**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 05 02:59:58 2011 Apr 05 03:00:14 rwhitby: do you happen to know where the media indexing code is? Apr 05 03:00:44 1224 score Apr 05 03:01:25 i believe my highest is 3876 Apr 05 03:01:33 er no i had a 4k one i know it Apr 05 03:02:04 the speed reset itself after getting to 100% Apr 05 03:02:38 cwayne: I just posted a review for an app Apr 05 03:02:43 and whenever you tap, the warning sound stops Apr 05 03:02:49 rsanchez1_: hrngggggg Apr 05 03:02:52 paid or free? Apr 05 03:02:57 paid Apr 05 03:03:00 the speed is supposed to reset at 1000pts Apr 05 03:03:06 ah ok Apr 05 03:03:11 that's probably what happened Apr 05 03:03:27 why doesnt it work for meeeeeeeeeeeee Apr 05 03:03:37 is it giving you an error? Apr 05 03:03:38 PatrickC_Pre2, that was covered in the first email :P Apr 05 03:03:44 no i get no errors Apr 05 03:03:59 not you dawm_ lol Apr 05 03:04:00 cwayne Apr 05 03:04:05 theres actually a sound thats supposed to play when you click on a block thats not a valid move but on device its not doing it Apr 05 03:04:20 PatrickC_Pre2: yar Apr 05 03:04:21 and im starting to hate the warning sound.. Apr 05 03:04:25 cwayne: are you trying to review an app you installed via a downloaded ipk? Apr 05 03:04:25 maybe just have it play once Apr 05 03:04:38 play it every 2-4 seconds Apr 05 03:04:50 lol yeah like i need that overhead :P Apr 05 03:04:51 nope, from the app catalog Apr 05 03:05:14 hrmmm Apr 05 03:05:44 my buddy that works at vicarious visions (they made DeadSpace1/2) suggested making the screen go red during the warning Apr 05 03:05:59 * Tibfib needs to install. Apr 05 03:06:00 lol Apr 05 03:06:15 tibfib: report your high score Apr 05 03:06:22 * Tibfib installed Apr 05 03:07:04 dangit dawm_, I'm going to be playing this game a lot. Apr 05 03:07:51 a SLIGHTLY red background fading in an out would be AWESOME Apr 05 03:07:54 I know! Apr 05 03:08:01 its addictive lol Apr 05 03:09:02 the warning sound wasn't annoying to begin with.. but then after a while (I hear it a lot lol) I turned the sound off :p Apr 05 03:09:48 and using a visual cue instead of audio means you have one less audio thing to worry about Apr 05 03:10:47 it already had a visual cue, audio was just an idea Apr 05 03:11:15 Tibfib, you should play it in chrome :P Apr 05 03:12:28 oh so tibfib Apr 05 03:12:42 UIUC is a good school, are you visiting or omething? Apr 05 03:12:49 its so much nicer in chrome ;| Apr 05 03:12:50 it's actually pretty close to where I am Apr 05 03:13:35 funkatron: oh really> Apr 05 03:13:36 ? Apr 05 03:13:39 yeah Apr 05 03:13:49 I was planning on a visit sometime over the summer Apr 05 03:13:49 I live in Lafayette, IN where Purdue is Apr 05 03:13:54 worked there for 9 years Apr 05 03:14:05 it's about 1.5 hours from UIUC Apr 05 03:14:07 nice Apr 05 03:15:07 we should totally meet up/get lunch/something else! Apr 05 03:15:11 bbiab Apr 05 03:15:26 * dawm_ wonders what he meant by 'something else' Apr 05 03:17:44 lol Apr 05 03:18:07 I dunno, chat in a coffee shop Apr 05 03:18:08 whatever Apr 05 03:18:10 buttsecks Apr 05 03:18:16 haha Apr 05 03:18:32 Tibfib: yeah that would be cool Apr 05 03:18:44 * Tibfib assumes funkatron is ignoring cwayne Apr 05 03:18:44 ALL OF IT *PREDATOR* Apr 05 03:18:50 lol Apr 05 03:18:51 haha Apr 05 03:18:54 * Tibfib hopes funkatron is ignoring cwayne Apr 05 03:19:00 prays Apr 05 03:19:07 hey funkatron, tibfib is a minor! Apr 05 03:19:09 you should visit purdue tho b/c it's awesome Apr 05 03:19:18 yeah I could prob be his dad Apr 05 03:19:23 yeah definitely, didn't realize it was so close Apr 05 03:19:24 lol Apr 05 03:19:26 SUPER OLD Apr 05 03:19:36 purdue has very good science programs too Apr 05 03:20:05 I know many people in the CS school if you're actually interested Apr 05 03:20:15 haha you're going to try and sell me on purdue! and if dtzWill is around/able I may be able to chat with him about UIUC Apr 05 03:20:23 funkatron: that'd be awesome! Apr 05 03:20:30 Purdue kicks UIUC's ass Apr 05 03:20:39 not really but they're very comparable Apr 05 03:20:39 lol Apr 05 03:20:52 big public research universities Apr 05 03:22:41 dawm_: a stage deactivate pause is needed mucho Apr 05 03:23:03 all games should pause when in card view :) Apr 05 03:23:36 I don't think dawm_ has incorporated mojo into his app yet tho, so maybe not for a while Apr 05 03:23:52 dawm_: a pause, at the very least is needed Apr 05 03:23:56 otherwise it works pretty well Apr 05 03:25:23 oh wait, maybe he has done mojo stuff Apr 05 03:25:37 so that pause needs to come soon! Apr 05 03:25:38 the pause is defiantly needed Apr 05 03:26:02 5282 For my score ;) Apr 05 03:26:26 dawm_: works beautifully in chrome too Apr 05 03:26:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't tried it in chrome yet Apr 05 03:26:57 dawm_: screenshot sharing allowed in here? Apr 05 03:28:22 goodnight everyone Apr 05 03:29:02 http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/federal-prosecutors-investigating-pandora-other-smartphone-apps/&category=classic&postPage=1 Apr 05 03:29:19 ^^ Pandora is being sued? Apr 05 03:35:55 people freak out about Pandora, yet don't think twice about sharing their life on Facebook Apr 05 03:36:52 I know… Apr 05 03:37:01 I don't think they're being sued, the article said on one might be charged yet Apr 05 03:37:26 no one* Apr 05 03:37:56 http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/02/diamond-encrusted-lunatik-ipod-nano-watch-is-as-superfluous-as-i/ Apr 05 03:37:57 ^^ lol Apr 05 03:38:07 I wonder what information Pandora collects from the webOS app Apr 05 03:38:30 seeing how they haven't touched it since I can remember, they probably don't care Apr 05 03:38:50 yea seriously.. they never update it Apr 05 03:39:08 * rsanchez1_ wants a diamond-encrusted Veer as a watch Apr 05 03:39:27 :) Apr 05 03:40:46 * PatrickC_Pre2 just wants a veer period Apr 05 03:41:47 I'll hold out for the Pre 3 Apr 05 03:43:14 anyone on here use digipoll? Apr 05 03:44:39 I use it every once in a while Apr 05 03:45:54 check the technology part.. I put up a poll about webos Apr 05 03:47:21 well, I'm off to bed Apr 05 03:47:22 night Apr 05 04:58:37 Vixi power! Apr 05 05:14:01 Exhibition on a Pre2 is almost oppressively bright. @_@ Apr 05 05:43:08 SineOt: the default clock app with white text/black background? Apr 05 05:43:22 Nah, more the screen backlight. Apr 05 05:43:42 My Pixi dims way down, but the Pre2 is just like "herpadurp" and blazes on full tilt. Apr 05 06:08:58 Any hint for an E-Mail-Patch or application with which i can read mailinglists in a nice way? Apr 05 06:24:29 morning Apr 05 06:24:39 hi swisstomcat Apr 05 06:24:51 Good morning dkirker and swisstomcat Apr 05 06:24:59 good morning hotdp Apr 05 06:26:13 dkirker: there's an issue with jquery mobile on webos with webkit gradients .. better fix that … and while you're at it: also add touch-event like everyone else please :) Apr 05 06:26:26 touchstart,touchend,... Apr 05 06:26:42 oh, and @font-face support please Apr 05 06:26:53 swisstomcat: i told you in the first place that its not close to complete :D Apr 05 06:27:11 Thats why i did another route Apr 05 06:27:36 hotdp: did you know that the jquery mobile people are testing on 1.4.5? Apr 05 06:37:07 WHAT! Apr 05 06:37:12 No i did not Apr 05 06:37:24 yeah :/ Apr 05 06:37:34 i belive thay did when i startet using it because there where only 1.4.5 Apr 05 06:37:43 looks like they're getting a pre2 now tho Apr 05 06:37:46 about time :/ Apr 05 06:38:02 But there have been many changes from 1.4.5 so thought they where moving on Apr 05 06:38:18 Pre 2 now, thats fast. Is'nt palm "sponsor" ? ;) Apr 05 06:40:20 yeah Apr 05 06:40:21 strange Apr 05 06:43:32 Tablet from Sony, is there any firm that will not have a tablet? Apr 05 06:44:26 everyone has a tablet Apr 05 06:44:34 most of them are more or less the same Apr 05 06:44:40 HP needs to differentiate Apr 05 06:44:55 Here at work Apr 05 06:45:11 the integration between tablet and phone is the "highlight" for the HP one Apr 05 06:45:40 Where you can place yourphone and take your touchpad and take calls ect Apr 05 06:47:51 yup Apr 05 06:48:12 that's something new and exactly the differentiation i'm talking about Apr 05 06:48:14 so i think it has a good chance here Apr 05 06:48:23 if they can sell it Apr 05 06:48:45 but it all comes down to pirce an build quality Apr 05 06:48:50 *price Apr 05 06:48:59 yeah Apr 05 06:50:55 there is nothing "new" about the price? Apr 05 06:51:47 it just needs to be competitive Apr 05 06:52:01 so there is no "news" about it? Apr 05 14:13:12 http://www.investorplace.com/35861/ugliest-smartphone-nokia-motorola-ngage-palm/ Apr 05 14:13:26 What you think of that list Apr 05 14:16:39 I really don't get how the palm devices fit in with any of the others Apr 05 14:17:00 fanboy troll is fanboy troll Apr 05 14:17:14 the treo isn't exactly pretty, but for the time they fit in with the plasticy designs that were common. Apr 05 14:17:21 I like how he says the Pre 3 has been out since Feb 2011 and we'll have to suffer with it for a while Apr 05 14:17:26 except that it isn't out yet Apr 05 14:18:06 I'm waiting to hold a pre3... I was very disappointed when I finally saw a pre2 in the VZW store Apr 05 14:18:34 but my pre+ still causes people to go WOW and want to touch/hold it :) Apr 05 14:19:45 so does my...erm....yeah Apr 05 14:28:41 I'm still really sore about the fact that there's no offical update for my old pre- ... I'm somewhat afraid to install the 2.x SDK because I don't know if I can then still run the apps on my pre- ... does sdk2 apps run on pre- devices that are still on 1.4.5? Apr 05 14:29:12 jettero: yes Apr 05 14:29:20 k, no worries then I guess Apr 05 14:29:24 there's a flag you use when doing palm-package Apr 05 14:29:32 something like --use-v1-format or something Apr 05 14:29:32 interesting Apr 05 14:29:39 glad I asked Apr 05 14:29:44 I don't remember exactly what it is Apr 05 14:29:54 I've been avoiding the platform completely for a few months because I was afraid it was fragmenting like android... Apr 05 14:30:07 but if I can still run stuff on my phone I guess it doesn't matter much Apr 05 14:30:08 jettero: understandable, but you should get back into it Apr 05 14:30:15 indeed Apr 05 14:30:23 EVENTUALLY it will all be folded back into one codebase Apr 05 14:30:29 :) Apr 05 14:30:39 I love webos. I'm just sore about the no official 2.x for pre- Apr 05 14:30:49 when I get my pre3, I'll be all: pfft, screw you pre- users Apr 05 14:31:11 early adopters get kinda shafted. my own fault really. :) Apr 05 14:31:36 I know, I'm in the same boat Apr 05 14:31:51 my Sprint contract ends in June and I doubt they'll have a new webOS device then Apr 05 14:31:53 I feel especially abandoned by sprint ... but I'll get my pre3 and be all 100% happy again Apr 05 14:32:21 Still tossing up whether to get the parents to get me another Pre2 in Hawaii. Apr 05 14:38:48 so im taking out the warning sound Apr 05 14:39:00 and going back to my old sound lib Apr 05 14:39:46 dawm_: haven't played with the new one yet, but I will later today Apr 05 14:48:59 sugardave: I think they will have a new device by then. I read some evidenceless speculation that they should have something by may... Apr 05 14:49:12 and I choose to believe that speculation Apr 05 14:49:26 hey guys what am i doing wrong? Apr 05 14:49:27 if (this.checkBox1.value === false) { Apr 05 14:49:27 this.submit.disabled = true; Apr 05 14:49:28 this.controller.modelChanged(this.submit); Apr 05 14:49:28 } Apr 05 14:49:37 i thought 2 equals was a boolean Apr 05 14:49:58 it is Apr 05 14:50:16 whatttt Apr 05 14:50:20 is the value false or 'false' Apr 05 14:50:34 uhhmmm Apr 05 14:50:47 let me try 'false' Apr 05 14:51:01 i forget how checkboxes behave Apr 05 14:51:04 jettero: I hope your are right Apr 05 14:51:09 me too Apr 05 14:51:10 you can have values or you can just have true/false Apr 05 14:51:22 now wtf.. changed the sound around and i get nothing.. not even an error Apr 05 14:51:31 still nothing. the value of the checkbox isn't affecting whether the button is disabled or enabled Apr 05 14:51:55 Jake_M: try if (!this.checkBox1.value) {...} instead Apr 05 14:52:37 negatory Apr 05 14:52:50 hmm, log the value and waht do you get? Apr 05 14:53:39 ahh, I think they're "on" and "off" Apr 05 14:53:41 I use var checkBoxAttributes = { trueValue: 'on', falseValue: 'off' }; Apr 05 14:53:53 they're string values, and you can change them to whatever you like Apr 05 14:54:08 but I rarely change defaults even though I state the settings explicitly Apr 05 14:54:26 sugardave, http://www.storiesinflight.com/html5/audio.html Apr 05 14:54:33 thats the multichannel audio thingier Apr 05 14:54:35 well i know they're string values Apr 05 14:54:43 because one of them i changed to be "I agree" Apr 05 14:54:45 lol Apr 05 14:54:49 Jake_M: right, but you can change what they are, and ... oh Apr 05 14:54:50 hehe Apr 05 14:55:33 jettero: if they're strings then it's if (this.checkBox1.value === 'false') {...} Apr 05 14:55:34 I also check my checkboxes with the Model ... not with the html Apr 05 14:55:37 but ymmv Apr 05 14:55:51 dawm_: ah, cool Apr 05 14:56:03 er thats one of them, its not the one i have but very similar Apr 05 14:56:06 is the logic in the if statement correct..?? Apr 05 14:56:45 Jake_M: couldn't say. I use the this.checkBoxNameModel.value ... is that what checkBox1 is? the model? Apr 05 14:57:09 Jake_M: my last was meant for you, not jettero Apr 05 14:57:26 if so, then I would think this.checkBox1.value.match(/(?:true|on|yes|agree)/) would do the tric Apr 05 14:57:44 oh wait hold Apr 05 14:57:48 heh Apr 05 14:59:06 okay Apr 05 14:59:25 if that regex match worked, you probably want to narrow it down to the right string cuz === 'word' is a lot faster than .match() Apr 05 14:59:36 the .match() was a joke. :) Apr 05 14:59:57 no i'm trying to figure out why its not working Apr 05 15:00:14 because you're looking at boolean false instead of string "false" Apr 05 15:00:21 and it's a string, my guess Apr 05 15:00:30 well i changed it to 'false' Apr 05 15:00:35 and i tried 2 and 3 equal signs Apr 05 15:01:16 i think my logic is wrong in the if statement Apr 05 15:02:03 Jake_M: what are you trying to do with this.submit.disabled? Apr 05 15:02:24 disable the button model Apr 05 15:02:38 dev.palm.com says use disabledProperty('enabled'); Apr 05 15:02:43 but i saw another use that one Apr 05 15:03:18 disabledProperty is to change the name of the property that represents the disbaled state...the default is disabled Apr 05 15:03:35 so the only vpn servers that webos can connect to are Cisco? Apr 05 15:03:55 ipsec is ipv4+ not cisco Apr 05 15:03:56 you shouldn't mess with it unless you have a bunch of already built objects and you want to use one of their properties ("enabled", "active", etc.) as the disabled indicator Apr 05 15:04:37 if i think i'm understanding you correctly, wouldn't i want to use the property of the checkbox to be the disabled indicator? Apr 05 15:04:44 oh seriously.. wtf Apr 05 15:04:58 jettero, I see vpnc and cisco anyconnect. I'm having trouble figuring out what to install on my router for either of those to connect with Apr 05 15:05:04 it autodetects w/h .. and ive been hardcoding them Apr 05 15:05:05 lame! Apr 05 15:05:19 .naturalHeight .naturalWidth .. Apr 05 15:05:24 RagingMind: oh, curious. I thought one of the choices was ipsec... I've never seen webos 2, so I really don't know Apr 05 15:05:45 vpnc says it's ipsec, and anyconnect says ssl Apr 05 15:06:19 propertyChangeEvent.value maybe Apr 05 15:06:45 but there are lots of different ipsec software stack options, and I'm not sure how interoperable they are Apr 05 15:06:56 Jake_M: no, the method you are trying to use seems correct....are you trying to disable a regular Mojo button widget? Apr 05 15:07:13 yes Apr 05 15:07:20 or i guess enable Apr 05 15:07:37 trying to remember if there is a visual indicator the stock button is disabled or not Apr 05 15:07:43 there might not be Apr 05 15:07:53 but it would not take a tap if it's disabled Apr 05 15:07:59 (it's been a while) Apr 05 15:08:00 well its like transparent Apr 05 15:08:20 oh, there is then Apr 05 15:08:24 that's good :) Apr 05 15:08:48 when the checkbox isn't checked, the button should be disabled, and when the checkbox is checked, the button should enable Apr 05 15:08:54 so, your logic should go: if (the checkbox is checked) then enable the button Apr 05 15:08:59 yes Apr 05 15:08:59 lol Apr 05 15:09:02 heh Apr 05 15:09:10 if only you could just type that Apr 05 15:09:35 if (this.checkBox1.mojo.getValue()) {// enable the button} else {// disable the button} Apr 05 15:09:39 ? Apr 05 15:11:24 Jake_M: nevermind, checkBox has no mojo methods Apr 05 15:11:55 sigh Apr 05 15:12:24 anyway is that it? Apr 05 15:12:35 any one had sucess with WPA2 Enterprise in webos 1.4.5? Apr 05 15:16:05 Jake_M: where are you doing this if check on the checkBox value? Apr 05 15:16:12 bbl Apr 05 15:16:39 uh Apr 05 15:17:02 Jake_M: like in the propertyChange event or something? Apr 05 15:17:33 checkBox1Change: function(inSender, event) { ? Apr 05 15:17:39 similar to that? Apr 05 15:17:42 oh no...Ares Apr 05 15:17:43 yeah Apr 05 15:17:47 lol Apr 05 15:18:25 there's some special Ares way to get a widget's model, so that you can then check the values in it Apr 05 15:18:33 this.model.value Apr 05 15:19:26 bah screw it i'm just going to wait for Enyo Apr 05 15:19:42 okay, so if you log that out Mojo.Log.info(theModel.value), what does it have? Log it right before your if Apr 05 15:19:45 oh Apr 05 15:19:45 damn Apr 05 15:22:17 oh do i love it when there are no errors but it doesnt do what its supposed to.. Apr 05 15:30:32 * halfhalo takes a nap while his work computer loads Apr 05 15:30:41 wow Apr 05 15:30:47 portal never logged me out Apr 05 15:30:52 havent been there in days Apr 05 15:31:27 woo, almost about to reach 3000 purchases Apr 05 15:31:55 herm.... today might be interesting in the office Apr 05 15:32:34 it almost looks like we are moving.... Apr 05 15:34:33 buuuuuttttt that's not happening... oh, dur, spring cleaning Apr 05 15:36:51 uhh Apr 05 15:36:56 wtf is mojoloader.js .. Apr 05 15:37:13 docs need to specify which version api they're explaining Apr 05 15:39:01 nice Apr 05 15:39:20 you can tell the os to adjust media volume rather than ringtone volume Apr 05 15:39:22 didnt know that Apr 05 15:48:40 heh... work computer just finsihed loading all my stuff now Apr 05 15:50:02 found another forloop i can do away with Apr 05 15:50:13 wish this wasnt so cpu hungry Apr 05 15:52:43 halfhalo: have you considered reinstalling your work computer? or an alternate operating system? :D Apr 05 15:53:04 yes to first, not going to happen to second Apr 05 15:53:19 this is a relatively clean install as it is, since I did wipe it a few months ago Apr 05 15:53:40 its just that mail takes a looooong time to sync up with my accounts after a weekend of not being used Apr 05 15:54:23 hehehe.. too bad Apr 05 15:54:45 it needs a ssd Apr 05 15:55:10 i can do while(true) {} and then break; to get out right? Apr 05 15:55:50 dawm_: I think so Apr 05 15:55:58 never tried it, but that's what break is supposed to do Apr 05 15:56:03 i could save assigning a boolean var Apr 05 15:56:57 dawm_: can't you do a do {code} while (condition) ? Apr 05 15:57:20 or repeat until ? (I don't remember if that's for another language) :D Apr 05 15:57:27 in js it's do/while Apr 05 15:57:35 i got another issue i ened to fix before i test Apr 05 15:58:13 it just broke for no reaon Apr 05 15:59:30 I bet there' Apr 05 15:59:32 s a reason Apr 05 15:59:38 hehehe... that's the way networking equipment works, not js :D Apr 05 15:59:54 heh Apr 05 16:01:09 ugh crashed chrome inspector Apr 05 16:09:58 odd Apr 05 16:10:05 i thought you could do array.length = 0; to empty it Apr 05 16:10:42 array=null;array=[] is what I do Apr 05 16:11:13 yeah it works with [] or Array() Apr 05 16:11:23 but if i set the length, it breaks horribly Apr 05 16:11:50 dawm_: I don't think you can do that...pop everything, or set it null or new Array() Apr 05 16:13:00 http://css-tricks.com/snippets/javascript/empty-an-array/ Apr 05 16:13:06 fail! Apr 05 16:13:31 V8 must not like that Apr 05 16:31:36 ugh Apr 05 16:31:45 all the old doc urls turn into a redirect loop Apr 05 16:35:34 Thinking about switching back to webos if the pre 3 comes to sprint. Anyone know if it will have a 4g radio? Apr 05 16:35:54 I really hope it does Apr 05 16:36:36 i think we're all hoping it does, but they're going to have a problem between Sprint's WiMax and VZ's LTE Apr 05 16:37:23 Does it have lte? Apr 05 16:37:30 not many companies are going to want to keep producing extra devices because one company chooses different tech, especially when the odd man out is Sprint whose user base appears to be falling Apr 05 16:37:37 I can't get it without 4g Apr 05 16:37:43 the pre3? i don't think anyone officially knows yet Apr 05 16:38:18 Wiimax was out before lte and in more areas Apr 05 16:38:37 doesn't mean it's going to win out or that it's even better than LTE Apr 05 16:38:44 it's all about which provider has more demand Apr 05 16:38:55 and which provider has the resources to meet that demand Apr 05 16:39:04 anyone else seeing http://ipkg.preware.org down? Apr 05 16:39:18 I doubt webos phones do well on verizon. Seems to me more webos users on sprint Apr 05 16:39:21 PatrickC_Pre: Chrome says ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE Apr 05 16:39:44 what's up maik? Apr 05 16:39:45 rawle: if we want webOS to succeed, we want it on every carrier we can get ahold of Apr 05 16:40:11 And you also need the tech like wimax Apr 05 16:40:20 PatrickC_Pre: ipkg.preware.org isn't serving up any pages Apr 05 16:40:23 and lte Apr 05 16:40:49 ok, so then it is down Apr 05 16:40:53 3788 .. ugh Apr 05 16:40:56 Especially since sprint is now charging 10.00 regardless Apr 05 16:40:57 oil: ping! :) Apr 05 16:41:04 what's up dawm_? Apr 05 16:41:07 but that was on the desktop, which is liek twice as fast as device Apr 05 16:41:13 nothing, still toying with making the audio work Apr 05 16:41:54 going back thru and trying to optimize whatever i can to reduce the stupid cpu usage Apr 05 16:42:06 I got like 5282 last night :) Apr 05 16:42:18 see Apr 05 16:42:22 thats the highest iirc Apr 05 16:42:37 mister 'how did you score 900?' Apr 05 16:42:57 hehe Apr 05 16:43:17 its addictive lol Apr 05 16:58:04 cya -- time for school Apr 05 17:17:31 seriously? Apr 05 17:17:43 i made all my sounds atleast 0.750s Apr 05 17:17:43 yes Apr 05 17:18:03 they still dotn play when i need them to Apr 05 17:18:12 but its an improvement Apr 05 17:49:06 new dev portal broke alot of article :( Apr 05 17:51:21 wow.. Apr 05 17:52:45 in chrome, each frame is done within 1-2ms Apr 05 17:53:03 on device.. its more like 20-40ms Apr 05 17:53:10 sometimes longer Apr 05 18:10:51 avg 29fps in chrome Apr 05 18:11:50 15fps on device Apr 05 18:11:51 this sucks Apr 05 18:36:58 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/audio.html#volume-key-lock Apr 05 18:37:01 good to know Apr 05 18:38:07 anyone know if its possible to implement image filters using palmsdk ? Apr 05 18:45:22 If I revoke an app from the beta channel can I reuse the title and appid for an app submitted to the store? Apr 05 18:52:10 donc: yup Apr 05 18:52:26 but all the reviews follow you to the official app catalog Apr 05 18:52:26 do you revoke it? or just update it to the app store? Apr 05 18:52:57 dohtem: There are no reviews yet. I really would prefer to promote it to the Catalog but AFAIK I can't do that Apr 05 18:53:02 yeah, you update the app and chose a new distribution method Apr 05 18:53:37 dohtem: excellent, I'll try that Apr 05 18:54:36 one silly thing... even if it's new to the catalog, it appears in the feeds as an updated app, not a new app Apr 05 18:55:11 seems new in the app catalog picks it up anyway though (precentral) Apr 05 18:55:20 it doesnt Apr 05 18:55:28 oh Apr 05 18:55:31 well fooey Apr 05 18:55:37 * dohtem learned that the hard way Apr 05 18:55:57 well, you could just release a pro version that's exactly the same Apr 05 18:56:24 or change the app id Apr 05 18:56:49 I don't see an update option. I only see a reject button and a status = submitted. (I think it's stuck updating the beta description) Apr 05 18:57:41 I think you have to wait till the status says published Apr 05 18:59:36 It's been stuck for about a week. I updated it as thew new site was going live. Apr 05 18:59:47 Is there anyone at hp/palm I can ask to check on it? Apr 05 18:59:54 pdc@palm.com Apr 05 19:00:47 dohtem: thanks Apr 05 19:15:02 LOL Apr 05 19:15:03 http://www.facebook.com/Microsoft/posts/141100732625654 Apr 05 19:15:16 640x480 resolution? Apr 05 19:23:06 lol theyre in bill gates office, but dialed in to the internet from MSN .. he's not on the network? :P Apr 05 19:25:59 dawm_: here's another good one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUs7iG1mNjI Apr 05 19:26:15 yah saaw that one before Apr 05 19:30:31 its sad how bad it was back then Apr 05 19:30:53 i used to use compuserve for dos.. Apr 05 19:34:25 rehi Apr 05 19:41:56 I'm starting to think I should have stuck with Depot instead of going to db8 Apr 05 19:42:05 only thing db8 is good for is just type integration Apr 05 19:42:45 db8 is also limited in size amongst ALL applications Apr 05 19:43:10 anyone do any fbook integration in their app Apr 05 19:44:52 cwayne: if you just want to do status updates, probably easier to use the built-in fb app Apr 05 19:45:05 i want people to be able to "like" my shit from within my app Apr 05 19:45:29 hmm, I don't know if you can cross-app launch a "like" Apr 05 19:45:46 if you use their api you can Apr 05 19:48:13 cwayne: no I meant in the Palm app...not sure if there is cross-app launch parm for a like Apr 05 19:48:42 this wouldnt even use the palm app Apr 05 19:48:55 dave he means like on blog posts Apr 05 19:49:03 you can like urls Apr 05 19:49:04 theres a js api to drop it in Apr 05 19:49:05 ya Apr 05 19:49:09 using fb connect Apr 05 19:49:11 which i hate Apr 05 19:49:23 nyceane has a way to do fb connect in webos Apr 05 19:49:30 its on github Apr 05 19:49:33 yeah i just saw that Apr 05 19:49:47 but its all just js anyway, i can't imagine it'd be too hard Apr 05 19:49:52 im supposed to try and improve it but i havent had time Apr 05 19:50:07 I know...my point is that if there WAS a cross-app launch parm in the palm app, you could just use that :) Apr 05 19:50:16 sugardave: oh right, that'd be SO much better Apr 05 19:50:21 the fb app doesnt let you like something thats not already posted Apr 05 19:50:28 bogus Apr 05 19:50:29 is the fb app any good? Apr 05 19:50:32 the fb app is pretty much just statuses Apr 05 19:50:33 i kinda stopped using fb Apr 05 19:50:54 dave, i added a pause button, and a framerate counter (which i wish i didnt add..) Apr 05 19:51:00 hahaha Apr 05 19:51:04 avg 15fps on device, avg30fps in chrome Apr 05 19:51:04 dawm_: if i figure anything good about it, ill send it your way then :) Apr 05 19:52:30 oh yeah, i tried it in the emulator.. perfect framerate.. just like in chrome Apr 05 19:52:39 even set my pre- to 1ghz, no change Apr 05 19:53:31 hardware acceleration? Apr 05 19:53:40 being used in the emu even though not on device? Apr 05 19:54:54 posibly, or the dualcore 2ghz~ Apr 05 19:55:11 i tested it @ 1ghz again, 20fps, audio still lagged Apr 05 19:55:49 yeah the cpu difference is a litte significant Apr 05 19:56:17 code is as optimized as i can get it, hovering around at 50% usage Apr 05 19:57:00 might have to make this a pdk app.. which means i need to learn c Apr 05 19:57:21 and use the macbook =/ Apr 05 19:59:42 Harro everyone Apr 05 20:03:17 dawm_: what are you using now? Apr 05 20:03:48 js/canvas Apr 05 20:03:52 oh Apr 05 20:03:55 my desktop pc Apr 05 20:04:13 dont have a cable for the macbook to use it on a larger monitor Apr 05 20:04:31 oh, why would you have to use your macbook for c? Apr 05 20:05:29 xcode Apr 05 20:05:35 ive played with the pdk before on the mac Apr 05 20:05:52 i think i had a start of somethign, but that was all luck Apr 05 20:06:51 oh, I see Apr 05 20:07:07 I didn't like using the PDK on Windows, so now I use it on LInux Apr 05 20:07:17 does anyone else keep getting redirect loops on developer.palm.com? Apr 05 20:07:21 never tried xcode though Apr 05 20:08:05 Popple3: sometimes when I refresh a page I get something that says infinite loop detected, click a link, do not refresh Apr 05 20:08:07 I mean to learn some pdk... every time I go to download it I get pissed there's only two choices, mac/windows as if the phone it self doesn't run on linux Apr 05 20:08:22 I saw people are doing it in linux anyway though, but I always meh out Apr 05 20:08:30 rsanchez1: I keep getting it clicking links. Mostly Google search results Apr 05 20:10:41 jettero: it's easy to get the PDK set up on linux now, much easier than using the WIDK Apr 05 20:12:01 I believe I read that Apr 05 20:12:08 I just get offended when the vendors ignore the platform Apr 05 20:12:16 I'm kindof a touchy asshole Apr 05 20:12:46 well, they don't exactly ignore it Apr 05 20:12:55 no, they certainly don't Apr 05 20:12:59 I did say I was touchy though Apr 05 20:13:07 they acknowledge they don't have the resources to get to it, and give this third-party way of doing it their blessing Apr 05 20:13:22 yeah, I read a dev say that very thing Apr 05 20:13:41 god the facebook api is horseshit Apr 05 20:13:44 I really just need to go install it and try something Apr 05 20:13:48 cwayne++ Apr 05 20:13:56 it's also a moving target Apr 05 20:14:04 you cant even fucking like something with the graph api Apr 05 20:14:42 at least not with the graph api Apr 05 20:16:12 Popple3, it appears the update broke alot of articles Apr 05 20:16:29 dawm_: yeah :/ Oh well, I'm managing anyway Apr 05 20:24:07 http://www.channel3000.com/news/27423143/detail.html Apr 05 20:24:14 more pix from that accident the other day in madison, wi Apr 05 20:29:56 wow P|C just spammed the hell outta facebook Apr 05 20:35:47 Google has failed me. Can anyone tell me how to pass data from one scene to another. I have a list and want to transfer the id and title properties over to the new scene? Apr 05 20:36:09 you put it in the pushScene() Apr 05 20:36:16 yeah, I got that much Apr 05 20:36:16 and grab it in the new scene's activate Apr 05 20:36:43 oh, is it in the event argument? Apr 05 20:36:49 yeah Apr 05 20:36:59 i believe its the 2nd arg Apr 05 20:37:16 activate = function(event,arg,arg2,arg3) Apr 05 20:38:08 http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch.asp?scriteria=BA47561 Apr 05 20:38:09 clever Apr 05 20:38:32 anybody got this error, it seems to hinder my pushing scene everytime error: Uncaught Error: require Failed: unbalanced call to PerfTimer pause/resume 'scene#assistantSetup' Apr 05 20:39:23 here is the thread in the forum https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12545&p=63290#p63290 Apr 05 20:42:17 vaibhav: I usually get that error when I have timingEnabled: true in my framework_config.json Apr 05 20:42:49 see if the scene pushes successfully when you set it to false Apr 05 20:43:18 Popple3: push/swapScene takes either a string or an object as its first argument (and that is either the scene name string or object with scene name and other stuff)...any args after that are just passed to the next scene's constructor Apr 05 20:43:50 so, in that scene's constructor, add some arguments, then save a reference to them in the constructor Apr 05 20:44:00 sugardave: Yeah, that's what I was trying at first, but it won't work for me :/ Apr 05 20:44:07 keep getting "Uncaught Error: requireFunction Failed: scene element must be extended by prototype" Apr 05 20:44:18 yay P|C is bost Apr 05 20:44:18 function secondScene(anArg, anotherArg) { this.anArg = anArg; //etc} Apr 05 20:44:39 Popple3: can you pastebin your code? Apr 05 20:45:40 Hello, the web server at ipkg.preware.org seems to be down. Apr 05 20:46:28 qotsa: might want to go to #webos-internals and see if they know Apr 05 20:46:37 check twitter Apr 05 20:46:43 it is alreaddy flase Apr 05 20:46:45 what do you guys think is the best solution to simple gps tracking to give time/distance? Apr 05 20:46:50 *false Apr 05 20:47:12 MapTool tracks well, but just gives you a gpx file, not "you went 4 miles" kind of thing Apr 05 20:47:26 pandora--: what is "give time/distance"? Apr 05 20:47:28 vaibhav: hmm, that's the only situation where I've ever seen that particular error Apr 05 20:48:21 poopl3 Apr 05 20:48:26 want me to give you my code? Apr 05 20:48:27 jettero: meaning, tracking your gps route and tell you how long it took you/how far you went Apr 05 20:49:19 same code was working fine with 1.4.5 , then I upgraded to enyo, got thhis error, downgraded to 2.1 - same error and then to 1.4.5 still same error, timingEnabled is set to false Apr 05 20:49:20 doh nevermind! it's quite a hidden feature of MapTool Apr 05 20:49:22 but it works :) Apr 05 20:50:17 got it figured , I was calling pushscene from setup method, that might be the trigger Apr 05 20:50:32 Popple3, im sorry its not in activate() Apr 05 20:50:41 its in your function sceneNameAssistant Apr 05 20:50:48 this.controller.stageController.pushScene({name:"sceneName",transition:Mojo.Transition.crossFade},"arg",arg2); Apr 05 20:50:49 moved pushscene call to activate and it's working Apr 05 20:50:53 that's what I said! Apr 05 20:50:57 function scenenameAssistant(arg,arg2) {} Apr 05 20:51:02 :P Apr 05 20:51:19 dawm_: I guessed since that's what I got online and from sugardave :P Apr 05 20:51:22 Think I have it sorted now Apr 05 20:51:46 when you POP a scene, the underlying scene can get data in the event object IF you pass it as an arg to popScene() Apr 05 20:51:53 poople3 dont always listen to dave :P Apr 05 20:51:58 heh Apr 05 20:52:11 at least I don't call him poople3 Apr 05 20:52:29 dawm_: It was 2 vs 1 :P Apr 05 20:52:37 its not poople3? Apr 05 20:52:41 my bad :) Apr 05 20:52:58 got it Apr 05 20:53:04 thanks dawm_ & sugardave Apr 05 20:53:12 np Apr 05 20:53:21 ugh, i really hate coding on the macbook. dave i think i might attempt to PDK :( Apr 05 20:53:51 who was it that used WebOS.sugar? I'm really forgetful :P Apr 05 20:54:05 dawm_: woo, brave soul! Apr 05 20:54:48 uhh Apr 05 20:54:53 * Popple3 here realised the person may not actually be here Apr 05 20:54:55 I should be sleeping, not coding Apr 05 20:54:57 where are the sshots for expresso? Apr 05 20:55:15 nvm Apr 05 20:56:09 dave i think i had a super basic but working version, but i think the blocks rained down rather then filled up from the bottom Apr 05 20:56:34 like tetris fill Apr 05 20:56:40 but i know i had sound working flawlessly Apr 05 20:56:51 make it hybrid ;) Apr 05 20:57:06 the version i still have installed on my phone shows a splash screen, then a blank main screen, if you tap on it it make a bubble sound Apr 05 20:57:13 i want 1.x compat Apr 05 20:57:19 meh Apr 05 20:57:41 plus.. im still 1.x :P Apr 05 20:57:50 and ive yet to doctor my 2 Apr 05 20:57:53 i should prolly do that Apr 05 20:58:06 dawm_: sounds like a plan :P Apr 05 20:58:20 I need to doctor this other one Apr 05 20:58:34 sucks, got so far.. and i get hit with a major set back Apr 05 20:59:24 dawm_: But challenges are fun ;) Apr 05 20:59:38 yeah but i procrastinated for like 6 months Apr 05 20:59:47 cause i didnt want to learn canvas Apr 05 21:00:07 * sugardave can't draw. Apr 05 21:00:10 canvas mocks me Apr 05 21:00:11 figured out canvas last monday.. but html5 audio and cpu usage put an end fo that Apr 05 21:00:18 dave it did for me too Apr 05 21:00:18 lazy, canvas is a lot of fun Apr 05 21:00:25 i dont know what changed things around Apr 05 21:00:28 I can make examples Apr 05 21:00:38 if only webOS canvas had all the features of Chrome canvas... Apr 05 21:00:40 i was stuck on sprite management Apr 05 21:00:50 and trying to clone objects Apr 05 21:01:19 then monday, i realized what i was doing was completely stupid and came up with the system i have now, which is pretty clever :D Apr 05 21:01:29 what's SVG performance like on webOS? Thinking of doing a simple turn based game using SVG. Would be much easier for event listeners Apr 05 21:01:35 there is no svg Apr 05 21:01:39 D: Apr 05 21:01:39 I don't think SVG is supported Apr 05 21:01:44 so performance is -9000 Apr 05 21:01:49 x1000 Apr 05 21:01:52 heh Apr 05 21:02:41 * Popple3 throws idea out the window Apr 05 21:02:43 canvas it is so Apr 05 21:03:00 our canvas has issues with arcs Apr 05 21:03:03 be warned Apr 05 21:03:26 what are we warning about? Apr 05 21:03:27 screw it, I'll just use and move them around Apr 05 21:03:27 lol Apr 05 21:03:48 maybe i should post my sprite lib Apr 05 21:03:55 nah ill keep it formyself Apr 05 21:03:58 PatrickC_Pre2: slightly dodgy canvas support Apr 05 21:04:06 and you can't use alpha transparency on canvas Apr 05 21:04:08 so no rgba Apr 05 21:04:12 yes you can Apr 05 21:04:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs SVG support Apr 05 21:04:15 i do it in my app Apr 05 21:04:20 what??? Apr 05 21:04:24 yep Apr 05 21:04:26 PatrickC_Pre2: That's what started the conversation :P Apr 05 21:04:33 lol Apr 05 21:04:33 I tried it on my app and I couldn't get it to work like it did in chrome Apr 05 21:04:48 dawm_: my canvas had issues with globalCompositeOperation='xor'; Apr 05 21:04:48 i had no problems doing it Apr 05 21:04:49 PatrickC_Pre2: Was planning to do a simple turn based game in SVG Apr 05 21:04:54 dawm_: pretty annoying Apr 05 21:05:05 if you find a good SVG to to Canvas converter, let me know Apr 05 21:05:10 i dont have issues with canvas in how i use it Apr 05 21:05:17 what I was trying to do was fillRect on the entire canvas using rgba Apr 05 21:05:19 so, I will pay $5 for the first Sinistar clone that uses tilt control Apr 05 21:05:20 my issue is cpu usage and the fail of a whale html5 audio is Apr 05 21:05:31 PatrickC_Pre2: I recall a js library that's described as svg for canvas Apr 05 21:05:32 rsanchez1, i do that in my app Apr 05 21:05:36 ask dave, he's used it Apr 05 21:05:42 dave my gameover screen tints right? Apr 05 21:05:47 what did I do? Apr 05 21:05:51 oh, yeah Apr 05 21:05:57 yes, it does Apr 05 21:06:03 that's how I do traces in canvas, using rgba Apr 05 21:06:37 yeah i use a 50% trans rect and draw an image on top for my gameover screen Apr 05 21:07:19 dawm_: which game? Apr 05 21:07:30 the one that i have to conver to PDK and learn C Apr 05 21:07:37 gah, you see here is how I do it in the browser: https://github.com/rsanchez1/Grav/blob/master/grav-runge-kutta.js#L545 Apr 05 21:08:01 yeah i think your alpha value is wrong Apr 05 21:08:03 and here is how I do it on webOS: https://github.com/rsanchez1/Grav/blob/webos/Grav/app/assistants/main-assistant.js#L738 Apr 05 21:08:04 its 0.0 Apr 05 21:08:16 except I commented it out in webOS because I couldn't get it working right Apr 05 21:08:21 zerodotzero Apr 05 21:08:30 i dont think it goes as deep as 0.001 Apr 05 21:08:48 I've tried it in chrome and that's as deep as you can get it before it behaves as 0.0 Apr 05 21:09:00 in device webkit i mean Apr 05 21:09:12 this is how i do it Apr 05 21:09:14 drawRect({w:width, h:height, color: 'rgba(0,0,0,0.5)'}); Apr 05 21:09:32 and drawRect is just a helper func so i dont have to retype the rect stuff Apr 05 21:09:49 var drawRect = function(rect) { Apr 05 21:09:49 ctx.fillStyle = rect.color; Apr 05 21:09:49 ctx.beginPath(); Apr 05 21:09:49 ctx.rect((rect.x ? rect.x : 0), (rect.y ? rect.y : 0), rect.w, rect.h); Apr 05 21:09:49 ctx.closePath(); Apr 05 21:09:50 ctx.fill(); Apr 05 21:09:52 } Apr 05 21:09:56 ph34r Apr 05 21:10:30 maybe doing beginPath, rect, closePath, fill will work better than fillRect Apr 05 21:17:24 oh, wait looks like I had a typo in there Apr 05 21:18:14 oh wow, all this time I thought it didn't work, but it turns out it was a typo Apr 05 21:18:18 ;] Apr 05 21:18:29 'rgba(0, 0, 0 0.5)' Apr 05 21:18:30 shoulda used Array() instead of {} Apr 05 21:18:30 hahaha Apr 05 21:18:46 thanks Apr 05 21:19:34 heh Apr 05 21:20:00 it's too bad rgba makes it a little slower though Apr 05 21:26:55 ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Apr 05 21:28:22 yes Apr 05 21:29:59 why? I didn't do anything -_- Apr 05 21:48:59 i can import an online js framework in sources.json right? Apr 05 21:49:07 yup Apr 05 21:49:10 so like Apr 05 21:49:11 {"source": "http://connect.facebook.net/en_US/all.js"}, Apr 05 21:49:38 theoretically Apr 05 21:49:41 oh Apr 05 21:49:50 hmm Apr 05 21:49:52 err, I thought you were referencing a local resource Apr 05 21:49:55 I don't know if you can do that Apr 05 21:50:02 I dunno about online resources Apr 05 21:50:02 you can do it in the index.html with a script tag Apr 05 21:50:18 that's what i had first... lemme try that again Apr 05 21:52:24 oh joy Apr 05 21:52:25 Error: Cannot call method 'appendChild' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined, Apr 05 21:54:58 cwayne1: I only have heard of people doing it, I'm not sure HOW you are supposed to do it :) Apr 05 21:55:20 sugardave: hah, me too! also, this facebook api is about as cool as aids Apr 05 21:55:55 cwayne1: Kool Aid? Apr 05 21:55:58 * Popple3 hides Apr 05 21:56:02 nah, bad aids Apr 05 21:56:21 cwayne1: save the file and include it in your app? Apr 05 21:57:20 valid until the API changes Apr 05 21:59:15 :( Apr 05 22:01:12 WHEN IS THE VEER COMING? Apr 05 22:01:23 dohtem: "soon" Apr 05 22:01:26 :P Apr 05 22:01:32 :( Apr 05 22:02:03 I wonder, do HPalm run on Valve Time... Apr 05 22:02:05 http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time Apr 05 22:04:40 But yeah, I'd actually rather a Veer than Pre3 to be honest. I love the size of my Pre 2 coming from a HTC Desire, I don't wanna go back to a big screen Apr 05 22:05:07 how much bigger is the Pre3? It can't be that much Apr 05 22:05:43 3.58" Apr 05 22:05:50 I know it's not massive Apr 05 22:05:53 but still Apr 05 22:05:57 less than .5" bigger? Apr 05 22:06:03 yes :P Apr 05 22:06:08 it makes a difference Apr 05 22:06:10 come on :P Apr 05 22:06:25 oh wait, Veer is 2.6" Apr 05 22:06:27 sounds too small Apr 05 22:06:28 lol Apr 05 22:06:33 yes, it is tiny Apr 05 22:06:40 I'd be afraid of losing it Apr 05 22:06:52 I thought it was just gonna be a small bit smaller than the Pixi Apr 05 22:07:03 "is that a phone in your pocket or are you NOT happy to see me?" Apr 05 22:07:09 haha Apr 05 22:07:13 wait.... Apr 05 22:07:17 * Popple3 is very slow today Apr 05 22:07:21 same screen size as pixi Apr 05 22:07:36 Popple3: Vixi as dawm_ named it Apr 05 22:07:43 well, 0.03" smaller :P Apr 05 22:07:47 so what are we arguing about in javascript today? Apr 05 22:08:06 dohtem: Indeed. Makes sense :P Apr 05 22:09:40 Tibfib: How about.... var myObj = { func : function() { doStuff(); } } vs using myObj.prototype.func = function() { doStuff(); }? :P Apr 05 22:10:01 hmm Apr 05 22:10:08 I like the first one Apr 05 22:10:35 I prefer the second one Apr 05 22:10:36 :P Apr 05 22:10:50 READY! FIGHT! Apr 05 22:10:52 hmm, is there any performance difference? Apr 05 22:11:22 good question Apr 05 22:11:24 * Popple3 googles Apr 05 22:11:34 Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration. Apr 05 22:11:40 FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU FACEBOOK Apr 05 22:13:18 cwayne1: kill it with fire Apr 05 22:13:23 Popple3: id love to Apr 05 22:13:29 all im trying to do is add a fucking like button Apr 05 22:13:52 cwayne1: Could you not just use the iframe version...? Apr 05 22:14:14 you should make a button that when you tap says "Whatever, 'liking' on Facebook is lame" Apr 05 22:14:25 lol Apr 05 22:14:27 it is Apr 05 22:14:37 Popple3: when i used the iframe version it pooped its pants Apr 05 22:14:38 Facebook Share button > Like Button Apr 05 22:15:00 Popple3: luls Apr 05 22:15:07 Tibfib: Seemingly there's no performance difference, but they do act differently Apr 05 22:15:08 i could just use the wonderful GRAPH API then! Apr 05 22:15:19 Popple3: oh? Apr 05 22:15:20 link? Apr 05 22:15:32 Tibfib: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/310870/use-of-prototype-vs-this-in-javascript Apr 05 22:16:52 Popple3: can you pass additonal parameters to a webview? Apr 05 22:17:19 * Popple3 is only working on his first webOS app and has no need to look into webview :P Apr 05 22:17:53 cwayne1: ^ Apr 05 22:17:55 lol didnt mean to ping you specifically sorry Apr 05 22:18:00 anyone know? Apr 05 22:18:05 lol no worries Apr 05 22:18:08 Popple3: interesting Apr 05 22:18:17 looks like the only viable way to do a stupid like button is to use a webview with the iframe.. Apr 05 22:18:41 cwayne1: Couldn't you just use the iframe url in the webview instead? Apr 05 22:18:50 forget about the iframe altogether Apr 05 22:19:04 stop being smarter than me i dont like it Apr 05 22:19:09 i mean, perhaps. Apr 05 22:19:14 :P Apr 05 22:21:15 hmm, my app catalog no longer works Apr 05 22:21:18 cwayne1: for what it's worth I spend ~7 hours in work coding JS, and then continue when I get home with my own projects :P Apr 05 22:21:23 Tibfib: Mine never did :( Apr 05 22:21:35 well I'm on an activated pre2 on at&t Apr 05 22:21:38 it used to Apr 05 22:21:39 Popple3: that does help :p im just a lowly qa analyst Apr 05 22:22:33 ello Apr 05 22:24:08 nyceane: 'ello 'ello 'ello Apr 05 22:24:52 Tibfib: I'm on a Pre 2 activated on an unsupported network Apr 05 22:25:03 hmm, got a profile? Apr 05 22:25:10 indeed Apr 05 22:25:19 weird Apr 05 22:25:36 so close Apr 05 22:25:55 Tibfib: I find it funny though that I managed to somehow activate a Verizon Pixi Plus in Ireland and get app catalog Apr 05 22:26:08 heheh nice Apr 05 22:26:37 I wonder if it'd be possible to swap comm boards between a Pixi+ and Pre-.... Apr 05 22:26:40 * Popple3 strokes chin Apr 05 22:26:47 Popple3, was it previously activated before you got it? Apr 05 22:26:55 pixi and pre com board are different Apr 05 22:27:09 but pre/pre+/pre2 are interchangeable Apr 05 22:27:19 RagingMind: I was thinking that alright Apr 05 22:27:41 hmpf Popple3 didnt seem to like that either... Apr 05 22:27:46 Popple3, how are you? Apr 05 22:27:59 RagingMind: Nope, was coming up saying it couldn't contact Verizon to activate, then I meta doctored with a bypass activation, ran first run app, created profile over wifi Apr 05 22:28:43 I rarely use object.prototype.newProperty, but that's just because I don't understand it...only use it in Mojo so far :) Apr 05 22:29:08 sugardave: It's _kinda_ like OOP JS Apr 05 22:29:11 Except it's not Apr 05 22:29:12 lol Apr 05 22:29:29 well, it is...just prototypal instead Apr 05 22:30:18 I didn't understand it until about a month ago, and I since restructured my entire project in work to use prototype, was much more flexible for what I wanted Apr 05 22:34:47 my webview is being a dick. Apr 05 22:35:32 maybe it's just misunderstood Apr 05 22:35:37 cwayne1: Anything in particular happening, or just nothing? Apr 05 22:35:59 maybe you should open a dialog with it Apr 05 22:36:16 find out what YOU can do to make its life better Apr 05 22:36:35 Popple3: nothing that should be below it is being done, but im not getting any error Apr 05 22:37:24 * Tibfib really really really wishes there was an early access irc channel Apr 05 22:37:36 uh-oh...now we need to fear radioactive tuna Apr 05 22:37:42 FEAR, EVERYONE! Apr 05 22:38:05 sugardave: So THAT's why my tuna was glowing green last night Apr 05 22:38:54 so does virtualpageheight: not work anymore Apr 05 22:39:16 cwayne1: no Apr 05 22:39:19 deprecated Apr 05 22:39:20 Tuna is awesome but it's sad that it's so heavily over fished :( Apr 05 22:39:31 … And that something like 80% of it goes to Japan Apr 05 22:39:32 so i cant explicitly say how high i want my webview anymore? Apr 05 22:39:34 That's a lot of tuna Apr 05 22:39:56 cwayne1: that's PAGE height....you can set the bound height width via CSS, I think Apr 05 22:40:02 time to eat, bbl Apr 05 22:41:19 god damnit this is frustrating Apr 05 22:53:21 cwayne1: for instance, you can have an arbitrarily sized area that the webview sits in, the pagesize thing is how much it will scroll or if it continues to scroll beyond the actual page height Apr 05 22:55:14 nyceane: Just realised I was a bit of a snob earlier (well, I just missed your message). I'm good other than being tired. Yourself? Apr 05 22:55:28 its still fucking up the rest of my scene below it though Apr 05 22:56:21 cwayne1: Would it by any chance be a syntax error in your HTML? Apr 05 22:57:35 cwayne: Or your JS, although that seems to stop the scene from loading at all Apr 05 22:58:30 Popple3: if it is, im not sure where it'd be... Apr 05 22:58:36 tuna sounds super tasty right now Apr 05 22:58:50 cwayne: For your JS, run it through jslint.com Apr 05 22:59:29 for html, http://validator.w3.org/ should help Apr 05 23:00:21 be prepared to get destroyed by jslint Apr 05 23:01:06 indeed. The warning is apt Apr 05 23:01:08 "WARNING: JSLint will hurt your feelings." Apr 05 23:01:18 * cwayne doesn't wanna feel more stupid :( Apr 05 23:01:40 but so theortetically right, i could have something like Apr 05 23:01:42 Apr 05 23:01:42 Dear HPalm, more VPN options, please? Apr 05 23:01:42 cwayne: Don't worry, what it will bitch about is probably just to do with Mojo, and can be ignored Apr 05 23:02:32 actually, speaking of VPNs, am I gone crazy/blind, or are there no proxy settings in webOS? Apr 05 23:02:58 and then just have Apr 05 23:02:59 div.like{ Apr 05 23:02:59 height:35px; Apr 05 23:02:59 background:#333; Apr 05 23:02:59 } Apr 05 23:03:11 cwayne: the logic is sound to me anyway Apr 05 23:04:27 and it just looks like none of that css is being adhered to... bg is still white too Apr 05 23:04:52 well, it's being filled with webview, you have no control over the webview's background colour Apr 05 23:04:59 the like button uses a white background Apr 05 23:05:40 I think Apr 05 23:05:47 supposed to be transparent i thought Apr 05 23:05:54 actually yeah, you're right Apr 05 23:06:13 might be a different story coz you're using webview instead of iframe though? Apr 05 23:06:53 * cwayne wishes iframes would work Apr 05 23:08:56 but it seems weird that nothing below it is shown, its not just like pushed down real far Apr 05 23:12:14 cwayne: webview is working for me... :/ Apr 05 23:12:21 it's tiny, but it's displaying Apr 05 23:12:32 for a like button? Apr 05 23:12:37 yeah Apr 05 23:12:51 herp, can you pasteview how you set it up maybe? maybe im retarded and missed something Apr 05 23:12:55 (likely) Apr 05 23:13:32 s/pasteview/pastebin Apr 05 23:14:10 its gotta be something int he js.... Apr 05 23:14:57 cwayne: http://pastebin.com/fiupRciF Apr 05 23:15:15 cwayne: only problem is, it's tiny Apr 05 23:16:15 Popple3: im so confused, that's very similar to what i have.. Apr 05 23:17:17 lol i tried EXACTLY what you had and it still doesnt work right Apr 05 23:17:32 * sugardave blames cwayne. Apr 05 23:17:34 still isn't creating any of the stuff below it Apr 05 23:17:43 cwayne: actually, what version of webOS are you running? Apr 05 23:17:57 1.4.5 Apr 05 23:18:11 where are you running the setupWidget() ? Apr 05 23:18:28 in the scenes setup() Apr 05 23:18:39 it shows up.. it just gets fubared Apr 05 23:18:42 cwayne: working the exact same here for both 1.4.5 and 2.1 Apr 05 23:19:08 cwayne: now paste yours and let's see Apr 05 23:21:20 http://pastebin.com/5UA1CMzh Apr 05 23:24:33 so, in Popple3's example, his href= parameter has http:// included with it but escaped Apr 05 23:24:41 not sure if that will make a crap Apr 05 23:24:49 sugardave: Doesn't matter, the URL still works in a browser Apr 05 23:24:55 k Apr 05 23:25:06 * Popple3 ponders Apr 05 23:25:10 sugardave: yeah, i tried that too Apr 05 23:25:11 lol Apr 05 23:26:05 and its not js somewhere else, cus if i comment out the setupWidget line, everythings fine Apr 05 23:28:51 well, even if you get that working, I can't see any way to make the like button actually appear at a usable size Apr 05 23:29:19 i had it sized differently like an hour ago, cant for the life of me remember how now... Apr 05 23:29:37 goddamn facebook could've made this 1000000 times easier Apr 05 23:31:32 just be glad they didn't decide to make it 1000000 times harder Apr 05 23:31:38 virtualpagewidth and virtualpageheight still work (on both 1.4.5 and 2.1) but they are deprecated... Apr 05 23:31:56 i tried to set those too, and nothin Apr 05 23:32:15 Popple3: oh yeah? I had horrible luck with them, luckily I was in control of the source so I could use the "real" way to set my height/width Apr 05 23:32:25 i think theres an error somewhere causing it to not continue on with the js, cus if it was just too big, wouldnt all the shit below it just be pushed down? Apr 05 23:33:16 Popple3: when you did it, what'd your html look like? maybe im super retarded... Apr 05 23:33:21 cwayne: Did you try jslint.com? Apr 05 23:33:29 Popple3: yah, nothing about that though Apr 05 23:33:32
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Apr 05 23:33:44 almost exactly the same Apr 05 23:33:44 yay Apr 05 23:33:48 I have the box, but same thing Apr 05 23:34:15 actually, the emulators on version 1.4.1, not that that likely matters Apr 05 23:34:42 I'm running on a Pre 2 and Pre Apr 05 23:35:07 yah just ran it on the pre2, same thing Apr 05 23:37:19 * cwayne sure is confused Apr 05 23:37:24 maybe its just not meant to be Apr 05 23:37:25 lol Apr 05 23:37:28 cwayne: Here's how it looks: http://i.imgur.com/kyTUN.png Apr 05 23:38:02 obviously needs tweaking to look nice, but there it is Apr 05 23:38:16 does it work? Apr 05 23:38:34 yup, even uses the logged in session from the browser Apr 05 23:39:16 maybe its something with my url also.. Apr 05 23:39:29 the url works fine in a browser though Apr 05 23:39:40 also, when i copied
instead of doing it in my css file... now the stuff on the bottom i can see, although i can't scroll now? Apr 05 23:40:17 I can scroll no problem Apr 05 23:40:33 WHY DOES EVERYTHING HATE ME Apr 05 23:40:34 lol Apr 05 23:40:35 actually Apr 05 23:40:36 wait Apr 05 23:40:39 I can't Apr 05 23:40:48 coz it doesn't go longer than the page :P Apr 05 23:41:06 * Popple3 tests Apr 05 23:41:40 yeah, I can still scroll Apr 05 23:42:03 i am so thoroughly confused. Apr 05 23:42:20 sugardave: how many more hoops? Apr 05 23:42:30 yay Azumanga Daioh @_@ Apr 05 23:42:35 SineOt: :D Apr 05 23:43:33 I should really finish it... :/ Apr 05 23:45:33 I'm really wishing I had some drive right now… But such is being crippling depressed! :I Apr 05 23:46:40 * cwayne literally wants to stab facebook Apr 05 23:46:41 I should go to bed, but I have too much drive right now Apr 05 23:48:36 I fell asleep in work this morning. Good thing I go in early when there's nobody around Apr 05 23:48:37 lol Apr 05 23:49:51 Popple3: did you get it to resize with virtualpageheight? Apr 05 23:49:57 yeah Apr 05 23:50:09 it seems to be quite erratic, but it works Apr 05 23:51:24 HARHASUBSDHBADFG Apr 05 23:51:34 Popple3: lol not for me weird Apr 05 23:52:16 lappytop has to go in... Apr 05 23:52:41 cwayne: well, to get it to that size, within a 100x100 div, I set the virtual height and width to 300x300 Apr 05 23:52:52 oh lol Apr 05 23:53:04 like I said, quite erratic Apr 05 23:53:06 :P Apr 05 23:53:16 dohtem, :) Apr 05 23:53:25 hmm, maybe i should go back to just figuring out a way to use their js api... Apr 05 23:53:57 cwayne: Good luck to you :P Apr 05 23:54:33 Popple3: hah thanks.. id like to do it this way... but it seems damn near impossible with my stupitiy Apr 05 23:54:45 * cwayne laughs that he can't even spell stupidity Apr 05 23:54:51 maybe its time to start drinking instead Apr 05 23:54:57 lol Apr 05 23:55:06 hey, some people are great coders when they're drunk :P Apr 05 23:56:03 * haeffb *thinks* I'm a great coder when I'm drunk Apr 05 23:56:26 but it never looks quite right the next day Apr 05 23:57:02 haeffb: I hope you use svn or git or something so you can roll back those drunken changes :P Apr 05 23:57:37 damn, that would be a good idea. Apr 05 23:57:43 * cwayne does that :) Apr 06 00:00:33 cwayne: You'll be (possibly) happy to know, the js api doesn't work for me either Apr 06 00:00:50 Popple3: i can kind of get it to start working almost Apr 06 00:01:13 cwayne: ...? Apr 06 00:01:21 but you cant create the like button before a FB.init() and FB.init() takes them to the browser and away from my app Apr 06 00:04:10 you want them to like the app right? Apr 06 00:04:16 nope Apr 06 00:04:17 specific posts Apr 06 00:04:24 app would be alot easier Apr 06 00:04:27 how are they to link back to it? Apr 06 00:04:42 Popple3: got the scrolling thing sorted out! Apr 06 00:04:47 if it was the app, you could steal a link off any blog that does it, and replace the url with the app package url Apr 06 00:04:55 Popple3: still cant resize though Apr 06 00:04:57 dont really need fb connect to like Apr 06 00:05:19 dawm_: i'd be running into essentially the same problem doing it that way though Apr 06 00:05:28 haeffb: man, hopefully only one more hoop tomorrow Apr 06 00:05:38 * cwayne really needs a drink Apr 06 00:06:24 Popple3: any thoughts on how to change the bg color? Apr 06 00:08:14 http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like/ Apr 06 00:08:27 needs a url to 'like' Apr 06 00:08:34 dawm_: yeah... that's what im using Apr 06 00:08:36 only thing you can really do is the app url Apr 06 00:08:48 nah, i can make the url a link to the specific post Apr 06 00:08:51 thats not where the problem is Apr 06 00:09:02 is it a reader? Apr 06 00:09:06 are the posts outside the app? Apr 06 00:09:29 yeah Apr 06 00:09:40 that page cant work, cus iframes Apr 06 00:09:45 and xfbml Apr 06 00:10:18 ajax the url it generates Apr 06 00:10:26 dump its contents where you need it Apr 06 00:10:37 likewise in this chan, anyone done the "delete and restore contacts" thing recently? Trying to figure it out Apr 06 00:10:39 no more iframe Apr 06 00:11:28 so just make my own button then bind it to an ajax.request of the same url? Apr 06 00:15:19 idk Apr 06 00:15:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves to cwayne Apr 06 00:16:15 yo PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 06 00:16:19 cwayne: was just playing around with trying to change the background colour, but no luck I'm afraid Apr 06 00:16:24 what's up? Apr 06 00:16:44 Popple3: yah... i thought it was supposed to be transparent and everything :( Apr 06 00:16:48 PatrickC_Pre2: facebook is a jerk Apr 06 00:16:57 lol.. why? Apr 06 00:17:32 implementing a like button is very difficuly Apr 06 00:17:57 hehe Apr 06 00:18:08 I was thinking something along the lines of: Apr 06 00:18:08 this.controller.get("likebutton").mojo.openURL("javascript: document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].style.backgroundColor = '#ccc';"); Apr 06 00:18:32 no dice though? Apr 06 00:18:42 nope Apr 06 00:18:52 although I could be doing something wrong Apr 06 00:19:24 facebook give you the code to put "like" buttons into a webpage Apr 06 00:19:24 cwayne: I'm calling it for the Mojo.Event.webViewLoadStopped event Apr 06 00:19:31 which _could_ be wrong Apr 06 00:19:48 PatrickC_Pre2: Yeah, you'd think that would work, but no.... Apr 06 00:19:49 lol Apr 06 00:20:04 PatrickC_Pre2: yeah weve been running around that for hours now Apr 06 00:20:05 wow... Apr 06 00:20:09 lol Apr 06 00:20:12 cus its an iframe Apr 06 00:20:26 opens up a browser card instead of loading Apr 06 00:20:32 inline Apr 06 00:21:12 you could in theory just make a .html of that iframe code and make a webview of that, but that wouldnt work for me either Apr 06 00:21:45 why not? Apr 06 00:21:55 yell at facebook to fix it lol Apr 06 00:22:33 PatrickC_Pre2: The strange thing is, I can get it to render properly(-ish), but cwayne can't using the same code as me Apr 06 00:22:47 hmmm Apr 06 00:23:01 PatrickC_Pre2: this is what I managed: http://i.imgur.com/kyTUN.png Apr 06 00:23:28 Popple3: cus i need to change the url withint he url for each post Apr 06 00:24:06 and? use PHP or something, pass the value that changes to your wrapper Apr 06 00:24:28 how? thats what i was trying to figure out Apr 06 00:24:38 or i could make my site actually make a page with the right shit then just webview that Apr 06 00:24:39 lol Apr 06 00:24:48 * PatrickC_Pre2 is lost in all this PHP mumbo jumbo Apr 06 00:25:08 so your url for your webview could be: http://example.com/mylikebutton.php?id=100 Apr 06 00:25:16 which will then generate the like button for post id 100 Apr 06 00:25:27 with the right background Apr 06 00:25:42 and whatever other stuff needs changing Apr 06 00:25:43 does webOS support m4v? Apr 06 00:26:01 Popple3: yeah, i considered that before, maybe i should look into it more Apr 06 00:26:10 as long as it's h264@baseline cwayne: Or better yet, forget using PHP, you can use fragments and let JS handle it in the webview Apr 06 00:26:39 SineOt: how do I check that? Apr 06 00:26:40 http://example.com/mylikebutton.html#100 Apr 06 00:26:48 noo idea how to do that Apr 06 00:26:51 then in the onload, get that fragment, create like button Apr 06 00:27:09 ah hm Apr 06 00:27:45 to get the 100, you just use window.location.hash Apr 06 00:27:51 play it on your computer and see if there's a "Video Properties" etc Apr 06 00:28:28 ok, it was a digital copy that I ripped in with iTunes (stupid program) and I'm trying to put it on my pre2 Apr 06 00:29:59 Digital Copies are DRM'd broheim Apr 06 00:30:12 what's that lol Apr 06 00:30:16 ^^ DRM Apr 06 00:30:23 digital rights management Apr 06 00:30:31 * PatrickC_Pre2 should probably google.. Apr 06 00:30:35 it won't play since the Pre doesn't have FairPlay Apr 06 00:30:39 and yes, you should Apr 06 00:31:04 cwayne: you should be able to then control the background colour, size, etc. to make it appear correctly in a webview Apr 06 00:31:16 I googled a m4v to mp4 converter, and found one.. but it probably won't get around the DRM Apr 06 00:31:27 nope Apr 06 00:31:32 :'( Apr 06 00:31:40 cwayne: There'd be a small overhead on the server, but it might be the best solution, even if it is pretty hacky Apr 06 00:31:42 Popple3: yeah, i was trying to avoid that as it seemed too hacky, but desperate times... Apr 06 00:31:47 so, its not playable on the pre at all (in any format) Apr 06 00:31:55 Popple3, cwayne: isn't this something that might be made easier with Node.js hackery? Apr 06 00:32:11 would that work in 1.4.5 though? Apr 06 00:32:18 cwayne: no Apr 06 00:32:37 SineOt: like 99% of the people using my app are still 1.4.5... so id like it to work for them Apr 06 00:32:56 cwayne: can you see that? Apr 06 00:33:16 from my apache access log :) Apr 06 00:33:19 hay madnificent! how's the tasks app comin? Apr 06 00:33:21 cwayne: there's always a point of diminishing returns though. It might be worth just leaving that out on the 1.4.5 version and just start building in the future ready stuff for 2.x Apr 06 00:33:30 PatrickC_Pre2: ready for review at palm . . . Apr 06 00:33:40 so, submitted? Apr 06 00:33:43 PatrickC_Pre2: yup Apr 06 00:33:44 I wonder, can you create a webview using a local html file... Apr 06 00:33:52 Popple3: i believe you can Apr 06 00:33:55 PatrickC_Pre2: it has a boring manual now :) Apr 06 00:34:05 popple3: that would be cool Apr 06 00:34:10 2.x is going to land in a pretty big way when the Veer launches and is followed by the TouchPad and Pre3, not to mention all the 2.1 on Pre+/Pre- stuff that's going on Apr 06 00:34:11 madnificent: :) lol Apr 06 00:34:19 2.x has node.js built in? Apr 06 00:34:31 hrm, maybe I should start using that sooner Apr 06 00:34:33 yup Apr 06 00:34:37 * madnificent believes in Tim's @ P|C's writing powerz! Apr 06 00:34:39 but it doesn't work on 1.4.5? Apr 06 00:34:43 cwayne: That could work so, using the window.location.hash to generate the necessary like button Apr 06 00:34:45 correct Apr 06 00:34:47 I'm out of here for now, peace Apr 06 00:34:50 I don't really care about 2.x stuff I can't use on my own phone Apr 06 00:34:55 1.4.5 does not ship with Node.js, but 2.x does Apr 06 00:35:02 jettero: what device do you have? Apr 06 00:35:02 few more months then Apr 06 00:35:03 jettero: dev phone? Apr 06 00:35:08 original sprint pre- Apr 06 00:35:20 jettero: I have a qwertz pre- Apr 06 00:35:25 jettero: meta doctor Apr 06 00:35:52 when I can get someting going 2.x on sprint I'll get more excited... until then, I wait Apr 06 00:35:59 * madnificent wonders how much more time it will take palm to review his app (not complaining yet though) Apr 06 00:36:25 jettero: I run my pre- on sprint with 2.1 Apr 06 00:36:37 madnificent: when did you submit it? Apr 06 00:36:44 Right, I'm gonna head to bed before I doze off in front of my monitor Apr 06 00:36:55 lol.. night popple3 Apr 06 00:36:58 Good luck with your like button cwayne, I have a feeling you'll need it Apr 06 00:37:00 lol Apr 06 00:37:00 PatrickC_Pre2: Saturday CET, I think Apr 06 00:37:03 but that is very damned exciting Apr 06 00:37:09 :/ Apr 06 00:37:12 thanks Apr 06 00:37:21 jettero: it took like 30 min to set up... Apr 06 00:37:23 04-02-2011 in that crazy us format Apr 06 00:37:38 night all Apr 06 00:37:45 ok, should be through in a few (20) days Apr 06 00:37:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks Apr 06 00:38:04 LoL, srsly though Apr 06 00:38:17 oh right, I was wondering: does palm send me a mail when it's been approved/disapproved? Apr 06 00:38:21 it should be done in the next day or 2 (probably) Apr 06 00:38:28 no they dont.. afaik Apr 06 00:38:36 oh, ok... Apr 06 00:38:49 I'll stick with continuously refreshing the page then Apr 06 00:39:14 jettero: http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade?wasRedirected=true Apr 06 00:39:38 oh, cwayne, I just noticed something Apr 06 00:39:42 ^^ will get your pre- running 2.1 quite nicely :) Apr 06 00:39:47 PatrickC_Pre2: if you were asking for a new beta, I can send it to you Apr 06 00:39:55 Popple3: oh? Apr 06 00:40:08 cwayne: My idea of using the openURL method Apr 06 00:40:11 I haven't used it as much as I should.. (don't really understand how to use it :p ) Apr 06 00:40:13 it may work after all Apr 06 00:40:26 I just saw an error in my terminal "Error: Cannot call method 'openURL' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined" Apr 06 00:40:30 I messed something up Apr 06 00:40:37 might be worth having a look yourself Apr 06 00:40:38 PatrickC_Pre2: P|C should have an article on it soon. The help does explain it though. But it isn't the most interesting to read. Apr 06 00:40:48 well help... it's called manual for a reason, I guess Apr 06 00:40:54 lol Apr 06 00:41:08 does it read it to me out loud? :) Apr 06 00:42:23 yes, but it uses your brain, eyes and mouth as a communication channel. So it only does that if you are compatible. Apr 06 00:42:35 lol Apr 06 00:42:42 bbl time to go shoppin Apr 06 00:43:05 but I can still talk for a second :) Apr 06 00:43:08 LoL Apr 06 00:43:16 yeah, here's hoping Sprint carries at least the Pre3 :p Apr 06 00:43:16 my Pixi is getting long in the tooth Apr 06 00:43:16 You could always use the Metadoctor scripts to get it running on your Pre- Apr 06 00:43:17 I was running 2.1 on my Pre+ for a while before rolling back to 1.4.5 to have a device to test with... Apr 06 00:43:17 Since my Personal Pixi is over clocked and patched to hell and kind of a bad test bed for a "stock" device. Apr 06 00:43:53 cwayne: So you could take a look at that, see what happens. Just another option of how to solve it. Everything is gonna be hacky in some way by the looks of things, so you can experiment with each really Apr 06 00:44:00 sineot: all my devices are overclocked and patched the heck out of lol Apr 06 00:44:08 *how to _potentially_ solve it Apr 06 00:44:37 madnificent: my brain isn't compatible with my body lol Apr 06 00:44:48 SineOt: I sometimes deliberately clock my pre to 250Mhz to see how it works in a stressed out world :) Apr 06 00:44:58 haha Apr 06 00:45:05 PatrickC_Away: hehe Apr 06 00:47:14 cwayne: and once again, I bid you adieu. If you do get it working somehow, PM me (I'm using a bouncer), I'd like to see how you managed it, might then be worth creating a simple to use wrapper for it all. new FBLikeButton(url); would be pretty sweet :P Apr 06 00:47:49 madnificent: I've clocked my Pixi to 125 :I Apr 06 00:47:51 it's painful Apr 06 00:48:26 sineot: wow.. Apr 06 00:48:51 I regularly clocked it to 320 when it was on a charger + in my car Apr 06 00:49:32 bbl Apr 06 00:50:07 SineOt: it gives you a good testbed Apr 06 01:03:27 fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Apr 06 01:04:13 so, it's working, then? Apr 06 01:15:32 lol Apr 06 01:15:50 so im doin it all hacky, now coming across this: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=fa7ad91123138d05c66fdc291200bb7f&lastaction=login&f=55&t=8111 Apr 06 01:19:35 sugardave: any idea on that one? Apr 06 01:24:44 cwayne: did you do what he said? make an Ajax request to the URL, add that tag in the response and use the modified response in the webview? Apr 06 01:25:41 but I would set height as well as width and use device-height and device-width, respectively, instead of hard numbers Apr 06 01:30:42 sugardave: i put the meta-tag on the actual server, since i run it Apr 06 01:30:47 it just looks like its being ignored Apr 06 01:31:29 hmmm, now I know I got that working, pastebin your meta tag? Apr 06 01:31:38 cwayne: ^^^ Apr 06 01:31:40 Apr 06 01:31:48 k Apr 06 01:31:55 hang on Apr 06 01:36:22 cwayne: try Apr 06 01:36:23 Apr 06 01:36:26 ? Apr 06 01:36:56 sugardave: sure thing. also it seems to work alot better on my pre2... just noticed the old sdk iw as using is 1.4.1.. too old? Apr 06 01:37:07 it's possible Apr 06 01:37:15 you should update Apr 06 01:37:32 only devices on 1.4.1 are in mexico? Apr 06 01:37:38 Yeah, viewports are one of the things that has been getting updates more recently Apr 06 01:37:38 I think so Apr 06 01:37:54 well i'd need this to work in 1.4.5 ideally too Apr 06 01:38:21 cwayne: it SHOULD Apr 06 01:38:30 well yeah Apr 06 01:38:40 think theres a big jump in viewports from 1.4.1 to 1.4.5? Apr 06 01:38:49 meaning it works in apps I wrote for a client in 1.4.5 Apr 06 01:39:58 hmm i thought i'd had the 1.4.5 sdk, guess i was wrong.. lemme try and find it somewhere Apr 06 01:40:04 cwayne: if it's working for others, and not working on the 1.4.1 sdk… probably Apr 06 01:40:33 cwayne: hmm, not sure you can get at the 1.4.5 SDK currently... Apr 06 01:41:15 anyone happen to have the deb then? Apr 06 01:41:16 lol Apr 06 01:42:54 chuqui says it's not available at the moment https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12555 Apr 06 01:43:54 haeffb: yah, i figured that.. was just hoping someone happened to have it lol Apr 06 01:45:23 but he's trying to make it available again Apr 06 01:47:10 well now it works on my phone Apr 06 01:47:19 but literally everyone that currently uses the app is 1.4.5 Apr 06 01:49:06 do you not have a 1.4.5 phone? Apr 06 01:49:16 btw, nobody else can distribute the 1.4.5 SDK if they have it Apr 06 01:51:37 nobody else can legally distribute it, no :p Apr 06 01:52:41 In other news: PONIES http://cl.ly/302j2a361M3E1R2J3s1b Apr 06 01:53:06 sugardave: i don't :( Apr 06 01:54:27 cwayne: I or somebody else with 1.4.5 could try it out and see if it's the right size Apr 06 01:54:36 MOST of us are trustworthy Apr 06 01:54:43 (not haeffb) Apr 06 01:54:47 lol Apr 06 02:01:55 are webview popups disabled by default? Apr 06 02:02:11 hmm, is it odd to get a lower sum deposited to paypal than shown in the "reports" page? Apr 06 02:02:55 It's probably Paypal going "hehehe FEES" Apr 06 02:02:59 and just generally being crappy Apr 06 02:03:12 as they tend to do Apr 06 02:03:21 even saying 1 euro === 1 dollar, the sum deposited is 70 dollars less than what I got in paypal Apr 06 02:03:54 with the euro conversion it is over $100 off Apr 06 02:04:12 I'd probably contact palm about that Apr 06 02:04:13 looks like it's time to send chuq another email. Apr 06 02:04:55 With a multiline text field, when I hit enter, it briefly scrolls up before snapping back to the position it was in. Any suggestions? Apr 06 02:05:13 Multiline text fields are weird! Apr 06 02:05:16 that's all I have to say XD Apr 06 02:05:26 we'll have a baby on the gravy rainbow... Apr 06 02:12:01 lolwut Apr 06 02:15:24 is there a separate deposit for euro sales and us sales? Apr 06 02:16:24 usually Apr 06 02:16:26 2 payments Apr 06 02:16:36 oh. Apr 06 02:16:39 when does the second come? Apr 06 02:16:45 usually the exact same time Apr 06 02:16:48 dangit Apr 06 02:16:51 so that's my issue Apr 06 02:16:55 no euro sales payment Apr 06 02:16:59 of course you have to have 100+ Apr 06 02:17:15 100+ sales or $? Apr 06 02:17:17 $ Apr 06 02:17:19 or euro? Apr 06 02:17:24 it is over $100 Apr 06 02:17:28 but not 100 euro Apr 06 02:17:30 i thought i was getting jipped too, had chuq and others look into it Apr 06 02:17:36 i didnt get it until it was over 100 Apr 06 02:17:40 pretty sure it was usd Apr 06 02:17:44 what the Apr 06 02:17:47 might be 100euro tho Apr 06 02:17:56 uhh, anyone seen interrogateClicks be ignored in webview? Apr 06 02:18:03 you get a payment from PALM GBU Apr 06 02:18:06 and PALM INC Apr 06 02:18:30 lemme look at mine, i gotta login to pp anyways Apr 06 02:18:32 dangit Apr 06 02:18:37 $95 in usd Apr 06 02:18:43 if it's 100€, then that's pretty lame Apr 06 02:18:50 ebay needs to invest in more server for paypal, i hate how slow the site is Apr 06 02:19:04 100£ would be killer ;_; Apr 06 02:19:11 that'd be like what, 180$? :C Apr 06 02:19:25 140-160 I think Apr 06 02:20:07 1. Apr 06 02:20:17 oops, 1.42 euros = 1 dollar Apr 06 02:20:45 well that's good, I'll get 100 more in march from euro :)) Apr 06 02:20:49 wth i got a payment from palm for 3.45 and then another for over 100 Apr 06 02:21:13 lol Apr 06 02:21:14 100£ would be 163 Apr 06 02:21:26 So it looks like pounds sterling have fallen a bit since I last checked Apr 06 02:21:28 SineOtter: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=EURUSD=X ? Apr 06 02:21:30 or the dollar got stronger Apr 06 02:21:46 £ as in pounds sterling as in GBP :p Apr 06 02:21:58 oh Apr 06 02:22:16 back in Nov, i got a payment from Palm Global Operations Ltd. €41.91 and €1.02 Apr 06 02:22:22 lame Apr 06 02:22:23 so i dont know now Apr 06 02:22:53 metaview told me about the separate euro/usd payments, I had no idea Apr 06 02:23:14 ugh Apr 06 02:23:16 what the hell Apr 06 02:23:20 this idiot didnt give me his address Apr 06 02:23:26 how am i supposed to ship this to him Apr 06 02:23:45 haha Apr 06 02:23:47 what is it, dawm__? Apr 06 02:23:54 oh god damnit Apr 06 02:23:56 stage 2 wastegate for a srt-4 Apr 06 02:23:58 car part Apr 06 02:24:08 people and addresses are a great mix Apr 06 02:24:25 I love saying "NO APO" and then getting… APOs. :I Apr 06 02:24:56 i hate it when people want me to ship to canada Apr 06 02:25:11 yeah screw those Canucks Apr 06 02:25:13 why? hah Apr 06 02:25:14 er Apr 06 02:25:24 tried that once.. was $13 anywhere in the US (Fedex), was $145 to ship to Canada (Fedex), i sold the item for $115 Apr 06 02:25:30 although customs coming in from Canada tends to be stricter than most anything Apr 06 02:25:32 holy crap Apr 06 02:25:37 had to refund his money cause i wasnt taking a loss Apr 06 02:25:39 how big was it? D: Apr 06 02:25:43 this was about 4~ yrs ago Apr 06 02:25:46 not that big Apr 06 02:26:07 USPS is kind of crappy for good reason but man those flat rate boxes are a god send Apr 06 02:26:09 ive shipped a 60# box thru fedex to Phoenix for $15 (twice) Apr 06 02:26:16 lulz Apr 06 02:26:46 i sold some headlights recently.. (i havent shipped anythign via fedex in a good year or so), figured $15 tops.. Apr 06 02:26:50 was $37 to ship Apr 06 02:26:58 was like.. g'dam~ Apr 06 02:26:58 hah Apr 06 02:27:09 so pissed Apr 06 02:27:31 those flat rate boxes: if it fits, and is under 70#, it ships! :3 Apr 06 02:27:35 yup Apr 06 02:27:37 haha so when i make my webview interrogateClicks: true, it just doesnt load... Apr 06 02:27:48 cost me like 7 bucks to ship to australia in one of those boxes Apr 06 02:27:54 dawm__: thanks for letting me know, woulda sent another whiny email to palm Apr 06 02:29:17 soo since my sister broke my camera, and the pre's camera sucks Apr 06 02:29:28 im forced to use my kodak zi8 hd recorder.. Apr 06 02:29:39 kinda silly seeing images in 16x9 Apr 06 02:29:52 I love shipping stuff and ending up with a receipt longer than my arm :p Apr 06 02:31:04 sorry ive been so annoying today, but anyone know why a listen for webViewLinkClicked + interrogateClicks would make the app auto open the webview in a browser card? Apr 06 02:32:39 its like its sending a click event when it loads? Apr 06 02:33:44 cwayne: no clue Apr 06 02:35:44 interrogateClicks is being really weird Apr 06 02:45:42 God, Apple knows how to advertise stuff.. Apr 06 02:45:54 * dohtem|desk just saw the new iPad 2 commercial Apr 06 02:50:15 they really do, they're really good at ti Apr 06 02:50:16 it* Apr 06 02:50:18 WEBVIEW Y U NO WORK RIGHT Apr 06 02:54:10 dohtem|desk: But will it blend? Apr 06 02:54:25 google says yessus Apr 06 02:54:39 ugggg.... Apr 06 02:54:47 * halfhalo goes to use a *shudder* ubuntu laptop Apr 06 02:55:13 2011-04-06T02:52:26.498779Z [30838] palm-webos user.warning BrowserServer: sslVerificationCNameToHostnameMatch: matching FQDN = [s-static.ak.facebook.com] against CNAME = [s-static.ak.facebook.com] Apr 06 02:55:15 lolwut Apr 06 02:56:34 crummy facespace has ssl cert issues. Apr 06 02:57:10 and only my palm browser is complaining Apr 06 02:57:33 * cwayne regrets trying to put in a like button... Apr 06 02:58:03 * summatusmentis regrets ever signing up for facebook to begin with Apr 06 02:58:04 I told you Apr 06 02:58:14 like button is lame sauce Apr 06 02:58:22 yerp Apr 06 02:58:39 fb said they'd have a mobile version last year.. it has yet to appear Apr 06 02:59:57 android as ios **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 06 02:59:58 2011