**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 25 02:59:57 2011
Apr 25 03:37:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> evening all
Apr 25 03:42:47 <cwayne> you PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 25 03:42:51 <cwayne> yo*
Apr 25 03:42:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay Adora_
Apr 25 03:43:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> yo cwayne
Apr 25 03:46:57 * halfhalo hides the chocolate tummies from the palm people
Apr 25 03:48:08 <keith> theres no palm people anymore :(
Apr 25 03:53:50 <SineOt> For Doctor Who's new season starting last night... We made fish fingers and custard.
Apr 25 03:53:55 <SineOt> ... And it was pretty damn tasty.
Apr 25 06:14:12 <Adora_> will someone running 1.4.5 please tell me your build number?
Apr 25 06:14:34 * phil_bw is running 1.4.5
Apr 25 06:15:12 <phil_bw> where's the build num?
Apr 25 06:15:37 <Adora_> under device info
Apr 25 06:15:45 <Adora_> tap the version number and it should show the build
Apr 25 06:15:49 <phil_bw> found it
Apr 25 06:15:52 <phil_bw> 299
Apr 25 06:16:01 <Adora_> 299??
Apr 25 06:16:04 <Adora_> jeezy, ok
Apr 25 06:16:07 * Adora_ goes hunting
Apr 25 06:16:24 <phil_bw> never needed that particular number before...
Apr 25 06:17:39 <Adora_> phil_bw:  what hardware are you using?
Apr 25 06:18:09 <phil_bw> Sprint minus
Apr 25 06:18:18 <Adora_> ahh, ok
Apr 25 06:18:34 <phil_bw> no meta doc
Apr 25 06:18:41 <Adora_> verizon has a different build number
Apr 25 06:18:59 <Adora_> 231, actually
Apr 25 06:19:18 <Adora_> I'm testing 2.0 packages on 1.4.5 so that we can hopefully change that stupid min version requirement
Apr 25 06:19:31 <phil_bw> that's the "plus" I gather
Apr 25 06:19:53 <phil_bw> ?
Apr 25 06:20:10 <phil_bw> what flavor of 2.0 packages?
Apr 25 06:20:14 <Adora_> correct
Apr 25 06:20:49 <Adora_> using synergy, in particular
Apr 25 06:21:00 <phil_bw> I was under the assumption that 2.0 stuff utilized APIs not available to 1.4.5
Apr 25 06:21:18 <Adora_> but supposedly, any app packaged with the 2.1 sdk and installed on 1.4.5 installs and works fine, but they don't uninstall cleanly
Apr 25 06:21:40 <phil_bw> btw my focus is on C++ based OpenGL stuff so I'm an idiot with "regular" webOS programming, so I apologize
Apr 25 06:22:15 <Adora_> my hypothesis is that if files are just left behind, the impact is so inconsequential compared to not getting updates at all that the dev portal needs to support this workflow
Apr 25 06:22:17 <phil_bw> I see
Apr 25 06:23:05 <phil_bw> I see
Apr 25 06:23:11 <Adora_> so anyway:  step 1 = flash a device to 1.4.5  =]
Apr 25 06:23:29 <phil_bw> if you need me to try anything for ya let me know
Apr 25 06:23:36 <halfhalo> Don't you have a desk full of phones to use?
Apr 25 06:23:44 <Adora_> I doooooooooo
Apr 25 06:23:55 <Adora_> grabbed a random one for this little project
Apr 25 06:26:09 * Adora_ may or may not be using an upside down pre 2 as a wrist rest
Apr 25 06:26:28 <phil_bw> heh
Apr 25 06:26:32 * halfhalo wants a desk full of devices... Right now his desk is full of phone line wires and wheat thin boxes
Apr 25 06:26:35 <phil_bw> that's what iPhones are for
Apr 25 06:26:54 * phil_bw barely has a desk anymore...
Apr 25 06:27:05 <halfhalo> Heh, I use my pic and think ad as coasters all the time
Apr 25 06:27:16 <phil_bw> old sewing machine table with a camping chair... :(
Apr 25 06:27:16 <halfhalo> Thinkpad*
Apr 25 06:28:52 <phil_bw> though my laptop is hooked up to the 47" lcd next to it so what I lack in desk space I make up in screen real estate I guess
Apr 25 06:29:39 <halfhalo> I really don't get large screens like that as a monitor... It's just... To big to really use efficiently
Apr 25 06:31:01 <phil_bw> well mine's the TV obviously (not my primary) but when I need more space I can fit four full windows next to each other on it
Apr 25 06:31:15 <halfhalo> I much prefer multiple monitors
Apr 25 06:31:33 <halfhalo> Desktop has two right now, and so does my Mac
Apr 25 06:31:39 <halfhalo> Same with laptop at work
Apr 25 06:31:46 <phil_bw> I used to as well
Apr 25 06:32:06 <phil_bw> downsized a lot, had to make due with the tv as my second monitor
Apr 25 06:32:18 <phil_bw> once used to it I found it quite useful
Apr 25 06:33:18 <halfhalo> Eh, I find that monitors are cheap enough to get two per computer nowadays, 130ish for a 1080p normally
Apr 25 06:33:39 <phil_bw> testing web sites works great, IE, FF, Chrome, and Safari all showing the full page (no scrolling) on the same screen at the same time.  all while having the code on my laptop screen
Apr 25 06:34:04 <halfhalo> Yeah, I usually code on one and browsers on another
Apr 25 06:34:11 <halfhalo> Well, browsers and or hulu
Apr 25 06:34:26 <phil_bw> yeah, I once had four monitors... had a real desk then too.  without the space I'm limited
Apr 25 06:34:27 <oil> multiple monitors FTW
Apr 25 06:35:08 <halfhalo> I really with the mac mini supported morw than 2 monitors
Apr 25 06:35:30 * oil runs 3 at home and 2 at work
Apr 25 06:35:32 <phil_bw> I often have hulu up on the big screen, then the wife can watch from the couch as well
Apr 25 06:36:13 <halfhalo> I have three at home that switch between Mac and desktop, plus laptop and sometimes thr desktop on the HDTV
Apr 25 06:37:07 <phil_bw> I'm down to just one computer as well (wife has a netbook but it doesn't count)
Apr 25 06:37:47 <halfhalo> I could never just have one computer... Two, maybe but one would have to be a MacBook air, but not one
Apr 25 06:38:21 <phil_bw> coming from having a dedicated server, pc based router/firewall, desktop, and a laptop...
Apr 25 06:38:58 <phil_bw> now my trusty Fujitsu Lifebook runs the show
Apr 25 06:39:34 <halfhalo> Right now I have two laptops, a NetBook, thr Mac, and my desktop
Apr 25 06:40:39 <phil_bw> I got married and had a couple kids.  As the kids came the computers left
Apr 25 06:42:01 <phil_bw> Still have my fancy ass printer, that's gotta be good for something.  Did some direct printing to CDs tonight actually.
Apr 25 06:46:00 <phil_bw> well my battery is low and I'm too lazy to go to the kitchen and get it.  'night all
Apr 25 06:46:07 * phil_bw wanders off
Apr 25 12:11:39 <MikeEcho> Hey guys, does anyone have a minute to help a newb out with a JSON list widget problem?
Apr 25 12:23:46 <gaurav_> just state your issue, someone will probably jump on and help
Apr 25 12:29:59 <MikeEcho> Well, I'm grabbing a feed with Ajax request, which seems to be fine, but no matter what I put in my rowtemplate, nothing seems to display. I've posted on the forums already (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13064) so it's a bit cheeky to ask here, but I'm up against a college deadline!
Apr 25 12:40:31 <Guest86930> i can i get my group to be highlight to send a text to them?
Apr 25 12:58:39 <Spanska> Is Terminal working on webOS 2.0?
Apr 25 14:07:32 <madnificent> MikeEcho: have you tried entering manual data, to see if that renders?
Apr 25 14:07:45 <MikeEcho> I have indeed, and it seems to work fine.
Apr 25 14:08:04 <madnificent> ah, so the model of the data you entered manually must be different from the data you fetched from the feed
Apr 25 14:08:57 <MikeEcho> Yeah, it's a little more advanced from the feed.
Apr 25 14:09:48 <madnificent> well, step 1 is: create some dummy data which matches the feed's data model
Apr 25 14:09:55 <sugardave> MikeEcho: are you SURE your response is valid and has data?  onSuccess will get called even in some cases when you don't get a valid response
Apr 25 14:10:03 <madnificent> step 2 is: swap the dummy data with the fetched one
Apr 25 14:10:34 <madnificent> MikeEcho: but you must try to use the same model in both (unless you're doing some form of conversion in between).  That way it's fairly simple to discover where the problem lies
Apr 25 14:11:15 <sugardave> MikeEcho: I also like to use evalJSON: 'force' for my Ajax setup :)
Apr 25 14:11:20 <MikeEcho> Okay, well this is the feed I'm using: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/london/ataglance.json
Apr 25 14:11:39 <MikeEcho> I had to pick a complicated one, right?
Apr 25 14:11:47 <sugardave> MikeEcho: OH I KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS
Apr 25 14:12:09 <sugardave> you need to set your model.items to response.responseJSON
Apr 25 14:12:13 <sugardave> instead of response
Apr 25 14:12:42 <MikeEcho> I'll try that.
Apr 25 14:13:06 <madnificent> (and no, you should try to pick a simple example and work your way up to something more complex)
Apr 25 14:14:48 <MikeEcho> Now I don't seem to be getting the status message.
Apr 25 14:15:11 <MikeEcho> With success or failure.
Apr 25 14:16:13 <sugardave> any errors in the log?
Apr 25 14:16:38 <MikeEcho> Nope.
Apr 25 14:16:45 <MikeEcho> It's just sitting with a blank scene.
Apr 25 14:18:02 <sugardave> MikeEcho: can you pastebin your current code?
Apr 25 14:18:07 <MikeEcho> Sure thing.
Apr 25 14:18:51 <MikeEcho> http://pastebin.com/XeJS06xw
Apr 25 14:21:09 <sugardave> MikeEcho: no, I meant response.responseJSON, response is an object that should have properties (among others) responseText, responseXML, responseJSON.  So, you're failing because you are trying to set equal to undefined object (responseJSON, instead of response.responseJSON) - line 62
Apr 25 14:21:44 <MikeEcho> Ah, I think I confused myself by naming the variable reponse.
Apr 25 14:21:56 <sugardave> well, it's alright
Apr 25 14:22:01 <sugardave> you're getting the response object
Apr 25 14:22:11 <sugardave> so whatever you call it, it will be whatever.responseJSON
Apr 25 14:22:17 <sugardave> that you want
Apr 25 14:23:20 <MikeEcho> That works now (pops up with succes), but still no content.
Apr 25 14:23:47 <sugardave> okay, possible that your evalJSON for Ajax is screwing it up? change to "force" instead of "true"
Apr 25 14:25:15 <MikeEcho> that's not changed anything unfortunately, could the issue now be in my rowtemplate?
Apr 25 14:25:43 <sugardave> well, it depends on the data you're receiving, so we need to dump it somewhere
Apr 25 14:25:49 <sugardave> to look at it
Apr 25 14:26:21 <MikeEcho> Well, the feed will be the same each time (for today): http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/london/ataglance.json
Apr 25 14:26:21 <sugardave> can you Mojo.Log.info response.responseText and pastebin the cutoff stuff?
Apr 25 14:26:50 <sugardave> MikeEcho: but we need to guarantee that's what you're getting back from your Ajax request
Apr 25 14:27:31 <MikeEcho> Okay, I've no idea about Mojo.Log.info (sorry, totally new at this).
Apr 25 14:27:43 <sugardave> oh, I see...okay, hang on a second
Apr 25 14:28:15 <MikeEcho> I think I've found an example, I'll try it.
Apr 25 14:29:50 <sugardave> interesting....the JSON is just an object, not an array so you will only ever get one entry in your list as it is right now
Apr 25 14:30:09 <sugardave> "schedule" should be shownn, but it is an object itself
Apr 25 14:30:35 <MikeEcho> Am I going to have to turn it into an array?
Apr 25 14:32:25 <sugardave> MikeEcho: drip to a simpler row template just for the hell of it and try to get it to print #{schedule.service.type}
Apr 25 14:32:31 <sugardave> s/drip/drop/
Apr 25 14:32:37 <sugardave> it should print "tv"
Apr 25 14:32:47 <MikeEcho> I've added "Mojo.Log.info(response.responseJSON);" into ajaxSuccess now.
Apr 25 14:32:56 <MikeEcho> hmm , okay
Apr 25 14:35:04 <MikeEcho> Nope, doesn't print anything, I'll pastebin my rowtemplate to make sure I'm not doing something silly.
Apr 25 14:35:34 <MikeEcho> http://pastebin.com/uB41gbP5
Apr 25 14:35:36 <sugardave> I think it's the array thing....your model.items wants to be an array
Apr 25 14:35:58 <sugardave> so if you set it to the "broadcasts" array from inside your object, you can use that
Apr 25 14:37:07 <MikeEcho> How do I go about that?
Apr 25 14:37:07 <sugardave> it would be response.responseJSON.schedule.service.day.broadcasts
Apr 25 14:37:12 <MikeEcho> Ah, thanks.
Apr 25 14:37:17 <sugardave> their JSON sucks
Apr 25 14:37:26 <halfhalo> your json sucks
Apr 25 14:37:35 <halfhalo> whatarewetalkingaboutagain
Apr 25 14:37:36 <sugardave> better than the BBC's :P
Apr 25 14:37:39 <MikeEcho> I tried to find something as simple as possible >.>
Apr 25 14:37:46 <sugardave> MikeEcho: FAIL
Apr 25 14:38:03 <MikeEcho> Well, that had an actual use.
Apr 25 14:38:10 <MikeEcho> I could've done something pointless.
Apr 25 14:38:23 <sugardave> MikeEcho: now the thing is....the broadcasts array is where you want to pick your row template vars from
Apr 25 14:38:48 <sugardave> so like, is_repeat, pid, and so on
Apr 25 14:39:09 <MikeEcho> Okay.
Apr 25 14:39:53 <MikeEcho> I've added in: response.responseJSON.schedule.service.day.broadcasts, and now I don't get the success pop-up.
Apr 25 14:41:05 <MikeEcho> No error output.
Apr 25 14:41:54 <sugardave> I probably have it wrong, reading that shit makes my head hurt, hang on
Apr 25 14:42:24 <MikeEcho> Thanks :)
Apr 25 14:43:02 <halfhalo> there's an app for. that
Apr 25 14:43:46 <sugardave> ah, it's response.responseJSON.schedule.day.broadcasts
Apr 25 14:44:33 <halfhalo> today... is one of those days...
Apr 25 14:44:38 <MikeEcho> Yup, that's loaded.
Apr 25 14:44:50 <MikeEcho> But nothing displayed still.
Apr 25 14:45:12 <sugardave> right, because the broadcasts array doesn't have objects that have the properties in your row template
Apr 25 14:45:46 <sugardave> so try a row with #{pid} and see of you get something
Apr 25 14:46:13 <MikeEcho> I just tried that, and sadly no joy.
Apr 25 14:46:18 <sugardave> bogus
Apr 25 14:47:04 <MikeEcho> Could it be my scene's HTML at all?
Apr 25 14:47:05 <halfhalo> today is one of those days where I may have gone 30 over the speed limit in my schools parking structre
Apr 25 14:47:09 <halfhalo> backwards
Apr 25 14:47:34 <MikeEcho> Stop the presses.
Apr 25 14:47:36 <MikeEcho> I'm a tit.
Apr 25 14:47:52 <MikeEcho> I had a reference left to a different scene in my scene's HTML.
Apr 25 14:47:54 <MikeEcho> >.>
Apr 25 14:47:56 * MikeEcho facepalms.
Apr 25 14:48:06 <MikeEcho> changed that, and now I get the PIDs appear.
Apr 25 14:48:17 <sugardave> woohoo!
Apr 25 14:48:23 <MikeEcho> :d
Apr 25 14:48:28 <MikeEcho> :D**
Apr 25 14:48:34 <MikeEcho> Thanks so much.
Apr 25 14:48:45 <sugardave> okay, so now you just need to re-do your template to match the data in that array
Apr 25 14:48:46 <sugardave> no
Apr 25 14:48:49 <sugardave> problem
Apr 25 14:49:03 <MikeEcho> Yup, I'll work it all out from here, that's my project saved.
Apr 25 14:49:25 <MikeEcho> I owe you several beers.
Apr 25 14:50:06 <halfhalo> annndddd now its sleepytime
Apr 25 14:50:06 <sugardave> if I ever cashed in all my beers, I could start a bar ;)
Apr 25 14:50:47 <halfhalo> or die of alcohol poisening
Apr 25 14:50:58 * halfhalo can't speel toda
Apr 25 14:51:07 <sugardave> today?
Apr 25 14:51:13 <halfhalo> maybe
Apr 25 14:51:52 <halfhalo> I blame the lack of a certain caffinated substance
Apr 25 14:51:57 <sugardave> flash makes my fan spin up...stupid flash
Apr 25 14:52:36 <halfhalo> heh... I have not heard my fan in my laptop in months
Apr 25 14:53:05 <halfhalo> yay thinkpad!
Apr 25 14:53:25 <sugardave> if things continue to go my way, I may have to replace this laptop I bought last year
Apr 25 14:53:44 <halfhalo> nice
Apr 25 14:53:52 <sugardave> bluray drive is borked and there seems to be a short somewhere in the display wiring
Apr 25 14:53:54 <halfhalo> get an apple.  that will show them
Apr 25 14:54:05 <sugardave> I've thought about it
Apr 25 14:54:07 <RagingMind> sugardave, what do you hve now?
Apr 25 14:54:27 <sugardave> RagingMind: an Asus K-somethingorother with a core 2 duo
Apr 25 14:54:40 * RagingMind misses his thinkpad
Apr 25 14:54:43 <halfhalo> found your problem: its an asu
Apr 25 14:54:44 <halfhalo> s
Apr 25 14:54:53 <sugardave> for work, I have a ThinkPad T60p
Apr 25 14:55:17 <sugardave> it's a POS
Apr 25 14:55:21 <halfhalo> I have an asus c90s somewhere in my house.... its got a turo charger
Apr 25 14:55:27 <halfhalo> which is a pos?
Apr 25 14:55:28 <sugardave> heh
Apr 25 14:55:32 <sugardave> T60p
Apr 25 14:55:38 <halfhalo> turbu*
Apr 25 14:55:39 <sugardave> I'm on my 7 replacement shell
Apr 25 14:55:46 <sugardave> 7th
Apr 25 14:55:46 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 25 14:55:55 <halfhalo> on 2nd for t400
Apr 25 14:56:04 <sugardave> run VMWare?  well, screw ever having a working an again
Apr 25 14:56:04 <halfhalo> well, 3rd
Apr 25 14:56:07 <RagingMind> my T42 was great
Apr 25 14:56:12 <sugardave> s/an/fan/
Apr 25 14:56:25 <halfhalo> the second one they put on was for a t61
Apr 25 14:57:11 <halfhalo> I run vmware just fine on mine, save fr th damn intel odd dram bug that they have
Apr 25 14:57:12 <MikeEcho> Got to love thinkpads.
Apr 25 14:57:20 <sugardave> if things go really, REALLY well, I might gat a MacBook of some kind AND an HP Envy of some kind ;)
Apr 25 14:57:23 <MikeEcho> I just got a new x201.
Apr 25 14:57:46 <halfhalo> I want the next gen mba with thunderbolt... ah need me some multi monitors
Apr 25 14:58:13 <sugardave> halfhalo: there's some chipset bug in the T60p that causes all kinds of shit to go wrong and the fan just stops spinning some times and the whole thing heats up to the point it begins powering off
Apr 25 14:58:34 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 25 14:58:38 <sugardave> basically anytime you hit the GPU, you're playing Russian roulette
Apr 25 14:58:43 <halfhalo> I blame intel
Apr 25 14:59:09 <sugardave> bah, meeting
Apr 25 14:59:30 <halfhalo> there's a chipset bug with the t400 as well where uneven ram dimms created graphical issues
Apr 25 15:00:11 <halfhalo> buuuttt.... ram got cheap again, so not an issue anymore
Apr 25 15:01:03 <halfhalo> seriously, 80 bucks for 8gb....
Apr 25 15:05:32 <MikeEcho> what OS do you guys run?
Apr 25 15:05:46 <halfhalo> win7
Apr 25 15:06:06 <halfhalo> and macos on other computers
Apr 25 15:06:18 <MikeEcho> I'm an Arch Linux man.
Apr 25 15:06:44 <sugardave> Ubuntu for now
Apr 25 15:08:11 <halfhalo> not a linux desktop person myself really
Apr 25 15:14:18 <MikeEcho> It's not for everyone.
Apr 25 15:19:08 <leiru> hi
Apr 25 15:22:36 <infiniteloop> hi leiru
Apr 25 15:22:46 <leiru> halfhalo: what about the x61 series? i am thinking if i buy a used one
Apr 25 15:24:20 <halfhalo> x61 are decent, but the newer ones are cheap enough to go for them instead imho
Apr 25 15:24:47 <MikeEcho> I had an x60 tablet, they seem so slow compared to modern stuff.
Apr 25 15:25:42 <avarus> that's one less :P
Apr 25 15:26:16 <MikeEcho> Close enough :P
Apr 25 15:27:02 <avarus> hehe
Apr 25 15:27:22 <sugardave> I've been running Ubuntu for about a year now...not missing Windows too much
Apr 25 15:51:07 * PatrickC_Pre2 wanders in
Apr 25 16:05:30 <kevets> arg i am stuck in activation limbo with poor reception
Apr 25 16:05:59 <kevets> tried a reset last night to clear some settings / data not connecting and couldnt reactivate after
Apr 25 16:11:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> kevets: every day phone? or dev device?
Apr 25 16:15:14 <maik> any of yous guys know much about this sprint/google voice thing?
Apr 25 16:15:21 <kevets> regular everyday pre plus
Apr 25 16:15:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> not really. I believe that PuffTheMagic is using it
Apr 25 16:15:49 <kevets> trying the webos doctor 1.4.5 image for vzw
Apr 25 16:15:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> kevets: my suggestion is to get to an area with better reception
Apr 25 16:16:09 <kevets> yeah will try that when i have a minute
Apr 25 16:16:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> or go to vzw
Apr 25 16:16:21 <summatusmentis> I did something stupid, is there a way to turn off asking for a pin when you unlock your device?
Apr 25 16:16:24 <kevets> at work its bad inside - maay do that as well
Apr 25 16:16:42 <summatusmentis> or rather, a way that doesn't involve knowing the pin
Apr 25 16:16:47 <maik> summatusmentis: unless it's enforced by Exchange
Apr 25 16:16:50 <maik> lol
Apr 25 16:16:50 <summatusmentis> I set a pin, and then immediately forgot it
Apr 25 16:16:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> summatusmentis: doctoring?
Apr 25 16:16:54 <maik> rofl
Apr 25 16:17:20 <maik> summatusmentis: what's the length?
Apr 25 16:17:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> the doctor can fix anything :)
Apr 25 16:18:04 <maik> because you've got x^10 number of possible combinations.  hopefully x=1 :)
Apr 25 16:18:11 <kevets> what about the doctors that stall like halfway through saying unable to update your device?
Apr 25 16:18:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone know if we have the same 1yr warranty with dev devices as regular consumers?
Apr 25 16:18:34 <maik> er, wow, that doesn't work at all
Apr 25 16:18:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> kevets: #webos-internals can answer that for you :)
Apr 25 16:19:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> maik: lol
Apr 25 16:19:18 <kevets> ok we'll see how this goes - at 42% now
Apr 25 16:19:41 <maik> never really thought about x=1 in that
Apr 25 16:19:52 <maik> perhaps it's still true for very large values of 1
Apr 25 16:20:18 <maik> oh, that's why, i always reverse the numbers
Apr 25 16:20:21 <maik> 10^x
Apr 25 16:20:27 * maik pats self
Apr 25 16:21:38 <sugardave> math is hard
Apr 25 16:22:29 <maik> ya
Apr 25 16:22:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's math?
Apr 25 16:22:48 <maik> like meth, but so much worse
Apr 25 16:32:21 <summatusmentis> maik: I think 5, possibly 6
Apr 25 16:32:48 <summatusmentis> I don't really wanna doctor if I don't have to
Apr 25 16:32:59 <maik> 10^6 = 1million
Apr 25 16:33:00 <maik> good luck :)
Apr 25 16:35:45 <summatusmentis> yeah, I've tried 2, if I enter one more incorrectly, the phone'll erase itself
Apr 25 16:36:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> erase itself??
Apr 25 16:36:36 <summatusmentis> meh, either erase itself or doctor, same thing right?
Apr 25 16:36:55 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_Pre2: yeh, wipe your data, in case your phone was stolen
Apr 25 16:37:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> I thought it just locked you out for X minutes
Apr 25 16:38:26 <maik> summatusmentis: you set this option in the phone or via Exchange?
Apr 25 16:39:43 <summatusmentis> so I've been trying pins again, and it hasn't erased my phone, so apparently it lied to me?
Apr 25 16:42:02 <summatusmentis> you got 10^6 because there are 10 potential #s?
Apr 25 16:48:45 <RagingMind> summatusmentis, is it in developer mode?
Apr 25 16:49:00 <summatusmentis> I think so?
Apr 25 16:49:08 <summatusmentis> I'm not quite sure
Apr 25 16:49:12 <RagingMind> I saw a patch that would bypass the pin
Apr 25 16:49:18 <summatusmentis> oh yeah
Apr 25 16:49:20 <RagingMind> I *think*
Apr 25 16:49:25 <summatusmentis> no, I think you're right
Apr 25 16:49:46 <RagingMind> so if it's in dev mode you should be able to install it via quick install  :)
Apr 25 16:50:12 <RagingMind> otherwise you can just use meta-doc to make a backup of all your data, then doctor
Apr 25 16:52:32 <summatusmentis> yeah, I'll try the patch route first
Apr 25 16:56:58 <hemna> So do Webos phones send location info back to Palm/HP like the iOS does?
Apr 25 17:00:36 <RagingMind> hemna, if you enable google location services then google will collect info
Apr 25 17:01:27 <hemna> what do you mean by google location services?   google maps  app?
Apr 25 17:01:36 <RagingMind> no... that's just an app
Apr 25 17:02:05 <RagingMind> in the location services app there's a setting for google services, it's what allows your phone to use wifi hot spots to help locate it
Apr 25 17:02:22 <RagingMind> I always keep it off an rely just on GPS for location
Apr 25 17:02:30 <hemna> the "Background Data Collection" option in the Location Services app?
Apr 25 17:03:00 <hemna> that's a bit different than what Apple is doing
Apr 25 17:03:14 <hemna> they are collecting location info w/o a user's ability to turn it off
Apr 25 17:03:44 <RagingMind> I'm not sure if HPalm collect and store data at all
Apr 25 17:04:11 <RagingMind> I just know that the Google services depends on that data collection for that system to work
Apr 25 17:04:44 <hemna> Apple says it "needs" that data
Apr 25 17:04:50 <hemna> I don't think Palm needs it or cares
Apr 25 17:05:18 <hemna> just curious if there is something in the background that sends data to HPalm w/o the ability to disable it
Apr 25 17:07:00 <summatusmentis> RagingMind: that patch isn't available for 2.1 :(
Apr 25 17:10:02 <RagingMind> hemna, I'm looking at the meta-doctor make file and apparently there is an upload daemon that sends stuff to Palm
Apr 25 17:10:32 <RagingMind> looks like it's easy to disable with meta-doc, but I doubt there's a user-on-phone-friendly way
Apr 25 17:10:33 <hemna> is that for the data backup to the cloud?
Apr 25 17:10:50 <RagingMind> hemna, backup is separate I'm mostly sure
Apr 25 17:13:27 <summatusmentis> RagingMind: is there a way on meta-doc to leave all the data on the phone, and just reset some of the settings?
Apr 25 17:15:34 <RagingMind> summatusmentis, any regular doctor should leave all the stuff on your USB drive as-is (assuming your'e not changing OS versions)
Apr 25 17:15:49 <RagingMind> so yes that would extend to meta-doc
Apr 25 17:15:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> summatusmentis: ^^ yeah, and the save/restore & backup app
Apr 25 17:16:03 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, he can't run that
Apr 25 17:16:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> can you run it from novacom?
Apr 25 17:16:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know he can launch it..
Apr 25 17:16:30 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Pre2, I keep meaning to ask rod about that
Apr 25 17:16:56 <RagingMind> it would be really handy to have an easy way to run all the save/restore scripts from novaterm
Apr 25 17:16:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> it would be awesome if you could..
Apr 25 17:17:18 <RagingMind> as far as i know they are just scripts... so maybe it's already easy?
Apr 25 17:22:55 <summatusmentis> I have some old save/restore scripts, from when I was on 1.4.5, I'm not sure I have save/restore installed on 2.1
Apr 25 17:23:10 <summatusmentis> or, not scripts, but backups
Apr 25 17:33:29 <RagingMind> well I just looked at the scripts and they can't be run on their own and expected to work
Apr 25 17:44:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
Apr 25 17:44:43 <summatusmentis> I guess I'll rebuild the meta-doc
Apr 25 18:04:19 <sugardave> hmm, this page seems to indicate that the Pre 3 will ship with Enyo
Apr 25 18:04:42 <sugardave> I thought Pre 3 and Veer were coming with no Enyo until a later update
Apr 25 18:04:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> I thought that too...
Apr 25 18:05:32 <sugardave> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/getting_ready_for_new_devices.html
Apr 25 18:07:48 <halfhalo> solution: don't think
Apr 25 18:08:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't think very often, and when I do... watch out
Apr 25 18:08:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> "Both the Pre3 and the TouchPad will continue to support the Mojo application framework....."
Apr 25 18:11:09 <Spanska> It is possible to listen for a propertyChange event for a checkbox and use stopPropagation to prevent the checkbox to be checked?
Apr 25 18:11:48 <NuttyBunny> Spanska: Isn't it easier to set it as disabled in its properties?
Apr 25 18:12:39 <Spanska> I just want to block the events for a given delay, say 100 ms.. just to make sure I don't do anything if the user keeps checking and unchecking the checkbox quickly
Apr 25 18:13:23 <NuttyBunny> ah, ... no, I don't know then :)
Apr 25 18:16:32 <Spanska> sugardave: interesting link
Apr 25 18:20:31 * PatrickC_Pre2 is waiting patiently for almost 3 weeks to hear back from Rovio
Apr 25 18:20:50 <Spanska> how come?
Apr 25 18:21:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I emailed the regarding switching from a Pixi to a Pre.
Apr 25 18:21:32 <Spanska> oh to keep the game and your settings?
Apr 25 18:21:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> and buying Angry Birds on the Pixi, and it not being compatible with the Pre
Apr 25 18:21:58 <Spanska> oh, I thought it would have been.. strange
Apr 25 18:22:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, same here...
Apr 25 18:22:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> 3 weeks is long time to wait..
Apr 25 18:23:15 <keith> '11
Apr 25 18:23:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
Apr 25 18:24:34 <sugardave> well, if a PDK app requires a Pre, I don't think an email is going to fix that
Apr 25 18:24:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> it worked on my Pixi, I used it on my Pixi
Apr 25 18:25:15 <sugardave> so why is it not compatible?
Apr 25 18:25:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> idk
Apr 25 18:25:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> it is the only app that is like that afaik
Apr 25 18:28:58 <sugardave> well, you are totally doing something wrong, because Angry Birds runs on my 1.4.5 Pre no problem
Apr 25 18:29:21 <PatrickC_Away> it didn't even try and download when I upgraded
Apr 25 18:29:29 <PatrickC_Away> it acted as if I never bought it :/
Apr 25 18:29:37 <sugardave> again, the problem is you
Apr 25 18:29:41 <sugardave> guaranteed
Apr 25 18:29:57 * halfhalo seconds that statement
Apr 25 18:30:07 <NuttyBunny> I think the appid is different for both versions of angry birds (Pixi vs Pre)
Apr 25 18:30:10 <PatrickC_Away> how could I mess it up?
Apr 25 18:30:20 <PatrickC_Away> hmm.. weird.. I'll check to see if it is
Apr 25 18:30:30 <sugardave> PatrickC_Away: by being?
Apr 25 18:30:53 <PatrickC_Away> by being what?
Apr 25 18:31:29 <sugardave> NuttyBunny: 2 app ids?  Bummer
Apr 25 18:32:40 <PatrickC_Away> bbl
Apr 25 18:36:38 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: yup, a mistake from rovio, but maybe it was because angrybirds pixi couldn't be created with the PDK at the time, it had some weird problem with 2D apps, they maybe packed a newer PDL version with the pixi version
Apr 25 18:36:59 <infiniteloop> so if I update my app shouldn't it show up in the "updated" section of the palm catalog app ?
Apr 25 18:40:31 <infiniteloop> I see that lots of apps were updated/released on apr 23 (including mine https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.appartists.worldclock) however I don't see my app in the updated list at all
Apr 25 18:52:04 <ajay> howdy folks!
Apr 25 18:58:45 <nyceane> ello
Apr 25 19:01:15 <NuttyBunny> hey
Apr 25 19:25:55 <haeffb> Spanska: look up Mojo.Function.debounce
Apr 25 19:26:59 <Spanska> thanks haeffb
Apr 25 19:27:15 <Spanska> I was actually implementing some sort of check this function must do right now ;)
Apr 25 19:28:40 <Spanska> I still have a lot to learn!
Apr 25 19:29:14 <summatusmentis> hey RagingMind, I installed that patch, restarted my phone, and now I bypassed the pin. But now I can't reset the pin without knowing the previous one
Apr 25 19:44:31 <RagingMind> summatusmentis, great that you're back on your phone.  no clue how to change/reset a pin in those circumstances :(
Apr 25 19:44:58 <summatusmentis> yeh, I'm just doctoring it
Apr 25 21:01:01 <dawm_> http://www.wiggyshifties.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/azul-shiftie.jpg
Apr 25 21:01:19 <dawm_> bought this for the new car, ive got a black one somewhere for the project/race car
Apr 25 21:16:38 <b0bben> hey all
Apr 25 21:17:04 <b0bben> quick q: is there any support for streaming video in webos 2.x?
Apr 25 21:17:11 <b0bben> is that thing still under NDA btw?
Apr 25 21:19:26 <keith> no and no
Apr 25 21:22:53 <dmjones> quit
Apr 25 21:25:58 <funkatron> heh
Apr 25 21:26:46 <dohtem> Anything juicy from that Richard Kerris podcast?
Apr 25 21:27:13 <NuttyBunny> nothing much, just a preview of the way app sharing could work between devices
Apr 25 21:32:21 <b0bben> keith: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/video.html
Apr 25 21:33:02 <keith> ive never seen any app do video streaming
Apr 25 21:33:07 <keith> personally
Apr 25 21:33:11 <keith> so good luck!
Apr 25 21:33:25 <b0bben> i'll be the first then!
Apr 25 21:33:26 <b0bben> :)
Apr 25 21:34:48 <b0bben> so another question while i'm at it: i'll be doing some heavy xml parsing. what's your favorite ass-kicking xml parsing lib on webos?
Apr 25 21:35:08 <dohtem> keith: Youtube?
Apr 25 21:35:27 <keith> dunno
Apr 25 21:35:29 <keith> perl? :P
Apr 25 21:35:37 <keith> youtube opensource?
Apr 25 21:38:47 <b0bben> jquery is the right answer ppl, jquery
Apr 25 21:55:37 <leiru> touchpad in the house: http://twitpic.com/4pil69
Apr 25 21:56:13 <dohtem> were you allowed to touch it?
Apr 25 21:56:59 <keith> define allowed
Apr 25 21:57:08 <keith> if they followed hp's code of conduct, no
Apr 25 21:57:12 <keith> nobody is allowed to touch it :P
Apr 25 21:59:06 <leiru> ;)
Apr 25 21:59:24 <SineOt> can you wave a hotdog at it? :I
Apr 25 21:59:41 <keith> no thats public indecency
Apr 25 21:59:44 <dohtem> SineOt: is that a euphemism?
Apr 25 21:59:45 <keith> nobody wants to see your hot dog.
Apr 25 21:59:53 <leiru> i waived 2 before cleaning it.
Apr 25 22:00:06 <keith> The photo you were looking for no longer exists
Apr 25 22:00:07 <keith> hahaha
Apr 25 22:00:11 <keith> BYEBYE PHOTO
Apr 25 22:00:17 <leiru> byebye!
Apr 25 22:00:27 * keith saves it and send it to palm with leiru's name on it
Apr 25 22:00:46 <SineOt> no! you can work a capacitive screen with a hot dog
Apr 25 22:00:48 <leiru> i did not sign the contract :D
Apr 25 22:01:00 <SineOt> so technically, you wouldn't be touching it!
Apr 25 22:01:03 <SineOt> a hot dog would be :I
Apr 25 22:01:12 <keith> no, but the person who let you touch it is most likely an employee
Apr 25 22:01:15 <keith> who can lose their job over this
Apr 25 22:01:17 <keith> but eh
Apr 25 22:01:24 <keith> no split milk ;)
Apr 25 22:02:04 <leiru> keith: lol? a manager get's dev devices - and the developer isn't allowed to touch?
Apr 25 22:02:14 <keith> correct.
Apr 25 22:02:25 <keith> unless youre a hpalm employee
Apr 25 22:02:31 <keith> and if you are, you signed the contract :D
Apr 25 22:02:40 <leiru> eh
Apr 25 22:02:45 <leiru> hm okay.
Apr 25 22:02:51 <leiru> won't touch your bubble.
Apr 25 22:03:01 <keith> aint mine, im not a hpalm employee
Apr 25 22:03:08 <keith> i'm just saying, this is the real they go by.
Apr 25 22:03:17 <keith> er rule
Apr 25 22:07:34 <dohtem> gah! webos news drought1
Apr 25 22:07:53 <leiru> keith: so you have got a lot of more experience like me. where are your touchpads? :)
Apr 25 22:08:11 <leiru> *grin*
Apr 25 22:08:15 * sugardave didn't mean to get that Palm employee fired.
Apr 25 22:08:38 <sugardave> but I had to touch the TouchPad...it is like impossible not to
Apr 25 22:08:56 <keith> the cops seized the backpack after i didn't make jumping that last wall.
Apr 25 22:09:09 <keith> i played with a pre3 the other day
Apr 25 22:09:10 <keith> sexay.
Apr 25 22:09:20 <sugardave> it's pretty nice
Apr 25 22:09:32 <SineOt> here's to hoping that Sprint gets it :p
Apr 25 22:09:43 <sugardave> SineOt: better have a Plan B
Apr 25 22:09:47 <keith> i'd bet $100 on that not happening before oct at least.
Apr 25 22:09:51 <keith> if ever
Apr 25 22:09:54 <keith> my gut is on ever.
Apr 25 22:10:07 <SineOt> yeah, Plan B is probably "just get unlocked devices and use ATT"
Apr 25 22:10:31 <leiru> sugardave: yepp. really impossible. they throw with that prototypes like i never seen before.
Apr 25 22:10:33 <dohtem> if they are not all cdma
Apr 25 22:14:29 * Hendikins beats Latitude with a stick. It has his location to within 6m, but doesn't know where he is.
Apr 25 22:20:06 <freshrap6> is the pre3 nice enough to delay the purchase of a newer phone until?
Apr 25 22:22:16 <SineOt> dunno, depends on what your options are really
Apr 25 22:22:50 <SineOt> and what kind of delay you're willing to deal with
Apr 25 22:24:35 <freshrap6> gotcha
Apr 25 22:25:30 <SineOt> in other words: can't really say without knowing more :p
Apr 25 22:26:18 <freshrap6> cool, im considering the nexus s on sprint as a summer purchase
Apr 25 22:26:21 <sugardave> freshrap6: if you can wait until "summer" (whenever that is), the I would wait
Apr 25 22:26:53 <SineOt> well, given you're waiting on another summer device, yeah, it's worth waiting XD
Apr 25 22:27:07 <SineOt> at least to find out what markets it's going to hit
Apr 25 22:28:09 <freshrap6> that gives me a chance to play the sdk some more
Apr 25 22:31:31 <Doc_Lee> Nexus S is a nice phone
Apr 25 23:32:53 <Spanska> oh, I can almost feel summer
Apr 26 01:51:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 wanders in
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