**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 06 02:59:57 2011
May 06 03:01:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 walks in
May 06 03:05:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> so.. new facebook app..
May 06 03:06:17 <rwhitby> will be interesting to see if it's in mojo or enyo.  I suspect the latter.
May 06 03:06:26 <rwhitby> hence it won't be available for any existing devices.
May 06 03:09:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> how do you know it won't be available for existing devices? or is that speculation?
May 06 03:10:25 * PatrickC_Pre2 just watched WOR unbox the Veer.. its so tiny! lol
May 06 03:10:38 <Loudergood> I'm presuming he means so called "legacy" devices
May 06 03:11:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, HP could roll out 1.5.0 and include Enyo
May 06 03:11:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ that isn't likely though :/
May 06 03:24:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> webOS 2.1.2??
May 06 03:25:27 <rwhitby> Loudergood: I mean existing devices.  Veer is not yet released.
May 06 03:25:33 <rwhitby> No existing device can run Enyo at this time.
May 06 03:26:06 <rwhitby> And Enyo for Pre 2 has the same status as the promise of 2.0 for Pre-
May 06 03:26:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> it would be dumb not to give the pre2 enyo, wouldn't it?
May 06 03:27:50 <rwhitby> depends how quickly the Pre 2 becomes EOL
May 06 03:28:12 <rwhitby> since not many are sold, and no carriers are pushing for updates, there's a question of how much resource would be put towards it
May 06 03:29:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I hope they do something with the Pre2
May 06 03:35:05 <rwhitby> the web pages says they will, so it's up to us to make sure they hold to that
May 06 03:37:13 * rwhitby bbl
May 06 03:40:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
May 06 04:22:44 <Xuzz> nice, my app was approved
May 06 04:22:48 <Xuzz> and i didn't even notice
May 06 04:24:50 <oil> congrats
May 06 06:10:02 <hotdp> Good morning
May 06 06:10:31 <dkirker> good morning hotdp
May 06 06:13:00 <SineOt> hey hey
May 06 06:27:08 <dkirker> hi SineOt!
May 06 06:27:22 <SineOt> hey dkirker
May 06 06:27:25 <SineOt> sup?
May 06 06:28:00 <dkirker> who was it that was suggesting some alternate method for showing open cards instead of switching to the home screen?
May 06 06:38:16 <dkirker> I'm thinking about doing some cool things with topsites and tabs :)
May 06 06:39:00 <SineOt> cool beans~
May 06 06:39:13 <SineOt> OSX style top sites?
May 06 06:40:38 <dkirker> ya
May 06 06:50:16 <dkirker> hi swisstomcat!
May 06 06:50:20 <swisstomcat> morning
May 06 06:50:23 <swisstomcat> hey dkirker
May 06 07:00:03 <oil> oh, you guys can talk about your hp/palm secrets with each other now xD
May 06 07:07:04 <swisstomcat> harhar
May 06 07:07:07 <swisstomcat> what secrets?
May 06 07:07:40 <SineOt> THE secrets
May 06 07:08:01 <SineOt> like how the Veer has a secret third model in addition to the black and white models
May 06 07:08:06 <SineOt> the RAINBOW model
May 06 07:15:00 <Naranek> that's just gay ;)
May 06 07:15:21 <SineOt> pft, like there's something wrong with that?
May 06 07:15:46 <Naranek> nope, nothing at all :D
May 06 07:15:54 <Naranek> just sayin'
May 06 07:16:24 <dkirker> hmmm, I am a big fan of the black and white veers, but I would probably consider a rainbow one too
May 06 07:17:05 <SineOt> Yeah, the white looks nice.
May 06 07:17:22 <SineOt> I'd love more color options though. Green, blue, red. Stuff like that.
May 06 07:17:41 <dwc-> bondi blue? tangerine?
May 06 07:17:52 <SineOt> And hey, fact is? Rainbow would be 20% cooler.
May 06 07:21:23 <dkirker> Wow, I just saw the new Google Chrome ads. Very well done.
May 06 07:22:13 <hotdp> ads well done? :s
May 06 07:23:08 <dkirker> yeah, they are amazing
May 06 07:23:15 <keith> sup dkirker
May 06 07:23:19 <dkirker> Go watch them! http://www.youtube.com/user/googlechrome
May 06 07:23:23 <dkirker> hi keith
May 06 07:23:29 <keith> i hear youre going to buy a mac mini!
May 06 07:23:40 <dkirker> been thinking about it for a while
May 06 07:23:45 <keith> :P
May 06 07:23:47 <dkirker> the HDMI is a recent addition, no?
May 06 07:23:58 <dkirker> when I started looking it did not have HDMI, IIRC.
May 06 07:24:05 <keith> if it has an actual port on it now, sure
May 06 07:24:12 <SineOt> Yeah. But they've had Display Port for a while, so you can do HDMI over that.
May 06 07:24:13 <keith> but i've ran hdmi on my mac mini since 2008.
May 06 07:24:24 <dkirker> ah, ok
May 06 07:24:26 <keith> but it wasnt until mid 2009 when you could run audio over hdmi.
May 06 07:24:31 <SineOt> The new ones are nice though.
May 06 07:24:33 <keith> with the new form factor change.
May 06 07:24:37 <SineOt> Easy to get to the Memory, etc.
May 06 07:24:42 <dkirker> right
May 06 07:24:45 <keith> its was always pretty ok
May 06 07:24:50 <keith> esp compared to say, atv1
May 06 07:24:55 <SineOt> Not that it was too hard to do before hand.
May 06 07:24:59 <SineOt> Just that it's easier now
May 06 07:25:16 <keith> dkirker: but if your goal is only xbmc, atv2 is a pretty good $100 solution.
May 06 07:25:28 <keith> its about 60% as good as a mac mini, and getting closer everyday
May 06 07:25:34 <keith> it will only ever be 3/4th as good
May 06 07:25:35 <dkirker> hmm
May 06 07:25:41 <dkirker> yeah, I have been debating about the apple tv
May 06 07:25:45 <keith> if your goal is solely HT media
May 06 07:25:51 <dkirker> I think I might just go with a mini, though
May 06 07:25:53 <SineOt> The ATV is cool
May 06 07:26:01 <dkirker> the thing is TINY
May 06 07:26:02 <keith> im about to triple boot my mini
May 06 07:26:08 <SineOt> Yeah
May 06 07:26:14 <keith> so i can do xbmc testing on all platforms from one device.
May 06 07:26:26 <SineOt> for media streaming the Boxee Box is pretty nice :p
May 06 07:26:32 <keith> no, its not.
May 06 07:26:34 <keith> i have one.
May 06 07:26:41 <keith> its pretty much a joke of a product.
May 06 07:26:50 <hotdp> lol know i understand dkirker. Thought it was ads IN chrome for crap.
May 06 07:27:26 <dkirker> hotdp: hehe, not Opera of old. :)
May 06 07:27:45 <keith> if you dont go atv2/mini
May 06 07:27:47 <SineOt> hah, I use mine all the time!
May 06 07:27:50 <keith> the revo or the zotacs are good
May 06 07:27:55 <SineOt> using it right now even
May 06 07:28:11 <keith> SineOt: its slow as shit. it locks up. audio likes to 'disappear' and require rebooting
May 06 07:28:17 <keith> xbmc-atv2 is far better/more streamlined
May 06 07:28:32 <SineOt> keith: sounds more like our Motorola cable box than the Boxee Box
May 06 07:28:33 <keith> but i'm biased, i'm the dude who does the unofficial builds for xbmc-ios :)
May 06 07:28:35 <dkirker> keith: did not know about BlueRay on Mac/Linux. Very unfortunate.
May 06 07:28:51 <keith> SineOt: did you ever use xbmc on anything?
May 06 07:28:56 <keith> if so, you'd know how awful boxee box is.
May 06 07:29:01 <keith> esp if you have alot of media
May 06 07:29:10 <keith> but even when i only import say, 100gb of media into tv shows
May 06 07:29:17 <keith> it still takes almost a minute for tv shows to show up.
May 06 07:29:20 <SineOt> yeah, used to use it on an htpc of sorts i had
May 06 07:29:22 <dkirker> keith: I would have rather the Apple (intern) that I was talking to give me those technical reasons other than implying that the products made by the company I work for are crap...
May 06 07:29:36 <keith> dkirker: yup, just like dvds were before decss.
May 06 07:29:42 <keith> the products made by the company you work for are crap.
May 06 07:29:53 <keith> but do you really count any of the pcs them 'making'?
May 06 07:29:56 <keith> you know the truth dont you?
May 06 07:30:01 <keith> theres 7 laptop manufs in the world.
May 06 07:30:14 <keith> all hp does is do a bid out and find the lowest bidder
May 06 07:30:31 <keith> typically asusalpha (formerly ecs) or winstron or compal tend to build 90% of hp laptops
May 06 07:30:55 <keith> for their hardware it varies
May 06 07:30:58 <keith> i've seen flextronics hw
May 06 07:31:07 <keith> i've seen the same ODM that apple uses (forget the name)
May 06 07:31:23 <keith> i mean like electronic items that arent laptops/desktops/etc
May 06 07:31:24 <SineOt> foxconn
May 06 07:31:29 <dkirker> I'm not going to complain about my EliteBook. It's been pretty beefy.
May 06 07:32:15 <keith> but with a business model like that
May 06 07:32:23 <keith> the incentive (for the odms, not hp) is to make it cheaper always
May 06 07:32:30 <keith> how much support have you done on hp laptops?
May 06 07:32:37 <keith> i bought 30 once, same series, same model number
May 06 07:32:44 <keith> guess how many variants of images i needed for all 30 to work?
May 06 07:32:48 <keith> 8 or 9.
May 06 07:32:57 <dkirker> no idea. I am a consumer and developer.
May 06 07:32:58 <keith> because thats how much driver flunctional their is
May 06 07:33:12 <keith> well talk to any it staff and ask them about hp
May 06 07:33:17 <keith> they will run away as fast as they can.
May 06 07:33:39 <keith> dell and ibm are better because they dont do bids for their hardware. they do inhouse design and then ask people to bid *their exact design*
May 06 07:33:50 <keith> so you cant, say, change the network card to something cheaper without asking.
May 06 07:33:52 <dkirker> hmm, prior company I worked at was getting HP to bid on a project... never mind
May 06 07:33:55 <keith> or the sound card.
May 06 07:34:26 <keith> so for example, i have a 5 yo dell d620 sitting here from work, say the clip that holds the hinges in place breaks.
May 06 07:34:30 <dkirker> It is really too late for me to get into a debate about something I can't equally debate about. I'm behind in work anyway.
May 06 07:34:39 <keith> on a dell, i download the tech manual (openly, for free) and find the exact part number
May 06 07:34:45 <keith> ibm, its harder, but still managable
May 06 07:34:49 <keith> hp? toshiba? anyone else?
May 06 07:34:50 <keith> hah.
May 06 07:35:01 <swisstomcat> speaking of elitebooks, which one did you get, dkirker?
May 06 07:35:05 <keith> its garbage, throw it away. youre lucky if you can find a broken one and steal the parts out of.
May 06 07:35:31 <dkirker> swisstomcat: A nice one! B-)
May 06 07:35:38 <keith> very little hp puts their name on is made in an hp factory.
May 06 07:35:39 <swisstomcat> 8440p?
May 06 07:35:49 <dkirker> swisstomcat: I think a 70
May 06 07:36:08 <dkirker> 740
May 06 07:36:11 <keith> which is why, the products made by the company you work for are crap.
May 06 07:36:26 <keith> but its awesome hp is finally not using TN panels in their shit
May 06 07:36:35 <keith> and using IPS like any good laptop maker
May 06 07:36:43 <keith> (aka lenovo and apple only)
May 06 07:36:48 <keith> cuz tn panels are such garbage
May 06 07:36:59 <dkirker> this is probably a discussion best had in #general-computing
May 06 07:38:14 <keith> looks like most of the elitebooks are made by winstron
May 06 07:38:16 <keith> great company.
May 06 07:38:43 <keith> oh or inventec
May 06 07:38:47 <keith> less cool, but decent
May 06 07:38:48 <keith> http://forum.notebookreview.com/off-topic/575979-oem-odm-laptop-names-funny-thing-about-marketing.html
May 06 08:47:51 <b0bben> hey all
May 06 08:48:17 <hotdp> hi b0bben
May 06 08:48:38 <b0bben> hey hotdp
May 06 08:48:40 <b0bben> how's life
May 06 08:49:21 <b0bben> can some rubber-duck me here
May 06 08:49:22 <b0bben> http://pastebin.com/c888yvJq
May 06 08:49:47 <b0bben> onSuccess gets called but the event only has "returnValue=true" instead of lat,lon etc.
May 06 08:49:59 <b0bben> this is on 2.1
May 06 08:50:16 <b0bben> works fine on 1.4.5
May 06 08:50:18 <swisstomcat> hey
May 06 08:50:37 <b0bben> hey swisstomcat
May 06 09:06:20 <KungPhoo> hi. Does glGetFloatv(GL_PROJECTION_MATRIX ) not work in the Pre?
May 06 09:29:12 <hotdp> -webkit-transition-property is awsome
May 06 10:12:20 <b0bben> hotdp: -webkit-animation is also awesome...too bad it broke in 2.1 :(
May 06 10:12:35 <b0bben> is there any real changelog between 1.4.5->2.1
May 06 10:18:36 <b0bben> my awesome blue pulsating dot in maps doesn't pulsate anymore on 2.1
May 06 10:18:37 <b0bben> http://webos101.com/IntegrateGoogleMapsWithCurrentLocation
May 06 10:18:46 <b0bben> damn it
May 06 10:26:26 <Naranek> nothing ruins your day quite like a flatlined pulsating dot :/
May 06 10:30:06 <b0bben> yeah, def
May 06 11:44:24 <kaans> Hi, I want to instantiate lists in a list, i.e. whenever I click on a list item, a sub-list opens underneath that item (like in the call view, you can see the phone numbers and recent (missed) calls when you click on an entry in the list). How do I go about it? Is there a tutorial?
May 06 11:46:44 <kaans> I tried putting <div x-mojo-element="List" name="listName"></div> in the item template, but it gives me an error: error: Error: Caught exception in List widget 'listName' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined, even if I don't set it up using setupWidget(...)
May 06 11:55:11 <swisstomcat> kaans: that's probably done with a drawer
May 06 11:57:11 <kaans> ok i'll give that a try thanks
May 06 11:57:39 <kaans> do you know any tutorials?
May 06 11:57:44 <swisstomcat> let me check
May 06 11:58:04 <swisstomcat> http://webos101.com/Pseudo-Drawers_In_A_List
May 06 11:58:24 <hotdp> webos101 is your friend :)
May 06 12:00:00 <kaans> thanks that looks good, didn't know about webos101 until now! But looks like it will be a good friend of mine in the future :)
May 06 12:00:12 <swisstomcat> yes, it's a great ressource
May 06 12:00:45 <hotdp> :)
May 06 12:01:31 <jettero> force lag say NW in T-2d1h59m58s
May 06 13:01:31 <jettero> force lag say NW in T-2d59m59s
May 06 13:29:35 <PatrickC_Sleepin> morning
May 06 13:39:16 <hotdp> hhi PatrickC
May 06 13:44:03 <PatrickC_Sleepin> hey hotdp
May 06 13:51:20 <K4llle> hello! I have a big problem... Can somebody tell me how I can move a div in my app at runtime?
May 06 13:54:56 <K4llle> hello! I have a big problem... Can somebody tell me how I can move a div in my app at runtime?
May 06 14:00:28 <K4llle> hello! I have a big problem... Can somebody tell me how I can move a div in my app at runtime?
May 06 14:07:18 <swisstomcat> hi k4llle
May 06 14:12:44 <PatrickC_Sleepin> hey k4llle
May 06 14:22:25 <prenez> where's there a list of fonts available on webOS
May 06 14:25:58 <PatrickC_Sleepin> not sure
May 06 15:01:32 <jettero> force lag say NW in T-1d22h59m59s
May 06 15:10:58 <Sharma> Hi
May 06 15:11:13 <Sharma> I need help with updating progress BAr
May 06 15:13:20 <sugardave> change the model, then call modelChanged(theModel)...that should do it :)
May 06 15:55:48 <sugardave> Codhisattva: you keep making Steely Dan pop into my head
May 06 15:59:26 <Codhisattva> sugardave: take me by the hand
May 06 16:00:25 <sugardave> heh
May 06 16:01:32 <jettero> force lag say NW in T-1d21h59m58s
May 06 16:01:45 * NuttyBunny shows his Pre 2 at Codhisattva, asking: "T7G?" :D
May 06 16:02:09 <Codhisattva> Pre2 is in the mail. We'll see how it works :)
May 06 16:03:12 * NuttyBunny raises his hand for beta testing ;)
May 06 16:03:32 <sugardave> oh me, too!
May 06 16:03:35 <sugardave> ME ME ME
May 06 16:04:04 <Codhisattva> you'll be the first in line :)
May 06 16:04:11 <sugardave> woohoo!
May 06 16:04:26 <NuttyBunny> hahaha.. yeeeah!
May 06 16:05:18 * NuttyBunny is determined to find TODAY the glitch that makes the messaging plugins crash.... I have 13 hours ;)
May 06 16:05:43 * Codhisattva starts the stop watch
May 06 16:34:39 <sugardave> morning chuqui
May 06 16:36:38 <chuqui> morning!
May 06 16:37:06 <sugardave> chuqui: are you going to have a white or black Veer?
May 06 16:37:23 <NuttyBunny> He will get the secret blue or red one ;)
May 06 16:37:32 <sugardave> Palm Orange
May 06 16:37:36 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 06 16:37:44 <NuttyBunny> with "palm" in the back ;)
May 06 16:38:06 * sugardave would love a burnt orange TouchPad.
May 06 16:40:01 <chuqui> I was thinking white, just to be different.
May 06 16:40:19 <chuqui> but I keep thinking I might want to do custom skins.
May 06 16:40:35 <sugardave> that is what I thought when I got a white PS3 controller...but it isn't very white anymore :)
May 06 16:41:15 <sugardave> chuqui: btw, in case you haven't heard, I will be joing the Palm family! :)
May 06 16:41:22 <sugardave> s/joing/joining/
May 06 16:41:34 <chuqui> sugardave:  yeah, I heard. congrats!
May 06 16:41:42 <sugardave> thanks!  can't wait
May 06 16:41:53 * Loudergood is starting to feel like he's outnumbered by HP employees in here ;)
May 06 16:42:00 <sugardave> heh
May 06 17:01:32 <jettero> force lag say NW in T-1d20h59m59s
May 06 17:08:06 <NuttyBunny> somebody kill me please... I just ... argh... I just deleted about 500mb of downloaded files, mmm... this will slow me down a couple of hours... damn
May 06 17:08:43 <avarus> hi
May 06 17:08:51 <hotdp> eh how slow is your connection ?
May 06 17:09:23 <NuttyBunny> 4Mbit, but some of the files will only download at 500kbps :S
May 06 17:10:27 <Loudergood> ouch
May 06 17:12:29 <Loudergood> I did some large image uploading earlier at work it was amazing...we just upgraded to 40/40
May 06 17:13:00 <avarus> sometimes my upload could be faster...I'm on 20/1!!
May 06 17:13:15 <avarus> 20/2 sorry
May 06 17:17:43 <ryanwatkins> http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2011/03/29/how-fast-is-the-internet-at-google-mind-blowing/
May 06 17:21:22 * halfhalo is happy with 15/1 that really runs around 25/1
May 06 17:21:25 <dohtem> Good God! 3ms ping
May 06 17:22:52 <halfhalo> oh my goooooddddd this file transfer is taking forever
May 06 17:23:51 <ryanwatkins> their office in nyc is no slouch either - the building the bought is a major data center
May 06 17:23:52 <ryanwatkins> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/12/03/wsj-google-has-bought-111-8th-avenue/
May 06 17:24:00 <halfhalo> 250GB over usb _sucks_
May 06 17:24:07 <avarus> oh ja
May 06 17:24:24 <avarus> usb1.1 would be fun :P
May 06 17:24:51 <halfhalo> no, no it would not
May 06 17:25:38 <halfhalo> at this point I'm just copying everything over to a scratch partition and then divvying it up from there since this is taking forever
May 06 17:26:33 <halfhalo> since the partition is part of a raid5 set
May 06 17:27:10 <ryanwatkins> have 50/5 Mbps at home, but its Time Warner so its always spotty and I swear they do traffic shaping for torrent traffic.
May 06 17:27:50 <halfhalo> I have TW as well, and have no traffic shaping, which is nice
May 06 17:28:10 <avarus> torrent is expensive here :P
May 06 17:28:18 <avarus> the lawyers fuck you really hard here
May 06 17:28:39 <ryanwatkins> every time I ramp up on a big torrent my net connection goes flakey and slows down after a couple min.  annoying.
May 06 17:28:50 <ryanwatkins> Will ditch them for FiOS as soon as I get the chance.
May 06 17:29:06 <avarus> perhaps you give too much upload
May 06 17:29:11 <halfhalo> fios ain't coming to where I live
May 06 17:29:13 <halfhalo> nor dsl
May 06 17:29:17 <halfhalo> so its cable or dial up
May 06 17:29:17 <avarus> you need some of your upload for download
May 06 17:29:24 <ryanwatkins> no limit both at about 90% of my max to avoid that.
May 06 17:29:28 <avarus> ok
May 06 17:29:39 <halfhalo> and I usually leave my torrents running at 150KB/s upload around the clock
May 06 17:29:47 <halfhalo> doesn't impact anything else on my systems
May 06 17:29:59 <halfhalo> except the dvr sometimes, but screw that
May 06 17:30:01 <ryanwatkins> FiOS *is* in my neightborhood, but the downstairs tenant didnt want to give Verizon access to teh pole in teh backyard.
May 06 17:30:17 <keith> wow
May 06 17:30:19 <keith> i would kill.
May 06 17:30:29 <ryanwatkins> ya, no kidding. was close.
May 06 17:30:48 <halfhalo> so, I have 400GB of unused disk space I need to do something with
May 06 17:31:07 <summatusmentis> send it to me
May 06 17:31:30 <dohtem> halfhalo: seed *nix torrents
May 06 17:31:49 <avarus> I have 5GB left on my drive :(
May 06 17:31:58 <halfhalo> this computer isn't on alot, so no torrents on it
May 06 17:32:24 <ryanwatkins> tried to call verizon to schedule them to come back, but try and find the right person to actually do that was an exercise in madness.
May 06 17:34:18 <halfhalo> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/capturetll.png/
May 06 17:34:56 <avarus> reddit is in "emergency read-only mode" right now.
May 06 17:35:02 <avarus> fuuuck it :(
May 06 17:35:05 <dohtem> again?
May 06 17:35:12 <dohtem> I guess I actually have to work today
May 06 17:35:18 <avarus> hehe
May 06 17:35:32 <halfhalo> soooo much space I don't know what to do with it
May 06 17:35:44 <avarus> just leave it
May 06 17:35:46 <avarus> doesn't hurt
May 06 17:35:53 <halfhalo> it hurts me on the inside
May 06 17:36:16 <avarus> owning an ipad or iphone hurts more
May 06 17:36:19 <avarus> just believe me
May 06 17:36:24 <halfhalo> I have an ipad
May 06 17:36:33 <halfhalo> and somewhere an iphone I think
May 06 17:37:18 <avarus> when I bought the ipad I did that to easily browse the web after work and perhaps chat with friends
May 06 17:37:26 <halfhalo> heh, copying a 250GB disk image from a usb drive on the mini to the desktop
May 06 17:37:26 <avarus> now I always play stupid games on it :P
May 06 17:37:38 <halfhalo> 4 hours left....
May 06 17:37:41 <halfhalo> oh, ipad is used for web, irc, hulu, and netflix only
May 06 17:38:31 <halfhalo> oh... hmmm... compressed partition for system images.... interesting,,,
May 06 17:38:52 <avarus> irc?
May 06 17:38:54 <avarus> what client?
May 06 17:39:00 <halfhalo> colloquy
May 06 17:39:05 <avarus> I used linkinus, sucks, then colloquy
May 06 17:39:15 <avarus> coll* is good but it quits after 10mins when I leave it idle
May 06 17:39:21 <avarus> that simply sucks
May 06 17:39:25 <halfhalo> they all do, due to apple
May 06 17:39:29 <avarus> ya, I know
May 06 17:39:48 <halfhalo> but I have a bouncer, so not a big deal
May 06 17:40:04 <avarus> lol a bouncer :P
May 06 17:44:44 <jettero> force lag say NW in T-1d20h16m48s
May 06 17:45:00 <halfhalo> ?
May 06 17:46:36 <LoneStar99> bueno dias
May 06 17:46:42 <halfhalo> hola
May 06 17:46:57 <NuttyBunny> it's "buenos dias" :)
May 06 17:47:03 <NuttyBunny> and buenos dias
May 06 17:47:09 <jettero> haha
May 06 17:47:15 <jettero> so I've been doing that here for like a day
May 06 17:47:17 <jettero> sorry about that
May 06 17:47:35 <LoneStar99> nice
May 06 17:47:38 <halfhalo> ?
May 06 17:47:53 <LoneStar99> stocked about the Veer out the 15th
May 06 17:48:07 <halfhalo> its a really nice device
May 06 17:48:36 <LoneStar99> sorry --> stoked not Stocked
May 06 17:48:40 <LoneStar99> lol
May 06 17:48:42 <Tibfib> heh
May 06 17:49:04 <NuttyBunny> hehehe...
May 06 17:50:55 <avarus> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48777367@N03/5685812126 :P
May 06 17:59:57 <hotdp> hehe
May 06 18:17:05 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp
May 06 18:17:59 <hotdp> yo LoneStar99
May 06 18:35:22 <Tibfib> stupid github
May 06 18:49:25 <Popple3> Hey guys
May 06 18:49:35 <Popple3> how is everyone this fine evening?
May 06 18:54:02 <whoolio> do the new download reports work for anyone else?
May 06 18:54:37 <whoolio> mine work on a few apps, but changing the month doesn't work
May 06 18:54:42 <whoolio> most it doesn't work at all
May 06 18:57:06 <LoneStar99> can you all access http://bobc.in
May 06 18:57:34 <whoolio> i did
May 06 18:58:23 <LoneStar99> weird, my laptop can access the site, but my pre on the same wifi can not....
May 06 18:58:40 <LoneStar99> @ a starbucks btw
May 06 18:59:42 <LoneStar99> any ideas what can be wrong?
May 06 19:00:32 <SineOt> did you agree to the starbucks landing page/captive portal page on your Pre?
May 06 19:00:37 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 06 19:00:43 <LoneStar99> i can access google and shite
May 06 19:01:12 <LoneStar99> and yahoo
May 06 19:01:32 <SineOt> weird
May 06 19:01:45 <SineOt> all I can guess is to try turning wifi off and then back on?
May 06 19:01:59 <LoneStar99> yeah very weird
May 06 19:02:09 <SineOt> Starbucks filters but it's really, REALLY lax so I doubt it's catching on something like that, and if your laptop can get it then it's probably not a filter problem
May 06 19:02:43 <SineOt> Although what it might be is an SSID collision issue because bleh :B sometimes you've got 3 or 4 "attwifi" in one location
May 06 19:03:42 <Loudergood> my college used to have a screwy wifi system that did some kind of gateway redirect that completely did not work with any linux machine I brought in
May 06 19:04:21 <LoneStar99> hmm... yeah very weird
May 06 19:04:30 <SineOt> yeah, but I know the Starbucks ATT captive portal works fine on 2.1/1.4.5
May 06 19:04:50 <LoneStar99> weird works now,
May 06 19:04:52 <LoneStar99> lol
May 06 19:05:10 <LoneStar99> had restarted pre and nothing, but turned wifi on and off and works
May 06 19:05:15 <SineOt> I've had issues where the wifi software tries to do like, a graceful handoff thinking that "hey same SSID they must be the same network" or something but trips up on the fact that each attwifi network has a different captive portal
May 06 19:06:32 <LoneStar99> SineOt: there was probably some sort of collision here for abit
May 06 19:07:48 <SineOt> yeah. It gets WAY bad at this one Starbucks near campus
May 06 19:07:58 <SineOt> because there's 3 different locations with attwifi
May 06 19:08:22 <SineOt> one in the Starbucks, one next door, and then one upstairs from the starbucks :V
May 06 19:09:18 <LoneStar99> SineOt: LOL starbucks wifi/ data collisions
May 06 19:09:42 <oil> awesome: http://www.pica-pic.com/
May 06 19:11:17 <hotdp> AWSOME!
May 06 19:11:20 <hotdp> omg
May 06 19:11:23 <hotdp> so much good stuff
May 06 19:11:27 <oil> yeah
May 06 19:11:29 <oil> haha
May 06 19:11:40 <Tibfib> oil: that's super impressive
May 06 19:11:52 <hotdp> but flash :S
May 06 19:12:52 <hotdp> fishing boy was my first :D
May 06 19:13:01 <hotdp> super hardware quility, still works
May 06 19:14:22 <halfhalo> ...
May 06 19:15:51 <halfhalo> JACKPOT
May 06 19:15:53 <halfhalo> JIMMY BUFFET
May 06 19:16:48 * halfhalo has issues
May 06 19:17:07 <Tibfib> you don't have to tell us, we know
May 06 19:18:01 <halfhalo> not those issues, more like "there are three keyboards on my desk and I don't know what they go to"
May 06 19:18:18 * Tibfib coughs
May 06 19:18:21 <Tibfib> ahem, ignore that then
May 06 19:18:48 <halfhalo> :D
May 06 19:19:34 <LoneStar99> anyone ever use titanium framework for apps?
May 06 19:19:51 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: on webOS? or desktop?
May 06 19:20:08 <halfhalo> oh... wait.  ones a laptop keyboard minus the laptop part
May 06 19:21:06 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: desktop
May 06 19:21:15 <Tibfib> halfhalo: those are the best
May 06 19:21:30 <halfhalo> yup, since its a thinkpad kb
May 06 19:21:33 <halfhalo> so it really is
May 06 19:21:39 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: funkatron has been migrating spaz in adobe air to titanium
May 06 19:23:23 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: oh ok, installing now
May 06 19:36:38 <ajay> whatsup!
May 06 19:40:52 <dohtem> ooh... new download stats for free apps.  Its broken down by to the day too
May 06 19:41:25 * ajay thinks it would be funny to give promo codes out for free apps :)
May 06 19:41:37 <ajay> Can you change an app from free<->paid?
May 06 19:41:45 <Tibfib> afaik, no
May 06 19:41:49 <dohtem> I don't think so.
May 06 19:42:05 <Tibfib> make an $1000 app but distribute promo codes like crazy
May 06 19:42:27 <dohtem> And you can export to CSV too
May 06 19:42:36 <dohtem> sweet
May 06 19:42:39 <ajay> Tibfib: haha..
May 06 19:42:53 <Tibfib> dohtem: except it's broken for paid apps.
May 06 19:43:08 <dohtem> when was this rolled out?
May 06 19:43:14 <Tibfib> yesterday
May 06 19:43:26 <dohtem> this is nifty
May 06 19:43:58 * dohtem would like pie charts too but baby steps
May 06 19:46:48 <stbuehler> hm, i tried uploading an app in my dev account, and it was auto rejected (somehow clicked the wrong webos version); i updated it, and it still shows it as rejected - am i supposed to do something about it?
May 06 19:49:35 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: Tell chuqui here
May 06 19:52:31 <avarus> lol...just wanted to update ios to 4.3.3 via itunes and get "not eligible" from itunes :D
May 06 19:53:27 <stbuehler> chuqui: i tried uploading an app in my dev account, and it was auto rejected (somehow clicked the wrong webos version); i updated it, and it still shows it as rejected - am i supposed to do something about it?
May 06 19:57:05 <chuqui> send an email with details to pdc. in many cases, they'll catch it and push it through, but the email will make sure we look and figure it out.
May 06 20:00:56 <haeffb> hey, NuttyBunny: anything in the mail yet?
May 06 20:01:47 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: well, no, not even a notification from the post office, but once I know something I let you know :D
May 06 20:06:41 <haeffb> just curious how long it takes to get to Mexico City
May 06 20:06:54 <haeffb> I could have driven their myself by now
May 06 20:10:03 <dohtem> http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-SEALED-HP-VEER-4G-WORLDWIDE-SHIPPING-/220779614698 <- ha!
May 06 20:10:24 <avarus> lol at the price
May 06 20:10:28 <dohtem> "Shipments will NOT begin until May 18th"
May 06 20:10:34 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: If it was by standard mail, it can take 1 or 2 weeks :)
May 06 20:10:34 <Tibfib> hah
May 06 20:11:03 <NuttyBunny> I wonder how they will unlock them
May 06 20:11:53 <avarus> the veer will be around 250 eur without a lock of course, without a branding of course
May 06 20:11:58 <avarus> (here)
May 06 20:12:44 * NuttyBunny steals chuqui's Palm branded Palm Orange Veer ;)
May 06 20:13:38 <NuttyBunny> on a side note, don't set the webOS emulator to use 128Mb of memory, it's taking ages to boot.. hehehe
May 06 20:13:56 <avarus> what's the default?
May 06 20:14:15 <NuttyBunny> 512 I think :D
May 06 20:14:25 <dohtem> dude, RAM is cheap.
May 06 20:14:55 <NuttyBunny> Yep, I really don't remember when or why I changed the setting.  256Mb is fine, boots in 20-30 secs :D
May 06 20:15:09 <avarus> the device is faster
May 06 20:15:17 <avarus> just used the emulator once
May 06 20:15:19 <avarus> sucks :P
May 06 20:15:56 <NuttyBunny> they're 2 completely different beasts, the emu "uses" an intel processor, and the devices use arm6/7 based processors
May 06 20:16:08 <avarus> so?
May 06 20:16:23 <avarus> deploying an app the emulator takes longer than deploying to the real device
May 06 20:16:27 <avarus> it makes absolutely no sense to me
May 06 20:16:31 <avarus> to the*
May 06 20:17:28 <NuttyBunny> the idea for the emu is to use it to develop under mojo/ares/e**o while you still don't have a device
May 06 20:17:41 <avarus> ah I see
May 06 20:17:52 <NuttyBunny> for SDL/PDL apps, you really need a device  :)
May 06 20:18:42 <NuttyBunny> but I only need one file ... grrr
May 06 20:21:39 <VampiricPadraig> Hiya. Quick question relating to Vbox and the SDK in Ubuntu 11.04. Is there a fix for this yet. I don't see anything on the forum (I just did a quick search)
May 06 20:22:08 <NuttyBunny> lemme guess, it doesn't compile the kernel module
May 06 20:22:24 <VampiricPadraig> NuttyBunny, Bang on the money
May 06 20:22:49 <NuttyBunny> hold on, I JUST did it, lemme search the 2 commands on my 8 terminal windows :S
May 06 20:22:55 <VampiricPadraig> I have been trying for the past couple of hours with different versions of Vbox and it's the same error
May 06 20:23:12 <NuttyBunny> https://zhyu.me/ubuntu/solution-for-vbox-on-2-6-38.html
May 06 20:23:40 <NuttyBunny> There, paste the 2 lines that are there :)
May 06 20:23:52 <VampiricPadraig> That command looks promising. Hang on while I try it
May 06 20:26:53 <NuttyBunny> mmm... it shouldn't take too long ....
May 06 20:28:44 <VampiricPadraig> Command didn't work the first time
May 06 20:29:54 <VampiricPadraig> Looking promising...
May 06 20:30:19 * Loudergood bookmarks it
May 06 20:30:34 * dohtem bookmarks NuttyBunny 
May 06 20:30:46 <VampiricPadraig> It saying "Trying to register the VirtualBox kernal modules using DKMS"
May 06 20:30:55 <VampiricPadraig> done :D
May 06 20:31:02 <NuttyBunny> now run VirtualBox
May 06 20:31:06 <VampiricPadraig> NuttyBunny, You are a legend :D
May 06 20:31:10 <Loudergood> how in the world did you find that?
May 06 20:31:27 <VampiricPadraig> Vbox is working :D
May 06 20:31:49 <NuttyBunny> there was another error, related to 2.6.38, while I was playing with the natty beta, and I found that page... googling
May 06 20:32:06 <Loudergood> this'll let me move back to debian sid...
May 06 20:32:23 <NuttyBunny> it wasn't the first, I think it was on the third google page at that moment, but it looked like it could work, and it did ;
May 06 20:33:10 <VampiricPadraig> We should all learn from NuttyBunny, There is such a thing as a second results page on Google :P
May 06 20:34:11 <NuttyBunny> don't  forget boolean operators and the double quotes (")  :D
May 06 20:34:31 <NuttyBunny> no, not boolean operators, just the "-"
May 06 20:34:58 <NuttyBunny> with the - sign you search for pages that don't contain something
May 06 20:37:37 <Loudergood> yeah those are my favorite tool for diving deep into search
May 06 20:40:46 <NuttyBunny> the problem is when you search and only get "4" results, or less... and they're the same :S
May 06 20:42:19 <dohtem> or the top result is from Experts Exchange
May 06 20:43:45 <NuttyBunny> grrr... yes, expert sex change... I hate that :S
May 06 20:45:51 <NuttyBunny> But I think we should all bookmark: http://www.pica-pic.com/
May 06 20:50:38 <destinal> NuttyBunny: the working game and watch is awesome
May 06 20:51:14 <NuttyBunny> destinal: yep... we can now all blame oil ;)
May 06 20:52:00 <sugardave> welcome to 2009?
May 06 21:21:17 <NuttyBunny> hey chuqui!, is there a way to get my hands on the .deb file for SDK 1.4.5 (build 465)? :)
May 06 21:23:19 <chuqui> NuttyBunny:  send me email. getting those published is on my list to do, haven't done it.
May 06 21:23:52 <NuttyBunny> ok!
May 06 21:55:46 <dohtem> Can anyone vouch for these guys?
May 06 21:55:48 <dohtem> http://www.nextgenserver.com/palm_pre_unlock.htm
May 06 22:07:21 <rwhitby> dohtem: many people on PreCentral have used that service.
May 06 22:07:39 <dohtem> ah, thanks.
May 06 22:07:47 <dohtem> found them through Google.
May 06 22:08:09 <rwhitby> GuyFromNam is involved with http://digitalunlock.com/ too I think
May 06 22:32:25 <NuttyBunny> Both work
May 06 22:33:03 <NuttyBunny> I used nextgen for a Pre+ and a Pixi, and digitalunlock for a Pre-
May 06 22:38:28 <PatrickC> hey all
May 06 22:45:52 <leiru> *tired*
May 06 22:46:21 <leiru> anyone want to give a talk? http://www.froscon.de/index.php?id=41&mid=155&ret=15&L=1&L=1
May 06 22:49:43 <madnificent> is anything known as to when Enyo will become available on phones?  If not, is there any unofficial estimate one would like to make?
May 06 22:52:27 <rwhitby> madnificent: I suspect it will take as long for webOS 3.0 to come to the Pre 2 as it did for webOS 2.0 to come to the Pre-.
May 06 22:52:27 <rwhitby> so you'll probably see enyo on the veer first.
May 06 22:52:28 <rwhitby> or maybe the Pre 3, depending on when it is released
May 06 23:10:25 <LoneStar99> titanium developer sucks uninstalling could not get shit running
May 06 23:13:01 * madnificent doesn't like the doubts
May 06 23:13:25 <madnificent> rwhitby: thanks for your estimate though, it's certainly better than nothing
May 06 23:22:45 <LoneStar99> anyone use ATT for mobiles?
May 06 23:23:02 <LoneStar99> wondering what the average monthly bill is...
May 06 23:33:45 <dohtem> $100
May 06 23:34:26 <LoneStar99> dohtem really how many unlimited minutes?
May 06 23:34:36 <dohtem> $30 for data, $20 for unlimited messaging, $40 for the cheapest voice plan, $10 in taxes iirc
May 06 23:34:45 <LoneStar99> damn
May 06 23:34:58 <LoneStar99> $40 voice is like 500 minutes?
May 06 23:35:05 <dohtem> 450
May 06 23:38:12 <dohtem> I think the data plan got cheaper when they introduced the data cap. I left by then
May 06 23:38:20 <LoneStar99> thinking of getting the veer when it comes out, so doing research
May 06 23:39:06 <dohtem> LoneStar99: who are you with now?
May 06 23:54:45 <LoneStar99> dohtem: cricket
May 06 23:54:50 <LoneStar99> $35 unlimited
May 06 23:55:02 <LoneStar99> but my phone is so 1990s
May 06 23:55:15 <dohtem> what phone do you use?
May 06 23:56:17 <LoneStar99> some shit ass kynocera?
May 06 23:56:21 <dohtem> heh
May 06 23:56:25 <LoneStar99> lol
May 06 23:56:32 <LoneStar99> yeah but have a dev palm pre
May 06 23:57:53 <LoneStar99> was waiting for my dev palm Pre Plus but never got it in the mail =(
May 06 23:58:25 <dohtem> can those be flashed to work on Cricket?
May 06 23:59:08 <LoneStar99> not sure
May 06 23:59:18 <LoneStar99> cricket uses no sim cards...
May 07 02:01:05 <Tibfib> yikes. the "failed transactions" amount for paid apps is pathetically bad
May 07 02:01:31 <Tibfib> fyi, download totals for paid apps work
May 07 02:06:00 <rwhitby> Tibfib: I have one day where there are 10155 downloads of PHD, with 5052 being updates/restores and 5000 being failed transactions
May 07 02:06:10 <Tibfib> yikesss
May 07 02:06:18 <Tibfib> that is quite pathetic
May 07 02:06:24 <rwhitby> I suspect there were only actually about 20 sales, like the days before and after
May 07 02:07:57 <rwhitby> other days have 10 or more failed transactions, a couple have over 100 failed. I presume those people got the app for free.
May 07 02:08:15 <Tibfib> yeah, I assume so too
May 07 02:08:29 <Tibfib> anyone in market for mbp: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?afepn=5335869999&campid=5335869999&PID=1225267&ViewItem=&item=260778498943#ht_8241wt_1139
May 07 02:10:07 <Tibfib> also, $1000 at microcenter: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0358117
May 07 02:31:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey all
May 07 02:32:26 <dohtem> Tibfib: these are the newest ones?
May 07 02:32:35 <dohtem> with sandy bridge & thunderbolt
May 07 02:35:50 <Tibfib> dohtem: no clue, check em out :)
May 07 02:35:54 <Tibfib> I doubt it tho
May 07 02:37:38 <dwc-> if only there were model numbers to check off of!
May 07 02:37:49 <dwc-> or ... an item description
May 07 02:37:52 * dwc- coughs
May 07 02:38:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 is lost
May 07 02:49:18 <dohtem> lol dwc-, I see it.
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