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Jun 20 03:11:26 <NuttyBunny> Ah! A better way of doing a "transparent" div: pointer-events: none;  :D
Jun 20 03:11:32 * NuttyBunny hops around again
Jun 20 03:12:47 <uncola> here's a bunny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hglB8bnLDM
Jun 20 03:20:00 <dohtem> http://www.junkfoodclothing.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product1_10052_10051_-1_20486_10551_14552# - awesome!
Jun 20 03:40:14 <NuttyBunny> I don't see the bunny hoping around :P
Jun 20 03:40:57 <NuttyBunny> gotta go, switching houses ;)
Jun 20 04:23:33 * PatrickC wanders aimlessly in
Jun 20 04:28:03 <PatrickC> dohtem: that's awesome haha
Jun 20 04:34:33 <PatrickC> nigh all
Jun 20 04:35:51 <PatrickC> night*
Jun 20 08:22:29 <oil> what
Jun 20 08:22:41 <hotdp> kik
Jun 20 08:22:44 <hotdp> lol*
Jun 20 08:25:27 <oilIsAnImpostah> I'm on to you, "oil"
Jun 20 08:43:25 <hotdp> hmm
Jun 20 08:43:40 * hotdp thinks Adora is drunk..
Jun 20 08:46:03 <oil> drunk review of wirc commin up haha
Jun 20 08:46:12 <oil> "make the buttons stop spinning"
Jun 20 10:40:42 <blameoil> wirc roolz!
Jun 20 10:41:04 <hotdp> oil?
Jun 20 12:20:00 <phoque_uni> argh, I hate synchronization issues
Jun 20 13:54:17 <PatrickC> morning all
Jun 20 13:57:09 <LoneStar99> m.all
Jun 20 13:58:04 <PatrickC> EXCLUSIVE: Office Depot Employee Training for HP TouchPad Leaked! @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/exclusive-office-depot-employee-training-for-hp-touchpad-leaked/
Jun 20 13:58:21 <PatrickC> finally
Jun 20 14:00:28 <summatusmentis> finally we get to see how people are going to be trained? I know, I've been waiting a lot time
Jun 20 14:01:15 <PatrickC> finally we get to see that people *are* going to be trained :)
Jun 20 14:02:14 <summatusmentis> hah
Jun 20 14:21:08 <LoneStar99> yeah forsure, nothing worse than non-trained peeps selling products or services
Jun 20 14:21:36 <stuffmc> Hi folks
Jun 20 14:21:42 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes, for people who don't know what they want
Jun 20 14:21:56 <summatusmentis> would you actually care if the person selling you your TouchPad didn't know anything about it?
Jun 20 14:21:58 <stuffmc> any idea why my Pre 2 is super mega slow, totally unusable (webOS 2.1) compared to my Pre Plus (1.4)?
Jun 20 14:23:14 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  yeah cuss i got conned into buying some piece of shit toshiba from some asshole at fry's that obvilously knew nothing about the machine
Jun 20 14:23:43 <LoneStar99> that toshiba was serviced 6 months out of 1 year, I had like 5 loaners...
Jun 20 14:24:01 <LoneStar99> so yeah some training is necessary
Jun 20 14:24:46 <summatusmentis> but you know you want a TouchPad...
Jun 20 14:25:03 <LoneStar99> stuffmc: have u tried restarting the device?
Jun 20 14:25:09 <stuffmc> :)
Jun 20 14:25:11 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  yeah i do =)
Jun 20 14:25:15 <stuffmc> obviously yeah
Jun 20 14:25:21 <stuffmc> more than once
Jun 20 14:25:42 <LoneStar99> i guess they are training them for the "ipad" potential questions....
Jun 20 14:26:53 <stuffmc> It's totally sad that webOS is so amazingly slow… I still "believe" in it, but it's totally uncomparable to my iPhone in terms of speed. Can't wait to see if the next devices are "better", because there's obviously "potential" in webOS, and it's the only thing I can stand beside iOS :)
Jun 20 14:27:35 <LoneStar99> "Why should I buy the touchpad instead of the iPad"?  --> Sales person responds: "Well first of all the iPad sounds like something a woman uses, and the Touchpad rocks!"
Jun 20 14:28:10 <stuffmc> LoneStar99: amazing argument
Jun 20 14:28:24 <stuffmc> at least as good as "your wife will love the new Tecra processor" :D
Jun 20 14:28:33 <summatusmentis> stuffmc: I don't have too much of an issue with 2.1 on my pr-
Jun 20 14:28:35 <summatusmentis> pre-
Jun 20 14:29:06 <stuffmc> hmm… is there a way (besides "top" in ssh) to know what could be the "problem"?
Jun 20 14:29:27 <stuffmc> what's the ssh command again to reach the pre?
Jun 20 14:29:31 <summatusmentis> novaterm
Jun 20 14:29:33 <stuffmc> I forget this all the time :)
Jun 20 14:29:34 <stuffmc> thx
Jun 20 14:29:41 <LoneStar99> stuffmc: it's all in the training LOL!
Jun 20 14:29:46 <summatusmentis> I don't know that much about profiling he pre
Jun 20 14:29:48 <summatusmentis> the8
Jun 20 14:29:49 <summatusmentis> the*
Jun 20 14:29:52 <summatusmentis> guh, typing is hard
Jun 20 14:30:47 <stuffmc> what's "tacts.linker.js"?!                                                                                                                                                         "
Jun 20 14:31:19 <stuffmc> this is the sucker
Jun 20 14:31:57 <PatrickC> summatumentis: ebuak? ;)
Jun 20 14:32:17 <LoneStar99> time for breakfast
Jun 20 14:33:07 <dwc-> hm, I don't have a tacts.linker.js
Jun 20 14:33:13 <stuffmc> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/276976-battery-drain-palm-pre-2-w-o-any-apps-running.html
Jun 20 14:33:29 <stuffmc> I guess it's because my address book on Gmail is totally screwed up
Jun 20 14:33:34 <stuffmc> by syncing all over
Jun 20 14:33:59 <dwc-> if I had to guess, it reminds me of a contacts.linker.js that I don't know whether it exists or not ;)
Jun 20 14:34:04 <stuffmc> btw makes me thing if I move over to iCloud I'll have a problem… is there something like a MobileMe "link
Jun 20 14:34:10 <stuffmc> " from webOS?
Jun 20 14:35:55 <stuffmc> you're right
Jun 20 14:36:09 <stuffmc> how would "top" display the full name? :D
Jun 20 14:36:23 <stuffmc> there's also "cts.linkedin.js" sucking up the thing
Jun 20 14:36:24 <stuffmc> wow
Jun 20 14:36:43 <stuffmc> that's terribly bad… I guess it's a bug I should report :D
Jun 20 14:36:55 <stuffmc> ttyl folks, rebooting
Jun 20 14:37:20 <dwc-> I couldn't tell you about contacts syncing... I don't actually have it syncing my google or linkedin contacts
Jun 20 14:48:24 <PatrickC> did we solve stuffmc's problem?
Jun 20 14:49:02 <PatrickC> hey oilsanImposter, oilsanimpostah
Jun 20 14:49:54 <HattCzech_work> good morning (or whatever time of day it is for you)
Jun 20 14:50:14 <PatrickC> hey HattCzech! long time no see
Jun 20 14:54:11 <HattCzech_work> it has been a while
Jun 20 14:54:26 <HattCzech_work> work has been crazy busy and i haven't had time to play around with the things i enjoy
Jun 20 14:54:50 <LoneStar99> hello HattCzech_work
Jun 20 15:00:02 <PatrickC> the Bunny returns!!
Jun 20 15:02:25 <LoneStar99> when is the TP being released? July 19th?
Jun 20 15:03:04 <Tibfib> july 1st
Jun 20 15:04:06 <LoneStar99> oh wow, cool
Jun 20 15:06:02 <LoneStar99> do you all think it really matters if a a registration form is via web-view or native mojo?
Jun 20 15:06:21 <LoneStar99> i am talking about end user experience
Jun 20 15:07:07 <NuttyBunny> Hey everyone, hi! :D
Jun 20 15:07:38 <NuttyBunny> LoneStar99: Things look better if they're consistent across apps and screens :)
Jun 20 15:08:36 <NuttyBunny> If they see that everything in their phone is done with Mojo widgets, they'll feel weird filling a differently formatted web-view form
Jun 20 15:09:51 <LoneStar99> dilemma: fix web form to look like mojo 1 hour to make native mojo 5+ hours.... ??
Jun 20 15:12:35 <NuttyBunny> LoneStar99: Really? 5 hours?
Jun 20 15:12:46 <NuttyBunny> (well, I've been over a week trying to fix this enyo thing) ;)
Jun 20 15:13:18 <Tibfib> it doesn't take 5 hours to make a form into mojo
Jun 20 15:13:30 <Tibfib> of course it depends on the complexity... but still
Jun 20 15:14:22 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  i am including testing and all... i hate forms...
Jun 20 15:15:33 <LoneStar99> unless it is a search or login or password screen other than that all the error-checking, validation, etc, is just to time consuming... or maybe i amjust being lazy this morning
Jun 20 15:21:13 <NuttyBunny> maybe ;)
Jun 20 15:22:24 <LoneStar99> i opted for the quick fix, need to work on my other app, want to release by wednesday
Jun 20 15:26:35 <LoneStar99> i want to allow users to use "enter" button instead of tapping on a button for submitting...
Jun 20 15:26:44 <codeslaw> yo
Jun 20 15:26:47 <codeslaw> how it is
Jun 20 15:27:14 <NuttyBunny> LoneStar99: You can as well with Mojo :P
Jun 20 15:27:19 <NuttyBunny> hey codeslaw
Jun 20 15:27:42 <LoneStar99> do you all know the command of "enter" button
Jun 20 15:28:59 <LoneStar99> dev search brings up nothing =(
Jun 20 15:31:00 <NuttyBunny> brb
Jun 20 15:31:09 <LoneStar99> k
Jun 20 15:34:15 <dohtem> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/20/hp-touchpad-goes-up-for-pre-order-starting-at-500-will-be-avai/ -- nice list of retail locations
Jun 20 15:38:40 <LoneStar99> very impressive made of duck tape --> http://uoid.me/duck2
Jun 20 15:49:14 <sugardave> oilsworkn: got your email, thanks!  will check it out soon
Jun 20 15:49:26 <oilsworkn> that link may not work anymore
Jun 20 15:49:29 <oilsworkn> let me know, i can get ya another
Jun 20 15:49:34 <PatrickC> hey sugardave! oilsworkn: wirc in yet?
Jun 20 15:49:34 <sugardave> sure thing
Jun 20 15:49:49 <halfhalo> bleh.... to early in the morning for anything.
Jun 20 15:50:25 <PatrickC> halfhalo: its 8:48 by you?
Jun 20 15:50:30 <halfhalo> yes
Jun 20 15:50:49 <PatrickC> its 10:48 here lol
Jun 20 15:51:03 <PatrickC> time to start school, spaz, and my app
Jun 20 15:51:07 <LoneStar99> anyone know what the command for "enter button" is in mojo
Jun 20 15:51:14 <halfhalo> thats generally how time zones works.
Jun 20 15:51:26 <PatrickC> why Mojo? Enyo's where its at
Jun 20 15:52:35 <phoque_uni> LoneStar99, command or keycode?
Jun 20 15:53:14 <oilsworkn> PatrickC: adora was reviewing it last night and "accidentally hit the wrong button" and rejected us
Jun 20 15:53:19 <cwayne> so is anyone preordering the tp or waiting to see if we get a dev discount
Jun 20 15:53:39 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: was she in "oilsAnImposter" mode? lol
Jun 20 15:53:51 <oilsworkn> then she switched to "AdoraSux"
Jun 20 15:53:58 <PatrickC> I'm waiting for a dev discount.. (as I don't have $500 yet)
Jun 20 15:55:55 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: can't she un-reject it?
Jun 20 15:56:07 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: building my last mojo app
Jun 20 15:56:18 <PatrickC> Lonestar99: ah
Jun 20 15:56:46 * PatrickC has done built his last mojo app..
Jun 20 15:57:15 <LoneStar99> need the equivelent of instead of tapping a div for submit, just hitting hardware "return" "arrow" key for submit
Jun 20 15:58:10 <PatrickC> how about both?
Jun 20 15:58:42 <LoneStar99> or both that is fine
Jun 20 15:59:22 <LoneStar99> got the div button working fine, just need to implement "return" key functionality
Jun 20 15:59:42 <PatrickC> I think Spaz has that..
Jun 20 15:59:48 <PatrickC> spaz is open source
Jun 20 15:59:58 <sugardave> oilsworkn: so the link works, before I install do I still need to hand-make those 2 dirs you mentioned?
Jun 20 16:01:59 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: when in doubt, ask sugardave.. he knows all :)
Jun 20 16:02:42 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: lol
Jun 20 16:03:26 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you know the command for  hardware "return" "enter" key?
Jun 20 16:04:32 <sugardave> I don't think I know what you mean...in shells you can do ctrl-m :D
Jun 20 16:06:09 <PatrickC> sugardave: he wants to have it when you hit the hw enter button it does the same thing as if you hit an actual "Submit" button
Jun 20 16:06:42 <sugardave> oh, no clue...you can set up an event to watch keypresses and see what it is
Jun 20 16:07:28 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  ok cool, you know the event for key presses? will post my results
Jun 20 16:08:11 <sugardave> Mojo.Event.keypress
Jun 20 16:08:12 <PatrickC> sugardave: BFG Maps should be the default maps app for webos... ;)
Jun 20 16:08:22 <PatrickC> where can we suggest that?
Jun 20 16:08:40 <sugardave> PatrickC: developer forum:  [Feature Request] Blah blah blah
Jun 20 16:08:51 <codeslaw> starting tonigt, i'm porting all the paintr pro work in mojo to enyo
Jun 20 16:08:56 <PatrickC> which forum? or does it matter?
Jun 20 16:09:04 <sugardave> PatrickC: the developer forume
Jun 20 16:09:15 <sugardave> codeslaw: nice
Jun 20 16:09:27 <PatrickC> there are tons there.. does it matter?
Jun 20 16:09:30 <sugardave> codeslaw: you going to the Dallas webOS meetup thing?
Jun 20 16:09:39 <codeslaw> not sure yet, when are the dates again?
Jun 20 16:09:47 <sugardave> July 22, one-day thing, I think
Jun 20 16:09:51 <rwatkins> Dallas?  New York!
Jun 20 16:09:51 <LoneStar99> sugardave: thanks!
Jun 20 16:10:02 <codeslaw> i thought Ben moved to austin.. who wants to go to dallas anyway
Jun 20 16:10:15 * PatrickC wants one in Nashville
Jun 20 16:10:32 <PatrickC> or chattannooga, or Memphis, or Knoxville :)
Jun 20 16:10:49 <sugardave> codeslaw: heh, I know...apparently there were more votes for Austin, but Dallas is more "central" to the different options they put up
Jun 20 16:10:56 <rwatkins> Just have them fly someone out to your house, would be pretty much the same.
Jun 20 16:11:29 <codeslaw> terrible
Jun 20 16:11:29 <PatrickC> rwatkins: was that to me?
Jun 20 16:11:32 <codeslaw> but i'll see if i can make it
Jun 20 16:11:33 <rwatkins> yes
Jun 20 16:11:45 <PatrickC> lol.. there are other devs in this area :)
Jun 20 16:11:51 <halfhalo> bullshit
Jun 20 16:11:57 <sugardave> I THINK this is the one they talked to me about to do an Enyo presentation
Jun 20 16:11:59 <rwatkins> are there even people in that area?
Jun 20 16:11:59 <PatrickC> at least 1 other
Jun 20 16:12:03 <Loudergood> yeah your best bet would be Atlanta
Jun 20 16:12:22 <PatrickC> hmm.. Louiville?
Jun 20 16:13:54 <rwatkins> I've lived in LA, SF, Seattle, DC, and NY. I have a hard time believing people actually live anywhere but the coasts.  Though I hear rumors of this "Chicago".
Jun 20 16:14:33 <LoneStar99> the coast is awesome !
Jun 20 16:14:34 <Loudergood> there's also a thing call Houston I hear about...though it's almost near the ocean I think
Jun 20 16:14:45 <sugardave> this is awesome...mail -> bit.ly link to browser -> pops up card for Mojo Preware - > installs the .ipk
Jun 20 16:14:53 <sugardave> wosi, I love you! :D
Jun 20 16:14:55 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 20 16:15:14 <Loudergood> yeah it's nice
Jun 20 16:15:31 <Loudergood> don't think it works if you get the ipk attached to an email though
Jun 20 16:15:34 <PatrickC> I love wosi
Jun 20 16:15:44 <PatrickC> Loudergood: I believe it does
Jun 20 16:15:57 <sugardave> it does
Jun 20 16:16:01 <sugardave> if you set up the handler
Jun 20 16:16:04 <phoque_uni> how long does it take for an app to be accepted to the catalog?
Jun 20 16:16:15 <PatrickC> about 1 week
Jun 20 16:16:17 <phoque_uni> in other words, how may days do I have left to still arrive on time
Jun 20 16:16:18 <phoque_uni> ouch
Jun 20 16:16:19 <phoque_uni> :-D
Jun 20 16:16:25 <Loudergood> phoque_uni: just don't name it wirc ;)
Jun 20 16:17:44 <PatrickC> anyone working Spaz HD please PM me, I have a quick question
Jun 20 16:36:10 <NuttyBunny> huh?
Jun 20 16:36:18 <sugardave> AdoraSux: why are you sucking? :(
Jun 20 16:36:46 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 20 16:40:21 <LoneStar99> 2nd Rejection for my TP app =(
Jun 20 16:40:54 <rwatkins> what rejection reasons?  I'm kinda delaying to the last minute, but risk getting rejected ...
Jun 20 16:41:38 <NuttyBunny> bbl
Jun 20 16:41:39 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: what's the app do?
Jun 20 16:41:42 <PatrickC> cya
Jun 20 16:42:23 <LoneStar99> it is not really the app, but the form did not send a confirmation email to activate account
Jun 20 16:42:29 <LoneStar99> it is a chat app
Jun 20 16:43:02 <PatrickC> like, an IM app?
Jun 20 16:43:05 <LoneStar99> chat with dogs, cats, and horses in the 4th dimension.
Jun 20 16:43:23 <rwatkins> ah
Jun 20 16:43:35 <LoneStar99> all related to stephan hawking theories LOL,
Jun 20 16:44:44 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: http://uoid.me/bc3
Jun 20 16:45:23 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 20 16:45:27 <PatrickC> I've used that before
Jun 20 16:45:31 <LoneStar99> very mixed reviews, but next version will get it right
Jun 20 16:46:43 <sugardave> Buckaroo Banzai
Jun 20 16:49:14 <LoneStar99> if i do not have a video for TP version should i add the phone video link? or would that be ghetto?
Jun 20 16:49:39 * PatrickC doesn't do videos for any of his apps
Jun 20 16:50:20 <LoneStar99> no vid then for this time
Jun 20 16:53:18 <LoneStar99> 3rd version submitted for review!
Jun 20 16:54:31 <PatrickC> hey dkirker
Jun 20 16:54:53 <dkirker> hi
Jun 20 16:55:08 <PatrickC> how's Universe goin?
Jun 20 16:56:03 <dkirker> haven't really had time to work on it...
Jun 20 17:02:46 <sugardave> dkirker is making webkit his bitch
Jun 20 17:03:24 <LoneStar99> irc channel html5 sucks no one ever helps...
Jun 20 17:15:52 <LoneStar99> bummer that animated pngs are not widely supported yet
Jun 20 17:16:47 <sugardave> array of .pngs, loop through, display on a short timer, voila!
Jun 20 17:17:01 <sugardave> will likely kill your app, but there you go :D
Jun 20 17:17:09 <rwatkins> or one png, and use spriting in css to do it.
Jun 20 17:17:17 <Tibfib> OR USE MAGIC
Jun 20 17:17:23 <sugardave> MOJO WAS MAGIC
Jun 20 17:17:41 <Tibfib> sugardave: yeah, why'd you have to kill it
Jun 20 17:18:00 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  yeah i thought of that, but little much for a stupid png LOL
Jun 20 17:18:00 <sugardave> it had to die so that new hotness could live
Jun 20 17:18:08 <sugardave> it's lie, the law of the jungle or something, man
Jun 20 17:18:12 <sugardave> s/lie/like/
Jun 20 17:18:48 <Tibfib> freudian slip
Jun 20 17:18:56 <sugardave> :P
Jun 20 17:20:12 <LoneStar99> mojo rocks but not for long =(
Jun 20 17:21:10 <rwatkins> 11 days
Jun 20 17:21:27 <PatrickC> *if* it comes out of nda by then
Jun 20 17:21:48 <Tibfib> psh. Mojo is gonna rock on the pre3 for a whil
Jun 20 17:21:49 <Tibfib> e
Jun 20 17:22:04 <Tibfib> at least koto hopes so
Jun 20 17:22:47 <PatrickC> Tibfib haha
Jun 20 17:23:41 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: i hope so also
Jun 20 17:24:02 <LoneStar99> do not see my first complex enyo app out for atleast a month
Jun 20 17:24:43 <Tibfib> enyo is 1000 times faster than mojo
Jun 20 17:25:39 <rwatkins> "The TouchPad isn't a phone, so we don't have to get carrier approval to push out changes."  God you dont know how much I love that line.
Jun 20 17:25:46 <Tibfib> YES
Jun 20 17:25:53 <Tibfib> I was just thinking about that earlier
Jun 20 17:25:57 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: that is great to know, cuss one of my apps is gonna need all the speed it can get, might even have to build a PDK version
Jun 20 17:26:14 <Tibfib> well pdk doesn't gain enyo's speed :)
Jun 20 17:27:50 <rwatkins> not sure how that plays into a TouchPad with a carrier date connection - wonder if updates to those will end up lagging behind.
Jun 20 17:27:58 <rwatkins> s/date/data/
Jun 20 17:28:12 <Tibfib> I hope not
Jun 20 17:29:09 <rwatkins> ya, me to.  would suck both ways - wifi version getting held back due to approval of the non-wifi one, or more OS fragmentation.
Jun 20 17:30:45 <PatrickC> Tibfib: pm?
Jun 20 17:31:02 <Tibfib> sure
Jun 20 17:35:23 <ramitos_> has anyone got response from the "HP TouchPad developer promo"?
Jun 20 17:36:03 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 20 17:38:05 <LoneStar99> negative
Jun 20 17:38:41 <ramitos_> LoneStar99 you got a negative response? or you dont got any response?
Jun 20 17:39:52 <LoneStar99> sorry no response, but spoke with HP some ago about some dev stuff, and he mentioned about the dev TPads, but did not really tell if I would get one or not...
Jun 20 17:42:26 <LoneStar99> "some weeks ago"
Jun 20 17:43:13 <PatrickC> I got a call a few hours I sent in my email asking me if I wanted to preorder
Jun 20 17:44:20 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 20 17:44:27 <ramitos_> eish :/
Jun 20 17:44:48 <dkirker> I don't think that I have enough money saved up to go buy a TouchPad on the 1st
Jun 20 17:45:07 <LoneStar99> dkirker:  i 2nd that
Jun 20 17:45:20 <dkirker> I've been needed to stash my money
Jun 20 17:45:26 <dkirker> contract is almost up and all... :/
Jun 20 17:45:27 <PatrickC> Lonestar99, dkirker: I third that
Jun 20 17:45:40 <PatrickC> dkirker: didn't you get one? since you work for Palm?
Jun 20 17:45:45 <dkirker> I mean, I could buy one if I wanted too, but that is less money saved...
Jun 20 17:46:15 <dkirker> Not that I get to keep.
Jun 20 17:46:45 <ramitos_> i don't know how it work in USA, but i'm a university student, so... i really don't have money for the TP
Jun 20 17:46:45 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 20 17:47:19 <dkirker> ramitos_: American University students don't really have money either... Not after the government keeps increasing tuition (in state schools).
Jun 20 17:47:52 <LoneStar99> and book costs
Jun 20 17:48:02 <dkirker> hi AdoraSux ?... Not sure I understand the "sux" part :P
Jun 20 17:48:23 <ramitos_> yeah, and think about the financial crise in portugal, i think tuition is gonna grow next year
Jun 20 17:48:43 <ramitos_> LoneStar99 we don't need books. everything is on the pc
Jun 20 17:48:46 <PatrickC> dkirker: I don't either haha
Jun 20 17:49:00 * halfhalo is holding out for the threegees
Jun 20 17:49:06 <dkirker> I wish that schools would load text books on Kindles...
Jun 20 17:49:35 <ramitos_> dkirker all our lectures are in pdf's
Jun 20 17:49:45 <dkirker> nice!
Jun 20 17:49:47 <dkirker> well
Jun 20 17:49:49 <ramitos_> yeah :)
Jun 20 17:49:54 <dkirker> some prof put lectures up online
Jun 20 17:50:05 <dkirker> but, a lot still require us to purchase BIG text books
Jun 20 17:50:10 <ramitos_> all our profs put the pdf's online
Jun 20 17:50:18 <ramitos_> we have a platform for that
Jun 20 17:50:57 <ramitos_> an e-learning platform :)
Jun 20 17:51:09 <dkirker> BlackBoard
Jun 20 17:51:22 <dkirker> for Cal Poly, and a lot of other Universities
Jun 20 17:52:12 <LoneStar99> in the US we need to buy books so the big wigs at the publishing companies can afford 3 houses and private jets
Jun 20 17:53:03 <ramitos_> LoneStar99 dkirker i think in some curses like advocacy, that happens too
Jun 20 17:53:21 <LoneStar99> it is in the US constitution --> go to college so the executives can live lavishly while you can barely make it as a college student
Jun 20 17:53:38 <dkirker> well...
Jun 20 17:53:50 <ramitos_> LoneStar99 lol :)
Jun 20 17:54:12 <LoneStar99> unless you are like that 15yr kid that sold his cloud company to active state last week
Jun 20 17:54:18 <dkirker> I am sure that my college education has helped me a bit (grant it, I don't have a degree), I am making some decent money. At least for the foreseeable future...
Jun 20 17:54:28 <PatrickC> hey, I did no such thing :P
Jun 20 17:54:50 <LoneStar99> i loved college, but was nothing more than a partier
Jun 20 17:55:31 <dkirker> I wish I could have been one of those guys partying all weekend and getting shit done all week
Jun 20 17:55:53 <LoneStar99> animated png fix --> animated gif, with a grey background that matches the div layer
Jun 20 17:56:39 <LoneStar99> dkirker: it was fun, but took alot of risk that most would not have taken, and in some ways it cost me alot
Jun 20 17:57:46 <LoneStar99> i should have worked during college, that would have changed alot of things for me now, but oh well, viva el tequila!
Jun 20 17:57:50 <ramitos_> i like to study, but i'm 22 and i want to start working. And i still have one more year to complete
Jun 20 17:58:12 <dkirker> same here
Jun 20 17:58:25 <dkirker> 23, bad at studying, can be very motivated, and wanted to start working
Jun 20 17:58:30 <ramitos_> LoneStar99 i work since 18 in the vacations, and hollidays
Jun 20 17:58:32 <Tibfib> dkirker: yo! I'm going to apply for an internship next summer. You gonna be around?
Jun 20 17:58:41 <dkirker> Tibfib: hopefully!
Jun 20 17:59:13 <LoneStar99> work for big companies, that is all I can say
Jun 20 17:59:22 <dkirker> small ones can be cool too
Jun 20 18:00:10 <ramitos_> i would love to work in a start-up
Jun 20 18:00:26 <ramitos_> it must be exciting
Jun 20 18:00:41 <ramitos_> (ps: in "on" or "in"?)
Jun 20 18:00:46 <LoneStar99> yeah, but larger ones have greater competitive advantage
Jun 20 18:01:07 <LoneStar99> back to coding, not sure what the heck i was doing before
Jun 20 18:01:30 <dkirker> ramitos_: start ups are very exciting, but you are pretty much living over the edge
Jun 20 18:02:22 <ramitos_> yeah
Jun 20 18:07:08 <dawm|laptop> what did i miss? ive been off the nets for a few days
Jun 20 18:07:51 <Tibfib> nothing much
Jun 20 18:08:43 <ramitos_> gotta go
Jun 20 18:08:47 <ramitos_> cya
Jun 20 18:09:58 <LoneStar99> dawm|laptop: the end of the world in 2012...
Jun 20 18:17:05 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: hey!!
Jun 20 18:17:15 <PatrickC> ohman.. missed him :/
Jun 20 18:36:51 <Tibfib> Slick "Download movies from the HP MovieStore powered by RoxioNowTM to watch anywhere.(12)"
Jun 20 18:37:01 <Tibfib> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/full-spec-sheet-for-hp-touchpad-publicly-available/
Jun 20 18:38:05 <Flashpass> nice!
Jun 20 18:38:45 <hotdp> world wide?
Jun 20 18:39:18 <Tibfib> dunno
Jun 20 18:45:00 <HattCzech_work> chuqui: you around?
Jun 20 18:45:24 <AppDeveloperNeed> hi room, i know this is a chat specifically for WebOS Internalz...  but I figured this would be a great place to start as far as finding someone to point me in the right direction for finding an app developer. I want to pay to have an app developed for iPhone, Blackberry, WebOS, Android (and any other major platform I don't know of that is served in American, European and Asian markets)
Jun 20 18:45:31 <chuqui> HattCzech_work:  sorta. what's up?
Jun 20 18:45:38 <AppDeveloperNeed> err.. webOS not webOS internalz
Jun 20 18:45:50 <PatrickC> hey chuqui
Jun 20 18:47:45 <cwayne> AppDeveloperNeed: what kind of app?
Jun 20 18:48:33 <chuqui> PatrickC:  hey!
Jun 20 18:48:41 <cwayne> chuqui: is there a plan for discounted touchpads for devs, or should I just pre-order one?
Jun 20 18:48:50 <PatrickC> ^^ same question
Jun 20 18:49:08 <Tibfib> there is a plan, but not announced.
Jun 20 18:49:12 <hotdp> cwayne: yer
Jun 20 18:49:23 <hotdp> They are working on one, but no official
Jun 20 18:49:30 <hotdp> but there should be one close to lunch
Jun 20 18:49:43 <PatrickC> AppDeveloperNeed: what kind of app? and Mojo or Enyo for webos
Jun 20 18:50:07 <chuqui> cwayne:  nothing announced yet. being worked on. won't say when until it's actually done, just in case.
Jun 20 18:50:32 <hotdp> there we go :)
Jun 20 18:50:33 <Tibfib> but it will be as close to launch as possible, right?
Jun 20 18:50:34 <cwayne> chuqui: in your opnion, would it be enough of a discount to warrant waiting?
Jun 20 18:51:00 <AppDeveloperNeed> Patrick I must admit I'm not familiar enough with the difference...  The nonprofit I work for is looking to develop an app for tourists who visit the Town we are in, which is a top 25 Branded US City
Jun 20 18:51:17 <cwayne> they brand US cities?
Jun 20 18:51:23 <Tibfib> AppDeveloperNeed: you want enyo
Jun 20 18:51:24 <rwatkins> with a hot iron
Jun 20 18:51:27 <chuqui> cwayne:  [redacted]
Jun 20 18:51:33 <Tibfib> touche
Jun 20 18:51:35 <cwayne> chuqui: hrnggggggg
Jun 20 18:51:46 <AppDeveloperNeed> Every city in the world has a recognizable and valued "Brand"
Jun 20 18:52:01 <chuqui> cwayne:  seriously, depends on each idividual's situation, and how the final program will work out. which is why until it's actually announced, I'm not saying anything.
Jun 20 18:52:15 <Tibfib> I hope it is announced soon
Jun 20 18:52:39 <chuqui> Tibfib:  me, too. but it'll be announced when it's ready... and when it'll be ready is out of my hands.
Jun 20 18:52:45 <chuqui> (or it'd be announced already)
Jun 20 18:52:46 * rwatkins is just going to Best Buy on the 1st.  Traveling on teh 3rd, so cant wait on delivery.
Jun 20 18:52:47 <Tibfib> sure
Jun 20 18:53:03 <Tibfib> I'll have to see
Jun 20 18:53:21 <singmajesty> Yeah, I've learned the hard way to be careful about offering suggestions or promises based on things out of my hands :)
Jun 20 18:53:24 <AppDeveloperNeed> TibFib - i suppose I need to find an app developer who can code an app for enyo as well as iPhone, android, blackberry, and any major Euro or Asian platform other than those...  I'm not even sure WHERE to start looking
Jun 20 18:53:37 <chuqui> I understand, all. I cheerlead. But the wheels of bureaucracy grind slowly sometimes, because it's complicated and it needs to be done properly.
Jun 20 18:53:39 <Tibfib> AppDeveloperNeed: theymakeapps.com
Jun 20 18:53:43 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: Maybe you want a PhoneGap developer?
Jun 20 18:53:50 <Tibfib> that's a good suggestion
Jun 20 18:54:07 <AppDeveloperNeed> what is a PhoneGap Developer?
Jun 20 18:54:15 <AppDeveloperNeed> Ty TibFib - I'll check that website out
Jun 20 18:54:16 <hotdp> jQuery mobile or Sencha Touch
Jun 20 18:54:19 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: If you develop a web app on top of PhoneGap, it will deploy to all those platforms without requiring an app rewrite
Jun 20 18:54:42 <cwayne> chuqui: fair enough :)
Jun 20 18:54:47 <singmajesty> http://www.phonegap.com/
Jun 20 18:54:58 <PatrickC> hey singmajesty!
Jun 20 18:55:07 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 20 18:55:08 <Tibfib> chuqui: thanks
Jun 20 18:55:09 <AppDeveloperNeed> what is the process of starting at PhoneGap and getting an app approved by apple?
Jun 20 18:55:13 <Tibfib> bbl
Jun 20 18:55:21 <PatrickC> there.. fixed my issue
Jun 20 18:55:23 <PatrickC> back :)
Jun 20 18:55:35 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: So you get a web developer, familiar with apps development (HTML/Javascript/CSS)
Jun 20 18:55:41 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: Then you build for various platforms
Jun 20 18:56:13 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: Then you submit to HP, and have an approved app in less than a week (usually), or you pay Apple $100 and submit, and wait a couple months, maybe
Jun 20 18:56:41 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: The submission process varies a bit depending on the platform
Jun 20 18:56:42 <Tibfib_> hahahaahah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3gzee1cps
Jun 20 18:56:48 <Tibfib_> and now I'll bbl
Jun 20 18:57:37 <AppDeveloperNeed> excellent thanks singmajesty...
Jun 20 18:58:32 <singmajesty> AppDeveloperNeed: Sure. I hope that makes it easier to target each platform
Jun 20 18:58:55 <AdoraRox> there.. :)
Jun 20 18:59:00 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 20 19:00:01 <AdoraRox> grr... why won't this work :/
Jun 20 19:04:27 <PatrickC> 1 app down!
Jun 20 19:04:34 <PatrickC> 1 to go!!
Jun 20 19:14:20 <tyranir> where's the download for webos sdk 3?
Jun 20 19:14:39 <HattCzech_work> it may only be available to early access developers
Jun 20 19:16:51 <singmajesty> Yeah, it's only in early access right now
Jun 20 19:17:17 <singmajesty> The 2.0 SDK should be fine if you're doing C++ development, but you'll want to be a part of early access if you want to do Enyo development
Jun 20 19:17:37 <tyranir> How do you get early access?
Jun 20 19:18:18 <singmajesty> Send an email to pdc@palm.com
Jun 20 19:18:28 <singmajesty> Do you already have a developer account?
Jun 20 19:19:10 <singmajesty> If you don't have an account yet, go to developer.palm.com and create a developer account, then reference it in your email that you'd like to join the early access program
Jun 20 19:19:53 <tyranir> thanks
Jun 20 19:50:55 <LockSFoilsInAtta> hey all - I'm trying to create an app for WebOS - I have an Activated VZW Pre+ running 1.4.5.1 and two Bypassed VZW Pre+s one running 1.4.5 the other running 2.*
Jun 20 19:51:34 <LockSFoilsInAtta> I can't seem to find the developer SDK dl on palm's website
Jun 20 19:51:58 <LockSFoilsInAtta> i keep getting sent to an file not found html error page holder
Jun 20 19:57:06 <LoneStar99> what os?
Jun 20 20:12:24 <LockSFoilsInAtta> sorry - Windows 7
Jun 20 20:13:28 <LoneStar99> LockSFoilsInAtta: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#windows
Jun 20 20:13:34 <LoneStar99> both links work
Jun 20 20:17:33 <LockSFoilsInAtta> yeah - that's the WebOS 2.* sdk - I'm trying to dl the 1.4.5 sdk
Jun 20 20:21:11 <singmajesty> You can still develop 1.4.5 apps using the 2.0 SDK
Jun 20 20:21:18 <singmajesty> You wanted to test using the older emulator?
Jun 20 20:30:23 <PatrickC> LockSFoilsInAtta: I don't think the 1.4.5 Emulator is available anymore. you can still develop apps for 1.4.5 using the 2.1 SDK
Jun 20 20:30:31 <PatrickC> singmajesty: pm?
Jun 20 20:32:03 <sugardave> whoa I got money
Jun 20 20:32:17 <halfhalo> sugardave: don't lie
Jun 20 20:32:29 <PatrickC> sugardave: share :)
Jun 20 20:32:30 <Tibfib_> sugardave: share the wealth
Jun 20 20:32:51 <sugardave> LockSFoilsInAtta: you can dev 1.4.5 in the 2.x SDKs
Jun 20 20:32:56 <singmajesty> I think Chuq has it posted somewhere...
Jun 20 20:32:56 <singmajesty> ...but Softpedia seems to have it as well: http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Palm-Mojo-SDK-Download-144264.html
Jun 20 20:33:08 <singmajesty> (If you REALLY need it)
Jun 20 20:35:12 <LockSFoilsInAtta> awesome - thanks all...  yes I need to test in 1.4.5  -  client purchased 20 NIB Pre+s - their IT said to stay 1.4.5
Jun 20 20:37:46 <singmajesty> Ah, yeah, that's fine
Jun 20 20:37:59 <singmajesty> You're going to make some internal apps?
Jun 20 20:38:31 <LockSFoilsInAtta> yep
Jun 20 20:38:53 <singmajesty> Cool, well just remember you have a few options --
Jun 20 20:38:57 <LockSFoilsInAtta> for Natural Gas exploration companies in North Eastern Pennsylvania
Jun 20 20:39:06 <singmajesty> standard web app, Mojo app, or C/C++/native app
Jun 20 20:39:46 <singmajesty> So depending on what you're most comfortable with there are a number of technologies you can use to build it :)
Jun 20 20:40:25 <LockSFoilsInAtta> yeah - standard web...  no phone service required - mobile WIFI is only connection
Jun 20 20:40:57 <LockSFoilsInAtta> communicates directly with companiy servers running software...
Jun 20 20:41:01 <LockSFoilsInAtta> *company
Jun 20 20:41:55 <singmajesty> If you haven't already, I would recommend looking into Mojo for standard OS widgets, or potentially PhoneGap or another solution if you already have a web app you need to adapt for the phone
Jun 20 20:42:25 <singmajesty> Mojo is pretty easy to use, though, and the widget set would probably be nice for an application like that
Jun 20 20:42:43 <singmajesty> Enyo might be available in the future, but not for 1.4.5 yet
Jun 20 20:43:48 <LockSFoilsInAtta> apparently the CIO has a Pre+ is getting a TouchPad and Pre 3 - he's all about WebOS - so instead of getting tablets or netbooks - he procured 20 NIB pre+s for $700
Jun 20 20:44:04 <sugardave> visionary
Jun 20 20:44:18 <Tibfib> 700's pretty good
Jun 20 20:44:36 <leiru> singmajesty: nice to see you here. just know you from the forums.
Jun 20 20:44:50 <PatrickC> hey leiru
Jun 20 20:44:57 <leiru> heya PatrickC
Jun 20 20:45:15 <LockSFoilsInAtta> he uses his Pre+ to access the online portal they have - wants to clean up interface and increase funtionality
Jun 20 20:47:56 <sugardave> umm...does ctrl-alt-prtscr not work in Win 7?
Jun 20 20:47:59 <singmajesty> leiru: Yeah, for some reason I had forgotten about IRC entirely
Jun 20 20:48:21 <PatrickC> sugardave: I think its shift-prtscr
Jun 20 20:48:23 <singmajesty> I was excited when I remembered. I used to come on here a lot more around the time of the Palm Hot Apps competitions
Jun 20 20:48:36 <singmajesty> alt+prtscr?
Jun 20 20:48:49 <LockSFoilsInAtta> why don't you just hit prt sc??
Jun 20 20:48:57 <LockSFoilsInAtta> u just want a screen shot?
Jun 20 20:49:24 <singmajesty> sugardave: If you have Windows 7, just open the Snipping Tool
Jun 20 20:49:38 <singmajesty> It has options to take snapshots of an app, of a fixed region, etc.
Jun 20 20:49:52 <PatrickC> I forgot about the Snipping Tool
Jun 20 20:49:55 <LockSFoilsInAtta> snipping = apple's Snap Shot
Jun 20 20:49:58 <sugardave> snipping tool....
Jun 20 20:50:06 <LockSFoilsInAtta> apple shift 4
Jun 20 20:50:19 <sugardave> the answer I was looking for is alt+prtscr, capture focused window
Jun 20 20:50:19 <leiru> print in ubuntu :)
Jun 20 20:50:20 <singmajesty> Just change the Snip type. It's actually a lot easier than using Print Screen
Jun 20 20:50:39 <singmajesty> Yeah, I did Alt + Print Screen in Ubuntu a couple minutes ago, here.
Jun 20 20:51:01 <singmajesty> I plugged "searching" into DuckDuckGo, and the ad on the side said "Search with Google!"
Jun 20 20:51:12 <singmajesty> ...and the ad also said, "ads from Yahoo!"
Jun 20 20:51:22 <summatusmentis> does anyone actually use DuckDuckGo?
Jun 20 20:51:25 <leiru> yeah, alt+print for the selcted window - just print for the whole screen :)
Jun 20 20:51:29 <singmajesty> So Yahoo! served up a Google ad while searching on DuckDuckGo. Kind of ironic
Jun 20 20:51:36 <singmajesty> Well, I'm trying it out today
Jun 20 20:51:43 <singmajesty> Sort of reminds me of the "good old days" of Google
Jun 20 20:51:55 <singmajesty> Back before they had a taste of power...
Jun 20 20:51:55 <sugardave> I always used ctrl+alt...no idea why, and now it doesn't work anymore...stupid Windows :P
Jun 20 20:51:58 <summatusmentis> yeah, redditors get a hardon for it, seemingly
Jun 20 20:52:06 <summatusmentis> but I've never found a compelling reason to use it
Jun 20 20:53:14 <singmajesty> I'm going to give it a try, and see how it works
Jun 20 20:53:23 <singmajesty> I don't like how much data Google collects
Jun 20 20:53:29 <singmajesty> Not just from me... everything
Jun 20 20:53:35 <singmajesty> Google Voice, they take your phone conversations
Jun 20 20:53:54 <singmajesty> Google Calendar, Google Mail ... they openly say that they read your content
Jun 20 20:54:20 <singmajesty> It just makes me feel nervous. Add YouTube and such to the mix, and its like Google is a huge data vacuum, consuming all the data in the world they can find
Jun 20 20:55:46 <sugardave> information === power === money
Jun 20 20:56:05 <LockSFoilsInAtta> <--  shodan guy here
Jun 20 20:58:56 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: "they" "read"
Jun 20 20:59:24 <summatusmentis> I agree, the privacy issues are something to be wary of, but at least in terms of email, it's machines "reading" and analyzing the text
Jun 20 20:59:57 <LockSFoilsInAtta> what's worse is the gave away their code o readily that it's beyond easy to set up hacks into folks home PC
Jun 20 21:00:04 <LockSFoilsInAtta> or Mac for that matter
Jun 20 21:00:22 <summatusmentis> what?
Jun 20 21:00:37 <LockSFoilsInAtta> google's search engine...
Jun 20 21:01:22 <summatusmentis> are you suggesting that a) google gave away the code to their search engine and b) that allows hacking into personal machines?
Jun 20 21:02:56 <LockSFoilsInAtta> bing for that matter as well
Jun 20 21:03:23 <LockSFoilsInAtta> yes and no...
Jun 20 21:03:59 <summatusmentis> care to elaborate? as I understand your statements, they're just not true
Jun 20 21:04:09 <LockSFoilsInAtta> it has allowed for hacking into machines - as long as the end user is completely stupid and has basic computer skills - which is a significant portion of users..
Jun 20 21:04:26 <summatusmentis> oh, sure, searching makes hacking easier
Jun 20 21:04:34 <summatusmentis> but searhing makes everything easier
Jun 20 21:07:18 <LockSFoilsInAtta> redirects....
Jun 20 21:07:37 <summatusmentis> that's not Google's fault though
Jun 20 21:08:45 <LockSFoilsInAtta> yes and no...  I mean eventually the source would be out there...  they just speed up the process a little..
Jun 20 21:09:35 <summatusmentis> what source?
Jun 20 21:09:55 <LockSFoilsInAtta> take Sony PSN for example...  everyone knows it was an inside job - vie a handful of laid-off employees - which if sony had simply published it's code would have been done in two days by some kiddie hacker group
Jun 20 21:10:41 <summatusmentis> uh huh...
Jun 20 21:11:14 <LockSFoilsInAtta> you can phreak access and redirects via the Web Developer Source google released publicly 11 months ago..
Jun 20 21:13:50 <LockSFoilsInAtta> 5:10 - my day was done at 5...   look it up though - i think all the big players - google, apple, microsoft et al are simply letting us kill ourselves to come begging for them to control everything
Jun 20 21:19:20 <singmajesty> *sigh*
Jun 20 21:20:17 <sugardave> agree..I though I had this nut craked, but Google said "no"
Jun 20 21:33:22 <LoneStar99> we need to ask "the google" for permission to go out past midnight
Jun 20 21:38:20 <dwc-> ctrl+alt+prtscreen, so close to ctrl-alt-other-dangerous-stuff
Jun 20 21:39:08 <Tibfib> dangerous?
Jun 20 21:39:10 <rwatkins> i like how the Samsung Galaxy S devices just reboot when you press the vol and power buttons at the same time.
Jun 20 21:39:18 <dwc-> in older versions of windows, and on some keyboards, yes
Jun 20 21:39:40 <rwatkins> Holding your phone in your hand, decide to squeeze for vol up?  Oops, also squeezed a bit on the other side too - reboot!
Jun 20 21:39:41 <dwc-> 2/3/9x/me
Jun 20 21:39:51 <summatusmentis> rwatkins: hah, really?
Jun 20 21:39:54 <rwatkins> really
Jun 20 21:40:10 <Popple3> rwatkins: That is quite fail
Jun 20 21:40:18 <rwatkins> had one for a few weeks, did it almost daily,
Jun 20 21:42:22 <LoneStar99> nice reboot at your fingertips "there is an app for that"
Jun 20 21:43:34 <sugardav1> okaaaaay
Jun 20 21:43:52 * oilsworkn blames sugardav1 
Jun 20 21:44:07 <oilsworkn> did it work sugardave?
Jun 20 21:44:14 <summatusmentis> are any of you on t-mobile?
Jun 20 21:44:14 <sugardave> I got it installed
Jun 20 21:44:25 <sugardave> but is it supposed to do things?
Jun 20 21:44:29 * dwc- is on t-mobile
Jun 20 21:44:30 <sugardave> because it doesn't :D
Jun 20 21:44:46 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 20 21:44:53 <sugardave> oh :s
Jun 20 21:44:56 <summatusmentis> dwc-: d'you like it? any chance you're on prepaid?
Jun 20 21:44:57 <oilsworkn> did you create those folders before installing?
Jun 20 21:44:59 <sugardave> I made those 2 dirs
Jun 20 21:45:01 <sugardave> yeah
Jun 20 21:45:03 <oilsworkn> hm
Jun 20 21:45:12 <dwc-> I like it fine.  I am not on prepaid.
Jun 20 21:45:14 <oilsworkn> try novaterm and cd to the apps dir and sh pmPostInstall.script
Jun 20 21:45:24 <sugardave> mayve I typo'd the app id I want to look at
Jun 20 21:45:47 <summatusmentis> dwc-: the reason I ask, if pre3 doesn't come to sprint, I'm considering prepaid gsm w/ an unlocked pre3
Jun 20 21:45:58 <summatusmentis> but their prepaid pricing page is awful
Jun 20 21:46:14 <dwc-> be aware that you will not get 3g on tmo
Jun 20 21:46:20 <summatusmentis> at all?
Jun 20 21:46:23 <summatusmentis> duly noted
Jun 20 21:46:24 <oilsworkn> BOO
Jun 20 21:46:26 <summatusmentis> that bites
Jun 20 21:46:29 <oilsworkn> but you do get 4G haha
Jun 20 21:46:34 <dwc-> yea, different frequencies
Jun 20 21:46:36 <oilsworkn> cause its the same as edge
Jun 20 21:46:46 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: icwutudidthere
Jun 20 21:46:57 * oilsworkn can't wait for vzw or att to be like "5G IS HERE"
Jun 20 21:47:01 <dwc-> what?
Jun 20 21:47:13 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 21:47:15 <dwc-> tmobile "4g" is tmobile "3g" I thought ... same with at&t
Jun 20 21:47:21 <sugardave> ah
Jun 20 21:47:23 <sugardave> there we go
Jun 20 21:47:25 <summatusmentis> dwc-: it is
Jun 20 21:47:27 <oilsworkn> dwc-: it was a joke
Jun 20 21:47:32 <sugardave> sh pmPostInstall.sh ftw
Jun 20 21:47:37 <oilsworkn> probably a very bad one
Jun 20 21:47:39 <summatusmentis> even vzw "4g" isn't technically 4g, following the standards
Jun 20 21:47:54 <dwc-> summatusmentis: on the plus side, tmo EDGE is pretty fast
Jun 20 21:48:04 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 21:48:08 <sugardave> oil, awesome
Jun 20 21:48:14 <dwc-> ... and I have grandfathered dumbphone data, so it's $5/unlimited
Jun 20 21:48:23 <summatusmentis> noice
Jun 20 21:48:24 <oilsworkn> :)
Jun 20 21:48:51 <summatusmentis> dwc-: that does make my decision about prepaid easier though :)
Jun 20 21:49:06 <summatusmentis> it means I don't have to care about their "4g" plans
Jun 20 21:49:28 * oilsworkn dreams of a world where he can pay for only one unlimited connection to the net and have it work everywhere
Jun 20 21:49:39 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 20 21:50:23 <summatusmentis> dwc-: oooh, that means I could do the $15/mo unlimited text + $0.10/minute, and the $2/day data
Jun 20 21:50:27 <sugardave> wow, that would be SOOOOO easy and helpful
Jun 20 21:50:33 <sugardave> doomed to never happen
Jun 20 21:50:48 <dwc-> summatusmentis: at&t and rogers run 3g on 850mhz
Jun 20 21:51:02 <summatusmentis> which, based on my minute usage, would put me at about $60/mo
Jun 20 21:51:05 <summatusmentis> which isn't terrible
Jun 20 21:51:11 <dwc-> tmo uses the regionally assigned 1700/2100
Jun 20 21:51:13 <oilsworkn> ~j@mason.preware.org eh jhojho``?
Jun 20 21:51:14 <sugardave> If Google had nads, I'd kick them really hard
Jun 20 21:51:58 <oilsworkn> uhoh
Jun 20 21:52:21 <summatusmentis> dwc-: yeh
Jun 20 21:52:39 <summatusmentis> I just want gsm to be reasonable, but it seems like it almost isn't in the US
Jun 20 21:52:57 <dwc-> oilsworkn: my pal has a sprint 4g/3g hotspot
Jun 20 21:53:07 <dwc-> replaced his vz dsl and his at&t data plan
Jun 20 21:53:24 <oilsworkn> while a good solution, still not optimal
Jun 20 21:53:42 <summatusmentis> att lets you have a smartphone w/o a dataplan?
Jun 20 21:53:47 <oilsworkn> then you gotta carry that little box everywhere with you
Jun 20 21:53:54 <dwc-> they do if you don't get it from them!
Jun 20 21:54:08 <summatusmentis> interesting
Jun 20 21:54:14 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: meh, toss it in a backpack
Jun 20 21:54:29 <oilsworkn> "my phone has power but my hotspot doesnt" and viceversa
Jun 20 21:54:35 <summatusmentis> granted
Jun 20 21:55:21 <oilsworkn> and i've never had a good experience with online gaming when using wireless connections
Jun 20 21:55:53 <dwc-> oilsworkn: he hotwired up a mintyboost that uses pre batteries
Jun 20 21:56:02 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 21:56:03 <dwc-> (of which he has 4 or 5 of them)
Jun 20 21:56:16 <Loudergood> yeah I don't know what it is about 3g that screws up the latency so badly
Jun 20 21:56:17 <oilsworkn> so im just complaining and he is actually trying to make it work
Jun 20 21:56:21 <oilsworkn> my way is easier
Jun 20 21:56:24 <dwc-> so he has a usb charger for his hotspot or his pre
Jun 20 21:56:50 <oilsworkn> yeah, i've got a boatload of pre batteries
Jun 20 21:57:00 <Loudergood> I regularly ping customers from work over multiple wireless hops out to about 30 miles or so
Jun 20 21:57:21 <dwc-> wireless is always slow
Jun 20 21:57:22 <Loudergood> and it's 20-30ms
Jun 20 21:57:27 <oilsworkn> ever since i learned from rwhitby about the "thumb" pocket in jeans being the PERFECT size for a spare pre batt
Jun 20 21:57:48 <dwc-> what's a good source for pre batteries... I should get a spare
Jun 20 21:57:54 <oilsworkn> @ nyc
Jun 20 21:58:06 <summatusmentis> I need a better way to charge my spare pre batt
Jun 20 21:58:13 <summatusmentis> other than my old centro :)
Jun 20 21:58:32 <oilsworkn> i replaced my pre when the slider broke off, and they were like "send everything but no back cover of batteries"
Jun 20 21:58:37 <oilsworkn> or*
Jun 20 21:58:44 <oilsworkn> so i ended up with an extra
Jun 20 21:58:55 <oilsworkn> then the replacement had audio problems when on a call, and so then i had 2 spare
Jun 20 21:59:05 <summatusmentis> dwc-: I bought mine on amazon for like $6
Jun 20 21:59:22 <oilsworkn> and i use my dev devices as charging stations
Jun 20 21:59:31 <oilsworkn> since its always plugged in for dev anyways
Jun 20 21:59:34 <oilsworkn> it makes a great charger
Jun 20 22:00:10 <summatusmentis> some of us don't have dev devices
Jun 20 22:00:19 <oilsworkn> :(
Jun 20 22:00:31 <summatusmentis> but that's essentially what I do with my centro
Jun 20 22:00:33 <dwc-> summatusmentis: link?
Jun 20 22:00:38 <summatusmentis> just leave it plugged in and put the battery in it
Jun 20 22:00:42 <oilsworkn> someone sells a battery charger
Jun 20 22:00:49 <oilsworkn> i know ive seen it
Jun 20 22:00:53 <oilsworkn> it just charges batteries
Jun 20 22:01:01 <summatusmentis> dwc-: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=pre+battery&x=0&y=0
Jun 20 22:01:09 <singmajesty> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15313
Jun 20 22:01:12 <summatusmentis> pardon me, $2.75
Jun 20 22:01:13 <singmajesty> "fat" packaging is go
Jun 20 22:01:29 <dwc-> summatusmentis: I can search ... I was looking more for the specific vendor or etc.
Jun 20 22:01:36 <singmajesty> (Mojo + Enyo in the same IPK)
Jun 20 22:01:37 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 20 22:01:39 <dwc-> since there's shitty batteries out there and decent ones
Jun 20 22:01:40 <summatusmentis> no idea
Jun 20 22:01:44 <dwc-> and I was hoping for one that didn't suck too much
Jun 20 22:02:00 <summatusmentis> the cheap ones that I bought were palm OEM batteries, and have been working fine
Jun 20 22:02:15 <oilsworkn> singmajesty: cool
Jun 20 22:02:25 <rwatkins> congrats!
Jun 20 22:02:35 <dwc-> ok, thanks
Jun 20 22:10:45 <Tibfib> singmajesty: good job!
Jun 20 22:11:58 <LoneStar99> buy only OEM batteries,  knockoff totally suck
Jun 20 22:12:09 <LoneStar99> from a reputable seller
Jun 20 22:13:44 <LoneStar99> have an  knockoff  "HP" laptop battery that i bought as OEM, has lasted like 6 months, lasts like 10 minutes and dies at 50 percent
Jun 20 22:13:55 <LoneStar99> i thought was OEM
Jun 20 22:14:27 <LoneStar99> bought it  in eBay --> "ChinaBay"
Jun 20 22:14:30 <LoneStar99> brb
Jun 20 22:20:38 <singmajesty> I love my KVM, by the way
Jun 20 22:20:48 <singmajesty> Completely unrelated, but it feels nice to say so :)
Jun 20 22:22:03 <PatrickC_Away> singmajesty: cool, and KVM? lol
Jun 20 22:22:26 <halfhalo> google is your friend
Jun 20 22:22:58 <sugardave> no
Jun 20 22:23:03 <sugardave> today it's my mortal enemy
Jun 20 22:23:11 <sugardave> haeffb: can take a break
Jun 20 22:23:24 <oilsworkn> be kind to the google
Jun 20 22:23:31 <Tibfib> NOT TEH GOOGLEZ
Jun 20 22:23:35 * sugardave kicks Google hard.
Jun 20 22:23:39 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 20 22:23:41 <sugardave> stupid analytics
Jun 20 22:23:48 <haeffb> eh, what?
Jun 20 22:23:49 <oilsworkn> we don't want it holding a grudge when it enslaves the human race
Jun 20 22:23:50 <PatrickC_Away> lol
Jun 20 22:24:15 <haeffb> oh, from the foe thing. Right, it was getting tiresome anyhow.
Jun 20 22:24:18 <singmajesty> PatrickC: I think KVM is short for "keyboard video mouse"
Jun 20 22:24:20 <sugardave> haha
Jun 20 22:24:39 <Tibfib> Killer video machines
Jun 20 22:24:40 * oilsworkn usually refers to them as "KVM Switch"
Jun 20 22:24:46 <singmajesty> PatrickC: I have my work laptop and my personal desktop plugged into my mouse, keyboard and monitor, and I can switch between them by pressing Ctrl+Ctrl+Enter on the keyboard
Jun 20 22:24:46 * haeffb thinking about rewriting the entire sync code
Jun 20 22:25:00 <halfhalo> singmajesty: you need more monitors
Jun 20 22:25:11 <haeffb> but first, grill some chicken!
Jun 20 22:25:12 <singmajesty> I would have tried Synergy if I had two monitors
Jun 20 22:25:16 <oilsworkn> 3 minimum
Jun 20 22:25:23 * Tibfib has 4.5
Jun 20 22:25:31 * PatrickC has 5
Jun 20 22:25:35 <singmajesty> I should get a pair of glasses
Jun 20 22:25:38 <PatrickC> 4 are under 4"
Jun 20 22:25:40 <singmajesty> One screen on each eye
Jun 20 22:25:45 <singmajesty> Then I could see them both at the same time
Jun 20 22:25:47 <Tibfib> totally
Jun 20 22:25:50 <singmajesty> At get dizzy
Jun 20 22:25:51 <singmajesty> :S
Jun 20 22:25:54 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 20 22:25:56 <singmajesty> And get dizzy
Jun 20 22:25:59 <singmajesty> ;)
Jun 20 22:26:01 <halfhalo> PatrickC: those are screens.  NOT computer monitors
Jun 20 22:26:08 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 20 22:26:23 <PatrickC> they are mini computers ;)
Jun 20 22:26:33 * oilsworkn has too many "screens" to count, but only 3 monitors hooked to his pc
Jun 20 22:26:38 <Tibfib> we are talking about monitors
Jun 20 22:27:07 * halfhalo has 4 computer monitors connected to desktop and mac mini, and random laptops around him
Jun 20 22:27:10 <sugardave> if I could just see the unminified ga.js source, this would be a lot easier to figure out
Jun 20 22:27:45 <PatrickC> oh.. my computer has HDMI/RCA out.. so all the screens in my house are monitors :P
Jun 20 22:28:11 <Tibfib> sugardave: what is ga.js?
Jun 20 22:28:28 <sugardave> Tibfib: Google Analytics script
Jun 20 22:28:35 <Tibfib> ah
Jun 20 22:28:41 * halfhalo maintains a computer monitor must have vga and or dvi
Jun 20 22:29:32 <rwatkins> sugardave: what, a.Mc = function(b, e, o) { ... etc  is not obvious?
Jun 20 22:29:35 <oilsworkn> what about svideo to a tv?
Jun 20 22:29:48 <halfhalo> who the hell uses svideo nowadays?
Jun 20 22:29:51 <oilsworkn> or HDMI?
Jun 20 22:29:57 <rwatkins> or "S(m.G()) + a.wa(), a.s, a.c, v, r, q);"
Jun 20 22:30:01 <sugardave> rwatkins: it may just be me, but no
Jun 20 22:30:03 <oilsworkn> my main monitor uses a dvi->hdmi adaptor
Jun 20 22:30:14 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 20 22:30:22 * oilsworkn believes it must be at least vga/dvi/hdmi in that 
Jun 20 22:30:53 <singmajesty> Mine has DVI
Jun 20 22:31:02 <singmajesty> the HP laptop has DisplayPort out
Jun 20 22:31:04 <halfhalo> oilsworkn: that counts since hdmi and dvi are electrically compatible
Jun 20 22:31:11 <oilsworkn> what about displayport!
Jun 20 22:31:17 <singmajesty> I almost did DisplayPort -> HDMI -> DVI, but ended up going DisplayPort -> DVI instead
Jun 20 22:31:19 <halfhalo> same as hdmi/dvi
Jun 20 22:31:36 <singmajesty> HDMI = DVI + audio, right?
Jun 20 22:31:44 <halfhalo> basically, yes
Jun 20 22:31:48 <oilsworkn> +copy protection
Jun 20 22:31:52 <sugardave> woo
Jun 20 22:31:53 <Tibfib> sugardave: aren't there ways to unminify code?
Jun 20 22:31:54 <singmajesty> I think DisplayPort is maybe a bit more flexible?
Jun 20 22:32:03 <singmajesty> (without audio, though)
Jun 20 22:32:03 <halfhalo> hdmi can do more like ethernety stuff as well
Jun 20 22:32:09 <sugardave> Tibfib: I think so...but then I can't bitch as much
Jun 20 22:32:16 <Tibfib> hahahaah
Jun 20 22:32:22 * oilsworkn wants his displays to run on cat5
Jun 20 22:32:22 <halfhalo> singmajesty: displayport is royalty free vs hdmi
Jun 20 22:32:22 <sugardave> see, I had this shit registering with GA last night
Jun 20 22:32:27 <sugardave> and now today it won't
Jun 20 22:32:48 <rwatkins> I have a version with proper intention, but the variable renaming is un-reversable.
Jun 20 22:32:57 <rwatkins> s/intention/indention/
Jun 20 22:33:30 <Tibfib> ah, that's true
Jun 20 22:33:35 <sugardave> yeah, I have that, too
Jun 20 22:34:56 <sugardave> it looks like _gaq just isn't doing its job...it's getting what I push into it, just never calling back to the mothership
Jun 20 22:35:24 <rwatkins> always, or sometimes?
Jun 20 22:35:31 <sugardave> right now always
Jun 20 22:35:39 <rwatkins> I've got it in my app and it was logging
Jun 20 22:35:55 <sugardave> I've been making new site profiles left and right and they don't even show that tracking is registered
Jun 20 22:36:01 <sugardave> ONE did last night
Jun 20 22:36:09 <sugardave> but then no events/page views ever came
Jun 20 22:36:18 * rwatkins has events.
Jun 20 22:36:19 <oilsworkn> sugardave websites?
Jun 20 22:36:30 <sugardave> oilsworkn: no, apps
Jun 20 22:36:36 <sugardave> an app
Jun 20 22:36:54 <rwatkins> i also made an actual dns entry for my apps site profile, but dont know if that was strictly necessary.
Jun 20 22:37:00 <oilsworkn> sugardave apps?
Jun 20 22:37:31 <sugardave> sample app
Jun 20 22:37:54 <rwatkins> papermache.app.ryanwatkins.net
Jun 20 22:37:59 <oilsworkn> sugardave sample app?
Jun 20 22:38:14 <sugardave> no :D
Jun 20 22:38:27 <sugardave> rwatkins: cool, I have that
Jun 20 22:38:37 <sugardave> I will peek in there to see what you are doing :D
Jun 20 22:38:53 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 20 22:38:55 <rwatkins> sure
Jun 20 22:38:56 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 20 22:39:20 <rwatkins> sugardave: you may also need to make sure you call _setAccount at the beginning as well.
Jun 20 22:39:29 <rwatkins> before going off and logging page views and events.
Jun 20 22:39:32 <oilsworkn> metrix?
Jun 20 22:39:38 <rwatkins> google analytics
Jun 20 22:39:52 <oilsworkn> i know heh
Jun 20 22:40:01 <sugardave> rwatkins: yeah, I see where they are doing it in the original Mojo sample
Jun 20 22:40:16 <sugardave> (which works just fine) :/
Jun 20 22:40:48 <rwatkins> sugardave: take a look at my code, I just didnt yet do the stuff to queue the offline events.
Jun 20 22:41:12 <sugardave> rwatkins: cool, tar'ing it now...thanks!
Jun 20 22:42:15 <rwatkins> did take several hours before events started showing up
Jun 20 22:42:43 <sugardave> rwatkins: yeah, I noticed that, too...but what about initial recognition that tracking is enabled?
Jun 20 22:43:01 <sugardave> do you remember if it had a checkmark pretty fast and then you ahd to wait for events?
Jun 20 22:43:54 <rwatkins> sugardave: hm, dont recall unfortunately.  it was certainly the same day but not sure if it was immediate, as I also did the DNS stuff and had to wait for that to get out.
Jun 20 22:44:07 <sugardave> alright
Jun 20 22:47:32 <tyranir> are there reference docs for enyo?
Jun 20 22:47:51 <sugardave> nothing for Enyo is outside the NDA yet
Jun 20 22:47:56 <tyranir> the videos make it seem like developing for 2.x and 3.x is pretty different
Jun 20 22:48:19 <sugardave> the difference between Mojo and Enyo is substantial
Jun 20 22:48:28 <Popple3> Enyo is awesome
Jun 20 22:48:32 <Popple3> that is all
Jun 20 22:48:33 <Popple3> :P
Jun 20 22:48:37 <singmajesty> If you're using PhoneGap or something, there aren't differences, or C/C++
Jun 20 22:48:45 <singmajesty> ...but yeah, big differences between Mojo and Enyo
Jun 20 22:48:54 * oilsworkn gets "<3 Mojo" tattoo
Jun 20 22:48:54 <singmajesty> Hey, Popple3, remember we're under NDA
Jun 20 22:48:56 <tyranir> i'm just trying to get started
Jun 20 22:49:04 <singmajesty> Not sure if we're allowed to say its awesome
Jun 20 22:49:07 <singmajesty> May be too revealing
Jun 20 22:49:09 <singmajesty> ;)
Jun 20 22:49:15 <Popple3> singmajesty: But but but..... :P
Jun 20 22:49:15 <Flashpass> lol
Jun 20 22:49:28 <tyranir> and wondering how to get a 'hello world' app running in the emulator
Jun 20 22:49:33 <oilsworkn> sugardave works for palm too, he's gonna bring down the hammer
Jun 20 22:49:36 <singmajesty> It suggests that the content within is not mediocre, which comm..
Jun 20 22:49:41 <Tibfib> sugardave don't do nuthing
Jun 20 22:49:44 <halfhalo> hammer of awesomeness
Jun 20 22:49:51 * Popple3 runs
Jun 20 22:49:51 <oilsworkn> hammer of daveness
Jun 20 22:50:06 <singmajesty> Enyo is awesome
Jun 20 22:50:17 <Tibfib> BRING THE HAMMER BRING THE HAMMER
Jun 20 22:50:35 * oilsworkn codes his touchpad apps in mojo for shits and giggles
Jun 20 22:50:46 <Tibfib> lolz
Jun 20 22:50:47 <singmajesty> Is Dave Thor, all of a sudden?
Jun 20 22:51:00 <Tibfib> Preware 2.0 baby!
Jun 20 22:51:09 <oilsworkn> the only good thing about that movie is that portman was in it
Jun 20 22:51:19 <CTLAdvance> Good afternoon, evening etc everyone
Jun 20 22:51:37 <Popple3> oilsworkn: Did you implement [redacted] and [redacted] in Mojo? :O :P
Jun 20 22:52:06 <oilsworkn> not knowing what redacted is, I'm going to confidently answer YES
Jun 20 22:52:27 <dwc-> oilsworkn: a number of kvm solutions *do* run over cat5, actually
Jun 20 22:52:44 <oilsworkn> right
Jun 20 22:52:45 <Popple3> oilsworkn: I'd expect no less from you :P
Jun 20 22:52:50 <oilsworkn> i've seen them do that to chain them together
Jun 20 22:52:57 <oilsworkn> but its not like the monitor has a cat5 port
Jun 20 22:53:34 <dwc-> of course not... cat5 is a cabling standard, and has nothing to do with ports ;)
Jun 20 22:53:50 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 22:53:59 <halfhalo> my monitor runs off of two cans and a string
Jun 20 22:54:18 <dwc-> can 2s?
Jun 20 22:54:25 <oilsworkn> thats not a monitor, thats a telephone
Jun 20 22:54:36 <Popple3> halfhalo: Mine runs off toucans
Jun 20 22:55:04 <Popple3> .......... I'll leave now...... Sorry :P
Jun 20 22:55:12 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 22:55:17 <dwc-> how many toucans?
Jun 20 22:55:24 * oilsworkn was about to say his runs off bad jokes
Jun 20 22:55:33 <oilsworkn> lets just say its at full power
Jun 20 22:55:36 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: portman may have been the only good thing, but damn was she a good thing about that movie
Jun 20 22:55:39 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 20 22:55:45 <oilsworkn> summatusmentis: haha
Jun 20 22:55:52 <oilsworkn> it was a good "setup this character" movie
Jun 20 22:55:58 <summatusmentis> indeed
Jun 20 22:55:59 <Popple3> dwc-: 12, they really work hard to keep things going
Jun 20 22:55:59 <oilsworkn> obviously the first part of something larger
Jun 20 22:56:06 <dwc-> anyone seen green lantern? the preview looked awful
Jun 20 22:56:11 <summatusmentis> I have not yet
Jun 20 22:56:11 <halfhalo> i did
Jun 20 22:56:12 * oilsworkn hasn't yet
Jun 20 22:56:15 <halfhalo> it was decent
Jun 20 22:56:19 * Popple3 hasn't and doesn't plan on it
Jun 20 22:56:22 <summatusmentis> but natalie portman isn't in it, so I'm lesss interested
Jun 20 22:56:25 * oilsworkn probably will
Jun 20 22:56:32 <oilsworkn> just because i like superhero movies
Jun 20 22:56:40 <Tibfib> just take a cardboard cutout with you to the movie
Jun 20 22:56:45 <Tibfib> @ summatusmentis
Jun 20 22:56:51 <summatusmentis> I probably will too, because I live in Maine and there's nothing else to do
Jun 20 22:56:56 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: people would look at me funny
Jun 20 22:57:00 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 20 22:57:05 <Tibfib> but you're in maine.
Jun 20 22:57:20 <oilsworkn> they'd be like "i dont know who that guy is, but portman is next to him, so he must be awesome"
Jun 20 22:57:23 <summatusmentis> and lord knows that never happens to me
Jun 20 22:57:24 <dwc-> you can go umm, lobster fishing
Jun 20 22:57:26 <Tibfib> exactly!
Jun 20 22:57:27 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: people ALREADY look at you funny
Jun 20 22:57:36 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: I have dreads, you speak the truth
Jun 20 22:57:47 <oilsworkn> ohh
Jun 20 22:57:48 <summatusmentis> dwc-: you don't fish for lobsters, you lay traps :)
Jun 20 22:57:50 * oilsworkn was going to go dreads but i like showering
Jun 20 22:57:59 <summatusmentis> I shower daily, thank you
Jun 20 22:58:02 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 22:58:03 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 20 22:58:09 <Popple3> speaking of people looking at people weirdly, after weeks of weird looks, I finally got my first "awesome t-shirt" for my Nyan Cat t-shirt :D Totally worth it for that lol
Jun 20 22:58:14 <oilsworkn> the only dreads i've ever seen are super nasty
Jun 20 22:58:22 <halfhalo> hah
Jun 20 22:58:23 <oilsworkn> i didn't know there was a clean way to make them
Jun 20 22:58:40 <summatusmentis> well, you don't wash your hair as much as "normal", but that's actually better for your scalp
Jun 20 22:58:49 <summatusmentis> and you definitely can wash tehm
Jun 20 22:58:54 <Tibfib> lies
Jun 20 22:58:59 <Tibfib> conspiracy
Jun 20 22:58:59 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 22:59:06 <summatusmentis> it's entirely possible to be hygienic with dreads :)
Jun 20 22:59:12 <oilsworkn> dirty dirty hippie
Jun 20 22:59:14 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 20 22:59:16 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 20 22:59:20 * oilsworkn kids
Jun 20 22:59:21 <dwc-> psh, traps. get your scuba gear and go chase them down
Jun 20 22:59:29 <summatusmentis> hah, that would not work very well
Jun 20 22:59:40 <summatusmentis> also, it'd be really effing cold
Jun 20 22:59:48 <Popple3> dwc- That's how real men catch lobsters
Jun 20 22:59:54 <Tibfib> that's what bear gryls does
Jun 20 22:59:57 <dwc-> Popple3: nah, real men don't wear scuba gear
Jun 20 23:00:00 <oilsworkn> then drinks his piss
Jun 20 23:00:03 <Popple3> dwc-: Touché
Jun 20 23:00:10 <halfhalo> real men can breathe underwater
Jun 20 23:00:16 <Tibfib> like mermaids
Jun 20 23:00:18 <oilsworkn> no, those are fish
Jun 20 23:00:26 <Popple3> Tibfib: MerMAN
Jun 20 23:00:42 <Tibfib> mermaid men
Jun 20 23:00:43 <dwc-> mmm, this new weird al album is pretty funny
Jun 20 23:02:35 <Popple3> oh yeah, I was reclaiming my desk from random crap
Jun 20 23:02:41 * Popple3 goes and does that
Jun 20 23:03:02 <halfhalo> bah, random crap is the best kind!
Jun 20 23:03:08 <oilsworkn> if my desk at home isn't dirty it doesn't "feel" right
Jun 20 23:03:16 <oilsworkn> but my desk at work is f-ing spotless
Jun 20 23:03:44 <Popple3> oilsworkn: Same here. Only thing I have on my desk in work other than my laptop is an XKCD signed print :P
Jun 20 23:03:50 <dwc-> the crap on my desk is mostly things to take home and compost/recycle
Jun 20 23:03:54 <oilsworkn> perhaps i should bring in my castle crashers figurine to work to defend the desk
Jun 20 23:05:02 <Popple3> I think I'd just get weird looks if I brought in my little Pokémon figure for my desk. Bad enough my screensaver is Leek Spin :P
Jun 20 23:05:20 <summatusmentis> I think you should expand your cultural taste
Jun 20 23:05:21 <dwc-> not as weird as if your screensaver was meatspin....
Jun 20 23:05:36 <dwc-> (nsfw)
Jun 20 23:05:38 <oilsworkn> my wallpaper at work is this awesome spaceflight infographic i edited to work on 2 screens
Jun 20 23:05:45 <Popple3> dwc-: Is it bad that I'm tempted...? :P
Jun 20 23:05:57 <summatusmentis> all of my wallpapers are photos I've taken
Jun 20 23:06:06 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 20 23:06:14 <summatusmentis> I'm not full of myself, I promise
Jun 20 23:06:18 <Popple3> My wallpaper is Lucky Star
Jun 20 23:06:20 <dwc-> I don't bother setting my wallpaper... my desktops are always covered by terminal windows, etc.
Jun 20 23:06:27 <dwc-> so I never see it anyways
Jun 20 23:06:30 <Tibfib> http://digitalblasphemy.com are my wallpapers
Jun 20 23:06:35 <summatusmentis> I mean, me too, but still
Jun 20 23:06:41 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: free? or did you pay them?
Jun 20 23:06:47 <Tibfib> paid
Jun 20 23:07:01 <summatusmentis> nice
Jun 20 23:07:02 <Tibfib> it ran out though.. I'll resubscribe soon
Jun 20 23:07:02 <singmajesty> I get all my wallpaper from InterfaceLift, mostly
Jun 20 23:07:09 <summatusmentis> I've always been too cheap to pay DB
Jun 20 23:07:22 <oilsworkn> Tibfib: the blue glowing mushroom
Jun 20 23:07:30 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 20 23:07:30 <summatusmentis> but then, I'm too cheap for a lot of things
Jun 20 23:07:48 <Popple3> also, my TouchStone arrived today. Why the hell didn't I get one earlier?!
Jun 20 23:07:56 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: heh, I don't really love that one
Jun 20 23:08:01 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 20 23:08:07 <oilsworkn> the "nerve" one then?
Jun 20 23:08:11 <Tibfib> his other ones are boss
Jun 20 23:08:23 <Tibfib> most of the other ones
Jun 20 23:08:30 <summatusmentis> Popple3: right? they're super nice
Jun 20 23:08:31 <Tibfib> which one is the "nerve" one?
Jun 20 23:08:39 <summatusmentis> I'm gonna need to get another one for my cube when I get one
Jun 20 23:08:45 <Tibfib> oh yeah, that one is awesome
Jun 20 23:08:48 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 20 23:09:04 <Popple3> summatusmentis: I nearly went crazy though. Hooked it up to a Samsung charger and it kept making noise and showing the charging banner
Jun 20 23:09:04 <oilsworkn> that was my first wallpaper when i went dual screens
Jun 20 23:09:06 <oilsworkn> it lasted forever
Jun 20 23:09:15 <oilsworkn> http://i53.tinypic.com/maz8g4.png is my work wallpaper
Jun 20 23:09:17 <Popple3> summatusmentis: Used the Palm charger and cable though and all was well
Jun 20 23:09:18 <oilsworkn> feel free to borrow :)
Jun 20 23:09:31 <oilsworkn> aw, tinypic shrunk it
Jun 20 23:09:46 <singmajesty> I should go out and buy more TouchStones
Jun 20 23:09:48 <summatusmentis> would you say that tinypic made it tiny?
Jun 20 23:09:49 <oilsworkn> nevermind
Jun 20 23:09:56 <singmajesty> I don't have one in my car anymore, but that was really nice
Jun 20 23:10:01 <singmajesty> Palm charger + TouchStone
Jun 20 23:10:03 * oilsworkn just goes home, bbl
Jun 20 23:10:13 <dwc-> vzw car charger+touchstone. $10!
Jun 20 23:10:18 <singmajesty> Where?
Jun 20 23:10:21 <dwc-> (plus case that I've lost)
Jun 20 23:10:29 <summatusmentis> I do not have a car, that's less useful :)
Jun 20 23:10:31 <dwc-> the bundle they've had a couple times in the past few months
Jun 20 23:10:55 <singmajesty> Wow, rockin'
Jun 20 23:10:56 <singmajesty> http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Touchstone-Charging-Dock-Pixi/dp/B002CMEIWK
Jun 20 23:11:11 <CTLAdvance> Did palm ever create a book on their enyo framework
Jun 20 23:11:14 <singmajesty> You can get a TouchStone, wall charger and extra battery for $20
Jun 20 23:11:15 <CTLAdvance> or HP I should say
Jun 20 23:11:20 <singmajesty> No books yet
Jun 20 23:11:22 <sugardave> rwatkins: I'm not seeing a lot different here from what I've been doing...going to start outright thievery for testing ;)
Jun 20 23:11:35 <CTLAdvance> Do we have any good docs on it yet
Jun 20 23:11:48 <rwatkins> sugardave: heh, no problem. swiped mine from findapps - jsut dont use my ID.
Jun 20 23:11:53 <sugardave> you got it
Jun 20 23:12:26 <rwatkins> my GA id being hard coded into the model ...
Jun 20 23:13:47 <Popple3> What I really really want is the damn Palm battery charger
Jun 20 23:13:51 <Popple3> Impossible to find
Jun 20 23:16:35 <sugardave> rwatkins: just in the one place, right?
Jun 20 23:18:05 <Popple3> singmajesty: In a way, I'm glad that they don't ship to Ireland. So close to spending money I don't have
Jun 20 23:18:25 <singmajesty> hah :)
Jun 20 23:19:06 * Popple3 goes to ebay....
Jun 20 23:26:22 <Popple3> Aaaaaand another TouchStone on it's way to me... Curse you HPalm...
Jun 20 23:26:57 <Flashpass> haha, touchstones are awesome
Jun 20 23:27:41 <dwc-> if you're getting a touchpad though, shouldn't you wait to get at least one of the new ones?
Jun 20 23:28:16 <summatusmentis> touchpad can't use the puck ones anyway right?
Jun 20 23:28:19 <Popple3> dwc-: Meh, not bothered really. Only benefit is setting the location, right?
Jun 20 23:29:10 <dwc-> dunno, I would have thought it'd be compatible, maybe I'm assuming
Jun 20 23:29:17 <destinal> Popple3:  well, the amperage is way too low to charge the touchpad fast
Jun 20 23:29:40 <singmajesty> Yeah, it doesn't stick on there, even if you use the 2 amp plug
Jun 20 23:30:13 <Popple3> destinal: Well, yeah, but that's what the TouchStone stand thing is for
Jun 20 23:30:20 <destinal> oh sure
Jun 20 23:30:35 <summatusmentis> the touchpad stand/keyboard/case combo is really tempting
Jun 20 23:30:37 <destinal> thought we were talking about old ts though
Jun 20 23:30:40 <Popple3> I wouldn't even try balancing a TouchPad on a normal touchstone :P
Jun 20 23:30:46 <destinal> those may work on pre3
Jun 20 23:31:00 * Popple3 is confused
Jun 20 23:31:03 <summatusmentis> should right? not confirmed yet, but I thought they were thought to
Jun 20 23:31:09 <singmajesty> Works with the Pre 3
Jun 20 23:31:17 <sugardave> I can't seem to make my TouchStone work with my TouchPad
Jun 20 23:31:27 <sugardave> but I don't know where I should be trying to stick it
Jun 20 23:31:44 <destinal> sugardave: I wouldn't expect it to work well anyway, 800ma is not too much charge..
Jun 20 23:31:47 <Popple3> I'll probably hold out on a Pre3 for a while anyway. happy with my Pre 2 for now
Jun 20 23:31:53 <sugardave> yeah, that's what I figured
Jun 20 23:34:39 <Popple3> has there been any word on whether messages/calls/etc will work between Pre 2 and TouchPad like with the Pre3 and Veer?
Jun 20 23:34:57 <summatusmentis> I thought it was confirmed that the pre- could do it
Jun 20 23:35:11 <Popple3> perhaps it was. I might have missed it
Jun 20 23:35:29 <rwatkins> always fun testing alarms.  fix code, wait 5 min, not fixed, change again, wait 5 min, try again .. ugh.
Jun 20 23:35:30 <summatusmentis> by confirmed, I mean I thought sugardave said it did
Jun 20 23:36:05 <Popple3> summatusmentis: That's as good as confirmed to me. And if he's wrong, well... Who knows....
Jun 20 23:36:06 <Popple3> :P
Jun 20 23:36:35 <summatusmentis> I might be misremembering
Jun 20 23:41:00 <dwc-> rwatkins: patch to allow alarms at 1 min intervals?
Jun 20 23:41:27 <rwatkins> hm, theres an idea.  take a look at the patch n patch the emulator?
Jun 20 23:41:38 <haeffb> rwatkins: use at: instead of in:
Jun 20 23:41:55 <haeffb> you can set at: 5 seconds from now
Jun 20 23:42:02 <rwatkins> haeffb: ah, nice
Jun 20 23:45:18 <sugardave> Popple3: I can use my Pre - with my TouchPad
Jun 20 23:45:36 <rwatkins> http://twitter.com/#!/marcoarment/status/82928933842071552
Jun 20 23:45:55 <rwatkins> maybe not the day to tell him I just wrote a webOS version of his app.
Jun 20 23:47:15 <sugardave> heh
Jun 20 23:47:24 <dwc-> Twitter is over capacity.
Jun 20 23:47:24 <dwc-> Please wait a moment and try again. For more information, check out Twitter Status »
Jun 20 23:47:27 <dwc-> <3
Jun 20 23:47:41 <dwc-> they're "worth" how many billions of dollars, again?
Jun 20 23:53:34 <singmajesty> Yay!
Jun 20 23:53:42 <singmajesty> I just ordered 3 TouchStones from Verizon
Jun 20 23:53:45 <singmajesty> $4.99 each
Jun 20 23:53:59 <singmajesty> Free 2-day shipping
Jun 20 23:54:11 <Popple3> singmajesty: I wish I lived in the US now... :(
Jun 20 23:54:34 <dwc-> oh, they're still not out of stock on those yet, eh
Jun 20 23:56:06 <singmajesty> Well, it was a pain to figure it out
Jun 20 23:56:19 <singmajesty> I had to specifically search "Verizon TouchStone", and even then, the page had no buy button
Jun 20 23:56:31 <singmajesty> I had to search for the Pre 2, go for accessories and add it that way
Jun 20 23:56:57 <singmajesty> Popple3: You got it for $14?
Jun 20 23:57:03 <dwc-> yea, vzw's site sucks
Jun 20 23:58:04 <singmajesty> I got my first one from Sprint for $60, I think
Jun 20 23:58:07 <Popple3> singmajesty: in total, including shipping it came to $28 :( cheapest I could find that would ship here :(
Jun 20 23:58:17 <singmajesty> ...then I got one from Radio Shack for $20
Jun 20 23:58:33 <singmajesty> They still sell it in stores here for $60-$80
Jun 20 23:58:50 <Popple3> they don't sell it in stores here at all
Jun 20 23:58:50 <Popple3> lol
Jun 20 23:59:02 <singmajesty> Popple3: Is this your first one?
Jun 20 23:59:08 <Popple3> second
Jun 20 23:59:22 <Popple3> first one just arrived today
Jun 20 23:59:26 <singmajesty> Hah :)
Jun 20 23:59:35 <singmajesty> Yeah, it's fun to have one, say, at home and at work
Jun 20 23:59:45 <singmajesty> I'm going to put one in the car, again
Jun 20 23:59:50 <dwc-> I have 3 touchstones... one still in the box
Jun 20 23:59:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Güd evening, webOS comrades.
Jun 20 23:59:58 <singmajesty> (You just have to make sure it stays in the shade so it doesn't overheat)
Jun 21 00:00:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have 4 touchstones
Jun 21 00:00:03 <dwc-> I generally just plug it into my laptop at home
Jun 21 00:00:04 <Popple3> I need a third one. One for home, one for college apartment, one for work
Jun 21 00:00:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so I win.
Jun 21 00:00:13 <dwc-> better for novacom'ing anyways
Jun 21 00:00:16 <singmajesty> I just ordered 3
Jun 21 00:00:17 <singmajesty> and I have 2
Jun 21 00:00:21 <singmajesty> So five. So there.
Jun 21 00:00:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> DAMMIT.
Jun 21 00:00:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> So one goes in the bathroom?
Jun 21 00:00:36 <Popple3> although, I'm moving home when I finish work, so I only need one then...
Jun 21 00:00:36 <singmajesty> I'll match that and raise you another
Jun 21 00:00:37 <Popple3> lol
Jun 21 00:00:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have one in the bathroom.
Jun 21 00:00:40 <singmajesty> haha
Jun 21 00:00:47 <singmajesty> Okay, then I'd say we're even
Jun 21 00:00:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Jun 21 00:00:55 <singmajesty> TouchStone in the bathroom counts for two
Jun 21 00:01:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's for watching youtube
Jun 21 00:01:12 <dwc-> where's the google music fanboy. I wanted to mention that the streaming is spotty and my music is skipping
Jun 21 00:01:28 <singmajesty> I think it will probably break down like this:
Jun 21 00:01:40 <Popple3> dwc-: Mine was the same the other day. Been fine since
Jun 21 00:01:59 <dwc-> Popple3: mine does it for a bit every few days
Jun 21 00:02:05 <singmajesty> 1 for the family car, 1 for the commuter car, 1 for my desk, 1 for the room and 1 for my wife
Jun 21 00:02:09 <singmajesty> wife's desk, I mean
Jun 21 00:02:29 <dwc-> and here we thought you made her carry around a touchstone for you
Jun 21 00:02:31 <singmajesty> It'll be nice, because this way I can keep the Veer cable in my laptop bag for data
Jun 21 00:02:44 <singmajesty> ...and use a TouchStone instead for charging in the car or at home
Jun 21 00:02:56 <dwc-> btw, the vzw touchstones don't come with cables
Jun 21 00:03:05 <singmajesty> I ordered one extra cable
Jun 21 00:03:17 <singmajesty> I should probably get one more Palm car charger
Jun 21 00:03:59 <Popple3> question: does the Pre 2 support A2DP...?
Jun 21 00:04:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you know the DIY car dock WebOSRoundup recently showcased?
Jun 21 00:04:59 <Popple3> never mind, looked it up, it does
Jun 21 00:05:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I built one a while ago using the same base... best thing EVAR
Jun 21 00:05:29 <dwc-> huh. vzw doesn't sell accessories for the devices older than the pre2 anymore ...
Jun 21 00:05:37 <dwc-> (that's where the cheap bundles used to be under)
Jun 21 00:06:04 <dwc-> oh wait, there it is... it's just not searchable under palm ...
Jun 21 00:06:45 <Popple3> IGNTNUNLMTD: Bumps on the road don't knock it off the magnet, no?
Jun 21 00:06:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's only happened once
Jun 21 00:07:09 <singmajesty> Ah, that rocks!
Jun 21 00:07:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> because the city of Portland, Maine doesn't know shit about public works
Jun 21 00:07:12 <dwc-> for me, it was more a sharp corner going faster than I should have been....
Jun 21 00:07:19 <singmajesty> I never thought of buying a mount bracket, and removing the clamps
Jun 21 00:07:25 <sugardave> okay, it is official, Google just hates me
Jun 21 00:07:47 <Popple3> IGNTNUNLMTD: The entire country of Ireland has shitty roads, I think I'll pass on mounting mine like that :P
Jun 21 00:07:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Jun 21 00:07:59 <singmajesty> The phone definitely stays fine if you mount in the normal position
Jun 21 00:08:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dwc-: what kind of car?
Jun 21 00:08:17 <singmajesty> Tipping it upright does increase the chance of it coming off, but it still stays on better than you might think
Jun 21 00:08:18 <Popple3> sugardave: why so?
Jun 21 00:08:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I've done hairpin offramps at speed and it's never let go
Jun 21 00:08:42 <sugardave> I took a working app, changed the GA account, and it doesn't work :/
Jun 21 00:08:43 <dwc-> honda prelude?
Jun 21 00:08:53 <Popple3> singmajesty: Yeah, I was hanging upside down off my closet door earlier, just for shits and giggles :P
Jun 21 00:09:23 <dwc-> the touchstone itself slid, and bumped the phone off
Jun 21 00:09:51 <Popple3> Wait, I wasn't hanging upside down, my Pre 2 was... -__-
Jun 21 00:10:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dwc-: Ah, well that's good grip for FWD, so I'm not surprised
Jun 21 00:11:11 <Popple3> anywho, I best be off to bed, work in the morning
Jun 21 00:11:34 <Popple3> later guys!
Jun 21 00:11:46 <sugardave> night
Jun 21 00:13:02 <singmajesty> Yay!
Jun 21 00:13:07 <singmajesty> $5 travel charger on AT&T
Jun 21 00:13:15 <singmajesty> Good thing there's a fire sale (for me)
Jun 21 00:13:27 <singmajesty> I guess its because of the Palm branding
Jun 21 00:17:39 <dwc-> on AT&T?
Jun 21 00:18:15 <singmajesty> $5 Palm car charger
Jun 21 00:18:20 <singmajesty> Works really well with the TouchStone
Jun 21 00:18:25 <dwc-> ahh, that kind of travel charger
Jun 21 00:18:37 <dwc-> I was going to say, vzw has the palm wall charger+cable for $5 too
Jun 21 00:18:48 <singmajesty> ...because it puts out 1 amp instead of 0.5 amp like most chargers
Jun 21 00:19:02 <singmajesty> I think you can get the wall charger for $3.95 on Amazon
Jun 21 00:19:19 <dwc-> with shipping < $1.02?
Jun 21 00:20:22 <singmajesty> $3.75 with free shipping
Jun 21 00:20:39 <dwc-> bah! oh well.
Jun 21 00:21:06 <Flashpass> that's pretty cheap, maybe should grab an extra
Jun 21 00:47:38 <singmajesty> Huh. I might try going with one of these mounts:
Jun 21 00:47:38 <singmajesty> http://www.bracketron.com/products/in-car-mounts-air-vent?p=2
Jun 21 00:48:09 <singmajesty> You can get a flat surface for attaching a TouchStone for $6 or $7 ... save a little over the $20 kit the webOS Roundup guys used for their DYI car kit
Jun 21 00:49:25 <Flashpass> thats a decent idea, I used one of those suction ones and took it apart until i could get a flat surface haha
Jun 21 00:49:38 <Flashpass> but I think the vent one is maybe more stable
Jun 21 00:50:00 <singmajesty> Well, it seems like a nice idea to mount to a vent to resolve cooling problems
Jun 21 00:50:09 <singmajesty> That was the one downside to using a TouchStone in the car, before.
Jun 21 00:50:18 <singmajesty> I had it in the center console, but sometimes it would get too hot
Jun 21 00:50:29 <singmajesty> Then again, it was overclocked
Jun 21 00:51:00 <Flashpass> Hm, so if it's cold outside and you want the heater on that probably wouldn't be good
Jun 21 00:51:25 <singmajesty> Ah, good point :)
Jun 21 00:51:39 <singmajesty> Well, if that's the case, I guess the car is already going to be cold
Jun 21 00:51:43 <singmajesty> So maybe it will even out. Maybe
Jun 21 00:52:27 <Flashpass> seems like even in chilly weather the phone could get warm in a car, especially with heater blasting on it
Jun 21 00:52:37 <Flashpass> maybe you can just turn the vents away from it
Jun 21 00:53:09 <singmajesty> I guess if it was mounted to the left of the steering wheel, you would have the switch for shutting off air
Jun 21 00:53:14 <singmajesty> in most cars
Jun 21 00:54:13 <Flashpass> true
Jun 21 00:58:01 <halfhalo> ls
Jun 21 00:58:05 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 21 00:58:09 <halfhalo> I fail
Jun 21 00:58:13 <singmajesty> I'm in here
Jun 21 00:58:38 <singmajesty> ..  Documents  Movies  Music
Jun 21 00:58:56 <oil> lol
Jun 21 02:06:17 <uncola> no one talk all at once
Jun 21 02:06:33 * singmajesty tries not to
Jun 21 02:06:40 <singmajesty> :)
Jun 21 02:06:55 <haeffb> It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on CC
Jun 21 02:13:30 <oil> new or old?
Jun 21 02:14:44 <uncola> old
Jun 21 02:15:18 <oil> :(
Jun 21 02:19:06 <haeffb> old
Jun 21 02:19:16 <haeffb> new are on...FX?
Jun 21 02:19:37 <uncola> yeah.. new season hasn't started
Jun 21 02:24:28 <sugardave> what's this?  semi-success?
Jun 21 02:24:30 * sugardave faints.
Jun 21 02:24:39 <oil> semi-success?
Jun 21 02:25:03 <sugardave> Google recognizes THIS app has analytics tracking
Jun 21 02:25:04 <haeffb> it happens when you get older
Jun 21 02:25:13 <sugardave> still waiting for events to propagate
Jun 21 02:25:26 <oil> haeffb: haha
Jun 21 02:25:32 <Tibfib> haaha
Jun 21 02:25:56 * haeffb is embarking on a rewrite of my Enyo app.
Jun 21 02:26:11 <haeffb> before it ever even was submitted to HPalm
Jun 21 02:26:27 <sugardave> go go go
Jun 21 02:27:08 * Tibfib blows vuvuzela in encouragement
Jun 21 02:27:44 <summatusmentis> I'm rewriting my previous unreleased app in enyo
Jun 21 02:27:53 <summatusmentis> but I expect that'll eventually end up unreleased too
Jun 21 02:28:36 <summatusmentis> although maybe once I buy a TP, it'll be motivating
Jun 21 02:29:25 <oil> wirc RESUBMITTED
Jun 21 02:32:53 <Tibfib> oil: wait, so was it really rejected by accident this last time?
Jun 21 02:33:13 <oil> <oilIsAnImpostah> omfg
Jun 21 02:33:13 <oil> <oilIsAnImpostah> I just hit the wrong button on wirc
Jun 21 02:33:13 <oil> <oilIsAnImpostah> I think I just rejected it  ;_;
Jun 21 02:33:13 <oil> <AdoraSux> I did
Jun 21 02:33:13 <oil> <AdoraSux> you have to resubmit  ;_;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Jun 21 02:33:59 <Tibfib> yikesssssss
Jun 21 02:34:08 <oil> :/
Jun 21 02:34:35 <NuttyBunny> nooooooooo
Jun 21 02:34:37 <NuttyBunny> really???
Jun 21 02:34:49 <NuttyBunny> I think the name is just cursed
Jun 21 02:35:10 <summatusmentis> lolol, I know it's a touchy subject, but you have to admit this is comical
Jun 21 02:35:58 <NuttyBunny> of course, unbelievably funny to us, maybe not that much for oil tho :S
Jun 21 02:36:12 * oil is not concerned
Jun 21 02:36:32 <sugardave> oil === Job ?
Jun 21 02:36:52 <oil> yes, i have a job
Jun 21 02:37:03 <summatusmentis> he's asking if you are Job
Jun 21 02:37:16 <summatusmentis> unless you're joking, in which case, ignore me being a jerk
Jun 21 02:37:17 <sugardave> that's like the only bible reference I know
Jun 21 02:37:31 <summatusmentis> really? not even like, hanging on a cross?
Jun 21 02:37:40 <sugardave> well, non-Jesus ones
Jun 21 02:38:01 <summatusmentis> oh, so what about like... samson?
Jun 21 02:38:35 <sugardave> fine, I remember more...jeez, killjoy much? :P
Jun 21 02:38:53 <summatusmentis> :-D
Jun 21 02:39:00 <summatusmentis> I was just curious
Jun 21 02:39:39 <oil> spoiler alert: Jesus dies on page 235
Jun 21 02:39:46 <sugardave> DAMMIT OIL
Jun 21 02:39:51 <oil> heh
Jun 21 02:40:04 * oil pulled random page number, dont go looking for your bible to check
Jun 21 02:40:33 <sugardave> it's probably on page 235 of some version
Jun 21 02:40:43 <haeffb> The version with REALLY BIG PAGES
Jun 21 02:40:54 <halfhalo> so, the american version?
Jun 21 02:41:00 <haeffb> 'cause the whole first testament happens first
Jun 21 02:41:05 <sugardave> no no, he didn't say picture book
Jun 21 02:41:09 <haeffb> all the begittin and begattin
Jun 21 02:41:10 <halfhalo> ah
Jun 21 02:43:12 <haeffb> who knows how to open an html file on /media/internal in the Pre web browser?
Jun 21 02:43:57 <haeffb> or is that even possible?
Jun 21 02:48:39 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: Not in the browser, but perhaps with a webview (I haven't tried)
Jun 21 02:48:46 <NuttyBunny> or Universe
Jun 21 02:50:04 * haeffb going a different direction.
Jun 21 02:51:32 <NuttyBunny> uploading it? email?
Jun 21 02:52:01 <NuttyBunny> dam you pixi!
Jun 21 02:52:04 <NuttyBunny> damn
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