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May 07 03:00:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey dkirker
May 07 03:00:27 <dkirker> hi PatrickC_Pre2
May 07 04:58:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> goodnight all
May 07 11:10:05 <leiru> *yawn*
May 07 11:10:31 <madnificent> rwhitby: I wondered about the failed transactions.  Which app do you get that generates 100 of sales?
May 07 11:13:13 <madnificent> is there a way to see the transactions for previous versions of your app?
May 07 13:44:21 <haeffb> the new app download stats pages are pretty depressing
May 07 13:49:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning all
May 07 13:49:41 <haeffb> hi
May 07 13:52:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin?
May 07 13:59:45 <leiru> hi
May 07 14:00:12 <leiru> one question to my english speaking friends: "You will need A mite. account" OR "You will need AN mite. account"
May 07 14:00:19 <leiru> a or an?
May 07 14:08:47 <leiru> PatrickC_Pre2: ?
May 07 14:09:41 <dohtem> a mite
May 07 14:10:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> a
May 07 14:10:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> you use "an" before a vowel
May 07 14:11:29 <dohtem> or some vowel-sounding consonants
May 07 14:12:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 07 14:12:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> is someone from Palm here?
May 07 14:12:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> my promo codes aren't working...
May 07 14:12:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> or do I report that to PDC?
May 07 14:17:02 <dohtem> yeah
May 07 14:21:10 <haeffb> what's a good AT&T phone for a 70-year old that doesn't want to text, but wants to play games. Thinking android device...can you access app catalog without a data plan?
May 07 14:23:29 <haeffb> or wait a couple of weeks for a Veer...?
May 07 14:32:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> you can access it over wifi on a palm phone :)
May 07 14:32:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> but need a data plan to activate, and a monthly data
May 07 14:33:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> or get them an unlocked smartphone, and put a prepaid SIM in it
May 07 14:41:29 <Hendikins> I'm seriously considering picking up a Veer to use as my work phone (replacing the Pre+), simply for the "small" factor.
May 07 14:42:23 <Hendikins> On the other hand, I'm also tempted to say "up yours HP" until the georestriction issue is dealt with.
May 07 14:42:36 <Hendikins> Decisions, decisions.
May 07 14:45:17 <leiru> haeffb: i would consider an iphone or a palm device -> usability / user-friendlyness.
May 07 14:47:32 <haeffb> she wants cheap plan and I'm reluctant to put her on a Pre+
May 07 14:48:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> veer/pixi+
May 07 14:52:14 * Hendikins also hrms, seems the GPS on his Pre+ is dead. Probably a software issue.
May 07 15:03:20 <haeffb> actually, the more I think about it, the more the pre+ seems perfect. except for TMC errors
May 07 15:04:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> my pre- keeps TMC'ing me
May 07 15:04:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> although, this one isn't OCed yet
May 07 15:06:44 <haeffb> I should just give her my other Pre2
May 07 15:06:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> is it unlocked?
May 07 15:07:02 <haeffb> it is unlocked
May 07 15:07:17 <haeffb> from DevDayNYC
May 07 15:07:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> then you can use a pre-paid SIM in it
May 07 15:07:34 <haeffb> she already has an AT&T SIM
May 07 15:07:40 <haeffb> just need to add data
May 07 15:07:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 07 15:08:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> the pre2 has a decent size screen, and a good KB
May 07 15:08:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> and amazing apps :)
May 07 15:30:08 * madnificent would really really like to see his pre2 in the mailbox now.  All the fuzz about the TouchPad and the Veer and I can't even touch a solid WebOS 2.x device
May 07 15:31:35 <madnificent> (and with that I mean: I can't buy one in my country either (if I could afford it))
May 07 15:34:37 <madnificent> I'd also like to know what institutes a 'failed transaction'
May 07 15:35:17 <haeffb> credit card transaction failed
May 07 15:41:13 <madnificent> so... that's saying "yes I want to buy it"  "uh oh, no I don't" ?
May 07 15:48:54 <haeffb> yes I want to buy it. oh, crap, my card is expired... ?
May 07 15:49:23 <haeffb> unless people are downloading and then having their CC company cancel
May 07 15:49:29 <haeffb> which would get you free apps
May 07 15:49:48 <haeffb> but eventually the CC company would have an issue, I'd think
May 07 16:05:38 <madnificent> haeffb: I don't sell many apps, which is normal, Iguess, but I have most downloads being failed transaction
May 07 16:05:40 <madnificent> which is odd
May 07 16:05:55 <madnificent> at least, all the later ones are like that=
May 07 16:06:12 <madnificent> (sorry for the typos btw, I'm on a very very laggy line)
May 07 16:25:40 <haeffb> Looks like the downloads are downloads on that day, while sales are the transactions settled on that day
May 07 16:37:23 <dwc-> once the pre2 is activated, you can app store etc all on wifi and disable data
May 07 16:38:32 <dwc-> I ran mine for a month or so without a data plan
May 07 16:40:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I use app catalog with no plan at all :)
May 07 17:11:22 * madnificent shouts at the nda and runs away in frustration
May 07 17:13:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 pats madnificent on the back to calm him
May 07 17:13:49 <madnificent> thanks PatrickC_Pre2
May 07 17:14:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> np :)
May 07 17:23:21 <Sharma> Hi All
May 07 17:24:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> HP Logo?!?!?! NOOO
May 07 17:24:14 <Sharma> How do I access list item values when I tap on a listitem
May 07 17:25:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> I want my Palm logo on my phone's back :'(
May 07 17:26:29 <Sharma> Question 2: How to create a global array ?, that is accessible to all prototype functions within the same assistant file ?
May 07 17:30:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> 5MB dl/1MB ul?!
May 07 17:31:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ is veer on H+
May 07 17:34:25 <hotdp> yer
May 07 17:34:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> but no Palm logos :/
May 07 18:03:00 <haeffb> Sharma: 1: you need to add an event listener for Mojo.Event.listTap
May 07 18:03:52 <Sharma> i'm having that
May 07 18:03:55 <haeffb> 2: a true global can be created by not using var myObject
May 07 18:04:04 <haeffb> or not this.myObject
May 07 18:04:21 <haeffb> in your event listener function, do you have an event argument?
May 07 18:04:26 <Sharma> it is like, i've created the array in one function, that i want to access in another function
May 07 18:04:33 <Sharma> yes
May 07 18:04:42 <Sharma> i'm not seeing what that event supports
May 07 18:04:48 <haeffb> event.item should give you the list item
May 07 18:04:50 <Sharma> i have only event.index
May 07 18:04:57 <Sharma> oh grt
May 07 18:05:05 <Sharma> that will give me the entire list ?
May 07 18:05:06 <haeffb> or something like that...
May 07 18:05:13 <haeffb> no, just the item
May 07 18:05:15 <Sharma> where do i get documentation for that ?
May 07 18:05:27 <haeffb> you could use your listModel.items(event.index)
May 07 18:05:31 <Sharma> in my case, the list item has multiple values
May 07 18:05:55 <Sharma> the listModel is not available to the event handler function
May 07 18:06:15 <haeffb> you can do Mojo.Log.info("The event is: %j", event) to see what's in there
May 07 18:06:18 <Sharma> is there something as event.item ?
May 07 18:07:09 <haeffb> did you bind your eventListener function when you created the listener?
May 07 18:08:22 <haeffb> try even.originalEvent.target
May 07 18:08:29 <haeffb> event.originalEvent.target
May 07 18:09:09 <haeffb> er, no, that will give you the html element
May 07 18:09:23 <hotdp> http://viaplay.dk/Movies/Comedy/114139/Due-Date.product
May 07 18:09:29 <hotdp> sorry wrong window
May 07 18:10:02 <Sharma> i have templateResponse function where I populate the listModel, and on listitem tap, it goes to another function, where I create a popupSubmenu and on click of a submenu i want to access the value of listModel
May 07 18:10:06 <haeffb> for question 2, if you just want an array accessible to all methods of the SceneAssistant, I would use this.myArray = [];
May 07 18:10:52 <Sharma> for question 2:  But if I populate that array inside one of the prototype function, I cannot access the values in another prototype function
May 07 18:11:00 <haeffb> why not?
May 07 18:11:19 <Sharma> can you share your email id ?.. i will send you the code ?
May 07 18:11:31 <haeffb> http://www.pastebin.com
May 07 18:13:29 <haeffb> an example:  http://pastebin.com/2ek9DdXd
May 07 18:16:34 <Sharma> Hi haeffb.. event.item worked
May 07 18:16:43 <Sharma> thank you so much
May 07 18:16:56 <Sharma> is there any doc for that ?
May 07 19:17:36 <Popple3> blah, why does the Pre 2 in the media library have to have verizon carrier text?
May 07 19:18:04 <Popple3> too awkward to replace it
May 07 19:31:07 <haeffb> I have a design question...
May 07 19:31:27 <haeffb> this API requires a token that lasts for 4 hours, and must be provided with any api request
May 07 19:32:09 <haeffb> I want to use the cached token for requests, then if the request returns "invalid token", call the getToken api to refresh, then call the original request again
May 07 19:32:37 <haeffb> but don't want to get stuck in a loop if the getToken api fails
May 07 19:32:49 <haeffb> so, never mind, I know what to do now... :)
May 07 19:34:09 <Loudergood> your question was practically pseudocode ;)
May 07 19:34:37 * haeffb will start writing all questions in Javascript henceforth
May 07 19:34:47 <haeffb> then just copy/paste to my code
May 07 19:57:45 <leiru> ähh
May 07 19:58:01 <leiru> i can't uncheck the RSS feeds @ submission for my paid app?
May 07 20:15:06 <leiru> Will that mean, this App will be available over the feeds for free?
May 07 20:15:25 <halfhalo> nope
May 07 20:20:18 <leiru> really, sure?
May 07 20:20:24 <halfhalo> yup
May 07 20:20:34 <leiru> halfhalo: you just want to grab a free copy of my app! :D
May 07 20:20:41 <leiru> ;)
May 07 20:20:44 <halfhalo> the feeds redirect to the app catalog
May 07 20:21:09 <leiru> okay, that would be a good point for the documentation thread by adora in the forums
May 07 20:55:57 <leiru> halfhalo: my app encrypts the username / password with webOS APIs.
May 07 20:56:15 <leiru> i don't have to report that to BIS?
May 07 20:56:19 <leiru> If it is your intention to make the technical data or software "publicly available" (see Part 734.3(b)(3)), then there is no need to request a classification as "publicly available" data or software is not subject to the EAR unless it is encryption software described in ECCN 5D002 (see Encryption for more information). Supplement 1 to part 734 provides additional guidance on "publicly available" criteria.
May 07 20:56:41 <halfhalo> I have no idea
May 07 20:56:57 <leiru> who could from palm side?
May 07 20:57:20 <halfhalo> best bet would be adora or chuqui
May 07 21:01:19 <leiru> that app store **** !&%"§
May 07 21:01:25 <leiru> :|
May 07 21:31:16 <leiru> i'm really angry about that
May 07 21:31:28 <leiru> maybe 'cause i am getting angry fastly with palm/hp
May 07 21:32:06 <leiru> that application would take 45 days.
May 07 21:32:17 <leiru> i wanted to submit today...
May 07 21:33:30 <leiru> maybe because someone could exchange terroristic messages using my password field by sending palm devices around :|
May 07 21:33:49 <leiru> har har :(
May 07 21:54:13 <leiru> halfhalo: will doing rails after that thing, but it's the webfrontend of an app. why i am still doing this, the bad moments are more like the good ones in my relation to HP
May 07 21:54:48 <torchie> hewlett PACKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
May 07 21:57:21 <leiru> at the other side, my iPhone guys at work also are depressed about apple and doing this job.
May 07 21:57:25 <leiru> hrm
May 07 21:57:31 <leiru> side=hand
May 07 22:04:20 <Popple3> Is there anywhere I can read reviews of my app without having to take out a device?
May 07 22:04:24 <Popple3> also, hey guys
May 07 22:04:56 <oil> http://www.cyrket.com/m/palm/ lists the last few reviews
May 07 22:05:13 <haeffb> how do I get device name from Mojo?
May 07 22:05:55 <oil> like pre/pixi/etc?
May 07 22:06:00 <haeffb> yeah.
May 07 22:06:06 * oil looks
May 07 22:06:27 <oil> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.modelNameAscii
May 07 22:06:37 <Popple3> oil: Yeah, just found that. Thanks :)
May 07 22:06:56 <haeffb> and...crap. I need to do it regardless of Mojo/Enyo.
May 07 22:06:56 <Popple3> My app isn't on there yet though :(
May 07 22:07:21 <oil> im sure enyo has something different that is much the same
May 07 22:07:30 <oil> but i dont know it, nor could i post it here?
May 07 22:07:42 <haeffb> all my code using Mojo.appInfo.xxxxx needs to be refactored so that it will work under either...
May 07 22:07:52 <haeffb> if there is such a thing as Enyo.
May 07 22:07:57 <oil> heh
May 07 22:08:08 <oil> probably need to pass it through a function that determines if its mojo or enyo
May 07 22:08:13 <haeffb> yep
May 07 22:08:29 <haeffb> f'in pain in the 'something'
May 07 22:09:19 <haeffb> hypothetically, how would one determine if the code was running under mojo or some other framework?
May 07 22:12:51 <Popple3> haeffb: if (Mojo == undefined) { doEnyoStuff(); } else { doMojoStuff(): }
May 07 22:12:51 <Popple3> ?
May 07 22:16:04 <haeffb> that might work
May 07 22:20:02 <leiru> Popple3: maybe this is intersting for you (haven't tested it) http://www.precentral.net/webos-developers-get-notified-app-reviews-new-service
May 07 22:22:33 <Popple3> leiru: Yeah, spotted that too, immediately sub'd to my app
May 07 22:22:36 <Popple3> thanks though
May 07 22:28:53 <halfhalo> gah
May 07 22:29:00 <halfhalo> car was soooo expensive
May 07 22:30:19 <halfhalo> like 80 dollars expensive
May 07 22:31:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> well.. got a referb today, and ordered another within 5 min
May 07 22:32:17 <halfhalo> lulz refurbs
May 07 22:32:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah :/
May 07 22:32:50 * halfhalo doesn't do refurbs
May 07 22:33:02 <halfhalo> and normally warranty repair
May 07 22:33:32 * halfhalo is lazy like that
May 07 22:34:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> power button didn't work, and screen was really scratched up :)
May 07 22:34:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> they replaced because of the power button
May 07 22:35:00 * halfhalo has a rule, under 150 buy a new one instead of repair.  since if it brakes it means that I probly need it sooner rather than later
May 07 22:35:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> now... proximity sensor doesn't work
May 07 22:35:57 * halfhalo sits and waits for car to be done
May 07 22:36:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't really have the money to keep buying new devices lol
May 07 22:36:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> I went through 6 pixi's in 5 months
May 07 22:37:05 <halfhalo> heh
May 07 22:37:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> now.. I have to decide.. do I 2.1infy it, or wait..
May 07 22:38:36 <halfhalo> mmmm.... shiny car....
May 07 22:39:27 <halfhalo> although not my shiny car... grrr
May 07 22:40:21 * halfhalo I bored since he has been here since 2
May 07 22:41:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's wrong with Ur car?
May 07 22:41:26 <halfhalo> its being washed
May 07 22:41:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 07 22:43:14 <halfhalo> cost waaaayyy to much
May 07 22:43:49 <Loudergood> washed or detailed?
May 07 22:44:20 <halfhalo> washed plus claybarred and a few other things
May 07 22:48:34 <halfhalo> 80 freaking monies
May 07 22:50:01 <leiru> 80 dollars for a car wash?
May 07 22:50:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> dang
May 07 22:51:10 <leiru> is the inflation in america that far? ^^
May 07 22:51:19 <leiru> *duck & run*
May 07 22:53:19 <oil> no need to duck and run, shits pretty fucked up
May 07 22:53:42 <oil> but for that price, im sure he got a lot more then a car wash
May 07 22:54:18 <halfhalo> oh my god its sooooo shiny
May 07 22:54:22 <leiru> oil: sure.
May 07 22:54:26 <halfhalo> my eyes, they burn
May 07 22:55:05 <halfhalo> why is the dashboard so freaking shiny
May 07 22:55:10 <leiru> maybe he got some nice girls washing his car, naked?
May 07 22:55:34 <SineOt> did they armor all it? lol
May 07 22:56:01 <oil> lol
May 07 22:56:10 <leiru> SineOt: they weared weapons, that made 5 bucks more.
May 07 22:56:57 * halfhalo wishes
May 07 22:58:23 <halfhalo> they armor alled the crap out of it
May 07 22:58:40 <halfhalo> and I have no sunglasses as well
May 07 22:58:40 <SineOt> grosssssss
May 07 22:59:04 <halfhalo> well, it makes the leather look nice
May 07 22:59:06 <LoneStar99> http://fx.inetcat.com/
May 07 22:59:27 <SineOt> it always looks terrible on dashboards though
May 07 22:59:54 <halfhalo> not on this one, its just blinding at first
May 07 23:00:05 <halfhalo> hmmm, now time for the foods
May 07 23:00:24 <halfhalo> taco bell it is!
May 07 23:00:34 <leiru> :))
May 07 23:01:19 <leiru> maybe the girls are naked and wear heavy armory...
May 07 23:01:22 <leiru> hmmmmm
May 07 23:01:38 <SineOt> doesn't wearing heavy armor kind of preclude any nudity
May 07 23:02:30 <leiru> maybe if i give them 80 bucks? :D SCNR
May 07 23:02:58 <haeffb> it appears that something like this will solve my Mojo/AnotherFramework problem for getting app info... http://pastie.org/1876295
May 07 23:03:16 <rwhitby> morning
May 07 23:03:26 <RagingMind> rwhitby, g'mornin
May 07 23:03:33 <haeffb> SineOt: not heavy *transparent* armor
May 07 23:03:47 <haeffb> Happy Mother's Day, rwhitby
May 07 23:04:15 <rwhitby> you calling me a mutha? ;)
May 07 23:04:48 <haeffb> yes, but only in the sense of "one badass mutha"
May 07 23:06:16 * halfhalo gets gas and fears the price
May 07 23:08:03 * halfhalo cries at 60 dollars for 3/4th a tank
May 07 23:10:35 <haeffb> dammit. gotta abstract "Mojo.Log" as well.
May 08 01:03:01 <Aduros> Hi, is there a way to ssh into a device using the official PDK development process? I'm following https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/pdk_app_debugging.html but the tcprelay mentioned doesn't seem to be working on my system (Linux)
May 08 01:03:24 <Aduros> I'm able to novaterm in just fine, but I'd like to be able to easily scp a bunch of files over as well
May 08 01:40:11 <NuttyBunny> Aduros: Well, you could install the sftp server from Optware
May 08 01:40:36 <NuttyBunny> Install Preware first, then look for the sftp server in Linux applications I think
May 08 01:41:31 <sugardave> or use scp....
May 08 01:44:11 <Aduros> NuttyBunny: Thanks, I'm a little hesitant to go down that path for now, but I'll keep it in mind :)
May 08 02:57:24 * dwc- grumbles at webos mail html-only email
May 08 02:59:30 <NuttyBunny> heh.. and it seems they won't fix it any time soon
May 08 02:59:48 <oil_pre> can't you just patch it?
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