**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 14 02:59:58 2011
May 14 04:06:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> How are we all this Friday evening?
May 14 04:11:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Ah, quiet. I see.
May 14 04:11:19 <SineOt> yup
May 14 04:11:31 <SineOt> time for drinking and watching Doctor Who
May 14 04:12:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm writing my final paper on the benefits of using native apps over web apps in a time of mobile bandwidth restriction
May 14 04:12:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 14 04:13:29 <SineOt> ahah, interesting topic!
May 14 04:13:59 <SineOt> although really would most web apps really add up to that much?
May 14 04:14:13 <SineOt> I can't imagine they would
May 14 04:16:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well the case for my own site
May 14 04:16:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> (a social network)
May 14 04:17:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> costs just south of 400 KB to load
May 14 04:17:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> more than 300 of that are site scripts, design images, HTML, and stylesheets
May 14 04:17:42 <SineOt> wow, really?
May 14 04:17:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yes.
May 14 04:17:50 <SineOt> link? I'm curious to see what it breaks down to
May 14 04:17:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sorry, NDA :P
May 14 04:18:17 <SineOt> you're talking about it, that's a pretty lax NDA :p
May 14 04:18:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm talking about the size of the profile page in KB, not the features, name, implementation or any of that :P
May 14 04:19:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I have the exact numbers if you want them
May 14 04:19:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> anyway, my point was, by simply sending a JSON to the mobile app, the transaction is reduced to 3% of that
May 14 04:19:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> literally
May 14 04:19:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> less than 10 KB
May 14 04:20:03 <SineOt> nah, it's fine
May 14 04:20:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> less than 1KB for the string data
May 14 04:20:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 8 KB for a 100x100 thumbnail
May 14 04:21:46 <DocLee> 100x100 is a bug thumbnail on a mobile device...
May 14 04:21:50 <DocLee> big
May 14 04:22:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it would be the only profile picture on the page
May 14 04:23:22 <DocLee> it's still big
May 14 04:24:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> when we build our final version we'll change it if necessary
May 14 04:24:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 14 04:24:38 <SineOt> Eh, not really. It'd look large on something like a Pixi screen, but mobile devices now have screens that are pushing some pretty high resolutions
May 14 04:24:39 <DocLee> Yeah, and remember, it doesn't take anything to scale a picture
May 14 04:25:02 <SineOt> y'know, 800x420 or whatever the Pre3 has
May 14 04:25:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well obviously it'd be different for different platforms/device
May 14 04:25:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the server already stores thumbnails of various sizes
May 14 04:54:59 <PatrickC> hey all
May 14 04:56:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Good evening
May 14 06:10:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Jack87: what time zone are you?
May 14 06:11:19 <halfhalo> muuurder!
May 14 06:11:31 <Jack87> mountain time in utah
May 14 06:11:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 14 06:12:11 <halfhalo> utah: americas canada
May 14 06:12:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> EST here
May 14 06:14:10 <Jack87> why you ask?
May 14 06:15:39 * halfhalo is tired
May 14 06:16:11 * PatrickC is PatrickC
May 14 06:16:19 <Jack87> halfhalo: fix my phone then go to bed!
May 14 06:17:55 * PatrickC goes to bed before he's asked to fix anything
May 14 06:20:08 <dohtem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlpTf45H3BM
May 14 06:24:26 <Jack87> goodnight PatrickC
May 14 07:46:00 <oil> SineOt: there was no other votes for the right picture but yours :)
May 14 07:46:09 <SineOt> I win
May 14 07:47:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what time zones are you gentlemen?
May 14 07:47:09 <SineOt> pst
May 14 07:47:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 14 07:47:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so the night is young there
May 14 07:48:09 <SineOt> yup
May 14 07:48:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dammit
May 14 07:48:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm doing a shock cycle to fix my sleep cycle
May 14 07:49:41 <oil> yeah, pst
May 14 07:50:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for the past week I've slept 5 AM to 2 PM
May 14 07:52:35 <oil> livin the dream
May 14 07:52:36 <oil> heh
May 14 07:53:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, it sucks
May 14 07:53:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
May 14 07:53:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's why I'm doing this now, all nighter and then go to bed at 11 PM
May 14 07:53:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> should fix it
May 14 07:53:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my psychology major friends said so
May 14 07:53:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
May 14 08:59:07 <swisstomcat> morning
May 14 08:59:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 5 AM here
May 14 08:59:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 14 08:59:33 <swisstomcat> 11am
May 14 09:05:40 <Sargun> Sat May 14 10:03:13 BST 2011
May 14 09:50:18 <stuffmc> Hi folks
May 14 09:50:34 <stuffmc> I'm using a Pre 2 as my "official" device
May 14 09:50:53 <stuffmc> but I still have my old Pre Plus which I'd like to use with a Sim Card not having a data plan
May 14 09:50:58 <stuffmc> only with WiFi (and voice)
May 14 09:51:19 <stuffmc> What's the process to "activate" it - that is, "skip" the "normal" process
May 14 09:51:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's a contradiction
May 14 09:52:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> activating it IS the normal process
May 14 09:52:54 <stuffmc> I'm sure you know what I mean :-)
May 14 09:53:12 <stuffmc> Again, using my Pre 2 with a o2 card having a data plan (in Germany where I live)
May 14 09:53:30 <stuffmc> but I'm in Belgium for a few weeks (where I'm from) and would like to use the "old" Pre Plus
May 14 09:53:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> OH
May 14 09:53:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you want to skip profile setup and stuff?
May 14 09:53:55 <stuffmc> I guess
May 14 09:54:09 <stuffmc> I'm totally fine by using my palm profile on both devices if it works
May 14 09:54:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good news and bad news:
May 14 09:54:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Good news: there is certainly a way to skip first use
May 14 09:54:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Bad news: I have NO idea what it is
May 14 09:54:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm an American CDMA Pre2 user
May 14 09:54:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> never have to deal with sims :P
May 14 09:56:34 <stuffmc> Didn't even know there was a CDMA Pre ;-)
May 14 09:56:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, original Sprint Pre
May 14 09:56:55 <stuffmc> anyways… next time you don't know something, maybe you just tell it from the beginning :)
May 14 09:57:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha I'm sorry
May 14 09:57:09 <stuffmc> Not really here to have a chat ;) rather to have a solution :)
May 14 09:57:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> better off posting on PreCentral then
May 14 09:57:22 <stuffmc> have a nice day though.
May 14 09:58:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you too.
May 14 10:02:16 <stuffmc> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html
May 14 10:04:03 <stuffmc> "Phone and SMS functionality won't work."
May 14 10:04:09 <stuffmc> yeah, right… totally useless......
May 14 11:22:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Hour 2 1/3 of Operation Fix Sleep Cycle: I can feel tiredness setting in; sux because I have 16 hours to go.
May 14 14:18:31 <leiru> mmmh
May 14 14:41:03 <madnificent> leiru: what's up?
May 14 14:49:02 * PatrickC yawns
May 14 14:49:05 <PatrickC> morning
May 14 14:49:52 <hotdp> morning sir
May 14 14:50:47 <PatrickC> how's it goin?
May 14 14:59:26 <Loudergood> how goes the driving?
May 14 14:59:53 <Loudergood> first time out my dad took me to the busiest road in the city, scared the crap out of me
May 14 15:00:43 <PatrickC> haha
May 14 15:01:08 <PatrickC> I haven't gotten to go on the road yet.. I've only gotten to move the car around in the driveway
May 14 15:02:25 <Loudergood> ah they're being easy on you
May 14 15:03:08 <PatrickC> yep
May 14 15:03:19 <PatrickC> they want me to learn to drive in a parking lot first
May 14 15:04:33 <PatrickC> and the only car we have that I can drive is a '08 Dodge Grand Caravan...
May 14 15:04:38 <PatrickC> the thing is huge lol
May 14 15:07:05 * madnificent learned to drive when he was 9
May 14 15:07:55 <Loudergood> oh, I thought we were talking legally
May 14 15:08:09 <PatrickC> haha
May 14 15:08:37 * Loudergood spent quite awhile sitting on his dads lap on some back roads when he was way younger than that
May 14 15:08:49 <madnificent> ah, in that case, Belgium dictates 18 as the earliest age to get a permanent driver's license
May 14 15:09:08 <madnificent> Loudergood: I meant alone, but yes, that's fun too
May 14 15:09:46 <Loudergood> I'm impressed you could reach the pedals
May 14 15:10:11 <PatrickC> yeah lol
May 14 15:11:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> T MINUS 12 HOURS
May 14 15:12:35 <PatrickC> till?
May 14 15:14:48 <madnificent> Loudergood: haha, we europeans have vans that way smaller than the us cars :)
May 14 15:15:25 * Loudergood drives a gigantic european car ;)
May 14 15:17:36 <PatrickC> haha
May 14 15:22:50 <Loudergood> and a bunch of american companies are selling euro style vans lately
May 14 15:25:37 <PatrickC> I haven't seen the euro vans.. well, I've seen 'em. but not here lol
May 14 15:31:49 <madnificent> Loudergood: what do you drive?
May 14 15:32:42 <leiru> madnificent: our app is in review since 6 days... now i am worrying if it will be rejected
May 14 15:36:09 <Loudergood> An old Volvo station wagon
May 14 15:41:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> PatrickC: Until I get to go to bed
May 14 15:43:02 <PatrickC> why lol
May 14 15:44:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm fixing my broken sleep cycle
May 14 15:44:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the hard way
May 14 15:45:48 <madnificent> leiru: I had one that took a while, still got accepted
May 14 15:45:56 <madnificent> Loudergood: ah, cool :D
May 14 15:46:34 <PatrickC> leiru: post on the forums/email pdc if its been a while and you are worried
May 14 15:47:05 <leiru> madnificent: which one?
May 14 15:47:27 <madnificent> lisp-addict
May 14 16:00:21 <PatrickC> madnificent: you have more apps out then just tasks@hand?
May 14 16:04:16 <bemjb> I decided to doctor my phone (standard palm doctor, no fanciness), and of course, it fails.
May 14 16:04:25 <bemjb> 3 times, even.
May 14 16:04:54 <Loudergood> are you doctoring from recovery mode?
May 14 16:05:10 * Loudergood had lots of failures trying to doctor without entering recovery mode
May 14 16:05:57 <bemjb> didn't do recovery mode
May 14 16:06:15 <bemjb> it is sad that palm's official instructions don't tell you to do that
May 14 16:06:23 <Loudergood> indeed
May 14 16:06:42 <PatrickC> yes they do
May 14 16:06:49 <PatrickC> http://palm.com/rom does iirc
May 14 16:07:26 <bemjb> it didn't, actually. it only does once you dig into the "it didn't work section"
May 14 16:07:35 <bemjb> guess I'll try it later, gotta go now
May 14 16:08:12 <PatrickC> what percent is it failing at?
May 14 16:08:54 <PatrickC> and did you run it from cmd line?
May 14 16:11:22 <madnificent> PatrickC: just those two
May 14 16:11:29 <madnificent> PatrickC: more might be coming, I don't know
May 14 16:11:47 <PatrickC> cool
May 14 16:19:08 <madnificent> also: I generally write apps because I
May 14 16:19:11 <madnificent> /want/
May 14 16:19:13 <madnificent> to have them
May 14 16:20:50 <PatrickC> same here
May 14 16:20:59 <leiru> i write them, because i am bored and it makes fun most time.
May 14 16:21:01 <PatrickC> I do some that people request
May 14 16:21:12 <PatrickC> but, usually I want to have those to :)
May 14 16:21:20 <PatrickC> leiru:  same here
May 14 16:21:25 <madnificent> PatrickC: s/to/too/
May 14 16:21:32 <PatrickC> yep lol
May 14 16:26:55 <madnificent> 'cmon brain, THINK
May 14 16:28:20 <PatrickC> lol
May 14 16:43:53 <leiru> madnificent: i remember that my first OS-app took a week too. now i have a commercial account, maybe first app submissions generally take longer?
May 14 16:46:26 <madnificent> leiru: I think tasks@hand took 2 weeks or more the first time around.  lisp-addict was more an edge-case and thus took far longer (perhaps a month or so?)
May 14 16:46:46 <madnificent> leiru: though it may have been that lisp-addict just came in at a bad time or something like that :)
May 14 16:50:13 <phoque_uni> wow
May 14 16:50:21 <phoque_uni> I am not sure if it's my experience with Mojo
May 14 16:50:29 <phoque_uni> (merely 50 hours)
May 14 16:50:52 <phoque_uni> but there's something to Enyo that makes perfect sense
May 14 16:51:06 <phoque_uni> I've spent a day on a new App
May 14 16:51:12 <madnificent> phoque_uni: and you shouldn't talk about it here
May 14 16:51:12 <phoque_uni> and it's already looking brilliant
May 14 16:51:24 <madnificent> and it's probably your education to some extent
May 14 16:51:31 <phoque_uni> sorry all I'm saying is "it's cool" :-/
May 14 16:52:01 <madnificent> phoque_uni: don't apologise, just trying to have HP/Palm keep us in the loop by not talking about it here :)
May 14 16:54:45 <phoque_uni> OK
May 14 16:54:46 <phoque_uni> :-)
May 14 17:10:43 <LoneStar99> morning folkkd
May 14 17:10:47 <LoneStar99> folks
May 14 17:11:30 <leiru> madnificent: btw from which country are you?
May 14 17:17:50 <madnificent> belgium
May 14 17:17:56 <madnificent> leiru: does that matter for something?
May 14 17:18:24 <leiru> madnificent: yes, webOS conneect berlin :)
May 14 17:18:39 * madnificent can't space a complete day for some fun time, sorry :(
May 14 17:18:49 <leiru> :(
May 14 17:18:56 <madnificent> I would pick Paris if I could go, I guess...
May 14 17:21:21 * madnificent would like to meet some WebOS devs though...
May 14 17:21:37 <LoneStar99> had an ecounter of the 4th kinda yesterday...
May 14 17:22:10 * madnificent suddenly realizes that his car won't drive to Paris without tank stops either
May 14 17:22:39 <Loudergood> I thought you guys took trains everywhere?
May 14 17:23:02 * madnificent doesn't lik etrains
May 14 17:23:13 <madnificent> s/lik e/like /
May 14 17:23:36 * Loudergood always stops driving at the long end of the commuter rail and rides in when he goes to NYC or Boston
May 14 17:23:50 <madnificent> perhaps it would be smart to go to paris... but then again, in Paris, they speak French... and the train ticket would be expensive as well
May 14 17:24:45 <LoneStar99> BSoD --> win 7
May 14 17:32:09 <leiru> madnificent: hm
May 14 17:32:18 <leiru> madnificent: but you are going to FOSSDEM?
May 14 17:33:38 <leiru> oh, fosdem was in feb
May 14 18:07:22 <BigWookie> ;_; why can't I just be patient like the rest of the world, I WANT A PRE3 NOW
May 14 18:07:58 <SimpsonTP> :)
May 14 18:08:19 <SimpsonTP> its stil the thing that puzzles me the most, why don't they deliver hardware
May 14 18:08:47 <BigWookie> I just want a webos phone, but If I buy the pre plus now it won't get updates in long term
May 14 18:18:01 <leiru> BigWookie: i am really unpatient at other things. a new job that i want, for example.
May 14 18:18:58 <leiru> im really depressed at my current company.
May 14 18:19:15 <BigWookie>  /sign but I can't change...
May 14 18:19:21 <BigWookie> for a long time
May 14 18:21:15 <madnificent> leiru: I missed it by accident!  I didn't see it came so soon :(
May 14 18:21:27 <madnificent> I went last year, but there was nothing about WebOS back then IIRC
May 14 18:24:56 <BigWookie> Hmm anybody thoughts about webos on n900?
May 14 19:03:22 <madnificent> BigWookie: yes, HP will probably not allow it :)
May 14 19:04:54 <BigWookie> sorry but that is not really inerresting
May 14 19:05:17 <madnificent> BigWookie: I know, but that's all I can really say :)
May 14 19:05:23 <BigWookie> ^^
May 14 19:05:56 <madnificent> BigWookie: I'm /guessing/ that if you'd take the upcoming tablet os, that it might work on the n900, but it won't look as sleek (screen resolution)
May 14 19:06:16 <BigWookie> The n900's screen os not really much bigger
May 14 19:06:27 <BigWookie> and it's just for the meantime
May 14 19:06:37 <madnificent> what's the resolution (in comparison with the touchpad)
May 14 19:06:57 <BigWookie> 800x480
May 14 19:07:28 * madnificent doesn't know for sure what the touchpad's screen resolution is (and knows even less about whether or not that's published)
May 14 19:07:32 <halfhalo> the n900 is really close to the pre -'s specs
May 14 19:07:42 <BigWookie> yap
May 14 19:08:05 <BigWookie> and with uboot and a mmc I think I can try getting it to the kernel
May 14 19:08:08 <madnificent> ah, so no tablet interface for the n900 :)  I don't know if webos will run nice if you don't have the gesture area
May 14 19:08:09 <BigWookie> ( trying with the emulator image )
May 14 19:08:22 <halfhalo> the emu is x86
May 14 19:09:02 <BigWookie> hmm should have checked that before...
May 14 19:09:21 <BigWookie> you know where I can a arm7 image
May 14 19:09:53 <madnificent> I don't think those have been realed for download
May 14 19:10:16 <BigWookie> I know there was a root image when the pre was released
May 14 19:11:40 * madnificent doesn't know for sure.  Perhaps you can even find a 2.x image out there (as there exists a Pre- with 2.x on it)
May 14 19:11:55 <madnificent> but again, how is it going to work without the gesture area?
May 14 19:12:32 <BigWookie> like in the emulator, emulate the keys, n900 keyboard has far more than the pre
May 14 19:12:46 <BigWookie> in the emulator home is back swipe etc
May 14 19:13:01 * madnificent doesn't know if that'll work (simply don't know)
May 14 19:14:59 <madnificent> however, searching webos-internals seems to be the safe choice.  I don't think you can economically search through everything you need in order to get that running when you compare it to buying a pre- on ebay)
May 14 19:16:21 <BigWookie> I just want to play in the meantime till I get a pre3
May 14 19:18:23 <madnificent> doesn't change the time you need to spend on it ;)
May 14 19:18:49 <BigWookie> For me it's like building lego ^^
May 14 20:08:00 <bemjb> hrm. it does work much better if you put it into recovery mode first. The mind boggles as to why they just don't tell you to do that in the first place.
May 14 21:11:20 <madnificent> bemjb: perhaps ask in the forums to fix that?
May 14 21:54:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey all
May 14 22:00:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> HP Job Posting Signals TouchPad Launch Imminent? @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/hp-job-posting-signals-touchpad-launch-imminent/
May 14 22:05:59 <twbbas> Has anyone made mini '
May 14 22:06:03 <twbbas> oops
May 14 22:07:00 <twbbas> Has anyone made mini "cards" using the horizontal scroller and snapping? I've found that getScrollPosition() doesn't help me with figuring out which "card" the user is viewing.
May 14 22:18:00 <leiru> twbbas: does this help you?
May 14 22:18:01 <leiru> http://pastebin.ca/2059538
May 14 22:20:45 <twbbas> Well I already have a handler that triggers when a new "card" is brought into focus but the problem is that getScrollPosition is completely inaccurate when going from the very left card to the next one and then to the third one.
May 14 22:21:34 <twbbas> After the third card, the scroll position is consistent until the user switches directions of scrolling. Then, the 1st card that they scroll to after the change has the wrong scroll position
May 14 22:21:36 <leiru> as it is snapping you should use "snapIndex" property as in the example?
May 14 22:21:42 <twbbas> Yes it is snapping
May 14 22:22:30 <twbbas> My problem isn't with the snapping, it's with determining which "card" that the user has at the focus
May 14 22:22:55 <twbbas> getScrollPosition doesn't work unless the "cards" are 320 pixels wide with no gap between each
May 14 22:22:59 <leiru> am i talking russish?
May 14 22:23:57 <twbbas> oh wait I just looked at that example again
May 14 22:24:12 <dkirker> hi Adora!
May 14 22:24:29 <twbbas> That looks like it'll work. I'll try it and report back.
May 14 22:24:43 <leiru> hehe
May 14 22:24:44 <leiru> ok
May 14 22:25:10 <Jack87> has anyone figured out why facebook for webos doesn't display pictures?
May 14 22:28:09 <twbbas> leiru: Wow. So simple. It works perfectly! Thanks! I completely forgot about the snapIndex before this. Thanks again. :D
May 14 22:28:37 * twbbas kicks himself for not thinking of that earlier :D
May 14 22:29:31 <leiru> mh.
May 14 22:29:38 <leiru> just learn to read ;)
May 14 22:29:39 <leiru> SCNR
May 14 22:29:56 <twbbas> I'd been searching all over for a solution to this problem for days lol
May 14 22:30:23 <twbbas> But I was only searching about scrollPosition pretty much
May 14 22:30:56 <leiru> i am meaning the example :)
May 14 22:30:59 <twbbas> yeah
May 14 22:31:07 <twbbas> I read it too fast :D
May 14 22:41:06 * halfhalo tires of reading this bio crap.
May 14 22:45:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> who's bio?
May 14 22:45:39 <leiru> halfhalo: ?
May 14 22:46:06 <halfhalo> studying for biology final
May 14 22:46:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah
May 14 22:47:36 <leiru> hm
May 14 23:31:25 <LoneStar99> anyone  messed with  html5 canvas?
May 14 23:32:31 <leiru> LoneStar99: yes
May 14 23:34:16 <leiru> tried to port this: http://basti.option-it.de/test.html and it was slow and ugly looking
May 14 23:34:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> holy crap that's beautiful
May 14 23:34:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> canvas?
May 14 23:34:43 <leiru> ugly looking = looking ugly
May 14 23:34:58 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: lissajous figures on canvas, yes
May 14 23:35:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> awesome
May 14 23:35:38 <leiru> wanted to show this on exhibition mode
May 14 23:35:40 <LoneStar99> leiru: is there anyway to have a file with X and Y coordinated and some how have canvas load it and redraw according to X and Y coords in file?
May 14 23:36:00 <leiru> but it is really slow and transparency is not working
May 14 23:36:22 <leiru> LoneStar99: good question, i don't know
May 14 23:36:59 <PatrickC_Away> looks cool
May 14 23:37:32 <leiru> IGNTNUNLMTD: and the curves arent displayed right
May 14 23:37:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :/
May 14 23:38:11 <LoneStar99> leiru: kinda like saving a vector file and reopeing it
May 14 23:40:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> meaning saving it as an image then reopening?
May 14 23:42:31 <leiru> LoneStar99: i would try a json api, then draw the json on canvas
May 14 23:46:01 <LoneStar99> leiru: saving raw coords and reopening drawing in canvas according to saved coords
May 14 23:46:12 <LoneStar99> leiru: would u know of such an api?
May 14 23:48:26 <leiru> LoneStar99: no, i would build one. you could also use the database for the coors
May 14 23:49:27 <leiru> database vs online api - don't know which better fits your need
May 14 23:49:34 <leiru> *needs
May 14 23:58:17 <leiru> good nite
May 15 00:00:10 <PatrickC> night leiru
May 15 00:03:09 <LoneStar99> thanks leiru
May 15 00:03:20 <LoneStar99> was messing with canvas
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