**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 02:59:58 2011 May 17 03:42:19 * PatrickC waves hi May 17 03:44:41 good evening May 17 03:45:27 hello May 17 03:45:37 how's it goin all? May 17 03:47:37 Stabby May 17 03:47:55 eating dinner, browsing the app listing in preware, the usual May 17 03:54:10 cool May 17 03:54:17 anyone play with the Veer doctor? May 17 03:54:26 is the veer ArmV6? or v7? May 17 04:02:40 armv7 May 17 04:02:57 that's good.. in a way May 17 04:03:14 its one more than 6 May 17 04:03:32 lol May 17 04:07:57 Maple May 17 04:10:14 ok.. May 17 04:14:21 http://simpletutorials.x10.bz/forum -- the new place to ask about web development questions :) May 17 04:18:52 PatrickC: yep, I've looked at the Veer doctor. May 17 04:19:10 no way to make it work with the pixi? May 17 04:19:45 no May 17 04:19:48 nm.. just answered it for myself.. May 17 04:20:07 I just remembered that the pixi was a v6 and the veer is v7.. May 17 04:20:22 that's the least of the compatibility issues May 17 04:20:42 * rwhitby bbl May 17 04:20:47 cya May 17 04:31:17 Templarian-drunk: haha May 17 04:32:10 This happens reguarly on momdays. May 17 04:32:41 mondays* (it takes so much focus... *pets cat*) May 17 04:33:02 lol May 17 04:33:39 This happens on more than just Monday's.... :p May 17 04:37:47 * PatrickC has never been drunk, and never will be May 17 04:37:49 :) May 17 04:38:08 Good on the first, boo on the second May 17 04:40:06 * halfhalo will be 21 at the next ces...it will be epic May 17 04:40:30 1st time in vegas too? May 17 04:40:35 i highly recommend a vegas trip before hand May 17 04:40:37 Nope May 17 04:40:43 Been there before May 17 04:40:45 ces + vegas + 21st sounds dangerous May 17 04:40:49 hopefully you got self control May 17 04:40:50 Most recently for... Ces May 17 04:40:51 i would not May 17 04:40:54 ahh nice May 17 04:41:00 then onyl 21st is new, thats cool May 17 04:41:14 then you know 21 doesn't matter in vegas May 17 04:41:17 as much as other places May 17 04:41:26 Plan is to actually get a decent hotel this time, not the crap Excalibur like the last time May 17 04:41:27 theyll serve minors shit all the time May 17 04:41:28 or used too May 17 04:41:38 not really any more May 17 04:41:47 I've been actively carded a ton :C May 17 04:41:52 i guess i havent been in 10 years May 17 04:41:53 wow. May 17 04:41:54 Ces=open bars May 17 04:41:58 i feel old. May 17 04:42:32 lol May 17 04:42:50 Actually... E3 is open bars as well May 17 04:42:57 halfhalo: I now have unlimited ftp/bandwidth.. May 17 04:43:13 at a freehost :) May 17 04:43:18 That's not saying much May 17 04:43:37 why not.. free unlimited storage May 17 04:43:43 and a website on top of it May 17 04:43:54 and 3 email accounts May 17 04:44:00 Which will get cut off when you use it to much May 17 04:44:22 nope May 17 04:44:26 its all unlimited May 17 04:44:32 try it, and watch it get cut of May 17 04:44:37 Yup May 17 04:44:39 htp://x10hosting.com May 17 04:44:39 because it's easy to say that it's unlimited May 17 04:44:59 well.. false advertising if it isn't lol May 17 04:45:16 http://x10hosting.com * (to make it a clickable link) May 17 04:45:20 Nope May 17 04:45:39 nope? May 17 04:45:41 to what? May 17 04:45:49 not false advertising May 17 04:45:49 not really, the license you probably agreed to more than likely has a clause saying that it's unlimited within reasonable limits May 17 04:45:59 There will be a clause in the tos that says if you impact other users they have the right to cancel your service May 17 04:46:12 and reasonable limits are relative the the use of the server at any time May 17 04:46:33 I should probably read the tos then lol May 17 04:46:46 yeah generally May 17 04:47:15 * Personal Image\Video Galleries: Personal galleries are limited to 1GB of disk space for images and videos. May 17 04:47:16 * Flash Arcades: Flash arcade sites are limited to 1GB of disk space for the game files. May 17 04:47:28 Resources are defined as bandwidth and/or processor utilization. x10Hosting may implement the following policy to its sole discretion: When a website is found to be monopolizing the resources available x10Hosting, reserves the right to suspend that site immediately. This policy is only implemented in extreme circumstances and is intended to prevent the misuse of our servers. Customers may be offered an option whereby x10Hosting continues hosting the May 17 04:47:28 website for an additional fee. May 17 04:47:34 ^ there's your fine print May 17 04:47:42 balls deep May 17 04:48:12 yup May 17 04:48:20 pretty far cry from unlimited May 17 04:48:48 well.. "only implemented in extreme circumstances" May 17 04:49:05 They can define extreme any way they want May 17 04:49:25 yeah, they have sole discretion May 17 04:49:38 I guess the old saying's true... May 17 04:49:43 the more important is that they actively limit sites that fall under the above to 1GB May 17 04:49:50 "If it sounds to good to be true, then it usually is" May 17 04:50:18 1GB personal image/video and 1GB flash May 17 04:50:31 I use none of those May 17 04:50:46 i pay $50/yr for 200gb storage, 2tb transfer May 17 04:50:58 2tb/mo May 17 04:51:00 There's also the whole fact that they legally can kick you out for no reason as well May 17 04:51:01 pretty good deal. May 17 04:51:02 on a vps May 17 04:51:13 its just better to pay for hosting always May 17 04:51:17 Yup May 17 04:51:26 you never know what could happen to it. May 17 04:51:29 well.. I will.. once I get a job May 17 04:52:18 actually, live up having no responsibility May 17 04:52:21 and not having bills May 17 04:52:22 seriously May 17 04:52:33 this real life shit is overrated. i moved out at 16 May 17 04:52:47 wow May 17 04:52:56 enjoy having no job and freedom while you got it :) May 17 04:53:04 so.. keep the freehost till they kick me off? lol May 17 04:53:10 I want a job :) May 17 04:53:10 yea def May 17 04:53:14 I want money lol May 17 04:53:21 PatrickC: it compiled for device.. May 17 04:53:39 * PatrickC jumps up and down for joy :D May 17 04:53:51 find ways to make money that arent a real job, like designing websites May 17 04:54:01 Or selling kidneys May 17 04:54:08 take templates from oswd.org, change a little and add ppls txts and charge them for it :) May 17 04:54:09 Wait,what? May 17 04:54:12 well.. I have to get better at that (sites) before I can :) May 17 04:54:19 PatrickC: oswd.org May 17 04:54:31 bunch of simple designs to start to learn from May 17 04:54:32 I'll take a look :) May 17 04:54:34 thanls May 17 04:54:37 thanks* May 17 04:54:48 theres 2k free designs May 17 04:54:54 man i remember being 15 and on irc May 17 04:54:58 wow May 17 04:54:59 love the infinite loop redirects that prevent me from accessing the doc pages i need.. way to go hp! May 17 04:55:02 that was good times May 17 04:55:18 i have a quotebot in another channel that has quotes from then too May 17 04:55:32 live it up man, live it up :) you only get to be a teenager once May 17 04:55:36 I'm helping my neighbor over the summer.. so I'll get money that way too :) May 17 04:55:39 you get to spend 40+ years as an adult May 17 04:55:43 haha May 17 04:55:44 at least./ May 17 04:56:05 lol May 17 04:56:05 i hustled my ass off when i was young, did paper routes, worked at mcdonalds May 17 04:56:14 dawm|laptop: when do you think you'll get a beta out? May 17 04:56:23 mcdonalds lol May 17 04:56:34 * PatrickC wouldn't work there unless he *had* to May 17 04:56:39 well i could have an alpha if i could find the doc pages (that dont infinitely redirect) on how to package a pdk app May 17 04:57:07 darn HP May 17 04:57:10 404s and redirect loops are all im getting May 17 04:58:00 if anyone has any tutorials then want to write/contribute, PM/email me :) May 17 04:58:13 patrick@simpletutorials.x10.bz May 17 04:58:40 all languages accepted May 17 04:58:57 Asm! May 17 04:59:22 hey, I know ASM May 17 04:59:27 AppleScript! May 17 04:59:34 Hex! May 17 04:59:55 * PatrickC has never heard of any of these lol May 17 05:00:02 Exactly May 17 05:00:11 I have the JVM tattooed on my ass May 17 05:00:20 What...the... May 17 05:00:31 I'm just kidding, I'm not that bad-ass May 17 05:00:48 halfhalo: if they are languages that are used today, you are welcome to write tutorials for them :) May 17 05:01:31 You know that thing your on? That has asm in it. And if you don't know what hex is then... May 17 05:01:59 my pre has ASM? May 17 05:02:04 * PatrickC needs to look this up May 17 05:02:06 Yes May 17 05:02:09 Assembly May 17 05:02:10 and I'll look up hex too May 17 05:02:35 I know hardware more then software.. so I'm still learning :) May 17 05:02:54 everything with a processor has ASM May 17 05:02:57 Really... Really..... May 17 05:03:45 what? May 17 05:04:31 Asm and hardware go hand in hand... May 17 05:05:07 I can build a computer from parts (given I have all I need) May 17 05:05:12 if you can explain this, you know ASM: http://www.eeherald.com/images/arm7tdmi_Arch.gif May 17 05:05:18 :D May 17 05:05:19 I can barely write an app lol May 17 05:05:37 my dad built/programmed a robot from scratch May 17 05:06:07 I am so glad I do not remember anything from my asm class... Stupid pep8 May 17 05:06:24 building a computer from parts isn't hard May 17 05:06:31 it's quite literally put tab B into slot A May 17 05:06:48 Yup May 17 05:06:50 yeah.. I know May 17 05:07:10 and I have some people I know who don't know where RAM goes May 17 05:07:21 Just download more May 17 05:07:34 lol May 17 05:07:38 Ugh... Stupid ram fell down behind my desk May 17 05:07:54 lol May 17 05:07:56 I have two useless 2GB sticks on my desk because apple sucks May 17 05:08:11 give me one 4GB and one free slot? hell no, it's apple. May 17 05:08:22 had to replace both for 8GB May 17 05:08:29 :) May 17 05:08:52 * PatrickC would kill for 2GB May 17 05:09:00 I have May 17 05:09:05 Wait, what? May 17 05:09:17 2GB for the lappy May 17 05:09:57 Meh, 2gb be nothing May 17 05:10:15 to my laptop, it would be amazing May 17 05:10:27 my desktop on the other hand.. has 4GB.. May 17 05:10:34 * PatrickC would like more. but meh May 17 05:11:09 Meh 4gb be nothing... May 17 05:11:44 you run like 8/16 right? May 17 05:12:19 6 in mini, 8 in lappytop and desktop May 17 05:12:51 do they make 8GB sticks for cheap? May 17 05:13:49 Nah, 4gb is tho May 17 05:14:04 hmm May 17 05:15:04 well.. time for bed May 17 05:15:06 night all May 17 05:20:24 grr.. May 17 05:20:33 cant get palm-package to do its job May 17 05:36:21 HAHA patrick you fail May 17 05:36:49 ugh.. 25fps avg.. May 17 06:01:46 SineOt, sugardave: ailium works on device, avgs 25fps on my pre- May 17 06:01:59 cool' May 17 06:02:02 overclocked? May 17 06:02:10 you need to die May 17 06:03:36 avgs 24fps with default kernel May 17 06:04:45 why? :p May 17 06:04:56 that probably will run way faster on the Pre2 and Pre3 May 17 06:05:04 yah May 17 06:05:26 eats 70-80% cpu tho.. wish i knew why May 17 06:12:36 welp it works and is more playable than the JS version May 17 06:12:51 ill work on the score UI and bonus pieces tomorrow, this is enough progress for me :P May 17 06:14:02 I'll see what it runs on the Pre2 if you want May 17 06:14:31 you gotta use novaterm to launch it to see the fps May 17 06:14:37 ill make one with a dev ui tomorrow May 17 06:14:41 i needs sleep May 17 06:15:08 and ive got a pre2 too May 17 06:15:22 ah May 17 06:15:35 night May 17 10:19:27 is there a good way getting palm devs to look at my Control.Future thread https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13697&start=0 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:44:26 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:44:26 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:45:25 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:45:53 2011 May 17 13:20:20 Well, after the "Veer is fast" thread, I really want to get one of these on to the Telstra network. May 17 13:20:56 Telstra 850 will quickly show how fast it really is. May 17 13:21:44 ok May 17 13:24:40 * Hendikins has hit 22 megabits down with HSPA+ DC, and 3.5 up with various devices. May 17 13:24:52 Over the air in real world conditions. May 17 13:25:07 Veer isn't HSPA+ DC, so it should definitely be the bottleneck. May 17 13:25:25 and what do you use it for? May 17 13:26:37 What, HSPA+ DC? Telstra supplies modems that support it by default. May 17 13:27:46 So mostly synthetic testing, although I do upload photos on the road a lot (so the 3.5 up is handy) May 17 13:28:48 The upstream isn't a DC feature though, which is why I"m curious to see what Veer does. May 17 13:47:55 hi, are there anyone online? May 17 13:48:16 yes May 17 13:50:11 I was stuck at running PDK application can someone help me on it? May 17 13:57:49 my PDK application call several custom build shared libraries , when I run my app I got error that libraries not found, I had to create links under /usr/lib/ that can I run the application succesfully, are there any ways to run application without create link for custom built libraries manually under /usr/lib ? May 17 14:08:33 neelloc May 17 14:08:54 boogersnot May 17 14:08:59 ballsdeep May 17 14:09:10 weirenhui, put them in the same dir as your pdk executable May 17 14:21:34 dawm_: get it working? May 17 14:21:45 yeah right after you left ;p May 17 14:21:56 lol May 17 14:22:01 figured :P May 17 14:22:03 but it has no bonus pieces or score display, and only a warning soun May 17 14:22:05 d May 17 14:22:12 ah May 17 14:22:35 so, it'll be a while before an alpha gets out? May 17 14:23:59 nah, i just need to get some time to add those functions May 17 14:24:02 been so busy lately May 17 14:24:16 ah.. May 17 14:24:18 cool May 17 14:24:29 ^^ about getting the things in :) May 17 14:25:35 remember the game was done in JS, i just have to copy over the functions and fix them for C++ May 17 14:25:40 done as in completed May 17 14:26:16 yeah, and it played well in JS... May 17 14:26:30 why did you decide to make it into C++ May 17 14:26:54 not when sound was added May 17 14:27:05 sound was delayed a good 2-3 secs if it played at all May 17 14:27:15 fps was like 18 May 17 14:27:15 yeah May 17 14:27:24 the PDK version, no sound lag, and 24 avg fps May 17 14:27:25 that warning sound was annoying :P May 17 14:41:47 the touchpad is in the newest B&H catalog May 17 14:42:28 B&H? May 17 14:43:04 Boats & Hoes May 17 14:43:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8T095mFdW8 May 17 14:45:15 lulz May 17 14:45:20 it be raining May 17 14:45:38 its sunny here May 17 14:45:51 it should be sunny here May 17 14:46:01 but I have my car today May 17 14:46:10 which makes things... interesting May 17 14:46:24 i have to take the dog to the vet to get her claws trimmed.. totally putting it off.. dont wanna call them dumbasses May 17 14:46:29 nor do i want my dog in my car May 17 14:46:48 shes' shedding like crAzy May 17 14:47:04 my dog always sheds.... I'm used to it May 17 14:47:22 but lightweight fwd suv ==not good in rain May 17 14:48:02 yeah but my car is MINT and super clean inside May 17 14:48:17 maybe stuff her in the trunks May 17 14:48:58 I was never one who cared about dog hair even in new cars May 17 14:49:05 http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/fully-working-super8-film-projector-built-totally-out-of-lego-w/ May 17 14:49:11 saw that May 17 14:49:12 dawm_: Why don't you buy one of those paw files?... lemme look for the link May 17 14:49:46 why is it that random on my cd player always ends with journey in my school parking lot May 17 14:50:23 not that that is a bad thing May 17 14:50:54 oh, oh, oh! fortunate son! May 17 14:51:44 take that hippies with their rap music! May 17 14:52:23 http://sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2535140#post2535140 May 17 14:52:29 IFON4 May 17 14:53:21 :/ May 17 14:53:42 I want to see a Pre3 May 17 14:54:33 I want 2.1.2 on my Pre+! May 17 14:54:56 Pre3 and Veer in .au, kthx. May 17 14:55:00 dawm_: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pedipaws-electronic-pet-manicure-nail-safe-trimmer-for-cats-and-dogs-19802 May 17 14:55:13 Actually, that makes me wonder. May 17 14:55:32 yeah i know about those May 17 14:55:43 If they ever opened up paid app access to Australia, would my existing handsets suddenly get access? May 17 14:55:46 but my dog doesnt like me doing anything but petting her ;p May 17 14:55:54 id rather let soemoen else deal with the hassle May 17 14:56:08 plus i need more heartgard May 17 14:57:27 my dog just runs aroun on concrete all day May 17 14:58:02 lol May 17 14:58:54 a friend of mine has one of those nail trimmer things for his dog May 17 14:58:57 he be cwazy May 17 14:59:04 it runs every time it hears it spinning May 17 15:00:13 hah May 17 15:00:28 hahaha May 17 15:00:52 woa... mah live wallpaper on the epic be raining May 17 15:01:51 my dog is better, every time I tell him "let's take a shower", he runs, and if I manage to get near him, he gets angry and tries to bite me :D May 17 15:01:58 and there's a pond that moves on screen. dammit, this is the type of crap webos needs May 17 15:02:23 halfhalo: yep, something to drain the battery even faster :'( May 17 15:03:05 I have already accepted the fact that I will never get a full day of battery with any device at my house May 17 15:03:26 "this is the type of crap webos needs"? May 17 15:03:42 att should be better in the battery life dept tho May 17 15:03:43 * oil doesnt agree May 17 15:03:59 * halfhalo likes shiny stuff and widgets May 17 15:04:02 I feel no need for battery wasting non-usability improving wiggly crap May 17 15:04:10 * oil never sees his wallpaper anyways, app cards are always covering it May 17 15:04:50 actually, what I really want is the ability to pin notifications t the wallpaper. that would be awesome May 17 15:05:10 just uh leave them in the dashboard? May 17 15:05:36 * oil goes to work :) May 17 15:06:03 meh, for stuff like pandora it would be nicer to have em on the wallpaper as well, esp on larger devices May 17 15:07:02 the pre is compatible with all the iphone/bb mic headphones? May 17 15:07:33 should be... my headphones work anywho May 17 15:07:44 fancier ones may not fully work May 17 15:09:08 cause the ones that came with it are nice... if I sit very still and don't move May 17 15:09:53 can't stand those types of headphones... they make my ears hurt May 17 15:10:11 they fall out of my ears if I twitch slightly May 17 15:10:36 I've never found headphones that I actually like though *sigh* May 17 15:10:47 I heart my shures May 17 15:11:24 and the one tim I sent em in to be fixed was easy May 17 15:12:10 they called up and confirmed what was wrong with em and then said they were just gonna ship a new pair out May 17 15:12:28 Anyone here already got his Veer? May 17 15:12:42 * halfhalo hasnt May 17 15:12:48 * halfhalo may soon tho May 17 15:13:33 I'm gonna go play with one later today May 17 15:13:55 mmm... soon is not soon enough... I need the partition structure :) May 17 15:14:09 I don't wanna poke into the doctor to find them out :) May 17 15:20:17 I'm likely to wait until there is an unlocked UMTS 850 variant in some manner. May 17 15:23:20 dawm_ ping May 17 15:30:15 RagingMind: what's your budget for the headphones? May 17 15:31:57 RagingMind, have you considered getting one of those Mic adaptors that you can then plug standard headphones into May 17 15:32:18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003CF9UQU/ref=mp_s_a_4?qid=1305646149&sr=8-4 May 17 15:32:24 those are really good May 17 15:33:12 and this one is a little cheaper, but still just as good: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001939H4C/ref=mp_s_a_4?qid=1305646198&sr=8-4 May 17 15:33:49 RichT23, yes, but quickly dismissed it May 17 15:34:25 ragingmind: I have used jlab's for the past year or so, and their customer service department is amazing May 17 15:34:30 PatrickC, those both fail May 17 15:34:41 why? May 17 15:34:45 just the wrong type of headphone May 17 15:35:06 oh.. you don't want in-ear noise-isolating/canceling? May 17 15:35:22 I don't want in-ear May 17 15:35:28 the other things could be nice May 17 15:35:41 those are expensive lol May 17 15:35:52 for over-the-head noise-isolating/canceling May 17 15:36:06 I do not want over the head either May 17 15:36:24 what do you want then? May 17 15:36:27 haven't you notices... I'm picky ;) May 17 15:36:40 *noticed May 17 15:36:42 they don't make any others that are noise-canceling haha May 17 15:36:46 and yeah lol May 17 15:37:00 I said that would be nice, never said it was a requirement May 17 15:37:06 ah May 17 15:37:12 what kind do you want lol May 17 15:37:47 not sure... May 17 15:37:58 haha May 17 15:38:02 I hate over/behind the head bands, makes them too bulky May 17 15:38:17 then how do you know those ones I linked to aren't good? :) May 17 15:38:22 I like how portable in-ear ones are, but I've never met one that didn't fall out May 17 15:38:25 s/good/what you want/ May 17 15:38:30 those dont May 17 15:38:32 and if they do May 17 15:38:39 they are in-ear... I've tried that May 17 15:38:44 1 second. lemme grab a link May 17 15:38:56 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004TDQW3I/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1305646559&sr=8-1 May 17 15:38:59 I've tried ones that came with various sized ear pieces... didn't help May 17 15:39:03 made by the company for those May 17 15:39:13 have you tried that? :) May 17 15:39:22 that looks closer... and haven't tried that type yet May 17 15:39:32 that's not a type May 17 15:39:41 mostly because all the ones I see in the store are huge and hideous May 17 15:39:50 hold on.. lemme send you a pic May 17 15:40:17 *type* of headphone that has a little over the ear hook May 17 15:41:03 hang on, and you'll see what I'm saying :) May 17 15:41:23 this is IRC, I can already see what you're saying May 17 15:41:34 :-P May 17 15:41:42 haha May 17 15:42:43 the pic I'm about to post a link to are the older versions of those headphones with the over-the-ear *attachment* May 17 15:43:23 http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/PRE_2011-05-17-103516.jpg May 17 15:43:55 it attaches to the cord and not the headphone? May 17 15:44:00 yes May 17 15:44:09 ew May 17 15:44:14 so you have the ear hook when you want it May 17 15:44:21 and don't have it when you don't want it May 17 15:45:04 so.. I'm guessing you don't like those then lol May 17 15:45:12 nope :) May 17 15:46:41 here ya go: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000092YR6/ref=mp_s_a_2?qid=1305647012&sr=8-2 :) May 17 15:48:06 or http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002M38I2U/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1305647093&sr=8-1 :P May 17 15:49:30 heh May 17 15:50:42 PatrickC, you're also completely missing the "mic" part ;) May 17 15:51:47 anyone had the approval for a Web Distribution app take longer then say 24hrs? May 17 15:56:14 RagingMind: heh May 17 15:56:19 your picky :P May 17 15:56:36 Yup :) May 17 15:57:36 you should try the JLabs May 17 15:57:42 they are amazing imo May 17 15:58:08 you can get the J3M's with the over-the-ear hook for like $25-30 iirc May 17 16:07:04 * halfhalo hearts his shures... May 17 16:07:11 they be amazingness May 17 16:08:01 price? $ $$ $$$ May 17 16:08:11 400ish May 17 16:08:28 dang May 17 16:09:14 mine t about 60ish May 17 16:09:49 bah May 17 16:10:11 they work.... good May 17 16:10:13 I like them May 17 16:10:14 there are 60 dollar shures May 17 16:10:23 they aren't sutes May 17 16:10:29 shures* May 17 16:10:49 http://www.google.com/m/url?channel=iss&client=ms-palm-webOS&ei=VZ3STZCDGYjEtgey9pjnAw&q=http://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Earphones-Microphone-iPhone-Compatible/dp/B002RWJDB6&ved=0CA8QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFhB1u6dO99RfdmIrEclvMiu91jdw May 17 16:17:54 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003NSBKT6/ref=mp_s_a_3?qid=1305648819&sr=8-3 May 17 16:17:56 mine May 17 16:18:42 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=palm+pre+headphones&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=hUi&channel=fs&prmd=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1217596640452758164&sa=X&ei=IZ_STfiqOdGbtweUzri5Cg&ved=0CHoQ8wIwAQ&biw=1022&bih=639# (mine) May 17 16:19:15 haha May 17 16:19:20 :D May 17 16:19:24 halfhalo: wanna get me a pair? :) May 17 16:21:13 ah saved up for those... mineminemine May 17 16:24:05 that'll take a while to getw May 17 16:24:10 wHy are those better May 17 16:24:23 is there a good way getting palm devs to look at my Control.Future thread https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13697&start=0 ? May 17 16:24:53 higher quality components plus three drivers May 17 16:25:58 I think mine has 2 May 17 16:27:03 you still need stuff down the line to be of a high enough quality to make a difference May 17 16:28:02 yeah May 17 16:28:11 I'll buy better ones later May 17 16:28:17 for now, these are fine May 17 16:28:18 maybe that jlab hook thingy isn't so bad... *sigh* May 17 16:29:14 $30 for headphones and the hook May 17 16:29:19 headphones: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002RWJDB6/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1305649567&sr=8-1 May 17 16:29:37 hook: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004TDQW3I/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1305646559&sr=8-1 May 17 16:30:08 I yelled at my brother when he broke the nice for the price 60 dollar pair I got him in like three weeks and replaced em with 20 dollar off the self ones May 17 16:32:11 stbuehler: post in the dev forums perhaps? May 17 16:33:45 NuttyBunny: reading the forum descriptions i think i chose the correct one May 17 16:34:03 halfhalo: lol May 17 16:34:04 * halfhalo is picky with audio May 17 16:34:24 and mobile screens May 17 16:35:22 halfhalo == Mr. amoled May 17 16:39:05 yupyup May 17 16:40:18 because it be awesome May 17 16:48:10 food time nao methinks May 17 16:48:33 halfhalo: what time is it over there? May 17 16:48:40 9:45 May 17 16:48:56 buutt... need food May 17 16:49:01 ah, PST May 17 16:49:56 oops... /var/log/mesages is filled with audio problems May 17 16:50:46 wrong channel :) May 17 16:58:27 morning folks May 17 17:03:38 morning LoneStar99 May 17 17:03:54 morning Lonestar99 and hotdp May 17 17:03:54 howdy hotdp May 17 17:05:58 ugh May 17 17:06:13 one of my friends has been texting me today, they apparently know where ive been and everything May 17 17:06:20 i dont have the number saved so i have no idea who it is.. May 17 17:06:21 fuckrs May 17 17:06:41 'nice right turn onto wayne rd..' May 17 17:06:47 wth May 17 17:07:00 get my PM? May 17 17:07:10 yeah you suck, k thanks May 17 17:07:18 nah i dont need anything right now May 17 17:07:25 ok lol May 17 17:07:34 I'll tell you later then May 17 17:18:01 gonna go down to ATT and check out the veer in few hours May 17 17:19:27 wanna get me one? :) May 17 17:21:11 PatrickC: lol, lets see if I can get one myself =) May 17 17:21:45 ok May 17 17:22:00 let me know when you get mine, so I can tell you where to send it ;) May 17 17:25:33 PatrickC: ok will do LOL May 17 17:26:39 I WANT MY DEV TOUCHPAD May 17 17:29:45 me too :-) May 17 17:30:10 * PatrickC wants his dev Pre3!! May 17 17:30:26 hopefully they'll bring a few to the webOS Connect event May 17 17:31:04 NuttyBunny: have there been any rumor of dev touchpad? i wonna dev but not before i have something to test on May 17 17:31:39 ...of course with the USB cable dangling out and in developer mode ;-) May 17 17:31:59 hotdp, there's an article on P|C, a few minutes old I guess May 17 17:33:45 http://twitpic.com/4yg6hs May 17 17:35:09 phoque i have a look then May 17 17:36:35 LoneStar99, that Image makes me wonder if it's really the most efficient way to go straight up May 17 17:36:37 BAH May 17 17:36:38 :-D May 17 17:36:53 no info on where to sign up! May 17 17:37:28 nope, you had to sign up a long time before :) May 17 17:37:34 they're shipping them now :P May 17 17:37:43 have you? May 17 17:38:26 I'm on the dev device program, but didn't ask for one yet May 17 17:39:31 hah, lol May 17 17:39:34 NuttyBunny: WHAT May 17 17:39:56 the emulator shows scrollbars on my netbook May 17 17:40:09 It's definitely time for a new notebook :-/ May 17 17:40:12 phoque: lol i actually was thinking the same May 17 17:40:15 thing May 17 17:40:50 :-D May 17 17:41:26 OMG, and the harddrive started squeaking a second after I threatened it with a new notebook May 17 17:42:15 hahaha May 17 17:42:41 * PatrickC signed up for the touchpad program May 17 17:42:49 well.. "future device" program May 17 17:48:48 WHAT WHERE May 17 17:48:52 PatrickC: TELL ME WHERE May 17 17:49:00 on the HP site May 17 17:49:01 IM TYPING IN ALL CAPS SO YOU KNOW HOW SERIOUS I AM May 17 17:49:06 I forget where May 17 17:49:07 ALSO CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL May 17 17:49:14 lemme look haha May 17 17:50:18 http://www.hp.com/sbso/busproducts-tablet-notify.html May 17 17:50:24 ^^ for all to see :) May 17 17:51:12 PatrickC, isn't that for regular customers? May 17 17:51:16 ITS ALL MINE May 17 17:51:26 phoque: small buisness May 17 17:51:29 btw, all HP homepages look awful May 17 17:52:01 * hotdp just wonna buy one with dev discount.. May 17 17:52:12 alright kinda early for lunch but starving brb in 30 minutes May 17 17:56:24 mmmm... cooooke May 17 17:58:38 heh, the doctor did work on the Plus, why didn't it on the pixi? :D May 17 17:59:04 I look on Google for an HP IRC channel and I found this one, but May 17 17:59:15 I think it's not the right one for me May 17 17:59:29 Could someone please point me in the right direction? May 17 17:59:51 I need help with my HP computer. May 17 18:00:09 what's wrong with it? May 17 18:00:22 The BIOS is corrupted May 17 18:00:33 how do you know? May 17 18:00:51 do you just get a blank black screen and nothing else? May 17 18:01:21 I get to the main screen where it just loads and says press del for boot menu f10 for bla bla bla May 17 18:01:35 that is good :) May 17 18:01:35 But if I let it load it shows a blinking - forever May 17 18:01:42 And if I press anything else May 17 18:01:57 It goes where it's supposed to go but freezes May 17 18:02:00 do you know how to disassemble that thing? May 17 18:02:09 yes May 17 18:02:13 you need to disconnect all optical drives first May 17 18:02:34 to see if the problem still is there May 17 18:02:49 if not, plug it on piece by piece and see which component causes the "freeze" May 17 18:02:50 done May 17 18:03:28 I'm pretty sure it's the bios May 17 18:03:37 since it happened after I flashed it May 17 18:03:53 ah I see May 17 18:03:56 I disconected the drives and the same thing happened May 17 18:04:00 ok May 17 18:04:23 normally if you put the wrong bios on the chip it doesn't do anything upon boot May 17 18:04:28 simply a black screen with just nothing :P May 17 18:04:45 that it displays something is more or less a good sign as it needs a lot to display something for the bios May 17 18:05:33 how long have you waited after the freeze? May 17 18:05:45 I waited for 30 minutes May 17 18:05:47 ok May 17 18:05:51 and when I'm in the setup screen May 17 18:06:06 why did you do a bios flash? have you upgraded something? May 17 18:06:07 It "works" as it show the clock runing but won't let me move anything May 17 18:06:12 have you done a full cmos reset? May 17 18:06:28 I took the battery out and also changed the jumpers May 17 18:07:10 I tried modifying the BIOS that came installed May 17 18:07:30 what model laptop May 17 18:08:00 It's a desktop a6614f May 17 18:08:17 booo desktop May 17 18:08:22 good boy :) May 17 18:08:36 well, I guess you screwed it then May 17 18:08:49 :\ May 17 18:08:50 if you go desktop, you build your own unless its one of those minimini ones May 17 18:09:01 meeh, not helping him :P May 17 18:09:03 and desktops usually don't have usb bios capabilities May 17 18:09:06 It was black friday, cheaper to buy it :P May 17 18:10:02 halfhalo: whatdya mean May 17 18:10:03 Is there a way to force it to boot from USB? I have a usb with bootable win 98 and awdflash and a stock bios May 17 18:10:06 ability to boot from usb? May 17 18:10:14 all dell desktops have it May 17 18:10:20 cwayne: nope May 17 18:10:25 halfhalo: yep. May 17 18:10:30 at least optiplex's do May 17 18:10:30 usb bios, cwayne May 17 18:10:37 there may be an emergency flash May 17 18:10:38 some laptops have the ability to flash bios via usb May 17 18:10:51 NOT the same as usb boot May 17 18:10:52 dell desktops do. at leas optiplex's. May 17 18:10:58 well depending on how you do it May 17 18:11:05 the hp workstations I worked with 2 years ago could be flashed via cdrom :P May 17 18:11:07 get a freedos usb stick and a dos bios rom May 17 18:11:23 how the hell does that fix a messed up bios May 17 18:11:29 cus it flashes a new one May 17 18:11:31 joelixny, probably try contacting hp; they are competent (at least here in germany) May 17 18:11:33 you know, since you can't boot it May 17 18:11:59 oh a completely fubar'ed bios? May 17 18:12:30 whoops, wifi hiccups May 17 18:12:58 yes, usb boot won't help in this case May 17 18:13:06 and pretty much EVERYHTING can boot from usb May 17 18:13:29 like my tv May 17 18:13:39 So what can I do? May 17 18:13:53 more importantly, my dvr now has youtube. why? I have no idea. but it does May 17 18:13:53 Hot flashing the only option? May 17 18:14:24 contact hp support May 17 18:14:37 they know all the tricks :P May 17 18:14:41 My warranty expired May 17 18:14:48 oh, duh May 17 18:14:54 forum.notebookreview.com May 17 18:15:04 joelixny1, no problem May 17 18:15:06 post there May 17 18:15:33 it's not ibm where you have to pay 200 eur per hour phone support after warranty May 17 18:15:47 So I can call for free? May 17 18:15:53 Don't mojo apps work with webos 3? May 17 18:16:00 It would be an internation call May 17 18:16:07 yes May 17 18:17:06 no, that's the catch, joelixny1 May 17 18:17:12 that's how they pay their support :P May 17 18:17:37 How would I call then? May 17 18:18:13 I have a voip line, can I call from that? May 17 18:18:14 here in germany I just call a 0180x number which costs me money (15 cents per minute or so) and that's it May 17 18:19:49 I remember when the chat support worked even if your warranty was expired. It was the reason I chose HP over other brands May 17 18:21:07 they don't let you alone :P May 17 18:38:03 Seams like I can't call HP May 17 18:55:00 http://canv.as/ugc/processed/0a04e865c12015806bdc1fad6fe8f75b9ee2ec85.png May 17 18:56:20 wow, app development w/o source control. May 17 18:56:58 might as well use MS Word as your text editor while your at it. May 17 18:57:25 mebe May 17 19:05:43 ryanwatkins, you mean the guys on the forum? May 17 19:05:48 ya May 17 19:06:24 well, you have to get used to it first May 17 19:06:37 it seems like additional work if you've never used it May 17 19:07:00 evenin May 17 19:07:01 evening May 17 19:07:05 ping hotdp May 17 19:07:08 sure. so does learning to send email, rather than write a letter, but my god ... May 17 19:07:15 :-) May 17 19:07:46 nowadays I start off with "git init" even if I have no idea what to code May 17 19:07:47 just to make sure May 17 19:07:49 :-P May 17 19:08:28 I've gotten an afternoon into coding before starting a repo, or have some random shell scripts, but writing an app. Source control is development 101. May 17 19:09:02 haha no it's not...but it damned well should be May 17 19:09:22 dropbox is my source control! May 17 19:09:31 dohtem, Dropbox is not source control :-) May 17 19:09:33 I managed to get my computer to "boot" from the USB by disconecting the CD/DVD and the HDD, but it got stuck while loading win98 May 17 19:09:37 ha May 17 19:09:48 dropbox is a place to keep your git repo, not your git repo. May 17 19:10:15 joelixny, what?! May 17 19:10:26 you're a troll, right? May 17 19:10:37 I broke my BIOS May 17 19:10:39 It didn't want to do anything May 17 19:10:48 yes... but Windows 98? May 17 19:10:48 no, why? May 17 19:10:58 I want to try to flash the BIOS May 17 19:11:17 windows 98 is the new DOS - for BIOS updates. May 17 19:11:30 awesome May 17 19:11:38 I read somewhere I could do it with win98 awdflash and the bios May 17 19:12:13 I tried it with my working laptop and It went into the cli imidiately. May 17 19:12:40 In the broken one It went to the booting screen and got stuck. May 17 19:42:25 wtf. the guys that own the API of mite. gehave like they would pay us for developing our app May 17 19:42:54 we shall change apptitle, appdescription, our homepage and some things in the app (logo) May 17 19:58:48 i'll just ask again :D is there a good way getting palm devs to look at my Control.Future thread https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13697&start=0 ? May 17 20:58:48 * halfhalo yawns May 17 21:04:05 http://www.conceivablytech.com/7456/business/webos-it-is-do-or-die-time -- webOS: It Is Do Or Die Time May 17 21:06:46 Well, that's basically true May 17 21:06:57 now i have do or die stuck in my head. May 17 21:24:32 OIL! May 17 21:24:34 OIL OIL OIL! May 17 21:24:41 Blame him! May 17 21:25:38 OIL HURRY UP AND SUBMIT WIRC BEFORE I BLAME YOU!! May 17 21:25:42 =D May 17 21:26:58 OH GOD ITS THE END OF THE WORLD! May 17 21:29:40 wait, thats on friday, nevermind May 17 21:30:45 sweet that's when my MSF course starts May 17 21:33:38 halfhalo, friday already? mmm... ok, I'll program the 2.1 pixi release on saturday :D May 17 21:35:43 yay virtualbox updates... May 17 21:36:37 Adora: just the moment you needed Oil, he won't answer.. :) May 17 21:36:46 let's all blame oil this time! :D May 17 21:37:19 mmm... I'm hearing an herpes conversation here at the office... not nice :S May 17 21:39:44 lol May 17 22:00:20 NuttyBunny: herpes ... where u at the john? May 17 22:07:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HrQbjPjbBA -- More cats! May 17 22:30:39 * haeffb wishes I'd written an awesome app so HP would have given me a Touchpad to test it on... May 17 22:31:00 inorit May 17 22:31:16 Do they have to return those Touchpads? May 17 22:34:38 define have it May 17 22:34:43 legally or morally? :P May 17 22:34:48 er have to^ May 17 22:35:24 so, the author of a couple of task management books wants to showcase Done! in a newsletter. Kinda cool. May 17 22:35:24 Waiting for TP & Pre3. May 17 22:35:41 Arturas: aren't we all? May 17 22:35:49 ;) May 17 22:36:20 Thought I'd introduce myself as a webos faithful. May 17 22:36:48 hi webos faithful. May 17 22:37:14 haeffb: sweet May 17 22:37:44 Lol May 17 22:37:50 Hello keith May 17 22:38:33 Arturas: anyone currently identified as a "wircer" is automatically included in the "webos faithful" club. May 17 22:38:42 so, welcome aboard May 17 22:38:50 :) May 17 22:40:14 keith: I guess if "the dog ate it", they wouldn't May 17 22:40:15 Didn't occur to me the client Ident is out there. Forgot that nugget. Pre- user on sprint. May 17 22:44:32 my att store doesn't even have the veer on display :( May 17 22:45:45 mine either. I went in and the guy cou;dn't shut up about the Infuse May 17 22:45:53 couldn't* May 17 22:46:41 I looked at the Infuse... was not impressed May 17 22:46:58 That was my impression May 17 22:49:19 dohtem: bigger comission on android devices i bet May 17 22:49:51 nah, it's probably just a hell of a lot easier to push something people would already be coming in to get and get a sale May 17 22:49:57 "I want one of those droid phones" etc May 17 22:51:42 He was pretty knowledgable about the Veer & webOS tho. We spoke for a while, he was also big Apple fan waiting for WWDC announcements. First time I met someone in a phone store that really knew the market May 17 22:52:27 usually it's "get this, it has more apps" May 17 22:53:02 Yeah I'm way interested in WWDC. They either announce a new iPhone and piss off their entire Verizon user base, or… Don't. At which point it's a question of what else they could announce. May 17 22:53:09 I guess they could focus on iOS and 10.7 May 17 22:53:45 their iTunes-in-the-cloud service May 17 22:53:53 according to the rumors May 17 22:54:00 Oh yeah, huh May 17 22:54:20 I think it'll be iOS 5 and 10.7 stuff mostly, doubt there will be any new hardware May 17 22:57:16 Also: TouchPad in the second week of June, calling it now :o May 17 22:57:36 thats 4 weeks out May 17 22:57:41 seems too soon May 17 22:58:05 we'll see! May 17 22:58:17 ;) May 17 22:58:55 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/05/hp-veer-spreading-the-word-2 <- well this answers some questions May 17 22:59:05 you'll open the box of a TP and the first thing it will do is update the apps. they've gotta still be writing plenty of app code. May 17 23:00:07 Veer is "available at select AT&T stores now, rolling out to more stores soon" May 17 23:00:37 sounds like May 22nd is going to be the date to expect it in most stores by, since that's when Best Buy will pick it up in store May 17 23:09:14 hey folks.. so thought i'd see if there were any wizards that can help me figure out why me pre2s don't seem to understand usb is for more than charging anymore May 17 23:09:19 ryanwatkins: that's my guess too May 17 23:10:17 (for followup for those who weren't here yesterday when i mentioned this, linux/windoze, different computers, 2 pres, but both my pre+'s work fine) May 17 23:12:55 Damn Nokia changing the rules after the game has already begun... May 17 23:16:00 DocLee: Hm? May 17 23:16:10 They have a contest going. May 17 23:16:21 At first they said it was for developing on the Nokia N8 May 17 23:16:28 Now, it's for the Nokia C7 Astound May 17 23:17:05 haha May 17 23:17:43 aka Windows Phone 8 May 17 23:17:52 No May 17 23:17:55 haha May 17 23:18:27 aka...the only US carrier subsidized smart phone they have May 17 23:18:37 Well, gee-wonder why they changed it. :p May 17 23:19:40 well maybe after Microsoft buys them and Sprint you'll have a few more Nokia phones to choose from. May 17 23:19:51 wait windows phone 8? when did that happen? May 17 23:19:59 ajay: hasnt May 17 23:20:03 a joke. May 17 23:20:13 oh oops :) May 17 23:20:19 There are already plenty to choose from May 17 23:20:38 ya, if I wanna browse wml sites. :) May 17 23:21:47 There's plenty to choose from but they've basically tanked in every meaningful market May 17 23:21:56 I think you underestimate the power of these phones... May 17 23:22:01 woa, in blood flow generators, that's crazy.. May 17 23:22:26 i just see the smart phone adoption curve and what percentage of those Nokia has. May 17 23:22:31 writing is on the wall. May 17 23:22:38 Is that why even Nokia referred to Symbian as a burning boat and dropped it in favor of WP7? :p May 17 23:22:51 They didn't drop it May 17 23:23:10 sure they can sell non-smart phones in the third world for a few more years, but those days are numbered. May 17 23:23:24 * ajay reiterates that if HPalm _really_ ought to lure symbian/meego devs over!! May 17 23:23:37 s/if// May 17 23:25:32 Moving to WP7 on future devices, lays off some 3000 developers with plans for another 4000 lay offs, and that isn't "dropping" it? :p May 17 23:25:44 odd way of showing they love Symbian May 17 23:26:39 Considering that they have more Symbian devices on their roadmap than they do WP7 devices, yes, I'd say that's not dropping it. May 17 23:27:37 oh, I'm sure there are plenty of symbian devices on the roadmap too. but come back in a year or two and count up the number of sales. May 17 23:27:44 3? 4? May 17 23:27:51 You're kidding me, right> May 17 23:27:52 ? May 17 23:28:02 they sold 108 million Symbian devices in 2010... May 17 23:28:10 and how many of those are smart phones? May 17 23:28:17 That's the smartphone share May 17 23:28:21 and I bet you that that number for 2011 is smaller. May 17 23:28:24 It's more how many of those devices are left on the roadmap because they were planned at the point of the release May 17 23:28:27 and 2012 is even smaller. May 17 23:28:52 its a sinking ship. May 17 23:28:54 or a .. burning boat. May 17 23:28:59 See, obviously something doesn't add up. Moving 108 million devices in 2010 doesn't lead you to lay off 3000 Symbian Devs and sign agreements for Windows Phone 7 May 17 23:29:41 Symbian isn't all about phones. May 17 23:30:30 And do not confuse moving the Symbian devs to another division as laying off May 17 23:30:34 Well, neither is Android, but the major bulk of where it ends up is in Phones. And shitty tablets but that's besides the point. May 17 23:30:41 DOS sold a few copies in its day too, but the market moves on. May 17 23:30:49 Another division? It's an entirely different company. May 17 23:31:22 They're a partner May 17 23:32:12 Accenture bought Symbian's services. May 17 23:35:24 That still doesn't really come across to me as a move where Nokia wasn't trying to cut all ties, you know? It's a hodgepodge outsourcing company. May 17 23:36:00 I can tell you authoritatively that they are not cutting all ties. May 17 23:36:04 accenture?? isn't that a corrupt consulting company that changed its name? May 17 23:38:25 weird May 17 23:40:49 corrupt? May 17 23:40:55 youre thinking the one ibm bought May 17 23:41:03 that hp tried and failed May 17 23:41:11 pricewaterhouse cooper May 17 23:41:14 No he's talking about AA May 17 23:41:25 well AA is corrupt too May 17 23:41:30 but they dont do it consultanting May 17 23:41:41 Accenture was a split off of AA May 17 23:42:23 oh damn didnt know that May 17 23:42:25 my mistake May 17 23:53:37 Adora: ill get all the crap together and try to submit May 17 23:53:46 dundunDUN May 17 23:53:51 there is no try! May 17 23:53:58 there is only success! May 17 23:54:29 Or abject failure... May 17 23:54:42 idk last time i tried there was no success :/ May 17 23:54:45 your mom is an abject failure May 17 23:54:57 oil: did you try in the last two hours? May 17 23:54:57 thats not very nice May 17 23:55:01 no May 17 23:55:03 I verified myself May 17 23:55:05 but pretty funny May 17 23:55:07 wirc is gone May 17 23:55:14 ok May 17 23:55:15 at least on my end May 17 23:55:42 Now now Adora May 17 23:55:56 * Adora wobbles DocLee May 17 23:56:18 will we be able to publish multiple versions of our apps for the different webos versions sometime soon? May 17 23:56:50 * halfhalo makes plans for wheeloblame: Adora Edition May 17 23:56:51 wobbles? May 17 23:57:09 madnificent, What specifically are you having issues with? May 17 23:57:20 Because it's sometimes easier to just check the version at start May 17 23:57:20 Well, AC is what changed their name, they split from AA way back (89) May 17 23:57:48 ohh i guess i was talking to that phone tech for awhile, haha.. hopefully my internet works good now May 17 23:58:09 DocLee: packaging for WebOS1.x vs WebOS2.x (wrt to calendar integration) and partly because I'm looking at the TouchPad as well May 17 23:58:37 also wobbles really doesn't sound that bad... May 17 23:59:02 Forget the touchpad right now. It's a complete code rewrite. May 17 23:59:18 Assuming you mean tablet May 17 23:59:52 hey all May 18 00:00:05 DocLee: i'm in the beta program, but that's not the point... I'm also figuring the calendar out... I'd like to be able to have multiple editions, so the question still stands May 18 00:01:45 beta program? May 18 00:01:46 I don't know what I'm allowed to say May 18 00:02:04 * halfhalo wants another DevDays! May 18 00:02:13 * oil has no veer to test wirc on so he can't check that box :/ May 18 00:02:26 DocLee: multiple versions doesn't seem to be related to the NDA at all (AFAICT) May 18 00:02:54 * halfhalo thinks oil should fix that May 18 00:03:20 oil: If you leave the box unchecked, HP will send you a veer in the mail May 18 00:03:27 * oil tests May 18 00:03:38 oh now i gotta find the description... May 18 00:03:44 and they'll bill it to haeffb May 18 00:03:47 fail May 18 00:03:51 wait, what? May 18 00:03:58 and someone needs to make a video showing off wirc :) May 18 00:04:37 I would if it wasn't a complete pile of crap. May 18 00:04:40 oil, I will test on veer =] May 18 00:04:51 lol May 18 00:04:54 s/it wasn't a complete pile of crap/I wasn't so lazy/ May 18 00:05:14 damn, I hate typos May 18 00:06:40 * oil skips 50 and 25 word descriptions because im lazy :) May 18 00:06:57 :p May 18 00:07:04 they don't get used, don't worry about it May 18 00:07:14 ha. just copy the first 50 and 25 words of the long one. May 18 00:07:18 lol May 18 00:07:45 haha May 18 00:07:47 oh category May 18 00:07:54 * madnificent always writes it, it's asked, so I do it May 18 00:08:18 what category should wirc go in? May 18 00:08:19 oil: put awesome May 18 00:08:38 its a dropdown unfortunately May 18 00:08:47 i guess i could inject some javascript to add my own entry to the dropdown May 18 00:08:49 lol May 18 00:08:55 Communication? May 18 00:08:56 >_< May 18 00:09:06 there is no communication May 18 00:09:25 Well, anything but music->radio/broadcasts May 18 00:09:30 Just in case there's another contest May 18 00:09:36 lol May 18 00:09:36 lol May 18 00:09:53 PuffTheMagic: thoughts on category? May 18 00:09:58 Got to mark my terroritory May 18 00:10:07 https://developer.palm.com/templates/palm/docs/categorytranslation.pdf is the list May 18 00:10:33 im thinking social networking > chat is probably the closest May 18 00:10:51 is there a best app category? May 18 00:10:52 Lifestyle > Dating May 18 00:10:57 oh, i can do awesome for a secondary tag? May 18 00:11:06 custom > Awesome, yes May 18 00:11:15 what about a free porn category May 18 00:11:24 lol May 18 00:11:30 I'm thinking Health and Fitness -> Weight Gain May 18 00:11:30 and warez May 18 00:11:35 so we got Socian Networking as primary category May 18 00:11:41 social* May 18 00:11:43 ten Chat May 18 00:11:46 then* Chat May 18 00:11:47 damn May 18 00:11:51 then Awesome May 18 00:11:57 +1 May 18 00:12:04 then custom "IRC"? May 18 00:12:15 * oil goes with that May 18 00:12:41 omg, a step we've never gotten to May 18 00:12:41 chat seems better than IRC to me May 18 00:12:48 we got chat May 18 00:12:53 its Chat, Awesome, and IRC May 18 00:12:59 LoL, ok May 18 00:13:10 awesome :D May 18 00:13:24 tagline May 18 00:13:43 and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC for website May 18 00:13:50 even though that page is very spartan May 18 00:14:05 PuffTheMagics home phone for support number May 18 00:14:12 we can get oakridge outdoors to spruce up that page May 18 00:15:17 oil, don't even think about it May 18 00:15:20 heh May 18 00:15:31 i dont know your home phone, so no problems there :) May 18 00:15:39 "Invalid URL" May 18 00:15:42 buh May 18 00:15:42 how about a social network for music! May 18 00:15:51 what crappy url validation is this? May 18 00:16:02 we'll call it ping! May 18 00:16:12 probably sees the : all late and is like "you can't have a port number there?!?!" May 18 00:16:21 it is however required May 18 00:16:33 so i guess we'll just go with webos-internals.org May 18 00:16:38 bit.ly link to the wiki page? May 18 00:16:41 link to the redmine page May 18 00:16:45 oil: can't you replace : with it's ascii code? %something May 18 00:16:51 lol May 18 00:17:06 the wi webpage is good enough for now :) May 18 00:17:22 group effort submission, this is awesome May 18 00:17:33 no data encryption :( May 18 00:17:37 haha May 18 00:17:41 oil, no? May 18 00:17:50 the govt didnt get back to you yet May 18 00:17:56 no, the government sucks and so does getting ssl whitelisted May 18 00:18:54 oil: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application%3AWIRC May 18 00:18:58 there's surely a non-pretty URL to refer to that page, which i'd imagine palm would more likely accept (if one was into such things) May 18 00:19:36 idk going back to that step might break everything! May 18 00:19:44 http://bit.ly/webos-wirc May 18 00:20:02 oil: you can do a metadata update. Onward! May 18 00:20:24 hey, what's all this, then? May 18 00:20:36 is wIRC going in the catalog?! :) May 18 00:20:43 amazing May 18 00:20:50 yay May 18 00:21:06 * oil blindly agrees to terms and conditions without reading May 18 00:21:28 faith-based app submission May 18 00:21:51 * haeffb lol's May 18 00:21:51 oil: you should be able to move forward and back in the steps without problem May 18 00:21:58 "should be able" May 18 00:22:03 sugardave: if you saw the db schema, you'd soon realize all submissions are faith-based =] May 18 00:22:15 * oil crosses fingers and hits submit May 18 00:22:31 Kaboom! May 18 00:22:42 hahahaha May 18 00:22:46 oil: advantage of a bit.ly is you can see how many people have followed the link, and from which countries May 18 00:22:47 immediately marked toxic =] May 18 00:23:05 sugardave: have you begun? May 18 00:23:12 well there it is May 18 00:23:17 or still unemployed? May 18 00:23:32 * haeffb refreshes app cat May 18 00:23:46 well, i guess your love is so toxic May 18 00:23:51 f5 May 18 00:23:54 f5 May 18 00:24:02 wait, there is no f5 on my Pre May 18 00:24:13 gesture-r May 18 00:24:41 folks, this is a momentous moment in webOS history May 18 00:25:00 http://i51.tinypic.com/206ycf9.png May 18 00:25:01 ! May 18 00:25:20 oil: no email from the scanner? May 18 00:25:22 * rwhitby wonders when the 28th month is ... May 18 00:25:30 s/28/18/ May 18 00:25:38 uh May 18 00:25:43 not to my personal email May 18 00:26:02 "Your app has been submitted" May 18 00:26:14 Adora: hopefully the owner of that web page realises that there are app developers who do not use US date formats ... May 18 00:26:18 gmail marks it as spam? May 18 00:26:23 the security guy will manually review it, maybe it will be ok May 18 00:26:30 rwhitby: it's crazier when you are new to this date system. The first few days of Jan & Feb throw me off May 18 00:26:31 rwhitby: hahahahaha! May 18 00:27:20 haeffb: wait are you and oil both submitting apps right now?? May 18 00:27:22 * haeffb adores those who pretend there is sentient life outside the US May 18 00:27:42 ajay: no, living vicariously May 18 00:27:47 heh May 18 00:28:03 oil: at last? :D May 18 00:28:04 it's been literally months since I've submitted anything. or at least weeks. May 18 00:28:08 yeah May 18 00:28:15 what's changed with wirc that it can now go in the catalog? May 18 00:28:18 congratulations :D May 18 00:28:28 dohtem, nothing May 18 00:28:31 thanks :) May 18 00:29:05 were hybrid apps allowed the day you could mark your app as "2.1 and above" or..? May 18 00:29:13 NuttyBunny: still no mail? May 18 00:29:19 ajay: umm, roughly..... May 18 00:29:25 lol May 18 00:29:57 oil: you should put that screencap on wosi May 18 00:30:14 wi isn't a blog :) May 18 00:30:24 Arrrrgh May 18 00:30:30 haeffb: nope, not yet... I'm still waiting for my book, more than a month now :@ May 18 00:30:54 f it. It's a wiki. I'll do it. May 18 00:31:02 haha May 18 00:31:16 I have a summer internship open...for US citizens only. 31 applications. None are from US citizens. May 18 00:31:42 meh. it's too hard. I'll skip it. May 18 00:31:46 well they cant read May 18 00:32:08 I take that back. 1 from a US citizen. But his CV was so bad, I would rather bite my own arm off. May 18 00:32:15 * haeffb too lazy to host the image somewhere May 18 00:32:51 you know images can be uploaded to the wiki right? :) May 18 00:33:34 unrelatedly, does anyone know how to get google voice to forward to skype? May 18 00:36:03 oil: how much is wirc gonna be? May 18 00:36:10 $4.29 May 18 00:36:15 and free in preware May 18 00:36:19 ah May 18 00:36:24 did it work?? May 18 00:36:41 clicking submit? yeah May 18 00:37:21 so Adora: how do we go about getting on that "select list of developers" who are apparently getting touchpads ahead of launch? :) May 18 00:37:47 yeah! May 18 00:37:52 you should follow the internalz model and put wIRC pro in preware.. :) May 18 00:37:58 yeah :) May 18 00:38:17 "oops sorry, gotta run" right... heh May 18 00:38:40 ajay: they're both just called "wIRC" May 18 00:38:56 Adora: well played May 18 00:39:19 haha May 18 00:39:24 hey Adora May 18 00:39:48 oil: i was mostly joking, since the distinctions between ac/preware versions wouldn't need to exist (i assume), unlike w/ Internalz May 18 00:39:49 PatrickC: yeeeeeeeessss? May 18 00:39:56 so Adora: how do we go about getting on that "select list of developers" who are apparently getting touchpads ahead of launch? :) May 18 00:40:04 >_< May 18 00:40:07 ajay: the preware version has SSL May 18 00:40:10 I do not know of which you speak May 18 00:40:15 :) May 18 00:40:37 oil: is SSL not allowed in the AC or something? eek.. May 18 00:40:50 not without getting government approval May 18 00:41:02 ohh that's what ya'll were talkin about the gov for earlier, got it.. May 18 00:41:03 or palm whitelisting their ssl May 18 00:41:03 * PatrickC googles this SSL May 18 00:41:04 silly US government May 18 00:41:05 weird May 18 00:41:39 Solid State Logic? May 18 00:41:40 it seems like palm should allow you to do it for international versions at the least! May 18 00:41:41 eh May 18 00:41:43 as if the NSA hasn't cracked SSL already ... May 18 00:41:59 rwhitby: what does that have to do w/ anything? :) May 18 00:42:33 that's the only reason why there are export controls on encryption May 18 00:42:48 or Secure Sockets Layer May 18 00:42:57 so the NSA gets a heads-up on what they need to be able to crack May 18 00:43:07 oh May 18 00:43:18 * PatrickC is lost in this tech talk :) May 18 00:46:32 base the sales from europe and *bam* you're allowed to use encryption, no? May 18 00:46:56 * PatrickC is looking for Mods for his new coding forum May 18 00:47:07 madnificent: Palm do something outside of the US? Yeah, right. May 18 00:47:26 rwhitby: you don't live in the US either? May 18 00:47:28 they would, but the foreigners keep getting confused about the date May 18 00:47:29 rwhitby: lol May 18 00:47:59 oil: and the seasons for release dates. "I thought you said it would be ready by Summer!" May 18 00:48:04 haha May 18 00:48:28 anyone know what/who P|C uses for their forums? May 18 00:48:57 vbulletin? May 18 00:48:58 PatrickC: no offense, but why is another forum needed? May 18 00:49:05 PatrickC, DRUPAL May 18 00:49:07 rwhitby: confused by a different hemisphere somehow? I should really check up on my geography, the US must indeed have a different 'summer' :) May 18 00:49:15 I don't like phpBB all that much May 18 00:49:21 rwhitby: at least, they had that in the past, it may have synced now May 18 00:49:25 their whole site is drupal i believe May 18 00:49:30 vb ftw May 18 00:50:05 madnificent: I live in the Southern Hemisphere. The half of the globe where webOS GPS doesn't work. May 18 00:50:09 PuffTheMagic: thanks May 18 00:50:20 rwhitby: odd May 18 00:50:39 reported in 1.3.1, got a NOV number, still not fixed. May 18 00:50:58 and the toilet water spins the opposite direction when flushed?!? May 18 00:51:08 oil: I'm sure that's the reason for the GPS bug. May 18 00:51:14 haha May 18 00:51:18 HP really needs to make sure wIRC functions well on touchpad so they can boast live support via wIRC :D May 18 00:52:02 yeah! May 18 00:52:22 man.. vb or drupal aren't on my install scripts :/ May 18 00:52:38 ... May 18 00:52:43 vbulletin costs $ May 18 00:52:59 on my install scripts? wtf are u running? May 18 00:53:04 os/2? May 18 00:53:12 jesus May 18 00:53:21 I have 1 touch install for my stuff May 18 00:53:27 through my host May 18 00:53:44 more like 1 touch fail May 18 00:53:48 my choices are: May 18 00:53:50 AEF May 18 00:54:01 u dont have ssh or ftp access May 18 00:54:08 drupal is like plug and play May 18 00:54:09 * rwhitby notes that this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion ... May 18 00:54:09 I have FTP May 18 00:54:15 lol May 18 00:54:20 all u have to do is extract it May 18 00:54:24 then go to your site May 18 00:54:26 * oil gets popcorn? May 18 00:54:28 I'm just too lazy to set it up lol May 18 00:54:34 and follow the friggen wizard May 18 00:54:41 and u want to run a forum May 18 00:54:41 hmm May 18 00:54:42 lol May 18 00:54:43 * halfhalo gives oil money for poporn May 18 00:54:47 that sounds easy May 18 00:54:53 PatrickC: yet you'll not be too lazy to be an effective forum administrator? awesome. May 18 00:54:53 I'll look it up lol May 18 00:55:10 I have others helping me May 18 00:55:10 :) May 18 00:55:24 * oil has hard enough time posting in precentral/hpdev forums May 18 00:55:45 PatrickC: how many hours a week do you expect to spend on simply administering the forum (not adding features or content) ? May 18 00:56:01 umm. 0 atm May 18 00:56:12 right now, no one knows of the forum May 18 00:56:19 what is your projection for when it is up and running? May 18 00:56:33 hmm.. not sure May 18 00:56:41 25 hours a day May 18 00:56:42 haven't thought that far ahead lol May 18 00:56:46 lol May 18 00:56:51 what is your number of users projection for the end of the first month? May 18 00:57:13 I think it's clear he hasn't thought that far... May 18 00:57:21 not fully :/ May 18 00:57:23 what are your copyright and privacy policies? May 18 00:57:27 Don't confuse him with sound reasoning and logic! May 18 00:57:34 hmm.. not sure yet May 18 00:57:50 * PatrickC should have thought this through more.. May 18 00:57:55 What security audit measures have you put in place for the account information? May 18 00:58:15 would yet another subforums on P|C suffice? May 18 00:58:19 security audit measures for account info? May 18 00:58:23 rwhitby. crushing dreams since 2011. May 18 00:58:25 s/would/wouldnt/ May 18 00:58:46 haeffb, you are off my many years May 18 00:58:47 haeffb: he needs that on his business card May 18 00:58:58 by May 18 00:59:09 win May 18 00:59:22 s/crushing dreams/injecting reality/ May 18 00:59:26 damn typos. May 18 00:59:38 I think both are appropriate May 18 00:59:40 PuffTheMagic: depends whether PatrickC wants himself or P|C to get the advertising revenue May 18 01:00:03 * PatrickC has no revenue currently May 18 01:00:06 * PuffTheMagic imagines a rwhitby website where there is this odometer like display that just increases rapidly counting the crushed dreams May 18 01:00:09 and won't for a while May 18 01:00:24 PuffTheMagic: like the gmail storage counter May 18 01:00:28 just always going up May 18 01:00:29 hahaahah May 18 01:00:33 ya May 18 01:00:33 YES May 18 01:00:37 haha May 18 01:00:39 someone get on that May 18 01:00:42 PatrickC: in that case, I'd suggest letting P|C keep that pesky revenue May 18 01:00:59 what revenue is to be made right now lol May 18 01:01:06 I only have 1 tutorial uo May 18 01:01:09 up* May 18 01:01:10 :) May 18 01:01:31 PatrickC: if you want to create a forum that no-one visits and therefore has no advertising revenue, just ask webOSRoundup for a sub-forum. May 18 01:01:50 lol May 18 01:01:54 I want one that people visit, and makes some revenue May 18 01:02:07 hah May 18 01:02:13 but idk it'll happen May 18 01:02:20 i hate forums with ads May 18 01:02:32 hmm, a erase all apps (there was nothing installed) seems to bring usb back. odd. May 18 01:02:34 (no offense to the WOR guys, all the other stuff they do is awesome, but they should just drop the forum bit) May 18 01:02:44 rwhitby: agreed May 18 01:02:49 mostly May 18 01:02:51 i didn't even know WOR had a forum! May 18 01:02:53 i've always thought it was poorly implemented May 18 01:03:09 ajay: same here May 18 01:03:16 when did they get that? lol May 18 01:03:27 oil, do you have the wirc review status page on auto refresh May 18 01:03:27 with the state of P|C ads WOR may pick up... May 18 01:03:34 PatrickC: you too can aspire to that level on anonymity .. May 18 01:03:45 and that it should have been threaded, flat forums make things complicated May 18 01:03:46 s/on/of/ May 18 01:03:47 one of those homer simpson thingys that could press F5 constantly would be useful May 18 01:04:02 i've refreshed it a few times May 18 01:04:12 i dont see it changing tonight May 18 01:04:14 maybe tomorrow May 18 01:04:30 they'll email us a list of things they think we should change May 18 01:04:48 rwhitby: I hope to get to the level of P|C for forums, and W3 for tutorials May 18 01:04:49 im pretty sure i got the help/edit options in the menu of every scene May 18 01:04:52 lol May 18 01:05:01 oil, they lost that right a few months ago May 18 01:05:17 on submission attempt 99 May 18 01:05:18 oil: they haven't cared about that for like a year May 18 01:05:24 I don't think they actually run the apps before approving May 18 01:05:52 if its still like it was 2 years ago they have a list of "needs to be fixed for submission" and "suggested fixes" May 18 01:05:53 PatrickC: what do you think the running costs for P|C forums are, in effort and expenses? May 18 01:05:57 they refused my app because of that lol May 18 01:05:58 Adora, will we be the first plugin/hybrid or did we miss that boat? May 18 01:06:11 PuffTheMagic: missed it =\ May 18 01:06:14 PatrickC: oh look, there's a link to the forums at the top of their website! haha.. May 18 01:06:23 meh, we already were the first plugin hybrid :) May 18 01:06:23 rwhitby: not sure May 18 01:06:37 oil, wirc was the first everything May 18 01:06:41 years ago May 18 01:06:42 lol May 18 01:07:27 lol May 18 01:08:04 * PatrickC is getting ready to doctor again.. this time, Ubuntu borked it :/ May 18 01:08:26 wasnt wirc released june 5th, 09? May 18 01:08:28 :p May 18 01:09:08 well, it was originally a homebrew service hybrid May 18 01:09:20 then the pdk dropped and we jumped to plugin hybrid right out of the gate May 18 01:09:23 oil, that should be another tagline, "plugin hybrid since #/#/# May 18 01:09:29 haha May 18 01:09:38 more taglines are always needed May 18 01:09:50 Holy May 18 01:10:20 "Hybrid since before the Prius" May 18 01:10:21 * PatrickC thinks there should be an "oil is awesome" tagline May 18 01:10:25 haha May 18 01:10:30 rwhitby: HAHAHHAHHAHAHA May 18 01:10:51 oil, we shouldnt have more taglines than users though May 18 01:11:03 Puff: to late May 18 01:11:12 we're only up to 10 May 18 01:11:16 taglines that is May 18 01:11:25 i assume more people use wirc then that May 18 01:11:43 lol May 18 01:11:53 oil: add a node.js service to get the palm profile username, and randomise based on username too May 18 01:12:00 u can guarantee that by the number of wicer@'s in this channel alone May 18 01:12:34 Been long time since I used wirc, hows that coming along? May 18 01:12:50 it can now print money May 18 01:12:51 why not use it and find out May 18 01:13:01 PuffTheMagic: because people dont know that user filed in advanced changes that :) May 18 01:13:02 Cause I'm not on webos atm May 18 01:13:26 oil, nothing wrong with that May 18 01:13:29 im just saying May 18 01:13:35 heh May 18 01:14:00 i see shit tons of wicers in parting and joining in all the #webos* May 18 01:14:01 i can only imagine how many "i can't connect to server x" emails we'll get May 18 01:14:21 nvm then :P May 18 01:14:24 oil, wirc cant be worse than gmaps May 18 01:14:39 STiK: its going good :) May 18 01:14:50 finally submitted to catalog May 18 01:15:06 finally finished a submision to the catalog May 18 01:15:10 is what oil meant May 18 01:15:13 Oh rly? nice.. How long ago you do that? May 18 01:15:20 Ahh May 18 01:15:21 like 30 mins May 18 01:15:34 or 6 months, depending on how you look at it May 18 01:15:42 I'm dumping my DX for a D3 or a Pre3... Pre build quality will decide for me... May 18 01:16:13 what carrier do u hope to be gettinga pre3 on? May 18 01:16:25 Sprint!!!!! May 18 01:16:31 ick May 18 01:16:33 ahaha, that will never happen May 18 01:16:39 Whichever has it I am guessing lol May 18 01:16:47 definitely going to have to get together with someone who can sit around and test DCC with me to make that experience better May 18 01:16:50 sprint will never fix another palm slider phone May 18 01:16:58 * PatrickC will find a way to run it on sprint!! May 18 01:17:14 Who's rumored to get it? May 18 01:17:23 Glue it to a Pre- ? May 18 01:17:30 VZW is a no-brainer May 18 01:17:35 everyone but sprint May 18 01:17:36 and Sprint is rumored May 18 01:17:41 no they arent May 18 01:17:45 lol @ everyone but sprint May 18 01:17:48 * halfhalo is leavig sprint friday!!! May 18 01:18:02 halfhalo, where u going? May 18 01:18:06 Well that would be an easy move if it goes to vzw May 18 01:18:15 PuffTheMagic: ATT May 18 01:18:29 Loved webos but damn my pre was a pos May 18 01:18:30 enjoy paying 3x for your phone plan May 18 01:18:44 halfhalo, ^^ May 18 01:18:48 Actually, omes out to 5 less a month for the stuff I need May 18 01:19:08 well then u are cutting back May 18 01:19:17 http://m.precentral.net/sprint-get-pre-3-after-all-rumor-and-speculation May 18 01:19:19 a equal plan would be 3x more May 18 01:19:38 Only cutback's are 1000 messages vs unlimited, and the 2Gb data vs unlimited May 18 01:19:45 same minutes, same everything else May 18 01:19:49 the key words being "rumor and speculation" May 18 01:19:55 major cutback to me May 18 01:19:58 But with att I can actually use my phone as a phone at my house and work May 18 01:20:01 i think pre3 is coming to tmo! May 18 01:20:05 lets write an article! May 18 01:20:07 I use more then 1000 txts by myself May 18 01:20:10 oil, not only that but the actual post is a quation May 18 01:20:13 question May 18 01:20:18 oh geesh May 18 01:20:22 And considering I used a grand total of... 12 texts last month, not a big deal May 18 01:20:37 wow May 18 01:20:46 I average around 200 May 18 01:21:04 Which may or may not be related to the lack of service at my house May 18 01:21:10 i download 2G of data a week May 18 01:21:12 And work May 18 01:21:13 on my phone May 18 01:21:14 And school May 18 01:21:17 lol May 18 01:21:23 yeah, if the carrier doesnt get service where you need it you should switch May 18 01:21:24 hellanzb + usenet ftw May 18 01:21:36 Ah, I average 250MB a month since there is wifi everywhere May 18 01:21:44 I'm around wifi too much to use that much data May 18 01:22:12 im too lazy to add accesspoints to my phone May 18 01:22:16 lol May 18 01:22:29 and the only one i ever want to is wep 802.1x May 18 01:22:33 which webos cant do May 18 01:22:42 The one time I chewed through data was when I used the 4gees and tied it to the ipad for hulus May 18 01:23:26 I did that with my dx... cable went out for the night so we sat around the tv and watched netflix. May 18 01:23:44 I chewed thru data when I had dropbox mirrored to my laptop and Palm put webOS betas out there. May 18 01:23:50 I think I burned through a GB an hour May 18 01:23:50 Suprised vzw didnt flag me May 18 01:24:05 i download music nzb's all day long May 18 01:24:16 * halfhalo has the zunepass May 18 01:24:38 haeffb: haha not using web interface May 18 01:25:13 oil, hit refresh again! May 18 01:25:17 lol May 18 01:25:19 i just did May 18 01:25:20 same May 18 01:25:22 f5 May 18 01:25:35 I dunno if I am going to miss 4g or not... because when im on it, its fast May 18 01:25:43 webos have a decent amount of decent apps nowdays? May 18 01:25:58 how many apps do you need? May 18 01:26:00 i think we're over 200 fart apps now May 18 01:26:11 webos dont need apps May 18 01:26:13 impressive May 18 01:26:17 we're still like 300k short from iOS though May 18 01:26:24 the best apps on other phone os's just add shit that webos does by default May 18 01:26:27 did I mention decent apps? lol May 18 01:26:28 in just fart apps alone May 18 01:26:31 * haeffb needs a netflix app May 18 01:26:43 i would like a timewarner dvr app May 18 01:26:43 * Tibfib wants some rpgs May 18 01:26:51 * halfhalo wants a cookie May 18 01:26:52 and the HBO otg app May 18 01:26:53 * oil wants some wirc May 18 01:26:54 wait May 18 01:27:15 20% of the apps on android market are freaking themes for launchers n such May 18 01:27:23 rediculous May 18 01:27:29 webos that thems May 18 01:27:38 but i block them May 18 01:27:46 they are mobile phone viri May 18 01:27:50 lol May 18 01:28:17 here, let me embed some code so that evertime u press a button i make 3cents May 18 01:28:26 I hate sifting through all of them to find the maybe 100 useful apps on the market May 18 01:28:44 webOS: Less sifting than the competitors May 18 01:28:48 im still waiting for a theme to add popup's May 18 01:28:51 that would be awesome May 18 01:29:00 I've never dealt with the iphone app store but I'm assuming its just as rediculous May 18 01:29:04 * halfhalo shall technicaly be rejoining the ranks of active/main webos phone users friday May 18 01:29:18 * oil cheers for halfhalo? May 18 01:29:29 halfhalo, veer? May 18 01:29:29 and wp7 May 18 01:29:39 * oil throws up a little in his mouth May 18 01:29:44 nah, devpre2 is simcardless until then May 18 01:29:47 wp7 on pre2? May 18 01:29:47 oil: :P May 18 01:30:04 that taste wont go away for a few hours at least May 18 01:30:13 wp7wp7wp7! May 18 01:30:19 Wait, I just got here what is happening May 18 01:30:19 oil, halfhalo can go sit in a corner with Templarian and form a circle jerk May 18 01:30:22 wp7 in the back of the throat May 18 01:30:24 you and templarian haha yeah May 18 01:30:33 Which did he get? May 18 01:30:40 * halfhalo wants superamoled and zune! and also a device to round out his mobile webdev stuff May 18 01:31:06 * oil only needs more webos devices, doesn't care about other platforms May 18 01:31:21 If you knew the NDA stuff I do about WP7 could would back it also. :D May 18 01:31:23 im still pimping my 1.4.5 pixi superleggera May 18 01:31:33 s/could// May 18 01:31:45 way to say nothing at all :) May 18 01:31:46 * halfhalo does webdev for mobile stuff work work May 18 01:31:54 you said work twice May 18 01:32:14 I... how... what the... May 18 01:32:18 Templarian, tiles make me sick May 18 01:32:30 Templarian: at least you stick around and still make all our sexy icons May 18 01:32:33 Lag scares me. May 18 01:32:37 and for that, you can't be all that bad :) May 18 01:32:41 (cheap shot :P) May 18 01:33:21 but those stickers were made from a screenshot of the sticker design May 18 01:33:23 and we got none of them May 18 01:33:41 they've got the photoshop transparent "grid" behind the circle... May 18 01:33:48 ya i wanted a sticker May 18 01:33:50 lol May 18 01:34:04 i want a tshirt May 18 01:34:06 maybe that was on purpose, idk May 18 01:34:17 oil, F5 it again May 18 01:34:20 That seems like a weird mistake. May 18 01:34:24 no change May 18 01:34:32 set up vnc so i can f5 it May 18 01:34:55 Templarian: http://img.ly/3ENE May 18 01:35:28 and http://www.precentral.net/pre-3-autofocus-camera-supports-up-close-macro-shots-1 May 18 01:35:37 oil: Those stickers were suppose to be 2.5" round Who did that? May 18 01:35:45 idk May 18 01:35:49 rick? May 18 01:35:52 lol May 18 01:35:55 apparently he gave them all to adora or something? May 18 01:36:04 he thought u meant 25" round May 18 01:36:11 rwhitby is the only wi member that got one from her i think :) May 18 01:36:33 but in all fairness May 18 01:36:35 The came out really clean though. May 18 01:36:43 i never saw the raw image May 18 01:36:46 You could easily cut it. May 18 01:36:48 only a screenshot of photoshop May 18 01:36:58 oil: waitaminute, I have all of those?? May 18 01:36:59 Rick had the PNG with transparency also. May 18 01:37:05 I thought he only sent me some May 18 01:37:17 im only repeating what i've heard around May 18 01:37:18 He said he had a whole stack of them. May 18 01:37:24 I gave some to rwhitby while he was here May 18 01:38:03 hmm May 18 01:38:06 scanner problems still? May 18 01:38:09 they should be included with all touchpad purchases May 18 01:38:16 yup May 18 01:38:21 You know what probably happened the price was probably cheaper for square so at the last minue he probably selected 3" square or something. May 18 01:38:49 oil: told you, you've been marked toxic May 18 01:38:53 http://i53.tinypic.com/2udu6ip.png May 18 01:38:54 :( May 18 01:39:03 the scanner nerd will probably investigate first thing in the morning May 18 01:39:08 well consider yourself contacted! May 18 01:39:24 well its time to hit the sauce and celebrate wirc being in the appcat sometime "in the coming months" May 18 01:39:34 oh, scanner nerd already investigated May 18 01:39:44 yeah, stripping is required May 18 01:39:52 strip the plugin? May 18 01:39:55 then it wont work May 18 01:40:06 oil, take the -g flag out of the makefile for wirc when u build May 18 01:40:06 of debugging info, that won't work? May 18 01:40:14 i didnt build it May 18 01:40:20 i downloaded it from the repo May 18 01:40:26 which one? May 18 01:40:30 * oil always fails at building May 18 01:40:47 the one in May 18 01:40:48 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ May 18 01:40:50 at the top May 18 01:40:55 0.3.11-1 May 18 01:41:02 with .catalog May 18 01:42:30 * PuffTheMagic delays hitting the sauce to fix build issue May 18 01:42:36 heh May 18 01:42:58 multitask! May 18 01:43:05 * oil goes and gets dinner while puffy works on that :) May 18 01:43:20 when u see -3 hit the feed submit that May 18 01:43:30 ok May 18 01:43:44 or maybe we should move the tag up to get those new taglines :) May 18 01:43:51 * oil brb May 18 01:45:53 WOR's mobile app is Soooo much better than P|C's.. it caches, it does comments proper, etc. May 18 01:46:03 damn i got to hit enter BEFORE I leave for hours on end.. :) May 18 01:46:23 (or half-hours, same diff..:) better just close this before i forget again.. paz! May 18 01:50:54 * haeffb stops hitting f5 in the app cat May 18 02:05:34 so? when will wirc show in the app cat? May 18 02:10:16 NuttyBunny, in the coming months May 18 02:12:06 LOL May 18 02:56:49 here's a question that oil can't answer May 18 02:56:59 do you get an email when an app has been approved? May 18 02:56:59 false May 18 02:57:12 oh May 18 02:57:13 i could look May 18 02:57:18 i dont remember May 18 02:57:30 its been like 2 years :) May 18 02:57:38 probably changed since then May 18 02:57:41 hello all May 18 02:57:42 Adora: I have never got an email on approval for PHD. May 18 02:58:09 sorry to change subjects, but i have a quick question May 18 02:58:24 rwhitby: so my followup question is: where do you get the appredirect link? May 18 02:58:31 what could cause a palm pre to stop turning on after being dropped? May 18 02:59:07 Adora, thanks for getting wirc deleted May 18 02:59:44 Adora: good question May 18 02:59:44 Adora: take another link and add our appid to the end? May 18 02:59:52 that's what I do **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 18 02:59:57 2011