**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:58 2011
May 13 03:00:25 <PatrickC_Pre> IGNTNUNLMTD: hehehe
May 13 03:01:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> <3 PhoneGap for bringing Android development one step closer to webOS development
May 13 03:01:08 <PatrickC_Pre> you might not be a mod there, but you can be at weboscentral forums :)
May 13 03:02:15 <halfhalo> ...
May 13 03:03:55 <PatrickC_Pre> what?
May 13 03:04:17 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
May 13 03:07:06 <halfhalo> forums.... really...
May 13 03:08:16 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah... it's a site for webos fans built by webos fans
May 13 03:08:39 <halfhalo> run by you?
May 13 03:11:10 <PatrickC_Pre> right now, yeah
May 13 03:11:18 <PatrickC_Pre> http://weboscentral.zzl.org
May 13 03:11:38 <halfhalo> on a freehost.... yeah, lets see how that works out
May 13 03:12:06 <PatrickC_Pre> it's gonna start out on a freehost, yeah
May 13 03:12:23 <PatrickC_Pre> so will http://simpletutorials.zzl.org
May 13 03:12:39 <halfhalo> do you know _anything_ about running a full website, much less a forum?\
May 13 03:12:57 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm gonna have help
May 13 03:13:16 <PatrickC_Pre> I run a blog
May 13 03:14:39 <halfhalo> yeah, have fun withthat
May 13 03:14:48 <PatrickC_Pre> I will :)
May 13 03:15:01 <haeffb> damn. I missed the "post pics of me holding a pre" portion of the evening
May 13 03:15:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what portion was that?
May 13 03:15:31 <PatrickC_Pre> even if it crashes and burns, I still learned more HTML/CSS
May 13 03:15:33 <haeffb> it was a couple of hours ago.
May 13 03:15:48 <halfhalo> considering much more... influential people have tried to setup an alternative to PC and failed, yours will not get off the ground
May 13 03:16:02 <haeffb> I would have lol'd at oil holding a Pre- instead of a Pre2 if I'd been here then...
May 13 03:16:28 <haeffb> halfhalo: what if he makes it free?
May 13 03:16:31 <PatrickC_Pre> halfhalo: that's fine with me, it's all a learning experience
May 13 03:16:50 <PatrickC_Pre> I don't mind if it's doa
May 13 03:20:52 <halfhalo> i need a cookie.
May 13 03:24:12 <halfhalo> or waffles
May 13 03:30:51 <ACap> I don't suppose I can ask any enyo questions here, can I?
May 13 03:33:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope, I'd keep those to the EA forum
May 13 03:34:09 <ACap> arg.  okay, thanks.
May 13 04:02:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> What are you all listening to right now? Mm?
May 13 04:03:26 <dohtem> daily show on hulu plus
May 13 04:04:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have the strange listening fetish for Ellie Goulding remixes lately
May 13 04:04:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 13 04:13:41 <halfhalo> oh, that reminds me... should sync my zune
May 13 07:22:15 <SimpsonTP> any1 has a email adres for swisstomcat ?
May 13 07:23:53 <hotdp> SimpsonTP: whats up?
May 13 07:24:24 <SimpsonTP> hotdp, swisstomcat is in amsterdam today and we more or less agreed on a coffee, but didn't hear anything from him anymore
May 13 07:24:34 <hotdp> ahh
May 13 07:24:42 <hotdp> SimpsonTP: i don't think he is
May 13 07:24:53 <hotdp> Are you thinking on mobilsim?
May 13 07:25:40 <SimpsonTP> yup
May 13 07:25:49 <hotdp> He did not go
May 13 07:25:51 <hotdp> sorry
May 13 07:26:07 <hotdp> He was not able to come so he gave away he's ticket
May 13 07:26:27 <hotdp> I think he gave it away two days ago
May 13 07:27:48 <SimpsonTP> ah okay, then he is not in amsterdam, so I'll drink my coffee alone ;)
May 13 07:27:54 <hotdp> :)
May 13 07:27:56 <SimpsonTP> hotdp, your a colleague of him ?
May 13 07:27:58 <hotdp> sorry to tell you
May 13 07:28:12 <hotdp> I talk daily with him. But read it on he's twitter
May 13 07:28:30 <hotdp> Yer you go to a coffee shop ;O)
May 13 07:30:56 <SimpsonTP> ;)
May 13 07:31:07 * SimpsonTP is stil waiting for his pre2
May 13 07:31:23 <RagingMind> there must be other webos folk around to coffee with
May 13 07:31:28 <SimpsonTP> if there is something that I really don't get in all of this, is the lack of available devices
May 13 07:31:41 <RagingMind> however gross coffee is... ick
May 13 07:32:16 <hotdp> waiting for a pre2 ?
May 13 07:32:56 <RagingMind> I'm waiting for sunday so I can go to an att store and play with a veer
May 13 14:44:51 <twbbas> Can Mojo.View.getFocusedElement() be used to get the current snapped element in a horizontal scroller?
May 13 15:04:12 <maik> any of you guys know what happend to chuqui ?
May 13 15:11:44 <ajay> g'mornin!
May 13 15:12:00 <LoneStar99> mornig peeps
May 13 15:24:31 <phoque_uni> what happens if I install the 3.0 SDK, will the 2.1 emulator-image still be available?
May 13 15:25:56 <Loudergood> check the forum
May 13 15:30:29 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni: yeah but you may have issues packing your apps for app catalog submission
May 13 15:30:43 <phoque_uni> OK...
May 13 15:30:53 <phoque_uni> I'm a few weeks away from that anyways ;-)
May 13 15:31:58 <phoque_uni> uhm, shite
May 13 15:32:02 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni: so you need to keep an older palm folder rename it to "palm20" which will contain all your 2.x palm-package etc and then install 3.0 --> have not installed 3.0 yet but that is what i did for 1.4.5 to 2.x
May 13 15:32:04 <phoque_uni> palm-emulator doesn't offer 2.1 anymore :-D
May 13 15:33:17 <LoneStar99> oh did u already install 3.x?
May 13 15:35:23 <phoque_uni> yup :-)
May 13 15:35:30 <phoque_uni> I did after your last message
May 13 15:37:54 <LoneStar99> if you installed the 2.x emulator file it should be in emulator...
May 13 15:39:11 <RagingMind> would novacom get /dev/null be a good test of usb connection speed? and would it crash my phone?
May 13 15:40:28 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: it did??? well, you tried to send every single file the cpu would be willing to send, it may not crash it, but make it slooooow as hell, even unresponsive UNTIL you break that connection, but, if you can't break it, you're screwed ;)
May 13 15:41:14 <RagingMind> I'm afraid to try because this is my primary phone... that's why I wanted to ask here first
May 13 15:42:30 <phoque_uni> you want to get /dev/null off the device?
May 13 15:42:44 <phoque_uni> I'd say that'll be pretty safe
May 13 15:42:51 <phoque_uni> nothing a reboot won't fix
May 13 15:43:23 <RagingMind> well, /dev/zero would be better I think
May 13 15:43:40 <RagingMind> i just want to test how fast the pre can actually spew data over USB
May 13 15:45:53 <phoque_uni> I wouldn't worry
May 13 15:46:03 <phoque_uni> you're not permanently changing anything
May 13 15:47:42 <phoque_uni> LoneStar99, does --use-v1-format fix the issues you were talking about?
May 13 15:49:45 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni: honestly never have used "--use-v1-format" where is that?
May 13 15:50:28 <phoque_uni> it's a parameter for palm-package
May 13 15:50:43 <phoque_uni> to enforce 1.4.5-appstore-compatible packages
May 13 15:51:06 <phoque_uni> palm-package --help says "Note: To create a package compatible with earlier versions of the app catalog,
May 13 15:51:09 <phoque_uni> use the "--use-v1-format" option. Only single-app packages (usage 1) are supported."
May 13 15:52:00 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni let me loolk
May 13 15:52:02 <LoneStar99> look
May 13 15:54:05 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni:  hmmm. that is a new command, i guess it will package an app for 1.x compatibilty without having to do all the shite I wrote above
May 13 15:54:14 <phoque_uni> ah, cool
May 13 15:54:23 <phoque_uni> put that in my Makefile already
May 13 15:54:25 <phoque_uni> :-D
May 13 15:54:41 <LoneStar99> but as for the 2.x emulator file, it was probably overwritten by 3.x install =(
May 13 15:54:46 <phoque_uni> yeah
May 13 15:54:49 <phoque_uni> I downloaded another image
May 13 15:54:55 <phoque_uni> put that next to the 3.0 one
May 13 15:54:58 <phoque_uni> working smoothly again
May 13 15:55:01 <LoneStar99> before you actaully installed the 2.x emulator image
May 13 15:55:27 <phoque_uni> LoneStar99, https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=13127
May 13 15:55:43 <LoneStar99> can anyone see the following? http://twitter.com/#!/urloid
May 13 15:56:17 * halfhalo yawns goodmorning
May 13 15:56:44 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni: ok thanks will download 3.x this weekend
May 13 15:56:51 <LoneStar99> morning halfhalo
May 13 15:56:58 <phoque_uni> LoneStar99, ah, ok
May 13 15:57:16 <LoneStar99> is twitter down>?
May 13 15:57:19 <phoque_uni> so yeah... I downloaded the SDK and novaterm, installed both over the old install and put the image from the last link next to the other image
May 13 15:57:36 <phoque_uni> 2.1 and 3.0 are offered upon palm-emulator start
May 13 15:57:38 * ajay wishes twitter was down so he didn't have to figure it out ;^)
May 13 15:57:54 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni: nice
May 13 15:58:33 <phoque_uni> installing a 1.4.5 app on both emulator versions still works
May 13 15:58:36 <phoque_uni> seems solid enough
May 13 15:58:36 <LoneStar99> damn stupid bird... "twitter"
May 13 15:58:37 <phoque_uni> :-D
May 13 16:11:15 <halfhalo> wooot
May 13 16:11:32 <halfhalo> at car wash for _my_ car for once
May 13 16:12:17 <ajay> halfhalo: be sure to clean that pre! ;^)
May 13 16:12:34 * ajay needs some baby soap/shampoo to install this phantomskinz cover..
May 13 16:12:44 <LoneStar99> weird i think coffee shop has twitter blocked
May 13 16:12:58 <LoneStar99> can you all access http://twitter.com/#!/urloid
May 13 16:13:45 <halfhalo> bah
May 13 16:13:47 <halfhalo> pre
May 13 17:15:22 <stbuehler> yay, my qr offline decoder app is available :)
May 13 17:16:52 <SimpsonTP> is there stil no way to use on device QR decoding ?
May 13 17:21:35 <Guest92812> Engadget gave the veer a decent review
May 13 17:21:50 <NuttyBunny> SimpsonTP: no, and I really don't know why, since it could be done with a hybrid app
May 13 17:22:30 <SimpsonTP> or is there no way to access the image from a app ?
May 13 17:24:08 <LoneStar99> is it my install or does firefox 4.x kinda suck in speed
May 13 17:24:26 <LoneStar99> my opera browser hauls ass compared to firefox 4.x
May 13 17:24:50 <Guest92812> Firefox is fast to me
May 13 17:25:19 <LoneStar99> damn not mine, i just had to close it was acting glitchy
May 13 17:25:20 <Guest92812>  Best firefox I have used. Actualy made me switch
May 13 17:25:50 <LoneStar99> it might be my firebug plugin had read something about memory leaks with 4.0
May 13 17:26:53 <LoneStar99> maybe not just to start up firefox, seems if I am starting up photoshop CS3
May 13 17:27:54 <NuttyBunny> SimpsonTP: You CAN acces the image from an app, but only after it has been saved by the camera... I wonder why no one has looked into it... it'll be a nice project...
May 13 17:28:12 * NuttyBunny stops everything else and goes into research mode
May 13 17:28:24 <SimpsonTP> probably from a pre PDK time
May 13 17:29:47 <Guest92812> LoneStar99: are you on linux
May 13 17:32:05 <stbuehler> SimpsonTP: now there is, that is what my app is for
May 13 17:33:46 <stbuehler> NuttyBunny, SimpsonTP: https://github.com/stbuehler/pre-qrdecoder source is available
May 13 17:34:36 <LoneStar99> Guest92812: nope win7
May 13 17:34:46 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: but that works sending the image to an external server, and a standard Pre photo can be about 1Mb in size
May 13 17:34:49 <LoneStar99> it is werid
May 13 17:37:03 <Guest92812> Engadget said in their review that they went through a category on the veer and didn't find a single app that caught their eye. Who plans on picking up a veer
May 13 17:41:26 <SimpsonTP> stbuehler, ah I understood it wrong !
May 13 17:47:31 <leiru> didn't see the fail-wale at twitter long time.
May 13 17:47:36 <leiru> *for a long time
May 13 17:55:20 <SimpsonTP> stbuehler, seems to work
May 13 17:58:15 <LoneStar99> damn the weirdest thing my computer was running some old version of firefox while under help tap it stated "4.x"
May 13 17:59:54 <LoneStar99> don't trust computers! only liars!
May 13 18:00:47 <LoneStar99> Guest92812: i think an install of 4.0beta was conflicting with 4.0release now it seems to be running well
May 13 18:01:32 <LoneStar99> http://bobc.in/im/coloroo/cc/ check out the screen glitchy but drawing from my pre
May 13 18:04:06 <SimpsonTP> stbuehler, what platform did you build it on ?
May 13 18:06:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> Create your own webOS app catalog! @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/create-your-own-webos-app-catalog/
May 13 18:08:28 <ajay> nice
May 13 18:10:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, it'll be nice to have for private beta feeds
May 13 18:11:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> who here could write a Mojo tutorial?
May 13 18:11:40 <LoneStar99> PatrickC_Pre2: what sort of tutorial?
May 13 18:12:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> to start, just a tutorial for a person who has never seen/used Mojo
May 13 18:12:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> it would go on http://simpletutorials.zzl.org
May 13 18:12:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> but, I would like a Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced tutorial
May 13 18:14:32 <SimpsonTP> did you look at the tutsplus example ?
May 13 18:14:32 <leiru> PatrickC_Pre2: why i should write one, as mojo dies?
May 13 18:14:41 <SimpsonTP> that was my thought as ewll
May 13 18:14:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> because, we don't know when Enyo will come out of NDA
May 13 18:15:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> it took 2.0 several months after release to come out of NDA
May 13 18:15:21 <dohtem> link to the ones already online.
May 13 18:17:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> SimpsonTP: I've seen them, but I want my site to be a 1 stop site for all tutorial needs
May 13 18:17:33 <LoneStar99> do 2.x phones support enyo?
May 13 18:17:37 <ajay> the proportion of enyo to mojo users is 0 to 100% and will stay that way for months, and will only increase slowly from there.
May 13 18:18:03 <ajay> LoneStar99: I believe it's in 3.0, unless i'm mistaken
May 13 18:18:06 <dohtem> LoneStar99: dont think so
May 13 18:18:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think it might, but it would require a update, to include the enyo source
May 13 18:18:59 <LoneStar99> PatrickC_Pre2: ok thanks
May 13 18:19:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think that it might even be able to run on 1.4.x, but idk for sure
May 13 18:21:43 <LoneStar99> k
May 13 18:31:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone need a freehost? Cause http://zymic.com gives 5GB PER SITE of space, and 50GB of bandwidth PER SITE!!
May 13 18:31:58 <halfhalo> meh, thats like... nothing
May 13 18:32:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> its free...
May 13 18:32:14 <avarus> a vserver cost as much as one big king menu per month :>
May 13 18:33:15 <leiru> we have 14TB of traffic each month ^^
May 13 18:33:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow... lol
May 13 18:34:11 <halfhalo> ya... 50GB is like nothing
May 13 18:34:18 <avarus> leiru, then you should move to one of these unlimited providers *scnr
May 13 18:34:28 <leiru> avarus: lol!
May 13 18:34:32 <halfhalo> although I think i still have an active zymic accnt
May 13 18:34:36 <avarus> for 8 eur a month
May 13 18:36:28 <leiru> avarus: i don't understand your opinion. it just works with 287 accounts there
May 13 18:36:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: 50GB might not be much to you, but I don't have a ton of traffic (yet) so I doubt I'll use it (right now)
May 13 18:37:09 <LoneStar99> PatrickC_Pre2: you can sign up for amazon EC2 for free for 1 year!!
May 13 18:37:27 <leiru> oh, i calculated false?
May 13 18:37:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> amazon ec2??
May 13 18:37:44 <avarus> vserver on amazons "cloud"
May 13 18:38:00 <avarus> as often as reddit is down I don't want that :P
May 13 18:38:09 <avarus> not even for free
May 13 18:38:28 <avarus> I really start to hate amazon just because of reddit :P
May 13 18:38:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> reddit is on the amazon thing?
May 13 18:38:53 <avarus> yes
May 13 18:38:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 will stick with Zymic
May 13 18:39:17 <avarus> a normal small instance costs you around 60usd last time I checked (per month on ec2)
May 13 18:39:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't need more then 5GB of site space, and when/if I do need it, I'll upgrade, or go with my friend and get a good price
May 13 18:40:10 <leiru> if you are not doing rocket science, this offer is nice i must say for PatrickC_Pre2
May 13 18:40:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm just doing a tutorial site :)
May 13 18:40:29 <LoneStar99> PatrickC_Pre2: yeah will get you the link
May 13 18:40:33 <avarus> I'm picky...even for my private site I want fast servers...so I have my own :P
May 13 18:40:40 <halfhalo> I think all my sites use 60GB combined, but I have 900 a month I can use
May 13 18:40:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha
May 13 18:40:52 <halfhalo> plus like 60GB disk
May 13 18:40:59 <LoneStar99> http://aws.amazon.com/free/
May 13 18:41:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'll still with (ve) on MediaTemple, thanks :P
May 13 18:44:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonder what happens if he goes over the 50GB bandwidth 
May 13 18:44:55 <leiru> PatrickC_Pre2: then they will shoot you down.
May 13 18:45:00 <leiru> :D
May 13 18:45:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha
May 13 18:52:05 <leiru> i think they will write you an email and/or shutdown your service for the month
May 13 18:52:18 <leiru> or forever, don't know how good capacicated they are
May 13 18:53:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> eh.. well, I don't think I'll hit 50GB anytime soon :) not many people know about it yet
May 13 18:53:11 <leiru> maybe they just write you an email, that you shall pay money and let the sevice stay alive
May 13 18:53:33 <ajay> hey does anybody know how to debug non-working palm profile backups?
May 13 18:54:29 * leiru points his fingers to the palm guys
May 13 18:54:33 <leiru> :D
May 13 18:54:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
May 13 18:56:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> the veer looks awesome in white
May 13 18:56:39 <leiru> apropos, as you say palm: Adora, will mite get rejected? i am worrying why it takes so long.
May 13 18:58:12 <leiru> to be honest i check the catalogue maybe 10 times a day :D
May 13 18:58:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> really? lol
May 13 18:59:19 <leiru> PatrickC_Pre2: it was 3 months of work after my main work as mobile-dev
May 13 18:59:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah
May 13 18:59:48 <leiru> 3 month every time after my 9 hrs day coding that damn app
May 13 18:59:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/purported-seventh-gen-ipod-nano-spotted-complete-with-1-3-megap/&category=classic&postPage=1
May 13 19:00:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> *yawn* another one
May 13 19:00:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> heh
May 13 19:01:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/13/hp-unveils-wifi-mobile-mouse-and-link-5-wireless-tech-to-free-yo/&category=classic&postPage=1
May 13 19:02:58 <leiru> hmmm
May 13 19:03:11 <leiru> surfing @ home is alot better than at work
May 13 19:03:36 <leiru> having 100mbit line, fibre channel in the cellar
May 13 19:05:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 has 3MB download at home...
May 13 19:06:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> I want the Veer...
May 13 19:06:49 <leiru> PatrickC_Pre2: you parents should help, assist and boost your interest in technics.
May 13 19:07:09 <PatrickC_Away> well, the veer hasn't launched yet :)
May 13 19:07:10 <leiru> as like at myself, they don't tend to
May 13 19:07:28 <leiru> (as i was young, long time ago)
May 13 19:07:46 <PatrickC_Away> and I'll wait for the dev device program (I'm saving up for a touchpad :) )
May 13 19:09:27 <leiru> PatrickC_Away: your parents should support you (just reminding your "notebook"-story).
May 13 19:09:46 <leiru> my ones also had no sense for coding and internet and technique
May 13 19:10:00 <leiru> now look at me!
May 13 19:10:03 <leiru> :D
May 13 19:10:06 * halfhalo has 15/1 at home
May 13 19:10:24 <PatrickC_Away> well.. my dads an electrical engineer... so he understands the coding aspect :)
May 13 19:10:25 <leiru> halfhalo: 100/5 ftw!
May 13 19:10:52 <PatrickC_Away> but they won't get me a new laptop till I get caught up in school..
May 13 19:11:04 <PatrickC_Away> I'm probably gonna get a mac of some sort for Christmas
May 13 19:12:40 <leiru> hrm, i will get some beer soon, i think.
May 13 19:12:49 <leiru> thank god, it's friday!
May 13 19:12:57 <leiru> \o/
May 13 19:13:49 <SineOt> mmmm a beer sounds awesome
May 13 19:13:54 <SineOt> I smell like gunpowder >:O
May 13 19:14:26 <PatrickC_Away> what have you been shooting?
May 13 19:15:04 <leiru> PatrickC_Away: he shot PatrickC_Away's that overceided their bandwidths
May 13 19:15:28 <PatrickC_Away> haha
May 13 19:15:54 <SineOt> Ruger Colt 45 revolver
May 13 19:19:34 <BigWookie> :) hi
May 13 19:20:44 <BigWookie> I'm sorry for asking, but I try WebOs in the Emulator before buying and was wondering if there is a chance to try wIRC, the App Catalog is not working and it's not showing in Preware
May 13 19:27:19 <PatrickC_Away> SineOt: awesome
May 13 19:41:23 <ajay> do any sd card-using phones ever REQUIRE the sd card to function? or even to save pix/contacts?
May 13 19:42:00 <SineOt> I think WP7 does
May 13 19:42:30 <SineOt> WP7 handling of microSD cards is dumb whatever it does, I know that much
May 13 19:42:55 <halfhalo> wow... one of my fillups was 127 dollars
May 13 19:52:26 <ajay> SineOt: haha
May 13 19:55:43 <dohtem> halfhalo: Hummer H2?
May 13 19:58:25 <halfhalo> no, toyota suv
May 13 20:02:21 <dohtem> http://gizmodo.com/5801592/twitter-vigilante-reclaims-a-strangers-stolen-laptop-after-police-refuse-to-help -- The internets to the rescue!
May 13 20:12:27 <ajay> so no thoughts on my palm backup would fail? or is there a LOT of reasons? hasn't worked in 11 days
May 13 20:23:19 <sugardave> I am now officially de-IBMed, time for some Portal 2
May 13 20:24:17 <SimpsonTP> sugardave, what does 'de-IBMed' mean ??
May 13 20:24:34 <sugardave> today was my last day :)
May 13 20:29:29 <dohtem> when do you join the HP borg?
May 13 20:30:31 <SimpsonTP> ah, where were you at IBM ?
May 13 20:31:41 <sugardave> dohtem: I start at Palm on 5/23, got the "big packet of HR papers" today to sign
May 13 20:32:03 <sugardave> SimpsonTP: yeah
May 13 20:33:33 <SimpsonTP> sugardave, where ?
May 13 20:34:11 <sugardave> oh, sorry...in Austin, TX.  I worked in education for Tivoli software
May 13 20:34:22 <SimpsonTP> ah
May 13 20:51:15 <stbuehler> NuttyBunny: no, my app works offline, as the name in the catalog says.
May 13 20:51:37 <SimpsonTP> stbuehler, what platform do you develop on ?
May 13 20:51:40 <stbuehler> SimpsonTP: i use linux (debian testing/unstable)
May 13 20:51:44 <SimpsonTP> ah :)
May 13 20:52:20 <NuttyBunny> really? cool :D
May 13 20:54:08 <PatrickC_Away> hey nuttybunny
May 13 20:54:35 <NuttyBunny> hey
May 13 20:55:50 <stbuehler> using linux isn't that hard imho, just have a look at my makefile :)
May 13 20:56:00 <stbuehler> just adapt some paths, and you are done
May 13 20:56:14 * PatrickC loves limux
May 13 21:02:04 <Tibfib> hmm limuz
May 13 21:02:16 <Tibfib> hahaha.
May 13 21:02:35 <PatrickC> what? lol.. oh.. limux? hehe
May 13 21:03:11 <NuttyBunny> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux
May 13 21:03:57 <PatrickC> lol
May 13 21:27:29 <haeffb> sugardave: exciting times!
May 13 21:44:36 <sugardave> haeffb: yes, I'm currently unemployed :D
May 13 21:45:27 <PatrickC> haha
May 13 21:46:13 <haeffb> well, at least you're not alone
May 13 21:46:42 <sugardave> true, plus I pre-bootstrapped myself, so I'm on the way up
May 13 21:47:15 <ajay> damn i want to debug why my backup is failing, but i don't want to turn off backups and erase what's already there incase it won't ever be able to .. gah
May 13 21:49:33 <NuttyBunny> ajay: your backup? or the restore?
May 13 21:49:46 <ajay> NuttyBunny: palm profile backup
May 13 21:50:14 <NuttyBunny> ajay: again, the moment you press "backup now", or when you sign in again and restore your backup?
May 13 21:50:57 <ajay> NuttyBunny: oh sorry, for 'backup now'
May 13 21:51:25 <NuttyBunny> ajay, no idea, but you could poke into lumberjack and filter "backup" to see if you can find something :)
May 13 21:52:09 <ajay> oh yeah i always forget about lumberjack :)
May 13 21:52:47 <PatrickC> lol.. lumberjack is my friend :)
May 13 21:52:47 <NuttyBunny> I poke directly into /var/log/messages, lumberjack sometimes lags behind :)
May 13 21:52:55 <PatrickC> haha
May 13 21:53:45 <ajay> NuttyBunny: EISDIR is a directory
May 13 21:53:55 <PatrickC> what? lol
May 13 21:54:55 * NuttyBunny thinks... and his head explodes ...
May 13 21:54:59 <NuttyBunny> what's EISDIR?
May 13 21:55:05 * NuttyBunny googles
May 13 21:55:07 <ajay> NuttyBunny: ask backup, not me! :)
May 13 21:55:22 <PatrickC> haha
May 13 21:55:37 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok, is that the only error it appears??
May 13 21:55:43 <NuttyBunny> (that appears)
May 13 21:56:14 <LoneStar99> good afternoon folks
May 13 21:56:22 <ajay> unless backups doing node_spawner, yes
May 13 21:58:16 <ajay> NuttyBunny: yeah not much showed up on the google, so lumberjack ftl
May 13 22:00:18 <NuttyBunny> it seems like a js service, the backup one
May 13 22:00:31 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: still no Pre-?
May 13 22:02:17 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: No, but a cable that I bought 3 weeks ago just showed on the mailbox ;)
May 13 22:02:34 <NuttyBunny> Still, I'm worried about my $45 book that I bought on april 15 :S
May 13 22:03:04 <NuttyBunny> ajay: is that the exact error? same number of spaces, etc?
May 13 22:03:29 <haeffb> darn. US citizens are spoiled.
May 13 22:03:49 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: Yes, your mail delivery system rocks
May 13 22:03:49 <PatrickC> lol why?
May 13 22:03:59 <ajay> NuttyBunny: it's longer, should i paste it here?
May 13 22:04:10 <PatrickC> pastebin.com is its long
May 13 22:04:10 <NuttyBunny> ajay: pastebin if you like
May 13 22:04:11 <haeffb> I could order a cable from Amazon right now and have it on my doorstep tomorrow.
May 13 22:04:14 <dohtem> whoa.. Ubuntu's wubi is pretty nifty
May 13 22:04:23 <PatrickC> yes it is
May 13 22:04:32 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: But they use UPS
May 13 22:04:47 <dohtem> I remember the days of scanning tucows for a free partition manager just to install red hat
May 13 22:04:49 <ajay> http://pastebin.com/zs9LgHWx
May 13 22:04:53 <PatrickC> UPS/USPS/FedEX/a lot :)
May 13 22:05:33 <PatrickC> dohtem: btw.. when you choose "Install size" that's how much HDD space you are giving it
May 13 22:06:07 <ajay> just threw it on P|C
May 13 22:06:29 <dohtem> I figured.  Can you later move the installation completely out of windows and have it sit on it's own partition?
May 13 22:06:53 <PatrickC> idk
May 13 22:07:12 <PatrickC> Jack87: can you?
May 13 22:07:36 <NuttyBunny> ajay: damn, seems weird, like it wants to backup a file but instead it finds a directory
May 13 22:10:32 <NuttyBunny> ajay: did you set logging to minimal with ##LOGS# (#*LOGS#) ??
May 13 22:15:11 <ajay> NuttyBunny: i didn't set anything
May 13 22:15:55 <NuttyBunny> ajay: just wondering :)   ... ah, what device is it? webOS version? version on palm profile page?
May 13 22:16:03 <Jack87> PatrickC, i am not skilled for such a task
May 13 22:16:04 <ajay> 2.1 on pre+
May 13 22:17:16 <ajay> same
May 13 22:17:37 <NuttyBunny> german Pre+?
May 13 22:18:04 <dawm> i dont know why
May 13 22:18:11 <dawm> but ive had this song stuck in my head all day
May 13 22:18:18 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzqAQRbmRXk (NSFW)
May 13 22:18:39 <NuttyBunny> it's not rebecca black's or a rickroll, is it? :P
May 13 22:18:42 <dawm> no
May 13 22:19:21 <ajay> NuttyBunny: it's weird indeed.. hopefully someone has some know, but i'm not the only one that's had this prob
May 13 22:19:47 <NuttyBunny> ajay: is it a german pre+? 2.1 on your palm profile page? really?
May 13 22:20:07 <ajay> no not german, that's the other dude :)
May 13 22:20:38 <ajay> but yes 2.1.0 on profile page
May 13 22:21:49 <NuttyBunny> When you press the backup button, not even the "preparing" message appears?
May 13 22:21:54 <ajay> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/280136-sync-error-webos-2-1-a.html
May 13 22:22:51 <ajay> NuttyBunny: What's the order of words?  Preparing, backing up and it gets to .. right under the word "Backup" and stops
May 13 22:22:56 <ajay> Backup failed
May 13 22:23:07 <ajay> i forget if there's another word in between all that
May 13 22:23:55 <ajay> it sucks that the only two options are to doctor and lose new, or to turn off backups and risk losing all
May 13 22:24:08 <NuttyBunny> mmm... on my Pre 2 it did work. But, really, now that I remember, I never saw the "Last Backup" message on my Pre or Pre+ when on 2.1
May 13 22:24:38 <dohtem> PatrickC: Looks like it is possible - http://flip.netzbeben.de/2008/08/move-wubi-installation-ubuntu-on-windows-to-a-native-ubuntu-system/
May 13 22:24:48 <PatrickC> cool
May 13 22:25:20 <NuttyBunny> ajay, Right between the page title with the switch and the text "Your Palm Profile account blah blah blah" I have the last time it got backed up
May 13 22:25:38 <ajay> NuttyBunny: correct, 11 days ago
May 13 22:25:52 <NuttyBunny> whoa, that's even weirder, it used to work!
May 13 22:26:11 <ajay> it didn't work automatically in the beginning, so i did it manually everyday.
May 13 22:27:02 <ajay> then it started doing it automatically.  now it does nothing under no conditions
May 13 22:27:02 <ajay> NuttyBunny: if it didn't used to work it wouldn't be such a fiasco for me now :)
May 13 22:27:37 <NuttyBunny> ajay: ok, novaterm to your Pre, and run: df -h
May 13 22:27:59 <NuttyBunny> look for the first lines, you're looking for the free space in the /dev/mapper/store-filecache partition
May 13 22:28:49 <dawm> http://h20435.www2.hp.com/t5/The-Next-Bench-Blog/Tales-from-the-Next-Bench-HP-s-Archives/ba-p/53874
May 13 22:29:18 <NuttyBunny> ajay: mine says: /dev/mapper/store-filecache                        127.5M     70.1M     57.4M  55% /var/file-cache
May 13 22:29:24 <NuttyBunny> I have 57.4M
May 13 22:32:15 <ajay> 127.5M    104.6M     22.8M
May 13 22:33:13 <ajay> NuttyBunny: so you think I need to clear some space?
May 13 22:33:52 <NuttyBunny> yup
May 13 22:34:33 <ajay> NuttyBunny: hrmmm..
May 13 22:34:39 <NuttyBunny> cd /var/file-cache; du -sch *
May 13 22:34:40 <ajay> how?
May 13 22:34:53 <NuttyBunny> I think you could go with the attachments :)
May 13 22:35:08 <ajay> attachment 17M, contactphoto 19, email 50
May 13 22:35:18 <ajay> just do a nuke, and nothing'll break?
May 13 22:35:25 <NuttyBunny> 26.8Mb email here
May 13 22:35:33 <ajay> do I need to restart luna or device or otherwise?
May 13 22:35:44 <NuttyBunny> mmm.... No idea, I haven't done it before :S
May 13 22:35:50 <ajay> eek! :)
May 13 22:36:06 <ajay> NuttyBunny: how do you know this is the problem?
May 13 22:36:42 <NuttyBunny> I don't know, but the backups are created in /var/file-cache/backuptempdir
May 13 22:37:29 <ajay> NuttyBunny: same result
May 13 22:38:57 <ajay> NuttyBunny: watched df carefully several times, and the partition is definitely not running out of space
May 13 22:39:22 <NuttyBunny> ajay: damn, why can't this be as easy as "make space, it will wotk"?? :(
May 13 22:39:27 <ajay> i'm down with the theory that there's something too large to handle somewhere though.. but it's not filling up a partition
May 13 22:39:42 <ajay> NuttyBunny: *cough palm *cough*
May 13 22:40:19 <NuttyBunny> I saw what it throws in the backup, hold on
May 13 22:41:03 <ajay> holding
May 13 22:41:04 <ajay> hungr
May 13 22:41:05 <ajay> y
May 13 22:41:59 <NuttyBunny> ah, got an idea, but I don't know if you'll like it
May 13 22:42:07 <ajay> don't like it. next,.
May 13 22:42:14 <NuttyBunny> hahaha
May 13 22:42:33 <NuttyBunny> disable the backups, deleting everything on the server, then reenable it, and backup
May 13 22:43:00 <ajay> NuttyBunny: yeah i am considering that.. i'm just worried that i won't be able to backup after that.  I'd rather lose 11 days of backup, rather than all days.
May 13 22:43:40 <ajay> it would be nice if there was a way for me to check/test if the backup was corrupt (Why does this keep happening?!)
May 13 22:44:05 <ajay> if i could only sign into another device with the same profile, that would answer the question..
May 13 22:44:07 <NuttyBunny> you could try and poke around with impostah, or ask hardbeatz in P|C
May 13 22:44:24 <ajay> hrmmm..
May 13 22:44:29 <NuttyBunny> ajay: you CAN, but you know you'll delete your info on this one :)
May 13 22:46:52 <ajay> NuttyBunny: which........... come to think isn't actually the worst thing in the world.  and it'd be fun to see how that happens.
May 13 22:47:03 <ajay> i'm getting ready to reformat this device is why backup is so important anyways
May 13 22:47:20 <ajay> oh but after i start the other device i lose everything.. it's like, a catch 22 .. !
May 13 22:47:43 <NuttyBunny> you don't lose it immediately
May 13 22:47:56 <ajay> if i still had time to turn off backups and turn them backon, that's all the time i need
May 13 22:48:13 <ajay> s/time/opportunity
May 13 22:48:16 <NuttyBunny> you lose everything once your old device connects to internet, says hello to Palm and Palm tells it that it must wipe itself
May 13 22:48:47 <ajay> so if i turn off the internet, boot this device, launch the backup app.. maybe? probably not
May 13 22:48:58 <ajay> "wipe yo sef!"
May 13 22:49:23 <ajay> its said there's an easy way to stop the wiping, but i don't think the profile server would still accept a backup from this phone, making it all moot
May 13 22:49:47 <ajay> ok really gtg eat.. ;^)
May 13 22:50:21 <NuttyBunny> ok, go eat :)
May 13 22:50:58 <ajay> oh i forgot to backup ph book.. lemme do that first.. i always forget that code..
May 13 22:56:31 <ajay> oh i coulda been burnin that ubuntu cd all this time! alas..
May 13 22:56:35 <ajay> okay really peace.. :)
May 13 22:56:49 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1vX24a4BSo
May 13 22:56:52 <dawm> clever..
May 13 22:57:05 <dawm> multiple tracks 1 video, but with next/prev & track selection
May 13 22:58:01 <NuttyBunny> nice
May 13 22:58:58 <NuttyBunny> but nothing like this: http://www.youtube.com/wariolandshakeit2008
May 13 22:59:55 <dawm> yeah but thats a partner thing
May 13 22:59:59 <dawm> a normal user cannot do that
May 13 23:01:11 <NuttyBunny> true
May 13 23:03:20 <NuttyBunny> gotta go :)
May 13 23:03:39 <PatrickC> cya
May 13 23:24:40 <dohtem> "There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It’s a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I’d prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."  - Steve Ballmer in 2007
May 13 23:26:24 <dawm> random comment from a facebook picture
May 13 23:26:28 <dawm> 'its not gay, the balls aren't out.'
May 13 23:46:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2961609
May 13 23:57:45 <dawm> http://streammonsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/sophitia.jpg
May 13 23:57:46 <dawm> lol
May 13 23:59:35 <dawm> LOL
May 13 23:59:40 <dawm> watching a MGMT video on youtube
May 13 23:59:49 <dawm> and it gives me a Perrin CAI advertisement
May 13 23:59:55 <dawm> how is that related? i dont know
May 14 00:04:59 <dohtem> dawm: google serves ads based on your search history too
May 14 00:05:22 <dawm> yeah i know ;p
May 14 00:05:58 <dohtem> I call a random country with google voice, next day Gmail shows me ads for shit in that country
May 14 00:16:22 <dawm> youtube locked up my ff..
May 14 00:16:24 <dawm> die
May 14 00:17:34 <dawm> thank goodness i can kill plugin-container.exe to nuke flash ;D
May 14 00:18:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I can't wait until Flash is dead and fucking gone
May 14 00:36:39 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lLqqR2pcws
May 14 00:36:40 <dawm> LOL
May 14 00:55:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you know why it's okay to laugh? because she faked in it order to sue for compensation
May 14 00:55:22 <dawm> yep
May 14 00:55:26 <dawm> epic
May 14 00:55:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the build to it is GREAT
May 14 00:55:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
May 14 00:56:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> heh, that's my girlfriend's name
May 14 00:56:51 <dawm> speaking of names
May 14 00:57:15 <dawm> kinda weird atleast i think so
May 14 00:57:20 <dawm> a buddy of mine, his wife just left him for some guy in Wisconsin named Collin
May 14 00:57:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Collin? that's like... the most common name ever
May 14 00:57:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
May 14 00:57:46 <dawm> when I lived in Wisconsin, my GF was Colleen and she left me for some guy in Ohio
May 14 00:57:54 <dawm> somethings wrong with Wisconsin
May 14 00:58:35 <dawm> And people named Coll*
May 14 00:58:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahahaha
May 14 01:01:12 <dawm> hrm
May 14 01:01:27 <dawm> i need a new (or larger) ipod
May 14 01:01:39 <dawm> i cant fit it all in my 30gb
May 14 01:38:26 <dawm> heh
May 14 02:33:33 <DocLee> Damn.  Lists are hot garbage.
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