**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 19 02:59:58 2011 May 19 03:20:11 Ah, it is nice when I'm discussing phones with other staff and something like "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart" gets a "That's cool!" reaction. May 19 03:21:39 You mean for dev mode? May 19 03:21:47 Yes. May 19 03:22:02 The guy in question has a jailbroken iphone. May 19 03:22:39 And knows what the Konami code is. May 19 03:22:45 :) May 19 03:22:58 one of these days, none of the kids will know what the konami code is May 19 03:23:31 you mean "webos20090606" or "##3386633#" ? May 19 03:24:10 I found Vonnegut, Salinger, and Tommy Tutone references in the phone app when I was poking at it the other day May 19 03:25:35 Pretty much everyone I know either jailbreaks their iPhone or roots their Android device. It is nice being able to say "I don't have to go through that shit". May 19 03:26:51 ^ May 19 03:27:03 ^^ May 19 03:27:51 Now if only the appcat restrictions were lifted for .au... May 19 03:28:00 I don't know many that do May 19 03:28:32 I know many that do May 19 03:29:00 I think most of the people I know that buy iphones just want them to work and deal with it when it doesn't May 19 03:29:02 all the writers for TechSpheria do May 19 03:29:10 Generally speaking, I'd say the higher the percentage of geeks you hang around the more likely somebody is to do that. May 19 03:29:44 yep :) May 19 03:30:00 * PatrickC writes for TechSpheria May 19 03:30:36 swengs for goog... neither iphone nor androids were rooted May 19 03:30:50 field tech for att... unrooted iphones May 19 03:30:56 co-workers (programmers) ... unrooted iphones May 19 03:32:14 work for a mobile development company - most dont root their ios or android devices either May 19 03:32:27 oh yea, I know a guy who was carrying around 5 different phones at any one time May 19 03:32:33 none of those were rooted either ;) May 19 03:32:44 i have 4 in my shoulder bag right now May 19 03:32:55 he had strong opinions about which of the android devices he had was the worst May 19 03:33:34 pre2, nexus s, iphone 3g and some WinPhone7 thing that i dont recall the model. May 19 03:33:44 3gs May 19 03:33:44 * PatrickC has 4 phones.. but only carries 2 May 19 03:35:18 * Hendikins has 3 phones, carries 2. May 19 03:35:30 1 w/o a sim card at the moment, but carry all back n forth to work each day May 19 03:35:45 * dwc- has a pre2 and the razr that predated it, and carries only the pre2 May 19 03:36:00 My work supplied phone is a Nokia 6120 Classic. I use a Pre+ instead with cellular data off. My personal phone is a Pre2. May 19 03:36:32 put my work sim from an iphone into a pre2 :) May 19 03:36:33 I'm fine with having the Pre+ sync over wifi when I get home. May 19 03:37:12 ryanwatkins: :) May 19 03:57:58 * halfhalo carries one phone May 19 03:58:00 LIKE A NORMAL PERSON May 19 03:58:04 (usually) May 19 03:58:17 lol May 19 03:58:46 * PatrickC carries 2 cause he prefers to use the pre2.. but needs the original pre for a regular phone May 19 03:59:14 * halfhalo has never hears of TechSpheria before May 19 03:59:24 its How's My App May 19 03:59:34 they changed the name May 19 03:59:42 never hear of that either May 19 03:59:51 well.. not many people have May 19 04:00:03 outside of iOS May 19 04:00:13 they are a *big* iOS site May 19 04:00:21 * halfhalo writes for notebookreview and storagereview, and pcgamingcorner and theoretically gadgetsurge and notebook-cooling May 19 04:00:32 lol May 19 04:00:50 * PatrickC writes for TehSpheria and Awesome App Reviews May 19 04:01:08 * halfhalo gets paid to write. he wins May 19 04:01:26 * PatrickC does it for fun. he wins May 19 04:01:32 50C a word May 19 04:01:36 why's the http://techspheria.com/writers/ page tell me about PSN May 19 04:02:27 and the policy page too May 19 04:02:56 well.. they are a tech blog, they write about all things tech :) May 19 04:03:05 they started out as an iOS only site though May 19 04:03:57 no, thats def a bug May 19 04:04:05 EVERYthing has that post May 19 04:04:39 yeah May 19 04:04:47 I just emailed the owner May 19 04:04:52 http://everything2.com/ May 19 04:05:51 ok.. May 19 04:06:03 everything2 is still around? May 19 04:06:28 * PatrickC has never heard of everything2 May 19 04:06:46 05-18 20:54 * halfhalo carries one phone May 19 04:06:46 05-18 20:54 < halfhalo> LIKE A NORMAL PERSON May 19 04:06:48 +1 May 19 04:06:51 everythign2 has been around since back when slashdot was relevant May 19 04:07:06 bemjb: When I was at scale I had all of them with me May 19 04:07:07 I'm kinda amazed everything2 still exists May 19 04:07:11 slashdot? May 19 04:07:17 oh dear... May 19 04:07:21 OH May 19 04:07:22 MY May 19 04:07:22 halfhalo: scale is different May 19 04:07:23 Trashdot?: May 19 04:07:23 GOD May 19 04:07:25 SERIOUSLY May 19 04:07:27 ROTFLOL May 19 04:07:30 hehehe May 19 04:07:45 good times... the soothing green glow May 19 04:07:46 * bemjb probably stopped reading slashdot before PatrickC could read. May 19 04:07:48 * dwc- fetches his cane May 19 04:07:53 * dwc- hobbles around a bit May 19 04:08:02 Is there a way to open the app catalog to a search for a keyword instead of opening to a specific app? May 19 04:08:33 I have a quick action to that on just type, I don't know when it appeared tho May 19 04:08:36 bemjb: I'm adding a new phone or two to my stable on friday as well. Getting the Samsung focus and maybe the veer. Should make things more interesting May 19 04:09:12 halfhalo: ah, I remember back before we had 2 kids and I could just randomly buy new toys... May 19 04:09:31 * Hendikins is young, single, and randomly buys new toys. May 19 04:09:35 Its not random... ditching sprint for att May 19 04:09:37 just let one of them break your toys... time to buy a new one ;) May 19 04:09:51 * halfhalo has 80 dollars worth of change to help pay for it May 19 04:10:05 NuttyBunny: I meant in the code of an app. Like how you can open up catalog to the paid version of your app but I want to open it to a search term. May 19 04:10:42 aaah, yes, i read that yesterday I think May 19 04:10:50 halfhalo: ah. ATT tends to be pretty good outside of San Francisco. Sadly, I work in San Francisco. May 19 04:10:53 halfhalo, you just got on AT&T, right? May 19 04:10:59 no, moving friday May 19 04:11:12 Samsung Infuse... May 19 04:11:24 bemjb: ends up being cheaper for me than sprint as well, which works good, but no service at home, work, or school May 19 04:11:33 NOOOOO ANDROID FOR ME ANYMORE! BOOO May 19 04:11:57 DO IT! May 19 04:12:11 * halfhalo no likes android May 19 04:12:33 twbbas: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=13683 May 19 04:12:46 * PatrickC don't like anything but webos May 19 04:12:54 * NuttyBunny only uses android on his Pre, for testing May 19 04:13:00 I'm an equal opportunity disliker May 19 04:13:50 NuttyBunny: That opens to a specific app's page though, correct? I'm looking to launch the app catalog to the search page for "twitter", for example. May 19 04:14:16 nooooo android for meee.... May 19 04:14:21 aaaaaaaaah!!... no May 19 04:14:25 well, gotta go! May 19 04:14:40 no as in I can't do it? May 19 04:14:48 or no to someone else May 19 04:14:50 :D May 19 04:14:58 halfhalo: no service at home, work, or school? Shit, it had BETTER be cheaper. May 19 04:15:03 cya nuttybunny May 19 04:15:16 bemjb: no, SPRINT has no service there. ATT does May 19 04:16:00 halfhalo: ah. In that case, ATT FTW. (despite the fact that ATT tends to be more evil than sprint, but what carrier isn't evil?) May 19 04:16:23 tmobile! oh wait. they're selling out to evil. May 19 04:16:35 if I find I don't need all the txt messages or the gps, its 25 cheaper a month, else just 5 May 19 04:16:48 All carriers are evil. May 19 04:16:49 oh, tmobile is still evil. They're just a lesser evil. May 19 04:17:03 tmobile is AWESOME Here May 19 04:17:08 gps should still work... or do you mean the at&t nav? May 19 04:17:08 Like, beyond awesome May 19 04:17:14 att nav May 19 04:17:15 The one I'm using in Australia is generally accepted as the root of all evil in Australian telecommunications, but it it just too hard to argue with their network. May 19 04:17:18 for winphone May 19 04:17:39 and maybe pre2 May 19 04:17:40 bah winphone May 19 04:17:56 omg netflix on superamoled May 19 04:18:11 * halfhalo died May 19 04:18:20 Last WinCE device I used was a Treo Pro. May 19 04:18:26 ohyeah... my amoled May 19 04:18:50 my android is superamoled May 19 04:18:59 buuuttt... has issues at higher brigthness levels May 19 04:19:56 Get the Infuse... May 19 04:20:06 nein May 19 04:20:07 niet May 19 04:20:09 nunca May 19 04:20:10 no May 19 04:20:10 Do it. May 19 04:20:12 no android May 19 04:20:15 not another May 19 04:20:18 I can't take it May 19 04:20:27 hahaha May 19 04:21:11 and the ONLY android phone i would even CONSIDER getting would be the galaxy s II. with superamoled plus May 19 04:21:18 which is plus more than regular superamoled May 19 04:21:51 Infuse is superamoled plus... May 19 04:22:09 * PatrickC would only use android as the last phone on the plannet May 19 04:22:43 boooooooooooo single core non gsII May 19 04:23:00 and plus, I need a winphone to round out my mobile dev devices May 19 04:23:24 haha May 19 04:24:03 I have yet to run into an instance where my single core has struggled May 19 04:24:15 I use the Epic 4G May 19 04:24:21 * PatrickC 's single core pre2 hardly ever struggles May 19 04:24:23 * halfhalo has one of those May 19 04:24:26 the pre2 is a single core May 19 04:24:47 right? May 19 04:24:52 Yes May 19 04:24:53 yup May 19 04:24:56 so is the Pre3 May 19 04:25:02 epic with NETFLIX! May 19 04:25:05 a single core 1.4GHz monster! May 19 04:25:19 ^^ my pre2 May 19 04:25:55 Everything has Netflix... May 19 04:26:11 not epic, not officially May 19 04:26:11 There's an xda build out there that bypasses the system check May 19 04:26:13 webos doesnt May 19 04:26:27 ^^ officially May 19 04:26:35 got the new gingerbread release thingie just now May 19 04:26:37 Wasn't Netflix one of the things they mentioned for the Touchpad? May 19 04:26:42 I've got my little Archos 70 here on my desk streaming documentaries all night. May 19 04:26:46 I think so May 19 04:27:05 * PatrickC yawns May 19 04:27:06 hulu is needed May 19 04:27:14 Hulu works on the Epic. May 19 04:27:16 Hulu is mehhhhh May 19 04:27:17 I'm working on that May 19 04:27:22 hulu app May 19 04:27:23 seriously May 19 04:27:25 But yeah they touted Netflix for the Touchpad May 19 04:27:27 so that's cool May 19 04:27:28 none of that web rap May 19 04:27:38 crap May 19 04:27:41 Meh...build one May 19 04:27:45 I'm actually working with hulu to make a app May 19 04:28:08 I contacted them about the API's.. they'll email me when available (supposedly) May 19 04:28:24 that means absolutely nothing... May 19 04:28:26 That's their polite way of saying, "Yeah right." May 19 04:29:02 Yeah, of all the people to partner with to make a Hulu app, you're probably bottom of the list PatrickC lol May 19 04:29:11 brb May 19 04:29:41 1 second :) May 19 04:29:57 I think I could probably partner with them May 19 04:30:02 "I'm actually working with hulu to make a app" - awesome way to describe your relationship of asking for an API. May 19 04:30:08 http://pastebin.com/cEU1YPRE May 19 04:30:42 That's a blow off letter. May 19 04:30:45 Ahaha. May 19 04:30:58 PatrickC, yeah. That's a blow off later, not a "well work with you for an app." May 19 04:31:19 yup May 19 04:31:21 even if it is.. I got a free gift basket haha May 19 04:32:08 well.. I'm off to bed May 19 04:32:10 night all May 19 04:33:11 After I finish up this app, I'll shoot an email over to Hulu to try to open up some real discussions. May 19 04:33:15 Ah. I love using Preware to install ipks from emails. Makes sending test versions of my apps to my brothers painless. May 19 04:33:45 ok DocLee May 19 04:34:04 * PatrickC wonders if anything will happen.. or if Hulu will make an Enyo app later May 19 04:34:15 or if they /are/ making one now.. May 19 04:34:34 It's not on their ma May 19 04:34:35 map May 19 04:35:06

installing 2.10 May 19 04:35:07

:) May 19 04:35:24 it could be now.. that was from April 11 May 19 04:35:31 It's not. May 19 04:35:34 DT: welcome to the club :) May 19 04:39:51

i want new hardware May 19 04:39:56

dual core + no keyboard May 19 04:40:00

and by yesterday May 19 04:40:35 demanding May 19 04:40:49 I want a pony May 19 04:41:02 SineOt has some extras rwhitby May 19 04:41:27 I'm actually running low :< I have a few without heads :< May 19 04:41:41 and they're gen 4, not the poor gen 3 stuff that Australia is stuck with May 19 04:42:18 I.... am slightly scared May 19 04:42:59 How else are you supposed to remove their hair? May 19 04:45:40 ummmm.... dont? May 19 04:45:53 … but then you can't rehair them with new hair. May 19 04:47:33 ... May 19 04:48:32

is there a way to skip webosdoctor's battery life checks May 19 04:48:36

annoying as shit to charge before a flsha May 19 04:48:37

*fash May 19 04:48:39

*flash May 19 04:49:09 Hulu - they may not have a license for the content for the tablet devices. May 19 04:49:48

they do May 19 04:49:52

they have a ipad app May 19 04:49:53 ipad client May 19 04:49:58

and lets be reasonable May 19 04:50:05

the webos tablet will fail like the webos devices May 19 04:50:11

they arent going to waste the time to dev for it May 19 04:50:46 they didnt originally have the mobile license. which was why they kept making it hard till they came out w/ hulu plus and could charge more for it. May 19 04:51:20 DT, can you give me some good stock tips since you can tell the future so well? May 19 04:51:23

yeah May 19 04:51:25

buy apple May 19 04:51:28 yeah, they don't have licenses for it on TVs either, which is why they go out of their way to make it a pain in the ass to watch with most set top boxes May 19 04:51:32 netflix is clearly the most likely - assuming the browser is good enough for their normal html5 ui development process, and if they can get the playready or some other DRM ported. May 19 04:52:00 $340.50 - price noted May 19 04:52:00 buy high, sell low, thats your stock advice? May 19 04:52:02 the DRM is the easy part, it exists already for Linux and would be trivial to port over. Just requires some security features on device May 19 04:52:25 my stock advice: buy apple the day that Steve Jobs dies, hold onto it for years, wait for the value to climb back up May 19 04:52:27 easy to port, but less easy to get enough laywers to agree its "ok". May 19 04:52:55 it mostly boils down to "can other people easily get to it" May 19 04:53:14 Boxee recently went through it with the Boxee Box, and it was basically trivial to get approved May 19 04:53:19 i work for bitbop.com - fairly familiar with these issues. May 19 04:53:38 ah, cool~ May 19 04:53:41

steve job isn't apple. May 19 04:53:45

he's only a man. May 19 04:53:50 face of apple May 19 04:53:56

which is meaningless May 19 04:54:01 ha! May 19 04:54:04 he's only a man, but I can pretty readily say the day he dies the stock will panic and tank May 19 04:54:04 not to apple fanatics May 19 04:54:10

the products are more important May 19 04:54:16

yeah and it'll recover inside a week May 19 04:54:18 lose steve and ive and there is no apple. May 19 04:54:30 that's like saying warren buffet isn't essential to berkshire hathaway .. when either of those two guys die, their respective companies will take a beating in the market May 19 04:54:39

berkshire is irrevelant May 19 04:55:08

one of those companies that has value for no apparent reason, doesn't produce anything, etc May 19 04:56:20 without jobs brutal focus on what he feels is teh "right thing" apple will succumb to feature creep and all the other typical problems of product development he is good at avoding May 19 04:56:23 *sigh* May 19 04:56:45 nah, I doubt that May 19 04:56:57 but I know that the stock dipped with the health rumors May 19 04:57:03 and an actual death will do that and more May 19 04:57:12

and it will recover inside a wee May 19 04:57:12

k May 19 04:57:24 yeah, but if you're going to buy, buy then! May 19 04:57:26 not fully, no May 19 04:57:45

not only will it recover but it will keep gaining value May 19 04:58:00 not until apple proves that it can continue without jobs to the investors May 19 04:58:01

i wouldn't wait for his death. we dont know when it will happen May 19 04:58:06

i doubt it will dip enough to reach current levels May 19 04:58:08 just like microsoft - explosive growth .. forever! May 19 04:58:11

assuming he doesnt die in like a month May 19 04:58:12 DT is the oracle from irc, interesting May 19 04:58:26 berkshire produces no material goods, but does own controlling interests in many companies that do May 19 04:58:40

im not interested in debating the value of berkshire May 19 04:58:44 it's more of a holding company May 19 04:58:55

it's a worthless company but i don't want to waste time having that debate May 19 04:58:58 unlike, a number of web 2.0 companies, that have insane valuations, but produce, well, not a whole lot ;) May 19 04:59:15

im with you there May 19 04:59:29

berk is obscenely over valued May 19 04:59:36

apple is undervalued May 19 04:59:37 not really sure how a company is 'worthless' when it holds such large chunks of assets though, is beyond me May 19 04:59:38

buy buy buy May 19 04:59:44 cuz it always pays off to bet on big growth from the companies that are already the largest. May 19 05:00:03

paid off pretty well so far May 19 05:00:15 ya, with who? May 19 05:00:24

AAPL May 19 05:00:46 yea, you bought them 3 months ago and have since made a killing? May 19 05:00:54

more like in 1997 May 19 05:01:05 right, there were massive then May 19 05:01:08 not May 19 05:01:09 in 1997, you didn't have to bet a lot to make a bet on apple May 19 05:01:12

i can predict the future May 19 05:01:20 10 shares cost what, like $50? May 19 05:01:24

less May 19 05:01:28

way less May 19 05:01:30 including trading fees May 19 05:01:30 wow, i definitely would not have bought aapl back then .. it was a terribly run company back then May 19 05:01:42

yes, including fees May 19 05:01:50 aapl likely wouldn't have survived without msft's investment May 19 05:01:50

it was. May 19 05:01:52

but i can see the future May 19 05:01:55

i know the road ahead May 19 05:02:03

and in 1997, it wasn't microsoft May 19 05:02:13 ah, so your recommendation is not to buy big companies like apple, but *have bought them* 10 yrs ago. May 19 05:02:19 good advice. May 19 05:02:24

its still good advise today May 19 05:02:27 hey, if you can predict the future =D May 19 05:02:36 DT, should i get in on this linkedin IPO ? May 19 05:02:38

it's still under valued May 19 05:02:41

no. May 19 05:02:51 * halfhalo can predict the past! May 19 05:02:52 OK - no linkedin for me May 19 05:03:02 how about ARMH ? May 19 05:03:16 if you can predict the future, you wouldn't be trading in stocks May 19 05:03:19

YES May 19 05:03:25 much more money to be made with options May 19 05:03:32 DT is our own jim cramer .. May 19 05:03:42 dwc-: that is very true May 19 05:03:47 so which of the 50 biggest companies in 1997 did you buy and also get rich off of? May 19 05:03:47

granted, ARM won't matter forever. May 19 05:03:52

Intel won't let this market pass them by May 19 05:03:54 options are amazing beasts that almost never get exercised .. May 19 05:04:00

but today, right now, they are undervalued May 19 05:04:03 or... forget stocks altogether.... FOREX May 19 05:04:20 does INTC really know how to do low power? May 19 05:04:28

qualcom as well May 19 05:04:30 or are they a performance beast ? May 19 05:04:34

they are building the modem for the next iphone May 19 05:04:40

when that is announced they will shoot up a bit May 19 05:04:43

fun fun fun May 19 05:05:06

bpadalino, they will need to May 19 05:05:08

it's do or die May 19 05:05:55 ARM in servers - will it happen this year ? May 19 05:06:15

not in a real deal fashion, when windows 8 ships May 19 05:06:32

the beta ships this year, final next year May 19 05:07:11

you are also going to see samsung take a big hit from apple's lawsuit somepoint down the road May 19 05:07:24 CSCO - old news, or renewed hotness ? May 19 05:07:28

old news May 19 05:07:42 IP lawsuits May 19 05:07:44 those are old news May 19 05:07:48

they are fun again May 19 05:07:50 sue, countersue, come to a licensing agreement May 19 05:07:53

apple won't license to them May 19 05:08:00

samsung has no interesting mobile patents May 19 05:08:12

apple has a solid IP portfolo May 19 05:08:17 samsung has a lot of flash memory that apple likes May 19 05:08:25

and they will keep buying it May 19 05:08:29

and samsung will keep selling it May 19 05:08:34 I'd bet on them settling May 19 05:08:41 but I guess you know the future, so May 19 05:08:43

they will settle some things May 19 05:08:47

not the touchwiz bullshit May 19 05:08:49 dwc-: it's true - DT sees all May 19 05:08:54

that's outright infringment May 19 05:09:11

you have to understand apple to understand that lawsuit May 19 05:09:34

they aren't going to settle. this is way more exciting than Glenayre May 19 05:09:39

brb in 1 min May 19 05:10:01 i am up way too late installing software :( May 19 05:10:49

back May 19 05:10:51

same. May 19 05:11:05

think of what's important in a post-pc world and buy it. May 19 05:11:23

sell what isn't. May 19 05:12:05 I suppose if one believes it is one May 19 05:12:13 oh right. you know. you've seen the future. May 19 05:12:20 how about basestation companies? May 19 05:12:21

that belief has fulled something like 5 years of growth May 19 05:12:24

from iphone out May 19 05:12:30

battlestations, battlestations May 19 05:12:38

obscene growth May 19 05:13:11

watch a normal person use an iphone. it's incredible. it's instantaneous. it's obvious. May 19 05:13:28

this is what's next. tablets will keep getting better, google will try and try again, MS will shrink May 19 05:13:33

everyone makes money. May 19 05:14:40

hell, apple is adjusting the mac for the post-pc world, making it more like the iPx May 19 05:14:45

windows7 is the same old shit. May 19 05:14:51

plus ARM support, so that's cool May 19 05:15:07 yeah, I can say that 10.7 is a MASSIVE step forward for OSX May 19 05:15:14

using a developer preview May 19 05:15:17

atm. May 19 05:15:37 the likes of which haven't really been seen since the 10.2 to 10.3 jump May 19 05:15:53

just to put this in perspective, DWC May 19 05:15:57

Apple PowerBook G3 250 (Original/Kanga/3500) 1997-11-10 $5700 $330,563 May 19 05:16:06

product cost versus stock price today May 19 05:16:21

november 1997, $5700 would be $330,563 May 19 05:16:38

I bought it in May and bought more May 19 05:17:28 * dwc- yawns May 19 05:17:31 seen those things before May 19 05:17:37

they still make me laugh May 19 05:18:15 so, all of your assets, all-in on apple? May 19 05:18:25

no May 19 05:18:43

all technology though. energy isn't as exciting May 19 05:18:53 why not? soudns like you've seen the future May 19 05:19:00 apple does run things pretty well when it comes to $0 debt, and lots of cash reserves .. but it'll be just a matter of time before the shareholders start demanding some of that cash May 19 05:19:16

that still wouldn't be a big deal May 19 05:19:24

non-event even May 19 05:20:08

MS, on the other hand, is a wreck May 19 05:20:25

non-sensical decision after non-sensical decision May 19 05:20:41 lots of cash reserves? it's like 38 billion right now :p May 19 05:21:30

i really hope intel gets their shit together May 19 05:22:39

we are living in a different world today than the one they ruled May 19 05:22:53

they are getting the living shit kicked out of them by ARM May 19 05:24:12

while i'm giving advise, sell any PC shit if you have it May 19 05:24:15

it's only downhill from here May 19 05:24:53 yeah, Intel's scrambling to get a smartphone chip out because they know that that's where most of the growth is going to be May 19 05:25:04

it's where all the growth is May 19 05:25:08

the pc market is over and done May 19 05:25:32 that NTT Docomo handset is a pretty good example of it. Running Symbian? like 40 hour battery life. Running Windows 7? 2 hours May 19 05:26:21

I'll buy some MS the day Balmer is fired May 19 05:26:40

i hope that day is soon May 19 05:27:45

how many more missed opertunities will the board tolerate? May 19 05:28:00 they're all too busy binging each other May 19 05:28:04

lool May 19 05:28:22

MS feels this natural need to compete with GOOG when they need to be fiting Apple May 19 05:28:25

and well. May 19 05:28:37

0 fucking innovation coming out of redmond since somewhere around 2001 May 19 05:28:56 one thing I will say though May 19 05:29:10 is that Bing Maps on webOS 3.0 is probably the best decision that Palm could have made May 19 05:29:29 * halfhalo points to xbox and 360 and zune pass May 19 05:29:29

Google would have given them google maps May 19 05:29:31 well, HP I guess for that matter May 19 05:29:34

They are seperate businesses for google May 19 05:29:41 xbox franchise was something pretty well executed by MS .. seems very popular May 19 05:29:43

The 360 loses money, zune pass, lol May 19 05:29:48 I doubt that, have you seen how shitty Google Maps is for webOS? May 19 05:29:52 the things a disaster May 19 05:30:01

I'm assuming they could get Google to get their ass in gear May 19 05:30:21 Good luck. May 19 05:30:28 360 no longer loses money, hasn't for a while May 19 05:30:33 I think it really just came down to Google's ass is in gear but it's in gear for larger platforms, they can afford to leave webOS in the dust May 19 05:30:37 Or at least that is the vibe I get from my mate at Google Australia. May 19 05:30:42

it only no longer loses money if you look at the numbers a really weird way May 19 05:30:47

if you ignore the billion dollar writeoff May 19 05:31:05 I'd be surprised if webOS even made more than 0.5% of the mobile usage for Google Maps May 19 05:31:21

it costs google virtually nothing May 19 05:31:23

only can benefit May 19 05:31:35 of course not... by the time the js and map panes load, you're already at your destination ;) May 19 05:31:53 They'd get more usage if they updated it. Personally, I avoid using google maps on my Pre when I can just use Sprint Nav or use my computer. May 19 05:32:01 it costs them time and effort, that they can better spend to improve the stuff that 99.5% of people are using May 19 05:32:14

it potentially gains for them May 19 05:32:17

if webos 3 takes off May 19 05:32:21

it's a gamble May 19 05:32:25

but not a big one May 19 05:32:50

the odds aren't good but the touchpad will be the first real ipad fighter May 19 05:33:01

3.0/3.1 isn't ready yet, won't be for another revision or two May 19 05:33:02 eh, given how nice Bing Maps looks from the previews that have been given, I think the bigger gamble and pay off was moving off of Google Maps May 19 05:33:07

by that i am refering to android May 19 05:33:14

but the touchpad will likely be fully baked May 19 05:33:22

so i expect at least some adoption May 19 05:33:26 yeah I've played some with Honeycomb and it's really really bad :( May 19 05:33:35

i have a galaxy tab 10.1v on my desk May 19 05:33:47 Playing with a demo unit of a Xoom, you shouldn't be able to crash the image viewer every time you try to launch it May 19 05:33:56

looks nice, feels nice, as buggy as every other 3.0 tablet May 19 05:34:06

The market crashed on launch for the first 2 days of the Xoom May 19 05:34:17

I had to send it back as it was a Sample May 19 05:34:22 and if people can screw it up that badly by playing with an in store demo unit, then what the hell are you doing shipping that to end users, since end users are who play with the demo unit? May 19 05:34:24

Moto hooks their investors up! May 19 05:34:55

Google did this before May 19 05:35:01

Android 1.0 though all the way to 2.0 May 19 05:35:15

Android didn't get ready until 2.0, and argugably 2.1 as 2.0 didn't have multitouch by default May 19 05:35:24

the manufactuer had to turn it on for the native apps May 19 05:35:36

why would anyone expect android for tablets to be "ready" right away May 19 05:35:46

Anyone who can look at the trackrecord knows how Google works May 19 05:35:50 they drank the "open" cool aid? :p May 19 05:36:03

Google sees software as a process. ship now, update often May 19 05:36:15

Apple sees software as a product. ship something usable. May 19 05:36:24 too bad that end users are the ones who suffer for that mantra May 19 05:36:30

pull everything that doesn't work, update when its ready May 19 05:36:33

agreed May 19 05:36:51 at least this 18 month upgrade agreement thing will help with that… I hope May 19 05:37:00

Google is taking a HUGE risk with ice cream sandwitch May 19 05:37:15

moving Android for Mobile over to the Android for Tablet code May 19 05:37:17

merging, really May 19 05:37:25 waiting for months to get an update to 2.0/2.1 from the shitty 1.5 on the HTC Hero was painful May 19 05:37:26

will it be a disaster? roll a di e May 19 05:37:29

*dice May 19 05:37:33

oh yeah. May 19 05:37:38

but it won't May 19 05:37:43

the problem is that everyone does something different May 19 05:37:49 Well, even HP/Palm is going to do that down the line. 3.0 will merge with the phone base down the line May 19 05:37:57

no one ships stock and even when they do they still have to port over the drivers they use, etc to the newer version May 19 05:38:03

and the carrier spends months certifying it May 19 05:38:15 If that rumored slate device lands on Sprint in August then 3.0 might land on phones earlier than anyone expected May 19 05:38:19

Google is jumping in head first May 19 05:38:51

Palm will be forced to compete with apple May 19 05:38:57

the next iphone will be on sprint in September. May 19 05:39:55 hopefully! our contracts are all up for upgrades in September May 19 05:40:08

it's a sure thing. May 19 05:40:30

there are references to sprint in the ios5 internal builds May 19 05:41:25

note that none have been released yet, TOP SECRET INFOOO May 19 05:41:58 well, that and the whole hiring spot for a carrier support agent in Kansas City May 19 05:42:07

yeah i knew for ages May 19 05:42:18

when apple sent a few high-end ios devs new devices May 19 05:42:25

loaded with the new os, etc May 19 05:42:45

sprint/tmobile/verizon/att May 19 05:42:47

together at last! May 19 05:44:26 at this point why even bother with tmobile May 19 05:44:38

they began the process well before the merger was announced May 19 05:44:47

and tmobiles net will still be up for a while May 19 05:45:04

early prototypes of the iphone4 exist with tmob carrier support May 19 05:45:19

if you look at ios4 betas May 19 05:45:24

3 devices that are the iphone4 are listed May 19 05:45:31

i forget the numbers so lets just use 1 2 and 3 May 19 05:45:37

1,1 was the ATT iphone May 19 05:45:43

1,2 is the tmobile one that never shipped May 19 05:45:47

1,3 was the CDMA/verizon one May 19 05:45:57 yeah May 19 05:46:02

BGR got their hands on 1,2 a month ago and posted pics May 19 05:46:48

google if you want to see it :D May 19 05:46:58

http://www.bgr.com/2011/04/23/exclusive-apple-testing-iphone-4-for-t-mobile-usa/ May 19 05:47:16

note how it is the early, never shipped version of the white ip4 May 19 05:47:18 yeah, was looking at that May 19 05:47:35

weird sensors/color shade/home button May 19 05:47:47

exactly like the iphone 4 the press saw when apple first announced the device May 19 05:48:03

now for what you don't know May 19 05:48:07 I still think the white iPhone 4 and iPad 2 are ugly as hell May 19 05:48:12 and barely above KIRF status May 19 05:48:17

BGR's source recovered that from a fucking recycling facility May 19 05:48:19

agreed May 19 05:48:24

it was TRASH May 19 05:49:10

those inside know where apple sends their recyclable electronics May 19 05:49:14

someone snagged that one May 19 05:49:20

note how scratched up the sides are May 19 05:49:24

you can see on the photo of the back May 19 05:49:42

how appleconnect was deactivated on the device, its back at the sign in screen May 19 05:49:42

etc May 19 05:49:56 yeah, it's pretty beat May 19 05:50:00

recycled. May 19 05:50:13

thrown in a little case and shipped off May 19 05:50:43 and looking at the paper work it's sitting on, probably shipped with all that too May 19 05:51:07

probably May 19 05:51:13

i cant identity the paperwork well enough to be able to say May 19 05:51:33 it looks like just boring stuff May 19 05:51:44 probably saying "here's 400 devices to recycle go hog wild" May 19 05:52:16

399 old ipod touches and one old prototype from months before the iphone 4 launched May 19 05:52:20

that isnt even a late prototype May 19 05:52:32

it is at least 3 months older than the one that that poor guy left at a bar May 19 05:54:58

note how they dont show what version the os is May 19 05:55:22

newer internal builds have a find my iphone service running that cant be removed from /accounts/ May 19 05:55:28

and reports the location back constantly, etc May 19 05:55:40

the simcard slot is sealed like the store demo units May 19 05:59:54

hope you all enjoyed this. May 19 06:01:49

i sure did enjoy talking to you :) May 19 07:01:41 http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php -Is there a webos phone with better specs than this? May 19 07:03:54 no go buy that nokia May 19 07:04:42 Pre 2 is about the same May 19 07:04:47 64gb? May 19 07:04:53 12mp camera? May 19 07:05:01 10.1mbps internetspeed? May 19 07:05:02 lolcat May 19 07:05:05 what do you want? May 19 07:05:13 why are you here? May 19 07:05:14 Advice on what phone to get May 19 07:05:23 each time you bash May 19 07:05:37 you know there is not webos phone with better specs May 19 07:05:39 so why ask?= May 19 07:05:50 How would I know? May 19 07:06:34 google? May 19 07:07:33 Why google when Ive got real insigth knowledge here? May 19 07:10:01 you weren't asking for information that required insight, you needed a page of phone specs May 19 07:10:07 which google is much better at providing May 19 07:17:27 heh, that website you originally linked can even compare them side by side May 19 07:17:50 haha May 19 07:27:52 oil: Is it only the pre's that run webos? May 19 07:28:46 http://tinyurl.com/6ggmy36 May 19 07:35:03 hi folks May 19 07:35:32 trying to see if somebody could help me May 19 07:36:05 I have my dear Pre 2 as my "official"/"activated" phone in Germany (when I'm home) May 19 07:36:24 but I still have my Pre Plus which I'd like to use while in Belgium on a "non data" SIM... May 19 07:36:35 skipping activation like described here May 19 07:36:39 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html May 19 07:36:47 doesn't do the trick, since... May 19 07:36:52 "Phone and SMS functionality won't work." May 19 07:37:15 I'd like to use the Pre Plus mainly as a phone with WiFi for Internet May 19 07:37:57 sounds like you need to skip it, setup wifi, then run firstuse to activate over wifi May 19 07:45:34 skip ? May 19 07:45:37 can you skip ? May 19 07:46:49 how? May 19 07:47:38 palm has a tool, i dont have a link to it May 19 07:48:49 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html May 19 07:48:50 ? May 19 07:48:53 Web Doctor? May 19 07:49:31 * oil goes to sleep :/ May 19 07:50:17 night oil May 19 08:00:16 AWESOME. my main phone just died May 19 08:00:16 either it or the battery is dead. i'm not even getting the charging indicator May 19 08:00:30 Ok May 19 08:00:36 :( May 19 08:01:59 stuffmc: can you activate it on your germany sim, and then swap sims? May 19 08:02:24 if the batt is dead dead, you might not get the charging screen right away May 19 08:04:32 stuffmc: just use #*DEVMODE# and Impostah after flashing 2.1 on the device. May 19 08:35:42 morning May 19 08:38:14 morning swisstomcat May 19 08:38:32 morning hotdp May 19 08:50:16 hey lemketron :) May 19 08:53:34 rwhitby: thanks, but would I be able to use the phone then? May 19 08:53:42 and what's "Impostah"? May 19 09:24:59 is there some komodo users here? May 19 09:29:02 i use it from time to time May 19 09:29:22 Do you know anything about "custom" autocompletion? May 19 12:59:48 looks like I had to RTFM again ;) May 19 13:00:06 " The activation-bypass tool is not needed for webOS 2.0 devices. " May 19 13:22:21 FYI folks, it's not true that running the activation tool doesn't make the phone work… they probably just mean if you don't have a sim card in the phone (gsm) then you can't call, but that's kind of obvious :D May 19 13:22:39 works perfectly and I left the device in 1.4 - way more stable than 2.x May 19 15:18:09 Just sent a harsh tweet to Telcel :) May 19 15:23:02 https://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.bubbles.storageinfo <- funny looking menu bar in this HP app :) May 19 15:23:44 is there still an app to share the network connection in webos 2.x? I can't seem to find it May 19 15:29:39 madnificent, tethering? May 19 15:29:39 madnificent: freetether FTW! May 19 15:29:54 not gonna find a tethering app in the catalog, but there is one in preware May 19 15:30:28 ah, didn't search for tether, searched for hotspot and such May 19 15:30:29 thanks May 19 15:36:06 dohtem: ha, nice catch May 19 16:40:48 morning folks May 19 18:00:52 hey Adora this newest submission marked toxic? May 19 18:04:46 Can't wait to get a TouchPad :D May 19 18:08:50 * oilsworkn is gonna rerelease dotgame for touchpad xD May 19 18:09:33 ok what's the magic for getting a Palm Pre 2 into dev mode w/o an activated simcard? May 19 18:11:05 ooo I had to do this. I'll get you the link May 19 18:11:15 #*DEVMODE# or ##DEVMODE# May 19 18:11:25 yeah but type the first #* on the keyboard May 19 18:11:33 then the phone pops up and type the rest May 19 18:12:06 * dohtem hits "Emergency Call" to pull up the dialer then types it there May 19 18:12:20 he doesn't have sim card so it's stuck at "put in sim card screen" May 19 18:12:24 correct? May 19 18:13:43 yeah May 19 18:14:02 just the cute animation May 19 18:14:12 well I have a unactivated sim card. I can try that May 19 18:14:21 * oilsworkn wants to see animation May 19 18:14:28 or you can do ## on the keyboard then the phone will pop up May 19 18:14:46 I mean #* May 19 18:15:53 ok May 19 18:19:49 why is it that there are taco bells along all my routes to places I want to go.... May 19 18:20:45 I mean... they just appear May 19 18:22:08 * halfhalo thinks tacobell is stalking him May 19 18:22:34 halfhalo: don't worry, tacobell's tacos aren't even real tacos May 19 18:22:42 none of it is real May 19 18:22:54 which makes it ok for me to have May 19 18:24:03 halfhalo: you should come to Mexico, real greasy, messy, spicy tacos :D May 19 18:24:13 * halfhalo has May 19 18:24:33 did you regret that? :D May 19 18:24:40 nope! May 19 18:24:47 but, taco bell is cheap May 19 18:25:16 Ah, of course!, so are dumbphones and chinese cars :P May 19 18:25:36 * halfhalo still has an active dumphone May 19 18:26:04 NO idea where it is, but cheaper to keep active than cancel May 19 18:26:28 hahaha.. I have one of those, unfortunately the battery lasts less time than the Pre's :D May 19 18:26:57 sigh USSD request failed May 19 18:27:13 Codhisattva: wrooong! :D May 19 18:27:18 GSM= May 19 18:27:21 GSM? May 19 18:27:37 * halfhalo 's active dumbphone is vzw May 19 18:27:42 ahhhh use the screen keyboard not the keyboard keyboard May 19 18:28:04 yep :D May 19 18:28:44 dwc-: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/485 May 19 18:31:03 aaargh. emulator keeps hanging May 19 18:32:21 emulator only got real crashy on me when i was trying to test dockmode stuff May 19 18:34:54 its doing it during palm install or uninstall i think May 19 18:35:40 that sucks May 19 18:36:14 ya, particularly as I'm trying to figure out some nowindow stuff and have to re-build every 3 seconds. May 19 18:36:46 heh May 19 18:37:01 i think i do noWindow on all my apps May 19 18:37:05 even if they're single stage May 19 18:37:18 lol May 19 18:37:43 * halfhalo hasn't used nowindow... because he hasn't technically released an app in the appcat May 19 18:37:52 well, since you can't really do apps without a window since what, 1.2.x? May 19 18:37:58 1.3.x? May 19 18:38:12 whenever that flashing splash screen was added May 19 18:39:06 meh May 19 18:39:23 * halfhalo hasn't looked at steamfriends code since.... ever May 19 18:39:48 always nice how AresLog turns off when I have to reboot the emulator too.. then takes me a minute to figure out why I build but the contents of the log didnt change ... May 19 18:40:13 ok May 19 18:40:21 WHO SENDS A PRESS EMAIL WITH THE PRESS RELEASE IN A WORD DOCUMENT May 19 18:40:52 NuttyBunny, are there TacoBells in Mexico and are they considered american food? May 19 18:42:00 RagingMind: I think there isn't a single one, and if it were, I'd consider it as american food, just like McDonald's :) May 19 18:42:05 and what do they call french fries in france? May 19 18:42:59 le merde d'america May 19 18:43:16 hahahaha May 19 18:43:35 taco bell isn't real mexican food May 19 18:43:45 s/mexican// May 19 18:43:57 no, its food, animals will eat it May 19 18:44:09 that only reinforces my point May 19 18:44:09 it's tasty... but I've never thought of it as Mexican May 19 18:44:58 these are people who watched Soylent Green and took notes May 19 18:45:03 there are real places to try mexican food, but you won't find a real mexican food fast food chain May 19 18:45:10 its like 90% water May 19 18:45:17 the "meat" comes in as a powder May 19 18:46:02 i only eat taco bell when im drunk and its 3am and everything else is closed May 19 18:46:25 and its damn good in that altered state May 19 18:46:46 and $10 can get you enough to feed like 5 people haha May 19 18:47:24 you'd be better off eating the paper and cardboard they serve that crap in May 19 18:47:51 Codhisattva: not whne you're drunk. May 19 18:47:56 heh May 19 18:48:02 that is the key point xD May 19 18:48:08 cwayne: esp when drunk May 19 18:48:13 I'll eat it sober May 19 18:48:19 heh May 19 18:48:30 Codhisattva: nah, the grosness of it is AMAZING drunk May 19 18:48:39 haha May 19 18:48:47 IHOP is as low as I'll sink May 19 18:48:54 mmm IHOP May 19 18:49:15 at 3am it'll cure beer goggles in the nick of time May 19 18:50:06 Tacos must contain: Real, flexible tortillas; correctly fried meat. May 19 18:50:17 hah May 19 18:50:28 meat must contain: flesh of tasty beast May 19 18:50:28 you *may* use cheese, but Oaxaca cheese or one that melts, not cheddar :P May 19 18:50:32 or go to sherri's and get the "barn buster" breakfast May 19 18:50:43 just so when the waitress asks how my meal was i can tell her it busted my barn May 19 18:50:51 lol May 19 18:50:53 Codhisattva: Yes, real meat, cut in place, fried in place May 19 18:51:11 you *DON'T* put lettuce in a taco May 19 18:51:14 hmm lunch time approaches May 19 18:51:59 it does May 19 18:52:07 * halfhalo already ate May 19 18:52:10 you may use ... "coriander"?? well, it's cilantro in spanish, and you may use lettuce May 19 18:52:15 thats cause your timezone sucks May 19 18:52:16 taco bell on way home from vet May 19 18:52:18 :p May 19 18:52:34 the final touches are salt, sauce and lemon May 19 18:52:37 * halfhalo reminds oilsworkn he is in the same timezone May 19 18:52:39 ugh cilantro is the devil May 19 18:52:48 lies May 19 18:52:55 oh, its otterpants May 19 18:52:58 THATS MY LINE May 19 18:53:05 Codhisattva: that's the reason I said "may".. I personally prefer coriander than onion May 19 18:53:06 haha! May 19 18:53:09 otterpants! May 19 18:53:32 ah, my mistake.. I meant: you may use ... "coriander"?? well, it's cilantro in spanish, and you may use ONION :) May 19 18:54:18 your an onion May 19 18:54:33 baur baur baur otter pants May 19 18:55:20 Just look! Otter who gives he self own hugs, comfy otter. :I http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llg3g9Fapb1qzs75go1_500.jpg May 19 18:55:50 looks like that otter is feeling itself up May 19 18:56:15 thats just how they look May 19 18:56:32 heh May 19 18:58:30 * oilsworkn goes to lunch May 19 18:58:33 NOT tacobell May 19 18:58:38 but something equally as bad for me May 19 18:58:46 crap? May 19 18:59:43 halfhalo: you're an apple May 19 18:59:50 mebe May 19 19:00:06 *quotes Annoying Orange* :P May 19 19:00:33 stupid fat partitions May 19 19:01:57 halfhalo: I almost didn't realize that was you on Facebook. :P May 19 19:02:08 thats because I am AWESOME May 19 19:02:39 haha May 19 19:03:06 * halfhalo is one of those people who doesn't tag any pictures of hisself on fb May 19 19:04:19 I untag a lot. mostly because I hate pictures taken of me... May 19 19:04:26 bingo May 19 19:04:43 the last picture i had up on the webs by choice was for a webmaster class in high school May 19 19:05:27 * SineOt makes a face! New episode upload day on Netflix! '3' May 19 19:05:52 woot for global application namespaces. problem solved. May 19 19:10:33 brb... I'm going to eat *real* tacos ;) May 19 19:10:53 which, by the way, I should stop doing... not entirely healthy May 19 19:11:19 NuttyBunny: street tacos ftw :) May 19 19:12:05 Google Street View car drove by. '3' May 19 19:12:16 NuttyBunny: deep fried in lard! May 19 19:13:17 dohtem: No, the advantage is that they're not strictly "deep fried", just some oil (no blames), and lots of heat May 19 19:16:05 SineOt: I saw the street view car on the way to work yesterday. May 19 19:16:36 it zipped out of a parking lot in front of me. May 19 19:17:02 dkirker-pre: it drove by while I was pulling in, so I'll have to see if my truck is visible in a few months! May 19 19:17:33 dkirker-pre: also, if you aren't busy, I can show you the sample of what I have for Universe May 19 19:22:41 SineOt: Sure! Could you email it to me? Maybe screenshots? May 19 19:22:55 That's my car, my gf and me at the wheel... http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=19.287449,-99.527249&spn=0.01916,0.030599&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=19.287375,-99.52726&panoid=AGjx3Ke3IMLckmuC_BHOng&cbp=12,357.73,,2,4.1 May 19 19:23:44 dkirker-pre: sure! what email should I use? May 19 19:24:44 Red Focus! May 19 19:25:12 Focus???? Red Ka! :P May 19 19:25:17 SineOt: donald.kirker@openmobl.com May 19 19:25:52 Ok, now I AM hungry. brb May 19 19:25:53