**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 08 02:59:58 2011 Apr 08 03:14:42 Has anyone else gotten a verizon pre dev device that had broken hardware Apr 08 03:21:17 How do you set the image in an ImageView widget? I can't seem to find it and it should be trivial Apr 08 03:22:07 userbound: /me doesn't have a pre, but it's fairly normal to have issues with consumer hardware... perhaps you're the unlucky one :( Apr 08 03:22:35 madnificent: Just doctored and the wifi issue persists :/ So depressing Apr 08 03:25:42 hi Apr 08 03:25:48 i'm having problems getting the webos emulator wokring Apr 08 03:25:51 i'm just getting started Apr 08 03:25:57 i'm in win7, 64-bit Apr 08 03:26:06 followed directions per https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#windows Apr 08 03:26:30 i run the emulator, i see the command prompt window briefly pop but disappear. the palm inspector has text asking if i';ve run the emulator Apr 08 03:26:33 suggestions? Apr 08 03:26:45 Did you install the 64-bit version of java? Apr 08 03:27:03 i already have java, so i didn't do anything with i Apr 08 03:27:05 what does "java -version" return ? Apr 08 03:27:05 *it Apr 08 03:27:12 userbound: just can happen... it's still consumer-grade hardware. If you can explain it to the Verizon boys, then you'll get a new one quickly, no? Apr 08 03:27:26 lemketron: where do i run this command? Apr 08 03:27:33 command shell Apr 08 03:28:01 madnificent: It was direct from HP under the free dev program.... so i'm not sure i may get back in contact with them but either way its gonna be trail time :( Apr 08 03:28:11 "'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file" lemketron Apr 08 03:28:19 lemketron cmd.exe? Apr 08 03:28:29 that's a problem. Apr 08 03:28:42 but it looks like our documentation page is missing an important link, so I'll get on those guys to fix it asap. Apr 08 03:28:54 unfortunately it's not easy to find the 64-bit java installer, for some reason. Apr 08 03:29:47 and iirc, the link is hidden or harder to find in some non-IE browsers. Apr 08 03:30:45 Try this link: http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=47155 Apr 08 03:30:50 http://www.javatester.org/version.html i used this site to get my version Apr 08 03:30:54 1.6.0_24 Apr 08 03:31:19 Yes, but there's a 32-bit java that most browsers will show you, and the browsers are (I'm guessing) 32-bit apps so they're fine with it. Apr 08 03:31:44 captcadaver: what browser are you using? Apr 08 03:31:51 PatrickC_Pre2: chrome Apr 08 03:32:03 I am just a fool, this works, and I'm happy :) Apr 08 03:32:05 The link above should get you "jre-6u24-windows-x64.exe". Apr 08 03:32:13 userbound: good luck! Apr 08 03:32:14 does chrome have a x64 version? Apr 08 03:32:36 PatrickC_Pre2, you mean x86_64? Apr 08 03:32:49 I mean a true x64 version Apr 08 03:32:52 FF has one :) Apr 08 03:32:57 * madnificent hasn't heard back from adam after a possible confirmation :) Apr 08 03:33:10 Try loading this page in Chrome, and then again in IE: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Apr 08 03:33:15 PatrickC_Pre2, what *would* be x86_64 Apr 08 03:33:29 what do you mean? Apr 08 03:33:47 I thought it was either x86 or x64 not both? Apr 08 03:33:48 modern 64 bit processors are an extension of x86 Apr 08 03:33:58 In Chrome, there is NO way (that I can see) to fetch jre-6u24-windows-x64.exe, other than the "AudoDL" link above, but that link is NOT on "manual.jsp" if viewed in chrome. Apr 08 03:34:04 hence it's x86_64 or amd64 Apr 08 03:34:11 ah ok Apr 08 03:34:29 well FF has a 64bit version.. Apr 08 03:34:49 definitely not "x64" except as a cute abbreviation for downloading stuff Apr 08 03:34:54 It's a bit of a mess, and clearly we need to further enhance our docs. Better yet would be to get our new InstallShield guru to see if we can automate the installation of java (or at least figuring out if you have the right version, and sending you to the right web page if you don't). Apr 08 03:35:21 that would be nice :) Apr 08 03:35:42 WAIT: Firefox does NOT offer you the 64-bit jre either. Apr 08 03:35:50 ie! Apr 08 03:35:52 You must download it from IE, as far as I can tell. Apr 08 03:35:57 Minefield does Apr 08 03:36:10 Minefield == x64 FF Apr 08 03:36:21 Look at this page in FF, Chrome, and IE: jre-6u24-windows-x64.exe Apr 08 03:36:30 Note that "64-bit Java plugin" is NOT what we're looking for here. Apr 08 03:36:43 I managed to get x64 jre somehow using chrome... I have no idea how though Apr 08 03:36:50 * oil did too Apr 08 03:36:58 sorry, THIS page: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Apr 08 03:37:15 Yes, in chrome you can download it from this link, which I posted above: http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=47155 Apr 08 03:37:26 * halfhalo goes back to watching turf wars Apr 08 03:37:33 That fetches the 64-bit installer, but the "manual.jsp" web page does not offer you that link. Apr 08 03:37:42 unless you view it in IE, afaict. Apr 08 03:40:17 lol Apr 08 03:40:34 why isnt there a page: x86: here, x64: here Apr 08 03:40:35 lol Apr 08 03:41:08 gah! stop calling it x64, that's itanium! Apr 08 03:41:19 whatever Apr 08 03:41:43 * halfhalo has a copy of win xp for itanium Apr 08 03:41:53 im sorry Apr 08 03:44:30 night all, or morning, or whatever, but I'm going to get in my bed right now Apr 08 03:45:36 if someone asks for an "x64" version of a program I"m more likely to think to find an itanium link for them Apr 08 03:46:14 itanium? lol Apr 08 03:46:22 lemketron, on a side note, the itanium version of java was relatively easy to find :) Apr 08 03:46:39 though probably not helpful to most people Apr 08 03:46:46 heh Apr 08 03:47:33 anyway, I just notified our doc/web guy to please get this updated asap so others (who do try to follow our instructions) don't get caught in this same mess... Apr 08 03:47:47 PatrickC_Pre2, it was intel's earlier try at a 64 bit architecture. it's almost dead now because it wasn't compatible with x86 (among a few other complications) and it is what was normally referred to as x64 Apr 08 03:48:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he could download an entire folder from dropbox to his phone :'( Apr 08 03:50:33 I wonder how much damageI would do If I just yanked on this hdmi cord... Apr 08 03:51:15 lol... try it :p Apr 08 04:13:49 time to learn cookies! :) Apr 08 04:30:39 * halfhalo yawns Apr 08 04:35:52 what's the size limit for submitted apps? Apr 08 04:37:07 ie9=hulu awesomeness Apr 08 04:45:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 is still waiting for hull to email him back Apr 08 05:04:04 for a cookie, where do I put the code to save it? Apr 08 05:05:00 wherever you want Apr 08 05:05:31 do I need to do "try.... catch"? Apr 08 05:06:39 i didnt Apr 08 05:06:49 but i also ignore best practices alot... Apr 08 05:06:50 ok Apr 08 05:07:00 I'll try to do it like webos101 says to Apr 08 05:07:03 lol Apr 08 05:09:48 ok, cookie set up.. how do I tell it what to controll? Apr 08 05:09:58 s/controll/control/ Apr 08 05:09:59 with javascript Apr 08 05:10:08 lol.. I know that :p Apr 08 05:10:15 you make some data and "put" it in the cookie Apr 08 05:10:18 that's it Apr 08 05:10:46 so, if I want it to turn the device data collect for metrix off, I do what? Apr 08 05:12:08 halfhalo: you get the free month of hulu plus? Apr 08 05:12:44 and do I need to pushScene or popScene? Apr 08 05:12:44 I pay for it, have for s while Apr 08 05:13:06 ah Apr 08 05:13:28 I'm waiting for it to come to the xbox 360 Apr 08 05:15:41 PatrickC_Pre2: you need to come up with some way to determine if you should use data collection or not...then either use it or don't depending on that determination Apr 08 05:15:56 so I would put that information in the cookie and check it every time the app runs Apr 08 05:16:22 I need to figure out how to handle the cookie first Apr 08 05:16:40 okay, but that's not what you asked Apr 08 05:17:18 I need to figure out how to make it save the preference that was chosen (yes or no on data collection) Apr 08 05:17:44 dude...you use the .put() method Apr 08 05:17:49 of the cookie Apr 08 05:17:52 to put data into it Apr 08 05:17:58 and .get()... Apr 08 05:18:02 yeah, it gets the cookie Apr 08 05:18:29 Shocker Apr 08 05:18:30 where do you put that??? Apr 08 05:18:41 anywhere you need it Apr 08 05:18:42 I have the code, just need to know where it belongs Apr 08 05:19:32 smart money would put the .get() somewhere early in the app lifecycle, like in the stage assistant (or app assistant if using one) Apr 08 05:19:49 and the .put() anywhere the user might be changing the preference Apr 08 05:20:20 what is a good sample app I an look at to see how it is used? Apr 08 05:20:28 ... Apr 08 05:20:31 I'm a visual learner :p Apr 08 05:24:12 so, I use Apr 08 05:24:46 cookieData = myCookieName.get() || ''; Apr 08 05:25:00 that is what my working cookie uses/does Apr 08 05:25:13 then the "if(cookieData......) Apr 08 05:25:39 yerp Apr 08 05:25:44 mmhmm Apr 08 05:25:52 well hi dave Apr 08 05:25:59 hi hi maik Apr 08 05:26:05 ok, I'll try it :) Apr 08 05:26:19 did i tell you about the cookie problem i was having last week? Apr 08 05:26:23 er Apr 08 05:26:32 ya, that Apr 08 05:26:52 no? if you did I don't remember Apr 08 05:27:03 PatrickC_Pre2: I thought you said you already had that working... Apr 08 05:27:22 already had what working? Apr 08 05:27:31 the cookie for first use scene? yeah its working Apr 08 05:27:32 wow Apr 08 05:27:38 that's what I'm looking at Apr 08 05:27:48 doing an ajax request which performs a login to a website's API. it returns a PHPSESSID cookie, but for whatever reason i can't get it out of this request Apr 08 05:27:53 I have the metrix cookie set up, I just need to use it Apr 08 05:27:54 er response Apr 08 05:28:05 maik: oh, the browser cookie, yeah I remember now Apr 08 05:28:11 ya :/ Apr 08 05:28:15 suck Apr 08 05:28:21 whatever I put before the "get" is the default cookie, correct? or not? Apr 08 05:30:18 no, it's a Cookie object Apr 08 05:30:28 Omnom Apr 08 05:31:01 ok, then.. the "only on first run" isn't the best cookie example to look at :/ Apr 08 05:32:30 usually I check for the absence of my preferences cookie to determine app first run Apr 08 05:32:45 try to open the cookie, but if undefined, that's the first run Apr 08 05:34:36 hmm. lets see if this works.. Apr 08 05:42:59 hmm... when I switched the toggle switch to on, and left the scene.. Apr 08 05:43:10 then went back to the scene, it wasn't still switched... Apr 08 05:43:17 it went back to the default Apr 08 05:44:01 I'm off to bed.. my brain is fried.. night all Apr 08 05:50:36 So my Pre 2 is being weird: Apr 08 05:50:39 only showing an HP logo Apr 08 05:50:44 not letting me do anything else Apr 08 05:50:49 how would I turn it off? Apr 08 05:51:34 pull the battery if holding the button for a while doesn't work Apr 08 05:52:07 kk Apr 08 05:52:45 RagingMind: pulled battery, still won't turn off Apr 08 05:52:56 is it plugged in? Apr 08 05:53:03 if so... disconnect it Apr 08 05:53:11 can't be powered on without a power source Apr 08 05:54:47 oh, lol Apr 08 05:54:47 yes Apr 08 05:54:53 * Xuzz FAIL Apr 08 05:55:01 okay, thanks! Apr 08 05:59:21 hi, Apr 08 05:59:37 i'm just getting started. i'm trying to get the emulator to run an app a friend gave me. i'm viewing https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/emulator.html Apr 08 05:59:59 wait Apr 08 06:00:05 one sec, maybe i figured out what i was gonna ask Apr 08 06:02:48 actually, it says "2. Open a Command Prompt window, and then navigate to the workspace directory." Apr 08 06:02:58 where is this? is it a child dir of the emulator? Apr 08 06:03:30 the command prompt window? Apr 08 06:03:37 lol Apr 08 06:03:41 the workspace directory Apr 08 06:03:42 one sec Apr 08 06:04:10 captcadaver: it's custom. that means - the directory there You're going to store Your projects Apr 08 06:04:14 oh, you're following eclipse instructions, so the workspace is whatever you accepted when you started eclipse. Apr 08 06:04:39 (I don't actually know where it goes on Windows... My Documents\workspace or somesuch?) Apr 08 06:07:15 its any directory you like... Say, i have 3 workspases for eclipse - android_projs / webos_projs / qnx_projs - it's just three different folders Apr 08 06:07:37 >< wrong set of dirs Apr 08 06:07:39 *directions Apr 08 06:07:50 i'm actually now looking at the "Launch the application at the command prompt" set Apr 08 06:07:52 i.e. no eclipse Apr 08 06:08:22 i think it's C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin because i see palm-launch and such there Apr 08 06:08:24 other batch files Apr 08 06:08:31 ohh, ok, then just to chdir or cd to any directory You like. Apr 08 06:08:42 when i run "palm-launch com.mystuff.hello" Apr 08 06:08:57 while installing path like C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin should be added to Your PATH environment variable automatically. Apr 08 06:09:01 it doesn't recognize the command o_O Apr 08 06:09:19 add it manually. I've faced the same issue during first installation Apr 08 06:09:42 where do i get this com.mystuff.hello file? Apr 08 06:09:47 err Apr 08 06:09:49 isn't it a package? Apr 08 06:11:54 hmm, seems You nee to creat it firstly. Try palm-generate to generate application prior to launch: > palm-generate -t hello_app -p "title=My First App" ~/projects/hello Apr 08 06:12:50 Good morgning Apr 08 06:13:00 morning Apr 08 06:13:12 morning Apr 08 06:15:05 captcadaver: after that navigate to ~\projects\ and do palm-package, palm-install and palm-launch to launch the app. Apr 08 06:19:23 sandrstar >< i get a null pointer exception when i try to package this, when i havent touch any of its code Apr 08 06:20:32 ooh. ok, give me a minute and I'll paste all exact comands. Apr 08 06:22:52 ~\projects>palm-package hello Apr 08 06:22:55 creating package com.yourdomain.hello_1.0.0_all.ipk in ~\projects Apr 08 06:25:00 captcadaver: no exception generated. may be, smth wrong with your configuration / java installation. Apr 08 06:25:32 sandrstar guess i'll try rebooting since i recently reinstalled java Apr 08 06:27:15 rebooting will usually fix the path, I've found. Apr 08 06:27:22 :-/ Apr 08 06:28:03 on some _other_ desktop operating systems, it is typically sufficient to simply open a new terminal window to get the updated path... Apr 08 06:30:07 lemketron: seems, complete fix for path issues would require windows removing and installing smth else :) Apr 08 06:30:48 Works for me, but alas, not for everyone. Apr 08 07:28:46 morning Apr 08 07:37:17 hi Apr 08 08:54:15 http://android-gripes.tumblr.com/post/4409289546/why-do-apps-from-the-same-company-look-worse-on-android -- interesting comparison between iOS apps and their android versions Apr 08 08:54:41 lol Apr 08 08:55:00 what could the reason be? Apr 08 08:55:09 its harder to do or they dont wonna use as much time? Apr 08 08:56:20 or they dont care? :) Apr 08 08:59:00 yer Apr 08 08:59:02 maybe Apr 08 09:32:28 hi there! Apr 08 09:32:59 i just would like to know how we emulate a home button press in the webOS emulator? Apr 08 09:38:59 home Apr 08 09:50:49 you mean the opposite of the end button? Apr 08 09:50:51 clever :D Apr 08 12:03:42 SILENCE! Apr 08 12:03:53 hah, and the channel listens \o/ Victory is mine Apr 08 12:06:03 or mine ;) Apr 08 12:06:24 or mine? Apr 08 12:14:26 mine! Apr 08 12:14:30 must be mine Apr 08 13:41:32 ok Apr 08 16:12:35 Hi everyone Apr 08 16:13:54 hi, NuttyBunny Apr 08 16:23:48 hi sandrstar Apr 08 16:28:14 cwayne: you here? Apr 08 16:31:23 anyone else having trouble updating apps with preware? Apr 08 16:35:18 morning chuqui Apr 08 16:35:46 hey, morning! Apr 08 16:36:03 how's it goin? Apr 08 16:36:10 the new portal looks good :) Apr 08 16:38:38 I still miss the orange tho :) Apr 08 16:40:56 going okay. Just checking to see what happened overnight... Apr 08 16:41:18 one more day was lost to the ravages of time Apr 08 16:47:02 theres an app for that now Apr 08 19:41:12 it's quiet in here Apr 08 19:41:17 too quiet Apr 08 19:41:28 * sugardave looks for zombie hiding places. Apr 08 19:43:04 you reminded me of Starfox 64... "It's quiet... too quiet...---- Be careful, it's a trap!" Apr 08 19:44:11 I've been playing the hell out of that game lately ;_; Apr 08 19:44:24 it's too the point where everything in that part is dead before it's supposed to show up Apr 08 19:46:10 hmm, never heard o it Apr 08 19:46:44 I'm watching the cop copter fly over our neighborhood looking for someone Apr 08 19:46:56 you are banned from this channel for not playing starcraft 64 Apr 08 19:47:03 * sugardave sighs. Apr 08 19:47:29 they only had 8-bit consoles when I was a kid :( Apr 08 20:03:56 sugardave: 8-bits? luxury! I had the Magnavox Odyssey 300: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=3&c=1281 Apr 08 20:10:51 Starfox 64 is awesome ;_; Apr 08 20:14:49 SineOt: a bit cloudy though... Apr 08 20:15:33 Yeah, but looking at some of the other N64 games from that time period, it aged pretty well Apr 08 20:16:00 … and is getting a killer 3DS port with new hi res models and textures and an improved expert mode that redoes a lot of the levels @_@ Apr 08 20:21:00 nice Apr 08 20:21:11 mario 64 also aged well Apr 08 20:35:01 lemketron: heh, well, before my Nintendo I had an Atari 2600, but I never had the Odyssey. I think I played one once, some game called K.C. Munchkin Apr 08 20:35:20 The only game on it (the 300) was pong. Apr 08 20:35:39 hah Apr 08 20:35:52 we need webOS pong, 3g multi-player Apr 08 20:36:01 GOGOGO Apr 08 20:36:06 make it! Apr 08 20:36:18 that would be awesome! I love pong lol Apr 08 20:37:36 But the 300 was "among the first dedicated consoles to use a single IC chip as the focus of its design... Apr 08 20:37:42 Oops: " Apr 08 20:37:51 haha..my first console was a colecovision Apr 08 20:38:17 Should be some interesting opportunities to make TouchPad games using the Veer as a controller... :-) Apr 08 20:39:49 hmmmm Apr 08 20:40:12 ooo sounds like a job for halfhalo :) Apr 08 20:40:32 man, not having a microwave stinks :/ Apr 08 20:40:35 the hell it is. Apr 08 20:41:28 lemketron: yeah, Veer as controller is something I've been thinking about....way to push some hardware sales! Apr 08 20:41:53 but first... free touchpads for EVERYONE!!! Apr 08 20:42:05 If it were up to me, sure! Apr 08 20:42:06 halfhalo's buying!! Apr 08 20:42:07 Alas, it's not. Apr 08 20:42:12 only if you are still using your OG Pre - with 1.4.5 Apr 08 20:42:26 I can make it 1.4.5 :) Apr 08 20:42:38 AND your original profile Apr 08 20:42:41 no, no, only launch day pre -'s Apr 08 20:43:05 meh, I was out of the country, I got mine a week later :P Apr 08 20:43:14 still counts Apr 08 20:43:21 halfhalo: Cool, I'll get two then! Apr 08 20:43:27 hahaha Apr 08 20:43:33 you dont count Apr 08 20:43:36 I got a practically launch day pixi... Apr 08 20:43:43 Yeah, and I already have my touchpad anyway. :-P Apr 08 20:43:50 * sugardave imagines lemketron can get as many TouchPads as he desires. Apr 08 20:44:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals lemketron's touchpad Apr 08 20:44:05 * halfhalo breaks out the sadly underused crowbar Apr 08 20:44:59 My Pre- isn't getting much love these days, since I tend to carry the Pre 2, Pre3, and Veer around with me. Of course, my wife thinks I'm crazy. Apr 08 20:45:09 * madnificent steals halfhalo's crowbar and starts swinging it around like a crazy person Apr 08 20:45:26 * madnificent pets his pre- Apr 08 20:45:36 * summatusmentis is really, really hoping pre3 comes to sprint Apr 08 20:45:43 hope harder Apr 08 20:45:49 I'm not very optimistic about it Apr 08 20:45:58 I'm not either, to be honest :( Apr 08 20:46:01 and my contract runs out 6/16, I think Apr 08 20:46:09 I usually have my epic and pre2 with me. Waiting for some new device to drop to drop sprint Apr 08 20:46:18 I'm out of contract, but I want to keep my SERO plan Apr 08 20:46:51 I called Sprint about something and they offered me something like $100 to re-up my contract for two more years... hah! As if. Apr 08 20:47:11 * halfhalo has family that works for sprint Apr 08 20:47:29 Then again, I'm not thrilled with the idea of switching, either. :-( Apr 08 20:47:29 lemketron: I think that's standard, I think you get $150 if you re-sign Apr 08 20:47:29 lemketron: yeah, that's a big "no" Apr 08 20:47:44 I think it's usually "off the device you buy" Apr 08 20:47:44 I'm going where the Pre 3 is Apr 08 20:47:56 same Apr 08 20:47:57 sugardave: same Apr 08 20:48:02 But I will miss the 4gs Apr 08 20:48:32 sugardave: same, and I'll probably switch to wherever it is Apr 08 20:48:50 :-/ despite the fact that I hate VZW Apr 08 20:49:00 I haven't dealt with them yet, I think Apr 08 20:49:07 * halfhalo have family that works for vzw as well Apr 08 20:49:11 nobody is as hated as AT&T for me, though Apr 08 20:49:28 * halfhalo knows someone who now works for att Apr 08 20:49:30 VZW has the whole "Location" thing, and AT&T wants $10/month for navigation, plus more for text messages? Geez. Apr 08 20:49:51 Makes you really appreciate Sprint's "everything data" plan, if not their selection of phones. Apr 08 20:50:09 yeah, their plan is cool, plus they are one of the only ones that has coverage at my house Apr 08 20:50:15 Yeah the plans are killer and I'd really hate to have to give them up for it. Apr 08 20:50:15 lemketron: ATT's nav issue is not an issue on android though, which means its a non-issue for normal folks Apr 08 20:50:26 I'm still amazed how many people don't realize that Sprint roams (free) to Verizon, too. Apr 08 20:50:52 lemketron: roams for free, but data roaming is only 1x on VZW Apr 08 20:51:11 Yeah, that's a drag, but I don't need it often enough to matter. Apr 08 20:51:17 * summatusmentis pays $40/mo for his pre on Sprint <3 Apr 08 20:51:27 * halfhalo pays 90 a month on sprint right now Apr 08 20:51:32 I really, really, don't want to give that up Apr 08 20:52:47 summatusmentis, me too Apr 08 20:53:08 wait, we only roam on 1x? Apr 08 20:53:20 my phone will sometimes tell me 3G Roaming Apr 08 20:53:25 * Tibfib has at&t atm Apr 08 20:53:32 boo Apr 08 20:53:38 PatrickC_Pre2: with VZW it'll only roam on 1x Apr 08 20:53:48 $15 more a month for less stuff Apr 08 20:53:57 I'm on sprint Apr 08 20:54:11 but, pre2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre- Apr 08 20:54:18 true Apr 08 20:54:25 you got a pre2?? Apr 08 20:54:25 PatrickC_Pre2: right, as a sprint user, when you roam on vzw, you'll only get 1x Apr 08 20:54:41 PatrickC_Pre? Apr 08 20:54:47 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals Tibfib's pre2 and service while tibfib still pays for it :p Apr 08 20:54:49 Tibfib: I whish I could get my hands on a pre2 :) Apr 08 20:54:56 * Tibfib has 2 now Apr 08 20:55:04 summatusmentis: ah ok Apr 08 20:55:06 what the? Apr 08 20:55:09 bought one, got the other thru the device program Apr 08 20:55:16 I have a pre2, pre+, and pre- Apr 08 20:55:17 I needed one a while ago for koto Apr 08 20:55:23 * Tibfib also has a pre+ and pre- Apr 08 20:55:34 any pixi's in there? :p Apr 08 20:55:48 * madnificent would like to see a pixi irl as well Apr 08 20:55:49 and I had another pre+ but I lost it Apr 08 20:55:57 no pixis Apr 08 20:56:02 you _lost_ a pre+... what the hell? Apr 08 20:56:04 * SineOt has a Sprint Pixi! Gets double screwed. No wifi, no chance of 2.0 update. Apr 08 20:56:08 what is wrong with you people Apr 08 20:56:12 madnificent: awful story Apr 08 20:56:15 makes me angry Apr 08 20:56:18 SineOt: you can upgrade the wifi Apr 08 20:56:19 is it device count time? Pre -: 1, Pre +: 1, Pre 2: 2 Apr 08 20:56:27 makes me angry as well.. how can you loose a pre?! Apr 08 20:56:33 sugardave: that's mine too! Apr 08 20:56:40 http://twitpic.com/4i1ui8 look, you can see it right there..! Apr 08 20:56:50 what do you use all the Pre2s for? Apr 08 20:56:51 complete with its blue painters tape touchstone fix Apr 08 20:56:53 * madnificent wonders how you can afford all that Apr 08 20:56:54 sineot: I had a sprint pixi, but it went in for service like 6 times in 5 months, so they upgraded me to a pre for free :) Apr 08 20:57:04 it was sitting in its box on the washing machine by the trash.. somehow someone knocked it over into the trash. Apr 08 20:57:09 summatusmentis: BT app testing...that's the plan anyway Apr 08 20:57:12 and I realized it a week later Apr 08 20:57:16 Tibfib: oh, how sad! Apr 08 20:57:21 if you *ahem* need to get rid of one of them.... Apr 08 20:57:24 madnificent: I was reaaaaally mad :) Apr 08 20:57:35 Tibfib: the lone pre on a big big travel... all by itself :( Apr 08 20:57:43 in perfect condition Apr 08 20:57:47 brand new in box Apr 08 20:57:52 bummer Apr 08 20:58:14 ouch man Apr 08 20:58:16 my other devices are now hidden away in my desk AWAY from the evil trashes Apr 08 20:58:18 SineOt: the pixi is bigger than I thought it'd be Apr 08 20:58:43 it has to be, since it fits the keyboard on under the screen. It's thin though Apr 08 20:58:56 SineOt: does your pixi have a case on it that still fits the touchstone? Apr 08 20:59:05 or is that one of the artist backs? Apr 08 20:59:13 it's the green touchstone back Apr 08 20:59:28 green? Apr 08 20:59:31 fancy Apr 08 20:59:38 * Tibfib remembers those fancy backs Apr 08 20:59:42 it's suffering from the layer separation issue so I've patched it up with some grunge skins… and by grunge skins I mean blue painters tape Apr 08 20:59:51 haha Apr 08 20:59:58 lol Apr 08 21:00:02 oh, I missed that part Apr 08 21:00:03 lol Apr 08 21:00:10 I have an orange back that isn't in use anymore :p Apr 08 21:00:16 I honestly think it looks better with the tape :I the color contrasts are pretty nice Apr 08 21:00:21 perfect condition, only like 3 months old Apr 08 21:00:28 I've been considering a case for my pre, but I want my touchstone to work Apr 08 21:00:31 the fact it's separating isn't nearly as nice Apr 08 21:00:59 summatusmentis: zagg invisible shield? Apr 08 21:01:36 PatrickC_Pre2: maybe, seidio apparently has a TS compatible case also Apr 08 21:02:01 I'll maybe just wait until I get a pre3 and buy a case then Apr 08 21:02:05 hmm, didn't know that.. link? Apr 08 21:02:30 THe nice thing with the rubberized backs is that they kind of… don't need a case Apr 08 21:02:31 trying to find it Apr 08 21:03:10 SineOt: sort of, the extra layer of protection is nice Apr 08 21:03:22 sineot: pixi doesn't really need a case, pre does.. more prone to cracking at the sides lol Apr 08 21:03:34 yeah, it's nice, but it's not really as needed as it is on other devices Apr 08 21:03:44 I already lost a piece of my side screen (top left corner) on my dev pre+ Apr 08 21:03:46 that's why the new devices don't have sides to crack :p Apr 08 21:03:56 yep lol Apr 08 21:04:16 PatrickC_Pre2: http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/csr2pmpre-bk.htm Apr 08 21:04:22 thx Apr 08 21:04:45 Had one, worked great till all the little tabs broke off the front and back covers Apr 08 21:04:48 mine is missing the batt-cover door, and is cracking there Apr 08 21:04:52