**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 15 02:59:57 2011 Apr 15 03:00:33 yup Apr 15 03:01:04 hmm, so I'm guessing koto player is up on some chinese ware site Apr 15 03:01:11 ~270 downloads Apr 15 03:02:21 and metrix logging is completely optional Apr 15 03:02:27 so probably more than that Apr 15 03:02:34 :/. Apr 15 03:02:41 goodnight all Apr 15 03:02:47 night Tibfib Apr 15 03:03:26 what's a good debugging process to use in webOS? Apr 15 03:03:40 i have no idea how to get any useful information about the status of my button Apr 15 03:03:58 logging statements Apr 15 03:04:00 captcadaver: ssh into the emulator and tail -f /var/log/messages Apr 15 03:04:05 do you have Preware installed? Apr 15 03:04:10 preware? Apr 15 03:04:59 what exactly should i output to figure out why a button isn't working? Apr 15 03:05:03 as in, it's not being shown Apr 15 03:08:22 captcadaver:are you ssh'ed into the emulator? Apr 15 03:09:28 i have the emulator running but Apr 15 03:09:32 trying to google for how to ssh into it Apr 15 03:19:05 you in windows? Apr 15 03:22:16 yes Apr 15 03:23:18 you know how to use putty? Apr 15 03:23:49 somewhat Apr 15 03:23:49 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744#Emulator-StartingtheEmulator i used the "set up the console output on windows" -- gave me a whole bunch of stuff Apr 15 03:24:08 i should out that >< Apr 15 05:03:23 * PatrickC_Pre just finished Tron Legacy Apr 15 05:05:56 Nice, wasn't it? :) Apr 15 05:06:09 I saw it in crappy 3D Apr 15 05:06:10 it was good CGI Apr 15 05:06:13 lol Apr 15 05:06:46 I'm gonna do my writeup for WOR, if I don't respond for a few Apr 15 05:07:40 btw, you'd need to "unlock" your AT&T Pre+ to use it with another carrier... was it the question? :) Apr 15 05:07:56 yes :) Apr 15 05:08:13 and I found a place on PC that had the info for how to do so Apr 15 05:08:19 I unlocked Baby Pre with nextgenserver and the Plus with GuyFromNam's service, I don't recall the name Apr 15 05:08:46 I was looking at GuyFromNam's service Apr 15 05:10:26 It's friendlier than nextgen's one Apr 15 05:11:16 isn't it fairly cheap? (I'm looking at it for a friend) Apr 15 05:12:04 dunno, he offered it for free once, I think they were testing, it worked for me :) Apr 15 05:13:37 * PatrickC_Pre wishes he would do that again :) Apr 15 05:14:30 the suspense is killing me!! argh!!!! Apr 15 05:14:49 for what? Apr 15 05:15:13 mr.xtop, running "make memboot backup".. hehehe Apr 15 05:16:56 lol Apr 15 05:17:47 I don't even have a Pixi (of course I'd happily accept one for testing) ;) Apr 15 05:18:25 I don't have one *anymore* Apr 15 05:19:12 * PatrickC_Pre doesn't know how to answer these questions exactly... Apr 15 05:21:30 NuttyBunny: I have a couple of Pixi Plusses that aren't doing much. We can test on one of them. Apr 15 05:23:06 rwhitby-away: Sure, we're just waiting for this guy to finish the backup and send it to me :) I'll let you know Apr 15 05:23:46 oh man, so the backup is getting made? Apr 15 05:26:16 SineOt: Seems so Apr 15 05:26:24 cool :o Apr 15 05:27:03 yup, it's the last milestone we'll ever reach with the first gen devices :D Apr 15 05:27:32 but hey, 2 years and the OS went from basic to great! :D Apr 15 05:27:45 and the hardware still manages to run it :) Apr 15 05:29:20 I'm sure there's some more milestones left, NuttyBunny :P Apr 15 05:29:28 Namely 2.2 on the Pre Apr 15 05:31:33 Well, hope so, and maybe even some sort of hacked 3.0 on the Pluses (I don't think the minuses will run the newer versions properly) Apr 15 05:32:34 I think by the time 3.0 lands on phone devices it should hopefully be to the point that no one really cares about it on devices like the minus Apr 15 05:34:19 hehehe... "If 2.1 shows up for the #Pixi, I will commit to releasing a warthog kernel for it." Apr 15 05:35:10 You'll always get holdouts who will care and moan. Apr 15 05:35:51 Yeah, but if your device is already past 2 years old, it's kind of moot Apr 15 05:36:47 That's the beauty of Linux, it has the capacity of running on older devices, it always had. Apr 15 05:36:54 The problem is you're being rational. Apr 15 05:38:09 Even if you're being irrational, you kind of can go "look, your 2 year contract is up on it, you aren't tied to it any more" Apr 15 05:38:56 Me? I'm grumpy because my Pixi still has another like 7 months to go before it's two years old :I Apr 15 05:39:28 ... And 4 months before I can upgrade to anything else Apr 15 05:40:16 Hooray for one year contracts! :D Apr 15 05:40:44 Verizon is apparently killing off their one year contract option Apr 15 05:41:12 Yeah, I read that. It really sucks Apr 15 05:41:33 I don't really think many people even used it or knew it existed Apr 15 05:53:57 morning Apr 15 05:54:06 Hey Apr 15 05:54:09 God some bad news! Apr 15 05:54:18 got* Apr 15 05:55:20 oh? Apr 15 05:55:32 Yer :( Apr 15 05:58:47 huh? Apr 15 06:04:40 SineOt: anyone who activated their own phone used it Apr 15 06:05:00 now if you want to its basically sign up 2year, get best resell phone, sell it, activate own phone Apr 15 06:05:04 and hope you dont wanna switch. Apr 15 06:05:09 used a one year contract? :p Apr 15 06:05:14 yea Apr 15 06:05:23 huh Apr 15 06:05:41 if you want sprint service, you can sign up for a 1yr contract if you bring your own phone. Apr 15 06:05:48 if you want tmobile and got a gsm device, no contract Apr 15 06:05:50 att is also 1yr Apr 15 06:05:53 vzw is 2. Apr 15 06:06:02 so theres no advantage to *not* getting a phone, basically Apr 15 06:06:10 i used to pay sprint $10/mo to not be ina contract. Apr 15 06:42:37 Hmm... All my clock-alarms were deleted. Apr 15 06:46:45 been there Apr 15 06:46:48 done that Apr 15 06:54:47 Ah, ok... But next time you do that, please prepare a coffee. Thanks Apr 15 06:56:32 but its not very nice.. Apr 15 06:58:59 Preparing coffee? Apr 15 06:59:56 thats nice Apr 15 07:00:04 allready done it 2 times within 1 hour Apr 15 07:00:10 the "no alarm clocks" Apr 15 07:08:07 Yes... Apr 15 07:20:29 'morning rwhitby Apr 15 07:22:26 g'day Apr 15 07:28:07 mornin' both of ya'll Apr 15 07:30:02 hi keith Apr 15 07:30:12 damn, I wish I could clone myself Apr 15 07:30:21 I need to go to bed right now for work in the morning Apr 15 07:30:28 night dkirker Apr 15 07:30:30 but I want to work on Universe's download manager Apr 15 07:30:42 I'm on a roll! yo! Apr 15 07:33:22 this is going to be soooo awesome! (I can already download files, you just can't *see* them download... :/ ) Apr 15 07:39:34 * Hendikins is unfortunately sans a second Pre2, the parents couldn't find one in Honolulu Apr 15 12:58:03 goods day everyone :D Apr 15 12:59:55 hi, co-belajar Apr 15 16:17:49 can i start a httpserver in a service and just access that without using the framework's service mechanism? Apr 15 16:20:00 evilhackerdude: yes, at least I'm positive you can with node. May have to do some funky stuff with ports and whatnot though Apr 15 16:22:14 there shouldn't be any other http server on port 80 on the device, or? Apr 15 16:22:32 i can use naother port Apr 15 16:26:02 the tricky part will be whether that port is going to be accessible over cellular Apr 15 16:27:02 i only need it for the application in the same package Apr 15 16:27:40 then no sweat Apr 15 16:33:34 listen just over localhost Apr 15 16:45:22 do i somewhere have to note that the service should be autostarted without receiving a command from the bus? Apr 15 16:48:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves hi Apr 15 16:58:35 i mean, can the server be started without using any webos libraries at all? Apr 15 16:58:53 what's up evilhackerdude Apr 15 16:59:49 my service isn't. Apr 15 17:00:08 what app? Apr 15 17:01:32 i'm trying to run an http server as a service without using any webos libraries. Apr 15 17:01:49 I'm of no help there, sorry Apr 15 17:07:02 you're probably going to have to make a public service, then an app that calls it to start it up, then you can access the port it's listening on...I don't think you can just make an arbitrary "always on" service Apr 15 17:10:14 is there an easy way to put an icon on the left part of a standard button Apr 15 17:10:15 ? Apr 15 17:13:58 MetaView: never tried it, doesn't look easy Apr 15 17:14:29 is the Pre3 4G? I think I saw somewhere something like that Apr 15 17:14:55 there is that services page in the Software Manager app, what's that for? Apr 15 17:15:14 PatrickC_Pre2, it's not LTE that's for sure Apr 15 17:15:36 well, I hope its WiMax (or however its spelled) Apr 15 17:15:48 and wimax and lte are the only ones I'd call 4g, whatever the marketing departments of various providers try to tell me Apr 15 17:15:54 it's not wimax Apr 15 17:16:17 if there's a "4g" it would be the same phony "4g" that tmobile uses Apr 15 17:16:34 well, the Veer is HSPA+ isn't it? (is HSPA+ considered 4g?) Apr 15 17:16:41 no Apr 15 17:16:53 except to marketing depts of mobile carriers Apr 15 17:17:04 :/ Apr 15 17:17:08 pre3 is not lte or wimax. Apr 15 17:17:17 that stinks.... Apr 15 17:17:35 PatrickC_Pre2, hspa+ is the phony 4g I was thinking about Apr 15 17:17:35 Pre4G is the next one!! :) Apr 15 17:18:03 imo, what 4g == is finally a real live ip address Apr 15 17:18:08 native tcp/ip Apr 15 17:18:16 instead of the hack we have now, which is pppd for data. Apr 15 17:18:46 so, wimax and lte are real 4G? Apr 15 17:18:57 real 4g to me. Apr 15 17:19:06 ITU defined 4g as being some crazy outlandish thing Apr 15 17:19:10 not according to the international definition of 4g Apr 15 17:19:12 so thats why nobody cares about upholding it Apr 15 17:19:13 they were designed to be 4g, so yes Apr 15 17:19:31 but 4g wound up being a moving target, so even lte and wimax kinda fell short Apr 15 17:20:05 what 4g should mean: native tcp/ip to the handset, phone is voip. Apr 15 17:20:19 but i do voip for a living Apr 15 17:20:22 so maybe i'm biased ;) Apr 15 17:20:27 lol Apr 15 17:20:36 my understanding is that LTE mostly just falls short in bandwidth, but meets the other requirements. it's been a while since I read about it though Apr 15 17:21:00 yea technically advanced LTE is the only 'true 4g' standard Apr 15 17:21:06 wimax is alot slower than LTE :( Apr 15 17:21:33 brb lunch time Apr 15 17:21:41 there's an update to wimax that gets it up to 4g too (or is upcoming) Apr 15 17:22:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G Apr 15 17:22:25 true. Apr 15 17:23:02 so 1gbit over mobile == 4g Apr 15 17:23:04 :P Apr 15 17:24:35 it's silly that they require that for it to be 4g, I think the other advances/changes are more important Apr 15 17:25:33 yes Apr 15 17:25:35 NATIVE TCPIP Apr 15 17:25:37 DOWN WITH SS7 Apr 15 17:25:46 but I've never been one to focus on raw bandwidth, processor speed, etc Apr 15 17:25:50 anything that uses ss7 in this day and age should be banished. Apr 15 17:26:48 when I built my computer in 2007/8 I bought stuff (new) that was made in 2001 because it met my requirements Apr 15 17:27:41 at least you didnt use parts from 1986 Apr 15 17:27:51 ss7 is older than that. Apr 15 17:29:18 well, for a while I had an ISA modem from the 90s :) Apr 15 17:30:18 i had a microchannel modem one :P Apr 15 17:30:19 er once Apr 15 17:59:32 My first computer was a Pentium 166 :) Apr 15 17:59:34 well Apr 15 17:59:43 My first processor, that wasn't the whole computer of course :P Apr 15 18:01:26 keith: wimax was native TCP I thought, but I don't know about LTE Apr 15 18:02:45 I think of the two, wimax is more open but probably doomed Apr 15 18:03:17 Boopop: My first computer was a Commodore 64 Apr 15 18:03:29 YEAH YEAH! Apr 15 18:03:30 :P Apr 15 18:03:45 Bought a ZX Spectrum from a carboot a while back Apr 15 18:03:48 had to sell it again Apr 15 18:03:49 yuck! xD Apr 15 18:17:38 what does My Apps usually say while apps are waiting to be reviewed? Apr 15 18:17:44 is it Submitted or Ready for review? Apr 15 18:26:42 ready for review Apr 15 18:27:02 ready or waiting? Apr 15 18:27:06 (someone else just told me waiting) Apr 15 18:27:18 no, ready Apr 15 18:27:27 that's what I thought Apr 15 18:27:29 thx =] Apr 15 18:27:32 it#s submitted first, then it goes to ready for review Apr 15 18:27:36 but not now Apr 15 18:27:42 it's stuck, yeah Apr 15 18:27:50 my app from yesterday is still at Submitted Apr 15 18:27:57 oh... Apr 15 18:28:18 are you able to unstuck the submissions? Apr 15 18:28:42 systemwide problem at this point Apr 15 18:29:11 making sure I have all the details so we can put something up on the forums Apr 15 18:29:17 ok Apr 15 18:29:46 best problems, are problems on friday afternoon :) Apr 15 18:30:02 * MetaView would remove a , Apr 15 18:30:59 especially ones that have been around since wednesday =] Apr 15 18:36:40 Hah Apr 15 18:37:23 This computer makes me cry Apr 15 18:37:56 Adora: one really wonders how often the catalog has issues... Apr 15 18:38:06 you don't want to know... Apr 15 18:40:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants to know Apr 15 18:42:36 I think a cat died in this computer Apr 15 18:42:49 which computer lol Apr 15 18:42:52 the new one? Apr 15 18:43:17 No, one at my aunts shop Apr 15 18:43:18 has anyone solved the vbox4 issue with the emulators? Apr 15 18:45:01 we are having major winds here... kinda scary lol Apr 15 18:46:23 destinal: they are both native tcp/ipm which is why i consider them 4g and not hspa+ :) Apr 15 18:53:15 sugardave: got my icon on top of the button Apr 15 19:04:30 The db8 database only takes JSON objects, correct? Apr 15 19:08:33 MetaView: you should make an entry on webos101 :) Apr 15 19:11:51 right Apr 15 19:27:15 And the HTML5 database only support string objects? Apr 15 19:27:26 hi Apr 15 19:28:45 you can use BASE64 to convert from binary to string Apr 15 19:29:11 That's what I'm looking at doing. Apr 15 19:29:44 And it doesn't look like there is a limit to html5 database if you put it on /media/internal... Apr 15 19:30:45 that's right Apr 15 19:30:49 no, there is no limit Apr 15 19:31:00 Trying to store large images in some kind of storage that I can control permissions on, instead of a folder on /media/internal Apr 15 19:31:45 I guess if I have to I can just write them to a .name directory in /media/internal and keep JSON references to the files. That will keep MediaIndexer from finding them? Apr 15 19:32:22 yes Apr 15 19:32:40 except on one of my 2.x phones it seems Apr 15 19:32:45 works great in 1.4.5 :) Apr 15 19:34:44 Alright, thanks. I guess I'll try base64'ing and storing in HTML5, but I'm a bit scared of the ~33% file size increase and the time its going to take to encode/decode the images. I guess the ebst idea is just try it and see if it works :-) Apr 15 19:34:53 s/ebst/best/ Apr 15 19:35:01 good luck! Apr 15 19:35:07 Thanks Apr 15 19:38:40 does 2.x do the random "you've signed out of your palm profile... stand by while we wipe your phone" thing like 1.4.5 does? Apr 15 19:39:12 It havent done it to me (yet) ;) Apr 15 19:39:21 Besides, it only did it once to me in 1.4.5 Apr 15 19:40:31 this was actually my second time. first time was a couple days after i i got my pre+ and swapped the sim card in it (like i'd always do with my treo) Apr 15 19:41:21 I never had that happen... Apr 15 19:42:48 krushia: I swap cards constantly, done it on 1.4.5, and on 2.1... I had the problem after overwriting a database file after a Doctor Apr 15 19:46:15 i can't risk another incident like this. my pre is my life. i store everything on it, and blows my mind to think it could intentionally wipe itself. and if i'm out of service it essentially becomes a brick. Apr 15 19:46:32 How do I get eclipse to run an app in the emulator? When I try to create a run configuration, there's no emulator option under the "target" tab Apr 15 19:46:52 I'm on OSX (haven't used the SDK since I switched from Windows...) Apr 15 19:47:03 NuttyBunny: interesting... i wonder if the wipe when changing sim cards may have to do with using ATT address book or something Apr 15 19:47:28 zinge: did you install the eclipse plugin? Apr 15 19:47:29 * Popple3 waves Apr 15 19:47:44 Yup, and its set up as a webos application run configuration Apr 15 19:48:40 krushia: It shouldn't have affected Apr 15 19:48:50 * NuttyBunny waves back to Popple3 Apr 15 19:54:10 Loudergood: I was being dumb. I didn't actually have the emulator opened. Once I open it, the "Default Device" target worked fine. Thanks Apr 15 19:54:21 oh lol Apr 15 19:54:40 Although it looks like I may be having emulator problems now; I'll have to play with it for a few minutes Apr 15 19:56:50 Weird. Any idea why the emulator won't run on a second monitor? Apr 15 19:57:05 It works fine on my promary display, but when I move the window to my secondary one, everything goes away. Apr 15 19:57:18 s/promary/primary/ Apr 15 20:01:57 we only have single-monitor setups in the ghetto-lite, so I can't help you there Apr 15 20:02:48 I have 2 17" monitors I found in a friend's garage. It's not all that fancy :-) Apr 15 20:05:08 my emulator has always run fine on my second monitor, generally it lives there Apr 15 20:07:34 That's what I was trying to do, but it goes black as soon as I move the window to the second monitor Apr 15 20:07:56 I had to switch all my other windows around and now its all backwards for the moment so it can hang out on my primary monitor Apr 15 20:12:58 separate vid cards or dual head? Apr 15 20:15:44 yeah, it's working fine for me on either screen, with a dual head card Apr 15 20:16:20 my money says this is a hardware acceleration issue Apr 15 20:16:43 if you're using separate cards one may be old and either need updated drivers or to be replaced all together Apr 15 20:18:16 looks like he's having more than just vid problems... Apr 15 20:18:48 evening Apr 15 20:19:59 afternoon avarus Apr 15 20:30:22 my mini-sim to normal sim adapter arrived today :P Apr 15 20:31:19 cool! gonna use the pre2 now? Apr 15 20:31:41 no :). the pixi until pre3 is available at least :) Apr 15 20:32:22 what webOS phones do u have? just a pixi? (me loved his pixi) Apr 15 20:32:32 ... i meant Apr 15 20:32:38 * PatrickC_Home loved his pixi Apr 15 20:32:39 yes, the pixi plus Apr 15 20:33:16 it is an awesome phone, but sprint told me it had been in so many times for service that they just wanted to upgrade me.. and i said yes :D Apr 15 20:33:31 3 sections to app, can't use commandMenu (it's used elsewhere that would get in the way), what do? I'd look around app catalog apps to see the general trend, but yeah... Stupid Palm... Apr 15 20:34:01 it's easy to say yes if you have a contract :)...I only use "prepaid" (in fact it's not but I pay for what I use :P) Apr 15 20:34:26 true, and did you have to unlock it? Apr 15 20:35:02 no, the pre and the pixi aren't locked here Apr 15 20:35:05 normal list looks weird, so perhaps some nice looking custom buttons? Apr 15 20:35:17 even if you buy it from vodaphone or o2 Apr 15 20:35:32 the phones are not even branded; no logo; nowhere :P Apr 15 20:35:36 o2 got 2.1 OTA upgrade...... Apr 15 20:35:45 avarus: I wish it was like that here in Ireland... Apr 15 20:35:59 my last locked phone was an old bosch 909 or so...10+ years old :)...still have it :D Apr 15 20:36:04 I wish it was like that here in the US Apr 15 20:36:09 but you could unlock it with some cheat codes :P Apr 15 20:36:18 Bosch made phones?! O.o Apr 15 20:36:24 I know.. I know.. lol Apr 15 20:36:25 yep :P Apr 15 20:37:09 http://www.handy-sammler.de/Images/bosch_909.jpg <-- that one :) Apr 15 20:37:19 I even got a new battery for it some months ago Apr 15 20:37:23 it lasts a whole week Apr 15 20:37:39 the battery?? Apr 15 20:37:46 yea Apr 15 20:37:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 must not have a 3g data connection Apr 15 20:37:55 no, of course not :) Apr 15 20:37:56 :D Apr 15 20:38:59 I remember when I had a floppy with a program to "unlock" it...it was basically telling you what to do Apr 15 20:39:03 was pretty easy Apr 15 20:39:19 I remember floppy's :) Apr 15 20:39:37 I was about 5 when CDs came out Apr 15 20:39:43 hehe Apr 15 20:40:04 yep lol Apr 15 20:40:10 floppies became very unreliable for me...dunno if the quality of it decreased... Apr 15 20:40:14 well, give or take a year or two Apr 15 20:40:42 I had a bunch of new floppies and wanted to upgrade my bios, so I did it with floppy (was an older pc) and during "read" the flash setup said "read error"... Apr 15 20:40:56 so basically turning the pc off would result in a black screen forever :P Apr 15 20:41:00 lol Apr 15 20:41:09 I have not used a floppy in years Apr 15 20:41:12 so I got into the car and got some new floppies and copied the files from a friends pc :> Apr 15 20:41:30 and luckily that even worked... Apr 15 20:41:41 just pressed enter again and it flashed the bios :P Apr 15 20:41:53 I never flashed any bios again :P Apr 15 20:41:56 PatrickC_Home, CDs came out in 1982 Apr 15 20:42:54 RagingMind: I thought they came out in the mid 90s Apr 15 20:43:11 do you remember cassette tapes? Apr 15 20:43:16 yes Apr 15 20:43:21 I still have tons of them Apr 15 20:43:22 nope, CDs came out in 1982 Apr 15 20:44:08 PatrickC_Pre2, recordable CDs came out in 1990 Apr 15 20:44:09 ok then... they came out about 14 years before I was born lol Apr 15 20:57:07 avarus: i always flash anything around Apr 15 20:57:24 today it's a lot easier Apr 15 20:57:35 most boards even flash from cdrom, usb etc... Apr 15 20:57:41 *wounders what you guiys are flashing :D* Apr 15 20:57:46 you basically can't damage most of the boards today Apr 15 20:57:47 girlies Apr 15 20:57:57 is that a challenge? Apr 15 20:57:57 it started with bios from disk, then stick, xboxes and cd-r's, phones Apr 15 20:58:05 and i always had luck Apr 15 20:58:12 me, too Apr 15 20:58:19 never flashed anything to death Apr 15 20:58:43 i love the moments when it's flashing Apr 15 20:59:02 leiru pretty much a love hate scenario Apr 15 20:59:04 but one time I short circuited a board because I ate chips before and touched it :P Apr 15 20:59:18 lol Apr 15 21:00:05 I am woundering why there is not decently designed Warez site as in rslinks.org or something like it Apr 15 21:00:13 they all look like crap.. Apr 15 21:00:45 hay thomaschaaf, did you ever get what you needed? Apr 15 21:00:50 I wounder who donates to a site which basically put stolen content on their site :/ Apr 15 21:01:14 people sign up and pay monthly/yearly feed probably Apr 15 21:01:35 PatrickC_Home I keep getting pushed back.. "soon", "very soon", "hope to get it done this week"... unbenwired is weird.. Apr 15 21:01:48 I don't know if he is trying to stand in my way Apr 15 21:01:52 i thought he already sent it? Apr 15 21:02:02 thats what I though Apr 15 21:02:03 t Apr 15 21:02:17 wish i could help, but sorry.. Apr 15 21:02:30 sugardave can :) Apr 15 21:02:49 PatrickC_Home the phone may not be reflashed that's the real problem Apr 15 21:03:07 reflashed? Apr 15 21:03:18 i thought u just had to install a few files... Apr 15 21:03:21 PatrickC_Pre2 no doctoring else the key changens Apr 15 21:03:43 no I am just getting your device session which identifies your device Apr 15 21:03:56 I am using that to talk to the app cataloge Apr 15 21:04:00 sugardave still might have a device that is not used much, or doctored much Apr 15 21:04:34 but my phones are doctored a lot, sorry.. Apr 15 21:06:30 Thomaschaaf: which issue? Apr 15 21:06:49 where you get pushed back? Apr 15 21:07:00 leiru reviewtomail.com Apr 15 21:07:37 the issue is the domain reviewtomail.com ? Apr 15 21:07:53 leiru no I can't support american only apps Apr 15 21:08:34 unbenwired promised me an american device so I can Apr 15 21:09:21 good luck. *g* Apr 15 21:09:50 these days i am totally disappointed by palm/hp. they haven't learned from the yellow signs in germany last year where i submitted bugs. Apr 15 21:10:07 and it is always the same behaviour as i submit a bug Apr 15 21:10:25 pretty sure bug reports go to /dev/null Apr 15 21:10:36 lol Apr 15 21:10:53 at the very least they do seem extremely understaffed Apr 15 21:10:56 if i write to pdc, they say i have to flag it as bug in the forums, if i write the bug in the forums, no engineers sees the task Apr 15 21:11:08 whether they are or not.... Apr 15 21:11:13 then we have to rott together @ twitter or forums Apr 15 21:11:32 and massivly have to say it isn't working Apr 15 21:11:43 then 1 week will follow Apr 15 21:11:48 and then the bug is fixed Apr 15 21:11:58 leiru never seen a bug fixed Apr 15 21:12:31 last week my bug was fixed: after siteupdate and 2.1 out of NDA the eclipse plugin is still 1.4.5 Apr 15 21:12:33 it would be amazing if they had an open bug tracker for released software.... Apr 15 21:12:44 but the new one starts eating CPU 100% after some time Apr 15 21:12:49 haha Apr 15 21:13:00 indeed Apr 15 21:13:10 loudergood: good idea Apr 15 21:13:22 it's hardly my idea Apr 15 21:13:23 also submitted a report in the forums, it'll never be read. Apr 15 21:13:24 but they wont Apr 15 21:13:28 leiru, yes, I was wondering too why there's still the 1.4.5 plugin available Apr 15 21:13:36 Loudergood: Maybe the solution is for someone like webOS Internals to set up an unofficial bug tracker, and hope that HP/Palm will take notice Apr 15 21:13:44 as that will mean that actually have to fix the issue :/ Apr 15 21:13:50 s/the/a/ Apr 15 21:13:53 get to work on that Popple3 ;) Apr 15 21:14:07 i submitted maybe 20 bugs to them and it's always the same. it's depressing. sometimes i feel like a idiot. Apr 15 21:14:08 palm has an internal bug tracker Apr 15 21:14:40 but we can't check up to make sure the bugs are being/are fixed Apr 15 21:14:54 Tibfib: Yeah, but lets face it, not all bugs are gonna be caught internally, and submitting through a forum isn't a great solution Apr 15 21:14:57 I like Popple3s Idea best Apr 15 21:15:03 no more stupid forum posts Apr 15 21:15:05 I have only seen 1 big bug fixed, FF4 support Apr 15 21:15:11 Popple3: yep. I agree with you. just saying it exists Apr 15 21:15:30 Popple3: you should make that external bug tracker :) Apr 15 21:15:39 Thomaschaaf: I know there used to be one for the closed source ati linux driver Apr 15 21:15:40 I don't think it would be worth the effort Apr 15 21:15:57 it was under used because it was unofficial Apr 15 21:16:00 No but it would be worth the PR ;) Apr 15 21:16:20 well it will be used ;) Apr 15 21:16:21 Tibfib: Fair enough. I think maybe someone like webos internals might be high profile enough to work, but who knows really Apr 15 21:16:25 to many bugs Apr 15 21:16:36 Popple3: that's not really something webos-internals would do Apr 15 21:16:36 an ati driver is really complicated to report problems Apr 15 21:16:59 Popple3: imo, the only solution is palm to get their act together Apr 15 21:17:04 with webos we can actually probably send the fixes and button a is not working is pretty easy to understand Apr 15 21:17:14 yes Apr 15 21:17:18 Tibfib: I agree that they shouldn't have to, and that palm should sort it, but well, that's not happening really... Apr 15 21:17:43 Popple3: pdc sometimes tells me, after i wrote them, that i shall submit to forum, so a engineer catches them. my question: aren't they allowed to talk to each other @ palm? Apr 15 21:17:51 like I said, palm doing it is pretty much the ONLY solution Apr 15 21:17:59 they have to do it. it wouldn't work for an outside source to do something Apr 15 21:18:01 so i post a shortened version of the bug there. Apr 15 21:18:26 definetly not the way it should be Apr 15 21:18:51 then it lies there, and if i have luck a internal engineer finds it, most time, he does not find it. Apr 15 21:19:19 Tibfib: Yeah, it's the only proper solution, anything third party just wouldn't have the same effect. I was thinking someone high enough profile needs to pressure palm and show them how much it would help Apr 15 21:19:31 Tibfib: It'd probably be a failure though, but still Apr 15 21:19:33 PatrickC_Pre2: this is what an unofficial bugtracker looks like... http://ati.cchtml.com/describecomponents.cgi?product=ATI%20Catalyst%E2%84%A2Proprietary%20Display%20Driver Apr 15 21:19:39 pretty empty Apr 15 21:19:42 Popple3: but that's the thing, an outside one wouldn't help :/ Apr 15 21:20:43 oh well this is to frustrating Apr 15 21:20:48 I'm leaving Apr 15 21:21:22 Tibfib: I just thought it might be worth a shot, but whether it'd be worth the effort for that slim possibility is probably a big fat no Apr 15 21:22:23 I like my noes big and fat Apr 15 21:22:32 er Apr 15 21:22:35 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=577329&group_id=85796&func=browse Apr 15 21:22:45 that's a bugtracker i submitted too Apr 15 21:22:54 and no dev has to crawl user forums. Apr 15 21:22:58 grml Apr 15 21:23:33 yeah, opensource ones are generally very nice to use Apr 15 21:23:57 oh, i forgot to tell the end of the story, some weeks later, i catch a tweet where somebody has other issues. Apr 15 21:24:09 Meanwhile: 3 sections to app, can't use commandMenu (it's used elsewhere that would get in the way), what do? I'd look around app catalog apps to see the general trend, but yeah... Stupid Palm... I'm thinking nicely styled big buttons with some nice images? Apr 15 21:24:30 Popple3: wtf are you talking about? Apr 15 21:24:42 and i write this: http://twitter.com/#!/robinson_k/status/53566692399386624 Apr 15 21:24:56 then another week goes by and it is fixed without a reply Apr 15 21:25:24 sugardave: An app I'm developing. I'm wondering how to do the main scene. A normal list with just 3 items looks really weird Apr 15 21:25:51 Popple3: and some foo and bar entries so it looks cute! Apr 15 21:26:11 I'm still failing to see the problem Apr 15 21:26:57 Popple3: a normal list is fine. Apr 15 21:27:20 If you want to take a risk of making ugly buttons, go ahead :) Apr 15 21:28:39 really, I'm confused...what is the problem? Apr 15 21:29:14 sugardave: Basically, my main scene looks weird because it's just a list with 3 entries Apr 15 21:29:27 which then go off the 3 different sections of the app Apr 15 21:30:20 Tibfib: Don't worry, I won't uglify it. ;) Apr 15 21:30:33 use a palm-group and rows? Apr 15 21:30:38 umm, make 3 buttons Apr 15 21:30:48 uh...don't be so picky? Apr 15 21:30:52 what else... Apr 15 21:30:54 hmm Apr 15 21:31:43 sugardave: But being picky is the key to good UI design :P Apr 15 21:32:25 Popple3: the palm-group thing would make it look nice (I guess, no idea what's in your list rows) Apr 15 21:33:54 is there an easy way to disable 3G? Apr 15 21:34:05 2G is enough for getting email subjects :) Apr 15 21:34:11 sugardave: I'll give it a go and see Apr 15 21:35:41 avarus: patches Apr 15 21:36:15 preware? Apr 15 21:36:35 yep Apr 15 21:36:39 k :) Apr 15 21:38:30 time to become a precentral member Apr 15 21:40:28 Popple3: look at PalmFlashCards for opening scene design Apr 15 21:40:41 sugardave: what's the status? Apr 15 21:41:36 meeh...the usb port cover is driving me nuts Apr 15 21:42:02 so remove it... Apr 15 21:42:13 thought about it :P Apr 15 21:42:20 the Pre2 doesn't have a cover Apr 15 21:42:27 avarus: Pixi Plus, right? I like the cover on that :P Apr 15 21:42:32 yep, pixi plus :P Apr 15 21:42:48 I like that cover. Hate the one on my Pre- though Apr 15 21:43:12 since I cobbled together 2 pre-s, mine has never had a cover on my pre Apr 15 21:43:24 cover? Apr 15 21:43:25 I wanted to buy a touchstone capable cover but hp only offers covers in awful colors :/ Apr 15 21:43:41 vzw has them in black Apr 15 21:43:46 PatrickC_Pre2: the charge-port door Apr 15 21:43:47 who? Apr 15 21:43:50 I have an orange one :) Apr 15 21:43:58 vzw == verizon wireless Apr 15 21:44:03 oh :) Apr 15 21:44:42 I like how there is no charger door on he pre2 Apr 15 21:45:10 the* Apr 15 21:46:55 haeffb: still holding, waiting to hear about potential meeting days Apr 15 21:47:08 haeffb: they need to hire more hiring people Apr 15 21:47:14 lol Apr 15 21:47:25 They need to hire a lot of people Apr 15 21:47:55 * haeffb going mobile. catch u all later. Apr 15 21:51:18 "Download Here (EDIT: removed, updated version elsewhere)" meeh I hate forums Apr 15 21:56:31 lol Apr 15 21:56:36 what are you looking fo? Apr 15 21:56:39 for* Apr 15 21:56:47 webos quick install...already found it Apr 15 21:56:57 woo, Thursday or Friday next week (that is the goal, anyway) Apr 15 21:57:16 to go to Sunnyvale? Apr 15 21:57:23 yes Apr 15 22:00:52 meeh, it wants webosdoctor, downloads it and asks everytime to download it whenever I want to install novacom :> Apr 15 22:00:59 and I have no idea where it saved the file Apr 15 22:01:05 stupid software : Apr 15 22:01:46 * PatrickC_Pre2 is making an Exhibition mode app Apr 15 22:03:09 then, I'm gonna make a Just Type app, then an app that uses cookies Apr 15 22:04:59 Exhibition app done (its a basic app that displays only one scene) Apr 15 22:05:02 mmmm... cookies :) Apr 15 22:05:08 lol Apr 15 22:05:22 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-GsE7sCxo Apr 15 22:05:45 how do they know there is a b2 emu? Apr 15 22:06:00 it could be still b1 or it could be at b6 Apr 15 22:06:42 TibFib: I would email pdc and report that.. Apr 15 22:06:42 huh? Apr 15 22:06:48 it's on precentral Apr 15 22:06:48 aaah! pinches monos! Apr 15 22:06:53 sorry Apr 15 22:07:09 I havent seen it there yet.. Apr 15 22:07:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 looks Apr 15 22:08:01 * avarus just installed "Amigo" :D Apr 15 22:08:06 hehe the person has their email listed in the email app :D Apr 15 22:08:14 I know who leaked lol Apr 15 22:09:52 ah themes...*becoming_a_child_again Apr 15 22:09:57 There, tweeted it, sorry Apr 15 22:10:04 sorry if you know him Apr 15 22:10:41 I don't actually know him lol.. but I have an email address for him... Apr 15 22:12:08 I'm sorry for janiux@gmail.com Apr 15 22:12:25 I'm not Apr 15 22:12:30 yay, 8bit theme Apr 15 22:13:20 NuttyBunny: can you read the subject/context of any of the email :p Apr 15 22:14:59 I screenshotted the screenshot in case it gets taken down Apr 15 22:15:04 and if your comment gets deleted Apr 15 22:15:21 He received one picture, from Itzi Ponce, and the other one says "si papiringo, tengo otras, las voy a b... (uscar)", something like "yes xxxxx, I have other ones, I'm going to search for them" Apr 15 22:15:31 And I'll repost my comment again and again Apr 15 22:16:14 Don't want the ban hammer Apr 15 22:16:15 Fucking bastard Apr 15 22:16:17 lol Apr 15 22:17:10 He got access "today" (check the email app, I don't know the date the video was taken"), but Chuq gave him access at 4pm, and he was recording the video at 7pm Apr 15 22:18:30 this guy needs to feel the ultimate wrath. cause now this is blatant Apr 15 22:19:46 bnceo: I commented on your comment.. and NuttyBunny: I don't see your comment Apr 15 22:20:21 I see. Apr 15 22:20:46 I found his blog/twitter/and facebook account!! :) Apr 15 22:20:54 9th comment Apr 15 22:20:58 NuttyBunny: tweeted :) Apr 15 22:21:10 let's cyberbully the creep! Apr 15 22:21:10 you found it? I think James posted them Apr 15 22:21:12 I've tweeted it also Apr 15 22:21:28 s/it/them/ Apr 15 22:21:30 ah, the time stuff, great :D Apr 15 22:22:04 running to poderpda to see who this guy is Apr 15 22:22:15 who would ever leak to PC again tho. they don't protect their own sources it seems Apr 15 22:22:21 cause wow. horrible "journalism" Apr 15 22:22:41 http://twitter.com/#!/jainux Apr 15 22:23:13 someone protected their tweets Apr 15 22:23:44 ah, damn, his account isn't janiux in poderpda :( Apr 15 22:23:47 yeah.. probably new :p Apr 15 22:24:30 nutty, what's your twitter. don't think I have you Apr 15 22:25:06 no, no jainiux user on poderpda Apr 15 22:25:09 @cesarneg Apr 15 22:26:29 ah. a mexican. fellow latino Apr 15 22:27:24 fellow my ass Apr 15 22:27:36 lol Apr 15 22:27:37 =( Apr 15 22:27:57 and since when stupid youtube no longer downloads the videos to /tmp?? :@ Apr 15 22:28:01 I think he's mad at me cause I'm such an uber noob when he tried to tell me commands Apr 15 22:28:24 I think you guys have mixed up which personal pronouns represent whom Apr 15 22:29:16 You lost me.... who's mad? Apr 15 22:29:30 lol Apr 15 22:29:38 fellow my a** Apr 15 22:30:23 ah, yes, I'm mad... at this jainiux, should be "fellow", I'm mexican, but as I'm mad, it's "fellow? my ass!!" Apr 15 22:30:34 I was talking about me Apr 15 22:30:38 I'm latino. Apr 15 22:30:52 LOL Apr 15 22:30:55 lol Apr 15 22:31:03 sorry, as you can see I misunderstood everything!! :D Apr 15 22:31:13 you gave me your twitter. I saw. saw you were from mexico. I'm latino. I said, fellow latino Apr 15 22:31:19 fellow my ass. haha Apr 15 22:31:22 hahahaha Apr 15 22:31:41 gotta love the internet Apr 15 22:32:35 so the tard that put up the lastest youtube video of 3.0 and included his website, email and etc.. think his access to the EAP is gonna be revoked? Apr 15 22:32:39 The latino my ass was because this jainiux is mexican also Apr 15 22:33:06 ya ya. I came to that conclusion a little late. haha Apr 15 22:33:19 he's in hiding Apr 15 22:33:23 twitter is protected Apr 15 22:34:02 Jaime Ponce Apr 15 22:36:56 I can't wait to see what happens Apr 15 22:37:00 * sugardave laughs at you crazy latinos. Apr 15 22:37:01 * PatrickC_Pre2 grabs popcorn Apr 15 22:37:01 ;) Apr 15 22:37:25 we should make signs and go in front of Palm HQ and say we want this guy to get the max treatment possible Apr 15 22:37:52 +1 Apr 15 22:37:57 Yeeeah!!! Kill him!!! Apr 15 22:38:09 waterboard! Apr 15 22:38:16 I don't think NDA violations are punishable by death Apr 15 22:38:19 We should take matters into our own hands... "linchar" is the correct word Apr 15 22:38:20 not in the US Apr 15 22:38:57 well, he is in mexico Apr 15 22:39:03 yep :D Apr 15 22:39:09 can't we just say to one of the cartels that he's part of the rival one? Apr 15 22:39:15 hahahaha Apr 15 22:42:24 is an app-assistant needed for an exhibition app? Apr 15 22:42:41 it's an standard app Apr 15 22:42:58 if you need the app assistant for a standard app you use it also in an exhibition one Apr 15 22:43:05 am I wrong? :) Apr 15 22:43:11 I use stage-assistant lol Apr 15 22:44:01 cool, found a patch to set 2g only Apr 15 22:44:19 Alvaro_qc: Maybe the "advanced gesture" will work like in iOS 4.3: with a 4 finger swype. - Me: "I'd prefer to give him the middle finger gesture! " Apr 15 22:44:45 hahahahahaha Apr 15 22:48:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 really wants a touchpad after this video.. Apr 15 22:50:38 * NuttyBunny has wanted a touchpad since the first video Apr 15 22:50:52 since its presentation Apr 15 22:51:39 http://www.poderpda.com/videos/webos-3-0-beta-2-aparece-en-video/#comment-35631 Apr 15 22:51:45 First comment! Yaaay!! :D Apr 15 22:52:41 It goes like this: It was a really bad idea to left your email and your entire identity in the video, the webOS fan developers won't leave alone Apr 15 22:53:01 k. going out for a friend's birthday Apr 15 22:53:08 have a good one. keep me posted! Apr 15 22:53:17 cya Apr 15 22:53:20 c-ya Apr 15 23:00:50 ok, gotta go. See? I can't work on the plugins! something turns up everytime! :D Apr 15 23:00:55 hehehe Apr 15 23:01:01 c-ya! Apr 15 23:06:09 * avarus is just installing the uberkernel :> Apr 15 23:08:11 what phone? Apr 15 23:08:26 alzheimer phone :P Apr 15 23:08:35 pre-? lol Apr 15 23:08:44 pixi+ Apr 15 23:08:49 ah ok Apr 15 23:10:17 I ran warthog, but that's a little more bleeding edge :) Apr 15 23:18:35 heh - "This video has been removed by the user." :) Apr 15 23:18:51 coward Apr 15 23:18:56 lol Apr 15 23:18:56 ;) Apr 15 23:19:33 Hello Apr 15 23:20:17 One quick question : My beta application was rejected because of App Type Mismatch, for some reason - and yet other ones with the same message have been accepted Apr 15 23:20:33 what does the app do? Apr 15 23:20:58 Its a board/puzzle game Apr 15 23:21:04 App Type Mismatch? Does that refer to the category you file it under? Apr 15 23:21:20 I believe so Apr 15 23:21:46 Unfortunately it complains abouyt the json file Apr 15 23:22:04 appinfo.json: App is a PDK app Apr 15 23:22:16 glbasic-webos-exe: IPK contains a PDK app. This feature is supported by webOS 1.4.5 (or later). Please select a supported 'Minimum OS Version' when submitting your app. Apr 15 23:22:30 I selected 2.1 as the minimum OS version Apr 15 23:23:00 because thats the only OS I can test on Apr 15 23:24:05 im not sure, sorry Apr 15 23:25:13 I've sent an email to pdc, so hopefully they can check it Apr 15 23:29:34 anyone got an Exhibition app here?? Apr 15 23:31:00 Govnah Apr 15 23:31:13 thanks, forgot that Govnah had it Apr 15 23:31:59 wIRC needs an exhibition mode Apr 15 23:33:10 Thabjs for your help anyway! Bye! Apr 15 23:34:56 can we add things to webos internals apps? Apr 15 23:42:16 I'm gonna try to add a Exhibition mode to wIRC Apr 15 23:42:59 oil: you arround? Apr 15 23:51:41 no Apr 15 23:52:04 last i heard there was no hybrids in exhibition Apr 15 23:52:42 what a crap...installed a them from preware and now can't get rid of it :> Apr 15 23:56:07 I have no "revert to default" button at all (os x) Apr 15 23:56:26 ok.. I added the "dockmode": true Apr 15 23:56:53 and it did nothing.. but that was in the appinfo.json, not the xxx-xxx-appinfo.json Apr 15 23:57:46 what do you need to "revert to default" avarus? Apr 15 23:58:21 the theme Apr 15 23:58:35 it seems the quick install tool had a "revert to default" theme button Apr 15 23:58:35 uninstall with preware Apr 15 23:59:00 I'd like to but it's not listed there Apr 15 23:59:14 I could never get that to work (webos qi) Apr 15 23:59:23 but its still applied? Apr 15 23:59:30 yes Apr 15 23:59:36 and it's uberugly :P Apr 16 00:00:16 try installing another one and see what hapens Apr 16 00:00:17 ah, I activated the themes feed now...let's see what happens when I install a new theme Apr 16 00:00:21 yep :) Apr 16 00:00:21 happens* Apr 16 00:01:10 PatrickC_Pre2: simply adding dockmode: true != exhibition mode Apr 16 00:01:16 there has to be a scene push for it Apr 16 00:01:29 mine didn't have that Apr 16 00:01:41 I just did "dockmode": true and it pushed the main scene Apr 16 00:02:06 uggg... 405.... Apr 16 00:03:35 "cannot create directory" when I install a theme with preware :P...*phew Apr 16 00:03:55 ...file exists :> Apr 16 00:03:55 halfhalo can solve any problem ;) Apr 16 00:04:49 405 is the failz Apr 16 00:05:00 405? Apr 16 00:05:07 interstate? Apr 16 00:06:02 freeway thankyouverymuch Apr 16 00:06:41 ahh.. rush hour.. fun Apr 16 00:07:15 at least someone should have mentioned that installing a theme can screw you :P Apr 16 00:07:44 your phone just need to visit the doctor ;) Apr 16 00:07:51 the doctor solved everything Apr 16 00:08:17 the 405 is the busiest freeway in america. at rush hour. with an accident Apr 16 00:08:20 but the doctor is a last resorts Apr 16 00:08:37 ooooooo that's not fun Apr 16 00:08:50 hay funkatron Apr 16 00:09:53 brah Apr 16 00:10:10 halfhalo is having fun on the 405 Apr 16 00:11:06 someone is gonna en upmurdered Apr 16 00:11:21 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides Apr 16 00:11:41 what state? Apr 16 00:12:26 bad bad software; rm -rf :> Apr 16 00:12:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 liked the old app cat icon Apr 16 00:13:18 damn la drivers Apr 16 00:13:21 they suck Apr 16 00:15:15 * PatrickC_Pre2 is wondering how HP plans to update the app catalog icon Apr 16 00:20:42 hay nuttybunny: any progress? Apr 16 00:25:27 Question: @webosinternals tweeted about not being able to change names, but can't you just call it "wIRC client for IRC" in the Catalog and just use the shorter name in the launcher? Apr 16 00:26:39 no progress, watching tv :) Apr 16 00:27:48 with all information publicly available from palm regarding WebOS 3, apps written to optimally perform on WebOS 3 will need to be virtually completely rewritten, right? Apr 16 00:28:23 yes Apr 16 00:28:45 well, they will need to be written in Enyo, so yes Apr 16 00:28:51 nuttybunny: hehe Apr 16 00:29:14 but (which is outside of the nda) adding stuff to add features available in WebOS 2.x don't require a rewrite of any kind Apr 16 00:29:22 Xuzz: or wIRC for webOS Apr 16 00:29:29 Tibfib: that'd work Apr 16 00:29:32 but yeah, I think you're right Apr 16 00:29:40 or perhaps Palm could just fix their stuff Apr 16 00:29:43 just doesn't seem like much of a big deal; the iOS app store has the same restriction Apr 16 00:29:53 rwhitby: we all know that doesn't happen very fast Apr 16 00:29:54 Xuzz: which restriction? Apr 16 00:29:59 what is the restriction? Apr 16 00:30:08 m4dnificent: you can "steal" names and they are never re-allowed Apr 16 00:30:22 and someone did that? Apr 16 00:30:25 Xuzz: in this instance, the name was used to help Palm test their security scanner for hybrid apps, which we've been trying to help them fix since August. Apr 16 00:30:29 Xuzz: 'steal' names? Apr 16 00:30:34 rwhitby: ah, well that's different. Apr 16 00:30:55 now it makes sense Apr 16 00:31:02 m4dnificent: yeah, like I could see "oh, there's X movie coming out next year, let's register "X: The Game"" Apr 16 00:31:14 * oil is going to submit his hulahoop teaching app called "hulu" Apr 16 00:31:15 and then do nothing for it, and they would have to find another name for the app Apr 16 00:31:28 Xuzz: how do you mean the name? The title of the app or the canonical name of it? Apr 16 00:31:29 on the iOS store, it's worse though: you don't even need to submit anything! Apr 16 00:31:32 m4dnificent: title Apr 16 00:31:35 oil: lol.. thanks for stealing my official hulu name :p Apr 16 00:31:41 just register it Apr 16 00:31:48 Xuzz: ah, now I get it Apr 16 00:32:07 * Xuzz is going to submit his app to the Catalog this weekend... Apr 16 00:32:11 hopefully. Apr 16 00:32:15 Xuzz: which one? Apr 16 00:32:17 what is it? Apr 16 00:32:25 * oil is going to submit his app to the catalog last year... oh wait Apr 16 00:32:34 lol Apr 16 00:32:46 m4dnificent: oh, kinda lame Apr 16 00:32:49 just more time to work on it :) Apr 16 00:32:50 just my first one Apr 16 00:33:04 Xuzz: probably less lame then my first one Apr 16 00:33:24 Xuzz: what does it do? Apr 16 00:33:38 it was interesting: there was already a pastebin client in the Catalog on webOS, but nothing when I wrote this app for the App Store Apr 16 00:33:44 m4dnificent: full client for http://pastie.org/ Apr 16 00:33:55 auto-pastes in your clipboard, one button submit Apr 16 00:34:03 ah, a pastie.org app Apr 16 00:34:09 * rwhitby bbl - theme parks await Apr 16 00:34:17 I haven't used paste.org, I usually use pastebin.com Apr 16 00:34:23 rwhitby: can I come? :) Apr 16 00:34:32 Xuzz: cool :) Apr 16 00:35:27 PatrickC_Pre2: I like pastie.org because it looks nicer. And no ads. And no CAPTCHAs or such. Apr 16 00:35:35 m4dnificent: I need to write your review :p Apr 16 00:35:50 the pastebin app doesn't have a Captcha or ads Apr 16 00:35:51 PatrickC_Pre2: P|C hasn't published yet either Apr 16 00:36:19 no, PC has been breaking NDAs, too busy to write silly reviews :p Apr 16 00:36:22 Xuzz: use pastie for good, not for evil :) Apr 16 00:36:39 PatrickC_Pre2: the review is finished, just needs to be published Apr 16 00:36:47 how do you use it for evil? Apr 16 00:36:52 they told you that? Apr 16 00:36:56 PatrickC_Pre2: skynet? Apr 16 00:37:07 never heard of skynet Apr 16 00:37:19 PatrickC_Pre2: it's one of the taglines beneath your paste (at least, used to be like that a few years back) Apr 16 00:37:32 PatrickC_Pre2: nvm, it's meant to be a joke Apr 16 00:37:46 "Use Pastie in your quest to save humanity, not in your evil plots to take over the world!" Apr 16 00:37:50 lol... ok Apr 16 00:38:02 but taking over the world is fuuuun Apr 16 00:38:11 PatrickC_Pre2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator) Apr 16 00:39:43 so, the leaker removed the video on his own.. lol Apr 16 00:40:04 now back to default Apr 16 00:40:13 yay!! how?? Apr 16 00:41:10 webos doctor Apr 16 00:41:28 wow.. didn't think you would actually have to doctor... Apr 16 00:41:30 I'm really pissed now though (about the themes :P) Apr 16 00:41:48 I never use themes lol Apr 16 00:42:02 I am not going to install any theme again, too :P Apr 16 00:42:21 I like the default; I just wanted to "play" around Apr 16 00:42:28 if I want a custom luna theme, I put it on there myself :p Apr 16 00:42:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 can even make a custom bootloader image Apr 16 00:47:57 the feed is not enabled for a good reason (now I know :P) Apr 16 00:48:22 however, it's all working again...except my music files that are gone Apr 16 00:48:25 but no problem :P Apr 16 00:50:03 it wipes the usb drive Apr 16 00:51:12 heheheh..... Apr 16 00:51:31 yep, it told me while it was "flashing" the phone :P Apr 16 00:51:35 it = webos doctor Apr 16 00:51:39 * PatrickC_Pre2 is gonna try and make an OC kernel later today Apr 16 00:54:47 I need a list of brave beta-testers with a pre2 Apr 16 00:56:09 * Tibfib hides Apr 16 00:56:34 pre2 is a must for this beta-test Apr 16 00:58:11 tibfib: the worst that happens, you have to memboot :) Apr 16 00:58:11 PatrickC VZW Pre2 here NergalJAF at Gmail Apr 16 00:58:47 memboot? Apr 16 00:58:59 see PM Apr 16 00:59:07 brave soul Apr 16 01:00:20 tibfib: wanna? :) Apr 16 01:00:38 no thanks, gotta keep my pre2 in working condition at all times Apr 16 01:01:01 ok, you can use it when/if I release it :) Apr 16 01:01:02 HA Webos-Internals has the top memboot entry on google Apr 16 01:01:12 I'm gonna start out slow, 1.5GHz Apr 16 01:02:34 little oily tables? Apr 16 01:02:42 what? lol Apr 16 01:03:15 I'm referencing oil's last tweet Apr 16 01:03:22 lol Apr 16 01:04:58 oil: heh, that was a nice tweet :) Apr 16 01:05:15 hey sugardave don't blame oil (sorry I had too) Apr 16 01:05:22 heh Apr 16 01:06:35 NergalJAF: http://twitpic.com/3whmja Apr 16 01:07:23 hahaha Apr 16 01:07:25 bbl Apr 16 01:07:25 ha that's awesome, Oil that should be your avatar Apr 16 01:08:27 oil: what's your twitter? Apr 16 01:08:58 @dontblameoil Apr 16 01:10:03 :( I want ArchiveExtractor :( Apr 16 01:10:04 thx Apr 16 01:10:23 (no second e) Apr 16 01:24:04 good night Apr 16 01:24:14 night Apr 16 02:04:19 oh god.... why valve why Apr 16 02:06:36 what valve? Apr 16 02:06:57 potato bundle Apr 16 02:07:23 lol Apr 16 02:07:34 yeah if I didn't already have half those games... Apr 16 02:07:43 just loaded up audiosurf Apr 16 02:07:45 was interesting Apr 16 02:30:41 ya know Apr 16 02:31:02 if you really wanted a ton of followers, right now would be a prime time to obtain them quickly Apr 16 02:31:29 a TON Apr 16 02:31:54 all you gotta do is say you have some #gears3beta codes Apr 16 02:31:57 and wham.. Apr 16 02:32:17 lol Apr 16 02:32:23 but then what would I do with them? Apr 16 02:32:38 im sure most wouldnt waste the time to unfollow Apr 16 02:33:53 my rough guesstimate is theres atleast 20 tweets/second tagged with #gears3beta Apr 16 02:43:51 oh man, http://bash.org/?362137 Apr 16 02:45:17 lol that's a classic Apr 16 02:45:41 Loudergood: I usually only go there to re-read the one about the robe and wizard hat Apr 16 02:45:58 im on there Apr 16 02:46:04 that one and the missing server one are good Apr 16 02:46:07 http://bash.org/?239040 Apr 16 02:46:25 dawm_: how's my app comin? Apr 16 02:46:26 :) Apr 16 02:46:33 curiosity killed the cat Apr 16 02:46:35 i told you i only work on it mon/tues/wed Apr 16 02:46:44 and wed i was working on my car Apr 16 02:46:59 ah, I forgot about that.. sorry :) Apr 16 02:47:08 ;p Apr 16 02:47:22 dawm_: haha, n00b Apr 16 02:47:23 well, did you get far on mon+tues? Apr 16 02:47:28 its not easy trying to learn a language and port somethign over Apr 16 02:47:28 http://bash.org/?5273 Apr 16 02:47:38 dave, that was pre wordpress era Apr 16 02:47:44 i banned myself from my modblog Apr 16 02:48:40 good times ;) Apr 16 02:49:12 i forget how many times i seriously broke modblog **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 16 02:59:58 2011