**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 20 03:00:00 2011
May 20 03:03:36 <madnificent> DocLee: make sure the file is loaded on time, and that's about it...
May 20 03:03:51 <DocLee> It's a bit more complex than that.
May 20 03:03:55 <DocLee> I'm talking about E
May 20 03:04:04 <bpadalino> no, complex is i
May 20 03:04:05 <bpadalino> not e
May 20 03:04:10 <madnificent> you shouldn't ^_^
May 20 03:04:19 * madnificent heads off to bed, good luck!
May 20 03:04:21 <DocLee> I don't particularly care at this point in time
May 20 03:04:29 <DocLee> App needs to get done
May 20 03:04:36 <DocLee> And it's going to get done no matter what
May 20 03:04:46 <madnificent> even better luck then! ;-)
May 20 03:50:14 <PatrickC> does anyone else get support  emails about stuff taken care of in their apps description??
May 20 03:50:34 <rwhitby> people don't read
May 20 03:51:00 <PatrickC> yeah.. :/
May 20 03:51:20 <PatrickC> I get tons of emails about my app not using the LED
May 20 03:52:00 <DocLee> I get a lot of dumb support emails
May 20 03:52:17 <DocLee> The best are from the conspiracy theorists...
May 20 03:52:33 <PatrickC> most of my apps are simple... very simple, and I still get dumb support emails?
May 20 03:52:43 <PatrickC> conspiracy theorists? lol
May 20 03:52:59 <DocLee> The servers were having issues with updating the show categories.
May 20 03:52:59 <PatrickC> rwhitby: get your maps yet?
May 20 03:53:24 <DocLee> So some guy writes in claiming that it's a conspiracy and we're trying to silence Rush Limbaugh...
May 20 03:53:35 <PatrickC> haha
May 20 03:55:50 <PatrickC> brb
May 20 04:00:43 <PatrickC> DocLee: any more funny support emails? lol
May 20 04:01:04 <DocLee> I get lots of stupid crap
May 20 04:01:31 <PatrickC> haha
May 20 04:01:32 <DocLee> Some guy complaining that he can't sign up with the username "michael"
May 20 04:01:43 <DocLee> That one was particularly funny.
May 20 04:01:50 <dwc-> why do you hate michaels
May 20 04:02:03 <DocLee> He says, "The system won't allow me to use the name michael.  It says it's already taken."
May 20 04:02:15 <DocLee> No kidding...  We have something like 50 million users...
May 20 04:02:30 <DocLee> Chances are "michael" was taken a loooong time ago.
May 20 04:03:02 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 04:03:21 <PatrickC> 50,000,000?! dang
May 20 04:03:31 <DocLee> Probably more
May 20 04:03:36 * PatrickC wishes webOS had that many users
May 20 04:04:26 <DocLee> 78 million
May 20 04:06:06 <DocLee> I like the ones that say, "You app doesn't work!  It sucks!"
May 20 04:06:10 <DocLee> Yeah...right.
May 20 04:06:27 <DocLee> Almost a million webos users would disagree.
May 20 04:09:08 <PatrickC> yeah
May 20 04:09:20 <PatrickC> wait.. we have 1mil webos users?! awesome!
May 20 04:11:23 <DocLee> I can't wait until this Nokia app gets approved
May 20 04:11:56 <DocLee> Should bring in some huge money
May 20 04:12:44 <PatrickC> Nokia app?
May 20 04:12:54 <DocLee> Yes
May 20 04:12:59 * PatrickC is packing.. going home for the weekend... ahhh :)
May 20 04:13:03 <PatrickC> what OS?
May 20 04:13:03 <DocLee> TuneIn for Nokia
May 20 04:13:12 <DocLee> Runs on Symbian Qt
May 20 04:13:22 <PatrickC> ah
May 20 04:15:02 <DocLee> 385 million devices on the market
May 20 04:18:21 <PatrickC> for what? symbian?
May 20 04:18:26 <DocLee> Yes
May 20 04:18:39 <DocLee> Devices that the app will run on
May 20 04:19:33 <PatrickC> dang
May 20 04:19:46 <PatrickC> you only have 78mil right now
May 20 04:20:20 <DocLee> Yeah.  It will be a big boost
May 20 04:20:31 <dwc-> unlike when you carry around a palm pre, you walk through a crowd and you're shocked when you hear a palm pre ringtone/notifications sound
May 20 04:20:36 <dwc-> that isn't yours
May 20 04:20:37 <PatrickC> how much you gonna charge?
May 20 04:20:51 <DocLee> The app is free
May 20 04:20:53 <PatrickC> dwc-: yeah lol
May 20 04:20:56 <DocLee> It's ad supported
May 20 04:21:02 <PatrickC> ah
May 20 04:21:08 <dwc-> oh, tune in is yours
May 20 04:21:14 <DocLee> Yes
May 20 04:21:26 <dwc-> thank you for not making registration mandatory
May 20 04:21:43 <twbbas> ^ that
May 20 04:22:04 <dwc-> I do have one question though... who's your ad provider... they keep trying to sell me mobile phone plans priced in GBP
May 20 04:22:07 <DocLee> Registration will probably be mandatory from now on
May 20 04:22:40 <DocLee> We use a lot of providers
May 20 04:23:17 <dwc-> I'm over in CA, and I just think it's probably not an effective ad to sell me 600 minutes for 15.50 GBP/mo
May 20 04:23:54 <DocLee> Meh...I don't care what's put up there as long as people click on it
May 20 04:24:23 <PatrickC> haha
May 20 04:26:10 <DocLee> But yes, registration will probably be mandatory from now on.  We've got VC funding so tracking the number of users of the service is very important
May 20 04:26:33 <dwc-> can't you use "anonymous" cookies like everybody else? :p
May 20 04:27:13 <DocLee> It's a pain, especially when people switch phones.
May 20 04:27:34 <dwc-> vc's really only care about ballpark
May 20 04:27:57 <DocLee> When you're talking mobile phones, the ballpark is huge
May 20 04:28:20 * PatrickC switches phones a lot..
May 20 04:28:21 <DocLee> Think about it.  Most people have the option to get a new phone every two years.
May 20 04:28:22 <PatrickC> sorry :)
May 20 04:28:34 <dwc-> right, but sure, you lose some cookies, people have multiple phones... but 40m, 43m... it's all good
May 20 04:28:37 <DocLee> People in the US at least (where the majority of our users are)
May 20 04:29:03 * PatrickC has 4 phones sitting in front of him
May 20 04:29:05 <DocLee> That number could double every 2 years.
May 20 04:29:12 <DocLee> And not be real
May 20 04:29:12 <PatrickC> and 3 more roaming the house
May 20 04:29:19 <dwc-> but wouldn't you be showing active users anyways?
May 20 04:29:28 <dwc-> e.g. N active users/month
May 20 04:29:44 <DocLee> We break it down to active/total
May 20 04:30:05 <dwc-> or user sessions/month
May 20 04:30:10 <PatrickC> how do you determine active?
May 20 04:30:22 <DocLee> More than one session per month is an active user
May 20 04:30:23 <dwc-> we do it on last activity
May 20 04:30:32 <dwc-> any activity in the time period
May 20 04:30:57 <PatrickC> hmm
May 20 04:31:10 <PatrickC> can I install the SDK to a thumdrive? haha
May 20 04:32:18 * PatrickC wants to install the SDK on his pre2
May 20 04:32:29 <dwc-> I'm just tired of giving up more throwaway emails and making more passwords to throwaway
May 20 04:32:45 <PatrickC> dwc-: whatcha mean?
May 20 04:33:13 <dwc-> well, for services I don't care about especially, they get a shitty password, and an email I never check... mailinator, etc.
May 20 04:33:25 <PatrickC> ah
May 20 04:33:32 <DocLee> Well, there are advantages to registration.
May 20 04:33:35 <DocLee> Everything is cloud based
May 20 04:33:42 <PatrickC> I have 4 main emails I use
May 20 04:33:42 <DocLee> So, you can manage presets from the cloud.
May 20 04:33:51 <PatrickC> my personal, and 3 work
May 20 04:34:01 <dwc-> yea, I saw that in your "please register" bits
May 20 04:34:14 <DocLee> And soon, other services.
May 20 04:34:52 <dwc-> sure, and that's why I wish they'd just be optional... then the user can decide whether they want it
May 20 04:35:44 <dwc-> you know, kinda like the way your app is now =]
May 20 04:36:37 <DocLee> Or we could make it mandatory and make it a heck of a lot easier on ourselves.
May 20 04:39:17 <dwc-> did you work for radiotime or tunein?
May 20 04:39:28 <DocLee> Same company
May 20 04:39:29 <DocLee> Yes
May 20 04:39:43 <DocLee> It's my "other" job
May 20 04:39:51 <dwc-> well, news says there was an acquisition recently
May 20 04:40:13 <DocLee> Acquired Ben who was a developer
May 20 04:40:37 <DocLee> The Iphone app was named TuneIn.
May 20 04:40:59 <DocLee> So, it wasn't really an acquisition...just hiring an Iphone developer full time and using the name
May 20 04:41:45 <dwc-> not bad, if he grossed $1m in a year
May 20 04:41:56 <PatrickC> dang
May 20 04:44:45 * PatrickC wants to gross $1000 a year
May 20 04:45:27 * PatrickC is gonna use freetether *a lot* tomorrow
May 20 05:17:32 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I'd be up for importing a Veer, activating using Impostah, then using it on Telstra once there is an unlock method available. Where would you suggest purchasing from?
May 20 05:20:36 <rwhitby> Hendikins: I got someone to purchase it from an AT&T store
May 20 05:21:03 <Hendikins> That works.
May 20 05:21:32 <Hendikins> I might have somebody who can grab one of those, one of the Simon Malls cards and a Dell part I'm after all in one fell swoop.
May 20 05:21:55 <halfhalo> cheaper on amazon now, plus free 2 day shipping, so not as long as a wait as before on amazon (plus shipping to wherever after)
May 20 05:23:11 <Hendikins> rwhitby: With the Simon card, does it have to be the Visa or the AMEX?
May 20 05:23:21 <rwhitby> visa
May 20 05:23:43 <rwhitby> palm do not accept amex
May 20 05:25:02 <Hendikins> halfhalo: Amazon says the Veer is on backorder.
May 20 05:25:10 <halfhalo> again?
May 20 05:25:11 <halfhalo> agg
May 20 05:25:51 * Hendikins points at http://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B00505SPYS
May 20 05:26:15 <halfhalo> yesterday it was in stock
May 20 05:27:02 <halfhalo> much better deal than the att store, since no tax plus 100 off.
May 20 05:32:24 <Hendikins> It would also be handy if AT&T would actually give out the unlock codes on request.
May 20 05:32:37 <Hendikins> For people who were say, buying the handset outright.
May 20 05:33:26 <halfhalo> i think their policy is 6 months now? something like that
May 20 05:34:13 <Hendikins> Which is fair enough for contracts or prepaid, but buying the handset with no service or subsidy attached?
May 20 05:37:35 <halfhalo> their rationality is that (in the veers case) its also an exclusive device right now, so no codes given
May 20 05:42:10 * Hendikins is also not a fan of exclusivity arrangements.
May 20 06:02:51 <Hendikins> There we go, given a mate in the US a shopping list (black Veer, 2 touchstones, Simon Malls Visa, and a Dell part).
May 20 06:43:59 <dwc-> give it to someone on contract who doesn't need an unlock code
May 20 06:44:12 <dwc-> and have 'em say they're going overseas with it
May 20 06:52:15 <oil> her Tibfib we're finally going to push just-type :)
May 20 08:58:23 <Hendikins> Hrm, apparently #*786# does work on GSM Pre 2.
May 20 12:43:44 * PatrickC is florida bound!! :D
May 20 12:48:42 * PatrickC wishes he could play Java Applet games on his Pre2/Pre :/
May 20 14:52:47 <LoneStar99> morning folks
May 20 14:53:40 * halfhalo yawns
May 20 14:55:00 <halfhalo> florida? bah.  we be going to MEHICO!
May 20 14:55:48 <infiniteloop> will palm/hp do a webos connect in east coast (nyc anyone) at all ?
May 20 14:56:19 <ryanwatkins> i hope
May 20 14:56:48 <halfhalo> they did the last devdays there.  close enough
May 20 14:57:52 <infiniteloop> ya but then enyo wasn't around (although they demoed it) for us to play with
May 20 14:58:08 <infiniteloop> oh wait its still under nda
May 20 14:58:24 <infiniteloop> so the current webOS connect is all about mojo then ?
May 20 15:00:08 <halfhalo> no idea
May 20 15:26:01 <twbbas> They just had a webinar with AT&T on enyo though
May 20 15:26:23 <twbbas> and the student that spoke at the London webOS connect talked about enyo a bit
May 20 15:35:24 <ryanwatkins> I'm sure the goal is just to keep things mostly underwraps from a PR point of view
May 20 15:35:24 <ryanwatkins> t
May 20 15:35:40 <ryanwatkins> they dont have execution squads being sent out to anyone that talks.
May 20 15:50:49 <infiniteloop> dang I missed the at&t webinar
May 20 15:53:54 <twbbas> It's saved here: https://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5700020
May 20 16:01:46 <infiniteloop> thanks twbbas
May 20 16:02:34 <dohtem> who won the phone?
May 20 17:10:37 * PatrickC walks in
May 20 17:20:15 <PatrickC> only 5 hrs to go?
May 20 17:20:27 <PatrickC> s/?/ /
May 20 17:22:51 <ryanwatkins> love how that actually works in skype
May 20 17:23:05 <PatrickC> what actually works in skype?
May 20 17:23:13 <ryanwatkins> typing that edits your last msg
May 20 17:23:31 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 17:23:33 <PatrickC> awesome
May 20 17:23:41 <dwc-> fancy easter egg for the linux builds
May 20 17:23:56 <ryanwatkins> works on osx and I think windows too
May 20 17:24:22 <dwc-> ahh, it was mentioned in the skype/linux context
May 20 17:24:30 <dwc-> I hardly ever use skype on any other platform
May 20 17:24:49 * PatrickC hardly uses skype perios
May 20 17:24:52 <PatrickC> period*
May 20 17:25:03 <ryanwatkins> use it constantly, its the IM of choice at work.
May 20 17:25:19 <dwc-> I use it 5 days out of 7
May 20 17:25:31 * PatrickC uses gchat/aim/fbchat
May 20 17:25:41 <PatrickC> I don't have a skype app, so I don't use it
May 20 17:25:47 <PatrickC> I'm not on a PC that much
May 20 17:25:50 <ryanwatkins> which is why its fairly annoying its not in webos .. yet.
May 20 17:25:58 <halfhalo> vzw has skype
May 20 17:26:00 <dwc-> unless you're on vzw
May 20 17:26:09 <Loudergood> efficient messaging at work? we usually just throw post-its at each other
May 20 17:26:22 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: skype... bah their stupid "skype" implementation makes me laugh
May 20 17:26:27 <PatrickC> Loudergood: hahaha
May 20 17:26:31 <ryanwatkins> which does me no good on my GSM Dev days Pre2
May 20 17:26:45 <halfhalo> I don't care for skype, so not a big deal for me
May 20 17:26:48 <PatrickC> or me on my sprint pre-
May 20 17:26:56 <ryanwatkins> or my earlier Sprint Pre-
May 20 17:26:59 <dwc-> yea, the skype app forces a connection over the cellular connection
May 20 17:27:01 * PatrickC wants to video chat though
May 20 17:27:24 <dwc-> I think to figure out if you're a vzw user
May 20 17:28:31 <ryanwatkins> i recall some comment that the servers it goes thru are on the vzw network, so unreachable w/o cell connection on vzw
May 20 17:29:24 <ryanwatkins> s/vzw network/vzw internal network/
May 20 17:29:43 <dwc-> well, I installed the apps on my gsm pre2
May 20 17:29:52 <dwc-> it was definitely connecting to IPs on skype's netblocks
May 20 17:30:07 <NuttyBunny> dwc-, ryanwatkins: Sort of... the "skype" part on the phones is just the synergy contacts part, after that, when you dial a skype user, the phone dials a special verizon number which does all the dirty work
May 20 17:30:36 <dwc-> nutty: I couldn't even connect.  I was hoping to get the text chat part to work
May 20 17:30:51 <ryanwatkins> ya, thats all i was hoping for - the chat.
May 20 17:31:12 <destinal> the HP webos3 webcast ( https://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5700020 ) just embeds the FLV flash video file located at https://developer.att.com/home/community/webcast/HPWebOS3.flv .  I found downloading the FLV directly and playing it in VLC was more useable
May 20 17:31:16 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: yes, the servers are inside vzw, and if you don't have a vzw number you're just fried
May 20 17:31:39 <dwc-> it would connect to the skype IPs, and then return something that suggested the account itself was not configured to allow it
May 20 17:31:55 <dwc-> no, traceroute suggests they were on skype's network, definitely not vzw's internal network
May 20 17:32:53 <Loudergood> so it just only accepts connections from vzw ips
May 20 17:33:00 <dwc-> that's my best guess
May 20 17:33:04 <destinal> looks like there's a WMV also, hmmm
May 20 17:33:09 <destinal> linked in the page
May 20 17:33:27 <dwc-> wmv > flv if you don't mind the windowscodecness
May 20 17:33:39 <dwc-> HPWebOS3.flv: Macromedia Flash Video
May 20 17:33:53 <dwc-> (now, if it was an MP4 named as an .flv, that'd be another story)
May 20 17:34:16 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 17:34:20 <destinal> dwc-: the FLV plays well in VLC though at least.  and 74 megs rather than 10megs for the WMV, but not sure if that's just an inferior codec
May 20 17:35:53 <NuttyBunny> wmv is... of course inferior :)
May 20 17:35:57 <dwc-> well, I was looking more at better codec support for wmv in general... mostly because I've had seeking trouble in some flv files
May 20 17:35:59 <NuttyBunny> Sorenson FTW
May 20 17:36:18 <dwc-> but then again, I usually play wmv with win32 codecs
May 20 17:36:31 <NuttyBunny> mmm.. my Pixi doesn't love me anymore
May 20 17:36:40 <PatrickC> oh :'(
May 20 17:37:09 * PatrickC wishes that freeTether had quicker speeds
May 20 17:39:57 <NuttyBunny> hey Adora!
May 20 17:40:14 <PatrickC> Adora! hey
May 20 17:40:28 <PatrickC> is my Veer in the mail yet?
May 20 17:40:29 <halfhalo> its the red slipper person!
May 20 17:43:55 <Simpson_2> hmm I think my Pre2 went to nirwana
May 20 17:44:06 <PatrickC> huh?
May 20 17:44:10 <PatrickC> Adora!! no!!
May 20 17:44:29 <Loudergood> house landed on her?
May 20 17:45:08 <PatrickC> Loudergood: I guess not
May 20 17:45:19 <PatrickC> or she is on to say to call for help
May 20 17:47:16 <PatrickC> hey madnificent
May 20 17:51:33 <LoneStar99> some spamers are getting ready for a major campaign
May 20 17:52:19 <PatrickC> on what?
May 20 17:52:37 <LoneStar99> it deals with Ipad2 stuff "like get a free ipad2"
May 20 17:52:41 <madnificent> hey PatrickC !
May 20 17:53:38 <PatrickC> what's up?
May 20 17:54:40 <LoneStar99> a url shortner services i built has gotten 25,000+ requests to shorten some crap sites
May 20 17:55:04 <PatrickC> uhoh
May 20 17:55:26 <PatrickC>  anyone here in the Eastern Time Zone?
May 20 17:55:55 <ryanwatkins> yes
May 20 17:56:16 <ryanwatkins> should i be raptured already or somethign?
May 20 17:56:19 <PatrickC> what time zone is your clock app set to?
May 20 17:56:38 <PatrickC> mines from CST and can't figure it out lol
May 20 17:57:20 <ryanwatkins> EST
May 20 17:57:31 <PatrickC> what city/region?
May 20 17:57:45 <ryanwatkins> on my pre?
May 20 17:57:55 <ryanwatkins> its set to just use network time
May 20 17:58:06 <PatrickC> ok.. hmm..
May 20 17:58:17 <PatrickC> this is an off-network phone.. I'll look
May 20 17:58:26 <ryanwatkins> or go into time settings and turn that off and set it to whatever zone you want
May 20 17:58:39 <PatrickC> I tried that
May 20 17:58:45 <PatrickC> but Miami isn't an option
May 20 17:59:04 <ryanwatkins> NYC is the obvious EST
May 20 17:59:32 <PatrickC> yeah
May 20 17:59:34 <PatrickC> just found them
May 20 17:59:35 <ryanwatkins> though nice how Kabul comes up as the first in the list.
May 20 18:00:02 <ryanwatkins> lots of webOS devices in afganistan i imagine.
May 20 18:00:17 <PatrickC> why?
May 20 18:00:28 <ryanwatkins> sarcasm.  doesnt always come over well
May 20 18:00:29 <halfhalo> ...
May 20 18:00:48 <PatrickC> I thought we got that thing with the army signed
May 20 18:00:51 <PatrickC> lol
May 20 18:00:53 <ryanwatkins> the could do better by putting some popular zones at the top of the list then duplicating them below for alphabetical.
May 20 18:01:28 <twbbas> ^
May 20 18:01:45 <ryanwatkins> or use the last GPS hit to give you a decent guess for the first one.
May 20 18:01:56 <PatrickC> yeah
May 20 18:02:14 <ryanwatkins> needless to say, 99% of people get this from the network tho
May 20 18:05:39 <PatrickC> yeah
May 20 18:10:00 <LoneStar99> have app payments gone out this month?
May 20 18:20:33 <halfhalo> WOA NOW
May 20 18:20:39 <halfhalo> WHY DID I GET PAID FROM PALM
May 20 18:22:10 <maik> whoa, i just got an e-mail for payment too
May 20 18:22:14 <maik> hells yes
May 20 18:22:42 <dohtem> how much cheddar are you guys raking in?
May 20 18:22:56 <halfhalo> i don't even have an app in the main catalog...
May 20 18:24:13 <maik> got $104.20
May 20 18:25:21 <halfhalo> divide that by 10 and thats what i got
May 20 18:25:53 <dohtem> http://www.guidetotheappgalaxy.com -- How to promote your app.
May 20 18:26:00 <dohtem> (totally unrelated)
May 20 18:26:16 <halfhalo> I'm not even sure the app WORKS atm
May 20 18:27:28 <maik> whoaaaa the downloads analysis thing on the my app site is actually useful
May 20 18:27:47 <maik> what the hell happened on 05/18 ?
May 20 18:27:54 <maik> that 1.4.5.1 ?
May 20 18:28:16 <sugardave> no monies for me, sadness
May 20 18:28:16 <twbbas> I'm curious as to what the failed transations means and why people can still download my app if their transaction failed
May 20 18:28:29 <maik> me too
May 20 18:28:42 <ryanwatkins> payment processing is a black art
May 20 18:28:52 <maik> 1500 total downloads on the 18th, 579 updates/restores and 921 failed transactions
May 20 18:29:32 <LoneStar99> wow spoke to soon just got my palm payment
May 20 18:29:37 <twbbas> 1089 downloads, 525 updates, 554 failed transactions
May 20 18:29:43 <twbbas> 5-18
May 20 18:29:50 <LoneStar99> someone must have pushed a button
May 20 18:30:35 <LoneStar99> got $115
May 20 18:31:10 <maik> so what happened 05/18 ?
May 20 18:32:26 <maik> one canadian bought EL in april!!
May 20 18:37:02 <LoneStar99> EL? what is that?
May 20 18:37:14 <ryanwatkins> JSON: parameters.params.params.foo ... nice
May 20 18:37:52 <ryanwatkins> great service request notation
May 20 18:38:44 <ryanwatkins> maybe i should make my property name "param" just to go with the flow.
May 20 19:26:23 <haeffb> yay! payment from pdc AND pdn_eu
May 20 19:28:28 <haeffb> my paypal account now has enough to buy a Touchpad.
May 20 19:28:34 <haeffb> If I get free shipping.
May 20 19:30:31 <halfhalo> nice!
May 20 19:30:43 * halfhalo has a genius idea for touchpad app... mwuahahahaha
May 20 19:31:17 <halfhalo> just need to figure out some canvas stuff and I am golden
May 20 19:31:18 * haeffb has an idea for a touchpad app that makes the evil genius laugh sound...
May 20 19:31:41 <haeffb> halfhalo is my inspiration
May 20 19:32:01 <halfhalo> mwuahahahaha
May 20 19:33:01 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: did it work for you?
May 20 19:39:18 <sugardave> OMG I MADE 12 EUROS!!!
May 20 19:42:15 <oil> thats like $50 USD eh?
May 20 19:42:16 <oil> lol
May 20 19:57:56 <Popple3> hey guys
May 20 19:58:18 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: Yep, thanks!! :D
May 20 19:59:25 <haeffb> great. you're welcom.
May 20 19:59:26 <haeffb> e.
May 20 20:10:42 <Guest23555> Webos 3.0. Is it going to improve speed? Make webos as fast as Android n ios
May 20 20:17:14 <DocLee> Going to have to go to Helsinki and 86 Nokia
May 20 20:52:38 <draecos> hows the cappucino machine Adora ?
May 20 21:00:16 <dohtem> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/05/show-us-your-app-at-webos-connect-for-the-chance-to-get-an-hp-touchpad/ -- Win a Touchpad!
May 20 21:02:30 <haeffb> hmph. Guess I need to get started working on that touchpad app
May 20 21:03:59 <dohtem> wish the workshops were on weekends
May 20 21:05:37 <Jake_M> hey guys this is a completely unrelated thing to webOS, but i'm putting a file on a external hard drive with 295 GB of free space and the file is 5 GB and it says the file is too large. any idea?
May 20 21:06:17 <Loudergood> FAT32?
May 20 21:06:21 <dohtem> ^
May 20 21:06:28 <Jake_M> yes
May 20 21:06:38 <dohtem> FAT's limit is 4gb
May 20 21:06:44 <Jake_M> :|
May 20 21:06:59 <Jake_M> i don't even know how to respond to that
May 20 21:07:00 <Jake_M> lol
May 20 21:07:26 <Loudergood> by 4GB he means 4GB per file
May 20 21:07:41 <Jake_M> right
May 20 21:07:49 <Jake_M> is there a way to like..
May 20 21:07:51 <Jake_M> idk :S
May 20 21:08:07 <dohtem> format as NTFS if you can
May 20 21:08:29 <Jake_M> could i throw it in a shared folder on my LAN?
May 20 21:08:35 <Jake_M> i'm just moving files from one laptop to another
May 20 21:08:50 <Loudergood> hope you've got gigabit
May 20 21:09:02 <Loudergood> or time
May 20 21:09:33 <dohtem> or split it up into archives
May 20 21:10:08 <Jake_M> so should i format to NTFS?
May 20 21:10:09 <Jake_M> i can
May 20 21:12:27 <Loudergood> yes I think that's the next most supported filesystem out there
May 20 21:12:30 <Jake_M> oh wow it works now
May 20 21:12:33 <Jake_M> i love all of you
May 20 21:45:19 <dwc-> ntfs is decently well supported ... as long as you only want to read from it
May 20 21:46:49 <NuttyBunny> ntfs? where? Linux?
May 20 21:50:29 <dwc-> win, linux, mac
May 20 21:51:26 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: the ntfs-3g fuse library is quite capable :D  both read and write... a bit slow sometimes tho
May 20 22:03:03 <Adora> are the feeds still not working?
May 20 22:03:59 <NuttyBunny> If rwhitby checks this: http://developer.palm.com/rss/D/appcatalog.rss.xml  Then I don't think so.. too few apps
May 20 22:17:04 <dwc-> on the plus side, preware loads faster =]
May 21 00:09:25 <dawm_> http://www.facebook.com/v/1950368272748
May 21 00:09:29 <dawm_> stupid dog ;P
May 21 00:10:48 * Popple3 is gone terribly stupid
May 21 00:11:13 <Popple3> trying to get rid of the icon from palm-page-header and center the text
May 21 00:15:26 <Popple3> and done
May 21 00:15:42 * oil can't see videos in your walled garden
May 21 00:15:46 <Popple3> I think that's my brain telling me to get some sleep
May 21 00:16:14 <oil> my ladder isn't tall enough
May 21 00:17:07 <dohtem> Mr. dawm_, tear down this wall!
May 21 00:17:17 <dawm_> ?
May 21 00:17:19 <twbbas> ^
May 21 00:18:05 <dohtem> dawm_: we gotta be logged in to fb to see your vid
May 21 00:18:15 <dawm_> then login :P
May 21 00:18:22 * oil would have to sign up
May 21 00:19:41 <Popple3> right, time for sleep
May 21 00:19:44 <Popple3> night everyone
May 21 00:19:51 <oil> later
May 21 00:25:41 <DocLee> oil, you using e yet?
May 21 00:25:55 <oil> e?
May 21 00:26:09 <DocLee> Begins with an e, ends with an nyo
May 21 00:26:23 <dohtem> That is not at all obvious to anyone else
May 21 00:26:33 <dawm_> ok i fixed the video
May 21 00:26:42 <oil> i can't say
May 21 00:26:58 <DocLee> dohtem, at this point in time, I don't particularly care.
May 21 00:27:03 <dwc-> and here I thought 'e' was a mind altering drug
May 21 00:27:15 <dawm_> http://jsbin.com/usuma4
May 21 00:27:15 <dohtem> DocLee: But the rest of us do
May 21 00:27:33 <oil> dawm_: nice dog
May 21 00:27:41 <dawm_> not even a year old yet
May 21 00:27:46 <dohtem> dawm_: a tad neurotic :)
May 21 00:28:00 <dawm_> i kept her outside while i mowed my huge ass yard
May 21 00:28:09 <DocLee> dohtem, deadlines need to be met
May 21 00:28:09 <dawm_> she was hyper so i'd let her inside
May 21 00:28:20 <dawm_> she dislikes loud noises ;p
May 21 00:28:45 <DocLee> And I've got an issue
May 21 00:29:06 <oil> NDA and opensource dont mix well
May 21 00:29:29 <dohtem> What's open source?
May 21 00:29:32 <dawm_> LOL
May 21 00:29:41 <dawm_> at about 0:14 you can hear my cat meowing inside
May 21 00:29:52 <oil> not even going to waste my time creating a lmgtfy link
May 21 00:30:01 <dohtem> sigh
May 21 00:30:06 <oil> lol
May 21 00:30:09 <dohtem> I wasnt looking for a definition
May 21 00:30:17 <oil> oh
May 21 00:30:21 <dohtem> retard :)
May 21 00:30:21 <oil> preware, govnah, wirc, etc, etc
May 21 00:30:25 <dohtem> ah
May 21 00:30:55 <Tibfib> oil: working decently for spaz team :)
May 21 00:31:05 <oil> meh
May 21 00:31:09 <DocLee> oil, Do you do Govnah?
May 21 00:31:20 <oil> yes
May 21 00:31:45 <DocLee> Can you do us a favor and implement a patch in there to not run when our app TuneIn is running?
May 21 00:32:04 <oil> lol
May 21 00:32:41 <DocLee> CS gets like 10 emails a week about that.
May 21 00:33:15 <oil> what happens?
May 21 00:33:29 <DocLee> When the processor speed drops, streaming stops completely
May 21 00:33:35 <oil> oh
May 21 00:33:39 <oil> thats a kernel thing
May 21 00:33:48 <oil> govnah just changes the settings, it doesn't actively control the kernel
May 21 00:33:59 <oil> it just says "hey kernel, run at these specs, thanks"
May 21 00:34:36 <oil> brb
May 21 00:37:15 <oil> DocLee: you could query govnahs service to see if its installed and alert the user
May 21 00:37:33 <rwhitby> Tibfib: are you saying that the spaz team has a public repository containing enyo code?
May 21 00:37:45 <Tibfib> rwhitby: no, I have not said that
May 21 00:37:50 <DocLee> We're not maintaining that version of the app anymore.
May 21 00:37:55 <oil> ah
May 21 00:38:04 <rwhitby> DocLee: tell them to use Mode Switcher
May 21 00:38:46 <DocLee> We just tell them to uninstall Govnah.
May 21 00:39:17 <oil> that would leave them without the ability to change their settings
May 21 00:39:23 <oil> you should tell them to switch away from screenstate
May 21 00:39:24 <rwhitby> Heh, but leave the kernel that actually does the underclocking installed?
May 21 00:39:25 <dwc-> they could just change their govnah settings?
May 21 00:40:07 <DocLee> Followed by WebOS Doctor.
May 21 00:41:10 <oil> ohh
May 21 00:41:11 <DocLee> It's difficult to offer support if hundreds of patches are flying around.
May 21 00:41:37 <oil> heh
May 21 00:42:01 <DocLee> So, we can say, "Hey, our app runs perfectly on a device that's not doctored to hell and back.  But, if you patch it all up and down, we can't offer anything."
May 21 00:42:24 <oil> we should do that kind of support
May 21 00:43:27 <halfhalo> lol
May 21 00:45:50 <dawm_> hrm
May 21 00:45:59 <dawm_> facebook has a facebook page.. who woulda thunk
May 21 00:45:59 <dawm_> http://www.facebook.com/facebook
May 21 00:46:23 * oil woulda
May 21 00:47:01 <Tibfib> so you can facebook while you facebook
May 21 00:47:09 <oil> yo dawg?
May 21 00:49:16 <haeffb> http://www.twitter.com/twitter
May 21 00:51:46 <oil> does facebook have a twitter account and vice versa?
May 21 00:52:04 <Tibfib> I think so
May 21 00:52:15 <Tibfib> why yes, yes they do
May 21 00:52:24 <oil> heh
May 21 00:52:37 <Tibfib> http://twitter.com/facebook and http://facebook.com/Twitter
May 21 00:53:00 <Tibfib> doh, I know there is a twitter page on facebook
May 21 00:53:23 <Tibfib> oh, just not a short url like that
May 21 00:53:47 <dawm_> http://www.facebook.com/#!/apps/application.php?id=2231777543
May 21 00:55:54 <DocLee> My Nokia app submission response is a profanity laced masterpiece.
May 21 00:56:59 * oil bbl
May 21 01:21:40 <oil> wish i knew wtf was up with my internet
May 21 01:21:50 <halfhalo> unicorns
May 21 01:23:16 <rwhitby> oil: well, it is May 21.
May 21 01:23:26 <oil> ohh
May 21 01:24:49 <oil> its been going on for the last few days though
May 21 01:27:29 <halfhalo> your computer time traveled to the future briefly
May 21 01:36:03 <sugardave> stupid remote I-9 verification procedure and its stupid "locked out agent representative account" snafu
May 21 01:37:57 <haeffb> sounds unpleasant
May 21 01:38:21 <sugardave> yes, now I might have to take a drive to the nearest badging/security facility
May 21 01:38:27 <sugardave> maybe they have one here
May 21 01:38:31 <sugardave> if not, it's Houston
May 21 01:41:14 <DocLee> So, what time do the May 21st festivities kick off?
May 21 01:41:29 <sugardave> 6 PM
May 21 01:41:40 <DocLee> EST?  GMT?
May 21 01:41:45 <sugardave> we don't know
May 21 01:42:02 <sugardave> guessing from the shot of the guy who runs the radio station, I'm guessing EST
May 21 01:42:10 <SineOt> 6 EST
May 21 01:42:13 <SineOt> 3PM PST
May 21 01:42:27 <SineOt> (PST is all anyone should care about)
May 21 01:43:01 <DocLee> Except for us on the East Coast.
May 21 01:43:08 <halfhalo> you don't matter
May 21 01:43:19 <DocLee> You keep telling yourself that.
May 21 01:43:28 <halfhalo> winphone7 is weird... and needs to finish updating so I can stick the sim in the pre2 and doctor that
May 21 01:43:46 <sugardave> they NEVER announce shows in Mountain or Pacific time, so I'm thinking Eastern and Central are where it's at
May 21 01:44:42 <SineOt> Nah, if it's 8 EST it's probably going to get time delayed and air at 8 PST
May 21 01:44:50 <SineOt> Central on the hand... Just sucks.
May 21 01:44:57 <SineOt> So they bump it forward an hour.
May 21 01:45:13 <sugardave> you're confusing the whole Central timezone with Oklahoma
May 21 01:45:45 <Loudergood> I heard the guy was in california
May 21 01:46:21 <DocLee> If it's 6:00PM EST, then it's already the 22nd in Japan.
May 21 01:46:39 <sugardave> so basically, 20-23 hours from now (+17 minutes or so)
May 21 01:46:52 <DocLee> Yeah, he's in the Bay area
May 21 01:47:05 <sugardave> oh good, I just got 3 more hours :)
May 21 01:48:07 <SineOt> and yeah, he's in California
May 21 01:49:33 <Loudergood> besides, if I recall, us sinners who are stuck behind have until october before the world ends
May 21 01:49:51 <halfhalo> I'm ok with that
May 21 01:49:54 <sugardave> wow
May 21 01:49:56 <sugardave> that's awesome
May 21 01:50:14 <Loudergood> also, if this holds true I'm going to regret living in VT, not much to loot here in the least religious state in the country...
May 21 01:50:41 <DocLee> Macho Man died for your sins
May 21 01:51:40 <oil> ooooooh yeeeeeah?
May 21 01:52:23 <DocLee> And by the way, if the rapture does happen, I'm declaring the NDA not in effect.
May 21 01:52:31 <sugardave> agree
May 21 01:53:32 <oil> lol
May 21 01:54:47 <DocLee> Of course, if it happens, I suppose I don't need to finish this app either.
May 21 01:55:14 <oil> no, we'd still be here till october 25th
May 21 01:55:28 <oil> er, 21st
May 21 01:55:35 <oil> so says their website: http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/outreach/tracts/may21/
May 21 01:55:48 <DocLee> Yeah, you folks can sit here finishing up your apps.  My old self will be out slaying zombies
May 21 01:57:33 <Loudergood> time to write an App that slays zombies...
May 21 01:58:01 <DocLee> I'm starting with the ones coming out of Nokia in Finland
May 21 01:58:49 <DocLee> They've thoroughly pissed me off the last few days
May 21 01:59:38 <Loudergood> I thought the only ones staying at nokia were the zombies?
May 21 02:04:24 <DocLee> By the way...you can listen to the end of the world on Family Radio on TuneIn.  <plug>
May 21 02:06:01 <twbbas> How about a zombie-checker app? Just point camera at a person :D
May 21 02:06:22 <DocLee> Shoot first...Check later
May 21 02:23:19 <sugardave> double-tap reminder app
May 21 02:31:59 <haeffb> 101 ways to kill a zombie. AppBookShop
May 21 02:32:15 <Tibfib> win.
May 21 02:50:18 <oil> heh http://i.imgur.com/YrMnm.jpg
May 21 02:52:16 <PatrickC> heh
May 21 02:52:32 <PatrickC> the people who think the rapture is tomorrow is stupid lol
May 21 02:52:50 <PatrickC> Adora!! hey
May 21 02:52:57 <oil> is stupid?
May 21 02:53:08 <PatrickC> are stupid
May 21 02:53:12 <PatrickC> I'm tired lol
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