**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 18 02:59:57 2011 May 18 03:00:03 PuffTheMagic: don't thank me, thank the chickens I had to sacrifice May 18 03:00:52 fudge_, Pre May 18 03:00:55 Damn May 18 03:01:01 Pres are pretty fragile May 18 03:02:08 lol May 18 03:02:27 Adora, he is something for your minions to fix... if an app fails submission, the app version should not get hardcoded into the system, shouldnt need to bump the app version every time a submission fails May 18 03:02:43 that's by design May 18 03:02:45 i see a pre for 10 shipped, only problem is it dosent turn on after it was dropped. one possible factor i have in mind is loose connections May 18 03:02:46 the error is 2 files with the same name May 18 03:02:57 which doesnt seem like an error May 18 03:03:21 Adora: dont worry, our build system seems to be having problems today too :) May 18 03:03:34 rather, weird things keep happening May 18 03:03:40 * Adora gives the build system a piece of shiny chocolate May 18 03:03:40 fudge_, I wouldn't do it. May 18 03:03:50 ok May 18 03:04:00 fudge_, It's definitely loose connections but some of those connections are difficult to work with May 18 03:04:00 hopefully it wont be toxic this time May 18 03:04:03 I don't think wirc wants to go in the AC May 18 03:04:14 does it have an awesome mr.yuck type icon when it says toxic? May 18 03:04:14 * PatrickC wanders in May 18 03:04:22 you're selling him out May 18 03:04:36 yeah, i was hoping it would be the cable that runs from the comms board to the main board. May 18 03:04:38 Adora: why do you think wIRC is male? May 18 03:05:42 anyway, thanks guys. good nite :) May 18 03:05:45 I definitely added a "Finally in the App Catalog!" tagline May 18 03:06:44 haha May 18 03:06:46 awesome May 18 03:07:18 rwhitby: I am comfortable enough in my sexuality to assign masculine pronouns to ambiguous objects May 18 03:07:50 Adora: perhaps wIRC is upset about your ambiguisation of it's sexuality? May 18 03:08:08 rwhitby, wIRC plays for both teams May 18 03:08:11 wIRC is a pony, problem solved :U May 18 03:08:27 ponys are asexual? May 18 03:08:37 they reproduce by osmosis May 18 03:08:47 the ones that little girls have as toys are definitely asexual May 18 03:08:51 PuffTheMagic: is the wIRC CTCP action display eating bug? May 18 03:08:53 ponys are cross species May 18 03:09:10 * oil imagines rwhitby picking one up and checking underneath May 18 03:09:12 SineOt, huh? May 18 03:09:16 technically they are sexually dimorphiiiiiccc May 18 03:09:25 huh May 18 03:09:30 im so confused May 18 03:09:36 incoming CTCP action messages display ~200 characters instead of the full length of the message May 18 03:09:37 oil: my daughter has many May 18 03:09:43 arent pony like 1/2 donkey 1/2 horse May 18 03:10:01 no those are mules May 18 03:10:04 lol May 18 03:10:05 oh ya May 18 03:10:31 ponies are just short horses May 18 03:10:49 rwhitby: I'm sorry that Australia is stuck on Gen3 stuff, which is trash :< May 18 03:10:54 lol May 18 03:11:08 SineOt, all irc messages have a lenght, non ctcp have fixed header and fixed body lengths, ctcp have no header restrictions May 18 03:11:36 are u sure its not the sending client messing up May 18 03:11:37 ok Adora, hopefully not toxic this time May 18 03:11:41 PuffTheMagic: yeah, but displaying incoming it eats about half the length. May 18 03:11:58 Yup. Only wIRC exhibits the problem, and only when receiving. Sending functions normally May 18 03:12:13 SineOt, did u ever file a bug>? May 18 03:12:20 with proof? May 18 03:12:31 there may already be a ticket May 18 03:12:36 Proof? You can handle the proof! May 18 03:12:38 idk if it has "proof" May 18 03:12:42 s/can/can't/ May 18 03:12:49 Never filed, but I've talked this with you + screenshots of it probably 3-4 times in the past May 18 03:12:56 i think ive seen the screenshots May 18 03:12:59 * PatrickC thinks wirc should have the ability to force it to be on vibrate only May 18 03:13:04 even watched arguments on if it was the plugin or the GUI causing problems May 18 03:13:07 SineOt: submit an otter picture as proof May 18 03:13:17 PatrickC: mute rocker? May 18 03:13:26 but that mutes the whole phone May 18 03:13:29 SineOt, problem does not exists till its in redmine May 18 03:13:41 I want only wirc to vibrate, while everything else is normal May 18 03:13:44 lol May 18 03:13:47 :) May 18 03:13:54 PuffTheMagic: link me to red mine and I'll build a bug report right now May 18 03:13:59 * PatrickC is picky.. but not as much as RagingMind May 18 03:14:05 oil: and it needs to be an asexual vibration too May 18 03:14:11 lol May 18 03:14:36 no such thing as an asexual vibration May 18 03:14:43 only if we could do different vibrations May 18 03:14:43 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/wirc May 18 03:14:50 make sure its not there already May 18 03:15:21 2 pages? jeez May 18 03:15:21 oh, actually :I May 18 03:15:25 those devs should get to work May 18 03:15:25 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/307 it's the first on the list May 18 03:15:36 ACTION finishes watching the good wife ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ May 18 03:15:38 "Added by SineOtter 5 months ago." :) May 18 03:15:44 was that split correct May 18 03:16:00 were do u go where ctcp's are that ;long in the first place May 18 03:16:11 Playing D&D XD May 18 03:19:03 oil: is the version in the AC newer then Preware? May 18 03:19:31 i dont know whats built for preware May 18 03:19:54 0.3.12-1 in the testing feeds May 18 03:20:04 then its the same May 18 03:20:09 ah May 18 03:20:25 I'll update to the newer version once I go to bed (on wirc now) May 18 03:21:05 oh.. the testing feed one is the catalog one.. org.webosinternals.catalog.wirc May 18 03:21:16 oh, otterwirc May 18 03:21:35 oh .catalog shouldn't be in the feed May 18 03:22:06 * SineOt This is a test of a full buffer message. It is long, annoying, and mostly a pain in the ass. Fart fart fart. Somewhere along the line it will cut off normally due to being over a buffer in length. This is a test of a full buffer message. It is long, annoying, and mostly a pain in the ass. Fart fart fart. Somewhere along the line it will cut off normally due to being over a buffer in length. May 18 03:22:11 good thing I saw it? May 18 03:22:19 Yup, still cuts. Still in the same place. :I May 18 03:22:40 * oil looks at plugin and frowns xD May 18 03:23:51 weird... doctor says 72% but the phone is booting May 18 03:24:10 Bricked May 18 03:24:17 lol May 18 03:24:21 hmm May 18 03:24:33 doctor is still at 72% but the phone is booted... May 18 03:24:36 ohwell May 18 03:25:12 PuffTheMagic May 18 03:25:15 love that show May 18 03:25:17 * SineOtter-wIRC counts one two three four five six seven eigt nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one twenty two twenty three twenty four twenty five twenty six twenty seven May 18 03:25:21 and met the cast last year at the upfronts May 18 03:25:25 wow, love that episode May 18 03:25:34 Yeah sending them displays fine + sends the whole message May 18 03:26:22 well, thats because local messages aren't from the server May 18 03:26:48 oil: install the .catalog version? May 18 03:26:51 Oh, well, yeah true. May 18 03:26:56 PatrickC: no May 18 03:27:00 ok May 18 03:27:07 But long messages display fine between any other IRC client I've used. It's just wIRC munches on them May 18 03:27:12 there is no changes from .11 anyways May 18 03:27:26 ok May 18 03:27:49 is the strength bars new? May 18 03:27:58 s/is/are/ May 18 03:27:58 strength bars? May 18 03:28:11 the lag meter? May 18 03:28:13 next to the server URL May 18 03:28:29 there are bars like the Wifi strength meter May 18 03:28:36 they're not actual bars May 18 03:28:41 in the screenshots for the updated version May 18 03:28:42 oh May 18 03:28:48 its green/orange/red for lag May 18 03:28:57 ah May 18 03:28:58 ok May 18 03:29:07 you just gotta turn autoping or lag meter or whatever its called in the prefs May 18 03:29:17 but it uses more bandwidth/phone resources/etc May 18 03:30:22 mmmm.... bandwidths.... May 18 03:30:35 will lag meter keep me connected when the phone is not active? May 18 03:30:49 you dont stay connected when the phone isn't active now? May 18 03:31:16 sometimes I'll wake up, and it shows me as connected May 18 03:31:19 but I'm not May 18 03:31:29 Wake up? as in, in the morning? May 18 03:31:33 s/isn't active/overnight/ May 18 03:31:35 yes May 18 03:31:42 oh, who knows what happens overnight lol May 18 03:31:47 lol May 18 03:31:49 network outage or whatever May 18 03:31:54 yeah May 18 03:31:59 it should show it as unknown or some other status in the server list May 18 03:32:12 there is more then disconnected/connecting/connected May 18 03:32:30 sometimes I'm connected in the morning, sometimes I'm not May 18 03:32:36 oh May 18 03:32:47 run lumberjack all night next time :) May 18 03:32:53 and when trying to connect, it usually takes more then once to get it to connect May 18 03:32:56 the boogyman disconnects you May 18 03:33:00 haha, will do :P May 18 03:33:27 the boogyman hates me May 18 03:33:27 I even attached a screenshot to the Redmine issue! May 18 03:33:37 SineOt: ticket update spamer! May 18 03:33:39 lol May 18 03:33:45 Also voting that the default wIRC coloring steal that scheme May 18 03:34:17 just imagine I spaced them out over the last five months! then it's only one update every two and a half months! May 18 03:34:49 * oil things random nick coloring is awesome :) May 18 03:35:04 * PatrickC tried to install preware before I logged into my profile May 18 03:35:05 its better then it was at first (if you haven't tried it in a while) May 18 03:35:07 didn't work :/ May 18 03:35:19 * PatrickC will try it now May 18 03:35:21 it doesnt do light color on light bg anymore May 18 03:35:36 or the other way around for palm-dark May 18 03:35:46 * PatrickC was just about to ask that May 18 03:36:07 Nah, I haven't in a while. Just been setting it up manually and then going from there May 18 03:36:32 give it a go :) May 18 03:36:38 * halfhalo breaks redmine May 18 03:36:41 NOW WHAT May 18 03:36:55 yay, no more ticket update emails from sineot :) May 18 03:37:15 * halfhalo fixes it for sineot only May 18 03:37:32 and the monkeys May 18 03:37:44 * halfhalo looks around suspiciously May 18 03:37:44 * oil is leaving bbl May 18 03:38:41 * PatrickC has been using random nick coloring this whole time May 18 03:38:51 I didn't even know it lol May 18 03:41:33 * halfhalo just got a text message May 18 03:41:42 dated from.... yesterday May 18 03:41:47 lol May 18 03:42:08 * PatrickC is waiting for phone to finish signing in May 18 03:42:57 stupid sprint May 18 03:43:08 yes!! May 18 03:43:31 wow... I had the HP logo, with the spinning circle flashing in-and-out of the HP logo May 18 03:43:43 I tried to get a video, but was too late.. it went away :/ May 18 03:44:20 ... May 18 03:44:50 it was very weird May 18 03:44:59 * PatrickC looks over shoulder for boogyman May 18 03:46:53 * PatrickC shakes fist at nDrive.. May 18 03:47:16 haha May 18 03:47:17 I'm running an outdated version May 18 03:47:31 they need to update their beta version May 18 03:47:54 bah, beta May 18 03:48:12 its free, with free maps May 18 03:49:00 * PatrickC checks http://beta.ndrive.com to see if there's an update May 18 03:51:08 real men skip beta releases and go straight to gold May 18 03:51:46 yeah, the gold is also $49.99 May 18 03:52:06 hey dkirker May 18 03:52:09 hi PatrickC May 18 03:52:14 * halfhalo sues May 18 03:52:26 * PatrickC wonders for what May 18 03:52:30 hey dkirker. Fiddling with theme graphics for Universe :p May 18 03:52:37 SineOt: oh cool! May 18 03:52:54 * PatrickC needs to fiddle with patches for Universe May 18 03:55:05 * halfhalo has cheese May 18 04:00:36 * PatrickC is going to bed May 18 04:03:39 night all May 18 04:04:55 * PatrickC downloads and turns on Lumberjack for oil May 18 04:08:08 ok, night all May 18 04:18:36 oil: what's isDisrupted in wirc? May 18 04:20:26 SineOt, bug filed, i will get to it some day May 18 04:20:56 but u are the only one who seems to send ctcp's that long May 18 04:21:07 so it hasnt been a pio May 18 04:21:11 prio May 18 04:21:47 PatrickC, isDisrupted is true when your connection is disrupted May 18 04:22:40 lol... lumberjack keeps filing it as an error.. like so: May 18 04:22:41 [2011-05-18 04:12:30] (wIRC) Uncaught TypeError: Object false has no method 'isDisrupted', file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.wirc/app/models/servers.js:37 May 18 04:23:09 file bug report May 18 04:23:33 I will in the morning, once I have the overnight log :) May 18 04:23:49 omfg... finally done with sophomore year May 18 04:23:53 my god that was harsh May 18 04:23:56 redmine link again? (sorry, lost the backlog after updating wirc) May 18 04:24:12 redmine....... May 18 04:24:26 its like every other w-i url May 18 04:24:32 but with redmine at the beginning May 18 04:26:47 sorry May 18 04:26:54 closed the wirc card by mistake May 18 04:27:20 here's another *small* part of the log: May 18 04:27:22 [2011-05-18 04:22:12] (wIRC) Uncaught Error: Could not init result parse. Lib out of date?, file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.wirc/app/models/channel.js:155 May 18 04:29:41 patrickc has the same problems with wirc that I do May 18 04:30:01 ok.. so I'm not alone :) May 18 04:30:10 sometimes it gets stuck connecting or disconnecting and won't die too when you close the last card... jstop or terminal kill to the rescue May 18 04:30:31 I'll have the full log in the morning, ready to email/paste if needed May 18 04:30:41 dwc- jstop ftw!! :) May 18 04:31:19 at times, I've been fed up enough to contemplate pointing wirc at znc or irssi's proxy to see if it's an OS problem or a wirc problem, but haven't gotten around to it yet May 18 04:32:12 * PatrickC isn't smart enough to do that :) May 18 04:32:20 * dwc- should file some wirc bugs and add patches May 18 04:32:37 * PatrickC thinks dwc- should May 18 04:34:23 * oil_pre awaits patches May 18 04:35:21 where's new bug May 18 04:35:29 * PatrickC wonders if this "Add auto-away response support (with toggle)" was/is added May 18 04:35:38 * halfhalo thinks those patches will be done in a shorter amount of time than his were May 18 04:35:46 I'm on the Issues page and I don't see "file a new issue" May 18 04:36:00 * dwc- is a redmine noob... am I blind? May 18 04:36:03 have to be logged in iirc May 18 04:36:07 register May 18 04:36:27 I swear I did... I registered, clicked the link, it prompted me to log in... May 18 04:36:48 hm May 18 04:37:01 * halfhalo whistles May 18 04:37:06 oh.... nevermind May 18 04:37:15 * PatrickC thinks wIRC hates him.. all kinds of error msg's May 18 04:37:20 ok, NOW I'm logged in... May 18 04:37:26 :p May 18 04:37:26 .... but I still don't see the new bug May 18 04:37:41 I'll pastebin/email tomorrow May 18 04:37:48 I'm off to bed *for real* hehe May 18 04:37:52 maybe :P May 18 04:38:56 .... nevermind. it's in the menubar, next to "issues" May 18 04:39:12 * dwc- thinks that is a terrible place for it, UI wise, but is not a UI person. May 18 04:43:32 ask halfhalo all your redmine questions, he is the pro :P May 18 04:44:17 woa now May 18 04:51:14 there you go May 18 04:51:15 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/481 May 18 04:53:51 haha May 18 04:54:30 fancyness with the uploading of files May 18 04:54:52 well, I was going to just copy/paste, but I didn't want to deal with the ^M line endings in the original file ... May 18 04:55:31 I will definitely fix that in the next release May 18 04:55:45 * oil_pre never noticed, I got it set really high May 18 04:56:07 there's an ultra critical ultra important 483 filed too May 18 04:56:34 oh, patch attached? nice May 18 04:56:54 * halfhalo calls shenanigains May 18 04:56:54 yea, for both May 18 04:57:43 trac should redirect... May 18 04:58:02 it 404'd when I wrote the patch May 18 04:58:10 it looks like now it's got the trac "can't find environment" message May 18 04:58:14 well then May 18 04:59:01 afaict, the lag meter doesn't work either May 18 04:59:37 it seems to basically reflect the connection quality of the wifi or data connection, by stealing its icon/color or something May 18 04:59:40 oh? May 18 04:59:57 but I haven' tactually looked at the source to see what it's doing May 18 05:00:11 it pings the server and reports a color based on the time May 18 05:00:39 yea, it displays E or G for me, red/yellow/green that seems to directly reflect my connection strength May 18 05:00:44 same with wifi May 18 05:00:47 afaik,i didn't write that, or the command history May 18 05:01:02 and the color changes even when I can tell from another client that I'm not connected to the server anymore ;) May 18 05:01:11 well, there is this... http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/66 May 18 05:02:00 when I get a chance to look at it again, I probably will... I have the same sorts of trouble patrick seems to have with regards to staying connected, and getting notified about it May 18 05:02:44 but there's a few things I've been poking at since then (trying to get plain text or something close to it email, updating a patch to make 911 calls harder to accidentally make when the screen is pin/password locked) May 18 05:02:46 the server list shows green? May 18 05:03:19 lol May 18 05:03:41 well, I'm not actually logged in with wirc right now May 18 05:04:00 (to freenode) May 18 05:14:15 I'm just wondering if it shows a different status in the server list and we just need to trigger a message into channels about connection being down May 18 05:16:09 oh, yes and no May 18 05:16:45 if the reconnect attempt fails, you are offline and there's often no indication in the channel windows until you try to send something May 18 05:16:58 sometimes I've noticed the usercount turns to 0 but that's tiny May 18 05:17:43 sometimes, both the server window and channel window look normal, but it's really disconnected May 18 05:18:33 and what's the server list show where the connect button is? May 18 05:18:51 which scenario? May 18 05:19:19 either May 18 05:19:57 in the first, it shows disconnected May 18 05:20:22 in the second, it shows some some non-red connection quality, and green connected icon May 18 05:20:26 I'm wondering if we just need to add more messages to server.setstatus ow whatever it is that changes the icon May 18 05:24:23 I don't think it's just the icon, unless the current connection status is ignored ... when I hit the button to disconnect, it does go about its trying to disconnect thing May 18 05:24:41 in the 2nd case, there's no disconnecting/disconnected message in the server window until I ask wirc to disconnect May 18 05:24:55 huh May 18 05:34:57 i want chips... May 18 05:42:11 hmm, preware can't decide which of the two wIRCs to put the "upgrade" icon on May 18 05:42:46 lol May 18 05:43:11 or whether it should be launch/update/remove'd or install'd May 18 05:43:46 remove it, safer for everyone May 18 05:43:59 seems not to be able to decide which wIRC app to show when I click on either of them May 18 05:44:00 patches welcome :) May 18 05:44:06 sometimes I get the catalog'd one, and sometimes not May 18 05:44:35 yeah, we gotta remove that May 18 05:44:45 but it should only join by appis May 18 05:44:53 I think I have more interesting things to find patches for May 18 05:47:06 orly May 18 05:47:28 :/ May 18 05:48:21 real men makes patches on the fly May 18 05:49:23 hey, that's how I tested my original patches.... sed -i in terminus... May 18 05:49:37 with internalz or vi in terminal? haha May 18 05:50:19 which of the webos2 compatible terminals supports both working screen redrawing (not terminus) and the escape key? (not xterm) May 18 05:50:38 (or, I haven't figured out how to make them work yet) May 18 05:50:56 c: none of the above! May 18 05:51:19 lol May 18 05:51:48 I'll have to go to Sunnyvale soon to pick up some "hardware"...that sounds nice! May 18 05:51:58 sugardave: get me some! May 18 05:52:12 well, I"m pretty sure it's my personal stash :) May 18 05:52:25 boo May 18 05:52:40 no boo...yay me! :D May 18 05:53:02 boo unless I benefit from it May 18 05:53:29 if any falls out of your bag in the parking lot, let us know where May 18 05:53:43 who says you won't benefit indirectly from work I get to do on the "hardware" May 18 05:54:00 the future is literally unknown May 18 05:54:12 how will it benifit me _now_ May 18 05:54:25 :p May 18 05:54:27 oh, right...the impatience of youth :P May 18 05:54:27 (oil: bug filed against preware) May 18 05:55:04 redmine has been used more in the past day than ever before! (jk) May 18 05:55:26 dwc-: hopefully I won't lose any...I'm thinking of getting this http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/aaa5/?cpg=froogle May 18 05:56:59 better get some holy water May 18 05:56:59 win May 18 05:57:09 or stuff might randomly disappear out of it May 18 05:57:26 (and you can hold more if it's blessed) May 18 05:57:26 ah, great tip, thanks! May 18 05:58:46 * halfhalo goes sleep for final tomorrow May 18 05:59:00 good luck May 18 05:59:10 have fun! May 18 06:28:49 oil: ok, currently... my other client tells me wirc got disconnected. server list shows it as connected... no message in the server messages window, but the channel window knows I'm not connected (won't let me send), but does have the user count May 18 06:29:43 the lag meter gives me a yellow [E] for edge May 18 06:52:06 * rwhitby puts save/restore loading into a thread May 18 06:55:29 rwhitby: Hey Rod, how goes? May 18 07:56:13 morning May 18 08:34:16 morning swisstomcat May 18 08:50:27 dwc-: merged in your wirc patches :) May 18 08:55:48 hi. Could it be, that glReadPixels works only with power of 2 sizes? May 18 08:57:47 * oil has no clue May 18 09:15:59 morning hotdp May 18 13:43:36 oil: email/paste overnight log? May 18 13:43:42 lots of errors May 18 13:47:11 and oil: I'm still showing the catalog wirc in preware May 18 14:43:20 "just a small town girl.... living in a lonely world!" May 18 14:47:02 best way to ge out of a ticket related to excess noise: say it was journey May 18 15:04:41 what is going on with the download counter in 'My Apps' ? May 18 15:54:00 Hi, had anyone tried to use same custom built shared library in different application? I means only one copy in device for all applications that depend on it May 18 16:03:09 weirenhui: Isn't that the purpose of a shared library?? May 18 16:07:14 yes, But so far as I know, when I install an APP, the private built *.so files will be copy to the installed folder, that means other APP cannot access this folder, so my question is how can I use these *.so files in other APP that installed on device May 18 16:07:28 I dont think thats really the webOS app model. May 18 16:08:15 nope, unless you use homebrew, you aren't allowed to write outside your app May 18 16:09:27 so you means webOS APP must built *.so files that need together with APP in same package to install? May 18 16:09:45 yes May 18 16:09:57 there is no real provision for apps to also install common frameworks. May 18 16:11:12 while potentially useful it has a host of other potential issues. security, versioning, uninstalling. May 18 16:12:07 'everybody gets their own' is an easier to maintain, if less efficient for download / diskspace, model. May 18 16:15:20 yes,that may be the issue, but as I know, android have method to implement these features, different APPs can share some common resources as need. May 18 16:16:41 may be webos concern more about security issues May 18 16:33:54 morning folks May 18 16:34:24 mornings LoneStar99 May 18 16:34:51 morning hotdp May 18 16:41:29 hey May 18 16:44:04 oil: you here? May 18 16:44:10 why is it my boss is always out on the days I actually have to do stuff... May 18 16:44:25 lol May 18 16:44:46 halfhalo: get pulled over today? May 18 16:44:58 no? May 18 16:45:03 best way to ge out of a ticket related to excess noise: say it was journey May 18 16:45:15 well, its true May 18 16:45:21 just wondering what that was about lol May 18 16:45:28 everything May 18 16:45:37 ok.. lol May 18 17:01:53 * halfhalo goes to take bio final May 18 17:10:15 hi all May 18 17:11:06 anybody know the pros and cons with using a pre 2 on tmobile? May 18 17:12:09 ? May 18 17:12:14 germany? May 18 17:12:52 i cant see what the cons would be with a special network May 18 17:13:27 oh, sorry hotdp, i meant tmobile in the usa May 18 17:13:52 running it on tmo in the us just means no 3g nor appcat witout impostah May 18 17:13:58 the only con i know of is that you're stuck with edge for data, but that affects gps connection and all that too right? May 18 17:13:59 no 3G just edge May 18 17:14:46 gps will work May 18 17:15:40 halfhalo... you're in socal? May 18 17:16:04 sorry i usually go by dpivs but i'm irc'ing from work, heheh May 18 17:16:19 yes, socal May 18 17:16:35 * halfhalo will bbiab finals time May 18 17:16:55 that's cool about gps. of course, i guess none of this matters if att buys tmobile. May 18 17:18:44 o_O May 18 17:19:01 facebook title says 'Facebook (4) (6)' never seen that before May 18 17:57:04 dawm_: It's put the number of unread notifications in the titlebar for a while now May 18 17:57:16 no i know that May 18 17:57:20 but i had 2 numbers May 18 17:57:44 unread notifications and messages? May 18 17:57:58 nope May 18 17:58:02 looks like it was a gltich May 18 17:58:02 o May 18 17:58:12 it said (4) (6) but i only have 6 notifications May 18 17:58:21 (4) must have been stuck May 18 17:58:38 and this monitor just took a crap i cant see what im saying May 18 17:59:51 http://jalopnik.com/5803113/watch-pursued-gunman-fire-80-rounds-at-cops-on-freeway May 18 18:03:21 not a problem. not hearing what they're saying doesnt stop alot of people from talking. May 18 18:05:57 does not affect the gps May 18 18:06:08 oh, whoops, he's not here May 18 18:07:10 whats the size limit for websql dbs on ext: ? 30MB? May 18 18:07:39 * oil isnt sure May 18 18:07:51 fail May 18 18:07:54 but if you need more space, prefix it with what, "ext:"? May 18 18:07:55 I've heard 20mb tossed around May 18 18:08:11 wasnt 20mb for db8? May 18 18:08:13 i think non-ext was 1MB or 5MB? May 18 18:08:18 ya, 20MB was db8 May 18 18:08:28 How confusing! :3 May 18 18:08:41 I know I'll need more than that, so starting on ext: but unsure how much to ask for opening the db. May 18 18:08:44 * oil has never made a large sqlite db in any of his apps :/ May 18 18:08:58 its the same, just the name is changed isnt it? May 18 18:09:07 no, its bigger on ext. May 18 18:09:18 ryanwatkins: just make a DB that's like stupid huge, like, request 200mb and see what it says. Repeat until you find how big the limit is May 18 18:09:20 i mean to open it, you just prefix the databases name with ext: May 18 18:09:26 i think 30MB vs 1 or 5MB but not sure. May 18 18:09:44 i'm probably wrong there though May 18 18:10:07 SineOt: yes, could do that but .. yea. May 18 18:10:15 DBClass.prototype.dbName = "ext:drPodderFeeds"; May 18 18:10:17 in drpodder May 18 18:10:22 so any ideas on the limit of localStorate too? May 18 18:10:30 fill it up and see what it does! May 18 18:10:40 yeah, i was thinking about making an app to test its limits May 18 18:10:52 localStorage is awesome May 18 18:10:59 hm, theres an idea I guess I can go looking thru the 3rd party code, just thought someone might know off the top of their head. May 18 18:11:13 i knew to look in drpodder off the top of my head :) May 18 18:11:16 using both - localStorage and websql. May 18 18:11:30 localStorage is 2.x+ only May 18 18:11:32 does enyo still use "prototype? May 18 18:11:34 leaving all the 145 in the dust May 18 18:11:48 ya, thats fine, unlikely to port back to 1.x May 18 18:11:55 LoneStar99: dont think that can be answered here (but i think its no :) May 18 18:12:07 no, no prototype in enyo May 18 18:12:15 soooo much ice everywhere! May 18 18:12:18 I don't think Enyo uses prototype, I remember hearing in one of the presentations that prototype was bundled to mojo to cover holes in the framework May 18 18:12:23 oil --> right on will look up doc later working on prototype that is why May 18 18:12:45 not that you couldnt include it xD May 18 18:12:53 right on May 18 18:13:06 well, you may need to change it to make it work though May 18 18:13:10 ya, thats the better approach, though I've gone w/ underscore.js instead. May 18 18:14:07 underscore is the _bomb_ May 18 18:14:30 all my apps will soon be 100% json so it my mot be that time extensive to migrate code May 18 18:15:07 pretty much all that is stored in app is UI and handler stuff May 18 18:15:59 was leery if there were any lingering issues in the enyo framework with how prototype extends core objects like array, so I opted for underscore instead May 18 18:16:33 probably fine tho May 18 18:20:15 the dudes next 2 me are worse than girls with all the gossip May 18 18:23:47 Oooh what are they gossiping about :3 May 18 18:33:51 not sure some co-worker and her dad not really sure May 18 18:34:29 Sounds juicy May 18 18:35:24 lol, they just keep on laughing May 18 18:37:05 LoneStar99 where do you work? May 18 18:38:09 hotdp: no clue May 18 18:38:26 at some coffee shop, they are dressed in jeans May 18 18:38:35 ohh May 18 18:38:39 Oh man, Starbucks gossip is the BEST May 18 18:38:47 You hear so much absolutely weird stuff May 18 18:38:57 like apples! May 18 18:39:23 lol, at "it's a grind" coffee shop May 18 18:39:41 The weirdest I've heard was like, apparently one of them got arrested for domestic abuse/child abuse and was all like I DIDN'T KNOW HITTING SOMEONE WOULD BE THAT BAD May 18 18:40:40 heh May 18 18:40:52 omg May 18 18:41:04 did they look like someone that hit children? May 18 18:41:05 SineOt: wow, that is crazy LOL May 18 18:41:14 why you'd have that conversation, loudly, out on the patio at a Starbucks? WHO KNOWSSS May 18 18:41:28 not really? it was two middle aged women May 18 18:43:05 can't be worse than this past saturday, was eating lunch and less than 100 feet from me a 80+ year old man shoots his 52 year old wife dead at 2 in the afternoon May 18 18:43:21 downtown san diego May 18 18:43:21 that's kind of hardcore May 18 18:43:36 eh, she probably had it comin? May 18 18:43:54 yeah forsure --> did not see the shooting but was in the middle of the block where it all happened May 18 18:44:13 hehehe May 18 18:44:22 oil i think your right May 18 18:44:35 I am making this face IRL >:C May 18 18:44:43 lol May 18 18:45:50 * halfhalo thinks you all need help May 18 18:45:54 on a side note: FreeTether is awesome May 18 18:46:06 you all need ponies. It's like, impossible to not be happy with ponies :I May 18 18:46:46 * oil begs to differ May 18 18:46:57 unless ponies is code for alcohol May 18 18:47:17 in that case, ponies for EVERYONE May 18 18:47:21 heh May 18 18:47:26 oil: should I attach a .txt file to the bug report? May 18 18:47:54 you know you can post information on the internet and link it here even when im not here, right? May 18 18:47:57 well hey ponies and alcohol go great together May 18 18:48:16 oil: don't lie. the irc servers shutoff when you leave May 18 18:48:22 ok.. I'll take that as a yes lol May 18 18:48:27 * halfhalo is playing with http://www.masswerk.at/termlib/sample_chrome.html May 18 18:49:34 Cool. 0.23mbps down, 0.27mbps up, 347ms ping. May 18 18:49:36 * PatrickC is cleaning May 18 18:49:39 haha May 18 18:49:44 what's that sineot? May 18 18:49:53 faster than dialup May 18 18:49:57 My current internet speeds. May 18 18:50:04 * ryanwatkins thinks he should post links here and see how many people use Chrome w/ cross domain or file access security disabled. May 18 18:50:20 Wifi took a dump so I'm on Bluetooth tethered to my Pixi. May 18 18:50:22 * oil remembers not to click links ryanwatkins posts May 18 18:50:44 lol May 18 18:50:56 * PatrickC hopes preware works fine now May 18 18:51:00 "check this out its really funny" May 18 18:51:03 riiiiiigh May 18 18:51:27 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1301988372.png May 18 18:51:31 oh look let me log into your BofA accnt ... May 18 18:52:04 feel free, i dont have bofa May 18 18:52:05 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1301981742.png Grade; F May 18 18:52:09 * PatrickC steals halfhalo's internet connection May 18 18:52:28 I'm sure we could automate a script to work it for all kinds of good sites. May 18 18:52:29 * halfhalo notes he is limited by the 100Mb/s hub on his desk May 18 18:52:33 "Slower then 95% of the USA" May 18 18:52:41 maybe poke around for intersting files on your hard drive. May 18 18:52:44 BUT FASTER THEN 5% HAHA May 18 18:52:54 oh, there is lots of those May 18 18:53:08 * PatrickC doesn't connect from his PC a lot May 18 18:53:09 :) May 18 18:53:55 * SineOt has like a billion animated gifs of ponies, kittens, or kittens+weed because that tumblr is amazing May 18 18:54:30 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1301991988.png May 18 18:54:34 you know SineOt my work charges $39.95 a month for that speed...latency is a lot better though May 18 18:55:12 sooo... being limited by the speedtest servers again May 18 18:55:19 I can only hope that if Sprint gets new webOS hardware, that it supports WiMax. May 18 18:55:51 http://speedtest.net/result/1301993619.png May 18 18:55:54 ^^ pre2 May 18 18:56:16 SineOt: yes! May 18 18:56:37 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1301995724.png << being limited by speedtest May 18 18:57:08 Faster then 99% of the USA May 18 18:57:09 :'( May 18 18:57:30 oh shit, gotta go help people move May 18 18:57:37 hah May 18 18:57:39 have fun oil May 18 18:57:41 but they're my grandparents, so its not so bad :) May 18 18:57:59 that's good :) May 18 18:58:14 phone is maxing wifi right now as well.. May 18 18:58:31 * oil brings up dev portal on phone so he can continue to refresh the submission page May 18 18:59:07 20Mb/s on phone... stupid wireless g May 18 18:59:45 indeed May 18 19:03:04 Theory on why the Veer launch campaign is slated to start in the "coming weeks" instead of now: MASSIVE blitz focusing on how the Veer and Touchpad work together May 18 19:06:40 it's waiting on the other two devices May 18 19:07:23 basically May 18 19:07:53 mmmm.... fooood May 18 19:08:15 butttt that also I think puts the TouchPad at early june rather than later june May 18 19:08:22 should be a TouchPad release pool XD May 18 19:08:50 :) May 18 19:09:13 * PatrickC yells at pre "Charge!!!! Charge!!!" May 18 19:09:58 man, downloading those maps takes up tons of battery May 18 19:10:30 this is why we have wifi May 18 19:10:36 Why wouldn't it? You're running the wireless hardware constantly May 18 19:10:41 * PatrickC is on wifi May 18 19:10:53 2.3GB of maps is to much May 18 19:10:58 meh May 18 19:11:01 not reary May 18 19:11:12 I don't need the Virgin Islands and all those other things May 18 19:11:35 I need the Continental US + Alaska and Hawaii May 18 19:11:41 * halfhalo should buy a 64gb microsd card May 18 19:12:04 and use it in your pre? May 18 19:12:24 sure, let's go with that May 18 19:12:47 does the Pre2 have microSD? May 18 19:12:53 pre3* May 18 19:12:56 dot dot dot May 18 19:12:57 no May 18 19:13:04 May 18 19:13:30 dang May 18 19:13:36 the touchpad does, right? May 18 19:13:46 * PatrickC doesn't feel like googling right now May 18 19:14:34 nope May 18 19:14:58 it should May 18 19:15:02 they both should May 18 19:15:03 brb May 18 19:15:32 why May 18 19:15:43 WHY NOT May 18 19:16:03 I'd rather have a device equipped with something like Thunderbolt and fast flash memory! May 18 19:16:24 except... no device does yet May 18 19:16:31 so.... there May 18 19:16:35 Also LOL at Sony using USB as their Thunderbolt connector. Of all the connectors to chose they pick the worst of the bunch May 18 19:16:57 I would prever usb over dp May 18 19:17:31 Mini-DP at least gives you both a display connector and Thunderbolt, and it isn't rotationally symmetrical May 18 19:18:37 usb TB can (well, should, can't recall if anything can yet) do displays as well May 18 19:19:42 Should, yeah, but then you've got to have another connector to get something useable out of it May 18 19:19:50 you know what would jumpstart TB like crazy? next iphone had the connector May 18 19:19:53 monitors don't exactly ship with DP over USB May 18 19:20:00 yes they do May 18 19:20:14 a pretty good amount of them do anywho May 18 19:20:26 with USB ports? or with DP ports May 18 19:20:32 usb May 18 19:20:43 with an internal usb to dp chip May 18 19:20:50 the _same_ chip really May 18 19:20:52 in all of them May 18 19:20:54 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1302029827.png May 18 19:20:56 huh! May 18 19:21:29 let's try the other server nearby May 18 19:21:37 by no means is it fast enough on pure usb, but the tech is there May 18 19:21:54 hm, now it's trying an SF server ... I was going to try the other one < 5 miles from here May 18 19:22:15 brb May 18 19:22:26 * halfhalo hit a high of 80Mb/s before going back to the hub May 18 19:22:42 * PatrickC steals halfhalo's hub May 18 19:22:58 the cheap 5 dollar 100Mb hub? why... May 18 19:23:05 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1302033115.png (monkeybrains) May 18 19:23:13 cause I have a 3MB/s dl at the PC May 18 19:23:15 because hubs are useful for debugging May 18 19:23:21 unless you have fancy switches with rspan May 18 19:23:45 * Loudergood still thinks wireless routers need to come with collision lights May 18 19:24:01 just got the hub so that I could stick my other laptop on the wired network at work without dealing with central it May 18 19:24:16 collisions should only be applicable on the wireless segment May 18 19:24:29 * PatrickC needs a haircut.. but likes his hair the way it is May 18 19:24:42 PatrickC, I don't think you get how a hub works May 18 19:24:51 nope May 18 19:25:01 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1302035937.png (smugmug) May 18 19:25:02 but if its 100Mb/s.. I want it :P May 18 19:25:03 a hub won't help with 3mb/s dl at the pC May 18 19:25:23 it will if he has a 10bt hub now ;) May 18 19:25:43 dang May 18 19:25:47 non gigabit things make me sad May 18 19:25:54 brb again, I'll upload a screenshot of the issue May 18 19:26:16 I was wiring up my media stuff in my room and noticed the dvr only had one gigabit connection, the other was 100Mb May 18 19:26:19 my PC is currently "limited" by the 100mbit ports on the voip phone it's chained through :( May 18 19:27:14 1 second.. I'll have that wIRC bug screenshot May 18 19:27:30 I love how one of my wireless routers is all like "ZOMG I CAN DO 300Mb/S!!!!" but only has 100Mb/s ethernet ports... which sorta defeats the purpose May 18 19:27:51 well, you can do 300Mbits to the other wireless clients May 18 19:28:09 or... bond the ethernet ports together.... May 18 19:28:14 yeah, when pigs fly and im on top of the router May 18 19:28:24 or serve 100mbits to 3 different machines May 18 19:28:26 http://s1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/?action=view¤t=wirc_2011-18-05_142239.png May 18 19:28:43 Right now I have two of em bonded together and tied to the main wifi router May 18 19:28:49 * halfhalo has many wifi routers May 18 19:29:04 how many? May 18 19:29:10 active? 5 May 18 19:29:31 in one room :p May 18 19:29:35 * PatrickC has 1 *real* wifi router, and its going bad May 18 19:29:37 lol May 18 19:29:41 all of them WDS'd together so that the throughput goes to shit from the interference ;) May 18 19:30:32 two of em were supposed to be used as gigabit routers only but amazon lied to me, so now they are dedicated to non important stuff IE everything I don't use May 18 19:31:16 another is dedicated to smartphones because they don't like to play nice, another to pure b/g devices, and the last is 450Mb/s of sweet, sweet n-ness May 18 19:31:31 oh, forgot the printer one May 18 19:32:04 daaaaaang May 18 19:32:40 their all in my room since my house is not wired for cat5 May 18 19:36:22 * halfhalo has.... issues with wifi stuff May 18 19:53:03 Huh. Interesting stuff about new devices being found in app logs. May 18 19:53:09 http://www.palmpre-france.com/Exclu-Un-TouchPad-avec-clavier-physique-un-smartphone-Pre-sans-clavier-et-le-Pre-3-qui-pointe-le-bout-de-son-nez-_a802.html May 18 20:06:52 how do i get such a app log as app developer? May 18 20:07:23 you make it May 18 20:07:48 sineot, im pretty sure thats the emulator.. May 18 20:08:24 but i will look in my logs May 18 20:09:10 i have better :) May 18 20:10:02 i have a hit thats almost identical to the 2nd image May 18 20:10:07 different serial number tho May 18 20:10:22 and carrierAvailable: false May 18 20:10:33 non 3g touchpad ill assume May 18 20:12:30 http://pastebin.com/Y3NHknca May 18 20:14:21 wow, its played my game 13 times.. that either means it works in 3.0 or it doesnt May 18 20:20:01 dawm_: the answer would have been: with Mojo.Environment as I see now May 18 20:20:10 oh yah May 18 20:20:12 ;) May 18 20:20:16 i thought you meant the hard part ofit ;p May 18 20:21:00 dawm_: you created a game? which one? May 18 20:21:09 swap & drop May 18 20:21:15 dawm_: i assume, that you are not the inventor of angry birds? :) May 18 20:21:17 previously Prejeweled May 18 20:21:19 no May 18 20:21:21 i wish May 18 20:21:22 ah okay, cool! May 18 20:21:47 did you change the name because you got into problems with the bejeweled guys? May 18 20:22:35 no cause palm doesnt like device named apps May 18 20:22:45 PreJeweled would be thought to only work on the pre May 18 20:22:58 ah okay May 18 21:35:15 * PatrickC GOT TO DRIVE TODAY!!! :D May 18 21:38:01 OH MY GOD May 18 21:38:06 we're all gonna die May 18 21:39:01 haha wow May 18 21:40:50 PatrickC: Of course, you did leave your phones at home, didn't you? :D May 18 21:41:17 mmm... this can't be good... it smells like electrical smoke... May 18 21:41:25 good times... May 18 21:41:35 NuttyBunny: why would I do that? :) May 18 21:41:40 it's not my laptop, so, Im good May 18 21:41:56 is it the plus? May 18 21:42:54 no, maybe it's my brain :) May 18 21:43:02 mooooo May 18 21:43:25 * halfhalo is bored but can't go home due to final at 5:30 May 18 21:44:06 certificate.c:401: error: 'PurpleCertificateScheme' has no member named 'import_certificates' *sigh* May 18 21:44:34 I should find out if there is any benefit for me to try to go to one of the touchpad thingies May 18 21:44:37 mental note: First try THE SAME VERSION, and when it works, try to update May 18 21:44:52 update what? May 18 21:44:54 halfhalo: you may grab one in a Oprah moment ;) May 18 21:45:07 pidgin, libpurple, the plugins May 18 21:45:22 fbchat? :) May 18 21:47:15 wth do I put for professional title... May 18 21:48:12 Halfling May 18 21:48:23 lol May 18 21:48:50 registered May 18 21:49:07 * halfhalo shall enjoy the drive up May 18 21:49:24 * dohtem is so confused on what we can discuss and what we can't anymore May 18 21:49:43 so you can say you are going to the event but you can't say you have access to Enyo? May 18 21:49:58 umm... yes? May 18 21:50:34 yes.. May 18 21:50:51 halfhalo: not attacking you, a few others on twitter are too. :) May 18 21:51:00 Anyone have some 5300 DDR2 SO-DIMMs hanging around? :I May 18 21:51:23 What's Enyo? May 18 21:52:18 exactly... May 18 21:52:58 * DocLee looks around with shifty eyes May 18 21:52:59 I think I do. May 18 21:53:30 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Computers-Promotions/HP+Touchpad+Highlights/pcmcat241300050028.c?id=pcmcat241300050028 <- Touchpad! May 18 21:54:25 DocLee: You do not talk about fight club May 18 21:54:31 Hey Adora! May 18 21:57:19 hey acarrico May 18 21:57:22 er, Adora May 18 21:57:24 durp durp May 18 21:57:38 lol May 18 21:58:12 hellooooooooo May 18 21:58:39 So, we all had a group vote and we voted that you should give everyone here a touchpad May 18 21:59:41 uh huh May 18 21:59:59 * halfhalo whistles May 18 22:00:06 true story. The vote was unanimous! May 18 22:00:50 Man, why is DDR2 so expensive now. :B May 18 22:01:27 SineOt: I might have 2 512MB sticks. Not sure if I threw them out May 18 22:01:48 Adora: are you going to be part of the touchpad dev events? May 18 22:02:10 This Macbook has 1GB in it now, but it's almost painful to use with her use habits. I'm wanting to at least max it out to 3GB, or even 2… It's just hard to find cheap DDR2 these days. May 18 22:02:26 Lots of places want what I paid for an 8GB DDR3 kit for a 2GB DDR2 kit. :I May 18 22:02:36 haha yeah I've notices that osx doesn't like you to close programs May 18 22:03:17 Actually, it looks like prices have tended downwards a bit. May 18 22:03:41 Loudergood: It's more that she never shuts it down, just sleeps it, so it thrashes a ton because the swap/virtual memory gets MASSIVE May 18 22:05:37 need workshop in new york May 18 22:06:12 Too cold May 18 22:10:01 how do I convert the following --> {"pts": [{"u":"","yd":"","xd":"","y":"135,121,144,140,162,167,169,171","x":"84,82,86,85,93,96,97,97"}]} INTO an array --> May 18 22:10:16 * PatrickC got here too late to beg for touchpads for everyone in the channel :/ May 18 22:10:33 just need to convert "84,82,86,85,93,96,97,97" into ARRAY May 18 22:11:09 var arr1 = new Array(x); does not work May 18 22:11:30 obj.pts[0].x.split(","); May 18 22:11:57 ryanwatkins: ok thanks let me try that May 18 22:13:15 tell the idiot who generated that crap to fix it... :) May 18 22:13:44 stbuehler: you mean the JSON? May 18 22:14:01 yeah May 18 22:15:20 jsonObj.pts[0].x = jsonObj.pts[0].x.split(","); // there, crap fixed too May 18 22:15:39 ok thanks May 18 22:16:03 cheater :D May 18 22:16:11 ;) May 18 22:16:15 lol May 18 22:18:15 this is my original pastebin --> still can not figure it out.... http://pastebin.com/0ngwpghC May 18 22:18:52 or the more complete fix this crappy data : http://pastebin.com/Hu6Ab0fJ May 18 22:18:52 hard coding the numbers works fiine, but not dynamically May 18 22:19:22 ryanwatkins: lol, yeah it is crappy data, but it is the only way it will work May 18 22:19:50 no such paste ID May 18 22:20:40 sorry expired ---> new http://pastebin.com/FPxD2mzM May 18 22:23:20 you want two arrays, one of all the x values and one of all the y values? or each pt has an x and y which are each arrays, not strings? May 18 22:24:00 assuming there are multiple pts May 18 22:24:49 i need two arrays one for X and other for Y May 18 22:29:42 http://pastebin.com/dAeemAV7 May 18 22:29:48 the second one then May 18 22:29:54 ok thanks May 18 22:32:01 ryanwatkins: ok let me try that May 18 22:35:37 ha, john gruber is 'testing' a Veer w/ shoutout to Carbon and BadKitty May 18 22:44:53 ryanwatkins: weird, but still can;t get this shit to work... been like 3 hours... May 18 22:53:31 Can anyone look at this and help me please? http://pastebin.com/hDqz9UNc May 18 22:55:28 LoneStar99: typo in my code - make sure to close the forEach(); May 18 22:55:39 http://pastebin.com/dAeemAV7 May 18 22:58:27 http://pastebin.com/GHiBCVFr May 18 22:59:11 Yeah I know I can do that but is there anyway to do it without having a separate function? May 18 23:00:41 ryanwatkins: yeah thanks get the syntax fixed May 18 23:02:59 then bind it directly when defining the function May 18 23:03:05 time for me to go write my own js May 18 23:04:36 onSuccess: function(response).bind(this) { ? May 18 23:05:29 thanks ryanwatkins May 18 23:06:12 onSuccess: function(response) { }.bind(this); May 18 23:06:22 thanks May 18 23:19:45 um May 18 23:19:47 http://www.precentral.net/magnetic-shaving-derby May 18 23:19:51 what? May 18 23:20:27 I.... I... I... May 18 23:21:05 hi friend, hi friend, hi friend, hi friend May 18 23:21:24 wow.......... May 18 23:21:37 lol May 18 23:22:31 * halfhalo has lost faith in humanity May 18 23:22:41 Logs Give Evidence of the Slab Phone and Tablet that has a Physical Keyboard? @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/logs-give-evidence-of-the-slab-phone-and-tablet-that-has-a-physical-keyboard/ May 18 23:22:59 Logs can lie, you know May 18 23:23:07 yeah May 18 23:23:14 but they can also tell the truth May 18 23:23:40 truth is overrated May 18 23:24:06 http://pastebin.com/Y3NHknca May 18 23:24:08 er May 18 23:28:07 I'd like to see a tablet with a physical keyboard May 18 23:28:24 (laptop) May 18 23:28:25 lol May 18 23:28:45 Maybe they're working on a touchscreen webos laptop? May 18 23:28:47 O.o May 18 23:30:55 well...they totally missed the part where it says dock mode enabled May 18 23:31:32 oh lol May 18 23:31:37 So it's just a touchpad docked May 18 23:31:44 It's probably just a touchpad with the keyboard paired to it May 18 23:31:46 actually they both have that... May 18 23:32:05 www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/712737/angry-birds-brought-to-lifegigantic-and-playable/ May 18 23:32:29 Given the 5CLxxx serials, I'm assuming they're very early test devices and not really things that will actually get produced May 18 23:32:54 given that they refer to themselves as Device and (Device) as the emulator does May 18 23:32:59 i dunno if their even devices :P May 18 23:33:23 I think the emulator got fixed finally in 2.1 to actually report Emulator though, didn't it? May 18 23:34:01 either way if it was the emulator, why the two differing serial numbers? May 18 23:34:19 i dunno, theres more than 2 serials May 18 23:35:09 Yeah, there's 5CLED10930 and 5CLFE40217 for the unknown devices, and MTREAB31CF01CQ for the Pre3 May 18 23:39:38 ive got a pre3 May 18 23:39:41 but no device info May 18 23:39:44 from ages ago May 18 23:44:48 hmm that 320x480 one has dockModeEnabled set to True also. Could that mean it's on a touchstone? May 18 23:47:14 could be May 18 23:48:00 PuffTheMagic: i think the next thing for the plugin (or possibly mojo) is to fix that click connect it never connects bug May 18 23:49:27 that would be nice May 18 23:57:48 hey Adora wirc has been resubmitted again xD May 18 23:58:06 hopefully puffy did the plugin right this time and we can get to an actual reviewer May 18 23:59:05 is there any solid definition of what a "webOS PC" is yet May 19 00:05:09 webOS running in a browser May 19 00:06:13 is there a researched and viable strategy behind that May 19 00:06:15 or is it just May 19 00:06:18 webos running in a browser May 19 00:12:06 That's all that they've said so far. It'll be a browser window that you open up on Windows and runs webOS. May 19 00:14:17 twbbas: mojo/enyo apps, not full webOS May 19 00:15:10 yeah but they said pdk may be worked in somehow May 19 00:15:24 doubtful though May 19 00:25:56 i did the plugin right last time May 19 00:32:04 Aha!! so, I did it again! I got here and answered a question with a complete lack of background info? ... argh, I really should stop doing that ;) May 19 00:54:21 ah, no, I was right in my assumtions May 19 01:08:36 NuttyBunny: they haven't said that non-mojo/enyo apps would not be working either. Though you may well turn out to be right, it needn't necessarily be so May 19 01:18:11 madnificent: unless they throw some sort of arm emulator in the browser window, pdk/hybrid apps won't work unless recompiled :) May 19 01:21:38 :( May 19 01:27:40 hey guys, have a quick db8 question May 19 01:28:36 what does it mean when db8 gives you an error that says quota reach when you try to put to db8 May 19 01:31:02 I would guess it means you reached the quota? May 19 01:32:07 the 20MB quota? May 19 01:32:22 it's only 20mb for all apps including the built in ones May 19 01:32:32 damnit May 19 01:32:37 probably a smaller limit per app May 19 01:32:59 it's only meant for just type and triggering node May 19 01:33:09 not as sqlite replacement May 19 01:34:03 yeah if it's gonna be crippled like that May 19 01:35:41 it's unfortunate May 19 01:38:08 lol May 19 01:38:12 oh well, at least I still have the Depot backup in there May 19 01:40:11 oh but there's the other problem with Depot.get being slow on 2.x... May 19 01:41:41 they really must not have tested 2.x May 19 01:42:14 * halfhalo gets out the magic blame ball May 19 01:42:44 Survey says... blame the hippies May 19 01:43:10 someone needs to give those hippies a jobs May 19 01:43:36 lazy hippies May 19 01:46:16 * halfhalo is out of coke... but on the bright side, has 4 finals down and one to go May 19 01:53:53 http://www.doxdesk.com/img/updates/20091116-so-large.gif May 19 02:13:23 oh... oh god May 19 02:16:16 lol May 19 02:16:25 -1 not enough jquery May 19 02:16:41 netflix May 19 02:16:43 on my phone May 19 02:16:48 this will not end well May 19 02:18:23 that question makes me want to post "how do you add numbers in jquery?" May 19 02:41:23 * PatrickC walks in May 19 02:42:06 omg May 19 02:42:11 to a bar? May 19 02:42:15 my mouse is pissing me off May 19 02:42:22 sic the cat on it May 19 02:42:33 halfhalo: don't feed it for a few days May 19 02:42:58 grr.. now wirc tells me there's an update :/ May 19 02:43:39 oil: catalog version still in preware.. just didn't know if you tried to fix that yet :) May 19 02:44:06 wth May 19 02:44:09 mouse was off... May 19 02:44:56 then.. it turned on? May 19 02:45:11 dwc- how'd those patches turn out? May 19 02:45:18 ? May 19 02:46:01 PatrickC: turn off the testing feed will fix that May 19 02:46:02 weren't you doing some patches for wirc? May 19 02:46:18 oh, yea, they should have made it into 0.13.3 May 19 02:46:19 are you the person who was experiencing the same problems I was? May 19 02:46:29 I can't imagine that we are the only two May 19 02:46:31 rwhitby: then I don't get the other testing feed goodies May 19 02:46:57 yeah, I don't think we're the only people having those issues May 19 02:46:57 correct. it's a testing feed, you should expect breakage. May 19 02:46:59 but if you take out the testing feed, you don't get to see that preware bug :p May 19 02:47:15 what preware bug? lol May 19 02:47:24 oh.. nm May 19 02:47:34 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/485 May 19 02:48:17 rwhitby: I expect breakage, but oil said last night that it shouldn't be downloaded, and was gonna be removed.. was just wondering if the feeds saw a ghost, or it wasn't removed yet May 19 02:48:51 did oil_pre give you a timeframe for removal? May 19 02:49:08 if I build an app that needs to periodically wake up and sync in the background - I assume i need to use 'nowindow' May 19 02:49:29 does that mean I must make a dashboard visible when syncing, or my app will get terminated? May 19 02:49:31 rwhitby: no May 19 02:49:52 ryanwatkins: save/restore does periodic actions, and is open source. May 19 02:52:11 * oil_pre doesn't know how to remove it from the testing feed May 19 02:52:37 * PatrickC gets an error when trying to login to his CPannel... May 19 02:52:38 Sorry for the inconvenience! May 19 02:52:38 n that partition. May 19 02:52:45 PatrickC: then you should expect it in the coming months ... May 19 02:52:54 do you have a public repo up, or do i need to download and unpack the app? May 19 02:52:56 rwhitby: heh May 19 02:53:02 ryanwatkins: git.webos-internals.org May 19 02:53:24 rwhitby: thx May 19 02:53:40 error gone.. weird **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 19 02:59:58 2011