**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 31 02:59:58 2011 Mar 31 03:04:40 uh oh Mar 31 03:04:52 these java errors look bad Mar 31 03:04:52 yes Mar 31 03:08:41 java errors always look bad Mar 31 03:09:05 it IS hava Mar 31 03:19:40 * maik downloads something delicious Mar 31 03:20:57 * Tibfib didn't know you can download ice cream Mar 31 03:21:39 yes..."ice cream", mmmmm Mar 31 03:35:12 goodnight everyone Mar 31 03:35:22 night Mar 31 03:40:36 yay! my pre 2 is here. Mar 31 03:40:42 grats Mar 31 03:42:39 yay Mar 31 03:47:49 were they just giving out vzw pre2s or did you guys get to choose? Mar 31 03:48:06 * dohtem wanted GSM Mar 31 03:48:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 got GSM Mar 31 03:49:59 wanna trade ;) Mar 31 03:51:06 na, I'm good :) Mar 31 03:51:19 neither do my any good though (sprint user) Mar 31 03:53:08 Contribute and bang the drum, when you have time: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=12327 Mar 31 04:00:48 has anybody checked out webOS 3.0 SDK? Mar 31 04:01:05 sandrstar: if they had, they would not be able to disclose that here Mar 31 04:01:21 since they would be under a strict NDA which does not allow that Mar 31 04:04:34 I meant this one https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/webos_3_0_developer_beta.html. Ok, wil try to get early acces to check it out by myself. Mar 31 04:11:19 is it possible to get catalog access on the vzw pre2? Mar 31 04:11:54 dev device Mar 31 04:12:10 yes Mar 31 04:12:13 meta-doctor :) Mar 31 04:13:25 hey mattsmcnulty Mar 31 04:13:30 hiya Mar 31 04:13:37 you guys were holding out on us! Mar 31 04:13:50 mattsmcnulty: congrats on the 3.0 beta release. Mar 31 04:14:03 * dohtem pats mattsmcnulty on the back Mar 31 04:14:04 who was holding out on you Mar 31 04:14:10 rwhitby: thanks Mar 31 04:14:59 sugardave: to what are you referring? Mar 31 04:16:10 mattsmcnulty: oh, nothing really :) there is a version between what I had and what is now Mar 31 04:16:31 0.7? Mar 31 04:16:35 yeah Mar 31 04:16:38 yeah Mar 31 04:16:48 0.9 is actually almost upon you Mar 31 04:16:52 woo! Mar 31 04:17:08 it was very close to making the cut but was a bit too green for the first release Mar 31 04:17:16 0.9 is a big one. new theme Mar 31 04:17:24 * halfhalo is confused... but thats normal Mar 31 04:18:42 this is the first real release of the SDK where I control the contents of the ROM as much as the SDK itself, and it is definitely interesting. easier in a lot of ways Mar 31 04:20:15 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=12331 << if anyone palm here wants to please fix this... :) Mar 31 04:20:20 nice, so far so good Mar 31 04:20:42 I'll let chuq know Mar 31 04:20:49 thanks Xuzz Mar 31 04:20:56 * Xuzz will undo that for now so nobody has to look at it Mar 31 04:21:11 so um... I just signed up on the palm devel site... any suggestions about where I could go to talk about the opensource packages page? Mar 31 04:21:14 every time they redo the dev portal things get a bit weird Mar 31 04:21:32 also looks like anyone can lock their own topic; but that may be normal Mar 31 04:21:36 what about the foss packages page Mar 31 04:22:28 * sugardave waits for the forum change that grants him admin access. Mar 31 04:22:30 on 2.1 the lines for e2fsprogs(-libs) and expat are a bit wonky Mar 31 04:22:31 new portal looks nice. this evening is the first I have seen it Mar 31 04:22:52 RagingMind: I haven't a clue what you are talking about, so I am probably not the best person Mar 31 04:23:06 hehe, noted Mar 31 04:25:01 best part of enyo: Mar 31 04:25:21 the little spinner thingies rotate smoothly Mar 31 04:26:22 ha Mar 31 04:26:42 we're a little OCD about that kind of thing Mar 31 04:27:30 mattsmcnulty: I'm gathering you're part of the enyo team? Mar 31 04:27:39 something like that Mar 31 04:27:44 hah Mar 31 04:28:15 well technically the leader of a group is "part" of it, right? Mar 31 04:28:33 indeed Mar 31 04:29:27 hmm... and the link to the source of glibmm is missing, or it's really already rolled in with glib? Mar 31 04:29:33 summatusmentis: me: http://www.precentral.net/hp-releases-tablet-compatible-sdk-enyo-early-access-developers Mar 31 04:29:37 this source page needs lovin Mar 31 04:29:49 I'll let Ibrahim, who handles that page, know Mar 31 04:30:18 mattsmcnulty: oooh, you're that person Mar 31 04:30:29 yes, that person indeed Mar 31 04:30:50 I also really like the panels on the TouchPad, very similar to 10gui.com or Twitter for iPad, but (as I've been wanting for a while) across the entire OS. Mar 31 04:30:53 ot: I took my first pilot's license lesson today Mar 31 04:30:57 mattsmcnulty, was that at me? if so cool, if not I'll continue poking around and send an email to the address listed on it Mar 31 04:31:13 mattsmcnulty: would you call it a palm pilot's license lesson? Mar 31 04:31:18 hah Mar 31 04:31:24 Xuzz: yes, twitter for ipad came out about 2 weeks after the first panels design I saw Mar 31 04:31:25 lol Mar 31 04:31:36 I should really figure out this enyo thing Mar 31 04:31:39 RagingMind: yes, send an email Mar 31 04:31:47 mattsmcnulty: cool, I'd love to get my pilot's license Mar 31 04:32:00 * RagingMind goes back to poking... Mar 31 04:32:06 my little bro wants his pilot's license Mar 31 04:32:13 Xuzz: and I told the design guys: um, did you guys see the twitter ipad app? Mar 31 04:32:34 sugardave: my goal is to get it by the end of summer Mar 31 04:32:45 mattsmcnulty OT: jealous of your flying. #stoppedaftergroundschool Mar 31 04:32:47 esp if I take some time off after we ship this #$!@# thing Mar 31 04:32:57 heh Mar 31 04:33:06 I hope you get it Mar 31 04:33:48 hah, random thought just ocurred to me Mar 31 04:34:05 * summatusmentis ponders if HP hires PhD student interns to do webos research Mar 31 04:34:13 hmm? Mar 31 04:34:28 I'll be a PhD student next year Mar 31 04:34:42 I was just idly thinking about research-type internships Mar 31 04:34:42 I should really get around to the grad school thing Mar 31 04:35:05 you know, instead of working on homework Mar 31 04:36:17 what are you getting your phd in? Mar 31 04:36:29 CS Mar 31 04:36:46 I'll be a first year student next year, so we're 6 years out yet :) Mar 31 04:36:47 where Mar 31 04:37:00 unsure as of yet, either UMN or GA Tech Mar 31 04:37:03 why not like come work for me and stop this school nonsense Mar 31 04:37:06 lol Mar 31 04:37:11 shipping products is waaaay more fun Mar 31 04:37:32 * halfhalo has 4 more years of CS.... good times... Mar 31 04:38:00 * Xuzz way behind you guys :p Mar 31 04:38:01 halfhalo - 4 more years? not 3.5? Mar 31 04:38:03 morning Mar 31 04:38:06 * halfhalo lucked out with a web related job though Mar 31 04:38:15 mattsmcnulty: there's no way you'd hire me, I don't have the webdev experience Mar 31 04:38:22 I started a web company while getting my CS degree Mar 31 04:38:33 also, I like the "freedom' academics get Mar 31 04:38:36 summatusmentis: don't be so sure. I love new college CS grads Mar 31 04:38:49 mattsmcnulty: with CA's current budget situ? Hell no Mar 31 04:39:06 freedom from understanding how to ship actual products doesn't help that much in a career, but I am biased Mar 31 04:39:18 true Mar 31 04:39:23 I happen to actually look less fondly on grad students than new college grads Mar 31 04:39:28 let's hope webdev isn't the sole measure of whether someone can get a job at HP dealing with webOS and such Mar 31 04:39:34 exactly Mar 31 04:39:45 send me a resume and let me rescue you from school Mar 31 04:39:46 I guess really what I mean is that I like autonomy, and I like being able to choose what I work on Mar 31 04:39:47 * halfhalo is moving up to the bay after school since notalota HTML5 stuff down here Mar 31 04:39:58 a good boss will give you some freedom in a job Mar 31 04:40:06 mattsmcnulty: that's my goal for this summer, but finding someone who might hire a high-school age intern is more difficult than I thought ;P Mar 31 04:40:07 that's true Mar 31 04:40:09 halfhalo - wanna intern? Mar 31 04:40:20 (shipping products, that is) Mar 31 04:40:26 * halfhalo does Mar 31 04:40:35 mattsmcnulty: maybe it's my own biases, I'm skeptical I'd end up with a good bos :) Mar 31 04:40:35 and you are in school for CS? Mar 31 04:40:36 "halfhalo - wanna work for free?" Mar 31 04:40:37 heh Mar 31 04:40:38 boss* Mar 31 04:40:39 * halfhalo will brb though, dog has cat6 Mar 31 04:40:51 if you come work for me I can guarantee it ;-) Mar 31 04:41:01 heh, Matt's got a hiring budget to use! Mar 31 04:41:07 haha Mar 31 04:41:09 I mean, I'll send you my resume if you want Mar 31 04:41:17 I've got a friggin ton of hiring budget Mar 31 04:41:22 hard to find good people Mar 31 04:41:36 I have 8 or 9 open headcount last I looked Mar 31 04:41:47 damn Mar 31 04:42:08 I've got 20 yrs of IT, but only a smattering of dev... Mar 31 04:42:08 wow Mar 31 04:42:27 they give me a lot of freedom to hire Mar 31 04:42:38 I am looking for support and docs people too, actually Mar 31 04:42:44 not just js framework Mar 31 04:43:26 wait, so, are you being serious? Mar 31 04:43:33 yes Mar 31 04:43:35 haha Mar 31 04:43:37 got an email? Mar 31 04:43:43 matthew.mcnulty@palm.com Mar 31 04:44:00 looks official Mar 31 04:44:11 I am much more likely to get a quality candidate out of here than I am with an ad online or recruiter Mar 31 04:44:14 it's gotta be tough to scale up that fast... 9 women can't make a baby in 1 month Mar 31 04:44:26 you have no idea Mar 31 04:44:39 lol Mar 31 04:44:42 that would be crazy if they could Mar 31 04:44:43 many people think they can just throw more resources at a problem Mar 31 04:44:52 mattsmcnulty: seriously, can I email you my resume? Mar 31 04:45:00 dohtem: yes Mar 31 04:45:02 absolutely Mar 31 04:45:06 and tell your talented friends Mar 31 04:45:15 eh, if i made webos my day job it wouldnt be as fun Mar 31 04:45:16 even if not a match for my squad, we have a ton of openings Mar 31 04:45:20 they are less talented than me. But I will Mar 31 04:45:22 :) Mar 31 04:45:22 oil: indeed Mar 31 04:45:23 and then, who would write preware/govnah/wirc/etc :) Mar 31 04:45:40 oil: had no idea you were behind preware Mar 31 04:45:47 * halfhalo is back Mar 31 04:45:51 most of the js Mar 31 04:45:53 my brother frankenpre'd his pre2 dev phone. I was pretty proud of him Mar 31 04:45:55 and yes, I am in CS Mar 31 04:46:00 for all the wi apps Mar 31 04:46:02 mattsmcnulty: I'll pass your email addy on to a friend also, if you're sure Mar 31 04:46:07 halfhalo: shoot me an email Mar 31 04:46:07 no, oil, you can't go to hp! we need you here! Mar 31 04:46:07 er, most Mar 31 04:46:09 absolutely Mar 31 04:46:13 lol Mar 31 04:46:32 mattsmcnulty: I will Mar 31 04:46:45 halfhalo: you ever come up to the bay area when you could do a quick interview? could do phone if we need to, but you are socal, right? Mar 31 04:46:58 yup Mar 31 04:47:06 mattsmcnulty: sent Mar 31 04:47:07 typing on a FrankenPre right now! Mar 31 04:47:27 halfhalo, if you start working for palm you better get me a touchpad :) Mar 31 04:47:44 in socal, just have to see when the semester ends for me before a trip up Mar 31 04:49:19 thanks jacob Mar 31 04:49:37 of course, thank you. Mar 31 04:49:53 * Xuzz is going to email mattsmcnulty just for fun :D Mar 31 04:50:01 Xuzz: feel free Mar 31 04:51:05 btw, Matt, you rocked that Enyo presentation. Mar 31 04:51:33 ACap: thank you very much. it was a ton of work and I really appreciate that Mar 31 04:51:43 the script was finalized about 15 min before I went on stage Mar 31 04:51:56 is it going to go up on the net? Mar 31 04:52:03 (a recording of it that is) Mar 31 04:52:34 http://pdnblog.palm.com/2011/02/video-matthew-mcnulty-presents-on-enyo-at-think-beyond/ Mar 31 04:52:39 ? Mar 31 04:52:41 I'm talking about an older one that is already up Mar 31 04:52:51 oh Mar 31 04:52:59 right Mar 31 04:53:25 well the nyc dev days and feb9th enyo talks seemed mostly the same Mar 31 04:53:38 * halfhalo wants another devdays in CA Mar 31 04:53:48 (but the nyc one was better obviously, being there in person :) Mar 31 04:53:58 oil: well it had some similar meat to it Mar 31 04:54:08 but dev day was all me, and sans marketing bs Mar 31 04:54:17 nice Mar 31 04:54:23 we'll do another dev day soon Mar 31 04:54:26 * ACap 's stuck in the frozen tundra of MN Mar 31 04:54:29 richard is working on that stuff Mar 31 04:54:33 like the "marketing said we absolutely can't call it that" Mar 31 04:54:34 it was 77 here today Mar 31 04:54:37 "so here i am announcing it as that" Mar 31 04:54:41 haha Mar 31 04:54:43 88F here tomorrow Mar 31 04:54:46 oil: yes. they wouldn't even let me tell that story again Mar 31 04:54:48 ACap, I left the tundra of MN... for MI ;) Mar 31 04:54:51 aww Mar 31 04:54:54 dev days detroit? :) Mar 31 04:55:08 they gotta go northwest! Mar 31 04:55:25 PR actually was at dev day NYC, so they knew the story and approved of it there Mar 31 04:55:26 detroit is only a 10 hour drive from nyc Mar 31 04:55:40 but the feb9 event was in another planet in terms of attention Mar 31 04:55:43 40 today, but 36 now Mar 31 04:55:45 adora's here Mar 31 04:55:47 whenever devdays is talked about its always "have it in (insert home town)!" Mar 31 04:55:58 lol Mar 31 04:55:59 lies Mar 31 04:56:11 oil, just for the record, Detroit is not my home town Mar 31 04:56:19 Lisa are you in london or CA Mar 31 04:56:25 yeah, it was a general statement :) Mar 31 04:56:27 CA Mar 31 04:56:31 cool Mar 31 04:56:43 damn straight Mar 31 04:56:44 hey adora, can wirc be submitted with the new dev portal? Mar 31 04:56:55 never got more then the "you're not allowed to submit hybrids" in the old one Mar 31 04:56:57 oil: NO Mar 31 04:56:58 dammit. Mar 31 04:56:59 ooh! Mar 31 04:57:07 dang Mar 31 04:57:11 aw Mar 31 04:57:12 and she's feisty tonight Mar 31 04:57:16 well we still gotta strip ssl out of it Mar 31 04:57:24 (so we're still not 100% ready) Mar 31 04:57:30 mattsmcnulty: had an extra glass of wine with dinner =] Mar 31 04:57:38 puffys been busy on freetether/other tools Mar 31 04:57:41 mmmm, wine. Mar 31 04:57:48 and ready for this dev portal relaunch to get done so we can get back to fixing submission issues like this hybrid app thing Mar 31 04:57:50 adora: what kind of wine? did one of my fav tasting trips ever this past weekend, russian river Mar 31 04:58:13 oh, just cheap-o stuff at the mexican restaurant next door Mar 31 04:58:19 came in a box? Mar 31 04:58:27 lol Mar 31 04:58:32 <-- total wine snob Mar 31 04:58:35 listed as "merlot/cabernet" Mar 31 04:58:41 screw top Mar 31 04:58:49 hey, some great wines are now screw top Mar 31 04:59:05 lol, I know Mar 31 04:59:05 * swisstomcat waves from london Mar 31 04:59:07 there are also some great wines that come in bladders with spigots Mar 31 04:59:08 though the cork industry is fighting back - they sponsor some NPR programs I hear lately, talking about sustainable Mar 31 04:59:11 as I understand it Mar 31 04:59:13 was $4.95 a glass, was just enough to get me to start on that "to reply later" email folder Mar 31 04:59:36 heh Mar 31 04:59:41 must be a huge folder Mar 31 04:59:44 mattsmcnulty: but the cork people have floors now! Need to quit their bitchin. Mar 31 04:59:46 mattsmcnulty: are you also hiring in europe? *wink* Mar 31 04:59:51 thats why i wait to ask questions on irc :) Mar 31 05:00:24 swisstomcat: depends on where. There's a bunch of engineers in finland, I hear, looking for work Mar 31 05:00:31 :D Mar 31 05:00:33 lol Mar 31 05:00:36 oil: twitter is actually an amazing way to do support. Forces people to get to the point. =] Mar 31 05:00:43 adora! Mar 31 05:00:56 swisstomcat: what up, kitty kitty? Mar 31 05:01:00 twitter is really public though, not everything needs to be public Mar 31 05:01:05 mattsmcnuty: i'm in switzerland .. right in the middle of europe :) Mar 31 05:01:11 but on twitter other people also go "shit be broke!" Mar 31 05:01:23 lol Mar 31 05:01:25 adora: i attended webosconnect but i'm up early because i can't sleep Mar 31 05:01:27 oil: that's what direct messages are for Mar 31 05:01:35 yeah, the peanut gallery where halfhalo resides Mar 31 05:01:41 seriously, best way to get in touch with me Mar 31 05:01:52 * oil will remember that Mar 31 05:01:56 direct messages is the new email Mar 31 05:02:10 adora: you never respond to my DMs ;) Mar 31 05:02:20 ohh burn Mar 31 05:02:22 90% of the DMs I get are questions I can't answer Mar 31 05:02:29 when is XX coming out Mar 31 05:02:38 mattsmcnulty, you're popular ;) Mar 31 05:02:47 not as popular as adora Mar 31 05:02:51 not even close Mar 31 05:02:58 I think it is the general lack of boobage Mar 31 05:03:01 cuter Mar 31 05:03:03 most likely Mar 31 05:03:08 yup Mar 31 05:03:08 mattsmcnulty: yeah, you're not an IMPORTANT WOMAN Mar 31 05:03:13 true Mar 31 05:03:14 * Adora laughs and laughs Mar 31 05:03:15 heh Mar 31 05:03:19 with magazine articles, etc Mar 31 05:03:30 that whole thing is nuts Mar 31 05:04:03 were the choices based on a poll? Mar 31 05:04:10 because you know webosers know how to win polls Mar 31 05:04:15 hehe Mar 31 05:04:15 lol Mar 31 05:04:18 oil: IKR?? Mar 31 05:04:25 especially on laptop mag Mar 31 05:04:30 I seriously think it played a part Mar 31 05:04:32 lol Mar 31 05:04:45 but they ran a post a few months ago asking for nominations Mar 31 05:04:54 that explains it, haha Mar 31 05:04:55 another blogger (jfingas?) nominated me Mar 31 05:05:21 * halfhalo has a friend writing for laptopmag now... tis weird Mar 31 05:06:35 mattsmcnulty: i'm hoping for a european dev event similar to what was done in barcelona in the future .. but also the webosconnect format works really well i think Mar 31 05:06:50 the barcelona one wasn't much Mar 31 05:07:03 nyc was crazy Mar 31 05:07:05 it was good and enough imho Mar 31 05:07:08 so, on topic: I'm more of a vb dev than a web dev. will Enyo be easier than Mojo for me? Mar 31 05:07:11 from my side it was a repeat of feb9, after a whole lot more lack of sleep Mar 31 05:07:15 I really really really want this ssd.... Mar 31 05:07:15 were you there? Mar 31 05:07:19 yeah Mar 31 05:07:22 oh cool Mar 31 05:07:26 the first devdays was amazing Mar 31 05:07:27 did I meet you? Mar 31 05:07:32 lol Mar 31 05:07:45 i'm not sure … i think i mostly chatted with gray Mar 31 05:07:45 I was almost delirious from lack of sleep at that point. Mar 31 05:07:49 cool Mar 31 05:08:03 gray didn't have to do squat for feb9 so he was more rested Mar 31 05:08:04 the lack of sleep was not apparent Mar 31 05:08:11 for me :) Mar 31 05:08:17 ha Mar 31 05:08:24 caffeine helped Mar 31 05:08:26 webosconnect is more about "from developer to developers" Mar 31 05:08:30 ACap: seems so Mar 31 05:08:33 though I had to get up at like 6am that day for rehearsals Mar 31 05:08:42 6:30 van from the hotel or something Mar 31 05:08:45 mwc was more "from hp to developers" Mar 31 05:08:50 so i think both is needed Mar 31 05:08:56 yikes Mar 31 05:09:13 at that rate I should buy shares in those 5 hour energy drinks Mar 31 05:09:41 mattsmcnulty: that's why you should have local people do those presentations :) Mar 31 05:10:04 true Mar 31 05:10:14 or that's why HP needs to fly me business class! Mar 31 05:10:22 hehe Mar 31 05:10:24 well, actually, I did fly business on the way there but it was my miles Mar 31 05:10:31 wait, hp lets you fly economy? Mar 31 05:10:53 swisstomcat: "lets" - heh :-) Mar 31 05:10:57 lol Mar 31 05:10:58 dell makes you fly on the wings Mar 31 05:11:02 heh Mar 31 05:11:05 hehe Mar 31 05:11:27 rwhitby: erm .. s/lets/makes .. brainfart Mar 31 05:11:28 swisstomcat: was there any Q&A opportunity at webosconnect? Mar 31 05:11:43 rwhitby: there was .. check my latest tweet storm i just posted Mar 31 05:13:19 * Hendikins ponders getting his parents to pick him up another Pre2 when they're in Hawaii next week. Mar 31 05:13:47 And activating it there, and ideally even picking up some sort of prepaid Visa card. Mar 31 05:14:56 speaking of pre2's, I need to go pick up a prepaid sim card Mar 31 05:16:21 hendikins: i got visa gift cards that worked well Mar 31 05:16:54 I also know somebody who wants my Pre+, which is a handy bit of (partial) cost recovery. Mar 31 05:17:15 just realized two weeks from friday is my 2-year anniversary of my first day at palm Mar 31 05:17:38 happy anniversary! Mar 31 05:17:41 lol Mar 31 05:17:56 wow, just 2 years to rock star status! Mar 31 05:18:06 hehe Mar 31 05:18:07 it's been so quiet and uneventful these last two years it flew by Mar 31 05:18:10 ;-) Mar 31 05:18:22 swisstomcat: Now if only HP would sell me the product without having to go fartarsing around like that :P Mar 31 05:18:46 hendikins: i hear you … i'm in switzerland and i get no devices nor paid apps Mar 31 05:19:15 ack. I thought I was dedicated Mar 31 05:19:20 REMOVE APP CATALOG GEO/CARRIER RESTRICTIONS Mar 31 05:19:24 NOW Mar 31 05:19:36 HULK ANGRY Mar 31 05:19:45 swisstomcat: I'm in Australia. No devices, no paid apps... although if I can get a device picked up and activated with an AT&T SIM in Hawaii, plus a gift card with a US card number... Mar 31 05:19:48 SWISSMASH? Mar 31 05:20:03 win Mar 31 05:20:10 HULK SMASH HP/PALM WITH MY BARE HANDS IF THEY DONT OBEY Mar 31 05:20:37 * oil goes to catalog and buys an app Mar 31 05:20:48 * halfhalo does as well Mar 31 05:20:48 lol Mar 31 05:20:59 HULK SMASH HALFHALO Mar 31 05:21:03 but... what if I already own them all? Mar 31 05:21:05 I'm all for spiting those that are international Mar 31 05:21:08 haha Mar 31 05:21:18 but I don't have the money to spend on apps all willy-nilly like Mar 31 05:21:18 swisstomcat: hey, you're taking my role. Mar 31 05:21:31 HULK SMASH SUMMATUSMENTIS Mar 31 05:21:33 * halfhalo uses super nodedefenseshield! Mar 31 05:21:42 HULK SMASH EVERY SHIELD Mar 31 05:21:49 yeah, rwhitby is the angry foreigner! Mar 31 05:21:55 lol Mar 31 05:21:58 mattsmcnulty: what do you have to say to your defense? Mar 31 05:22:07 the power of javascript will save me! Mar 31 05:22:11 " Mar 31 05:22:14 swisstomcat: On the upside, at least your GPS works properly :P Mar 31 05:22:23 HULK SMASH JAVA AND JAVASCRIPT IN ONE BLOW Mar 31 05:22:42 paid apps only go to countries that pick a side Mar 31 05:22:56 *Matt whistles nonchalantly* Mar 31 05:22:58 so are we on the wrong side then? Mar 31 05:23:01 yes Mar 31 05:23:11 HULK SAD Mar 31 05:23:19 mattsmcnulty: so the ANZUS treaty means nothing to the app catalog folks? Mar 31 05:23:44 Or the free trade agreement, for that matter. Mar 31 05:23:44 it does, but really they just hate swisstomcat and maintain this policy to mess with him Mar 31 05:23:59 ah, good, so Australia will get apps soon then. Mar 31 05:24:01 HULK CRY Mar 31 05:24:14 maybe i should just move to the US then Mar 31 05:24:16 I was in sydney a year ago. what a great town Mar 31 05:24:22 if you do, come work for me Mar 31 05:24:47 let me catch the next flight :) Mar 31 05:26:38 rwhitby: our plan worked to get paid apps for austrialia .. switzerland is too tiny anyway to care Mar 31 05:26:47 hmm.... 90MB left on the main HD of this mac... Mar 31 05:26:53 I don't think he's kidding Mar 31 05:27:12 swisstomcat: trouble is they confused australia with austria Mar 31 05:27:18 halfhalo: holy crap Mar 31 05:27:20 shoot Mar 31 05:27:30 Serious question for a moment though, presumably I'll need (yet another) new profile if I get/activate a Pre2 on US soil and want to use paid apps here (as in having a phone that is capable of it won't magically make them available to my old profiles)? Mar 31 05:27:31 and I thought 18GB was 'not enough space' Mar 31 05:27:51 its an 80GB intel ssd Mar 31 05:28:06 i've got 160GB hdd Mar 31 05:28:25 hendikins: it seems like :( Mar 31 05:29:26 That actually doesn't worry me all that much. The profile I use on my existing Pre2 doesn't have anything much attached to it (contacts are on SIM, everything else is recoverable or reinstallable) Mar 31 05:29:40 beh, I only need 6GB free for system updates Mar 31 05:30:10 So I can just move my railway profile to that, ditch the Plus, and put a clean profile on the new Pre2. Mar 31 05:30:15 rwhitby: ever see the simpsons where they go to australia? and the airport or something has "welcome to austria" with a ^ and al on it Mar 31 05:30:20 I live with 64GB in my laptop Mar 31 05:30:27 hendikins: yeah, same here .. all data is in the cloud Mar 31 05:30:32 mattsmcnulty: yep Mar 31 05:30:59 it scares me to put my data in the cloud Mar 31 05:31:05 maybe it's the systems person in me Mar 31 05:31:28 my favorite part of the episode was the machine that makes the toilet water spiral the right way down the drain Mar 31 05:31:37 i love it when companies talk about the cloud like its magical Mar 31 05:31:42 and not a room full of servers Mar 31 05:31:48 first time I went to the southern hemi, NZ like 5 years ago, first thing I did was run to a toilet to see Mar 31 05:32:00 lol Mar 31 05:32:07 hah Mar 31 05:33:32 Hendikins: you can use a new app-catalog capable phone with your old profile Mar 31 05:33:36 my two new routers need to be here now Mar 31 05:34:34 because routers are cheaper than gigabit switches... which is weird Mar 31 05:35:11 rwhitby: Hrm. Either way, it isn't much of a difference to me - my Palm Profile contains pretty much bugger all. Mar 31 05:36:30 bbl .. need to fly back to zurich Mar 31 05:36:33 sooo.... how bout them dodgers? Mar 31 05:36:38 safe trip Mar 31 05:36:48 thx Mar 31 05:36:50 yeah Mar 31 05:36:52 *waves* Mar 31 05:37:58 go giants Mar 31 05:43:07 ok, I am off to bed. night gents Mar 31 06:05:46 your cuteness overload for the day - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnENw9O5EKs Mar 31 06:11:37 ... Mar 31 06:39:35 Well, now I just need to find somewhere in Hawaii that sells GSM Pre 2s. Mar 31 06:45:40 Somebody explain to me why I am still up... I have three bugs in my queue that need to be dealt with this week... Mar 31 06:49:52 maybe more... Mar 31 06:57:41 dkirker: psh, what you talking about? Mar 31 06:57:50 haha Mar 31 06:57:53 this is when me and lemketron catch our 2nd wind Mar 31 06:58:00 true, true Mar 31 06:58:20 at this point I am usually bugging him to go home :) Mar 31 07:00:03 I napped earlier... I am almost awake right now... Mar 31 07:16:44 Alright Adora, good night. Mar 31 07:16:53 maybe they'll have a cube for me in the morning :/ Mar 31 07:17:26 dkirker how is it going? Mar 31 07:18:07 hi hotdp! Mar 31 07:18:09 Not bad Mar 31 07:18:14 just busy, very busy Mar 31 07:18:25 wait, dkirker you made Universe? Mar 31 07:18:26 i see Mar 31 07:18:32 busy on the good way? Mar 31 07:18:37 Xuzz: yes! Mar 31 07:18:43 og on the "to stressfull way" Mar 31 07:18:43 hotdp: of course :) Mar 31 07:18:47 good :) Mar 31 07:18:51 nah, not stressful :) Mar 31 07:18:54 * Xuzz thought that name sounded familiar, used to wait on my Tapwave Zodiac for updates to it :p Mar 31 07:18:56 Have a good night Mar 31 07:19:01 (it => Universe) Mar 31 07:19:23 Xuzz: nice! Mar 31 07:19:32 I wish that I had more resources then. Mar 31 07:20:48 dkirker: I believe Universe was one of the few browsers that supported "open file from SD", so since I had no mobile internet then I learned HTML using it (when mobile) :D. Mar 31 07:20:59 nice! Mar 31 07:21:35 anyway, i keep seeing all these names from Palm OS here Mar 31 07:21:47 hotdp: I'm in the process of trying to squeeze in the last features for Universe beta in and around work. They both keep me busy. :) Mar 31 07:21:58 ahh i see :) Mar 31 07:22:01 oh, it still exists? :O Mar 31 07:22:06 yer for webos Mar 31 07:22:11 its beta Mar 31 07:22:13 * Xuzz must try it on Pre 2 when it's out. Mar 31 07:22:48 It's coming along nicely :) Mar 31 07:22:59 just implemented one form of exhibition mode Mar 31 07:23:43 dkirker: is universe all mojo or do you have a modified version of webkit or something as well? Mar 31 07:23:50 all mojo Mar 31 07:24:14 dkirker: very cool looking Mar 31 07:24:19 thanks Mar 31 07:25:32 dkirker: one of these days we've got to do some webkit customizations to add some of the more advanced features... I'm not actually sure if the version in opensource.palm.com will actually compile cleanly though. Mar 31 07:25:52 it didn't used to a year and a half ago when I tried at least Mar 31 07:26:27 hmm Mar 31 07:27:09 * dkirker can't speak for that Mar 31 07:27:57 yeah I dunno, just random daydreaming. speaking of which, I suppose I should actually go to bed rather than passing out at a keyboard :) Mar 31 07:27:59 night all Mar 31 07:28:07 me too Mar 31 07:28:49 oh, I think I'm gonna like the new Reference Mar 31 07:30:13 uhm, except for that sidemenu Mar 31 07:30:28 somebody thought it would be a great idea to make it... all wierd Mar 31 07:32:19 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/treo/retired/unlocked/home/page_en.html Mar 31 07:32:33 lol, I think the global s/Palm/HP/ messed that page up a bit Mar 31 07:32:46 heh Mar 31 07:32:48 definitely Mar 31 07:35:44 hm Mar 31 07:35:55 I installed the SDK on Ubuntu 32bit Mar 31 07:36:07 because the inspector wasn't working on 64bit Mar 31 07:36:23 now it isn't event working there... Mar 31 08:30:39 how do I make the handleCommand method re-throw the event? Mar 31 08:36:54 why would you? Mar 31 08:37:29 because I want to catch the "do-about" command in my StageAssistant Mar 31 08:37:39 Don't know if that makes much sense but that was the idea :-) Mar 31 08:40:29 i can not follow you sorry Mar 31 08:56:02 http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_clarke/5575667996/in/set-72157626388298150/ Mar 31 08:59:21 oh no Mar 31 08:59:51 somehow setting up a Widget rips apart its CSS style Mar 31 09:01:14 and the inspector doesn't work on any of my systems Mar 31 09:01:17 so I have no idea why Mar 31 10:16:41 grml, something happens to the DOM when I put a list inside a Drawer Mar 31 10:19:00 the stuff from listTemplate appears above the stuff of itemTemplate Mar 31 10:30:44 do elements with the x-mojo-element attribute have to be divs? Mar 31 10:31:05 what do you wonna use instead? p? Mar 31 10:31:09 I am desperately trying to use the element for a list of values Mar 31 10:33:30 the values appear on the screen Mar 31 10:33:37 but the markup seems to change Mar 31 10:33:42 as my CSS isn't applied anymore Mar 31 11:02:48 afternoon Mar 31 11:02:53 hey Mar 31 11:03:12 hi Mar 31 11:07:05 is there an alternative to palm-inspector that enables me to... well inspect the DOM? Mar 31 11:07:58 emulator host-mode Mar 31 11:08:14 where you can inspect app with firebug or similar Mar 31 11:08:20 oh, how do I do that? Mar 31 11:09:22 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744 Mar 31 11:09:26 farther down Mar 31 11:14:11 ha Mar 31 11:14:12 awesome Mar 31 11:14:20 that's so crazy Mar 31 11:18:09 dang Mar 31 11:18:23 the part I'm interested in doesn'T work in that mode Mar 31 11:18:27 the numbers don't appear Mar 31 11:49:18 something is very fishy with the CSS selectors Mar 31 11:50:13 well Mar 31 11:50:21 with the way they're interpreted Mar 31 12:06:12 typing "git --reset hard HEAD" in the same terminal window as "make reinstall" is bad Mar 31 12:15:45 god, who wrote weboshelp.net Mar 31 12:30:13 phoque: why table? Mar 31 12:30:23 would css flex box work ? Mar 31 12:31:04 I don't know Mar 31 12:31:19 It's table data Mar 31 12:31:22 :-D Mar 31 12:32:30 try this: http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/ Mar 31 12:36:35 * haeffb going mobile. later folks. Mar 31 12:54:55 welcome back haeffb Mar 31 12:57:56 haeffb_pre: you have a frankenpre right? Mar 31 12:58:09 he has Mar 31 12:58:13 i have one also Mar 31 12:58:49 yes Mar 31 13:00:16 * cwayne is afraid hes gonna break something Mar 31 13:01:41 are you in process? Mar 31 13:01:55 or afraid to start? Mar 31 13:02:31 just got to work, havent started yet Mar 31 13:21:49 I would buy a non functional pre from ebay for practice... Mar 31 13:22:07 disassembly and reassembly Mar 31 13:25:26 oops, started Mar 31 13:26:33 you'll be fine. just be careful of cables Mar 31 13:28:22 anyone worked with CACHE MANIFEST ? Mar 31 13:29:47 haeffb_pre: how do you get sprint to activate it? with the imea number instead of an esn number? Mar 31 13:30:16 you should activate before swapping Mar 31 13:30:34 s/should/must Mar 31 13:30:48 fuuuuuuuuuuck Mar 31 13:31:04 can't just use the esn number from the old one? Mar 31 13:31:40 god damnit Mar 31 13:31:45 no, there is no sprint provisions binary for 2.x Mar 31 13:31:45 i missed that one friggen line Mar 31 13:31:51 i hate my life Mar 31 13:33:35 just put it back toghether....? Mar 31 13:33:58 haeffb_pre: yep, doin that now Mar 31 13:39:11 goddamn that second keyboard tab is a bitch Mar 31 13:40:15 the two in the sides? Mar 31 13:40:29 hotdp: ya Mar 31 13:40:45 got one in, the others bein a bitch Mar 31 13:40:48 no they are both easy Mar 31 13:40:50 after 5 changes you get tthe hang of it Mar 31 13:40:56 flex it Mar 31 13:41:05 yer but be gentle Mar 31 13:44:44 i can get one in but not the other :( Mar 31 13:44:59 you want to be bending the upper third of the bezel arm into a curved shape, which causes the end to be sliding down toward the bottom of the phone at the same time slight pressure into the phone Mar 31 13:45:22 if that makes any sense Mar 31 13:46:39 hard to describe Mar 31 13:47:51 its easy to do one, but then the other ones harder.. Mar 31 13:48:24 both same Mar 31 13:49:26 don't be afraid to flex it... Mar 31 13:49:36 oh fuck the keyboard fell off Mar 31 13:49:37 just be gentle Mar 31 13:50:10 oops. Mar 31 13:50:45 lol Mar 31 13:50:46 * hotdp looks a haeffb's face after making cwayne breake he's phone Mar 31 13:51:26 hmmm, weird Mar 31 13:51:56 the emptyTemplate is being rendered only if I add something to the list and delete it again Mar 31 13:52:00 * haeffb_pre meant flex the bezel, not the phone Mar 31 13:52:06 not if my app launches without anything in the list Mar 31 13:52:13 weird Mar 31 13:52:25 haeffb_pre: just the bezel part of the keyboards off Mar 31 13:52:43 oh, ok Mar 31 13:54:00 put it back on? Mar 31 13:54:28 trying, cant get it to close though so i feel like its off somewhat Mar 31 13:54:29 lol Mar 31 13:55:48 ya that's not right Mar 31 13:55:51 whew got it Mar 31 13:56:00 yay! Mar 31 13:56:31 back to these fucking tabs Mar 31 13:57:17 oh fuck my life. Mar 31 13:58:13 well fuck. Mar 31 13:58:14 ? Mar 31 13:58:15 fuck fuck fuck. Mar 31 13:58:27 antenna wire popped off the comm board Mar 31 13:59:10 it pops back on Mar 31 13:59:42 its kinda difficult to get to though Mar 31 14:00:01 you may have to lift the little metal tab covering the connectors Mar 31 14:00:13 its bendy Mar 31 14:03:12 there we go Mar 31 14:04:01 beware with the volume ribbon cable! :D Mar 31 14:04:49 is there some standard (free, I can't pay for apps in my region) app to record voice in 1.4.5? Mar 31 14:05:05 with standard I mean "Is there some app that everybody uses because it works" Mar 31 14:06:19 ya, break that & you throw the phone away Mar 31 14:06:47 well right now im still trying to put together the stupid pre- to activate it Mar 31 14:06:51 madnificent: no Mar 31 14:06:54 * cwayne is bad at reading directions Mar 31 14:07:24 haeffb_pre: ;_; Mar 31 14:07:49 z-order is the only one I know Mar 31 14:07:58 z-corder Mar 31 14:08:08 fir 1.7 Mar 31 14:08:21 haeffb_pre: yeah, I've used that, but it seems to record audio at a ver very low sound level Mar 31 14:08:35 cwayne: /me pets his pre- saying "You're not stupid, don't listen to them" Mar 31 14:08:54 madnificent: haha dawww Mar 31 14:09:07 1.7 has no mic api Mar 31 14:09:19 derp, i meta-doctored the pre- too. i prolly have to regular doctor it to activate it on sprint eh? Mar 31 14:09:21 bbl Mar 31 14:09:24 1.7 Mar 31 14:09:25 haeffb_pre: ^ Mar 31 14:09:33 haeffb_pre: I know that that's the issue, I hoped there'd be some alternative :) Mar 31 14:09:41 1.x Mar 31 14:09:41 and 1.7 ? Mar 31 14:10:33 with a sprint base? Mar 31 14:11:25 as long as you have the sprint provisioner... Mar 31 14:14:20 cwayne: careful with the volume ribbon... don't break it Mar 31 14:14:53 it tends to get in the middle of the plastic... Mar 31 14:14:58 I broke mine that way Mar 31 14:16:59 haeffb_pre: can i check and see if i have the sprint provisioner? Mar 31 14:17:06 i meta-doc'ed it as a sprint guy.. Mar 31 14:18:28 just try it & see Mar 31 14:18:53 madnificent, there was in preware Mar 31 14:19:09 but I'm not sure it's still worked on or available in the feeds anymore Mar 31 14:20:20 madnificent, if you have preware look for zcorder Mar 31 14:21:06 RagingMind: yup, that's the one that seems to record on a really really low volume Mar 31 14:21:29 oh um... I never had that issue with it Mar 31 14:31:00 shit Mar 31 14:39:51 bbl Mar 31 14:40:08 cwayne: wassup? Mar 31 14:40:46 haeffb_pre: i hate sprint Mar 31 14:40:47 lol Mar 31 14:41:36 * NuttyBunny hates Telcel, at least you have the possibility to have your Profile in 2.1 with Sprint/Verizon :P Mar 31 14:41:40 me too. if they carried Pre2 all this sh*t wouldn't be necessary Mar 31 14:43:02 do we know a good reason why they didn't carry the Pre2? Mar 31 14:44:06 no. probably they lost $ with pre Mar 31 14:45:16 interesting Mar 31 14:45:21 I hope it doesn't affect the Pre3 Mar 31 14:45:31 perhaps they found the pre to have a too high recall rate Mar 31 14:45:57 then they didn't get the pre+ from the start iirc (don't live there), so they may have been pissed at palm Mar 31 14:46:04 haeffb_pre: \o/ ok. pre- activated on sprint Mar 31 14:46:06 time to start over Mar 31 14:47:02 summatusmentis: cus they're douchebags. that's my reasoning Mar 31 14:47:03 lol Mar 31 14:52:27 I mean, they're a cell company Mar 31 14:53:05 god i hate these fucking keyboard tabs Mar 31 14:54:31 so, is everyone done converting their apps to TouchPad size by now? Mar 31 14:55:04 sugardave: lol Mar 31 14:56:30 Mine works fine :) Mar 31 14:56:49 in fact, looks a lot better because people won't have to scroll Mar 31 14:58:16 nice Mar 31 15:00:28 how do you get the stupid volume thing back on Mar 31 15:01:38 oh mine had broken Mar 31 15:01:39 oops Mar 31 15:01:40 lol Mar 31 15:08:15 ok, what did I say? "beware of the volume ribbon"... Mar 31 15:08:56 and as Queen should say... "another one bites the dust" :P Mar 31 15:10:39 NuttyBunny: nah its ok, i got it :) Mar 31 15:10:53 NuttyBunny: but now i cant go into backups and delete my palm profile to doctor it Mar 31 15:10:54 wtf Mar 31 15:11:18 no? weird what does it do? Mar 31 15:11:33 says theres no internet connection, but its on wifi Mar 31 15:12:47 mmm... does the browser work? Mar 31 15:12:55 do you have some kind of proxy? Mar 31 15:13:58 didnt think so, but maybe Mar 31 15:14:01 ya the browsers fine Mar 31 15:14:16 don't certain profile things default to only 3g connection? Mar 31 15:14:42 mmm... maybe, I haven't tried to delete the profile backup with no 3g connection :S Mar 31 15:15:06 gotta go.. bbl Mar 31 15:15:09 NuttyBunny: should that even matter? i just need to webosdoctor this Mar 31 15:15:11 derp ok Mar 31 15:15:39 are you trying to delete the backups? Mar 31 15:15:40 cwayne: you could just doctor it... are you going from 1.4.5 to 2.x or backwards? Mar 31 15:15:57 NuttyBunny: im going from gsm to Sprint :p Mar 31 15:16:05 so 2.0.1 to 2.1 i guess Mar 31 15:16:25 ah, it shouldn't matter, your profile should be fine across 2.x versions Mar 31 15:16:31 cwayne, you shouldn't have to delete backups Mar 31 15:16:38 RagingMind: woooooo Mar 31 15:17:05 but you might wanna check the wiki to see if sprint likes 2.1 Mar 31 15:17:15 so is all i do run that one franken-pre script? Mar 31 15:17:41 yep, but check the wiki, as RM says :) Mar 31 15:27:39 RagingMind: do you have to put the phone into dev mode to doctor it? Mar 31 15:28:04 on linux, yes... or recovery mode Mar 31 15:28:31 RagingMind: is that the volume up button thing Mar 31 15:28:41 yup Mar 31 15:29:08 RagingMind: thanks, one last question (i swear) Mar 31 15:29:24 is it the same as pre1 to get into dev mode? (upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart) Mar 31 15:29:59 on pre2? no open phone and dial ##devmode# or #*devmode# Mar 31 15:32:23 god youd think the pre2 would start up faster Mar 31 15:32:37 awww, I like the old way Mar 31 15:34:06 cwayne: got it back together? Mar 31 15:35:18 haeffb_pre: sure did Mar 31 15:35:32 and sugardave the old way was SO much better. Mar 31 15:35:58 awesome Mar 31 15:37:58 only a few snags along the way :) Mar 31 15:37:59 lol Mar 31 15:39:54 raoult! Mar 31 15:40:38 uhh what the hell Mar 31 15:40:52 meta doctor not seein my phone, wehn i boot to recovery mode it just gets stuck on that usb logo Mar 31 15:45:16 do you have 2.x novacom? Mar 31 15:47:21 doh theres a new novacom? Mar 31 15:47:52 yes & required for 2.x device I think Mar 31 15:48:36 well fuck Mar 31 15:48:46 but that wouldnt make it not boot into recovery mode would it? Mar 31 15:48:57 what novacom do you have now? Mar 31 15:49:00 2.x SDK is available Mar 31 15:49:09 should be 1.0.64 Mar 31 15:50:48 oh boy, emptyTemplates only work when using itemsCallback Mar 31 15:51:15 is it recommended to always use itemsCallback, even if they're just a couple (max 10)? Mar 31 15:51:31 1.0.55 Mar 31 15:51:40 i tried to download it from the stie but the link goes nowhere Mar 31 15:51:44 cwayne, yup... you need an update Mar 31 15:52:00 maybe there are issues with migrating to the new ph portal? *shrugS* Mar 31 15:52:09 someone else had that issue last night and they could update Mar 31 15:53:23 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#linux Mar 31 15:53:30 the novacom links arent even links Mar 31 15:53:32 lol Mar 31 15:54:21 Mar 31 15:54:25 I guess that's Mar 31 15:54:49 phoque: ah, just an issue in their expansion library, I guess Mar 31 15:55:35 https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/2.1.0.519/sdkBinaries/palm-sdk_2.1.0-svn409992-pho519_i386.deb Mar 31 15:55:38 cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdk/downloads/210519/sdk/binaries/palm-novacom_1064_i386?deb="" Mar 31 15:55:48 haa found it Mar 31 15:55:51 doh Mar 31 15:55:55 https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/2.1.0.519/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.64_amd64.deb Mar 31 15:56:02 prolly shoulda checked here again first Mar 31 15:56:02 loil Mar 31 15:56:12 phoque: I didn't see the number parsing :) Mar 31 15:56:16 from my downloads history Mar 31 15:56:22 :-D Mar 31 15:56:29 phoque: cetr! Mar 31 15:57:11 wtf still no dice Mar 31 15:57:20 doesn't work? Mar 31 15:57:24 do i need the whole sdk or just novacom Mar 31 15:57:27 both Mar 31 15:57:35 novacom communicates to your device Mar 31 15:57:41 sdk is the emulator, packager etc. Mar 31 15:57:47 right Mar 31 15:57:52 im just trying to doctor it Mar 31 15:57:59 so i figured id only need novacom.. Mar 31 15:58:07 don't know Mar 31 15:58:09 never did that Mar 31 15:58:10 :-D Mar 31 15:59:11 also cant figure out why its not booting in recovery mode Mar 31 16:01:07 how are you booting in recovery mode? Mar 31 16:01:57 up volume key + power Mar 31 16:01:58 try: Unplug usb cable, remove battery, press and keep pressed button up, plug usb cable (you should see a big battery icon with a ? on it), keep the vol up button pressed and plug battery, you should see the big usb icon Mar 31 16:02:14 i got to the big usb, it hung there Mar 31 16:02:21 ah, that's recovery mode Mar 31 16:02:33 yeah but it froze there Mar 31 16:02:42 there we go Mar 31 16:02:50 unplugged took out battery waited a sec then tried again Mar 31 16:02:57 yep, in recovery mode you either connect with novacom to send commands to it, or doctor it Mar 31 16:03:03 gahh now i have to wait for my battery to charge Mar 31 16:03:21 ah, yes, bad idea to doctor with low battery ;) Mar 31 16:03:39 cwayne: I remember that when I just received my pre- ... my god what a horrible wait Mar 31 16:03:53 cwayne: and I didn't know that that was normal, so I thought I bought a bricked device or something Mar 31 16:04:00 madnificent: i know right?! lol Mar 31 16:04:06 well maybe i should start doing work Mar 31 16:04:10 since im at work and all... Mar 31 16:04:18 luckly I have an attention span of a fish, so while I was doing stuff and time passed, I suddenly noticed the screen changed :) Mar 31 16:04:46 my AT&T Pre didn't boot when I first turned it on :S I had to doctor it.... how a normal user would figure that out??? Mar 31 16:04:46 cwayne: you have 2 batteries... Mar 31 16:04:59 haeffb_pre: yeah, both low Mar 31 16:05:01 lol Mar 31 16:06:35 I really want a wall battery charger :D Mar 31 16:07:39 that'd be nice Mar 31 16:08:02 get a broken pre on ebay Mar 31 16:08:29 I'm using my old centro Mar 31 16:08:49 how do I get the widget object outside of any event handler? Mar 31 16:09:12 this.controller.get('id').mojo.setLength(0); won't work Mar 31 16:09:33 this.controller.get("myWidget").mojo. Mar 31 16:10:25 it says undefined Mar 31 16:11:55 NuttyBunny, I want the high capacity battery that's the same size so I can still use my TS :) Mar 31 16:12:08 and a wall charger... Mar 31 16:12:10 mugen 1400? Mar 31 16:12:52 RagingMind: You could always transplant the TS coil to the new cover ;) Mar 31 16:13:00 ew Mar 31 16:13:20 I don't want my phone to be any bigger Mar 31 16:13:24 I use one of these: http://store.precentral.net/palm-spare-battery-charger/5A83A5660.htm Mar 31 16:13:26 cwayne: did you make the franken? Mar 31 16:13:29 the new devices don't have user-replaceable batteries right? Mar 31 16:13:30 though, can't seem to really find them anymore Mar 31 16:14:41 hotdp: sure did Mar 31 16:14:54 nothing broke? Mar 31 16:14:56 dkirker, http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Extended-Life-Battery/dp/B002ECWU8M/ Mar 31 16:15:20 I've heard bad things about the Seidio Mar 31 16:15:29 awww :( Mar 31 16:15:45 i.e. you pay for a 1400/1440 mAh battery and get a 13** mAh battery Mar 31 16:16:16 so the 1350 would be like 1200? Mar 31 16:16:23 yeah, that's what I meant Mar 31 16:16:29 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/258937-attention-dont-buy-seidio-innocell-1350-a.html Mar 31 16:16:46 so, is "this" in the right scope? Mar 31 16:17:03 haeffb, do you mean me? :-d Mar 31 16:17:05 :D Mar 31 16:17:15 anyway, time for work. I'm running late. Later everyone! Mar 31 16:17:23 yes Mar 31 16:17:28 I guess it is Mar 31 16:17:39 it's in the setup() function of my assistant Mar 31 16:17:59 ah. Mar 31 16:18:07 maybe the widget isn't setup yet. Mar 31 16:18:14 hm Mar 31 16:18:21 I did set it up in the line above Mar 31 16:18:23 it's asynchronous Mar 31 16:18:34 but I'm guessing there's something happening after setup() was run Mar 31 16:19:23 hm Mar 31 16:19:29 it's been awhile since I've messed with setupWidget() and stuff...but the widget may not be available yet. Mar 31 16:19:32 can you do it in activate? Mar 31 16:19:39 all I'm trying to do is give the List a setLength(0) when the model is empty Mar 31 16:19:47 I read somewhere that this forces the emptyTemplate to be displayed Mar 31 16:19:57 I've found if you setup in setup and set properties in activate you are generally pretty safe. Mar 31 16:20:14 yep, or aboutToActivate() Mar 31 16:20:28 wow Mar 31 16:20:31 it works Mar 31 16:20:34 thanks dkirker Mar 31 16:20:36 http://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Power-Extended-Battery-1400mAh/dp/B003ZWX0XY/ Mar 31 16:20:51 thanks haeffb Mar 31 16:22:20 no problem! Mar 31 16:22:41 later everyone! Mar 31 16:22:45 i never got why there is setup() and activate() Mar 31 16:22:46 :-) Mar 31 16:23:13 setup runs once Mar 31 16:23:15 setup() happens once per scene Mar 31 16:23:24 activate runs every time the scene is activated Mar 31 16:23:28 activate() happens every time the scene is... Mar 31 16:23:36 haha Mar 31 16:23:41 * haeffb pretends he can't see sugardave Mar 31 16:24:13 if you push another scene, then pop it, the underlying scene's activate is called Mar 31 16:27:55 I see Mar 31 16:29:29 has anybody ever tried making the palm-header not stick to the top? :-) Mar 31 16:29:50 I am writing an app with a similar sidescroll behavior than the one in the calendar Mar 31 16:30:04 and I want the palm-header to stick to the top Mar 31 16:30:12 but move when I scoll horizontally Mar 31 16:30:49 you could look in the css definitions and create your own Mar 31 16:30:59 yeah Mar 31 16:31:13 up until a few hours ago I couldn't even look at the HTML and CSS properly Mar 31 16:31:45 have you looked at the style matters app? Mar 31 16:31:53 yes Mar 31 16:32:30 I mean into the DOM and CSS of my app, actually running Mar 31 16:33:08 ah, right.. :) Mar 31 16:33:46 hi chuqui, how did you sleep? the thing didn't burn up :) Mar 31 16:35:55 hola! Mar 31 16:36:03 slept well, once the adrenalin drained. Mar 31 16:36:20 Launch days are that fine line between being high on adrenalin and peeing your pants. Mar 31 16:37:07 I think things went okay yesterday. still some glitches to fix, and we ran into a couple of multi-hour gremlins, but overall, things went well. Mar 31 16:37:33 and in retrospect, I'm not surprised we hit the places where the delays bit us. and they're fixable moving forward. Mar 31 16:37:55 Yeah, at least you managed to release everything in one day! Mar 31 16:38:01 yeah Mar 31 16:38:09 NuttyBunny, just as I expected. position: fixed; Mar 31 16:38:10 so I rate the launch about a B. Mar 31 16:38:22 CSS doesn't have position: fixed-x; :-( Mar 31 16:38:23 not perfect, but it moves us forward in important ways, both visible and infrastructure. Mar 31 16:39:18 phoque: you can create a css for your scene and update the original there Mar 31 16:39:26 NuttyBunny, yeah, I know Mar 31 16:39:44 but I can't say "be fixed vertically and static horizontally" Mar 31 16:40:41 mmm... stick it into a nasty table and remove the position property ;) Mar 31 16:40:56 or just fix it at the top of the page Mar 31 16:46:11 *sigh*... this "one dependant library per day" speed is killing my release schedule ;) ... stupid Mozilla Mar 31 16:46:33 good job chuqui Mar 31 16:47:06 phoque: do you know about CSS flex-boxes? Mar 31 16:47:17 sugardave, yes Mar 31 16:47:27 do they do that? Mar 31 16:47:30 okay, it can't do your fixed-x thing? Mar 31 16:47:38 I don't know :-D Mar 31 16:47:44 sugardave: thanks! Mar 31 16:49:57 sugardave, I don't think it will help Mar 31 16:50:11 phoque: yeah, I see what you need now Mar 31 16:51:12 I'll probably replace the header with one of those with buttons on each side Mar 31 16:51:36 and replace the content of the pill Mar 31 17:24:43 [ann] nodeJS training during NodeConf 2011!!! http://training.bocoup.com/Pre-NodeConf2011/ Mar 31 17:25:22 morning folks Mar 31 17:25:30 hey LoneStar99 Mar 31 17:25:33 long tim eno see Mar 31 17:25:34 NodeConf has an awesome speaker line up btw... Mar 31 17:26:31 anyone ever use the --use-v1-format option with the 2.1 sdk to package with a different minimum version>??? Mar 31 17:27:17 projectalarum: yup, yesterday someone did just that, I think Mar 31 17:28:31 projectalarum: donc did that, and heaffb and SineOtter seemed to know about it as well Mar 31 17:28:36 i was asking about it yesterday.... no luck with it though.... i just get 'unknown option' Mar 31 17:28:51 ah, perhaps that was you Mar 31 17:32:10 hospital wifi went down, now connected thru freeTether to the frankenPre2 :) Mar 31 17:32:38 hospital.... you work in a hospital or just visiting....? Mar 31 17:33:07 I thought it was still common for hospitals to disallow cell phones Mar 31 17:33:29 haeffb: ever used the --use-v1-format option to package an app with the 2.1 sdk to set a different min version??? Mar 31 17:33:33 wooooooooo frankenpre Mar 31 17:33:36 visiting. father-in-law had a stroke a couple of weeks ago & goes home today Mar 31 17:33:44 projectalarum: I have. It should work Mar 31 17:33:45 projectalarum: yes, I just did Mar 31 17:33:50 damn dude, best of luck to ya Mar 31 17:33:58 he's much better, thanks Mar 31 17:34:03 i cant get it to work.... i just get an unknown option.... Mar 31 17:34:17 haeffb: ironic to visit him with a frankenpre, no? Mar 31 17:34:22 lol Mar 31 17:34:43 palm-package --use-v1-format APPDIR ---->Correct??? Mar 31 17:34:44 palm-package --use-v1-format Noted Mar 31 17:34:55 I just did that 10 minutes ago Mar 31 17:34:58 I hope all goes well with him. At least it's something that hospitals have experience with. So... well, good luck anyways. Mar 31 17:35:02 hmmm wtf.... Mar 31 17:35:07 yeah, just do palm-package --help, it gives you all the opts Mar 31 17:35:15 do you have the right palm-package in your path? Mar 31 17:35:24 that option is not listed under --help Mar 31 17:35:28 yup Mar 31 17:35:34 it's not? you maybe have an old version? Mar 31 17:35:35 i can package it normally without issue Mar 31 17:35:37 projectalarum: could it be that you don't have the latest sdk? Mar 31 17:35:49 i do, just downloaded it and reinstalled.... Mar 31 17:36:03 2.0 or something from EA? Mar 31 17:36:16 the now official 2.1 sdk Mar 31 17:36:23 here's my output: http://www.friendpaste.com/2WPilaQZctZozZ8P2s0BHX Mar 31 17:36:25 madnificent: thanks for the kind words Mar 31 17:36:55 does anyone know how long it takes for palm to approve a app ? Mar 31 17:37:02 also, try typing palm-package --version Mar 31 17:37:04 varies Mar 31 17:37:05 hmmm somethings up... gonna re-install again just for giggles, i don't get the same output Mar 31 17:37:15 infiniteloop: sometimes quick, I'd expect a couple days at least for a new app Mar 31 17:37:17 often within a day Mar 31 17:37:20 infiniteloop: 1-5 days, in my experience Mar 31 17:37:28 sometimes a week Mar 31 17:37:29 Recently, trending towards one day Mar 31 17:37:34 ok cool , still beats apple Mar 31 17:38:16 ahhh haeffb it kinda works Mar 31 17:40:09 ok, uninstalled, gonna reboot, go to lunch and reinstall when i get back, thank you for your help as well.... wish me luck lol Mar 31 17:40:45 oh right, I had a question about palm approval as well: Can I update the description of the app whilst they are approving it? Mar 31 17:40:54 Or is that included in the approval process Mar 31 17:41:25 madnificent: You can only have one request pending for a particular app at a time Mar 31 17:41:48 But metadata updates go quicker than normal updates, usually, so it's typically cost-effective to just wait until it's published and immediately submit a metadata update Mar 31 17:42:01 ianbeck: ok, thanks! Mar 31 17:42:11 ianbeck: that means that I should think about all that before submitting it :) Mar 31 17:42:14 kinda ? Mar 31 17:42:24 Yeah, thinking about it in advance is usually a good idea :-) Mar 31 17:43:05 cwayne: "it's alive!" ? Mar 31 17:43:34 haeffb: yeah, except when i try to text i get: "Messages can no longer be sent or received in this conversation" Mar 31 17:43:45 yuck Mar 31 17:44:15 did you use the sprint frankenpre2 script in metadoctor? Mar 31 17:44:34 i did Mar 31 17:46:10 and its got my number and everything... think i should just re-run it? Mar 31 17:47:44 haeffb: hmm it seems it doesnt have my palm profile... how can i set that other than first use? Mar 31 17:48:28 * madnificent is training his laptop battery :) Mar 31 17:49:31 it didn't run first use? Mar 31 17:50:30 nope :/ Mar 31 17:50:37 should i just re-run the doctor? Mar 31 17:50:38 something wrong, then Mar 31 17:50:51 you might check in #webos-internals Mar 31 17:51:01 well would re-running it hurt anything? Mar 31 17:51:05 I'd probably re-run the doctor Mar 31 17:51:17 yeah thats what ill try Mar 31 17:51:28 * haeffb is no expert, just someone who's done it a couple of times Mar 31 17:51:51 haeffb: makes you more of an expert than me :) Mar 31 18:20:12 hi all Mar 31 18:20:32 having some problem with a user that downloaded my application Mar 31 18:20:42 he keeps on getting OpenDatabase failed Error: INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11 Mar 31 18:20:54 anyone know why this can happen? Mar 31 18:28:19 Eq: not _that_ helpful, but http://kobesearch.cpan.org/htdocs/HTML-DOM/HTML/DOM/Exception.pm.html#INVALID_STATE_ERR_11 Mar 31 19:06:50 hiyooooo Mar 31 19:10:35 so Mar 31 19:10:37 bison Mar 31 19:10:53 great animal, or GREATEST animal? Mar 31 19:12:14 greatest villian too! Mar 31 19:12:31 psycho crusher! Mar 31 19:13:53 honey badger is the best animal Mar 31 19:13:56 fuck that bison shit Mar 31 19:17:40 what Mar 31 19:17:55 look, if you have a bison shit problem Mar 31 19:18:01 then you are probably feeding it an improper diet Mar 31 19:18:21 shit should be primarily a rich brown, large tubular shape, with a consistent grass/hay infusion Mar 31 19:20:56 badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger Mar 31 19:21:00 MUSHROOM MUSHROOM Mar 31 19:21:40 is there a way to turn off Virtual Box's auto update check? Mar 31 19:26:55 hello webos Mar 31 19:28:04 who likes the new site? Mar 31 19:28:25 * cwayne likes his new frankenpre Mar 31 19:29:18 i was excited Mar 31 19:29:24 till i realized the forums were the same Mar 31 19:29:27 stupid wirc lol Mar 31 19:29:32 yea.. I know Mar 31 19:29:37 is anyone else still waiting for a Pre2? Mar 31 19:29:42 i never got any kind of response Mar 31 19:30:13 * NuttyBunny raises hand Mar 31 19:30:16 * NuttyBunny sighs Mar 31 19:30:41 i just got mine yesterday Mar 31 19:31:16 * dohtem too Mar 31 19:31:34 did you guys get a response email atleast? Mar 31 19:32:43 maybe it'll actually allow me to stay connected... Mar 31 19:33:15 i hang since 5 minutes in the IRS foreign phone line Mar 31 19:33:18 cwayne: frankenpre2? Mar 31 19:33:32 i just want to submit a paid app! Mar 31 19:33:40 PatrickC-Pre2: yep Mar 31 19:33:57 codeslaw: i got an email saying id get one like a month ago Mar 31 19:33:58 :) Mar 31 19:34:05 byebye evo Mar 31 19:34:21 they will probably start shipping again now that 3.0 is out to Early Access Mar 31 19:34:29 wanna send it to me cwayne? :) Mar 31 19:34:45 PatrickC-Pre2: lol Mar 31 19:35:02 I need an android device to test on ;) Mar 31 19:36:34 so do i :) Mar 31 19:38:07 getting a nexus S once it arrives on sprint Mar 31 19:39:04 fuck sprint Mar 31 19:39:41 fuck sprint, at&t, t-mobile, and verizon Mar 31 19:39:43 what's left? Mar 31 19:39:56 clear? garbage Mar 31 19:40:01 cricket? laughable Mar 31 19:40:23 straighttalk :p Mar 31 19:40:38 cwayne: you code on android?? Mar 31 19:41:10 Comcast is the worst company I have ever dealt with Mar 31 19:41:15 PatrickC-Pre2: yar Mar 31 19:41:31 dohtem: if comcast were a person, id murder it Mar 31 19:41:32 twc is no better Mar 31 19:42:04 they wont let me cancel Cable Mar 31 19:42:10 twc sucks balls Mar 31 19:42:17 donkey balls, at that Mar 31 19:42:49 the price of internet alone jumps depending on who I talk to Mar 31 19:43:02 dohtem: i know! they literally wouldnt let me cancel cable Mar 31 19:44:39 just don't pay them, then your cable is canceled :) Mar 31 19:44:58 man i wish it worked like that Mar 31 19:45:10 then they send you to collections Mar 31 19:45:11 heh Mar 31 19:45:18 es muy bueno outside today Mar 31 19:45:21 note: dont take financial advice from a 12 year old Mar 31 19:45:22 lol Mar 31 19:45:27 15 lol Mar 31 19:45:31 close enough Mar 31 19:45:33 * Loudergood works for an isp... and a shocking number of people do think it works like that Mar 31 19:46:02 it works like that on cars :) Mar 31 19:46:13 don't pay your bill, they take the car away :) Mar 31 19:46:25 you've got a bit to learn still Mar 31 19:46:40 lol Mar 31 19:46:44 I know lol Mar 31 19:46:48 cwayne: update? Mar 31 19:46:49 a bit? Mar 31 19:47:13 * haeffb is now at in-laws house. Everything looking good. Watching Cardinals opening day Mar 31 19:48:02 haeffb: works :) Mar 31 19:48:08 glad to hear everythings looking good btw Mar 31 19:48:22 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/webos-in-cars-and-tvs-richard-kerris-goes-on-record/ Mar 31 19:50:14 I called tvs and cars LONG ago, no-brainer Mar 31 19:50:31 haeffb: glad to hear things are looking good Mar 31 19:50:32 stupid forcast is wrong today Mar 31 19:51:30 supposed to be 88f today Mar 31 19:51:54 yet to go below 95f Mar 31 19:52:27 wow... that's a little hot.. its cool here Mar 31 19:52:31 ha Mar 31 19:52:33 hahaha Mar 31 19:52:48 tomorrow I'm getting 8"-10" of snow Mar 31 19:52:54 wow... Mar 31 19:53:37 socal baby! Mar 31 19:54:08 drop the windows, open sunroof, blast tunes Mar 31 19:54:59 * halfhalo loads up ccr on zune Mar 31 19:56:45 global warming: bad for polar bears, great for socal? Mar 31 19:56:45 anyone know of a good way to make Canvas out of SVG? Mar 31 19:57:00 cwayne: is it awesome?!?!? Mar 31 19:57:02 sugardave: thanks! Mar 31 19:57:02 PatrickC-Pre2: http://i.imgur.com/ZOX4D.png Mar 31 19:58:02 tried already.. I'll try again Mar 31 19:58:16 hahaha Mar 31 19:58:49 * oil knew someone would like that :) Mar 31 19:59:14 Do they speak "what" there? Mar 31 20:00:17 woooooo 2.5l v6 at 8k rpm Mar 31 20:00:59 sugardave: Do they speak English in "what"? Mar 31 20:01:44 in virtual box when I go to full screen mode, it seems that [redacted] is capturing the "Host" key so that I can't get back to window mode. Any tips? Mar 31 20:01:51 oil: go ahead and paste that link again Mar 31 20:02:01 http://i.imgur.com/ZOX4D.png Mar 31 20:03:07 * oil goes back to work Mar 31 20:03:24 duh. never mind. Mar 31 20:03:25 haeffb: really? that is weird....try the home key first to go to card view, then hit host+f? Mar 31 20:03:35 "Right CTRL" is not the same key as left CTRL Mar 31 20:03:36 * halfhalo should not be allowed near a car Mar 31 20:03:48 haeffb: yeah, right != left Mar 31 20:03:58 other left Mar 31 20:04:45 yeah, so the Right CTRL key works just fine. Mar 31 20:04:58 oil: can you find an appropriate link for that... :) Mar 31 20:05:42 lulz Mar 31 20:05:58 haeffb: it is SO awesome Mar 31 20:06:15 Is there any way to resignal the inotify watcher? Mar 31 20:07:45 This may not be the place to ask, but in preware my app says "This is a webos application". Is there a certian way to fix it? Mar 31 20:08:34 haeffb: right-ctrl is the host key, right-ctrl + f sends you to full screen mode, and the same to return Mar 31 20:08:58 host+L is better IMO :) Mar 31 20:17:18 Is there a way to move an app from the Beta channel to submit it for the Catalog or do I need to upload e a new version? Mar 31 20:18:06 donc: need a new version with a different app ID Mar 31 20:18:59 ugh i need to turn on logging, someone said my name while i was asleep (xchat was flashing) but its not in the scroll back buffer :( Mar 31 20:19:15 there are logs Mar 31 20:19:20 check the topic Mar 31 20:19:33 I found a bug in the mediaindexer Mar 31 20:19:33 sugardave: new app id? That stinks. Thanks Mar 31 20:19:43 and a stupid work-around Mar 31 20:20:08 MetaView: btw, not sure if I told you this already, but thanks for all your LJP work years ago :) Mar 31 20:20:17 sugardave: the instructions said not to format the description, but it ended up as one big paragraph. should I add

tags or extra linefeeds? Mar 31 20:20:26 Xuzz: you're welcome :) Mar 31 20:20:52 you add linefeeds and a &-sign somewhere Mar 31 20:20:58 donc: it doesn't do HTML, but it's SUPPOSED to honor line breaks if you put a '&' somewhere in your description Mar 31 20:21:52 sugardave: does this magical ampersand become invisible or do I work it into the description? Mar 31 20:21:58 work it in Mar 31 20:22:03 LOL ok Mar 31 20:22:18 wheres patrick :P Mar 31 20:22:27 Tennessee? Mar 31 20:22:42 tardball needs to better specify his requests Mar 31 20:23:09 * sugardave is going to try and beat dawm's score. Mar 31 20:23:51 heh Mar 31 20:24:10 im not sure if its cause i was playing it alot today, rather than just checking emails Mar 31 20:24:16 but my battery was 20% by the time i got home today Mar 31 20:24:54 or if 50% cpu usage is a drain Mar 31 20:26:53 MetaView: ? Mar 31 20:27:37 yes Mar 31 20:27:59 i got an EIN! :) Mar 31 20:28:29 question: " Tax Identification Number " do i have to fill in my brand new EIN or my german tax-id# Mar 31 20:28:49 It'd be a US # Mar 31 20:29:01 to my knowledge Mar 31 20:32:44 * vaibhav__ checking connection Mar 31 20:32:48 your EIN, IIRC Mar 31 20:36:51 thx alot Mar 31 20:38:40 I'm playing around with a slider control in a very simple app, I just don't get the item changed event Mar 31 20:38:50 do I need to enable some general event handling somewhere ? Mar 31 20:40:23 dawm: 4768 Mar 31 20:40:31 bleh Mar 31 20:45:43 I do see all the events in the log, but not that it enters my handler Mar 31 20:48:33 my CU offers a 10% discount for sprint, i wonder if i can get the applied ontop of my SERO plan Mar 31 20:54:15 ... what? Mar 31 20:54:28 sprints chat is only open 7am-12am central time M-F ? Mar 31 20:54:32 5hrs? Mar 31 20:54:37 ... Mar 31 20:54:47 Thats retarted Mar 31 20:55:25 this is also a dev channel right / Mar 31 20:55:30 ? Mar 31 20:55:41 wait no, thats midnight Mar 31 20:55:46 wtf why is it saying its closed Mar 31 20:57:51 sugardave: the catalog won't let me use the same application title as the beta channel, any idea if I can use the id and title if I reject the app from the beta channel? Mar 31 20:58:57 12am is midnight :-P Mar 31 20:59:28 their site sucks Mar 31 20:59:37 i had to dig into the html to get the working chat link Mar 31 21:00:44 the normal link spits out 'chat is busy or your trying to access during non-business hours' Mar 31 21:00:44 lame Mar 31 21:01:01 LLOLOLOL Mar 31 21:01:05 the CSRs name is Dawn Mar 31 21:03:23 Simpson_2: yes it is Mar 31 21:03:35 okay Mar 31 21:03:42 ugh transfered to SERO account support.. Mar 31 21:03:44 did you create an event handler Mar 31 21:08:14 yeah, I think I had a typo somewhere Mar 31 21:08:27 took the handler code from the UIWidget sample app now it works Mar 31 21:11:49 is it me, or does the new online reference suck bigtime ? Mar 31 21:12:01 it almost always has Mar 31 21:21:44 it's tough love Mar 31 21:28:39 fatboy slim making my evenings. Mar 31 21:36:43 is there any good reading on layouts of Mojo Widgets ? Mar 31 21:47:52 check on webos101.com Mar 31 21:48:06 Simpson_2: do you mean: "building a widget by yourself" or customizing them? Mar 31 21:48:19 placing them Mar 31 21:48:32 css Mar 31 21:48:44 e.g. I would like to have a togglebutton in my header Mar 31 21:49:04 theres examples of that Mar 31 21:49:24 look at the clock app Mar 31 21:49:27 under alarms Mar 31 21:49:30 and edit alarm scene Mar 31 21:49:52 and just borrow the code Mar 31 21:49:55 or i could give it to you :P Mar 31 21:50:52 :) Mar 31 21:51:06 http://pastebin.com/ZUuKwuvb Mar 31 21:52:17 that puts the text 'Toggle?' on the left side of the screen, and the toggle button on the right Mar 31 21:52:21 in the header Mar 31 21:52:33 just like the clock/alarm/alarmedit scene Mar 31 21:53:44 k Mar 31 21:58:38 what is this palm-dark thing ?? Mar 31 22:00:28 a theme for apps? Mar 31 22:01:05 well there is a difference if i don't use it, the title doesn't show up Mar 31 22:01:48 I read it's a css set of styles, but it's incomplete... Mar 31 22:02:10 you can remove the palm-dark Mar 31 22:03:26 then my title is gone ? Mar 31 22:03:51 hmm now its not Mar 31 22:03:58 learning curve... Mar 31 22:23:22 Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/3.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Emulator/1.0 Mar 31 22:30:23 1024x768 3.0 emulator scores 92 on the Acid3 test. Not too shabby Mar 31 22:32:03 how the heck do you go to card mode in 3.0? esc doesn't do anything. Mar 31 22:35:26 dgathright: home button Mar 31 22:35:36 on a mac, that's fn-ctrl-left Mar 31 22:36:44 if I have XML true Mar 31 22:36:46 then Mar 31 22:36:55 transport.responseXML.getElementsByTagName('e2ismuted'); Mar 31 22:37:24 should give me a nodelist which in turn should have nodes with a nodeValue right ? Mar 31 22:37:25 Simpson_2: the dark theme. you can set it in the body of the index.html. Mar 31 22:37:37 if there's no body, add body tags Mar 31 22:37:44 with the palm-dark classes Mar 31 22:37:48 *class Mar 31 22:38:02 but that doesn't solve your problem at all. Mar 31 22:39:39 k Mar 31 22:40:58 Are there little Pre "frames" that you can wrap around screenshots of your app on a website? Mar 31 22:42:23 xuzz yep Mar 31 22:42:36 better question: where do I find them? :p Mar 31 22:42:45 if you mean pre pictures i cleared the usage on apps Mar 31 22:42:46 mom Mar 31 22:44:46 Xuxx: Thanks Mar 31 22:45:30 damn, topic was lost in relaunch Mar 31 22:45:34 but heres the url: Mar 31 22:45:57 http://www.palm.com/us/company/media-library/media-library.html Mar 31 22:46:08 Xuzz Mar 31 22:46:36 heh Mar 31 22:46:49 so, like, you can rip out the center and put your own app in? Mar 31 22:46:53 chuq said, these tiffs were usable for presenting my apps - even more worse that the topic has gone. Mar 31 22:46:57 kk Mar 31 22:47:06 awesome Mar 31 22:47:27 yes, that was my quuestion Mar 31 22:47:33 like precentral does Mar 31 22:48:54 he told something from "editorial products" and that he will push that. after a few weeks i wanted to clarify, cause i am german and sometimes lack of language and he said it would be okay. Mar 31 22:48:59 ;) Mar 31 22:49:20 *and sometimes i suffer at a lack of language Mar 31 22:49:28 :D Mar 31 22:50:19 but, that's no thread there any more makes me serious thinking. Mar 31 22:51:14 meh Mar 31 22:51:18 time for bed soon Mar 31 22:53:17 yall playin some minecraft Mar 31 23:11:29 hay all Apr 01 00:01:51 hmm im trying to do a palm-install .ipk i keep getting reply file open failed? Apr 01 00:03:51 developer mode active? Apr 01 00:03:56 oh snap! Apr 01 00:03:58 thanks nutty :) Apr 01 00:04:00 i completely spaced Apr 01 00:04:01 sure :) Apr 01 00:04:01 :P Apr 01 00:05:39 upupdowndowhleftrightleftrightbastart FTW! :D Apr 01 00:05:43 YESSIR :p Apr 01 00:05:45 i wish all phones had that :P Apr 01 00:06:16 and since I didn't buy my Pre on launch day I never remember the other code :) Apr 01 00:06:30 there was another code? :P Apr 01 00:08:11 and of course, dial ##devmode# on cdma or #*devmode# on gsm :D Apr 01 00:09:15 oh snap i didnt know about ##devmode# Apr 01 00:09:16 :P Apr 01 00:09:23 ive been doing konami code for awhile :P Apr 01 00:09:41 ##devmode# is for 2.x only Apr 01 00:10:01 ahh Apr 01 00:10:05 doesnt work any other way Apr 01 00:11:09 mmm.. other one is the "unhide devmode icon" patch Apr 01 00:12:49 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! STUPID TELCEL!!!!!!! TAKE ME!!!! ... just when I grabbed the phone to test, the 3g dies Apr 01 00:13:18 Excellent Apr 01 00:13:44 * NuttyBunny tries again Apr 01 00:14:24 *sigh*... it didn't work as expected.. well, gotta go, see ya later! Apr 01 00:23:41 upupdowndowhleftrightleftrightbastart FTW! :D Apr 01 00:23:45 Somtimes I type bastard :( Apr 01 00:33:18 lol Apr 01 00:33:22 yeah i typed that once or twice :p Apr 01 01:06:01 webos20090606 works as well Apr 01 01:27:08 Klownicle: me too :) Apr 01 01:32:37 hi, I am in a rampaging mood Apr 01 01:33:27 what would you like to rampage, funkatron? Apr 01 01:33:42 the fact that jQueryMobile still looks like shit in webOS Apr 01 01:35:16 funkatron: honestly, jQueryMobile looks like shit everywhere Apr 01 01:35:30 of ffs Apr 01 01:36:30 I don't know why I even both working on this platform -- based on webkit -- when they can't be bothered to make the renderer top of the line Apr 01 01:37:04 or, ya know, making sure what will surely be a very popular cross-platform dev framework to actually look decent in their system Apr 01 01:37:07 for an os based on web stuff, you'd think it would be a pretty high priority Apr 01 01:37:29 funkatron, dkirker got hired for webkit stuff Apr 01 01:37:35 that's great Apr 01 01:37:45 that won't make a diff for months Apr 01 01:37:45 so hopefully they're improving it Apr 01 01:37:54 no, no it won't. Apr 01 01:38:02 okay. Apr 01 01:38:15 maybe you know an HP/Palm different than the one I kow Apr 01 01:38:57 i think he agreed with you Apr 01 01:39:01 regardless, you could also be putting resources into contributions to jQueryMobile to make it look decent Apr 01 01:39:01 I did Apr 01 01:39:02 ah Apr 01 01:39:28 I love how they fucking support WINDOWS MOBILE 7 Apr 01 01:39:50 which doesn't even have a goddamn webkit renderer Apr 01 01:39:59 I just don't get it man. Apr 01 01:40:12 left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing? Apr 01 01:40:48 Oh, I also can't make any goddamn images for the fucking 3.0 SDK because they're a full major version behind in VBox support Apr 01 01:41:20 and building the images on other machines keeps failing Apr 01 01:42:17 Really love wasting hours doing this shit. Apr 01 01:45:36 doesn't sound frustrating at all Apr 01 02:02:39 I'm going to shoot everything Apr 01 02:04:10 do it Apr 01 02:05:26 * oil hides Apr 01 02:05:37 you should Apr 01 02:05:45 can't you fuckers make a better webkit on there? Apr 01 02:05:48 patch that shit Apr 01 02:05:49 funkatron: doitdoitdoit Apr 01 02:06:14 rwhitby: what are you, Judas Priest? Apr 01 02:06:55 no, better. Apr 01 02:09:06 lol Apr 01 02:09:14 wasnt someone talking about upgrading it the other day? Apr 01 02:09:51 * halfhalo thinks oil just volunteered Apr 01 02:10:15 no, thats not what it was Apr 01 02:10:16 lol Apr 01 02:12:02 * halfhalo is bored in his car Apr 01 02:14:16 halfhalo: try swerving, that usually makes things interesting Apr 01 02:14:31 +1 Apr 01 02:14:57 * halfhalo is parked while brother does soccer practice Apr 01 02:15:26 oh, then swerve on the field Apr 01 02:15:36 that's definitely more interesting Apr 01 02:15:56 bah Apr 01 02:17:06 herm.... ipod car charger not working with ipad Apr 01 02:17:31 the ones that they aren't making anymore :) Apr 01 02:17:43 but tibfib, you're my better half Apr 01 02:17:51 if you have no motivation, we're fucked Apr 01 02:18:03 hah Apr 01 02:18:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 came in a little late didn't he Apr 01 02:18:17 I think palm needs to fix some crap before I invest in it Apr 01 02:18:37 before you invest in what?? I'm lost lol Apr 01 02:18:54 [more] time Apr 01 02:19:10 what's broke? Apr 01 02:19:21 I'm still super excited for getting a touchpad, but not feeling like development atm Apr 01 02:19:58 when did they announce anything about getting a touchpad? or are you talking about buying one? Apr 01 02:19:59 lol Apr 01 02:20:14 he's talking about buying one Apr 01 02:20:47 * Tibfib is having issues with grammar today Apr 01 02:21:12 I always have issues with grammar lol Apr 01 02:21:19 I speak American, not English Apr 01 02:28:00 dkirker: ping Apr 01 02:38:14 reading javascript the good parts has been very educational Apr 01 02:40:41 crap. I forgot to bring my Eloquent Javascript along Apr 01 02:41:09 oh well. watching Firefly anyhow. Apr 01 02:41:11 Tibfib: you may like this... http://dmitrysoshnikov.com/category/notes/ Apr 01 02:41:13 good book Apr 01 02:41:21 JavaScript Patterns is pretty awesome too Apr 01 02:41:44 * haeffb needs a touchpad so I can read them Apr 01 02:41:48 hij1nx: thanks! Apr 01 02:43:04 through a developer partnership that never hit off, I have an unlimited safaribooksonline account Apr 01 02:43:25 there's some pretty awesome stuff Apr 01 02:44:19 * Tibfib saves javascript patterns for later Apr 01 02:44:30 doesn't look like eloquent javascript is there Apr 01 02:47:33 http://eloquentjavascript.net/ Apr 01 02:47:55 looks sorta....free Apr 01 02:48:07 Marijn writes awesome code... Apr 01 02:48:40 oh, interesting Apr 01 02:49:05 his article on continuation-passing style is really good to read for nodejs developers http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/cps/ Apr 01 02:49:38 exerpt: "Consider the following situation: Your crazy aunt Emily, who is rumoured to have over fifty cats living with her (you never managed to count them), regularly sends you e-mails to keep you up to date on her exploits." Apr 01 02:50:02 * Tibfib should learn node Apr 01 02:50:10 haeffb: heheh Apr 01 02:50:29 * halfhalo hearts node Apr 01 02:51:51 and callbacks now Apr 01 02:52:02 callbacks can do annnything Apr 01 02:54:00 goooodnight everyone Apr 01 02:54:09 night Apr 01 02:57:11 dawm: you here? Apr 01 02:57:46 halfhalo: I thought you murdered callbacks in their sleep some months ago Apr 01 02:59:33 I did, but then I started liking them Apr 01 02:59:53 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 01 02:59:58 2011