**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 10 02:59:58 2011
May 10 03:24:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I've never had that problem with Safari, SineOt... do you have any extensions installed?
May 10 03:24:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Wait, nevermind, I missed "beta" on first readthrough, my mistake.
May 10 03:24:47 <dwc-> jeez, how many of you are running lion
May 10 03:26:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm not, but I've used it
May 10 03:26:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not so sure I like it yet
May 10 03:27:14 <Loudergood> lions otters and bunnies oh my
May 10 03:27:14 <dwc-> I'm not all that keen on running beta os's
May 10 03:27:35 <Loudergood> yeah not if you want to get any work done
May 10 03:27:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> heh, believe it or not my best ever beta experience was that of Windows 7 Ultimate RC2
May 10 03:27:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> two summers ago
May 10 03:28:06 <Loudergood> and RC is much much nicer than a beta usually
May 10 03:28:18 <dwc-> I much prefer my systems to be stable when I want to use them... don't really have time to play around with extra systems and extra os's
May 10 03:28:27 <Loudergood> the exception I make is I run firefox nightly builds on on machine
May 10 03:30:36 <dwc-> mmm, I run firefox until it's not supported anymore
May 10 03:30:45 * dwc- hasn't felt any compelling reasons to upgrade firefox
May 10 03:31:50 <dwc-> and then by the time I do, the bugs are worked out and my extensions have updates
May 10 03:33:37 <Loudergood> you sound like a debian stable user ;)
May 10 03:39:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> any of you guys have a Pre 2 on VZW?
May 10 03:39:41 <Loudergood> yes
May 10 03:41:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do you have early access?
May 10 03:43:05 <dwc-> good guess
May 10 03:43:10 <Loudergood> yes..
May 10 03:43:25 <Loudergood> but I don't talk about it outside the forum
May 10 04:38:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Do I need to remove all patches and themes before doctoring or is that only OTA?
May 10 04:46:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> anyone? hmm?
May 10 04:47:58 <dohtem> I wouldnt think so.
May 10 04:49:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hmmm
May 10 04:50:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, I guess you're right because the doctor is the entire payload
May 10 04:50:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> OTA is just modification
May 10 05:12:51 <PatrickC_Pre> hey all
May 10 06:04:18 <hotdp> Good morning
May 10 06:12:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh noes, that should mean "Good night" for me but I'm just finishing up a 2.1 upgrade
May 10 06:13:54 <hotdp> doctor?
May 10 06:16:48 <PatrickC_Pre> hey all
May 10 06:16:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yep
May 10 06:16:58 * PatrickC_Pre is finishing up fixing his borked prer
May 10 06:17:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hardware or software?
May 10 06:17:21 <PatrickC_Pre> sw
May 10 06:17:29 <PatrickC_Pre> I borked it trying to put SHR on it
May 10 06:17:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> SHR?
May 10 06:18:12 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah
May 10 06:18:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what is SHR? lol
May 10 06:18:21 <PatrickC_Pre> http://shr-project.org
May 10 06:18:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Android?
May 10 06:18:31 <PatrickC_Pre> look at link :)
May 10 06:18:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> AH
May 10 06:18:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> okay I've seen this
May 10 06:18:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> cool
May 10 06:18:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> didn't work out? :(
May 10 06:18:50 <PatrickC_Pre> it did
May 10 06:18:53 <PatrickC_Pre> but I didn't like it
May 10 06:19:03 <PatrickC_Pre> and it repartitions the HDD of my phone
May 10 06:19:10 <PatrickC_Pre> so I had to try and recover from it
May 10 06:19:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ouch
May 10 06:19:53 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah
May 10 06:19:57 <PatrickC_Pre> it seems to be ok
May 10 06:31:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hcatlin: You made Dictionary?
May 10 06:40:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> My school is so idiotic when it comes to network security
May 10 06:41:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 10 06:41:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> howso?
May 10 06:43:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> dang! even the EPR sees no patches
May 10 06:43:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well they have a captive portal system for the browser unless you're registered
May 10 06:43:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> when preware says they're installed...
May 10 06:43:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and it resets every 30 seconds
May 10 06:43:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow... lol
May 10 06:43:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so you type in your username, password and you're about to hit continue when... WINDOW REFRESHES
May 10 06:43:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good luck being fast enough.
May 10 06:43:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 10 06:44:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
May 10 06:44:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone know how to fix my preware issue?
May 10 06:44:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hose the whole OS and start over?
May 10 06:44:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> short of that? :)
May 10 06:45:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no idea :(
May 10 06:45:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sorry
May 10 06:45:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> thats a worst/last case senerio
May 10 06:45:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> right
May 10 06:45:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> np, its ok :)
May 10 06:45:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if I were you I'd go fresh
May 10 06:45:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and then restore my save/restore backup
May 10 06:46:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> (what I'm actually doing right now)
May 10 06:46:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, i already tried that, and it didn't fix my partitioning problem
May 10 06:46:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> god, Exhibition is so beautiful
May 10 06:46:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't see how people can hate on this OS
May 10 06:46:45 <hotdp> who hates it?
May 10 06:47:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> read the engadget comments sometime
May 10 06:47:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know what broke it....
May 10 06:47:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> when there's a webOS article
May 10 06:47:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> dang...
May 10 06:47:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what?
May 10 06:47:23 <hotdp> i think must people don't like the hardware
May 10 06:47:26 <hotdp> not the os
May 10 06:47:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I restored my .palm directory, and it restored all apps and cookies I believe
May 10 06:47:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this Pre2 is the most solid phone I've ever owned
May 10 06:47:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> therefore making preware think falsely
May 10 06:47:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
May 10 06:47:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that would do it
May 10 06:47:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> crap
May 10 06:48:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :(
May 10 06:48:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> now.. I have to delete the entire 1.4GB .palm directory, and let it download fresh :/
May 10 06:48:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ouch
May 10 06:48:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I wonder how hard it would be for HP/Palm to integrate Save/Restore into the Palm Profile
May 10 06:48:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 10 06:49:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> not hard I think
May 10 06:49:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that would be so clutch
May 10 06:49:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> having ALL your data from apps just "there"
May 10 06:49:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for A+ Student Organizer for instance
May 10 06:49:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> awesome app btw, if you're still in school
May 10 06:50:09 * PatrickC_Pre2 is in 9th gd
May 10 06:50:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> man... I'm trying to decide do I doctor, or erase the .palm directory...
May 10 06:50:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> then buy that app ;)
May 10 06:50:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 will once he gets a job ;)
May 10 06:51:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the next thing they need is "webOS Giftcards"
May 10 06:51:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> for the catalog?
May 10 06:51:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 10 06:51:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> carrier billing and promo codes was good
May 10 06:52:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I want to be able to buy my girlfriend oregon trail for her Pre without putting my credit card in her phone
May 10 06:52:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 10 06:52:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehehe
May 10 06:52:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not that much of a tall order
May 10 06:52:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> there are ways
May 10 06:52:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
May 10 06:52:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey Adora!
May 10 06:53:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha the Upgrade image for the App Catalog is so ghetto
May 10 06:53:15 * PatrickC_Pre2 mutters that Adela should email back soon... need phone replaced/repaired
May 10 06:53:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> huh? lol
May 10 06:53:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they just put the app icon in the image frame where screenshots would normally go
May 10 06:53:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
May 10 06:53:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah lol
May 10 06:54:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> that was Adora's idea :P
May 10 06:54:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehehe
May 10 06:54:22 <Adora> what was my idea?
May 10 06:54:25 <Adora> was it a good idea?
May 10 06:54:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> uh... lol
May 10 06:54:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol.. the screenshot for the new app cat being the icon blown up :)
May 10 06:54:52 <halfhalo> are your idea's ever?
May 10 06:55:17 <Adora> my ideas are awesome!
May 10 06:55:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: have you ever restored your .palm directory after doctoring?
May 10 06:56:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Adora: I found out the other day that my school was *thisclose* to having a developer relationship with Palm, and then we went Apple :(
May 10 06:56:13 <halfhalo> umm... no?
May 10 06:56:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm thinking that because I did it, it borked my preware install
May 10 06:56:26 <Adora> IGNTNUNLMTD:  d'oh!
May 10 06:56:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> nooo
May 10 06:56:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: ok
May 10 06:56:45 <halfhalo> my school doesn't even HAVE a developer
May 10 06:56:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes they do
May 10 06:57:01 * PatrickC_Pre2 points to halfhalo
May 10 06:57:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> by "my school" I meant our CS department
May 10 06:57:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Wait until next Fall when I have my hands on a TouchPad
May 10 06:57:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 10 06:57:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they'll realize buying those iPads was a BIG mistake
May 10 06:57:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> Summer... not Fall :)
May 10 06:57:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> hahaha
May 10 06:57:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> biggest mistake ever
May 10 06:57:57 <halfhalo> I'm not what you would call a dev... psychopathic maniac with a tendency to type random letter that end up being working javascript, maybe.
May 10 06:58:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I know, but I'll only be able to show this CS department next September
May 10 06:58:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm counting on the TouchPad by my birthday
May 10 06:58:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna delete the .palm directory and start fresh
May 10 06:58:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Adora: June 22nd
May 10 06:58:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah cool
May 10 06:58:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 10 06:58:43 <Adora> OMG NO WAI
May 10 06:58:48 <Adora> that's MY birthday!
May 10 06:59:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> REALLY?!
May 10 06:59:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol, how about having the Pre3 to Sprint by Feb 27th ;)
May 10 06:59:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Okay, now you have TWO reasons to get the TouchPad out by then
May 10 06:59:39 <Adora> it's even on the facebooks:  http://www.facebook.com/lisa.brewster
May 10 06:59:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehehe
May 10 06:59:59 <halfhalo> we dont trust the facebooks.  not after the incident.
May 10 07:00:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> "the incident"? lol
May 10 07:00:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't see it :/
May 10 07:00:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> was that you tricking me into friending you? :P
May 10 07:01:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> its there :)
May 10 07:02:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> and you studied theatre? lol
May 10 07:02:19 <halfhalo> theoretically I have a final in 16 hours... sooooo bedtime for me
May 10 07:02:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> theoretically?
May 10 07:02:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya halfhalo lol
May 10 07:03:08 <halfhalo> theoretically as in you never know when there will be a bomb threat^H^H^Hunfortunate incident
May 10 07:03:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> Adora: seeing your religious views, you should have been here for our conversation earlier :)
May 10 07:03:45 <Adora> what are my religious views?
May 10 07:03:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> "Question Everything"
May 10 07:04:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> from facebook :)
May 10 07:04:10 <Adora> oh
May 10 07:04:11 <Adora> right
May 10 07:04:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 10 07:04:17 <Adora> SEE
May 10 07:04:21 <Adora> that was really a joke
May 10 07:04:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha
May 10 07:05:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to delete this .palm directory, but fears it will delete wIRC in the process
May 10 07:05:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I have to get to bed too
May 10 07:05:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> 2AM here
May 10 07:05:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
May 10 07:05:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> crap, 3 AM here
May 10 07:05:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 10 07:05:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and I don't even have Preware installed yet
May 10 07:05:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> FML
May 10 07:05:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 10 07:06:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> how do I remove a folder with the cmd line?
May 10 07:06:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> rm -f foldername
May 10 07:06:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> or rm -dir foldername
May 10 07:06:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> ?
May 10 07:08:05 <keith> rm -rf foldername
May 10 07:08:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks
May 10 07:08:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok bye
May 10 07:09:07 <dohtem> dont get in the habit of -f
May 10 07:09:10 <dohtem> arrgh
May 10 07:16:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Preware installed... it's showtime
May 10 12:49:50 <rizer> hey guys – i'm having serious emulator issues. i've tried the usual reinstalling the sdk, reinstalling virtualbox, restarting the computer, but it just hangs at the final "starting virtual machine" stage. not sure where to look to find out what's going wrong. anybody got any ideas?
May 10 13:15:16 <dawm_> 9hrs (between 2 days) beat portal 2 single player ;P
May 10 13:55:56 <phoque_uni> dawm_, yup, it's pretty short
May 10 13:55:59 <phoque_uni> like part 1
May 10 13:56:02 <phoque_uni> a pitty
May 10 13:56:16 <dawm_> uhh its longer than 1
May 10 13:58:16 <dawm_> like 2.5 times longer
May 10 14:06:52 <phoque_uni> well
May 10 14:06:59 <phoque_uni> I didnt mean "the same number of minutes"
May 10 14:07:02 <phoque_uni> but "both are short"
May 10 14:07:05 <phoque_uni> :-)
May 10 14:07:24 <phoque_uni> I haven't done the coop yet though
May 10 14:07:31 <phoque_uni> that'll be interesting too
May 10 14:11:09 <dawm_> yeah coop is said to be 6hr~ long
May 10 14:11:21 <dawm_> single player is 8hrs~
May 10 14:18:28 <stbuehler> i'm done with both and have less than 12hrs
May 10 14:21:48 <Hendikins> Did somebody say the Veer was 850/1900/2100 UMTS?
May 10 14:22:17 <Hendikins> If so, sounds like there is a chance Telstra could pick it up. Maybe. Possibly. Or at least not impossible.
May 10 14:22:28 <Hendikins> Although given the last Palm device they carried was the Treo Pro...
May 10 14:24:05 <rizer> any devs in here??
May 10 14:44:47 <m4dnificent> rizer: what kind of devs?
May 10 14:45:00 <m4dnificent> rizer: the ones that develop WebOS itself, or the ones that develop their applications?
May 10 14:45:04 <m4dnificent> s/their/its/
May 10 14:45:56 <rizer> either really – someone that could help me out with my emulator woes
May 10 14:46:19 <madnificent> what version of virtualbox are you running?
May 10 14:46:29 <rizer> 3.2.something
May 10 14:46:49 <madnificent> what does your emulator do? or what doesn't it do?
May 10 14:47:25 <rizer> so it gets to the point where it's set up the emulator but then just halts on "starting virtual machine"
May 10 14:47:37 <rizer> be halts i mean pauses
May 10 14:47:45 <rizer> doesn't do anything
May 10 14:47:48 <dohtem> my dev phone cant access the catalog anymore? anyone experience this?
May 10 14:48:06 <rizer> the virtualbox vm is just a black screen
May 10 14:48:49 <madnificent> what is a 'captive portal' ?
May 10 14:49:26 <madnificent> rizer: odd, I think I've heard that here before... what OS are you on?
May 10 14:50:02 <madnificent> dohtem: are you signed into a palm profile?  I have just had to sign another EULA (just now)
May 10 14:50:12 <dohtem> hmm...
May 10 14:50:58 <rizer> os x 10.6
May 10 14:51:11 <madnificent> rizer: hah! so I thought.  I think the former issue was about that as well.
May 10 14:51:17 <madnificent> now who's running OSX in this channel?
May 10 14:53:44 <madnificent> rizer: sorry, don't see a solution in the chatlogs... hope someone picks up the OS X tag and joins in to help you
May 10 14:54:08 <rizer> madnificent: cool, thanks for your help
May 10 14:54:52 <madnificent> yw, sorry I couldn't find the difinite solution
May 10 15:17:41 <maik> madnificent: i am
May 10 15:17:56 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: anything?
May 10 15:19:06 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: nope, today is mothers' day, so I don't expect it today as well. Don't worry, even if they try to deliver and don't find anybody at home, they leave a note :)
May 10 15:20:46 <haeffb> bummer. I'd have thought a week would be sufficient
May 10 15:27:06 <NuttyBunny> nah, don't worry, I'm used to it. USPS takes about a couple of weeks, if I'm lucky.  Coming from elsewhere takes even more.  I had forgotten about a fiber optic cable that I had bought in september... but it arrived in november (from HK)
May 10 15:27:32 <NuttyBunny> The problem is in the Mexico postal service
May 10 15:30:08 <RagingMind> ask whoever is shipping to hide small amounts of drugs in the package, it'll probably automatically upgrade it to overnight shipping
May 10 15:31:52 <RagingMind> sorry to troll and run, but it's food time.  bbiab
May 10 15:32:51 <halfhalo> are we making fun of mehico again?
May 10 15:34:43 * halfhalo wants in
May 10 15:35:41 <halfhalo> that gddm green pool....
May 10 15:41:16 <LoneStar99> que onda vatos
May 10 15:48:29 <dohtem> oooh.... http://music.google.com/music/
May 10 15:49:03 <hotdp> We're sorry. Music Beta is currently only available in the United States
May 10 15:50:06 <Simpson_2> is there a !seen bot ?
May 10 15:50:13 <Simpson_2> on this channel
May 10 15:50:14 <dohtem> hotdp: well you have spotify :)
May 10 15:50:21 <dohtem> Simpson_2: nope
May 10 15:50:35 <Simpson_2> then I won't try ;)
May 10 15:55:17 <summatusmentis> I'm betting they charge for storage
May 10 15:56:49 <hotdp> http://music.google.com/about/ LOL!
May 10 15:57:30 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp
May 10 15:57:41 <hotdp> hi LoneStar99!
May 10 16:39:54 <SineOt> Cool move on Google's part with saying that OHA partners will push updates to devices for up to 18 months after the device launch*
May 10 16:40:15 <SineOt> (* Assuming the 'hardware can handle it' which will probably be used a ton as a loophole to get out of doing updates)
May 10 16:41:11 <dohtem> yeah
May 10 16:41:17 <summatusmentis> yeh. The music cloud thing sounds really nice
May 10 16:42:23 <SineOt> Yeah, but it's pretty killer (as in death murder not awesome) that they didn't announce pricing.
May 10 16:43:01 <SineOt> Although a tiny part of me thinks its so they have room to wiggle around if Apple does launch iCloud/iTunes Cloud/something with that massive data center they've been building
May 10 16:43:12 <SineOt> And can then price compete based off whatever Apple decides to go with
May 10 16:44:03 <SineOt> morning Adora
May 10 16:45:18 <Loudergood> SineOt: you also missed the weasel words: "up to"
May 10 16:46:14 <SineOt> Well, yeah I'm just skimming it and not really paying too much attention
May 10 16:46:48 <SineOt> Adora: daily dose of cute http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkze40ptUY1qzs75go1_500.jpg
May 10 16:47:10 <halfhalo> oh god
May 10 16:52:35 <summatusmentis> SineOt: they've also got some precedence for charing for services (picasa, etc.)
May 10 16:52:53 <summatusmentis> are you guys watching Google's Android At Home framework demo?
May 10 16:53:16 <SineOt> Oh if they let you upload your music I'm positive there's going to be some charge involved to get anything beyond a basic, tiny slice of storage space
May 10 16:54:01 <summatusmentis> right, I guess my point was, they've already got pricing set (in some places)
May 10 16:54:20 <SineOt> Yeah
May 10 16:54:25 <SineOt> I get that haha :3
May 10 16:54:38 <SineOt> I think they just avoided nailing it down to match whatever Apple might throw out
May 10 16:55:12 <summatusmentis> I'm sure that's true
May 10 16:55:44 <summatusmentis> hey look, Google just used "over the next couple of weeks", can't be only palm >.>
May 10 16:58:58 <SineOt> Oh man, killer. Atom chips are rumored to be ditching the Intel Graphics stuff in favor of PowerVR chips.
May 10 16:59:15 <halfhalo> I so doubt it
May 10 16:59:20 <halfhalo> its not even funny
May 10 16:59:47 <SineOt> I'd love that. The GMA line they keep pairing Atoms with are terrible.
May 10 17:00:48 <dohtem> http://c9.io/  -- its like Ares
May 10 17:01:06 <halfhalo> meh
May 10 17:01:09 <halfhalo> its cloud9
May 10 17:01:15 <halfhalo> which is major meh
May 10 17:05:20 <SineOt> Why in the world is Google using "4.5 billion installs" as some kind of worthwhile metric?
May 10 17:11:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> installs on what?
May 10 17:11:23 <SineOt> dunno
May 10 17:11:30 <SineOt> doesn't say
May 10 17:11:44 <halfhalo> monkeys
May 10 17:11:53 <SineOt> 100 million activations (congrats! they finally caught up to iOS) and 4.5 billion installs
May 10 17:14:29 <halfhalo> I want to play the briiiinks
May 10 17:16:41 <dohtem> SineOt: Those are app installs from the Marketplace, iirc
May 10 17:17:05 <SineOt> ahhhh, that makes sense
May 10 17:18:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> quite a few
May 10 17:18:41 <halfhalo> hmm... I need to get a present... to thinkgeek!
May 10 17:21:10 <dkirker-pre> 'morning everyone
May 10 17:21:20 * halfhalo hides the goodies
May 10 17:22:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey dkirker-pre
May 10 17:22:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> get my email?
May 10 17:22:40 <halfhalo> http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e683/ interesting...
May 10 17:23:01 <dkirker-pre> PatrickC_Pre2: nope
May 10 17:23:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
May 10 17:23:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> universe decided it doesn't want to launch anymore
May 10 17:23:47 <dkirker-pre> unless it hit the spam box
May 10 17:24:36 <dkirker-pre> could you please use Lumberjack to get a log and mail that to me?
May 10 17:25:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what I sent :)
May 10 17:25:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> it looks like it didn't send
May 10 17:25:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll send it again
May 10 17:25:23 <dkirker-pre> ok
May 10 17:27:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
May 10 17:27:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> now I don't see the log
May 10 17:27:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> lemme check again
May 10 17:28:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, it didn't have the full log.. but it had a little bit of it
May 10 17:29:26 <SineOt> Interesting also: Apparently Google's cloud music service doesn't have a license deal with any labels
May 10 17:29:47 <SineOt> I think Apple's been rumored to have license deals with at least one or two labels
May 10 17:31:51 <dkirker-pre> PatrickC_Pre2: You're definitely using the version from github. I'd update it first.
May 10 17:35:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I had the 1.1.0 version from github, and it threw many more errors
May 10 17:35:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> and update how?
May 10 17:36:20 <dkirker-pre> probably don't use that
May 10 17:36:35 <dkirker-pre> use the one from the catalog, or go back on rev in github
May 10 17:37:00 <dkirker-pre> or make sure you are using the latest code from github
May 10 17:37:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have the 1.0.2, 1.0.4, 1.0.6, and 1.1.0 from github
May 10 17:37:25 <dkirker-pre> it is a bit newer than the App catalog and may have a few typos in it
May 10 17:37:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think it was saying something about Metrix
May 10 17:39:18 <dkirker-pre> however you are checking out the code, try it one more time.
May 10 17:39:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> I will
May 10 17:40:34 <dkirker-pre> i'm pretty sure I fixed it, or you'll have to go back to 1.06 for ow
May 10 17:40:42 <dwc-> 10:27 < SineOt> Interesting also: Apparently Google's cloud music service doesn't have a license deal with any labels
May 10 17:40:59 <dwc-> maybe they're going with the "music locker paradigm" which *shouldn't* need it if you're streaming your own damn music
May 10 17:41:03 <dwc-> well "own"
May 10 17:41:22 <dwc-> same paradigm that mp3tunes, etc have gone in with lawsuits
May 10 17:42:34 <SineOt> yeah, it's the locker paradigm, but just because you -shouldn't- need it doesn't mean the RIAA will let you
May 10 17:42:55 <dwc-> well, if google goes and gets license deals, that basically means they're caving to the RIAA ....
May 10 17:44:37 <SineOt> Or making sure the whole thing won't get locked in a legal quagmire for a long period of time
May 10 17:44:56 <SineOt> the RIAA is one of those terrible fucked if you do fucked if you don't type organizations :(
May 10 17:45:45 <dwc-> do you know whether amazon has any deals?
May 10 17:46:05 <SineOt> don't think they do
May 10 17:46:16 <SineOt> but I know the labels were less than happy with the Amazon Music Cloud
May 10 17:46:47 <dwc-> yea... then I would expect google to look at amazon's and go "hmm, if they don't have one either..."
May 10 17:47:05 <dwc-> maybe the combined amazon+google might will give the riaa a good whack
May 10 17:49:44 <SineOt> What I'm curious about is Google saying that their process doesn't requiring syncing
May 10 17:49:57 <SineOt> Which may imply that you don't need to wait for music to upload to the cloud
May 10 17:50:12 <SineOt> And that Google is providing, instead, a copy that's already up for you to stream to your device
May 10 17:50:23 <SineOt> That may be a huge sticking point for RIAA if it's done that way
May 10 17:50:27 <SineOt> but I don't know how it works
May 10 17:52:56 <dawm_> i wish photobucket would fix their crap to not absorb so much resources.. i mean seriously.. its just uploading pictures
May 10 17:53:12 <dawm_> FF is frozen
May 10 18:55:33 <NuttyBunny> Someone please chop my head off... it's killing me! :(
May 10 19:25:40 * NuttyBunny chops his own head off, ending the pain
May 10 19:26:00 <halfhalo> well then
May 10 19:26:32 * SineOt waits for NuttyBunny to grow a new one and for the now detached head to grow a new NuttyBunny. They're like lizards... Right?
May 10 19:26:48 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 10 19:28:52 <NuttyBunny> whoa
May 10 19:29:18 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> hey
May 10 19:29:57 <NuttyBunny> I'm booored and my head hurts and I still have to wait 30 minutes to go :S
May 10 19:31:04 <halfhalo> drugs will do that to you
May 10 19:32:21 <NuttyBunny> chup my head off? :)
May 10 19:32:27 <NuttyBunny> chop
May 10 19:32:34 <summatusmentis> dude, some of those drugs out there....
May 10 19:33:36 <SineOt> wouldn't surprise me! I'm sure some methhead or PCP addled fool has tried to saw their own head off
May 10 19:46:48 <leiru> hi
May 10 19:53:31 <madnificent> hello leiru
May 10 20:00:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> is precentral down for anyone else?
May 10 20:01:31 <hotdp> "502 Bad Gateway"
May 10 20:03:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
May 10 20:03:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dammit
May 10 20:03:19 <summatusmentis> on twitter: precentral> Yep, the site's down. Had a server failure, working to get everything back up and running as quickly as we can. Thanks for your patience!
May 10 20:05:47 <hotdp> what do you need it for? :D
May 10 20:06:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I wanted to see the "June For TouchPad" article again
May 10 20:06:57 <madnificent> IGNTNUNLMTD: take the rss feed, or is that down as well?
May 10 20:07:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> madnificent: that's what I realized after, I have it open in Socialite.
May 10 20:10:02 <madnificent> IGNTNUNLMTD: :D
May 10 20:10:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> question: how do I get this: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.semicolonapps.1reader.pro.beta
May 10 20:12:02 <SineOt> pretty sure you don't, the dev pulled 1reader
May 10 20:12:11 <dawm_> send it to your phone
May 10 20:12:21 <dawm_> enter that URL in the browser (on phone)
May 10 20:12:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, that's the "don't bug me about support" beta for those of us that know what we're doing
May 10 20:12:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I moved that URL to move phone via Neato! and it opened in the browser, then... nothing.
May 10 20:13:33 <dawm_> browser should open the app cat
May 10 20:13:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> didn't :/
May 10 20:13:57 <dawm_> then send it to phone
May 10 20:14:01 <dawm_> via txt
May 10 20:14:12 <dawm_> which jsut sends the url which the browser opens the app cat
May 10 20:19:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dawm_: Dammit, it was just the SSL
May 10 20:19:50 <dawm_> i thought so
May 10 20:19:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http:// vs https://
May 10 20:20:03 <dawm_> but i didnt think it was an issue since http redirects to https
May 10 20:20:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> w00t... keychain loaded
May 10 20:21:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> okay, next question... how to change the Exposition Time background?
May 10 20:37:28 <leiru> hm
May 10 20:37:56 <leiru> that time for an app being in review is horrible
May 10 20:38:09 <leiru> (for me)
May 10 20:38:31 <leiru> 3 months of work, maybe absolutly nothing worth
May 10 20:39:24 <leiru> 3 months developing after normal work, i must must say
May 10 20:40:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?
May 10 20:44:11 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: just submitted a really huge app on sunday.
May 10 20:44:24 <leiru> really huge for webOS dimensions
May 10 20:44:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and they told you it was going to take a while?
May 10 20:45:06 <leiru> no? but i think testing will take a while :)
May 10 20:45:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 10 20:45:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if you don't mind me asking, what's the app?
May 10 20:45:30 <leiru> there are 3 user levels, admin, co-worker and time tracker
May 10 20:46:25 <leiru> it's mite. touch - a beta preview is here: http://yfrog.com/z/hs2w6sp
May 10 20:46:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> holy crap... that looks AMAZING
May 10 20:47:01 <leiru> it's timetracking for freelancers and small teams
May 10 20:47:05 <leiru> based on the mite. api
May 10 20:47:28 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: yes, everyone says that, who uses webOS ;)
May 10 20:47:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what's the price tag on that?
May 10 20:47:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I could use that for my company
May 10 20:48:12 <leiru> 4.99 for the app, but you'll need a mite. account
May 10 20:48:29 <leiru> http://mite.yo.lk/en/
May 10 20:48:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow... any plans for TouchPad development?
May 10 20:49:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because our startup is getting TouchPads later this summer
May 10 20:49:30 <leiru> nope, not yet
May 10 20:49:50 <leiru> we'll want to see how it performs on mojo
May 10 20:50:58 <leiru> in the meanwhile i'll code my next mind blowing thign for webOS - with an rails webfrontend for browsers and mobile apps on webOS and maybe iphone
May 10 20:51:31 <summatusmentis> leiru: what is it?
May 10 20:51:57 <summatusmentis> I mean, if you can/will talk about it
May 10 20:52:26 <leiru> like mite. touch some really secret squirell stuff just before launch ;)
May 10 20:53:00 <summatusmentis> heh
May 10 20:53:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well it looks phenomenal, congratulations on the submission
May 10 20:53:36 <leiru> i'm really nervous if it will be available
May 10 20:53:43 <leiru> like at my first app ;)
May 10 20:54:18 <summatusmentis> I haven't finished my first app yet
May 10 20:55:15 <leiru> summatusmentis: just hang out less time here, more time in your editor/IDE :)
May 10 20:55:35 <summatusmentis> leiru: "less time being a full time student, more time in my editor"
May 10 20:55:54 <madnificent> summatusmentis: and with that idea, I move to another desktop and start lurking at some code
May 10 20:56:00 <summatusmentis> hah
May 10 20:56:04 <leiru> :D
May 10 20:56:44 <summatusmentis> although, had I known that someone in my webdev class would have re-written rails in javascript on the client side, instead of working on his rails project, and had I know that would've been ok
May 10 20:56:49 <summatusmentis> I would be much further along
May 10 20:57:22 <leiru> summatusmentis: node.js and it's modules?
May 10 20:57:47 <summatusmentis> leiru: I think technically he still had rails as a server app
May 10 20:57:50 <leiru> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#web-frameworks-full
May 10 20:57:58 <summatusmentis> but all the DB wrappers/etc. were client side
May 10 20:58:10 <halfhalo> why... thats... just... why...
May 10 20:58:46 <summatusmentis> dude, don't ask me
May 10 20:58:58 <leiru> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#database ?
May 10 21:00:03 <leiru> node.js is part of the client (webOS) since version 2
May 10 21:00:47 <halfhalo> node is not client side
May 10 21:01:48 <leiru> if you wrap it in a service on webOS2 and let it connect to a node-js weserver it is-
May 10 21:01:51 <halfhalo> there is no way for it to run in a client
May 10 21:02:19 <halfhalo> no, node in that case is running in the background and the service bridge connects the node server and client
May 10 21:03:04 <leiru> okay if i would be subtle: it is server to server conenction then.
May 10 21:03:07 <leiru> :|
May 10 21:03:10 <stbuehler> oO
May 10 21:03:14 <stbuehler> a server can be a client too
May 10 21:03:25 <stbuehler> many http servers are fastcgi clients for example
May 10 21:03:51 <leiru> stbuehler: that's not part of our quirkyness discussion! :))
May 10 21:04:40 <leiru> stbuehler: but, i am right with you, maybe you'll discuss this with halfhalo further.
May 10 21:05:12 <halfhalo> if you manage to get node running inside a web client, I will give you a cookie.
May 10 21:06:05 <leiru> maybe our defenition of client is different.
May 10 21:06:05 <stbuehler> i have better things to do, but i assure you it would be easy.. just create a new thread and run a node event loop :)
May 10 21:06:20 <stbuehler> oh , that too
May 10 21:06:29 <stbuehler> http client = web client? :D
May 10 21:07:07 <leiru> for me the client is the part who is requesting something
May 10 21:07:24 <leiru> so a client can be a server who is requesting something
May 10 21:07:57 <leiru> your definition means a plain browser i think?
May 10 21:08:02 <halfhalo> by client in this regard I mean web client, which would be anything that can be run in a standard browser environment, which in this case would be any website and any straight up mojo applications.
May 10 21:09:22 <stbuehler> well, separate processes are just an implementation of the needed api, so i think node services are run in the mojo app environment
May 10 21:10:07 <leiru> as i develop many services requsting feeds from other servers, i tend to call severs also clients in that chain in that context.
May 10 21:13:15 <halfhalo> stbuehler: see, I don't, since the node code is not run by the mojo framework.  Its run by a seperate on device system that then talks to the app using the palm bridge.  For me to say that mojo ran node, it would have to handle everything
May 10 21:28:34 * halfhalo now has an idea on how to make them play a little nicer... hmmm
May 10 21:33:31 <leiru> madnificent: had a minor update at compress-my-mojo: converted everything in 2 tabs intendation
May 10 21:33:48 <leiru> was mixed 3/2 tabs
May 10 21:40:55 <PuffTheMagic> Adora, wirc still not deleted according to "MyApps", tomorrow will be the 3 week projected deadline, someone is cutting it close ;)
May 10 21:54:13 <dohtem> http://www.precentral.net/kerris-hp-reps-say-june-touchpad-and-pre-3
May 10 21:55:38 <summatusmentis> hrm, this makes my budget cry
May 10 21:55:41 <summatusmentis> I was planning on august
May 10 21:56:57 <dohtem> Sell sexual favors
May 10 21:57:52 <Loudergood> I'm sure they'll still be selling them in august ;)
May 10 21:57:52 <summatusmentis> that'll make me cry
May 10 21:57:58 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes
May 10 21:59:11 <dohtem> a month and a half... I hope it's true
May 10 22:00:14 <summatusmentis> they definitely will
May 10 22:00:28 <summatusmentis> I might try and push it back a bit, and see if sprint gets a different webos device
May 10 22:00:43 <summatusmentis> people keep talking about an all-touchscreen phone
May 10 22:00:51 <Tibfib> "Use this area to offer a short teaser of your email's content. Text here will show in the preview area of some email clients and in Facebook news feed" oops.
May 10 22:05:24 <madnificent> summatusmentis: I hope it doesn't arrive
May 10 22:06:05 <summatusmentis> @madnificent how come? you want the pre3 on sprint instead?
May 10 22:06:06 <madnificent> summatusmentis: and I was also planning on august...  We'll see what turns up in June then :)
May 10 22:06:37 <madnificent> summatusmentis: I'm not on sprint.  I just want HP/Palm to create great devices... and not having a keyboard is a bad choice imho.
May 10 22:07:25 <summatusmentis> oh
May 10 22:07:35 <summatusmentis> well, it's where the trends in the market are going
May 10 22:07:39 <summatusmentis> definitively
May 10 22:07:43 <summatusmentis> and it's what consumers seem to want
May 10 22:07:54 <madnificent> the market also went to glossy widescreens... that wasn't a good choice either!
May 10 22:07:58 * madnificent gets pissed because of that
May 10 22:08:07 <summatusmentis> heh
May 10 22:08:24 <summatusmentis> clearly enough people thought it was a good choice
May 10 22:08:25 <madnificent> seriously, customers buy what you make them buy... so why continously produce idiotic ideas?
May 10 22:08:45 <summatusmentis> in theory, customers get a choice in what they buy
May 10 22:09:04 <madnificent> people don't even know what feedback is... sometimes you need to enlighten them instead of brainwash them by idiotic commercials
May 10 22:09:30 <summatusmentis> perhaps
May 10 22:39:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> madnificent: talking about Apple re: the commercials?
May 11 00:28:03 <madnificent> IGNTNUNLMTD: It's hard to find commercials to which it doesn't apply
May 11 01:31:56 <Guest78909> I wonder what company palm use for market research
May 11 01:33:44 <Guest78909> Because I don't understand how they concluded that the masses are interested in a tiny phone with poor battery life, irreplaceable battery, and an attachment for a headset
May 11 01:34:04 <Guest78909> Reviewers are killing it
May 11 01:37:51 <bpadalino> most webos lovers are masochists .. so maybe they are marketing towards what works?
May 11 01:39:58 <Loudergood> that dovetails nicely with linux on the desktop users
May 11 01:40:53 <summatusmentis> Guest78909: reviewers don't like it, seemingly, because they compare to a pre
May 11 01:40:57 <bpadalino> good point!
May 11 01:41:10 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure the veer is drastically different than the pixi
May 11 01:41:15 <summatusmentis> in terms of specs/quality
May 11 01:42:24 <summatusmentis> the pixi seemed to seel relatively well anyway
May 11 01:44:54 <NuttyBunny> summatusmentis: It's even faster than the Pre, so, it's much better than the Pixi :)
May 11 01:45:24 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: I guess I meant "on par with"
May 11 01:45:33 <summatusmentis> given current devices on the market
May 11 01:45:48 <summatusmentis> yes, the specs are better than an OG Pre
May 11 01:46:08 <summatusmentis> (I also forget that the OG Pre was clocked to 500, I always use 1ghz)
May 11 01:46:11 <NuttyBunny> ah, yeah, it's pretty different from the other devices in that aspect
May 11 01:51:58 * madnificent would like to touch a Veer, seems like an interesting device
May 11 01:53:26 <madnificent> also, some patch (I presume) killed the lights on my WebOS 2.1 gesture area.  Only advanced system patches have been installed IIRC (one other for messaging, I think).  Any ideas on how to reenable it?
May 11 02:01:20 <PatrickC_Pre> madnificent: you here?
May 11 02:02:26 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone know of a tasks app that syncs with multiple devices? kinda like Noted does with notes?
May 11 02:05:36 <madnificent> I am
May 11 02:05:50 <PatrickC_Pre> is tasks@hand open source?
May 11 02:05:53 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: I don't do sync yet, will probably come in later
May 11 02:05:55 <madnificent> no it isn't
May 11 02:06:04 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
May 11 02:06:18 <PatrickC_Pre> and something to think about, just type integration
May 11 02:07:02 <madnificent> yeah, I think I know how I want that, but I need to focus my resources.  I think the tablet is the first thing to look at right now.
May 11 02:07:15 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah
May 11 02:07:21 <madnificent> However, palm has given me the Pre2, so now I want tasks@hand to interact much nicer with it :)
May 11 02:07:26 <PatrickC_Pre> especially with a June release :)
May 11 02:07:32 <PatrickC_Pre> hehe
May 11 02:07:45 <PatrickC_Pre> I have a pre2 (wich is getting a replacement)
May 11 02:08:53 * madnificent should define the new interface on paper, that'll probably bring things up to speed...
May 11 02:09:22 <madnificent> then again, university is suffering as I need to pick what I do...
May 11 02:09:27 <madnificent> and now, I pick sleep
May 11 02:09:31 <madnificent> good night and have fun #webos
May 11 02:09:39 <PatrickC_Pre> cya
May 11 02:10:10 <madnificent> cya PatrickC_Pre
May 11 02:11:59 * halfhalo sues
May 11 02:16:24 <PatrickC_Pre> ok.…..
May 11 02:18:03 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone looking to sync tasks between multiple devices and your PC... use Hiveminder
May 11 02:18:06 <PatrickC_Pre> it's awesome
May 11 02:18:12 * PatrickC_Pre and it's not my app..
May 11 02:24:57 <haeffb> PatrickC_Pre: the maker of Noted also makes Done that syncs with Toodledo
May 11 02:39:45 <PatrickC_Pre> haeffb: is that a pay-for?
May 11 02:41:49 <oil> yes, now send haeffb your money
May 11 02:42:42 <PatrickC_Pre> send haeffb my money? haeffb is the dev? lol
May 11 02:47:23 <oil> im pretty sure
May 11 02:47:32 <oil> unless i've got devs all mixed up
May 11 02:48:46 <PatrickC_Pre> haeffb: if you are the dev, did you see my review on Noted?
May 11 02:52:57 <NuttyBunny> Gotta go. See ya on thursday, tomorrow will be a very busy day ;)
May 11 02:53:16 <PatrickC_Pre> cya
May 11 02:56:18 <PatrickC_Pre> I have something I want to do  to one of my pay-for apps, and also want feedback on other stuff to do to it
May 11 02:56:31 <PatrickC_Pre> who wants to help? I'll send the IPK out in the next few days
May 11 02:57:06 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre: most peeps call em paid apps... jsyk
May 11 02:57:47 <PatrickC_Pre> Tibfib: ok lol
May 11 02:57:55 <PatrickC_Pre> PM me if interested
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