**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 08 02:59:58 2011
May 08 03:00:02 <dwc-> | sed -e s/.../
May 08 03:09:30 <dwc-> I might try... it does rather annoy me
May 08 03:09:52 <dwc-> I mean, seriously, they're sending multipart/mime to embed text/html but no text/plain
May 08 03:10:07 <dwc-> and they don't let you format shit anyways in the editor, so all you get out of it is a grey signature
May 08 04:53:53 <dwc-> interesting. Composition.js has some html stripping bits that are commented out
May 08 05:52:52 <patrickc_sleepin> http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=U0X1Acrty6E&fulldescription=1
May 08 10:11:02 <Popple3> anyone ever get the "Application database is full" error, and find a solution?
May 08 10:11:25 <Popple3> was on live chat with CS, and they just blamed Preware stuff
May 08 11:09:45 <K4llle> Hello!
May 08 11:11:17 <K4llle> Does anybody know if I can send a javascript event manually? For example I want to send a button tap event when I click somewhere else.
May 08 12:04:14 <Popple3> K4llle: Could you not just call the function that the button tap calls?
May 08 12:06:56 <Squeak|2> hi all
May 08 12:13:15 <Squeak|2> I'm wondering if some one can help me with some of the basics of a mojo+c service/mojo+plugin app I understand the theory behind creating such apps, but can't seem to grasp how to actually do it.
May 08 12:14:28 <Squeak|2> basically I just want to have a java/mojo app that runs a .sh script for palmdatabase.db3 access at the system level
May 08 12:19:09 <Squeak> anyone able to offer a few pointers in the right directions
May 08 12:19:13 <Squeak> ?
May 08 14:04:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> has there ever been a time where the doctor couldn't fix a phone?
May 08 14:26:00 <haeffb> yeah, when you drop it from three stories onto concrete
May 08 15:21:34 <leiru> anyone an idea for smth useful or geeky i could build on node.js on the pre2 or veer?
May 08 15:21:51 <leiru> smth like a server for a small blog or something like this :D
May 08 15:23:05 <leiru> hrm, maybe a lib would be useful for gaming against each other.
May 08 15:30:33 <leiru> lol, just looked into what's trending on mother's day on twitter
May 08 16:57:19 <sbc_> Hi
May 08 16:58:32 <sbc_> I'm calling AJAX request and populating a list model from the response output. I want to do this automatically say for every 1 min or 2 min. How to achieve this ?
May 08 17:01:21 <LoneStar99> que onda WebOSers
May 08 17:24:22 <dwc-> hey, an HP'er
May 08 18:59:41 <leiru> hrm
May 08 18:59:44 <leiru> he's gone
May 08 19:00:16 <leiru> Ajax.PeriodicalUpdater from prototype would be one answer.
May 08 19:25:42 <squeak> hey can any one help with the creation of my first webos mojo+c service OR mojo+pdk plugin application? please, just need some pointers. :).
May 08 19:31:15 <leiru> sorry, but i never did pdk
May 08 19:55:04 <stbuehler> squeak: already read some docs?
May 08 19:57:05 <squeak> I've read through most of the webos-internals git repo sources for services
May 08 19:58:14 <squeak> basically I want to create an app that will interact with the palmdatabase.db3... I know I need to create a c service for this, and that I can talk back and forth through requests
May 08 19:59:03 <squeak> the bit I don't get is how to actually create the service as in the file layout and what .json files I would need to create
May 08 20:00:16 <leiru> korean noodlesoup ftw! http://daveola.com/Pages/Ramen/Photos/Nong_Shim-Kimchi_Ramen.jpg
May 08 20:00:21 <leiru> brb, eating now
May 08 20:02:29 <stbuehler> squeak: i'm not sure whether you can really access palmdatabase.db3 from a c plugin (user permissions, ...)
May 08 20:03:20 <stbuehler> Squeak|2: but i thought the docs were not that bad for this...
May 08 20:04:53 <stbuehler> "plug-ins": true, in appinfo.json, { "type":"hybrid","requiredMemory":xx } in your_plugin_appinfo.json, a binary your_plugin and filemode.755=your_plugin in package.properties
May 08 20:10:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey all
May 08 20:11:44 <squeak> what I was actually thinking was running a shell script to do the database calls or something to that effect, since I should be able to access the sqlite3 binary
May 08 20:11:58 <squeak> from the sources i've read through.
May 08 20:15:27 <squeak> so creating a hybrid app would just be a matter of creating the normal stages and assistants etc, then adding my .c/.h files in the correct place and compiling with palm-package? (with the correct .json files etc)
May 08 20:20:21 <squeak> btw I know this app would never make it to the official app catalogue, I'm more aiming for a free homebrew app.
May 08 20:21:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's the app do?
May 08 20:22:45 <stbuehler> squeak: palm-package doesn't compile
May 08 20:23:11 <squeak> it will do a proper text, IM, contact etc backup to HTML to begginwith, but also a web service eventually.
May 08 20:23:22 <stbuehler> you need a cross-compile toolchain for that. i don't think you read any docs for that, otherwise you really should have picked that up
May 08 20:23:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> 2.1 already backs up text messages
May 08 20:24:04 <squeak> but it does it to the palm servers, I need a local copy.
May 08 20:24:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 08 20:24:27 <squeak> also I'm still running 1.4.5 so no text backup at all.
May 08 20:24:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> Pixi?
May 08 20:24:36 <squeak> though it would prefferably run on both.
May 08 20:24:43 <squeak> no pre-
May 08 20:25:00 <stbuehler> uhm, does hybrid work on 1.4.5? doubt it
May 08 20:25:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> have you thought of meta-doctoring to 2.1?
May 08 20:25:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> wirc is hybrid iirc
May 08 20:25:30 <squeak> I thought it worked just wasn't supported by palm/hp.
May 08 20:25:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it works on my 1.4.5 pre-/+/pixi-
May 08 20:25:41 <stbuehler> k
May 08 20:26:54 <squeak> I've looked at meta-doctoring but it still wont do a local backup
May 08 20:27:09 <stbuehler> squeak: if you still want to run some backup jobs you might think about triggering a remote job to login on your phone and copy the files :)
May 08 20:27:12 <squeak> it's purely for me a local backup would be benifitial in many ways
May 08 20:28:22 <squeak> I've got a c# app on my pc that does what I need but just thought a native webos app would be useful, rather than having to copy the database off every time.
May 08 20:29:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> doesn't webOS support C?
May 08 20:30:08 <Popple3> C != C#
May 08 20:30:09 <squeak> tbh, I can't see it just being me that would like to have a full local copy of texts... if I'm wrong, I'll happily carry on doing it with the c# app and sftp copying the database
May 08 20:30:36 <squeak> yeah no dotnet support quite yet... :(.
May 08 20:32:35 <ajay> oh my i'm here..
May 08 20:33:00 <squeak> but a nice searchable local copy with the full synergied chat logs and texts etc, for me seems really benifitial
May 08 20:33:17 <squeak> no pc sync is a real bummer. to be honest.
May 08 20:36:10 <keith> squeak: i use gvoice for this functionality. itd be awesome to have it in an app
May 08 20:37:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey keith
May 08 20:37:17 <keith> hi PatrickC_Pre2
May 08 20:37:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> man
May 08 20:37:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> the pre2 is slow when extracting stuff off of it :)
May 08 20:38:34 <squeak> google voice isn't available in the uk what does it actually do?
May 08 20:40:24 <keith> its a 'meta' number that forward my calls/txts/etc to my actual phone
May 08 20:40:31 <keith> hiding my actual phone number always
May 08 20:40:39 <keith> also now i have linked it with my home phone
May 08 20:40:46 <keith> so it is my home phone
May 08 20:40:56 <keith> and theres a new sprint deal to use that as your sprint number
May 08 20:41:03 <keith> so its not a call forward hack.
May 08 20:41:21 <ajay> keith: damn i was in sf and forgot to call that shop! eh.. ;^)
May 08 20:41:36 <keith> so basically 1 number works for cell, home, etc
May 08 20:41:41 <keith> and logs sms/missed calls/etc
May 08 20:41:44 <squeak> nice, just read throught the wiki for it as well, hope we get it over here some time soon.
May 08 20:42:27 <squeak> the logging sounds brilliant for my needs. google integration would be great.
May 08 20:46:13 <squeak> am i right in thinking I can start a new process (shell script/binary) from a java service?
May 08 20:46:21 <squeak> that would make life much easier.
May 08 20:46:24 <squeak> :).
May 08 20:47:07 <squeak> just read through a .java that does it, but can't test the app atm to see it it actually works.
May 08 21:34:09 <ajay> i need to retry getting skype to work, it's silly that i could only get it to work once..1
May 08 21:35:13 <dwc-> x86 emulator, linux for skype/i386, run it in an xserver? ;)
May 08 21:35:52 <ajay> dwc-: haha.. that would be ridiculous, i can get it to work on vz for voice, just am doing something wrong ;^)
May 08 21:36:03 <ajay> but hey runnin it an emu might be hot if i could get video!
May 08 21:36:09 <dwc-> s/linux for skype/skype for linux/
May 08 21:36:24 <ajay> haha missed that :)
May 08 21:37:05 <dwc-> I haven't been able to get video to work on a linux/x86/desktop pc, so I wouldn't hold out hope for that one
May 08 21:37:17 <dwc-> or, at least, it wouldn't do video with my colleague running skype/win32
May 08 21:37:45 <ajay> dwc-: for you to watch or send?
May 08 21:37:54 <dwc-> either
May 08 21:38:12 <ajay> dwc-: I've definitely been able to watch video before..
May 08 21:38:20 <dwc-> odd. didn't try very long though.
May 08 21:38:29 <dwc-> is this with the newest version? (apr 4thish or later)
May 08 21:38:51 <ajay> no this was months ago, i don't know what ver offhand.. wait is there a new ver?`1
May 08 21:38:53 <dwc-> (it's ok, I didn't really want to see his screencast anyways)
May 08 21:38:55 <ajay> the ver i had was way old
May 08 21:39:08 <dtzWill> x86 emulation on arm is terrrribly slow. have performance numbers on that somewhere ^.^
May 08 21:39:19 <dwc-> http://blogs.skype.com/linux/2011/04/2_2_beta.html
May 08 21:40:04 <dtzWill> (on the pre I mean in particular hehe)
May 08 21:40:04 <dwc-> previous one was ~18 months older than that, iirc
May 08 21:42:42 <ajay> dwc-: oooooooo!  i'm curious/semi-excited.. it doesn't say what's new though..
May 08 21:42:45 <ajay> yeah it was way old
May 08 21:45:33 <dwc-> afaict, not a whole lot
May 08 21:46:00 <dwc-> but I mostly use it for text chat, occasional voice/conference
May 08 21:46:48 <dwc-> on the plus side, I haven't had to restart skype for it forgetting how to use the microphone yet
May 08 21:46:54 * dwc- knocks on wood
May 08 21:47:23 <dawm_> really..
May 08 21:47:38 <dawm_> if i type St. assume i mean it.. dont change it to At. stupid autocorrect
May 08 21:48:10 <ajay> yeah the autocorrect is pretty frustrating. i reluctantly disabled it.
May 08 21:51:09 <dawm_> ugh where is my palm pouch.. i hate wearing my holser on dates
May 08 21:55:36 <ajay> dawm_: I don't know if you heard, that holsters are a turnoff? it explains my life..
May 08 22:03:52 <ajay> ok ttfn!
May 08 23:16:31 <dgathright> who here has AT&T?  I'm thinking about the Veer and wondering how much the monthly contract is
May 08 23:16:41 <Tibfib> I do
May 08 23:16:52 <Tibfib> I'm on a family plan tho
May 08 23:17:39 <dgathright> oh, yeah, it'll just be me
May 08 23:18:21 <Tibfib> it's definitely more than sprint
May 08 23:19:48 <dgathright> yeah, an considering I'm still on my parents family plan, I go from $0 to however much AT&T is going to charge.
May 08 23:19:59 <Tibfib> 50-70 is my bet
May 08 23:20:20 <dgathright> But, I've pretty much accepted the fact that Sprint is never getting an exclusive on a webOS device again.
May 08 23:20:39 <dgathright> well, that's better than the $99 I was expecting
May 08 23:20:53 <Tibfib> depends on how much you want I guess
May 08 23:21:03 <Tibfib> they have their prices online
May 08 23:21:12 <dgathright> I played around with the Veer last week.  omg, yeah, I want one
May 08 23:21:27 <Tibfib> I would buy one if it was out of contract
May 08 23:22:38 <dgathright> 450 min ($40) & 2gb data ($25) makes it $65 / month
May 08 23:22:55 <Tibfib> + 10 with hidden fees or so
May 08 23:23:31 <dgathright> What would it be out of contract, $300-$400?
May 08 23:23:45 <Tibfib> not sure
May 08 23:23:49 <Tibfib> probably more
May 08 23:23:54 <Tibfib> well maybe not
May 08 23:24:59 <dgathright> Looks like the Pre Plus is currently $300 via AT&T
May 08 23:26:53 <haeffb> dgathright: does that include texts?
May 08 23:27:06 <dgathright> oh, no, $10 more
May 08 23:27:20 <dgathright> and $5 more for insurance.  up to $80
May 08 23:27:39 <haeffb> ridiculous what we spend on cell phones in the US
May 08 23:28:05 <haeffb> but I'm not gonna stop
May 08 23:29:25 <LoneStar99> wish Cricket would get da veer and pre 3
May 09 01:02:23 <dwc-> insurance? I don't get that
May 09 01:02:29 <dwc-> (then again, I don't get a text plan either)
May 09 01:02:34 * dwc- is weird
May 09 01:51:14 <kaans> Hi, I have a problem after following the tutorial on http://webos101.com/Pseudo-Drawers_In_A_List
May 09 01:51:48 <haeffb> what's the problem?
May 09 01:51:49 <kaans> If a drawer is collapsed, I can not delete the item underneath it via swipe
May 09 01:52:13 <kaans> If i expand the drawer I can see the delete button (otherwise not)
May 09 01:52:49 <kaans> The delete/cancel buttons seem to be moved way to the right so I can't acces them
May 09 01:54:00 <kaans> Any ideas?
May 09 01:54:57 <Tibfib> hmmm
May 09 01:55:35 <kaans> I tried setting position to relative and left to 0px but that didn't help
May 09 01:58:31 <haeffb> I haven't seen that issue
May 09 02:01:04 <kaans1> sorry I had a disconnect, did somebody have a solution?
May 09 02:01:19 <haeffb> no solutions. Can you pastebin some code?
May 09 02:05:06 <kaans1> this is the row template: http://pastebin.com/Tid6mbNT
May 09 02:08:08 <kaans1> this is the template for the rows in the drawer: http://pastebin.com/Rb7ckyVq
May 09 02:11:55 <haeffb> you've got a list in the drawer which is in another list?
May 09 02:12:27 <kaans1> should be just a list in the drawer
May 09 02:12:38 <kaans1> while the drawer is in another list
May 09 02:12:53 <haeffb> yeah. That's gonna be a bit complicated.
May 09 02:13:20 <haeffb> a list with drawers which have lists
May 09 02:14:00 <kaans1> where are the problems with this setup?
May 09 02:17:15 <kaans1> this is the widget setup: http://pastebin.com/YwjeBG7e
May 09 02:27:53 <kaans1> any ideas?
May 09 02:59:43 <halfhalo> coldcoldcoldcold
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