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Jun 05 03:02:02 <DocLee> Yep.  Bug.
Jun 05 03:09:04 <dwc-> maps like a data structure, or maps like a location app
Jun 05 03:10:08 <DocLee> Location app
Jun 05 04:34:59 <{{{LOL}}}> hello
Jun 05 04:35:37 <{{{LOL}}}> is there anyone here who can help me with my new palm pre plus and getting some new tweaks?
Jun 05 04:36:30 <rwhitby> only if you change your nick
Jun 05 04:36:51 <{{{LOL}}}> really?
Jun 05 04:36:53 <{{{LOL}}}> ok
Jun 05 04:36:56 <{{{LOL}}}> one sec
Jun 05 04:36:56 <ka6sox-away> yes
Jun 05 04:37:07 <LOL> better?
Jun 05 04:37:11 <gkatsev> LOL
Jun 05 04:37:50 <rwhitby> not really, but go ahead anyway.
Jun 05 04:38:20 <LOL> i been reading that the palm pre plus new web os aint tweakable
Jun 05 04:38:31 <LOL> this true?
Jun 05 04:38:41 <rwhitby> you've been reading rubbish
Jun 05 04:39:02 <LOL> so am i in the right spot?
Jun 05 04:39:08 <LOL> im willing to learn
Jun 05 04:39:17 <rwhitby> depends what you mean by tweakable
Jun 05 04:39:30 <rwhitby> check the /topic of this channel and #webos-internals to make your decision
Jun 05 04:39:33 <LOL> i want new apps and stuff
Jun 05 04:39:37 <LOL> hold on
Jun 05 04:40:18 <LOL> can i get anything like preware to work on the palm pre plus?
Jun 05 04:40:55 <LOL> just got the phone and would love to know all i can about it
Jun 05 04:41:25 <LOL> i love it
Jun 05 04:41:31 <LOL> great phone
Jun 05 04:41:32 <dwc->  you could just use preware
Jun 05 04:41:51 <LOL> i have tried and wont work
Jun 05 04:41:56 <rwhitby> the best place to start is the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog
Jun 05 04:42:04 <rwhitby> it will tell you everything you need to know
Jun 05 04:42:46 <LOL> app cat in the phone has homebrew doc?
Jun 05 04:42:54 <rwhitby> correct
Jun 05 04:43:08 <rwhitby> it's the top-rated app in the app catalog in fact
Jun 05 04:43:08 <LOL> hmmm
Jun 05 04:43:27 <LOL> is it free?
Jun 05 04:43:47 <rwhitby> no, it's incredibly overpriced at $0.99
Jun 05 04:43:54 <LOL> *Laughs*
Jun 05 04:45:18 <LOL> thats not the point im learning and im not trying to have to pay for something if ai aint going to do what i need it to do.
Jun 05 04:45:20 <ka6sox-away> but worth $0.99
Jun 05 04:45:27 <LOL> ill pay dont get me wrong
Jun 05 04:45:30 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 05 04:45:42 <LOL> but
Jun 05 04:45:42 <halfhalo> theres a reason its #1 in the appcat
Jun 05 04:46:08 <LOL> your saying homebrew is a apploader app that will load these apps?
Jun 05 04:46:17 <rwhitby> the time you've spent here so far is probably worth more than $0.99 to you. it certainly is to me.
Jun 05 04:46:32 <LOL> i live on mirc
Jun 05 04:46:40 <LOL> i have several servers
Jun 05 04:46:45 <oil> well rwhitby does get that 99 cents :)
Jun 05 04:46:58 <halfhalo> suckup
Jun 05 04:46:59 <halfhalo> :p
Jun 05 04:47:11 <rwhitby> oil: no, only $0.70 - HP gets the rest.
Jun 05 04:47:13 <dwc-> 69 cents
Jun 05 04:47:42 <rwhitby> oil: gotta save up for that boat you keep saying that I have somehow
Jun 05 04:47:59 <oil> lol
Jun 05 04:48:22 <ka6sox-away> gonna be a while
Jun 05 04:48:29 <rwhitby> LOL: the app in question will, for example, tell you how to get an IRC client for your Pre Plus
Jun 05 04:48:48 <rwhitby> and if oil submitted it, that app would net him $5 ;)
Jun 05 04:49:20 * oil hsa to wait for puffy to fix the packaging before he can resubmit it
Jun 05 04:49:28 <halfhalo> excuses
Jun 05 04:49:37 * halfhalo wants to pay for wirc already
Jun 05 04:49:55 <ka6sox-away> me too...
Jun 05 04:50:09 <ka6sox-away> I want the real appcat version.
Jun 05 04:50:09 * rwhitby has to sell 7 copies of PHD to pay for wIRC
Jun 05 04:51:08 <oil> no, palm gets even more
Jun 05 04:53:17 <LOL> so all the tweaks and stuff aint free anymore? like the older versions of the palm. palm blocked the phone updates so they can get paid for the smart people who think the smart stuff up4
Jun 05 04:53:36 <ka6sox-away> not all.
Jun 05 04:53:42 <LOL> thats hp for ya
Jun 05 04:54:13 <ka6sox-away> there is still free stuff out there...its not blocked.
Jun 05 04:54:46 <rwhitby> LOL: I'm afraid you have no idea about what you speak of.
Jun 05 04:55:00 * halfhalo notes he has made enough in app sales to pay for phd and wirc, which is funny considering his app never made it to the app catalog
Jun 05 04:55:17 <rwhitby> LOL: seriously, read the information in the app I mentioned.
Jun 05 04:55:23 <LOL> ok
Jun 05 04:55:35 <LOL> i have some reading Be Right Back.
Jun 05 04:55:50 <ka6sox-home> nobody would pay for what I do...
Jun 05 04:56:53 <cwayne1> ka6sox-home:is it weird shit?
Jun 05 04:57:22 <ka6sox-home> I wouldn't consider it wierd...some would
Jun 05 04:57:25 <rwhitby> cwayne1: it's what keeps the preware feeds working for hundreds of thousands of folks daily
Jun 05 04:57:57 <cwayne1> rwhitby: HAHAHAHA OH WOW
Jun 05 04:58:41 <rwhitby> ok, time to take off the cans
Jun 05 04:58:57 * rwhitby is referring to http://bit.ly/veer-disassembly
Jun 05 04:59:05 <halfhalo> silly preware, eating up the bandwidths
Jun 05 04:59:50 <ka6sox-home> just the over 9MILLION icons served up daily
Jun 05 05:01:01 <halfhalo> psh, local caching, who needs that?
Jun 05 05:03:30 <halfhalo> I totally have a new app id.  Directv dvr remote.  Because apparently the latest update enabled ip control
Jun 05 05:04:16 <ka6sox-home> you just gave it away
Jun 05 05:04:55 <halfhalo> I never mentioned the fact that its on port 8080!
Jun 05 05:04:57 <halfhalo> oh, wait
Jun 05 05:05:15 <ka6sox-home> he he
Jun 05 05:05:24 <ka6sox-home> say goodnight Gracie...you are done.
Jun 05 05:06:04 <halfhalo> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/862/capturegm.png/
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Jun 05 05:19:17 * rwhitby notes that the $0.99 does not include support ;)
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Jun 05 05:32:42 <LOL> do i have to do the web os doc?
Jun 05 05:34:23 <LOL> my webos version is 1.4.5 and i cant get preware to load
Jun 05 05:34:45 <LOL> it shows it loading but once done no preware
Jun 05 05:37:07 <rwhitby> which steps of the procedure have you followed, and which have you skipped, and which have you not done correctly?
Jun 05 05:38:19 <LOL> omg i started this before i got doc from appcat
Jun 05 05:38:27 <LOL> yesterday
Jun 05 05:39:10 <LOL> i would have to say i hosed it
Jun 05 05:39:27 <LOL> phone still works though it aint that bad yet
Jun 05 05:39:50 <LOL> i think i need to start it all over.
Jun 05 05:40:10 <LOL> so the webos doc would be the right thing to do right?
Jun 05 05:40:57 <rwhitby> yes, that is the way to start afresh
Jun 05 05:42:16 <LOL> k
Jun 05 05:42:21 <LOL> one more question
Jun 05 05:42:37 <rwhitby> make it a good one, it might be your last ;)
Jun 05 05:42:42 <LOL> my default install of webos was 1.4.2
Jun 05 05:43:01 <LOL> now it 1.4.5 due to a update
Jun 05 05:43:20 <LOL> so what webos dco for att to i get? the default?
Jun 05 05:43:29 <LOL> doc for att'
Jun 05 05:43:36 <LOL> 1.4.2
Jun 05 05:44:25 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Jun 05 05:45:37 <LOL> ok do i get the one the phone came with of the updated cversion number
Jun 05 05:45:53 <rwhitby> I would suggest 1.4.5
Jun 05 05:45:56 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 05 05:45:57 <LOL> kk
Jun 05 05:46:10 <LOL> thanks man
Jun 05 05:58:58 <oil> oh its sugardav1
Jun 05 06:02:50 <halfhalo> Ruh roh!
Jun 05 06:32:05 <jaf0> is there a way to access a function in a child kind via the namespace?
Jun 05 06:39:47 <LOL> anyone here who can help me with the install of the webos doc?
Jun 05 06:40:13 <LOL> i downloaded it and now i have a bunch of files without a install file
Jun 05 06:40:21 <dwc-> www.palm.com/rom ?
Jun 05 06:40:42 <SineOt> uhhhh
Jun 05 06:40:47 <SineOt> the doctor is a .jar file
Jun 05 06:40:54 <SineOt> you need Java to run it
Jun 05 06:41:01 <SineOt> you uh… Obviously just unzipped it
Jun 05 06:41:17 <LOL> i have java installed
Jun 05 06:41:27 <dwc-> java -jar foo.jar
Jun 05 06:41:41 <Tommy> http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/165117_1241625738916_1777519529_433930_4606363_n.jpg
Jun 05 06:41:48 <Tommy> I ate a fork because that's how I roll.
Jun 05 06:42:16 <LOL> what file do i click on once its unzipped?
Jun 05 06:42:29 <dwc-> the original .jar file
Jun 05 06:42:36 <LOL> k
Jun 05 06:43:15 <SineOt> You don't unzip it
Jun 05 06:43:29 <dwc-> in windows, you should be able to double click on it
Jun 05 06:43:36 <summatusmentis> also OS X
Jun 05 06:43:39 <dwc-> or just java -jar foo.jar
Jun 05 06:43:43 <LOL> k
Jun 05 06:43:51 <Tommy> well, in OSX you multitouch click drag swoop a circle
Jun 05 06:43:58 <Tommy> because 2 buttons are too difficult to use
Jun 05 06:45:07 <SineOt> wat
Jun 05 06:45:19 <Tommy> it's more natural
Jun 05 06:45:23 <SineOt> Apple has shipped two button mice for the last like 6 years :I
Jun 05 06:45:27 * Tommy is making fun of macs
Jun 05 06:45:29 <SineOt> and on touch pads it's just a two finger tap
Jun 05 06:45:33 <Tommy> SineOt: not in their lappentoppen
Jun 05 06:45:41 <SineOt> it's a two finger tap!
Jun 05 06:45:43 <dwc-> two button mice? where?
Jun 05 06:45:47 <LOL> its a zipped file
Jun 05 06:46:06 <dwc-> scrollable clit mice, yes, touch-sensitive tops that have a tap on the right hand side, yes, but two buttons? I don't know of those ;)
Jun 05 06:46:08 <Tommy> apple's dumb
Jun 05 06:46:13 <Tommy> right clicking = win
Jun 05 06:46:27 <Tommy> lol clit mice
Jun 05 06:46:28 <SineOt> LOL: you're getting this from Palm's site? because uh, it's not a zip file. It's a jar
Jun 05 06:46:28 <LOL> open with java
Jun 05 06:46:35 <Tommy> too bad that's the only clit any mac user will touch :S
Jun 05 06:46:48 <SineOt> man come on, at least try :C
Jun 05 06:46:49 <dwc-> if only that were true
Jun 05 06:47:32 <dwc-> hey sineot, you might be amused to know your gender came up as a topic of discussion earlier
Jun 05 06:48:14 <Tommy> lol, anytime your gender is the topic of discussion, it's probably not good
Jun 05 06:48:20 <SineOt> oh, really? XD
Jun 05 06:48:23 <SineOt> what was the discussion on?
Jun 05 06:48:32 <dwc-> your gender!
Jun 05 06:48:52 <summatusmentis> for clarification, I've always assumed you were a guy, is that accurate?
Jun 05 06:48:54 <Tommy> "hmmm, i wonder if SineOt has a penis" is how it started
Jun 05 06:49:12 <SineOt> well rather! how did the discussion go! XD
Jun 05 06:49:19 <SineOt> and yes, summatusmentis, that's accurate
Jun 05 06:49:43 <Tommy> it's IRC, assuming penis is usually a safe bet
Jun 05 06:49:44 <summatusmentis> yes! nailed it
Jun 05 06:49:49 <Tommy> that's what she said
Jun 05 06:50:18 <dwc-> SineOt: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20110605.txt
Jun 05 06:50:57 <summatusmentis> Tommy: unfortunately, she said "see you in 2 months" instead
Jun 05 06:51:07 <summatusmentis> err... ignore that
Jun 05 06:51:23 <Tommy> lol...
Jun 05 06:51:34 <Tommy> SineOt: "wait, i thought SineOt was a chick?"
Jun 05 06:51:42 <Tommy> that's why he tried cybering with you x_x
Jun 05 06:52:24 <summatusmentis> sorry, not to be irritating, girlfriend left today for 2 months, and I'm drunk
Jun 05 06:52:53 <SineOt> pft, hardly annoying
Jun 05 06:52:55 <summatusmentis> so I'm telling everyone way more than they need to hear
Jun 05 06:52:55 <Tommy> lame
Jun 05 06:53:06 <Tommy> summatusmentis: it's all good mang, we've been there
Jun 05 06:53:19 <summatusmentis> heh
Jun 05 06:54:19 <summatusmentis> so, I saw this woman tonight cupping a phone in the palm of her hand, and got really excited because I thought it was the veer
Jun 05 06:54:30 <summatusmentis> turns out, just an iphone being held in landscape mode
Jun 05 06:54:35 <oil> lol
Jun 05 06:54:36 <Tommy> lamezorz
Jun 05 06:55:34 <summatusmentis> indeed
Jun 05 07:05:20 <LOL> k i got it to go now
Jun 05 07:05:34 <LOL> was a zip file though
Jun 05 07:05:55 <LOL> converted zip to jar and now it running
Jun 05 07:06:16 <dwc-> jar files are zip files
Jun 05 07:06:20 * Tommy punches rav0 in the jaw
Jun 05 07:06:27 <LOL> 82%
Jun 05 07:06:44 <LOL> done
Jun 05 07:06:44 <rav0> dude, ur gonna damage ur penis
Jun 05 07:06:55 <LOL> phones restarting
Jun 05 07:06:57 <LOL> ouch
Jun 05 07:07:12 <LOL> i cought mine in my zipper once
Jun 05 07:07:30 <rav0> ow
Jun 05 07:07:40 <LOL> 3 stitches
Jun 05 07:08:03 <LOL> i was 13
Jun 05 07:08:19 <LOL> did it in school too
Jun 05 07:08:41 <Tommy> LOL: ...
Jun 05 07:08:49 <Tommy> dude, wow.
Jun 05 07:08:51 <LOL> 1 daybefore summer vacation
Jun 05 07:09:06 <Tommy> oh my god it hurts just thinking about that
Jun 05 07:09:15 <Tommy> there's something about mary, but real life
Jun 05 07:09:43 <LOL> yea wasnt fun ill add
Jun 05 07:10:19 <Tommy> okay next topic
Jun 05 07:10:27 <Tommy> how bout them cards, and that webOS, and all of that junk
Jun 05 07:10:34 <Tommy> profile keyboards you can barely fit your thumbs on, HAWT
Jun 05 07:11:53 <LOL> *Laughs*
Jun 05 07:12:10 <LOL> palm profile almost restored
Jun 05 12:35:25 <haeffb> good morning #webos
Jun 05 12:40:24 <Loudergood> good morning
Jun 05 12:47:49 <loic_m> good afternoon ;)
Jun 05 12:48:54 <haeffb> going to get coffee. Anybody need anything while I'm up?
Jun 05 12:49:42 <loic_m> chocolate !
Jun 05 12:56:19 <loic_m> anyone know how to handle xmlhttprequest error about "Access-Control-Allow-Origin" while testing my apps with Chrome ?
Jun 05 12:57:34 <haeffb> --disable-web-security --allow-file-access-from-files --enable-file-cookies
Jun 05 12:57:50 <haeffb> add those command line switches
Jun 05 12:57:58 <loic_m> while launching chrome ?
Jun 05 12:58:02 <haeffb> yes
Jun 05 12:58:12 <loic_m> ah, ok ! testing it right now
Jun 05 12:59:54 <loic_m> far better, thanks a lot
Jun 05 13:00:38 <Spanska> haeffb: oh yes, I need your help for something!
Jun 05 13:00:42 <Spanska> if you don't mind ;)
Jun 05 13:02:09 <Spanska> haeffb: would you have an answer for this issue? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13228
Jun 05 13:32:17 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 05 13:33:16 <LoneStar99> anyone submitted an app lately?
Jun 05 13:49:39 <haeffb> back from coffee
Jun 05 13:52:13 <leiru> hm time for pizza
Jun 05 13:54:29 <borsuk> hi all
Jun 05 13:56:12 <borsuk> i am going to buy old palm pre on the auction, but propably there is a simlock for US mobile network and I won't use it with my simcard. Is it possible to use Palm Pre without sim? I mean connect to internet via wifi, run apps and install new apps?
Jun 05 13:57:42 <haeffb> Spanska: no idea.
Jun 05 14:02:07 <LoneStar99> borsuk: a sprint pre uses no sim card
Jun 05 14:03:25 <Loudergood> borsuk: yes you can, get an AT&T device if you want one that can possibly be unlocked and take a sim card
Jun 05 14:03:47 <Loudergood> if that's never going to be a possibility then any of them will do
Jun 05 14:04:13 <borsuk> ok, thx a lot
Jun 05 14:05:06 <borsuk> is there any one using airplay sdk for webos development?:)
Jun 05 15:00:11 * EnyoNuttyBunny grins
Jun 05 15:22:31 <PuffTheMagic> is there a way to change a widgets atrributes after is been created
Jun 05 15:22:36 <PuffTheMagic> similar to modelChanged
Jun 05 15:22:39 <PuffTheMagic> but for attributes
Jun 05 15:36:52 <haeffb> generally speaking, no
Jun 05 15:37:21 <haeffb> for the most part, attributes are immutable
Jun 05 16:41:16 <leiru> http://www.osnews.com/story/24823/Apple_Store_Hamburg_Gets_Trolled_IRL
Jun 05 16:41:18 <leiru> lol
Jun 05 17:00:14 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: Everything can be changed :D   Chrome is your friend
Jun 05 17:08:18 <PuffTheMagic> wow that is so helpful NuttyBunny
Jun 05 17:08:25 <PuffTheMagic> i did figure it out a whileago though
Jun 05 17:31:24 <NuttyBunny> oh, sorry, I needed that a couple of months ago, but I was reluctant to use Chrome until last week
Jun 05 17:33:02 <dwc-> 2011-06-05T17:22:09.901338Z [811] qemux86 user.err jailer[1561]: undefined device type!
Jun 05 17:33:14 <dwc-> anyone know how to fix that? (sdk 2.1 emulator)
Jun 05 17:43:54 <dwc-> (in reply to end of DATA command)
Jun 05 17:50:06 <dwc-> err, ignore that last line
Jun 05 20:00:51 <sugardave> halfhalo: hey, are you using Sumblime2 alpha or the regular one?
Jun 05 20:18:56 <halfhalo> alpha 2 sugardave
Jun 05 20:24:57 <bnceo> anyone here know how to get to Dev mode on the Veer?
Jun 05 20:25:03 <bnceo> Just got it and I don't have a SIM
Jun 05 20:25:10 <Tibfib_uk> ##devmode#
Jun 05 20:25:18 <Tibfib_uk> or #*devmode#
Jun 05 20:25:20 <Tibfib_uk> something like that
Jun 05 20:25:49 <bnceo> I am at the part where it's asking for a SIM Card
Jun 05 20:25:54 <Tibfib_uk> yeah
Jun 05 20:25:58 <Tibfib_uk> go to emergency call
Jun 05 20:26:45 <bnceo> hmm
Jun 05 20:26:54 <bnceo> doesn't give me a place to select that
Jun 05 20:27:05 <Tibfib_uk> in notification area
Jun 05 20:27:20 <bnceo> nothing
Jun 05 20:27:25 <Tibfib_uk> hmmm
Jun 05 20:27:31 <bnceo> all I'm seeing is a video of how to put in the sim card
Jun 05 20:28:37 <halfhalo> you need a sim to get to dialer
Jun 05 20:28:52 <halfhalo> doesn't need to actually work, just be a physical sim
Jun 05 20:28:58 <bnceo> hah
Jun 05 20:29:00 <bnceo> wow
Jun 05 20:32:13 <bnceo> so until I get a sim card on this thing, it's a paperweight
Jun 05 20:32:14 <Tibfib_uk> oh, didn't know that
Jun 05 20:32:24 <bnceo> I just drove 3 hours back home from NJ
Jun 05 20:32:24 <Tibfib_uk> you can use a program on the dev portal
Jun 05 20:32:35 <halfhalo> or metadoc
Jun 05 20:32:46 <Tibfib_uk> that too
Jun 05 20:36:34 <bnceo> hmm
Jun 05 20:36:43 <bnceo> ok. I'll make my way to an AT&T store tonight
Jun 05 20:38:03 <sugardave> halfhalo: cool, have you made any build scripts for palm-package/install/launch?
Jun 05 20:39:33 <sugardave> Tibfib_uk: STILL in the UK?  Man, nice vacation!
Jun 05 20:39:43 <Tibfib_uk> sugardave: yep!
Jun 05 20:39:47 <sugardave> cool
Jun 05 20:39:48 <Tibfib_uk> get back thursday
Jun 05 20:40:23 <sugardave> must...stop....procrastinating
Jun 05 20:40:30 <Tibfib_uk> how's the palm gig?
Jun 05 20:40:37 <sugardave> pretty sweet :D
Jun 05 20:40:46 <Tibfib_uk> have you been out there much?
Jun 05 20:41:04 <sugardave> I sitll don't feel that I've done a whole lot yet, but a couple of things here and there and I'm waiting on access to something before I can do much more
Jun 05 20:41:07 <sugardave> Tibfib_uk: I'm here now
Jun 05 20:41:16 <sugardave> going back to AUstin Tuesday night
Jun 05 20:41:22 <Tibfib_uk> ah nice
Jun 05 20:41:40 <Tibfib_uk> just training stuff? or do you think you'll be there often?
Jun 05 20:43:11 <sugardave> well, we had a mini-orientation on Tuesday, and then I'm supposed to go for the full one on Monday, but I will probably skip the first half (that's what we did Tuesday), then met most of the devrel team, the rest of the US SWAT team, got my laptop and my precious...it's still unclear how often I will need to come out here, but I imagine a few times a year
Jun 05 20:44:18 <Tibfib_uk> ta ta ta touchpad?
Jun 05 20:44:30 * sugardave whistles innocently.
Jun 05 20:44:31 <bnceo> :o
Jun 05 20:44:37 <Tibfib_uk> lame sauce
Jun 05 20:44:47 <bnceo> thinking he got a poster or something
Jun 05 20:44:52 <sugardave> awesome sauce
Jun 05 20:44:52 <bnceo> wonder what they did with all the old palm swag
Jun 05 20:44:56 <Tibfib_uk> haha probably
Jun 05 20:44:58 <bnceo> like mugs, pens, etc
Jun 05 20:45:00 <Tibfib_uk> sugardave: for you
Jun 05 20:45:04 <halfhalo> sugardave: nope, I generally do all dev on mac with textmate, so never made anything
Jun 05 20:45:19 <sugardave> halfhalo: ah okay, I might take a look at it someday
Jun 05 20:45:21 <Tibfib_uk> sugardave: if you need a good twitter app, let me know :)
Jun 05 20:45:29 <Tibfib_uk> or funkatron, but he's not here atm
Jun 05 20:45:53 <halfhalo> sugardave, when do you leave sunnyvale again?
Jun 05 20:46:00 <sugardave> halfhalo: Tuesday afternoon
Jun 05 20:46:11 <halfhalo> damn
Jun 05 20:47:27 <sugardave> halfhalo: why?
Jun 05 20:47:33 <sugardave> oh you're near here, aren't you?
Jun 05 20:47:45 <halfhalo> in LA
Jun 05 20:48:08 <sugardave> that's not near here
Jun 05 20:48:10 <sugardave> :D
Jun 05 20:48:55 <halfhalo> it is the way I drive
Jun 05 20:48:59 <bnceo> that's 3 hrs I think. haha
Jun 05 20:49:05 <bnceo> minimum
Jun 05 20:49:19 <halfhalo> more like 4:30
Jun 05 20:49:29 <halfhalo> buuut Ihave done it in 3
Jun 05 20:49:37 <sugardave> holy crap, that's like driving to my family's house from Austin
Jun 05 20:50:11 <sugardave> okay...really doing these expense reports now
Jun 05 20:50:12 <sugardave> ttyl
Jun 05 20:50:17 <Tibfib_uk> lies
Jun 05 21:00:24 <bnceo> gonna run to the Best Buy to borrow a SIM card from them
Jun 05 21:00:29 <bnceo> for a total of 2 min. lol
Jun 05 21:14:11 <sugardave> well, can't do the report when I have already forgotten my SAP password :/
Jun 05 21:14:53 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 05 21:14:58 <dawm> p3n1s123
Jun 05 21:15:12 <sugardave> I miss my TAM ESSO wallet *sniff*
Jun 05 21:15:15 <halfhalo> play with touchpad!
Jun 05 21:15:39 <sugardave> that's a great idea :D
Jun 05 21:16:06 <Tibfib_uk> if you had one, right??
Jun 05 21:16:13 <Tibfib_uk> sugardave: seeee PM
Jun 05 21:16:42 <sugardave> Tibfib_uk: got it :D  thanks
Jun 05 21:16:48 <halfhalo> lies
Jun 05 21:17:01 <halfhalo> LIES I TELL YOU
Jun 05 21:17:05 * Tibfib_uk sent it via the touchpad's awesome messaging connection
Jun 05 21:17:08 <Tibfib_uk> thing
Jun 05 21:17:36 <sugardave> haha
Jun 05 21:39:24 <sugardave> anybody have nice things to say about msysgit?
Jun 05 21:45:48 <dwc-> 3hrs LA to sunnyvale? somebody must have been gonig like 120 on 5
Jun 05 21:46:03 <ka6sox-home> 3hrs?
Jun 05 21:46:13 <dwc-> 13:49 < halfhalo> more like 4:30
Jun 05 21:46:13 <dwc-> 13:49 < halfhalo> buuut Ihave done it in 3
Jun 05 21:46:21 <ka6sox-home> oh HH...ya
Jun 05 21:46:31 <ka6sox-home> I've been in the car with him :D
Jun 05 21:47:04 <dwc-> to me, that trip is more like 5hrs to magic mountain... and then however long the traffic gods decree it shall take to go any further
Jun 05 21:47:17 * dwc- has a friend in stevenson ranch
Jun 05 21:47:46 <ka6sox-home> its 1.5hrs from my house to stevenson ranch
Jun 05 21:47:51 <ka6sox-home> on a good day
Jun 05 21:47:59 <ka6sox-home> with the wind behind my back.
Jun 05 21:50:15 <halfhalo> old road ftw
Jun 05 21:50:43 <ka6sox-home> taken that too...
Jun 05 21:50:47 <halfhalo> and ka6sox-home, I drive slow at night, esp when it rains.
Jun 05 21:51:04 <ka6sox-home> iirc it was a night like last that we were out.
Jun 05 21:51:23 <halfhalo> yeah
Jun 05 21:51:34 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: Hi!! Filepicker doesn't work in enyo :'(
Jun 05 21:55:37 <sugardave> bogus, did you check the forum and see if it's been mentioned?
Jun 05 21:56:19 <halfhalo> /me debates going outside right now.  It looks cold..
Jun 05 21:56:39 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 05 21:58:47 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: Yep, it's been mentioned... no solution at the moment but to rename the app to be in palm namespace :@
Jun 05 21:58:56 <sugardave> erg
Jun 05 22:02:02 <NuttyBunny> I was wondering if I could use the Mojo filepicker, but I'm lost at it :S
Jun 05 22:25:51 <rwhitby> halfhalo: you don't need a sim to do #*DEVMODE#
Jun 05 22:26:08 <sugardave> stupid windows....stupid msysgit...why tell me you can work but then fail because you don't actually have some binaries
Jun 05 22:26:23 <sugardave> how do people live with this stuff?!
Jun 05 22:26:26 <halfhalo> really? how do you get around the sim screen?
Jun 05 22:26:37 <rwhitby> Just Type
Jun 05 22:26:38 <sugardave> emergency phone call mode
Jun 05 22:26:49 <rwhitby> '#'        '*'      ....
Jun 05 22:26:56 <sugardave> yes, that
Jun 05 22:27:17 <rwhitby> not emergency phone call mode, that comes later
Jun 05 22:27:45 <rwhitby> if you're looking at the insert sim screen, you hit '#' then '*' on the keyboard, and wait 2 seconds.
Jun 05 22:27:46 <sugardave> oh, I meant when it says SOS only or whatever that is
Jun 05 22:27:55 <rwhitby> sugardave: yep, that's later
Jun 05 22:27:58 <sugardave> ah
Jun 05 22:28:04 <sugardave> cool, then :D
Jun 05 22:28:06 <halfhalo> never knew that
Jun 05 22:28:27 <rwhitby> works on any webOS 2.x device
Jun 05 22:28:34 <rwhitby> ## for CDMA of course
Jun 05 22:28:36 <sugardave> this is stupid :/
Jun 05 22:28:46 <sugardave> I guess I will use cygwin and real git
Jun 05 22:28:58 <stbuehler> virtualbox + real linux ? :)
Jun 05 22:29:12 <stbuehler> or real linux + windows in virtualbox?
Jun 05 22:29:18 <sugardave> yeah, I have that, too...but the emu runs faster in my host than in my guest
Jun 05 22:29:26 * halfhalo goes to try it
Jun 05 22:29:29 <stbuehler> hehe
Jun 05 22:34:25 <halfhalo> wow, thats really handy
Jun 05 22:37:47 <rwhitby> lots of folks don't realise that Palm made DEVMODE so easy in webOS 2.x - they should get major credit for that.
Jun 05 22:40:01 <bnceo> ok. very angry at best buy
Jun 05 22:40:05 <bnceo> Consumerist angry
Jun 05 22:40:41 <bnceo> firstly, they wouldn't let me use a SIM card there so I can get to dev mode (understandable). Then, they refuse to sell me a SIM card because they thought I would return it
Jun 05 22:40:54 <sugardave> bnceo, read back through the chat
Jun 05 22:40:58 <sugardave> you can do devmode without a sim
Jun 05 22:41:42 <bnceo> ok. reading it
Jun 05 22:41:47 <bnceo> booting up Veer now
Jun 05 22:42:12 <bnceo> ugh. Regardless, Best Buy really annoyed me today. They basically called me a crook.
Jun 05 22:44:52 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 05 22:45:06 <bnceo> ok. it's rebooting
Jun 05 22:45:08 <bnceo> thx sugardave
Jun 05 22:46:52 <sugardave> thank rwhitby :D
Jun 05 22:47:07 <bnceo> that too. I did on other channel
Jun 05 22:47:12 <sugardave> cool
Jun 05 22:47:14 <bnceo> and I will do so here: rwhitby rocks!
Jun 05 22:47:21 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 05 22:47:56 <bnceo> so, afterwards, I guess it's Impostah time?
Jun 05 22:48:27 <sugardave> looks that way
Jun 05 22:57:51 <sugardave> oil_pre: you guys have an Enyo Preware yet?
Jun 05 22:57:54 <sugardave> heh
Jun 05 22:58:05 <sugardave> that was supposed to be private, disregard everyone :P
Jun 05 22:58:08 <oil_pre> no
Jun 05 22:59:15 <bnceo> looks like sugardave wants to get the boot very fast =P
Jun 05 22:59:27 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 05 23:01:00 <sugardave> nothing to see here...
Jun 05 23:01:24 <NuttyBunny> I remember seeing a screenshot of Preware running fine at Pre3 resolution (still Mojo tho)
Jun 05 23:01:29 <halfhalo> not even puppies?
Jun 05 23:01:49 <sugardave> the puppies are gone :(
Jun 05 23:01:55 <sugardave> oh wiat, there they are!
Jun 05 23:03:13 <bnceo> question: so after I log into my palm profile (my backup), does it show up in accounts? or still going to be Dr. First Use?
Jun 05 23:04:17 <NuttyBunny> bnceo: It should just show your account
Jun 05 23:04:41 <NuttyBunny> unless you used devmode, then logon to your account and had both, then you'll get both again from your backup ;)
Jun 05 23:04:55 <bnceo> wait. sorry. I mean I created and logged into a new palm profile via Impostah
Jun 05 23:05:12 <NuttyBunny> I think you can delete the Dr. First Use one with Impostah
Jun 05 23:05:36 <bnceo> but in the accounts app, it doesn't have my new one
Jun 05 23:07:10 <NuttyBunny> (side comment: My phone says: "SIM Services: Revisar ADN", which literally could be translated to "SIM Services: Check DNA"... it may think I'm a mutant or something ;))
Jun 05 23:07:24 <NuttyBunny> gsm or cdma?
Jun 05 23:07:51 <bnceo> HP Veer
Jun 05 23:08:04 <NuttyBunny> the answer is gsm :P
Jun 05 23:08:19 <NuttyBunny> you did the activation scene thing?
Jun 05 23:08:50 <bnceo> I think it would be better to give you an order on how I did things
Jun 05 23:09:05 <bnceo> 1) Entered DevMode. Phone rebooted
Jun 05 23:09:11 <bnceo> 2) Installed Preware and Impostah
Jun 05 23:09:25 <bnceo> 3) In Impostah, I want to Activation to create a new Palm Profile
Jun 05 23:09:34 <bnceo> 4) I logged into said Profile
Jun 05 23:09:53 <bnceo> 5) Went to Accounts app. Still shows only Dr. Skipped First use as a Palm Profile
Jun 05 23:10:20 <NuttyBunny> mmm... yep, but you're already logged to your profile...
Jun 05 23:10:41 <NuttyBunny> I just looked at my Plus and it has exactly the same.. lemme see how to fix it
Jun 05 23:10:42 <NuttyBunny> :D
Jun 05 23:11:43 <Loudergood> run the gesture tutorial?
Jun 05 23:12:17 <NuttyBunny> could be... I deleted the Dr. Skipped account and now I don't have an account on the Accounts app :D
Jun 05 23:12:44 <bnceo> haha
Jun 05 23:12:48 <bnceo> so it can stay there
Jun 05 23:13:02 <bnceo> but I'll just never see the new Palm Profile I created in Accounts
Jun 05 23:13:49 <NuttyBunny> if you do a apps and data erase, you'll be able to login to your profile again
Jun 05 23:14:02 <NuttyBunny> and it will show the way it's intended (I hope)
Jun 05 23:14:04 * NuttyBunny tries
Jun 05 23:14:17 <bnceo> nah. Cause it will bring me to SimCard again
Jun 05 23:14:26 <bnceo> sorry, I am running this as a dev device
Jun 05 23:14:35 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok
Jun 05 23:15:04 <bnceo> no biggie
Jun 05 23:15:22 <NuttyBunny> grrrrr... don't you hate that you're trying to do things quicky and suddenly on a reboot the big low battery sign appears?? :'(
Jun 05 23:15:28 <NuttyBunny> charging...
Jun 05 23:15:31 <bnceo> haha
Jun 05 23:15:44 <bnceo> brb. tv with the gf for a bit
Jun 05 23:41:34 <rwhitby> bnceo: yeah, I need to add a feature to Impostah to create a new profile account, or rename the Dr Skipped Firstuse one
Jun 05 23:50:33 <NuttyBunny> So, there's currently no way to rename the account? :)
Jun 05 23:50:49 <sugardave> rwhitby: I have a feature request for Preware, can I pm you?
Jun 06 00:03:44 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: not in Impostah :)
Jun 06 00:06:02 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: I really need to make a webOS db8 editor  ;)
Jun 06 00:11:09 <NuttyBunny> aaaargh!! I'm stuck!!
Jun 06 00:11:37 <NuttyBunny> gonna grab some popcorn to put that damn hamster in my head to run
Jun 06 00:11:41 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: me too.
Jun 06 00:12:26 <haeffb> stuckity stuck stuck stuck
Jun 06 00:12:38 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: note that the db8 viewer in Impostah has a save and load feature.  Just need to get the load to work ...
Jun 06 00:14:33 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: interesting.. I might take a look... but first things first... gotta work on my TP killer app ... after all, I only have a few days :S
Jun 06 00:14:49 <rwhitby> oh, are you attending a workshop to get a TP ?
Jun 06 00:18:20 <bnceo> rwhitby: Gotcha. makes sense.
Jun 06 00:21:40 <halfhalo> NuttyBunny: you going to the dev event?
Jun 06 00:27:00 <Judas-C> so who allll got the new wirc
Jun 06 00:27:59 <oil_pre> nobody :(
Jun 06 00:28:21 <halfhalo> that makes it a collectible!
Jun 06 00:28:53 <rwhitby-pre> me
Jun 06 00:28:55 <Judas-C> I got it so :p
Jun 06 00:29:11 <sugardave> who would want that awful tripe?
Jun 06 00:29:22 <halfhalo> sugardave: highfive
Jun 06 00:29:22 <Judas-C> so who programed the new themes
Jun 06 00:30:07 <sugardave> halfhalo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xorsyst/3627681312/
Jun 06 00:31:16 <sugardave> haeffb: I'm purposely avoiding your post, just thought you'd like to know :P
Jun 06 00:31:54 <Judas-C> well who ever did the new themes. Kudos,
Jun 06 00:32:30 <haeffb> I assumed if you knew the answer, you're have already told me...that, or you just thought I needed a break for beer.
Jun 06 00:33:32 <sugardave> haeffb: one, or maybe both, of those things is true
Jun 06 00:34:06 <sugardave> I guess they don't do SAP password resets on the weekend :/
Jun 06 00:34:17 <halfhalo> sugardave: blame adora
Jun 06 00:36:30 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: dev event? no, I don't have money, and I don't have a dev event near... do I???
Jun 06 00:37:00 <halfhalo> road trip!  I'm going to the one on thursday.  shall be fun.
Jun 06 00:37:19 <NuttyBunny> I had an accident with the popcorn: http://twitpic.com/57lixr
Jun 06 00:37:39 <NuttyBunny> mmm... road trip... tempting, but driving for more than 24 hours is not that fun :)
Jun 06 00:37:56 * haeffb continues plugging away, ignoring the fact that it will never work on device. sigh.
Jun 06 00:38:07 <halfhalo> drive reallyreally fast, then its only 12 hours!
Jun 06 00:38:33 <NuttyBunny> and then I spend twice on gasoline ;)  hehehe
Jun 06 00:38:52 <NuttyBunny> anyways, the Ka won't go over 120mph
Jun 06 00:53:37 <bnceo> being away from home made me totally forget about the awesome Touchstone sale at Verizon
Jun 06 00:54:13 <bnceo> Just bought 3. Weeeeeee
Jun 06 00:55:07 <ryanwatkins> touchstone sale?
Jun 06 00:56:39 <ryanwatkins> wow, thx.  got two at the radioshack firesale a while back but one is flakey
Jun 06 01:00:16 <Loudergood> my flakey one turned out to be because of the power brick
Jun 06 01:00:21 <bnceo> yes, webosroundup
Jun 06 01:00:28 <bnceo> $5 each TS
Jun 06 01:00:36 <bnceo> $5 each wall charger
Jun 06 01:00:36 <Loudergood> $5? wow
Jun 06 01:00:46 <bnceo> bought 3 of each
Jun 06 01:00:59 <bnceo> one for each night table.
Jun 06 01:01:03 <bnceo> and one for the living room
Jun 06 01:01:08 <Loudergood> I've got one at home, one in the car and one at work
Jun 06 01:01:20 <bnceo> I got one in my office at home. and one at work
Jun 06 01:01:30 <bnceo> regardless, I will get new ones when they come out
Jun 06 01:03:06 <ryanwatkins> woot  3 ordered
Jun 06 01:04:30 <ryanwatkins> will try swapping the power connector on the one at work - thx.
Jun 06 01:07:55 <NuttyBunny> Popcorn overdose... now coffee :)
Jun 06 01:31:33 <dohtem> healthy eatin'
Jun 06 01:31:36 <dohtem> :)
Jun 06 01:49:59 <NuttyBunny> dohtem: Yep, it was a while since I had done it, and the best part, natural popcorn, few oil, and a little salt, not much more. They're almost pure air :)
Jun 06 01:50:50 <sugardave> you crazy Mexicans and your popped/roasted corn fetishes :P
Jun 06 01:55:31 <ka6sox-home> NuttyBunny, you ruined my dinner...one can not survive on popcorn con caffe
Jun 06 01:55:36 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: Oh, yeah, roasted corn, tomorrow I'll have some with my gf :D
Jun 06 01:56:19 <NuttyBunny> ka6sox-home: No, it's emergency energy, I have to finish this thing today, I don't know how much time I'll have tomorrow!
Jun 06 01:56:27 <sugardave> I've never had one of those roasted ears of corn...when there are to many of them being roasted, I kind of don't like the smell
Jun 06 01:56:36 * halfhalo made microwave popcorn today, close enough
Jun 06 01:56:36 <sugardave> s/to/too/
Jun 06 01:57:09 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: nah, not close enough ;)  you have to do it the natural way to taste the difference
Jun 06 01:57:16 <edude03> Hey I know some people here work at HP, who do I PM my feature requests for OS3 to :P?
Jun 06 01:57:30 <halfhalo> my way is done in 3 minutes
Jun 06 01:57:38 * halfhalo wins
Jun 06 01:57:50 <ka6sox-home> mine just finished....ahead of halfhalo
Jun 06 01:58:11 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 06 01:58:12 <sugardave> edude03: I think you're too late for anything to make it in...but hey, you never know
Jun 06 01:58:25 <edude03> It's a super small thing :D
Jun 06 01:58:38 <sugardave> sure
Jun 06 01:58:47 <sugardave> that's like "I didn't change ANYTHING, I swear!"
Jun 06 01:58:48 <halfhalo> thats what they all say
Jun 06 01:58:49 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: The other option is have them boiled, mayonnaise, grated cheese, chilli... that's great :D
Jun 06 01:59:04 <sugardave> NuttyBunny: hmm, that does sound pretty tasty
Jun 06 01:59:09 <edude03> Well, its a minor thing :P
Jun 06 01:59:12 <ryanwatkins> "doesnt repro for me"
Jun 06 01:59:13 <ka6sox-home> welcome to the
Jun 06 01:59:20 <ka6sox-home> Corn channel"
Jun 06 01:59:21 <edude03> What I'd really like to see, is the account menu come up at first launch
Jun 06 01:59:55 <edude03> For a new user (like myself) It's really nice to get your contacts IM and email going before you even see the home screen
Jun 06 01:59:57 <edude03> Like on android
Jun 06 02:00:26 <ryanwatkins> as opposed to other people that want to .. just do something until they need to add an account
Jun 06 02:00:36 <halfhalo> that may be minor programming wise, but not usability wise/etc
Jun 06 02:00:44 <sugardave> definitely not
Jun 06 02:00:45 <ryanwatkins> great first launch experience "hey, go figure out how to configure thigns mom".
Jun 06 02:01:11 <edude03> Well on android its a tonne easier because it only asks for your gmail password to setup everything
Jun 06 02:01:27 <halfhalo> palm profile
Jun 06 02:01:34 <edude03> But adding a skip button would mitigate issues for power users
Jun 06 02:01:42 <edude03> while making it easy to get going for first timers
Jun 06 02:01:44 <ryanwatkins> because you need to accept skynet to do anything with an android device.
Jun 06 02:01:52 <sugardave> heh
Jun 06 02:01:56 <edude03> Say what you say,
Jun 06 02:02:14 <edude03> But with one login I get access to Youtube email IM and now Music
Jun 06 02:02:23 <edude03> as well as any previously purchased apps
Jun 06 02:02:35 <halfhalo> just like... palm profile!
Jun 06 02:02:44 <ryanwatkins> ta da!
Jun 06 02:02:50 <edude03> Only if you already have a palm profile
Jun 06 02:02:54 <ryanwatkins> "Resolved Fixed!"
Jun 06 02:03:13 <edude03> And I'm not sure palm profile sets up syncs with your other accounts anyway
Jun 06 02:03:33 <halfhalo> once you add an account, it syncs
Jun 06 02:03:40 <ryanwatkins> ya, it actually does.
Jun 06 02:03:49 <ryanwatkins> you just need to re-enter your password for each again.
Jun 06 02:03:53 <halfhalo> IT SYNCS LIKE NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD
Jun 06 02:03:58 <edude03> Usability--;
Jun 06 02:04:02 <NuttyBunny> Synergy
Jun 06 02:04:12 <edude03> Re-entering over9000 passwords again :P
Jun 06 02:04:17 <edude03> But yeah I think its a good idea
Jun 06 02:04:17 <ryanwatkins> unlike say an android phone where I have to enter my Facebook login each time.
Jun 06 02:04:36 <edude03> When I first got my phone
Jun 06 02:04:40 <halfhalo> or android where I had to enter 5 gmail accounts every time
Jun 06 02:04:57 <edude03> I wanted to login to gtalk, I diidn't know there was a gtalk client built in
Jun 06 02:05:06 <sugardave> it's in the messaging app
Jun 06 02:05:11 <sugardave> to send messages
Jun 06 02:05:11 <edude03> until I found the accounts page an hour later
Jun 06 02:05:36 <ryanwatkins> if you world is all run thru a single @gmail.com account android is maybe good for you.  HP/Palm is a different world where it deals with several accounts that people usually have fairly well.
Jun 06 02:05:44 <edude03> If it has said "Hey wanna add an account now?" {list of supported accounts}
Jun 06 02:05:49 <edude03> That would have saved me ~58 minutes
Jun 06 02:06:01 <NuttyBunny> edude03: When my girlfriend got her android, she wanted to use the gtalk app, only to find out that Telcel removes it (blessed customization? cursed customization? you decide)
Jun 06 02:06:01 <edude03> And given a better first impression
Jun 06 02:06:09 <sugardave> from what I recall when I set up my Palm profile (2 years ago), I then added my gmail account to it...problem solved
Jun 06 02:06:13 <NuttyBunny> I prefer a OS that works consistently across all devices
Jun 06 02:06:17 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 06 02:06:34 <edude03> NuttyBunny: I agree WebOS makes android feel like shit
Jun 06 02:06:53 <edude03> But we have dual core processors and phones the size of a hummer
Jun 06 02:06:56 <sugardave> edude03: patch it
Jun 06 02:06:58 <edude03> Where is your god now?
Jun 06 02:07:19 <edude03> sugardave: Too late now, I have it set up
Jun 06 02:07:27 <edude03> I mean for first time users :)
Jun 06 02:07:32 <sugardave> so why do you need it changed?
Jun 06 02:07:36 <edude03> I don't
Jun 06 02:07:40 <sugardave> okay
Jun 06 02:07:50 <edude03> I'm saying it would be a nice addition for people who get their first WebOS device
Jun 06 02:08:00 <ryanwatkins> he thinks its better for everyone else, but thats a very debateable point.
Jun 06 02:08:07 <sugardave> I think it's unnecessary, myself
Jun 06 02:08:07 <ryanwatkins> *very*
Jun 06 02:08:19 <DocLee> I prefer Android
Jun 06 02:08:21 <edude03> Well look at it this way
Jun 06 02:08:24 * DocLee shrugs
Jun 06 02:08:37 <sugardave> DocLee: because you're a JSON hater, that's why
Jun 06 02:08:44 <edude03> Its more likely for someone to get their first webOS device that it is that someone to not have
Jun 06 02:08:44 <halfhalo> haters gonna hate
Jun 06 02:08:52 <edude03> any other sort of account
Jun 06 02:08:56 <edude03> So if anything
Jun 06 02:09:09 <DocLee> I'm a lack of wma, lack of things like track titles, lack of things like workable lists in the SDK hater.
Jun 06 02:09:09 <edude03> It should ask you to sign into google / linkedin /facebook
Jun 06 02:09:17 <edude03> way before it asks to sign in to your palm profile
Jun 06 02:09:20 <ryanwatkins> what if you open up your new webOS device and want to .. look sometjhing up on the map as you first thing?
Jun 06 02:09:26 <ryanwatkins> why should you be forced thru accnt setup?
Jun 06 02:09:27 <sugardave> edude03: that's where you're wrong
Jun 06 02:09:33 <halfhalo> or, god forbid, make a phone call?
Jun 06 02:09:33 <sugardave> palm profile needs to be first
Jun 06 02:09:39 <NuttyBunny> edude03: The Palm profile is the base of everything
Jun 06 02:09:47 <edude03> Since "mom" would be like "oh, hey I can import all my friends numbers from facebook right away!? thats cool"
Jun 06 02:10:44 <edude03> Not "Oh create a palm profile? Whats that? I just want to see something on facebook for a sec"
Jun 06 02:10:44 <edude03> ryanwatkins: skip button said that before :P
Jun 06 02:10:44 <edude03> and halfhalo skip button toop
Jun 06 02:10:48 <ryanwatkins> no, mom would be -- "why do i have to do this?  i want to make a call / look up someting on the map"
Jun 06 02:10:51 <edude03> I never said it should _force_ you to set up an account
Jun 06 02:10:53 <edude03> BUT
Jun 06 02:10:59 <ryanwatkins> pull real people off the street sometime and do real usability testing sometime -- you'd be suprised.
Jun 06 02:11:05 <edude03> It should ask you if you'd like to so you know the option is there
Jun 06 02:11:09 <NuttyBunny> edude03: webOS, the name says it all, it should be always connected, first you identify your phone, then you play with your accounts
Jun 06 02:11:11 <sugardave> I think I'm going to go with Palm's take on the user experience, in this case
Jun 06 02:11:25 <Doc_Lee> ryanwatkins, Ummm...I think the sales numbers have pretty much spoken to that point.
Jun 06 02:11:42 <ryanwatkins> ya?  you think usability is the reason they're losing?
Jun 06 02:11:45 <Doc_Lee> It's not like android is some huge unweildy operating system.
Jun 06 02:11:51 <halfhalo> what if a bear was about to maul you to death, and you needed to call for help, and that 3 seconds it takes to hit the skip button was long enough to allow the bear to catch you and eat you?
Jun 06 02:11:55 <edude03> NuttyBunny: you contradict yourself
Jun 06 02:11:58 <ryanwatkins> not maybe its .. um.. google, and free?
Jun 06 02:12:05 <sugardave> halfhalo: THEN YOU'D BE DEAD
Jun 06 02:12:08 <edude03> To me webos means it should be connected to all my web accounts :p
Jun 06 02:12:22 <halfhalo> sugardave: EXACTLY
Jun 06 02:12:22 <edude03> Palm profile has no data unless you've already owned a webos phone
Jun 06 02:12:34 <edude03> Whereas you facebook / linkedin / google will already have data
Jun 06 02:12:42 <edude03> s/you/your/g
Jun 06 02:12:45 <ryanwatkins> funny how .. free often outsells things that cost money.
Jun 06 02:12:56 <sugardave> edude03: and how do you suppose they link your thousands (9000, you say) accounts with Synergy...through the Palm profile, so it needs to be first
Jun 06 02:13:01 <halfhalo> ryanwatkins: microsoft begs to differ
Jun 06 02:13:15 <ryanwatkins> ya?  i used to work there.
Jun 06 02:13:20 <edude03> sugardave: maybe you could argue that
Jun 06 02:13:23 <Doc_Lee> ryanwatkins, does the end user care how much it costs a company to use/produce a piece of software?
Jun 06 02:13:33 <sugardave> edude03: no maybe about it, I am arguing that
Jun 06 02:13:41 <edude03> But I don't see why asking you to import some data from somewhere when you first get your phone is a bad idea
Jun 06 02:14:01 <sugardave> dude, when you add an account, that's when you import it
Jun 06 02:14:01 * halfhalo goes with sugardave on this arguement
Jun 06 02:14:05 <edude03> ESPECIALLY IF YOUR PALM PROFILE IS EMPTY
Jun 06 02:14:07 <ryanwatkins> maybe the people that make the actual phones care about if the OS costs them money or not?  maybe plays into if they use one OS or another?
Jun 06 02:14:09 <sugardave> this idea is not a foreign concept to people
Jun 06 02:14:13 <Doc_Lee> ryanwatkins, And in terms of hardware, I don't think you can get any cheaper in terms of cost than the Palm hardware.
Jun 06 02:14:15 <edude03> your phone should ask you to sign into something else
Jun 06 02:14:21 <ryanwatkins> and maybe what OS the device manufactures choose feeds into how many sell?
Jun 06 02:14:37 <edude03> Because if you just created your profile (first time user) your profile won't have any data
Jun 06 02:14:43 <edude03> Facebook / linkedin / google will
Jun 06 02:14:59 <edude03> And thus why there should be an "add account" screen in the first time setup routine
Jun 06 02:15:50 <sugardave> edude03: okay...say I make a new social website...in your world, if any new user comes to register there, before I let them do anything else, I make them go through and add all of their OTHER accounts from social web...instead of letting them do it when they feel it is necessary
Jun 06 02:16:18 <edude03> sugardave: thats a different case however
Jun 06 02:16:23 <sugardave> no
Jun 06 02:16:24 <sugardave> it isn't
Jun 06 02:16:36 <edude03> when you first sign up for facebook it asks if it can scan your email for contacts doesn't it?
Jun 06 02:16:38 <edude03> Same idea
Jun 06 02:16:52 <sugardave> do people really do that?
Jun 06 02:16:56 <sugardave> the horror
Jun 06 02:17:10 <halfhalo> my email scares me
Jun 06 02:17:13 <Doc_Lee> I'm pretty sure people do it for Linkedin
Jun 06 02:17:23 <edude03> Yeah linkedin does it to
Jun 06 02:17:27 <Doc_Lee> I get hit up at least a dozen times a week for it.
Jun 06 02:17:29 <edude03> *aswell
Jun 06 02:17:33 <sugardave> hehe
Jun 06 02:17:36 <edude03> kik instant messager does it
Jun 06 02:17:40 <edude03> etc etc
Jun 06 02:17:52 <edude03> and like I said, my idea would be optional
Jun 06 02:18:01 <edude03> I never said you'd have to do it before using the phone
Jun 06 02:18:02 <ryanwatkins> so .. uh its unlikely to get changed for 3.0. :)
Jun 06 02:18:24 <ryanwatkins> and possibly ever.  :)
Jun 06 02:18:30 <sugardave> yeah, I would put that idea at the chance of there being 5 inches of rain at my house before I get home on Tuesday night
Jun 06 02:18:46 * halfhalo gets a hose and a helicopter
Jun 06 02:18:59 <haeffb> my god, man.
Jun 06 02:19:13 <haeffb> as soon as you click the email icon, webOS asks you for your accounts.
Jun 06 02:19:17 <haeffb> or messaging
Jun 06 02:19:20 <haeffb> or calendar
Jun 06 02:19:31 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 06 02:19:37 <sugardave> NOT GOOD ENOUGH
Jun 06 02:19:40 <edude03> ^
Jun 06 02:19:47 <haeffb> why would you want to enter accounts if you're not using email, calendar or messaging?
Jun 06 02:19:55 <ryanwatkins> if however you had come in and said "the dropshadow on maps icon is in the wrong direction" that might have gotten fixed.
Jun 06 02:20:04 <edude03> I expect it to ask before I take of the screen protector
Jun 06 02:20:13 <edude03> :P
Jun 06 02:20:29 <haeffb> maybe it should come shipped with your accounts preloaded
Jun 06 02:20:35 <edude03> :O
Jun 06 02:20:40 <edude03> Why didn't I think of that?
Jun 06 02:20:56 <Doc_Lee> Speaking of maps...is there an onclick that actually works properly?
Jun 06 02:21:02 <sugardave> the TouchPad ESP....coming when you know it is
Jun 06 02:21:14 <haeffb> "properly?"
Jun 06 02:21:18 <Doc_Lee> Yeah
Jun 06 02:21:30 <Doc_Lee> Meaning able to get the coordinates.
Jun 06 02:21:53 <Doc_Lee> Seems like I can only get the coordinates of the center of the map
Jun 06 02:22:15 <sugardave> edude03: I could go for a checkbox (not selected by default) that offers you the chance to run the accounts app to do what you're talking about
Jun 06 02:22:16 <Doc_Lee> And have to use a button to do that.
Jun 06 02:22:34 <edude03> sugardave: that would be cool
Jun 06 02:23:15 <edude03> I hope the pre3 launches on AT&T somehow
Jun 06 02:23:18 <haeffb> like event.clientX, clientY
Jun 06 02:23:32 <Doc_Lee> Yes
Jun 06 02:23:43 <haeffb> oh, on a map...haven't done that
Jun 06 02:24:06 * haeffb reads the whole message
Jun 06 02:24:26 <haeffb> rwhitby would be proud
Jun 06 02:24:54 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 06 02:25:04 <sugardave> reading whole messages is so last century
Jun 06 02:25:49 * haeffb thinking about adding Prototype.js to my project so I can use AjaxRequest()
Jun 06 02:26:03 <Doc_Lee> haeffb, Do it.
Jun 06 02:26:04 <Doc_Lee> haeffb, I did
Jun 06 02:26:14 <haeffb> this other method blows
Jun 06 02:26:17 <ryanwatkins> dont do it.
Jun 06 02:26:18 <Doc_Lee> Yes
Jun 06 02:26:25 <Doc_Lee> Absolutely do it
Jun 06 02:27:16 * ryanwatkins ditched the Service method and went right to the xhr Post and Get.
Jun 06 02:27:27 <haeffb> that's another option
Jun 06 02:27:43 <haeffb> preferred?
Jun 06 02:27:50 <edude03> ohsnap
Jun 06 02:28:06 <edude03> is WebOS basically Webkit on Linux on a phone :/
Jun 06 02:28:12 * haeffb is somewhat familiar with AjaxRequest() and not so much with xhr
Jun 06 02:28:14 <sugardave> hahahahahaha
Jun 06 02:28:26 * sugardave points and laughs at edude03.  "n00b"
Jun 06 02:28:44 <edude03> Hey I'm on like day 4 of owning a WebOS device :P
Jun 06 02:28:52 <ryanwatkins> do not want to deal with what issues introducing prototype might cause to any framework you might just happen to be working with.
Jun 06 02:29:01 <sugardave> edude03: yes, that's exactly what it is :D
Jun 06 02:29:10 <edude03> day 2 if you count days the sim has been in the phone
Jun 06 02:29:17 <haeffb> ryanwatkins: good point
Jun 06 02:29:24 <NuttyBunny> edude03: In time you'll learn to love webOS, like all of us
Jun 06 02:29:32 <edude03> NuttyBunny: I already love it
Jun 06 02:29:45 <edude03> The Pre+ and its abysmal battery however ...
Jun 06 02:29:51 * haeffb goes to study xhr
Jun 06 02:30:31 <sugardave> haeffb: it's not much different than Ajax.Request (iirc) but you have to pound it with more methods and hand-hold it to make it do shit, if you're used to Prototype's wrapper
Jun 06 02:30:45 <sugardave> which I know you are
Jun 06 02:30:56 <Doc_Lee> ryanwatkins, Doesn't seem to cause any issues
Jun 06 02:32:28 <ryanwatkins> haeffb: you dont have to go down to the raw xmlhttprequest object, but i wanted to avoid issues with success/failure hander issues at higher level abstractions.
Jun 06 02:32:28 <Doc_Lee> sugardave has tested my app so he can attest to prototype working properly
Jun 06 02:32:41 <ryanwatkins> i'm sure in *some* cases its fine.
Jun 06 02:33:52 <Doc_Lee> Uhhh...I've got a pretty complex app going on here...
Jun 06 02:34:20 <ryanwatkins> good for you.
Jun 06 02:34:48 <sugardave> Doc_Lee's app is working fine...however there's no guarantee future updates to our framework won't introduce problems, but that can always be hacked around
Jun 06 02:35:11 <edude03> I get offended when people say good for you for some reason :/
Jun 06 02:35:15 <ryanwatkins> i have 5600 lines of JS I really dont want to be fighting with prototype as I saw some others have to .
Jun 06 02:37:27 <sugardave> I think Ajax.Request is the thing I will miss most without Prototype...I mean I like .each() and some of the easy sort/find things, but I can do without them
Jun 06 02:37:34 <ryanwatkins> would rather wonder why my drag handlers are eating events and not feeding them to the scroller too :/
Jun 06 02:38:32 * sugardave does the FeedReader tutorial.  Again.
Jun 06 02:39:10 <Doc_Lee> Comcast is horrible tonight
Jun 06 02:41:46 <edude03> take away the tonight and I'll agree Doc_Lee
Jun 06 02:43:43 <sugardave> that was interesting
Jun 06 02:44:26 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: did you get my question? or you escaped just in time?
Jun 06 02:45:48 <sugardave> I think I missed it
Jun 06 02:48:38 <sugardave> is this thing on?
Jun 06 02:48:44 <halfhalo> no
Jun 06 02:48:49 * halfhalo throws tomatos
Jun 06 02:48:55 <sugardave> good, I hate helping people
Jun 06 02:50:04 * NuttyBunny tries to crash sugardave's connection again with the same question ;)
Jun 06 02:50:12 <sugardave> heh
Jun 06 02:50:23 * halfhalo roots for NuttyBunny 
Jun 06 02:51:59 <sugardave> failed
Jun 06 02:52:08 * halfhalo gets the axe
Jun 06 02:52:17 <sugardave> only shitty hotel wifi can keep my away
Jun 06 02:52:23 <sugardave> s/my/me/
Jun 06 02:52:35 <halfhalo> or an axe through the hotels internet
Jun 06 02:52:35 <LoneStar99> good evening lads
Jun 06 02:53:34 <sugardave> hi LoneStar99
Jun 06 02:54:44 <LoneStar99> what up sugardave
Jun 06 02:57:38 <sugardave> the usual, how about you?
Jun 06 02:59:51 <sugardave> hi hij1nx
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