**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 05 02:59:57 2011 May 05 03:00:35 or even the ones that I liked second best May 05 03:00:43 my T400 has a extremely low brightness setting for that type of stuff May 05 03:00:48 both were primarily neoprene May 05 03:01:13 well, when you're stuck with a mac, you use nocturne :p May 05 03:01:52 you could also get a setting between off and one tick up with it May 05 03:01:52 halfhalo: I used to lower my brightness, but my hackintosh's screen broke, and they sent me a knockoff replacement where the lowest brightness and the highest brightness were super bright and the middle was just slightly less. May 05 03:02:29 opt-shift-brightness down. May 05 03:02:41 Oh man, Nocturne 2.0 is awesome May 05 03:02:43 lol May 05 03:02:47 Last I used it was on the 1.0 branches May 05 03:03:00 * halfhalo is waiting for the next gen air before buying a new mac laptop May 05 03:03:08 since it can do everything I currently do on my mini May 05 03:03:36 I'm not even sure what I'm waiting for, but right now I have to replace my hackintosh netbook's screen every six months and it still ends up much cheaper. May 05 03:03:44 ctbeiser: putting the mac in emacs? May 05 03:04:21 dwc-: option shift volume or brightness up/down gets you quarter tick steps. May 05 03:05:18 * halfhalo also needs to eventually update his desktop May 05 03:06:24 Night everyone. May 05 03:08:03 Webos doesn't need F.lux, it just needs to let me keep the screen off in exhibition... May 05 03:11:40 ctbeiser: good to know, but seriously, why's it trying to be emacs? May 05 03:17:03 dwc-: shift makes it silent, and option tends to add extra options to regular actions. (option click the airport menu). May 05 03:20:56 I wouldn't mind seeing flux in webOS though May 05 03:21:02 especially with a tablet on the way May 05 03:21:06 I'd rather NOT roast my eyes @_@ May 05 03:23:39 flux? May 05 03:24:10 Doc_Lee: http://stereopsis.com/flux/ May 05 03:24:51 Ah May 05 03:25:10 that's interesting, considering my irc client is already light grey on black May 05 03:25:24 I wonder if that would get inverted unpleasantly May 05 03:25:39 what's up Loudergood? May 05 03:26:10 procrastinating as usual May 05 03:26:20 lol May 05 03:26:32 what's wrong with ur irc client? May 05 03:26:44 nothing at all May 05 03:27:06 SineOt was talking about flux http://stereopsis.com/flux/ May 05 03:27:37 Oh, flux isn't the one that inverts May 05 03:27:43 Nocturne is the one that inverts May 05 03:28:01 oh I see that now May 05 03:28:03 hmm May 05 03:28:04 Flux just adjusts the monitor color temperature/white point to generally match your ambient lighting at night (and is really, really nice) May 05 03:28:23 because if you've got yellow lights, a bright blue monitor is going to be way rougher on your eyes than a yellow one May 05 03:28:56 yeah I just started it and everything turned pink May 05 03:30:01 ew May 05 03:30:45 it's an intriguing concept May 05 03:30:52 lost a fair amount of contrast too May 05 03:30:56 you adjust to the color changes May 05 03:31:10 especially when it shifts from day to night and not straight into night May 05 03:31:56 I hated it for a long time but then just started using it and now my computer looks weird as hell when it's not running May 05 03:33:11 this could be handy if it works as advertised May 05 03:33:29 my gf hates the fact that I always ended reading for an hour or so when I go to bed May 05 03:34:27 it would be interesting for TVs as well May 05 03:34:46 yeah May 05 03:34:57 TV white points are so high it's barf May 05 03:35:16 honestly I already have the brightness on my monitors turned all the way down May 05 03:35:24 makes them stand out great on a showroom floor, but at home? no way May 05 03:35:53 I keep the brightness about half way and the white point at 5400k May 05 03:35:54 and even like that they're still brighter than my thinkpad at maximum May 05 03:36:34 I couldn't care less about color accuracy, I gave that up when I got rid of my big beautiful CRT May 05 03:37:06 let my parents have it, and it's been recycled since because they scratched the heck out of the anti-glare coating May 05 03:37:37 of course I also have a softspot for green on black displays May 05 03:39:51 hee May 05 03:40:17 wow... May 05 03:40:34 * halfhalo notes the air being pushed out over the top of his desktop case is currently at 116F May 05 03:41:03 installing gentoo? May 05 03:41:16 zune is converting the hangover for device May 05 03:41:42 is it at least multithreaded? May 05 03:41:54 yeah May 05 03:42:16 all 4 cores current at 80% May 05 03:43:27 already converted it from a 16GB file to a 2GB m4v, now zune is going from that to a 720p file May 05 03:43:40 I should convert some for my pre May 05 03:43:54 mostly some top gear specials... May 05 03:44:09 those are always good May 05 03:50:53 * halfhalo wants more vram May 05 03:58:57 change the slider in the emulator ;) May 05 04:08:44 sprint's replacing my phone.. finally :P May 05 04:18:52 http://m.precentral.net/hp-approved-fossil-meta-watch-connects-your-wrist-your-phone May 05 04:31:07 hey dkirker May 05 04:32:33 hi PatrickC_Pre2 May 05 04:33:33 is the version of Universe on github a newer version then the one in the app catalog? May 05 04:34:19 yes May 05 04:34:31 I will download Google Bookmarks May 05 04:34:50 cool! May 05 04:34:53 V1.0.6? May 05 04:35:06 I need to make one change to that, and add 2 way sync (there needs to be one more column in the database) May 05 04:35:13 I think it is v1.0.9 May 05 04:35:27 oh.. I need to get that one then :P May 05 04:35:36 I'm at 1.0.6 now May 05 04:36:05 wait a few more hours, if you can May 05 04:36:16 I'm gonna do it sometime tomorrow May 05 04:36:22 and I see you updated it today :) May 05 04:37:12 in the app catalog? May 05 04:37:42 in githiub May 05 04:37:46 github* May 05 04:37:57 right, early early in the morning, when I should have been asleep :P May 05 04:37:58 I have a github app on my pre2 May 05 04:38:14 oh? May 05 04:38:19 one exists? May 05 04:38:19 lol, yeah, at like 1:23AM May 05 04:38:25 check preware May 05 04:38:30 its a read-only app May 05 04:38:35 but, it works.. May 05 04:38:45 Github Beta is the name May 05 04:39:45 ah, I see it May 05 04:40:15 yep May 05 07:03:55 hi Adora! May 05 07:03:59 hi everyone! May 05 07:10:30 g'day dkirker May 05 07:10:44 hi rwhitby! May 05 07:10:45 hi dkirker May 05 07:10:53 hey all, friend installing the SDK and it says win7/vista only. May 05 07:10:58 hi hotdp May 05 07:11:18 he just wants palm-install, novaterm, etc, to work--does anyone know how to make that happen on xp? May 05 07:11:40 established solution, short of acquiring a win7/vista machine/vm (or running linux vm, etc?) May 05 07:13:28 bah wrong time of night i'd imagine ^.^, surely there are people using xp out there? May 05 07:13:50 dtzWill i am not :/ May 05 07:14:08 hotdp: hehe appreciate the response anyway :) May 05 07:14:16 should lurk in here more anyway, hehe May 05 07:14:22 yer May 05 08:45:27 congrats sugardave.. :) May 05 09:33:56 any ideas on getting a 5x5, or 4x5 icon theme for webos2.1? May 05 09:39:36 is it possible to extract an ipk that I installed on one phone, to install it onto another..? May 05 09:39:54 My own app, no piracy going on or anything like that May 05 09:46:33 never mind, go it the source from it and packaged it up again and installed it May 05 11:38:19 afternoon May 05 11:38:57 good afternoon swisstomcat May 05 12:27:21 Ah, talking with the software dev @ Google I know can get quite interesting. May 05 12:27:21 Like trying to work out how Latitude had no idea where this is: http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/stalker-redfernsat.png May 05 14:52:16 * halfhalo yawns goodmorning May 05 15:13:02 evening May 05 15:50:52 bueno dias senores y senoras May 05 15:53:22 feliz cinco de mayo May 05 15:53:54 Si May 05 15:55:20 There are way more french speakers than spanish speakers up here, so that's about the range of my espanol May 05 15:56:00 heh...I speak spafranglais May 05 15:56:46 lol May 05 16:01:17 sugardave: Cerveza y Tequila =) but none for me today May 05 16:01:19 =( May 05 16:02:56 funny thing is Cinco De Mayo is no big deal in Mexico it is an Americanized Holiday May 05 16:03:32 duh May 05 16:03:59 americans take random holidays and make them into really big drinking day May 05 16:03:59 s May 05 16:04:15 that's what we do. and quite well. May 05 16:04:21 Yup May 05 16:04:31 halfhalo: yeap May 05 16:05:01 It is Rudolf the Raindeer's Birthday --> DRINK May 05 16:05:08 * halfhalo should point out he doesn't drink. but laughs at people when they get wasted May 05 16:05:39 halfhalo: i drink but have cutback alot... but I love tequila May 05 16:05:59 Yeah, I get drunk about once or twice a year May 05 16:06:18 we have a local event called Eeyore's Birthday for Pete's sake May 05 16:07:00 partly due to being underage (and college kids don't get the good stuff), but mostly because I like to drive way to much. and be a crazy driver May 05 16:07:50 sugardave: yeah that is right! May 05 16:08:15 and the spam (food) festival in austin! May 05 16:08:26 I haven't been to it in ages, but that is nothing but an excuse to get drunk/high and bang on drums all day May 05 16:08:36 eeyore's that is May 05 16:08:54 sounds like a Friday here May 05 16:08:55 i never did attend, but austin like san diego makes excuses to drink May 05 16:09:00 hi there May 05 16:09:04 hi MetaView May 05 16:09:12 in san diego by the beach people drink beer with breakfast at 7am May 05 16:09:15 sugar? congrats May 05 16:09:20 yes, thank you! May 05 16:09:56 sugardave: congrats for what? May 05 16:10:08 sugardave: congrats regardless! May 05 16:10:09 * halfhalo should get a sports car as a better excuse to not drink May 05 16:10:17 LoneStar99: I'm joining Palm on the webOS SWAT team on May 23 May 05 16:10:34 sugardave: awesome congrats May 05 16:10:36 and thanks! May 05 16:10:38 :) May 05 16:10:42 hi hotdp May 05 16:10:46 does that mean u will work for Palm now? May 05 16:10:46 hi dave May 05 16:10:53 no HP! May 05 16:10:57 halo hotdp? May 05 16:11:02 :P May 05 16:11:05 hi LoneStar99 May 05 16:11:06 heh, HPalm May 05 16:11:20 sugardave: awesome May 05 16:11:32 Swat team, he will probably arrive at midnight with a couple of guns and destroy the house you live in ;) May 05 16:11:37 haha May 05 16:11:43 sugardave: send us all a free veer and pre 3!! May 05 16:11:57 * halfhalo will slap anyone from hp who uses facehp. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE May 05 16:11:57 I have to get mine first ;) May 05 16:12:00 hotdp: just passed danemark last week :) May 05 16:12:55 sugardave: u moving 2 cali? May 05 16:13:23 LoneStar99: no, that's the awesome part. I will stay in Austin and telecommute, etc. May 05 16:13:24 @hp/palm we need separate checks for Pixi and Veer May 05 16:13:38 sugardave: what means swat team? May 05 16:13:51 sugardave: even awesomer May 05 16:14:31 MetaView: I don't know if they have an acronym for it, actually. Nobody has told me :) Tibfib thinks it's "Super webOS Awesome Team" May 05 16:14:44 nice May 05 16:14:51 and what's your job? May 05 16:15:12 touching pads and looking awesome? May 05 16:15:37 * MetaView want do that too, especially if I can do it from my balcony :) May 05 16:15:47 lots of stuff, but the main purpose will be to work with partners who lack the resources (and desire to obtain them) to produce webOS applications. I will work with them and write their app May 05 16:15:53 hi adora May 05 16:15:59 @hp/palm we need separate checks for Pixi and Veer May 05 16:16:11 sugardave: can u write my app? LOL May 05 16:16:25 sugardave: might be a nice job (depends on the customer...) May 05 16:16:25 LoneStar99: heh, well, Palm will decide priority ;) May 05 16:16:45 sugardave: JK, need to learn by coding May 05 16:16:58 MetaView: right, the general plan is to spend 2-3 weeks at the partner to get it done...then on to a new one :) May 05 16:17:10 sugardave: but a dev veer and Pre3 would be killer =) May 05 16:17:16 heh May 05 16:17:21 * sugardave looks at Adora. May 05 16:17:36 go visit microsoft and help them port their silverlight DRM May 05 16:17:44 ok back to coding my webos app May 05 16:17:51 sugardave: yes! You should feel guilty if you don't get us all a pre3, a veer, the touchpad, and that funky watch May 05 16:17:58 ryanwatkins: that would be cool, eh? May 05 16:18:01 sugardave: sounds like a fun job btw May 05 16:18:30 madnificent: yeah, I think so, too! I'll feel REALLY bad if they give me a TouchPad and you guys don't have one...but only for a nanosecond May 05 16:18:32 sugardave: you could also go to apple for a week and annoy their devs, just for fun May 05 16:18:35 funcky watch in red!! May 05 16:18:46 hehe May 05 16:18:52 with a yellow indiglow May 05 16:19:00 sugardave: LoL and that same nanosecond is supposed to give you the feeling of "woah, I'm holding a touchpad" May 05 16:19:00 would be plenty helpful. I know more than Netflix would appreciate it. May 05 16:19:59 madnificent: I already got to poke around on one...it's really nice May 05 16:20:11 sugardave: don't say that! May 05 16:20:16 sugardave: NOW you should feel guilty ;) May 05 16:20:16 oops :) May 05 16:20:32 * sugardave blames Ben. May 05 16:21:07 he's the one that brought it to the interview...what was I supposed to do? :) May 05 16:21:10 just voicing this as I find it increasingly annoying: Why can't we get sales reports (not payment, that's a whole different story) on the day the app was sold? Why must we wait a month and some days for them? May 05 16:21:55 sugardave: either case, I guess it'll be a little longer until they reach belgium and a lot longer until I can afford one, but I'm really looking forward to toying with it May 05 16:22:22 you will like it May 05 16:23:18 OFC, after seeing reviews about it for 6 months I'll be all WOOP WOOP May 05 16:23:33 * madnificent does hope the build quality is better than the pre- May 05 16:23:40 uh May 05 16:23:43 most assuredly May 05 16:24:02 "solid" is the word I would use to describe how it felt May 05 16:24:08 I presume it will be better May 05 16:24:12 ah, that's good to hear May 05 16:49:13 cool! the development center has now an icon where the download count used to be. There's even a link behind it! Sadly it doesn't point to a working location (guess it'll be fixed soon, the button is still hot) May 05 16:56:13 LoneStar99: sounds like a great thing, beer with breakfast is an ancient and noble tradition May 05 16:56:59 I know that was kind of far back in the scrollback but it had to be said :) May 05 16:59:36 destinal: yeah forsure =) May 05 16:59:50 I think cinco de mayo is big in one state in mexico, and then in the US May 05 17:00:14 destinal: lol May 05 17:00:29 dwc- yeah probably puebla and all the breweries =) May 05 17:01:01 cold pizza and warm beer, breakfast of college champions May 05 17:01:34 anyone want free business card u only pay $5 shipping? May 05 17:01:39 cards May 05 17:02:32 i should have mine today from Moo.com May 05 17:02:53 I got an offer for Moo through about.me May 05 17:02:58 but, not going to do it yet May 05 17:03:47 sugardave: yeah it is the same promo, well let you know how the cards look, i think they arrived today will check mail later May 05 17:04:03 cool May 05 17:04:18 http://about.me/diegom May 05 17:04:49 picture --> pacific beach SD May 05 17:12:31 kinda quiet in here May 05 17:14:14 too quiet... May 05 17:14:19 * sugardave checks for zombies. May 05 17:14:40 rrrrrrrrooooaaaahhhhhhhbrains May 05 17:15:56 ok, unofficial webos chatroom! May 05 17:15:58 woo hoo! May 05 17:18:09 hello prenez May 05 17:20:30 * halfhalo yawns May 05 18:16:29 Quiet in here today May 05 18:24:34 i'm all ears. May 05 18:26:27 Louder|pre: odd, eh May 05 18:27:02 Patrick's phone must be broken May 05 18:27:15 yay! May 05 18:27:23 Louder|pre: doesn't he have like 20 or so? May 05 18:27:40 True... Field trip? May 05 18:27:47 haha homeschooled May 05 18:58:48 * halfhalo flips a coin to decide where to get food today May 05 18:59:59 the coin landed on his side May 05 19:00:03 no food for halfhalo today May 05 19:00:50 no, side is taco bell May 05 19:00:55 taco bell it is! May 05 19:02:54 funny how that always happens May 05 19:02:55 :D May 05 19:03:03 enjoy! May 05 19:15:33 sugardave: you there? May 05 19:26:14 *debugging* May 05 19:30:59 instead of using "this.model" what can I use? i can not remember May 05 19:31:58 this.fooBar? May 05 19:32:09 or anything else? May 05 19:32:28 this.controller ? May 05 19:32:31 this['model'] as wll May 05 19:32:47 some model values are also in the attributes... May 05 19:33:12 LoneStar99: pls specify your question :) May 05 19:33:24 yeah ok hold up brb in 3 May 05 19:33:38 * halfhalo personally prefers this['blah'] over this.blah for most stuff May 05 19:33:54 halfhalo: damned are you! May 05 19:34:01 ? May 05 19:34:12 i am the total this fetishist ;) May 05 19:34:19 the entire opposite of you May 05 19:34:48 well, I tend to have alot of dynamic objects where I need obj[variable], so I just do obj["blag" for consistency May 05 19:34:53 a this['foo'] is really alien May 05 19:35:16 it all depends on the situation really May 05 19:35:33 ok sorry what I was looking for was "Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get" May 05 19:35:53 mmh... wise words.. May 05 19:35:56 LoneStar99: hrhr May 05 19:37:35 * halfhalo has a program with like 20 callbacks in a chain... keeping track of this becomes a major pain the rear May 05 19:38:05 node FTW! May 05 19:41:26 getting an error with "this.model.originalValue" can I do something like "Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().model.OriginalValue"?? May 05 19:50:15 swisstomcat, you enjoying twitter today ? :) May 05 19:50:42 is the 'My Apps' download count broken? May 05 19:53:37 forget my questions solved my issues... May 05 19:53:44 helo swisstomcat May 05 19:58:34 simsontp: a slow day for me :D May 05 19:58:36 hey lonestar May 05 19:58:46 lol May 05 20:00:23 swisstomcat, so congratulations on your new job ;) May 05 20:00:36 swisstomcat, and how can you be of help to us EU developers ? May 05 20:00:48 thanks :) May 05 20:00:59 simpsonstp: you tell me May 05 20:01:22 swisstomcat: a dev event in belgium would be cool May 05 20:01:26 well I'm stil waiting for my promised Pre2 ;) May 05 20:01:28 sadly, I'd be the only dev May 05 20:01:32 SimpsonTP: me too :) May 05 20:01:32 or in holland for that matter May 05 20:01:42 SimpsonTP: where are you in the netherlands? May 05 20:01:48 amsterdam May 05 20:01:51 madnificent: webosconnect.com May 05 20:01:59 i'm in amsterdam next week May 05 20:02:05 swisstomcat: I know, I can't find the time :) May 05 20:02:10 swisstomcat, really when / where ? May 05 20:02:11 * madnificent was kidding May 05 20:02:11 if someone wants to organize a meetup May 05 20:02:18 mobilism.nl May 05 20:02:37 thursday/friday May 05 20:02:38 swisstomcat: I may join in on one of the events later though May 05 20:02:56 madnificent: i can join such events May 05 20:03:20 swisstomcat: not sure what you want to say May 05 20:03:50 if there's an event organized in the netherlands by the community, i'll be happy to support & maybe attend it May 05 20:03:55 swisstomcat, interesting care for a coffee May 05 20:04:00 ? May 05 20:04:02 ah, like that May 05 20:04:03 sure May 05 20:04:14 SimpsonTP just want to touch a touchpad May 05 20:04:30 swisstomcat, although not sold in the netherlands I try to get something going at my work May 05 20:04:54 great May 05 20:05:08 i'll be happy to give support/help May 05 20:05:30 swisstomcat, when do you arrive / leave ? May 05 20:05:48 i'll probably arrive wednesday already .. late May 05 20:05:52 and then leave friday .. late May 05 20:06:06 travel is not booked yet May 05 20:06:09 k.. so a pretty packed schedule May 05 20:06:31 best bet is probably friday, before i leave May 05 20:36:05 hi swisstomcat May 05 20:37:43 MetaView: got tickets for berlin ( or preregesitration ) :) May 05 20:38:05 tickets for Berlin? where to aply? May 05 20:38:45 wtf you didn't heard about it? mom May 05 20:38:56 the webos conf May 05 20:39:11 I registered, but haven't heard anything back May 05 20:39:16 https://h30463.www3.hp.com/rsvp/invitation/invitation.asp?id=/m1c9c3a7-HM3ZLW2UXY27 May 05 20:39:28 yes i registered too. May 05 20:39:35 i think this is my ticket?! May 05 20:40:21 hallo metaview May 05 20:40:25 and leiru May 05 20:40:31 see you both in berlin? May 05 20:40:33 i pre-registered and i can show the bodyguars this email on my pre2 @ the entrance :) May 05 20:40:38 so this is my ticket :) May 05 20:41:10 swisstomcat: yepp! May 05 20:41:44 great! May 05 20:41:51 hm, where is my email... May 05 20:42:36 Btw, I'm glad they only do it on the evening, don't have too much vacation days... May 05 20:43:17 swisstomcat: maybe you can help me... this project is BSd license, hp (you) could use it... whom i get on the nerves to get a obfuscator integrated in palm-package? musn't been ruby ;) May 05 20:43:21 https://github.com/robertkowalski/Compress-my-Mojo May 05 20:44:16 it uses google clusre compiler or YUI compressor on unix-like systems to compress and obfuscate the code. May 05 20:44:55 I think SDK stuff is lemketron May 05 20:45:00 leiru: can't you do it in the script? May 05 20:45:19 leiru: who sent the email? I can't find it May 05 20:45:40 MetaView: the task is to deliver it from hp/palm without any scripts/additions May 05 20:46:00 hrm, i've got an email with an confirmation code May 05 20:46:13 hm, maybe I reregister... May 05 20:46:38 MetaView: im lucky at this. my company will pay me the train and 5 euros for beeing in berlin ;) May 05 20:47:24 and without any need to add something or to configure... just integrating it into the package process May 05 20:49:49 but palm-package is already a script May 05 20:50:50 sure. but why not making it better? May 05 20:51:19 sure, but you will have to wait quit some time :) May 05 20:51:57 the packaging process would take longer mhh. May 05 20:52:26 i don't have to decide this, but i just can say, that is a solution, that many devs want :) May 05 20:52:48 ubuntu is booting :) May 05 20:53:07 PatrickC_Pre2: my one booted some hours ago May 05 20:53:19 lol May 05 20:53:27 I just fixed the bootloader May 05 20:54:29 anyone here running 11.04? May 05 20:55:01 PatrickC_Pre2: i uninstalled it after it seemed that just vbox 4.x runs on it (kernel foo) May 05 20:55:25 so nothing for webOS developing May 05 20:55:27 :((( May 05 20:55:34 its finishing the install now May 05 20:55:50 I'm gonna install novacom on it, no vbox though May 05 20:56:38 i got 11.04 PatrickC_Pre2 May 05 20:56:52 cwayne: you got novacom installed? May 05 20:57:02 havent tried since i upgraded May 05 20:57:12 MetaView: pdc sent the mail May 05 20:57:18 just looked after it May 05 20:57:52 PDC May 05 20:58:29 ok, thx, now I found it May 05 21:00:29 I sent an email to pdc a while ago about a a warranty problem, and they forwarded it to my dev rep May 05 21:01:28 on 4/28 they forwarded it to my dev rep, and I haven't heard anything back.. May 05 21:01:33 should I email again? May 05 21:02:54 why not? May 05 21:03:26 okay, i'm in bed. it's 23:00 and i have to create a touchpad app tomorrow ;) May 05 21:03:48 nite May 05 21:04:16 g'night leiru May 05 21:04:26 nite May 05 21:11:56 say, i just recently got a palm pre (one of the older ones) with 1.4.5 and i was wondering what exactly i can do with it. May 05 21:12:13 like, as far as programming on it/updating the OS goes May 05 21:12:18 upgrade it to 2.e May 05 21:12:19 it makes phone calls! May 05 21:12:20 2.1 May 05 21:13:28 but i read on the webos-internals wiki that i won't be able to update to the sprint prl if i do that, and i need to make calls May 05 21:13:32 zandi: if you go to developer.palm.com you can get the SDK, etc. May 05 21:19:14 no sales counted today? May 05 21:25:52 thanks for the bit of direction. once i get the sdk, where would i go from there? May 05 21:28:35 zandi: what's your normal approach to things? May 05 21:28:47 zandi: head first, or do you like to study before you start? May 05 21:29:11 study a bit, but i don't mind jumping in head first May 05 21:29:56 IIRC there are some sample apps, there's this introduction from palm on their site May 05 21:30:42 http://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo.html May 05 21:30:48 zandi: ^ doesn't sound like a bad start May 05 21:30:54 oh wait, that's mojo May 05 21:31:12 I did mojo, do you want to develop for the next-gen devices only, or do you want to support legacy things? May 05 21:33:19 bbl May 05 21:37:15 zandi: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/category/tutorials/webos/ <- a series of tutorials by swisstomcat May 05 21:39:03 score! May 05 21:39:15 just won 1,000,000 coins in bejeweled blitz.. again ;D May 05 21:39:33 that makes a grand total of 2,525,000 coins ;D May 05 21:40:13 dang. palm really has alienated most of their current customers: http://www.precentral.net/hp-releases-webos-1-4-5-1-contains-bug-fixes-not-much-else#comments May 05 21:40:59 Highlights… Be sure to try out the new features in HP webOS 1.4.5.1 May 05 21:41:44 Man fstab bug fix? Awesome! May 05 21:42:04 possibly, we dunno May 05 21:42:18 or has it been confirmed? May 05 21:42:57 well, i've only got the old palm, so it's legacy-only i guess, heh May 05 21:43:12 I think the plan is that the alienating most of a small number of current customers is worth it to put the effort into winning from the larger pool of potential customers. May 05 21:44:02 but yeah, thanks dohtem, i'll check it out May 05 21:44:18 should at least amuse me for a bit May 05 21:44:28 Tibfib: you mean verizon is making palm look bad. May 05 21:44:44 oh, I do? May 05 21:44:59 yea because palm doesnt push updates. May 05 21:45:04 palm gives them to carriers May 05 21:45:08 and carriers release them May 05 21:45:15 you think palm wants people to not run the latest versions? May 05 21:45:20 I am only referring to the comments. not the article itself May 05 21:45:22 all that talk was carriers faults. May 05 21:45:22 I know how updates work May 05 21:45:33 well still, its not palms fault. May 05 21:45:36 unless your Steve Jobs May 05 21:46:16 ryanwatkins: seems like MS is forcing the same thing. May 05 21:46:20 keith: that's not entirely correct. palm has made plenty of mistakes May 05 21:46:29 Tibfib: this particular issue is not palms fault. May 05 21:46:37 keith: yeah, I'll agree with that :) May 05 21:46:39 close but not quite. carriers can still refuse some upgrades for WP7 May 05 21:46:53 its OTA'd from MS servers tho May 05 21:46:57 so the carrier doesnt have control May 05 21:47:00 just like sidekick land was May 05 21:47:05 MSFT negotiated a better agreement, but not quite as good as the one apple has. May 05 21:47:13 granted, that was only 1 carrier May 05 21:47:21 but still, they did it before jobs :) May 05 21:48:14 they may not have physical control, but the contracts between the carriers and MSFT allow the carriers to 'opt out' of some limited amount of upgrades May 05 21:48:57 sidekick did all this 1st anyways May 05 21:49:32 which got bought by MSFT and slaughtered. May 05 21:49:48 they were dead by then anyways May 05 21:49:54 the Davlik VM architect for Google was from Danger. May 05 21:50:06 many danger folks are at google. May 05 21:50:44 i think that guy was abad hire anyways May 05 21:51:08 dalvik, and the system you had to work in sidekick, are so limiting May 05 21:51:11 HP just needs to put themselves into a better position to force the carries to not screw them over via updates. May 05 21:51:37 hahaha May 05 21:51:41 you mean, like blackberry? May 05 21:51:43 WIndows Mobile gets crap updates? May 05 21:51:50 oh wait, in bbland, that always happens. May 05 21:51:56 youre a funny guy, ryanwatkins May 05 21:52:00 like, say apple. May 05 21:52:05 Blackberrys get crap updates? May 05 21:52:05 apple doesnt count. May 05 21:52:09 steve clearly made updates a non-negotiable item. May 05 21:52:11 you really should stop comparing people to apple. May 05 21:52:12 My Maemo never got a crap update May 05 21:52:15 HP just needs to explain how not letting them release updates immediately is just going to piss off users and make them not buy the product, and that they've already got a good system for QA. May 05 21:52:20 lolcat: thats hilarious. May 05 21:52:26 ctbeiser: they dont care about that. May 05 21:52:34 ryanwatkins: a better comparison is android and blackberry than webos May 05 21:52:34 keith: It is? May 05 21:52:39 esp blackberry May 05 21:52:41 lolcat: yes, it is. May 05 21:52:47 Why? May 05 21:53:09 how many times did maemo switch entire architectures? May 05 21:53:12 so apple gets a free pass .. because? May 05 21:53:16 they're the best? May 05 21:53:17 oh we're gtk with gnome May 05 21:53:19 oh we're qt May 05 21:53:35 keith: If they don't care about selling the phone, then why should they go and bother with stocking it? May 05 21:53:35 ryanwatkins: because apple is special and has sold 150 milllion iphones in 3 years May 05 21:53:39 have anyone else done that? May 05 21:53:40 keith: But that wasn't from the carriers May 05 21:53:47 they clearly had that contract before they sold a single phone May 05 21:53:59 lolcat: i've installed maemo updates which broke functionality May 05 21:54:08 ryanwatkins: and how many years did it take it write that contract? May 05 21:54:19 keith: Still not form the carriers! May 05 21:54:25 how many years did danger try to get a favorable contract and fail? May 05 21:54:28 lolcat: so whats your point? May 05 21:54:29 point is that with zero sales, Jobs managed to force the carriers to take updates on his schedule. May 05 21:54:38 keith: maemo has had functionality that was broken out of the box. May 05 21:54:38 from 1 carrier. May 05 21:54:46 and a few overseas one, later. May 05 21:54:46 keith: Maemo isn't screwed over by the carriers, but by Nokia May 05 21:54:49 ctbeiser: yes, maemo is shit. May 05 21:54:53 1 carrier seemed to be enough though. May 05 21:54:57 No May 05 21:54:57 lolcat: because no carrier really supports maemo to matter. May 05 21:55:00 ctbeiser: indeed. May 05 21:55:05 Maemo is better than Android May 05 21:55:14 enough such that the second carrier came begging May 05 21:55:15 dogshit is better than android May 05 21:55:18 whats your point? May 05 21:55:19 I used an N900 for about a month…. sold it at 100% profit, and bought a pre+. May 05 21:55:30 ryanwatkins: if you believe rumors, their were no begging. verzion had the option 1st. May 05 21:55:45 they refuse to concede and lost (potentially billions) because of it. May 05 21:55:59 Billions? Zillions. May 05 21:55:59 they came begging after ATT got the first few yrs. May 05 21:56:07 thats not what the internet says May 05 21:56:09 I like the N900 May 05 21:56:11 do you have insider information? May 05 21:56:14 the n900 is garbage May 05 21:56:17 I can use it as a computer when I am elswhere May 05 21:56:19 and accepted whatever steve jobs wanted then too. May 05 21:56:32 if att didnt get the iphone they would be smaller than tmobile right now. May 05 21:56:37 no verizon app store, no special verizon apps, no upgrade limits. May 05 21:56:37 or sprint May 05 21:56:39 Is Webos locked down like android? May 05 21:56:47 lol May 05 21:57:01 I'm going to say no May 05 21:57:04 ryanwatkins: verizon had the option 1st, its fairly public knowledge. verizon refused. they went to att May 05 21:57:10 but I haven't messed with android much May 05 21:57:17 The N900 is great if you find yourself needing debian in your pocket, but that'saboutit. May 05 21:57:19 tmobile accept BUT refused to pay apple for customers. May 05 21:57:21 keith: yes, but thats not when i said they came begging. May 05 21:57:24 Does it have a linux kernel so I can install any linux program? May 05 21:57:29 webOS is not locked down at all. May 05 21:57:35 lolcat: you cant in android. May 05 21:57:39 lolcat: you can, moreso, in webos. May 05 21:57:39 updownupdown May 05 21:57:49 lolcat, PDK apps ARE linux apps May 05 21:57:49 you can compile code on webos even May 05 21:57:50 android has all sorts of lockdowns by carriers May 05 21:57:51 lolcat: you can compile shit on it May 05 21:57:57 keith: I can in Maemo May 05 21:57:58 when AT&T didnt re-up for exclusive, Verizon still swallowed all the terms Jobs wanted. May 05 21:58:06 lolcat: .. so? May 05 21:58:09 Just apt-get install from debian respitories May 05 21:58:11 maemo doesnt even exist anymore May 05 21:58:12 Android has busybox with root and a java vm, webOS has the PDK, Maemo is freaking debian root shell out of the box. May 05 21:58:20 youre comparing webos to android, then keep throwing in maemo May 05 21:58:22 maemo is dead. May 05 21:58:24 nokia killed it. May 05 21:58:28 give up, move on. May 05 21:58:33 keith: No, there is coming one last device May 05 21:58:34 balls deep May 05 21:58:38 still dead. May 05 21:58:46 Is there any WebOS devices out on the marked? May 05 21:58:52 balls deep. May 05 21:58:54 I hear they're doing open community development. May 05 21:59:08 for symbian. May 05 21:59:16 No, symbian is dead. May 05 21:59:26 And how is the filesystem organized? Is it memory card based like android? Or big memory + optional memorycard like N900? May 05 21:59:28 symbian is not technically dead. May 05 21:59:31 maemo is technically dead. May 05 21:59:38 Symbian has been dead for years May 05 21:59:40 maemo is moblin+maemo == meego May 05 21:59:46 symbian got bought out by nokia May 05 21:59:53 and theres more movement in symbian land than in maemo by far. May 05 22:00:30 but symbian folks still show up at conferences. May 05 22:00:35 dawm_: no May 05 22:00:37 you wont ever see a maemo person. May 05 22:00:52 I migth May 05 22:00:54 because maemo literally does not exist anymore. May 05 22:01:01 At the Mobile World Congress in February 2010, it was announced that the Maemo project would be merging with Moblin to create the MeeGo mobile software platform. May 05 22:01:02 It does exist! May 05 22:01:06 no, it doesnt. May 05 22:01:08 meego exists. May 05 22:01:08 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67905 May 05 22:01:11 * Tibfib whistles May 05 22:01:29 symbian is not killed off May 05 22:01:29 still no hardware tho May 05 22:01:34 meego exists about as much as duke nukem forever exists. May 05 22:01:35 its basically dead, for all intents and purposes May 05 22:01:44 ctbeiser: i've had several meego devices in my hand May 05 22:01:46 but sure, ok May 05 22:01:55 i should be getting another one next month in fact. May 05 22:02:20 hint: the moblin devices run meego. May 05 22:02:27 keith: I've used meego too, but that doesn't change that it's never going to be sold to a single consumer. May 05 22:02:31 * haeffb can't believe TaskAdder is still getting downloads May 05 22:02:42 I know, what a POS May 05 22:03:10 yeah, but it's free May 05 22:03:27 "..to support the hundreds of Hildon based Maemo applications, users have to install the Hildon library ported by the maemo.org community. " <- only Nokia May 05 22:03:29 ctbeiser: you can perdict the future? May 05 22:03:35 that crystal ball must be worth bank May 05 22:04:09 dont tell the hundreds of intel employees that work on meego that May 05 22:04:16 so any official word from HP/Palm on the download stats for paid apps? May 05 22:04:54 Any word? From HP/Palm? Who're you kidding? May 05 22:05:26 ctbeiser: nevermind the vehicles that will be running meego May 05 22:05:31 they dont exist either right? May 05 22:06:01 Meego != Maemo May 05 22:06:15 haeffb: afaik, no :/ May 05 22:06:30 lolcat: i didnt say maemo, maemo is dead. meego is not. May 05 22:06:35 < ctbeiser> keith: I've used meego too, but that doesn't change that it's never going to be sold to a single consumer. May 05 22:06:44 thats pretty outlandish claim he's made. May 05 22:07:29 but i guess its ok to point the finger at hp/palm for failing to communicate, but its ok to do it yourself May 05 22:10:06 I just want a phone with a keyboard, a browser, skype/msn/facebook chat integrated into a threaded chat in the same way as sms, 1gb ram, dual-core cpu, a fair gpu, at least 8gb internal memory, and the option to a bluetooth/usb keyboard. May 05 22:10:28 Why doesn't it exist?! :S May 05 22:12:06 and what are you doing to make this happen? May 05 22:12:28 Buying the closest thing I found over and over May 05 22:12:30 The N900 May 05 22:13:05 heh May 05 22:13:12 then why are you here? May 05 22:13:32 n900 is definitely nowhere near close to that May 05 22:14:00 because having a keyboard, browser and bluetooth i guess. May 05 22:14:07 I was hoping there where a phone with WebOS that had those features May 05 22:14:19 AFAIK, the Pre2 is closer than that. May 05 22:14:30 pre2 is closer than n900 May 05 22:14:34 because the n900 isnt there at all. May 05 22:14:36 Better CPU, more ram, better conversation threading... May 05 22:14:43 keith: Skype, msn, facebook chat works on N900. It has a keyboard, a browser, 32gb internal memory May 05 22:14:50 Pre2 has a keyboard? May 05 22:14:54 .... May 05 22:14:55 doesnt have a dual core cpu May 05 22:14:59 not threaded with sms May 05 22:15:05 doesnt have 1gb of ram May 05 22:15:08 doesnt have a fair gpu May 05 22:15:15 ..whatever that means May 05 22:15:20 but dude, nobody cares honestly May 05 22:15:22 use what you like. May 05 22:15:31 Only 256mb ram, vs the pre+'s 512. May 05 22:15:33 you obviously havent even taken 2 seconds to research webos. May 05 22:15:44 if you didnt even know pre2 has a keyboard. May 05 22:15:55 dudes, don't feed the trolls :) May 05 22:16:02 madnificent: good point. May 05 22:16:05 his name is 'lolcat' May 05 22:16:11 i shoulda assumed. May 05 22:16:26 (plus, being a maemo fan right there is a strong indication of being a troll) May 05 22:16:33 Laugh out loud small mammal with fuzz and tail. May 05 22:17:03 can haz cheezburger? May 05 22:17:12 That actually looks pretty decent May 05 22:17:22 ben hurr is such an asshole May 05 22:17:23 I didn't even know they made pre phones May 05 22:17:28 or webos phones May 05 22:17:36 taking 4chan and starting a business around their images May 05 22:17:42 i wish i did it first :( May 05 22:20:52 Hi there, new palm pre 2 carrier unlocked, running 2.1.0, Carrier says "ROW". I'm unable to access any paid apps, nor am i able to access "preferences and accounts" to add a credit card. May 05 22:21:08 am i missing something in order to gain access to this functionality May 05 22:24:09 are you in a supported country? May 05 22:24:27 canada, I guess May 05 22:24:51 isn't there some weirdness with canada that you can only get app catalog access from certain carriers? May 05 22:27:46 Canada yes May 05 22:27:58 Phone was purchased directly unlocked May 05 22:28:02 currently with SaskTel May 05 22:28:49 You might have to wait until some other Canadian chatter pipes up, because I don't know :) May 05 22:29:09 the free app catalog is visable tho strangely. I would have expected all or nothing May 05 22:29:17 apprecieate the time sugardave May 05 22:29:19 :) May 05 22:29:36 ah, I bet it is what I said, your carrier can't access the catalog and since you activated, you're kind of screwed May 05 22:29:42 the PAID part May 05 22:29:52 oh lovely. May 05 22:31:49 seems strange to me HP would sell an unlocked device knowing there are restrictions in place in that regard no? May 05 22:32:17 indeed, there are many strange things with device availability versus catalog availability :/ May 05 22:34:20 uncharted waters tho i think as the carrier does not sell anything palm here. May 05 22:34:26 so you may be right. May 05 22:35:34 all is not lost, though...have you heard of Preware? May 05 22:36:11 wheatie: if not, here you go: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware May 05 22:38:58 looking. May 05 22:39:00 thank you May 05 23:27:37 http://www.southendbrewery.com/ May 05 23:33:40 haeffb: looks fun, are you there now? May 05 23:34:26 no, about five years ago May 05 23:34:51 just a tip for anyone who will be in downtown Charleston. Ever. May 05 23:35:17 got it May 05 23:35:27 when are they closing down your office? May 05 23:37:59 eh...don't really know yet. Implementation complete by end of 2012 May 05 23:38:08 hey May 05 23:38:19 But I'll likely have a new location/position within three months May 05 23:41:42 that's good news May 05 23:43:04 well...I'll "hopefully" have a new location/position within three months May 05 23:43:16 because if I don't...bad news. May 05 23:43:34 :/ May 05 23:43:57 have you seen these photos of dead guys in OBL's hideaway? May 05 23:44:06 no May 05 23:46:53 * PatrickC is loving Ubuntu!! May 05 23:47:58 PatrickC: welcome to the party May 05 23:48:15 WUBI FTW! May 05 23:48:55 11.04? May 05 23:49:01 yeah May 05 23:49:14 I just hope my dad lets me keep the PC a dual-boot May 05 23:49:36 and I got Novaterm working May 05 23:50:26 best text editor for Ubuntu? May 05 23:50:38 vim May 05 23:50:42 ok May 05 23:50:44 ill look it up May 05 23:50:51 for what? May 05 23:51:10 coding May 05 23:51:34 GVim Text Editor? May 05 23:51:48 or VI IMproved - enhanced vi editor May 05 23:51:56 either or .. grab them both May 05 23:52:22 ok May 05 23:52:24 * dohtem waits for the emacs people to chime in May 05 23:52:34 i tried that May 05 23:52:38 but it was too complicated :P May 05 23:52:46 i want something straight forward lol May 05 23:52:47 lol May 05 23:52:59 yeah, gvim is great May 05 23:53:15 * PatrickC wants his Notepad++ back :'( May 05 23:54:45 im downloading gvim and vi improved May 05 23:54:48 and Java Runtime May 05 23:57:31 whats Unity? May 05 23:58:07 http://tinyurl.com/m5ffbf May 05 23:58:29 win May 05 23:58:42 lol May 05 23:58:48 i was talking about for Ubuntu May 05 23:58:50 hahaha May 05 23:58:53 but i get the point :P May 05 23:59:00 add unbuntu into the search term May 06 00:00:45 fudge. stupid scope May 06 00:00:53 just spent an hour on an issue May 06 00:01:08 n00b May 06 00:01:18 haha this is a much more complicated scope issue May 06 00:01:26 eh, maybe not May 06 00:01:28 n00b. May 06 00:02:11 cool.. Ubuntu sees all my USB devices as they were on Windows May 06 00:02:14 hallelujah May 06 00:02:29 woooooooooot May 06 00:02:39 finally have backup space again! May 06 00:02:59 now.. if only it would uninstall emacs... May 06 00:04:20 PatrickC: sudo apt-get remove emacs May 06 00:06:19 is that weird new bar on the left Unity? lol May 06 00:07:35 and I don't have my "Places, System, etc." buttons across the top of the screen May 06 00:08:03 It's part of Unity, but not everything May 06 00:08:20 awesome May 06 00:08:32 now I have to get used to where thing are now :P May 06 00:18:41 Got a quick question.. Anyone know why the audio in a streaming app would work well on a Pre but the audio won't work at all on a Pixi? May 06 00:19:05 weird May 06 00:19:15 i have no clue May 06 00:19:19 what app? May 06 00:20:07 Yeah :/ in hgr live, I requested the pixi one be pulled cause it didn't work at all on it. May 06 00:20:24 Sorry it's HGR Live May 06 00:20:51 Only difference on the pre package and pixi is a little background difference in the css file May 06 00:33:33 vim is ok.. but it will take some time to learn May 06 00:57:25 cwayne: i got ubuntu dualbooted :) May 06 00:57:58 PatrickC wooo May 06 00:58:08 yeah! May 06 00:58:19 now, i need to find a good replacement for Notepad++ May 06 00:58:26 how is Kate? May 06 00:58:44 * halfhalo has stories about kate... May 06 01:05:13 * SineOt downloads HD PONY :U May 06 01:05:33 They really should just renamed Oxygen to the Law and Order Network. May 06 01:05:42 lol May 06 01:07:58 duhn duuuuuuhn May 06 01:09:29 man sometimes the people they have play dead people are really not good at it May 06 01:09:42 giiirllll I can see you breaaaaathin' May 06 01:11:02 zombie May 06 01:11:30 ok.. May 06 01:12:03 how do i access novacom in ubuntu? May 06 01:12:15 i know there was a cmd i ran in windows to open it May 06 01:14:29 novaterm ? May 06 01:15:04 yeah May 06 02:13:36 lol 4.5" android...I knew they were still headed in that direction...I like to see one next to a veer May 06 02:21:50 Loudergood: hahaha **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 06 02:59:57 2011