**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 23 02:59:57 2011 Apr 23 03:00:07 and the arkanoid with the worlds largest trackball Apr 23 03:00:54 my dad used to manage an arcade Apr 23 04:16:29 well, I didn't get anything done tonight :/ Apr 23 04:17:36 I did :D Apr 23 04:17:49 where are my screenshots? :) Apr 23 04:17:55 PatrickC_Pre2, for being a student you spend a lot of time trying to answer questions in here ;) Apr 23 04:18:12 hehe, I'm homeschooled Apr 23 04:20:53 facebook needs to fix fbookchat already Apr 23 04:21:04 or someone needs to fix it for 'em ;) Apr 23 04:25:56 * NuttyBunny turns around Apr 23 04:26:10 hehe Apr 23 04:31:28 anyone got a spare $2700USD for a lawn mower? Apr 23 04:32:04 PatrickC_Pre2, only if you're willing to give me $4000 to mow your lawn Apr 23 04:32:13 http://www.husqvarna.com/us/homeowner/products/robotic-mowers/automower-230-acx/ Apr 23 04:32:34 though really with travel I still don't think I'd come out ahead, so make that $5000 Apr 23 04:33:03 lol Apr 23 04:33:15 that mower itself is $2700... Apr 23 04:33:29 I realize that Apr 23 04:33:55 that's just too much for something I can't drive.. lol Apr 23 04:35:06 you could ride around on top of it Apr 23 04:35:31 lol, I don't think its strong enough Apr 23 04:38:59 you're just 15.... I'm assuming you're tiny like all the other highschoolers I see around Apr 23 04:39:19 I'm constantly thinking "Was I really that small?" Apr 23 04:39:33 I'm about 6' and about 180lbs Apr 23 04:40:25 did your mom feed you miracle grow? Apr 23 04:41:14 or just put it in your shoes? Apr 23 04:41:50 lol Apr 23 04:52:21 well, I'm off to bed. night Apr 23 06:32:59 HPalm, I shouldn't have to put in the pin to turn off an alarm *as it's going off* Apr 23 12:04:03 it's quiet here Apr 23 12:18:35 too quiet.... Apr 23 12:18:45 Be careful! It's a trap!! Apr 23 12:19:02 (Starfox 64, meteor stage) Apr 23 12:19:21 haha Apr 23 12:19:49 hi Apr 23 12:23:24 hi Apr 23 13:19:13 * haeffb rings loud blaring alarm!!!!!!! Apr 23 13:20:25 Already up and at work Apr 23 13:56:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 yawns Apr 23 13:56:04 good morning Apr 23 13:58:14 Good morning Apr 23 14:13:50 how's it goin Louder|pre? Apr 23 14:14:39 Not bad considering I'm at work Apr 23 14:14:46 lol Apr 23 14:17:30 Its a short day, and noone else is here Apr 23 14:28:50 is that good? Apr 23 14:28:53 lol Apr 23 14:39:23 Anyone here worked a lot with db8? Apr 23 14:44:45 Spanska: I have Apr 23 14:45:42 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasnt Apr 23 14:48:01 * Louder|pre missed the question Apr 23 14:49:13 I have a hard time to understand how I can sort on multiple values Apr 23 14:49:26 louder Apr 23 14:49:37 lol, stupid enter button.. Apr 23 14:49:41 it was about db8 Apr 23 14:49:46 I have this SQL query: SELECT * FROM holidays ORDER BY country,firstrow,name Apr 23 14:49:47 Ah Apr 23 14:50:03 I have no idea how to order the same way I used to with DB8, I don't even know if I can do it at all Apr 23 14:50:17 Tibfib: any ideas? Apr 23 14:51:40 Spanska: lemme see Apr 23 14:52:45 Spanska: you can not do that with db8 Apr 23 14:53:12 afaik Apr 23 14:53:22 you could build a custom js function to sort it for you based on the args Apr 23 14:54:23 I was hoping I could save some CPU cycle by letting the "fast" DB8 do it Apr 23 14:55:29 if it's like mongo, couch, etc...all the nosql stuff, you have to do it in js Apr 23 14:55:32 yeah, as far as I can tell, you can only specify one property to order by Apr 23 14:55:38 * sugardave hasn't done much with db8 yet. Apr 23 14:55:46 it's pretty awesome Apr 23 14:56:06 (I no enough sql to get by, nothing fancy that db8 doesn't have) Apr 23 14:56:12 ... wow. Apr 23 14:56:14 I know Apr 23 14:56:26 heh Apr 23 14:56:55 I guess I'll have to keep my SQL db then Apr 23 14:58:18 or I can use some JS... maybe that would be better Apr 23 15:00:30 Tibfib: thanks Apr 23 15:06:56 Spanska: keep in mind that all apps use the same db8 database and there's a limit on the total amount of data. Apr 23 15:07:22 so Tibfib is probably using most of it... :) Apr 23 15:07:30 haha Apr 23 15:07:35 20mb is a crapload of json. Apr 23 15:07:44 well, I wanted to integrate with Just Type Apr 23 15:08:17 I still couldn't get it to work though except that it asks to remove the Just Type plugin when I delete my app Apr 23 15:08:26 I wonder what I did wrong Apr 23 15:08:37 Spanska: see http://github.com/Tibfib/Koto-Player/ Apr 23 15:09:12 Tibfib: I think I already looked at it a bit, I think it has something to do with my indexes Apr 23 15:09:27 I think I don't really get how they work Apr 23 15:17:13 Spanska: app/helpers/db8.js has my indexes Apr 23 15:20:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 loves that Java applet game :) Apr 23 15:23:45 Are there any functions that are run when an application is deleted? It seems like my kinds aren't deleted so I suppose there must be a way so I can do this. Apr 23 15:46:10 bbl Apr 23 15:55:21 Oh, well, I really don't know what could be wrong Apr 23 16:13:36 uggg... my face hurts Apr 23 16:13:45 it's killin' me Apr 23 16:19:06 first time in a long time that I have been to a dorm party like last night. stupid drunk people are funny though Apr 23 16:19:42 * halfhalo doesn't drink and is a morning person. he was awake by 7am this morning Apr 23 16:20:00 that's early Apr 23 16:20:07 I went to a show last night...haven't been out in years. Everyone was slobbering drunk Apr 23 16:21:01 I get up at 7 due to habit. mon-wed I'm out my door by 7:15 Apr 23 18:18:44 When an app goes into card view or back from card view in focus, is there an event or a function that's being called? I think so, I just can't recall what it is. Apr 23 18:19:06 deactivate and activate should be called Apr 23 18:21:30 ok.. exactly what I thought.. weird that it doesn't Apr 23 18:22:24 I have my app open, typing something in Just Type, I can see handleLaunch is called and I set some variables.. when I leave Just Type and go back to my app, I was thinking I could check in activate if I have these vars set but it never gets called. Apr 23 18:22:30 Is that normal in that scenario? Apr 23 18:24:27 when I tap on a seach result in Just Type, it doesn't give focus to my app if it is still running Apr 23 18:27:02 oh gotta go, I'll look into that, I'm missing something Apr 23 18:59:59 Spanska: sorry had to leave, and I haven't much experience with Just Type Apr 23 19:17:31 howdy folks! Apr 23 19:17:56 was wonderin if there's a way to backup the text assist stuff in webOS2? Apr 23 19:26:30 LIKE 100 MORE APPLIBLE "BOOKS" IN CATALOG Apr 23 19:26:31 MAD Apr 23 19:41:14 hulk smash? Apr 23 20:52:15 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves to nuttybunny Apr 23 20:52:29 * NuttyBunny waves back :) Apr 23 20:52:47 app cat work? Apr 23 20:53:16 sugardave: how were the Spankers? Apr 23 20:54:00 anyone know how to control the LED? Apr 23 20:56:26 unplug it and plug it back in ? Apr 23 20:56:53 on the phone.. lol Apr 23 20:58:08 morning Apr 23 20:58:17 morning rwhitby Apr 23 20:58:32 just take a look at any of the hundreds of topbar patches that turn on the LED Apr 23 20:58:48 all of which use a homebrew service Apr 23 20:59:02 I looked for LED torch on the github and didn't see it Apr 23 20:59:11 rwhitby: I know that Apr 23 20:59:26 I'm working with the dev of Reality Gun, and he wants to be able to use the LED for "night mode" Apr 23 20:59:44 and he doesn't want to have a homebrew version of his app, and would rather do it with a patch Apr 23 21:03:49 PatrickC_Pre2: perhaps this one? http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ledmanager.git;a=blob;f=src/net/vertigostudios/LEDManager.java Apr 23 21:04:16 although writing a shell script to write /sys files seems... kinda ugly :) Apr 23 21:05:05 I was thinking more of a simple patch rather then a shell script :) Apr 23 21:16:06 stbuehler: thanks though, I'll look into that Apr 23 21:18:28 brb Apr 23 21:38:14 PatrickC_Away: as I said, you need a homebrew service to do that Apr 23 21:48:05 rwhitby: like LED Manager? Apr 23 21:57:22 systoolsmgr is open source from Jason Apr 23 22:07:20 haeffb: Spankers were awesome, ever seen them? Apr 23 22:07:25 tonight is their last show Apr 23 22:07:33 I think, might be tomorrow night Apr 23 22:49:09 wow, just had to unplug that second hdd, and stupid windoze will boot again. (Sheesh.. stupidest."OS".ever.) k, see ya folks! Apr 23 23:26:14 madnificent: are you around? Apr 23 23:54:37 sugardave: no, just heard them on Bob&Tom in the past Apr 24 00:38:53 Spanska: am now Apr 24 01:33:31 Adora: What did the easter bunny left in the catalog? :D Apr 24 01:35:21 NuttyBunny: I'm not sure she's awake yet ;) Apr 24 01:36:43 Well... a tweet 7 minutes ago indicates otherwise... :D and it should be Angry Birds Seasons! :D (Easter) Apr 24 01:38:37 lol Apr 24 01:38:44 I see that now Apr 24 01:41:16 yup Apr 24 01:41:21 there's the update Apr 24 01:43:01 too bad I haven't even finished Halloween yet Apr 24 01:43:46 man...my pre2 gets slow as a dog trying to do any sort of disk access Apr 24 01:49:18 OMG YOU GUYS I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO PUBLISH SOME APPS Apr 24 01:49:47 sweet!!! Apr 24 01:49:57 thanks Adora! :D Apr 24 01:50:03 dkirker: congrats on the launch =] Apr 24 01:50:14 I think I left your first 5 star review Apr 24 01:50:18 :D Apr 24 01:50:38 I need to post the source code here shortly now. Apr 24 01:51:21 and a blog post! Apr 24 01:51:24 oh, you launched Universe? :3 Apr 24 01:51:26 and a tweet! Apr 24 01:51:31 SineOt: Yup! :D Apr 24 01:51:53 dkirker launches Universe, I... Paint ponies and watch Doctor Who! I feel suddenly so unproductive! XD Apr 24 01:52:01 hehe Apr 24 01:52:15 I will say that this is a pretty damn sweet pony though! :I Apr 24 01:52:22 pony? Apr 24 01:53:10 I'm sorry to rain on this parade, but... http://i-want-a-pony.com/ :'( Apr 24 01:53:32 Yeah, been working on a custom Luna for a while! http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z322/MatchaPony/PRE_2011-04-19-151713.jpg Apr 24 01:54:41 that there was a pony named Luna and webOS Luna took way too long for me to get P: Apr 24 01:54:52 so I'm going to make a webOS theme based on that some point! :I Apr 24 01:55:18 OMG I WANT ONE Apr 24 01:55:22 WITH SPARKLES Apr 24 01:56:17 yuppppp she's painted with pearl paints so she sparkles XD Apr 24 01:56:53 hehe :) Apr 24 01:57:32 it's fun to do a hands on craft again Apr 24 01:57:45 haven't done something hands on in a long while Apr 24 01:59:16 * SineOt runs off the grocery store! Apr 24 01:59:36 The only crafts I can do are dismantling and reassemble my Pre ;) Apr 24 02:00:02 do dissasembling and reassembling sound better? Apr 24 02:01:25 yep. Apr 24 02:06:19 sorry, my english is somewhat crappy today... too much fighting trolls... Apr 24 02:06:27 too much time fighting trolls Apr 24 02:11:34 your english is much better than a lot of native speakers that I know Apr 24 02:15:49 dkirker: http://twitter.com/IngloriousApps/statuses/61974569568837632 Apr 24 02:15:58 your potential customers have questions! Apr 24 02:16:38 Adora: and responded! Apr 24 02:16:41 thanks! Apr 24 02:16:54 psh, customers Apr 24 02:17:37 oh god... I am going to have to do customer support... :o Apr 24 02:17:42 * dkirker hides under the desk Apr 24 02:17:49 WOMP WOMP Apr 24 02:17:59 Loudergood: Thanks!! Having been in a bilingual school my first 9 years helped a lot ;) Apr 24 02:18:08 dkirker: Good Luck!! Apr 24 02:18:32 Adora: why is it that the ChangeLog that developers write with an app submission is not displayed anywhere for the customers of that app? Apr 24 02:18:44 NuttyBunny: thanks! Apr 24 02:18:52 we don't ask for a change log Apr 24 02:19:01 there's a "notes to reviewer" field Apr 24 02:19:07 I want a proper change log, though Apr 24 02:19:11 "this app rocks" Apr 24 02:19:17 So there is an update to Feeder today, and absolutely no indication about what has changed. Apr 24 02:19:25 that's simply unacceptable Apr 24 02:19:35 Adora: There was a "changes" field in the app description section when submitting an app. Apr 24 02:19:57 dkirker: oh? Apr 24 02:20:01 well, umm Apr 24 02:20:03 I got nothing then Apr 24 02:20:20 add it to the list of everything else that's simply unacceptable Apr 24 02:20:38 Adora: I'll take a screenie the next time I update Universe. Apr 24 02:21:08 Adora: is there at least a recommendation to developers somewhere that they should indicate in the description what has changed? Apr 24 02:21:33 rwhitby: I don't know Apr 24 02:21:49 we're reworking some of the "best practices" documents, I can get that added in Apr 24 02:21:55 Adora: thanks Apr 24 02:24:25 I'm thinking about starting a thread in the forums for that, actually Apr 24 02:25:00 I'm only supposed to be handling app review, but I've been covering submission and app catalog issues out of necessity Apr 24 02:25:24 I don't really know the submission workflow and the gotchas and best practices Apr 24 02:25:32 you know what you need? an intern! :D Apr 24 02:25:45 /rolls eyes Apr 24 02:25:50 but if I had a list of needs from you guys, I can get them better documented Apr 24 02:26:01 Got a question for the webOS UI experts here ... Apr 24 02:26:19 * Doc_Lee hovers Apr 24 02:26:25 rwhitby, you called? Apr 24 02:26:30 I have a palm-row, and I'd like to put two "Label: Value" boxes in it, side by side, half the width each. Apr 24 02:26:37 oh, I've got a list of needs Apr 24 02:26:56 funkatron: so does your mom Apr 24 02:27:11 hah Apr 24 02:27:11 what up, yo? =D Apr 24 02:27:14 hahah Apr 24 02:27:16 the Label should be always there, in blue like normal labels for listselectors and stuff. Apr 24 02:27:25 not much. hackathon went quite well I think Apr 24 02:27:34 the value I can set with innerHTML if needed, unless there is a widget which can do what I want Apr 24 02:28:23 rwhitby, there isn't a widget for it Apr 24 02:28:44 * halfhalo goes to play with new knife Apr 24 02:28:52 Do you need help with the actual layout? Apr 24 02:29:06 Adora: in the app catalog, are there specific apps that are restricted to AT&T, Sprint or Verizon devices? Do you have an example of each? Apr 24 02:29:19 Because it's basically put them both in a div, set one left, the other right. Apr 24 02:29:30 rwhitby: only carriers can do that Apr 24 02:29:36 usually with their navigation apps Apr 24 02:30:01 hay all Apr 24 02:30:01 Adora: aren't those usually carrier apps, installed by doctor or OTA, rather than app catalog apps? Apr 24 02:30:16 Doc_Lee: I'm a UI/HTML/CSS newbie Apr 24 02:30:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 came in late Apr 24 02:31:09 dkirker: congrats on getting Universe in the catalog! Apr 24 02:31:13 I'm not quite sure what the process is for that now Apr 24 02:31:22 been so long since carriers have cared about webOS.... Apr 24 02:31:28 hmm..so google image search acts strangely in the webos browser and in universe.. Apr 24 02:31:39 Doc_Lee: would I have one palm-row-wrapper div with the two label divs inside it? Apr 24 02:32:00 A palm-row-wrapper div with a div inside it. Apr 24 02:32:07 Doc_Lee: can I do the left and right in the .html file? Apr 24 02:32:17 In that inside div, put both of the labels. Apr 24 02:32:36 Give one label a style of float:left and the other a label of float:right Apr 24 02:32:38 PatrickC_Pre2: thanks! Apr 24 02:32:47 Trying to find a decent tutorial on CSS positioning Apr 24 02:32:49 so style="..." ? Apr 24 02:32:51 is it official catalog? Apr 24 02:33:06 style="float:left;" Apr 24 02:33:14 PatrickC_Pre2: I just bought it a few minutes ago! Apr 24 02:33:23 and it also told me "download failed" when I tried to upgrade (probably because I downloaded the beta via ipk) Apr 24 02:33:36 Loudergood: cool! Apr 24 02:34:07 loudergood: do you like it? (were you a part of the beta team?) Apr 24 02:34:15 I was not Apr 24 02:34:22 I'm playing with it now though Apr 24 02:34:31 ah, so you are new to Universe :) I love it! Apr 24 02:34:44 I've been a part of the beta team since the beginning Apr 24 02:35:01 dkirker: is the beta program still gonna run? or is it over? Apr 24 02:35:12 is google image search wacky for you in either browser? Apr 24 02:35:14 PatrickC_Pre2: it is probably over Apr 24 02:35:18 ok Apr 24 02:35:29 Loudergood: I'll check Apr 24 02:35:39 but beta's are fun! Apr 24 02:35:54 yeah!! lol Apr 24 02:36:02 the part after you click on an image and it's showing you a preview is where it gets funny Apr 24 02:36:51 I don't have a credit card on this phone, so I can't buy it atm.. have to reinstall the beta Apr 24 02:37:14 Universe rocks :D Apr 24 02:37:19 Doc_Lee: my goal is to make it look like a row in a List widget Apr 24 02:37:21 * Loudergood has been beta testing mozilla/firefox for 10 years now Apr 24 02:37:40 NuttyBunny: that it does! Apr 24 02:38:42 Loudergood: it gives me the choice to view full size, but that choice goes away before I can click it Apr 24 02:39:04 that's the one Apr 24 02:39:22 try the "Google Search" app Apr 24 02:39:31 I'm seeing that in the builtin browser and universe Apr 24 02:39:32 google images works great on that app Apr 24 02:39:50 I didn't check the building browser Apr 24 02:40:01 builtin* Apr 24 02:40:44 * PatrickC_Pre2 mumbles at auto correct Apr 24 02:54:51 nexus S doesn't facebook contact list Apr 24 02:54:54 makes me saaaaaaaaaaaad Apr 24 02:55:03 nothing'll handle contacts like a pre :( Apr 24 02:55:27 don't you have a pre?? Apr 24 02:55:33 yeah i do Apr 24 02:55:35 actually a pre2 does ;) Apr 24 02:55:46 my contract expires may 1 Apr 24 02:55:53 sprint nexus S may be out by then Apr 24 02:56:22 if you do anything, frankenpre2? Apr 24 02:57:01 I wonder if this is legit? Apr 24 02:57:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwAA-OwY53w&feature=youtube_gdata_player Apr 24 02:59:41 The phone desperately needed that Favorites button **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 02:59:58 2011