**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 15 02:59:58 2011
May 15 03:02:30 <halfhalo> its quite... to quite...
May 15 03:10:27 <RagingMind> I imagine it'll stay quiet till summer-ish
May 15 03:11:42 * halfhalo gets out the loudspeakers
May 15 04:06:52 * PatrickC could really use a good FTP client for webOS :/
May 15 13:25:25 <PatrickC> I doctored my pre- to 2.1 yesterday, and had the meta-doc set to "auto-install preware"
May 15 13:25:31 <PatrickC> but preware never installed
May 15 13:32:09 <PatrickC> any ideas?
May 15 14:01:04 <hotdp> hmm will veer be off contract?
May 15 14:01:29 <hotdp> (EU)
May 15 14:03:41 <renegaid> who is getting a Veer
May 15 14:04:44 <hotdp> is it offcontract?
May 15 14:05:32 <renegaid> if you are willing to pay over 350
May 15 14:05:39 <hotdp> in eu?
May 15 14:05:42 <avarus> what?
May 15 14:05:47 <avarus> I read something about 250
May 15 14:05:52 <hotdp> in europe?
May 15 14:05:58 <avarus> 350 would be a killer for the veer here
May 15 14:06:08 <avarus> yes
May 15 14:06:18 <avarus> I read that O2 will be offering the veer next month
May 15 14:06:20 <avarus> for around 250 eur
May 15 14:06:57 <avarus> but no idea if that was bound to some kind of contract
May 15 14:09:21 <renegaid> pre 3 should have come before the veer
May 15 15:02:28 <BigWookie> o2 germany 99 euro with contract
May 15 15:03:12 <BigWookie> else 339 retail price
May 15 15:05:09 <hotdp> link BigWookie ? but it guess its qwertz.. was hoping for a qwerty
May 15 15:05:53 <BigWookie> http://www.webos-blog.de/2011-05-13-jetzt-vorbestellen-pre-3-434e-veer-339e/
May 15 16:12:21 <leiru> madnificent: yeah. passed the review last night. just took some time longer, but was a big bunch of apps released this night
May 15 16:14:12 <madnificent> leiru: you released a bunch? or there were a bunch?
May 15 16:15:40 <madnificent> ¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰
May 15 16:15:53 <madnificent> what?! how cool!  and how did I do that emacs?  HOW DID I DO THAT?
May 15 16:32:07 <leiru> madnificent: there were
May 15 16:40:16 <Loudergood> emacs is your irc client?
May 15 16:44:39 <BigWookie> you can do everything with emacs...
May 15 16:45:43 <Loudergood> I know, it's so bloated ;)
May 15 16:47:43 <madnificent> Loudergood: amongst other things, it's also my irc client, yes :)
May 15 17:32:13 <dohtem> Happy Veer Day!
May 15 17:48:36 <DocLee> I swear.  Whoever made this crap needs to be fired.
May 15 17:48:46 <DocLee> And if Matt is lurking in here, yes, I mean you.
May 15 17:51:16 <bpadalino> what constitutes 'crap' ?
May 15 17:51:26 <DocLee> Begins with an E and ends with an O
May 15 17:51:52 <bpadalino> oh, not a fan? is it confusing, or just not consistent ?
May 15 17:52:02 <DocLee> Lists are hot garbage
May 15 17:52:20 <bpadalino> slow to render and manipulate?
May 15 17:52:32 <DocLee> I can't even get the darn thing to pull up listings
May 15 17:52:41 <DocLee> Confusing as all holy hell
May 15 17:53:07 <bpadalino> :(
May 15 17:54:18 <DocLee> They are completely unintuitive
May 15 17:55:10 <bpadalino> do you have a model that would be much easier or way more intuitive ?
May 15 17:55:36 <DocLee> Yes, the way every single other programming list works for simple lists.  Make a call, get data, stick data into a list.
May 15 17:55:57 <DocLee> Not having the list inquire about the data itsself.
May 15 17:56:02 <DocLee> itself
May 15 17:56:12 <DocLee> All I want is a damn wrapper.
May 15 17:56:24 <DocLee> Just, "Hey...this is a listwidget."
May 15 17:56:24 <bpadalino> :(
May 15 17:59:00 <DocLee> Not everything comes back from the server in a nice neat, organized json file that you can just make callbacks to
May 15 20:12:34 <dawm> balls deep
May 15 22:10:43 <rwhitby> Anyone have a Veer yet?
May 15 22:15:38 <halfhalo> Nope..
May 15 22:15:50 <halfhalo> I'm tempted to get one right now though
May 15 22:16:00 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/#!/preNotes/status/69871421848961024
May 15 22:16:55 <halfhalo> Nice, the att store I was at earlier didn't have any
May 15 22:19:47 <avarus> because they only had two :P
May 15 22:20:24 <halfhalo> Nah, was a college store
May 15 22:20:38 <halfhalo> Ran by my school earlier and decided to take a look
May 15 22:21:44 <SineOt> Man, kind of annoying that they didn't push the new Facebook out
May 15 22:22:03 <SineOt> Anyone pick up a Veer and pull Facebook off it yet? I want my exhibition mode :B
May 15 22:22:56 <halfhalo> The only thing holding me back is the fact i would be switching to att, which is the plan in the long run, but dunno if this is the right time
May 15 22:24:44 <DocLee> AT&T is horrible in my area
May 15 22:25:32 <halfhalo> Sprint just doesn't get service in my house, work, or school... Which is where I could actually use my phone
May 15 22:25:54 <DocLee> Not even roaming service?
May 15 22:26:09 <SineOt> Yeah... Each carrier varies pretty wildly between areas.
May 15 22:26:53 <SineOt> We get pretty good, if slow Sprint 3G at the house, kind of crappy Verizon, mediocre ATT and nonexistent Tmo.
May 15 22:26:56 <halfhalo> There's enough signal so that it doesn't roam, but not enough to make a call
May 15 22:27:37 <halfhalo> Tmo is really good here, but no real device I want on tmo
May 15 22:28:07 <DocLee> Nexus S
May 15 22:28:26 <SineOt> Yeah Tmo would be a killer carrier for cost if you wanted to just bring your own unlocked device, but AWS kind of kills it.
May 15 22:29:44 <halfhalo> Meh, no real want for another android device
May 15 22:29:58 <DocLee> What Android device are you using now?
May 15 22:30:15 <halfhalo> Epic
May 15 22:30:22 <DocLee> Good choice
May 15 22:30:24 <halfhalo> Just not a fan of android
May 15 22:30:52 <DocLee> I prefer Android
May 15 22:31:44 <halfhalo> I just multitask way to much to really like android
May 15 22:32:16 * madnificent is so happy that he doesn't have to use that hideous thing called android anymore.  yuck
May 15 22:32:42 <madnificent> (for varying amounts of so)
May 15 22:33:42 <halfhalo> May pick up a win phone on att though...
May 15 22:34:06 <madnificent> I haven't had a modern windows phone, so I don't know how good/bad it is :)
May 15 22:34:17 <SineOt> http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/images/veer/parallax/overview_accessories_mid.png < Want that Facebook app :I
May 15 22:34:20 <DocLee> I love coding for Win Phone 7
May 15 22:34:31 <halfhalo> Same, hence why I want one.  Plus, would replace my zune
May 15 22:34:50 <DocLee> It's so easy and intuitive and "just works" (TM)
May 15 22:35:20 <DocLee> Powerful too
May 15 22:36:34 <halfhalo> Meh, I'm all web based so webos is what I do
May 15 22:37:51 <DocLee> We're web based as well, but, in terms of audio that is delivered to the device, WebOS is extremely lacking
May 15 22:40:07 * haeffb played with a windows phone yesterday
May 15 22:40:10 <ShadeS> does anyone know what kind of bandwidth you need to stream pandora on the pre?
May 15 22:40:17 <ShadeS> haeffb: sorry to hear
May 15 22:40:30 <DocLee> Forget Pandora
May 15 22:40:49 <haeffb> it was OK
May 15 22:45:00 <DocLee> Anybody have some decent sample code for virtual repeater?
May 15 22:45:11 <DocLee> With a web call that is
May 15 22:57:25 <madnificent> how hard is it to write a stopwatch?! Every stopwatch I try out on webos misses a few seconds per minute, what the hell
May 15 22:57:56 <DocLee> welcome to WebOS
May 15 22:58:44 <madnificent> I remember writing a clock in javascript over 7 years ago which DID operate correctly
May 15 22:59:08 <madnificent> and that's not something WebOS-centric tbh, I've had similar resuts with android apps
May 15 23:07:27 <halfhalo> Let's see... If I can get an att plan that's 10 less a month than sprint I will do it
May 15 23:13:41 <NuttyBunny> madnificent: It depends on your device's internal clock, which, by the way, tends to SUCK big time on earlier Pre's
May 15 23:24:57 <dawm> its funny
May 15 23:25:13 <dawm> had 1 review regarding recent app failure, and 5 emails from the website about it
May 15 23:25:17 <dawm> pretty shocked people went to the website
May 15 23:25:35 <JenP> hi all!
May 15 23:28:46 <haeffb> JenP!
May 15 23:29:00 <JenP> haeffb!!!!!
May 15 23:29:04 <JenP> hiya!!!!
May 15 23:31:33 <haeffb> how ya doin?
May 15 23:31:47 <JenP> i'm good. how are you?
May 15 23:32:08 <JenP> I'm thinking about trying to mod my pre2 for sprint...looking at directions now
May 15 23:32:23 <haeffb> it's fun
May 15 23:32:32 <JenP> yeah? you did it sucessfully?
May 15 23:32:43 <JenP> i'm ready for some fun
May 15 23:32:45 <haeffb> the tricky part is getting the keyboard bezel tabs back in place
May 15 23:33:24 <JenP> well let's see how i do... have you been developing anything new?
May 15 23:33:33 * haeffb practiced on an old used pre first
May 15 23:33:46 <haeffb> not much. just made a new website for my nephew's band.
May 15 23:34:42 <JenP> cool
May 15 23:34:58 <JenP> good idea i have a couple of old pre's
May 15 23:35:01 <haeffb> they were supposed to play their first gig last night, but got rained out
May 15 23:35:14 <haeffb> practice taking them apart & putting back together
May 15 23:35:19 <JenP> oh that sux
May 15 23:35:20 <JenP> kk
May 15 23:45:39 <JenP> any news on Sprint getting a new phone yet?
May 15 23:46:16 <bpadalino> only used phones :(
May 15 23:46:23 <JenP> darn
May 15 23:57:07 <DocLee> Jen
May 15 23:57:48 <dawm> http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/tag/11365/playstation-notwork/
May 15 23:57:55 <dawm> psn might be semi restored tonight
May 15 23:57:59 <JenP> hi DocLee!
May 15 23:58:07 <DocLee> How's it going?
May 15 23:58:34 <JenP> well. you?
May 15 23:58:43 <DocLee> Not bad as always
May 15 23:59:20 <JenP> smiles... I'm so ready for new hardware
May 16 00:16:41 <dawm|laptop> ugh attempting to test out my pdk on device, wont compile :( works fine when xcode compiles it..
May 16 00:19:52 <haeffb> JenP: if you get your Pre2 sprintified, it'll hold you over
May 16 00:20:03 <haeffb> great upgrade to the Pre-
May 16 00:27:14 <DocLee> funkatron, you got a minute?
May 16 00:27:23 <funkatron> sure DocLee
May 16 00:28:37 <Tibfib> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/hp-veer-off-contract-for-49-99-nuff-said/
May 16 00:28:38 <Tibfib> oh dang
May 16 00:28:42 <Tibfib> I may pull teh trigger
May 16 00:29:28 <dohtem> Tibfib: Whoa!
May 16 00:29:50 <Tibfib> yeah, I think I'm going to get it
May 16 00:29:58 <dawm|laptop> wish sprint had devices
May 16 00:30:06 <dawm|laptop> im tired of all these ATT devices that i have
May 16 00:30:36 <dohtem> anyone else get the error with twitter.com where the page comes up blank and you have to reload to see anything?
May 16 00:32:37 <Tibfib> ended up being $43 for me
May 16 00:32:51 <Tibfib> I had a 10 gift card apparently
May 16 00:33:06 <dawm|laptop> nice
May 16 00:33:14 <dawm|laptop> i had a $20 gc once, but it apparently expired on me
May 16 00:33:26 <dawm|laptop> then magically 2 months later after it expired, it reappeared during a purchase
May 16 00:33:55 <dohtem> thank goodness CA put a stop to gift cards expiring
May 16 00:34:02 <halfhalo> 34.99 for me
May 16 00:34:10 <Tibfib> halfhalo: how so?
May 16 00:34:14 <dohtem> dawm: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2929325
May 16 00:34:29 <halfhalo> rebate thingie from older purchase
May 16 00:34:42 <dawm|laptop> ugh.. updated sdk to 2.1 still compile errors :(
May 16 00:35:37 <JenP> I gotta run. It was nice seeing everyone again. ttyl
May 16 00:41:15 <dawm|laptop> off to the forums :|
May 16 00:41:31 <halfhalo> thats a horrible idea
May 16 00:42:28 <Tibfib> so anyone have a 4th gen iPod Touch?
May 16 00:43:32 <halfhalo> bleh
May 16 00:43:34 <halfhalo> ipod
May 16 00:43:41 <dawm> i have a 5th
May 16 00:44:13 <Tibfib> hmm, what's the latest gen?
May 16 00:44:20 <dawm> like 20th? heh
May 16 00:44:51 <dawm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod
May 16 00:44:51 <halfhalo> I blame Adora for the veer.
May 16 00:45:01 <dawm> 4th for touch
May 16 00:45:10 <dawm> sixth for classic
May 16 00:45:30 <Tibfib> hmm, well I'm going to england for ~4 weeks and I was wondering if an iPod touch would be a worthy investment
May 16 00:45:42 <dawm> dont get a 3rd gen 8gb
May 16 00:45:46 <dawm> its slower than the pre-
May 16 00:46:03 <dawm> er 2nd gen
May 16 00:46:17 <Tibfib> well I'd get a 4th gen 32gb
May 16 00:46:55 <dawm> thats like a iphone4 without the phone
May 16 00:49:11 <Tibfib> I'd want to jailbreak it but that's kinda risky for just buying it
May 16 00:50:29 <Tibfib> shmeh, I'll just wait for the touchpad to be my new device
May 16 01:13:26 <dawm> http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=30.561265,+-92.021019&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8624eda80c934aab:0xa7f3aa294208a84b,%2B30%C2%B0+33%27+37.92%22,+-92%C2%B0+1%27+5.83%22&gl=us&ei=e3nQTaTxDMXXgQew5PiqDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA
May 16 01:13:41 <dawm> zoom in and to the left
May 16 01:31:46 <dohtem> looks like Amazon.com fixed the Veer pice
May 16 01:32:02 <funkatron> I ordered one before that
May 16 01:32:07 <funkatron> but I assume it will be cancelled
May 16 01:32:10 <dohtem> me too
May 16 01:32:19 * dohtem crosses fingers
May 16 01:38:37 <madnificent> how much was it?
May 16 01:39:30 <halfhalo> 49
May 16 01:39:49 <madnificent> yeah, that's somewhat rediculous :)
May 16 01:40:13 <dawm> added PHP and HTML/Javascript/XHTML/XML to his languages.
May 16 01:40:16 <dawm> <3 facebook :P
May 16 01:41:42 <halfhalo> lol
May 16 01:41:59 <SineOt> Adora: you there?
May 16 01:42:20 * Tibfib crosses fingers
May 16 01:46:41 <NuttyBunny> grr... I couldn't get my Veer
May 16 01:47:04 <halfhalo> awwww
May 16 01:47:14 <halfhalo> its ok, they most likely will kill the orders anywho
May 16 01:47:28 <NuttyBunny> yep, I know
May 16 01:53:14 <Loudergood> yeah I bought one that way and can't use a GSM phone as my daily so if I get it I'll probably end up passing it along to a nice open source dev at cost
May 16 01:54:27 <Loudergood> unfortunately $50 is a sizeable chunk of my weekly take home at the moment or I'd probably donate it to someone
May 16 01:54:45 <SineOt> I just want the Facebook app off of it
May 16 01:55:01 <SineOt> does anyone know the build date of webOS that's shipping on device?
May 16 01:55:32 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: Send it to me, I'll cover shipping costs :D
May 16 02:07:07 <Tibfib> SineOt: is the facebook app different?
May 16 02:07:17 <SineOt> yup
May 16 02:07:27 <SineOt> has a killer exhibition mode
May 16 02:07:50 <Tibfib> oh really
May 16 02:07:51 <Tibfib> nice
May 16 02:07:57 <SineOt> yup
May 16 02:08:27 <dohtem> Haha Chris Hansen is now going after shady contractors
May 16 02:08:36 <SineOt> cycles through new posts and photos, letting you like and comment etc
May 16 02:48:04 <halfhalo> noooooooo!
May 16 02:48:12 <halfhalo> the veer order was canceled
May 16 02:49:26 <bpadalino> unbelievable!
May 16 02:55:03 <halfhalo> inorit
May 16 02:56:08 <funkatron> hmmm
May 16 02:56:13 <funkatron> did you get an email about it?
May 16 02:56:23 <halfhalo> no, just pulled up the order page
May 16 02:56:47 <SineOt> Hmm. Can you use Node.JS in like, a local web app? :o
May 16 02:57:25 <halfhalo> nope.  needs v8 in the backend which means not able to be run in a browser
May 16 02:57:48 <SineOt> Boo.
May 16 02:58:04 <SineOt> I need an NFO creator and all the OSX options suck.
May 16 02:58:48 <halfhalo> so, friday i go to att
May 16 02:59:25 <halfhalo> wonder how this is going to work with the sprints stuff being moved over
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