**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 26 02:59:57 2011
May 26 03:01:34 <DocLee> cwayne, Can you push another seen?
May 26 03:02:09 <DocLee> scene too
May 26 03:02:12 <cwayne> DocLee: it seems like if i call it elsewhere i can
May 26 03:03:30 <DocLee> cwayne, Is the oAuthSuccess actually triggering?
May 26 03:03:58 <cwayne> DocLee: yes
May 26 03:04:34 <DocLee> acctdash is added to depends.js or whatever it is in mojo?
May 26 03:04:54 <cwayne> DocLee: yep
May 26 03:06:44 * PatrickC walks back in
May 26 03:07:06 <DocLee> cwayne, Try making it Mojo.controller.blah
May 26 03:08:15 <PatrickC> this.Mojo.controller.stageController.pushScene("sceneName"); ?
May 26 03:08:26 <DocLee> No...
May 26 03:08:43 <DocLee> Did I say this.Mojo?
May 26 03:09:15 <PatrickC> so: Mojo.controller.stageController.pushScene("sceneName"); ?
May 26 03:09:52 <cwayne> DocLee: same thing
May 26 03:11:00 <DocLee> cwayne, throw away your Pre?
May 26 03:11:15 <cwayne> hah
May 26 03:13:34 <HQRaja> OK a few more questions about WebOS
May 26 03:13:47 <HQRaja> Basically confirmations required
May 26 03:14:16 <PatrickC> ok.. shoot
May 26 03:14:32 <HQRaja> If I get a WebOS device, I'll never need to root or jailbreak it, or install a custom ROM to unlock features, enable sideloading or tethering and do advanced stuff?
May 26 03:14:51 <PatrickC> nope
May 26 03:14:52 <PatrickC> just enable dev mode
May 26 03:15:11 <HQRaja> And enabling dev mode is easily done on all WebOS devices?
May 26 03:15:23 <PatrickC> yes
May 26 03:15:28 <PatrickC> you want the long way, or short? :)
May 26 03:15:34 <HQRaja> Without requiring some signup or some jailbreaking like process?
May 26 03:15:42 <HQRaja> Well any way that works
May 26 03:15:58 <PatrickC> you type at the main screen
May 26 03:16:03 <PatrickC> webos20090606
May 26 03:16:04 <PatrickC> and you are in
May 26 03:16:10 <HQRaja> I've rooted and done S-OFF on Android devices and installed Android on NAND of HTC HD2 which wasn't built to run Android, so I'm good at following guides
May 26 03:16:14 <PatrickC> its all done, nothing more required :)
May 26 03:16:19 <HQRaja> OK it's THAT easy?
May 26 03:16:22 <PatrickC> yes
May 26 03:16:30 <HQRaja> Awesome!
May 26 03:16:37 <HQRaja> Why isn't WebOS really taking off?
May 26 03:16:40 <HQRaja> :\
May 26 03:16:56 <PatrickC> hardware
May 26 03:17:17 <HQRaja> It's got everything one would want from a smartphone OS...except maybe for a huge number of apps but then...the more the users, the more developers will be attracted and the more the apps
May 26 03:17:20 <DocLee> Up to 4 stars on the Nokia app, just launched
May 26 03:17:28 <DocLee> After a failed launch a few weeks ago
May 26 03:17:29 <DocLee> hehe
May 26 03:17:38 <ryanwatkins> there is also the network effect of iOS is where all the apps are, which is where the customers go, whcih is where the developers go.
May 26 03:17:59 <HQRaja> And yeah...hardware could be an issue too, but when it comes to the looks, all WebOS devices look exceptionally well-built
May 26 03:18:03 <HQRaja> And feel so too
May 26 03:18:06 <DocLee> It's not just that.  iOS offers a much stronger development language.
May 26 03:18:16 <HQRaja> Plus these look really cute
May 26 03:18:40 <ryanwatkins> yea, its got brackets.  lots of nice brackets.
May 26 03:19:08 <HQRaja> Heh
May 26 03:19:16 <DocLee> It's perfectly feasible to develop a killer app using web languages.
May 26 03:19:28 <DocLee> They don't try to shoehorn you in to something like Mojo or E
May 26 03:19:39 <HQRaja> Yup...considering how mature web languages have become by now
May 26 03:20:00 <ryanwatkins> ha, ya apple is all about develop in whatever language you want.  not.
May 26 03:20:17 <DocLee> In terms of webapps, they are.
May 26 03:20:42 <ryanwatkins> i own two next cubes, ran nextstep in 92, so I know a bit about iOS.
May 26 03:20:50 <HQRaja> Apple is all about develop only what we see fit for you to develop.
May 26 03:20:57 <DocLee> You'd be surprised how many apps are developed with Sencha Touch and jqTouch
May 26 03:21:09 <HQRaja> Playing god i.e. without having the vision of God
May 26 03:21:50 <ryanwatkins> so here's a good one about how apple is such a great platform to develop for :
May 26 03:21:50 <HQRaja> Without having the vision for anything but fleecing the consumers and the developers while keeping as much control over them as possible
May 26 03:22:11 <ryanwatkins> work for a streaming video company, have rights to mobile devices.  not PC devices.
May 26 03:22:24 <ryanwatkins> build your iOS app.  shortly before your done the iPad comes out.
May 26 03:22:31 <ryanwatkins> say "apple we want to release an iPhone app"
May 26 03:22:41 <ryanwatkins> "you must release an iPad version too"
May 26 03:22:56 <HQRaja> Heh
May 26 03:22:57 <ryanwatkins> we dont have the rights to the video on iPad.
May 26 03:22:58 <rwhitby> iPad is "post-PC" isn't it ;)
May 26 03:23:10 <ryanwatkins> apple : we dont care, f**k off.
May 26 03:23:55 <DocLee> What does that have to do with the power of the programming language?
May 26 03:24:19 <ryanwatkins> its just a great example of how its a wonderful platform to build to.  to the whims of Jobs.
May 26 03:25:08 * DocLee shrugs
May 26 03:25:18 <DocLee> Sounds like the company should have gotten their ducks in a row beforehand.
May 26 03:25:24 * PatrickC only uses apple stuff if he has to
May 26 03:25:26 <HQRaja> But if you have the rights for phones running iOS, can it be that you don't have rights for tablets running iOS?
May 26 03:25:57 <ryanwatkins> yea, we should have seen that they'd come out with a tablet and not let you release your app only for the iphone?  you gotta be kidding.
May 26 03:25:58 <HQRaja> It's the same operating system, same manufacturer, essentially the same device with a larger screen and no calling functionality?
May 26 03:26:24 <DocLee> ryanwatkins, Sounds like you should have gotten a better license in the first place.
May 26 03:26:36 <DocLee> And it's really not like the tablet was some big secret
May 26 03:26:38 <HQRaja> No what I mean to say is...shouldn't the rights for iPhone cover those?
May 26 03:26:47 <PatrickC> yeah
May 26 03:26:49 <HQRaja> ask*
May 26 03:26:53 <ryanwatkins> DocLee: yea, thats trivial eh?  you wanna cough up a few million more for that license?
May 26 03:26:55 <PatrickC> they *should* imo
May 26 03:27:01 <ryanwatkins> no, they dont.
May 26 03:27:15 <HQRaja> That plain sucks!
May 26 03:27:22 <rwhitby> heh, "should" and "media rights" are completely orthogonal concepts
May 26 03:27:28 <PatrickC> haha
May 26 03:27:33 <HQRaja> Heh
May 26 03:27:38 <ryanwatkins> wonder why hulu plus iis required for xbox or ipad, not regular hulu?
May 26 03:27:43 <ryanwatkins> its the licenses.
May 26 03:27:51 <DocLee> ryanwatkins, You're talking to a person that has license agreements for streaming over 100,000 different terrestrial radio stations, podcasts, and internet radio stations in addition to about 1000 online TV stations...
May 26 03:28:01 <HQRaja> Well...same operating system, same manufacturer, essentially the same device + larger screen - phone calling/recieving, that's why I wondered
May 26 03:28:20 <HQRaja> It's not a PC either, yet they put it into that category rather than mobile?
May 26 03:28:22 <DocLee> Streaming is what...we...do.  Period.
May 26 03:28:53 <HQRaja> By now, it's understandable that they'd have a separate licensing category for tablets
May 26 03:29:06 <ryanwatkins> your license include Fox?  HBO?
May 26 03:29:15 <DocLee> Fox Radio
May 26 03:29:25 <ryanwatkins> Fox aka Simpsons.  not Talk radio.
May 26 03:29:42 <ryanwatkins> thats a few more $.
May 26 03:29:52 <HQRaja> Fox at times reminds me of Zorro
May 26 03:29:56 <DocLee> Have no desire to stream mainstream TV stations
May 26 03:30:00 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 03:30:10 <HQRaja> When I was little, I was obsessed with Zorro and would dress up as him often
May 26 03:30:30 <DocLee> We're called TuneIn Radio.  Not TuneIn TV
May 26 03:30:46 <PatrickC> you could be TuneIn TV :)
May 26 03:31:01 <HQRaja> Complete with a sword made out of the straighened aluminium handle of a water bucket heh
May 26 03:31:11 <HQRaja> And a whip made with a rope and black tape :D
May 26 03:31:49 <PatrickC> anyone on OSX in here? with webos dev experience?
May 26 03:31:52 <ryanwatkins> I'm sure nobody gives a damn if you stream that audio out a PC, phone or stereo component.
May 26 03:32:11 <DocLee> ryanwatkins, want to make a bet?
May 26 03:32:24 <ryanwatkins> Netflix, Hulu, ABC, HBO, Comcast and Timewarner care if you choose to stream it out a cell phone, PC or TV.
May 26 03:32:31 * PatrickC takes DocLee's side
May 26 03:33:02 <PatrickC> anyone on OSX?
May 26 03:33:09 <ryanwatkins> yes
May 26 03:33:16 <ryanwatkins> OSX and Win7 actually.
May 26 03:33:17 <DocLee> ryanwatkins, Just try to put out a SHOUTcast app for instance.
May 26 03:33:23 <PatrickC> how do you extract a IPK on OSX?
May 26 03:33:26 <DocLee> See if AOL doesn't sue you.
May 26 03:33:34 * halfhalo is on OSZ
May 26 03:33:40 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 03:33:41 <ryanwatkins> ha
May 26 03:33:45 <ryanwatkins> dunno
May 26 03:33:55 <PatrickC> I use 7Zip on windows
May 26 03:33:59 <PatrickC> but not sure on OSX
May 26 03:34:08 <ryanwatkins> its just zipped?
May 26 03:34:14 <DocLee> I think it's just a zip file
May 26 03:34:18 <DocLee> rename to zip and unzip
May 26 03:34:21 <PatrickC> yeah
May 26 03:34:24 <ryanwatkins> ya
May 26 03:34:29 <ryanwatkins> that
May 26 03:34:31 <Codhisattva> yeah tried that with gunzip and it just errors
May 26 03:34:37 <halfhalo> actually, I'm on os-gonna-lock-you-out-of-all-your-mail-due-to-a-bug-between-me-and-gmail
May 26 03:34:37 <DocLee> ryanwatkins, When we started this, we didn't have any licenses.
May 26 03:34:44 <DocLee> ryanwatkins, We ended up in court.
May 26 03:34:54 <ryanwatkins> nice way to start.
May 26 03:34:59 <dkirker> ar
May 26 03:34:59 <DocLee> Awesome way.
May 26 03:35:02 <PatrickC> really? that stinks
May 26 03:35:14 <ryanwatkins> I think thats Napster and Groovesharks approach too
May 26 03:35:16 <DocLee> Anyway, Clear Channel was the biggest opponent.
May 26 03:35:28 <DocLee> And they hammered us.
May 26 03:35:38 <DocLee> We still don't have a license to stream their streams.
May 26 03:35:42 <ryanwatkins> my former employer just got bought by Clear Channel.
May 26 03:36:07 <DocLee> But, every other radio station/podcast/internet stream we carry we had to acquire a license agreement.
May 26 03:36:23 <HQRaja> *sigh* the good old days when streams were where we fished or waded
May 26 03:36:30 <Codhisattva> you never got a license from my station
May 26 03:36:33 <DocLee> Thankfully, we were able to get that done quickly by partnering with the streaming service providers.
May 26 03:36:36 <halfhalo> global warming
May 26 03:36:49 <DocLee> Codhisattva, Who does your streaming
May 26 03:36:52 <Codhisattva> DocLee: me
May 26 03:37:01 <DocLee> Codhisattva, Are you in the database?
May 26 03:37:09 <Codhisattva> DocLee: but it's not uncommon for a legal team to be "mostly honest"
May 26 03:37:11 <Codhisattva> yes
May 26 03:37:22 <Codhisattva> the streaming service can't give you a license
May 26 03:37:23 <DocLee> What station?
May 26 03:37:35 <Codhisattva> you can't even get a license from ASCAP, BMI, SoundExchange
May 26 03:37:45 <DocLee> Codhisattva, the streaming service didn't give a license.  They contacted the stations for us to get licenses.
May 26 03:37:57 <Codhisattva> that's awkward
May 26 03:38:09 <DocLee> Not really.
May 26 03:38:34 <DocLee> We have a good relationship with Liquid and AOL
May 26 03:38:53 <ryanwatkins> I like Amazon and Googles approach to 'we dont need no stinkin licenses'
May 26 03:38:55 <DocLee> AOL was a general license.
May 26 03:39:04 <DocLee> Didn't matter.  They own the listing service.
May 26 03:39:10 <Codhisattva> radio is harsh though
May 26 03:39:15 <Codhisattva> just ask SoundExchange
May 26 03:39:23 <DocLee> So, if you're using a shoutcast server, you're most likely under that license agreement.
May 26 03:39:27 <Codhisattva> *they* are the lawyers you have to deal with
May 26 03:39:36 <Codhisattva> not with regards to music licensing
May 26 03:39:50 <Codhisattva> anyway, I've got to go
May 26 03:39:54 <Codhisattva> ciao and thanks for the tips :)
May 26 03:40:10 * ryanwatkins cant remember the last time he listened to a radio station.  Online or offline.
May 26 03:40:22 * halfhalo did this morning
May 26 03:40:40 * PatrickC is making a radio streaming app.. or was :/
May 26 03:41:24 <PatrickC> DocLee: how much is it for the licenses?
May 26 03:41:28 <halfhalo> course, all I listen to is xm or news
May 26 03:41:35 <DocLee> PatrickC, Can't disclose that.
May 26 03:41:45 <DocLee> It's on a per station basis
May 26 03:41:52 <PatrickC> ah
May 26 03:42:07 <PatrickC> well, is it $ $$ or $$$ ? can you say that?
May 26 03:42:19 <DocLee> Depends on the station
May 26 03:42:21 <PatrickC> just trying to figure out if I should continue with this app
May 26 03:42:27 <PatrickC> ok thanks
May 26 03:42:36 <rwhitby> PatrickC: one would guess that it's at least 4 figures
May 26 03:42:46 <halfhalo> per station
May 26 03:42:54 <PatrickC> dang.. that might put a halter on things :/
May 26 03:43:06 <halfhalo> yay money!
May 26 03:43:16 <PatrickC> hmm... what if I had my users supply their own link? would I need licenses for that?
May 26 03:43:17 <sugardave> if you're making an app for the radio station, then they should give you permission to stream it, or is this a different app?
May 26 03:43:31 <PatrickC> sugardave: different app
May 26 03:43:35 <ryanwatkins> Need more webOS apps that wakeup, sync and cache.  I live in a city w/ a subway.
May 26 03:43:39 <PatrickC> and I have permission for the other one
May 26 03:43:48 <sugardave> so finish that one
May 26 03:43:57 <PatrickC> its done
May 26 03:44:05 <PatrickC> all I need are graphics/working links
May 26 03:44:14 <rwhitby> ryanwatkins: amen to that
May 26 03:44:15 <halfhalo> soo... not done
May 26 03:44:20 * PatrickC also needs to learn cookies...
May 26 03:44:31 <halfhalo> ...
May 26 03:44:35 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I can do no more until I get stuff from them
May 26 03:44:51 <PatrickC> I'll learn cookies when Eloquent covers them :)
May 26 03:44:54 <DocLee> PatrickC, What station?
May 26 03:44:55 <sugardave> no
May 26 03:45:07 <PatrickC> DocLee: WJGM Radio
May 26 03:45:09 <sugardave> PatrickC: eloquent javascript is not going to cover Mojo cookies
May 26 03:45:15 <PatrickC> it isn't live yet
May 26 03:45:24 <PatrickC> it will cover if else
May 26 03:45:27 * rwhitby waits until Eloquent covers Enyo
May 26 03:45:36 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 03:45:38 <halfhalo> oh.. my.... god....
May 26 03:45:44 <sugardave> if (condition) {//do shit} else {//do other shit}
May 26 03:45:49 <sugardave> that's about it
May 26 03:45:50 * halfhalo walks away from phone before he snaps
May 26 03:45:55 <PatrickC> DocLee: http://wjgmradio.com
May 26 03:46:06 <rwhitby> sugardave: make sure you have line breaks after each shit
May 26 03:46:14 <sugardave> sage advice
May 26 03:46:35 <rwhitby> for life in general
May 26 03:46:35 <DocLee> PatrickC, Are you in Jacksonville?
May 26 03:46:54 * halfhalo practices the art of semicolons
May 26 03:47:01 <PatrickC> DocLee: I lived there for 14 years, now I live just south of Nashville, TN
May 26 03:47:14 * rwhitby refrains from a semi-colon joke
May 26 03:47:15 <PatrickC> but the station is located in Jacksonville, yeah
May 26 03:47:26 <DocLee> I can't stand Jacksonville.
May 26 03:47:27 <cwayne> lol;
May 26 03:47:28 <sugardave> it's hard to do shit with semi-colons
May 26 03:47:31 <PatrickC> why? haha
May 26 03:47:35 <DocLee> Lived in Nashville for 4 years though
May 26 03:47:42 <halfhalo> bazing!
May 26 03:47:49 <DocLee> It's just a huge city.
May 26 03:47:55 <DocLee> Without a real city
May 26 03:47:59 <PatrickC> I'm about 10 miles south of Murfreesboro
May 26 03:48:04 <cwayne> wait
May 26 03:48:05 <PatrickC> Jacksonville? yeah
May 26 03:48:07 <cwayne> is that a real town name
May 26 03:48:16 <PatrickC> Murfreesboro? yeah
May 26 03:48:20 <cwayne> bahahahahahaha
May 26 03:48:39 <PatrickC> look it up lol
May 26 03:48:41 <cwayne> sounds like someone got shitfaced and went on a town-naming spree
May 26 03:49:02 <PatrickC> Jacksonville's original name was Cowford :D
May 26 03:49:12 * halfhalo lives in the porn capital of the us.  which is a great fact as an icebreaker
May 26 03:49:19 <PatrickC> or Cow Ford*
May 26 03:49:46 <sugardave> PatrickC: you can also do if/else as a ternary operation like so:   (someVar === "value") ? console.log("TRUE") : console.log("FALSE");
May 26 03:50:23 <halfhalo> heh... ternary... those are fun
May 26 03:50:30 * cwayne loves ternarys
May 26 03:50:36 <halfhalo> until you start chaining them
May 26 03:50:40 <sugardave> heh
May 26 03:50:43 <PatrickC> sugardave: I'll cross that bridge when I get to it :)
May 26 03:50:49 <ryanwatkins> too many equal signs, live life on the edge.
May 26 03:51:00 <sugardave> NOOOOOO
May 26 03:51:06 <halfhalo> then it just looks like a line from a 14 year old girls aim chat with all the ? in them
May 26 03:51:07 <cwayne> halfhalo: oh i've chained them.  ow.
May 26 03:51:11 <PatrickC> what?
May 26 03:51:23 <sugardave> halfhalo: lol
May 26 03:51:35 <cwayne> halfhalo: I dOnT KnOw WhAt YoU MeAN???????xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
May 26 03:51:51 <halfhalo> I will hurt you
May 26 03:51:55 <halfhalo> :p
May 26 03:52:02 <cwayne> hah
May 26 03:52:19 * PatrickC is going to bed
May 26 03:52:37 <PatrickC> I will accomplish at least 1 chapter of Eloquent tomorrow
May 26 03:53:03 <halfhalo> honestly, I have nothing better to do than sit here making witty remarks while waiting to be unlocked out of my email
May 26 03:53:42 * PatrickC would ask how halfhalo got locked out in the first place, but I need to go to bed
May 26 03:54:09 <halfhalo> because a clean install of mac mail decided to download every message in all of my accounts. at once
May 26 03:54:20 <PatrickC> wow..
May 26 03:54:30 <cwayne> sounds about as fun as a sandpaper handjob
May 26 03:54:42 <halfhalo> I have well over 100k emails
May 26 03:54:55 <PatrickC> time to clean out the inbox's?
May 26 03:55:07 <sugardave> because halfhalo forgot to uncheck the box that said "download all now"
May 26 03:55:28 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 03:55:29 <halfhalo> its gmail, why would I ever delete stuff?
May 26 03:55:50 <PatrickC> because? something like this would happen?
May 26 03:55:52 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 03:56:02 <halfhalo> I blame mac mail
May 26 03:56:22 * PatrickC blames Mac in general
May 26 03:56:35 <PatrickC> who's Mac anyway? and why does he have his own mail?
May 26 03:56:57 <halfhalo> he's the guy who knows if/else stuff
May 26 03:57:18 <cwayne> lulz
May 26 03:57:19 * PatrickC is jealous 
May 26 03:57:25 <halfhalo> and switch
May 26 03:58:01 <halfhalo> not so much case
May 26 03:58:06 * PatrickC yawns
May 26 03:58:11 <PatrickC> goodnight
May 26 03:58:32 <sugardave> var doofus = true; if (doofus) {console.log("I'm a doofus!");} else {console.log("I'm not a doofus");}
May 26 03:58:57 <halfhalo> sugardave: there is a distinct lack of callbacks there
May 26 03:58:59 <sugardave> that's it, as simple as it can be made
May 26 04:00:12 <rwhitby> needs a future.next at least
May 26 04:01:05 <sugardave> oh man, I'm so behind
May 26 04:01:27 <sugardave> I anticipate having to refresh on node.js/services soon
May 26 04:01:38 <halfhalo> meh
May 26 04:01:52 <halfhalo> its not nodenode services
May 26 04:01:59 * ryanwatkins is paying no attention to node on webOS till its updated to atleast 0.4.
May 26 04:02:00 <halfhalo> stupid wrapper
May 26 04:03:13 <ryanwatkins> node community move too fast to go back and learn obsolete junk
May 26 04:03:45 <halfhalo> its mostly the same, save for sys
May 26 04:04:07 <sugardave> yeah, that is true...I did enough node in Mojo to make sure I could connect to a socket and print to the log, and then I shelved it :D
May 26 04:06:50 <ryanwatkins> ok, heres the magic moment .. finally dl'ed installed and moved around all the necessary files -- how much of my work just broke in tonights release?
May 26 04:07:40 * sugardave is going positive and says "10%."
May 26 04:07:48 <ryanwatkins> blank screen - woot.  "Cannot call method 'setContent' of undefined"
May 26 04:07:50 <ryanwatkins> bleh
May 26 04:07:57 <sugardave> bogus
May 26 04:08:12 <ryanwatkins> time to start digging
May 26 04:10:47 <ryanwatkins> ah, you lazy popups
May 26 04:17:18 <ryanwatkins> 3 lines and it mostly works.  woot
May 26 04:18:01 <dkirker> I just wrote a Todo list on my whiteboard, yet I have many perfectly capable smartphones...
May 26 04:18:01 <ryanwatkins> of ~4800 lines - less than 10%.  good call.
May 26 04:18:37 <ryanwatkins> whiteboard doesnt die when battery runs out.
May 26 04:18:54 <dkirker> true
May 26 04:19:03 <dkirker> but it also doesn't go with me everywhere...
May 26 04:19:11 <ryanwatkins> ya, slightly less portable.
May 26 04:19:18 <dkirker> especially this one
May 26 04:19:25 <dkirker> 6ft x ~3.5ft
May 26 04:19:51 <ryanwatkins> heh
May 26 04:24:48 <sugardave> ryanwatkins: WINNING
May 26 04:34:19 <halfhalo> lulz
May 26 04:34:36 * halfhalo has had 3 email accounts come back up so far
May 26 04:35:03 <halfhalo> 2 left
May 26 05:05:50 <DocLee> Matt killed WebOS
May 26 05:06:02 <halfhalo> good times...
May 26 05:07:36 <DocLee> That's my prediction
May 26 05:08:09 <HQRaja> Who's Matt?
May 26 05:08:39 <DocLee> Some person with delusions of grandeur
May 26 05:12:09 <HQRaja> Full name?
May 26 05:21:48 <PatrickC> its carry outside...
May 26 05:21:57 <PatrickC> scary*
May 26 05:22:14 <SineOt> I was gonna say… What are they carrying? D:
May 26 05:22:26 <PatrickC> lightning just struck right over my house!!!
May 26 05:22:29 * PatrickC hides in corner
May 26 05:22:32 <PatrickC> dang!!!
May 26 05:23:20 <PatrickC> uploading a small vid to utube
May 26 05:27:20 <halfhalo> didn't you say you were going to sleep like hours ago?
May 26 05:28:46 <PatrickC> I did go to sleep
May 26 05:29:11 <SineOt> You call that sleep? You're back on IRC!
May 26 05:29:20 <SineOt> Come back in like 8 hours
May 26 05:29:29 <PatrickC> till I had about 20 "Severe Thunderstorm Warnings" and "Tornado Watches" come in
May 26 05:29:38 <halfhalo> meh
May 26 05:29:55 <PatrickC> and the lightning strike over the house
May 26 05:30:03 * halfhalo slept through the northridge earthquake.  he can sleep through anything
May 26 05:30:09 <PatrickC> haha
May 26 05:30:37 * SineOt was rolling around in one of those little kid UFOs during the Whittier Narrows quake, and almost got to meet the flat side of a falling CRT TV! :U
May 26 05:31:13 <PatrickC> funnel clouds already spotted...
May 26 05:31:16 <PatrickC> oh joy
May 26 05:31:41 <halfhalo> and this is why I live in ca
May 26 05:31:48 <halfhalo> well, that and chicks
May 26 05:31:54 * PatrickC wants to move back to FL
May 26 05:33:15 <PatrickC> I would get on the lappy, but not when the lightning is like this :/
May 26 05:33:53 <halfhalo> ...
May 26 05:34:03 <halfhalo> what are you, outside?
May 26 05:34:14 <PatrickC> no.. power flashes
May 26 05:34:22 <PatrickC> and its not on a surge protector
May 26 05:34:27 <halfhalo> ...
May 26 05:34:35 <halfhalo> they cost like 5 bucks
May 26 05:34:48 <PatrickC> I have tons of them, just haven't put it on one yet :/
May 26 05:34:54 <halfhalo> ...
May 26 05:35:08 <halfhalo> thinking now is a good time
May 26 05:35:18 <PatrickC> idk where one is :P
May 26 05:36:22 * halfhalo hits the button to reenable monitor mode on his ups
May 26 05:36:46 <PatrickC> tracking a package?
May 26 05:37:10 <halfhalo> ups being uninteruptible power supply
May 26 05:37:21 <halfhalo> longwordonphonespellingfail
May 26 05:37:23 <PatrickC> ah
May 26 05:37:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> My friend has a ups for his server
May 26 05:39:07 <halfhalo> I have one for my desktops which is set to power everything down but a monitor, usb hdd's, and the two computers when it thinks my mac is off
May 26 05:39:33 <halfhalo> except power usage is so low at idle its tripping it
May 26 05:39:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hey, where's my favorite troll this evening? TOMMY
May 26 05:39:58 * PatrickC hides
May 26 05:41:33 <halfhalo> so there is this giant clack ever 30 seconds as it turns on/off the other monitors plus speakers, etc
May 26 05:42:24 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 05:43:25 * PatrickC doesn't like TN anymore... tooooooo many tornadoes!!
May 26 05:43:54 * halfhalo laughs
May 26 05:44:45 * PatrickC sends a earthquake/tsunami halfhalo's way
May 26 05:45:09 <PatrickC> with some radioactive water
May 26 05:45:27 <halfhalo> good times...
May 26 05:45:33 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 05:45:49 <PatrickC> how'd the water taste? :P
May 26 05:46:23 <halfhalo> like water
May 26 05:46:37 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 05:53:52 <PatrickC> great...
May 26 05:54:05 <PatrickC> tornado by me....
May 26 05:55:01 <PatrickC> ohgood... its past.. and I didn't even know it was here :P
May 26 06:32:48 <dkirker> 'evening Adora!
May 26 07:19:30 <broccoli> Hello :)
May 26 07:20:04 <broccoli> I'm trying to use the WebOS AresDebug on-line debugger, but I'm new to it and I can't find documentation on the proper way to use the command line console. I'm trying to change function return values when a program hits a break point.
May 26 07:20:12 <broccoli> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
May 26 07:50:43 <Adora> you can do a metadata update to change an app name to "Appname - SALE!" and then do another metadata update to change it back to original, yes?
May 26 07:52:05 <dkirker> Adora: I think so. I want to say the field is there for it.
May 26 07:53:52 <dkirker> I don't think that the app catalog would clip the title... (I know it either clips the title or the author)
May 26 07:54:28 <Adora> I'm trying to think through the business logic of changing app names
May 26 07:54:36 <Adora> what you can do and what you can't
May 26 07:55:19 <dkirker> Yeah. Definitely something to signify a sale would be useful, actually. I know some devs put it as the first line of the description, but... you can't see that from an app list.
May 26 07:55:42 <dkirker> hmmmm.... wait... shouldn't I be asleep?...
May 26 07:56:37 <hotdp> you should ;)
May 26 07:56:50 <dkirker> yeah...
May 26 08:00:06 <dkirker> hmmmm, I should write 1 line of code for Universe, and then sleep
May 26 08:00:30 <hotdp> yer you will sleeper better then :D
May 26 08:00:45 <dkirker> By the way, I highly recommend checking out Outliner. It is a very well written and thought out app for outlines.
May 26 08:07:13 <dkirker> Apparently Jon Landau wants to follow me on Twitter. Not sure if it is really him....
May 26 08:16:10 <dkirker> Alright, good night world!
May 26 11:12:05 <BeThere> Hello.  Finally got my EIN number :)
May 26 11:13:42 <BeThere> My current "Company Name" is Un-Map - as it's not an actual company, should it be changed to my proper name (and thus the same as on the EIN) or can I leep the orginal name ?
May 26 12:24:56 <b0bben> hey all
May 26 12:26:01 <b0bben> i wanna get some css inspiration (ie. steal) from one of the builtin apps, i remember copying those from the emulator once, but i forgot how i did it....anyone know?
May 26 14:19:33 <PatrickC> morning
May 26 15:07:47 <PatrickC> time to start Eloquent! :)
May 26 15:10:41 <PatrickC> sugardave: ping
May 26 15:11:05 <sugardave> mmhmm
May 26 15:11:19 <PatrickC> quick if/else question :)
May 26 15:11:29 <sugardave> var doofus = true; if (doofus) {console.log("I'm a doofus!");} else {console.log("I'm not a doofus");}
May 26 15:11:36 <PatrickC> I want it to be else {do nothing}
May 26 15:11:45 <sugardave> then you don't need an else
May 26 15:11:57 <PatrickC> so, it would just be
May 26 15:12:06 <sugardave> var doofus = true; if (doofus) {console.log("I'm a doofus!");}
May 26 15:12:21 <PatrickC> if (condition) {do crap};
May 26 15:12:28 <sugardave> yes
May 26 15:12:33 <PatrickC> ok thanks
May 26 15:12:37 <PatrickC> lets see if that works
May 26 15:12:38 <sugardave> no ; after the }
May 26 15:12:55 <PatrickC> ok
May 26 15:13:09 <PatrickC> grr... stupid power flash
May 26 15:13:20 <stbuehler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#Simple_examples
May 26 15:13:23 <stbuehler> start here :D
May 26 15:13:37 <PatrickC> ok, I'm also gonna start with Eloquent :)
May 26 15:22:35 <PatrickC> Anyone on 1.4.5(.1), visit this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/281287-running-2-x-apps-1-4-5-a.html
May 26 15:29:32 <PatrickC> sugardave: like so? http://pastebin.com/Xc9QFeNk
May 26 15:29:41 <PatrickC> lines 54 and 58
May 26 15:30:57 * oil_pre waits forever in juror room
May 26 15:31:31 <PatrickC> why are you there? jury duty?
May 26 15:32:08 <PatrickC> grr... doesn't look like its working :/
May 26 15:32:25 <oil_pre> does anyone show up to be a juror without being summoned for jury duty?
May 26 15:32:37 <sugardave> oil_pre: freaks?
May 26 15:32:43 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 15:32:43 <sugardave> the mentally infirm?
May 26 15:33:15 * PatrickC wishes this would just work.....
May 26 15:33:16 <oil_pre> idk
May 26 15:33:24 <Boopop> Looks like an if statement to me PatrickC
May 26 15:33:31 <Boopop> But I've never used Javascript
May 26 15:33:33 <Boopop> yet :3
May 26 15:33:33 <oil_pre> what doesn't work?
May 26 15:33:34 <Boopop> I just know Java
May 26 15:33:42 <PatrickC> oil: http://pastebin.com/Xc9QFeNk
May 26 15:33:47 <PatrickC> lines 54 and 58
May 26 15:33:57 <PatrickC> Boopop: it is
May 26 15:34:03 <PatrickC> I'm trying to make a cookie work
May 26 15:35:07 <sugardave> cookie.get() returns the whole cookie, which is made up of string/value pairs, it is not going to return the string "yes"
May 26 15:35:14 <sugardave> so the if will fail every time
May 26 15:35:15 <oil_pre> 54 and 58 are somments
May 26 15:35:27 <oil_pre> comments*
May 26 15:35:59 <PatrickC> oil: sorry, my bad.. lines 54 through 62
May 26 15:36:19 <PatrickC> the comments are for me to remember what I'm trying to do :)
May 26 15:36:45 <PatrickC> it seems that the cookie is set up right though.. as my setting sticks in the scene...
May 26 15:37:07 <sugardave> if (metrixData)....  will see if the cookie.get() operation failed or not
May 26 15:37:21 <oil_pre> in that case sugardave is correct
May 26 15:37:25 <PatrickC> ah
May 26 15:37:32 <PatrickC> hmm..
May 26 15:38:13 <haeffb_pre> "sugardave is correct"...don't hear that very often
May 26 15:38:41 <sugardave> I have new super-powers
May 26 15:38:53 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 15:38:59 <PatrickC> so.. how would I fix it?
May 26 15:39:25 <haeffb_pre> PatrickC: Mojo.Log.info("MetrixCookie is %j", metrixCookie);
May 26 15:39:38 <sugardave> if (metrixData)...instead of if (metrixData == "yes")... would be the first thing I'd try
May 26 15:39:40 <haeffb_pre> see what your cookie is returning
May 26 15:39:51 <PatrickC> sugardave: ok
May 26 15:40:11 <PatrickC> haeffb_pre: ok.. stupid question time... that goes outside the cookie right?
May 26 15:40:12 * PatrickC ducks
May 26 15:41:06 <sugardave> haeffb_pre's statement is meant to stand alone after you do new Mojo.Model.Cookie
May 26 15:41:23 <PatrickC> ok, thought so
May 26 15:41:26 <haeffb_pre> stick it in at line 57
May 26 15:41:26 <PatrickC> just making sure
May 26 15:41:43 * oil_pre thinks patric should go back to his book haha
May 26 15:43:17 <haeffb_pre> sorry, metrixData, not metrixCookie
May 26 15:43:53 <halfhalo> bah, books
May 26 15:44:20 * halfhalo dunnos whats going on
May 26 15:44:32 * haeffb_pre can't read until I get Kindle on my TouchPad
May 26 15:44:45 * halfhalo has kindle on his kindle
May 26 15:44:46 <haeffb_pre> and get my TouchPad
May 26 15:45:15 <PatrickC> haeffb_pre: it isn't spitting anything out in the log when I toggle it..
May 26 15:46:05 <halfhalo> mmm.... cookies...
May 26 15:46:07 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I finally *almost* got my cookie working, thanks to sugardave!! :)
May 26 15:46:26 <halfhalo> That statement is so full of loss its not even funny
May 26 15:46:44 <PatrickC> its saving (I think?)
May 26 15:46:51 <PatrickC> when I leave the scene and come back
May 26 15:47:00 <PatrickC> the toggle is in the position it was when I left it
May 26 15:48:13 <sugardave> dude, setup isn't going to be run when you toggle it, so that's not when you will see the log..it will only happen ONCE each time the scene is setup..that's why the method is called setup
May 26 15:48:19 <PatrickC> but for some reason, it isn't saving at the same time..
May 26 15:48:53 <PatrickC> ok.. ok..
May 26 15:50:03 <PatrickC> do I need to popScene or do anything special for preferences?
May 26 15:52:06 <PatrickC> ok.. if(metrixData)... still doesn't work
May 26 15:52:13 <sugardave> when your toggle changes, you listen to propertyChange event, in there write the cookie
May 26 15:52:16 <sugardave> done
May 26 15:52:51 <PatrickC> so:
May 26 15:53:58 <PatrickC> Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.get("metrixToggle"), Mojo.Event.propertyChange, this.handelUpdateToggle.bindAsEventListener(this));
May 26 15:53:58 <PatrickC> ?
May 26 15:55:53 <sugardave> did you try it?
May 26 15:56:03 <PatrickC> trying it now
May 26 15:57:31 <PatrickC> nope, metrix is still collecting data even when the toggle is set to know
May 26 15:57:32 <PatrickC> no*
May 26 15:58:13 <halfhalo> yer doin' it wrong
May 26 15:58:20 <PatrickC> I put the if statement in the handleUpdateToggle ? right?
May 26 15:58:35 <PatrickC> not in the stageAssistant?
May 26 16:00:26 <sugardave> here's the deal with programming...you need to plan how your design should be...it's called architecting.  If you understand the app/scene lifecycle, you should be able to determine where the best place to put things like preference saving code
May 26 16:00:59 <PatrickC> the entire apps built, except for preferences..
May 26 16:01:01 <sugardave> if you're going to need to manipulate a certain cookie in multiple scenes, then you MIGHT put the handling code in the stageAssistant and call it whenever necessary
May 26 16:01:41 <PatrickC> I put it into the stageAssistant again
May 26 16:02:27 <PatrickC> now, I call it with:
May 26 16:02:32 <PatrickC> metrixCookie.get()
May 26 16:02:33 <PatrickC> ?
May 26 16:04:08 <sugardave> well, at this point it sounds like random key-bashing will help you....as it seems you have still not grokked how Mojo cookies work, despite several attempts to get you to understand the examples on webos101 and the docs
May 26 16:04:13 <halfhalo> seriously, this is like the _basic_ crap that even my brother knows, and he barely knows anything.
May 26 16:04:48 <PatrickC> I'll take a look at webos101 again (its been a while)
May 26 16:05:12 <sugardave> read cookie; if toggleValue is on, set a flag so you can use metrix; if toggleValue is off, don't set the flag
May 26 16:05:21 <halfhalo> Yeah
May 26 16:05:27 <halfhalo> this is not f'ing rocket science
May 26 16:06:24 <PatrickC> so I use this to save:
May 26 16:06:27 <halfhalo> (although js on a rocket would be really really cool)
May 26 16:06:27 <PatrickC> this.myValue = "my first cookie";
May 26 16:06:40 <PatrickC> and this to get:
May 26 16:06:43 <PatrickC> this.savedValueCookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie('YourCookieName');
May 26 16:06:43 <PatrickC> ?
May 26 16:07:11 * halfhalo gives up and walks away from computer before someone gets hurt
May 26 16:07:26 <PatrickC> ok, bye halfhalo........
May 26 16:07:44 <sugardave> var aCookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie('aCookie'); var someData = "someData"; aCookie.put(someData);
May 26 16:07:52 <sugardave> that's how you save data to a Mojo cookie
May 26 16:08:06 <PatrickC> ok
May 26 16:08:27 <SineOt> Oh PatrickC :'3
May 26 16:08:34 <sugardave> the horror
May 26 16:09:15 <PatrickC> is the "Cookie Bakery Example" what I need to look at?
May 26 16:09:33 <PatrickC> I remember that being brought up before.. I forget if it was good or bad though
May 26 16:10:32 <sugardave> well, if you ask me...the cookie bakery is the most awesome Mojo cookie manager ever created
May 26 16:10:44 <sugardave> but, I'm biased
May 26 16:10:46 <halfhalo> ever? hmmm....
May 26 16:10:55 <SineOt> The bakery confuses even me
May 26 16:10:57 <PatrickC> haha ok
May 26 16:10:59 <PatrickC> I'll look at it
May 26 16:11:01 <SineOt> what do you think it'd do to PatrickC
May 26 16:11:24 <PatrickC> I haven't read the whole example yet.. I'll read it and get back to you :)
May 26 16:12:35 <haeffb_pre> PatrickC: do NOT look at the bakery
May 26 16:12:41 <PatrickC> ok
May 26 16:12:44 <sugardave> don't listen to haeffb_pre
May 26 16:12:49 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 16:12:51 * PatrickC is confused 
May 26 16:12:58 <sugardave> yes
May 26 16:13:01 <sugardave> that's true
May 26 16:13:06 * halfhalo nomnoms on popcorn
May 26 16:13:06 <haeffb_pre> we know
May 26 16:13:42 * PatrickC wonders if he should just wait for enyo... :/
May 26 16:13:49 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: is he can't understand how saving / getting a cookie works, the bakery will not help
May 26 16:14:30 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: yes, well it seems I can't explain cookies in simple enough terms, but I can sure as shit explain how the bakery works :)
May 26 16:15:11 <haeffb_pre> "simple enough" seems to be key here
May 26 16:15:28 <SineOt> you .put a cookie, and you .get a cookie
May 26 16:15:34 <SineOt> PORBLOM SALVED
May 26 16:15:41 <sugardave> I tried that way
May 26 16:15:44 <sugardave> it failed
May 26 16:16:05 <PatrickC> I can provide the whole source if that would be easier
May 26 16:16:28 <sugardave> NO
May 26 16:16:49 <PatrickC> ok
May 26 16:17:29 <sugardave> cool, I'm finally going to get some hardware: http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6680
May 26 16:17:59 <halfhalo> sweet
May 26 16:18:59 <PatrickC> can I have some?
May 26 16:19:44 <cwayne> WOOOOOOOOO NEW LAPTOP WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
May 26 16:19:46 <cwayne> fuckyea
May 26 16:20:05 <PatrickC> cwayne: what kind?
May 26 16:20:07 <sugardave> mmm, I get one of those next week
May 26 16:20:34 <PatrickC> sugardave: a dell? :)
May 26 16:20:53 <hotdp> sugardave: apple?
May 26 16:21:06 <SineOt> PatrickC: http://pastebin.com/EbyDiu1j
May 26 16:21:17 <SineOt> This is the most simple, easy to understand example of a cookie
May 26 16:21:24 <SineOt> I hope dearly that you can figure it out
May 26 16:21:46 <sugardave> I'm hoping for an Elite class...i5 or better, we'll see ;)
May 26 16:22:18 <PatrickC> SineOt: looks pretty simple
May 26 16:22:21 <SineOt> 17" i7 Quad Macbook Pro
May 26 16:22:28 <PatrickC> it would work the same way with a toggle, right?
May 26 16:22:31 <SineOt> PatrickC: it is. That's why I'm absolutely dumb founded that you can't figure it out
May 26 16:22:38 <SineOt> :I
May 26 16:22:46 <PatrickC> that's from a textField, right?
May 26 16:22:56 <cwayne> lenovo t420s
May 26 16:22:57 <cwayne> mmmmm
May 26 16:23:05 <PatrickC> mbp... mmmmm
May 26 16:23:21 <SineOt> :I :I :I :I
May 26 16:23:32 * halfhalo shall be getting a MBA as his next laptop
May 26 16:24:35 * halfhalo goes to edit webaws.com to make it not be spidered
May 26 16:24:57 * PatrickC goes back to Eloquent 
May 26 16:25:48 <SineOt> PatrickC: It'd work for anything. You'd have to adjust the logic for what you want to do, but that... That's not difficult
May 26 16:26:09 <PatrickC> ok, thought so
May 26 16:26:29 <SineOt> that you had to think about it and ask is kind of :I
May 26 16:26:50 <sugardave> "kind of"
May 26 16:27:21 <PatrickC> I'm wondering why my working cookie doesn't use a var?
May 26 16:27:39 <sugardave> read about the var keyword and why/when you should use it
May 26 16:27:43 <SineOt> Because you can declare stuff without var
May 26 16:28:50 <SineOt> I got an email from Diane Feinstein, but... I can't remember what I emailed her about.
May 26 16:32:22 <sugardave> why does that name sound familiar?
May 26 16:33:02 <sugardave> oh right, she's an evil liberal senator from California
May 26 16:35:53 <SineOt> Yeah apparently I emailed her about the office of drug policy but I have no recollection of doing so!
May 26 16:36:11 <hotdp> where you on drugs when you did it?
May 26 16:37:33 <SineOt> Doubtful.
May 26 16:37:43 <SineOt> I'd have been watching Ponies instead of emailing senators.
May 26 16:37:56 <hotdp> hehe
May 26 16:44:31 <SineOt> I love reading about people with devices they don't really seem to know how to use :'3
May 26 16:44:47 <PatrickC> haha
May 26 16:52:24 <SineOt> Tibfib_uk? :o
May 26 16:52:56 <halfhalo> dundun
May 26 16:55:19 <SineOt> You know what would be killer? webOS running WebKit 2
May 26 16:58:41 <oil> waste of time :/
May 26 16:59:04 <oil> (not webos running webkit 2, jury duty)
May 26 16:59:15 <halfhalo> dundundun
May 26 16:59:41 <sugardave> I just told the judge at my last summons: "Well, I had some hot checks once and I'm not sure if it counted as felony level or not."  "Dismissed."
May 26 17:00:28 <SineOt> I was going to sit on a jury (Juror 2!) but then during the lunch break they settled.
May 26 17:00:39 <SineOt> But at least it was two days, so I got paid for it.
May 26 17:01:37 * PatrickC hasn't gotten jury duty yet :D
May 26 17:02:26 <PatrickC> leftover Maggiano's!!!!!! :D
May 26 17:04:15 <oil> SineOt: that happened monday
May 26 17:04:28 <halfhalo> lulz
May 26 17:04:32 <oil> just, they didn't change their plea until after we sat in the jury room for 3 hours after lunch
May 26 17:04:33 <SineOt> Ahaha, they had you come back to try again?
May 26 17:04:51 <oil> yeah
May 26 17:04:55 <oil> but didn't get picked this time
May 26 17:04:57 <SineOt> That's dumb
May 26 17:05:04 <oil> i still gotta call in tonight and next week
May 26 17:05:07 <halfhalo> or did you....
May 26 17:05:18 <SineOt> I got dismissed when they settled and fulfilled my duty to the courts
May 26 17:05:24 <SineOt> so I only had to go in 2 days
May 26 17:05:29 <SineOt> do you at least get paid for it?
May 26 17:05:34 <oil> slave wages
May 26 17:05:43 <sugardave> barely enough for lunch
May 26 17:05:44 <oil> $10 a day + mileage
May 26 17:05:45 <halfhalo> just become clinically insane, then you don't have to do it at all!
May 26 17:05:56 <SineOt> Yeah, but at least it's slave wages instead of noooooooooothhhhhinnnnngggggggg the most brutal of payments everrrrr
May 26 17:05:58 * oil prefers not to take the halfhalo way out of jury duty
May 26 17:06:07 <sugardave> "Don't you know who I am?  I wrote wIRC for chrissake!"
May 26 17:06:28 <oil> lol
May 26 17:06:31 <oil> that doesnt work anywhere
May 26 17:06:42 <halfhalo> "I wrote windows goddamit!"
May 26 17:06:57 <oil> that would only lead to "how do i get rid of these damn popups?"
May 26 17:07:04 <halfhalo> format
May 26 17:07:57 <oil> xboxlive friends still not in the feed ;(
May 26 17:08:02 <halfhalo> hmm.... time to break into the desktop computer here
May 26 17:08:48 <SineOt> Wrr wrr wrr.
May 26 17:09:50 <halfhalo> mostly because its faster than calling up central it and getting them to boot from a cd
May 26 17:10:00 <halfhalo> so.... I just break into the bios!
May 26 17:10:58 <oil> relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng
May 26 17:11:44 <halfhalo> yes
May 26 17:11:50 <hotdp> my unix system is not like that
May 26 17:12:52 <halfhalo> mine has unicorns
May 26 17:16:05 <sugardave> unixorns
May 26 17:17:27 <halfhalo> yes
May 26 17:19:08 <halfhalo> only you can prevent forest fires.... OF LOVE!
May 26 17:20:05 <halfhalo> So, installing ubuntu on the desktop thats hooked up to the projector here and ubuntu has decided to make the resolution like, 1x1, not allowing me to click next in the installation process
May 26 17:20:24 <sugardave> bank time
May 26 17:24:38 <halfhalo> weeee!!!!
May 26 17:32:46 <Loudergood> halfhalo: I have that problem with a 720p projector...all the damned dialogs are too tall
May 26 17:49:48 <MetaView> hi
May 26 18:05:59 <SineOt> Why does HP have to do cool stuff like… Give away free Veers on the NY subway? Why not the LA subway?
May 26 18:06:07 <SineOt> (comedy option that HP doesn't even know it exists)
May 26 18:08:18 <ryanwatkins> ugh, not my line  :/
May 26 18:09:07 <SineOt> You ride the NYC subway?
May 26 18:09:20 <ryanwatkins> ya
May 26 18:09:52 <SineOt> I'd ride the LA subway… If people would let Metro actually extend it >:C
May 26 18:20:05 <RagingMind> I've only ever been on the Chicago and Munich subways
May 26 18:20:55 <Loudergood> I've been on NY, Boston, and DC
May 26 18:21:11 <Loudergood> DC is definately the cleanest
May 26 18:21:38 <RagingMind> too many politicians around to complain if it gets dirty
May 26 18:22:25 <halfhalo> since when did LA have a subway
May 26 18:23:11 <SineOt> since like, a long ass time
May 26 18:23:27 <halfhalo> never seen it before
May 26 18:23:37 <SineOt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Line_(Los_Angeles_Metro)
May 26 18:23:42 <SineOt> And there's also the Purple Line
May 26 18:23:49 * Tibfib_uk has ridden the london tube all over the past few days
May 26 18:23:49 <SineOt> it's a subway, isn't that kind of the point? XD
May 26 18:24:08 <RagingMind> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_County_Metro_Rail
May 26 18:46:24 <Boopop> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HP-Palm-Pre-2-Phone-Brand-New-Unlocked-16GB-/260791089152?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb85c3800
May 26 18:46:28 <Boopop> Isn't that rather cheap?
May 26 18:48:30 <SineOt> Yeah, it is
May 26 18:48:59 <SineOt> and he's got 4 of them
May 26 18:49:09 <Boopop> I'm....a tiny bit tempted
May 26 18:49:10 <Boopop> I guess
May 26 18:49:14 <Boopop> anyone else?
May 26 18:49:21 <Boopop> seems a bit dodgy what with the low feedback score
May 26 18:51:08 <Boopop> And the username is hp--london 0.o
May 26 18:51:31 <hotdp> lol
May 26 18:51:36 <SineOt> Well, more dodgy given that the only 4 things that have been sold have been hair straighteners and epilators
May 26 18:51:36 <hotdp> thats kind of dunny
May 26 18:51:52 <Boopop> Yeah I was looking at that too SineOt xD
May 26 18:52:11 <SineOt> If they are new in box, I can only imagine it's someone skimming off a few devices from their work place
May 26 18:52:29 <Boopop> maybe I should make a cheeky offer xD
May 26 18:52:32 <Boopop> £140 :P
May 26 18:53:02 <SineOt> Or ask where they got them from :p
May 26 18:53:16 <SineOt> 4 of them, new in box, for that price, they've got to be "missing" stock
May 26 18:54:24 <Boopop> There we go, sent a message asking why so cheap
May 26 18:54:44 <Boopop> I'm kinda tempted to have a go, but I'm not really having any problems with my pre- so meh
May 26 18:55:44 <SineOt> Yeah, I'd be tempted too. I'd just be kind of iffy on where they came from
May 26 18:56:04 <SineOt> I remember when Woot sold a bunch of video cards that in the end turned out to have been all stolen XD
May 26 18:56:25 <Boopop> Well I bought an iPod Classic 160GB for £75 brand new off gumtree a few days ago
May 26 18:56:36 <Boopop> I have no evidence that it was stolen so I'm not bothered
May 26 18:57:11 <SineOt> Yeah
May 26 18:57:34 <SineOt> I'd hope it wasn't, since Apple is one of the few places that seems to be up on actually checking serials to see if they've been reported lost/stolen
May 26 18:58:16 <Boopop> well I don't use iTunes anyway so... xD
May 26 19:00:37 <SineOt> I meant more for like, in store stuff and repairs etc
May 26 19:01:58 <Boopop> oic
May 26 19:02:09 <BigWookie> I tried the service guide https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/js-services/creating-hello-world-service.html, but it's not working ( nothing changed ) and i've got this error message ERROR: "com.palm.helloworld.service" does not have sufficient outbound permissions to communicate with "com.palm.activitymanager" (requester pid: 6150, requester exe: "/bin/node" requester cmdline: "com.palm.helloworld.service.js /var/palm/ls2")
May 26 19:07:18 * PatrickC wanders in
May 26 19:47:04 <PatrickC> hey adora
May 26 19:47:52 <cwayne> THIS LAPTOP IS AMAZING
May 26 19:48:06 * PatrickC 's isn't :/
May 26 19:48:36 <Loudergood> apparently it has a broken capslock
May 26 19:48:56 <PatrickC> haha
May 26 19:49:06 <Boopop> Zzzzing
May 26 19:49:14 <SineOt> no it just blew his fingers off
May 26 19:49:16 <SineOt> too much awesome
May 26 19:49:26 <Boopop> SineOt: Just got a reply "Just get it cheap, so sell it cheap. If still doubt, you are welcome to come and collect. :-)"
May 26 19:49:56 <PatrickC> Boopop: what's that?
May 26 19:50:04 <Boopop> Pre 2 on ebay brand new for £170
May 26 19:50:27 <PatrickC> cool!
May 26 19:50:31 <SineOt> That's not fishy sounding! Not at all!
May 26 19:50:37 <PatrickC> oh, I'm taking Eloquent JS too :)
May 26 19:50:58 <Boopop> Made an offer of £155
May 26 19:50:59 <Boopop> lo
May 26 19:51:05 <Boopop> lol*
May 26 19:51:42 <Boopop> wow
May 26 19:51:43 <Boopop> offer accepted
May 26 19:51:45 <Boopop> hm
May 26 19:51:49 <Boopop> looks like I have a pre 2
May 26 19:51:57 <Boopop> deffo paying by paypal!
May 26 19:52:10 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 19:52:59 <PatrickC> the pre2 is amazing
May 26 19:53:01 <PatrickC> imho
May 26 19:53:19 <PatrickC> hey, anyone else download Angry Birds free on Chrome today?
May 26 19:53:20 <Boopop> Well I don't have any problems with my Pre -
May 26 19:53:30 <Boopop> but then for £100+ off normal price
May 26 19:53:51 * PatrickC hates his Pre-.... 
May 26 19:53:55 <Boopop> How come?
May 26 19:53:58 <Boopop> I like mine =)
May 26 19:54:02 <PatrickC> but it has webOS... so... I'll stay on it
May 26 19:54:07 <PatrickC> you won't once you get your pre2 ;)
May 26 19:54:27 <PatrickC> I have a Sprint Pre- and 2 unlocked Pre2s
May 26 19:54:37 <PatrickC> I cannot use either Pre2 on sprint..
May 26 19:55:05 <cwayne> FRANKENPRE
May 26 19:55:16 <PatrickC> I will.. once I get another Pre-
May 26 19:55:24 <PatrickC> I have a feeling I'll screw something up
May 26 19:55:29 <cwayne> ps Loudergood, everyone knows caps lock is cruise control for cool.
May 26 19:55:41 <Boopop> :D
May 26 19:55:42 <PatrickC> so I want another pre to fall back onto once/if I break the first one :)
May 26 19:55:43 <Boopop> love it!
May 26 19:55:48 <PatrickC> CWAYNE: IT IS?
May 26 19:55:49 * NuttyBunny got an HP computer last night! :D
May 26 19:55:51 <Boopop> Don't think I'll tell my housemates about this purchase
May 26 19:55:54 <Loudergood> you have to get up to cool before you engage ;)
May 26 19:55:58 <Boopop> they're banging on about how I keep buying things!
May 26 19:56:10 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: fix it yet??????
May 26 19:56:31 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: yeah, it fixed itself and got rid of Norton! :D
May 26 19:56:42 <PatrickC> yay!!! MSE time :)
May 26 19:58:00 <cwayne> NuttyBunny: get some ubuntu on that
May 26 19:58:15 <PatrickC> and some Hackintosh :)
May 26 19:58:31 * PatrickC is kidding of course :P
May 26 19:59:01 <Boopop> I had a hackintosh at one point =)
May 26 19:59:04 <Boopop> was fun!
May 26 19:59:07 <Boopop> Now I have a macbook instead xD
May 26 19:59:16 <PatrickC> heh
May 26 19:59:22 <Boopop> and a desktop
May 26 19:59:26 <Boopop> prefer my desktop
May 26 19:59:32 <Boopop> but Macbook is still nice =)
May 26 19:59:46 * PatrickC wants to run a hackintosh.. but also wants to follow the law :/
May 26 19:59:56 <NuttyBunny> cwayne: I thought of doing so, but it's a netbook, for my mom's birthday, to replace her 7 year old desktop :D
May 26 20:00:05 <Boopop> You actually afraid of getting in trouble for having a hackintosh PatrickC ? xD
May 26 20:00:07 <cwayne> NuttyBunny: it could work :P
May 26 20:00:15 <PatrickC> Boopop: no
May 26 20:00:20 <cwayne> PatrickC: following the law is stupid
May 26 20:00:21 <Boopop> Oh good xD
May 26 20:00:26 <PatrickC> I doubt i'd get in trouble :P
May 26 20:00:29 <PatrickC> its just principal haha
May 26 20:00:37 <Boopop> pfft principal
May 26 20:00:42 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 20:01:06 <PatrickC> if I had a hackintosh, I would use it to make an iOs app for my church
May 26 20:01:16 <PatrickC> but I would be breaking the law while making the app
May 26 20:01:17 <Boopop> ah that's different
May 26 20:01:23 <Boopop> lol I guess you would :P
May 26 20:01:24 <PatrickC> therefore, I won't to it :)
May 26 20:02:14 <PatrickC> Boopop: you have any webdev experience?
May 26 20:02:21 <Boopop> not really
May 26 20:02:29 <Boopop> I just know Java!
May 26 20:02:44 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 20:02:57 <Boopop> and C# and C I guess
May 26 20:02:58 <PatrickC> want to write a Java tutorial? :)
May 26 20:03:02 <Boopop> barely used either of them
May 26 20:03:03 <PatrickC> I run a tutorial site
May 26 20:03:05 <Boopop> umm, no not really :P
May 26 20:03:07 <Boopop> sorry xD
May 26 20:03:10 <Boopop> I'm not that great
May 26 20:03:14 <PatrickC> haha ok that's fine :)
May 26 20:03:37 <Boopop> Good luck finding someone however!
May 26 20:03:46 <PatrickC> thanks
May 26 20:04:42 <PatrickC> I'm doing the HTML, NuttyBunny is doing the JS, and someone else is doing the CSS tutorial
May 26 20:04:52 <Boopop> nice :)
May 26 20:05:00 <PatrickC> yep :)
May 26 20:05:10 <PatrickC> sugardave is doing the Mojo tutorial as well
May 26 20:05:14 * PatrickC ducks
May 26 20:05:21 <Boopop> ha
May 26 20:05:27 <Boopop> I take it that means he doesn't know it yet :p
May 26 20:05:34 <PatrickC> hehehe
May 26 20:05:38 <PatrickC> yeah :)
May 26 20:05:46 <PatrickC> I don't think he's gonna do it though
May 26 20:06:02 <PatrickC> with being a bigshot who works at Palm now... xD
May 26 20:06:52 <cwayne> lolool
May 26 20:07:10 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: please change that to "NuttyBunny will do the JS once he has some time" :D
May 26 20:07:11 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 26 20:07:22 <PatrickC> hahaha
May 26 20:07:43 * PatrickC only has the beginner tutorial done for HTML.. needs to work on the Intermediate :P
May 26 20:08:19 <PatrickC> Boopop: http://simpletutorials.x10.bz and http://wiki.simpletutorials.x10.bz are the tutorial sites :)
May 26 20:08:34 <Boopop> I'll have a look at some point :)
May 26 20:08:34 <PatrickC> the wiki is still "under construction" though
May 26 20:08:43 <PatrickC> ok thanks :)
May 26 20:08:47 <Boopop> watching a tv programme atm about the human body =)
May 26 20:08:53 <PatrickC> all we have up now is a HTML tutorial
May 26 20:08:58 <PatrickC> fun..
May 26 20:09:11 <Boopop> It is! :P
May 26 20:09:11 <PatrickC> that reminds me.. I have like 10 bio labs that I have to do tomorrow
May 26 20:09:27 <Boopop> I'm watching a macrophage kill a fungal spore in a lung :P
May 26 20:09:32 <cwayne> PatrickC: whats this x10.bz shit
May 26 20:10:02 <PatrickC> cwayne: http://x10hosting.com
May 26 20:10:16 <PatrickC> unlimited storage and bandwidth (to a certain extent of course)
May 26 20:10:28 <Boopop> Not unlimited then :P
May 26 20:10:38 <PatrickC> with 3 (or maybe 2, I forget) sub-domains, 3 emails
May 26 20:10:54 <cwayne> hah
May 26 20:11:05 <cwayne> just get a vps :P
May 26 20:11:14 <PatrickC> Boopop: well, they give you tons of space, they don't cap you, they just will one day say " You are using too much space"
May 26 20:11:19 <PatrickC> cwayne: this is free :D
May 26 20:13:09 * sugardave has an idea.  "Once you figure out Mojo cookies, YOU write a Mojo tutorial."
May 26 20:13:40 * PatrickC still thinks sugardave should write it :)
May 26 20:13:51 <sugardave> I have done some, thanks
May 26 20:14:12 <PatrickC> I will never know as much mojo as the mojo master :P
May 26 20:14:22 <PatrickC> and.. I'll probably wait for Enyo too..
May 26 20:14:42 <sugardave> not a lot of incentive for Mojo tutorial-writing because of Enyo
May 26 20:14:58 <PatrickC> yeah
May 26 20:15:19 <PatrickC> that's why I'm not trying real hard to get *Mojo*.cookie to work
May 26 20:15:34 <Boopop> You're an inspiration :P
May 26 20:15:46 <PatrickC> who? me? hahahaha
May 26 20:15:50 <Boopop> xD
May 26 20:16:40 <PatrickC> Boopop: I suggest, if you aren't wanting an app out, like really soon, then don't bother with Mojo
May 26 20:16:52 <PatrickC> join the EAP, and do Enyo :)
May 26 20:17:38 <Boopop> You can write enyo now?
May 26 20:17:54 <PatrickC> the EAP has been for quite a while now..
May 26 20:18:05 <Boopop> And what do you have to do to join the EAP?
May 26 20:18:30 <Boopop> And what's the difference between the two? do they still use javascript or...?
May 26 20:18:37 <PatrickC> email pdc@palm.com and request EA access :)
May 26 20:18:55 <PatrickC> Enyo is a much simpler framework afaik, and I believe Enyo uses JS as well
May 26 20:19:07 <PatrickC> though, even if I did know, I couldn't say :)
May 26 20:19:13 <Boopop> ha
May 26 20:19:15 <Boopop> :P
May 26 20:19:17 <Boopop> my bad xD
May 26 20:19:34 <PatrickC> haha no
May 26 20:19:38 <PatrickC> ur fine :)
May 26 20:19:41 <PatrickC> just email pdc.@
May 26 20:19:54 <PatrickC> pdc@palm.com and request Early Access
May 26 20:20:37 <cwayne> but theyre not accepting enyo apps yet
May 26 20:20:42 * cwayne is still writing in mojo
May 26 20:21:11 <PatrickC> that's why I said "if you aren't wanting an app out, like really soon, then don't bother with Mojo" :)
May 26 20:23:17 <PatrickC> well find then..
May 26 20:26:26 <PatrickC> fine*
May 26 20:30:15 <sugardave> hey, this bag of holding is cool
May 26 20:30:26 <sugardave> I'll be able to cram all kinds of goodies in there
May 26 20:31:06 <PatrickC> "bag of holding"?
May 26 20:31:48 <sugardave> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/aaa5/
May 26 20:31:50 <halfhalo> your to young to understand
May 26 20:32:39 <sugardave> it's a reference to that devil-worhsipping game that people like to play
May 26 20:33:39 <PatrickC> ok..
May 26 20:33:58 <sugardave> scary magic and dragons
May 26 20:34:06 * PatrickC lost his Flash drive...
May 26 20:34:18 <PatrickC> it had *important* things on it
May 26 20:34:52 <sugardave> if you had a bag of holding, that wouldn't happen
May 26 20:34:58 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 20:35:08 <PatrickC> wanna buy me one?
May 26 20:35:14 <Loudergood> crashplan and dropbox ftw
May 26 20:35:42 <PatrickC> I have everything backed up
May 26 20:36:02 <PatrickC> it just that it has... files on it..
May 26 20:36:18 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC lost his flash drive in a bar, Engadget will find it
May 26 20:36:34 <PatrickC> why/how would I get into a bar? hahaha
May 26 20:37:16 <NuttyBunny> dunno, why would an iPhone 4 beta tester would leave his phone in a bar? :)
May 26 20:37:54 <NuttyBunny> argh.. ndrive still hogs the processor while not in use..
May 26 20:37:56 <NuttyBunny> poor Pixi
May 26 20:38:31 <PatrickC> wow. nDrive on a Pixi... ouch
May 26 20:40:29 <PatrickC> can someone *not* in the nDrive beta program check the public beta feeds?
May 26 20:40:43 <PatrickC> and look for something... interesting..
May 26 20:42:37 * Loudergood whips out his preware
May 26 20:43:22 * NuttyBunny fires up AppScoop in his alternate profile
May 26 20:43:30 <Loudergood> hoo
May 26 20:43:38 <Loudergood> ndrive beta 6
May 26 20:43:46 <PatrickC> yeah.. so
May 26 20:43:58 <PatrickC> someone is gonna get in some trouble at nDrive HQ lol
May 26 20:44:14 <PatrickC> loudergood: if you want to use it, go to http://beta.ndrive.com
May 26 20:44:41 <Loudergood> oh I know
May 26 20:44:48 <PatrickC> lol
May 26 20:45:02 <Loudergood> honestly though, my gps is fail for some reason
May 26 20:45:08 <PatrickC> they why don't you sign up?
May 26 20:45:11 <Loudergood> even after doing some tweaks
May 26 20:45:32 <PatrickC> really? my pre-'s GPS is awesomea
May 26 20:45:44 <PatrickC> and my unactivated pre2's GPS is decent too
May 26 20:47:12 <Loudergood> verizon
May 26 20:47:32 <PatrickC> you have a dev phone?
May 26 20:48:06 <PatrickC> s/dev/unactivated/
May 26 20:48:28 <Loudergood> yeah
May 26 20:49:46 <PatrickC> then use that one
May 26 20:49:53 <PatrickC> the maps are downloaded to the device
May 26 20:49:58 <PatrickC> offline routing :)
May 26 21:04:12 <Loudergood> PatrickC: this version wants me to buy maps..interesting
May 26 21:04:18 <Loudergood> they must be close to release
May 26 21:05:06 <SineOt> They did release
May 26 21:05:15 <SineOt> These are beta versions of the updates that are coming down the line
May 26 21:05:25 <PatrickC> loudergood: I will always want you to buy maps
May 26 21:05:29 <Loudergood> ah ha
May 26 21:05:48 <PatrickC> you have to send a special code to a certain email to get free maps
May 26 21:10:53 <dohtem> sugardave: pm?
May 26 21:22:40 <sugardave> dohtem: sure
May 26 21:53:43 <MetaView> Patrick?
May 26 21:53:52 <MetaView> PatrickC: ...
May 26 21:57:29 <NuttyBunny> MetaView: PatrickC is mooing the lawn ;)
May 26 21:58:26 <MetaView> ah, ok
May 26 21:58:37 <MetaView> I was wondering about "PatrickC: that's why I said "if you aren't wanting an app out, like really soon, then don't bother with Mojo" :)"
May 26 21:59:25 <MetaView> What ever device he has, he can't even buy a new laptop, how will he ever run a enyo app?
May 26 21:59:45 <MetaView> he should suggest Mojo, as it is compatible with his current device
May 26 22:00:02 <Loudergood> he does have a dev pre2...though if that will run enyo remains to be seen
May 26 22:00:24 <MetaView> well, not anytime soon for sure
May 26 22:00:28 <halfhalo> we are talking about the guy who knows no javascript... which is what enyo is
May 26 22:00:51 <MetaView> well, Mojo too
May 26 22:19:13 <dohtem> http://www.ktvu.com/news/28036855/detail.html <- finally!
May 26 22:25:10 <oil> if my main profile was on a 2.x device i would totally get the appcrate
May 26 22:30:56 <rwhitby> tried to get PHD into the appcrate, but the lid was already closed :(
May 26 22:31:42 <oil> well it seems like they're doing more then one
May 26 22:31:44 <oil> maybe the next one
May 26 22:38:35 <oil> I know wor is doing all the leg work on it, but but their cut of the pie seems awfully large
May 26 22:38:49 <oil> considering their cut isn't being split between what, 12 devs?
May 26 22:39:06 <oil> 10
May 26 22:41:05 <rwhitby> yup, it's a good revenue raising idea.
May 26 22:41:21 <rwhitby> I was tempted to buy a crate for $0.99, just to be a bastard.
May 26 22:41:39 <oil> lol
May 26 22:41:52 <oil> not as much of a bastard as those doing 0.01 xD
May 26 22:42:16 <oil> the highest sofar is $35, the price of all the apps alone
May 26 22:45:51 <Vyker> cool. WebOs chan :)
May 26 22:47:09 <sugardave> the coolest webOS channel there is
May 26 22:47:36 <Vyker> is there an app that makes apps?
May 26 22:48:00 <sugardave> Ares web app can help you make apps :)
May 26 22:48:16 <sugardave> http://ares.palm.com
May 26 22:49:25 <Vyker> cool!
May 26 22:50:02 <Vyker> humm, its not free?
May 26 22:51:33 <sugardave> should be?  you have to sign up for a developer account at http://developer.palm.com
May 26 22:51:41 <sugardave> do they still charge for those, I thought that went away
May 26 22:51:42 <oil> yo dawg?
May 26 22:52:24 <oil> heard you like apps so we put and app in your app?
May 26 22:52:29 <sugardave> haha
May 26 22:52:46 <sugardave> oil: how's the jury duty?
May 26 22:52:52 <oil> boring
May 26 22:53:07 <sugardave> not a murder?
May 26 22:53:20 <sugardave> you can taint the case, we won't tell anyone
May 26 22:53:22 <oil> no, the cases keep getting canceled
May 26 22:53:27 <sugardave> ah
May 26 22:53:34 <oil> and i sit around all day then get sent home
May 26 22:53:37 <halfhalo>  lulz
May 26 23:04:23 <Vyker> signed up, thanks sugardave
May 26 23:04:27 <Vyker> starting on my first app :)
May 26 23:04:36 * Vyker has no idea how to make an app.
May 26 23:16:20 <Vyker> i dont think im cut out for this lol
May 26 23:17:09 <sugardave> Vyker: google up an Ares webOS tutorial and see if you can find one to help
May 26 23:24:43 <PatrickC> Vyker: that's what I thought too.. just do some tutorials, it'll come eventually :)
May 26 23:25:04 <Vyker> which tutorials worked for you PatrickC?
May 26 23:25:23 <PatrickC> the FlickrSearch was a good one
May 26 23:25:42 <PatrickC> then just look at that code, see what it does, and try it in other places
May 26 23:25:58 <PatrickC> if you get stuck somewhere, come here or the Ares forum :)
May 26 23:26:49 <PatrickC> bbl
May 26 23:26:57 <PatrickC> more lawn to cut !/
May 26 23:26:59 <PatrickC> :/ *
May 26 23:27:12 * oil hates mowing the lawn
May 26 23:27:57 <halfhalo> lol
May 26 23:28:13 * halfhalo doesnt own a mower
May 26 23:29:18 * rwhitby neither
May 26 23:30:39 <Loudergood> yeah, benefit of renting right there...
May 26 23:30:49 <oil> well, i dont do it anymore
May 26 23:30:57 <oil> but i used to for my folks
May 26 23:31:09 <Loudergood> me too, corded electric there
May 26 23:31:14 <Codhisattva> buy a goat
May 26 23:31:25 <Loudergood> after I moved out they bought a nice fancy battery powered one
May 26 23:32:21 <halfhalo> Used to have a push mower at parents house, but not anymore.  Plus, this is socal, we just hired people to do it
May 26 23:32:58 <Loudergood> wow...possible tornado south of me
May 26 23:33:19 <oil> drive toward it! like that movie
May 26 23:33:23 <Loudergood> haha
May 26 23:33:41 <Loudergood> considering I live in the mountains it's highly unusual
May 26 23:35:12 <halfhalo> supposedly there are tornados sometimes like 30 miles from now
May 26 23:35:53 <halfhalo> s/now/here
May 26 23:36:06 <halfhalo> my brain, it no work today
May 26 23:37:23 <oil> so, like usual :P
May 26 23:37:30 <halfhalo> mebe
May 26 23:37:38 <oil> lol
May 26 23:38:16 <halfhalo> hey, mail works again!
May 27 01:10:29 <cwayne> ello
May 27 01:11:15 <PatrickC> 'ey
May 27 01:11:43 <PatrickC> DocLee: will you be here in about 1hr?
May 27 01:11:51 <DocLee> Yeah
May 27 01:11:58 <DocLee> Why?
May 27 01:12:11 <PatrickC> ok.. I have a question about licensing, but I have to finish the lawn first
May 27 01:23:50 <PatrickC> DocLee: I'm back
May 27 01:23:59 <DocLee> That was quick.
May 27 01:24:32 <PatrickC> yeah :/
May 27 01:24:35 <PatrickC> got to dark to keep mowing
May 27 01:24:40 <PatrickC> ok.. question
May 27 01:25:02 <PatrickC> if I have my users supply the station URL they want to listen to, do I need licensing?
May 27 01:25:11 <DocLee> No
May 27 01:25:34 <PatrickC> what about shoutcast/icecast streaming? they need licensing I presume?
May 27 01:25:59 <DocLee> If you're pulling the listings from Shoutcast.com, then yes.
May 27 01:26:04 <DocLee> You'll need a license from AOL.
May 27 01:26:14 <PatrickC> that run expensive?
May 27 01:26:51 <DocLee> It's free, but, you'll need to brand your application, setup a website, and add a bunch of stuff to that website such as a place to download the Shoutcast toolbar
May 27 01:27:30 <PatrickC> I'm ok with all that
May 27 01:27:50 <DocLee> You'll notice that all of the shoutcast apps in the App Catalog have a "Powered by Shoutcast" logo on their apps.  It's because of that.
May 27 01:28:14 <PatrickC> you don't? don't you do shoutcast?
May 27 01:28:31 <DocLee> Don't have to for us.  Bigger agreement
May 27 01:28:38 <PatrickC> ah
May 27 01:28:56 <PatrickC> is Icecast also AOL?
May 27 01:29:02 <DocLee> No
May 27 01:29:04 <Tommy> AOL == LOL
May 27 01:29:19 <DocLee> AOL == owns a lot of stuff
May 27 01:30:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TOMMY BOY
May 27 01:30:24 <Tommy> TROLOLOLOLO
May 27 01:31:02 <PatrickC> if I'm doing something like Ubuntu One or Amazon Music streaming, no license is needed (except the one from Ubuntu or Amazon) correct?
May 27 01:31:02 <DocLee> I wish we could partner with AOL for advertising
May 27 01:31:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc <- Tommy
May 27 01:31:32 <DocLee> PatrickC, define doing Amazon music streaming
May 27 01:31:50 <PatrickC> Their "Cloud music" thing
May 27 01:31:52 <DocLee> And I have no idea what Ubuntu One is
May 27 01:31:55 <PatrickC> just access to that via internet
May 27 01:32:03 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: awesome
May 27 01:32:15 <DocLee> So, you want to host mp3 files and stream them?
May 27 01:32:22 <PatrickC> yeah
May 27 01:32:29 <DocLee> Yeah...no...you don't want to do that.
May 27 01:32:30 <PatrickC> its like a dropbox for your music
May 27 01:32:38 <PatrickC> why not?
May 27 01:32:48 <DocLee> You need a license on every song that you stream.
May 27 01:32:49 <PatrickC> I wouldn't host the MP3's.. the users would
May 27 01:33:08 <DocLee> Ok.  So a user can stream their own files?
May 27 01:33:16 <DocLee> But not shared, correct?
May 27 01:33:18 <PatrickC> yes
May 27 01:33:20 <PatrickC> nope
May 27 01:33:28 <PatrickC> let me get you a link
May 27 01:34:00 <DocLee> I know what Amazon music is.
May 27 01:34:10 <PatrickC> Amazon MP3
May 27 01:34:15 <DocLee> Whatever
May 27 01:34:18 <PatrickC> ^^ is what I would be doing it with
May 27 01:34:26 <DocLee> Nope.
May 27 01:34:38 <PatrickC> nope what?
May 27 01:34:52 <DocLee> It's not worth it because it's highly unlikely that you're going to get a license from Amazon
May 27 01:35:10 <PatrickC> and here Ubuntu One: http://www.google.com/m/url?channel=iss&client=ms-palm-webOS&ei=of_eTbjtDdCStgeyyO3kAg&q=https://one.ubuntu.com/&ved=0CA8QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNF0ozHd11MUV06Z3DZO8h4jcZ2Mzg
May 27 01:35:26 <PatrickC> well, they have a http://developer.amazon.com
May 27 01:36:18 <DocLee> Do you see Amazon MP3 there?
May 27 01:36:32 <PatrickC> not yet, but I hope to see it there soon...
May 27 01:36:54 <PatrickC> Amazon MP3 is still fairly new.. I hope it comes out to devs soon
May 27 01:37:01 <DocLee> I doubt you will.  Most of the developer things for amazon are basically to allow for selling amazon products.
May 27 01:37:54 <PatrickC> What about Ubuntu One.. I'll take a look to see if they have anything
May 27 01:38:59 <PatrickC> cwayne: ping
May 27 01:39:08 <DocLee> What you need to do is think ahead
May 27 01:39:15 <DocLee> You need to develop a business plan
May 27 01:39:22 <cwayne> PatrickC: pong
May 27 01:39:23 <DocLee> First off, how old are you?
May 27 01:39:31 <PatrickC> 15 :)
May 27 01:39:36 <cwayne> lols
May 27 01:39:42 <PatrickC> cwayne: does Ubuntu One have a developer homepage?
May 27 01:39:47 <cwayne> PatrickC: ubuntu one aint free btw
May 27 01:39:52 <DocLee> Christ...
May 27 01:39:58 <PatrickC> they have a free plan
May 27 01:40:31 <PatrickC> DocLee: and I'm trying to figure out what I do/don't need licenses for
May 27 01:40:33 <cwayne> nt for music streaming
May 27 01:40:42 <PatrickC> ah
May 27 01:41:26 <DocLee> Any webservice that doesn't explicityly have an api that states that it's for open usage of some sort, you need a license.
May 27 01:41:50 <PatrickC> ok
May 27 01:42:47 <DocLee> and getting a license from the other ones isn't a walk in the park
May 27 01:43:00 <DocLee> It's not as easy as being like, "Hey dude...can I have a license?"
May 27 01:43:10 <PatrickC> "other ones" being Shoutcast?
May 27 01:43:38 <DocLee> Shoutcast isn't worth it.  There are already 3-4 apps that carry the streams.
May 27 01:43:54 <PatrickC> well.. its just gonna be an added feature
May 27 01:51:36 * PatrickC thinks this app will be out when the TouchPad2 comes out :/
May 27 01:59:18 <areichman> hello, I have what I think is a dumb question. I'm trying to install the SDK on Ubuntu 11.04 but it requires VirtualBox 3.2 which doesn't seem to exist for the new version of ubuntu. Can I use a newer version?
May 27 01:59:40 <PatrickC> you can
May 27 01:59:45 <PatrickC> its not easy though
May 27 01:59:49 <PatrickC> and I'm not sure how
May 27 02:00:06 <areichman> is there a way to install VirtualBox 3.2?
May 27 02:00:14 <areichman> it's not even available from Oracle's direct download page
May 27 02:00:19 <PatrickC> not sure
May 27 02:00:20 <areichman> not for 11.04, at least
May 27 02:00:26 <PatrickC> I would check #ubuntu
May 27 02:00:58 <PatrickC> Jack87|Away: is VBox 3.2 available for 11.04?
May 27 02:05:08 <dohtem|desk> areichman: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/
May 27 02:06:04 <areichman> dohtem|desk: there are 10.10 packages there but not 11.04 packages. Just use the older ones?
May 27 02:15:38 <dohtem|desk> not sure, try it
May 27 02:16:58 <areichman> is this just a holdover from older versions of webOS or does the 3.0 SDK have the same problems?
May 27 02:19:53 <fudge_> hello all
May 27 02:21:30 <PatrickC> areichman: 3.0 anything is NDA..
May 27 02:22:11 <PatrickC> areichman: I would suggest joining the EAP. its a good thing to do :)
May 27 02:22:16 <PatrickC> hey fudge_!
May 27 02:22:32 <fudge_> sup patrickc
May 27 02:22:39 <fudge_> im switching back to my pre
May 27 02:22:44 <fudge_> blackberries are horrible
May 27 02:22:50 <PatrickC> hahaha
May 27 02:22:58 <PatrickC> I hate crackberrys
May 27 02:23:25 <Loudergood> PatrickC: actually lemketron made it public in here a while ago that 3.0 works with the newer virtualbox
May 27 02:23:35 <fudge_> i miss the 3mp camera w/ flash and the all touchscreen interface
May 27 02:23:40 <PatrickC> ah I wasn't aware of that
May 27 02:23:46 <Loudergood> and areichman the debs should install just fine
May 27 02:24:08 <fudge_> blackberries win when it comes to how many apps one can have open simultaneously, however
May 27 02:24:14 <areichman> Loudergood: newer VBox meaning something in 4.x series?
May 27 02:24:21 <halfhalo> Some people at this high school are having a little burn out competition...
May 27 02:24:22 <Loudergood> yes
May 27 02:24:28 <areichman> thank you
May 27 02:24:46 <PatrickC> fudge_: does it multitask like my pre does though? :)
May 27 02:25:11 <fudge_> has its pro's and cons
May 27 02:25:22 <Loudergood> I don't know...I can get tired of opening apps with my Pre2 and still not see the tmc error
May 27 02:25:26 <PatrickC> yeah
May 27 02:25:46 <PatrickC> I like not having the tmc error
May 27 02:26:33 <halfhalo> Hmmm... Ls f just hit a pole
May 27 02:26:34 <fudge_> i like the pre for the following reasons: youtube videos can play in the background, camera is better and has flash, fully touch screen, card interface, gaming, over clock
May 27 02:26:49 <fudge_> i like the blackberry for the following reasons: bbm and zoom on camera
May 27 02:26:51 <fudge_> ;3
May 27 02:27:01 <PatrickC> hmm
May 27 02:27:08 <PatrickC> seems you like the pre more :)
May 27 02:27:14 <fudge_> ye
May 27 02:27:33 <fudge_> im looking around for a screen to buy to fix the one i have
May 27 02:27:56 <Loudergood> yeah the pre3 is supposed to finally have a moving lens on the camera
May 27 02:28:19 <PatrickC> yeah
May 27 02:28:19 <halfhalo> Yup
May 27 02:30:08 <fudge_> 
INJECTING NOT_A_VIRUS.TROJAN

May 27 02:30:10 <fudge_> 
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May 27 02:31:28 <Loudergood> O_o
May 27 02:31:48 <fudge_> o_O
May 27 02:31:54 <bnceo> wth was that?
May 27 02:31:56 * fudge_ <3's ctcp
May 27 02:32:06 * bnceo slaps fudge_
May 27 02:32:10 <PatrickC> 
INJECTING fudge_ BOT...

May 27 02:32:11 * bnceo slaps fudge_ around with Windows Me
May 27 02:32:14 <Loudergood> indeed
May 27 02:32:18 <fudge_> lol
May 27 02:32:24 * bnceo sends some DDoS in fudge_'s direction
May 27 02:32:29 <fudge_> relax, its just a ctcp. dosent do anything.
May 27 02:32:32 <fudge_> :O
May 27 02:32:45 <bnceo> hehe
May 27 02:32:55 <bnceo> so, I gotta say
May 27 02:32:58 <fudge_> try it, /ctcp #webos lololol
May 27 02:33:00 <bnceo> I can smell the TouchPad coming
May 27 02:33:08 <bnceo> I feel it's close
May 27 02:33:25 * PatrickC can smell something else...
May 27 02:33:29 * DocLee looks over at his counter...
May 27 02:33:43 * fudge_ looks over at his TouchPad
May 27 02:33:54 * PatrickC looks at his Pre-
May 27 02:34:20 <DocLee> Yeah right.  You don't have a touchpad.
May 27 02:34:26 <PatrickC> hahahahaha
May 27 02:34:28 <fudge_> does veer have bluetooth OBEX file transfer support?
May 27 02:34:33 <fudge_> :3
May 27 02:35:33 <fudge_> anyway, night all
May 27 02:35:39 <PatrickC> night
May 27 02:47:45 * PatrickC is gonna work on apps tonight :D
May 27 02:53:07 <areichman> another dumb question: from the emulator (which is working now, thanks all), once I've started an application, how do I quit it. There's no gesture area I can use to access the cards
May 27 02:56:22 <areichman> nevermind, figured it out
May 27 02:57:17 <bnceo> what emulator?
May 27 02:57:23 <bnceo> 2.0 emulator?
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