**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 19 02:59:57 2011
Jun 19 03:24:12 <PatrickC> madnificent: long time no see
Jun 19 04:24:21 <cxreg> i made a new self-installer for that bash thing i mentioned earlier, check out http://cxreg.com/smartcd
Jun 19 04:26:39 <summatusmentis> cxreg: it says "alter your bash environment as you cd" what does that mean?
Jun 19 04:27:10 <cxreg> to make temporary changes to PATH and things like that, or maybe aliases, etc
Jun 19 04:27:19 <summatusmentis> oooh, I see
Jun 19 04:27:29 <summatusmentis> so actual environment, not just prompt
Jun 19 04:27:33 <cxreg> right
Jun 19 04:27:42 <summatusmentis> I was sitting here thinking "your PS1 variable can do that"
Jun 19 04:27:45 <cxreg> heh :)
Jun 19 04:27:52 <summatusmentis> intriguing
Jun 19 04:27:55 <cxreg> it's really handy
Jun 19 04:28:08 <summatusmentis> I don't know what use I'd have for it, exactly
Jun 19 04:28:12 <summatusmentis> but it's interesting
Jun 19 04:28:47 <cxreg> file under "things you didnt realize you could do"
Jun 19 04:28:51 <cxreg> maybe one day you'll need it
Jun 19 04:29:49 <summatusmentis> indeed
Jun 19 04:35:26 * twbbas goes to sleep
Jun 19 10:31:16 <ddluk> Adora: I've got a small problem. My application was approved yesterday but still is not displayed on website - https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ddluk.packagetrackinghd&code=IL
Jun 19 10:45:20 <dohtem> email pdc@palm.com
Jun 19 11:43:33 <Popple3> dohtem: Seems Monday 10pm was incorrect :( But it was accepted last night, so I'm not complaining :P
Jun 19 12:40:19 <hotdp_pre> do anyone know if the touchpad keyboard will be custom localizable? (would like it to have danish charactors)
Jun 19 13:28:05 <PatrickC> morning all
Jun 19 13:34:09 <haeffb> bogus
Jun 19 13:34:29 <haeffb> when you do [redacted] in [redacted] it only works when [redacted]
Jun 19 13:44:38 <dwc-> redact some more, obviously
Jun 19 14:00:14 <haeffb> Ok, figured out how to get [redacted] working properly in [redacted]
Jun 19 14:00:37 * haeffb wonders why it's still necessary to be redacting
Jun 19 14:13:21 <summatusmentis> is there a good way to debug what's going on behind the scenes in [redacted]?
Jun 19 14:15:48 <Popple3> haeffb: What? [redacted] in [redacted]? Sure that's easy :P
Jun 19 14:18:14 <haeffb> summatusmentis: behind the scenes?
Jun 19 14:18:28 <haeffb> I rely on Chrome's dev tools quite a bit.
Jun 19 14:18:44 <Popple3> summatusmentis: I tend to use lots of console.log() to debug, that's about it
Jun 19 14:19:46 <haeffb> yes mainly this.log() and the console in Chrome or palm-log for the emulator or [redacted]
Jun 19 14:20:20 * Popple3 wishes he knew what the above [redacted] stood for...
Jun 19 14:25:01 <Popple3> HP haven't got pre-orders for the TouchPad for Ireland up yet :/
Jun 19 14:25:38 <dohtem> Popple3: Congrats!  So you were just launching a browser window the wrong way?
Jun 19 14:26:12 <Popple3> dohtem: Yup, that was all. all I needed in the end was window.open :P lol
Jun 19 14:29:15 <Popple3> The HP webOS site for Ireland is awesome :D http://www.hpwebos.com/ie/en/ very minimalistic /s
Jun 19 14:29:41 <dohtem> haha
Jun 19 14:30:49 <Popple3> And the TouchPad is supposed to be launching a few days after the 1st here
Jun 19 14:30:50 <Popple3> that == faul
Jun 19 14:30:55 <Popple3> *that == fail
Jun 19 14:31:45 <Tibfib> anyone pre-ordered their touch pad?
Jun 19 14:32:13 <Popple3> Tibfib: Waiting for dev pricing
Jun 19 14:32:20 <Tibfib> me too
Jun 19 14:32:26 <Tibfib> I hope it is $200 off
Jun 19 14:32:28 <Tibfib> that would be perfect
Jun 19 14:32:39 <Tibfib> more would be awesome, but that's what I need minimum
Jun 19 14:32:39 <Popple3> Tibfib: No, a free one would be perfect :P
Jun 19 14:33:33 <Tibfib> I hope I can get a launch day touchpad with dev pricing
Jun 19 14:33:54 <Popple3> I'm gonna have to wait and see how well Postie sells to see if I can afford one, so no launch day TouchPad for me :(
Jun 19 14:36:57 <dohtem> make it enterprise-y
Jun 19 14:37:36 <dohtem> Tibfib: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/webos-developer-and-community-events-coming-to-dallas-tx/
Jun 19 14:40:36 <summatusmentis> hrm... a TouchPad as a graduation gift?
Jun 19 14:40:48 <summatusmentis> maybe I can swing that
Jun 19 14:40:59 <summatusmentis> (you know, to myself :-P )
Jun 19 14:42:58 <Loudergood> always a good idea to gift yourself
Jun 19 14:43:03 <Loudergood> make sure you wrap it too
Jun 19 14:45:44 <Popple3> and act surprised when you open it, of course
Jun 19 15:00:34 <djfun> http://www.expcres.fr/hp-touchpad-emea-16gb-wifi/article/333725.html .. hm.. -16GB and 0kg
Jun 19 15:11:26 <Loudergood> the helium edition
Jun 19 15:16:53 <rwatkins> so which pre-order store for the TouchPad can guarantee delivery by the 1st?
Jun 19 16:30:40 <sugardave> happy Father's Day, dads
Jun 19 16:46:38 <dohtem> sugardave: pm?
Jun 19 16:47:47 <dohtem> actually, nevermind :)
Jun 19 16:54:45 <sugardave> dohtem: fine!
Jun 19 16:54:52 <dohtem> hehe
Jun 19 16:56:05 <sugardave> one of our cats just rolled over, grabbed my foot and gutted it.  I'm afraid to take off my sock and that cat better be afraid for his life
Jun 19 17:03:29 <Draecos> so it would seem its not worth bothering with Mojo now guys and gals?
Jun 19 17:04:33 <sugardave> if you are callous and uncaring enough to abandon those poor souls that run webOS 2.1 or less, then go ahead
Jun 19 17:04:38 <sugardave> :D
Jun 19 17:05:17 <Draecos> hehe
Jun 19 17:05:33 <Draecos> its not that im either, i havent learnt either mojo or enyo
Jun 19 17:05:44 <Draecos> so im in two minds what to do
Jun 19 17:06:33 <sugardave> this is my opinion (i.e. not official Palm opinion), if you're a total n00b it's probably going to be easier to go Enyo and forget about Mojo
Jun 19 17:06:56 <Draecos> kinda mirrors my thoughts
Jun 19 17:07:03 <sugardave> they're completely different and if you spend a lot of time learning Mojo, then you will have to spend more time un-learning it for Enyo
Jun 19 17:07:08 <Draecos> yep
Jun 19 17:07:22 <hotdp> Mojo is waste of time..
Jun 19 17:07:26 <hotdp> Its a dead cow :(
Jun 19 17:07:35 <Draecos> yer i kinda feel like that hotdp
Jun 19 17:07:50 <Draecos> i had every intention but for the past couple of months ive had no time
Jun 19 17:07:52 <hotdp> so don't waste brain power on it, digg in enyo
Jun 19 17:08:11 <Draecos> and with the tp and pre3 pending it seems pointless learning mojo
Jun 19 17:08:24 <Draecos> if this was 2009 then it would be different :)
Jun 19 17:08:26 <Draecos> obviously
Jun 19 17:09:16 <hotdp> yer
Jun 19 17:09:23 <hotdp> Mojo was fun..
Jun 19 17:09:36 <hotdp> What are you used to use?
Jun 19 17:10:05 <Draecos> ?
Jun 19 17:10:07 <Draecos> coding wise?
Jun 19 17:11:23 <hotdp> yer
Jun 19 17:11:48 <uncola> just preordered my hp touchpad
Jun 19 17:11:56 <uncola> I"m ready for my medal
Jun 19 17:12:01 <hotdp> 400£ ?
Jun 19 17:12:27 <uncola> I paid $500 usd.  ordered it from amazon
Jun 19 17:13:04 <hotdp> oki
Jun 19 17:15:33 * haeffb thinks there will be very few Mojo-only devices in use going forward. The Pre, Pre+, Pixi's will be phased out. No point in learning Mojo.
Jun 19 17:15:56 <haeffb> the real question is whether it will be worth learning Enyo. :)
Jun 19 17:16:09 <sugardave> yes, duh
Jun 19 17:16:24 <uncola> also:  will hp hire Enya to sing at future press events
Jun 19 17:16:32 <dohtem> lol
Jun 19 17:16:33 <haeffb> god I hope not
Jun 19 17:17:05 <sugardave> In 12 hours I got 30% of this jquery/enyo/mojo monstrosity ported to Enyo-only
Jun 19 17:17:18 <Draecos> haeffb, very ture :)
Jun 19 17:17:21 <Draecos> true*
Jun 19 17:17:32 <Draecos> got to do something with my time :)
Jun 19 17:17:51 <Draecos> and i'll be f**ked if im learning objective c for crapple
Jun 19 17:17:59 <haeffb> sugardave: yes, but will there be enough devices sold to make it worth your time
Jun 19 17:18:12 <Draecos> actually that was a bit harsh but you get my drift
Jun 19 17:18:14 <loic_m> uncola> amazon touchpad page doesn't work. Only for me ? !
Jun 19 17:18:51 <sugardave> haeffb: yes, that is the gamble...here's to it paying off!
Jun 19 17:18:51 <uncola> this page has all the preorders links http://www.precentral.net/touchpad-now-available-pre-order
Jun 19 17:19:20 <uncola> the amazon one is working for me
Jun 19 17:19:31 <haeffb> sugardave: cheers!
Jun 19 17:19:34 <haeffb> We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site
Jun 19 17:19:41 <haeffb> amazon won't let me preorer
Jun 19 17:19:44 <haeffb> preorder
Jun 19 17:19:49 <sugardave> SOLD OUT!
Jun 19 17:20:02 <dohtem> this is potentially good news
Jun 19 17:20:23 <uncola> whoah
Jun 19 17:20:26 <haeffb> search for touchpad yields no touchpads, but
Jun 19 17:20:28 <haeffb> Pre-order the HP TouchPad The webOS-empowered HP TouchPad is now available for pre-order. Learn more
Jun 19 17:20:32 <uncola> the preorder page for the specific touchpads aren't working on amazon
Jun 19 17:20:37 <haeffb> link at the top
Jun 19 17:20:44 <haeffb> but the linky no worky
Jun 19 17:20:57 <haeffb> :(
Jun 19 17:21:26 <uncola> neweggs preorder page says sold out
Jun 19 17:21:30 <uncola> best buy's page seems to work
Jun 19 17:22:14 <halfhalo> preordered mine on the amazons + touchstone
Jun 19 17:22:48 <dohtem> here's hoping your UPS guy is nicer with packages than mine is
Jun 19 17:22:49 <hotdp> the touchstand?
Jun 19 17:22:49 <tthfry> me wants too...
Jun 19 17:22:50 <uncola> I tried to get the touchstone from amazon but it said it can't ship to hawaii
Jun 19 17:23:17 <dohtem> I have seen this UPS guy fling a box into a patio on the 2nd floor!
Jun 19 17:23:27 <halfhalo> nice
Jun 19 17:23:29 <halfhalo> :p
Jun 19 17:23:31 <uncola> realistically I don't really have room for that stand anyway, I always lay my tablets on the nearest flat surface and plug a charge cable in
Jun 19 17:24:21 <haeffb> Preloaded apps
Jun 19 17:24:21 <haeffb> Include Quickoffice, Google Docs and Box.net.
Jun 19 17:24:27 <haeffb> says Best Buy
Jun 19 17:24:54 <halfhalo> I have room for the stand, or will once I ditch this monitor
Jun 19 17:25:04 <haeffb> and I can get 18-month financing!
Jun 19 17:25:34 <dohtem> $28/month
Jun 19 17:26:12 * sugardave needs a TouchStand.
Jun 19 17:26:35 <haeffb> keyboard!
Jun 19 17:27:00 <sugardave> yeah and that bad-ass keyboard
Jun 19 17:27:06 * haeffb can't properly test my app without a Palm BT keyboard.
Jun 19 17:27:12 <sugardave> though I'm pretty good at typing on the screen, it seems
Jun 19 17:28:48 <Draecos> for those uk people here http://hp.cleverboxes.com/Product/221-FB405UA
Jun 19 18:23:41 <dohtem> sugardave: pm? (really this time)
Jun 19 18:43:47 <sugardave> doh
Jun 19 18:43:49 <sugardave> tem
Jun 19 19:29:26 <sugardave> "Cannot convert object to primitive value"...that's not fair
Jun 19 19:35:47 <PatrickC> so... the Opal
Jun 19 19:36:15 <PatrickC> who pre-ordered the TouchPad??????
Jun 19 19:37:50 <rwatkins> not i, looks like I'll be going into a store on the 1st to get it same day
Jun 19 19:38:17 * rwatkins wants a Stingray, not an Opal.
Jun 19 19:39:08 * PatrickC wants the Pre3.. Mantaray?
Jun 19 19:39:45 <rwatkins> ya.  keyboardless for thinner may be worth it.  we'll have to see i guess
Jun 19 19:40:25 <PatrickC> I want that "Six month exclusive slate" for sprint
Jun 19 19:43:30 * Draecos would like the money to buy a TP first :)
Jun 19 19:43:42 <rwatkins> ditched sprint.  its all about the unlocked GSM handset for me now.
Jun 19 19:44:14 * haeffb would ditch Sprint if I could
Jun 19 19:45:16 <haeffb> Best Buy wants me to get a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab
Jun 19 19:45:48 <PatrickC> Patrick wants you to get a TouchPad ;)
Jun 19 19:46:27 <PatrickC> Draecos: same here
Jun 19 19:48:27 * Popple3 is waiting for dev pricing. Can't afford full priced :(
Jun 19 19:48:39 <PatrickC> Popple3: same here
Jun 19 19:51:12 <Popple3> also, pre-orders aren't available for Ireland for some reason
Jun 19 19:52:09 <PatrickC> :/
Jun 19 19:56:41 <uncola> you'd think they'd let developers order it before consumers
Jun 19 19:57:26 <Draecos> dont be silly, this is HPalm we're talking about
Jun 19 19:58:10 <PatrickC> you are lucky they are getting it out before September lol
Jun 19 20:01:10 <Draecos> true
Jun 19 20:02:57 <uncola> I Think the palm name is 100% gone now
Jun 19 20:03:38 <Draecos> not true, its on my Pre, Pre2s and touchstone :P
Jun 19 20:03:55 <Draecos> oh and developer.palm.com is still around :)
Jun 19 20:04:39 <haeffb> Palm GBU is a unit of HP
Jun 19 20:04:57 <haeffb> 	-webkit-border-image: url(images/progress-bar-inner.png);
Jun 19 20:04:59 <haeffb> not working
Jun 19 20:05:20 <haeffb> oh, never mind.
Jun 19 20:14:31 <PatrickC> and it will *always* be Palm webOS :)
Jun 19 20:16:55 <Draecos> yup
Jun 19 20:17:11 <PatrickC> and the *Palm* Pre
Jun 19 20:17:26 <Popple3> HP Pre is too hard to say quickly
Jun 19 20:17:37 <PatrickC> haeffb: what you working on
Jun 19 20:17:43 <PatrickC> Popple3: the HPre
Jun 19 20:17:52 <Popple3> PatrickC: That's what I end up saying
Jun 19 20:17:58 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 19 20:18:10 <PatrickC> or, the H/Palm Pre3
Jun 19 20:18:43 <haeffb> working on a [redacted] version of Noted!
Jun 19 20:18:44 <Draecos> I think they are trying to bury the Palm name like Signet did with Ratners in the UK
Jun 19 20:19:13 <Draecos> e.g. removing a potentially unpopular name and replacing with a recognisable name in the public eye
Jun 19 20:19:29 <Draecos> anyway
Jun 19 20:19:34 <Draecos> covering old ground
Jun 19 20:19:37 <PatrickC> Draecos: that's what they're doing (it looks like)
Jun 19 20:19:51 <Draecos> to be fair it makes sense
Jun 19 20:19:59 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 19 20:20:01 <Draecos> but it will always be *Palm*
Jun 19 20:20:08 <PatrickC> yessir
Jun 19 20:20:25 <PatrickC> but, HP Veer does sound better then Palm Veer
Jun 19 20:20:29 <PatrickC> sadly
Jun 19 20:20:36 <Draecos> agreed
Jun 19 20:20:50 <Draecos> i admit I never did like the Palm Pixi name
Jun 19 20:20:59 <PatrickC> but, Palm Pre³ sounds better then HP Pre³
Jun 19 20:21:13 <Draecos> yup
Jun 19 20:21:38 <Draecos> cant decide on Palm Touchpad or HP touchpad thou
Jun 19 20:22:01 <PatrickC> same with Palm webOS or HP webOS
Jun 19 20:22:09 <Draecos> probably best its being released now though, could you imagine webOS 1.x on a touchpad
Jun 19 20:22:12 <Draecos> would kill it
Jun 19 20:22:24 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 19 20:22:30 <PatrickC> or 2.x for that matter
Jun 19 20:22:37 <Draecos> yer
Jun 19 20:22:44 <Draecos> 2.x is just about bearable atm
Jun 19 20:22:51 <Draecos> compared to android
Jun 19 20:22:58 <Draecos> iOS can just get knotted
Jun 19 20:23:01 <PatrickC> I don't like android
Jun 19 20:23:02 <Draecos> boring OS
Jun 19 20:23:15 <PatrickC> the only thing about Android that is decent is the main screen
Jun 19 20:23:21 <Draecos> I like HTC Sense
Jun 19 20:23:26 <PatrickC> iOS is very nice and polished
Jun 19 20:23:29 <Draecos> but I come from a WM6 background
Jun 19 20:23:46 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 19 20:23:50 <Draecos> i cant stand iOS
Jun 19 20:23:53 <Draecos> its just - boring
Jun 19 20:23:53 <PatrickC> sorry lol
Jun 19 20:24:04 <PatrickC> iOS is for the business man...
Jun 19 20:24:04 <Draecos> hasnt changed really since day 1
Jun 19 20:24:09 <PatrickC> not the fun person lol
Jun 19 20:24:20 <PatrickC> well, they let you set your own background now :P
Jun 19 20:24:28 <Draecos> i kinda though it was the other way round imho
Jun 19 20:24:31 <Draecos> thought*
Jun 19 20:24:32 <Popple3> Draecos: Yeah, I got bored with iOS after my iPhone 3G, then got a HTC Desire, got rid of Sense pretty quickly, and now I'm on a Pre 2
Jun 19 20:24:36 <PatrickC> and kinda/sorta multitask
Jun 19 20:24:41 <Draecos> meh
Jun 19 20:24:42 <Draecos> kinda
Jun 19 20:24:46 <Draecos> same Popple3
Jun 19 20:24:52 <Draecos> i had a 3GS for about a month
Jun 19 20:24:56 <Draecos> it got on my nerve
Jun 19 20:25:00 <Draecos> gave to missus
Jun 19 20:25:02 <PatrickC> multitasking on webos is soooooooooooooo much better :)
Jun 19 20:25:05 <Draecos> got a HTC Hero
Jun 19 20:25:09 <PatrickC> eww
Jun 19 20:25:10 <Draecos> then Pre-
Jun 19 20:25:14 <PatrickC> yay! :)
Jun 19 20:25:17 <Draecos> heh
Jun 19 20:25:18 * halfhalo has pretty much a device for every os
Jun 19 20:25:24 <Draecos> hey, ive still got my Hero PatrickC
Jun 19 20:25:33 <Draecos> its ok, i like the form factor
Jun 19 20:25:38 <PatrickC> I never liked the hero.. personal preference
Jun 19 20:25:42 <Draecos> yup
Jun 19 20:25:44 <uncola> I'm giving up on android
Jun 19 20:25:47 <Draecos> heh
Jun 19 20:25:49 <uncola> it just never feels smooth
Jun 19 20:25:53 <Draecos> as are lots of other people
Jun 19 20:25:58 <PatrickC> I know many people with the Eno
Jun 19 20:26:00 <PatrickC> Evo*
Jun 19 20:26:27 <PatrickC> the Evo is too big for me though
Jun 19 20:26:48 <uncola> 4" seems like the right size
Jun 19 20:27:05 <halfhalo> superamoled
Jun 19 20:27:06 <Draecos> i really hope HP come out with some more devices quickly after TP and Pre3
Jun 19 20:27:07 <PatrickC> 3.5-4" is good
Jun 19 20:27:33 <Draecos> would like a HTC Desire Z style webos phone
Jun 19 20:27:35 <PatrickC> I'm waiting for that "Six month exclusive slate" for sprint
Jun 19 20:27:49 <PatrickC> or a HTC Evo Shift webOS phone
Jun 19 20:28:15 <Popple3> I'm tempted to get this: http://www.amazon.de/LG-Smartphone-Touchscreen-interner-Speicher/dp/B0044BCTU0
Jun 19 20:28:32 <halfhalo> Popple3: get the samsung focus
Jun 19 20:28:35 <PatrickC> halfhalo: preorder a touchpad?
Jun 19 20:28:36 <halfhalo> superamoled
Jun 19 20:28:43 <halfhalo> supersuperamoamoled
Jun 19 20:28:50 <halfhalo> PatrickC: duh
Jun 19 20:28:56 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 19 20:29:00 <Popple3> halfhalo: samoled is awesome, but look at the price on the LG
Jun 19 20:29:03 <PatrickC> they're $500 right?
Jun 19 20:29:03 <Popple3> €199
Jun 19 20:30:10 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.de/T-Mobile-Samsung-Omnia-Smartphone-099917790/dp/B004IOC0PW/ref=sr_1_2?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1308515260&sr=1-2
Jun 19 20:30:38 <Popple3> halfhalo: Ooooooo
Jun 19 20:30:41 <PatrickC> wp7 though :/
Jun 19 20:30:44 <halfhalo> amoled is WORTH IT SOOOO MUCH
Jun 19 20:30:47 * Popple3 needs moneys
Jun 19 20:30:53 * halfhalo has wp7 in his hand
Jun 19 20:30:57 <PatrickC> Popple3: ask halfhalo
Jun 19 20:31:00 <Popple3> halfhalo: I know, my Samsung Wave is :awesome:
Jun 19 20:31:03 <PatrickC> halfhalo: you like it?
Jun 19 20:31:09 <halfhalo> si
Jun 19 20:31:13 <halfhalo> its purty
Jun 19 20:31:24 <PatrickC> how's the os itself? smooth?
Jun 19 20:31:28 <halfhalo> si
Jun 19 20:31:30 <Popple3> well, the Wave is crap really, but the screen is awesome
Jun 19 20:31:31 <PatrickC> better then webos? ;)
Jun 19 20:31:51 <halfhalo> min specs call for 1Ghz snapdragon cpu, so its buttery smooth
Jun 19 20:32:07 <halfhalo> and webos does more at once, but i use the focus for video stuff
Jun 19 20:32:16 <PatrickC> same processor that runs my pre2 at 1.4GHz?
Jun 19 20:32:23 <halfhalo> no
Jun 19 20:32:36 <Popple3> halfhalo: Just realised, the Omnia 7 you posted is locked to T-Mo :(
Jun 19 20:32:45 <PatrickC> I thought pre2 has a 1GHz smapdragon
Jun 19 20:32:54 <halfhalo> Popple3: i just found the first one
Jun 19 20:33:06 <halfhalo> google could find cheapies methings
Jun 19 20:33:31 <halfhalo> PatrickC: the pre2 does not have a snapdragon.  it has an omap
Jun 19 20:33:31 <Popple3> blah, no point, I can't afford it anyway
Jun 19 20:33:32 <Popple3> lol
Jun 19 20:35:10 <halfhalo> bah, being able to afford it is just a technicality
Jun 19 20:35:30 <Popple3> halfhalo: A TouchPad is much higher priority at the moment, I have enough phones :P
Jun 19 20:35:41 <Draecos> ^^
Jun 19 20:35:45 <Draecos> what he said
Jun 19 20:35:56 <halfhalo> thats what credit cards are for!
Jun 19 20:36:02 <Draecos> almost tempted to get finance for the TP
Jun 19 20:36:13 <Draecos> dont really want to use my credit card
Jun 19 20:36:18 <Popple3> halfhalo: well, I have money, but I need it :P
Jun 19 20:36:21 <Draecos> trying to pay the buggers off
Jun 19 20:36:51 <Popple3> I only use a debit card, that way I can't spend what I don't have :P
Jun 19 20:37:01 <Draecos> yup
Jun 19 20:37:31 <halfhalo> i plan on carrying 100 of the price on the cc for a month, the rest gets paid off right after the TP hits the card.
Jun 19 20:37:38 <Popple3> I was delighted (but also somewhat scared of the power it gave me) when my bank started issuing Visa Debit
Jun 19 20:38:16 <Popple3> so far, yeah, I've spent too much monies
Jun 19 20:38:58 <halfhalo> i have a visa cc and debit, but am wanting an amex as well since my school does not to visa for most things
Jun 19 20:39:58 <Popple3> I used to use a pre-paid visa coz banks here all used Laser, which only works in Ireland
Jun 19 20:43:35 <zamo> Anyone find the touched bulky
Jun 19 20:44:17 <zamo> Touchpad
Jun 19 20:45:29 <Popple3> zamo: Haven't held one, but from pics and vids, it doesn't look bulky to me
Jun 19 20:46:00 <sugardave> bulky?  I wouldn't say so
Jun 19 20:46:07 <Draecos> it wasnt too bad
Jun 19 20:46:21 <sugardave> I've never touched an iPad so I don't know what to compare it to
Jun 19 20:46:22 <Popple3> sugardave: You have to say that :P
Jun 19 20:46:40 <sugardave> it's thinner than my Pre -
Jun 19 20:47:33 <Popple3> I'm not really bothered about width, weight is the main factor for me, and I think it's just slightly heavier than an iPad if I recall correctly
Jun 19 20:50:03 <uncola> 1.6 vs 1.3 pounds for the ipad 2
Jun 19 20:50:45 <sugardave> it didn't kill me lugging it around the airport ;)
Jun 19 20:50:57 <oil> thats gotta be breaking some sort of agreement
Jun 19 20:51:32 <sugardave> I'm cleared to let people SEE me with it and using it, but not to let people touch it...so mine is a SeePad
Jun 19 20:51:41 <Draecos> heh
Jun 19 20:51:47 <destinal> sugardave:  :)
Jun 19 20:54:09 <sugardave> dohtem: you left before I could respond
Jun 19 20:54:13 <sugardave> "HELL NO"
Jun 19 20:54:18 <sugardave> j/k
Jun 19 20:54:21 <dohtem> ouch
Jun 19 20:54:37 <sugardave> did you figure it out?
Jun 19 20:55:48 <dohtem> gave up and played COD
Jun 19 20:56:24 <sugardave> hehe, I'm about to tell Google Analytics what I think and then play some inFamous
Jun 19 21:08:18 <haeffb> I've heard the TP is about the same size as the iPad, not as thin as the iPad2
Jun 19 21:09:19 <uncola> they really went after the ipad.. same res and aspect ratio
Jun 19 21:09:34 <uncola> I'm sure the ipad 3 is going to have some crazy high res screen though
Jun 19 21:19:26 <halfhalo> sugardave: heh.  ironically i just ordered infamous 2 from amazon
Jun 19 21:52:38 <ramitos> Hi @adora, whenever you can, please ask someone to reply to my problem here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=76301#p76301 (EAP). Thank you very much
Jun 19 21:54:07 <ramitos> i ment Adora
Jun 19 22:02:00 <PatrickC> sugardave: does the touchpad have a gorilla glass screen?
Jun 19 22:07:13 <ramitos> PatrickC i think its suppose to have
Jun 19 22:09:21 <PatrickC> I think so too
Jun 19 22:09:33 <PatrickC> I'm pretty sure that'll become a standard (I hope)
Jun 19 22:14:32 <PatrickC> haeffb: ping
Jun 19 22:16:08 <haeffb> yes?
Jun 19 22:16:33 <PatrickC> see PM
Jun 19 22:31:32 <PatrickC> what was that gesture Maranda Cosgrove does at the end of the commercial when she goes from the web to the video??
Jun 19 22:31:57 <PatrickC> looked... different...
Jun 19 22:32:29 <rwhitby> it's called "screen shots are simulated"
Jun 19 22:32:49 <PatrickC> probably.. but that gesture would be cool
Jun 19 22:42:29 * PatrickC might get to drive today!!
Jun 19 23:30:54 <uncola> cool patrick
Jun 20 02:00:43 <LoneStar99> happy fathers day folks
Jun 20 02:03:52 * NuttyBunny hops around
Jun 20 02:04:16 <NuttyBunny> I just entered to do that, since I stripped my app and now it's beginning to work again :D
Jun 20 02:05:00 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: thanks for hopping by
Jun 20 02:05:25 <NuttyBunny> hehehe..
Jun 20 02:05:42 <NuttyBunny> what's new? how many did preorder you TouchPad(s)?
Jun 20 02:06:11 <haeffb> one major hurdle left for my first [redacted] app to be ready to ship
Jun 20 02:06:15 <haeffb> zero preorders
Jun 20 02:07:25 <summatusmentis> I did not
Jun 20 02:08:38 <rwatkins> nope, need my TP on the 1st, so unwilling to order online.
Jun 20 02:08:49 <uncola> I preordered
Jun 20 02:08:53 <uncola> but I'm a slut for tablets
Jun 20 02:08:56 <uncola> and I basically order all of them
Jun 20 02:09:39 <rwatkins> uncola: have a Xoom?  Like how the browser crashes 70% of the time you visit developer.palm.com?
Jun 20 02:09:50 <Loudergood> lol
Jun 20 02:09:50 <uncola> I have an asus transformer but I already listed it on ebay
Jun 20 02:10:01 <summatusmentis> hoping dev pricing makes it more affordable
Jun 20 02:10:15 <uncola> haha I'd probably sell my blackberry playbook except I'd lose tons of money
Jun 20 02:10:17 <rwatkins> really.  I have a hell of a time getting logged in to read the forums from it.
Jun 20 02:10:23 <uncola> because they're going for like $375 used
Jun 20 02:10:30 <uncola> and I bought mine at msrp
Jun 20 02:10:40 <uncola> close to 500
Jun 20 02:11:15 <Loudergood> devise an elaborate contest over on one of the blackberry forums
Jun 20 02:11:32 <uncola> wtf.  I just tested on my asus transformer and the browser crashed when I went to developer.palm.com
Jun 20 02:11:35 <uncola> what causes that?
Jun 20 02:11:46 <rwatkins> dunno, but it sucks
Jun 20 02:11:59 <rwatkins> maybe google makes a crappy browser.
Jun 20 02:12:19 <rwatkins> suspect it doesnt happen as much on a touch pad ...
Jun 20 02:12:44 <NuttyBunny> For those who need it:  -webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore; should make a scrim/layer "transparent" (let the clicks and drags go through it)
Jun 20 02:14:12 <rwatkins> ha, custom palm properties for webkit?  a list of those would be handy
Jun 20 02:15:21 <uncola> developer.palm.com loads fine on my ipad 2
Jun 20 02:17:02 <rwatkins> palm developers are well know fruit users, less so android i imagine.
Jun 20 02:22:08 <rwatkins> "-webkit-palm-overflow" '-webkit-palm-scroll-margin-bottom' too apparently ..
Jun 20 02:22:27 <PatrickC> hey all
Jun 20 02:22:55 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 20 02:25:20 <uncola> developer.palm.com works on my playbook too
Jun 20 02:25:55 <rwatkins> I'm sure its just some bug specific to Android Chrome.
Jun 20 02:26:30 <rwatkins> likely just in 3.x+
Jun 20 02:27:35 <Loudergood> too bad the forums don't work on the pre ;)
Jun 20 02:27:47 <Loudergood> well they do, but poorly
Jun 20 02:27:54 <rwatkins> workfine, just dont .. fit.
Jun 20 02:28:09 <rwatkins> thats a bit of an oversight eh?
Jun 20 02:28:26 <rwatkins> phpbb sux tho
Jun 20 02:28:30 <haeffb> why would Palm want to have mobile-compatible websites?
Jun 20 02:30:20 <rwatkins> or atleast comaptible on their own hardware
Jun 20 02:31:16 <Loudergood> or an app
Jun 20 02:37:16 <destinal> Loudergood: app?  heresy.
Jun 20 02:37:36 <destinal> Loudergood: people could just make good web apps that work on smartphones, not _that_ hard.
Jun 20 02:37:46 <Loudergood> oh I know
Jun 20 02:38:11 <destinal> all this "we need a native client for our web thing" kind of seems like steps in the wrong direction
Jun 20 02:38:29 <destinal> like, we had a universal thing, now we're going back to having to target 3-5 platforms
Jun 20 02:38:55 <Loudergood> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/06/ny-post-blocks-access-to-its-website-on-ipads-to-drive-app-purchases.ars
Jun 20 02:39:02 <destinal> Loudergood: exactly
Jun 20 02:39:06 <destinal> ugh
Jun 20 02:39:30 <Loudergood> balkanization, again.
Jun 20 02:39:34 <rwatkins> I can see the potential for an api to the forum for an app, but to do things like facilitate sync and offline reading and such.
Jun 20 02:39:41 <rwatkins> not to .. just replace the website.
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