**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 12 02:59:58 2011
May 12 03:00:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol, or that
May 12 03:01:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but damn, 2k4 has lived quite a life
May 12 03:01:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the servers are still very active
May 12 03:02:30 <halfhalo> ya
May 12 03:02:44 <halfhalo> ut3 is not a bad game by any stretch... but... i just dont play it
May 12 03:03:41 * PatrickC_Pre2 is lost :P
May 12 03:03:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> likewise
May 12 03:04:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I bet I'd like it more if I hadn't first gotten it for the 360
May 12 03:04:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> stupid move
May 12 03:04:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> returned it
May 12 03:04:14 <halfhalo> yeah
May 12 03:04:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> at the time I didn't have a capable computer though
May 12 03:04:28 <halfhalo> although the ut game for og xbox was decent enough
May 12 03:04:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> championship/2
May 12 03:04:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?
May 12 03:04:51 <halfhalo> yeah
May 12 03:04:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I had both
May 12 03:05:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> loved the original
May 12 03:05:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> great party game
May 12 03:05:15 <halfhalo> only had the liandri conflict or whatever one
May 12 03:05:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
May 12 03:05:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 2
May 12 03:05:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I liked that but not as much for some reason
May 12 03:08:11 <halfhalo> brink is fun
May 12 03:08:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> looks it
May 12 03:08:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have too many damn games to play :/
May 12 03:14:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's a bad thing? lol
May 12 03:15:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
May 12 03:15:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no time
May 12 03:15:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lots I wanna play
May 12 03:15:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Minecraft and Portal 2 I'll buy when school ends
May 12 03:16:49 <halfhalo> minecraft is the biggest timesink since starcraft
May 12 03:16:51 <Loudergood> I hear you
May 12 03:16:57 <Loudergood> I'm days away from that
May 12 03:17:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> likewise :P
May 12 03:17:16 <Loudergood> after tomorrow I'll collapse and sleep for about a week
May 12 03:18:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I hear that
May 12 03:18:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my sleep schedule is backwards right now
May 12 03:18:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sleep 5:30 to 3 PM
May 12 03:18:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> need to fix that, kinda
May 12 03:37:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I think PreCentral should remove thread ratins
May 12 03:37:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ratings*
May 12 03:37:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> why?
May 12 03:38:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> some hater downrates all positive threads and upranks complaint threads and negative threads
May 12 03:38:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> at least in the non-dev and app forums
May 12 03:38:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> then he should be ban (I think)
May 12 03:38:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well I'm not sure it's one person
May 12 03:38:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but it's annoying
May 12 03:42:51 <SineOt> tbh most of PreCentral should be burnt to the ground
May 12 03:43:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> agreed
May 12 03:43:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so many ungrateful, annoying idiots
May 12 03:45:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously, if the only reason you're there is to bitch n moan about webOS or HP or anything else, move along... 'cept I can't say that on there or *I'll* get banned
May 12 03:45:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 12 03:46:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> why can't there be a site run by webOS people who are webOS people exclusively?
May 12 03:46:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> all the staff of PreCentral work for SmartphoneExperts
May 12 03:46:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> we should start one
May 12 03:46:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 12 03:46:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 goes to make one
May 12 03:47:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> "Warning: maximum recursion depth for variable 'freeTime' exceeded on Line 213233212131"
May 12 03:49:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://weboscentral.zzl.org
May 12 03:54:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> household wifi went down
May 12 03:54:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> freeTether FTW!!! :D
May 12 05:20:24 <halfhalo> bleh tethering is to much work
May 12 05:44:47 <oil> http://i54.tinypic.com/2hqv1p2.png
May 12 05:46:06 <halfhalo> hahahaha
May 12 05:46:41 <halfhalo> facehp
May 12 05:46:49 * halfhalo slaps himself for saying that
May 12 05:47:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol oil
May 12 05:51:45 <oil> :)
May 12 06:04:29 <oil> Adora: its not rwhitbys fault he has a funny accent haha
May 12 06:05:18 * rwhitby pushes an interesting patch ...
May 12 06:06:29 <halfhalo> oh, whitepages... they don't like me anymore
May 12 06:07:55 <halfhalo> even with the limited beta release I did of whatever app i made that talked to whitpages (totally forgot the name... wow...), I hit the api limit within an hour every day.
May 12 06:08:25 <summatusmentis> damn
May 12 06:09:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> halfhalo: ?
May 12 06:09:39 <halfhalo> its a patch that ties whitepages into the call log
May 12 06:09:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 12 06:09:56 <halfhalo> their api key is going to be hit sooooo hard its not even funny
May 12 06:10:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and the whitepages end of things is being bad?
May 12 06:10:23 <halfhalo> theres only like 15k queries allowed per day iirc for the free plan
May 12 06:10:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> how much is the pay plan?
May 12 06:10:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh wait, it's a patch, not an app
May 12 06:11:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> screw that
May 12 06:11:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> unless you sell the patch :P
May 12 06:11:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what is it, like callerID?
May 12 06:12:37 <halfhalo> reverse phone lookup that gets name, address, and other numbers
May 12 06:12:43 <halfhalo> if available
May 12 06:13:31 <summatusmentis> sweet, I'd use that if it were free
May 12 06:14:33 <halfhalo> yeah, its a really nice api, but just.... limited
May 12 06:18:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 2 searches per second per api key
May 12 06:18:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol right
May 12 06:19:13 <hotdp> api for?
May 12 06:19:31 <summatusmentis> can you concatenate calls? make a bunch of requests in one call?
May 12 06:19:39 <halfhalo> nope
May 12 06:20:12 <summatusmentis> is that api specific? or is there an overarching reason for it?
May 12 06:20:16 <halfhalo> hell, I ended up caching and pipelining them through my own server
May 12 06:20:28 <halfhalo> just their api that does it
May 12 06:20:30 <halfhalo> iirc
May 12 06:20:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> a bunch of people could get API keys
May 12 06:20:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and then we could funnel all the the info to a cache
May 12 06:21:46 <halfhalo> I wouldn't use something that did that patchwise
May 12 06:22:27 <halfhalo> unless it was cached on a central, secure, well known server, which would be a pain
May 12 06:23:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and plus it would get hosed
May 12 06:23:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> with requests
May 12 06:23:21 <halfhalo> meh, thats not so much an issue
May 12 06:23:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> also, when did it retrieve the data?
May 12 06:23:42 <halfhalo> if its also locally cached
May 12 06:39:29 <hotdp> hmm
May 12 06:39:51 <hotdp> have there been any news if it will be possible to connect the TochPad to TV?
May 12 06:49:18 <summatusmentis> I haven't heard anything
May 12 06:50:42 <hotdp> bummer
May 12 06:51:07 <summatusmentis> not that you couldn't start a company that provides set-top boxes and write an app for webos that would allow things like this
May 12 06:51:43 <summatusmentis> or potentially hack you tv and write an 'app' for it, depending on how new it is (if that's possible)
May 12 06:52:18 <summatusmentis> also depending on how new your tv is
May 12 06:53:01 <hotdp> I really want to connect my  tablet to the tv :S
May 12 06:54:33 <summatusmentis> well, do you want to stream content? or do you want to use it as a remote?
May 12 06:54:49 <hotdp> i want to stream
May 12 06:55:37 <summatusmentis> so, in theory, if you've got a set-top box (media pc, or whatever), you could setup streaming from a webos device to the set-top box
May 12 06:55:55 <summatusmentis> most of them I think are designed to go the other way, but if you built one or something, you could maybe make it work
May 12 06:55:58 <summatusmentis> it'd be kinda hacky
May 12 07:02:59 <hotdp> No i dont wonna use a set-top box
May 12 07:03:03 <hotdp> thats the whole point
May 12 07:03:14 <hotdp> i dont wonna have alot of devices turned on
May 12 07:03:23 <hotdp> only the tv and the tablet
May 12 07:03:36 <rwhitby> gonna be a bit hard getting the touchpad to talk to my old Loewe CRT ;)
May 12 07:03:53 <hotdp> we have streaming sites optimized for tablets so when watching movies on iPad2 connected to tv is perfect
May 12 07:04:34 <hotdp> What ports are there on the touchpad? Is there anythin official on that?
May 12 07:04:48 <rwhitby> usb, that's it
May 12 07:05:13 <hotdp> would it be possible to have a adaptor via usb that could work?
May 12 07:05:22 <hotdp> (calculating the chances for tv connection)
May 12 07:07:27 <summatusmentis> hey rwhitby, how much do you know about the hardware of the pre?
May 12 07:07:37 <summatusmentis> physical cables and so forth
May 12 07:07:50 <summatusmentis> (rather than specifications)
May 12 07:08:35 <rwhitby> not much
May 12 07:08:58 <summatusmentis> hrm
May 12 07:09:23 <summatusmentis> I seem to have peeled part of a cable off? or something?
May 12 07:09:36 <summatusmentis> was wondering how crucial it is
May 12 07:09:48 <hotdp> lol
May 12 07:10:06 <rwhitby> most the cables are just there for show. they do nothing.
May 12 07:10:30 <hotdp> exactly
May 12 07:10:45 <summatusmentis> I mean, it's clearly there for a purpose
May 12 07:10:59 <summatusmentis> the phone still functions fine, I'm more worried about internal damage
May 12 07:11:40 <rwhitby> photo?
May 12 07:11:45 <summatusmentis> http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Palm-Pre-Teardown/809/2#s4370 <-- the cable shown here bends as the pre slides open and shut, somehow a layer separated from the rest, and the creases caused it to break
May 12 07:12:43 <summatusmentis> I don't have a photo of the actual device, it's my every day phone, and I've been in the middle of finals week
May 12 07:13:11 <summatusmentis> I should know, I assembled this phone from parts from two different broken pre's
May 12 07:13:17 <summatusmentis> s/know/note/
May 12 07:14:21 <rwhitby> that cable is the connection between the omap board and the comms board
May 12 07:14:41 <rwhitby> it's basically a lot of power signals and a high speed internal usb interface
May 12 07:15:19 <summatusmentis> so potentially the reason my phone hasn't been as reliable about sending/receiving sms
May 12 07:15:48 <summatusmentis> if the layer that came off was helping with interference and so forth?
May 12 07:18:47 <rwhitby> maybe
May 12 07:18:59 <rwhitby> I'd expect to either work or not, since it's a usb interface
May 12 07:19:10 <summatusmentis> oh, this has been very intermittent
May 12 07:19:11 <rwhitby> only two data wires, and you need both
May 12 07:19:36 <summatusmentis> right. Ok, so, should I worry if I'm not noticing any different in phone operation?
May 12 07:19:40 <summatusmentis> will it damage anything?
May 12 07:19:52 <rwhitby> just that cable
May 12 07:20:07 <summatusmentis> to the point where it may fail in the future?
May 12 07:20:18 <rwhitby> i would expect so
May 12 07:26:36 <summatus|pre> rwhitby: can you resend your response, if there was one? My home internet connection just dropped out
May 12 07:26:47 <rwhitby> "i would expect so"
May 12 07:27:57 <summatus|pre> oh, ok, thanks. Hopefully I can make it last until there's new hardware. I could go back to the other, sticky, slider if I need to
May 12 07:49:35 <Adora> rwhitby:  the snow is falling on the ground
May 12 07:50:03 <rwhitby> the cow is out of the pasture
May 12 07:50:32 <rwhitby> and the crow has already flown east at midnight
May 12 07:50:39 <Adora> hahahahaha
May 12 07:51:07 * hotdp try too decryption
May 12 07:51:20 <hotdp> -ion
May 12 07:51:58 <rwhitby> Adora: oh, and the chocolate has been eaten
May 12 07:52:30 <rwhitby> the penguin with the hat set it straight
May 12 07:53:26 <Adora> good good
May 12 07:55:51 * PatrickC_Pre2 can't sleep :'(
May 12 07:56:33 <hotdp> stop drinking coffee
May 12 07:56:48 <rwhitby> and go back to your normal timezone
May 12 07:56:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think its just anticipation+sweet tea lol
May 12 07:57:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> I get my drivers permit later today!! :D
May 12 07:57:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> (its 2:54AM here)
May 12 07:57:25 <summatusmentis> dude, you're drinking sweet tea at 3 in the morning?
May 12 07:57:32 <hotdp> lol
May 12 07:57:42 <summatusmentis> if it were me, I'd be up for hours
May 12 07:58:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> I drank it at like 9PM.. caffeine keeps me up lol
May 12 07:58:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I want my drivers license baaad :P
May 12 07:59:07 <summatusmentis> caffeine keeps me up too, I don't handle it well
May 12 07:59:10 <hotdp> så you are 16?
May 12 07:59:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> 15
May 12 07:59:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I get my permit
May 12 07:59:30 <dkirker> Adora!
May 12 07:59:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> and my new phone that HP is sending.. it'll be here today.. later in the morning
May 12 07:59:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker!
May 12 07:59:58 <dkirker> hi PatrickC_Pre2!
May 12 08:00:13 <dkirker> wtf am I doing up?
May 12 08:00:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin? lol
May 12 08:00:31 <dkirker> busy as all hell...
May 12 08:00:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha I wonder the same thing about me.. its like 3am..
May 12 08:00:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> good busy, or bad? :)
May 12 08:01:04 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_Pre2: can I ask where you're located?
May 12 08:01:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> near Nashville TN
May 12 08:01:25 <summatusmentis> oh, way south :)
May 12 08:01:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> just outside of it :)
May 12 08:01:38 <summatusmentis> I'm in MN, but we're in the same timezone, which is why I ask
May 12 08:01:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> where are you? if you don't mind me asking
May 12 08:01:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh. nm lol.. didn't read up :P
May 12 08:02:01 <summatusmentis> no worries
May 12 08:02:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> who wants to be a part of my feedback team?
May 12 08:02:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> free apps :D
May 12 08:02:23 <summatusmentis> for what?
May 12 08:02:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> my apps.. they aren't the greatest, and with only like 20-30 downloads in the catalog, not many people leave reviews
May 12 08:03:04 <summatusmentis> what are they?
May 12 08:03:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> I want to improve them, so I need feedback :)
May 12 08:03:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> Just a Flashlight Plus and Fog Horn right now, but I'm in the process of developing more
May 12 08:03:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 goes to see where his package is right now
May 12 08:04:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> still in KY..
May 12 08:05:54 <summatusmentis> I think I'll pass, I'm not sure I'd use either of those enough for me to be able to provide useful feedback
May 12 08:07:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
May 12 08:16:34 * PatrickC_Pre2 is gonna try to go to sleep
May 12 11:36:18 <Simpson_2> ah finaly virtualbox 4 support in webos SDK !
May 12 11:38:07 <hotdp> And what feature have you been missing?
May 12 11:41:17 <Simpson_2> in what regard ?
May 12 11:41:52 <hotdp> version 4
May 12 11:42:01 <hotdp> since you are so happy about it?
May 12 11:42:24 <Simpson_2> well its hard on newer linux releases to install a old vbox version
May 12 11:42:46 <hotdp> ok
May 12 11:42:57 <Simpson_2> or if have it installed already all you need to revert to old release of vbox to get emulators to setup
May 12 11:43:08 <Simpson_2> just hope they release it for 2.x SDK as well
May 12 12:20:36 <madnificent> Simpson_2: ndk
May 12 12:20:40 <madnificent> Simpson_2: nda
May 12 12:20:42 <madnificent> sorry
May 12 12:22:43 <Simpson_2> ?
May 12 12:35:17 <madnificent> Simpson_2: virtualbox 4 <- you're not talking about the 2.x or 1.x SDK, I presumed
May 12 12:36:47 <Simpson_2> ah like that, no unfortunatly not ;((
May 12 12:58:54 <PatrickC_Sleepin> morning
May 12 13:00:05 <cwayne> PatrickC_Sleepin: afternoon.
May 12 13:01:06 <PatrickC> hey cwayne
May 12 13:01:50 <cwayne> PatrickC: yo
May 12 13:02:49 * PatrickC is soooo excited today!!!!! :D
May 12 13:05:34 <cwayne> PatrickC: why?
May 12 13:05:51 <PatrickC> I get a phone and my permit today :)
May 12 13:06:12 <cwayne> hah goddamn youre young
May 12 13:06:16 <cwayne> congrats
May 12 13:06:48 <PatrickC> well... my pre2's wifi radio is acting up, so palm is sending me a replacement :)
May 12 13:07:03 <PatrickC> and I will hopefully be able to drive legally lol
May 12 13:07:22 <cwayne> lol
May 12 13:07:31 * cwayne is sooooooooooooo tired
May 12 13:07:38 * PatrickC is too
May 12 13:07:44 <PatrickC> I couldn't sleep last night...
May 12 13:08:46 <cwayne> PatrickC: me either, but prolly for different reasons
May 12 13:10:01 <PatrickC> yeah, probably lol
May 12 13:10:26 <PatrickC> (it was probably excitement for me :)
May 12 13:10:49 <PatrickC> package should be here by ~10:30am
May 12 13:34:45 * cwayne needs a nap or two
May 12 13:37:36 <stbuehler> cwayne: two at the same time! http://www.gocomics.com/garfield/2011/05/10/
May 12 13:38:26 <cwayne> stbuehler: challenge accepted
May 12 13:42:56 * PatrickC wants a jet powered skateboard now :P
May 12 14:51:46 <halfhalo> totally should take bets on how much its going to cost me to get my car fixed.  I'm personally going with 500.
May 12 14:57:48 <halfhalo> yay random squeals!
May 12 14:59:05 <PatrickC> halfhalo: what's wrong with the car??
May 12 14:59:46 <DogWater> Hmm, got a Nexus S 4G yesterday, this morning I ended up using my original Sprint pre with it's cracked screen to check my email and listen to Pandora in the shower. Kudos to Palm/HP for addicting me.
May 12 14:59:47 <halfhalo> hell if I know.  its squealing while drivin, so going int toyota place at 9:30
May 12 15:01:14 <DogWater> Addicting and then abandoning the addicted =D
May 12 15:01:19 <DogWater> cruel cruel world
May 12 15:04:19 <DogWater> anyway, just sharing my experience for anyone who was thinkin about switching =D
May 12 15:04:42 * halfhalo switched, but he's a cool switcher
May 12 15:07:18 <ryanwatkins> Nexus S is a nice form factor though
May 12 15:07:31 <DogWater> yeah, unless you're trying to use it for business email
May 12 15:07:32 <ryanwatkins> Love webOS, but much prefer to read on the Nexus S rather than the Pre2.
May 12 15:07:56 <DogWater> having to go into each individual message and delete it seems so primitive after using gestures for 2 years
May 12 15:07:57 <ryanwatkins> I read alot more than I write.
May 12 15:08:02 <halfhalo> hate android, but the epics screen is amawsome
May 12 15:08:02 <ryanwatkins> true
May 12 15:08:19 <Coon> anyone had iOS?
May 12 15:08:28 <Coon> i really miss 1 app here
May 12 15:08:30 <Coon> http://mdlabs.se/sleepcycle/
May 12 15:08:47 <Coon> can anyone make it? i would buy that
May 12 15:08:58 <DogWater> why even make a phone in 2011 without real multitasking and gestures?
May 12 15:09:16 <ryanwatkins> I always find the argument for a single user purchase for a dollar app entertaining.
May 12 15:10:13 <Coon> you do know they sold thousands of it?
May 12 15:10:19 <ryanwatkins> I'm sure
May 12 15:11:42 <Coon> with enthusiasm like yous you will make fortune as developer :-) good luck
May 12 15:12:05 <ryanwatkins> I'm just saying the "hey someone port this app for me and I'll give you a dollar" is not much of a good argument.
May 12 15:12:41 <madnificent> Coon: if you give a good writedown about it someone might jump in
May 12 15:13:12 <madnificent> Coon: I don't really have time to write the app atm , but I'm really interested in sleep patterns etc (eg: polyphasic sleeping), so I may be interested enough to actually write it down.
May 12 15:13:35 <madnificent> Coon: this app will be much less lucrative for WebOS though, as we have a smaller (and I reccon more serious) userbase.
May 12 15:15:03 <Coon> i never said do it for me. i just said it might be good idea. i mean they ported angry birds and they are in top list aren't they? anyways i don't have enough time to learn webos-sdk so i just came here to ask.
May 12 15:15:22 <madnificent> Coon: I didn't try to be offensive :(
May 12 15:15:53 <Coon> that's ok :-)
May 12 15:16:03 <ryanwatkins> yep, just saying the better argument is either because it will get alot of sales - more than just yours.  Or itd just be fun for a developer to build.
May 12 15:16:57 <madnificent> Coon: but I do mean it!  If you write down what it should do exactly (as in: when are you theoretically in deep sleep (from a phone's pov)) then I might write it
May 12 15:17:23 <madnificent> sigh
May 12 15:17:30 <ryanwatkins> :/
May 12 15:17:53 <PatrickC> wow...
May 12 15:18:10 <PatrickC> hey madnificent
May 12 15:18:13 <madnificent> seriously, were we /that/ offensive?
May 12 15:18:22 <PatrickC> I don't think so
May 12 15:18:25 <madnificent> hey PatrickC!
May 12 15:18:31 <madnificent> shouldn't you be on the road right now?
May 12 15:18:40 <PatrickC> hey.. who wants to contribute to writing a Mojo tutorial?
May 12 15:18:44 <summatusmentis> I also don't think he left because you were offensive
May 12 15:18:45 <madnificent> calling and driving and such... all sorts of illegal stuff with your new permit :)
May 12 15:18:55 <PatrickC> well, we might wait till tomorrow... :/
May 12 15:18:58 <PatrickC> or later today
May 12 15:19:03 <madnificent> summatusmentis: ah, that's good :)
May 12 15:19:22 <summatusmentis> madnificent: it seemed much more like a "I made my case, I'm done in IRC" leave
May 12 15:19:44 <PatrickC> I have a tutorial site ( http://simpletutorials.zzl.org ) and I want it to a 1 stop place for all tutorials
May 12 15:19:51 <madnificent> ah, different wavelengths, that's ok
May 12 15:19:59 <PatrickC> from simple HTML to advanced Objective C
May 12 15:20:11 <madnificent> PatrickC: why Mojo?  Why not target Enyo?
May 12 15:20:15 <PatrickC> to Enyo (when released) and Mojo, and everything
May 12 15:20:15 <madnificent> and why Objective C?!
May 12 15:20:35 <madnificent> my god, why do people use C (or C++ for that matter (or algol-like languages for that matter))
May 12 15:20:48 <summatusmentis> I like C
May 12 15:20:48 <PatrickC> I want my site to be known as the *1 stop* site for *all* tutorial needs :)
May 12 15:20:55 <ryanwatkins> "Writing webOS apps in Fortran for Dummies"
May 12 15:20:58 <madnificent> woah, I use a language with algol-like syntax as well (javascript)
May 12 15:21:15 <gaurav_> I'm worried about the lack of photo editing apps on webOS
May 12 15:21:18 <gaurav_> are there many?
May 12 15:21:22 * madnificent runs away screaming in dispair (but his hidden agenda states that he's just getting a coffee) 
May 12 15:21:43 <gaurav_> things like Instagram on iOS just prove how popular that area is
May 12 15:21:44 <madnificent> gaurav_: will be simpler in the future, was hard on 1.4.5 IIRC (file access etc)
May 12 15:21:51 <PatrickC> gaurav_: photoFunnia (or something like that) is a good one
May 12 15:22:07 <gaurav_> ah
May 12 15:22:13 * PatrickC yells at UPS to hurry up
May 12 15:22:58 <PatrickC> they have 10 min :P
May 12 15:23:48 <PatrickC> where do we submit wIRC feature requests?
May 12 15:23:57 <summatusmentis> ping oil :)
May 12 15:24:26 <PatrickC> oil doesn't respond to my pings anymore :/
May 12 15:24:27 <PatrickC> ooo
May 12 15:24:43 <summatusmentis> I think there's also a bug tracker
May 12 15:25:19 <Ping_Oil> oil: wIRC feature request: -- the ability to make wIRC only vibrate notifications while the phone volume is set to loud
May 12 15:26:39 <halfhalo> make a patch for it
May 12 15:26:56 * PatrickC couldn't make a patch that good :P
May 12 15:29:24 * PatrickC thought he heard a diesel engine.. but his mind was tricking him :/     
May 12 15:40:57 <halfhalo> anndddd... journey in car again
May 12 15:41:10 <halfhalo> apparently random has good taste
May 12 16:11:41 <SineOt> Holy moly this is an awesome article. http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/
May 12 16:12:12 <SineOt> They went through the 750 or so pages of documents released as part of the Skyhook lawsuit and it covers how Google controls Android.
May 12 16:15:47 <madnificent> SineOt: with 3.0 probably not going to be open source... yes, they do
May 12 16:16:22 <SineOt> madnificent: this is interesting because it's not even dealing with source code. Reading it, it's mostly about the licenses to get the Google apps like Gmail and Maps loaded on your device
May 12 16:16:57 <SineOt> and Google is kind of a dick!
May 12 16:17:21 <ryanwatkins> I assume atleast some portion of android 3.0 must be released -- where its GPL'ed code
May 12 16:20:11 <halfhalo> aannndddd now to wait for a shuttle
May 12 16:20:54 <SineOt> ryanwatkins: yeah, but I'm sure that Google can find SOME loop hole to either delay it or redact a lot of the code
May 12 16:21:10 <SineOt> but reading the stuff that didn't get redacted from the Licenses, well... Man, I can see why Skyhook is pissed
May 12 16:21:42 <ryanwatkins> Oh there is likely tons thats not GPL'ed - its not a "checkout; make install"
May 12 16:21:56 <SineOt> Samsung's license stipulates that in order to be Google certified and get the Google apps, it can't ship any other location services on the device or they lose the right to be Google certified
May 12 16:22:22 <SineOt> there's even a stipulation that Samsung can't ship anything with Android on it unless Google signs off on it
May 12 16:22:38 <SineOt> I knew Google swung the Google certified thing around like a club but this is kind of redonk
May 12 16:22:46 <NuttyBunny> So, the xperia x10 mini pro sold in Mexico is NOT google certified, as it comes with yahoo stuff?
May 12 16:23:32 <ryanwatkins> Kinda like the battles w/ Microsoft about preloading services in Windows installs by the hardware vendors.
May 12 16:23:46 <ryanwatkins> "no, you cannot put an AOL icon on the desktop".
May 12 16:24:14 <SineOt> NuttyBunny: I'm pretty sure that Sony wouldn't have shipped a device that wasn't Google Certified
May 12 16:24:36 <SineOt> If it includes Google Maps and the Market it has to be
May 12 16:25:34 <NuttyBunny> SineOt, I don't know if it's really "Google" maps, there's an icon named "Maps", and btw, NO Google Talk (I had to download the apk installer)
May 12 16:25:44 <SineOt> But does it have the Market?
May 12 16:25:53 <SineOt> The Android Market?
May 12 16:26:05 <halfhalo> my epic has no gtalk either, and its certified
May 12 16:27:14 <SineOt> The Market is probably the biggest thing you lose if you don't get Google Certified
May 12 16:27:30 <halfhalo> and that's an apk away
May 12 16:28:06 <summatusmentis> most things are "an apk away" even if you're not Google Certified
May 12 16:28:15 <summatusmentis> I used to run android on my HTC Touch
May 12 16:28:25 <NuttyBunny> SineOt, yes, it does have the market
May 12 16:28:34 <SineOt> Then it's Google Certified
May 12 16:29:59 <SineOt> Google Certified gives you access to the apps, even if they don't actually get used
May 12 16:31:53 <SineOt> Ahaha, the more I read this the more Google come across as assholes
May 12 16:32:07 <SineOt> I really recommend reading this to everyone
May 12 16:32:23 <summatusmentis> I'll read it later, need to finish this paper and not fail my test later today
May 12 16:34:58 <SineOt> goodluck summatusmentis!
May 12 16:35:37 <halfhalo> sooo bored right now
May 12 16:36:05 <SineOt> "Google needed “WiFi data collection in order to maintain and improve our WiFi location service (especially after having Street View WiFi data collection discontinued.)"
May 12 16:36:23 <SineOt> man I don't know if that's something I'd want to admit to in email, but at least it's now part of the Court record
May 12 16:37:12 <halfhalo> I could walk home faster than it takes for the shuttle to get here
May 12 16:38:20 <halfhalo> dammit toyota
May 12 16:38:39 <summatusmentis> SineOt: I don't really understand why that's incriminating, everyone knows google stores wifi location data
May 12 16:39:02 <halfhalo> although it was pretty funny when I pulled into the service bay.  the squeal was looouuuudddd.
May 12 16:39:24 <SineOt> summatusmentis: because Google forced Motorola to remove Skyhook's location services under threat of pulling all of Motorola's Google Certified devices
May 12 16:40:13 <summatusmentis> SineOt: well, yes, that's clearly true
May 12 16:40:33 <summatusmentis> so the incriminating part is the intent, not the actual act
May 12 16:40:48 <SineOt> Skyhook is suing because they're claiming that Google is using the Google Certified to act in uncompetitive ways, and I'd say having one of your high up managers say they need Google Location because THEY need wifi, and then blocking a competing service that would have collected the wifi info instead... Is pretty shitty
May 12 16:40:52 <SineOt> Yeah, basically
May 12 16:41:01 <summatusmentis> hey, halfhalo, was it you talking about a whitepages patch?
May 12 16:41:26 <SineOt> There's a bunch of Google higher ups going "we NEED that data" and then forcing Motorola through shady contract terms and threats of denying certification to make sure that Skyhook was shut out of the game
May 12 16:41:36 <summatusmentis> yes
May 12 16:42:11 <ryanwatkins> welcome to business - using leverage in contracts to get what you need for further competitive advantage.
May 12 16:42:18 <SineOt> Then they really bumbled and let Samsung ship the Galaxy S with Skyhook and pissed Motorola off :U
May 12 16:46:30 <SineOt> morning Adora
May 12 16:49:18 * halfhalo passes the taco bells and wants
May 12 16:49:35 <SineOt> Taco Bell potato tacos = <3
May 12 16:49:46 <halfhalo> bah
May 12 16:49:54 <halfhalo> 99c bean burritos
May 12 16:50:11 <SineOt> potato tacoooooos
May 12 16:50:20 <halfhalo> boooooooo
May 12 16:51:04 <SineOt> they're way good!
May 12 16:51:06 <halfhalo> bored in the car
May 12 16:51:27 <halfhalo> and apparently phone is roaming
May 12 16:51:54 <halfhalo> why? I have no idea
May 12 16:52:21 <SineOt> I've seen my Sprint Pixi roam with EVDO on before, but I'm not entirely sure it was actually EVDO and not webOS deciding to show the EVDO icon just for shits and giggles
May 12 16:52:53 <halfhalo> roaming with the 3gs now
May 12 16:53:20 <SineOt> Insane. Galaxy S II overclocked to 1.5ghz. Dual core 1.5ghz!
May 12 16:53:36 <SineOt> The Pre3 is single core, right? 1.4ghz single, TouchPad is 1.2ghz dual?
May 12 16:55:15 <summatusmentis> yeh, I believe that's right
May 12 16:55:50 <summatusmentis> google did come up with the concept of a "super phone" or whatever they called the Nexus One originally
May 12 16:55:58 <SineOt> Yeah, a "Super Phone"
May 12 16:56:28 <summatusmentis> so I would believe that they keep pushing hardware boundaries
May 12 16:57:10 <SineOt> Too bad it's still android though :p
May 12 16:57:18 <summatusmentis> granted :)
May 12 16:57:35 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure what I'm doing if there's never another webos device on sprint
May 12 16:57:48 <ryanwatkins> I felt it was more of a reference platform than the "super phone".
May 12 16:58:02 <codeslaw> re: sprint, i'm picking up a nexus s this weekend
May 12 16:58:05 <summatusmentis> ryanwatkins: it was, but it also had better specs than anything else on the market at the time
May 12 16:58:11 <codeslaw> i'll get a pre 3 when it comes out i think
May 12 16:58:11 <SineOt> For me... Probably move to ATT and just use unlocked devices
May 12 16:58:21 <ryanwatkins> thats often the case .. for a couple weeks.
May 12 16:58:42 <summatusmentis> SineOt: I've been having similar thoughts, either ATT or VZW, but I have a hard time justifying the cost
May 12 16:58:50 <summatusmentis> ryanwatkins: iirc, the NO was leaps and bounds better
May 12 16:58:53 <SineOt> as much as ATT is terrible and all and props up stupid, stupid political movements like the Tea Party, the idea of having a smartphone that lacked 3G is just painful so sorry Tmo
May 12 16:58:57 <ryanwatkins> unless they release a new reference platform device every month, its never gonna be the "super phoen" for long.
May 12 16:59:13 <summatusmentis> clearly
May 12 16:59:39 <summatusmentis> so if you consider "super phone" to be equal to "reference platform pushing the hardware boundaries"... :)
May 12 17:00:03 <SineOt> My upgrade date is in September, and my contract date is up in November, so at least I'll be poking around to see if that webOS slate rumor pans out in August
May 12 17:00:53 <SineOt> (I kind of think it will, because August would be 3 months down the line from the release of 3.0 on the Touchpad and they're going to need hardware to be the launch baby 3.0 on phones)
May 12 17:01:11 <summatusmentis> I kinda hope so, if it's true, that's what I'll do
May 12 17:01:17 <summatusmentis> I'm not switching carriers for a keyboard
May 12 17:01:22 <summatusmentis> although, I really want one
May 12 17:01:53 <SineOt> From what I've seen leaked of the 3.0 keyboard it wouldn't really be that big of an issue for me. The one in 3.0 is a lot nicer than the alpha quality thing that's on 2.0 devices
May 12 17:02:15 <SineOt> it's closer in line with the iOS keyboard than the Android ones, so that's a big plus
May 12 17:02:17 <summatusmentis> yes, I'm just not sure how I feel about touchscreen keyboards as a whole
May 12 17:02:44 <SineOt> it depends almost entirely on the keyboard, really
May 12 17:03:01 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes
May 12 17:03:04 <SineOt> I'm not a fan of the default Android one, HTC's is alright, but the iOS keyboard is still probably the best of the bunch
May 12 17:03:17 <ryanwatkins> i like not *having* to slide out the keyboard
May 12 17:04:14 <summatusmentis> ryanwatkins: I can understand that, but I want the option :)
May 12 17:04:24 <SineOt> and if the slate phone is rocking a 3.7 inch screen with an 800x480 res, that pretty much hits the sweet spot for an on screen keyboard in terms of usability
May 12 17:04:34 <ryanwatkins> ya, true.  though the tradeoff then is thickness
May 12 17:05:18 <summatusmentis> there are a _bunch_ of OSK phones out there though
May 12 17:05:22 <ryanwatkins> i also switch between phones all the time, so having to slide out the keyboard is annoying at times on webOS.
May 12 17:05:24 <summatusmentis> so they're clearly usable
May 12 17:05:26 <SineOt> if the slate turns out to be about as thick or thinner than a pixi, oh yes <3
May 12 17:05:38 <summatusmentis> I don't mind the pre thickness
May 12 17:05:38 <SineOt> well there's "usable" and then there's "nice to use"
May 12 17:05:46 <summatusmentis> and the pre3 is supposed to be skinnier
May 12 17:05:56 <SineOt> it's 1mm thinner than the Pre2
May 12 17:06:09 <ryanwatkins> ya, though not as thin as the Nexus S which is currently my fav form factor at the moment.
May 12 17:06:09 <SineOt> but looks/feels much thinner
May 12 17:06:45 <SineOt> and if there's the Pre3 slate I'd imagine it'd be even thinner. I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least Pixi thin
May 12 17:07:14 <ryanwatkins> there should be the pre3 with teh keyboard then something a good bit thinner but similar specs w/o a keyboard after that I imagine.
May 12 17:08:51 <SineOt> well, I've heard it mentioned that the Pre3 is Stingray I think
May 12 17:09:00 <SineOt> which leaves a Mantaray code name unaccounted for
May 12 17:09:12 <SineOt> perfect fit for a Pre3 without a slider, don't you think? :p
May 12 17:09:19 <ryanwatkins> ;)
May 12 17:10:19 <ryanwatkins> worried that HP is going to shoot themselves in the foot releasing 3.0 for phones much later than tablets.
May 12 17:10:55 <madnificent> ryanwatkins: they may do so regardless X(
May 12 17:11:14 <LoneStar99> morning folks
May 12 17:11:29 <ryanwatkins> lotta moving parts to keep track of
May 12 17:14:36 <SineOt> if they did release a slate, what would they call it? XD
May 12 17:14:40 <SineOt> Pre3 S?
May 12 17:14:43 <SineOt> Pixi 2?
May 12 17:14:58 <SineOt> Post? (Since it's not Pre...)
May 12 17:15:18 <halfhalo> betterthananiphone phone
May 12 17:15:39 <SineOt> the jPhone (since j is one more than i)
May 12 17:18:14 <madnificent> SineOt: javaPhone?
May 12 17:18:44 <SineOt> I still think webOS needs a mascot. A kick ass mascot
May 12 17:18:52 <SineOt> and a cat because "App Cat" is duuuumb
May 12 17:18:56 <SineOt> cats aren't totally kick ass
May 12 17:19:01 <SineOt> a civet maybe, they're kick ass
May 12 17:19:04 <SineOt> and a cat
May 12 17:19:47 <madnificent> a chipmunk
May 12 17:21:16 <SineOt> not kick ass
May 12 17:21:33 <SineOt> cute, but not kick ass
May 12 17:24:55 <SineOt> Civets: eat stuff! climb trees! produce musk that's valued for perfumes! THEY POOP THE MOST EXPENSIVE COFFEE ON EARTH :U
May 12 17:26:34 <SineOt> well, and they might give you SARS but we can ignore that for the mascot aspect
May 12 17:26:45 <djk> Will HP push an update to the old Pre's for this Vulnerability?
May 12 17:26:45 <djk> http://secunia.com/advisories/44518/
May 12 17:28:17 <SineOt> dunno, maybe that's what 1.4.5.1 was for
May 12 17:28:42 <SineOt> or not, missed that it's reported on 1.4.5.1
May 12 17:28:54 <djk> ;-)
May 12 17:29:36 <djk> They aren't updating the old Pre's to 2.x, correct?
May 12 17:30:04 <dohtem> Who's getting a Veer on Sunday?
May 12 17:30:14 <codeslaw> as a coffee snob
May 12 17:30:33 <codeslaw> i want some cat-shit coffee immediately
May 12 17:30:35 <SineOt> djk: nope. only device that saw 2.x was the O2 Pre+
May 12 17:31:10 <djk> SineOt:  that's what I thought the last word was on that, thanks
May 12 17:31:45 <SineOt> of course via metadoctor you can put 2.1 on any Pre, Pre-, Pre+, any carrier, doesn't really matter
May 12 17:32:04 <SineOt> Pixis though... Are screwed
May 12 17:32:06 <djk> really
May 12 17:33:03 * NuttyBunny sneezes
May 12 17:33:55 <djk> NuttyBunny: blessyou
May 12 17:34:10 <djk> SineOt: have you done it?
May 12 17:34:25 <SineOt> on an ATT Pre+, yeah, and a VZW Pre+
May 12 17:35:28 <djk> have the original Sprint Pre is it smooth or a gottcha's that brick it?
May 12 17:35:53 <DogWater> I just got rid of my Sprint Pre last night for a Nexus S.. still not sure I can live without my Pre
May 12 17:36:02 <DogWater> why can't they release a new phone on sprint?
May 12 17:36:05 <DogWater> ugh
May 12 17:36:19 <NuttyBunny> my gf had a hard time using 2.1 on my Pre-, I just used it for a couple of days
May 12 17:36:41 <SineOt> I think it depends, the Pre- has half the ram of the Pre+ and Pre2 so it's kind of a crap shoot
May 12 17:36:48 <SineOt> some people seem to like it, some people seem to hate it
May 12 17:37:20 <djk> sounds like safe bet is to hold tight
May 12 17:37:26 <LoneStar99> codeslaw:  what is cat-shit coffee?
May 12 17:37:39 <DogWater> djk: hold tight for what? they haven't announced anything new yet
May 12 17:37:42 <codeslaw> google civet coffee
May 12 17:38:12 <dohtem> LoneStar99: you just had to ask, huh?
May 12 17:38:24 <SineOt> there's a species of civet that loves to eat coffee beans
May 12 17:38:29 <djk> Wish HP moved faster on getting more news products out.
May 12 17:38:39 <SineOt> but it's picky as hell and will actively seek out and eat the best beans it can find
May 12 17:38:41 <LoneStar99> nice I want some LOL
May 12 17:39:01 <SineOt> which get processed with digestive enzymes and bacteria in the digestive tract
May 12 17:39:05 <LoneStar99> jk, i do not really drink coffee, only tea
May 12 17:39:11 <DogWater> Plus I am not sure I would buy another webos phone if it's going to take them 2 years to release new ones
May 12 17:39:15 <SineOt> it's supposed to be a fairly low acid coffee from what I remember, but it's expensive
May 12 17:39:16 <codeslaw> relevant: i once walked into a pizza restauraunt in canada that smelled like cat piss
May 12 17:39:47 <SineOt> relevant: I once walked into a pizza restaurant in Canada and had a slice of pepperoni pizza with brown gravy on it and it was deliciousssssss
May 12 17:40:10 <Guest26407> Get a veer
May 12 17:40:21 <DogWater> veer is on AT&T at&t sucks.
May 12 17:40:23 <SineOt> DogWater: keep in mind that the Palm that released the Pixi and the Pre2 was a Palm that was staring bankruptcy in the face
May 12 17:40:54 <SineOt> there really isn't much to go on now that HP is in charge since this is really the first product cycle where they aren't budget constrained
May 12 17:40:56 <Guest26407> Releasing pre and pixi didn't help much either
May 12 17:41:12 <Guest26407> If they had decent product they might still be alive
May 12 17:41:28 <SineOt> they'd have had decent product if they had had the budget to make them
May 12 17:41:34 * dohtem is still waiting for his high end webOS phone.
May 12 17:41:55 <Guest26407> Os could have done with some work befre release also
May 12 17:42:10 <dohtem> now Androids are coming out with dual core 1.2 ghz...
May 12 17:42:11 <SineOt> and again: budget
May 12 17:43:48 <Guest26407> I wonder if 3.0 will speed up webos. Make it as smooth as android win 7 and ios
May 12 17:43:50 <DogWater> dohtem: Yes but the email client on the android I just bought is horrible, it doesn't support gesture input, and it doesn't multitask
May 12 17:44:05 <DogWater> but my Pre has a cracked screen so I had to do something
May 12 17:44:14 <SineOt> lipstick on a pig as it were, DogWater? :p
May 12 17:44:37 <Guest26407> The android email cleint is really best for gmail
May 12 17:44:39 <dohtem> DogWater: the regular email client is bad, but the gmail one it tops
May 12 17:44:49 <dohtem> I use gmail.
May 12 17:45:29 <Guest26407> It works good for me. I liked the pre email client better
May 12 17:53:47 <DogWater> Ah, I use exchange... so I need a decent email client
May 12 18:03:32 <ajay> is anybody here on the att devcast now?
May 12 18:06:05 <maik> man, i'm really thinking about getting a Galaxy S2 :(
May 12 18:42:15 <ajay> was anyone in the att devcast?
May 12 18:53:06 <alcane> who's excited for June? ;)
May 12 18:54:34 <hotdp> MEMEMEME
May 12 18:55:03 <alcane> i'm barely gonna be using my computer after i get that Touchpad, lol
May 12 18:58:18 <Simpson_2> I'll be traveling to the US in june I do hope I find a touchpad in a store there
May 12 19:06:12 <hotdp> I just hope i can connect the touchpad to te tv
May 12 19:43:11 <stbuehler> hi, i got some questions relating Control.Future (i think some functions should be either fixed or dropped); i couldn't find a discussion in the forums
May 12 19:43:55 <stbuehler> i think both Future.nest and Future.now will probably never do what any developer thinks they do
May 12 19:49:02 <stbuehler> so question number one: should i ask in the forum or are there any devs "responsible" for Control.Future here?
May 12 20:03:38 <ajay> dd
May 12 20:07:30 <haeffb> stbuehler: the questions you are asking here sound like they might be about something covered by an NDA
May 12 20:11:05 <rwhitby> haeffb: Future classes are in webOS 2.1 public SDK
May 12 20:11:17 <ryanwatkins> indeed
May 12 20:11:38 <haeffb> never mind then
May 12 20:11:52 <rwhitby> basically there's no mojo still under NDA, and no Enyo outside of NDA
May 12 20:12:11 * haeffb has never looked at Future, so...
May 12 20:13:02 <halfhalo> as much as I love node, the way its currently implemented for services is just... bleh.
May 12 20:13:11 <haeffb> ...right, I'm always stuck in Past
May 12 20:13:26 <halfhalo> almost got it building in widk tho, which is nice.  just have to get around this pthread thing
May 12 20:15:00 <stbuehler> haeffb: i'm aleady using futures with node services, and it is a nice concept
May 12 20:15:14 <stbuehler> but looks i'll have to post in the forums
May 12 20:18:14 <stbuehler> but first i'll try to provide saner functions for similar needs :)
May 12 20:25:40 <ryanwatkins> has anyone mounted their device or emulator filesystem via ssh and just directly edited files there for app development rather than package and install?  using something like Expandrive or MacFUSE?
May 12 20:27:46 * Mousey thinks . o O ( sshfs?? )
May 12 20:27:51 <stbuehler> i think sshfs needs sftp-server on the device/emulator (don't know whether that helps you)
May 12 20:28:01 <Mousey> sftp-server == sshd
May 12 20:28:44 <ryanwatkins> you can ssh in - so I assume sshfs would mount it just fine
May 12 20:28:55 <stbuehler> no; sftp-server is a extra binary
May 12 20:29:05 <Mousey> wow, since..?
May 12 20:29:11 <stbuehler> and i think it is missing (or not configured)
May 12 20:29:18 <stbuehler> dpkg -L openssh-server | grep sftp
May 12 20:29:27 <ryanwatkins> on the emulator is already there
May 12 20:29:31 <stbuehler> k
May 12 20:30:00 <ryanwatkins> should just work, just dont know what, if any caching of the app files is done
May 12 20:30:33 <stbuehler> no idea, try it :
May 12 20:30:34 <stbuehler> :D
May 12 20:30:34 <ryanwatkins> I guess I'd have to atleast relaunch the app, but thats probably it.
May 12 20:30:58 <halfhalo> ...
May 12 20:31:10 * halfhalo just found out how much it is to fix his car
May 12 20:31:20 <stbuehler> >> 500?
May 12 20:31:28 <halfhalo> yup
May 12 20:32:03 <halfhalo> 1k
May 12 20:33:21 <halfhalo> it was the brakes
May 12 20:34:11 <halfhalo> the front brake pads were essentially nonexistant and rattling around in the rotors, which are also shot, which caused the squeaking
May 12 20:35:54 <halfhalo> the best part is... this car was in the shop 2k miles ago
May 12 20:38:33 <PatrickC> I got my permit!! lol
May 12 20:40:59 <halfhalo> ruhroh
May 12 20:41:39 * halfhalo is now in the middle of a fight between his father and two toyota dealerships... good times
May 12 20:42:22 <PatrickC> 2 dealerships?
May 12 20:42:27 <halfhalo> yup
May 12 20:42:51 <halfhalo> did the last service at one, and took it into another one for the squeak today
May 12 20:44:04 <PatrickC> ah.. what did they say it was?
May 12 20:44:08 <PatrickC> was/is
May 12 20:44:13 <halfhalo> brakes
May 12 20:45:02 <halfhalo> 1k to fix
May 12 20:45:22 <PatrickC> really?!
May 12 20:45:27 <halfhalo> yup
May 12 20:45:49 <PatrickC> what broke?? they normally aren't that expensive.. or just do it yourself
May 12 20:46:01 <stbuehler> lol, just realized why "enyo" sounded familiar to me... http://www.enyo.de/fw/ (debian security team member)
May 12 20:46:39 <halfhalo> all 4 brakes need to be replaced, front rotors are gone
May 12 20:46:43 <PatrickC> my new pre2 has the Palm logo
May 12 20:47:01 <PatrickC> oh.. that's a little more expensive then just replacing the break pads...
May 12 20:47:35 <halfhalo> really... you think...
May 12 20:48:02 <dohtem> halfhalo: been drifting again?
May 12 20:48:27 <halfhalo> in a fwd suv? why yes, yes I have
May 12 20:48:37 <dohtem> heh
May 12 20:49:50 <halfhalo> the real kicker is the last time I took it in that dealership said they would be good until the next service appt
May 12 20:50:20 * PatrickC needs a beta team
May 12 20:50:25 <ryanwatkins> nice how palm, mojo, ares and enyo are all 4 chars.  and short is good.
May 12 20:50:26 <PatrickC> who wants to join??
May 12 20:50:40 <leiru> hi
May 12 20:51:02 <leiru> i dropped some letters for rails-jobs these days.
May 12 20:52:13 <stbuehler> PatrickC: beta team for what? how fast you can destroy your pre? :D
May 12 20:52:25 <PatrickC> heh
May 12 20:53:07 <PatrickC> stbuehler: see PM
May 12 20:56:38 <rwhitby> ryanwatkins: I use Emacs tramp mode to edit files on the Pre over ssh
May 12 20:58:06 <ryanwatkins> ah ya, use emacs as well.  so you just need to terminate and relaunch the app?  it doesnt cache any resources?
May 12 21:00:08 <stbuehler> the app icons are cached afaik, but reinstall doesn't help with that anyway :D
May 12 21:02:59 <ryanwatkins> tramp seems unhappy w/ the root login w/o a password on the emulator.  will poke at this a bit - may be an easier workflow than building everything each time.
May 12 21:12:21 <PatrickC_Away> once I finish extracting/transferring the USB drive.. the old pre2 will go offline
May 12 21:13:07 <Loudergood> you have 2 now?
May 12 21:16:34 <dohtem> http://www.meetup.com/SF-webOS/events/18034651/ - unofficial Veer launch party
May 12 21:23:00 <Darkmagister>  hi all, yesterdayi cracked the touch panel of my palm pre .... now i want to change it but on the net i found that the screen touch panel and case, are soldered togheter is true ? i can't change only the touch panel ? the only reason is .. that the lcd and case are in good condition .. and change all is too expensive ...
May 12 21:34:21 <resoai> hi
May 12 21:34:51 <resoai> I have a few questions about list model in WebOS
May 12 21:36:13 <resoai> I've noticed that I can't use simple sting functions like substr() in formatters on model properties unless I convert property to string with new String()
May 12 21:36:55 <resoai> simple arrays does not seem to behave like arrays when becoming part of the model
May 12 21:38:04 <PatrickC_Away> Loudergood: yep
May 12 21:42:08 <resoai> are there any  devs on the channel ?
May 12 21:43:03 <PatrickC_Away> there are many devs here
May 12 21:43:37 <resoai> that's great :)
May 12 21:43:59 <resoai> I'm just trying to figure out what I'm getting wrong for the second day \
May 12 21:44:38 <PatrickC_Away> have you checked out webOS101.com or the forums?
May 12 21:44:43 <leiru> your model is an object basically, or am  i wrong? then correct me.
May 12 21:45:10 <leiru> why you have to convert some values to string will ever be your problem as you cannot specify your problem...
May 12 21:46:19 <resoai> ok, here is what I'm doing: I'm geting data from JSON and am assigning it list model
May 12 21:47:18 <resoai> in "formatters" I was trying to concat one of the item's title
May 12 21:47:56 <leiru> why youa re not concatting them before?
May 12 21:48:00 <resoai> but it caused an error until I actually conversted it to the string
May 12 21:48:01 <leiru> is there any reason for that?
May 12 21:48:19 <leiru> but your code works now?
May 12 21:49:04 <resoai> yes, let's say you are coming the other scene and the data is already loaded
May 12 21:49:42 <resoai> but you simply need to run through the list again to reformat it, this is where I need to concat the actual data from the model
May 12 21:50:18 <resoai> it does work with conversion, but the second problem is the second property which  is an array
May 12 21:51:33 <resoai> it also get's converted to the object and even if i loop through it with for (k in property)  I get weird values
May 12 21:52:00 <resoai> some of them are just listings of some system  JS functions
May 12 21:52:37 <leiru> so you pass your models to the next model/controller/view in the stack?
May 12 21:53:39 <leiru> or what? that sounds really freaky
May 12 21:53:39 <resoai> no, I just want to work with the List model after data is being populated the same way I used to work with it when it was in JSON
May 12 21:54:06 <leiru> and then there was another scene in that context you said
May 12 21:54:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good evening people
May 12 21:55:02 <resoai> yes, the problem is when the new scene get's poped
May 12 21:55:29 <resoai> and when you are coming back to our main scene
May 12 21:55:48 <leiru> resoai: because the other scene don't know about the objects of the otherotherscene
May 12 21:56:07 <leiru> also check the the activate method
May 12 21:56:15 <resoai> I'm  perfectly aware of it, sorry for my poor english)
May 12 21:56:41 <resoai> when we are coming back to our main  scene in  aboutToActivate I want to  run through all list items and reformat some of them
May 12 21:57:08 <resoai> this is where i need to work with List's model as with the JSON
May 12 21:57:18 <leiru> resoai: try a globally available object
May 12 21:57:37 <resoai> the scenes are not the problem
May 12 21:57:56 <resoai> the problem is that List model behaves somehow differently than the JSON object
May 12 21:57:56 <leiru> okay :)
May 12 21:58:14 <resoai> I was hoping to understand why :)
May 12 21:59:01 <leiru> maybe you forgot to run modelChanged() after the activate wih your global object
May 12 21:59:24 <leiru> i don't know what you are making, and you can't explain it actually.
May 12 21:59:36 <leiru> i will go to bed now.
May 12 21:59:52 <resoai> no, the problem is working with the data :(
May 12 22:00:14 <resoai> I should really show the code I guess
May 13 00:30:44 <SineOt> The biggest reason why I'd love to see a webOS slate device?
May 13 00:30:52 <SineOt> No finger eating cheese grater slider >:O
May 13 00:31:09 <SineOt> How do people hold their Pre/Pre2s to avoid that? I always munch up my pinky fingers
May 13 00:31:36 <ctbeiser> They could still make the bottom sharp, even without sliding..
May 13 00:31:43 <Loudergood> I have no problem...but then I have long skinny fingers
May 13 00:31:55 <ctbeiser> I don't even have my pinkies touching the phone… O.o
May 13 00:32:14 <SineOt> maybe I hold it weird XD
May 13 00:32:14 <Loudergood> I can't open the slider one handed without them
May 13 00:32:53 <ctbeiser> Oh, well one handed my pinkie is like, to the left of the light bar.
May 13 00:33:25 <SineOt> This is slider open, mind
May 13 00:33:36 <Loudergood> SineOt: we demand video of you sliding it
May 13 00:33:48 <SineOt> It's holding it that's the problem!
May 13 00:33:52 <SineOt> Not the sliding it
May 13 00:38:14 <oil> s/of you sliding it/of you holding it/
May 13 00:38:57 <halfhalo> lulz
May 13 00:39:17 * halfhalo has put veer acquiring plans on hold for now
May 13 00:39:30 <oil> why?
May 13 00:39:50 <halfhalo> 1k in extra car costs
May 13 00:40:01 <oil> ouch
May 13 00:40:47 <Loudergood> upgrade?
May 13 00:40:47 <halfhalo> the front brake pads were so worn down they were literally rattling around in the overheated and melting rotors
May 13 00:40:57 <oil> lol
May 13 00:41:06 <Loudergood> so yes.
May 13 00:41:27 <SineOt> OKAY here we go
May 13 00:41:34 <Loudergood> perfect time to put the brembos you've been looking at on it ;)
May 13 00:41:35 <SineOt> http://cl.ly/150P1g220B393U2h1o0v this is how I hold it
May 13 00:41:48 <halfhalo> I wish... although the only car I would get atm (new) would be a 2011 GT conv with the 5L v8
May 13 00:41:54 <oil> weird
May 13 00:42:01 <oil> how did you take a picture of you holding the phone?
May 13 00:42:13 <halfhalo> he ate the camera
May 13 00:42:25 <SineOt> with the Xbox live vision camera plugged into the keyboard :I
May 13 00:42:42 <Loudergood> lol
May 13 00:42:45 <halfhalo> I like my version better
May 13 00:42:58 <oil> i was hoping it would turn into: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cmwov/hey_reddit_what_tattoos_do_you_have/c0tpyls
May 13 00:43:12 <SineOt> also the Touchstone protection committee has a new member http://cl.ly/412I0u2z3y0D1v1o0s1R
May 13 00:44:10 <halfhalo> you sir, need help
May 13 00:45:00 <SineOt> Yeah, I need for october to hurry up and get here so Season 2 starts :T
May 13 00:46:47 * halfhalo puts SineOt in the comfy white padded room
May 13 00:50:03 <SineOt> halfhalo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHy3ZhY9VKs
May 13 00:51:10 <halfhalo> issues...
May 13 00:55:32 <oil> SineOt: http://i56.tinypic.com/15ebbet.jpg
May 13 00:56:10 <SineOt> holding it like that just feels so loose
May 13 00:56:28 <SineOt> maybe it's because I'm so used to my pixi that you can just grab wherever you want and hold on for dear life
May 13 00:56:34 <oil> i can't hold it like you hold it haha
May 13 00:56:54 <SineOt> ahaha why?
May 13 00:57:07 <oil> idk
May 13 00:57:09 <SineOt> it's like a death grip, there's no way you'd ever drop it
May 13 00:57:12 <Loudergood> yeah I hold it just like oil does
May 13 00:57:27 <SineOt> put it puts your pinkies up against the lower edge of the slider
May 13 00:57:35 <SineOt> which I swear is sharp enough you could probably shave with it
May 13 00:58:00 <oil> maybe my slider is too loose but it wants to like close on my thumbs
May 13 00:58:01 <Loudergood> there's a new use for the mirror
May 13 00:58:32 <oil> and the sideways angle of your fingers instead of more angled
May 13 00:59:42 <SineOt> the slider is pretty tight, but even if it was lose, my index fingers have it pinched so it's not going anywhere
May 13 00:59:54 <SineOt> the rest of my fingers are wrapped/supporting the slider body itself
May 13 01:00:22 <oil> lol
May 13 01:00:33 <SineOt> I told you it's a death grip that thing isn't going ANYWHERE
May 13 01:00:44 <SineOt> and it'd be fine if it wasn't for that bottom edge on the sldier
May 13 01:01:24 <oil> i've only dropped my phone once, and it was because of not having a good grip when slipping it out of my pocket
May 13 01:01:27 <SineOt> but I have a feeling I've just won the "who holds their Pre the weirdest" contest :I
May 13 01:01:50 <oil> never because of typing too furiously
May 13 01:02:31 <Loudergood> yeah thankfully if the phone slips when I'm typing there's a nice sharp edge to catch with my thumb
May 13 01:02:39 <oil> haha
May 13 01:03:07 <SineOt> I type a lot when walking and I baby them soooooo
May 13 01:03:25 <oil> i try not to walk-and-type, dont want to walk into anything
May 13 01:03:46 <SineOt> yeah I don't get how people walk into stuff while typing on a phone
May 13 01:04:14 <SineOt> the phone, at 18-24 inches from your face, doesn't exactly block out all of your vision, you know?
May 13 01:04:25 <oil> just like driving while texting?
May 13 01:04:32 <halfhalo> or ircing
May 13 01:04:57 <SineOt> no no no :p
May 13 01:05:04 * Loudergood hopes we never see PatrickC wircing while driving
May 13 01:05:12 <SineOt> driving you're in a car that's going to drift where ever it feels like if you aren't paying attention
May 13 01:05:21 <SineOt> if you're walking and drift like that then what the fuck is wrong with you D:
May 13 01:06:13 <SineOt> walking you've got to put some effort into putting one foot in front of the other instead of coasting along on inertia
May 13 01:06:39 <SineOt> and again if you can walk without thinking at least a LITTLE about where your legs are going… @_@
May 13 01:07:27 <dawm> balls deep
May 13 01:10:42 <oil> SineOt: http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/68844732368953344
May 13 01:10:57 <Tibfib> oil: first
May 13 01:10:59 <oil> sofar 1 vote for the left :)
May 13 01:11:03 <oil> or 2
May 13 01:11:12 <halfhalo> left
May 13 01:11:21 <SineOt> rightttttt
May 13 01:11:25 <SineOt> in it; voted right
May 13 01:11:30 <oil> lol
May 13 01:11:50 <SineOt> also: pony wallpaper :I
May 13 01:11:57 <oil> haha
May 13 01:13:43 <dawm> http://www.facebook.com/nickswardsoncomedy/posts/211797965518048
May 13 01:14:24 <dawm> i hold it left
May 13 01:14:28 <dawm> but usually 1 handed
May 13 01:14:54 <dawm> right looks like some messed up palm pre gang sign
May 13 01:15:59 <SineOt> ahaha, man oil if you get one other vote for right then I am going to be so surprised
May 13 01:16:09 <oil> haha
May 13 01:17:05 <SineOt> I'm going to end up being the only one
May 13 01:17:26 <SineOt> also: god DAMN it Twitter you fucked with Twitter for Mac again and made it ugly as hell
May 13 01:19:33 <halfhalo> lol
May 13 01:20:53 <PatrickC_Pre> I need to make an if else statement that only allows you to use URLs that end in specific extentions
May 13 01:21:06 <halfhalo> and?
May 13 01:21:16 <SineOt> and is a terrible question
May 13 01:21:18 <SineOt> why is a better one
May 13 01:21:46 <PatrickC_Pre> idk how to tell the if else statement  what extentions to accept
May 13 01:21:59 <halfhalo> rexeg
May 13 01:22:04 <halfhalo> regexp*
May 13 01:22:15 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
May 13 01:22:24 <SineOt> PatrickC_Pre: ~why~
May 13 01:22:32 <oil> or substr/split for the lazy xD
May 13 01:22:43 <halfhalo> BAD OIL BAD
May 13 01:22:52 <dawm> this is soo wrong
May 13 01:22:53 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0DeIqJm4vM
May 13 01:22:56 <PatrickC_Pre> SineOt: for an app I'm making
May 13 01:23:09 <SineOt> that doesn't answer the why
May 13 01:23:27 <SineOt> it answers a what for
May 13 01:23:40 <PatrickC_Pre> I want it to only accept .pls and .mp3 links to stream
May 13 01:24:16 <PatrickC_Pre> it's called Your Radio, you put the radio link in, and it streams.. basically..
May 13 01:24:28 <dohtem> lol dawm
May 13 01:24:32 <SineOt> you mean… just like the web browser c_c
May 13 01:24:34 <dohtem> that was susan sarandon too
May 13 01:24:40 <oil> lol
May 13 01:25:07 <PatrickC_Pre> it will have dashboard controls, favorites, and the ability to play a specific station on open
May 13 01:25:14 <PatrickC_Pre> it was a app request
May 13 01:34:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> MEATLOVERS PIZZA INBOUND
May 13 01:34:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> gonna be a greaaaaaaaaat night
May 13 01:35:15 <dawm> jealous
May 13 01:40:54 * dohtem is now craving pizza
May 13 01:41:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :D
May 13 01:42:14 <dohtem> time to make a hackintosh
May 13 01:42:35 <oil> IGNTNUNLMTD must be a covert pizza spokesperson
May 13 01:42:41 <madnificent> IGNTNUNLMTD: damn you!  Now I want a pizza as well :(
May 13 01:42:49 <madnificent> and it's 3:40, so there's no pizza around :(
May 13 01:43:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I was about to submit my order but then you know what I did? Because I noticed it was missing?
May 13 01:44:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Bacon.
May 13 01:45:21 * dohtem looks at his peanut butter & jelly sanwich with disgust
May 13 01:46:42 <PatrickC_Pre> dohtem: how hard is it?
May 13 01:49:01 <dawm> lol
May 13 01:49:06 <dawm> a hulu 404 in video?
May 13 01:49:24 <dawm> Sorry, we're unable to load a message from our sponsors .. yada yada yada
May 13 01:50:07 <PatrickC_Pre> haha
May 13 01:50:13 <PatrickC_Pre> dawm: any progress?
May 13 01:50:22 <dawm> havent touched it since the last time i touched it
May 13 01:50:27 <dawm> been busy with chores =/
May 13 01:50:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> MMMMMMMMM http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9934627/PRE_2011-05-12-214358.jpg
May 13 01:51:02 <dawm> die
May 13 01:51:05 <dawm> seriously.. DIE
May 13 01:51:26 <dawm> i goto bed in like 15 and now im gonna have to make a digorno
May 13 01:51:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's crust, cheese, meat, cheese, meat
May 13 01:52:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> double decker
May 13 01:52:24 <dawm> http://www.thelonelyisland.com/video/andy-punching
May 13 01:52:29 <oil> looks like it wasn't made with much care
May 13 01:52:30 <dawm> another 404 in video
May 13 01:53:50 <halfhalo> wooooooooooooooo 918 monies
May 13 01:53:51 <halfhalo> out of my pocket
May 13 01:53:51 <halfhalo> my car better be able to stop on a dime now
May 13 01:54:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 13 01:55:41 <dawm> no
May 13 01:55:55 <dawm> it will probably just slide on one into the car in front of you
May 13 01:55:59 <PatrickC_Pre> halfhalo: it's finally done?
May 13 01:56:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you were probably better off going aftermarket and doing it yourself
May 13 01:56:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 13 01:59:19 <halfhalo> bah aftermarket
May 13 02:00:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ya' know, carbon ceramic brakes for $27,500
May 13 02:00:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> might stop pretty quickly
May 13 02:12:59 <SineOt> oil: any votes for right?
May 13 02:16:02 <halfhalo> who needs brakes anywho
May 13 02:18:52 <halfhalo> I love how it says "unsafe to drive" one the service report
May 13 02:22:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 13 02:22:26 <halfhalo> this is also the car all the cool kids have been in
May 13 02:24:34 <halfhalo> really.  it fits alot of people
May 13 02:32:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my car only has room for me and my ego
May 13 02:32:28 <halfhalo> oh, so you drive a suburban then
May 13 02:32:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
May 13 02:33:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, that's why my girlfriend once had one
May 13 02:33:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> her ego is bigger than mine
May 13 02:36:42 <halfhalo> lol
May 13 02:36:59 <Tibfib> IGNTNUNLMTD: I think you are angry everytime you post
May 13 02:37:12 <Tibfib> all caps throws me off
May 13 02:37:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahaha oh I thought you meant on PreCentral
May 13 02:37:33 <PatrickC_Pre> hahaha
May 13 02:37:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> in which case you'd be right
May 13 02:37:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fuckin' haters.
May 13 02:37:44 <Tibfib> hah
May 13 02:37:50 <Tibfib> I don't pay a lot of attention to precentral
May 13 02:38:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> don't
May 13 02:39:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's all people who feel that HP/Palm PERSONALLY hates them
May 13 02:39:13 <SineOt> yup! welcome to like every forum ever
May 13 02:39:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> people who are entitled and don't understand it's just a phone
May 13 02:39:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and those of us who just still like the OS don't want to hear all their bitchin'
May 13 02:39:35 <SineOt> to be fair when you're tied to it for 2 years it sure feels like a hell of a lot more than just a phone
May 13 02:39:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well truth
May 13 02:39:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but
May 13 02:40:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP doesn't "owe" anyone anything, per se
May 13 02:40:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it would be GREAT
May 13 02:40:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and the right thing to do
May 13 02:40:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but every acts like HP MUST do something
May 13 02:40:26 <halfhalo> lol, notebook forums are worse
May 13 02:40:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Newflash: they don't.
May 13 02:40:40 <halfhalo> people keep thinking the mods are out to get them...
May 13 02:41:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah seriously
May 13 02:41:07 <halfhalo> well, thats partially true in my case
May 13 02:41:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for some people, I wish the mods WERE out to get them
May 13 02:41:16 <PatrickC_Pre> haha
May 13 02:42:40 <halfhalo> I wish I could ban people for stupidity...
May 13 02:42:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> like any person who's ever been ungrateful to webOS internals people or mean to people like Jay (ilovedessert) who are literally only ever there to help
May 13 02:42:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously halfhalo
May 13 02:42:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'd be so down
May 13 02:42:58 <halfhalo> oh wait.  I can
May 13 02:43:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you're a mod?
May 13 02:43:19 <halfhalo> not on pc, on a notebook forum
May 13 02:43:22 <halfhalo> notebookreview.com
May 13 02:43:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 13 02:43:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> cool
May 13 02:44:35 <halfhalo> ya
May 13 02:44:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> jeez, if p|c was my site I'd have a one-warning policy for trolls and pointless complainers
May 13 02:44:49 <halfhalo> and its spiritual successor, storagereview.com
May 13 02:45:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and making a "IM GOIN TO ANDROID" thread would be an instant username and IP ban
May 13 02:45:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'd be a dictator, basically
May 13 02:45:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> probably good I'm not a mod
May 13 02:45:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 13 02:46:27 * halfhalo is always teh crazy mod
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