**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 29 02:59:58 2011 May 29 11:27:15 webos connect berlin was so great! May 29 11:29:28 good to hear May 29 11:29:33 what was great? May 29 11:53:24 met alot of people in real life that i just knowed on twitter, from blogs or github before. May 29 11:54:33 it's hard not to address people by their online handles May 29 11:54:47 i was the first guest in the morning at 8 pm, my motel was 400m away from the event :) May 29 13:11:36 hotdp \o/ !!!!! May 29 13:11:49 good morning, #webos May 29 13:14:07 Touchpad: June 2011 http://www.pcconnectionexpress.com/IPA/PM/Solutions/Hotdeals/tabletcomparison May 29 13:15:11 haeffb :D May 29 13:15:16 wuhu May 29 13:15:31 where is the date May 29 13:15:33 ? May 29 13:16:10 in the table of tablets. The Touchpad row shows June 2011 in the far right column May 29 13:16:25 ahh doh May 29 15:10:00 I'm running this code on a device: http://pastebin.com/abax3G9i . The scrim doesn't always show and I don't understand why. I see "TEST1234444" in the logs so I know this part is executed. Why that behaviour? May 29 15:18:05 Spanska: please use spaces, not tabs. it's hard readible what you've been pasting May 29 15:18:19 Spanska: what's in: this.showScrim(); ? May 29 15:18:45 yah what he said May 29 15:19:45 http://pastebin.ca/2071614 May 29 15:20:07 This pastebin service is full screen, tabs shouldn't matter much now ;) May 29 15:21:30 Spanska: does the log says something like "found no watchers for model, are you sure you not replacing it" or smth like that? May 29 15:21:53 yes May 29 15:22:07 :) May 29 15:22:10 actually hold on May 29 15:22:12 one moment May 29 15:23:42 actually no, the logs do not show this May 29 15:23:51 this should work: this.controller.setWidgetModel('mainScrim',this.mainSpinnerModel); May 29 15:23:55 hm May 29 15:24:07 it works on the emu May 29 15:24:22 hmm May 29 15:25:22 that's strange. May 29 15:32:03 I'm not surprised to hit another strange thing.. it's been happening for months now ;) May 29 15:32:41 if I comment the second for loop, the scrim shows May 29 16:00:22 and if I comment the lines to make the Spinner spin the scrim doesn't even show either May 29 16:00:29 it still works on the emu though May 29 17:30:31 damn NuttyBunny is off **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 29 18:06:10 2011 May 29 18:12:27 hi madnificent May 29 18:18:25 hey leiru May 29 18:20:41 how are you? May 29 18:24:12 heh...can't believe that worked. May 29 18:26:08 DocLee: what worked? May 29 18:26:23 Some stupid hack I had to use on a custom list in E May 29 18:26:27 * madnificent can't believe he can't fix the virtualbox build May 29 18:32:39 anybody have a feel for what are the "objective criteria" for the touchpad offer? May 29 18:34:06 A good, complex app. May 29 18:34:21 * madnificent lacks time to dev for the TouchPad ;_; May 29 18:34:33 m'kay. good and complex. May 29 18:34:57 If you're making a calculator...they aren't going to hand one out. May 29 18:35:32 If you're making an app that utilizes a lot of services (audio, GPS, etc), you can qualify May 29 18:36:50 madnificent: make time, you will want to May 29 18:37:29 i have my own sense of what "good" and "complex" mean but if the judging panel has "objective criteria" seems like they could just publish those criteria May 29 18:37:57 the RIM playbook offer spelled out their criteria May 29 18:37:59 Well, what's your idea? May 29 18:38:08 to the extent that they could May 29 18:40:26 on the one hand it's cheesy for a dev to just clear a minimum hurdle ... but on the other hand it's potentially a huge sunk cost to create something large and complex and then get denied ... especially when webOS sales don't support just buying every new webOS device out of pocket May 29 18:40:54 so, IMO nothing wrong w/putting the "objective criteria" out there. May 29 18:41:22 Again, what's your idea? May 29 18:42:06 think beat box on steroids, with touch to share integration, synergy etc May 29 18:42:43 people love that app but the dev has not updated May 29 18:42:47 SDK or PDK? May 29 18:42:56 hybrid most likely May 29 18:43:12 sugardave: ? May 29 18:43:21 needs audio mixer with low latency and low timer event jitter May 29 18:43:39 the beat box app itself is pdk May 29 18:44:06 bartholemew: my sales don't justify the devtime either. However when users ask for a new feature, I feel compelled to add it. Besides that, just make the apps you want for yourself... that's what I did :) May 29 18:44:18 i would think that would be "good enough" May 29 18:44:36 but ... that's the reason why it would be good to spell out the "objective criteria". May 29 18:44:51 bartholemew, it would need to be almost all PDK May 29 18:45:25 also: START WORKING VIRTUALBOX May 29 18:50:07 Is there any way I can stop execution for a brief moment? I think this will be the only way to the slow hardware to show my scrim. May 29 18:53:24 NuttyBunny: !!! May 29 18:54:41 Spanska: setTimeout before calling the scrim display logic OR take advantage of the fact that cookie operations are synchronous May 29 18:55:30 madnificent: I just think you should at least use the emu (if you have access) to work on Enyo/TouchPad apps...you will want to have a tablet version eventually :) May 29 18:55:58 sugardave: I do not use cookies. What's the link between cookies and what I'm trying to attempt? May 29 18:56:11 sugardave: I'll give setTimeout a try for this as well May 29 18:56:24 I use it very often.. I wonder if that is normal at all May 29 18:56:57 well, if it fits somehow, you could do just a cookie operation to "halt" program execution while the cookie operation completes...MIGHT give enough time for your scrim to show? May 29 18:57:14 Spanska: setTimeout and setInterval are used in LOTS of apps May 29 18:57:22 I used the hell out of it in many apps May 29 18:57:28 s/it/them/ May 29 18:57:50 because of the slow hardware? May 29 18:57:55 no May 29 18:58:17 to do things like delay running some logic until I know the scene is drawn May 29 18:58:19 stuff like that May 29 18:58:36 if I wouldn't use cpu intensive *ahem* loops, I wouldn't have to use setTimeout May 29 18:58:42 ok May 29 19:02:24 oh well, even with setTimeout, the scrim is just not applied at the right moment May 29 19:02:40 it takes a while before it shows which is strange as it works perfectly on the emulator May 29 19:03:16 sugardave: completely true, however I still need to find the time to work on it May 29 19:03:24 right May 29 19:03:32 sugardave: also, I'm trying to grab nuttybunny's attention for getting the emulator working again May 29 19:12:40 sugardave: I put the loop in a new function and used setTimeout to call that function with a delay and the scrim shows now, thanks :) May 29 19:15:50 i showed my app to kevin hague. he said i have to work on it and have to contact the guys at the emailaddress May 29 19:17:05 i really want to continue developing for hp - but with that bad sales of apps i can't buy a touchpad, that i'm just using for developing apps. May 29 19:18:19 that's exactly the conundrum May 29 19:18:41 and at the moment it just seems, that if i would buy one, it would be never re-financate through apps May 29 19:22:03 it's never the cost of just one developer device - the question is where does it end. pace of device releases means you need a revenue stream or a platform vendor who thinks it's worth it to give you a device May 29 19:23:51 sorry i should have been more clear - the pace of device releases = the pace across all platforms. pace of device releases from HP has been shall we say "easy to keep up with" :D May 29 19:29:54 bartholemew: so far HP/Palm has stood by us... I think they will keep doing that until the market hits off. May 29 19:30:15 It seems to me that HP/Palm realizes that there is no smartphone if there are no apps for it... and most users will not write them May 29 19:43:00 I would hope to see dev programs for new hardware like we have seen for Pre +, Pre 2, etc. May 29 19:44:43 sugardave: either sales will start pumping up the revenue, or they will support us. At least, that's my guess. I have absolutely no information on this. May 29 19:45:13 me neither May 29 19:45:39 dave, you going to be around later tonight? May 29 19:46:06 DocLee: yeah, I will...still at my in-laws' in Houston for now May 29 19:46:33 Alright. I need help for one thing for this app. May 29 19:46:37 That darn back button. May 29 19:47:25 sure, I will ping you when I have some cycles May 29 19:47:52 But, I need to run over to work now and handle some paper work or else I can't bring on this new intern on Tuesday May 29 19:48:18 no problem, I"m not set up to do coding at the moment :D May 29 20:09:07 now time to get back home, chat y'all later May 29 20:09:17 NuttyBunny: syn? May 29 20:09:34 hmm, anyone have a menu icon for images? May 29 21:31:49 re May 29 21:32:20 for an official app-cat app, one can use public and protected methods, but shouldn't touch private ones, right? May 29 21:44:18 protected methods? May 29 21:57:27 NuttyBunny: where did you get your virtualbox .deb file from? I don't have the correct directory structure for executing the link you used to fix virtualbox on 11.04 May 29 22:15:45 madnificent: sorry.. I used the instructions in the palk sdk page, add an apt repository and install virtualbox-3.2 May 29 22:16:15 * madnificent searches and hopes to rediscover it May 29 22:16:25 I thought it wouldn't install on 11.04 May 29 22:19:46 it wont work May 29 22:19:50 you need an older kernel May 29 22:20:01 and vb 3.2 May 29 22:20:21 cwayne: there's apparently a fix May 29 22:20:39 that is to say, there's a fix to get vb 3.2 running on a newer kernel May 29 22:23:14 madnificent: fucking wireless. so how vbox 3.2? May 29 22:23:27 smo posted it here. May 29 22:23:35 came from a japanese or chinese site May 29 22:23:41 or smth asian written May 29 22:23:46 some bash-cmds. May 29 22:23:56 someone = smo May 29 22:26:04 cwayne: have you received my two lines after your 'and vb 3.2' comment? May 29 22:26:18 madnificent: nope, sorry May 29 22:26:27 cwayne: there's apparently a fix May 29 22:26:39 that is to say, there's a fix to get vb 3.2 running on a newer kernel May 29 22:26:42 madnificent: any idea what said fix is? May 29 22:31:24 cwayne: I failed at running it before, but this is the relevant link: https://zhyu.me/ubuntu/solution-for-vbox-on-2-6-38.html May 29 22:32:43 NuttyBunny: damn, it's still failing here May 29 22:33:05 madnificent:hmm, thanks! May 29 22:33:08 ill check it out May 29 22:33:25 cwayne: let me know if you succeed, I desperately need this fix May 29 22:33:29 unfortunately i dont have maverick on my new laptop, so ive been using my old one on dev May 29 22:35:15 madnificent: ill be sure to letyou know May 29 22:35:25 madnificent: if youre that desperate, you can still install 2.6.35 May 29 22:36:16 and vbox 3.2 May 29 22:36:54 id also imagine palm would fix something soon, i believe they at least kinda like linux devs May 29 22:37:02 I'll probably have to delay the release May 29 22:37:27 I wanted to finish it today, but it's 00:36 and I'd still have to code major parts May 29 22:37:56 madnificent: just boot to an earlier kernel May 29 22:38:17 I don't think I still have the energy to code it all up today, is what I'm saying May 29 22:38:41 madnificent: fair enough May 29 22:38:55 this took a lot of time May 29 22:39:00 yar May 29 22:39:15 i was just offering a 'less than great' workaround :) May 29 22:44:32 madnificent: didn't it work? May 29 22:44:38 ah.. May 29 22:44:55 you still have to run sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup May 29 22:57:34 Is the Pre 2 officially on 2.1? May 29 22:59:02 Ah, looks like it, nevermind =) May 29 23:02:42 17.6 May 29 23:02:42 Average MPG May 29 23:02:42 .. woot :| May 29 23:10:46 NuttyBunny: it keeps failing here May 29 23:16:14 NuttyBunny: it refuses to compile here May 29 23:18:09 and it seems like grub doesn't want me to change my kernel :) May 29 23:24:39 madnificent: crap... it works here :( any strange configuration in your ubuntu installation? May 29 23:25:07 nothing special I can remember. It's an upgrade, nothing special May 29 23:27:20 NuttyBunny: which kernel are you running? May 29 23:32:03 hmmm, I downloaded the .deb manually, perhaps that's the issue May 29 23:32:25 the palm-site links to that though. May 29 23:32:37 NuttyBunny: do you have the line of /etc/apt/sources.list by hand? May 29 23:59:45 madnificent: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian maverick non-free May 30 00:00:02 That's the only line, I created a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list file May 30 00:01:02 Sorry if I take too long in answering, I'm doing a crash SDL/PDL course for a TP app, with the hopes that I could manage to get one for free :S May 30 00:01:03 :D May 30 00:19:41 * madnificent searches for the key May 30 00:21:01 at least, the new entry is ignored when calling update, quite sad May 30 00:26:44 can you not put a switch in a for loop? May 30 00:27:34 Should be able to May 30 00:27:53 it dies if i dont comment out the switch statement May 30 00:28:01 hola May 30 00:28:45 dawm, Are you including a break? May 30 00:28:58 oh i know how to use it May 30 00:29:09 its killing my entire library May 30 00:29:36 as in it errors out before the statement is even processed May 30 00:31:24 has there been a coalition for the advancement of skype on pre- 2.1 May 30 00:33:08 it keeps failing, I've installed through the package manager now, still the same error whilst it tries to build the kernel modules... May 30 00:33:12 (do I need those?) May 30 00:33:44 madnificent: would probably have been faster to sign up for early access... May 30 00:34:31 doh May 30 00:34:33 i found it May 30 00:34:37 had a .. instead of a . May 30 00:37:28 haeffb: I need to test support on 1.4.x May 30 00:39:25 do you still have the old vbox installation? May 30 00:39:38 whatever config files & such for 1.4.5? May 30 00:41:03 * sugardave checked his Downloads directory the other day and was AMAZED at the amount of SDKs he still has. May 30 00:41:46 heh. May 30 00:42:05 haeffb: I still have the old install May 30 00:42:26 * madnificent copied the directory in /opt to keep it May 30 00:42:27 so, then, if you could get VB 4.x running, you should still have the 1.4.5 image May 30 00:42:51 haeffb: no, it gave me an error saying that it couldn't run on 4.x for some reason May 30 00:42:52 1.4.5 vm doesn't play nice with vb 4 does it? May 30 00:43:50 I was under the impression that you couldn't install the 1.4.5 image, but that it would still work. If that's not the case, I apologize for misleading... May 30 00:43:56 * madnificent is getting sick and tired of this, it's now 2:41 and it is still not running May 30 00:44:06 haeffb: I don't think so... May 30 00:44:07 haeffb is correct May 30 00:44:10 ah, I think haeffb is right May 30 00:44:32 awesome.. trying to fix the mycokerewards app and i dont have any cap codes.. May 30 00:44:34 It's the script that creates the image that's broken in 4.x May 30 00:44:47 * haeffb isn May 30 00:45:00 't sure, and doesn't want to upgrade to 11.04 to check... May 30 00:45:07 nope May 30 00:46:43 odd, I really think palm-emulator didn't run May 30 00:47:40 * madnificent installs the latest virtualbox to retry if palm-emulator runs May 30 00:48:41 ah yes wait, it was trying to recreate the image... don't know how I can work around that though May 30 00:55:04 I think it started to run on virtualbox 4.0 May 30 00:55:16 manually downloaded deb though, so your luck may vary May 30 00:55:19 this shit is scary May 30 00:58:10 guess I'll add another dev day tomorow :( hope I can get my other work finished in time May 30 00:59:31 you really should EAP, it will solve all of these problems for you May 30 01:03:06 anyone have any coke caps? i need some codes to fix this damn app.. May 30 01:03:26 Loudergood: EAP? May 30 01:03:40 early access program May 30 01:03:45 I'm in it May 30 01:04:03 but that doesn't change my users's 1.4 devices to 3.x devices, does it? May 30 01:04:27 that makes things easier May 30 01:04:53 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=13800 May 30 01:05:57 http://theoatmeal.com/panel/minor_differences3?f0=bee1-png&f1=bee2-png May 30 01:06:36 oil: I love how it's a metro..the ultimate death trap of a car May 30 01:06:49 Loudergood: you couldn't have sent that to me yesterday? May 30 01:06:54 Loudergood: thanks May 30 01:07:11 I didn't realize..sorry May 30 01:07:29 a bee flew into my car while i was at the drive thru window yesterday May 30 01:08:00 and i didn't want to freak out while the person was right there, so i just ignored it, then i had this fear it was somewhere in the back of my car, but i didn't know where it was May 30 01:08:15 like the whole way home haha May 30 01:08:43 Loudergood: isn't it great how you can suddenly be blamed for something good you did? Thanks! May 30 01:09:21 well, just goes to show that I should try to get the whole picture before I come up with an answer May 30 01:24:51 woot May 30 01:24:58 found a stash of caps.. all fixed May 30 02:02:52 madnificent: I didn't realize you were in the EAP either... May 30 02:42:03 DocLee: ping May 30 02:42:16 Howdy May 30 02:42:30 so, what's going on? :D May 30 02:42:37 Let's take this to private. May 30 02:42:42 sure **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 30 02:59:59 2011