**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 04 02:59:56 2011
Jun 04 02:59:56 <Tommy> but again, srsly difficult
Jun 04 03:00:00 <DocLee> Tommy, One sec.  let me find it.
Jun 04 03:00:05 <mynamesconnor> ._.
Jun 04 03:00:08 <Tommy> DocLee: there's nothing decent, i've looked around.... lemme know if you can find it
Jun 04 03:00:13 <edude03> Doing it will would require kernel level hacks I believe
Jun 04 03:00:23 <mynamesconnor> I guarantee you won't make a few hundred grand from apps like that..
Jun 04 03:00:23 <edude03> because of how android implements its app switcher
Jun 04 03:00:24 <ozetadev> why?
Jun 04 03:00:26 <Tommy> i don't think there's an API to check running processes
Jun 04 03:00:34 <mynamesconnor> ...
Jun 04 03:00:37 <ozetadev> how do the task quitters work?
Jun 04 03:00:40 <ozetadev> if theres no API?
Jun 04 03:00:41 <mynamesconnor> LOL.
Jun 04 03:00:45 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: lol, do you realize how much money is made off of the really popular apps out there?
Jun 04 03:00:52 <DocLee> Tommy, http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-news/91433-webos-like-task-switcher.html
Jun 04 03:01:29 <mynamesconnor> not to mention you'd probably get sued for copying webos.
Jun 04 03:01:38 <mynamesconnor> then again RIM hasnt yet
Jun 04 03:01:38 <ozetadev> first person who ports canvasrider.com to webos wins my love
Jun 04 03:01:40 <mynamesconnor> so nvm.
Jun 04 03:02:19 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: yeah, i thought HP would jump on them :\
Jun 04 03:02:24 <mynamesconnor> i wish they did.
Jun 04 03:02:25 <ozetadev> no
Jun 04 03:02:27 <ozetadev> theres a iOS
Jun 04 03:02:29 <ozetadev> weboS launcher
Jun 04 03:02:32 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: i wonder if they're doing what microsoft did, waiting till they sell a few million, then just collecting royalties
Jun 04 03:02:34 <ozetadev> and its still alive and well
Jun 04 03:02:41 <ozetadev> very popular.
Jun 04 03:02:48 <mynamesconnor> i guess i wouldn't be surprised if they did that.
Jun 04 03:02:59 <mynamesconnor> your mom is still alive and well.
Jun 04 03:03:18 <Tommy> mynamesconnor: that's what microsoft did to HTC, waited till they sold like 10M handsets, then sued them, by that time HTC can't just completely change what's working, so they pay MSFT $5/handset royalties
Jun 04 03:03:24 <mynamesconnor> yuh.
Jun 04 03:03:29 <Tommy> microsoft has made $150M off of those royalties, and $30M off of royalties on WP7 phones
Jun 04 03:03:37 <Tommy> let me repeat, microsoft makes more money from android phones selling than they do from their own.
Jun 04 03:03:55 <edude03> OH MY GOD!
Jun 04 03:04:04 <DocLee> Well, they are a software company
Jun 04 03:04:13 <edude03> Itching thumb need that now
Jun 04 03:04:51 <mynamesconnor> adora: why aren't you like, talking.
Jun 04 03:04:54 <Tommy> edude03: lol yeah i picked it up, it's, confusing.
Jun 04 03:05:11 <Tommy> DocLee: but their software makes them less money than their patents are right now
Jun 04 03:05:17 <Tommy> that's not supposed to happen, lol
Jun 04 03:05:34 <edude03> Oh Tommy regarding that message: Do it
Jun 04 03:05:39 <cwayne1> Tommy: fuck that, their fucking interest on the cash they have is more than my company makes
Jun 04 03:05:40 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 04 03:05:41 <edude03> You'll be avle to no problem
Jun 04 03:05:43 <DocLee> Tommy, I wouldn't doubt that at all.
Jun 04 03:05:54 <DocLee> Tommy, that's how it is for a lot of large companies.
Jun 04 03:06:25 <Tommy> heh
Jun 04 03:06:35 <Tommy> edude03: dude this is trash, i cant make it work like i want :S
Jun 04 03:06:43 <Tommy> cant even figure out how to get to the app list
Jun 04 03:06:51 <Tommy> it's an entire homescreen replacement without an app drawer, go figure
Jun 04 03:07:09 <DocLee> There are two modes for it to run.
Jun 04 03:07:14 <DocLee> At least when I tried it
Jun 04 03:07:20 <edude03> Tommy: I'm talking about kik since obviously I'm being really vauge :P
Jun 04 03:07:35 <Tommy> oh what
Jun 04 03:08:11 <Tommy> dude this makes no sense
Jun 04 03:08:18 <Tommy> the cards are like, nonexistent, off the screen
Jun 04 03:08:24 <Tommy> if i flick, they fly across the screen and off it again
Jun 04 03:08:40 <edude03> Um
Jun 04 03:08:45 <edude03> I denied it's root request
Jun 04 03:08:49 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 03:08:53 <Tommy> gotta kill apps, needs root
Jun 04 03:08:56 <edude03> Why does a launcher need root again :/
Jun 04 03:08:59 <Tommy> ^^^
Jun 04 03:09:04 <Tommy> flicking up kills the process
Jun 04 03:09:33 <edude03> derp
Jun 04 03:09:41 <edude03> Wtf happened :/
Jun 04 03:09:48 <DocLee> Jesus.
Jun 04 03:09:55 <DocLee> Enyo does not respect CSS
Jun 04 03:10:36 <edude03> CSS is for hoes :|
Jun 04 03:10:51 <cwayne1> thats racist
Jun 04 03:11:31 <DocLee> No, E's default themes are for hoes.
Jun 04 03:11:46 <Tommy> edude03: also needs root for high quality previews
Jun 04 03:11:51 <Tommy> i think it shows the apps as they are presently or something
Jun 04 03:12:18 <edude03> When I launch it all I see is a black box
Jun 04 03:12:27 <edude03> cards will show up eventually eh :/
Jun 04 03:12:28 <Tommy> yeah, go to menu, preferences
Jun 04 03:12:31 <Tommy> set it up how you want
Jun 04 03:12:38 <Tommy> then hit home, set default back to your original homescreen
Jun 04 03:12:47 <Tommy> there's a dark dot somewhere on your screen, hit that to go to cards view
Jun 04 03:13:22 <Tommy> except when the dot disappears when you tap on it, in which case you see nothing and this app is probably not worth keeping :|
Jun 04 03:14:11 <edude03> This app is terribad
Jun 04 03:14:24 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 03:14:35 <Tommy> i think i'll hold onto it and see if i get used to it
Jun 04 03:14:49 <Tommy> but yeah, this is why a really good implementation of webOS cards would sell for $5
Jun 04 03:14:57 <Tommy> fucking SPB mobile shell sells their homescreen for $15
Jun 04 03:15:10 <dawm> woot, 3 more touchstones enroute ;D
Jun 04 03:15:15 <edude03> Is enyo for web 3.0?
Jun 04 03:15:22 <edude03> dawm: I'll give you $5 for one :P
Jun 04 03:15:41 <dawm> ok, thsa 0.03 profit :P
Jun 04 03:15:46 <edude03> :|
Jun 04 03:15:51 <dawm> verizon has em for 4.97
Jun 04 03:15:55 <edude03> :O
Jun 04 03:15:57 <dawm> stone only
Jun 04 03:15:59 <edude03> OMG~
Jun 04 03:16:05 <edude03> I seriously will buy one then :D
Jun 04 03:16:08 <dawm> and on ebay you can get the cord for like 0.50
Jun 04 03:16:08 <Tommy> touchstone = charger for your phone?
Jun 04 03:16:18 <edude03> Tommy: wireless charger
Jun 04 03:16:19 <Tommy> the nifty little wireless stuffs?
Jun 04 03:16:21 <Tommy> yeah
Jun 04 03:16:26 <dawm> the hockey puck
Jun 04 03:16:29 <halfhalo>  i have to many touchstones already
Jun 04 03:16:31 <Tommy> ya
Jun 04 03:16:33 <dawm> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/psa-touchstones-for-5-bucks/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+webosroundup+%28webOSroundup%29&utm_content=FaceBook
Jun 04 03:16:46 <dawm> i need one for the car, and might as well have a travel one :P
Jun 04 03:16:57 <dawm> already got 3 around the house
Jun 04 03:17:03 <edude03> I'm in canada so if someone could ship me a touchstone I'd send them nudes :|
Jun 04 03:17:07 <DocLee> Forget it.  Zimbabwe just can't sign up for my app.
Jun 04 03:17:33 <Tommy> edude03: i can pick one up tomorrow if you remind me
Jun 04 03:17:39 <DocLee> E refuses to show the last list item
Jun 04 03:17:42 <Tommy> again, just cost + ship
Jun 04 03:18:02 <Tommy> who knows, maybe someday i'll need some... igloo parts, or polar bear fur
Jun 04 03:18:06 <Tommy> and you can help me out :D
Jun 04 03:18:20 <edude03> Tommy: :/ thanks :/
Jun 04 03:18:27 <Tommy> hahah :P
Jun 04 03:18:36 <edude03> Hey I repair phones and sell phones so maybe I can do something nice for you :P
Jun 04 03:18:53 <Tommy> well, i have t-mobile so idk about the selling phones part
Jun 04 03:19:12 <Tommy> but karma points can't be bad, *shrug*
Jun 04 03:19:26 <Tommy> i'll cash them in when i'm 35 to go to vegas, forget heaven
Jun 04 03:19:38 <dawm> you can get the OEM wall plug+cord for $4.50 on amazon
Jun 04 03:19:59 <edude03> dawm: Is that the same charger that comes with the phone?
Jun 04 03:20:19 <edude03> Tommy: We have AWS here too
Jun 04 03:20:20 <dawm> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002ITKQKU
Jun 04 03:20:21 <dawm> yes
Jun 04 03:20:24 <dawm> ive ordered it in the past
Jun 04 03:20:30 <dawm> brand new
Jun 04 03:20:31 <edude03> And be sides, all your base will belong to AT&T soon
Jun 04 03:20:42 <edude03> OK I have the charger so I don't think I need another atm
Jun 04 03:20:43 <halfhalo> at least its not canada
Jun 04 03:20:48 <edude03> Since I'll only use the touch stone
Jun 04 03:20:56 <Tommy> edude03: i don't think the acquisition is going to happen
Jun 04 03:21:11 <edude03> I hope not :|
Jun 04 03:21:25 <Tommy> it's really looking like it won't, EVERYONE here opposes it except AT&T
Jun 04 03:21:32 <edude03> I hope the touchstone works with my P3
Jun 04 03:21:38 <edude03> LOL~
Jun 04 03:21:42 <edude03> Except AT&T
Jun 04 03:21:44 <Tommy> t-mobile customers, sprint, republicans and democrats alike, there have already been a few states to formally investigate it
Jun 04 03:21:57 <edude03> If they opposed it I'd be seriously concerned
Jun 04 03:22:15 <Tommy> hahah
Jun 04 03:22:17 <halfhalo> except there needs to be a valid reason to stop the sale
Jun 04 03:22:22 <DocLee> I'm indifferent to it.  Tmobile doesn't have a tower anywhere near here
Jun 04 03:22:23 <oil> new touchstones for pre3
Jun 04 03:22:41 <dawm> oil, old one will still charge, just wont do the fancy stuff tho iirc
Jun 04 03:22:45 <edude03> oil: Why'd you have to ruin my fun
Jun 04 03:22:50 <Tommy> halfhalo: the fact that there'd be 2 companies with 85M+ customers each, and one with 30M, and those are the only options
Jun 04 03:22:51 <summatusmentis> dawm: I've heard the same thing
Jun 04 03:22:53 <edude03> Oh what fancy stuff we talking about?
Jun 04 03:23:00 <oil> location
Jun 04 03:23:03 <summatusmentis> edude03: location awareness and stuff
Jun 04 03:23:05 <Tommy> they'll say it's bad for the consumer, consolidating so many to one company
Jun 04 03:23:09 <oil> this ts does something different then this ts
Jun 04 03:23:09 <dawm> touchstone profiles
Jun 04 03:23:23 <dawm> the pre3 will know what touchstone its on
Jun 04 03:23:28 <edude03> Worst case I'll do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=457443&d=1291650946
Jun 04 03:23:34 <Tommy> i know what touchstone i'm on
Jun 04 03:23:37 <dawm> eg. office desk, bedside nightstand, car ..
Jun 04 03:23:42 <edude03> Woah~
Jun 04 03:23:46 <edude03> Fuck yeah HP
Jun 04 03:23:55 <Tommy> edude03: LOL at that picture
Jun 04 03:23:55 <dawm> so you can have it display different things
Jun 04 03:23:57 <Tommy> is that yours?
Jun 04 03:24:02 <edude03> For such a terrible PC manufacturer they make bad. ass. phones.
Jun 04 03:24:09 <edude03> Tommy: Not yet :P
Jun 04 03:24:13 <Tommy> oh wait, german
Jun 04 03:24:26 <Tommy> edude03: HP hasn't released a phone in like 10 years
Jun 04 03:24:40 <halfhalo> sure they have
Jun 04 03:24:45 <Tommy> oh?
Jun 04 03:25:01 <halfhalo> last pre palm phone by them was in 09
Jun 04 03:25:10 <halfhalo> the glisten, even had an amoled screen
Jun 04 03:25:16 <Tommy> err, that was released by HP?
Jun 04 03:25:20 <Tommy> i thought it was still a palm pre at that point
Jun 04 03:25:33 <Tommy> oh wait, the HP Veer 4G is out
Jun 04 03:25:38 <Tommy> but that's the only handset that's HP
Jun 04 03:25:39 <halfhalo> lastt _before_ palm phone i meant
Jun 04 03:25:55 <Tommy> oh, no i just meant HP hadnt designed a handset and released it in a long time
Jun 04 03:25:59 <Tommy> but the Veer is theirs
Jun 04 03:26:05 * oil last phone was a lg vx6000
Jun 04 03:26:10 <halfhalo> 2 years == 10 years
Jun 04 03:26:19 <halfhalo> and they still sell the glisten in some places
Jun 04 03:26:22 <Tommy> halfhalo: i forgot about the veer...
Jun 04 03:26:34 <oil> http://www.lg-cellphones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/LG-VX6000.jpg
Jun 04 03:26:38 <oil> look at how awesome it was
Jun 04 03:26:38 <Tommy> hmm
Jun 04 03:26:42 <oil> with the little screen on the front
Jun 04 03:26:43 <oil> haha
Jun 04 03:26:58 <halfhalo> oil: I totally had one of those!
Jun 04 03:27:04 <oil> it was a fucking tank thats for sure
Jun 04 03:27:06 <DocLee> They've released phones as late as 2009.
Jun 04 03:27:14 <oil> it was superglued together
Jun 04 03:27:17 <DocLee> Ipaq series was still kickin'
Jun 04 03:27:18 <Tommy> halfhalo: didnt know they had the glisten, nobody sells em here i dont think
Jun 04 03:27:27 <Tommy> DocLee: yeah that's what i'm realizing now thanks to halfhalo
Jun 04 03:27:32 <halfhalo> then i replaced that phone with http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=samsung+a950&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=11402655317949922424&sa=X&ei=-KXpTYL8IJP4swO99ej7DQ&ved=0CEIQ8wIwAw
Jun 04 03:27:53 <halfhalo> followed up by http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=lg+voyager&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=5105630742073753852&sa=X&ei=G6bpTf6SGIH6sAORt4j2DQ&ved=0CHUQ8wIwAA, and then finally the pre -
Jun 04 03:28:42 <edude03> Too many non smartphones there halfhalo
Jun 04 03:29:00 <edude03> My last non smart phone was my backup Razr V9 in 08 or something
Jun 04 03:29:05 <edude03> Though I love the V9
Jun 04 03:29:06 <edude03> omg
Jun 04 03:29:07 <halfhalo> true, but the voyager had unlimited tethering for 15 a month
Jun 04 03:29:16 <oil> that lg lasted me like 5 or so years
Jun 04 03:29:16 <edude03> Damn
Jun 04 03:29:19 <edude03> That's a great deal
Jun 04 03:29:26 <oil> battery would last like 2 weeks on a charge heh
Jun 04 03:29:48 <halfhalo> hell, this focus amazes me with battery
Jun 04 03:29:53 <edude03> 2G phones are like that
Jun 04 03:30:10 <halfhalo> I forget to plug it in overnight and i wake up and go "HOW ARE YOU STILL WORKING"
Jun 04 03:30:24 <edude03> eh
Jun 04 03:30:31 <halfhalo> phones with service and non crap battery life are new to me
Jun 04 03:30:32 <edude03> Standby times don't impress me anymore
Jun 04 03:30:45 <edude03> My galaxy drops like 2% an hour in standby
Jun 04 03:30:46 <edude03> BUT
Jun 04 03:31:01 <edude03> drops like 30% an hour while on >_>'
Jun 04 03:31:07 <edude03> So f the standby time
Jun 04 03:31:08 <halfhalo> i went 6 hours watching slingbox on it the other day, only dropped like 50%
Jun 04 03:31:08 <DocLee> On my desk, I have a Nokia N8, an Epic 4g, a Nexus S 4g, an HTC Hero, an HTC Evo, a Nokia C6, an ** ********, an ****** *, an Iphone 4, a Blackberry Pearl, an ** *** *, and an Ipad.
Jun 04 03:31:25 <edude03> Wonder what the stars are DocLee
Jun 04 03:31:29 <Tommy> DocLee: all of those bore me because they're CDMA or bad
Jun 04 03:31:36 <edude03> LOL!
Jun 04 03:31:42 <edude03> The N8 is nice :|
Jun 04 03:31:48 <DocLee> The N8 is horrible.
Jun 04 03:31:49 <edude03> I want a N9 though :O
Jun 04 03:32:01 * halfhalo has an epic 4g, ipad, pixi +, pre -l, pre +, pre 2, and samsung focus on his desk
Jun 04 03:32:03 <edude03> DocLee: in that case want my shipping info ;)
Jun 04 03:32:13 <Tommy> N8 has symbian, enough said.
Jun 04 03:32:19 <DocLee> edude03, I can get you a discount if you need one.
Jun 04 03:32:39 <Tommy> DocLee: it'd have to be a heavy discount, how much are you talkin? amazon has em for $399
Jun 04 03:32:40 <DocLee> Tommy, and I think some of those you'd want.
Jun 04 03:32:48 <DocLee> One sec.
Jun 04 03:32:53 <Tommy> mmk
Jun 04 03:32:54 * edude03 has a Curve 8320 Curve 8900 Bold 900- Bold 9700 Pre + i9000 Captivate G1 Nexus S Storm 2 Storm 1 and macbook pro on his desk 
Jun 04 03:33:01 <Tommy> the only reason i'd want an N8, pentaband 3G
Jun 04 03:33:18 <Tommy> but symbian may completely negate that, i'd have to consider it
Jun 04 03:33:33 <Tommy> brb
Jun 04 03:33:34 <edude03> Symbian is the perfect _PHONE_ OS
Jun 04 03:33:37 <edude03> PHONE
Jun 04 03:33:39 <edude03> being the keyword
Jun 04 03:33:42 * halfhalo can count 8 computers on or in his desk at the moment, if we are counting computers as well
Jun 04 03:33:43 <cwayne1> wait
Jun 04 03:33:46 <DocLee> $250
Jun 04 03:33:47 <Tommy> sry back
Jun 04 03:33:56 <edude03> DocLee: BNIB?
Jun 04 03:33:57 <Tommy> edude03: yeah, but for my backup phone i need to be able to sync all of my shit from android
Jun 04 03:34:02 <Tommy> my SIM card doesn't have my contacts on it
Jun 04 03:34:04 <DocLee> edude03, Yes
Jun 04 03:34:09 <edude03> Get an HTC Aria :D
Jun 04 03:34:16 <edude03> Oh wait
Jun 04 03:34:19 <Tommy> nah, i have the craptivate as a backup
Jun 04 03:34:20 <edude03> You and your t-mob
Jun 04 03:34:24 <Tommy> but no 3G on my nettwerks
Jun 04 03:34:28 <edude03> Tommy: What's your main then?
Jun 04 03:34:36 <Tommy> edude03: right now nothing, i'm waiting for something worth buying
Jun 04 03:34:42 <edude03> LOL!
Jun 04 03:34:57 <Tommy> i sold my G2 while the value was high enough
Jun 04 03:35:03 <edude03> Tommy: I got nothing as my main phone, and a Captivate as my backup, incase I get desperate
Jun 04 03:35:18 <Tommy> edude03: well, i'm using my backup right now... that doesn't mean it's not my backup
Jun 04 03:35:33 <Tommy> it's a phone i've decided not to sell because i'm going to keep it as an extra, that = "backup"
Jun 04 03:35:41 <edude03> OK
Jun 04 03:35:47 <Tommy> "holy jesus, my hard drive was wiped, good thing i keep backups!"
Jun 04 03:35:55 <Tommy> ...your backups still aren't your main hard drive in that situation :D
Jun 04 03:35:57 <halfhalo> bah, backups
Jun 04 03:36:10 <edude03> Oh Tommy have you applied for google music?
Jun 04 03:36:21 <Tommy> :\ yeah, like a fucking month ago
Jun 04 03:36:26 <edude03> same
Jun 04 03:36:30 <edude03> Got mine today though
Jun 04 03:36:36 <Tommy> i was looking forward to it more than anyone else i know, and i can't get a fucking invite
Jun 04 03:36:45 <Tommy> everyone else is running linux anyways so it means shit all
Jun 04 03:36:47 * halfhalo got his a month ago, didnt even request an invite
Jun 04 03:36:48 <edude03> ugh 224 / 7800 songs uploaded
Jun 04 03:36:50 <Tommy> so many friends who dont even use there
Jun 04 03:36:57 <Tommy> theirs*
Jun 04 03:37:03 <edude03> Tommy: jump em for it :P
Jun 04 03:37:08 <Tommy> halfhalo: i couldve gone to I/O for free, but it was before my finals week
Jun 04 03:37:11 <Tommy> edude03: linked to the email
Jun 04 03:37:27 <halfhalo> didn't go to io, i just know people
Jun 04 03:37:29 <edude03> I hate you so much :|
Jun 04 03:37:35 <edude03> both halfhalo and Tommy
Jun 04 03:37:53 <halfhalo> just like i get an awesome discount for all onlive games
Jun 04 03:37:56 <Tommy> halfhalo: i know plenty of people who work on the android dev team, they can't get me invites
Jun 04 03:37:59 <DocLee> Bah.  I have google music on an account I use for spam email...
Jun 04 03:38:04 <DocLee> Not on a main account.
Jun 04 03:38:11 <edude03> ^ owned
Jun 04 03:38:14 <Tommy> DocLee: see, this is exactly what i'm talking about, so many people dont even use their invite
Jun 04 03:38:26 <Tommy> and yet i really want to use it and i can't
Jun 04 03:38:28 <Tommy> gg google
Jun 04 03:38:30 <DocLee> I don't even know how that happened.
Jun 04 03:38:34 <DocLee> I didn't request one.
Jun 04 03:38:41 <Tommy> eggzachary
Jun 04 03:38:46 <Tommy> their invite system is so fucked
Jun 04 03:38:47 <Tommy> completely hit or miss
Jun 04 03:38:50 <edude03> Ugh I want a I/O galaxy tab
Jun 04 03:38:54 <edude03> Since they're limited
Jun 04 03:38:59 <halfhalo> i think its due to ces/e3 shenanigans
Jun 04 03:39:02 <Tommy> edude03: wanna pay big money for it? the friend i was out with last night has one
Jun 04 03:39:07 <edude03> I'd be happen with a borken one
Jun 04 03:39:10 <edude03> Not really :/
Jun 04 03:39:17 <Tommy> k
Jun 04 03:39:23 <edude03> Unless big money => 500
Jun 04 03:39:36 <Tommy> lol, the tablet itself, even the normal edition, is worth more than that
Jun 04 03:41:20 <edude03> >= *
Jun 04 03:41:22 <edude03> Is it?
Jun 04 03:41:28 <edude03> hmm
Jun 04 03:41:30 <edude03> OK~
Jun 04 03:41:35 <haeffb> damn, verizon has pixi touchstone backs for $2.97 as well
Jun 04 03:41:44 <edude03> How bout a trade for a top of the line current MBP :D
Jun 04 03:42:08 <Tommy> it'd definitely be more than $500 to get it from him
Jun 04 03:42:14 * edude03 can't afford the trade it though
Jun 04 03:42:17 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 03:42:42 <edude03> lol
Jun 04 03:42:45 <summatusmentis> edude03: how old are you?
Jun 04 03:42:49 <edude03> Guess :)
Jun 04 03:42:50 <summatusmentis> out of curiosity
Jun 04 03:42:56 <summatusmentis> mmm.... 15?
Jun 04 03:42:59 <edude03> :|
Jun 04 03:43:03 <summatusmentis> no?
Jun 04 03:43:05 <edude03> My pride
Jun 04 03:43:09 <summatusmentis> sorry, I didn't mean to offend
Jun 04 03:43:12 <edude03> Just went spinning down the drain
Jun 04 03:43:17 <summatusmentis> so wanna tell me?
Jun 04 03:43:32 <Tommy> he's like, 20.
Jun 04 03:43:33 <edude03> No~ I'm might be acting like a weird hyper doucey kid right now
Jun 04 03:43:37 <edude03> But I'm older than that
Jun 04 03:43:45 <torchie-nook> is it possible for an android device to deploy horizontal keyboard wothout taking up the whole screen?
Jun 04 03:43:46 <summatusmentis> it's just your gadget-lust is in hyper-mode
Jun 04 03:43:46 <haeffb> and the touchstones are $4.97 with free shipping... ?!?!?
Jun 04 03:43:52 <edude03> torchie-nook: yes
Jun 04 03:43:56 <summatusmentis> haeffb: inorite?
Jun 04 03:44:00 <Tommy> torchie-nook: you can make your own keyboard do whatever you want it to >.<
Jun 04 03:44:05 <Tommy> actually idk if that's true
Jun 04 03:44:08 <edude03> summatusmentis: It's called not having a girlfriend :/
Jun 04 03:44:25 <cwayne1> lolol
Jun 04 03:44:27 <Tommy> edude03: canadian girls are effin amazing
Jun 04 03:44:38 <edude03> You laff but I'm 80% serious
Jun 04 03:44:54 <edude03> Because if I did have a girlfriend I wouldn't for very long
Jun 04 03:45:10 <edude03> Because I'd be like, honey I couldn't get you anything for valentines day
Jun 04 03:45:20 <Tommy> i bought my 8th phone this month
Jun 04 03:45:21 <summatusmentis> edude03: hah, been there. I was just curious, I remember neurotic about gadgets in high school, so that's why I ask
Jun 04 03:45:25 <torchie-nook> Well every keyboard I've used on android
Jun 04 03:45:26 <edude03> BUT look at this limited edition galaxy tab I bought for 3k
Jun 04 03:45:38 <Tommy> torchie-nook: yeah, idk
Jun 04 03:45:38 <DocLee> edude03, so start developing and make some money
Jun 04 03:45:45 <edude03> I do actually :)
Jun 04 03:45:46 <torchie-nook> Has taken the whole screen
Jun 04 03:46:02 <edude03> I'm actually a web developer though
Jun 04 03:46:16 <edude03> I'd love to get into android development
Jun 04 03:46:22 <edude03> but I can't think of anything to test the waters
Jun 04 03:46:34 <edude03> Something easy enough to code in a month or two
Jun 04 03:46:41 <edude03> that I could sell for 99 cents
Jun 04 03:46:59 <summatusmentis> the prof I'm gonna work with (hopefully) wants me to learn android dev
Jun 04 03:46:59 <edude03> summatusmentis: and yeah I'm 20
Jun 04 03:47:00 <DocLee> The money is in advertising.
Jun 04 03:47:13 <edude03> If I make something free that people would like
Jun 04 03:47:20 <edude03> But again, don't know what to make
Jun 04 03:47:24 <Tommy> edude03: interested in a game? i know one that's open source and insanely addictive
Jun 04 03:47:25 <summatusmentis> is oauth easier in android?
Jun 04 03:47:26 <Tommy> not for android
Jun 04 03:47:39 <edude03> Tommy: Maybe, link
Jun 04 03:47:39 <edude03> ?
Jun 04 03:47:47 <Tommy> sure thing fella
Jun 04 03:47:50 <Tommy> gimme a sec to find it
Jun 04 03:47:52 <DocLee> What not for Android?
Jun 04 03:48:04 <edude03> Argh
Jun 04 03:48:14 <edude03> my parkway drive isn't in the cloud yet :<
Jun 04 03:48:20 <edude03> I need to go to work and upload this ****
Jun 04 03:48:29 <Tommy> here's a video and a link to download it for winmo, the video's insanely slow, the game obviously doesnt go that slow
Jun 04 03:48:30 <Tommy> http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-doubleskill.html
Jun 04 03:48:36 <Tommy> now i'll try to find a link for the source
Jun 04 03:49:27 <edude03> Oh thats neat
Jun 04 03:49:42 <Tommy> yeah, you need to keep the ball on bottom on the paddle, it leans every time you move the top paddle
Jun 04 03:49:53 <Tommy> very simple graphics, very simple physics, open source, seems like a great project
Jun 04 03:51:09 <Tommy> dammit where is the source
Jun 04 03:51:21 <haeffb> bastards charged me $0.91 tax on a three touchstone order.
Jun 04 03:51:28 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 04 03:51:35 <oil> sue!
Jun 04 03:51:47 <DocLee> I could make that game
Jun 04 03:52:04 <halfhalo> 17k songs to upload to google music
Jun 04 03:52:07 <halfhalo> lulz
Jun 04 03:52:17 <edude03> holy fff halfhalo
Jun 04 03:52:31 * haeffb doesn't have 17000 of anything
Jun 04 03:52:37 <halfhalo> about 15k of those are going to be skipped due to drm though
Jun 04 03:52:41 <haeffb> including grains of sugar in my sugar jar
Jun 04 03:52:46 <edude03> pwnd
Jun 04 03:52:52 <edude03> laff @ DRM
Jun 04 03:52:55 <oil> no, they'll upload them, then the riaa will send ya a bill
Jun 04 03:53:08 <halfhalo> 700 already skipped
Jun 04 03:53:14 <halfhalo> and its zunepass, im ok with the drm
Jun 04 03:53:27 <Tommy> edude03: fuuuck, i can't find the source now! xflib.net is down D:
Jun 04 03:54:00 <DocLee> Tommy, Don't really need source code for something like that.
Jun 04 03:54:11 <Tommy> DocLee: i figure it'd be much easier if you had it
Jun 04 03:54:27 <halfhalo> considering i can listen to/download/sync any song in the zune library for 15 a month, the drm isn't a big deal
Jun 04 03:54:31 <DocLee> Tommy, not if it's written in C++
Jun 04 03:54:34 <halfhalo> esp when i get 10 songs free a month
Jun 04 03:54:55 <Tommy> DocLee: idk what it's written in, is that how wm apps are written?
Jun 04 03:55:01 <edude03> Grooveshark </argument>
Jun 04 03:55:03 <DocLee> Tommy, It'd be like translating Greek to Punjabi
Jun 04 03:55:09 <edude03> Probably VB / C#
Jun 04 03:55:16 <Tommy> DocLee: understood, but i dont even know what it was written in lol
Jun 04 03:55:22 <DocLee> I'm guessing C++
Jun 04 03:55:31 <Tommy> I'M GUESSING JARVA
Jun 04 03:55:42 <halfhalo> but the important stuff, namely CCR and HATBF are already up in the cloud, so i'm happy
Jun 04 03:55:57 <edude03> I can't wait to get a chromebook now
Jun 04 03:56:01 <Tommy> meh
Jun 04 03:56:04 <edude03> All my music will be there when I open it up
Jun 04 03:56:13 <edude03> Now, do I put my porn on picasa hmm
Jun 04 03:56:29 <oil> yes
Jun 04 03:56:41 * halfhalo has his songs on his zune.  which means no crappy compression from streaming
Jun 04 03:56:57 <edude03> Hmm does google compress my shiznit
Jun 04 03:58:12 <edude03> NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Jun 04 03:58:18 <halfhalo> yeah, i doubt they are going to stream all my musac in 320Kb AAC/MP3 to me, esp when i'm on the go
Jun 04 03:58:18 <edude03> ARGH!!
Jun 04 03:58:33 <edude03> I just realized that GMusic won't sync with last.fm
Jun 04 03:58:51 <edude03> They might :|
Jun 04 04:00:21 <edude03> http://smarterbits.org/post/5366004571/numbercrunching <-- shit brix
Jun 04 04:07:15 <Tommy> halfhalo: lol, you realize your phone will not allow you to hear the difference between 320kbps MP3 and anything higher right
Jun 04 04:07:34 <halfhalo> thats why I don;t play media on my phone
Jun 04 04:07:38 <Tommy> right
Jun 04 04:07:51 <Tommy> oh nvm, i missed the "i doubt" part in your comment
Jun 04 04:08:00 <Tommy> i thought you were saying "yeah, it's downgraded to 320k"
Jun 04 04:08:55 <halfhalo> hence why I have a zune hd and pair it with shures
Jun 04 04:09:41 <edude03> Tommy: Depends on the DAC
Jun 04 04:09:54 <Tommy> edude03: make me that game, i wanna play it
Jun 04 04:10:02 <edude03> The Galaxy phones rock a Wolfson which is pro quality
Jun 04 04:10:29 <Tommy> yeah and then they use a quarter soldered to a motherboard as a GPS antenna
Jun 04 04:10:32 <edude03> So FLAC w/ good headphones is reasonable
Jun 04 04:10:45 <edude03> Ironic
Jun 04 04:10:55 <edude03> Well maybe in yours
Jun 04 04:11:21 <edude03> they used a quarter and a nickel in mine
Jun 04 04:12:29 <edude03> DAC = Digital to Analog converter of course :)
Jun 04 04:13:18 <Tommy> lol
Jun 04 04:13:24 * halfhalo hearts his zune
Jun 04 04:13:34 <Tommy> zunes are gay
Jun 04 04:13:39 <Tommy> i know this, because microsoft is gay, and makes them
Jun 04 04:13:42 <edude03> Zunes are aiiite
Jun 04 04:13:52 <edude03> But the lack of mac support is retarded
Jun 04 04:13:59 <Tommy> true
Jun 04 04:14:04 <Tommy> trying to make a statement, but just losing sales
Jun 04 04:14:04 <edude03> Microsoft: Apple invaded your shit with iTunes
Jun 04 04:14:28 <halfhalo> hmm, lets see... windows product... no mac support... considering most people use windows... its not a big deal at this point
Jun 04 04:14:29 <edude03> How could you _NOT_ bring Zune Desktop to mac to show apple what's what
Jun 04 04:14:31 <edude03> And get more sales
Jun 04 04:14:41 <Tommy> halfhalo: it loses them plenty of sales
Jun 04 04:14:58 <edude03> Take me for example
Jun 04 04:14:59 <Tommy> my neighbor had a zune HD, can't use it anymore, sold it used and got an ipod touch
Jun 04 04:15:20 <edude03> I'm not going to buy Windows and VMWare just to use microsofts shit
Jun 04 04:15:23 <Tommy> he would've loved to have bought a newer zune, but having a mac (he's some fancypants digital art major where he's required to have a mac) killed that
Jun 04 04:16:19 <edude03> ^
Jun 04 04:16:21 <edude03> this
Jun 04 04:16:32 <halfhalo> wait, there is sync software for mac now
Jun 04 04:16:39 <edude03> Too late
Jun 04 04:16:44 <edude03> Should have been their launch day
Jun 04 04:17:06 <edude03> I could have been through 4 ipods by now
Jun 04 04:17:14 <halfhalo> meh, I would never actually sync to my mac, only through my pc
Jun 04 04:17:18 <halfhalo> due to library support
Jun 04 04:17:25 <edude03> That too
Jun 04 04:18:22 <edude03> Well I'm off to bed
Jun 04 04:18:39 <edude03> hopefully 10% of my library is uploaded before I wake up tomorrow :/
Jun 04 04:19:53 <edude03> nightynight
Jun 04 04:21:27 * halfhalo fires up some CCR
Jun 04 04:24:10 <Tommy> later edude03
Jun 04 04:53:35 <dwc-> cheap touchstones again, eh ($5)
Jun 04 04:55:27 <Tommy> somethin like that
Jun 04 04:55:49 <oil> where at?
Jun 04 04:55:57 <dwc-> verizon
Jun 04 04:55:58 <halfhalo> the internet
Jun 04 04:56:02 <dwc-> http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?p=40091433
Jun 04 04:56:44 <dwc-> I paid $10 for the vzw bundle
Jun 04 04:56:48 <dwc-> sometime ago
Jun 04 04:57:11 <dwc-> I actually need more microusb cables and wall chargers before I need more touchstones
Jun 04 05:52:16 <LoneStar99> anyone here?
Jun 04 05:59:37 <oil> no
Jun 04 06:03:26 <LoneStar99> can't figure out why a static div can be dragged but not a div coming from an ajax call...
Jun 04 06:10:52 <sugardave> is it properly lubricated?
Jun 04 06:11:59 <LoneStar99> lol sugardave
Jun 04 06:12:19 <LoneStar99> what would your first guess be?
Jun 04 06:13:47 <sugardave> the scene/DOM isn't refreshing fully
Jun 04 06:13:51 <sugardave> maybe
Jun 04 06:14:53 <LoneStar99> you think it has anything to do with it coming from json source?
Jun 04 06:15:40 <DocLee> json is the devil...so it's quite possible.
Jun 04 06:15:46 <sugardave> unknown...it shouldn't matter if it gets in the DOM...but it could be lots of stuff
Jun 04 06:15:59 <sugardave> is it possible there is something transparent over it?
Jun 04 06:16:36 <sugardave> DocLee: come on, JSON isn't the devil...maybe a lesser demon, but not the devil
Jun 04 06:16:47 <DocLee> The devil, I say
Jun 04 06:18:34 <LoneStar99> ok let me contact some more tests
Jun 04 06:19:01 <LoneStar99> json is my friend
Jun 04 06:28:28 <jaf0> any enyo devs?
Jun 04 06:28:52 <sugardave> probably, but they can't talk about it
Jun 04 06:29:48 <DocLee> I'll talk about it
Jun 04 06:30:44 <jaf0> is there a non-specific way to reference a variable in a "parent" kind?
Jun 04 06:31:27 <jaf0> or, is there a way to allow a child kind access to the parent variables?
Jun 04 06:32:48 <jaf0> or more simply, is there a way to define a "Global" variable? :)
Jun 04 06:33:09 <DocLee> If they aren't custom, then just define them normally as global
Jun 04 06:33:18 <DocLee> blah1 = blah
Jun 04 06:34:00 <jaf0> so don't var them?
Jun 04 06:34:15 <DocLee> Correct
Jun 04 06:34:56 <sugardave> well, the apps are still javascript...so if you make a global var, it is global
Jun 04 06:35:19 <jaf0> and they're available to any child, but not parents, since they may or maynot be instantiated? or the fact that they're there in one of the "depends.js"d files?
Jun 04 06:35:42 <jaf0> means they're accessible?
Jun 04 06:35:45 <sugardave> oh, I guess I should read before talking
Jun 04 06:36:08 <DocLee> If they're custom, then, no.  You need to use the backwards event system
Jun 04 06:36:29 <DocLee> Which you'll find yourself pulling your hair out and wanting to slit your wrists.
Jun 04 06:36:53 <jaf0> parent1.parent2.parent3.varname?
Jun 04 06:37:08 <jaf0> or something like that? =)
Jun 04 06:37:12 <DocLee> No
Jun 04 06:37:16 <DocLee> No no no/
Jun 04 06:37:22 * jaf0 hides.
Jun 04 06:38:17 <jaf0> ok. basically, I want to have a single file with essentially #defines
Jun 04 06:38:34 <DocLee> Pastebin it
Jun 04 06:38:45 <DocLee> Then explain what you want to do
Jun 04 06:39:32 <jaf0> I just want to set SOURCE_URL = "http://blah" and be able to pick it up somewhere down the road.
Jun 04 06:39:50 <DocLee> Then do that.
Jun 04 06:39:56 <DocLee> SOURCE_URL = blah
Jun 04 06:40:07 <DocLee> Stick it in create:function()
Jun 04 06:41:37 <jaf0> ok.
Jun 04 06:42:19 <jaf0> and don't need to do anything fancy in the other "kind"'s to be able to access it?
Jun 04 06:42:48 <DocLee> As long as they aren't custom
Jun 04 06:43:08 <jaf0> "custom"?
Jun 04 06:43:20 * jaf0 appears slightly confused.
Jun 04 06:43:32 <DocLee> Ones that you create yourself and add to depends
Jun 04 06:44:09 * jaf0 ponders.
Jun 04 06:46:31 <jaf0> and if I do create it?  then how do I get to it?
Jun 04 06:46:54 <LoneStar99> weird can't make my dynamic div draggable =(
Jun 04 06:47:02 <jaf0> MyKind.<something>
Jun 04 06:47:06 <jaf0> ?
Jun 04 06:51:29 <DocLee> jaf0, you pass it to it as an argument.
Jun 04 06:52:02 <DocLee> jaf0, but unless you fully understand the system, stick with the basics.
Jun 04 06:54:45 <sugardave> let's just speak in hypotheticals for a minute...let's say you had some system where you specified which source files you wanted to load...like sources.json, for instance.  In sources.json you can put discrete files that contain global namespaces that are then accessible by all the other files that come after it
Jun 04 06:55:54 <sugardave> so, hypothetically speaking, if you were to load a standard js file that had global vars and namespaces defined in it, as long as it was loaded before anything else...chances are good that the later loaded files will have access to it
Jun 04 06:56:01 <sugardave> subject to your vigorous testing, of course
Jun 04 07:30:43 <jaf0> ok. next issue. why does enyo seem to balk at me...
Jun 04 07:31:03 * jaf0 pulls out hair.
Jun 04 07:31:12 <jaf0> just a sec, pastebinning.
Jun 04 07:33:07 <sugardave> ummm....might not be a great idea
Jun 04 07:33:31 <sugardave> I hate to sound like an ass, but I'm working for them now and Enyo is still under NDA
Jun 04 07:34:26 <jaf0> all it has is enyo.kind and name.
Jun 04 07:34:42 <jaf0> just snippet? is that ok?
Jun 04 07:35:01 <sugardave> technically, it isn't
Jun 04 07:35:11 <jaf0> can I query you?
Jun 04 07:35:12 <sugardave> pm me
Jun 04 07:45:54 <oil> :/
Jun 04 08:26:20 <ajay> hey folks
Jun 04 08:59:33 <dohtem> Touchstone charger for $5 - http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=40094169&postcount=2
Jun 04 09:00:57 * ajay wants the touchstone with charger (the fat charger, not the small one that comes w/ the phone)
Jun 04 09:02:15 <Tommy> dohtem: oldddd
Jun 04 09:06:45 <ajay> dkirker: isn't it past your bedtime? :)
Jun 04 09:07:07 <dkirker> ajay: yeah :P
Jun 04 09:07:18 <dkirker> just about to head there
Jun 04 09:07:46 <ajay> dkirker: oh before i forget, were you gonna toss me that twitter pw?
Jun 04 09:08:11 <dkirker> ajay: yeah, I'll change it in the am and email it to you. Can you drop me a reminder email, please?
Jun 04 09:08:15 * ajay wishes for says on extended batteries
Jun 04 09:08:38 <ajay> dkirker: will try to remember.. maybe you can toss me a reminder email to remind you?  :P
Jun 04 09:08:48 <ajay> s/says/sales
Jun 04 09:13:47 <ajay> oh my how did it get so late..
Jun 04 09:14:02 <ajay> well, at least it's raining, so i don't feel like i have to volunteer in the garden in the morning.
Jun 04 09:30:00 <ajay> woa, good thing i responded to that dude i thought was a spammer, he legitimately wants to buy something from me off CL, haha..
Jun 04 09:30:11 <Tommy> hahah nice
Jun 04 09:30:14 <ajay> (when I replied to him I used my craigslist temp addy as from: though so was still basically safe)
Jun 04 09:30:56 * ajay is registering for The Muther! now.. hm, what does this blank page mean?
Jun 04 09:31:16 <Tommy> it means you got hacked
Jun 04 09:31:21 <ajay> doh!
Jun 04 09:31:24 <ajay> :)
Jun 04 09:31:56 <ajay> hm, well they got my money now, so hopefully i'm registered!
Jun 04 09:33:15 <ajay> damn i hate how everyone uses paypal.. and there goes most of the money i just made off eBay! eh.. :|
Jun 04 09:33:19 <ajay> well nite folks!
Jun 04 09:33:58 <Tommy> later ajay
Jun 04 10:28:31 <loic_m> hi
Jun 04 10:28:43 <Tommy> hai
Jun 04 10:34:54 <loic_m> any hint on how to have both sdk 2.1 and 3.0 ?
Jun 04 13:40:45 <leiru> a http server in 1 tweet: https://gist.github.com/993688
Jun 04 13:41:04 <leiru> brainfuck interpreter - in 1 tweet: https://gist.github.com/995255
Jun 04 13:41:05 <leiru> :D
Jun 04 13:50:40 <edude03> 593 / 7800
Jun 04 13:50:52 <edude03> 400 songs uploaded in 8 hours or so :/
Jun 04 13:51:02 * edude03 is talking about google music btw
Jun 04 15:07:45 <dwc-> I was unimpressed by google music so far
Jun 04 15:08:09 <dwc-> but, given lack of windows, mac, and android, there's not a whole lot to do other than stream the free stuff
Jun 04 15:10:05 <LoneStar99> dwc, did google music open up?
Jun 04 15:10:23 <LoneStar99> next is the google smart toilet
Jun 04 15:10:37 <dwc-> dunno... it's beta
Jun 04 15:10:48 <LoneStar99> k
Jun 04 15:10:59 <dwc-> I had one offer of an invite, I stood in line with everybody else.
Jun 04 15:11:11 <LoneStar99> right on,
Jun 04 15:11:16 <dwc-> told him to save his for someone who was actually excited about the product
Jun 04 15:11:22 <LoneStar99> i'll just stick to online radio =)
Jun 04 15:11:47 <dwc-> that's basically what it seemed like... every other music locker/streaming site
Jun 04 15:13:01 <LoneStar99> dwc- no google twist to the service?
Jun 04 15:13:46 <dwc-> not as far as I could tell, based solely on using the flash-based website
Jun 04 15:13:50 <LoneStar99> like "a browser without a navigation bar" type thing...
Jun 04 15:14:03 <LoneStar99> damn flash- based?
Jun 04 15:14:13 <dwc-> well, you need flash for the music playing part
Jun 04 15:14:55 <dwc-> the rest of the UI is in js of course
Jun 04 15:15:04 <dwc-> but, of course doesn't work on the pre unless you let flash autoplay
Jun 04 15:15:07 <LoneStar99> right on
Jun 04 15:15:31 <dwc-> because the flash player isn't visible so you can't click on it to start it
Jun 04 15:16:09 <dwc-> s/click/tap/
Jun 04 15:17:01 <LoneStar99> "click to start" --> "black and yellow"
Jun 04 15:19:25 <LoneStar99> dwc you mess with draggable divs yet?
Jun 04 15:20:05 <LoneStar99> can't figure out why some ajax/json dervived divs are not draggable while a static div is...
Jun 04 15:20:06 <dwc-> webos?
Jun 04 15:20:08 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 04 15:20:14 <dwc-> nope, sorry
Jun 04 15:20:27 <LoneStar99> k, u never know
Jun 04 16:05:40 <Popple3> Random app dev company name idea: "Onomato Apps" - Yay or nay?
Jun 04 16:08:07 <Spanska> I just hit a weird bug and am wondering if the same occured to someone else in case there is an easy fix. I add a new calendarevent but the dtstart and dtend times are capped at 2147483647 as if they use a 32-bit signed integer. However everything worked fine a few minutes ago.
Jun 04 16:24:53 <Codhisattva> Popple3: what country? USA? no go.
Jun 04 16:25:12 <Popple3> Codhisattva: Ireland, but with apps for sale in US
Jun 04 16:25:16 <Popple3> why no go?
Jun 04 16:27:08 <Codhisattva> falls off the tongue like a brick of ice
Jun 04 16:27:50 <Popple3> lol, m'kay, duly noted
Jun 04 16:31:14 <Popple3> also, just realised it means "Summarized hatchet" in Japanese
Jun 04 16:31:32 <Popple3> that does not sense make
Jun 04 16:32:19 <Codhisattva> oh now I kind of like it
Jun 04 16:33:13 <Popple3> lol
Jun 04 16:35:08 * Codhisattva probably shouldn't have creative influence
Jun 04 16:36:07 <Popple3> good ol' summarized hatchets :P
Jun 04 16:36:29 <Codhisattva> the logo possibilities are endless!
Jun 04 16:39:19 <Popple3> ......really?
Jun 04 16:39:19 <Popple3> :P
Jun 04 16:39:55 <Codhisattva> you see... I'm a fan of the absurd
Jun 04 16:40:09 <Codhisattva> like Douglas Adam's book "The Salmon of Doubt"
Jun 04 16:40:24 <Codhisattva> or David Foster Wallace's "The Broom of the System"
Jun 04 16:40:51 <Codhisattva> so Popple3's "The Summarized Hatchet" makes perfect poetic sense to me :)
Jun 04 16:41:26 <Popple3> Codhisattva: You know, it's starting to grow on me... :P
Jun 04 16:44:51 <Codhisattva> The Hatchet of Summary. Like Occam's Razor but more brutal
Jun 04 16:59:08 <Popple3> Codhisattva: Hmmm... Can't used Summarized for one reason, and one reason only:; "Summarised" vs. "Summarized". I can't take the "YOU SPELT IT WRONG" messages :P
Jun 04 17:00:11 <Popple3> but I like the idea of just having a random adjective and noun combo
Jun 04 17:03:20 <Popple3> perfect: http://creativityforyou.com/combomaker.html
Jun 04 17:04:18 <Popple3> Mechanical Sausage
Jun 04 17:10:27 <edude03> dwc-: If you're a android and or chromeOS user then it makes a lot of sense
Jun 04 17:10:32 <edude03> Especially on a chrome book
Jun 04 17:10:53 <edude03> Because it'll sync your music into the cloud automagically
Jun 04 17:11:04 <edude03> So when you open your CB it's full of music already
Jun 04 17:11:17 <edude03> And since most smartphone users have a dataplan
Jun 04 17:11:39 <edude03> Being able to store 20,000 songs in adition to the stuff already on your phone is very convinent
Jun 04 17:26:07 <Popple3> Ugh, coming up with original company names is hard :(
Jun 04 17:27:24 <sugardave> don't argue with an ibex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TugslL45aXk&feature=youtu.be
Jun 04 17:30:35 <Popple3> sugardave: I shall keep that in mind
Jun 04 18:43:18 <fudge_> sup erryone
Jun 04 19:48:17 <jaf0> sugardave? you there?
Jun 04 20:03:04 <dohtem> hello!
Jun 04 20:07:05 <fudge_> hdllo
Jun 04 20:07:08 <fudge_> hello
Jun 04 20:09:38 <dohtem> what's going on this fine Saturday?
Jun 04 20:10:55 <BigWookie> nodn
Jun 04 20:11:31 <halfhalo> moooo
Jun 04 20:13:12 * dohtem is upgrading an Android phone :(  
Jun 04 20:13:18 <dohtem> Pre3, I can't wait...
Jun 04 20:13:24 <BigWookie>  /sign
Jun 04 20:13:28 <BigWookie> :D preordered on amazon
Jun 04 20:15:04 <BigWookie> Voraussichtliches Lieferdatum: Juni 14 2011 - Juni 25 2011
Jun 04 20:15:23 <dohtem> German?
Jun 04 20:15:27 <BigWookie> yap
Jun 04 20:15:31 <Tommy> GUYS GUYS GUYS
Jun 04 20:15:34 <dohtem> Ja
Jun 04 20:15:40 <BigWookie> :)
Jun 04 20:15:42 <Tommy> i just ordered 2 touchstones and an inductive cover for a pixi plus
Jun 04 20:15:47 <Tommy> and it cost me $14.06 shipped including tax
Jun 04 20:15:52 <dohtem> Verizon?
Jun 04 20:15:52 <BigWookie> nice for you :/
Jun 04 20:15:57 <Tommy> you jelly?!
Jun 04 20:16:00 <BigWookie> not avalible here
Jun 04 20:16:04 <Tommy> dohtem: of course
Jun 04 20:16:13 <Tommy> BigWookie: i actually ordered them for my canadian friend, i'm shipping them out to him as soon as i get them
Jun 04 20:16:28 <halfhalo> theres a pixi plus somewhere in my room... i think.
Jun 04 20:16:34 <BigWookie> Tommy: I planned to move to canada... not early enough xD
Jun 04 20:16:37 <Tommy> halfhalo: wanna sell it to me?
Jun 04 20:16:43 <halfhalo> no
Jun 04 20:16:44 <Tommy> BigWookie: lol, where are you from?
Jun 04 20:16:47 <BigWookie> germany
Jun 04 20:16:59 <BigWookie> sorry misunderstood you, thought you bought them from canada and ship them to you
Jun 04 20:17:15 <Tommy> ah, deutschland
Jun 04 20:17:21 <BigWookie> yap
Jun 04 20:17:36 <BigWookie> touchstone costs 60 eur on amazon here
Jun 04 20:17:50 <Tommy> well, i could probably ship them to you too, if you're interested... but it'd cost like $13-15 in shipping, so the total price would be $30 or so USD
Jun 04 20:18:16 <Vyker> anyone in here work for palm or HP?
Jun 04 20:18:22 <dohtem> Nein!
Jun 04 20:18:26 <BigWookie> Tommy: thanks for the offer :) but it's not that important, already got one and the others are optional
Jun 04 20:18:34 * dohtem is German today :)
Jun 04 20:18:36 <Tommy> mmkay, no problem
Jun 04 20:18:47 <BigWookie> :)
Jun 04 20:19:04 <Vyker> is there anything anyone would want to say to HP Palm?
Jun 04 20:19:08 <Tommy> i realize i'm pretty fortunate (in many ways, not so much in others) to live in the US, so i do what i can to help people who have to pay insane prices for the things i get cheap D:
Jun 04 20:19:11 <Vyker> if you had the chance to give them a message?
Jun 04 20:19:23 <Tommy> Vyker: start making android phones
Jun 04 20:19:54 <Tommy> nah nah, just kidding, kinda. make phones that dual boot webOS and android
Jun 04 20:19:57 <BigWookie> Tommy: you're right for many things, Emotive Epoc for example :D neuroheadset
Jun 04 20:20:27 <dwc-> vyker's hp/palm message delivery?
Jun 04 20:20:29 <BigWookie> Tommy: shouldn't be that hard
Jun 04 20:20:41 <Tommy> BigWookie: my friend from canada bought a galaxy S II for like $700 online, and paid $60 in customs fees... when he told me that i was like, what the hell? you pay customs fees, to import things?
Jun 04 20:20:58 <Tommy> in the US, i don't pay tariffs on *anything* i import, whether it's worth $30 or $30,000
Jun 04 20:21:06 <Vyker> I work for HP.
Jun 04 20:21:06 <BigWookie> we also have that here
Jun 04 20:21:15 <Tommy> Vyker: what do you do at HP?
Jun 04 20:21:20 <dohtem> Tommy: I think you are supposed to after a certain amount
Jun 04 20:21:33 <Tommy> dohtem: that amount must be reallllly high then :S
Jun 04 20:21:33 <dwc-> I take it you don't pay use taxes on your out of state purchases either? ;)
Jun 04 20:21:46 <Tommy> dwc-: lol, that's a state issue.
Jun 04 20:21:51 <Vyker> nothing special, Tommy.
Jun 04 20:21:59 <Tommy> i pay 8.75% sales tax where i'm from, but NH, FL, TX, 0%
Jun 04 20:21:59 <Vyker> dwc-, yes, possibly a message deleivery
Jun 04 20:22:17 * halfhalo pays 10%, but 0 from amazon
Jun 04 20:22:26 <summatusmentis> Vyker: you work at HP, but your hostname is in the UK?
Jun 04 20:22:30 <Tommy> Vyker: i'm just curious what you do, didn't say you had to be the head engineer of the rocket launching baby punching world bombing division
Jun 04 20:22:43 <dwc-> there is HP in europe...
Jun 04 20:22:45 <Vyker> summatusmentis, its global lol
Jun 04 20:22:50 <summatusmentis> there is, I'm aware of that
Jun 04 20:22:51 <Tommy> LOL i cant believe he just said that
Jun 04 20:22:57 <Tommy> i know someone who works for google... in sydney.
Jun 04 20:22:57 <halfhalo> theres no europe, what are you talking about
Jun 04 20:22:58 <dwc-> even if the phones aren't ;)
Jun 04 20:23:04 <Tommy> OH ZING
Jun 04 20:23:08 * Tommy high fives dwc- 
Jun 04 20:23:13 <Vyker> lol
Jun 04 20:23:13 <summatusmentis> I'm very obviously aware HP is world-wide
Jun 04 20:23:17 <Tommy> your name makes me think of growing pot.
Jun 04 20:23:19 <BigWookie> o_O
Jun 04 20:23:37 <Tommy> DWC = deep water culture
Jun 04 20:23:48 <Tommy> http://www.hydroponicist.com/hydroponic-systems/images/aero-pod-bubbler.jpg
Jun 04 20:23:49 <Vyker> so anyhow, if anyone wants a direct message back to Palm, id be more than happy to pass it on.
Jun 04 20:23:54 <summatusmentis> their HQ and most of their general developement and things ahppen in the US right?
Jun 04 20:24:00 <dwc-> vyker: no messages from me
Jun 04 20:24:22 <dwc-> there are other HP/palm people here though on occasion
Jun 04 20:24:32 <BigWookie> is there a official bugtracker for webos?
Jun 04 20:24:39 <halfhalo> when I send a message to hpalm, I generally yell it really loud.  so I'm good.
Jun 04 20:24:44 <dwc-> for public use?
Jun 04 20:25:02 <dwc-> or palm internal?
Jun 04 20:25:04 <Tommy> BigWookie: since it's not open source, i'd think not
Jun 04 20:25:11 <Tommy> dwc-: i think he meant public, like b.android.com
Jun 04 20:26:01 <dwc-> http://www.usitc.gov/tata/hts/bychapter/index.htm
Jun 04 20:26:06 <BigWookie> I already wrote that but the contacts merger regulary uses 99%cpu and there are regulary messages with BIG HACK from the contacts manager in the messages log..
Jun 04 20:26:11 <dwc-> in case you ever wanted to know what the duties are on imported nuclear reactors
Jun 04 20:26:17 <dwc-> (chapter 84)
Jun 04 20:27:07 <Tommy> BigWookie: it actually says BIG HACK in the log?
Jun 04 20:27:15 <BigWookie> Tommy: yap xD
Jun 04 20:27:17 <BigWookie> w8
Jun 04 20:27:26 <Tommy> holy shit this girl on tv is hot
Jun 04 20:27:34 <Tommy> who the fuck is she, worst song ever but hot damn
Jun 04 20:28:17 <summatusmentis> Tommy: what song?
Jun 04 20:28:17 <Tommy> victoria justice, should be my wife.
Jun 04 20:28:23 <Tommy> summatusmentis: best friend's brother
Jun 04 20:28:25 <BigWookie> Palm Pre:/# tail /var/log/messages -n 230 |grep HACK
Jun 04 20:28:25 <BigWookie> 2011-06-04T20:24:31.610046Z [10865] palm-webos user.err alm.service.contacts.linker.js: [com.palm.service.contacts.linker] *****contacts.plugin.messaging BIG HACK! Old and New person are same, maybe this is an AddPerson
Jun 04 20:28:30 <Tommy> her name is victoria justice
Jun 04 20:28:34 <Tommy> google her
Jun 04 20:29:05 * Tommy pukes
Jun 04 20:29:09 <summatusmentis> dude, she's like 14
Jun 04 20:29:11 <BigWookie> I don't know if it's related to the cpu usage but it sounds like that
Jun 04 20:29:11 <Tommy> SHE'S BARELY 18, HOLY FUCK
Jun 04 20:29:16 <BigWookie> xDDDD jailbait
Jun 04 20:29:17 <Tommy> summatusmentis: 18, tyvm.
Jun 04 20:29:21 <summatusmentis> uh huh
Jun 04 20:29:22 <Tommy> she looked 25 in the video
Jun 04 20:29:28 <halfhalo> suuuure
Jun 04 20:29:40 <summatusmentis> "no officer, I swear, she looked 18"
Jun 04 20:29:44 <Tommy> February 19, 1993
Jun 04 20:29:45 <Tommy> 18.
Jun 04 20:30:00 <Tommy> plus, i'm young enough that an 18 year old girl isn't creepy
Jun 04 20:30:06 <Tommy> remember, it's 1/2 your age plus 7
Jun 04 20:32:14 <summatusmentis> it's borderline creepy
Jun 04 20:33:18 <BigWookie> you have problems... xD
Jun 04 20:33:33 <BigWookie> anyone ever tried to use a zeemote on webos?
Jun 04 20:34:27 <fudge_> anyone have a phone that they're parting out?
Jun 04 20:34:57 <BigWookie> i got an old n900
Jun 04 20:34:58 <fudge_> i need the lcd/digitizer piece
Jun 04 20:35:07 <fudge_> lol i mean a pre*
Jun 04 20:35:11 <BigWookie> :P
Jun 04 20:35:14 <BigWookie> you said phone
Jun 04 20:35:24 <fudge_> hehe ye, i shouldda been more specific
Jun 04 20:35:33 <summatusmentis> BigWookie: did you like it? I have an n810
Jun 04 20:35:47 <BigWookie> summatusmentis: i love the hardware, but maemo is just a huuuuuge pile of crap
Jun 04 20:35:47 <fudge_> i want to go back to my pre so badly. bb's suck balls (real talk)
Jun 04 20:36:12 <summatusmentis> BigWookie: I was hoping the n900 would've improved maemo
Jun 04 20:36:29 <summatusmentis> BigWookie: good to know I made the right decision then, <3 webos
Jun 04 20:36:49 <BigWookie> summatusmentis: I love webos too <3 it just works
Jun 04 20:37:35 <BigWookie> maemo is just so unfinished, I had to hack all the time to get things working, for example a2dp never really worked, bt keyboard was an endless fight, and other things too
Jun 04 20:37:50 <BigWookie> if you want something to play around with youre good to go, as it really lets you do anything
Jun 04 20:38:09 <BigWookie> sometimes it even dropped sms notifications..
Jun 04 20:39:17 <summatusmentis> I sorta liked that it allowed hacking, but webos allows hacking and usability
Jun 04 20:39:25 <BigWookie> yep thats the point
Jun 04 20:40:17 <BigWookie> although i'm a little bit pissed right now xD but thats my fault, shoul've read before i bought a zeemote if it's compatible
Jun 04 20:49:12 <Popple3> anyone know how to stop links from opening when you start and end a scroll on one? It's really bugging me
Jun 04 20:51:23 <Popple3> hmmm... Seems I need to override onclick on every link, and implement ontap
Jun 04 20:51:27 <Popple3> sounds fun
Jun 04 20:52:44 <BigWookie> I don't really know what you're talking about but sounds like a job for prototype for me
Jun 04 20:52:50 <Popple3> indeed
Jun 04 20:53:21 <BigWookie> :D than happy hacking
Jun 04 20:53:35 <Popple3> when you start scrolling by placing your finger on a link, and finish the scroll with your finger still on the link, the link opens in the browser
Jun 04 20:53:35 <BigWookie> *then
Jun 04 20:54:00 <BigWookie> hmm sounds not intended
Jun 04 20:54:10 <Popple3> yeah, I've noticed the same in other apps
Jun 04 20:54:43 <Popple3> Spaz annoys the hell out of me because of it
Jun 04 20:55:02 <BigWookie> xD
Jun 04 20:55:48 <BigWookie> then just do it, and if it feels like pain, think of how much pain it would be doing it with microsoft mfc :P
Jun 04 21:08:55 <Popple3> wahey, stopped links altogether! ontap won't work :/
Jun 04 21:29:08 <Popple3> this is proving more difficult than I thought
Jun 04 21:41:41 <Popple3> ah balls, now the scroll just gets stuck when I let go :/
Jun 04 21:54:25 <Popple3> stupid onclick implementation :(
Jun 04 22:12:43 <fudge_> har har har
Jun 04 22:12:46 <fudge_> imma fking pirate
Jun 04 22:14:25 <Popple3> YES! Got the bastarding thing!
Jun 04 22:24:54 <BigWookie> gz :)
Jun 04 22:33:29 <Popple3> BigWookie: gz?
Jun 04 22:34:09 <BigWookie> greets
Jun 04 22:34:12 <dwc-> mmm, word degeneration
Jun 04 22:34:20 <BigWookie> aka congratiolations
Jun 04 22:34:26 <dwc-> congratulations -> congrats -> congratz -> gz
Jun 04 22:35:15 <BigWookie> hmm it's late xD
Jun 04 22:38:56 <Jake_M> you guys think we'll be edit the new virtual keyboards? like make it dvorak or edit them to our liking?
Jun 04 23:30:29 <dkirker> oil: Just saw your tweet! Very nice!
Jun 04 23:30:35 <oil> :)
Jun 04 23:31:03 <halfhalo> thats very colorful, I must say
Jun 04 23:33:22 <dkirker> SineOt is supposed to be helping with a theme for Universe (not sure how compatible it will be...).
Jun 04 23:34:14 <oil> hopefully its better then the crazy ass theme sineot made for preware xD
Jun 04 23:34:17 <oil> at least i think that was sineot
Jun 04 23:34:31 <oil> with the rotating widgets and flashing background haha
Jun 04 23:34:56 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 04 23:34:57 <dkirker> haha!
Jun 04 23:35:34 <dkirker> Well.. He has the URL bar not fitting in well with the webOS theme... It is more like the URL bar I would imagine for Universe for Enyo...
Jun 04 23:37:14 <oil> wait, i thought sineot was a chick?
Jun 04 23:37:22 <dkirker> uhh...
Jun 04 23:37:26 <dkirker> I assumed male
Jun 04 23:37:29 <dkirker> maybe I am wrong?
Jun 04 23:37:52 <oil> i thought the amount of unicorns/ponys posted swung it the other direction
Jun 04 23:38:19 <dkirker> well... I have learned not to take that into account for anyone.
Jun 04 23:38:26 <dkirker> but, maybe I am wrong.
Jun 04 23:38:32 <oil> lol
Jun 04 23:38:41 * dkirker is male, and assumes all other unidentified people on the Internet to be male
Jun 04 23:38:42 <oil> well, ask and let me know :)
Jun 04 23:39:07 <dkirker> haha
Jun 04 23:42:47 <halfhalo> lulz
Jun 04 23:42:57 * halfhalo goes back to taming his bag of cords
Jun 04 23:43:32 <edude03> OMG~
Jun 04 23:43:49 <edude03> WebOS is written in a MVC javascript framework :|
Jun 04 23:43:50 <edude03> no way
Jun 04 23:45:28 <rwhitby> yes way
Jun 04 23:45:49 <oil> its not strict
Jun 04 23:45:59 <edude03> Now I wish I knew Javascript better
Jun 04 23:46:15 <oil> learn!
Jun 04 23:46:20 <rwhitby> never stopped me - just copy oil's code like I do
Jun 04 23:46:33 <edude03> I guess I should unpack my Pre+ stuff and use it :D
Jun 04 23:46:44 <edude03> SDK AWAY~
Jun 04 23:49:07 <edude03> Actually I have no idea where to start :|
Jun 04 23:49:19 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org
Jun 04 23:49:28 <edude03> Do I need a IDE or can I continue with my good buddy notepad
Jun 04 23:49:58 * rwhitby uses a plain old text editor and command line
Jun 04 23:50:19 <edude03> Now I need to learn how to use novaterm as well?
Jun 04 23:51:31 <rwhitby> Are you sure you've got the right attitude to start developing?
Jun 04 23:51:45 <edude03> Maybe
Jun 04 23:51:53 <edude03> Is there a checklist somewhere :P?
Jun 04 23:51:57 <rwhitby> You should be saying "Awesome, something new to learn!" rather than "Do I need to learn this?"
Jun 04 23:52:09 <edude03> Oh
Jun 04 23:52:19 <edude03> I mean to ask:
Jun 04 23:52:40 <edude03> AWESOME! But how do I get stuff onto the device after I type it up in Sublime Text (notepad)?
Jun 04 23:52:50 <edude03> Do I use novaterm?
Jun 04 23:52:54 <rwhitby> Have you gone through the tutorials on developer.palm.com and the official SDK ?
Jun 04 23:53:15 <rwhitby> in particular the page on command-line tools ...
Jun 04 23:53:32 <halfhalo> huzzah! found the charger for the laptop!  now to get the sdk stuff installed on it
Jun 04 23:53:51 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/building_your_first_app.html
Jun 04 23:54:34 <halfhalo> no, wait, wrong laptop
Jun 04 23:54:40 <edude03> Aww come on rwhitby I need _ALOT_ more hand holding than that. I think you're going to have to come here and write the code for me :)
Jun 04 23:54:49 <edude03> (I'm kidding
Jun 04 23:55:00 <edude03> I'll shut up and read the SDK docs for awhile)
Jun 04 23:55:07 <rwhitby> I told you before, I copy all my code from oil ...
Jun 04 23:55:18 <rwhitby> ;)
Jun 04 23:55:38 <dkirker> haha
Jun 04 23:55:48 <edude03> Oil can you write a hello world app for me so I can copy it and claim I did?
Jun 04 23:56:08 <rwhitby> we already did that: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=summary
Jun 04 23:56:23 <edude03> Yeah but that one says hello world
Jun 04 23:56:33 <edude03> Mine should says hello, I'm michael
Jun 04 23:56:35 <rwhitby> actually, it doesn't
Jun 04 23:56:57 <rwhitby> it says http://twitpic.com/56t6ce
Jun 04 23:57:15 <rwhitby> you can change your name by deed poll to suit
Jun 04 23:57:17 <edude03> hahaha
Jun 04 23:57:39 <dkirker> Awesome! "You say goodbye, but I saw hello"
Jun 04 23:57:45 <dkirker> got that stuck in my dad's head the other day
Jun 04 23:57:47 <halfhalo> to many services in that app
Jun 04 23:58:47 <rwhitby> halfhalo: I still have to get it to draw an OpenGL spinning hello ...
Jun 04 23:59:22 <edude03> You know your hello world app is hardcore when it uses node for something
Jun 04 23:59:28 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 04 23:59:57 <edude03> Though I must ask: Why is their node in webos again?
Jun 05 00:00:00 <edude03> *there
Jun 05 00:00:06 <rwhitby> again?
Jun 05 00:00:12 * halfhalo build a node service to node module thingie, thats pretty much his extent of playing with node on device
Jun 05 00:00:29 <halfhalo> node on server, different story
Jun 05 00:00:38 <edude03> again as is I'm assuming someone has answered that question already
Jun 05 00:00:41 <rwhitby> node services in webOS are awesome - they're so easy to patch
Jun 05 00:00:55 <edude03> halfhalo: Same I use node for server use only
Jun 05 00:01:23 <halfhalo> rwhitby: yup.  except for the one (or maybe two) on device node parts that are binary, not javascript
Jun 05 00:03:03 <rwhitby> although the hello app really shows the startup response lag for the first call to a node.js service
Jun 05 00:03:13 <halfhalo> but those are only for the spawning/forking part of it
Jun 05 00:03:27 <rwhitby> yeah, first call only
Jun 05 00:03:41 <rwhitby> (or subsequent call after the idle timeout)
Jun 05 00:04:19 <halfhalo> the way that node services are launched is wonky
Jun 05 00:05:51 <edude03> Do you guys use the emulator?
Jun 05 00:06:50 <halfhalo> I still have to find out why node is choking in the widk.  stupid pthreads.
Jun 05 00:20:09 <rwhitby> edude03: yep
Jun 05 00:21:08 * halfhalo uses a chisel and stone
Jun 05 00:21:32 <edude03> Wow a client just paid me for work done in feburary
Jun 05 00:56:41 <JenP> hi all!
Jun 05 00:56:49 <oil> hey jen
Jun 05 00:57:01 <JenP> hey oil how ya doin?
Jun 05 00:57:07 <oil> not bad
Jun 05 00:58:32 <oil> time to go get lunch :)
Jun 05 01:13:58 <DocLee> oi
Jun 05 01:14:04 <sugardave> hi JenP
Jun 05 01:14:14 <sugardave> hi DocLee, hi oil
Jun 05 01:14:19 <DocLee> Hey
Jun 05 01:14:23 <JenP> hi sugardave, DocLee
Jun 05 01:14:28 <DocLee> Hey Jen
Jun 05 01:15:13 <summatusmentis> is this the part where we all shake hands and call each other Doctor?
Jun 05 01:15:39 <halfhalo> oil, why are you getting lunch at 6pm.  I mean, wth
Jun 05 01:15:51 <JenP> brb
Jun 05 01:26:15 <oil> mmm
Jun 05 01:26:24 <halfhalo> no
Jun 05 01:46:03 <edude03> Damn jen left
Jun 05 01:46:13 <edude03> Hey DocLee
Jun 05 01:46:28 <DocLee> Hello
Jun 05 02:38:34 <DocLee> Jesus.  Anybody have maps working in Enyo?
Jun 05 02:38:49 <DocLee> Getting a constructor error
Jun 05 02:39:11 <DocLee> Don't know if it's a bug because Enyo is so poorly made or what
Jun 05 02:41:18 <cwayne1> DocLee: lol
Jun 05 02:41:46 <DocLee> I'm assuming it's a bug.
Jun 05 02:45:06 <DocLee> Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [Map]  That doesn't look like anything I can do anything about.
Jun 05 02:46:04 <edude03> DocLee: Don't know if it's a bug because Enyo is so poorly made or what << LOL
Jun 05 02:46:31 <DocLee> It's a true statement
Jun 05 02:54:05 <jaf0> doclee: ?
Jun 05 02:54:23 <jaf0> how to trace why the virtuallist "onSetupRow" isn't firing?
Jun 05 02:55:01 <DocLee> You're better off writing your own lists.
Jun 05 02:56:30 <jaf0> but it works in the example, but doesn't fire in my code. frustrating.
Jun 05 02:57:12 <DocLee> There's a reason I rewrote Lists.
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