**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 11 02:59:58 2011
May 11 03:04:37 <PatrickC_Pre> guess no one wants to?
May 11 03:15:03 <dawm_> hrm
May 11 03:15:12 <PatrickC_Pre> what?
May 11 03:15:31 <dawm_> lots of failed transactions..
May 11 03:15:41 <PatrickC_Pre> how do you see thatn
May 11 03:15:45 <PatrickC_Pre> that? *
May 11 03:16:14 <dawm_> if you have a paid app, in the portal click on the download count
May 11 03:16:18 <dawm_> daily reports
May 11 03:16:22 <PatrickC_Pre> cool
May 11 03:16:29 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm gonna check that out
May 11 03:16:47 <dawm_> so umm.. out of the 5 purchases this month.. 5 have failed
May 11 03:16:55 <PatrickC_Pre> not good
May 11 03:17:22 * PatrickC_Pre is lucky to get 5 purchases in 1 month
May 11 03:17:44 <PatrickC_Pre> but with a feedback team I'm trying to build, it'll get better :)
May 11 03:17:46 <dawm_> oh my only paid app is way way old, and with no new customers that means no new buyers
May 11 03:18:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> which app?
May 11 03:18:28 <dawm_> swap & drop
May 11 03:18:40 <PatrickC_Pre> out of 37 downloads, I have 2 complete transactions?!
May 11 03:19:36 <PatrickC_Pre> oh.. wait.. Failed Transaction means that they haven't paid yet
May 11 03:19:42 <PatrickC_Pre> or it hasn't cleared.. phew
May 11 03:20:52 <dawm_> this crap is broke..
May 11 03:21:04 <dawm_> total downloads 39, updates/restores 36
May 11 03:21:11 <dawm_> so that leaves 3 right?
May 11 03:21:15 <PatrickC_Pre> wow.. yeah
May 11 03:21:24 <dawm_> total app sales 1, credit cards 1, failed transactions 2
May 11 03:21:28 <PatrickC_Pre> mine have no updates/restores for this month
May 11 03:21:30 <dawm_> so what about that 3rd person
May 11 03:21:38 <PatrickC_Pre> fail transacrion == not paid yet
May 11 03:21:58 <dawm_> they dont use the word fail for that
May 11 03:22:04 <dawm_> they use the word settled and unsettled
May 11 03:22:31 <PatrickC_Pre> look at the little * next to the word failed, and then look for the little * with the definition
May 11 03:22:39 <dawm_> i have fails on days there were no downloads
May 11 03:22:45 <dawm_> * = UNPAID
May 11 03:22:50 <dawm_> meaning you dont get paid for it
May 11 03:23:03 <dawm_> see Your Promo*
May 11 03:23:10 <dawm_> you dont make money off the app via promo code
May 11 03:23:24 <dawm_> you also dont make money if it failed
May 11 03:23:25 <PatrickC_Pre> this needs to be reported..
May 11 03:23:36 <dawm_> or better explained
May 11 03:23:42 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah
May 11 03:23:47 <dawm_> they always gotta be messing with the numbers..
May 11 03:24:04 <PatrickC_Pre> and of course, they don't explain it in the help section.....
May 11 03:24:11 <dawm_> back after the 50% off promo
May 11 03:24:22 <dawm_> i was still getting settled transactions at 50% off
May 11 03:24:42 <PatrickC_Pre> they take up to 7 days to settle iirc
May 11 03:24:57 <dawm_> yeah well i didnt get the 50% from Palm on those
May 11 03:25:08 <dawm_> was only a couple bucks but still.. always messing with the numbers
May 11 03:25:12 <PatrickC_Pre> ...
May 11 03:25:16 <PatrickC_Pre> that stinks
May 11 03:25:17 <dawm_> cause they settled after the promo was over
May 11 03:25:43 <PatrickC_Pre> you gonna report it, or should I?
May 11 03:26:01 <dawm_> ill wait till i have a months worth of data
May 11 03:26:45 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm just gonna ask for a better explanation
May 11 03:26:49 <dawm_> yeah
May 11 03:27:10 <dawm_> so the other night i went out on a 'date' with an ex
May 11 03:27:23 <dawm_> i checked in 4sq and published to facebook
May 11 03:27:36 <dawm_> she got a text from facebook notifying her of my activity..
May 11 03:27:46 <dawm_> i dont like that
May 11 03:27:50 <dawm_> stalker..
May 11 03:27:56 <PatrickC_Pre> wow...
May 11 03:27:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wait... how?
May 11 03:28:24 <PatrickC_Pre> you can sign up to be notified by txt when someone does something
May 11 03:28:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you can have facebook update you whenever someone you designate does something?
May 11 03:28:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what. the. hell.
May 11 03:28:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> new low
May 11 03:28:46 <summatusmentis> facebook's "Places" feature allows you to check someone else in
May 11 03:28:47 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah
May 11 03:28:54 <summatusmentis> you can turn off that feature in your own profile
May 11 03:29:36 <PatrickC_Pre> now that people are active :)
May 11 03:29:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> still, that's f'd up
May 11 03:30:02 <dawm_> it coulda been 4sq
May 11 03:30:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sometimes I think the FB staff are just really good trolls
May 11 03:30:11 <dawm_> i dunno, i didnt really wanna ask
May 11 03:30:12 <PatrickC_Pre>  I have something I want to do to one of my paid apps, and also want feedback on other stuff to do to it.. who wants to help? I'll send the IPK out in the next few days
May 11 03:30:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with certain features
May 11 03:30:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> category of app?
May 11 03:30:47 <PatrickC_Pre> flashlight/strobe and soundboard
May 11 03:31:01 <PatrickC_Pre> but the flashlight/strobe will be done first
May 11 03:31:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what sort of feedback would that require?
May 11 03:32:07 <PatrickC_Pre> just feature requests, and what you think of it
May 11 03:32:17 <PatrickC_Pre> how to improve it, etc.
May 11 03:33:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I can take a look but only after Thursday at 5 PM
May 11 03:33:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 11 03:33:29 <PatrickC_Pre> if interested, PM me your email :)
May 11 03:34:37 <dawm_> veer has 2.1.2
May 11 03:35:03 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
May 11 03:35:17 <PatrickC_Pre> and the pre3/touchpad launch is probably in June
May 11 03:35:59 <dawm_> pre3 hasnt popped up in my logs but once
May 11 03:36:36 <dawm_> But both 'Pre3' and 'Device' were running Nova-Catfish
May 11 03:38:47 <PatrickC_Pre> 'Device' that says a lot :P
May 11 03:39:06 <PatrickC_Pre> nova-catfish is probably 2.2/2.3/3.0
May 11 04:36:51 <SineOt> Digital Color Meter: The unsung hero of design on OSX.
May 11 04:37:05 <SineOt> Digital Color Meter on 10.7: FFUUUUUU THEY TOOK AWAY MY COLOR LOCK :B
May 11 04:37:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ QFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
May 11 04:37:40 <summatusmentis> was it you being all pushy about f.lux and color profiles?
May 11 04:38:25 <SineOt> Was I that pushy? :p
May 11 04:39:07 <summatusmentis> I mean, not overly, but you got me to do it
May 11 04:39:16 <SineOt> Hah. Well yes. :]
May 11 04:39:22 <summatusmentis> and now I hate picking up another macbook :)
May 11 04:39:52 <SineOt> Ugh, man… Digital Color Meter is totally useless now, this sucks. You can't lock on a selected color, nor can you choose any information display other than a calibrated RGB.
May 11 04:40:01 <SineOt> You used to be able to pull colors straight to hex.
May 11 04:41:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> CALIBRATED RGB ONLY?
May 11 04:41:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm switching to Windows 7
May 11 04:41:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's settled.
May 11 04:41:40 * summatusmentis is still running 10.5
May 11 04:42:28 <SineOt> Well, rather. You have your choice of Display Native, Display in sRGB, Display in Generic RGB, and Display in Adobe RGB
May 11 04:42:35 <PatrickC_Pre> IGNTNUNLMTD: what were you on? lol
May 11 04:42:52 <SineOt> Before you were able to do like, CMYK, RGB Hex, all sorts of WAY more useful stuff.
May 11 04:43:11 <summatusmentis> well yeah, Apple has decided for you
May 11 04:43:52 <summatusmentis> that's what they're good at
May 11 04:44:01 <SineOt> Double boo. The one from 10.6 won't run.
May 11 07:47:31 <dohtem> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/11/android-0-click-nfc-sharing-demonstrated-in-ice-cream-sandwich/ <- Android does Touch to Share
May 11 08:43:10 <madnificent> moin #webos.  Did anyone have an idea an the lightbar issue? (after patching with advanced patches, it doesn't light up (often enough) anymore)
May 11 14:01:38 * PatrickC_Pre yawns
May 11 14:01:41 <PatrickC_Pre> morning all
May 11 14:02:34 <dawm> http://destroyed.moby.com/ <- live stream of the new album
May 11 14:39:46 <halfhalo> on a scale of one to ffffffffffffffff my head is a 5 of pain right now
May 11 14:42:42 <madnificent> halfhalo: seems quite acceptable, is it hexadecimal or a bigger format?
May 11 14:48:59 <halfhalo> ..
May 11 14:49:15 <halfhalo> oh, I have mini knife with me today!
May 11 14:51:03 <halfhalo> only a 2" blade, but its light at sharp.
May 11 14:52:06 <halfhalo> why I have a knife at school is a whole different ballgame that has to do with ios
May 11 14:55:38 <halfhalo> and ADA.  which sucks.  but making app gets me arund the ADA, which is nice.  I do wish I could dev for webos for this tho...
May 11 14:57:41 * halfhalo is rambling due to lack of sleep again...
May 11 15:02:35 <chasecrum> I read on google that this particular channel has HP people (or at least people familiar with HP servers) is that right ?
May 11 15:08:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> or you can leave...
May 11 15:10:11 <halfhalo> people be impatient
May 11 15:22:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm... I know how to make a desktop site.. now how do I make it detect a mobile browser.. and display differently
May 11 15:23:41 <halfhalo> most commonly using a premade way using useragents
May 11 15:24:06 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't understand that.. will gogle
May 11 15:24:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> google*
May 11 15:24:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm using a free hosting service, with a subdomain, 5GB storage (I believe per site, with unlimited subdomains) 50GB bandwidth
May 11 15:25:06 <halfhalo> making a desktop site work natively on mobile be better imo
May 11 15:25:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I have to get the desktop site to work naively on the desktop first ;)
May 11 15:25:59 <halfhalo> is it a dynamic site?
May 11 15:26:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> huh?
May 11 15:26:21 * PatrickC_Pre2 has only used pre-made sites up to now
May 11 15:26:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm finally getting my hands into pure HTML/CSS goodness :)
May 11 15:26:49 <halfhalo> is it pure html or is php/rails/etc
May 11 15:27:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> pure HTML right now
May 11 15:27:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to learn PHP before I can code in it lol
May 11 15:27:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> its a tutorial site.. http://simpletuorials.zzl.org
May 11 15:29:35 * halfhalo generally ends up wrting something in html, then wrapping it with background code.
May 11 15:31:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey NuttyBunny!
May 11 15:31:21 <NuttyBunny> Hey!
May 11 15:31:39 <halfhalo> I totally realised something yesterday.  rails 3 switched to using js to excecute some http method stuff so some of my links were not working properly
May 11 15:33:06 * PatrickC_Pre2 hopes to get this site up soon :)
May 11 15:34:00 <halfhalo> I also get to completely remake the jqueryui modal box using straight up ecmascript 5 stuff.  good times....
May 11 15:36:40 <halfhalo> grrrr ei6
May 11 15:36:47 <halfhalo> ie6*
May 11 15:38:39 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: why in the name of... why are you using ie6??
May 11 15:38:58 <halfhalo> I do webdev for a college... :\
May 11 15:39:08 <NuttyBunny> argh..
May 11 15:39:21 <halfhalo> have to support it for some stuff, plus comply with the ADA
May 11 15:40:04 <NuttyBunny> yep... stupid dinosaur, I just hate it
May 11 15:41:21 <halfhalo> general work policy is major revison minus one as the last supported browser version
May 11 15:49:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> site is ready for publishing :D
May 11 15:49:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> now.. I just need to configure FileZilla to do it
May 11 15:59:56 <haeffb> if (9 - 1 === 6) {halfhalo = is_supporting_the_correct_version};
May 11 16:01:32 <Loudergood> even on xp it's 8 - 1
May 11 16:03:29 <halfhalo> certain apps are mandated to be ie6, the rest only are supported by 8 and above
May 11 16:19:56 <Loudergood> given the dialup portion of my customer base I have to always keep ie6 in mind
May 11 16:27:10 <sugardave> holy crap, there are gray clouds filling the sky!  what horrible omen is this?
May 11 16:34:19 <NuttyBunny> sugardave, you don't say... here in Mexico we have 50% of rain probability, and I'm going to the U2 concert :P
May 11 16:38:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 loves CSS it makes life so much easier!! :D
May 11 16:50:45 <sugardave> NuttyBunny: I don't believe in rain.
May 11 16:50:52 <sugardave> The clouds mock me
May 11 16:55:00 * Loudergood sends sugardave some snow
May 11 16:56:02 <sugardave> 2 tons please, I could use it for my lawn
May 11 16:56:19 <sugardave> dry, crispy, and dead is what I will get, though
May 11 16:59:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to finish his site
May 11 17:15:06 <halfhalo> what is this rain you speak of
May 11 17:16:36 * halfhalo goes to get some from amazon
May 11 17:19:26 <LoneStar99> rain
May 11 17:21:34 <Loudergood> yeah we've had enough rain here...the lake by my parents house is 3 feet over flood stage
May 11 17:22:12 <LoneStar99> Loudergood: damn no rain herre in so cal
May 11 17:22:25 <halfhalo> thats because socal rocks
May 11 17:22:52 <Loudergood> the 125 mile x 14 mile lake
May 11 17:23:11 <Loudergood> so please, come get some water
May 11 17:25:36 <phoque_uni> awww, shite
May 11 17:25:55 <phoque_uni> using style="-webkit-transform:..." in a drawer makes the element visible even if the drawer is closed
May 11 17:26:50 <LoneStar99> Loudergood:   damn that lake is huge... what lake is that?
May 11 17:27:05 <Loudergood> lake champlain
May 11 17:27:25 <Loudergood> the causeways and ferry docks are pretty much under water
May 11 17:27:59 <LoneStar99> Loudergood: i have heard of that lake.. what state? washington?
May 11 17:28:16 <Loudergood> it's up between vermont and new york
May 11 17:29:45 <LoneStar99> Loudergood: oh ok, i wrote washington, cause it rains alot in seattle...
May 11 18:02:20 <LoneStar99> anyone kno how many webos 2.x devices are in circulation around the world?
May 11 18:02:43 <avarus> not enough for you to become rich with a webos app
May 11 18:02:55 <hotdp> aha
May 11 18:03:04 <SineOt> "Not as many as 1.x devices"
May 11 18:03:44 <hotdp> less then iOS
May 11 18:04:33 <LoneStar99> avarus: if I compile my app for 1.x can it be installed in 2.x devces?
May 11 18:04:52 <avarus> you develop with the webos 2 sdk
May 11 18:05:03 <LoneStar99> yeah,
May 11 18:05:06 <avarus> so if they run on webos 1 they run on webos2 :P
May 11 18:05:20 <avarus> the other way around I don't know
May 11 18:05:31 <avarus> if you use webos 2 features, well...your guess :)
May 11 18:05:47 <LoneStar99> pck as 2.x --> 1.x users can not download it
May 11 18:06:08 <halfhalo> 1.x apps work on 2.x
May 11 18:06:27 <LoneStar99> halfhalo: yeah will repackage my apps as 1.x
May 11 18:07:10 <avarus> :)
May 11 18:07:32 <avarus> what's your app? a useful mediaplayer that doesn't need minutes to read a 100mb mp3? :P
May 11 18:07:51 <LoneStar99> avarus nope an chat app
May 11 18:08:06 <avarus> a chat app? sms replacement like whatsapp?
May 11 18:08:36 * NuttyBunny signs as a beta tester for the whatsapp port that LoneStar99 will do :D
May 11 18:08:44 <avarus> :P
May 11 18:08:48 <NuttyBunny> there, send me the ipk
May 11 18:08:50 <NuttyBunny> hahahahaa
May 11 18:10:36 <LoneStar99> i guess firewall at this coffee shop does not allow me to stream music from shoutcast =(
May 11 18:11:05 <avarus> sometimes shoutcast doesn't work
May 11 18:11:15 <avarus> at least for me
May 11 18:11:48 <LoneStar99> using my mexican nokia phone with builtin FM radio instead
May 11 18:12:01 <LoneStar99> and built in flashlight
May 11 18:12:05 <avarus> haha, mine is still "made in finland" :P
May 11 18:12:24 <LoneStar99> it is made in finland, but got it in MX
May 11 18:12:38 <avarus> ah ok...newer ones were built in romania btw. ;)
May 11 18:12:57 <LoneStar99> oh maybe romania
May 11 18:13:21 <LoneStar99> made in china =(
May 11 18:13:23 <NuttyBunny> E61: "Made in Finland"
May 11 18:13:26 <avarus> omg
May 11 18:13:33 <avarus> E63 here :)
May 11 18:13:47 <avarus> my bosch 909 is "made in denmark" :D
May 11 18:13:48 <LoneStar99> mine is some cheap phone
May 11 18:13:59 <hotdp> UHH
May 11 18:14:03 <hotdp> Denmark is good
May 11 18:14:05 <hotdp> VERY good
May 11 18:14:26 <avarus> dunno but it still works though I replaced the battery after 11 years
May 11 18:14:37 <hotdp> 1999 !
May 11 18:14:42 <NuttyBunny> Palm Pre Plus: Made in China
May 11 18:14:44 <hotdp> damn its a old phone
May 11 18:14:44 <avarus> yarr
May 11 18:14:52 <hotdp> blue display?
May 11 18:15:07 <avarus> no, green, wait...there were two 909 models
May 11 18:15:14 <hotdp> thats pimping!
May 11 18:15:19 <avarus> one that looks really old and one that's a bit more modern :P
May 11 18:15:42 <avarus> http://www.interstar.ua/mobile/img/phones/bosch_909_dual_s_main.jpg <-- that's what you are thinking about
May 11 18:15:58 <avarus> http://www.handy-sammler.de/Images/bosch_909.jpg <-- and that's what I mean :)
May 11 18:17:32 <hotdp> ohh
May 11 18:17:44 <hotdp> the blue one is pimping
May 11 18:17:56 <hotdp> can it sms?
May 11 18:18:03 <avarus> yes
May 11 18:19:13 <avarus> brb, need to get some beer :P
May 11 18:19:25 <LoneStar99> did anyone ever get a free dev palm pre plus?
May 11 18:19:51 <avarus> just buy one, it's ultra cheap
May 11 18:19:58 * NuttyBunny raises hand
May 11 18:20:01 <avarus> 159 eur today
May 11 18:20:06 <avarus> incl. shipping
May 11 18:20:11 <avarus> not branded, not locked
May 11 18:20:20 <avarus> but ugly as hell :P
May 11 18:22:17 <LoneStar99> avarus: i will wait for the Veer =) or Pre 2 dev
May 11 18:24:42 <Loudergood> I don't think they're ugly but man do they scratch easily
May 11 18:24:54 <SineOt> Yeah, the plastic scratches pretty easily
May 11 18:25:00 <SineOt> Yeah, the plastic scratches pretty easily
May 11 18:25:04 <SineOt> Oops.
May 11 18:25:11 <Loudergood> you don't have to tell me again
May 11 18:25:13 <SineOt> The glass on the Veer and Pre2 and Pre3 is a lot nicer.
May 11 18:25:24 <SineOt> Yeah kind of hamfisted the keyboard and did something, IDK what.
May 11 18:25:43 <Loudergood> yeah, I like how they rounded the edges of the display on the veer a little more though
May 11 18:26:24 <SineOt> I like the Veer in general really. Although one thing I hadn't really thought of is how you can't hide the quicklaunch bar any more.
May 11 18:26:37 <SineOt> That on the Pixi makes it a LOT nicer to use. Looks so much less cluttered.
May 11 18:27:01 <SineOt> So I can see where Joshua Topolosky or however you spell it was saying that 2.0 on the Veer looks cluttered in day to day use.
May 11 18:40:20 <cxreg> i saw a precentral post saying webos 2+ could not be patched to increase icons per launcher page, any idea why?
May 11 18:40:48 <SineOt> because the launcher is now a binary
May 11 18:41:11 <cxreg> i thought the apps were all written in node.js now
May 11 18:41:18 <sugardave> LoneStar99: I think they already had a dev Pre 2 signup
May 11 18:41:32 <SineOt> nope
May 11 18:41:45 <cxreg> that's a bummer
May 11 18:41:50 <SineOt> the launcher is written in QT to make use of hardware acceleration
May 11 18:41:52 <sugardave> cxreg: only services are node.js
May 11 18:42:17 <cxreg> so the apps are now what, closed source compiled C code?
May 11 18:42:49 <SineOt> no, only the launcher is QT. Mail, Browser, etc are all still plain ol' webOS javascript
May 11 18:42:56 <cxreg> oh right ok
May 11 18:43:10 <cxreg> still a pre+ user here
May 11 18:43:22 <cxreg> pondering side-loading
May 11 18:43:26 <SineOt> and you aren't running 2.1 on your Pre+? :P
May 11 18:43:31 <cxreg> no :p
May 11 18:43:46 <cxreg> actually, the phone is dying, i think it has some bad ram
May 11 18:43:52 <cxreg> trying to hold out for the pre3
May 11 18:44:08 <SineOt> Bad RAM? what makes you think that?
May 11 18:44:46 <cxreg> very odd glitchy behavior, unpredictable, continued after a doctor
May 11 18:45:04 <cxreg> definitely hardware, ram is just a guess
May 11 18:45:22 <LoneStar99> sugardave: yeah have a coupon code, just need to purchase the device before june
May 11 18:45:50 <dohtem> LoneStar99: the $200 off one?
May 11 18:46:16 <LoneStar99> dohtem: yeah
May 11 18:46:41 <LoneStar99> got months ago
May 11 18:47:23 <bebna> Hi guys is it possible to develop a bluetooth remote controller for presentations for webos?
May 11 18:47:55 <SineOt> possible? yeah
May 11 18:48:47 <bebna> so their is a way to access bluetooth?
May 11 18:49:29 <sugardave> there is bt SPP support in webOS 2.x, I believe
May 11 18:50:10 <SineOt> yup, bluetooth SPP via service calls exists in webOS 2.x
May 11 18:51:10 <bebna> ok, i found it, it seems to webos 2.x only, hmm
May 11 18:52:31 <sugardave> yes
May 11 18:52:53 <SineOt> yup, just like I said :p
May 11 18:53:15 <dohtem> hows about avrcp?
May 11 18:53:56 <sugardave> doubtful, but I don't reaaly know
May 11 18:54:34 <SineOt> AVRCP exists in 1.x yeah
May 11 18:54:41 <SineOt> but it's kind of half baked from what I remember
May 11 18:54:54 <SineOt> and only lets you control the device, and not use the device to control something else
May 11 19:08:04 <SineOt> Booo. Google's Chromebook monthly plans are apparently only for bulk ordering.
May 11 19:09:03 <SineOt> But geez, 28$ a month for hardware? That's pretty killer. You end up paying less than retail for hardware as a service that includes upgrades down the line
May 11 19:09:33 <dohtem> did you see the webGL demo?
May 11 19:10:01 <SineOt> Yeah, I'm going to play with it when I get home and on my Mini
May 11 19:10:36 <SineOt> I will say that it makes the fact that the Chromebooks have dual core Atoms in them make a little more sense
May 11 19:10:45 <summatusmentis> I've seen some things suggesting that WebGL is quite insecure
May 11 19:11:38 <dohtem> They say facebook is too... doesn't stop 300 million people
May 11 19:16:30 <ajay> hey folks!
May 11 19:16:45 <summatusmentis> dohtem: arguably it ought to
May 11 19:17:08 <ajay> quick q on the opensearch stuff in webOS.. a provider i added is broken (they did their opensearch wrong), so i removed it.
May 11 19:17:25 <ajay> How do I add opensearches into Just Type manually, or force the browser to re-ask me?
May 11 19:22:29 <SimpsonTP> are there any US carriers which have prepay available on Pre models ?
May 11 19:23:17 <ajay> eek
May 11 19:24:20 <SineOt> SimpsonTP: not really
May 11 19:24:33 <SineOt> but you can run it prepaid on like, T-mo or ATT if you provide the hardware
May 11 19:24:40 <ajay> SimpsonTP: iirc verizon doesn't (it offers a month-to-month semi-prepaid option on smartphones).  Sprint definitely doesn't.  I bet you could use a gsm carrier like that though?
May 11 19:25:08 <SimpsonTP> will ATT prepay give me a registration option with catalog access ?
May 11 19:25:15 <ajay> SineOt: no fair splitting your words into multiple lines. I totally had a chance of writing the same thing as you before you did if you just put a paragraph instead! :)
May 11 19:25:36 <SineOt> I activated my Pre2 using a Prepaid T-mo sim. Just had to buy the daily web pass so that I had data access
May 11 19:25:37 <ajay> SimpsonTP: the form of pay should not affect, so i'd bet yeah
May 11 19:25:56 <SineOt> Yeah as long as it's the right carrier, how it's paid for doesn't really matter
May 11 19:25:58 <ajay> SineOt: But you could have also doctored to allow activation over wifi?
May 11 19:26:08 <SimpsonTP> I'll have a simlock free Pre2 soon, and I'll traveling to US, so that could give me app cat access
May 11 19:26:12 <ajay> SineOt: but Tmo was the wrong carrier and you still got it to work, right?
May 11 19:26:13 <SineOt> ajay: that's just profile login, not activation
May 11 19:26:40 <ajay> SineOt: oh.... so you need to have data at some point otherwise the phone won't activate?
May 11 19:26:46 <SineOt> two very different things :p
May 11 19:26:56 <SineOt> yeah, I think so at least
May 11 19:27:02 <ajay> hrmm.. wonder hwy
May 11 19:27:03 <ajay> why
May 11 19:27:31 <SineOt> Dunno, I just paid the dollar or whatever so that I could log into my profile and activate it at the same time
May 11 19:27:54 <squeak09> I run my pre on a payandgo tarriff in the uk, just fine. :).
May 11 19:28:20 <SimpsonTP> I run a Pre+ on KPN Netherlands now, but can't get app cat access
May 11 19:28:34 <SineOt> Huh, cool: White Veer will be ~FREE~ at Best Buy stores.
May 11 19:28:54 <ajay> SineOt: So I just come in and walk out the door with it?  Tight, i'm down
May 11 19:28:58 <ajay> :)
May 11 19:29:13 <ajay> I need to unload all my Pre2's first..
May 11 19:29:14 <SineOt> if you sign up for a two year contract, yeah :p
May 11 19:29:29 <ajay> SineOt: that's way not free.. :^)
May 11 19:29:47 <SineOt> you don't have to pay the 100$ on top of the contract though :p
May 11 19:30:03 <ajay> was there some folks in here looking to buy a pre2? One that's been us-activated even!
May 11 19:30:15 <ajay> SineOt: for sure.  And I'm actually pretty excited about that, and also excited that it's only $99 on att
May 11 19:30:35 <SineOt> Yeah, but being free on contract from Best Buy is even better
May 11 19:31:15 <ajay> SineOt: i said i was excited about that! :)
May 11 19:31:27 <ajay> i wonder how best buy is able to make these deals.. hrmm..
May 11 19:31:27 <SineOt> oh derp
May 11 19:31:48 <SineOt> they probably get a cut of the monthly costs from ATT or something
May 11 19:32:03 <SineOt> basically working on commission... Commission within commission. COMCEPTION
May 11 19:32:03 <ajay> SineOt: ATT should get a cut of the costs from att and offer it free too :)
May 11 19:32:23 <leiru> hi
May 11 19:32:30 <ajay> hi leiru
May 11 19:32:36 <SineOt> Pfft, why? If they can get idiots to cough up 99$ they'll get idiots to cough of 99$ :p
May 11 19:32:40 <ajay> haha
May 11 19:32:55 <SineOt> I think most decently bright shoppers will get devices at Best Buy
May 11 19:33:09 <SineOt> because the best buy rewards program gives you rewards based off MSRP of devices
May 11 19:33:28 <SineOt> so even though the phone costs you nothing you get reward points based off the often insane like 499-799 prices
May 11 19:33:31 <ajay> SineOt: it's just kind of funny that a reseller is competing with the company in this way..
May 11 19:33:40 <ajay> SineOt: damn
May 11 19:33:58 <SineOt> yeah when we moved to sprint the phones cost us a total of like, 199$ out of pocket I think
May 11 19:34:12 <ajay> i am just surprised that att would let themselves get burned like this.  And then the consumers are going to buy all their accessories.. speaking of i haven't heard anything about veer accessories
May 11 19:34:22 <SineOt> but we got reward points based on the MSRP of 2100$ or something stupid like that
May 11 19:34:36 <ajay> I hope hpalm has seeded all the manufacturers of cases/etc with some veers
May 11 19:34:41 <ajay> SineOt: wow
May 11 19:34:54 <SineOt> ajay: it's not really burned. They still get you on a 2 year contract that ends up making them way more than the phone cost ever did
May 11 19:35:37 <ajay> SineOt: Yeah but they're definitely losing money over people coming into the store.. (or even online)
May 11 19:35:43 <SineOt> yeah it was 3 phones, two Heros and a Pixi. The Heros were MSRP like 740 and the Pixi was MSRP 599
May 11 19:36:04 <SineOt> Downside of course is that you pay sales tax based on the MSRP :F
May 11 19:36:12 <ajay> ?!
May 11 19:36:21 <SineOt> but that's why you drive a county over where the rate is 8% instead of 9% :F
May 11 19:36:41 <SineOt> I feel sorry for the counties where they bumped sales tax to 11%, because hooooooly shit
May 11 19:36:41 <ajay> or a state over where it's 0%? :)
May 11 19:37:10 <SineOt> man, I live on the coast of California. The cost of gas to get a state over would cost more than the savings in sale taxes, lol
May 11 19:39:35 <ajay> I live on the coast of cali too :)  to get no sales tax i need to drive 344 mi. that's 2 tanks of gas, say $60-80. otoh 2100*.09=$189.  Plus i get a fun road trip i can burn the extra $100 on :)
May 11 19:40:04 <ajay> plus i can get people from craigslist to pay all my gas cost, so even better :)
May 11 19:40:10 * halfhalo lives near the coast as well... but amazons the stuff
May 11 19:40:11 <ajay> damn i think i just came up with a business plan! heh
May 11 19:40:34 <ajay> halfhalo: you're in soCal right?
May 11 19:40:38 <halfhalo> yup
May 11 19:40:44 <ajay> how's ya'lls webOS meetups going btw?  anyone here go?
May 11 19:40:50 <halfhalo> nope
May 11 19:41:07 <SineOt> Not really. Most are still run by... SEMANTIC SEED :Q
May 11 19:41:21 <SineOt> who's really just a corporate shill for his own shitty startup camp company
May 11 19:41:45 <ajay> haha.. that reminds me we never heard back from @adora
May 11 19:41:51 <ajay> who's conveniently not here :)
May 11 19:42:10 <ajay> I thought I saw mannyman having meetups in socal somewhere..
May 11 19:42:24 <ajay> oh that's san diego
May 11 19:43:00 <ajay> we're going to organize outside of meetup.com to begin with..
May 11 19:43:32 <SineOt> yeah, meetup.com kind of... Yeah. They're run by retards basically XD
May 11 19:44:00 <SineOt> I need to remember to ask Adora about that stuff again since I kind of completely forgot
May 11 19:44:50 <ajay> haha
May 11 19:44:56 <ajay> "Retards" with $$
May 11 19:51:31 * ajay does also think that management is a waste of resources
May 11 19:58:35 <squeak09> does any one know of a way to get hold of the webos 1.4.5 version of the sdk? I want to test an app on that version using the emulator.
May 11 20:08:28 <ajay> squeak09: is it not available on palm's website?  I thought I saw something about this..
May 11 20:08:37 <avarus> it's not
May 11 20:08:59 <leiru> avarus: try to drop an email to chuq
May 11 20:09:12 <avarus> last time I searched all websites referenced to the webos 2 sdk
May 11 20:09:29 <squeak09> yeah, it's all webos 2
May 11 20:10:08 <ajay> oh what i saw was how to make 1.4.5 packages, not sdk, crap
May 11 20:10:09 <avarus> there is an announcement for the 1.4.5 sdk and the link links to...yep, the webos 2 sdk :P
May 11 20:10:28 <avarus> not even a year old the forum post
May 11 20:10:34 <squeak09> I've developed an app that should work on both, but don't want to test on my own 1.4.5 device... just in case. :P.
May 11 20:11:01 <avarus> test on your 1.4.5 device and ask other kind people to test it, too
May 11 20:11:04 <squeak09> yeah, all the old links redirect to the ver 2 sdk. =/.
May 11 20:11:04 <ajay> good thing i kept my old ones around just-in-case then..
May 11 20:11:14 <ajay> squeak09: bogus on them
May 11 20:11:41 <ajay> i'd suggest bumping this thread to harass them https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12449
May 11 20:12:25 <ajay> and i can test on my 1.4.5 vBox if that's helpful.. doesn't vbox have some sort of VNC feature? i could prolly let you into it too..
May 11 20:13:20 <leiru> mom i'll look in my downloads folder
May 11 20:13:52 <avarus> I so fucking love webos but I also so fucking hate hp
May 11 20:14:42 <leiru> no nothing there
May 11 20:15:11 <leiru> avarus: im angry often, too.
May 11 20:15:55 <ajay> hmm.. i have 1.4.5 installed, but i don't know if i have the download either.. :(
May 11 20:16:04 <ajay> squeak09: did you check wayback machine?
May 11 20:16:12 <squeak09> you would think that they would understand that developers need to test in all environments not just the latest. =/.
May 11 20:16:40 <avarus> hp is even dumb enough not to sell their top-notch devices around the world...
May 11 20:16:58 <avarus> there is a market for _usable_ mobile operating systems
May 11 20:17:23 <squeak09> my hard drive decided to go kill it's self a few weeks back lost everything I thought I wouldn't need backing up... e.g. sdks... lol.
May 11 20:17:31 <ajay> squeak09: oh you're so funny.. why would i want to test an app for a platform where the majority of users are?! get real
May 11 20:17:46 * ajay apologizes for cynicism 
May 11 20:17:53 <avarus> is the majority on 1.4.5?
May 11 20:18:27 * IGNTNUNLMTD still has a 1.4.5 device! ... but he doesn't use it.
May 11 20:18:41 <squeak09> haha... IKR... why would I need to know if my app is going to kill loads of older devices...
May 11 20:18:47 <ajay> avarus: definitely.  a small percentage have pre2's.. metadoctor? i'd say small too
May 11 20:18:58 <avarus> ok
May 11 20:19:14 <ajay> squeak09: what os are you on?
May 11 20:19:26 <avarus> I often get "not for your device" when I want to install stuff via the "store" so I got the feeling many are on webos 2 already
May 11 20:19:47 * ajay wishes he got IO tickets, i need an android phone for apps! :(
May 11 20:20:07 * avarus hates android
May 11 20:20:11 <avarus> and all the shitty devices
May 11 20:20:47 <ajay> avarus: i just want a few apps, like SlingPlayer (which was available for PalmOS)
May 11 20:21:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> avarus: you forget that after the next 6 months, 1.4.5 will NOT even be CLOSE to the majority
May 11 20:21:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> furthermore, most apps will be Enyo
May 11 20:21:33 <avarus> because of the veer?
May 11 20:21:36 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: that's at least a year in internet time, which is a looong time
May 11 20:21:38 <ajay> away
May 11 20:21:47 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: i'd take that bet
May 11 20:21:49 <avarus> ya, 6 months is a long time
May 11 20:21:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because of the Veer, the Pre3 and the TouchPad
May 11 20:22:04 <avarus> the touchpad, the veer....the pre3...where? where?!
May 11 20:22:08 <avarus> fuck hp :P
May 11 20:22:10 <ajay> oh my!
May 11 20:22:29 <avarus> the iphone is available in white _now_ *lol :P
May 11 20:22:35 <avarus> hp is too late
May 11 20:22:37 <avarus> as always
May 11 20:22:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wrong
May 11 20:22:47 <avarus> no, really, it's white now :P
May 11 20:23:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, it also is not compatible with any cases because it's thick
May 11 20:23:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> -er
May 11 20:23:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I love how Apple makes all these egregious, crippling mistakes and yet the general (idiotic) consumer populace is still ravenous for a BRAND NAME
May 11 20:24:38 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: i dunno man, i've used an iPhone/iPod several times for the first few weeks, and they're a pretty good experience, i was sad to admit
May 11 20:24:40 <avarus> I don't like ios too much but the whole smartphone combined with ios is the best thing on the market
May 11 20:24:41 <avarus> still
May 11 20:25:03 <ajay> i mean, for the first time, in recent weeks
May 11 20:26:03 <avarus> I jailbroke my iphone and now with openssh and some sort of java vm I'm quite satisfied :P
May 11 20:26:32 <avarus> and "backgrounder" which is an app to have some sort of real multitasking for 3rd party apps :p
May 11 20:27:12 <SimpsonTP> are there US prepay providers with web access ?
May 11 20:27:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if Apple was good to the iOS Dev Team like HP is good to webOS Internals I'd own an iPhone
May 11 20:27:57 <avarus> the locked down ios is crap
May 11 20:28:14 <avarus> I was using a nokia e63 before with symbian and ios was a shock to me
May 11 20:28:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but the fact that a company, who PRIDES ITSELF ON INDIVIDUALITY, cripples a device to be SO unmodifiable makes the entire package worthless
May 11 20:28:23 <ajay> SimpsonTP: did you look at tm/att?
May 11 20:28:26 <avarus> I couldn't understand why I couldn't run apps in the background :P
May 11 20:28:34 <ajay> can i take a vmware machine/harddisk from linux and copy it to win7?
May 11 20:28:39 <SimpsonTP> ajay, I have no clue where to look, I'm europe based
May 11 20:28:49 <avarus> with ios4 something they said "multitasking" but it was a lie
May 11 20:29:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because, what if I rely on something such as ModeSwitcher, and then one day a "patch" from HP takes it away? that's what Apple does
May 11 20:29:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and that would make me unspeakably angry
May 11 20:29:17 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: I dunno man, i think that your needs aren't the same as the average person.
May 11 20:29:27 <ajay> that's why apple+android are introducing gestures, and hpalm is taking them away
May 11 20:30:22 <avarus> what?
May 11 20:30:24 <avarus> really?
May 11 20:30:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> right, they're not, and they'll never be, and Apple will always cater to someone who knows nothing first rather than knows enough. That's survival hunting 101: go for the weake$t in the pack
May 11 20:30:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP/Palm is NOT taking gestures away
May 11 20:30:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> where do you get your information?
May 11 20:31:46 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: they will
May 11 20:31:51 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: hPalm
May 11 20:31:52 <leiru> the touchpad has no gesture area
May 11 20:32:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes, but the phones are keeping gestures
May 11 20:32:15 <leiru> the first ones, for now
May 11 20:32:18 <ajay> in this channel
May 11 20:32:59 <leiru> a sales guy whom i work with called our touchpad prototypes "cheap copies of the ipad" :/
May 11 20:33:23 <avarus> so?
May 11 20:33:28 <avarus> it's an ipad with webos :P
May 11 20:33:49 <avarus> the "pads" all look like an ipad more or less
May 11 20:34:21 <leiru> it was interesting for me, but depressing too.
May 11 20:34:57 <leiru> everyone (normal people) sets their gold standart to the ipad
May 11 20:35:14 <avarus> I don't
May 11 20:35:20 <avarus> ipad = slow and locked down
May 11 20:35:22 <leiru> and everything what is released later (and even not finished) is called a cheapy copy
May 11 20:35:24 <avarus> that's not too hard to beat
May 11 20:35:33 <haeffb> make it less cheapy
May 11 20:35:37 <avarus> well, for now that's just the case
May 11 20:35:44 <leiru> avarus: but you aren't the normal consumer
May 11 20:36:00 <avarus> but slow? that affects "normal" too
May 11 20:36:24 <avarus> I always get memory warnings in 3rd party apps
May 11 20:36:24 <leiru> avarus: but if not aything else was there before the slowlyness was normal.
May 11 20:36:29 <avarus> ah ok
May 11 20:36:33 <ajay> I am trying to give my ultimatum to HP: If your first phone* doesn't have a gesture area, and android does, i'm gone.  *Pre3/Veer=Palm's last fully-designed fully
May 11 20:36:55 <avarus> I have an eye on the touchpad
May 11 20:37:09 <avarus> I've seen videos and it looks great, especially webos
May 11 20:37:15 <leiru> ajay: and you think, because of you they would reintroduce it, if it would be?
May 11 20:37:35 <ajay> leiru: I think, because of us, and after seeing what apple/android are doing, they would have to reconsider.
May 11 20:37:46 <ajay> (anyways, they LOVE to copy apple. so might as well copy gestures [back] from them..)
May 11 20:38:46 <avarus> I really hope they put enough ram in the touchpad
May 11 20:38:51 <avarus> that's what limits webos so much
May 11 20:39:01 <avarus> at least on the pixi
May 11 20:40:00 <leiru> avarus: annecdote: the people that just used the ipad exclusively@us...
May 11 20:40:02 * ajay needs help with writing an invoice for website work
May 11 20:40:28 <leiru> forgot to close the cards and said it is slow
May 11 20:41:05 <leiru> afeter maybe 20 cars open
May 11 20:41:06 <avarus> that's the symbian syndrome...open as many apps as possible and say "it sucks" :p
May 11 20:41:22 <leiru> no comment, people are stupid
May 11 20:41:28 <avarus> ya :)
May 11 20:41:36 <avarus> that's why symbian died
May 11 20:42:05 <avarus> and because nokia sucks
May 11 20:42:12 <ajay> honestly i just want everyone to put pressure so they keep the gesture area..
May 11 20:42:27 <avarus> lol :P
May 11 20:42:36 <ajay> man hPalm needs to go after symbian/meego developers with a VENGEANCE!
May 11 20:42:50 <ajay> AND USERS!
May 11 20:43:06 <ajay> what if a trade-in, tradein your obsolete nokia phone for a webOS phone!  That'd boost marketshare QUICK!
May 11 20:43:13 <avarus> my hope is on android; I don't like it yet but it will grow into what I call "mature"; I'm sure :)
May 11 20:43:26 <ajay> avarus: me too, esp with Mattias
May 11 20:43:35 <leiru> i would be for an intro that explains cards and why you cant have that many open or so.
May 11 20:43:57 <leiru> the people coming from the ipad think the app is closed if they switch
May 11 20:44:05 <avarus> really? nee
May 11 20:44:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ lol, yes
May 11 20:44:28 <avarus> there is even a warning message if you have too many open
May 11 20:44:55 * ajay returned his 2 GB of RAM to Corsair (by hand :), and they're sending me 4gb back?? sweet! :)
May 11 20:45:07 <avarus> wow :P
May 11 20:45:17 * avarus wants 2GB in the touchpad :D
May 11 20:45:28 <avarus> or at least 1GB
May 11 20:45:32 <avarus> come on HP
May 11 20:45:35 <ajay> that reminds me, somebody told me they returned their Pre+ to Vz and got a pre2 (granted, it was his 5th return or so, but.. :)
May 11 20:45:40 <avarus> I know they put 512 in it...suckers :P
May 11 20:45:42 <ajay> avarus: try sending it back :)
May 11 20:45:47 * bebna would buy 4gb ram for netbook, but atom dosn't support it
May 11 20:45:50 * SineOt wants a Transformer style laptop docking station for the TouchPad.
May 11 20:45:57 <SineOt> avarus: Pretty sure they put 1GB in it
May 11 20:46:00 <leiru> avarus: too many warning is okay, but the slowing down
May 11 20:46:11 * ajay has got Pre2's for sale! any carrier!
May 11 20:46:25 <avarus> leiru, it's just like with symbian...open too many apps and the system becomes slower :)
May 11 20:46:31 <leiru> avarus: they open 20 cards on a pre2 and say: this device is so slow
May 11 20:46:43 <leiru> and they don't understand it
May 11 20:46:47 <leiru> why it is so slow
May 11 20:46:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so which is it? 512 or 1024 for the TouchPad?
May 11 20:46:58 * oil runs 4 or 5 apps all the time on his pre-
May 11 20:47:05 <avarus> sometimes I have to reboot the pixi...some apps make it slow and even when you close the app it stays slow :P
May 11 20:47:11 <leiru> they did not even check the fact, that they are still running
May 11 20:47:37 <leiru> they think it's like at their crappy apple device, that the app is closing after hitting "the button"
May 11 20:47:38 <halfhalo> slow pixi is slow
May 11 20:47:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I ran out of apps to open on my Pre 2
May 11 20:47:45 <avarus> no, it's fast
May 11 20:47:47 <avarus> normally :P
May 11 20:47:59 <SineOt> I'm pretty sure that it's 1GB
May 11 20:48:10 <avarus> if not, I'm not buying
May 11 20:48:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ this, I got my Mom a Pixi+, it's a great phone
May 11 20:48:15 <halfhalo> as much as I hate android, the screen on the epic is gddm gorgeous.
May 11 20:48:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what still kills me about Android is that no matter how fast the processor is, the OS still feels sluggish
May 11 20:49:01 <avarus> ya
May 11 20:49:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because of the UI
May 11 20:49:07 <avarus> that's really strange
May 11 20:49:22 <avarus> even the dual core xoom (pad) is slow in the ui from time to time
May 11 20:49:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> especially once you get something like Samsung's TouchPiss UI, then it's god-awful
May 11 20:49:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sorry, TouchWIZ
May 11 20:49:39 <avarus> touchpiss lol :P
May 11 20:49:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that has to be the worst GUI I've ever seen
May 11 20:50:14 <avarus> it seems to be global problem; I've tested so much android phones; they all had that sluggish ui
May 11 20:50:16 <avarus> more or less
May 11 20:51:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I designed stuff better looking than that in like 9th grade
May 11 20:51:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HTC Sense is the best one I've used
May 11 20:51:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> they even made WM6 bearable
May 11 20:51:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> <3 HTC
May 11 20:51:41 <avarus> htc make the best android phones imho
May 11 20:51:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 100% agreed
May 11 20:55:32 <SimpsonTP> is there something like 'Sim only' at ATT ??
May 11 20:56:06 <dohtem> Sim only?  what's that?
May 11 20:56:15 <avarus> no contract
May 11 20:56:17 <avarus> pre paid
May 11 20:56:19 <dohtem> oh
May 11 20:56:21 <dohtem> sure
May 11 20:57:13 <avarus> I never had a "contract". I now pay 9eurocents/minute and 10 eur for 1GB data transfer
May 11 20:57:28 <avarus> but not in the us, so not helping you :P
May 11 20:57:56 <SimpsonTP> :)
May 11 20:58:33 <SimpsonTP> I do find the gophone stuff, but don't want a phone :)
May 11 20:59:32 <dohtem> SimpsonTP: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phones/sim-cards.jsp
May 11 21:00:13 <leiru> avarus: where are you from?
May 11 21:00:20 <avarus> germany
May 11 21:00:36 * halfhalo yawns
May 11 21:00:43 * ajay googles for palm pre prepaid on att and finds many links
May 11 21:00:52 <leiru> avarus: me too.
May 11 21:01:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> where in Germany?
May 11 21:01:08 <leiru> avarus: are you also on webOS connect berlin?
May 11 21:01:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm visting Germany in a month
May 11 21:01:26 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: hamburg
May 11 21:01:26 <SimpsonTP> ajay, that seems to include a phone
May 11 21:01:27 <avarus> west germany, ruhrgebiet :P
May 11 21:01:40 <avarus> no, I don't like "meetings" like that, leiru
May 11 21:01:49 <avarus> and I don't like berlin
May 11 21:02:14 <leiru> conferences are great, what's the problem?
May 11 21:02:20 <ajay> SimpsonTP: ?
May 11 21:02:23 <avarus> for me they are useless :)
May 11 21:02:28 <leiru> and berlin is crappy, indeed.
May 11 21:02:39 <avarus> probably because most of the people are there just to feel important
May 11 21:02:49 <ajay> i meant there are many folks talking about using a Pre on ATT on different forums
May 11 21:03:03 <avarus> and I don't mean you or anybody
May 11 21:03:11 <avarus> it's just something I noticed in the past
May 11 21:03:53 <SimpsonTP> ajay, I have a pre and I'll travel to the US, and would like to have a simcard there
May 11 21:04:46 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: where are you visiting?
May 11 21:04:53 <avarus> my time on this little earth is so limited and taking part in such time-wasting meetings is against my way of living
May 11 21:05:03 <ajay> SimpsonTP: from the search results on google (the first i read) it sounds like it'll work fine
May 11 21:05:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Frankfurt
May 11 21:05:26 <SimpsonTP> ajay, sure I have no doubt about tha t!
May 11 21:05:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> going to the Nurburgring and the tiny town that shares my family's last nam
May 11 21:05:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> name*
May 11 21:05:40 <SimpsonTP> ajay, just want to see what they offer, what the prices etc are
May 11 21:05:52 <avarus> nuerburgring is great :)
May 11 21:05:56 <ajay> SimpsonTP: oh, heh..
May 11 21:05:58 <resoai> Hi Guys
May 11 21:06:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wait, it's Nürburgring, not Nurburgring, right? American stylization I think
May 11 21:06:39 <avarus> uumlaut, correct
May 11 21:06:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, thanks
May 11 21:06:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't know what car we'll have
May 11 21:07:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but chances are it won't be anything good or manual
May 11 21:07:09 <avarus> it's open for private "racers" :)
May 11 21:07:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> right :)
May 11 21:07:24 <avarus> many people who crashed their cars there :D
May 11 21:07:33 <ajay> SimpsonTP: looks like $2/day for unlimited talk/txt, or 10c/minute. data is extra
May 11 21:07:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I wish I could bring my car there
May 11 21:07:48 <avarus> which is?
May 11 21:07:50 <ajay> SimpsonTP: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pyg-cell-phone-plans.jsp
May 11 21:08:08 <avarus> opel ascona 75HP coupe? :P
May 11 21:08:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Volkswagen R32 Mk V :D
May 11 21:08:12 <resoai> Could anyone help me out in JS please?
May 11 21:08:32 <avarus> IGNTNUNLMTD, oh man, what a boring car (from a german perspective :P)
May 11 21:08:33 <resoai> I'm a bit stuck with a model
May 11 21:08:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahaha :P
May 11 21:08:53 <dohtem> resoai: Don't ask to ask.  Just ask :)
May 11 21:09:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> avarus: http://www.flickr.com/photos/psmithy/4495365956/sizes/l/in/photostream/
May 11 21:09:37 <avarus> nice photo
May 11 21:09:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, my friend is a pro
May 11 21:09:43 <resoai> :) ok, in list formatter i'm trying to enumerate an array
May 11 21:09:48 <bebna> i've Golf II from 1989
May 11 21:09:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> photographer, no one drives the car but me
May 11 21:09:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 11 21:09:54 * ajay looks up his Ubuntu LoCo.. :)
May 11 21:10:22 <resoai> somehow I'm getting function as typeof() for some items
May 11 21:10:52 <avarus> IGNTNUNLMTD, http://www.flickr.com/photos/schipplock/4602362752/in/set-72157625618836629 <-- mine :P...but just because it still runs
May 11 21:11:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> <3 Audi
May 11 21:11:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my friend is a big Audi enthusiast
May 11 21:11:24 <avarus> it's now 21 years old
May 11 21:11:37 <avarus> modified to run on lpg
May 11 21:11:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> awesome!
May 11 21:11:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what kinda mileage and output?
May 11 21:12:16 <avarus> 260.000km with incredible 90hp :P
May 11 21:12:19 <avarus> out of 1.8L
May 11 21:12:23 <resoai> 		            	labels: function(value, model) {
May 11 21:12:23 <resoai> 		            		var labels = '';
May 11 21:12:23 <resoai> 		            		 for(var k in value) {
May 11 21:12:23 <resoai> 		            			labels += '<div class="' + value[k] + '"></div>';
May 11 21:12:24 <resoai> 		            		}
May 11 21:12:24 <resoai> 		            		return labels;
May 11 21:12:37 * halfhalo pets his 3L v6
May 11 21:12:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> halfhalo: 3.2L VR6 here :D
May 11 21:12:58 <resoai> This is in "formatters" attribute of the list
May 11 21:13:11 * halfhalo tops that.  his car was free.
May 11 21:13:13 <Tibfib> resoai: pastebin please
May 11 21:13:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> avarus: what about fuel economy?
May 11 21:13:23 <LoneStar99> whom would i email if one of my apps is locked and can't make a meta update or nothing
May 11 21:13:24 <LoneStar99> ??
May 11 21:13:33 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: pdc@palm.com
May 11 21:13:38 <halfhalo> buuuttt.... I get 11mpg to/from school every day
May 11 21:13:39 <dawm> ugh.. burning a music cd.. this feels wrong
May 11 21:13:48 <avarus> I thought about to replace the engine with the classic 2.3L 5 cylindre engine (136HP), which would make sense because it's almost the same but neeh...too expensive :P
May 11 21:13:49 <dawm> wish my car radio had aux or even mp3 disc capability
May 11 21:14:05 <halfhalo> dawm: I know right?  My dads infinity doesn't have a damn aux in, only usb
May 11 21:14:23 <bebna> i only got a cassete deck
May 11 21:14:25 <dawm> 07's got an aux
May 11 21:14:35 <resoai> http://pastebin.com/EVqeD8bs
May 11 21:14:46 <Tibfib> resoai: what's the issue?
May 11 21:14:55 <dawm> theres an aux hack for the factory radio, which requires soldering in some chip, and using a blank cd when in aux mode..
May 11 21:15:05 <dawm> not gonna do that
May 11 21:15:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I get 26 mpg driving like a grandma, 17 when driving the car correctly :D
May 11 21:15:11 <avarus> IGNTNUNLMTD, uh, on benzin it's 7l per 100km on the "autobahn" aka highway, on lpg it's up to 10l...in the city? dunno :)...I have a heavy gas-foot :P
May 11 21:15:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> likewise, likewise :)
May 11 21:15:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> okay, time for dinner... see you guys later!
May 11 21:15:41 <dawm> you'd think a 30k~ car would have a better radio
May 11 21:15:49 <avarus> IGNTNUNLMTD, bye
May 11 21:15:49 <resoai> in the labels formatter I'm trying to enumerate an array , somehow I'm getting typeof == function for some items, which  is weird
May 11 21:16:00 <dawm> wtf.. itunes sucks
May 11 21:16:09 <dawm> just made a cd and named it 'Recently Added'
May 11 21:16:18 <avarus> dawm, the audi a4 (1999) still had a cassette radio
May 11 21:16:24 <dawm> in the cd text..
May 11 21:16:28 <halfhalo> My car (03 highlander) currently has a usb in, video in, aux in, dvd in, and bt audio
May 11 21:16:29 <avarus> lol :p
May 11 21:16:45 <ajay> halfhalo: damn.. that's gangsta
May 11 21:16:49 <dawm> my car had a cassette option
May 11 21:16:52 <IGNTNULNTD|NomNo> but how can you do all that AND text and drive? :P
May 11 21:16:53 <halfhalo> aftermarket radio
May 11 21:16:55 <bebna> @resoai k is the item not the key
May 11 21:16:55 <dawm> dont know why its an 06..
May 11 21:17:12 <dawm> do they still make cassettes?
May 11 21:17:14 <Tibfib> resoai: there are array functions, so I'm not surprised
May 11 21:17:16 <avarus> dawm, can't you just replace the radio :)?
May 11 21:17:19 <SineOt> yup
May 11 21:17:25 <dawm> oh i can
May 11 21:17:29 <SineOt> last car to ship with a cassette was a 2011 Lexus I think
May 11 21:17:37 <avarus> lol :P
May 11 21:17:39 <dawm> but id want a nav so i can get rid of my garmin hangin from the window
May 11 21:17:45 <halfhalo> the stupid 09 camry in my family can't have a new radio
May 11 21:17:47 <Tibfib> resoai: add in if(value.hasOwnProperty(k))
May 11 21:17:51 <dawm> not too keen on dropping $800~ on a car radio :P
May 11 21:18:02 <avarus> halfhalo, why not? is it built into the "cockpit"?
May 11 21:18:11 <halfhalo> yes.... ffff
May 11 21:18:14 <halfhalo> I hate that car
May 11 21:18:16 <resoai> thanks, I'll try it now
May 11 21:19:09 <avarus> I even have an abs key -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/schipplock/4706869152/in/set-72157625618836629 :P
May 11 21:19:22 <dawm> heh
May 11 21:19:32 <dawm> i have a IC Sprayer button :P
May 11 21:19:32 <halfhalo> I don't even have traction control...
May 11 21:19:47 <avarus> dawm, what does it do?
May 11 21:19:57 <dawm> sprays water from the trunk tank on the intercooler
May 11 21:20:10 <avarus> aha, for what?
May 11 21:20:17 <avarus> *curious
May 11 21:20:29 <dawm> to help cool the air?
May 11 21:20:34 <avarus> oh :)
May 11 21:20:36 <dawm> its a turbo
May 11 21:20:37 <resoai> I think this is not going to work, value should really be an array with a few string values
May 11 21:20:40 <avarus> ahh
May 11 21:20:45 <dawm> 2006 Subaru STI
May 11 21:20:47 <avarus> now it makes sense :)
May 11 21:20:47 <dawm> :P
May 11 21:21:17 * halfhalo has old, unrefined, 3L v6 with a lack of soundproofing in his car
May 11 21:22:10 <dawm> my other car has no sound proofing at all, no headliner or interior panels (cept for the dash)
May 11 21:22:11 * avarus wanted to buy an old continental (1978) with a 7.5L V8 engine
May 11 21:22:21 <dawm> and the exhaust stops directly in the middle of the car
May 11 21:22:34 <halfhalo> I need another sub for my car for the driver seat
May 11 21:22:34 <resoai> somehow it also behaves differently before actual JSON data become a model I was able to push() a value into labels array
May 11 21:23:23 <dohtem> halfhalo: sounds like the MB Kompressors
May 11 21:23:40 <halfhalo> dohtem: hmm?
May 11 21:23:58 * ajay just had the idea of making his new pre2 into a ubuntu installer, hrmm.. ;^)
May 11 21:24:56 <halfhalo> holy crap... I wonder if I can fit a real sized sub under the rear seats in my car...
May 11 21:25:14 <avarus> a sub...:rolleyes :P
May 11 21:25:25 <dawm> i have one under my seats.. it helps but it does not 'bang'
May 11 21:25:31 <dawm> factory
May 11 21:25:47 <ajay> ok food time for me too. ;^)
May 11 21:26:14 <halfhalo> car didn't come with one and the speakers can't really play both low end and high end at the same time
May 11 21:26:17 <dohtem> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aknpkdffaafgjchaibgeefbgmgeghloj  <- productivity in offices will plummet
May 11 21:26:50 <resoai> Tibfib: http://pastebin.com/ExnYUqci you see in this function where I'm assigning effect.labels = ['favorite']; I wasn't able to simply effect.labels.push('favorite');
May 11 21:26:52 <halfhalo> and the one under the passenger seat doesn't really help since the passenger seat "muffles" is
May 11 21:27:07 <avarus> dohtem, at least at times of the w211 the v6 engines had no  kompressor
May 11 21:27:36 <Tibfib> resoai: isn't it an object?
May 11 21:27:43 <Tibfib> you can't push properties to objects
May 11 21:27:50 <avarus> the e55 amg had a kompressor...476hp...holy :P
May 11 21:28:17 <avarus> (v8 then)
May 11 21:28:25 <resoai> Tibfib: well, labels was an array when in was in JSON
May 11 21:28:47 * halfhalo really wants more than 4 gears in his car tho... really, its sad
May 11 21:29:08 <Tibfib> oh
May 11 21:29:09 <avarus> automatic?
May 11 21:29:26 <Tibfib> resoai: if labels doesn't exist, you can't push a value to it
May 11 21:30:10 <dawm> halfhalo, .. i have 6 and its annoying
May 11 21:30:24 <resoai> Tibfib: http://pastebin.com/Ug8eyu7p in the beginning I'm getting data from json and pushing it to the model, labels always exist, even being an empty array []
May 11 21:30:27 <halfhalo> better than 4
May 11 21:30:35 <dawm> normal driving i'm in 5th at 45mph
May 11 21:31:14 <halfhalo> first gear in my car goes up to 45, second 62ish, third.... I dunno, never attempted it...
May 11 21:31:26 <Tibfib> resoai: what's the error?
May 11 21:31:55 <avarus> the manufacturers sometimes have strange gear transmission ratios to save fuel...some drivers dislike that
May 11 21:31:59 <dawm> going by the owners manual recommendations 45mph should be in 5th
May 11 21:32:13 <dawm> soo annoying
May 11 21:32:30 <dawm> unless i wanna drive around at 3k+ rpm i shift alot
May 11 21:33:18 <resoai> member:Tibfib: error: Error: Cannot call method 'push' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined
May 11 21:33:24 <halfhalo> in fourth my car is 2.8k at 65mph
May 11 21:33:45 <avarus> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:E55-2.jpg&filetimestamp=20060806010106 <-- *want* :P
May 11 21:34:37 <avarus> dawm, get an engine with more power in lower rpm :)
May 11 21:34:46 <Tibfib> resoai: hmm, weird
May 11 21:34:49 <dawm> oh i haev plenty of power :P
May 11 21:34:51 <Tibfib> I don't think it is ever defined
May 11 21:35:03 <resoai> Tibfib: but I think it is the same problem as with formatters, the array is not an array after being pushed to the model, if you know what  I mean
May 11 21:35:07 <avarus> dawm, then shift one gear up if you think rpm is too high :)
May 11 21:35:13 <Tibfib> resoai: I do not
May 11 21:35:32 <dawm> i do, 1-4 are really close gears
May 11 21:35:38 <halfhalo> booo fwd
May 11 21:35:44 <avarus> most engines have their most power at 6k rpm, some have it between 3 and 4k
May 11 21:35:55 <resoai> Tibfib:  in formatters I'm getting a listing of JS functions as values
May 11 21:36:10 <Tibfib> resoai: k
May 11 21:36:22 <resoai> Tibfib: values[k]
May 11 21:36:30 <dawm> i can safely rev to 9k
May 11 21:36:31 <resoai> Tibfib:  value[k] *
May 11 21:36:46 <avarus> dawm, what's that? mazda rx8?
May 11 21:36:59 <halfhalo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S70 want as project car
May 11 21:37:01 <dawm> 2006 subaru sti
May 11 21:37:02 <dawm> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dawm/06STI/5ea3b96b0a0a000201b8b5cd581b1713.jpg
May 11 21:37:09 <avarus> ah, brain like a fly :P
May 11 21:37:36 <avarus> the boxer engines also run at 9krpm? incredible
May 11 21:40:37 <avarus> *yawn
May 11 21:40:39 <avarus> late here
May 11 21:40:45 <avarus> good night and thanks for the nice conversation
May 11 21:41:00 <dawm> i have horrible smelling gas right now
May 11 21:42:02 <resoai> Tibfib:  as k I'm also getting some rubish, listing of reverse() js function?
May 11 21:42:37 <resoai> Tibfib: it's just very weird, I've never thought  I could be getting it
May 11 21:42:40 <Tibfib> resoai: since it is an array, why not do a for(var i = 0; i < array.length; i++){ } ?
May 11 21:42:40 <Tibfib> that won't include the functions
May 11 21:43:23 <Tibfib> resoai: it makes sense
May 11 21:43:23 <resoai> Tibfib: it turnes out not tob e an  array, so it does not have length
May 11 21:44:00 <Tibfib> oh weird
May 11 21:44:10 <resoai> Tibfib: with simple/traditional  for loop the data is not displayed at all
May 11 21:44:43 <resoai> Tibfib: if i try to stringify the whole value it looks like an array
May 11 21:45:00 <resoai> Tibfib:  typeof is Object though
May 11 21:45:20 <Tibfib> pretty sure typeof an array is reported as object too
May 11 21:45:29 <resoai> but.. typeof some of the items is function .. which drives me crazy
May 11 21:45:47 <Tibfib> .hasOwnProperty() gets rid of them
May 11 21:46:52 <resoai> but what property should I check than? in my original code I enede up checking if this was a string :)
May 11 21:47:20 <resoai> Tibfib:  but it looked like a very dirty workaround and I could not understand why I'm getting functions in an array
May 11 21:47:22 <Tibfib> I'm not sure what you mean
May 11 21:47:41 <Tibfib> obj.hasOwnProperty(x) will get rid of the functions
May 11 21:47:51 <Tibfib> and just give the straight properties
May 11 21:48:57 <resoai> but if value is just an array of "strings" where should i check for property?
May 11 21:50:03 <Tibfib> for(var k in value){ if(value.hasOwnProperty(k)){ ..doStuff() } }
May 11 21:50:40 <haeffb> why isn't it an array anymore?
May 11 21:51:32 <haeffb> St. Louis photos from this afternoon... https://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20110511StLouis?feat=directlink
May 11 21:52:13 <resoai> thanks! it worked :)
May 11 21:52:41 <resoai> I guess it is the same problem with not being able to push new labels in my second part of the code
May 11 21:53:03 <Tibfib> yeah, since it is not actually an array
May 11 21:53:24 <IGNTNULNTD|NomNo> haeffb: St. Louis? That's where my girlfriend is from; visiting in August. Any other webOS devs from there?
May 11 21:53:29 <Tibfib> haeffb: nice fish
May 11 21:53:46 <resoai> so the only thing is to loop through it and re-asign newly created one
May 11 21:54:08 * haeffb is just visiting St. Louis - live about 2.5 hours away in north central MO
May 11 21:54:17 <resoai> but i still can't understand why on earth is has become NOT an array :)
May 11 21:54:30 <haeffb> I don't actually know any other webOS devs in MO
May 11 21:54:37 <haeffb> resoai: me too
May 11 21:54:52 <haeffb> how do you assign the values to the items array?
May 11 21:55:26 <resoai> initially i'm pushing it from json http://pastebin.com/Ug8eyu7p
May 11 21:56:10 <resoai> which works fine even pushing that favorite item to labels array
May 11 21:56:34 <resoai> all problems start when I'm trying to manipulate the list model
May 11 21:57:52 <resoai> btw, i'm the developer of PhotoFunia App (com.photofunia.webos)
May 11 21:58:17 <resoai> I'm doing the favorites list which is being saved in the Depot
May 11 21:59:18 * Tibfib is a state-neighbors with haeffb
May 11 22:00:00 <halfhalo> lol
May 11 22:00:38 <Tibfib> hmm.
May 11 22:00:39 <Tibfib> grammar is hard
May 11 22:01:05 <SineOt> Man, boo on Google. Their hardware as a service thing for business requires you to deploy at least 10 devices.
May 11 22:01:33 <Loudergood> that'd be two per employee including the owner at my work
May 11 22:02:04 <SineOt> yup
May 11 22:03:07 <SineOt> it's also 33 a month, and not 28, unless you want to get the shitty Acer with no 3G
May 11 22:03:22 <SineOt> But the minimum of 10 is pretty stupid
May 11 22:05:20 <SineOt> I don't know why anyone would pick the Acer, to be honest.
May 11 22:05:45 * oil has acer monitor at work
May 11 22:05:47 <oil> works fine
May 11 22:05:59 * halfhalo has acer netbook at home
May 11 22:06:03 <halfhalo> tis floppy like a disk
May 11 22:06:10 <Loudergood> (gateway 2010)
May 11 22:06:13 <SineOt> It's .5" inches smaller, weights .4 pounds less, chops off about 2.5-3 hours worth of battery life… And it's 31 a month for the model with Wifi
May 11 22:06:19 <SineOt> Er, with 3G
May 11 22:06:30 <SineOt> While the Samsung is 33$ a month for the model with 3G
May 11 22:10:04 <tivona> Hi all, can anyone help me with a couple enyo questions?
May 11 22:10:49 <SineOt> depends, but probably not
May 11 22:20:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://forums.precentral.net/hp-veer/282157-i-dont-want-hear-about-anymore.html
May 11 22:20:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ by Zeus, I lol'd
May 11 22:22:10 <maik> awe, people are comparing the Veer to the Kin?
May 11 22:22:21 <summatusmentis> they have a similar shape
May 11 22:23:09 <summatusmentis> that's mostly the reason, I assume
May 11 22:23:31 <summatusmentis> oh, and I guess the kin also had a slide out vertical keyboard
May 11 22:32:29 <oil> hey Adora, its been 3 weeks :)
May 11 22:32:39 <Adora> to the minute?
May 11 22:32:43 <oil> idk
May 11 22:32:44 <oil> probably not
May 11 22:32:45 <oil> heh
May 11 22:32:47 <halfhalo> lol
May 11 22:32:59 <Adora> I talked to the nerds about this yesterday
May 11 22:33:00 <oil> i could look in the logs and see exactly :)
May 11 22:35:04 <SineOt> what was it that was supposed to happen, oil?
May 11 22:35:29 <oil> the record of wirc getting deleted
May 11 22:35:36 <SineOt> ah
May 11 22:36:06 <Adora> the script is ready to go in the next update
May 11 22:36:13 <oil> nice
May 11 22:36:15 <Adora> (I couldn't explain why it can't be executed at any time)
May 11 22:36:36 <Adora> but they said they'll be able to run it by the end of the week
May 11 22:36:55 <Adora> and I let them know that you're tracking that 3 week eta with a stopwatch, so they're gonna try to move it up
May 11 22:37:35 <oil> lol
May 11 22:37:45 <oil> now the question is, does the week end on saturday?
May 11 22:37:46 <oil> heh
May 11 22:37:49 <SineOt> man oil what did you break
May 11 22:38:06 <oil> nothing
May 11 22:39:57 <Tibfib> fine since halfhalo won't say it.
May 11 22:39:58 <Tibfib> lies
May 11 22:40:06 <oil> psh
May 11 22:40:17 <halfhalo> whowhatnow?
May 11 22:40:36 <oil> tibfib being a meanie
May 11 22:40:53 <Tibfib> someone had to say it.
May 11 22:40:58 <halfhalo> thats my job!
May 11 22:41:01 <oil> no, nothing had to be said
May 11 22:42:43 * halfhalo goes back to slapping this js into shape
May 11 22:42:53 <summatusmentis> that's disgusting halfhalo
May 11 22:43:04 <summatusmentis> at least use a better euphemism next time
May 11 22:43:31 <halfhalo> have to replicate the jqueryui modal box using straight js.
May 11 22:43:45 <halfhalo> and it has to be done via js only, no html to start with
May 11 22:46:17 <dohtem> whoosh!
May 11 22:49:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> can someone who knows computational photography better than I do please estimate the function and the sigma of the blur fliter used in the Exhibition Mode time wallpaper? Thanks.
May 11 22:50:14 <madnificent> IGNTNUNLMTD: quite hard to estimate if you don't know the orginal (I wouldn't know either case)
May 11 22:50:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I figured, I more asked for comedic value
May 11 22:50:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 11 22:50:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I think it's gaussian though
May 11 22:50:44 * SineOt just fucks with it until it looks close
May 11 22:50:51 <SineOt> also, the original is a picture of blue flowers
May 11 22:50:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> SineOt: THIS.
May 11 22:51:10 <SineOt> some kind of daisy by the look of it
May 11 22:51:17 <SineOt> probably drawn and not really a photograph
May 11 22:51:59 <SineOt> something like this http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/59601585_6339e39910.jpg
May 11 22:52:41 <dohtem> http://chrome.angrybirds.com/angrybirds/json/Level1.json <- ooh
May 11 22:53:03 <SineOt> ANGRY BIRDS LEVEL EDITOR :O
May 11 22:53:37 <dawm> there.. radio situation solved
May 11 22:53:47 <oil> counts.birds = 50 WIN
May 11 22:53:54 <dawm> bought an 07 factory radio on ebay for $100
May 11 22:53:56 <SineOt> deep. I hate switching to Safari, opening a new tab, and then forgetting what I was going to open the new tab for in the first place
May 11 22:54:08 <dohtem> SineOt: Get on that KIRF Angry Birds!
May 11 22:54:17 <dawm> i get aux input, ipod ability (need to buy an adapter) and 6disc mp3
May 11 22:54:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> THE LEVELS ARE JUST JSONS?!?
May 11 22:54:21 <SineOt> Disgruntled Otters!
May 11 22:54:43 <dohtem> Disfigured Walruses!
May 11 22:54:57 <SineOt> You can't really fling a walrus!
May 11 22:55:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you can
May 11 22:55:07 <SineOt> Otters though are basically meat missiles just waiting to be fired.
May 11 22:55:09 <dohtem> IGNTNUNLMTD: the entire thing is json/js/html/css
May 11 22:55:13 <SineOt> Pew pew pew.
May 11 22:55:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you just need a very high elastic potential energy
May 11 22:55:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> even the physics? I'm surprised JS can handle that
May 11 22:55:34 <oil> pissed off animals
May 11 22:55:35 <dohtem> http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/good/chrome-angry-birds.html <- ok, there's a teeny bit of Flash there too
May 11 22:55:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bleh
May 11 22:55:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I mean the webOS version
May 11 22:56:27 <dohtem> lol oil, just saw that
May 12 00:14:11 <SineOt> Anyone here use Textual as their IRC client? I just finished building a theme based off of Reeder if anyone is interested… I know you use it, Adora
May 12 00:14:26 <halfhalo> yeah, but Adora be crazy
May 12 00:14:27 <Adora> OH?
May 12 00:14:33 <Adora> textual is awesome
May 12 00:15:21 * halfhalo uses colloquy built from source
May 12 00:16:12 <halfhalo> its made with love and puppies and unicorns
May 12 00:16:23 <SineOt> I used to use that. Now I use Textual built from source.
May 12 00:16:44 <SineOt> Anyways! Adora: http://cl.ly/0x0Y1K3I3U0Q2M3D1z0c
May 12 00:17:02 <SineOt> Sample of the theme, theme itself: http://cl.ly/3d082W0m201j0t1Z3A1X
May 12 00:19:24 <dohtem> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/05/10-reasons-for-geeks-to-love-hp-webos/
May 12 00:20:01 <Adora> SineOt:  nice!
May 12 00:21:06 <SineOt> yeah, pretty happy with it. easy on the eyes as hell :B
May 12 00:45:34 <madnificent> dohtem: hah! now I can expand the things I say to other people when they ask me 'why webos?'
May 12 00:48:07 <dohtem> madnificent: There's a discussion on HN here - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2538655
May 12 00:52:21 <Guest17917> Bonnie from cnet rated the veer really poor.
May 12 00:53:52 <dohtem> Bonnie Cha!
May 12 00:54:07 * dohtem used to watche those CNET vids
May 12 01:06:25 <Guest17917> 2.5 stars
May 12 01:06:49 <halfhalo> its not like net is reliable or anything
May 12 01:06:55 <Guest17917> I wonder how palm conducts market research
May 12 01:21:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Guest17917: bogosort
May 12 01:29:36 <dawm> http://youtu.be/3RNdIMOzBAk
May 12 01:29:38 <dawm> Hahaha
May 12 01:30:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahahah my friend just got a 2007 WRX
May 12 01:32:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dawm: you a NAISOC member?
May 12 01:32:42 <dawm> yes
May 12 01:32:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> whatcha drive?
May 12 01:33:01 <dawm> ugh 06 sti
May 12 01:33:40 <dawm> ive been a member since 11/09 but i got my first subaru in march of this year :P
May 12 01:34:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> "ugh sti"...? what's wrong with it?
May 12 01:34:57 <dawm> ugh cause im pretty sure ive said it before :P
May 12 01:35:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not to me
May 12 01:35:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm the new guy in here
May 12 01:35:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I mean, I've idled forever
May 12 01:35:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I'm only now chatting
May 12 01:35:48 <dawm> heh, but yes i love it, got it completely stock, never modded cept coil overs and muffler delete
May 12 01:36:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> muffler delete? that would mutilate my eardrums in 10 minutes if I did that to mine
May 12 01:37:00 <dawm> i enjoy it
May 12 01:37:15 <dawm> i had a hks hi-power cbe on it for 2 days.. bought it, installed it then sold it was too quiet
May 12 01:37:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 12 01:37:53 <dawm> ive added a grimmspeed master cyl brace, and a buttload of kartboy bushings
May 12 01:38:07 <dawm> oh and hella supertones
May 12 01:39:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm still under warranty so I'm doing nothing but software
May 12 01:39:28 <dawm> what do you have?
May 12 01:39:36 <dawm> yeah mines got 65k on it
May 12 01:41:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 2008 Volkswagen R32 Mk V, 40k miles
May 12 01:41:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> doing ECU and transmission software this summer
May 12 01:42:26 <dawm> nice
May 12 01:42:55 <dawm> i had a 07 caliber R/T (5spd FWD) prior to the subaru.. i just couldnt take it no longer
May 12 01:43:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow, you're a trooper for lasting any time at all with that
May 12 01:43:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> at least it was manual
May 12 01:43:42 <dawm> well i have a 98 Neon R/T Built 2.4L turbo project car
May 12 01:43:49 <dawm> so i figured i could have a semi normal car for a daily
May 12 01:44:52 <dawm> before the caliber i had a 02 Neon R/T done up with pretty much everything but internals, but after racing it alot and my buddy grenading a clutch in it, it was starting to show its age so i got the caliber
May 12 01:45:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> why the dodge affinity?
May 12 01:45:16 <dawm> i <3 neons
May 12 01:46:02 <dawm> ive had a 97, 02, 95, 98, 98
May 12 01:46:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha DAMN
May 12 01:46:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 12 01:46:25 <dawm> the 95 i bought as a project but it was failure after i got it so i sold it on ebay (got my money back)
May 12 01:46:36 <dawm> the 98 i still have, and the other 98 was one i got for my mom ($300)
May 12 01:47:03 <dawm> i had a civic before the 97, but the neon was so much better
May 12 01:47:49 <dawm> i run detroitneonowners.org, i used to run (but still own the domain, lent it to an east coast club) neontuners.com/justaneon.com
May 12 01:48:00 <dawm> subaru's are completely different beasts..
May 12 01:48:06 <dawm> you change a lug nut and you need a tune..
May 12 01:48:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow
May 12 01:48:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do you still own any sites/forums?
May 12 01:49:01 <dawm> yeah i run/own detroitneonowners.org
May 12 01:49:35 <dawm> i lent neontuners.com to neontuners.org when their dumbasses lost their domain to renewal failure and a squatter
May 12 01:50:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> how big is your userbase?
May 12 01:50:36 <dawm> i havent checked in awhile, we have a bunch of stale users from when we held the big national neon meet back in 05
May 12 01:50:59 <dawm> says 1500~ users
May 12 01:51:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nice
May 12 01:51:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my friend and I are working on a pretty big project
May 12 01:52:12 <dawm> dno has been around for a long time, i didnt join up till 04 when i moved back to Michigan
May 12 01:52:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for forum users
May 12 01:52:34 <dawm> last year i took over cause the guy that was running it wasnt interested in doing it anymore
May 12 01:52:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> do you have tapatalk running on your forum, by chance?
May 12 01:52:59 <dawm> yeah on dno, which reminds me i need to update it
May 12 01:53:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> cool
May 12 01:54:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what's your opinion of automotive social networking beyond forums? what do you think the biggest problems are with the current options?
May 12 01:55:01 <dawm> they all suck
May 12 01:55:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> agreed... any particular reasons why? like CarDomain, what sucks so bad about it?
May 12 01:55:51 <dawm> i dunno i havent been on there in ages
May 12 01:55:56 <dawm> i hated it back then
May 12 01:56:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> too much MySpace, am I right? not enough focus?
May 12 01:56:19 <dawm> w/ cardomain it allowed too much customization
May 12 01:56:28 <dawm> if cardomain is like myspace
May 12 01:56:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> indeed
May 12 01:56:32 <dawm> there needs to be a facebook version
May 12 01:56:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :)
May 12 01:56:41 <dawm> less user custo
May 12 02:25:24 <halfhalo> fuuuu
May 12 02:25:32 <halfhalo> car has to go in
May 12 02:31:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> @IGNTNUNLMTD|Pre2 ohai
May 12 02:31:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD|Pre2> Hai!
May 12 02:31:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wIRC is PERFECT
May 12 02:32:38 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: shhh, you'll make oil get a big head
May 12 02:32:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 12 02:38:20 <Tibfib> http://scanwiches.com/
May 12 02:40:08 <SineOt> Damn I'm hungry.
May 12 02:40:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tibfib: cool site!
May 12 02:40:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> SineOt: same.
May 12 02:40:53 <SineOt> "Homemade: Nutella, Cream Cheese, Raspberry Jelly, Cinnamon Powder, On French Toast" ngghgh I KNOW WHAT I'M MAKING THIS WEEKEND
May 12 02:41:07 <Codhisattva> bah
May 12 02:41:22 <Codhisattva> skip the Cream Cheese, Raspberry Jelly and Cinnamon Powder
May 12 02:41:32 <Codhisattva> nutella stuffed french toast
May 12 02:41:32 <SineOt> Nooooooo way.
May 12 02:41:35 <Codhisattva> like a boss
May 12 02:41:50 <SineOt> Although I'll go one up and get some killer sourdough for it.
May 12 02:42:07 <SineOt> I was SO bummed when I was in Ottawa and sourdough was like, nonexistent.
May 12 02:43:53 <SineOt> Although a lot of scrub tier PB&J on here. Everyone knows you should put the PB thin on BOTH slices of bread. You won't get jelly drips coming through holes in the bread!
May 12 02:44:03 <SineOt> And if your bread doesn't have holes in it GET BETTER BREAD >:O
May 12 02:47:38 <Loudergood> indeed
May 12 02:48:02 <Loudergood> I feel the same about cheese
May 12 02:48:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 's new pre2 should be here tomorrow :D
May 12 02:50:48 <halfhalo> boomheadshot
May 12 02:51:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> huh? lol
May 12 02:51:31 * halfhalo busts out ut2003
May 12 02:52:26 <halfhalo> purely for the announcer
May 12 02:53:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> halfhalo: why not 2k4? :(
May 12 02:53:33 <halfhalo> because only 2k4 is installed atm
May 12 02:53:38 <halfhalo> and ut3
May 12 02:54:23 <halfhalo> and unreal... hmmm
May 12 02:54:33 <halfhalo> why _isn't_ ut2k4 installed...
May 12 02:56:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> LOVE 2k4
May 12 02:58:56 <halfhalo> on second thought... brink
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