**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 11 02:59:57 2011 Apr 11 03:01:19 Hi Adora! Apr 11 03:01:46 why hello Apr 11 03:02:43 because "f off" seems a bit hostile? Apr 11 03:02:50 lol Apr 11 03:05:08 'night everyone Apr 11 03:05:47 night Apr 11 03:05:56 dkirker: so, how's life @Palm? Apr 11 03:06:03 'night Tibfib Apr 11 03:06:07 Hello hello Apr 11 03:06:12 sugardave: busy, as to be expected, and fun! Apr 11 03:06:40 cool...you guys solved everyone's WebKit desires yet? :) Apr 11 03:07:07 Soo... I want to buy a web os device. Apr 11 03:07:41 do it! :D Apr 11 03:08:19 I've found some cheap. Apr 11 03:08:24 at this point, I'd almost recommend waiting Apr 11 03:08:47 Question is, can I use it without activation on a carrier? Can I just use wifi> Apr 11 03:09:11 CPCookieMan: you can use it without activation, but you will have no access to the official app catalog Apr 11 03:09:19 but preware/homebrew will work Apr 11 03:09:26 Why no access? Apr 11 03:09:35 CPCookieMan: that's the way it is Apr 11 03:09:48 you need carrier activation to get the app catalog Apr 11 03:09:59 AND it has to be done in a supported country Apr 11 03:10:11 What if I activated a device and created a palm profile, then changed the esn back to my current thunderbolt Apr 11 03:10:28 no idea Apr 11 03:10:53 Well as long as preware works Apr 11 03:10:55 Can Apr 11 03:11:17 Can I find apps from the internet that would be on the app catalog otherwise? Apr 11 03:11:25 not legally Apr 11 03:11:47 Is that a yes? I mean they're free apps. Apr 11 03:11:57 some are free Apr 11 03:12:05 Well I could see how it would be illegal to get paid ones Apr 11 03:12:32 But android it is as easy to get a free app on the market as it is anywhere else online Apr 11 03:12:43 webOS ain't Andtroid Apr 11 03:12:57 there is only one repo for Palm-sanctioned apps Apr 11 03:13:14 Well yeah, just figured some things were pretty similar Apr 11 03:13:29 Preware MAY have the same apps if the dev has a version they put in the feeds Apr 11 03:13:56 But if I wanted facebook, I would have to get that, how? Apr 11 03:14:05 Or is facebook with webos? Apr 11 03:14:32 I think FB app comes from the app catalog Apr 11 03:14:57 so not bundled with the OS, even though it is a Palm app Apr 11 03:15:05 I'm sure someone will have ripped the... ipk is it? For me. Apr 11 03:15:27 I"m sure they have, but it is illegal to have done that and host it somewhere else Apr 11 03:15:52 True, true Apr 11 03:16:24 So is the pixi plus a good device? Apr 11 03:16:37 overall, probably Apr 11 03:16:41 I just want to get my feet wet with web os and try it out Apr 11 03:16:56 And at the price I can get it for, why not! Apr 11 03:17:24 But it's not like, slow or anything right? Apr 11 03:17:41 define slow Apr 11 03:17:42 it's all relative, I'd guess Apr 11 03:17:45 I've never used a pixi Apr 11 03:17:46 heh Apr 11 03:18:32 Well I use a thunderbolt on a daily basis so an MSM7k isn't beating that any time soon, but it won't lag all of the time right? Apr 11 03:18:38 I know that if you use a Pre - at webOS 1.4.5, and then handle a Pre 2 at webOS 2.1.0 the speed difference is quite noticeable Apr 11 03:19:04 Can you put webos 2 on the pixi? Apr 11 03:19:07 but even a pre- on 1.4.5 isn't awful Apr 11 03:19:31 CPCookieMan: Not yet, I think. Not sure if you will be able to. Apr 11 03:19:43 Pixi plus I should say Apr 11 03:19:48 no 2.x for pixi, ever. Apr 11 03:19:53 But the Veer will be out soon Apr 11 03:19:57 But what's different in 2 anyway? Apr 11 03:20:03 pixi is a dead end device Apr 11 03:21:33 CPCookieMan: webOS 2 has a new services architecture, will allow hybrid apps at some point, other things Apr 11 03:21:43 Cool Apr 11 03:21:44 stacs! Apr 11 03:21:47 stacks! * Apr 11 03:21:48 oh and stacks Apr 11 03:21:49 :) Apr 11 03:22:09 But from the looks of things pixi plus has an upgrade to 2.x Apr 11 03:22:22 Verizon Pixi Plus Apr 11 03:22:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Apr 11 03:23:11 it says in the first paragraph, not compatible with Pixi devices Apr 11 03:23:55 But pixi+ is a dif device Apr 11 03:24:41 not really Apr 11 03:24:45 I mean, yes, but only sort of Apr 11 03:24:52 it's not going to work on the Pixi +, either Apr 11 03:25:20 I know, because rwhitby said so a few lines back :) Apr 11 03:27:10 Read the link I posted! Apr 11 03:27:27 It has instructions to update the Verizon Pixi+ Apr 11 03:28:17 where? the only occurrence of Apr 11 03:28:26 "Pixi" is the line I said about them not being supported. Apr 11 03:30:12 I wonder where the SIM Card will be on the Veer, given it's GSM Apr 11 03:30:29 and since it has a non-removeable battery, don't think we can take the cover off Apr 11 03:34:26 Wow I must be tired, it says pre+... Apr 11 03:34:28 NVM Apr 11 03:34:31 bnceo: hmm, good question Apr 11 03:34:54 thx sugardave: I just thought about it now Apr 11 03:35:34 Now I have a choice. Apr 11 03:36:28 I can get a Sprint Pre, have webos 2.x and less ram. Or I can get verizon pre plus, have more ram and web os 1.x Apr 11 03:37:05 Which do the people around here think I should get? Apr 11 03:37:30 what are you getting it for? to use or to develop apps? Apr 11 03:37:43 Just to fool around with Apr 11 03:37:46 you... can put 2.1 on the pre+? Apr 11 03:37:47 CPCookieMan: of you can make a Sprint Pre Plus and put 2.1.0 on it Apr 11 03:37:53 unofficially of course Apr 11 03:38:08 oh, does it have to be sprint to put 2.1 on it? Apr 11 03:38:15 no... Apr 11 03:38:16 You can put 2.1 on og pre Apr 11 03:38:19 didn't think so Apr 11 03:38:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Sprint_Pre Apr 11 03:38:48 That I know is there Apr 11 03:39:34 So what should I do, OG Pre, or Pixi Plus? Apr 11 03:39:41 CPCookieMan: the webos internals channel would be a great place for this convo =) Apr 11 03:40:03 What? Apr 11 03:40:24 I thought I was clear... Apr 11 03:40:27 Oh ok, I'll hit up that channel, thanks! Apr 11 03:40:28 check out #webos-internals Apr 11 03:40:36 hehe Apr 11 04:11:07 madnificent: ping Apr 11 04:12:44 * halfhalo 's dog is in pain again :( Apr 11 04:13:02 why? Apr 11 04:13:25 pitbull bit him earlier today, three puncture wounds Apr 11 04:13:30 * PatrickC_Pre2 had to return a Pug to her home... and was getting attached Apr 11 04:13:43 wow, really? what did the vet say?? Apr 11 04:14:30 warm compress + pills Apr 11 04:14:55 hope he gets better Apr 11 04:18:10 madnificent: I'll try to get a review up some time this or next week Apr 11 04:22:48 http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/CIMG0005.jpg Apr 11 04:29:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves to NuttyBunny Apr 11 04:29:29 Hai :) Apr 11 04:29:55 how's the plugin/app at issues comin? Apr 11 04:30:50 stalled.. I'm gonna open a bug report with the Pidgin guys, to see if they can help, and if they redirect me with the gnutls people, well, it will be with them :) Apr 11 04:31:20 ok, hope all goes well! Apr 11 04:31:25 It's a problem when checking the certificates, stupid gnutls crashes because of other library that they also maintain (called libtasn1) Apr 11 04:31:32 (thanks for the patches to make it work for me) :) Apr 11 04:31:41 Thanks! At least I got to work a bit on my other app Apr 11 04:31:50 what other app? Apr 11 04:32:10 the "other" app my suprskrit app Apr 11 04:32:28 superskrit? lol Apr 11 04:39:02 night all Apr 11 06:09:07 Wonderful. I am absolutely unable to sync my Palm Pre+-Calendar with my google-calendar. Is that thing buggy or am i dumb? Apr 11 06:14:41 i have tryed that Apr 11 06:14:54 i removed the calender and added it again Apr 11 06:23:36 And that worked, hotdp? I did that too, btw Apr 11 06:23:49 yes Apr 11 06:23:51 it worked Apr 11 06:24:01 I did not work for you? Apr 11 06:28:20 I deleted the account once again, and when I configure it to sync calendar, too, I receive tje error message "Service not supported. Your account is not configured for calendar" Apr 11 06:29:02 hmm Apr 11 06:29:09 have never seen that error message Apr 11 06:29:21 does the google mail work for you? Apr 11 06:31:13 Yes, mail and contacts work Apr 11 06:32:32 http://forums.palm.com/t5/Synergy-webOS/Can-t-activate-Google-Calendar-when-making-new-accounts/td-p/332658/page/2 Apr 11 06:32:53 Could it be, because the address, I want to sync, is the same that I use for my Palm profile? Apr 11 06:33:39 I use the same address with no issues Apr 11 06:33:45 me too Apr 11 06:34:35 Does it have a Google Calendar associated with it? Apr 11 06:35:12 ah, appears so. I get that error on an account that does not have a calendar. Apr 11 06:35:39 Hello Apr 11 06:35:53 Anyone here who help me with my new Palm Pre 2 Apr 11 06:39:54 dkirker: My account definetely has a calendar Apr 11 06:40:12 hmmm Apr 11 06:42:05 My password contains special characters (!@#$%^&*) - after changing that to letters and numbers only it was working without any porblem. <- Someone said that at this thread. I am going to try this Apr 11 06:52:30 Yey, it initially syncs Apr 11 07:01:41 so its solved? Apr 11 07:02:50 darn. I just got one of those HP ePrint printers. I wanted to create a custom address and forward it to the printer, but it looks like the ePrint server won't let me. :( Apr 11 07:03:30 that's not very forward-thinking of them Apr 11 07:03:43 it makes sense, I see why it was done Apr 11 07:04:17 there's a lot of spam protection. Apr 11 07:04:39 printer spam. hmm. Apr 11 07:04:55 haha, this thing is just like a fax machine of the 21st century now... Apr 11 07:05:02 well if your printer prints whatever is emailed to it, spam protection is certainly needed Apr 11 07:05:17 lol yer Apr 11 07:05:28 oil: you'd think HP won't 100% eliminate printer spam, since it drives ink sales Apr 11 07:05:30 dont want to go printing V1AGRA ads Apr 11 07:06:00 I bet someone in corporate has a hard time making that policy decision Apr 11 07:06:44 lol Apr 11 07:06:55 just like the dark blue backgrounds Apr 11 07:07:00 on their presentations haha Apr 11 07:07:07 "do I allow printer spam, or do I just make them have dark blue backgrounds" Apr 11 07:07:17 mmmm, blue... I love the color blue... Apr 11 07:08:06 at devdays they joked that the dark blue backgrounds in hp presentations was to use the most ink if someone printed them out Apr 11 07:08:27 it wasn't a joke :) Apr 11 07:08:48 it's a corporate financial initiative Apr 11 07:10:10 I'm not too concerned about not being able to use the custom address. My roommate just got a Pixi. She can save the email address in Google. :) Apr 11 07:14:09 I think that I may have convinced my parents to consider getting one of these printers. Apr 11 07:34:01 morning Apr 11 07:34:42 'morning swisstomcat Apr 11 07:34:48 lo Apr 11 07:36:31 gutten morgen swisstomcat Apr 11 07:38:10 hi hotdp Apr 11 07:43:56 hotdp: Seems so Apr 11 07:44:09 hmm sounds like that might be a bug then? Apr 11 07:44:58 I'd say. Also see the last post at http://forums.palm.com/t5/Synergy-webOS/Can-t-activate-Google-Calendar-when-making-new-accounts/td-p/332658/page/3# Apr 11 07:59:09 Morning Apr 11 07:59:35 I'm fairly certain there isn't, but I figured I'd check anyway Apr 11 07:59:42 is there anything like vmware view for webos? Apr 11 08:00:12 summatusmentis: not to run on webos Apr 11 08:00:26 trying to gauge how much of my work could be done from a touchpad with a powerful desktop at home Apr 11 08:00:27 there are virtulaboxes that contain webos Apr 11 08:00:49 oh, yes, I meant for accessing virtualized machines using webos Apr 11 08:01:24 well i blieave there are remote desktop clients Apr 11 08:02:12 eg for connecting to windows desktops remotly Apr 11 08:06:03 Oh i only see prevnc which does not do Windows remote destoping Apr 11 08:06:58 I would test but my pixi died yesterday =( Apr 11 08:08:44 and vnc seems like it'd run something being virtualized quite slowly Apr 11 08:09:08 ls Apr 11 08:09:21 Sorry, wrong window was focused... Apr 11 08:12:52 no vnc is normaly quite fast Apr 11 08:21:12 Now, I only need a good ssh-app. Running openssh in SDLTerminal is pita Apr 11 13:52:13 heyo Apr 11 16:15:19 morning chuqui Apr 11 17:13:47 hey guys Apr 11 17:15:21 hello cwayne Apr 11 17:17:06 madnificent: you have any idea how to set up a button to send a user an MMS? Apr 11 17:17:19 it looks like the file HAS to be a .jpg and be in /media/interal... Apr 11 17:18:45 cwayne: never tried it, what's not working? Apr 11 17:20:09 cwayne: I believe (it's possible I'm mistaken), that the only way to access the filesystem is through API call (FilePicker maybe?), and I believe that's limited to /media/internal Apr 11 17:20:20 it's been a while since I've looked into it though Apr 11 17:20:31 so it's possible something has come up since then Apr 11 17:20:36 damn Apr 11 17:20:49 is there any way to get shit into /media/internal on install then? Apr 11 17:23:09 cwayne: could you give me the url of the documentation? Apr 11 17:23:21 cwayne: then I can look at it with you Apr 11 17:33:37 cwayne: what is it you're trying to do? you can package images with your app Apr 11 17:35:42 summatusmentis: into /media/internal? Apr 11 17:45:37 cwayne: the app I'm workin on has an images dir that I reference in the code, would that suffice? Apr 11 17:49:28 summatusmentis: nah, i can physically get the images if theyre in my images dir, but it seems they need to be in /media/internal on the device to be able to send them as mms Apr 11 17:51:44 oh, that I believe is true Apr 11 17:53:20 summatusmentis: hence my problem :) Apr 11 17:53:44 which is funny, cus the sample mms in the sdk points to an image not in media/internal Apr 11 17:53:44 lol Apr 11 17:58:29 you can download the iage Apr 11 17:58:32 image Apr 11 18:00:26 yeah i suppose i could do that Apr 11 18:00:41 i could pass it the url of the images folder in my app right Apr 11 18:00:46 and have it dl to media/internal Apr 11 18:06:49 http://lisimba.org/lichtenberg/lichtenberg.html Apr 11 18:07:43 maik, that kinda kills my browser Apr 11 18:07:44 :-D Apr 11 18:07:52 heh Apr 11 18:07:57 ah, done Apr 11 18:07:59 nice Apr 11 18:08:10 canvas rocks Apr 11 18:09:36 yar, linked to from some guy on the XKCD IRC channel. said he just made it using canvas, figured you guys would appreciate it Apr 11 18:11:26 I've never used it until recently Apr 11 18:11:35 ...when I started writing my first WebOS app Apr 11 18:11:36 :-D Apr 11 18:32:06 can i use downloadmanager to download a directory or does it have to be individual files Apr 11 18:54:01 cwayne: it downloads files Apr 11 18:55:15 well that sucks Apr 11 19:00:28 * sugardave told you to use download manager yesterday. Apr 11 19:00:36 but does anyone listen to me? NO! Apr 11 19:00:42 i didn't see that! Apr 11 19:00:47 apologies Apr 11 19:00:57 still sucks though Apr 11 19:00:59 lol Apr 11 19:01:33 are you sure you can't use Mojo.appPath + 'the/path' ? Apr 11 19:03:06 sugardave: i tried and it wouldnt properly attach it Apr 11 19:03:20 thats what they do in the mms example i believe, and it doesnt work there eitehr Apr 11 19:04:26 that would be a bug, then Apr 11 19:04:39 sugardave: did you say something? Apr 11 19:04:52 I never hear him talking Apr 11 19:04:57 ;) Apr 11 19:05:03 hehe Apr 11 19:05:09 lol Apr 11 19:06:51 I heard back from Hulu Apr 11 19:07:43 PatrickC_Pre2: go on Apr 11 19:08:44 they said "not at the moment, and I can't comment on our future roadmap, but we are really interested in webOS, and will defiantly keep you in mind when we decide to make a webOS app." Apr 11 19:09:11 and they are gonna send me a free Hulu gift kit Apr 11 19:09:21 haha Apr 11 19:09:29 PatrickC_Pre2: kid i know just accepted a job there Apr 11 19:09:32 i dont like it anymore. Apr 11 19:09:47 can he hook me up :) Apr 11 19:10:03 haha no, hes an egocentric jackass Apr 11 19:10:06 plus hes just working it Apr 11 19:10:08 I got the head of mobile development to email me back lol Apr 11 19:10:40 y don't you like it anymore? Apr 11 19:10:52 cus that kid works there Apr 11 19:10:55 it ruins hulu for me. Apr 11 19:10:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't used Hulu much, but I like the idea and its really nice Apr 11 19:10:59 lol Apr 11 19:11:56 but, I like that they said, "We think webOS is a great platform, and defiantly have it on out radar" Apr 11 19:12:03 ^^ direct quote :) Apr 11 19:12:50 hey PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 11 19:13:37 hay madnificent Apr 11 19:15:53 lol he said defiantly instead of definitely? Apr 11 19:17:24 what's hulu? Apr 11 19:18:13 I used auto correct on my part :p Apr 11 19:18:17 I can't spell Apr 11 19:18:28 metaview: http://hulu.com Apr 11 19:36:35 2.1 on pixi????? Apr 11 19:36:39 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280300-hp-webos2-1-pixi-wild-update-full-photos.html Apr 11 19:41:12 timeout timeout! :p Apr 11 19:41:20 ah now it's loading Apr 11 19:41:41 what's loading? :) Apr 11 19:41:51 precentral forum Apr 11 19:42:53 it timeouts here as well Apr 11 19:43:32 ugh Apr 11 19:43:40 package in the mail from microsoft.. Apr 11 19:43:42 Enclosed you will find a full version copy of Halo Reach. This copy is being provided to select Preview participants to help test out a new updated Xbox 360 disc format. Apr 11 19:43:49 meh.. i already have halo reach Apr 11 19:43:49 lol Apr 11 19:43:55 they should have known that from my achievements Apr 11 19:44:03 :P Apr 11 19:44:11 "dammit I wanted an unreleased game for free, not one I already own!" Apr 11 19:44:15 i like the big warnings Apr 11 19:44:31 IMPORTANT NOTE: ONLY USE THE DISC PROVIDED IN A REGISTERED PREVIEW CONSOLE. Apr 11 19:44:51 "IT WILL MURDER A KITTEN OTHERWISE" Apr 11 19:44:55 FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS NOTE WILL RESULT IN NON-PREVIEW CONSOLE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO LIVE UNTIL FINAL RELEASE OF SOFTWARE TO THE WORLD. Apr 11 19:45:07 pshh Apr 11 19:45:17 bascially it will update the console, but unless your in the preview program, your console is pretty much locked until the new version rolls out Apr 11 19:45:46 wow.. do you have a preview console? Apr 11 19:45:54 im in the program so yes Apr 11 19:46:03 i was in the last preview program too Apr 11 19:46:16 i had the new dashboard months before it officially was released Apr 11 19:46:29 now i has the next one ;P Apr 11 19:47:12 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes Nintendo did something like that... Apr 11 19:47:22 whats new with webos Apr 11 19:47:35 2.1 on the pixi Apr 11 19:47:37 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280300-hp-webos2-1-pixi-wild-update-full-photos.html Apr 11 19:48:14 PatrickC_Pre2: I prefer a company that doesn't mess up with their users, like Nintendo. Apr 11 19:48:16 I'm pretty sure hp is/was testing webos 2 on the pixi Apr 11 19:48:29 that's a safe bet Apr 11 19:48:39 They don't care if you modded your console, they let you log on to their servers and play anyway Apr 11 19:48:42 NuttyBunny: although I agree, I don't see what you're responding to Apr 11 19:49:13 NuttyBunny: and wait a minute, Nintendo tried all sort of mess to get us disconnected... they just made their security so rediculously bad that we could work around it... Apr 11 19:49:16 NuttyBunny: yeah.. but I wish they had a pre-release program for hadcore users Apr 11 19:49:46 but I certainly didn't upgrade more than once in order to keep the homebrew running on my Wii Apr 11 19:50:02 "hardcore Wii user"...that sounds funny Apr 11 19:50:07 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't rooted his 2 wii's yet? Apr 11 19:50:11 sugardave: :P Apr 11 19:50:26 well, I have 2 wii's, and 2 Ds' Apr 11 19:50:27 madnificent: Really? all sorts of mess? I've been playing Mario Kart for ages on a chipped wii :) the problem was that at one moment they coudn't cope with the load Apr 11 19:50:36 PatrickC_Pre2: how can you nod to it? The console is so mindboggingly boring that that's the only fun you'll have with it Apr 11 19:51:13 * avarus is satisfied with webos 1.4.5 so far Apr 11 19:51:21 doesn't it require changing a chip inside of it? Apr 11 19:51:21 NuttyBunny: nintendo doesn't detect the chip, that's what's happening. A non-chipped wii can be rooted as well and IIRC there have been at least 3 updates which dealt only with "STOP ROOTING YOUR WII" Apr 11 19:51:39 avarus: Once you touch 2.1 you won't go back Apr 11 19:51:42 woah Apr 11 19:51:44 woah wat Apr 11 19:51:49 PatrickC_Pre2: no, there are software mods as well. As I said, the Wii's security was FUBAR Apr 11 19:51:49 2.1 on verizon pixi? Apr 11 19:51:53 i ean on pixi* Apr 11 19:51:54 mean* Apr 11 19:52:09 baneener: a preview version, hardware might be different Apr 11 19:52:09 avarus: like nuttybunny said :) Apr 11 19:52:16 NuttyBunny, probably...when I touched webos 1.4.5 I wanted it on my iphone4 immediately :P Apr 11 19:52:23 prerelease hw probably Apr 11 19:52:31 madnificent: Just don't update :D My wii is both physically chipped and softmodded (I put the chip on a socket outside the Wii, so I can "disable" it anytime) Apr 11 19:52:32 oh Apr 11 19:52:34 lol Apr 11 19:52:39 you would want 2.1 on your evo next :) Apr 11 19:52:56 it's like my old audi 80...it's ok but when I drive a new mercedes it's like "woah" :P Apr 11 19:52:56 lolol Apr 11 19:53:09 NuttyBunny: I don't feel like chipping my wii lol Apr 11 19:53:30 NuttyBunny: but still, I don't think that nintendo is playing nice with us Apr 11 19:53:57 if they were, we would have Dvd playing capabilited without having to mod our wii Apr 11 19:53:57 NuttyBunny: I think it even voided warranty Apr 11 19:54:04 PatrickC_Pre2: Newer versions can't be chipped anyway :) Apr 11 19:54:15 if you opened the wii up, then it probably did Apr 11 19:54:26 nuttybunny: softmods still work? Apr 11 19:54:27 madnificent: The hardware chip, obviously, the softmode, can be reverted Apr 11 19:54:30 PatrickC_Pre2: no, softmod Apr 11 19:54:42 NuttyBunny: how are you going to revent it when it's broken and bricked? Apr 11 19:55:01 hp should build a newer pixi like phone with webos 2...the pre or pre2 are simply too thick for my taste Apr 11 19:55:05 s/revent/revert/ Apr 11 19:55:16 avarus: veer? Apr 11 19:55:17 avarus: see Veer Apr 11 19:55:21 nee, too small Apr 11 19:55:33 its a Pixi with 2.2 Apr 11 19:55:40 madificent: You install priiloader first, and then play with the IOSes :D if you ever almost brick it, you can always boot the priiloader and fix everything... Apr 11 19:55:45 is the Veer that much smaller than the pixi in screen size? (not resolution) Apr 11 19:55:47 but it's thick Apr 11 19:56:04 I wear tight jeans :P Apr 11 19:56:08 madnificent: its the pixi's screen afaik Apr 11 19:56:14 and super-pointy boots? Apr 11 19:56:18 hehe Apr 11 19:56:27 NuttyBunny: I mean, you only need the warranty if your wii is broken. Ergo, something that's supposed to work doesn't work anymore. Will you then be able to revert the changes... that's what I'm trying to point out. Apr 11 19:56:40 hows linphone coming along? Apr 11 19:57:05 just like doctoring back to 1.4.5 before you take your phone to sprint I would imagine ;) Apr 11 19:57:14 avarus: so basically, the Veer is a pixi with a slider mechanism... I assume it isn't really thick, but I don't know... probably thicker than a pixi... Apr 11 19:57:30 madnificent: if you do things right, you may be able to fix almost everything... of course, if it won't power up and they find out, you're screwed ;) Apr 11 19:57:31 ya, I'm not a slider fan just because they tend to be much thicker Apr 11 19:57:47 That's the reason I waited till my warranty died before modding it :D Apr 11 19:57:59 lol Apr 11 19:58:00 (launch christmas Wii) Apr 11 19:58:08 NuttyBunny: hehe Apr 11 19:58:16 wow... mine is about 2 years old Apr 11 19:58:28 we just bought a second one a few weeks/months ago Apr 11 19:58:42 At least install a usb loader and run all your games from a hard disk :D Apr 11 19:58:45 why would you buy a second Wii?! the thing is like blasphemy Apr 11 19:59:16 my parents like it, and wouldn't buy a 360/ps3 :/ Apr 11 19:59:36 reminds me when I bought a firewire cable just to connect two PS2 and play the only game that supported it, Gran Turismo 3 :D Apr 11 19:59:47 lol Apr 11 19:59:48 lol Apr 11 19:59:49 whoever chooses to not buy a PS3 has serious issues Apr 11 20:00:00 <-- Apr 11 20:00:05 ^ Apr 11 20:00:07 they don't want to spend the money on it :/ Apr 11 20:00:12 I decided for the xbox360 just because gt3 wasn't out yet Apr 11 20:00:32 eh gt5 :) Apr 11 20:00:35 i'm not financially fit to buy a ps3 :P Apr 11 20:00:44 sugardave: it has Gran Turismo... Apr 11 20:00:56 I want my PS3 for GT and Metal Gear Solid, but that will have to wait till christmas ;) Apr 11 20:01:03 madnificent: I know, I need to get GT5 Apr 11 20:01:06 sugardave: also, I actually like it. It's a fairly nice console imho... It never died on me Apr 11 20:01:13 sugardave: I have the collectors edition :) Apr 11 20:01:16 madnificent: re-read my statement :) Apr 11 20:01:18 wait no, the signature edition, it is Apr 11 20:01:24 sugardave: I am a fool Apr 11 20:01:28 sugardave: sorry :P Apr 11 20:01:33 sugardave: and now I agree Apr 11 20:01:34 unlike the 360's ring of death? Apr 11 20:01:48 ylod on the ps3 Apr 11 20:01:50 NuttyBunny: ie, yes Apr 11 20:01:52 I have a launch day "big money" PS3...replaced the drive with .5 TB, though Apr 11 20:02:34 sugardave: Those things rock!! Hardware PS2 emulation, nothing tops that :D Apr 11 20:02:41 indeed :) Apr 11 20:02:50 my cousin got the ylod (Yellow Light of Doom) a ton Apr 11 20:02:56 sugardave: I have a broken PS3 of the very first generation (don't know what they did to it, but the casing isn't complete anymore and there's an issue with the blueray laser) and a second generation 'big' PS3 Apr 11 20:03:06 it thought ps2 emulation was only supported by first gen PS3's Apr 11 20:03:12 baneener: true Apr 11 20:03:12 or am i wrong Apr 11 20:03:14 oh Apr 11 20:03:15 :3 Apr 11 20:03:32 * madnificent has a ps2 for ps2 games... I don't see why I should let the power monster run for playing a ps2 game Apr 11 20:03:33 they had some "second gen" models with software emulation, but I think they killed that? Apr 11 20:03:43 really? bah Apr 11 20:03:45 * avarus has a ps2, too Apr 11 20:03:49 and a broken ps1 :> Apr 11 20:03:54 sugardave: the software emulation didn't always work Apr 11 20:04:15 yeah, I wasn't convinced that was the best route Apr 11 20:04:16 on the first gen PS3 some PS2 games wouldn't run correctly either IIRC Apr 11 20:04:28 meh Apr 11 20:04:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 has a PS2, GC, GameBoy Advance SP, DS Original, DS Lite, and 2 Wii's Apr 11 20:04:37 regardless, this is a webos channel :) Apr 11 20:04:46 and nobody cares :P Apr 11 20:04:48 lol Apr 11 20:05:06 lol Apr 11 20:06:08 anyone else seeing odd text at the top of the page when visiting the dev forums? Apr 11 20:06:52 me 2 Apr 11 20:07:09 told chuqu yesterday Apr 11 20:07:15 bbl Apr 11 20:07:20 ok, so he has been told Apr 11 20:07:20 cya Apr 11 20:07:36 * NuttyBunny has a two C-64, a C-16, a VIC-20, 3 Ataris 2600, a Sega Master System, Genesis, NES, Super NES, Gameboy, Game gear, Gameboy advance (with light), Gameboy advance SP, Nintendo DS, Nintendo 64, Playstation 2, Dreamcast, Original Xbox, and Wii :) Apr 11 20:07:54 ok, sorry, that was overkill ;) Apr 11 20:08:00 lol Apr 11 20:08:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 would like nuttybunny to incorporate IRC with my messaging plugin :) Apr 11 20:08:58 mmm... dunno, you have wIRC :P Apr 11 20:09:12 I know ;) Apr 11 20:09:14 * madnificent wolud like to concentrate, but his brain thinks differently Apr 11 20:09:25 madnificent: same here :p Apr 11 20:09:39 school needs to be done, but brain says otherwise :/ Apr 11 20:09:52 same here with work :S Apr 11 20:10:24 anyone else about to/did/is getting hammered by this storm system moving across the US? Apr 11 20:11:07 ping sugardave Apr 11 20:12:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 was wondering why my pre2 was slower then normal.. govnah profile changed.. back to 1.4GHz I go! :) Apr 11 20:13:28 :P I'm fine at 800/500 with my Plus Apr 11 20:15:56 I'm on 500/1.1 on my minus Apr 11 20:16:51 Mi Minus can run from 125 up to 1.1 :D too bad it's in a bag, torn to pieces right now, waiting for a donor... Apr 11 20:17:17 swisstomcat: pong Apr 11 20:17:18 :'( Apr 11 20:17:43 sugardave: see pm Apr 11 20:18:56 Palm Pre 2 on waking the dead just then! Apr 11 20:18:56 =D Apr 11 20:19:02 or Pre Plus Apr 11 20:19:04 either way Apr 11 20:33:25 ouch Apr 11 20:33:26 [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /var/www/sites/pds/developer.palm.com/html/libraries/externals/Palm/DevPortal/Integration/Typo3/Proxy.php on line 69:file_get_contents(/var/www/sites/pds/developer.palm.com/html/libraries/externals/Palm/DevPortal/Integration/Typo3/typo3-topnav-content.json) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory Apr 11 20:33:31 developer portal Apr 11 20:33:49 :> Apr 11 20:33:53 turn debug off! Apr 11 20:33:56 yeah Apr 11 20:34:07 it gives away information about the site Apr 11 20:34:13 indeed Apr 11 20:36:43 I saw that on my pre2 lol Apr 11 20:57:39 mhh Apr 11 20:57:51 what? Apr 11 20:57:57 in what directory expects the pixi the music to be? Apr 11 20:58:34 what format is your music in? Apr 11 20:58:39 mp3 :) Apr 11 20:58:55 hmm.. not sure, I use AAC Apr 11 20:59:02 I believe it doesn't matter Apr 11 20:59:13 ok, thought so :) Apr 11 20:59:15 thx Apr 11 20:59:26 avarus: as long as it's under /media/internal, I don't think it matters Apr 11 20:59:26 np Apr 11 20:59:53 I don't even have media but I guess I just create it right now :) Apr 11 21:00:11 sugardave: idk if you saw, hulu emaild me back :) Apr 11 21:00:28 * halfhalo is to freaking tired Apr 11 21:00:29 so how many apps are you working on, then? Apr 11 21:01:12 avarus: you don't have a /media directory on your phone? Apr 11 21:01:30 they said not at this time... but 2 apps atm Apr 11 21:01:52 I don't know what's it on the phone, sugardave, I only see what the palm has mounted on my os :) Apr 11 21:02:08 oh, you must have done "USB drive" Apr 11 21:02:16 I have, yes Apr 11 21:02:20 so it mounts the /media/internal directory as that drive Apr 11 21:02:24 ah ok :) Apr 11 21:02:30 then it will work :) Apr 11 21:02:33 if you shell in via novaterm or ssh, you will see /media as one of the partitions Apr 11 21:02:47 I can ssh on the phone?! :P Apr 11 21:02:51 indeed Apr 11 21:02:56 ootb? Apr 11 21:02:59 or changes needed? Apr 11 21:03:00 its just linux :) Apr 11 21:03:06 ya, I noticed that Apr 11 21:03:11 but that doesn't mean anything today :) Apr 11 21:03:12 well, after installing optware and openSSH or dropbear Apr 11 21:03:18 ah ok :) Apr 11 21:03:19 but yes Apr 11 21:03:28 I'll do it on the next weekend Apr 11 21:03:30 novaterm will give you shell access Apr 11 21:03:30 preware and stuff Apr 11 21:03:36 want zcoder on the phone Apr 11 21:03:45 sugardave: they said no, but we'll send you a free hulu gift basket Apr 11 21:03:45 eh zcorder?! the voice recorder thingy ;) Apr 11 21:03:46 lol Apr 11 21:04:06 avarus: what device? Apr 11 21:04:14 pixi plus Apr 11 21:04:52 ah ok.. I would have suggested something like Voice Memos for webOS Apr 11 21:05:17 it was quite strange to notice that webos doesn't have a voice recorder Apr 11 21:05:34 it does in 2.x and above Apr 11 21:05:40 ah :> Apr 11 21:06:17 that's why I was asking what device you had :) if it was a pre-/+/2 then you could have 2.1 and get it ;) Apr 11 21:06:23 k :) Apr 11 21:07:55 I just bought it to play around with webos Apr 11 21:08:04 but now I like it even more than my ip4 Apr 11 21:08:17 GSM/CDMA? Apr 11 21:08:59 wait, lemme guess... ip4.. so GSM?? :) Apr 11 21:10:22 GSM, GPRS, Edge, HSDPA etc... :P Apr 11 21:11:27 try the pre2, you'll love it :) Apr 11 21:11:36 cannot buy it here Apr 11 21:12:06 hp's website? Apr 11 21:12:55 get an unlocked one Apr 11 21:13:04 it *should* work, right? Apr 11 21:13:15 they were never locked here Apr 11 21:13:30 but buying an unlocked one would work, right? Apr 11 21:13:59 the hp shop only offers me the pixi and pre Apr 11 21:14:07 no pre2 and no pre3 Apr 11 21:14:24 pre3 is not out yet Apr 11 21:14:27 ah and the pre plus Apr 11 21:15:29 the pre plus is at 360 eur Apr 11 21:15:42 a little pricey, but try this Apr 11 21:15:45 ^^ http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/handheld/iPAQ/1/storefronts/FB324AA%23ABA Apr 11 21:16:13 We're sorry, the page requested was not found <-- guess hp makes shitty websites (still :P) Apr 11 21:16:48 I guess I just wait for the pre3 Apr 11 21:17:20 http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/FB324AA%2523ABA/1?jumpid=in_r329_personalization/browse1/home_PDP Apr 11 21:17:27 should work Apr 11 21:17:46 and that works here with umts, hsdpa etc...? Apr 11 21:18:14 I believe so... chuqui: it would, wouldn't it? Apr 11 21:18:39 or anyone that knows, not just chuq ;) Apr 11 21:19:53 doesn't matter; they won't ship it to me :P Apr 11 21:20:30 and even with shipment I would be at almost 400-450 eur Apr 11 21:20:55 ah ok.. why won't they ship it to you? Apr 11 21:21:12 dunno Apr 11 21:21:35 it says that they only ship to the 50 states of the holy america :) Apr 11 21:22:08 man, that stinks... so, I guess you would have 2 options to get one.. Apr 11 21:22:24 have it ship to some one in the US and have them ship it to you Apr 11 21:22:30 or get a dev device Apr 11 21:22:38 I know a service that does that: borderlinx.com Apr 11 21:22:49 brb Apr 11 21:22:58 but it's quite pricey and I think it's better to wait for the newer pre3 Apr 11 21:23:21 and as I'm satisfied with the pixi, it's ok for me now :) Apr 11 21:23:23 you're gambling that you'll be able to get one Apr 11 21:23:27 (Pre 3) Apr 11 21:25:28 perhaps hp is learning :) Apr 11 21:25:42 still don't get why they have a so fucking bad marketing here Apr 11 21:26:37 it's lame, yeah. Why can Apple sell a phone all over the world, but HP cannot? Apr 11 21:27:11 i want an apple now Apr 11 21:27:21 and me a coke Apr 11 21:27:31 *sniff Apr 11 21:27:32 ;) Apr 11 21:27:43 we should totally make a apple flavored coke Apr 11 21:27:45 *drikn Apr 11 21:27:47 drink* Apr 11 21:27:48 :3 Apr 11 21:28:02 :) Apr 11 21:28:55 anyone know what i can use to compress mp3 files Apr 11 21:29:05 like something that i can super compress it with Apr 11 21:30:16 mp3 is already a lossy compression method Apr 11 21:30:41 I know you knew that before :P Apr 11 21:32:26 https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/music23.PNG?w=408fb250 Apr 11 21:32:29 ye lol Apr 11 21:32:53 but i need to compress 77gigs of music as small as possible Apr 11 21:32:55 baneener: mp3 is basically incompressible Apr 11 21:33:09 not even in a .zip file? Apr 11 21:34:50 zipping it up will usually save you a tiny amount or make the zip larger than the mp3 itself. Apr 11 21:34:50 try it out :) perhaps the file will grow in size Apr 11 21:34:51 lol Apr 11 21:34:52 yeah maybe Apr 11 21:34:54 i still have another 30 or 40 gigs on my other pc :3 Apr 11 21:34:54 baneener: basically, mp3 already tries to be compressed as tightly as possible to begin with, you won't achieve anything trying to compress more Apr 11 21:34:54 unless you want to degrade quality a lot Apr 11 21:35:03 lol nah. not gonna degrade quality more than 128kbps. Apr 11 21:36:19 * halfhalo strokes his non mp3 media collection Apr 11 21:36:41 halfhalo: FLAC FTW :) Apr 11 21:36:48 well, until its put on the zune anywho Apr 11 21:36:52 flac is just wave with metainfo :P Apr 11 21:37:14 avarus: FLAC is lossless compression optimized for audio Apr 11 21:37:17 ya I know Apr 11 21:37:27 I just store stuff in ALAC. ;x Apr 11 21:37:33 I always blame it for it's .wav like filesize :) Apr 11 21:37:53 its Apr 11 21:37:53 Don't even need to bother with transcoding! Apr 11 21:37:53 And most everything else is just 256 VBR AAC. Apr 11 21:38:13 FLAC takes less space than mp3? Apr 11 21:38:14 More stuff needs to do AAC-HE playback. Apr 11 21:38:32 No. An 8mb MP3 would probably be 30-40mb in FLAC. Apr 11 21:38:47 ;o Apr 11 21:38:58 lol nah i'm good with mp3 :3 Apr 11 21:39:05 oh no, I discovered my dubmood collection :> Apr 11 21:39:07 bah Apr 11 21:39:33 i need to build my techno collection after i finish building my reggae collection Apr 11 21:39:39 anyone know any good techno? Apr 11 21:39:46 lol I set the keygen music as a ringtone :P Apr 11 21:39:54 I got pissed at my brother for breaking his decently decent headphones and replacing them with a poc 30 dollar pair last weekend... :/ Apr 11 21:40:06 lol Apr 11 21:41:03 i bought these really nice $10 headphones over the summer. best $10 i ever spent till one side stopped working Apr 11 21:41:06 baneener: this discussion is just a bit off-topic for #webos. might be a better channel for it somewhere else.. Apr 11 21:41:06 lol :P Apr 11 21:41:07 /O Apr 11 21:41:07 FLAC/ALAC is lossless though, so you can just use it to make whatever you want out of it to play on device X Apr 11 21:41:34 * halfhalo goes and cries in the corner at the thought of 10 dollar headphones Apr 11 21:41:37 SineOt: speaking of webos, can you play FLAC on it yet? I haven't kept up with the codec stuff people were working on Apr 11 21:41:56 lol sorry destinal Apr 11 21:42:08 was just going along with the crowd :3 Apr 11 21:42:21 way better than total silence Apr 11 21:42:30 Maybe? I'm not sure if there's any FLAC support in webOS yet and honestly, there's not really much point to lossless on webOS right now Apr 11 21:42:34 anywho, can the pre2 read barcodes yet? Apr 11 21:42:51 SineOt: maybe on touchpad with 'beats audio' supposed to be high fidelity.. Apr 11 21:42:53 the DAC in the Pixi is kind of gross and I haven't listened to enough stuff on the Pre/Pre2 to pass a judgement call on it either Apr 11 21:44:13 SineOt: yeah, the bluetooth a2dp audio profile settings are pretty bad too, at least they were in 1.x Apr 11 21:44:25 haven't tried in 2.x Apr 11 21:44:37 I don't have any A2DP headphones so I've never tested it XD Apr 11 21:44:50 but I know the Pixi has a LOT of background noise when the DAC is powered Apr 11 21:54:38 great, now my pixi rings with a cracktro :P Apr 11 21:55:17 rofl Apr 11 21:59:14 good night! :) Apr 11 22:00:56 its only afternoon over here :D Apr 11 22:01:40 12 am here Apr 11 22:02:43 lol Apr 11 22:02:49 what state Apr 11 22:08:32 baneener: in Bogota I actually had a "manzana" drink made by Coca-Cola Apr 11 22:08:35 it was pretty good Apr 11 22:10:19 manzana? Apr 11 22:10:27 sounds like it has alcohol :P Apr 11 22:13:10 nope, right out of the fountain....it looked like pink lemondae Apr 11 22:14:32 they had an "uva" one, but it was out of order, so I didn't get to try it Apr 11 22:15:15 oh Apr 11 22:15:17 hey guys Apr 11 22:15:20 lol Apr 11 22:15:23 hi Apr 11 22:15:43 What would you guys consider to be an acceptable first run duration? Apr 11 22:15:54 (I'm inserting into a database on first run) Apr 11 22:16:13 I dunno. Make it interesting while it's working! Apr 11 22:16:29 based on the times you gave the other day, I'd make sure they can do SOMETHING while all that data is being inserted Apr 11 22:16:51 sugardave: I've sped it up since Apr 11 22:17:06 to.... Apr 11 22:17:11 30 secs Apr 11 22:17:23 which is still annoying Apr 11 22:17:25 on-device? Apr 11 22:17:29 yeah Apr 11 22:17:36 on a palm pixi plus Apr 11 22:17:43 http://cgi.ebay.com/BCK-08-Slim-A2DP-Stereo-universal-Bluetooth-Headset-new-/250720185465?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a60166c79 Apr 11 22:17:53 just for anyone who wants an A2DP headset adapter Apr 11 22:17:57 seems pretty cool to me Apr 11 22:18:13 just throw up some "here's how" type of screens and don't let them dismiss it for 5 seconds a la Preware release notes Apr 11 22:18:35 I was just going to say had some stupid animation or something going on. Apr 11 22:18:51 * Popple3 ponders an amusing animation to display during first run Apr 11 22:19:07 * madnificent displays a text saying "RTFM" Apr 11 22:19:15 but friendlier Apr 11 22:19:42 "Please wait while the application optimizes itself to your hardware" Apr 11 22:19:49 make it sound all fancy and shit Apr 11 22:19:59 thats when the hippies attack Apr 11 22:20:05 sugardave: I like the idea of "here's how". Even just small snippets that swipe across the screen, kinda like a slideshow of sorts would be nice Apr 11 22:21:18 "Discombobulating the thingy-ma-jig in to your what-ya-ma-call-it" Apr 11 22:23:20 tornado watches and tornatic activity 'round here right now :/ Apr 11 22:24:38 hide underneath a table! Apr 11 22:27:38 I remember being in a quake in Tokyo and thinking "Shit, should I get under a table?" Apr 11 22:29:00 I remember doing earthquake drills in elementary school. Had to get under our desks… Of course, even then, I knew that a desk that couldn't hold up a 3rd grader sitting on it probably wouldn't be much help. @_@ Apr 11 22:29:56 "duck and cover" Apr 11 22:31:38 There's old instructional videos from the 60s with those drills incase the Russians were attacking. Apr 11 22:31:55 or was it the 50s? Apr 11 22:32:43 YES, classic! Apr 11 22:32:45 Yeah. At least now my home desk is massive and sturdy! Apr 11 22:33:12 Mine's a piece of crap that would probably fall apart when I try stand up Apr 11 22:33:25 Thankfully, living in Ireland, I don't have to worry about such events :P Apr 11 22:33:35 you just wait Apr 11 22:33:47 climate change is bringing tornadoes, my prediction Apr 11 22:34:04 stay away from windows, got it :P Apr 11 22:34:18 Living in Southern California, we always keep getting told that we're over due for the next large quake event! :U Apr 11 22:34:48 Popple3: an F5 can take your whole house off the foundation :) Apr 11 22:35:24 sugardave: What about an apartment/retail block? :P Apr 11 22:35:37 DO NOT BE IN A TRAILER/MOBILE HOME Apr 11 22:35:40 that will be instant death Apr 11 22:35:46 SineOt: sigh, the San Andreas fault has been due for the "big one" for years now Apr 11 22:36:02 Ayeeeup. Apr 11 22:37:32 watch 2012/Skyline/The day after Tomorrow/Cloverfield/Indepence Day/Godzilla and get ready! Apr 11 22:38:08 Some Cascadia/Fort Tejon/1906 monster. Apr 11 22:39:36 The fault scarp from the 1872 Lone Pine earthquake is kind of crazy to drive by. Apr 11 22:40:47 * Popple3 googles Apr 11 22:40:57 I haven't seen Skyline or Cloverfield Apr 11 22:41:04 I refuse to watch the recent Godzilla Apr 11 22:41:38 the one where Diddy butchered Kashmir for the theme song? :) Apr 11 22:41:54 just another reason Apr 11 22:42:18 heh, I love hip hop but that was sacrilege Apr 11 22:43:27 is that PatrickC_Home ON A PC?! Apr 11 22:43:45 OH MAH LAWD Apr 11 22:43:55 sugardave: yep :) Apr 11 22:44:00 finally lol Apr 11 22:44:14 can i charge my pre2 with the USB cable and the touchstone?? Apr 11 22:44:27 I don't think so Apr 11 22:44:59 hmm ok Apr 11 22:45:32 now, time to learn cookies for realz Apr 11 22:45:34 ? Apr 11 22:45:49 ive been trying to learn cookies for my app, with no luck Apr 11 22:45:53 mmmmmmmm.... cookies.... Apr 11 22:47:36 so, i need to learn if/else statement for cookies, right?? Apr 11 22:48:26 are you serious? Apr 11 22:48:41 im just making sure.. Apr 11 22:48:43 lol Apr 11 22:48:56 PatrickC_Home: if/else statements are very basic js.. gotta learn them if you are going to be able to do anything Apr 11 22:49:00 here is my cookie strategy: try to open when the app starts, if it isn't there that is "first run" so set a global flag I can use somewhere, otherwise read the cookie's contents into a global object that I use elsewhere. when a value in the global object changes, re-write the cookie Apr 11 22:49:41 PatrickC_Home: gotta learn to walk before you can run. Apr 11 22:49:56 ok... Apr 11 22:51:50 PatrickC_Home: My 2¢: Create a new project, with a textfield, a button, and just a div with an id (so you can access it). When you tap the button, set a cookie value, in the setup/activate try and get that cookie value and display it in the div Apr 11 22:52:21 so, in other words, just make an app that uses a cookie, and that is the sole purpose of the app? Apr 11 22:52:23 good idea Apr 11 22:52:28 yup Apr 11 22:52:35 ill do that Apr 11 22:52:52 after that, mess about with it, like check if the cookie exists on launch, and if not display different text, then you have the building blocks you need for what you want to do Apr 11 22:53:53 And I do hope that on the most basic conceptual level if/else statements make sense right now :C Apr 11 22:53:59 I would be very worried if they didn't Apr 11 22:54:07 what has happened to critical thinking and analysis? Apr 11 22:54:10 * sugardave cries. Apr 11 22:54:39 sugardave: if/else isn't even really that critical in involvement! Apr 11 22:55:19 * PatrickC_Home hasnt learned much JS, i just stared hardcore SDK development... Apr 11 22:55:21 IF HUNGRY IS TRUE { EAT A FOOD } ELSE { DON'T EAT A FOOD } Apr 11 22:56:23 I hate having a tickling desire to work on a bunch of different things. Apr 11 22:56:29 if (thisThing) { doThat(); } else { ohNoWaitDoThatOtherThing(); } Apr 11 22:56:55 should i save and retrieve an object or a singal variable? Apr 11 22:57:00 go crazy Apr 11 22:57:06 it's up to you Apr 11 22:57:17 save and retrieve an entire side of beef and potatoes Apr 11 22:57:27 SineOt: I know, but with those skills it's easy to figure out what if/else does Apr 11 22:57:34 convert an image to base64 and save that to multiple cookies Apr 11 22:57:36 and/or how to wield it Apr 11 22:57:37 PatrickC_Home: remember, walk before you can run ;) Apr 11 22:57:54 Popple3: so single variable? :) Apr 11 22:57:59 or else you're gonna break a leg! Apr 11 22:58:04 * Tibfib slaps knee Apr 11 22:58:09 being self aware should be enough to figure out what if/else does :p Apr 11 22:58:21 var singleVariable = {aProperty: "some value", anotherProperty" Apr 11 22:58:28 * halfhalo has actually tried to save a picture in a cookie before.... :p Apr 11 22:58:29 : "anotherValue"}; Apr 11 22:58:30 etc. Apr 11 22:58:33 sugardave: lol Apr 11 22:58:42 halfhalo: heh, did you have to use more than one? Apr 11 22:58:54 or is this not webOS ? Apr 11 22:58:58 desktop Apr 11 22:59:06 ah Apr 11 23:00:53 gosh. the webosroundup people are bad at tagging podcasts Apr 11 23:01:24 bothers me sooo much. Apr 11 23:01:36 SineOt: one could argue that it took critical thinking and analysis to become self-aware ;) Apr 11 23:02:26 is the developer site lagging/not loading for anyone else?\ Apr 11 23:02:43 sugardave: how's the process going? Apr 11 23:02:53 PatrickC_Home: Nope, pretty ok here for me Apr 11 23:02:59 hmm.. ok Apr 11 23:03:05 Tibfib: so far so good, still waiting to hear about a trip to Sunnyvale Apr 11 23:03:11 it wont load the developer reference, or the login page for me Apr 11 23:03:13 sugardave: oh you haven't yet? Apr 11 23:03:16 I thought you had Apr 11 23:03:18 not yet Apr 11 23:03:28 *gone to sunnyvale* Apr 11 23:03:44 nope, it's next on the stop list :) Apr 11 23:03:53 heh :) Apr 11 23:03:58 would you have to relocate? Apr 11 23:04:08 no, that's the awesome part :) Apr 11 23:04:16 nice! Apr 11 23:04:29 col Apr 11 23:04:32 cool** Apr 11 23:04:57 * PatrickC_Home is wondering if its worth fixing this issue in mojo, or waiting till enyo comes out... Apr 11 23:05:15 dev portal is not refreshing for me atm Apr 11 23:06:15 dundun Apr 11 23:06:45 cookie is the easiest to do over db8, depot, and HTML5 database, correct? Apr 11 23:06:51 by far Apr 11 23:06:56 ok Apr 11 23:07:00 * halfhalo hugs orm's Apr 11 23:07:08 has anyone heard from Mugen/JSpecMugen/Orithima/Jrake lately? ._. Apr 11 23:07:56 nyet Apr 11 23:08:14 so, cookies are json? Apr 11 23:08:22 yep Apr 11 23:08:23 "the cookie is passed as a single JSON object" from the dev site Apr 11 23:08:31 i thought they were JS? Apr 11 23:08:37 * halfhalo wonders if they are jsonjson or jsjson Apr 11 23:08:40 json is a data type Apr 11 23:08:55 js is a programming language :) Apr 11 23:09:00 ah ok :) Apr 11 23:09:11 i was wondering, as we have .json and .js files.. lol Apr 11 23:09:37 eval ftw :p Apr 11 23:10:00 hah Apr 11 23:10:00 whoa, finally refreshed and there are WAY more error lines now Apr 11 23:10:02 JSON.parse ftw :P Apr 11 23:10:11 eval is evil Apr 11 23:10:15 :p Apr 11 23:10:24 live si lave Apr 11 23:10:50 racecar Apr 11 23:10:53 racecar. Apr 11 23:10:58 don't lie, eval is the bestest ever Apr 11 23:11:00 bob Apr 11 23:11:01 bob Apr 11 23:11:13 am i better off using eclipse, or straight text editor? Apr 11 23:11:15 a man, a plan, a canal, Panama! Apr 11 23:11:28 PatrickC_Home: that's a personal preference Apr 11 23:11:41 that no one prefers Apr 11 23:11:43 j/k Apr 11 23:11:45 are we starting with palyndromes again? :) Apr 11 23:11:57 guuuuuu Apr 11 23:12:00 palindromes* Apr 11 23:12:00 eclipse has a js validator built-in correct? Apr 11 23:12:27 http://norvig.com/pal17txt.html Apr 11 23:12:29 * Tibfib wins Apr 11 23:12:34 hehehe :P Apr 11 23:12:43 PatrickC_Home: I think you might have to install the aptana plugin Apr 11 23:13:08 Tibfib: You win this round... And probably every subsequent round... Apr 11 23:13:09 i probably will, so itll validate for me (thats probably where most my problems lie) Apr 11 23:13:53 * PatrickC_Home kicks the palm servers to make them work again Apr 11 23:14:08 Tibfib: tl;dr Apr 11 23:14:13 the palm dev forum is taking forever to load :( Apr 11 23:14:39 all stuff at developer.palm.com is taking forever to load..... :/ Apr 11 23:14:51 yeah, just noiced that Apr 11 23:15:31 * PatrickC_Home kicks the palm servers repeatedly Apr 11 23:15:47 now i cant learn anything :'( Apr 11 23:15:55 that's a lie Apr 11 23:16:06 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript Apr 11 23:16:17 and there are lots of good samples included in the sdk Apr 11 23:16:22 for mojo stuff Apr 11 23:16:26 i wanted to get the eclipse thing set up Apr 11 23:16:46 Tibfib: For Mojo.Model.Cookie? :P Apr 11 23:16:48 oh wait Apr 11 23:16:50 "anything" Apr 11 23:16:52 touché Apr 11 23:16:58 i can use webos101 for the documentation (or the sdk like you said) but i want to get the stuff to setup eclipse Apr 11 23:16:58 :) Apr 11 23:17:06 http://yfrog.com/h07klwlj :( Apr 11 23:17:19 halfhalo: oww :( Apr 11 23:17:21 your dog? Apr 11 23:17:24 halfhalo: whoa? Apr 11 23:17:26 halfhalo: ouch Apr 11 23:17:30 yup, thats my pup Apr 11 23:17:35 There are three of those Apr 11 23:17:46 are those bites? Apr 11 23:17:47 they have better put the pit bull down...... Apr 11 23:17:58 (On a side note, yfrog finally got a much needed makeover) Apr 11 23:18:21 I don't blame the dog, I blame the owners. Apr 11 23:18:33 yeah Apr 11 23:18:41 that sucks :( Apr 11 23:19:12 does sublime text 2 have a js validator? Apr 11 23:19:22 validator? Apr 11 23:19:32 like eclipse Apr 11 23:19:43 PatrickC_Home: I just tend to use JSLint Apr 11 23:19:53 (and then cry repeatedly at my never perfect JS) Apr 11 23:19:58 i could use that... lol Apr 11 23:19:58 psssh Apr 11 23:20:05 I hope not.... I have those things that are built it, they never freaking work right for me Apr 11 23:20:13 my js is far from perfect Apr 11 23:20:16 * Tibfib rarely uses jslint Apr 11 23:20:21 jslint will make you cry Apr 11 23:20:34 I didn't even know about the JS validator in Eclipse until haeffb made told me about it a few months ago Apr 11 23:20:39 sublime text 2 does not afaik Apr 11 23:20:39 its made me cry before :/ Apr 11 23:20:44 * halfhalo just goes "does it work." "Yes" "Stick some try/catch in there and ship it!" Apr 11 23:21:00 Tibfib: I use it to pick up syntax errors, but rage when it tells me in for (var i = 0; i < blah; i++) that the var should be outside the loop Apr 11 23:21:13 heh yeahh Apr 11 23:21:15 haha Apr 11 23:21:16 it's crazy Apr 11 23:21:23 * halfhalo rarely does for loops now Apr 11 23:21:33 halfhalo: use methods? Apr 11 23:21:42 underscore baby, underscore Apr 11 23:21:45 it's "recommended" that you declare ALL your variables at the top of the scope Apr 11 23:21:58 _.each(obj||array,function(val,key){}) Apr 11 23:22:18 what is all the debug junk in the forums? Apr 11 23:22:37 halfhalo: I was waiting for some pointlessly convoluted method using recursive functions Apr 11 23:22:49 I are disappoint Apr 11 23:22:51 halfhalo: wtf is underscore? Apr 11 23:22:54 halfhalo: ah, you're one of those that realizes that for is blasphemy Apr 11 23:22:58 a library? Apr 11 23:23:15 sugardave: yup. 2.1.0 has it on device right now, at least for node iirc Apr 11 23:23:17 halfhalo: good lib? Apr 11 23:23:20 nice Apr 11 23:23:30 I use it, I like it, its simple, but powerfull Apr 11 23:23:31 oh really? I wonder if it is in mojo Apr 11 23:23:32 I loved Prototype's .each Apr 11 23:23:38 Then again, I only use _.each :p Apr 11 23:24:12 It would be easy enough to stick .each into the Object and Array objects, but bleh Apr 11 23:24:25 ares debugger tells me that _ is undefined Apr 11 23:24:36 oh, altho I don't have the 2.1 emu running Apr 11 23:24:36 it's in node Apr 11 23:24:37 2.0 Apr 11 23:24:41 then its not setup in ares Apr 11 23:24:49 well, you can use it in the browser as well Apr 11 23:24:55 yeah, I was just wondering if it was in mojo too Apr 11 23:24:55 ah, cool Apr 11 23:24:59 http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/ Apr 11 23:25:03 I see now Apr 11 23:25:52 it did confuse me when I upgraded it. Older versions in node automatically set _ to the library, but new versions make you do _=require('underscore') Apr 11 23:26:35 * PatrickC_Home is gonna work on cloudnav now.... Apr 11 23:26:57 Arrays in JS have a .forEach method, these days, you don't need any fancy libs... :-) Apr 11 23:27:19 objects, dont forget about them objects Apr 11 23:27:35 stupid objects. Apr 11 23:27:54 8*) Apr 11 23:27:55 Right, well I'm off to bed before I end up with another sleepless night Apr 11 23:27:58 night guys Apr 11 23:28:01 the pre is 320px by 480px correct? Apr 11 23:28:02 cya Apr 11 23:28:07 night popple3 Apr 11 23:28:12 halfhalo: looking at the docs, _ looks pretty sweet Apr 11 23:28:14 Popple3: s Apr 11 23:28:14 c Apr 11 23:28:18 oops. Popple3: cya Apr 11 23:28:53 buby Popple3 Apr 11 23:32:22 hmm.. change a little bit of code, and now it doesnt even give me a usable error... Apr 11 23:32:23 brb Apr 11 23:33:39 hey, I've been writing JS in rhino lately. If any optimization level is on (even the default), often it won't even give a line number for the error... Apr 11 23:35:57 bemjb: psh, node is where its at Apr 11 23:37:36 jslint doesnt like my .js file :p Apr 11 23:37:52 going pre2 mode Apr 11 23:39:15 not being on the PC isn't going to help your error Apr 11 23:39:26 halfhalo: yeah, but we're a Java shop, so being able to use Java libs is really useful Apr 11 23:39:41 who's fault is that! Apr 11 23:39:52 oil's? Apr 11 23:39:59 psh Apr 11 23:42:18 sugardave: lol.. I know, I'm playing a game with my little bro right now, so coding time ended Apr 11 23:42:27 and its always oil's fault Apr 11 23:42:37 the high gas prices, fighting, etc. :) Apr 11 23:42:52 * halfhalo has a new node base for his node based web apps: cluster + express + underscore + colorful logs) Apr 12 00:21:40 halfhalo: you here? Apr 12 00:24:34 mebe Apr 12 00:25:20 sorry to be random, but i'd liek to share that this is by far the most wierdest thing i've ever seen for sale on ebay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270657671357 Apr 12 00:26:52 wow... Apr 12 00:27:05 yeah... Apr 12 00:27:10 dont ask how i bumped into it Apr 12 00:27:29 I don't want to know... Apr 12 00:27:35 good Apr 12 00:27:38 HOW? Apr 12 00:27:58 i like how it has numbers Apr 12 00:28:05 so you could still use it for yhatzee Apr 12 00:28:14 or boggle Apr 12 00:28:21 haha Apr 12 00:29:04 hay rwhitby Apr 12 00:29:44 well then... Apr 12 00:30:03 lol Apr 12 00:30:16 i found it browsing this sellers sold items Apr 12 00:30:28 should totally buy it for playing craps Apr 12 00:30:39 you could probably use it for yahtzee or boggle even if it didn't have the numbers Apr 12 00:30:41 ;) Apr 12 00:30:46 lol Apr 12 00:30:57 6 69's, yahtzee Apr 12 00:36:14 ugh wtf downloadmanager Apr 12 00:40:28 dang. I want to read ender's game again Apr 12 00:40:56 * Tibfib wishes he had a touchpad to read it on Apr 12 01:09:21 okay any idea why whenever i try to use downloadmanager to dl an image, instead of whatevs.jpg its saving as .whatevs.jpg, but is also 0 bytes big Apr 12 01:14:10 with a completionstatuscode of -1 Apr 12 01:17:31 sugardave: you are near Austin TX, right? Apr 12 01:17:32 what's the dialer shortcut to dump contacts to transfer them to another phone? Apr 12 01:17:48 on the 2.1 wiki I believe Apr 12 01:17:55 I am Apr 12 01:18:11 there's a Palm place there, isn't there? Apr 12 01:18:13 know what i'm talkin about? Apr 12 01:18:22 pandora-- yeah Apr 12 01:18:33 I don't think so Apr 12 01:18:35 sugardave: unwiredben's there too :) Apr 12 01:18:42 yeah Apr 12 01:18:46 PatrickC_Pre2: i know it's SOMEWHERE on precentral, but I can't seem to find it Apr 12 01:18:55 pandora-- 1 second Apr 12 01:19:03 kk Apr 12 01:19:47 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-synergy-synchronization/215705-howto-transfer-contacts-palm-profile-gmail-yahoo-mail-easier-way-2.html#post2886607 Apr 12 01:19:49 ^^ should work Apr 12 01:20:23 lemme know if that's what you need Apr 12 01:20:57 PatrickC_Pre2: bingo, thanks! Apr 12 01:21:03 np Apr 12 01:21:24 just check the wiki, it was in Step 0 :) Apr 12 01:45:20 is there a way to initiate a copy with mojo other than the edit menu? Apr 12 01:45:29 yes Apr 12 01:45:33 see webos101.com Apr 12 01:45:33 meta-c? :p Apr 12 01:45:41 oh, do you mean as a user or developer? Apr 12 01:45:47 dev Apr 12 01:46:00 yeah, see webos101 Apr 12 01:46:01 snippets Apr 12 01:47:19 hm, thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 12 02:59:57 2011