**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 16 02:59:57 2011
May 16 03:00:09 <SineOt> The Spring GV stuff is so nice... I'd hate to lose that, it'd suck.
May 16 03:00:19 <halfhalo> dont use it
May 16 03:00:47 <halfhalo> I just have all people call my GV number and call out using that
May 16 03:02:30 <SineOt> You've probably got GV linked to more than one phone, I'm guessing
May 16 03:04:46 <halfhalo> at the moment? nope
May 16 03:05:31 <DocLee> Does google allow multiple google voice numbers to the same number yet?
May 16 03:05:56 <SineOt> Not to my knowledge.
May 16 03:06:09 <DocLee> Bah
May 16 03:06:33 <funkatron> ah yep, mine was just cancelled via email
May 16 03:07:04 <DocLee> What was cancelled?
May 16 03:07:28 <dohtem> mine too
May 16 03:08:00 <dohtem> DocLee: $50 no-contract Veer on Amazon
May 16 03:08:59 <DocLee> Obviously a typo
May 16 03:18:43 <funkatron> yerp
May 16 03:20:10 <SineOt> Hm. Anyone know if there's a simple Bonjour/ZeroConf browser written for webOS yet?
May 16 03:24:59 <DocLee> Doubt it
May 16 03:27:31 <SineOt> Actually, there is. Yay. :3 http://www.outlinetracker.com/non-public/AgentZ.html
May 16 03:58:37 <funkatron> back
May 16 03:59:26 <halfhalo> front
May 16 04:01:46 <SineOt> Ugh, how annoying. mDNS isn't resolving on the network at all.
May 16 04:18:56 <NuttyBunny> Koto or Media Player Remix?
May 16 04:21:58 <SineOt> I'm personally a fan of Koto
May 16 05:22:06 <PatrickC> hey all
May 16 10:48:32 <K4llle> Hello!
May 16 10:51:39 <K4llle> I have a little problem with a webview... is anybody here who has some experience with webviews?
May 16 11:44:43 <ehd> is it possible to add/change files inside an installed application's directory?
May 16 11:45:31 <ehd> using a service, of course.
May 16 11:54:36 <ehd> or can an app open a file url from its service's dir?
May 16 14:26:27 <PatrickC> morning
May 16 14:29:21 <cwayne> PatrickC: mornin
May 16 14:42:08 <PatrickC> hey cwayne
May 16 14:42:18 <cwayne> PatrickC: whats up
May 16 14:42:34 <PatrickC> nm
May 16 14:46:25 <funkatron> I wrote this, if you're interested. http://j.mp/enyoopensource
May 16 14:53:48 <hotdp> funkatron: i will have a look :d
May 16 14:53:59 <funkatron> thanks homie
May 16 14:57:09 <PatrickC> I'll take a look to
May 16 14:57:19 * PatrickC is about to read Eloquint... :)
May 16 14:59:29 <funkatron> I suspect you will find that more eloquent
May 16 14:59:38 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 15:00:07 <PatrickC> I'm finally serious about learning JS
May 16 15:04:52 <PatrickC> so, I'm gonna read Eloquent JS.. even if it is very long lol
May 16 15:09:47 <funkatron> oh yeah, great book
May 16 15:10:27 <PatrickC> well.. in PDF
May 16 15:10:36 <PatrickC> s/PDF/HTML/
May 16 15:12:18 <funkatron> that too
May 16 15:12:23 * PatrickC is looking to set up a phpBB forum :)
May 16 15:12:36 <PatrickC> or does anyone else know of a better system?
May 16 15:16:05 <funkatron> I think the newer phpBB stuff is actually pretty good, i hear
May 16 15:16:17 <funkatron> not the swiss cheese security of old versions
May 16 15:16:17 <PatrickC> phpBB3?
May 16 15:16:22 <funkatron> something like that
May 16 15:17:32 <PatrickC> I'm gonna put it up on my tutorial site.. so people can ask questions about specific languages
May 16 15:37:19 * halfhalo hearts vbulletin
May 16 15:40:18 <PatrickC> halfhalo: is that what your site uses?
May 16 15:40:34 <halfhalo> i think two of them do, yes
May 16 15:40:49 <PatrickC> ok..
May 16 15:41:19 <halfhalo> oh... that reminds me, gotta find the reg info for those sites... crap.
May 16 15:43:05 <halfhalo> to the interwebs! (and my massive pile of emails!)
May 16 15:43:29 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 15:47:49 <PatrickC> Hey NuttyBunny!
May 16 15:47:56 <NuttyBunny> I want my HP non-computer!!! http://www.theonion.com/articles/hp-unveils-noncomputer-for-those-who-dont-need-a-c,20378/
May 16 15:48:05 <NuttyBunny> hey PatrickC !
May 16 15:48:29 <NuttyBunny> I'm at another attempt of fixing the plugins :)
May 16 15:48:40 <NuttyBunny> this one *might* actually work
May 16 15:49:03 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 15:50:46 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: I'll be in the beta? :D
May 16 15:51:11 <NuttyBunny> If you don't mind breaking your messaging app again :D  hahahaha
May 16 15:51:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Speaking of messaging apps, what happen to Mojo Messenger?
May 16 15:51:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :(
May 16 15:51:52 <PatrickC> hmm.. I have 2 pre2's now.. so I'm good lol
May 16 15:51:55 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I want one too
May 16 15:52:28 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: I have 2 pre2's, a Pre-, and a + :)
May 16 15:52:42 <PatrickC> I'm sure I can break one of them lol
May 16 15:52:53 * halfhalo has a knife
May 16 15:52:59 <halfhalo>  /win
May 16 15:53:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Probably nothing a trip to the doctor can't fix anyway
May 16 15:53:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the messaging app, not the knife
May 16 15:53:14 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC, RagingMind : IF this works, I'll send you the address of the beta feed :D
May 16 15:53:35 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I was thinking of the non-computer, but messaging is nifty too
May 16 15:53:53 <NuttyBunny> IGNTNUNLMTD: PatrickC had to delete his profile backup because the mesagging stopped working
May 16 15:53:56 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: the doc doesn't fix profile issues ;)
May 16 15:54:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
May 16 15:54:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nevermind.
May 16 15:54:15 <PatrickC> loo
May 16 15:54:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 16 15:54:16 <PatrickC> lol*
May 16 15:54:23 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Ah, yes, I'm gonna order one, 4.99 is really cheap, I just hope they don't charge too much for the shipping ;)
May 16 15:55:09 <RagingMind> HP should really produce that, it would be a great publicity thing
May 16 15:55:22 * PatrickC is lost
May 16 15:55:36 <NuttyBunny> I don't understand, seriously, why Twitter is suggesting me to follow Bill Gates???!
May 16 15:55:54 <halfhalo> lol
May 16 15:55:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I just want a good webOS t-shirt... is that too much to ask?!?
May 16 15:56:01 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 15:56:02 <RagingMind> and inside the box they should hide a coupon for a Touchpad... :)
May 16 15:56:16 <PatrickC> ragingmind: what box??
May 16 15:56:21 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Nice one! :D
May 16 15:56:23 * PatrickC wants that coupod!!
May 16 15:56:28 <RagingMind> PatrickC, check nutty's link
May 16 15:56:28 <PatrickC> coupon..*
May 16 16:00:24 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 16:00:33 * PatrickC will take 12
May 16 16:02:17 <NuttyBunny> I wonder if there will be a free developer non-computer program for non-developers? ;)
May 16 16:04:35 <NuttyBunny> BTW, I found out why my Pre- signal dropped to the floor suddenly, it turns out that the antennas in the back of the Pre (Inside), CAN be cut off if you tighten the screws too hard :'(
May 16 16:05:22 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 16:05:33 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, and thanks for the compcache tip... my pre+ is so much nicer with it turned off
May 16 16:05:37 <PatrickC> time for Eloquent
May 16 16:06:03 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Excellent!!  I'll turn it off on mine as well :)
May 16 16:16:23 * haeffb_pre needs a compcache tip
May 16 16:17:36 <NuttyBunny> haeffb_pre: the tip was to disable on the Plus, as it slows things down and it's not really needed with 512Mb of RAM
May 16 16:18:17 <NuttyBunny> on the Pre, the tip is to make it big, and boost your speed to at least 600Mhz (720 is better)
May 16 16:18:26 <NuttyBunny> I have it set on 32Mb
May 16 16:18:32 <PatrickC> "It is certainly littered with traps and snares, luring the inexperienced programmer into all kinds of horrible mistakes . . ."
May 16 16:18:40 <NuttyBunny> js?
May 16 16:18:44 <PatrickC> yep
May 16 16:18:50 <PatrickC> Eloquent JS
May 16 16:18:53 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes, perl does that as well
May 16 16:19:28 * PatrickC has experienced those horrible mistakes :/
May 16 16:20:45 <PatrickC> "Rules of thumb are useful, but one should never be afraid to break them" :)
May 16 16:58:46 <dylanmei> is there a nice place to read all the app catalog comments for an app?
May 16 16:58:52 <dylanmei> i used to use cyrket but seems gone now
May 16 16:59:14 <PatrickC> in the app catalog?
May 16 16:59:30 <dylanmei> yeah, a website page for reading comments
May 16 17:00:18 <PatrickC> use the app catalog?
May 16 17:01:00 <dylanmei> outside of using the phone...?
May 16 17:01:26 <PatrickC> hmm.. I know there's a site.. but I don't remember the url.. sorry
May 16 17:01:39 <dylanmei> ok, maybe someone else.
May 16 17:01:41 <dylanmei> thx
May 16 17:12:24 <NuttyBunny> dylanmei: it works for me... (cyrket)
May 16 17:12:47 <NuttyBunny> it's just sloooooooow right now :S
May 16 17:13:08 <dylanmei> ahhhh... thought it wasn't responding and gave up. see if i can get it to load. thx.
May 16 17:14:31 <dylanmei> YES. got it. cheers :)
May 16 17:15:07 <cwayne> dylanmei: myappbox.com
May 16 17:15:26 <cwayne> dylanmei: or use reviewtomail
May 16 17:16:43 <dylanmei> oh that's nice. what a great idea.
May 16 17:17:09 <morphis> y
May 16 17:17:18 <cwayne> why wat
May 16 18:04:30 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDe3Fy7o2wc
May 16 18:04:52 <dwc-> darn, too bad I was sleeping during the $50 veer mistake. could have used a $10 gc
May 16 18:05:56 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: too bad I didn't have an address to ship the veer to  ;)   (I do now).. hehehe
May 16 18:33:31 <krycek_> any news about enyo supporting desktop browsers?
May 16 18:55:36 <AricwithanA> One of my friends told me to start working on stuff for WebOS, my reading and such...development for webos looks awesome....major question before I go further....can you replace the main GUI?
May 16 18:56:06 <funkatron> AricwithanA: you can build a webOS app like a web page
May 16 18:56:17 <funkatron> so, yes, you can change the UI completely
May 16 18:56:32 <AricwithanA> well I'm a big LCARS person and wanting to bring my whole LCARS GUI over...it is more than just a laucher
May 16 18:56:34 <funkatron> now how *easy* that is depends on your comfort level
May 16 18:56:44 <funkatron> people love LCARS
May 16 18:57:02 <AricwithanA> http://www.youtube.com/mraricwithana#p/a/u/1/vlLzmc40PY0
May 16 18:57:15 <AricwithanA> this was for WinMo...the software used is being ported to Android and I'm making a whole new design
May 16 18:57:28 <AricwithanA> but I'm thinking of trying to bring it over to webos also
May 16 18:57:42 <AricwithanA> the new design is not the same as V4 of course
May 16 18:58:19 <AricwithanA> (my old, old phone was a pile of crap with a small screen)
May 16 18:58:30 <AricwithanA> i was just told you can't replace the standard GUI so I wasn't sure
May 16 18:58:48 <funkatron> what do you mean by standard GUI?
May 16 18:58:56 <funkatron> within your app, or on the entire phone?
May 16 18:59:04 <AricwithanA> entire phone
May 16 18:59:12 <AricwithanA> it would be what is under the "cards" when you switch apps
May 16 18:59:19 <AricwithanA> or if you are not running an app at all
May 16 18:59:28 <leiru> *smile*
May 16 18:59:33 <AricwithanA> sorry, not a lot of exerpience with webos
May 16 18:59:45 <AricwithanA> just looked at how you can develop and Ihad a geek moment
May 16 18:59:57 <AricwithanA> i am a horrible programmer but I can handle scripting langs no problem
May 16 19:00:30 <AricwithanA> i don't consider scripting the same as like C++ or anything
May 16 19:00:51 <funkatron> to some extent you can retheme the system UI. There is homebrew stuff to that end
May 16 19:01:00 <AricwithanA> ok
May 16 19:01:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Adora: ping! I have a question
May 16 19:01:26 <Adora> pong!
May 16 19:01:32 <AricwithanA> bascially what you saw in the video would be what is running under  the cards and other apps, once no apps are open that is hwat you are left with
May 16 19:02:06 <AricwithanA> if you do homebrew like that, is it still allowed on the markets and such?
May 16 19:02:10 <AricwithanA> sorry so many questions
May 16 19:02:43 <funkatron> AricwithanA: that is super badapp, but I don't believe it would be reasonably possible to change the webOS systeem UI that much
May 16 19:02:50 <funkatron> system even
May 16 19:02:52 <AricwithanA> ok damn
May 16 19:03:24 <funkatron> you could certainly make an application do that
May 16 19:03:28 <AricwithanA> i wasn't usre if the system UI was just a "home app" or not
May 16 19:03:46 <AricwithanA> yea I guessed I could make a basic app
May 16 19:03:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Adora, did you get my private message?
May 16 19:03:51 <funkatron> umm, it used to be more of one. The launcher is not one anymore, though. But other folks know that stuff better than me
May 16 19:04:06 <AricwithanA> i was thinking of making a forum registration
May 16 19:04:25 <AricwithanA> but i saw IRC and iprefer IRC, lol
May 16 19:05:04 <AricwithanA> If anything I might make the separate app just for fun then
May 16 19:05:24 * halfhalo blames Adora for veer amazon stuffs
May 16 19:06:05 <halfhalo> because I can
May 16 19:07:09 <AricwithanA> thanks for the help!  I'll try the forums also just to cover all my bases
May 16 19:07:47 * halfhalo wants veer for 50.
May 16 19:09:25 <Adora> halfhalo:  dude, I ordered 2
May 16 19:10:03 <phoque_uni> the only way to read and write files is using a node.js Service?
May 16 19:10:24 <phoque_uni> does WebOS ship such a service or do I have to create it myself?
May 16 19:11:00 <halfhalo> Adora don't you have access to like a bajillion?
May 16 19:11:09 <Adora> not yet
May 16 19:11:38 <halfhalo> ...
May 16 19:12:01 <halfhalo> when you do give me one!
May 16 19:12:50 <halfhalo> I shall bribe with wheel o blame
May 16 19:14:38 <PatrickC> hey Adora!
May 16 19:17:17 <halfhalo> *evil laugh*
May 16 19:17:57 * PatrickC hides in corner
May 16 19:18:33 <PatrickC> Adora: send one my way? ;)
May 16 19:19:18 * NuttyBunny writes his name down on the list ... pleeease? ;)  hehehe
May 16 19:20:25 <halfhalo> bbiaf speeding time
May 16 19:21:00 <NuttyBunny> mmm... what's the "f" for? -- ah, flash... ok
May 16 19:22:03 * cwayne still just wants a touchpad
May 16 19:22:09 <cwayne> you all can have your veers
May 16 19:22:10 <cwayne> lol
May 16 19:22:50 <PatrickC> hahaha
May 16 19:23:33 <sugardave> phoque_uni: you will  have to write it yourself
May 16 19:23:42 <phoque_uni> why?!
May 16 19:23:50 <sugardave> uh
May 16 19:23:51 * NuttyBunny wants a non-computer (with a Touchpad coupon inside)
May 16 19:23:53 <phoque_uni> aren't they supposed to be used by different apps anyways?
May 16 19:23:55 <sugardave> because there isn't one?
May 16 19:24:09 <NuttyBunny> http://www.theonion.com/articles/hp-unveils-noncomputer-for-those-who-dont-need-a-c,20378/
May 16 19:25:26 <phoque_uni> sugardave, yes I know but what's the point in every body writing his/her own service for exactly the same reason?
May 16 19:25:44 <sugardave> maybe you can write one and put it on github and we can all use it :)
May 16 19:26:27 <haeffb_pre> yeah. or palm could add such basic functionality to the OS.
May 16 19:26:37 <haeffb_pre> whichever makes more sense
May 16 19:26:38 <sugardave> hmm, which one will be faster?
May 16 19:27:59 <haeffb_pre> depends. if you're waiting for me to do it....you'll be waiting long time :)
May 16 19:28:13 <phoque_uni> haeffb_pre, same goes for HP/Palm
May 16 19:28:18 <phoque_uni> :-P
May 16 19:28:26 <haeffb_pre> I can procrastinate longer than Palm
May 16 19:28:45 <haeffb_pre> we'll see which of us blinks first
May 16 19:29:36 <haeffb_pre> maybe the SWAT  team will come write it for me...
May 16 19:32:59 * leiru always thinks at dark men with an hekler& koch --> swat team
May 16 19:34:34 <Simpson_2> if I wanna run a app in the emulator, do I need to have one running ? or should the SDK figure that out automagicly ?
May 16 19:34:46 <leiru> sugardave will visit us with an machine gun to teach us better webOS HAHA!
May 16 19:34:51 <halfhalo> sqeeeeegeeeee
May 16 19:34:51 <phoque_uni> Simpson_2, have an emulator running?
May 16 19:36:07 <phoque_uni> Simpson_2, you need to start the emulator using palm-emulator, chose the resolution and let it boot up
May 16 19:36:35 <phoque_uni> to install the package use palm-install -d tcp your.ipk
May 16 19:36:38 <Simpson_2> ah okay, so eclipse will not start that for me ?
May 16 19:36:50 <phoque_uni> ah, I have no idea about Eclipse, sorry
May 16 19:36:57 <leiru> Simpson_2: it will
May 16 19:37:03 <phoque_uni> I use a Makefile and the shell
May 16 19:37:07 <leiru> you have to add a run configuration
May 16 19:37:36 <leiru> (just use the dropdown under the green "play" button)
May 16 19:56:31 <Simpson_2> hmm can't get  openlayers to work in my webos app :-/
May 16 19:57:50 <oil> INTERNETLMNTD
May 16 19:58:07 <halfhalo> inorit
May 16 20:02:19 * NuttyBunny ducks
May 16 20:04:13 <Simpson_2> wtf
May 16 20:05:56 <cwayne>  /ignore IGNTNUNLMTD
May 16 20:06:23 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 20:06:38 <halfhalo>  /stab IGNTNUNLMTD
May 16 20:06:49 * PatrickC ducks
May 16 20:07:55 <PatrickC> just sent him an email
May 16 20:16:31 <maik> not that isn't really fucking annoying... but god dammit that's really fucking annoying
May 16 20:16:46 <maik> +that, somewhere in there
May 16 20:16:47 <halfhalo> wheres dkirker when you need him
May 16 20:17:42 <funkatron> you can ask for a freenode helper boy if you need it
May 16 20:17:52 <halfhalo> thats effort
May 16 20:18:05 <funkatron> yeah
May 16 20:18:13 <funkatron> WHO HAS THE LOIC?
May 16 20:21:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Pardon that, gentlemen
May 16 20:21:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my Macbook Pro is typical Apple: works for the majority of things but has one glaring flaw: it doesn't sleep.
May 16 20:21:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> (correctly)
May 16 20:22:30 <maik> heh, mine just doesn't sleep at all
May 16 20:26:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I think part of the reason is the stupid networking software my school uses
May 16 20:26:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it constantly pings while the lid is closed
May 16 20:27:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I'm not sure if that's because it doesn't sleep in the first place
May 16 20:27:08 <halfhalo> ew, networking software
May 16 20:27:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
May 16 20:27:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> seriously
May 16 20:27:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Bradford Persistent Agent
May 16 20:27:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, persistent at being shit.
May 16 20:28:48 <cwayne> lolol
May 16 20:31:09 <AricwithanA> lol IGNTNUNLMTD, my osx86x netbook sleeps perfectly!
May 16 20:31:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 16 20:31:33 <AricwithanA> older hp mini
May 16 20:31:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Apple sucks unless you do things they don't like with it
May 16 20:31:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> JUST LIKE THE IPHONE
May 16 20:31:45 <AricwithanA> pretty much
May 16 20:31:55 <AricwithanA> i love OSX, I grew up on os classic
May 16 20:31:55 * IGNTNUNLMTD rimshots
May 16 20:32:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, I'm a lifetime user myself
May 16 20:32:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> sadly becoming more and more ashamed of the fact
May 16 20:32:26 <AricwithanA> but I won't pay for intel hardware that is rebranded to apple and sold for four times the price
May 16 20:33:02 <AricwithanA> I just buy the intel hardware from newegg and install os x after buying it at bestbuy
May 16 20:33:03 <AricwithanA> lol
May 16 20:33:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good work
May 16 20:33:30 <AricwithanA> still gotta dualboot windows so I can game, but that is all windows is used for anymore
May 16 20:34:35 <AricwithanA> meh it isn't hard, other guys have made the process as easy as clicking a mouse button
May 16 20:34:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 16 20:35:13 <AricwithanA> the mini took some work, but that isb ecause of unsupported hardware
May 16 20:35:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, I dunno if I can justify buying a computer wherein I cannot install my own drive
May 16 20:35:33 <AricwithanA> same here, same here
May 16 20:35:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so Apple may be out for me in the next round
May 16 20:35:57 <AricwithanA> i had to move to windows back in 2001 because I couldn't afford the apple hardware
May 16 20:36:47 <funkatron> you guys buy desktops? 8D
May 16 20:36:54 <AricwithanA> of course
May 16 20:37:34 <AricwithanA> one I game, two I dabble in 3d rendering and three my setup is in the front room so my main sitting place is my awesome throne like chair
May 16 20:37:49 * halfhalo hearts his desktop
May 16 20:38:00 <Loudergood> I upgrade it a piece at a time...the AGP->PCIE transition was expensive for me
May 16 20:38:05 <AricwithanA> i hate having one monitor to use...anything less than 2 and I get claustrophobic
May 16 20:38:11 <Loudergood> my speakers are 10 years old
May 16 20:38:28 <halfhalo> I have had pciex since... the first athlon x2's I think...
May 16 20:38:35 <AricwithanA> yea
May 16 20:38:42 <AricwithanA> i'm waiting for ARM to take over though
May 16 20:38:50 <AricwithanA> intel does have tehir new 3d intelchips comming out
May 16 20:38:51 <halfhalo> currently stuck on LGA775 which is gonna suck when I upgrade
May 16 20:39:00 <Loudergood> I had a dual opteron agp system...basically had to replace everything
May 16 20:39:15 <AricwithanA> i finally upgraded my old dual core amd about ayear ago
May 16 20:39:27 <halfhalo> amd is just so... cheap
May 16 20:39:28 <AricwithanA> now it is the media center in the corner
May 16 20:39:35 <halfhalo> like, really, a quad for 70?
May 16 20:39:38 <Loudergood> halfhalo: that's the nice thing about it
May 16 20:39:58 <AricwithanA> amd and intel are neck and neck unless you  need something that needs things like rendering and such, then you go intel
May 16 20:40:10 <AricwithanA> otherwise, amd all the way
May 16 20:40:12 <halfhalo> Somewhere I have a 3.4GHz phenom II quad black on my desk
May 16 20:40:22 <AricwithanA> and os x runs on amd great now also!
May 16 20:40:35 <halfhalo> Nah, I'm going intel 2600K when I do upgrade
May 16 20:42:26 <AricwithanA> i'm not even thinking of upgrading for at lest another 3-4 years hopefully
May 16 20:42:43 <AricwithanA> video card sure if the games I play start having problems but otherwise, meh
May 16 20:42:53 <halfhalo> I'm being cpu limited in games, so its getting close to the need-to-upgrade time
May 16 20:43:05 <AricwithanA> i do like my i7
May 16 20:43:08 <AricwithanA> lol
May 16 20:43:21 <AricwithanA> i usually don't splurge, I'm too cheap
May 16 20:43:21 <halfhalo> still rocking a q6600
May 16 20:43:42 <AricwithanA> for a second there I thought you typed the ppc 6600
May 16 20:43:44 <AricwithanA> lol
May 16 20:43:53 <halfhalo> my main issue with upgrading is that I refuse to get a mobo that has less features than my current one
May 16 20:44:58 <AricwithanA> ah
May 16 20:45:48 <halfhalo> yeah
May 16 20:45:58 <halfhalo> namely, mah full speed (ish) pciex slots
May 16 20:48:02 <funkatron> were money no object, I'd def have a sweeeeet gaming PC
May 16 20:48:32 <AricwithanA> i try and keep things balanced
May 16 20:49:08 <halfhalo> 2 PCI-Ex 2.0 x16 plus one PCI-Ex 1.0 x16 that can all run at full speed at the same time
May 16 20:49:35 <AricwithanA> why do you need the 1.0?
May 16 20:50:07 <halfhalo> right now the 1.0 is used by a nic, doesn't need to be a 1.0, just something at equal perf or higher
May 16 20:50:20 <halfhalo> which ends up being 2.0 x8
May 16 20:50:43 <AricwithanA> ah
May 16 20:50:49 <AricwithanA> all i have is just the one video card
May 16 20:50:57 <AricwithanA> i really do hate realtek audio though
May 16 20:50:58 <funkatron> I used to love building systems. My first was a fat Pentium 150Mhz. Overclocked to 166.
May 16 20:50:59 <funkatron> zoom.
May 16 20:51:04 <AricwithanA> lol
May 16 20:51:12 <AricwithanA> i remember those days!
May 16 20:51:24 <funkatron> hot stuff!
May 16 20:51:26 <AricwithanA> i wasn't very odl at that time but I remember them
May 16 20:51:41 <funkatron> I was in college, or just out of, I think
May 16 20:51:42 <halfhalo> I have a 5850, a crappy sata card, and a nic all using pciex, plus a pci soundcard
May 16 20:52:12 <AricwithanA> 4850 for me, no sata card and my nic is just built in as with most mobo's now
May 16 20:52:23 <AricwithanA> my sound i use a usb connector that came with my headphones
May 16 20:52:24 <AricwithanA> lol
May 16 20:52:49 <AricwithanA> the logitech drivers for the usb thing are way better than the realtek ones you usually find that comes with the mobo
May 16 20:53:20 <halfhalo> using the sata controller since I ran out of ports on the mobo, and mah nic is a killernic, I have the dual gigabit ones on the mobo disabled.  And rocking the first get xfi platinum still
May 16 20:53:30 <AricwithanA> nice
May 16 20:53:52 <AricwithanA> i might have to get a sata card for the media center
May 16 20:53:57 <AricwithanA> I think I'm almost out
May 16 21:04:02 <PatrickC> grrr
May 16 21:38:14 <SineOt> Adora: When's the Exhibition enabled Facebook launching? :p
May 16 22:12:00 <PatrickC> sineot: +1
May 16 22:17:31 <Adora> anyone with a UK device around?
May 16 22:20:27 * PatrickC doesn't 
May 16 22:21:03 * PatrickC has 4 US devices around.. but no UK
May 16 22:22:48 <Guest29605> Just got to play with an hp veer
May 16 22:23:01 <NuttyBunny> and?
May 16 22:23:13 <Guest29605> Interesting little phone. Really small
May 16 22:23:34 <PatrickC> you like it?
May 16 22:23:43 <Draecos> diddy aint it
May 16 22:24:13 <Guest29605> Not for me to use. The phone is too tiny
May 16 22:24:13 <keith> 11
May 16 22:24:31 <Guest29605> I can see it being popular for kids and women
May 16 22:24:54 <Guest29605> People that don't do much on the phone
May 16 22:25:46 <NuttyBunny> mmm... but at that price.... it isn't good news....
May 16 22:26:47 <SineOt> I don't know… I don't think it's something that'll be limited to people who just "don't do much" on their phones
May 16 22:27:37 <SineOt> It's real only limitation is the screen resolution and size compared to other, larger devices
May 16 22:28:07 <AricwithanA> If I were to have a tablet device, I'd so be running webOS
May 16 22:28:17 <Guest29605> You'll spend so much time scrolling and zoming
May 16 22:28:19 <AricwithanA> i kinda hate my droid x
May 16 22:28:57 <Guest29605> Even the dialpad is really cramped. You have to take your time
May 16 22:29:10 <PatrickC> voice dial
May 16 22:29:28 <PatrickC> and AricwithanA: same here (about the slate)
May 16 22:30:01 <AricwithanA> the thing that has kept me from buying a tablet is A:  the lock down and everything and B:  it doesn't do anything more than what my phone does
May 16 22:30:03 <SineOt> I've got a Pixi now, so it's the same res… You really don't notice the zooming and scrolling.
May 16 22:30:13 <Guest29605> The keyboard wasn't bad.def better than the pre with those stiff keys that ache finger tips
May 16 22:30:20 <AricwithanA> I'm slowly learning more about develping for webos and god damn i'm loving everything I read
May 16 22:30:28 <AricwithanA> i love css and actionscript
May 16 22:30:41 <AricwithanA> my writing of js isn't good but I can modify existing js to fit my needs
May 16 22:30:48 <AricwithanA> if I can find something close enough
May 16 22:31:12 <AricwithanA> (i wasn't meaning actionscript is using, just the closest thing to the webos creation i've found
May 16 22:31:20 <Guest29605> Is the pixi screen also so small
May 16 22:31:36 <AricwithanA> i wish Icould install this on my droid x
May 16 22:31:37 <AricwithanA> lol
May 16 22:32:46 <SineOt> It's pretty much the same size, yeah
May 16 22:32:55 <SineOt> Same resolution @ 320x400
May 16 22:33:11 <AricwithanA> what is the largest screen phone size running webos?
May 16 22:33:21 <Guest29605> 3.2
May 16 22:33:27 <AricwithanA> damn
May 16 22:33:31 <Guest29605> Or 3.1
May 16 22:33:32 <SineOt> Largest will be the Pre3 at 3.7 inches @ 480x800 I think?
May 16 22:33:46 <AricwithanA> a high dpi then
May 16 22:33:51 <AricwithanA> ok
May 16 22:34:11 <AricwithanA> i still have two years before I can go to a new phone unless verizon has some of these things
May 16 22:34:32 <AricwithanA> I didn't even consider any of them when buying because my old phone broke unexpectedly
May 16 22:34:40 <AricwithanA> and I had to replace it asap
May 16 22:37:00 <AricwithanA> does webos recognize svg files?
May 16 22:37:47 <SineOt> not at the moment no
May 16 22:37:52 <AricwithanA> ok
May 16 22:50:44 <AricwithanA> ok, sorry to be a bother, a lot of the basic stuff is just creating a gui and calling the info?
May 16 22:50:54 <AricwithanA> say like I write a dialer into the LCARS App?
May 16 22:52:20 <AricwithanA> brb
May 16 22:54:39 <AricwithanA> sorry had to reboot to windows
May 16 23:17:08 <ajay> Howdy folks..
May 16 23:18:27 <dohtem> A to the J!
May 16 23:19:06 <ajay> my pre2s arent showing up as usb mode or novaterm-able, any thoughts?
May 16 23:20:49 <ajay> doubt 'em?
May 16 23:21:03 <dohtem> reinstall drivers?
May 16 23:21:16 <ajay> under linux and windows
May 16 23:21:46 <PatrickC> ajay: doctor? if possible?
May 16 23:22:19 <dohtem> that's drastic :)
May 16 23:22:28 * ajay 's new mantra for webOS is "doctor is not the only answer"
May 16 23:22:36 <PatrickC> but it could work...
May 16 23:22:44 <ajay> PatrickC: so could throwing it against the wall
May 16 23:22:51 <PatrickC> haha
May 16 23:22:59 * PatrickC has wanted to do that before
May 16 23:23:01 <PatrickC> many times
May 16 23:23:03 * ajay is not laughing
May 16 23:23:16 <SineOt> just reboot the computer, reboo t the devices
May 16 23:23:21 <ajay> done
May 16 23:23:51 <ajay> my pre+ works fine, just neither pre2
May 16 23:23:57 <ajay> but they were working fine
May 16 23:23:59 <PatrickC> will it detect it in recovery mode?
May 16 23:24:42 <SineOt> align the USB ports to magnetic north and orient them slightly so that the right side is sitting higher then the other and open the window to let the magic smoke back into your devices?
May 16 23:25:48 * ajay thinks that 3 prompts to turnoff isn't enough.. why would i ever want to turn off my device
May 16 23:26:31 <PatrickC> lol
May 16 23:26:46 <PatrickC> I have patches to bypass the second and third
May 16 23:27:30 <ajay> SineOt: okay it's working now
May 16 23:28:18 <PatrickC> what did you do?
May 16 23:28:28 <ajay> PatrickC: actually just tried from recovery mode, let me try booting again
May 16 23:29:02 <ajay> PatrickC: i was trying to joke that sineot's suggestion worked (rather than yours :)
May 16 23:29:10 <PatrickC> ok.. hold the pwr button to get out of recovery mode
May 16 23:29:24 <PatrickC> ah lol
May 16 23:29:39 <ajay> so luna's booting but can't novaterm in
May 16 23:29:42 <oil> hey Adora... :)
May 16 23:29:43 <ajay> booted
May 16 23:30:11 <ajay> PatrickC: okay, so does it mean something that novaterm from recovery works, but not afterwards?
May 16 23:30:22 <PatrickC> hmm... not sure
May 16 23:30:38 <PatrickC> I've membooted a lot from novaterm to fix things
May 16 23:32:28 * ajay missed adora at the veer release party
May 16 23:34:10 <keith> there was a veer release party?
May 16 23:34:14 <keith> i didnt see any announcement
May 16 23:34:48 <dohtem> ajay: and you are sure pdk tools is installed?
May 16 23:43:59 <Adora> yes oil,  my love, my hero...?
May 16 23:44:15 <oil> figured you would know what i was going to ask about :)
May 16 23:44:19 * Adora gets ready to make a run for it
May 16 23:44:28 <oil> lol
May 16 23:45:50 <ajay> dohtem: ? i don't need any tools for my phone to be able to go into usb mode
May 16 23:46:16 * ajay is creeped out, as soon as he mentioned the release party, he got "Veer. It's here." ove remail.
May 16 23:46:36 <dohtem> you said you couldn't novatem in
May 16 23:46:36 <ajay> keith: are you subscribed to the P|C thread about Bay Area meets?
May 16 23:46:42 <ajay> dohtem: i can't do nothing
May 16 23:47:00 <ajay> dohtem: with my pre2s.  But my pre+ works fine for everything
May 16 23:47:59 <Loudergood> ajay: driver?
May 16 23:48:01 <ajay> same computer. Windows and Linux.
May 16 23:48:14 <ajay> Loudergood: so what driver does the pre2 need to go into the usb mode?
May 16 23:48:44 <Loudergood> oh... gg me for not reading back
May 16 23:49:28 <ajay> keith: i thought i tweeted about it, and svpug's acct did too, sorry bro!
May 16 23:53:59 <keith> whats svpug?
May 16 23:54:08 <keith> ajay: nope, i guess not.
May 16 23:57:50 <oil> Adora: so i should assume "in the coming months?"
May 16 23:59:48 <PatrickC> probably.. or "in the coming years"
May 17 00:03:47 <ajay> keith: there's a thread on precentral http://forums.precentral.net/webos-events/280998-bay-area-monthly-meetup.html and there's a twitter acct getting started, twitter.com/svpug
May 17 00:04:12 <ajay> keith: since meetup is screwed up, we're looking to just start a user group outside of meetup
May 17 00:04:33 <keith> i use meetup
May 17 00:04:36 <keith> works really well
May 17 00:04:40 <keith> how is it screwed up?
May 17 00:04:50 <ajay> keith: there's 2 palm/webOS meetup groups which are counterfeit
May 17 00:04:58 <keith> ahh
May 17 00:05:01 <ajay> and meetup won't do anything about that
May 17 00:05:13 <keith> meetup is expensive anyways
May 17 00:06:16 <ajay> keith: that's part of it..
May 17 00:06:34 <ajay> (being screwed up i mean).. you have to pay, and they are useless
May 17 00:06:57 <ajay> keith: well, one wasn't counterfeit, but is now..
May 17 00:08:34 * PatrickC is watching "Mall Cops: Mall Of America"
May 17 00:11:12 <bemjb> speaking of webos meetup groups, this one's legit: http://www.meetup.com/SF-webOS/
May 17 00:11:14 <keith> ajay: thats disappointing
May 17 00:12:34 <ajay> bemjb: yeah that's brand-new, it's linked to in the thread i posted above.  i thought we were all agreed not to have 3 meetup groups, but clearly, some didn't get the memo
May 17 00:12:44 <bemjb> ah
May 17 00:13:11 <bemjb> meetup charges you to have a group?
May 17 00:13:13 <keith> id say just use the meetup group
May 17 00:13:15 <keith> yup.
May 17 00:13:16 <ajay> keith: yeah.. maybe we should all go to their hq, they must be local huh? :)
May 17 00:13:22 <keith> ajay: nyc :(
May 17 00:13:29 <dohtem> keith: Independent hip hop, you say?
May 17 00:13:32 <dohtem> :)
May 17 00:13:32 <ajay> aw crap :)
May 17 00:13:34 <keith> http://www.meetup.com/help/Does-it-cost-money-to-start-a-Meetup-Group
May 17 00:13:41 <keith> dohtem: i do :D
May 17 00:13:51 <keith> bemjb: if you sign up, and ignore it
May 17 00:13:59 * dohtem sends keith his block rocking beats
May 17 00:14:00 <keith> they'll email you and be like 'hey GREAT DEAL'
May 17 00:14:20 <keith> and it'll be super discounted, but after, its charge
May 17 00:14:30 <keith> dohtem: i run http://meetup.com/bayhiphop if thats any indication :)
May 17 00:15:10 <dohtem> you know Blackalicious are actually from here in Sacto
May 17 00:15:21 * dohtem loves the Blazing Arrows cd
May 17 00:15:45 <keith> well, davis is where they all metup and formed soulsides
May 17 00:15:51 <keith> before dj shadow days :)
May 17 00:16:06 <keith> BA was a good one
May 17 00:16:30 <dohtem> backyard bbq + Feel That Way = win
May 17 00:16:44 <keith> dohtem: here i'll give you an ampache acct
May 17 00:16:57 <dohtem> ?
May 17 00:16:59 <keith> dohtem: http://last.fm/user/keithah
May 17 00:17:27 <dohtem> work computer.  last.fm is blocked :(
May 17 00:17:33 <keith> aw
May 17 00:17:37 <bemjb> keith: I think I'm gonna have to join your meetup group. :-)
May 17 00:17:54 <keith> bemjb: sweet! are you in the bay area?
May 17 00:18:29 <dohtem> keith: you ever attend the shows put on by Ankh Marketing?
May 17 00:18:44 <bemjb> keith: yeah... have young kids, so haven't been to a show in years, but things are starting to get back to normal... :-)
May 17 00:18:50 <keith> dohtem: a ton
May 17 00:18:54 <dohtem> they have had Goapele a few times here in Sac.
May 17 00:19:10 <dohtem> always sells out before I get in :(
May 17 00:19:10 <keith> nice
May 17 00:19:15 <keith> brb
May 17 00:20:58 <keith> i saw goapele with.. zion i? once
May 17 00:21:06 <keith> really, shows in sac sell out? damn
May 17 00:21:23 <keith> shows dont sell out until last minute here usually
May 17 00:21:24 <ajay> bemjb: were you at the veer party yesterday?
May 17 00:21:48 <bemjb> ajay: I couldn't make it, a friend had a birthday dinner at the same time.
May 17 00:22:11 <keith> bemjb: awesome, yoshis is great if you wanna see oldschool
May 17 00:22:14 <keith> pete rock in a few weeks
May 17 00:22:24 <dohtem> keith: small venues
May 17 00:22:27 <keith> http://vivalahiphop.com/calendar/
May 17 00:22:38 <keith> this is the most up to date calendar
May 17 00:23:19 <bemjb> keith: I've only been to Yoshi's for jazz so far. ;-)
May 17 00:23:34 <dohtem> oooh... CunninLynguists
May 17 00:23:47 <dohtem> APOS still in rotation on my zune
May 17 00:25:09 <ajay> bemjb: nice.. did you find out about it from the P|C thread or twitter or..?
May 17 00:26:59 <keith> dohtem: yea tonedeff is awesome too
May 17 00:29:19 <bemjb> ajay: twitter originally. Met @preNotes and some others at the meetup at 21st amendment when @anotherguy was in town
May 17 00:42:17 <ajay> bemjb: oh nice!  that sounded like a good turnout event!
May 17 00:46:31 <keith> i was supposed to be there (i'm meshuga on the forums)
May 17 00:46:38 <keith> but i had a emergency at work :(
May 17 00:48:19 <ajay> keith: where, at 21st?
May 17 00:50:22 * ajay is emailling this guy in china.. he writes angry support requests, and ends with "Friends!"
May 17 00:50:31 <bemjb> ajay: yeah, the 21st amendment one went really well
May 17 00:51:37 <halfhalo> Lol
May 17 01:40:39 * ajay continues to be boggled at how these phones both forgot that things other than charging happen over usb.. tried 2 comps now! gah
May 17 01:46:25 <ajay> ttfn..
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