**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 02:59:58 2011
Apr 14 03:01:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: got anything new for me to beta?
Apr 14 03:02:16 <NuttyBunny> in fact it boots quite fast to have about 100 apps... and no, no news yet, I haven't had time to check that :(
Apr 14 03:02:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> 100 is nothing, I had almost 300 on my pixi :D
Apr 14 03:04:11 <NuttyBunny> I bet it needed 7 minutes to boot :D
Apr 14 03:04:36 <Tibfib> gooodnight everyone
Apr 14 03:05:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> just about :p
Apr 14 03:05:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> night tibfib
Apr 14 03:08:42 * halfhalo goes to amazon for car sub buying party
Apr 14 03:31:04 <maik> is there a way to do a screenshot natively on the emulator or should i just screenshot it and crop it?
Apr 14 03:32:23 <maik> oh narf
Apr 14 03:32:26 * maik pats virtual box
Apr 14 03:32:47 <maik> er no, snapshot would be VM state
Apr 14 03:33:15 <summatusmentis> there's a key-combo that takes a screenshot on the device
Apr 14 03:33:28 <summatusmentis> presumably the emulator will do the same thing if you use the right keys
Apr 14 03:34:40 <summatusmentis> orange+sym+p apparently takes a screenshot
Apr 14 03:34:56 <maik> right, i can't seem to trigger it
Apr 14 03:36:08 <summatusmentis> huh, weird
Apr 14 03:36:20 <maik> not a big deal
Apr 14 03:36:20 <summatusmentis> I don't actually know, just making stuff up
Apr 14 03:36:54 <summatusmentis> can I ask what OS you're on? I know OS X has the ability to screenshot sections of the screen, or individual windows
Apr 14 03:37:01 <summatusmentis> linux probably does too
Apr 14 03:37:06 <maik> ya, using OS X, i know that trick
Apr 14 03:37:09 <summatusmentis> ok
Apr 14 03:52:08 <torchie> ASDFAJKL;
Apr 14 04:10:20 <PatrickC_Pre> palm pays after 6 months *or* $100, correct?
Apr 14 04:13:17 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: I seem to recall the 100
Apr 14 04:13:29 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Apr 14 04:13:33 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: but you can find it in the contract you signed, I think :)
Apr 14 04:13:39 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: you made teh moneyz?
Apr 14 04:13:46 <PatrickC_Pre> not yet :/
Apr 14 04:14:07 <PatrickC_Pre> I'll just wait for the money to roll in... lol
Apr 14 04:14:22 <PatrickC_Pre> you makin the moneyz?
Apr 14 04:14:40 <madnificent> I'm making teh poorz
Apr 14 04:15:02 <PatrickC_Pre> same here, you are probably makin more then me though...
Apr 14 04:15:15 <madnificent> 11 downloads, I doubt it
Apr 14 04:16:18 <PatrickC_Pre> well, its more then I had with only being a few weeks out
Apr 14 04:16:48 <PatrickC_Pre> I've got an app that I've had out since Nov1 (or something like that) and have 15 downloads...
Apr 14 04:17:08 <NergalJAF> mafnificent what's your app? same quest for patrick?
Apr 14 04:19:05 <madnificent> NergalJAF: the best tasks application in the world! tasks@hand
Apr 14 04:19:33 <SineOt> what app has 15 downloads, PatrickC_Pre?
Apr 14 04:19:42 <PatrickC_Pre> Just a Flashlight Plus/Fog Horn
Apr 14 04:19:48 <PatrickC_Pre> Just a flashlight plus sineot
Apr 14 04:19:50 <SineOt> how much? :p
Apr 14 04:19:58 <madnificent> (lawyer note: "The term best is only relative to god himself")
Apr 14 04:20:21 <PatrickC_Pre> $0.99 for both
Apr 14 04:22:02 <PatrickC_Pre> I have like 35 dl for Fog Horn (I guess people like fog horns more then strobe/lights lol)
Apr 14 04:22:09 <SineOt> that's probably why you have 15 downloads
Apr 14 04:22:53 <PatrickC_Pre> but, hay, its like $10
Apr 14 04:24:05 <NergalJAF> madnificent looks pretty good I may check it out at payday
Apr 14 04:24:40 <PatrickC_Pre> its nice :)
Apr 14 04:25:25 <PatrickC_Pre> mine are nice to
Apr 14 04:25:34 <PatrickC_Pre> :)
Apr 14 04:25:42 <madnificent> NergalJAF: don't forget to send feature requests if you have any... they're welcome :)  (and there are updates in the pipeline)
Apr 14 04:25:56 <madnificent> NergalJAF: what did you build, if I may ask?
Apr 14 04:26:12 <madnificent> NergalJAF: (and I will not be able to buy it, Palm doesn't allow me to buy apps in my region just yet)
Apr 14 04:27:00 <NergalJAF> i've got a few enyos in the early stages of writing.
Apr 14 04:27:13 * madnificent should start checking out enyo, I guess
Apr 14 04:27:30 <PatrickC_Pre> (isn't that NDA NergalJAF?)
Apr 14 04:29:37 <NergalJAF> how do you do /me on wirc :(
Apr 14 04:30:19 <NergalJAF> doh, sorry forgot I can't even say i'm in fight club.
Apr 14 04:30:27 <PatrickC_Pre> just do /me :)
Apr 14 04:30:37 <PatrickC_Pre> what fight club?
Apr 14 04:30:44 <PatrickC_Pre> :)
Apr 14 04:30:48 <NuttyBunny> What's a fight club? :)
Apr 14 04:31:14 <NergalJAF> \me sinks into corner
Apr 14 04:31:14 <halfhalo> well, you see, when a man loves a woman...
Apr 14 04:31:23 <NergalJAF> sigh
Apr 14 04:31:37 <NergalJAF> LOL
Apr 14 04:31:39 <PatrickC_Pre> no space before the /
Apr 14 04:32:02 * NergalJAF tries
Apr 14 04:32:06 <PatrickC_Pre> yay
Apr 14 04:32:08 <NergalJAF> woooooooo
Apr 14 04:33:03 <PatrickC_Pre> switching to pre2, regular pre needs a reboot (kernel update)
Apr 14 05:23:16 <rawle> Now that I switched to android I can appreciate the way webos multitask
Apr 14 05:23:30 <dohtem> true that
Apr 14 05:23:34 <NuttyBunny> +1
Apr 14 05:25:41 <rawle> Webos needs apps.
Apr 14 05:26:00 <summatusmentis> indeed it does
Apr 14 05:26:03 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping soon
Apr 14 05:26:15 <summatusmentis> I also wish I had infinite time to write them
Apr 14 05:55:24 <dohtem> http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/ -- Looks like they borrowed some ideas from Just Type
Apr 14 06:27:35 <torchie> look to your right
Apr 14 06:27:39 <torchie> blackberry
Apr 14 06:27:41 <torchie> playbook[
Apr 14 06:27:43 <torchie> review!?
Apr 14 06:28:13 <torchie> i dunno about this, no electronic device that is holy has a 7 inch display
Apr 14 06:30:08 <hotdp> :)
Apr 14 07:09:47 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 14 07:10:32 <hotdp> Mornings swisstomcat
Apr 14 07:10:39 <swisstomcat> morning hotdp
Apr 14 07:10:40 <dkirker> 'morning hotdp, swisstomcat!
Apr 14 07:10:57 <hotdp> yo dkirker
Apr 14 07:11:04 <swisstomcat> lo dkirker
Apr 14 07:11:16 <hotdp> still busy?
Apr 14 07:11:25 <dkirker> very
Apr 14 07:11:39 <swisstomcat> looking forward to webkit fixes :)
Apr 14 07:11:43 <swisstomcat> e.g gradients
Apr 14 07:12:45 <swisstomcat> dkirker: you could also find out why that is not rendering correctly: http://snook.ca/testing/convertbot/demo/ :)
Apr 14 07:13:13 <dkirker> that site is making me dizzy
Apr 14 07:13:16 <dkirker> I might puke
Apr 14 07:14:02 <hotdp> omg
Apr 14 07:14:03 <hotdp> me2
Apr 14 07:15:00 <swisstomcat> oh, wrong link
Apr 14 07:15:08 <swisstomcat> http://snook.ca/testing/convertbot/
Apr 14 07:16:40 <dkirker> alright, bed time!
Apr 14 07:16:44 <dkirker> I have to be up in 7 hours
Apr 14 07:16:48 <swisstomcat> sleep well
Apr 14 07:17:10 <hotdp> night
Apr 14 07:18:56 <dkirker> thanks!
Apr 14 11:38:57 <sash_> How can I restart luna from novaterm? I cannot access the GUI because it's frozen
Apr 14 11:41:53 <sash_> Got it.
Apr 14 11:42:20 <sash_> initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr
Apr 14 13:02:59 <madnificent> I wonder, did the calendar integration change between 1.x and 2.x?
Apr 14 13:03:27 <madnificent> sash_: I always pop the battery out when that happens (and then I feel guilty)
Apr 14 13:11:10 <sash_> I use reboot now, initctl doesn't really works
Apr 14 13:13:09 <sash_> It dies, when I plug in usb to load it. But I use Uberkernel which is set 10 125MHz, when the screen is shut off
Apr 14 13:13:15 <sash_> Perhaps, this is too slow
Apr 14 13:13:49 <madnificent> that is pretty slow, but I've noticed my pre freezes as well.  It can always scale up though, it's always in on-demand mode.
Apr 14 13:15:38 <sash_> I have 125/1000 screenstate, but I want to find a profile that sucks at least battery
Apr 14 13:16:59 <oc80z> 125/1000 will not sucks at least battery
Apr 14 13:19:28 <sash_> And which profile does?
Apr 14 13:20:56 <sash_> Well, 125/125 will, but that would be veeery slow, i guess.
Apr 14 13:35:12 <sash_> I will try 250/1000 now, because I think, the 125 causes the freezes
Apr 14 13:39:01 * madnificent is quite happy with ondemand, seems to work fairly well. Perhaps I shouldn't allow it to scale down to 125 though
Apr 14 13:42:20 <Hendikins> Even Pre2 doesn't scale below 300.
Apr 14 13:42:28 <Hendikins> (That I've seen anyway)
Apr 14 13:46:03 <sash_> Govnah says, my Pre+ scales down to 125
Apr 14 13:47:46 <RagingMind> having the pre run at 125 doesn't save battery, I've tried
Apr 14 13:48:41 <sash_> RagingMind: What do you use instead?
Apr 14 13:48:53 <RagingMind> it becomes so slow that when it wakes up to do things it takes longer, keeping the hardware up and sucking juice
Apr 14 13:49:01 <sash_> :)
Apr 14 13:49:23 <RagingMind> I never had luck with 250 either, so when I do over clock I generally run 500/800 screen state
Apr 14 13:50:18 <sash_> I use the Uberkernel for 3 days or so now, I will see, if 1000 is noticeable faster than 800
Apr 14 13:51:01 <RagingMind> most of the time I leave my pre with the stock kernel
Apr 14 13:53:38 <RagingMind> cwayne, hello.  I looked for you in #ubuntu to be on topic while asking what your job will be, but didn't see ya.   SO... can we ask what your gonna do?  :)
Apr 14 13:59:39 <cwayne> RagingMind: QA analyst for the OEM team :)
Apr 14 14:02:43 <RagingMind> making sure the technical issues of computers that are sold with ubuntu are ironed out?
Apr 14 14:03:13 <cwayne> RagingMind: yep
Apr 14 14:03:19 <cwayne> testing pre-installed ubuntu on dells, etc
Apr 14 14:04:30 <RagingMind> wanna talk HP into selling stuff with Ubuntu... and then including their PC version of webos-in-a-box?  :)
Apr 14 14:06:41 <cwayne> lol i wish
Apr 14 14:14:47 * Hendikins cringes, Ubunutu.
Apr 14 14:15:03 <Hendikins> er, Ubuntu.
Apr 14 14:15:12 * Hendikins can't spell, been at work too long today.
Apr 14 14:16:16 <funkatron> ubunutu
Apr 14 14:16:26 <funkatron> the extra U is for Unity
Apr 14 14:17:07 <Hendikins> I've lost count of the number of people I've known with Ubuntu problems who fixed it by simply changing to another distribution.
Apr 14 14:18:42 <funkatron> huh
Apr 14 14:18:53 <funkatron> Well I've been relatively happy with it
Apr 14 14:19:08 <cwayne> Hendikins is a linux hipster
Apr 14 14:19:26 <NuttyBunny> mornin!
Apr 14 14:19:33 <cwayne> yo NuttyBunny
Apr 14 14:20:57 * madnificent is happy with his first in-app-catalog review :)
Apr 14 14:21:19 * NuttyBunny knows the feeling :D
Apr 14 14:21:35 <Hendikins> funkatron: The impression I get is that if it works, it works. But if it doesn't, you might as well just change distribution, because no amount of hair pulling is going to make it work.
Apr 14 14:22:05 <NuttyBunny> The best thing is that I think Palm has fixed the 0 star submission issue (but the 0 star reviews remain there :S)
Apr 14 14:22:08 <cwayne> madnificent: wooo congrats
Apr 14 14:22:32 * cwayne hates 0 star "APP WONT DOWNLOAD" reviews with a firey passion
Apr 14 14:23:22 <NuttyBunny> I have a 0 star "Sergio" anonymous review <-- Yes, "Sergio" is the only text in the review
Apr 14 14:24:18 <cwayne> that is amazing
Apr 14 14:24:35 <cwayne> i have an actual 0 star though
Apr 14 14:24:40 <cwayne> "This is the worst app ever"
Apr 14 14:24:42 <cwayne> fuckyea
Apr 14 14:25:59 <funkatron> cwayne: ^5
Apr 14 14:26:20 <madnificent> cwayne: that's not fun
Apr 14 14:27:12 <cwayne> lol it doesnt matter, i think its kinda funny
Apr 14 14:27:19 <cwayne> im sure theres a worse app out there
Apr 14 14:27:22 <cwayne> maybe a fart one
Apr 14 14:28:46 <madnificent> LoL
Apr 14 14:29:23 <madnificent> I don't think you should take the reviews all to personally :P  People generally exaggerate
Apr 14 14:29:44 <cwayne> indeed
Apr 14 14:29:47 <cwayne> i also have a bunch of
Apr 14 14:29:53 <cwayne> "THIS IS THE FUNNIEST APP EVER LOLZ"
Apr 14 14:29:54 <cwayne> no its not
Apr 14 14:29:55 <cwayne> haha
Apr 14 14:30:11 <NuttyBunny> No, but take the Preware Documentation app, it went down 3 spots in the best paid apps category with just one zero star review :S
Apr 14 14:32:50 <funkatron> you can't control it, so don't sweat it
Apr 14 14:33:19 <halfhalo> whodied
Apr 14 14:34:01 <NuttyBunny> but.. but.. but.. whaaaaahh!!! I don't want the 0 star reviews!!! *sniff*
Apr 14 14:34:40 <funkatron> 8D
Apr 14 14:35:05 * halfhalo keeps making his car stereo break
Apr 14 14:35:41 <NuttyBunny> stop plugging your Pre in it
Apr 14 14:35:51 <halfhalo> I'm not, tisthe zune
Apr 14 14:36:03 <oil> well theres your problem
Apr 14 14:36:09 <NuttyBunny> yep :D
Apr 14 14:36:15 <halfhalo> the car keeps making the zune not think its plugged into it
Apr 14 14:36:29 <halfhalo> may have something to do with how loud it is....
Apr 14 14:36:58 <NuttyBunny> blow inside the Zune's connector, I bet is like the old NES cartriges ;)
Apr 14 14:38:30 <halfhalo> its between the dock and car.... hmm
Apr 14 14:39:35 <halfhalo> dock keeps switching from aux to fm... grrrr
Apr 14 14:40:35 <NuttyBunny> blow inside the dock ;)  really, it may be a loose connector
Apr 14 14:41:21 <halfhalo> interesting... it is the dock
Apr 14 14:41:22 <NuttyBunny> sun striking, cold at night, metal expanding, those things are not as reliable as one would like :(
Apr 14 14:41:41 <halfhalo> its not sensing the aux connector at all now
Apr 14 14:42:13 * NuttyBunny goes back to work before halfhalo blames him ;)
Apr 14 14:42:58 <halfhalo> :/
Apr 14 14:43:13 <halfhalo> its still playing out of aux though
Apr 14 14:44:01 <NuttyBunny> stupid technology
Apr 14 14:45:50 <NuttyBunny> Ok, time to send the 500 page technical memory doc for printing :D
Apr 14 14:46:11 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 14 14:48:19 <NuttyBunny> it 9mb, so it shouldn't take long in this friendly "Motorola" wifi network that I found :D
Apr 14 14:49:45 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 14 14:50:02 <halfhalo> my old laser has issues with large pdfs....
Apr 14 14:50:35 <Hendikins> Hrm, I'm almost disappointed. My Pre2 just fell nearly 1.5m from my pocket to a concrete pavement... not even a bloody scratch.
Apr 14 14:52:48 <NuttyBunny> Hendikins: They're somewhat tough, Baby Pre (that's how I call my Pre- GSM) fell once, just a few dents... it still worked for more than a year
Apr 14 14:53:54 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: Ah, those printers.. hehehe... of course, but the problem may lay in the driver, not in the printer itself, it should send fewer data to the printer instead of relying on it to do all the work :S
Apr 14 14:54:47 <NuttyBunny> My gf has three PDF files that won't open in Adobe Acrobat Reader, v9 or v10, but they opened perfectly in evice under Linux... I had to print them from my machine
Apr 14 14:54:48 <halfhalo> yeah.... but I'm lazy, so default it is!
Apr 14 14:55:19 <NuttyBunny> Stupid Outlook webaccess, I don't know how much of the file has been transferred...
Apr 14 14:55:29 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 14 14:55:59 <NuttyBunny> LOL !!!  Just as if it heard me!! I return to the window and it had finished.  BBL people!
Apr 14 14:55:59 <Hendikins> NuttyBunny: I was chatting to a mate of mine when it happened, he reckons the build quality clearly exceeds that of his Android phone (Incidentally, he's a Google employee...)
Apr 14 15:12:35 <sugardave> good morning
Apr 14 15:13:38 <madnificent> 'llo sugardave
Apr 14 15:15:55 <sugardave> is it summer yet?  hot enough here that I should be able to buy a TouchPad now
Apr 14 15:16:36 <halfhalo> they don't love you?
Apr 14 15:23:04 <sugardave> everybody loves me :)
Apr 14 15:23:16 <sugardave> what's not to love?
Apr 14 15:24:45 <gkatsev> sugardave: you're too sweet
Apr 14 17:19:15 <cwayne> hey guys
Apr 14 17:57:31 <hotdp> evning
Apr 14 17:58:55 <cwayne> heya hotdp
Apr 14 18:06:49 <destinal> Hendikins: yeah pre2 build quality > original pre  and even on the original pre I have to admit to dropping mine a few times with no issues except for minor scratches
Apr 14 18:13:48 <haeffb_pre> so has everyone ordered a $40 pixi plus from verizon?
Apr 14 18:14:22 <hotdp> no :(
Apr 14 18:15:10 <hotdp> is it without contract
Apr 14 18:17:54 <MetaView> is it possible to exchange radio module between Pre- and Pre2?
Apr 14 18:18:18 <hotdp> yer
Apr 14 18:18:24 <hotdp> i have done it
Apr 14 18:18:30 <MetaView> cool
Apr 14 18:18:33 <MetaView> thx
Apr 14 18:18:38 <hotdp> comm board
Apr 14 18:18:45 <MetaView> comm board, right
Apr 14 18:18:59 <MetaView> I will ask you for instructions when I'm ready for the switch :)
Apr 14 18:19:02 <cwayne> frankenpre2!
Apr 14 18:19:21 <hotdp> yer just ask :)
Apr 14 18:19:27 <hotdp> i have done it 3 times
Apr 14 18:20:07 <haeffb_pre> hotdp: yes
Apr 14 18:20:48 <haeffb_pre> at dailysteals
Apr 14 18:21:01 <haeffb_pre> not direct from Verizon
Apr 14 18:21:21 <destinal> hotdp: with the likelihood that pixi will not get 2.x, I dunno.  it's probably still a good deal though
Apr 14 18:21:41 <destinal> $40 no contract is pretty nice for a smartphone with these features
Apr 14 18:22:05 * haeffb_pre already has one, or I'd do it
Apr 14 18:23:55 <keith> destinal: thru pageplus?
Apr 14 19:24:22 <leiru> madnificent: ?
Apr 14 19:24:57 <leiru> did i talk with you about ubuntu, cpu usage and the new eclipse plugin?
Apr 14 20:18:32 <summatusmentis> Rotten Tomatos has an API!
Apr 14 20:19:11 * sugardave throws some tomatoes at you over the Internet.
Apr 14 21:15:23 <cxreg> anyone know how to toss a card in the [redacted]?
Apr 14 22:35:34 <krushia> i just got booted out of my palm profile and it won't let me back in, i assume because i have no cell service. is there any way to get it to log back in via wifi?
Apr 14 22:39:14 <krushia> ugh, this is annoying. it's like the first use spinner spinning endlessly
Apr 14 22:39:31 <krushia> guessing it did a device wipe too :(
Apr 14 22:39:58 <NuttyBunny> mmm.... maybe :S
Apr 14 22:40:39 <NuttyBunny> It happened to me once, but I was toying around with database files in my Pre... I assume you did nothing and it just booted you out?
Apr 14 22:45:09 <cwayne> anyone else having issues reviewing apps?
Apr 14 22:45:48 <NuttyBunny> reviewing? how?
Apr 14 22:46:18 <krushia> i tried to install evernote from the beta feed, download failed, there was an option to "try again" or "don't download", i picked "don't download". i closed that card, went to wirc for a bit, then tasks app, then random message came up like "you are no longer signed in to your palm profile, you must restart"
Apr 14 22:46:51 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: Speaking of toying around with db files, where are they located in webOS?
Apr 14 22:47:16 <Popple3> I assume they're sqlite?
Apr 14 22:47:19 * Popple3 crosses fingers
Apr 14 22:48:05 <NuttyBunny> /var/luna/data/dbfiles I think, sqlite3 in webOS 1.4.x
Apr 14 22:48:24 <krushia> tried to back gesture out of the scary dialog, which it apparently understood as "sure, restart now and ruin my life"
Apr 14 22:49:06 <NuttyBunny> krushia: you can't do anything when that stupid screen comes up, even if you turn off your device it'll wipe itself upon reload :(
Apr 14 22:49:16 <krushia> bummer
Apr 14 22:49:40 <krushia> well, i guess i need to go for a drive to get service
Apr 14 22:49:49 <krushia> then download everything
Apr 14 22:50:03 <krushia> then cry about things that don't get restored
Apr 14 22:50:19 <krushia> thanks anyway guys :)
Apr 14 22:50:29 <NuttyBunny> sure.. good luck :)
Apr 14 22:51:06 <cwayne> rotten tomatoes has an api?
Apr 14 22:51:08 <cwayne> DIBS
Apr 14 22:51:38 <NuttyBunny> no idea
Apr 14 22:52:21 <cwayne> just announced it :)
Apr 14 22:52:37 <NuttyBunny> aah, cool
Apr 14 22:52:42 <NuttyBunny> quick! write an app! ;)
Apr 14 22:53:25 <bmidgley> what is this secret webosdev is tweeting about? something in a private forum?
Apr 14 22:58:29 <madnificent> leiru: perhaps, but then it should've been very little
Apr 14 22:58:35 <madnificent> leiru: what was it about exactly?
Apr 14 22:59:42 <Popple3> note to self: Don't use a database driven app while in development when the database may need to wiped at some point
Apr 14 23:03:13 <Popple3> Anyone know if Mojo.Depot dbs have the same 1MB limit as Web SQL dbs?
Apr 14 23:06:35 <dohtem> iirc, yes
Apr 14 23:09:31 <Popple3> that'd probably explain my problems so
Apr 14 23:10:53 <dohtem> you might want to look at db8
Apr 14 23:11:00 <madnificent> Popple3: I use migrations for that :)
Apr 14 23:13:00 <Popple3> dohtem: I was hoping to keep 1.4.5 support :/
Apr 14 23:13:11 <Popple3> madnificent: What's migrations?
Apr 14 23:14:59 <madnificent> Popple3: I've built something similar to rails's migrations, but with simple sql strings
Apr 14 23:15:07 <madnificent> Popple3: do you have a beta of tasks@hand?
Apr 14 23:15:34 <Popple3> madnificent: Nope, and I'm still at a loss as to what migrations is.
Apr 14 23:15:36 * Popple3 googles
Apr 14 23:15:43 <madnificent> Popple3: well in short:
Apr 14 23:16:02 <madnificent> you create a set of 'changes' to your database.  You can then upgrade your database, thus applying all changes
Apr 14 23:16:24 <madnificent> Popple3: my migrations.js and my_migrations.js files are included in it, I can send you a beta
Apr 14 23:16:47 <Popple3> well, my database seems to be too big from the start
Apr 14 23:17:50 <Popple3> I could just split my databases every x entries
Apr 14 23:18:11 <Popple3> it wouldn't be too much of a hassle on the coding side of things
Apr 14 23:22:56 <madnificent> too big from the start?
Apr 14 23:23:21 <Popple3> madnificent: My app populates a database on first run
Apr 14 23:24:09 <madnificent> Popple3: I don't understand what the rpoblem is
Apr 14 23:26:55 <Popple3> madnificent: My Mojo.Depot database doesn't fill up with all the data, and I think it's due to db size limits. However, it doesn't seem to be throwing errors, which is confusing me...
Apr 14 23:37:08 <madnificent> Popple3: you need to set the right path to allow for a big store (I think) did you do that?
Apr 14 23:38:37 <Popple3> madnificent: That's just calling it ext:dbname, right?
Apr 14 23:38:49 <madnificent> I _think_ so, yes
Apr 14 23:38:53 <madnificent> let me check somewhere
Apr 14 23:40:26 <Popple3> madnificent: Well, that places the dbs in /media/internal, but it didn't solve my problem
Apr 14 23:40:32 <madnificent> Popple3: do you get a status-code from the onFailure method you can pass?
Apr 14 23:40:44 <Popple3> so I'm thinking perhaps it isn't a size issue
Apr 14 23:41:01 <Popple3> madnificent: The onFailure method doesn't fire
Apr 14 23:41:16 <Popple3> even though I can clearly see in the database that entries haven't gone in
Apr 14 23:42:06 <madnificent> Popple3: can you split your dataset in pieces and insert them separately?
Apr 14 23:42:15 <madnificent> colud be a buffer overflow somewhere, perhaps
Apr 14 23:42:36 <Popple3> ok, now I'm really confused... If I get the item from Depot straight away after inserting it, all the data is there, and I can log it out to my terminal
Apr 14 23:43:23 <madnificent> and when isn't it there?
Apr 14 23:43:34 <madnificent> also, the depot isn't good for large amounts of data, it seems
Apr 14 23:43:53 <Popple3> I just tried ext: again, and it's worked this time
Apr 14 23:43:59 <madnificent> odd
Apr 14 23:44:31 <Popple3> madnificent: I chose to use depot because I'm storing multiple level json objects, it seemed like the most logical thing to do to me
Apr 14 23:44:35 <Popple3> well, the easiest thing :P
Apr 14 23:46:08 <Popple3> gonna wipe and repopulate the database a few times, see if it's consistently working now
Apr 14 23:48:47 <madnificent> Popple3: it's your choice, I was just saying it
Apr 14 23:49:06 <Popple3> madnificent: I see why I didn't notice results the first time now. Seems it was exiting out of the first run scene before the depot was populated, after waiting a while after, the full dataset is showing
Apr 14 23:49:29 <madnificent> haha, funny
Apr 14 23:49:42 <madnificent> Popple3: isn't that what the onSuccess callback is for?
Apr 14 23:49:51 <Popple3> madnificent: sssshhhhh :P
Apr 14 23:49:52 <Popple3> lol
Apr 14 23:50:28 <Popple3> right, that's grand, handy enough to sort out so :)
Apr 14 23:50:50 <madnificent> either case: congrats!  You figured it out :D
Apr 14 23:50:55 <Popple3> :D
Apr 14 23:51:04 <Popple3> Thanks for your help
Apr 14 23:53:54 <Popple3> If only it wasn't now going a million times slower
Apr 14 23:53:55 <Popple3> lol
Apr 14 23:57:34 <Popple3> I suppose 1974 entries across 17 depots isn't exactly gonna be fast :/
Apr 14 23:57:51 <Popple3> might try dumping them all in the one depot
Apr 14 23:57:58 <Popple3> see if it helps at all
Apr 15 00:03:08 <bartholemew> tried to pull up the app catalog on a 1.4.5 Sprint Pre - tonight and got kicked all the way out of my palm profile (WTF?!?)  ... it was just after installing & running the preview of angry birds rio ...
Apr 15 00:03:22 <bartholemew> that release has some really bad audio problems
Apr 15 00:03:34 <bartholemew> (rio = audio problems)
Apr 15 00:04:42 <Popple3> right, screw that, I'm gonna move all this over to WebSQL. addslashes(JSON.stringify(myobj)) should be fine for storage
Apr 15 00:04:54 * Popple3 has an addslashes function in his code
Apr 15 00:05:57 <funkatron> Popple3: that's what I did
Apr 15 00:06:16 <funkatron> Popple3: look at Lawnchair. It's basically what you are doing now.
Apr 15 00:06:37 <SineOt> yay customizing vinyl toys :Q
Apr 15 00:06:47 <funkatron> http://westcoastlogic.com/lawnchair/
Apr 15 00:10:15 <SineOt> Lawnchair sounds pretty awesome
Apr 15 00:16:37 <Popple3> SineOt: Isn't it essentially what Mojo.Depot does? O.o
Apr 15 00:17:32 <oil> lol
Apr 15 00:17:46 * oil pushes Mojo.Depot into a fire
Apr 15 00:18:25 <SineOt> probably
Apr 15 00:18:33 <Popple3> oil: Ok, let me rephrase that: "Isn't it essentially doing what Mojo.Depot is suppose to do?" :P
Apr 15 00:18:40 <SineOt> is it easier to understand at first glance than Mojo.Debot? totally XD
Apr 15 00:18:43 <oil> depot is a wrapper for sqlitedb
Apr 15 00:26:10 <Popple3> "error: null" <- Useful error is useful
Apr 15 00:28:21 <oil> heh
Apr 15 00:28:47 <oil> i remember getting a message box in some program once that was all "Error: No Error Occurred"
Apr 15 00:28:56 <oil> and it always cracks me up
Apr 15 00:29:54 <SineOt> welp, I just decapitated a pony :C
Apr 15 00:30:05 <oil> haha
Apr 15 00:35:56 <halfhalo> wooot
Apr 15 00:36:09 <halfhalo> build a colloquy with growl support
Apr 15 00:36:24 <Popple3> halfhalo: WANT
Apr 15 00:36:28 <Popple3> but I'm too lazy
Apr 15 00:36:33 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 15 00:36:42 <halfhalo> I did not know its open source until today
Apr 15 00:38:08 <SineOt> yeah, so is Textual
Apr 15 00:38:14 <SineOt> also: poor pony :< http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PRE_2011-04-14-173229.jpg
Apr 15 00:41:34 <Popple3> is there anything other than quotes and backslashes in a JSON object that could screw over sql?
Apr 15 00:42:58 <Popple3> damn syntax error messages aren't very helpful...
Apr 15 00:46:22 <Popple3> oh balls, I think I know what's causing it....
Apr 15 00:46:32 <halfhalo> hippies, right?
Apr 15 00:46:36 <Popple3> one of the properties is "set"
Apr 15 00:46:50 <Popple3> and methinks sqlite is picking that up wrong
Apr 15 00:47:20 <Popple3> no, nevermind, still screwing me over
Apr 15 00:53:10 <dohtem> hey, the forums doesn't timeout after 2 mins anymore
Apr 15 01:01:45 <Popple3> well that settles that, never using Mojo.Depot again
Apr 15 01:02:27 <Popple3> everything working perfectly using JSON.stringify into a web sql db
Apr 15 01:02:34 <Popple3> and so so so much faster
Apr 15 01:04:13 <Popple3> from 30 secs first run to 10 secs :D
Apr 15 01:10:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 walks by
Apr 15 01:10:14 * oil reiterates pushing depot into a fire
Apr 15 01:10:58 <Popple3> oil: Yeah, I think pushing it into a fire isn't enough for it :P
Apr 15 01:11:06 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: yo
Apr 15 01:11:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay popple3
Apr 15 01:13:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> how'd the driving lessons go?
Apr 15 01:13:47 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: Great, much better than last week. Feeling much more confident now
Apr 15 01:14:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> great! :)
Apr 15 01:14:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to take mine soon
Apr 15 01:14:57 <Tibfib> db8 is the depot replacement
Apr 15 01:20:00 * cwayne needs to buy a car
Apr 15 01:26:00 <Tibfib> me too
Apr 15 01:26:06 <Popple3> me too
Apr 15 01:26:15 <Tibfib> although I'm having issues with the whole "money" thing
Apr 15 01:26:29 <torchie> money!?!?!?/1/!/1
Apr 15 01:26:29 <Popple3> Tibfib: ditto
Apr 15 01:26:40 <Popple3> argh, stupid html entities showing up in my list :/
Apr 15 01:26:49 <Tibfib> webOS app sales aren't amaaaaazing
Apr 15 01:26:56 <Tibfib> Popple3: using a template?
Apr 15 01:26:59 <Tibfib> add a -
Apr 15 01:27:04 <Tibfib> #{-blah}
Apr 15 01:27:12 <Popple3> ah, awesome, thanks :D
Apr 15 01:27:23 <Tibfib> or there's an option in framework-config.json
Apr 15 01:29:57 <Popple3> Tibfib: Sorted, thanks
Apr 15 01:30:03 <Tibfib> sweet
Apr 15 01:30:16 <Popple3> now all I gotta implement is search and I'm done!
Apr 15 01:30:23 <Popple3> (after some testing of course)
Apr 15 01:31:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> need some beta-testers :)
Apr 15 01:31:39 * Popple3 is getting all excited about having his first published app :P
Apr 15 01:31:45 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: Directed at me? :P
Apr 15 01:31:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> :D
Apr 15 01:31:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 15 01:32:29 <Popple3> Sure, why not, can't hurt
Apr 15 01:32:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 15 01:32:53 * Popple3 drafts up completely pointless NDA
Apr 15 01:32:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> see PM
Apr 15 01:32:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 15 01:35:11 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: ill test
Apr 15 01:35:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> test what?
Apr 15 01:37:20 <Popple3> cwayne: that beta testers thing was directed at me :P
Apr 15 01:37:35 <cwayne> WELL FINE I DONT WANNA ANYWAY
Apr 15 01:37:39 <cwayne> lol
Apr 15 01:37:46 <Popple3> O_O
Apr 15 01:37:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> heh
Apr 15 01:37:58 <funkatron> hey cwayne
Apr 15 01:37:58 <Popple3> cwayne: FINE THEN! BE THAT WAY!
Apr 15 01:38:08 <funkatron> make my ubuntu upgrade to 11.04 beta work
Apr 15 01:38:35 <cwayne> funkatron: lolol
Apr 15 01:39:41 <Popple3> is it 11.04 that's gonna be the last YY.MM version of Ubuntu, or is the whole iterative lifecycle a while away yet?
Apr 15 01:40:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 15 01:40:34 <cwayne> Popple3: afaik theres no plans to get rid of yy.mm
Apr 15 01:41:16 <Popple3> cwayne: well, they were talking of stopping the whole 6 month release cycle, and making it smaller more frequent updates
Apr 15 01:41:37 <cwayne> Popple3: according to whom?
Apr 15 01:41:52 <Popple3> Canonical methinks
Apr 15 01:46:36 * Popple3 hears a phone vibrating, but doesn't know where it's coming from
Apr 15 01:51:36 <torchie> did I hear of a natty tester among us?
Apr 15 01:51:53 <torchie> I'm on natty beta 2 on an hp dv6000
Apr 15 01:51:58 <torchie> mac broke :(
Apr 15 01:52:02 <torchie> feels bad man
Apr 15 01:52:13 <Popple3> right, I'm off to bed before my head falls on my keyboard
Apr 15 01:52:17 <Popple3> night guys
Apr 15 01:53:42 <cwayne> torchie: im a natty tester :)
Apr 15 01:53:49 <torchie> :D
Apr 15 01:53:58 <torchie> how's unity been behaving for you?
Apr 15 01:55:09 <torchie> test
Apr 15 01:59:26 <cwayne> torchie: not awful.. a WHOLE lot better than it was in maverick
Apr 15 02:08:14 <NuttyBunny> compiz on the other hand has failed me twice today :S
Apr 15 02:08:29 <torchie> yeah I've been having X freezes with my graphics card
Apr 15 02:09:03 <torchie> I'm hoping that gets fixed but it doesn't seem likely
Apr 15 02:09:17 <torchie> so I'm just learning to love Classic despite how baller Unity is
Apr 15 02:10:04 <cwayne> torchie: what gfx card you got?
Apr 15 02:10:15 * PatrickC_Pre2 walks by
Apr 15 02:10:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> popple3: you still here?
Apr 15 02:12:26 * PatrickC_Pre2 really needs to fill that forum out and send it back to Rich
Apr 15 02:16:35 <torchie> cwayne: nvidia 7150m
Apr 15 02:16:57 <torchie> windows and screensaver turn complete white on proprietary drivers, random freezes of all except cursor in noveau
Apr 15 02:17:19 <torchie> flawless one day uptime in classic
Apr 15 02:18:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay torchie
Apr 15 02:19:47 <torchie> ey you
Apr 15 02:19:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin?
Apr 15 02:20:05 <torchie> it's been alright
Apr 15 02:20:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's good
Apr 15 02:20:18 <torchie> rushing multitudes of end of semester papers and fighting libreoffice along the way
Apr 15 02:20:21 <torchie> you?
Apr 15 02:20:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> sounds fun :p
Apr 15 02:20:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> its been good
Apr 15 02:20:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> (about as good as 9th grade can be) lol
Apr 15 02:21:02 <torchie> lol
Apr 15 02:21:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> trying to figure out if I can run an att pre+ on a pay-as-u-go sim
Apr 15 02:21:42 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: why not?
Apr 15 02:22:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> I mean, does it require a meta-doctor (my guess is yes)
Apr 15 02:22:42 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: I wouldn't expect it to
Apr 15 02:23:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not talking about an att pay-as-u-go, but something like straight talk
Apr 15 02:23:32 <destinal> oh, well then you'd need to unlock it.
Apr 15 02:23:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> is that hard?
Apr 15 02:23:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't done a whole lot of research yet
Apr 15 02:24:15 <destinal> there are some services you can pay for that are apparently easy
Apr 15 02:24:34 <destinal> I don't think I've ever seen anything public on a DIY method
Apr 15 02:24:40 <SineOt> PatrickC_Pre2, do the research :p
Apr 15 02:25:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh ok, thx destinal
Apr 15 02:25:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I will sineot :p
Apr 15 02:30:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> I found this -> http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/256821-gsm-unlocking-tips-information-about-gsm-umts-frequencies.html#post2578597
Apr 15 02:35:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 is watching Tron!!
Apr 15 02:51:18 <halfhalo> muuuurder
Apr 15 02:56:02 <captcadaver> hi
Apr 15 02:56:05 <captcadaver> i'm a beginner!
Apr 15 02:56:11 <captcadaver> i'm having trouble placing a button in my app
Apr 15 02:56:22 <captcadaver> i've managed to place an intPicker though >_>
Apr 15 02:56:34 <captcadaver> suggestions on what i can check to debug this?
Apr 15 02:59:03 <Tibfib> hmm what local is "zh_cn"?
Apr 15 02:59:04 <Tibfib> chinese?
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