**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 06 02:59:57 2011 Jun 06 03:00:06 sugardave: hi Jun 06 03:00:12 Tim, right? Jun 06 03:00:28 I think I was eavesdropping on you and Brian LeRoux on the bus to the bowling alley at DevDay Jun 06 03:00:32 sugardave: no. i think you're looking for creationix Jun 06 03:00:43 ah Jun 06 03:00:46 that's right Jun 06 03:00:48 sorry :D Jun 06 03:01:08 np! =) Jun 06 03:01:39 there's another reason your name is familiar though....just can't remember it. Some awesome github project or something Jun 06 03:02:39 sugardave: im co-founder of nodejitsu, maybe thats it? Jun 06 03:02:50 yes, that's it :D Jun 06 03:03:08 sugardave: http://www.github.com/hitj1nx Jun 06 03:03:14 I'm about to integrate some Node.js stuff into this app. Jun 06 03:03:22 Haven't a clue about it though. Jun 06 03:03:26 oops http://www.github.com/hij1nx Jun 06 03:03:27 good man Doc_Lee Jun 06 03:04:04 Got a node file/script whatever you want to call it Jun 06 03:04:10 Need to integrate it Jun 06 03:04:16 hij1nx: weld, that's the one Jun 06 03:04:18 Doc_Lee: we open source a ton of useful nodejs projects (https://github.com/nodejitsu) Jun 06 03:04:24 hah, thats not easy Jun 06 03:04:31 Doc_Lee: might be helpful for you Jun 06 03:04:33 hij1nx, It's the integration part Jun 06 03:04:39 stupid on device node integration is not nodey at all in practice Jun 06 03:04:42 Doc_Lee: ah =) Jun 06 03:05:21 I know I'm supposed to call it as a palmservice Jun 06 03:05:41 And...yeah... Jun 06 03:05:50 * NuttyBunny hops around... It Works! :D hehehe Jun 06 03:06:18 sugardave: we hang out in #nodejitsu irc room, lots of nodejs stuff in there Jun 06 03:16:15 There are three ways to create files in /media/internal: Jun 06 03:16:15 1) Use Download Manager service to download the file from an external server Jun 06 03:16:15 2) Use a bundled node.js service to write the file Jun 06 03:16:15 3) Use a PDK hybrid to write the file ... *sigh* Jun 06 03:25:22 * sugardave votes for node.js. Jun 06 03:28:32 I think it'll be 1 and 2 for my app, 2 for the free version, limited to a number of bundled files, and 2 + 1 for the paid version, to have the bundled and extras... argh Jun 06 03:28:53 I have to create the service anyway Jun 06 03:30:37 Really? is this as easy as: copy('http://www.othersite.com/images/'.$size.'/'.$img.'.jpg', './images/'.$size.'/'.$img.'.jpg'); ??? Jun 06 03:30:52 ah, no, nevermind... php Jun 06 04:01:17 anyone know if virtualbox has a screen capture option? Jun 06 04:09:26 stupid hotel wifi...will they ever get this shit right? Jun 06 04:15:58 no Jun 06 04:22:34 that is correct Jun 06 04:22:39 you win nothing Jun 06 04:22:51 awww Jun 06 04:23:01 * halfhalo wants a refund! Jun 06 04:23:32 here, I'll return your entry fee: Jun 06 04:23:57 AND validate my parking, thankyouverymuch Jun 06 04:28:38 been in alot of hotels lately and most 80% of time WIFI sucks Jun 06 04:28:56 slow as shit etc... Jun 06 04:29:35 4g hotspot FTW Jun 06 04:30:19 there is no 4G spoon Jun 06 04:32:06 not according to att! Jun 06 04:36:24 morning Jun 06 04:36:33 moo Jun 06 04:38:52 What.... what the hell is this... a lenovo commercial on tv.... Jun 06 04:49:39 AresDebug against the emulator. woot! Jun 06 04:50:11 I hear it's awesome...never once used it :D Jun 06 04:52:12 not used it much but trying to figure out event x/y values in some scroller stuff that works in webOS but not Chrome. coming in handy Jun 06 04:53:35 yeah, and I hear it has breakpoints, so that's handy, too Jun 06 04:54:04 ya, i realized it was running still when i left a stray 'debugger' in my build. debugger halted. :) Jun 06 04:54:13 heh Jun 06 05:00:53 for all the sophistication of virtualbox, it aint got a screen capture, like driving a benz with hubcaps... Jun 06 05:02:40 command-shift-4 Jun 06 05:03:12 control-shift-4 for Windoze users? Jun 06 05:03:20 nope Jun 06 05:03:36 OSX. Windows 7 use the "Snipping Tool". Jun 06 05:04:11 snipping tool... let me check that out Jun 06 05:04:56 Windows Key -> "Snipping Tool" -> Launch - select - save. Jun 06 05:07:46 yeah, the problem is kinda NDA but anyways can't fit NDA without virutalbox fullscreen therefore not allowing me to use any tools or commands other than what is available with virtualbox Jun 06 05:08:53 or unfocus it, ctrl-alt-printscreen Jun 06 05:08:55 time for a second monitor Jun 06 05:09:00 paste into program of choice Jun 06 05:09:22 oh fullscreen Jun 06 05:09:24 nevermind Jun 06 05:10:56 * ryanwatkins cant really be productive w/o a second monitor and external keyboard. Jun 06 05:11:05 sugardave: yeah virtualbox fullscreen ... got a fix, but it is ghetto and do not want to talk about it Jun 06 05:11:47 lol Jun 06 05:11:57 very ghetto Jun 06 05:12:29 writing your 3.0 app on you pre- I bet. Jun 06 05:13:38 ryanwatkins: lol no, but i actually accidentally sent a 3.0 app to my phone the app is only about 25% visible Jun 06 05:13:52 ha Jun 06 07:56:55 how do you know when to flex: and when not to flex: ? Jun 06 07:59:49 biceps? Jun 06 07:59:53 always flex! Jun 06 12:13:54 afternoon Jun 06 12:25:42 Hey swiss Jun 06 12:26:35 yet another day without a pre^3...dayum Jun 06 14:30:39 morning folks Jun 06 14:35:40 mornin Jun 06 14:52:15 good morning Jun 06 14:52:46 has sugardave fixed my problem yet? Jun 06 14:55:22 that's a negative, ghost rider Jun 06 15:27:17 When the hell is webos going to get touch events and shadows? Jun 06 15:27:31 For a 'webos' they're seriously behind Jun 06 15:28:00 And bring us typed arrays, and data manipulation Jun 06 15:28:17 webos needs to be defining html5, not trailing behind. Jun 06 15:35:38 matbee: what's a typed array, and why isn't the javascript array good? Jun 06 15:35:58 Did you google this first? Jun 06 15:35:59 :P Jun 06 15:36:04 no :D Jun 06 15:36:55 wasn't js loosely typed? (as always, talking with no absolute background of what's been talked here) ;) Jun 06 15:37:19 it's nice like that Jun 06 15:37:42 until you want to add 2 numbers and find out that they're been concatenated as strings ;) Jun 06 15:37:49 being Jun 06 15:37:57 meh Jun 06 15:38:09 that almost never happens Jun 06 15:38:12 lol Jun 06 15:38:22 result=number*1+othernumber*1; Jun 06 15:38:25 ;) Jun 06 15:38:41 or parseInt Jun 06 15:39:04 parseInt(x,10) ftw Jun 06 15:39:23 I just make sure I'm dealing with the right types :P Jun 06 15:41:08 * halfhalo notes this laptop has been asleep for about 3 weeks... herm... Jun 06 15:41:11 typed arrays sound useful Jun 06 15:41:17 lol Jun 06 15:41:22 * haeffb_pre did google Jun 06 15:41:29 fine Jun 06 15:41:52 for manipulating binary data Jun 06 15:42:14 just have a string made up of 0's and 1's Jun 06 15:42:27 you could always make your own array and enforce types in it Jun 06 15:42:49 s/array/array "class" or whatchamajig/ Jun 06 15:44:22 Uploaded the log from the problem I was having with the messaging plugin NuttyBunny :) Jun 06 15:44:28 As in, it's on the thread Jun 06 15:46:04 nutty took over those messaging plugins Jun 06 15:46:24 yes...that why I just told him :P Jun 06 15:46:28 you nutty people Jun 06 15:46:53 that's* even Jun 06 15:47:00 and bunny people Jun 06 15:47:07 Nutty's cranking up a quick 3.0 app for TP launch, then will come the plugins Jun 06 15:48:50 lies, damn lies and statistics Jun 06 15:49:48 * oil_pre is intersted in nutys app... Jun 06 15:51:49 * sugardave read "oil_pre is inserted in..." Jun 06 15:52:05 lol Jun 06 15:54:00 both actually haha Jun 06 15:54:33 * halfhalo is bored at work playing with a knife waiting for access to a testing server Jun 06 15:55:41 Boopop: I can't find the thread :D Jun 06 15:56:00 halfhalo: Bishop mode? (Aliens) Jun 06 15:56:29 * halfhalo never saw that movie... At least he can't remember seeing it Jun 06 15:56:38 * oil_pre beats halfhalo, bored at jury duty Jun 06 15:57:00 still? gah, you suck at getting out of jury duty Jun 06 15:57:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suA2Hy-0mxI Jun 06 15:57:39 I'm on a jury now Jun 06 15:57:45 hey chuqui! Jun 06 15:57:52 hey! Jun 06 15:57:59 bah, screw that knife crap. That would take off all my fingers Jun 06 15:58:00 * haeffb_pre would like to submit a touchpad app, but webOS is broken Jun 06 15:58:15 oops Jun 06 15:58:39 Boopop: nevermind, I got confused... *goes to the messaging thread* Jun 06 15:58:57 ah, yes, that wasn't what I needed ;) Jun 06 15:59:05 *posting* Jun 06 15:59:26 you needed the files NuttyBunny ? Jun 06 15:59:36 It's just it has all my email addresses on it :P Jun 06 15:59:42 and sugardave refuses to fix it Jun 06 15:59:42 ok xD Jun 06 16:00:34 yes, sugardave won't fix the emulator filePicker :P Jun 06 16:00:34 foe foe foe Jun 06 16:00:49 there's all kinds of shit I ain't fixin' :P Jun 06 16:01:06 look, a wild sugardave appeared! Jun 06 16:01:31 *poof* Jun 06 16:01:35 halfhalo, I choose you!! Jun 06 16:02:23 * halfhalo pulls out knife "TO THE DEATH" Jun 06 16:03:30 webos fikepicker is suck Jun 06 16:03:36 * oil_pre filepicker is win Jun 06 16:03:51 halfhalo: Pokemon don't use physical ;) weapons Jun 06 16:04:03 oil_pre: enyo? :) Jun 06 16:04:10 this ain't your kids pokemon Jun 06 16:04:17 no Jun 06 16:04:24 MANLY POKEMON Jun 06 16:04:25 * oil_pre still lives in mojo Jun 06 16:04:28 halfhalo: good, I don't have kids Jun 06 16:05:08 oil_pre: the mojo file picker does work on the emu, the enyo doesn't :@ Jun 06 16:05:26 replace it! Jun 06 16:06:57 no time, I need a real TP... besides, stupid emu does funky things with webkit rotation :S Jun 06 16:07:30 psh Jun 06 16:07:33 man i installed 2011 theme how do you uninstall it? Jun 06 16:08:22 uh oh Jun 06 16:08:37 haeffb_pre: check your thread Jun 06 16:08:38 i try to install any other and says cant creat files Jun 06 16:09:10 what's a theme? Jun 06 16:09:19 not listed in preware installed packages list? Jun 06 16:09:25 * NuttyBunny doesn't install themes.. at all ;) Jun 06 16:09:39 no Jun 06 16:09:42 most who know dont Jun 06 16:10:00 * halfhalo installed one theme ages ago, and never since then Jun 06 16:10:14 *Laughs* Jun 06 16:10:19 ill get it Jun 06 16:12:11 I think I'm going to get my wife to make me a TouchPad sleeve that matches my Pre - one Jun 06 16:12:27 do you have pics? Jun 06 16:12:34 how does she make them? Jun 06 16:12:43 she hasn't done it yet :D Jun 06 16:12:50 guy in jury pool with me is super paranoid about tech Jun 06 16:12:59 sugardave: what about pre-? Jun 06 16:13:04 I wonder if I can cajole the dude at the Palm store into giving me a bunch of the old sleeves Jun 06 16:13:08 summatusmentis: it came with it Jun 06 16:13:15 sugardave: oooh, I see Jun 06 16:13:16 sorry Jun 06 16:13:17 the little black and orange leather pouch Jun 06 16:13:30 says the government can watch me through tv without camera Jun 06 16:13:33 oil_pre: tech in general? or as it pertains to the case? Jun 06 16:13:42 well, that's because they can :-P Jun 06 16:13:44 just in general Jun 06 16:13:58 sugardave: right, I thought you meant she had made one for your pre-, and you wanted something similar for a TouchPad Jun 06 16:14:07 says of my phone is off they can record me with the camera Jun 06 16:14:21 I've given up trying to explain tech to him Jun 06 16:14:38 LOL Jun 06 16:16:57 * sugardave dances naked in front of his TV to make them stop watching him. Jun 06 16:18:39 lol Jun 06 16:18:48 crazy old man Jun 06 16:19:45 I'm going to have to take apart my pre to show him there is no camera watching Jun 06 16:20:36 you should just point it at him all day Jun 06 16:21:43 its not the tech you can see that he should worry Jun 06 16:22:01 sugardave: not much help Jun 06 16:22:13 its a well know fact that the goverment have been installing transmitters in babys brains since 1968 Jun 06 16:22:30 but it explains (maybe) why it's working in Chrome...which goes back to my earlier diagnosis: developer problem ;) Jun 06 16:22:39 not the naked dancing part, the thread part Jun 06 16:23:19 how can I screw up auth token & email.... ? Jun 06 16:23:29 for the naked dancing, it's hard to say if it helps or not...they don't give us any feedback when they're watching Jun 06 16:23:33 well, many ways I'm sure Jun 06 16:23:47 but in this case... Jun 06 16:24:13 I THINK it's smart enough to turn your parms object into a string all by itself...try without converting it to string first? Jun 06 16:24:36 still - it worked in Prototype and/or on 1.x and 2.x Jun 06 16:24:44 they changed shit Jun 06 16:24:54 I have tried that...no go Jun 06 16:25:00 bogus Jun 06 16:25:20 and why would GET still work... Jun 06 16:27:19 you are asking questions which are too hard, so have a puppy Jun 06 16:27:21 and one POST but not the others Jun 06 16:27:40 ooooh! a puppy! Jun 06 16:28:27 hmmmm....the POST that works goes to /api and the other tow go to /api2 Jun 06 16:28:39 but still, GET works Jun 06 16:28:39 I had "mini-orientation" last Tuesday where we got benefits summaries, got badges, etc. And the lady told us that for today (real new hire orientation day) we could skip the first hour. So I'm sitting here, and I get an urgent email "We noticed you havem't checked in for orientation!!" Jun 06 16:28:45 :/ Jun 06 16:29:02 it's a trap!!! Jun 06 16:29:29 so Ima smoke, then head in for 2 hours of grueling n00biness Jun 06 16:32:34 RichT23: lucky for me that I was born in 1965. Jun 06 16:32:46 or so they told me.... :( Jun 06 16:41:11 I'm starting to embrace the hp logo idea... it may be because I've seen it so many times that I no longer care about it being in place of the palm one :S Jun 06 16:45:30 I'm still used to the old hp logo Jun 06 16:46:14 ah, another happy messaging plugin camper ;) Jun 06 16:48:29 dwc-: I mean, the palm logo vs the hp logo on the devices Jun 06 16:50:23 ok, now, how do I emulate 2 finger gestures on the emu? anyone? Jun 06 16:51:25 depends on your locale - the US one middle finger is automatically translated to the UK two finger if locale set. Jun 06 16:51:52 and the reverse Jun 06 16:52:50 LOL Jun 06 17:01:52 hah, ghost recon with kinect just killed wii shooters Jun 06 17:12:30 halfhalo: just as the new notification system in iOS just killed webOS? :P Jun 06 17:13:30 You gotta love the way apple does things: just a week before the TouchPad gets released, they update their OS to match ours, and guess what? I can bet it will be available today for all devices :P Jun 06 17:13:32 new notification ? Jun 06 17:14:08 http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/06/apple-ios-5-bbm-notifications-widgets-lock-screen/ Jun 06 17:14:25 lol Jun 06 17:14:42 the advantage is getting smaller and smaller Jun 06 17:15:56 howdy hotdp Jun 06 17:16:16 yep, and nobody cares that it took them 2 years Jun 06 17:18:00 depends on whether webOS frittered away their head start Jun 06 17:19:20 great... keep installing your app in your device instead of the emu... GRRRR Jun 06 17:19:25 hi LoneStar99 Jun 06 17:22:08 what up Jun 06 17:23:07 to much :s Jun 06 17:24:37 "I have a popup in side a popup." Stop right there, you already have a problem. Jun 06 17:25:50 POPUPCEPTION Jun 06 17:26:01 your problem is poor UX, not which one should be opened or closed. Jun 06 17:26:20 kinect is EVERYWHERE Jun 06 17:31:43 kinect disneyland Jun 06 17:32:31 IT WILL SELL MILLIONS Jun 06 17:35:14 debugging code i screwed up about a month ago =( Jun 06 17:37:33 ha, there are little birds in the message for the new apple mail client ... kinda like a ... sparrow. Jun 06 17:49:05 how about a pigeon Jun 06 17:49:52 or a duck? Jun 06 17:49:59 lame duck? Jun 06 17:50:03 s Jun 06 17:51:05 omg Jun 06 17:51:13 the ios notification :S Jun 06 17:51:36 * haeffb_pre would like newsstand Jun 06 17:52:17 stupid unity... :@ Jun 06 17:52:40 finally non-sucky Jun 06 17:53:48 NuttyBunny: hey now Jun 06 17:53:49 apple version of synergy - we'll put twitter photos in for your contacts. Jun 06 17:54:15 lol saw that Jun 06 17:58:04 oh man, apple's Reader stuff is really cool Jun 06 17:58:59 I want that on webOS Jun 06 17:59:51 doesnt sync actual page content tho, does it? Jun 06 18:00:39 sync bookmarkrs and reading position, but fairly useless on .. say a subway. Jun 06 18:00:40 It looks to me like a read it later type deal Jun 06 18:00:48 maybe I read it wrong Jun 06 18:00:56 twbbas: I want it too Jun 06 18:01:06 Instapaper - better. Jun 06 18:01:47 I wish there were something that'd let me sync it to my kindle though Jun 06 18:01:54 Lock screen shortcut to camera. Smart. Jun 06 18:01:55 instapaper Jun 06 18:03:00 http://www.instapaper.com/extras -> kindle automatic wireless delivery Jun 06 18:05:50 ryanwatkins: my kindle doesn't have wifi, so I'd have to pay for it Jun 06 18:06:01 ah Jun 06 18:06:31 Kindle DX Jun 06 18:14:04 why aren't there cross-platform BBM-esque solutions? Jun 06 18:27:05 summatusmentis, actually -- google talk is almost bbm Jun 06 18:27:17 gonna have to bring a multimeter to show that guy my phone isn't drawing power to secretly record me when its off Jun 06 18:27:18 I thought it was IM? Jun 06 18:27:20 however ive never seen a full implementation of gtalk Jun 06 18:27:41 yes, bbm is IM Jun 06 18:27:56 well, it's push-IM Jun 06 18:28:01 no it isnt Jun 06 18:28:06 it isn't? Jun 06 18:28:07 blackberry bes is push Jun 06 18:28:16 oooh Jun 06 18:28:49 right, ok Jun 06 18:29:26 so in theory, the IM stuff on webos ought to act like gtalk, or iMessages Jun 06 18:29:42 i use google talk as my main IM, and all of my friends use it Jun 06 18:30:08 and its cross platform Jun 06 18:30:09 I do too, generally Jun 06 18:30:22 so is gtalk push? Jun 06 18:30:23 but gtalk does support groups Jun 06 18:30:52 it uses XMPP and it does a type of thing like Jun 06 18:30:54 'push' Jun 06 18:31:01 the same as apple's imessage will work Jun 06 18:31:41 blackberry's are the only device with true push Jun 06 18:32:11 iCloud = webOS? Jun 06 18:32:51 I never talk to anyone on google... every one I know has Yahoo IM Jun 06 18:33:06 Completely opposite for me, RagingMind Jun 06 18:33:42 though they are all slowly starting to only use facebook and neglect to log onto yahoo Jun 06 18:34:03 twbbas: iCloud seems to be closer to syngery, with some extensions Jun 06 18:34:06 like doc syncing Jun 06 18:34:19 That's what I meant Jun 06 18:34:24 webOS Synergy Jun 06 18:34:26 right Jun 06 18:34:30 pretty much Jun 06 18:34:48 Apple's playing catch-up to Android and webOS in iOS 5 Jun 06 18:36:01 except they're going to get credit for it Jun 06 18:36:16 Sad... but true :( Jun 06 18:36:17 and document storage looks really nice Jun 06 18:36:32 yeah Jun 06 18:37:55 I wish webos would implement that Jun 06 18:38:02 ideally with configurable backing Jun 06 18:39:05 How is it different than Google Docs though? Jun 06 18:39:26 it's client->sync Jun 06 18:39:38 rather than web interface/storage Jun 06 18:40:17 Can't you do that on webOS 2 with quickoffice? Jun 06 18:40:33 Add google docs as an account Jun 06 18:40:34 There, app sent to my account mgr :) Jun 06 18:43:10 Man even syncing photos in iCloud? Data is gonna go up a lot for iOS users Jun 06 18:43:41 yuuup Jun 06 18:43:48 and they're gonna have to pay for it Jun 06 18:43:59 webos just needs to work on their api Jun 06 18:44:03 that's it. Jun 06 18:44:10 well, and cloud notifications Jun 06 18:44:45 yep Jun 06 18:45:01 bring webkit to spec Jun 06 18:45:55 yeah, I wish webOS had a better api in some ways Jun 06 18:46:51 in some ways? Jun 06 18:46:58 i wish it was atleast as good as google chrome Jun 06 18:48:36 I can't believe iTunes on iOS never had a purchased button until now. Jun 06 18:48:45 You'd think that would be there right from the start? Jun 06 19:30:52 tis quiet.... to quiet... Jun 06 19:31:37 ios killed it Jun 06 19:31:52 heh Jun 06 19:36:10 so, here's a question Jun 06 19:36:31 how is it that all of these companies are coming out with essentially the same product around the same time? Jun 06 19:36:49 spies Jun 06 19:36:52 are they all developing these same technologies in parallel? Jun 06 19:39:20 mebe Jun 06 19:40:17 like what kind of products? Jun 06 19:40:39 "cloud" services? Jun 06 19:41:22 yeah Jun 06 19:41:33 cloud music, synergy-esque things Jun 06 19:41:51 Apple, Google, HP, they're all doing what amounts to "the same thing" Jun 06 19:41:58 music has clearly been in the pipe for ages, its the music labels that have screwed with delivering anything. Jun 06 19:42:00 and even amazon to an extent Jun 06 19:42:29 amazon finally said screw you to the labels, and then the rest came out off hte woodwork. Jun 06 19:42:55 but like, there's no way Google's music service was a "oh, amazon said screw you, now we can implement and release this" Jun 06 19:43:12 no, amazon, apple and google were all working on one for ages Jun 06 19:43:45 delivery held up not by being development complete but more how to deal with the music labels insistence on licensing and costs. Jun 06 19:44:04 that makes sense Jun 06 19:44:20 it seems like no one has been patenting any of this, which is interesting Jun 06 19:44:26 whoa, my cards is messed up! Jun 06 19:44:40 wonder why there is no Spotify in the US? its not because they cant translate the strings in the app. Jun 06 19:44:47 maybe from live blogging Jun 06 19:45:48 they won't swipe away...time to reboot Jun 06 19:46:51 welcome to the hood chuqui Jun 06 19:47:00 hey howdy. Jun 06 19:47:02 ryanwatkins: yeah, I mean, I get all that Jun 06 19:47:05 in between meetings. Jun 06 19:47:21 bah, meetings Jun 06 19:47:38 :D Jun 06 19:47:47 I was gonna be all self-righteous about not having meetings in academia, but that's simply not true Jun 06 19:47:57 not at all Jun 06 19:48:15 * halfhalo is a student assistant, he ignores most meetings Jun 06 19:48:29 actually, the only one i would have to go to is on thurs, and i'm not working then Jun 06 19:48:36 and especially as a grad student, I'm gonna have 2-3 meetings a week Jun 06 19:49:16 * ryanwatkins needs some feedback on his TouchPad app. Jun 06 19:49:34 ryanwatkins: what's it do? Jun 06 19:49:36 Sent it to dev rel contacts but there .. a bit busy I guess. Jun 06 19:49:49 Instapaper Jun 06 19:50:09 * halfhalo shakes fist at devrel! Jun 06 19:50:24 as in instapaper.com? Jun 06 19:50:28 ya Jun 06 19:50:54 * ryanwatkins shakes fist at long meetings. Jun 06 19:52:50 * haeffb-pre shakes fist at fist shakers Jun 06 19:53:21 * halfhalo shakes fist at people who shakes fists at fist shakers Jun 06 19:53:23 * twbbas shakes fist at non-fist shakers Jun 06 19:53:27 and high fives devrel and long meetings Jun 06 19:54:12 shakes fist at myself Jun 06 19:54:13 oops, not long meetings Jun 06 19:54:26 * cwayne1 shakes fist for no apparent reason Jun 06 19:54:29 chuqui: high five! Jun 06 19:54:34 mooooooo Jun 06 19:55:01 ryanwatkins: what did you send to instapaper? Jun 06 19:55:16 i wrote a client for it. Jun 06 19:55:34 oh, neat Jun 06 19:56:08 I wish amazon didn't keep whispernet access so closed down Jun 06 19:56:10 for some possible, may or may not exist SDK. Jun 06 19:57:01 NDA!!!! Jun 06 19:57:15 somewhat hard to test offline features when the emulator doesnt ever actually go offline tho. Jun 06 19:57:40 hah Jun 06 19:57:52 ryanwatkins: you can't shut off wifi on your PC? Jun 06 19:58:03 sure, that tests "network is down right now - timeout" Jun 06 19:58:04 pull the plug! Jun 06 19:58:08 it does not test "am i online?" Jun 06 19:58:50 or "ah, Im back online, lets sync up those offline actions". Jun 06 19:59:07 * haeffb-pre doesn't see how that's different Jun 06 19:59:28 yeh, wouldn't "timeout" still qualify as "offline"? Jun 06 19:59:33 but I'm slow that way Jun 06 19:59:38 there are no system notifications when you go online or offline in the emulator. even if you flip airplane mode off an on. Jun 06 20:00:19 timeout means give up this attempt, it does not mean "dont bother doing anything over the network till you see it come back online". Jun 06 20:00:21 ah, notifications Jun 06 20:00:39 fancy Jun 06 20:01:22 you need a device for testing! Jun 06 20:01:22 i guess I could expect the "am I online?" to just lie to me all the time and try every time and timeout, but thats .. ugly. Jun 06 20:02:03 :) Jun 06 20:05:29 how come after doing the restore i cant get the preware to install it dont show up in the list? Jun 06 20:06:04 it show i still got the prewaredoc Jun 06 20:06:40 preware does not get saved, you have to reinstall it via computer Jun 06 20:10:13 i just tried again aint it wont. Jun 06 20:10:18 hmm Jun 06 20:10:40 i gotto do the webosdoc again' Jun 06 20:10:46 do you have devmode enabled Jun 06 20:10:51 yes Jun 06 20:11:00 webos20090606 Jun 06 20:11:01 and how are you trying to install preware Jun 06 20:11:05 and its on Jun 06 20:11:15 usb cable Jun 06 20:11:52 hitting the install once i sellect it from the list preware Jun 06 20:12:11 webos quick install Jun 06 20:12:45 yeah, I have no idea about quick install. I never user it, Always install via the sdk tools Jun 06 20:13:06 is that easier? Jun 06 20:13:18 hota Adora Jun 06 20:13:57 LOL: it works for me. Once the sdk is installed then you just download the preware .ipk, then run palm-install .ipk. Jun 06 20:13:59 hey Adora! My app is coming along nicely!!!! I'd love if you could test it (I just have to do some adjustments) :) Jun 06 20:14:22 LOL: why don't you use the "preware bootstrap"? If you have novacom, you can use that Jun 06 20:14:44 novacom drivers u mean? Jun 06 20:14:50 they are install Jun 06 20:15:16 where do i get the bootstrap Jun 06 20:15:37 ¬¬ novacom, not novacomd :) if you open a cmd window, and type "novacom", do you get a file not found error? Jun 06 20:17:21 yes errror Jun 06 20:18:16 mmm.. no, then the bootstrap idea won't work for you unless you download the SDK... and then, you could as well use palm-install instead :S Jun 06 20:19:05 got the link? Jun 06 20:19:34 what is the best HTML5 framework/dev platform for webOS? Jun 06 20:19:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Jun 06 20:19:41 Enyo! Jun 06 20:19:45 Yep, Enyo :) Jun 06 20:19:49 heh Jun 06 20:19:52 lol Jun 06 20:19:59 well, if only Ares worked Jun 06 20:20:03 I really need to look into enyo Jun 06 20:20:20 LOL: Section 3.4 is what I was talking about Jun 06 20:20:29 I never completed a mojo app, there's no reason I should start now :) Jun 06 20:20:52 kk Jun 06 20:20:55 ty Jun 06 20:21:31 summatusmentis: you won't regret it, it's really easy :D Jun 06 20:21:52 I need to figure out how to make oauth actually work though Jun 06 20:22:02 NuttyBunny: pm :) Jun 06 20:22:10 summatusmentis: oauth sucks. whatre you trying to do with it? Jun 06 20:25:08 agree - oauth is a pain in ass, but once you've got it working your fine. Jun 06 20:25:09 cwayne1: I want to write a client for a web service that uses it for authentication to their api Jun 06 20:25:24 and it seems to be the only way to authenticate Jun 06 20:25:28 summatusmentis: so like oauth signing the requests? Jun 06 20:25:49 I'm not 100% sure, it's been a while since I looked at it Jun 06 20:26:28 but yes, I think something like that Jun 06 20:26:38 Spaz is open source, and implements OAuth - you can look into how they use it - https://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos Jun 06 20:26:56 I remember trying, and got lost in all of the other user account stuff in there Jun 06 20:26:59 but I may look again Jun 06 20:27:03 summatusmentis: well im working on an app that got the oauth token from basic auth then had to sign all requests with the token Jun 06 20:27:10 summatusmentis: if its anything similar i can help you out Jun 06 20:27:23 cwayne1: I think that's how this works Jun 06 20:27:49 My app just got upgraded, from my "experimenting" folder, to my official development folder ;) Jun 06 20:27:51 summatusmentis: ah, lemme know for sure then, i may have done all your work for you :) Jun 06 20:28:19 cwayne1: I'll look into it, and maybe ping you tomorrow :) Jun 06 20:28:39 summatusmentis: sure thing Jun 06 20:31:52 * haeffb hates when stuff that worked yesterday doesn't work today. Jun 06 20:33:22 story. of. my. life. Jun 06 20:34:32 code decays. Jun 06 20:34:51 and must have a half-life of about 30 minutes Jun 06 20:35:05 doable Jun 06 20:35:07 damnit now i wanna play half-life 2 Jun 06 20:35:13 me too Jun 06 20:35:22 depends on the quality of the developer and the depth of his dependencies. Jun 06 20:36:32 * halfhalo has hl2 on his work laptop Jun 06 20:36:49 ok ill try tonight thanksbunny Jun 06 20:36:58 got to work now Jun 06 20:37:08 bye peeps Jun 06 20:37:20 thanks alot for the help Jun 06 20:37:32 halfhalo: lol, me too Jun 06 20:44:09 no motherf'ing way. It WORKS! Jun 06 20:44:18 * haeffb does a NuttyBunny happy dance! Jun 06 20:44:33 lol Jun 06 20:44:48 * haeffb is an idiot, but brute force trial and error sometimes does pay off. Jun 06 20:44:52 bbl Jun 06 20:45:47 haeffb, haeffb_pre : Congrats!! :D Jun 06 20:57:49 I have a pre- laying around, waiting to be used for tasks@hand testing by a real user. As I expect that user to evaluate webos at the same time, would I best leave 1.4.5 on it, or should I dump 2.x on the pre-? Jun 06 20:58:55 mmm... tough question Jun 06 20:59:11 I remember the pre- sometimes taking fairly long before a call actually comes through, that's something I wouldn't like him to experience... he's not really a tech person, so the use will be relatively limited, I guess. Jun 06 20:59:12 if it were a Plus I'd say go with 2.1, but on a minus.. I don't know Jun 06 20:59:33 NuttyBunny: I haven't tried to run it on either Jun 06 20:59:51 that $50 off-contract pixi+ is really compelling Jun 06 20:59:54 keep 1.4.5 on it Jun 06 21:00:09 cwayne1: reasons being? Jun 06 21:00:38 madnificent: from my experience, thats where a large chunk of webos users still are. plus i feel 2.1 on the minus might be slow as fuck Jun 06 21:00:56 cwayne1: thanks Jun 06 21:01:24 also, what patches should I give a non-tech user? WebOS 1.4.5 isn't all that without, but what would a non-tech user expect? Jun 06 21:02:07 mode-switcher would probably be awesome, as it's somewhat convincing, a different kernel is a must (if only for battery life), the led torch in the menu... besides that I don't know what normal users would expect Jun 06 21:06:23 Okay, I have a question, I haven't gotten around to moving my Sprint Com Board from my Palm Pre into my Unlocked Palm Pre 2, how exactly should I go about doing this, because the walk through talks about some sort of patch to accomodate 2.0+ firmware to be able to use the online profile account, but if the device is already 2.0+ Profile online account Do I actually need to do this step or how should I modify the walk through to suppor Jun 06 21:07:18 having wire issues Jun 06 21:07:26 wirc Jun 06 21:07:38 stupid auto-incorrect Jun 06 21:07:46 2.1 on the minues isn't terribly if you run it at at least 800mhz and fix the compcache so it's at least 32mb Jun 06 21:08:07 modeswitcher is something I should really figure out how to use Jun 06 21:17:15 summatusmentis: without modeswitcher I'd have had mad eyes at my exam for today Jun 06 21:19:20 CyanFOX: That question goes actually in #webos-internals... Jun 06 21:19:47 thanks so much NuttyBunny Jun 06 21:22:17 madnificent: mad eyes? Jun 06 21:23:02 summatusmentis: my phone would've went off and it would've made noise Jun 06 21:23:40 oooh Jun 06 21:23:42 right Jun 06 21:33:15 people, what terminal package works on 2.1 now? Jun 06 21:33:23 terminus and terminal seem broken Jun 06 21:33:32 sdlterminal just sits downloading in Preware Jun 06 21:43:02 xterm Jun 06 21:45:54 Draecos: ah nice, I thought I did something wrong Jun 06 21:46:00 * madnificent searches for xterm Jun 06 21:46:34 madnificent, eh? Jun 06 21:46:52 Draecos: they don't work here either, I thought /I/ broke it Jun 06 21:46:57 ah ok :) Jun 06 21:47:09 me too, got a few patches installed and was lothed to hard reset Jun 06 21:47:23 same scenario :) Jun 06 21:47:40 NuttyBunny, is it in a different repository than the standard preware? Jun 06 21:47:55 maybe is in the testing feeds Jun 06 21:47:58 updating feeds now btw Jun 06 21:57:29 hi everyone Jun 06 21:58:23 oil are you around any Jun 06 21:59:36 Seeing tweets about #hpdiscover. That going to be anything webOS related? Jun 06 21:59:57 Draecos: did you find it? Jun 06 22:00:04 no still looking Jun 06 22:00:19 reference to it on webosinternals but nothing found in preware Jun 06 22:00:42 probably have to add another source Jun 06 22:00:51 s/source/feed/ Jun 06 22:00:56 poss, already added the webos internals testing all Jun 06 22:11:29 Draecos: which testings feeds do you have enabled? Jun 06 22:13:25 Draecos: it works here, so you'll have it soon as well Jun 06 22:14:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jun 06 22:14:59 ah misread Jun 06 22:15:04 Note that you will need to enable *TWO* feeds below. You need the *ALL* feed and you need the device-specific feed as well (armv7, armv6 or i686). Jun 06 22:15:05 doh Jun 06 22:15:07 brb Jun 06 22:17:34 :D Jun 06 22:21:01 update, try again :P Jun 06 22:22:28 aha :P Jun 06 22:22:31 installing :) Jun 06 22:23:36 loool X windows on webOS Jun 06 22:23:43 screw you ios Jun 06 22:24:52 yay, ssh'd into my cisco router Jun 06 22:24:54 win Jun 06 22:25:14 ;) be warned: ctrl-C won't work because webOS captures gesture-C as "copy" :) Jun 06 22:25:24 k Jun 06 22:25:25 ta Jun 06 22:25:37 anyone know much about the webos pluging for coda? Jun 06 22:26:23 nm found it Jun 06 22:26:28 just thought it was a bit old Jun 06 22:27:27 well some big changes for some apps including mine =( Jun 06 22:28:00 ok dont install/run Terminal on 2.1 Jun 06 22:28:02 luna crash Jun 06 22:28:04 woot Jun 06 22:28:12 'delete' Jun 06 22:29:25 the RSS feeds are gona be shutdown for now Jun 06 22:31:03 * haeffb is afraid to touch anything in this code now. Jun 06 22:31:15 things that worked don't work and things that didn't work now work Jun 06 22:31:21 it's just spooky. Jun 06 22:31:45 haeffb: it is the ghost on the machine Jun 06 22:36:19 ghost in the shell Jun 06 23:19:08 * haeffb Dancing Again!!!! Jun 06 23:19:47 and going to grill some pork steaks and corn on the cob. Got a watermelon, too. Summertime! Jun 06 23:20:31 obviously this is NSFW but its on youtube so its just language.. Jun 06 23:20:32 http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/2011/06/06/this-is-a-shout-out-to-any-porn-producers/?xrs=synd_facebook Jun 06 23:47:50 Lion in July, available only on the Mac App Store? Killer. :o Jun 06 23:59:03 what's a good irc client for webos? Jun 06 23:59:12 wIRC Jun 06 23:59:22 will there be a tablet version soon? Jun 06 23:59:32 * halfhalo looks at oil Jun 06 23:59:45 or is that all under nda still? Jun 06 23:59:48 there isn't a tablet Jun 07 00:00:32 dont expect a tablet version of wirc before i have a tablet :) Jun 07 00:01:04 fair enough Jun 07 00:01:14 but i do plan to do it Jun 07 00:01:20 probably with a node back end Jun 07 00:01:39 Node is pretty awesome~ Jun 07 00:01:45 yeah, I like node Jun 07 00:01:58 Oh, and oil? I'm a guy :p Jun 07 00:02:05 lol Jun 07 00:02:18 psh, node Jun 07 00:02:23 * creationix just spent all day getting an updated version of node into some future release of webOS Jun 07 00:02:29 lol Jun 07 00:02:34 well good work :) Jun 07 00:02:46 * halfhalo gives creationix a cookie Jun 07 00:03:18 no promises when it will be out though Jun 07 00:03:55 creationix, hope I see you up there thursday. Jun 07 00:04:02 what's thursday? Jun 07 00:04:11 then I won't :D Jun 07 00:04:12 same! Jun 07 00:04:14 day after wednesday Jun 07 00:04:17 touchpad event! Jun 07 00:04:25 creationix: I don't know, saying "in the future" sounds like a plenty fine promise on when it'll be out XD Jun 07 00:04:39 "in the coming months" Jun 07 00:05:02 Coming months is too specific. Future is open ended Jun 07 00:05:17 * halfhalo goes to drop car off... again... Jun 07 00:05:34 halfhalo, do *you* need a ride? Jun 07 00:05:39 "months" is 2-∞ months Jun 07 00:05:48 * haeffb assumes wirc will run on a tablet, just in a little window Jun 07 00:07:06 * halfhalo changed it to tomorrow morning Jun 07 00:07:59 anyway, I have to head out. If there is a meetup thursday, I haven't heard about it. Someone send me an email. Jun 07 00:08:40 psh Jun 07 00:11:26 enyo: scenes=views, stages=panels? Jun 07 00:18:54 No Jun 07 00:23:40 panes, not panels Jun 07 00:23:50 And again...no. Jun 07 00:25:09 hehehe.. ok, my app is everything on the same screen anyway ;) Jun 07 00:30:00 hey oil, who did you bribe to get your app such a hefty placement in preware Jun 07 00:30:16 (the updated time in the precentral feed is from the future) Jun 07 00:31:04 because oil is from the future... Jun 07 00:31:23 so he's dinosaur now? Jun 07 00:31:25 is it Australia time by chance? Jun 07 00:31:38 usually that problem is due to the date/time on your phone being wrong Jun 07 00:31:51 or is the date in the feed wrong? Jun 07 00:32:01 the date in the feed says.... Jun 07 00:32:22 Last Updated: 6/28/11 10:00PM Jun 07 00:32:28 hahaha Jun 07 00:32:34 (well, it's a unixtime, but I converted it) Jun 07 00:33:03 idk, maybe the date on the server is off? Jun 07 00:33:09 its not like i set the date when i push an update Jun 07 00:33:11 no, it isn't Jun 07 00:33:11 its automatic Jun 07 00:34:40 neither one of them is that date...the builder or the package server. Jun 07 00:34:56 * oil doesnt know what to say Jun 07 00:36:22 on my pre, i see last updated: 6/5/11 Jun 07 00:36:55 thats what the feeds seem to agree with. Jun 07 00:36:59 someone did not convert a date properly ;) Jun 07 00:37:07 * oil blames dwc- :) Jun 07 00:37:16 package on media.precentral.net says Jun 07 00:37:19 -rw-r--r-- 1 1000 1000 2108220 2011-05-28 18:44 ws.junk.xboxlive_0.6.2_all.ipk Jun 07 00:37:24 oh Jun 07 00:37:27 xbox live friends Jun 07 00:37:32 thought you were talking about wirc Jun 07 00:37:41 ya, thought so Jun 07 00:37:42 no, I'm talking about the app taht's been at the top of my preware feeds Jun 07 00:37:48 for like the last week Jun 07 00:37:50 Source: { "Title":"XboxLive Friends", "LastUpdated":"1309323600" Jun 07 00:37:50 well, who knows about their stuff Jun 07 00:37:53 * ka6sox-away sends fussing towards dwc- Jun 07 00:38:17 how's the precentral Packages file constructed? Jun 07 00:38:31 wierd...we have to parse it :p Jun 07 00:38:31 ridiculously? Jun 07 00:38:40 to get it to something standard. Jun 07 00:39:00 precentrals feed is hield together with glue and paperclips Jun 07 00:39:20 and we choke on the paperclips Jun 07 00:39:47 lol @ %20 in maintainer Jun 07 00:40:18 silly P|C Jun 07 00:40:30 Uh oh... Jun 07 00:40:40 dragons? Jun 07 00:40:53 I think I just bricked... Jun 07 00:41:09 dragons could help... Jun 07 00:41:25 yup Jun 07 00:41:53 if its going to be on top of the list for a month, at least its awesome Jun 07 00:41:57 :) Jun 07 00:42:02 but, im totally bias Jun 07 00:42:06 dwc-: I'm pretty sure you can put in any date you want on PreCentral Jun 07 00:42:19 see, it was their tech who mucked it up Jun 07 00:42:20 but never thought of staying at the top... :) Jun 07 00:42:38 because the record for xlf was screwed and they had to do some back-end magic to make it even show up Jun 07 00:46:43 Terminator was a pretty cool movie Jun 07 00:48:09 lol Jun 07 00:53:44 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/sony-introduces-playstation-branded-3d-monitor-and-3d-glasses/?utm_source=update Jun 07 00:53:49 pretty cool.. but 24".. Jun 07 00:53:58 * haeffb wonders if TouchPad will have HBO Go Jun 07 00:53:59 3d meh Jun 07 00:54:04 yeah, but 3d Jun 07 00:54:14 rest of sony even tis fail Jun 07 00:54:23 wake me when smell-o-vision comes out Jun 07 00:56:44 watching X-Files with smell-o-vision? I think I'll pass Jun 07 00:57:08 no, but the food network would rise to #1 if its not already Jun 07 00:57:18 yup Jun 07 00:58:17 #hungryallthetime Jun 07 00:58:26 I like Cooking channel Jun 07 01:21:52 I like cooking Jun 07 01:24:23 I like http://www.webos101.com Jun 07 01:25:58 I like The Big Bang Theory ;) Jun 07 01:29:14 did anyone ever get the $49.95 Veers? Jun 07 01:36:54 I think a couple of guys @ Precentral Jun 07 01:37:07 the bastards... I just got a $5 coupon :@ Jun 07 01:51:33 I didn't even get a coupon! Jun 07 01:51:49 just a "Sorry, we canceled your order" message. Jun 07 01:52:06 sugardave! You're looking very sugary tonight. Jun 07 01:52:24 bedroom eyes! Jun 07 01:52:36 ok Jun 07 01:52:50 same here haeffb Jun 07 01:55:29 what are you guys talking about? Jun 07 01:55:47 you, you sexy devil Jun 07 01:55:54 awww yeah Jun 07 01:56:32 you guys just want me for my TouchPad...I know what's up Jun 07 01:57:27 we've scared off chuq he never comes around anymore Jun 07 01:57:35 so we needed someone new Jun 07 02:04:36 heh Jun 07 02:04:42 chuq is a busy guy these days Jun 07 02:05:27 I have no doubt Jun 07 02:05:38 sugardave: I do want your touchpad, not you :P Jun 07 02:05:57 heh Jun 07 02:06:03 TOUGH SHIT Jun 07 02:06:05 er Jun 07 02:06:11 :) Jun 07 02:06:32 * halfhalo grabs crowbar and gets in hi..... waitasecond, he has no car right now Jun 07 02:06:43 hahaha, I'm safe Jun 07 02:07:24 for now... Jun 07 02:08:50 * oil points out how sugardave is a sellout and just got a job at hp to get a touchpad before the rest of us Jun 07 02:09:01 * halfhalo would do the same if he could Jun 07 02:10:21 s/sugardave/selloutdave/ Jun 07 02:10:31 * sugardave points out that oil is just jealous. Jun 07 02:10:36 very Jun 07 02:10:39 :D Jun 07 02:10:47 * halfhalo will play with tp thurs Jun 07 02:11:37 wahahahahaha Jun 07 02:11:41 AHAHAHAHAHA Jun 07 02:12:11 today in the orientation the security lady was all over us that had TouchPads. "You can't let anybody see it, unless the back is covered. blahblahblah" But my manager told me differently, I can let people see it all they want, I just can't let anybody touch it. John Kneeland said it's a SeePad now Jun 07 02:12:28 lol at a SeePad Jun 07 02:12:28 lol Jun 07 02:12:48 hey, and it's got notifications just like the iPad will have in a few months Jun 07 02:12:56 sweet! Jun 07 02:13:16 20 says ipad update out before TP Jun 07 02:13:21 I hope we can get ours to do over the air updates just like Apple Jun 07 02:13:40 and maybe add Twitter avatars to contacts Jun 07 02:13:47 or something Jun 07 02:15:29 meh Jun 07 02:15:30 what's css for horizontal align ? Jun 07 02:15:41 flexboxes Jun 07 02:15:46 hahaha Jun 07 02:15:48 just do it all in flex boxes D: Jun 07 02:15:50 meh, I'm in a flexbox Jun 07 02:16:06 I N C E P T I O N Jun 07 02:16:13 you want to check out pack and align Jun 07 02:16:25 pack this Jun 07 02:16:33 GO PACK SAND Jun 07 02:16:42 NOU Jun 07 02:16:46 haeffb is in a good mood tonight, I take it beer is involved Jun 07 02:17:09 when is it not? Jun 07 02:18:12 very true Jun 07 02:19:25 haeffb, float: left on one, float: right on the other Jun 07 02:20:19 * haeffb has been drikning beerz Jun 07 02:20:32 DocLee: give up the floats, man. flexboxes are the shit Jun 07 02:20:46 floats are still needed Jun 07 02:21:03 I guess...I just hate them so Jun 07 02:22:10 wait, I meant vertical alignment Jun 07 02:23:01 throw some more flex boxes on it Jun 07 02:23:28 haeffb, Put one thing on top of the other... Jun 07 02:23:41 flex: "center verically, dammit!" Jun 07 02:23:46 didn't work Jun 07 02:23:56 align: "center" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 07 02:59:57 2011