**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 21 02:59:56 2011
Jun 21 03:10:02 <oil> http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/83008032891609088 :)
Jun 21 03:10:48 <NuttyBunny> that is REALLY nice :D
Jun 21 03:10:56 <PatrickC> oil: how does one get in on the helping of that? :)
Jun 21 03:11:40 <oil> helping of what?
Jun 21 03:11:45 * NuttyBunny guesses "git"
Jun 21 03:11:54 <PatrickC> the Enyo Lumberjack..
Jun 21 03:12:01 <NuttyBunny> shhh!
Jun 21 03:12:24 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 03:12:27 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 21 03:12:37 <oil> lol
Jun 21 03:13:48 <rwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_Bunyan_and_Babe_statues_Bemidji_Minnesota_crop.JPG
Jun 21 03:25:09 <bartholemew> anyone w/any ideas how to get around issue in last post on this forum topic:  https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=7718  ?
Jun 21 03:25:20 <NuttyBunny> hey Adora
Jun 21 03:26:16 <NuttyBunny> bartholemew: Linux here, sorry
Jun 21 03:26:57 <bartholemew> NB: no problem
Jun 21 03:28:40 <dwc-> I might guess look in the windows event viewer
Jun 21 03:28:43 <PatrickC> don't do C/C++ programming yet, sorry
Jun 21 03:28:52 <PatrickC> Hey AdoraSux
Jun 21 03:28:58 <AdoraRox> :)
Jun 21 03:28:59 <dwc-> also try starting the service by hand and see if it helps
Jun 21 03:29:16 <dwc-> patrick: it's not a programming problem, the last post
Jun 21 03:29:56 <bartholemew> thx re: event viewer
Jun 21 03:30:15 <dwc-> (eventvwr, and services.msc, iirc)
Jun 21 03:30:42 <bartholemew> y not a programming problem, really has nothing to do w/PDK ... just replied to the only thread i could find in forums w/the same SDK install issue
Jun 21 03:33:34 <AdoraRox> bartholemew: try downloading it fresh?
Jun 21 03:33:39 <AdoraRox> not sure.. sorry
Jun 21 03:33:44 <bartholemew> ok yes seeing tons of errors in event view related to tcprelay.exe ...
Jun 21 03:37:36 <bartholemew> string of errors starts with a Dependent Assembly Microsoft.VC80.CRT could not be found message ..
Jun 21 03:38:53 <dwc-> visual c++ 8 runtime?
Jun 21 03:39:52 <dwc-> that should be googleable and fixable I suspect
Jun 21 03:42:46 <bartholemew> yep digging into it
Jun 21 03:43:10 <bartholemew> never hurts to ask in case someone else has already waded through the issues
Jun 21 03:43:13 <PatrickC> halfhalo: don't you write for netbooknews ?
Jun 21 03:43:55 <halfhalo> no
Jun 21 03:44:14 <PatrickC> ok..
Jun 21 03:44:35 <PatrickC> what sites do you write for? I thought it was something along those lines
Jun 21 03:44:51 <halfhalo> storagereview and notebookreview
Jun 21 03:45:32 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 21 04:08:15 <PatrickC> Pre³ ships with enyo?
Jun 21 04:08:57 <ramitos> PatrickC i think yes
Jun 21 04:09:24 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 21 04:10:10 <NuttyBunny> I bet no
Jun 21 04:10:39 * halfhalo bets waffle
Jun 21 04:10:40 <PatrickC> 2.2 supposedly has Enyo
Jun 21 04:11:35 <Tibfib> from what source?
Jun 21 04:11:54 <NuttyBunny> no, it doesn't
Jun 21 04:12:48 * NuttyBunny is ALMOST there... almost... just move some functions around and it will be ready for 0.1.0 testing :D
Jun 21 04:12:56 * NuttyBunny almost hops around
Jun 21 04:13:30 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: send it this way when its at 0.1.0 :)
Jun 21 04:14:09 <NuttyBunny> you know it's harcoded to 1024x768 landscape on several things :P
Jun 21 04:14:10 <Tibfib> argg curse you git
Jun 21 04:14:43 <Tibfib> I'm prepending "git" to every command now
Jun 21 04:14:48 <Tibfib> "git cd .."
Jun 21 04:15:00 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 04:15:09 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: you can fix that ;)
Jun 21 04:16:10 <NuttyBunny> yep, but first things first
Jun 21 04:16:29 <PatrickC> yep
Jun 21 04:17:17 <Tibfib> "git palm-install .."
Jun 21 04:17:46 <NuttyBunny> hehehe // Tibfib
Jun 21 04:19:05 <PatrickC> git git clone
Jun 21 04:19:51 <PatrickC> AdoraSux: is that your new nick? lol
Jun 21 04:19:54 <NuttyBunny> I'll call it for tonight.  I had a nice improvement on this. I'll continue in the morning.  First beta has to be ready tomorrow, full functionality. And I hope those touchpad owners will help me test ;)
Jun 21 04:20:34 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: and If it works fine, I'll look into making it run on custom resolutions (Pre, Pixi, Veer, Pre3) :D
Jun 21 04:20:44 <NuttyBunny> Anyway, I need that also for rotating :S
Jun 21 04:22:33 <Tibfib> Boom. that was complicated.
Jun 21 04:22:43 * Tibfib just did some [redacted] in [redacted]
Jun 21 04:23:10 <PatrickC> ooo.. can I see it on the [redacted]
Jun 21 04:23:56 <Tibfib> considering I have no idea what [redacted] is, yes.
Jun 21 04:24:17 <PatrickC> cool!
Jun 21 04:24:27 <PatrickC> it looks awesome btw :)
Jun 21 04:25:18 * dwc- just [redacted] your [redacted]
Jun 21 04:25:26 <PatrickC> ewww
Jun 21 04:25:40 <Tibfib> BOOM, [REDACTED]
Jun 21 04:26:03 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
Jun 21 04:26:30 <NuttyBunny> stop [redacted] your [redacted], it's plain [redacted]  :P
Jun 21 04:27:57 * PatrickC hides his eyes
Jun 21 04:28:13 <Tibfib> PatrickC: oh [redacted]
Jun 21 05:14:27 <LoneStar99> evening folks
Jun 21 05:15:07 <PatrickC> hey
Jun 21 05:18:18 <NuttyBunny> night :)
Jun 21 05:19:09 <NuttyBunny> ok, this was a REALLY productive day. My app is close to completion, it works mostly, and I found out how to do everything I need. I have to sleep now, tomorrow will be another day :D
Jun 21 05:19:17 <NuttyBunny> c-ya people!
Jun 21 05:19:56 <PatrickC> night
Jun 21 05:20:09 <PatrickC> today was productive for me too :)
Jun 21 05:20:15 <PatrickC> I got my app near-done
Jun 21 05:22:37 <LoneStar99> not very productive app wise will stay up to make up for lost time
Jun 21 05:23:00 <LoneStar99> gonna release my app with a few bugs
Jun 21 05:23:22 <rwatkins> every app has a few bugs.  every
Jun 21 05:24:19 <PatrickC> wirc doesn't have any bugs
Jun 21 05:24:57 <LoneStar99> yeah, wanted it almost perfect but will fix as releases are made
Jun 21 05:25:44 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: same here
Jun 21 05:26:10 <PatrickC> most apps I release I want to be "feature complete" and "bug free" at 1.0.0 . . . but that never happens :)
Jun 21 05:26:38 <NuttyBunny> same here ;)   I have so much things to do for mine, but it will grow in time
Jun 21 05:26:40 <NuttyBunny> bye
Jun 21 05:28:37 <sugardave> fuuuuuu
Jun 21 05:29:38 <LoneStar99> ok need to get off facebook and code
Jun 21 05:30:43 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 21 05:30:55 <PatrickC> most the time I need to get off irc and code :P
Jun 21 05:32:01 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 21 05:32:37 <PatrickC> well... or get off of irc and stop coding and study ;)
Jun 21 05:34:13 <LoneStar99> i send a friend request like 4 months ago, and finally got added..
Jun 21 05:34:38 <dkirker> forget coding
Jun 21 05:34:41 <dkirker> go back onto facebook
Jun 21 05:36:43 <PatrickC> dkirker is just mad cause they are giving me his touchpad
Jun 21 05:36:46 * PatrickC ducks
Jun 21 05:36:47 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 21 05:36:52 <LoneStar99> for a webview do i add the following to setup?  --> "this.controller.setupWidget("WebId", this.attributes = { ... });"
Jun 21 05:36:53 <dkirker> he
Jun 21 05:36:55 <dkirker> *heh
Jun 21 05:37:06 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: u getting a TP?
Jun 21 05:37:29 <PatrickC> when I get $500? yeah :)
Jun 21 05:37:35 <LoneStar99> well i guess it do ... "setupWidget"
Jun 21 05:38:37 <PatrickC> dkirker: are you gonna port Universe to Enyo?
Jun 21 05:38:45 <dkirker> yup
Jun 21 05:38:49 <dkirker> when some time frees up
Jun 21 05:38:54 <dkirker> hopefully starting next week
Jun 21 05:40:56 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 21 05:41:02 <PatrickC> can't wait! :)
Jun 21 05:44:03 <LoneStar99> ok weird pre just restarted all by itself
Jun 21 05:45:04 <PatrickC> mine do that all the time lol
Jun 21 05:45:43 <PatrickC> night all.. its 12:43 by me..
Jun 21 05:46:08 <PatrickC> I'm tired.. have a appt tomorrow, and I'm gonna be driving a lot!! :D
Jun 21 05:46:10 <LoneStar99> lateres PatrickC
Jun 21 05:46:24 <PatrickC> cya LonStar99
Jun 21 06:05:09 <jaf0> sugardave?
Jun 21 06:11:36 <LoneStar99> http://dontbubble.us/
Jun 21 06:19:07 <jaf0> dkirker?
Jun 21 06:20:12 <dkirker> hi jaf0
Jun 21 07:41:15 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 21 07:41:38 <LoneStar99> morning
Jun 21 07:44:55 <swisstomcat> hey lonestar
Jun 21 08:11:32 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  you have a working sample of a a webview?
Jun 21 08:11:37 <LoneStar99> widget?
Jun 21 08:12:04 <swisstomcat> mojo?
Jun 21 08:12:56 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 21 08:13:09 <LoneStar99> all the samples i find, do not work
Jun 21 08:13:25 <swisstomcat> mobiletuts.tutsplus.com
Jun 21 08:13:28 <swisstomcat> search for webos
Jun 21 08:13:58 <swisstomcat> whoops
Jun 21 08:13:59 <swisstomcat> http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk-development-4/
Jun 21 08:14:19 <LoneStar99> ok looking thanks
Jun 21 08:17:29 <LoneStar99> ok i guess gona crash will be back up in about 4-5hrs
Jun 21 08:17:32 <LoneStar99> thanks again
Jun 21 09:09:27 <hotdp> swisstomcat: we don't see you much here :)
Jun 21 09:15:49 <hotdp> How are you?
Jun 21 09:21:48 <swisstomcat> good .. and busy :)
Jun 21 09:24:41 <hotdp> :)
Jun 21 09:45:20 <Guest52172> Hello sir, Can anyone please tell me about the compatilbility in apps for webOS on phone and the tablet?
Jun 21 09:47:47 <Guest52172> I developed an app in mojo framework and wanted to know the magnitude of changes to port that on the tablet
Jun 21 09:48:11 <hotdp> From mojo to enyo
Jun 21 10:01:15 <swisstomcat> guest52172: if you are an early access member, check the "webos 3.0 early access" private forum on developer.palm.com
Jun 21 10:01:29 <swisstomcat> where you find information or can ask questions
Jun 21 10:20:55 <stbuehler> hrmpf, calendar sync with google doesn't work -.-
Jun 21 10:22:38 <hotdp> remove and add the calender agan
Jun 21 10:23:16 <stbuehler> you mean the whole account?
Jun 21 10:24:28 <stbuehler> and i don't want to loose the data which are only on my pre right now -.-
Jun 21 10:25:16 <hotdp> hmm
Jun 21 10:25:21 <hotdp> What account is it?
Jun 21 10:25:31 <stbuehler> well, i'll do a manual sync and disable calendar for the google acc
Jun 21 10:25:42 <stbuehler> and enable it again
Jun 21 11:30:19 <haeffb> stbuehler: I have done that several time (disable calendar for the accout, sync, renable, sync)
Jun 21 11:30:21 <haeffb> it works
Jun 21 12:48:53 <LoneStar99> morning floks
Jun 21 12:48:56 <LoneStar99> folks
Jun 21 12:49:04 <hotdp> morning
Jun 21 12:49:09 <hotdp> that was not much sleeping for you
Jun 21 12:49:55 <summatusmentis> who you callin' a flok?
Jun 21 12:54:55 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 21 12:55:32 <LoneStar99> yeah trying to get this app out the door, but still have some a good amount of coding to do
Jun 21 12:56:22 <LoneStar99> want a webview to load automatically when app scene is launched...
Jun 21 13:00:03 <swisstomcat> see my example
Jun 21 13:00:06 <swisstomcat> if was doing the same
Jun 21 13:01:58 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  ok thanks, i thought it was activated on tap or some other even
Jun 21 13:02:01 <LoneStar99> event
Jun 21 13:04:25 <swisstomcat> no, on load of the scene
Jun 21 13:12:46 <swisstomcat> hi oc80z
Jun 21 13:12:49 <swisstomcat> swiss?
Jun 21 13:15:03 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  do i need to define a listener?
Jun 21 13:20:54 <swisstomcat> lonestar: listener for what?
Jun 21 13:22:51 <LoneStar99> to load the web view...
Jun 21 13:25:52 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  this is what I have and nothing loads... http://pastebin.com/LyKbj3w7
Jun 21 13:35:03 <stuffmc> Hi
Jun 21 13:35:17 <stuffmc> finally got around finding why my Pre 2 was so slow
Jun 21 13:35:23 <stuffmc> thank you Linked In ;-)
Jun 21 13:35:39 <stuffmc> contacts.linked.js was totally killing the device
Jun 21 13:46:12 <stbuehler> haeffb: yeah it worked. i justed accidentally disabled contacts instead, and it moved the unsynced contacts to the palm profile -.- (and split all merged contacts ofc)
Jun 21 13:53:11 <stuffmc> did screen capture changed in 2.1?
Jun 21 13:54:31 <stuffmc> Orange Sym P doesn't work anymore
Jun 21 13:58:46 <LoneStar99> for the life of me can't get the stupid web view to display shit
Jun 21 13:59:58 <LoneStar99> when i first started with webos dev had the simplest web view code work, but not sure what the heck i did with it
Jun 21 14:05:09 <stuffmc> spank me… screen shot was working, but sound was off and it this case there's no feedback… boy that sucks
Jun 21 14:07:11 <LoneStar99> perhaps after some pancakes can think how to get something so simple to work...
Jun 21 14:14:52 <phoque_uni> are Beta apps limited to the beta feed only?
Jun 21 14:15:02 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni:  no more feeds
Jun 21 14:15:04 <phoque_uni> (open beta)
Jun 21 14:15:31 <phoque_uni> I thought the open access to feeds was closed
Jun 21 14:15:38 <phoque_uni> but they'd still work internally
Jun 21 14:15:49 <phoque_uni> so no new details about app catalog stuff yet?
Jun 21 14:23:05 <LoneStar99> phoque_uni: not sure if they work internally, they may
Jun 21 14:23:24 <dwc-> there's an sqlite3 on the phone, should
Jun 21 14:24:48 <dwc-> ECHANNEL
Jun 21 14:24:58 <phoque_uni> heh
Jun 21 14:45:06 <phoque_uni> can somebody of HPalm please process my "request rejection"? :-P
Jun 21 14:45:54 <hotdp> ask chuq when he is online
Jun 21 14:46:01 <phoque_uni> ok, thanks
Jun 21 14:48:27 <hotdp> Have you not tested ;)
Jun 21 14:49:36 <phoque_uni> yes, I have
Jun 21 14:49:59 <phoque_uni> that particular bug is only very subtle
Jun 21 14:50:00 <phoque_uni> :-)
Jun 21 14:59:32 * PatrickC wanders in
Jun 21 15:03:25 * hotdp says hello and welcome to PatrickC
Jun 21 15:04:25 <oc80z> swisstomcat:  hi
Jun 21 15:04:40 <swisstomcat> swiss?
Jun 21 15:05:28 <PatrickC> hey swisstomcat!
Jun 21 15:05:31 <PatrickC> and hotdp!
Jun 21 15:06:19 <PatrickC> swisstomcat: you got navit working?
Jun 21 15:06:29 <LoneStar99> anyone that needs to fly southwest has a 72hr sale flights starting at $40 --> 40 year anniversary of Southwest airlines
Jun 21 15:06:55 <PatrickC> really? cool
Jun 21 15:07:00 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jun 21 15:07:09 <LoneStar99> got the email earlier today
Jun 21 15:07:16 <LoneStar99> this morning
Jun 21 15:08:20 <cwayne> DAMNIT
Jun 21 15:08:24 <cwayne> i just booked a flight yesterday
Jun 21 15:08:42 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 15:08:46 <LoneStar99> damn
Jun 21 15:08:48 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 21 15:09:29 <LoneStar99> i wish i had somewhere to fly but can't think... maybe san diego --> san fran...
Jun 21 15:09:36 <swisstomcat> patrick: not yet
Jun 21 15:09:49 <swisstomcat> oc80z: ping
Jun 21 15:09:54 <PatrickC> swisstomcat: need a nav program? I got a good one
Jun 21 15:09:57 <oc80z> pong
Jun 21 15:11:06 <swisstomcat> are you swiss, oc80z?
Jun 21 15:11:24 <LoneStar99> swisstomcat:  theoretically all i need to launch a web view is "this.controller.setupWidget('cans', {'url': 'http://www.yahoo.com'}, {}); in the setup assistant right?
Jun 21 15:11:24 <LoneStar99>   
Jun 21 15:11:33 <hotdp> http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/06/courtney-alexis-stoddens-mother-supportive-of-16-year-olds-marriage-to-doug-hutchison-51/ is that legal?
Jun 21 15:11:59 <PatrickC> it shouldn't be
Jun 21 15:12:36 <hotdp> my ears are bleeding
Jun 21 15:12:40 <LoneStar99> i do not think so, just plan weird
Jun 21 15:12:45 <hotdp> DONT PRES ON THE YOU TUBE LINKS IN THE BUTTOM
Jun 21 15:13:33 <oc80z> negative.
Jun 21 15:13:33 * PatrickC didn't want to press the regular link...
Jun 21 15:13:35 <PatrickC> eww
Jun 21 15:15:53 <LoneStar99> those have to be fake on courtney alexis sodeen
Jun 21 15:16:48 <twbbas> There is 1wk 2days 19hrs 45mins 16secs until the HP TouchPad launches
Jun 21 15:16:56 <twbbas> :D
Jun 21 15:17:02 <LoneStar99> perhaps not "her daughter?s assets are the real deal."
Jun 21 15:27:28 <summatusmentis> I think in some states if you get parental permission it's legal
Jun 21 15:27:52 <NuttyBunny> it's just sick :S
Jun 21 15:28:30 <summatusmentis> oooh, the age gap is what's in question
Jun 21 15:28:46 <summatusmentis> that's also dependent on the state I think, statue of limitations and all that
Jun 21 15:41:00 <twbbas> Do you guys think 150-200MB is too much for an app's size?
Jun 21 15:42:14 <Tibfib> it all depends
Jun 21 15:43:20 <PatrickC> what does it do?
Jun 21 15:43:31 <twbbas> I could make it only around 30MB and then have it download all the stuff on first launch
Jun 21 15:43:42 <twbbas> PatrickC: It's a game
Jun 21 15:43:47 <halfhalo> for 200MB it better make me a damn samich
Jun 21 15:44:07 <PatrickC> twabbs: what kinda game though?
Jun 21 15:44:17 <PatrickC> 2D/3D C or JS?
Jun 21 15:44:18 <Tibfib> twbbas: I'm not sure. It may shy some people away from it
Jun 21 15:44:24 <twbbas> PatrickC: Heh, secret for now.
Jun 21 15:44:37 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 21 15:44:49 <twbbas> Tibfib: That's what I'm thinking. I wouldn't want to have to download a 200MB update
Jun 21 15:44:59 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 21 15:45:12 <summatusmentis> is the 200MB fundamentally required?
Jun 21 15:45:22 <summatusmentis> any way to smallen it?
Jun 21 15:45:33 <Tibfib> if I was on the fence, 200mb would stop me from dl'ing it. But If I already had made up my mind, it wouldn't
Jun 21 15:46:04 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yeah. It's required for the game. I think I'll just make it ~30MB and have it download all the rest inside the app.
Jun 21 15:47:02 <summatusmentis> ideally download the rest as it's needed
Jun 21 15:47:18 <summatusmentis> I wouldn't want to open the game and need to download the other 170MB right off the bat either
Jun 21 15:48:47 <twbbas> Yep
Jun 21 15:50:20 <twbbas> I was looking into zipping some stuff up inside the app directory because I read somewhere that you can unzip files with node.js, but when I zipped up the 170MB it was still 170MB lol
Jun 21 15:50:54 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 15:51:19 <PatrickC> I like summatumentis's idea.. have it download like 3 lvl's at a time?
Jun 21 15:51:37 <NuttyBunny> I prefer it to download in the background as I play :)
Jun 21 15:51:50 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 15:52:30 <halfhalo> I prefer it making me a samich, but until my device sprouts arms, thats not going to happen is it.
Jun 21 15:52:35 <twbbas> Yeah, I have about 16 levels per "stage." So, I'll just have them download the next "stage" when they want to play it. Should only take a few mins on a decent wifi connection.
Jun 21 15:52:43 <twbbas> halfhalo: webOS toaster oven?
Jun 21 15:53:08 <summatusmentis> I like NuttyBunny's idea
Jun 21 15:53:17 <summatusmentis> just download it all in the background
Jun 21 15:53:23 <halfhalo> oh,oh,oh, forgot about the webos toaster!
Jun 21 15:53:32 <PatrickC> ohno
Jun 21 15:53:35 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Yeah. I can't think of how that'll work well. Like, if they quit in the middle of a download... etc. I'll look into it
Jun 21 15:53:46 <summatusmentis> twbbas: well, node can do that right?
Jun 21 15:53:56 <summatusmentis> I mean, I don't actually know, but it seems like something node would be good at
Jun 21 15:53:56 <halfhalo> yeah
Jun 21 15:54:05 <halfhalo> gogogadget httpclient!
Jun 21 15:54:11 <twbbas> I have no experience with node. I've only heard that you can make apps using it, lol
Jun 21 15:54:42 <twbbas> Thanks for the ideas, though. I'll look into them.
Jun 21 15:55:09 <PatrickC> halfhalo loves node
Jun 21 15:56:21 <halfhalo> meh, not the current node service implementation
Jun 21 15:57:15 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: have a database of the need files for each level, download one level a time, or even levels at a time, use a js service, support resuming if you prefer to download the complete level info, etc, etc..
Jun 21 15:58:02 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: Alright, thanks.
Jun 21 15:58:51 <NuttyBunny> just remember, people hates loading screens :)   --- it's so.. 80's :D
Jun 21 16:01:07 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 21 16:15:51 <halfhalo> interesting... i can't get a higher credit score for 2 more years
Jun 21 16:17:27 <RagingMind> I'm thinking of trying to sell my netbook to help fund a touchpad
Jun 21 16:17:45 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 16:18:06 <halfhalo> My lowest score is a 750. I can live with that
Jun 21 16:18:11 <PatrickC> I could sell my laptop.. and buy a screen protector... lol
Jun 21 16:19:52 <singmajesty> Hello World!
Jun 21 16:20:15 <PatrickC> too simple
Jun 21 16:20:17 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 21 16:20:44 <singmajesty> Foo.
Jun 21 16:21:30 <singmajesty> :)
Jun 21 16:21:31 <PatrickC> singmajesty: where's my touchpad?
Jun 21 16:22:13 <sugardave> rwatkins_: ping
Jun 21 16:22:14 <PatrickC> someone talk to AdoraSux.. she hasn't said anything in like 2 days lol
Jun 21 16:22:40 <singmajesty> Your TouchPad is being packaged and shipped to the local or internet retailer of your choice
Jun 21 16:23:09 <halfhalo> those 499 handling fees are a bitch though.
Jun 21 16:23:09 <PatrickC> hmm.. bestbuy, and its paid for already? nice! :)
Jun 21 16:23:58 <summatusmentis> are any of you buying the 32GB one?
Jun 21 16:24:02 <singmajesty> halfhalo: It's like eBay
Jun 21 16:24:10 * PatrickC just wants any
Jun 21 16:24:25 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I'm gonna get the 16gb model, just not sure when yet
Jun 21 16:24:53 <halfhalo> singmajesty: except ebay is up front about stealing your monies
Jun 21 16:25:05 <PatrickC> I'm gonna get a model (not sure how big, or if it'll be wifi only) not sure when though
Jun 21 16:26:15 <summatusmentis> I'm buying the "cheap" version :)
Jun 21 16:26:23 <summatusmentis> I don't see a compelling reason for 32GB
Jun 21 16:26:36 <summatusmentis> nor for the built-in 3G, I'm not buying another dataplan
Jun 21 16:27:27 <PatrickC> eh.. app development, music, nDrive, videos, etc.. 32GB ftw :)
Jun 21 16:27:35 <singmajesty> It's a lot easier to go without 3G on a TouchPad when your phone has a wireless hotspot
Jun 21 16:27:43 <halfhalo> i'm getting the 3g's
Jun 21 16:28:11 <PatrickC> singmajesty: true..
Jun 21 16:28:14 <halfhalo> mostly for gps, but knowing me it will have the 200mb a month data plan on it
Jun 21 16:28:23 <PatrickC> but then you ruin 2 batteries lol
Jun 21 16:28:37 <singmajesty> Yeah, that's the catch, I suppose
Jun 21 16:28:51 <singmajesty> Actually, I don't even need to do that that often
Jun 21 16:29:05 <PatrickC> and you can't just *pop* a new battery in the touchpad lol
Jun 21 16:29:06 <summatusmentis> I don't even know that I'd want gps, my phone has that
Jun 21 16:29:14 <singmajesty> Since I usually drive myself whenever I travel, I'm often at home or somewhere else with wifi. Otherwise I'm using my phone
Jun 21 16:29:20 <PatrickC> I want nDrive on my touchpad
Jun 21 16:29:32 <summatusmentis> I'm also not paying $30 for nDrive :)
Jun 21 16:29:33 <PatrickC> I use nDrive all the time..
Jun 21 16:29:41 <halfhalo> summatusmentis: I'm with you there
Jun 21 16:29:48 <singmajesty> The battery on the TouchPad lasts a long time. I'm not sure how long if you use it straight, but I only charge it once a week
Jun 21 16:29:55 <PatrickC> summatumentis: http://beta.ndrive.com :)
Jun 21 16:30:13 <PatrickC> singmajesty: how long are you on it daily?
Jun 21 16:30:21 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: that's gonna go away at some point, presumably
Jun 21 16:30:26 <Tibfib_> singmajesty: nice!
Jun 21 16:30:28 <PatrickC> summatumentis: free ndrive, free maps
Jun 21 16:30:39 <Loudergood> that's pretty impressive, my original nook only lasts a week
Jun 21 16:30:45 <PatrickC> but its here now.. so why not use it?
Jun 21 16:30:46 <LoneStar99> f-ck if web view will not work with my particular scene, can I use iframes?
Jun 21 16:31:07 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: GMaps gets me roughly the same functionality
Jun 21 16:31:13 <PatrickC> I don't think webos does iframes with mojo
Jun 21 16:31:31 <PatrickC> does gmaps have offline turn-by-turn voice navigation? :)
Jun 21 16:32:01 <summatusmentis> no, but what's the point of offline?
Jun 21 16:32:02 <singmajesty> I might pick it up and play games for an hour, do a little email, set it down, then my wife might take it away for a while to read Kindle, play games, look up birds
Jun 21 16:32:27 <singmajesty> Oo. Offline.
Jun 21 16:32:30 <summatusmentis> playing Angry Birds is not "looking up birds"
Jun 21 16:32:41 <singmajesty> Maybe I should send nDrive an email
Jun 21 16:32:44 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: I use the offline on my dev devices, or when I'm on the phone
Jun 21 16:32:58 <PatrickC> singmajesty: just visit that site
Jun 21 16:33:23 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: oh, meh.
Jun 21 16:33:57 <PatrickC> singmajesty: http://beta.ndrive.com
Jun 21 16:34:22 <singmajesty> Email sent.
Jun 21 16:34:28 <PatrickC> email? lol
Jun 21 16:35:02 <singmajesty> When you go to beta.ndrive.com, they tell you to send an email to their beta tester address if you would like to be a part of the beta
Jun 21 16:35:05 <sugardave> GOOOOOOOOGLE!  arrrr
Jun 21 16:35:19 <sugardave> how can you say "tracking is enabled!" but have NO events?!
Jun 21 16:35:21 <singmajesty> Based on some of the comments, it looks like they have a TouchPad app for testing, so I've sent them an email
Jun 21 16:35:29 <halfhalo> sugardave: they hate you.
Jun 21 16:35:31 <sugardave> there is only ONE damn command for tracking events
Jun 21 16:35:34 <singmajesty> Have you waited 24 hours, sugardave?
Jun 21 16:35:34 <PatrickC> you have to sign up for the webos forums first iirc
Jun 21 16:35:45 <sugardave> _gaq.push()...how hard is that?
Jun 21 16:35:46 <singmajesty> Google Analytics will not show anything until the next day
Jun 21 16:35:59 <sugardave> it's what lets you know that "tracking is enabled"
Jun 21 16:36:38 <sugardave> singmajesty: I know they say "up to 24 hours"...but last night at 3:30 am, these app tests weren't showing enabled...this mornign they are...they should also have AT LEAST the number of visits, yet it sits at 0
Jun 21 16:37:18 <halfhalo> sugardave: give it time...
Jun 21 16:37:23 <sugardave> :/
Jun 21 16:37:55 <sugardave> I do have some pretty awesome findings around all this, though...too bad I can't share them with anybody yet :D
Jun 21 16:38:42 <singmajesty> sugardave: Maybe it needs another 24 hours
Jun 21 16:38:57 <singmajesty> sugardave: Harder to wait when you don't know if it is working
Jun 21 16:39:06 <sugardave> definitely
Jun 21 16:44:55 <raoult> milkman!
Jun 21 16:45:15 <raoult> http://consumerist.com/2011/06/pay-to-play-with-bulldozers-in-las-vegas.html
Jun 21 16:45:28 <LoneStar99> webview works in one scene, but the exact  webview code does not work on another scene,   i get this error "[20110621-09:42:43.401373] error: EXCEPTION [setup], (TypeError): "Cannot read property '_mojoController' of undefined"
Jun 21 16:45:28 <raoult> oops. wrong channel
Jun 21 16:45:47 <LoneStar99> this code -->http://pastebin.com/Wi8gfids
Jun 21 16:46:34 <singmajesty> raoult: Thanks for sharing! That's kind of a cool idea :)
Jun 21 16:46:50 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 21 17:20:01 <sugardave> I'll just put this here: http://twitter.com/#!/backlon/status/83198286844010497
Jun 21 17:20:55 * dwc- stabs the hash-bang for not working js-less
Jun 21 17:21:21 <sugardave> doh
Jun 21 17:22:03 * dwc- wonders how many DMs and @mentions she'll have tomorrow
Jun 21 17:22:22 <summatusmentis> at least 10 from me alone :)
Jun 21 17:22:36 <dwc-> none from me (no twitter)
Jun 21 17:22:51 <summatusmentis> I kid
Jun 21 17:26:26 <tyranir> is there a way to testing pinching gestures in the emulator?
Jun 21 17:26:28 <tyranir> to test
Jun 21 17:27:56 <singmajesty> I think there's a way to test multitouch in the emulator, but I forget
Jun 21 17:30:19 <tyranir> it would be nice to test it without having to deploy to the device
Jun 21 17:34:32 <dwc-> no support for multitouch in the 2 emu
Jun 21 17:34:45 <dwc-> according to https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/emulator.html
Jun 21 17:35:28 <tyranir> thx
Jun 21 17:35:37 <Tibfib_> You can fake multi-touch
Jun 21 17:35:51 <Tibfib_> that's out of date
Jun 21 17:35:57 <Tibfib_> I don't remember how, but you can fake it
Jun 21 17:38:05 <NuttyBunny> yes you can
Jun 21 17:38:15 <NuttyBunny> dual touch, for zoom
Jun 21 17:38:43 <hotdp> pinch
Jun 21 17:38:51 <NuttyBunny> select a spot to "begin", press Ctrl (left), keep it pressed, go to another spot, press the mouse button and there you go
Jun 21 17:39:01 <NuttyBunny> hotdp: yep
Jun 21 17:39:21 <tyranir> thx
Jun 21 17:39:33 <tyranir> um, does that work for pinching out too? it seems to work for pinching in
Jun 21 17:40:06 <NuttyBunny> both directions
Jun 21 17:40:09 <NuttyBunny> it also rotates
Jun 21 17:41:47 <Tibfib_> boom
Jun 21 17:41:48 <Tibfib_> thanks Naranek
Jun 21 17:41:53 <Tibfib_> and NuttyBunny too
Jun 21 17:43:01 <dwc-> time for someone to update the docs!
Jun 21 17:44:58 <LoneStar99> what is another alternative to webview?
Jun 21 17:45:40 <LoneStar99> this.controller.setupWidget("candy", {url: link});  --> gets "error: EXCEPTION [setup], (TypeError): "Cannot read property '_mojoController' of undefined""
Jun 21 17:46:31 <Tibfib_> NO CANDY FOR YOU
Jun 21 17:46:46 <Tibfib_> I'm not sure how webviews are set up
Jun 21 17:47:25 <Tibfib_> webos101 just says:   this.controller.setupWidget('WebView', {'url': 'http://www.example.com'}, {});
Jun 21 17:47:34 <LoneStar99> it is screwed up works fine in one scene, but the scene i need it to work gives me that shit error above
Jun 21 17:47:35 <Tibfib_> http://webos101.com/WebView
Jun 21 17:47:37 <Tibfib_> bbl
Jun 21 17:47:45 <LoneStar99> lates
Jun 21 17:53:56 <sugardave> yay, benefits enrolled
Jun 21 17:54:21 <hotdp> sugardave: ?
Jun 21 17:56:26 <sugardave> health insurance
Jun 21 17:56:53 <LoneStar99> ok fingured out what was killing webview -->this.controller.pushScene({name:"first", disableSceneScroller: true});
Jun 21 17:57:45 <hotdp> sugardave: good thing we don't need that here :D
Jun 21 17:57:56 <LoneStar99> web view can not be set to an absolute/ z-index position i noticed also....
Jun 21 17:59:47 <Tibfib_> ah yeah. it needs a scroller
Jun 21 18:00:32 <tyranir> what's the 'best' way to get to view logs in the emulator?
Jun 21 18:01:08 <singmajesty> palm-log?
Jun 21 18:01:33 <tyranir> thx
Jun 21 18:04:42 <sugardave> ssh into it:   log [partofappid]
Jun 21 18:04:48 <sugardave> that's my favorite :D
Jun 21 18:04:59 <sugardave> Ares debugger works, too
Jun 21 18:05:47 <singmajesty> ...or if you're on a Unix platform, novaterm
Jun 21 18:05:53 <singmajesty> I guess there's a few ways :)
Jun 21 18:06:07 <sugardave> there's even novaterm for win, but it is kind of lame
Jun 21 18:06:09 <Tibfib_> OR USE MAGIC
Jun 21 18:06:16 <singmajesty> Rod Whitby gave me pointers to SSHFS ... I thought that was pretty cool
Jun 21 18:06:35 <singmajesty> Not for logging, but for file manipulation.
Jun 21 18:06:44 <singmajesty> Hey, I should use that for compiling on the device!
Jun 21 18:06:48 <singmajesty> That could be sweet. Hmm...
Jun 21 18:07:06 <singmajesty> (In Linux. It creates a file system based on SSH, so you can open the device like a directory)
Jun 21 18:07:26 <sugardave> Lumberjack is cool, too
Jun 21 18:07:37 <sugardave> singmajesty: oooo, that sounds cool
Jun 21 18:07:48 <summatusmentis> sshfs is available on OS X too
Jun 21 18:07:56 <summatusmentis> or any OS that has FUSE
Jun 21 18:08:13 <sugardave> cygwin might work...but I have problems with tools because it's 32-bit and I'm on 64-bit
Jun 21 18:08:17 <singmajesty> sudo apt-get install sshfs
Jun 21 18:08:33 <singmajesty> I hate it when projects tell you it requires cygwin
Jun 21 18:08:36 <singmajesty> Like PhoneGap
Jun 21 18:08:39 <Loudergood> <3 apt
Jun 21 18:08:49 <singmajesty> I'm going to have to make a batch script for that or something, for Windows users
Jun 21 18:09:05 <singmajesty> No reason you should have to install cygwin just to use a make script for something like that :)
Jun 21 18:09:24 <sugardave> PhoneGap guys would probably appreciate that
Jun 21 18:09:46 <singmajesty> I guess the idea is a shared script, where batch files and shell scripts aren't shared
Jun 21 18:10:02 <singmajesty> ...but I'm sure it would be possible to work something out.
Jun 21 18:10:29 <singmajesty> (I'm not a fan of cygwin... it always feels uncomfortable to me)
Jun 21 18:11:01 <haeffb_pre> sshfs is installed on device? or laptop?
Jun 21 18:11:14 <sugardave> laptop
Jun 21 18:11:19 <singmajesty> host
Jun 21 18:11:57 <summatusmentis> haeffb_pre: sshfs is a file system translator so that it looks "local", even though it's all happening over ssh to a remote device
Jun 21 18:12:19 <haeffb_pre> cool
Jun 21 18:12:35 <singmajesty> sshfs user@host: mountpoint
Jun 21 18:12:47 <summatusmentis> I used to use it on my pre, but then I'd walk away from the network, and it'd make my host all angry
Jun 21 18:12:58 <summatusmentis> but I also don't have dev devices
Jun 21 18:13:09 <singmajesty> I probably use novaterm the most
Jun 21 18:13:24 <LoneStar99> wasted 5+ hours on a stupid "true" instead of "false" on disableSceneScroller
Jun 21 18:13:38 <LoneStar99> what an idiot
Jun 21 18:14:02 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: I spent all day yesterday trying to figure out why my code wasn't executing, turned out to be my if logic was backwards :(
Jun 21 18:14:25 <haeffb_pre> !
Jun 21 18:14:48 * haeffb_pre used to use winSCP
Jun 21 18:15:43 <singmajesty> } else { console.log ("Hello World!"); } if (theWorldIsRound) {
Jun 21 18:16:15 <sugardave> that don't work good
Jun 21 18:17:04 <singmajesty> sdrawkcab nehw tn'seod tI
Jun 21 18:17:10 <singmajesty> Oops
Jun 21 18:17:19 <singmajesty> sdrawkcab nehw krow tn'seod tI
Jun 21 18:17:21 <singmajesty> There.
Jun 21 18:17:28 <sugardave> showoff
Jun 21 18:17:37 <singmajesty> ffowohs
Jun 21 18:18:03 <singmajesty> I'm a mirror, you are glue
Jun 21 18:18:17 <singmajesty> Wait, uhh ... *brain hurts*
Jun 21 18:18:21 <sugardave> heh
Jun 21 18:18:21 <singmajesty> umm.
Jun 21 18:18:26 <sugardave> better than a grue
Jun 21 18:18:33 <singmajesty> Gnu?
Jun 21 18:18:50 <singmajesty> I'm a mirror, you're a Gnu. Look at me, see? You look funny and you smell!
Jun 21 18:18:52 <singmajesty> Haha, I got it!
Jun 21 18:18:59 <sugardave> heh
Jun 21 18:18:59 <singmajesty> So there
Jun 21 18:19:54 <singmajesty> I investigated
Jun 21 18:19:55 <singmajesty> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41OTOIUFPfL._AA300_.jpg
Jun 21 18:20:08 <singmajesty> Discovered that it *is* open source, but not copy left.
Jun 21 18:20:25 <sugardave> heh
Jun 21 18:21:02 <singmajesty> One of the things I think is funny about the label is that there is a little bird chirping, "It works!"
Jun 21 18:21:09 <singmajesty> ...as if there was concern that it doesn't?
Jun 21 18:21:17 <singmajesty> Which seemed fitting for the "GNU" monniker
Jun 21 18:21:30 <singmajesty> That should be the slogan on my next piece of software
Jun 21 18:21:41 <singmajesty> "Download Enyo+Haxe. It works!"
Jun 21 18:21:47 <singmajesty> 'nuff said.
Jun 21 18:21:55 <sugardave> simple and to the point
Jun 21 18:23:26 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  well that makes me feel better, but damn "false"
Jun 21 18:25:33 <singmajesty> if (false) { worldIsRound = !true }
Jun 21 18:27:28 <sugardave> if (!(!true)) {// go go go}
Jun 21 18:33:15 <ramitos> has anyone tried to write an enyo app with a node.js service?
Jun 21 18:34:16 <Tibfib> if anyone has, they probably wouldn't be able to say
Jun 21 18:39:50 <LoneStar99> if a webview is linked to a page that refreshes every 10 seconds, should the content in the webview refresh as well?
Jun 21 18:41:03 <sugardave> maybe....
Jun 21 18:42:16 <LoneStar99> yeah trying to figure that one out, testing it out...
Jun 21 19:17:43 <Popple3> HP are being relentless on Twitter no matter how much it backfires O.o
Jun 21 19:18:10 <sugardave> who is Stoobig and why should I phone them?
Jun 21 19:18:16 <Flashpass> haha, is it backfiring?
Jun 21 19:19:05 <Popple3> hpveer, people thought it was about Harry Potter and/or hpv
Jun 21 19:19:30 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 21 19:19:45 <Popple3> smallbutpowerful turned into on of those stupid TTs and even on the likes of whatthetrend, there was no mention of HP being the reason
Jun 21 19:20:15 <Popple3> and now phonestoobig, well, that was never gonna relate to the veer for many people
Jun 21 19:20:41 <dwc-> http://www.tekgoblin.com/2011/06/20/dropbox-was-accessible-with-no-password-oops/ oops....
Jun 21 19:20:47 <dwc-> is right
Jun 21 19:20:48 <Popple3> sugardave: I don't know, but dammit I want his/her number!
Jun 21 19:21:15 <Popple3> dwc-: Yeah... :/ Doesn't exactly strike confidence in me as a user...
Jun 21 19:22:20 <Flashpass> seems like everything i use nowadays has a security breach
Jun 21 19:23:37 <Popple3> Flashpass: Yeah, fact is, unique passwords all around is the only solution. Which really sucks...
Jun 21 19:24:44 <Flashpass> Popple3: yeah it does, I'm using lastpass right now which works okay accept when you don't have access to it - and they has a mini breachof their own lol
Jun 21 19:24:48 <sugardave> I used to work in the security pillar at IBM/Tivoli.  Nobody cares about securing their IT infrastructure.  It's pretty sad.
Jun 21 19:25:28 <Popple3> Flashpass: I use this: http://www.passwordcard.org/en coupled with 1Password for when I'm at my laptop
Jun 21 19:25:48 <Flashpass> will check it out
Jun 21 19:26:41 <Popple3> it's handy
Jun 21 19:26:53 <Popple3> in fact. I believe it's time for app
Jun 21 19:26:54 <Popple3> brb
Jun 21 19:26:56 <Popple3> :P
Jun 21 19:53:30 <LoneStar99> firefox 5.0 available for download or update
Jun 21 20:03:03 <halfhalo> arg.  my hands have decided to stop working due to cold.
Jun 21 20:03:22 <dcousineau> come visit me
Jun 21 20:03:26 <dcousineau> you won't see cold for a very long time
Jun 21 20:03:35 <LoneStar99> tired of talking of webview, but need it in my app for now, anyways, my url is dynamic in nature retrieved by an ajax call, which works, but not fast enough before the stupid webview is setup therefore url is empty and webview is useless....
Jun 21 20:03:41 <LoneStar99> what do you all recommend?
Jun 21 20:04:36 <tyranir> so I got pinching to work, except it's triggering the swipe event handler sometimes... any ideas on how to make them work together?
Jun 21 20:22:56 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Create the webview in the ajax call...?
Jun 21 20:23:26 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Or create the webview when the scene is created, and just set the URL in the ajax call?
Jun 21 20:30:14 <LoneStar99> Popple3:  ok thinking...
Jun 21 20:32:15 <LoneStar99> Popple: the problem is webview has to be setup in "setup" or else it throws and error
Jun 21 20:32:44 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Can you just throw it about:blank as it's URL or something? Or perhaps a blank local html file?
Jun 21 20:32:49 <Popple3> then set the URL after
Jun 21 20:33:28 <LoneStar99> Popple: i would love for it to do that but so far no go...
Jun 21 20:34:04 <LoneStar99> not sure how to update webview URL after it has already been setup
Jun 21 20:34:22 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Using Mojo I assume?
Jun 21 20:34:43 <LoneStar99> i am using the following code --> http://pastebin.com/Wi8gfids
Jun 21 20:35:17 <LoneStar99> brb in 15 lunch time
Jun 21 20:35:30 <LoneStar99> well late lunch
Jun 21 20:40:01 <Popple3> LoneStar99: WebView has an openURL method
Jun 21 20:43:52 <dcousineau> LoneStar99: maybe this will help https://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/blob/master/app/assistants/get-twitter-pin-assistant.js
Jun 21 20:44:09 <dcousineau> using webview to display twitter pin, and open a drawer when a particular url is reached for the user to input the pin they see
Jun 21 20:44:16 <dcousineau> have to make a request to twitter to grab the url to send the user to
Jun 21 20:45:47 <dcousineau> LoneStar99: lines 137-144 is an ajax req to grab the url for the webview to open
Jun 21 20:46:14 <dwc-> firefox 5? I'm still on 3!
Jun 21 20:46:54 <Loudergood> the js engine is a hell of a lot faster
Jun 21 20:53:17 <b0bben> evening all
Jun 21 20:53:30 <b0bben> or morning to you across the pond
Jun 21 20:53:56 <Flashpass> mid day for me lol
Jun 21 20:54:40 <dcousineau> midafternoon here
Jun 21 20:54:57 <Popple3> evening b0bben
Jun 21 20:55:09 <dcousineau> not goig to hit 100 degrees farenheit today, so it is a good midafternoon at that
Jun 21 20:55:34 <b0bben> dcousineau: damn, send some of that heat here
Jun 21 20:55:41 <dcousineau> you can have all of it
Jun 21 20:55:42 <dcousineau> all.
Jun 21 20:55:56 <dcousineau> i'll even pay for shipping
Jun 21 20:56:04 <Popple3> temperature is perfect here, just need to get rid of the damn rain
Jun 21 20:56:07 <Loudergood> amazing, and I was upset at 80
Jun 21 20:56:15 <Tibfib> yeah it's pretty nice here too
Jun 21 20:56:17 <Tibfib> 80ish
Jun 21 20:56:33 <dcousineau> screw you all :(
Jun 21 20:56:38 <dcousineau> was 103 2 days ago
Jun 21 20:56:38 <Loudergood> I don't take heat very well, and I don't have A/C anywhere
Jun 21 20:56:47 <Loudergood> so 80 is about 10F too hot
Jun 21 20:57:12 <Tibfib> dcousineau: hey, it's been near 100 every other day this week
Jun 21 20:57:15 <Loudergood> on the other hand it does give me an excuse to go to the ice cream stand
Jun 21 20:57:29 <dcousineau> Tibfib: near is not over :|
Jun 21 20:57:54 <Tibfib> and it's super humid
Jun 21 20:57:59 <Popple3> you and your crazy temperature system
Jun 21 20:58:24 <dcousineau> we like to make things difficult
Jun 21 20:58:54 <Clark008> is the pre plus going to get 3.0?
Jun 21 20:58:57 <Popple3> indeed
Jun 21 20:59:19 <halfhalo> its like 80F here in socal but in my office its freaking 65
Jun 21 20:59:25 <halfhalo> my hands are coooold
Jun 21 20:59:32 <Clark008> cool
Jun 21 20:59:33 <Popple3> it's 9º here right now :P
Jun 21 20:59:42 <Clark008> I thought the hardware wouldn't support it
Jun 21 20:59:56 <Popple3> Clark008: Sorry, that was aimed at dcousineau
Jun 21 21:00:00 <Clark008> ah
Jun 21 21:00:12 <Clark008> so does anyone know if pre plus going to get 3.0?
Jun 21 21:00:16 <Popple3> Clark008: I doubt it :/
Jun 21 21:00:22 <Clark008> =\
Jun 21 21:00:27 <Loudergood> most carriers wouldn't even approve 2.1
Jun 21 21:00:29 <Tibfib> No, it's not
Jun 21 21:00:29 <dcousineau> bout as likely as the pre- getting 2.0
Jun 21 21:00:30 <Clark008> it's got better hardware than the veer
Jun 21 21:00:42 <summatusmentis> it... what/
Jun 21 21:00:43 <Tibfib> I don't think that's true
Jun 21 21:00:44 <Loudergood> not by a long show
Jun 21 21:00:48 <Loudergood> long shot
Jun 21 21:00:48 <Clark008> well, non ota then?
Jun 21 21:00:51 <Popple3> Clark008: doesn't the veer have a 800MHz CPU?
Jun 21 21:00:56 <Clark008> yeah
Jun 21 21:00:58 <Popple3> And a newer arch
Jun 21 21:01:07 <Popple3> Pre+ is 600MHz, no?
Jun 21 21:01:25 <dcousineau> iirc pre+ only got a ram bump right?
Jun 21 21:01:29 <Tibfib> yep
Jun 21 21:01:33 <Tibfib> and NO BUTTON
Jun 21 21:01:40 <dcousineau> MAH BUTTON
Jun 21 21:01:52 <Flashpass> haha, i kind of liked the button....
Jun 21 21:02:02 <dcousineau> i thoguht i did
Jun 21 21:02:06 <dcousineau> then i frankened my pre-
Jun 21 21:02:20 <Tibfib> so I was looking through my old stuff trying to find oblivion, and I found my old cd case
Jun 21 21:02:24 <Tibfib> best of styx here I come
Jun 21 21:02:34 <dcousineau> hahah
Jun 21 21:02:40 <Clark008> ohh, I thought pre+ is 1ghz
Jun 21 21:02:45 <Clark008> ah, that was the pre 2
Jun 21 21:02:47 <Clark008> frack
Jun 21 21:04:05 <Loudergood> the Pre2 is the one we don't know about
Jun 21 21:04:40 <Loudergood> of course we could always spread the rumor that what palm meant by make it right was to make 3.0 for every device...wouldn't that make the forums go crazy?
Jun 21 21:05:27 <Tibfib> laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddddyyyyyyyyyy
Jun 21 21:05:56 <dcousineau> Tibfib: I've been having a chuck mangione day. can't exactly sing along to that on irc
Jun 21 21:06:06 <Tibfib> heheh
Jun 21 21:06:08 <dcousineau> ddefc#
Jun 21 21:06:15 <Clark008> what about 2.2?
Jun 21 21:08:22 <HattCzech_work> hey chuqui... were you able to pass that info along to someone who might find it useful?
Jun 21 21:09:02 <singmajesty> I think the main difference between webOS 2.1 and 2.2 is touch-to-share support
Jun 21 21:09:25 <singmajesty> I think there are hardware differences in the Veer and Pre 3 that make that possible, versus previous devices
Jun 21 21:10:04 <LoneStar99> dcousineau:  ok thanks, will look at the code
Jun 21 21:11:07 <Tibfib> Clark008: if the pre+ didn't get 2.1, it's not going to get 2.2
Jun 21 21:14:35 <singmajesty> It did in Europe
Jun 21 21:16:12 <Tibfib> true
Jun 21 21:16:35 <Tibfib> through a doctor though, right?
Jun 21 21:17:29 <Clark008> 2.2 for pre 2?
Jun 21 21:18:00 <Tibfib> hopefully
Jun 21 21:18:20 <Loudergood> the truth is nobody knows, except maybe some palm employees...and even then they probably aren't sure if it will be released or not
Jun 21 21:18:32 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 21 21:18:39 <Clark008> that sucks
Jun 21 21:18:48 <Clark008> I should just stick to android
Jun 21 21:18:52 <Popple3> I'd be surprised if Pre 2 didn't get 3.0 tbh
Jun 21 21:19:18 <Loudergood> me too, especially with how hard they pushed it as a dev device
Jun 21 21:19:32 <Popple3> and the fact that it's more powerful than the Veer
Jun 21 21:19:33 <Clark008> considering how they brag about how light it runs, it should be going to veer too
Jun 21 21:19:34 <Popple3> so no excuses
Jun 21 21:19:55 <Loudergood> no doubt the veer is getting it
Jun 21 21:20:05 <Tibfib> Yeah, pre2 will probably
Jun 21 21:20:20 <Loudergood> whether AT&T will push it though...who knows
Jun 21 21:20:33 <Tibfib> that's a good question
Jun 21 21:20:38 * Loudergood really dislikes carriers
Jun 21 21:20:41 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 21 21:20:47 <Clark008> can't we just compile our own?
Jun 21 21:20:48 <Tibfib> palm needs to get their updates away from carriers
Jun 21 21:20:56 <Tibfib> Clark008: kind of
Jun 21 21:21:06 <singmajesty> Don't forget that a lot of Android devices don't get upgraded
Jun 21 21:21:23 <Clark008> not ota upgrades, but roms are flexible out there
Jun 21 21:21:26 <Loudergood> feels like we need a new Carterfone decision
Jun 21 21:21:32 <singmajesty> There just happen to be more of them, so the likelihood of being able to move to a newer version is higher
Jun 21 21:21:33 <Tibfib> Yeah, seriously. android isn't much better
Jun 21 21:21:40 <Tibfib> worse probably
Jun 21 21:21:42 <singmajesty> newer device, rather
Jun 21 21:21:49 <dcousineau> Tibfib: definitely worse
Jun 21 21:21:52 <singmajesty> I just wish carriers weren't such a pain
Jun 21 21:21:58 <dcousineau> I had a launch pre and actually go updates
Jun 21 21:22:06 <dcousineau> now they did fall off when tehy shuttered 1.x
Jun 21 21:22:09 <Clark008> I would've liked pre plus to at least get 2.2
Jun 21 21:22:27 <singmajesty> dousineau: We met in Sunnyvale, right? Or am I confusing you with someone else
Jun 21 21:22:38 <Tibfib> that was his evil twin brother, gary
Jun 21 21:23:34 <dcousineau> singmajesty: likely
Jun 21 21:23:43 <dcousineau> Tibfib: FUCKING GARY
Jun 21 21:24:25 <dcousineau> singmajesty: I was there on the first one... the 9th right?
Jun 21 21:28:19 <LoneStar99> dcousineau: ok thanks the openURL worked,
Jun 21 21:29:08 <singmajesty> ...and you were there with Jauder and Tom at the webOS workshop a week or two ago?
Jun 21 21:32:23 <LoneStar99> sugardave: going back to webview refreshing it seems it does not...
Jun 21 21:32:45 <Tibfib> nooooooooo my styx cd is scratched
Jun 21 21:33:06 <singmajesty> hah
Jun 21 21:33:08 <dcousineau> singmajesty: was hanging out with them around then end of the day yah
Jun 21 21:33:11 <dcousineau> Tibfib: HAR
Jun 21 21:33:12 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: ole skool
Jun 21 21:33:37 <singmajesty> dcousineau: I was the Palm employee who was working on the "fat packaging" approach for PDK apps
Jun 21 21:33:50 * dcousineau hands Tibfib a Judas Priest cd "Man up"
Jun 21 21:33:52 <Tibfib> do**o mar*o g*to m* ro*b*to
Jun 21 21:34:20 <dcousineau> singmajesty: ah yes
Jun 21 21:34:39 <dcousineau> singmajesty: pdk guy over with adora at the end of th night?
Jun 21 21:34:42 <maik> dommo mario goto mr roboto?
Jun 21 21:34:45 <singmajesty> dcousineau: Right
Jun 21 21:34:48 <maik> because...damn
Jun 21 21:34:58 <singmajesty> I noticed you had Spaz on your name tag. Are you a contributor? Did you write it?
Jun 21 21:35:05 <Tibfib> HE DOES NOTHING
Jun 21 21:35:06 <maik> oh, scratched cd.  i was afraid
Jun 21 21:35:08 <LoneStar99> FAT like as in Windows FAT?
Jun 21 21:35:10 <Tibfib> just takes credit
Jun 21 21:35:10 <Flashpass> how many palm employees actually frequent this channel?
Jun 21 21:35:22 <singmajesty> multi-packaging
Jun 21 21:35:26 <Tibfib> Flashpass: 5ish ?
Jun 21 21:35:26 <summatusmentis> a few, off and on
Jun 21 21:35:33 <singmajesty> So you have, say, an ARMv6 and an ARMv7 binary in the same application
Jun 21 21:35:36 <Flashpass> thats cool
Jun 21 21:35:45 <singmajesty> It will launch, determine the device you're running on, then launch the correct binary
Jun 21 21:35:48 <Tibfib> I know of 4 now
Jun 21 21:35:54 <singmajesty> Works with the existing app catalog architecture
Jun 21 21:36:00 <singmajesty> Chuq, Dave, Lisa and myself?
Jun 21 21:36:06 <Tibfib> yep, on now
Jun 21 21:36:17 <Tibfib> steve (I think that's his name) comes on often
Jun 21 21:36:20 <Tibfib> lemketron
Jun 21 21:36:50 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: clearly I don't know the app catalog arch, but I thought it was using ipkg. What does getting those binaries in the same package get you?
Jun 21 21:36:52 <Flashpass> that's awesome - some devs some relations or so?
Jun 21 21:37:05 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 21 21:38:28 <singmajesty> Chuq manages the Developer Portal, and Lisa manages App Submissions. I'm in Developer Relations for the PDK, and I don't know what Dave does ;)
Jun 21 21:38:41 <singmajesty> Steve works with the developer tools, like the emulator
Jun 21 21:39:03 <Tibfib> no one knows what dave does
Jun 21 21:39:28 <Tibfib> yeah, I think Steve is the emulator guy
Jun 21 21:39:46 <singmajesty> Steve's cool
Jun 21 21:39:51 <Flashpass> haha, thats cool - I've been in talks with a dev relations employee named Adam
Jun 21 21:40:01 <Flashpass> my app was approved this weekend - woo hoo!
Jun 21 21:40:07 <Tibfib> ah, I think I've been in contact with him before
Jun 21 21:40:14 <Tibfib> Flashpass: nice, congrats!
Jun 21 21:41:13 <summatusmentis> I should finish work on/finish mine
Jun 21 21:41:14 <Flashpass> thanks! I guess I have Lisa to thank for it haha
Jun 21 21:41:26 <Tibfib> mind sharing what it is? or is that a secret?
Jun 21 21:41:28 <summatusmentis> I don't see it happening in a week and a half though
Jun 21 21:42:48 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: was that question to me or Flashpass?
Jun 21 21:42:51 <Flashpass> Tibfib: well I normally wouldn't mind, but I don't know if some of the potential competitor devs frequent the channel :)
Jun 21 21:42:52 <singmajesty> summatusmentis: The reason why you would multi-pack a PDK application is to avoid having separate IPKs for, say, the Pixi and the Veer
Jun 21 21:43:07 <Tibfib> Flashpass: heh, fair enougth
Jun 21 21:43:15 <Tibfib> sugardave: to Flashpass
Jun 21 21:43:24 <Tibfib> ... summatusmentis: to Flashpass
Jun 21 21:43:35 <Tibfib> but same question, summatusmentis?
Jun 21 21:43:40 <singmajesty> Theoretically, you can compile one application which runs on everything (that's what I do), but some developers have things set up so they need to have separate binaries. Giving them a multi-pack solution lets them avoid having multiple IPKs in the catalog
Jun 21 21:44:02 <dcousineau> ugh dedup in the app catalog will be nice.
Jun 21 21:44:04 <Tibfib> but that means webOS has more apps in the catalog!
Jun 21 21:44:05 <singmajesty> Multi-pack is even more important for SDK apps, though
Jun 21 21:44:10 <singmajesty> Mojo + Enyo
Jun 21 21:44:14 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: oooh, I see, so for the "public" view of the catalog, you'd normally need separate versions
Jun 21 21:44:25 <singmajesty> Here's an example --
Jun 21 21:44:29 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: a references/citations manager/reader
Jun 21 21:44:30 <singmajesty> I bought Angry Birds for my Pre
Jun 21 21:44:39 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: nice
Jun 21 21:44:42 <singmajesty> I get a Veer, and its missing. Oh! There's Angry Birds for the Pixi. Separate app ID
Jun 21 21:44:50 <singmajesty> So I have to buy all over again to have the same app
Jun 21 21:45:10 <singmajesty> Multi-pack avoids that problem, but "fat packaging" is actually a technical term to describe that approach
Jun 21 21:45:29 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: in the long run, similar to Papers for iPgibw, but ideally backed by the cloud, and not a desktop app
Jun 21 21:45:44 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: right, "fat packaging" == Universal Binary, yes?
Jun 21 21:45:59 <summatusmentis> oh, wait, no, the single binary thing that you mentioned above is this
Jun 21 21:46:11 <summatusmentis> "fat packaging" is just multiple binaries in one ipk
Jun 21 21:47:27 <Tibfib> whoa, this one song didn't rip right. it sounds craaazy
Jun 21 21:47:39 <singmajesty> "Universal Binary" is generally a fat package approach, I think
Jun 21 21:47:42 <Flashpass> Tibfib: are you a webos developer?
Jun 21 21:47:45 <Tibfib> yep!
Jun 21 21:47:52 <LoneStar99> dcousineau:  i need to reload a webview every say 5 or 10 seconds what do you recommend?
Jun 21 21:47:58 <LoneStar99> "reloadPage " Method?
Jun 21 21:48:07 <dcousineau> if it exists, give it a shot
Jun 21 21:48:19 <Flashpass> Tibfib: can you say which app? :)
Jun 21 21:48:22 <dcousineau> though if yoyure just loading the same url
Jun 21 21:48:33 <Tibfib> Flashpass: for mojo, I have Koto Player, and Countdown Puzzles
Jun 21 21:48:34 <dcousineau> just openUrl the smae url over and over again
Jun 21 21:48:40 <Tibfib> for enyo I've been working on Spaz HD with some losers
Jun 21 21:48:44 <dcousineau> incase user accidetnally redirects away and you end up refreshing something else
Jun 21 21:48:49 <Tibfib> s/losers/nice guys/
Jun 21 21:48:53 <Flashpass> Tibfib: haha
Jun 21 21:49:01 <dcousineau> Tibfib: yeah, nguarracino is so lame
Jun 21 21:49:16 <Flashpass> Tibfib: nice! I just started on enyo
Jun 21 21:49:34 <Tibfib> nice! I love enyo
Jun 21 21:49:47 <summatusmentis> I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around it
Jun 21 21:49:48 <Flashpass> yeah it was incredibly easy to make a pretty solid app from
Jun 21 21:50:00 <summatusmentis> the mojo method makes more sense to me
Jun 21 21:50:07 <summatusmentis> but I don't come from a webdev background
Jun 21 21:50:26 <Flashpass> yeah same, i just came from android/iphone/winmo world
Jun 21 21:50:38 <Tibfib> I didn't come from web dev, and I still think mojo is way worse
Jun 21 21:50:43 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 21 21:51:13 <dcousineau> I would think enyo is slightly more akin to common desktop ui tks than mojo was
Jun 21 21:51:18 <summatusmentis> Flashpass: I do distributed filesystems in C :)
Jun 21 21:51:27 <Flashpass> haha, a bit different
Jun 21 21:51:34 <summatusmentis> indeed
Jun 21 21:51:49 <Flashpass> to me the ios stuff was the least intuitive and most effort to create an app
Jun 21 21:51:52 <summatusmentis> a potential future-advisor wants me to learn android dev
Jun 21 21:52:33 <Tibfib> I've considered trying windows phone 7
Jun 21 21:52:52 <Flashpass> yeah, admittedly i really like c# lol
Jun 21 21:53:36 <Flashpass> for android the pain is just having everything work on all devices, especially if its a pretty complicated app
Jun 21 21:54:08 <summatusmentis> I should spend some time this summer writing a toy app in android
Jun 21 21:54:50 <Tibfib> yeah , I'll never dev android
Jun 21 21:54:55 <Tibfib> if I can help it
Jun 21 21:55:15 <dcousineau> *shrug* spent too much time in Java in school, so no interest in Android. Like C# but hate Windows and silverlight, so no WP7. Only other platform i'd considder is ios and not going that route
Jun 21 21:56:44 <Flashpass> ios a pain haha - out of all of them enyo seemed to get a nice looking app created in a short amount of time
Jun 21 21:57:49 <singmajesty> Developing C++ on Android was
Jun 21 21:57:51 <singmajesty> I shouldn't say
Jun 21 21:58:27 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 21 21:58:40 <singmajesty> It was like a relentless gnome, chasing and harassing me the whole way through, clubbing me with his little spiked club
Jun 21 21:58:50 <summatusmentis> in enyo, I need to figure out basically oauth and interfacing with an API
Jun 21 21:58:53 <Tibfib> I'm trying to think of an app to make
Jun 21 21:59:00 <singmajesty> "Nooo! You can't load that file! Nooo! You can't play that sound file! Nooo! You can't save that setting!"
Jun 21 21:59:08 <Popple3> Tibfib: You and me both...
Jun 21 21:59:12 <Tibfib> :/
Jun 21 21:59:16 <dcousineau> Tibfib: me too
Jun 21 21:59:18 <Flashpass> oauth is a pain sometimes too if there isn't a library, i had to imlpement it manually a couple years back haha
Jun 21 21:59:22 <dcousineau> Tibfib: actually, I need to finish my reddit app
Jun 21 21:59:26 <singmajesty> Perhaps there is a more vivid and business illustration I could use to describe the experience, but (strangely?) that is the image that came to mind
Jun 21 21:59:33 <Tibfib> FINISH MY PULL TO REFRESH
Jun 21 21:59:41 <dcousineau> Tibfib: ARGHLEPBALRGLE
Jun 21 21:59:43 <Tibfib> oh wait, that was assigned to nick
Jun 21 21:59:49 <dcousineau> I GIVE YOU MOUSE SCROLL AND MODIFIED SLIDING PANE
Jun 21 21:59:53 <dcousineau> WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT
Jun 21 22:00:02 <dcousineau> dear god have I abused enyo internals
Jun 21 22:00:04 <Tibfib> MAGIC
Jun 21 22:00:18 <dcousineau> when I was in sunnyvale connectrix or whatever his twitter handle was was HORRIFIED
Jun 21 22:00:25 <dcousineau> when I pulll open enyo source to figure something out
Jun 21 22:00:30 <Tibfib> hahaah
Jun 21 22:00:37 <dcousineau> "Don't go in there!" he says
Jun 21 22:00:40 <dcousineau> yeah too late buddy
Jun 21 22:00:42 <singmajesty> Hah
Jun 21 22:00:42 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 21 22:00:43 <Tibfib> lol
Jun 21 22:00:50 <summatusmentis> Flashpass: afaict, there's no library for oauth
Jun 21 22:01:35 <Flashpass> maybe..  http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/code/javascript/
Jun 21 22:01:39 <dcousineau> JSOAuth
Jun 21 22:01:52 <dcousineau> Tibfib: whosisface likes it for the twitter part
Jun 21 22:02:13 <summatusmentis> wait, if that works, you're my favorite, Flashpass
Jun 21 22:02:14 <Tibfib> funkatron?
Jun 21 22:02:16 <Tibfib> or someone else?
Jun 21 22:02:27 <summatusmentis> I've been dreading needing to implement it
Jun 21 22:02:28 <dcousineau> https://github.com/bytespider/jsOAuth
Jun 21 22:02:37 <dcousineau> Tibfib: it was someone else
Jun 21 22:02:43 <Flashpass> it was linked from http://oauth.net/code/ -- hopefully it at least halfway works lol
Jun 21 22:02:45 <dcousineau> blanking on hi sname
Jun 21 22:03:02 <dcousineau> summatusmentis: the link I gave is what we use for Twitter oauth in spaz
Jun 21 22:03:25 <Tibfib> so it works
Jun 21 22:03:39 <dcousineau> that or i've bene hallucinating for weeks
Jun 21 22:03:50 <summatusmentis> dcousineau: oh, I missed the link the first time. I tried webos-oauth from github a while ago (in mojo) and couldn't make it happy
Jun 21 22:04:12 <summatusmentis> but I might use this, if it's known to work
Jun 21 22:04:13 <summatusmentis> neat
Jun 21 22:04:14 <summatusmentis> thanks
Jun 21 22:04:21 <dcousineau> summatusmentis: https://github.com/bytespider/jsOAuth yeah, I avoided mojo and enyo's xmlhttprequestwrappers and used something else usually
Jun 21 22:04:56 * Tibfib might make a game
Jun 21 22:05:23 <Tibfib> html/js
Jun 21 22:05:24 * Popple3 wishes he was creative enough to make a game
Jun 21 22:05:36 <summatusmentis> dcousineau: so d'you just follow the Usage heading?
Jun 21 22:05:43 <summatusmentis> that looks much easier than what I tried to use
Jun 21 22:05:53 <Tibfib> I want to make a game that uses the touchpad too
Jun 21 22:05:58 <Tibfib> and a phone
Jun 21 22:06:01 <Tibfib> that'd be so great
Jun 21 22:06:03 <dcousineau> summatusmentis: ? if it's a specific oauth implementation details dunno, I didn't actually integrate oauth
Jun 21 22:06:05 <twbbas> Like scrabble
Jun 21 22:06:08 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 21 22:06:10 <dcousineau> summatusmentis: I just know jsoauth works ;)
Jun 21 22:06:15 <singmajesty> Multiplayer?
Jun 21 22:06:18 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 21 22:06:21 <singmajesty> Cool
Jun 21 22:06:30 <summatusmentis> dcousineau: fair enough
Jun 21 22:06:31 <Tibfib> I just don't have any ideas
Jun 21 22:06:31 <twbbas> "Ok everyone. Tap your phone to my TouchPad to join the game!"
Jun 21 22:06:35 <summatusmentis> I'll play with it this weekend maybe
Jun 21 22:06:37 <Tibfib> that would be awesome
Jun 21 22:06:44 <singmajesty> I know there's some zeroconf stuff for doing an ad-hoc WiFi network
Jun 21 22:06:44 <twbbas> That'd be sick
Jun 21 22:07:01 <singmajesty> Or obviously you can use a server technology like PHP, node.js, etc.
Jun 21 22:07:40 <summatusmentis> I came accross a node.js zeroconf implementation
Jun 21 22:08:01 <singmajesty> For webOS?
Jun 21 22:08:08 <summatusmentis> no, it was generic to node.js
Jun 21 22:08:16 <singmajesty> It has zeroconf baked in, but I haven't used it myself yet
Jun 21 22:08:26 <dcousineau> orly hmm
Jun 21 22:08:30 <summatusmentis> I've been thinking about direct device to device communication sort of off an on
Jun 21 22:08:41 <Popple3> Tibfib: How about some sort of card game, where your hand is literally cards in webOS on your phone. When you close the card, it sends it over to a touchpad
Jun 21 22:08:53 <summatusmentis> I'd ultimately like to see a framework for across the net communication, not only local networks
Jun 21 22:09:01 <singmajesty> Like AJAX?
Jun 21 22:09:08 <summatusmentis> so, you know, in all my spare time that's what I'll do
Jun 21 22:09:09 <singmajesty> Ah, you mean, yeah.
Jun 21 22:09:19 <summatusmentis> well, sure, like ajax, except not client-server
Jun 21 22:09:19 <singmajesty> Like a super-simple, ready-to-go multiplayer framework
Jun 21 22:09:27 <Tibfib> Popple3: that'd be interesting
Jun 21 22:09:30 <singmajesty> Install X on your server, install Y in your game. Code your messages
Jun 21 22:09:43 <singmajesty> That would be awesome
Jun 21 22:09:56 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: yeah, almost, except I'd like to see it almost p2p
Jun 21 22:10:09 <Tibfib> bbiab
Jun 21 22:10:11 <Popple3> Tibfib: Pointless, but interesting :P
Jun 21 22:10:15 <summatusmentis> node A installs the same thing as node B, then code your messages
Jun 21 22:10:16 <dcousineau> who was that compnay that was building the services for webos devs
Jun 21 22:10:18 <dcousineau> leaderboards and shit
Jun 21 22:10:33 <summatusmentis> umm... I vaguely remember, but I've gapped the name
Jun 21 22:11:06 <dcousineau> yeah
Jun 21 22:12:08 <summatusmentis> there was an article on webosroundup
Jun 21 22:12:13 <summatusmentis> I don't have time to find it now though
Jun 21 22:12:24 <singmajesty> There's the Villo thing
Jun 21 22:12:31 <Popple3> that's the one
Jun 21 22:12:32 <singmajesty> and the guy who made the Checkers game had something as well
Jun 21 22:12:45 <singmajesty> http://webosworld.com/villo-services/
Jun 21 22:13:15 <summatusmentis> oh, webosworld
Jun 21 22:13:17 <summatusmentis> I lies
Jun 21 22:13:18 <summatusmentis> lied*
Jun 21 22:13:58 <singmajesty> Looks like Keen Studios is taking a break http://keen-studios.net/
Jun 21 22:14:10 <singmajesty> Unless maybe its the same guy?
Jun 21 22:14:16 <halfhalo> it is
Jun 21 22:14:25 <summatusmentis> I was looking for something by keen-studios a while ago
Jun 21 22:14:36 <summatusmentis> umm... can't remember what it was, maybe a google voice app
Jun 21 22:19:14 <twbbas> Villo was developed by the Checkers guy
Jun 21 22:21:34 <Tibfib> kesne
Jun 21 22:23:44 <LoneStar99> does mojo support "setTimeout(tc,5000);"
Jun 21 22:23:49 <Tibfib> yeah,
Jun 21 22:23:52 <Tibfib> that's just javascript
Jun 21 22:24:00 <LoneStar99> k thanks
Jun 21 22:24:14 <LoneStar99> maybe i am doing something wrong then
Jun 21 22:24:23 <Tibfib> tc is a function
Jun 21 22:25:14 <singmajesty> Yeah, that's the name
Jun 21 22:26:17 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: it has to be a function?
Jun 21 22:26:21 <Tibfib> yes
Jun 21 22:26:29 <Tibfib> what are you trying to pass?
Jun 21 22:26:37 <LoneStar99> var tc = Mojo.Controller.stageController.activeScene().get('candy').mojo.reloadPage(link);
Jun 21 22:26:39 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 21 22:26:50 <Tibfib> var tc  = function () { ... .}
Jun 21 22:27:15 <LoneStar99> let me try that again, had some error popping up
Jun 21 22:31:59 <sugardave> var timerId = setTimeout(function() {//code you want to run}.bind(this), 5000);
Jun 21 22:33:54 <LoneStar99> sugardave let me try that
Jun 21 22:34:04 <sugardave> guaranteed
Jun 21 22:34:06 <LoneStar99> thansks
Jun 21 22:38:13 <singmajesty> Ah, good old bind
Jun 21 22:38:23 <singmajesty> It's like the ring of power
Jun 21 22:38:28 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: look my pm! :)
Jun 21 22:42:39 <sugardave> NuttyBunny: I'm getting there
Jun 21 22:44:17 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: Thanks, I just finished that version about a couple of hours ago, some feedback would be great :D
Jun 21 22:44:45 <oilsworkn> ohh, testing?
Jun 21 22:45:12 <sugardave> NuttyBunny wants me to be a testee, and I'm trying to figure out how I feel about that
Jun 21 22:45:42 <oilsworkn> its like those "smoke pot get paid" ads
Jun 21 22:45:51 <sugardave> haha
Jun 21 22:46:18 <sugardave> that would have been an awesome job for me when I was in college
Jun 21 22:47:07 <oilsworkn> where is admiral ackbar when you need him?
Jun 21 22:49:55 <NuttyBunny> it's either that or send me your touchpad for me to test in-house ;)
Jun 21 22:50:18 <oilsworkn> do that one sugardave!
Jun 21 22:51:34 <Loudergood> knowing NuttyBunny it'd come back with 1.4.5 on it just because he could...
Jun 21 22:51:57 <oilsworkn> eww
Jun 21 22:52:00 <LoneStar99> sugardave: if i place it in activate it should refresh every 5 seconds right?
Jun 21 22:52:14 <sugardave> no
Jun 21 22:52:21 <sugardave> it will wait 5 seconds and fire once
Jun 21 22:52:29 <sugardave> you want setInterval for every 5 seconds
Jun 21 22:52:40 <tyranir> is there a property on scrollers to make it inactive/not respond to touch events?
Jun 21 22:52:51 <LoneStar99> oh what if I want it keep firing like with unlimited ammo?
Jun 21 22:53:01 <sugardave> and then whe you deactivate, you want to clearTimeout or clearInterval that timer ID
Jun 21 22:53:04 <sugardave> setInterval
Jun 21 22:53:13 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: Nice one ;)
Jun 21 22:53:21 <oilsworkn> tyranir: there is a css property for ignoring tap events
Jun 21 22:53:41 <sugardave> and clearInterval(timerId) when you deactivate the scene, or else the next activation will start a whole new one independent from the first and you will chew through RAM
Jun 21 22:53:54 <tyranir> olsworksn: got a link or can you go into more detail?
Jun 21 22:54:10 <sugardave> -webkit-palm-mouse-target: ignore
Jun 21 22:54:21 <oilsworkn> thats it
Jun 21 22:54:23 <NuttyBunny> or  pointer-events:none;
Jun 21 22:54:29 <LoneStar99> oh yeah  got confused with them
Jun 21 22:54:30 <oilsworkn> depending on mojo or redacted?
Jun 21 22:54:34 <tyranir> redacted
Jun 21 22:54:43 <NuttyBunny> use mine then ;)
Jun 21 22:54:44 <oilsworkn> then the latter
Jun 21 22:54:48 <tyranir> k
Jun 21 22:54:52 <tyranir> i'll give it a whirl :)
Jun 21 22:54:53 <tyranir> thx
Jun 21 22:54:54 <sugardave> hmm, haven't tried the former in Enyo yet
Jun 21 22:55:04 <NuttyBunny> it doesn't work :)
Jun 21 22:55:07 <oilsworkn> hm
Jun 21 22:55:12 <oilsworkn> you would think thats a webkit thing
Jun 21 22:55:16 <sugardave> alright, good to know
Jun 21 22:55:17 <oilsworkn> not a js library thing
Jun 21 22:55:25 <oilsworkn> well, thats what i thought anyways
Jun 21 22:55:26 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 21 22:55:29 <sugardave> inorite
Jun 21 22:55:45 <NuttyBunny> I used both, just to be on the safe side, works on the browser and the emu
Jun 21 22:55:51 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 21 22:55:58 <NuttyBunny> (and I hope on the device as well)
Jun 21 22:56:24 * oilsworkn will test stuff, brandonvb@gmail
Jun 21 22:57:03 <sugardave> s/test/steal/
Jun 21 22:57:18 <oilsworkn> psh
Jun 21 22:57:24 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 21 22:57:31 <oilsworkn> submitting an ipk from someone else to teh catalog
Jun 21 22:57:38 <NuttyBunny> argh, and I just sent you the email
Jun 21 22:57:42 <NuttyBunny> undooooo! undooooooo!!
Jun 21 22:57:43 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 21 22:57:44 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
Jun 21 22:57:46 <oilsworkn> haha
Jun 21 22:57:58 <LoneStar99> sugardave thanks
Jun 21 22:58:07 <sugardave> LoneStar99: np
Jun 21 22:58:27 <oilsworkn> in the submission form its all like the TSA "did you pack this ipk yourself? do you know what is in your ipk?"
Jun 21 22:58:44 <oilsworkn> "are tyhere any liquids in your ipk?>"
Jun 21 22:59:11 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Jun 21 22:59:21 <NuttyBunny> did you leave your ipk unattended at any moment?
Jun 21 22:59:34 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 21 22:59:49 <oilsworkn> NuttyBunny: ill give it a test when i get home in an hour or so
Jun 21 23:00:33 <NuttyBunny> ok.. I feel like PatrickC/Chester ;)  jumping around asking everyone.. hehehe
Jun 21 23:00:51 <oilsworkn> is that what the C stands for?
Jun 21 23:00:51 <NuttyBunny> Chester as in Spike/Chester, looney tunes
Jun 21 23:00:56 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Jun 21 23:00:58 <oilsworkn>  haha
Jun 21 23:01:05 <NuttyBunny> nah, it's his lastname
Jun 21 23:01:20 <oilsworkn> yeah, i figured
Jun 21 23:01:45 <sugardave> I think I just fried my TouchPad :/
Jun 21 23:01:57 <Flashpass> aww
Jun 21 23:02:20 * oilsworkn has second thoughts about installing nuttys ipk now
Jun 21 23:03:00 <sugardave> it was before I installed it
Jun 21 23:03:10 <sugardave> browser would come up when clicking links, so I rebooted it
Jun 21 23:03:17 <sugardave> now it has a scary screen
Jun 21 23:03:27 <sugardave> s/would/would not/
Jun 21 23:04:56 <NuttyBunny> phew.. hehehe
Jun 21 23:05:03 <NuttyBunny> I had to read twice ;)
Jun 21 23:05:24 <sugardave> okay, I think I got it booting now
Jun 21 23:05:31 <sugardave> whew
Jun 21 23:05:32 <Flashpass> what are you workin on nutty?
Jun 21 23:08:19 <LoneStar99> sugardave: setInterval works perfectly but expected different results, back to drawing board
Jun 21 23:10:57 <NuttyBunny> Flashpass: a photofun like app, but everything rendered by the browser, instant results!
Jun 21 23:11:50 <Flashpass> NuttyBunny: ah similar to PhotoFunia?
Jun 21 23:13:12 * dwc- kicks novacomd for hanging
Jun 21 23:13:42 <Flashpass> NuttyBunny: it does take quite a bit of time to load images on that app sometimes, but I thought it was still being sent to the server for manipulation and returning with the result - wouldn't a web based app do the same?
Jun 21 23:13:44 <dwc-> stupid zombie
Jun 21 23:16:07 <sugardave> Flashpass: his app is doing it all locally
Jun 21 23:16:55 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: get a touchpad?
Jun 21 23:17:51 <PatrickC> sugardave: fixed?
Jun 21 23:17:58 <sugardave> yep
Jun 21 23:18:17 <PatrickC> good :)
Jun 21 23:18:45 <PatrickC> I'm hoping after I dog-sit for the neighbors this next week and mow their yard, I'll have close to $500
Jun 21 23:19:02 <NuttyBunny> Flashpass: Yep, locally, I hate sending things over the net for processing :)
Jun 21 23:19:02 <sugardave> that's a 16GB TouchPad right there
Jun 21 23:19:10 <haeffb> curse you , [redacted]!
Jun 21 23:19:20 <sugardave> come on, haeffb
Jun 21 23:19:44 <haeffb> Uncaught ReferenceError: pondNotes is not defined
Jun 21 23:19:51 <haeffb> BS, I just defined it!
Jun 21 23:20:08 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 23:20:35 <PatrickC> time to work on (secret app only a few people know about)
Jun 21 23:29:54 <haeffb> er. sorry, [redacted]. my bad.
Jun 21 23:38:20 <Flashpass> NuttyBunny: ah awesome! I'll be sure to try it :)
Jun 21 23:49:56 <PatrickC> hey IGNTNUNLMTD!
Jun 21 23:50:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TouchPad ordered. With all accessories. Longest 1.5 weeks of my life ahead
Jun 21 23:50:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> PatrickC: Greetings!
Jun 21 23:50:28 <PatrickC> how's it going?
Jun 21 23:50:40 <PatrickC> when does my touchpad arrive? thanks for it btw :)
Jun 21 23:50:58 <Flashpass> yeah its been quite a wait so far for this touchpad hehe
Jun 21 23:51:45 <dwc-> what's another week and a half?
Jun 21 23:51:59 <halfhalo> the difference between life and death
Jun 21 23:52:05 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 21 23:52:08 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 21 23:52:14 <PatrickC> halfhalo: you ordered a 32GB?
Jun 21 23:54:17 <oil> IGNTNUNLMTD: touchstone stand and keyboard?
Jun 21 23:54:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oil: yep, and the case
Jun 21 23:54:50 <oil> nice
Jun 21 23:55:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if it gets to me before the 4th of July, I'll be ecstatic
Jun 21 23:55:53 <Flashpass> where did you preorder from?
Jun 21 23:56:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HP Small Business
Jun 21 23:56:12 <singmajesty> Where did you order it?
Jun 21 23:56:17 <sugardave> how much for the stand and keyboard?
Jun 21 23:56:19 <singmajesty> Ah. I should order the accessories
Jun 21 23:56:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> over the phone
Jun 21 23:56:24 <halfhalo> PatrickC: no?
Jun 21 23:56:44 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I thought you were getting the 32GB one..
Jun 21 23:56:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> grand total was $745 post- Assachusetts tax
Jun 21 23:57:02 <halfhalo> PatrickC: No? I'm waiting for the threegees
Jun 21 23:57:07 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 21 23:58:17 <palmdoc> hello everyone
Jun 21 23:58:29 <Flashpass> heya
Jun 22 00:00:23 <PatrickC> hey palmdoc
Jun 22 00:00:53 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: you the same person just RTd by webosinternals?
Jun 22 00:01:07 <summatusmentis> if so, congrats :)
Jun 22 00:01:10 <PatrickC> umm.. let me check..
Jun 22 00:01:27 <summatusmentis> wow, sorry, tab-fail
Jun 22 00:01:32 <summatusmentis> I meant palmdoc
Jun 22 00:01:39 <summatusmentis> sorry PatrickC, not to get you excited
Jun 22 00:01:53 <PatrickC> ah. no worries :)
Jun 22 00:02:13 <palmdoc> finally reinstalled wirc
Jun 22 00:03:05 <summatusmentis> these preview images of TP apps look nice
Jun 22 00:03:28 <Flashpass> summatusmentis: which?
Jun 22 00:03:34 <PatrickC> summatumentis: enyo looks nice :)
Jun 22 00:04:14 <PatrickC> sugardave: get enyo out of nda.. :)
Jun 22 00:04:20 <palmdoc> @summatusmentis yeah
Jun 22 00:04:54 <sugardave> Enyo will come out of NDA
Jun 22 00:05:04 <summatusmentis> Flashpass: mostly from the WOSI people, Tweaks, etc.
Jun 22 00:05:09 <summatusmentis> but Spaz HD
Jun 22 00:05:11 <PatrickC> lets just hope it isn't like 2.x :/
Jun 22 00:05:21 <summatusmentis> they're nice looking
Jun 22 00:06:23 <Flashpass> yeah from what I've seen, they mostly look pretty nice - probably because enyo just looks good haha
Jun 22 00:06:25 <palmdoc> I think tapping on the header to go back shd be the defacto standard for mojo apps for Touchpad compatibility
Jun 22 00:07:11 <palmdoc> no need to code a special button unless the scene has no header
Jun 22 00:07:13 <singmajesty> The webOS 3.0 SDK is in release candidate right now
Jun 22 00:07:20 <singmajesty> Enyo will come along with that
Jun 22 00:07:25 <PatrickC> http://www.tsa.gov/graphics/images/home/MyTSA_sm.jpg
Jun 22 00:07:38 <singmajesty> I hope to see the SDK release come publicly around the same time the TouchPad is available
Jun 22 00:07:43 <singmajesty> So a week or so?
Jun 22 00:07:44 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 22 00:07:48 <PatrickC> that would be ideal
Jun 22 00:07:57 <singmajesty> It won't be the same as the 2.1 SDK
Jun 22 00:09:42 <PatrickC> Want 15% ($90) off the touchpad? Call HP Direct (800-979-MYHP) and use coupon ACH83159 !!
Jun 22 00:10:22 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping dev pricing is better :)
Jun 22 00:11:10 <PatrickC> yeah same here :)
Jun 22 00:11:49 <Popple3> ditto. Can't afford it otherwise :(
Jun 22 00:11:52 <PatrickC> 2 apps down (1 is UI only)
Jun 22 00:14:44 <Flashpass> PatrickC: nice! which apps?
Jun 22 00:15:11 <PatrickC> Flashpass: 1 is a touchpad port, and the other I am keeping a secret for now :)
Jun 22 00:15:17 <PatrickC> unless you want to help beta it..
Jun 22 00:15:45 <Flashpass> if I had a TP I would haha
Jun 22 00:16:30 <Epyon22> so i want to start developing for webos on linux where should i start?
Jun 22 00:16:43 <PatrickC> http://developer.palm.com
Jun 22 00:17:02 <Epyon22> haah
Jun 22 00:17:18 <Popple3> Epyon22: You might as well get into the Early Access Program and start with Enyo
Jun 22 00:17:44 <Popple3> Mojo's still around, but Enyo is the future
Jun 22 00:17:56 <Epyon22> Popple3: where is that. Is that on the palm website?
Jun 22 00:18:13 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 22 00:18:16 <Popple3> Epyon22: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/webos_3_0_developer_beta.html
Jun 22 00:18:37 <Popple3> Epyon22: Unless of course you want to dev in C/C++, then you want to look at the PDK
Jun 22 00:19:12 <summatusmentis> didn't someone giving a developer talk basically say "don't start on mojo now"?
Jun 22 00:19:25 <Popple3> summatusmentis: Yeah, but that didn't stop me :P
Jun 22 00:19:32 <summatusmentis> heh
Jun 22 00:19:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 00:19:56 <Epyon22> so enyo is in java script like mojo was before the pdk?
Jun 22 00:20:26 <summatusmentis> enyo and mojo are both "web development"
Jun 22 00:20:35 <summatusmentis> the pdk is "real programming"
Jun 22 00:20:41 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 22 00:20:44 <singmajesty> You can also do Javascript without Mojo or Enyo
Jun 22 00:20:44 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 22 00:20:51 <singmajesty> You can also do haXe, which is like Actionscript
Jun 22 00:20:52 <summatusmentis> that wasn't intedned to be pointed, but you know what I mean
Jun 22 00:20:59 <singmajesty> I hear you can do Python
Jun 22 00:21:08 <Epyon22> i know c/c++ pretty well
Jun 22 00:21:15 <summatusmentis> I've never heard of anyone doing Python
Jun 22 00:21:21 <Epyon22> but i wanted to learn how to work webos apps
Jun 22 00:21:24 <singmajesty> It's on the C/C++ developer forums
Jun 22 00:21:32 <singmajesty> http://www.joshuagranick.com/code/pdk
Jun 22 00:21:46 <singmajesty> There's two simple samples that compile for the desktop and for the device in C++
Jun 22 00:21:57 <summatusmentis> is there a gui toolkit for pdk, the way mojo/enyo does?
Jun 22 00:22:10 <singmajesty> You just need to have Sourcery G++ Lite installed (Windows or Linux) and the SDK (Windows, Linux or Mac)
Jun 22 00:22:33 <Popple3> summatusmentis: You can use Enyo/Mojo front end that calls C services
Jun 22 00:22:39 <Popple3> or something like that
Jun 22 00:22:39 <singmajesty> The Linux SDK doesn't include the C++ headers and libraries, but there's ways to get them if that's your platform
Jun 22 00:22:50 <singmajesty> (will be in the official SDK in the near future)
Jun 22 00:23:06 <singmajesty> If you want an easy to use GUI framework, haXe might be a good way to go
Jun 22 00:23:13 <singmajesty> Very easy to load bitmaps and create interfaces
Jun 22 00:23:23 <singmajesty> The widget set for the OS, though, is in Enyo or Mojo
Jun 22 00:23:32 <singmajesty> Or straight Javascript if you use some of the core CSS classes
Jun 22 00:23:52 <singmajesty> Or C/C++ or haXe if you rasterize screenshots of the web stuff ;)
Jun 22 00:23:54 <summatusmentis> Popple3: yes, that's true
Jun 22 00:24:05 <singmajesty> Oh, yeah, forgot about that
Jun 22 00:24:09 <singmajesty> Hybrid support in Enyo
Jun 22 00:30:37 <Epyon22> sent the email for the webos 3 sdk :-D.
Jun 22 00:31:25 <PatrickC> yay! :)
Jun 22 00:31:39 <PatrickC> AdoraDoesntSuk
Jun 22 00:32:15 <NuttyBunny> Adora! hey!
Jun 22 00:32:28 <Epyon22> lol im gonna be stepping over 2.0 cause i still have 1.4.5 on my pre minux
Jun 22 00:32:35 <NuttyBunny> Happy Birthday Adora!
Jun 22 00:32:52 <NuttyBunny> Epyon22: Afraid of 2.1? :)
Jun 22 00:33:03 <halfhalo> yup, happy birthday AdoraSux! (psh, crappy irc name)
Jun 22 00:33:41 <halfhalo> better
Jun 22 00:33:43 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Jun 22 00:33:46 <AdoraSuxOilRoolz> =]
Jun 22 00:34:18 <Epyon22> NuttyBunny: just didnt want to lose the prl update for sprint. ive used it a couple times already to improve my signal
Jun 22 00:35:18 <PatrickC> Adora: lol
Jun 22 00:35:31 <PatrickC> just push wIRC through and make this a good birthday :)
Jun 22 00:35:38 <PatrickC> and happy birthday :)
Jun 22 00:35:44 <NuttyBunny> Epyon22: Ah, yes
Jun 22 00:36:04 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Keep doing that and Adora will push wIRC till TOMORROW :P
Jun 22 00:36:24 <PatrickC> Epyson22: I haven't updated my PRL in like months lol
Jun 22 00:36:32 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: she wouldn't be that mean lol
Jun 22 00:36:37 <PatrickC> or would she?
Jun 22 00:37:48 <NuttyBunny> IF you tell her to push wIRC on her birthday, she might as well do it... tomorrow ;)
Jun 22 00:39:39 <Epyon22> well my sis is getting a neuxs s july 1st and i get her old pre. im gonna put 2.0 on it definatly
Jun 22 00:42:57 <NuttyBunny> Epyon22: Nice!  You'll need to overclock it a little and play with the memory settings, but it works just nice
Jun 22 00:43:16 * NuttyBunny mumbles.. unlike the Pixi...
Jun 22 01:14:05 <Epyon22_> does the sdk vm get normal updates?
Jun 22 01:14:31 <summatusmentis> what do you mean?
Jun 22 01:15:23 <Epyon22_> i just installed it and booted it up and the software manager has a yellow arrow down like it needs a update. but the update manager doesnt seem to load
Jun 22 01:16:08 <summatusmentis> oh, no, I don't think the emulator gets updates like a device would
Jun 22 01:17:21 <Epyon22_> ah ok
Jun 22 01:19:56 <singmajesty> Yeah, the emulator gets updated when there is a new SDK release
Jun 22 01:20:08 <singmajesty> but it doesn't do any "over the air" style updates
Jun 22 01:20:30 <singmajesty> Which is good ... as it is, you could have emulator images for multiple versions of webOS
Jun 22 01:20:42 <singmajesty> If they all updated themselves, you'd end up with three copies of the same version :)
Jun 22 01:20:53 <sugardave> bogus
Jun 22 01:21:04 <Epyon22_> yeah i figured. i was just wondering if i could explore the app store.
Jun 22 01:21:13 <sugardave> not from the emulator
Jun 22 01:21:31 <singmajesty> Yeah, only from a device
Jun 22 01:22:28 <Epyon22_> oh man this emulated version makes me want to update my pre...maybe ill do it lol
Jun 22 01:25:38 <Jake_M> what version?
Jun 22 01:26:06 <Epyon22_> its just 2.1 but im still running 1.4.5 on my phone
Jun 22 01:28:18 * sugardave rocks 1.4.5 on his Pre -.
Jun 22 01:28:32 <Jake_M> i couldn't imagine still running 1.4.5
Jun 22 01:28:42 <Flashpass> sugardave: mind if I pm you with a touchpad app submission question?
Jun 22 01:29:00 <sugardave> Flashpass: only if you don't mind if I don't answer it
Jun 22 01:29:11 <sugardave> just kidding :D
Jun 22 01:29:15 <Flashpass> lol
Jun 22 01:47:44 <twbbas> Tibfib: Haha I saw your tweet
Jun 22 01:49:33 <uncola> I saw your tweet too.  next time make sure your fly is zipped
Jun 22 01:49:57 <twbbas> Haha, nice one
Jun 22 02:04:40 <Jake_M> i've gotten like 7 emails from HP saying "reserve today!"
Jun 22 02:04:41 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 22 02:05:59 <twbbas> Same
Jun 22 02:06:07 <twbbas> I signed up on so many lists
Jun 22 02:06:18 <twbbas> I even got a call from someone at HP
Jun 22 02:06:19 <summatusmentis> I only got one :)
Jun 22 02:06:35 <summatusmentis> sooo... who wants to buy me a TP? :D
Jun 22 02:06:48 <twbbas> I charge $800 to buy you a TP
Jun 22 02:07:00 <Jake_M> you know
Jun 22 02:07:09 <Jake_M> you could make an app that pays for itself
Jun 22 02:07:12 <Jake_M> and buys you a touchpad
Jun 22 02:07:22 <summatusmentis> I'm not convinced I could
Jun 22 02:07:25 <Jake_M> assuming you're amazing and make it sell like...thousands of times or hundreds depending on price
Jun 22 02:08:08 <summatusmentis> the app I'm working on I'll probably open source, so I'd feel weird selling it?
Jun 22 02:08:11 <summatusmentis> maybe that's stupid
Jun 22 02:08:22 <Jake_M> open source is open source so i mean
Jun 22 02:08:30 <Jake_M> maybe work on your own app
Jun 22 02:08:34 <Jake_M> like somehting else
Jun 22 02:08:40 <twbbas> darkproteous66 on Twitter is making an open source app that he may charge for
Jun 22 02:08:41 <Jake_M> a game or something
Jun 22 02:08:44 <PatrickC> I know many apps that are open source that are charged for in the catalog..
Jun 22 02:08:50 <PatrickC> Koto and Universe are 2
Jun 22 02:08:51 <twbbas> He spoke with webOS Internals about it and they said it wouldn't be awkward
Jun 22 02:09:05 <Jake_M> yeah koto is a good example
Jun 22 02:09:16 <twbbas> You could make a free version and then a paid version with like themes and such so people can support you
Jun 22 02:09:23 <twbbas> Like Spaz
Jun 22 02:09:48 <PatrickC> who spoke with webos internals
Jun 22 02:09:51 <Jake_M> or just make something simple using an API on like photobucket or something
Jun 22 02:09:52 <summatusmentis> I feel like themes are not something that anyone should care about for this app, but there are a lot of things that I don't understand why people care about them :)
Jun 22 02:10:03 <twbbas> PatrickC: I'll look up the tweets
Jun 22 02:10:18 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: that's sorta my theory
Jun 22 02:10:55 <summatusmentis> there's this _____ api that I really want to see a client for, mostly because I use there service elsewhere
Jun 22 02:11:11 <Jake_M> right and yeah
Jun 22 02:11:14 <Jake_M> basically
Jun 22 02:11:17 <twbbas> PatrickC: https://twitter.com/#!/darkproteus66/status/82138818660151296
Jun 22 02:11:24 <summatusmentis> and it seems easy enough to take it a step further and implement a bunch of different similar APIs
Jun 22 02:11:26 <twbbas> PatrickC: I mean: https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/82201429841936384
Jun 22 02:11:38 <Jake_M> i mean obviously twitter is out of the question
Jun 22 02:11:43 <summatusmentis> yeah, not twitter
Jun 22 02:11:46 <Jake_M> but a photobucket viewer would be awesome.
Jun 22 02:12:06 <summatusmentis> at times I've thought about a flickr gallery
Jun 22 02:12:21 <PatrickC> twabbs: ah
Jun 22 02:12:40 <summatusmentis> there've been a lot of apps I've idly thought about
Jun 22 02:12:46 <summatusmentis> time is hard to come by
Jun 22 02:13:23 <rwatkins_> there are entire businesses built on charging for open source software
Jun 22 02:13:46 <summatusmentis> don't they usually charge for support?
Jun 22 02:14:13 <summatusmentis> my concept app is completely un-done in the app catalog
Jun 22 02:14:16 <rwatkins> sort of but not really
Jun 22 02:14:16 <summatusmentis> part of why I'm doing it
Jun 22 02:14:29 <rwatkins> redhat charges for support for example
Jun 22 02:14:41 <PatrickC> summatumentis: what's the app do? ;)
Jun 22 02:14:44 <rwatkins> but you can also pay people to build the custom features you want in open source software.
Jun 22 02:15:03 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: hey now, back off :)
Jun 22 02:15:09 <PatrickC> hehehe
Jun 22 02:15:16 <PatrickC> madnificent!!
Jun 22 02:15:17 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: summatusmentis.com/wreferences
Jun 22 02:15:24 <rwatkins> or you can also pay them to make the packaging and delivery convenient. put it what you can FTP on a CD or usb stick.
Jun 22 02:16:00 <rwatkins> or just pay for doing the leg work to package it for the app catalog rather than make you build it and install it.
Jun 22 02:16:08 <sugardave> rwatkins: I think you're onto something with this image thing
Jun 22 02:16:19 <sugardave> I didn't realize that's how GA works...web n00b STILL
Jun 22 02:16:23 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: 404 Not Found
Jun 22 02:16:32 <summatusmentis> wait rly?
Jun 22 02:16:33 <summatusmentis> hrm
Jun 22 02:16:52 <summatusmentis> oh http://summatusmentis.com/wreference/
Jun 22 02:16:55 <summatusmentis> no s
Jun 22 02:17:40 <summatusmentis> it's a poorly designed website
Jun 22 02:17:42 <rwatkins> sugardave: cool, hope that helps in the right path.
Jun 22 02:17:55 <PatrickC> refpapers?
Jun 22 02:18:03 <summatusmentis> old working name
Jun 22 02:18:07 <sugardave> yeah, just starting a new round of troubleshooting
Jun 22 02:18:07 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 22 02:18:17 <Jake_M> anyway point being you could make an app that pays for your touchpad by itself
Jun 22 02:18:22 <PatrickC> sugardave: troubleshooting what?
Jun 22 02:18:27 <summatusmentis> I should fix that image
Jun 22 02:18:39 <PatrickC> Jake_M: those apps are not easily made.. imo
Jun 22 02:18:42 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: point taken, I'm hoping I can convince myself I can justify it as a grad gift
Jun 22 02:18:48 <rwatkins> also added setting custom vars to my latest version, but I dont think its working, so you can take comfort in mine now doenst fully work either.
Jun 22 02:19:23 * PatrickC can't move fwd on his money-making app till he gets licenses..
Jun 22 02:20:06 <Epyon22> PatrickC: what kinda licenses you have to get?
Jun 22 02:20:12 <sugardave> rwatkins: yay? :)
Jun 22 02:20:18 <PatrickC> from Shoutcast and Icecast
Jun 22 02:20:46 <Epyon22> hopefully it doesnt take a long time
Jun 22 02:21:24 <PatrickC> yeah...
Jun 22 02:21:57 <Jake_M> well you could write a book
Jun 22 02:21:57 <Jake_M> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/self-published-kindle-author-breaks-one-million-in-sales-legs-m/
Jun 22 02:21:59 <PatrickC> I was hoping DocLee was on.. I was gonna ask him how long it took to get his...
Jun 22 02:22:54 <PatrickC> or.. I could get Jake_M to buy me one :)
Jun 22 02:22:58 <Jake_M> HA
Jun 22 02:23:05 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 22 02:23:06 <Jake_M> i considered it as a grad gift
Jun 22 02:23:12 <Jake_M> but i don't *need* one
Jun 22 02:23:18 * PatrickC is 10th grade....
Jun 22 02:23:27 <Jake_M> the palm pre didn't even exist when i was in 10th grade
Jun 22 02:23:33 <twbbas> Write a book and put an "eye catching" image on the cover. Make millions.
Jun 22 02:23:35 <Epyon22> haha same
Jun 22 02:23:37 <PatrickC> no grad gifts yet..
Jun 22 02:23:39 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: yeah, I'm trying to figure out if I can consider the TP a grad gift
Jun 22 02:24:04 <Jake_M> i thought like yeah i could use it my freshman year of college as a productivity thing
Jun 22 02:24:11 <Jake_M> but the damned touchpad doesn't even have document editing
Jun 22 02:24:12 <Jake_M> :|
Jun 22 02:24:28 <twbbas> docs.google.com ;)
Jun 22 02:24:34 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 02:24:35 <rwatkins> FTW!
Jun 22 02:24:52 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 22 02:24:57 <PatrickC> twbbas: got your email
Jun 22 02:25:01 <Epyon22> web hacks
Jun 22 02:25:01 <twbbas> :D
Jun 22 02:25:07 <sugardave> PatrickC: I'm troubleshooting Google Analytics in a test app
Jun 22 02:25:15 <PatrickC> 1 says wait, you say idc
Jun 22 02:25:19 <Jake_M> anyway, plus the fact that i have a pre- doesn't appeal because although its still a great tablet, i want the ability to like have phone to tablet stuff
Jun 22 02:25:23 <PatrickC> sugardave: fun....
Jun 22 02:25:32 <Epyon22> evernote
Jun 22 02:25:43 <PatrickC> Jake_M: Pre³ ;)
Jun 22 02:25:54 <PatrickC> autocorrect ftw
Jun 22 02:26:10 <Jake_M> what
Jun 22 02:26:12 <twbbas> PatrickC: I was leaning towards waiting
Jun 22 02:26:22 <PatrickC> ok, 2 for waiting
Jun 22 02:26:32 <PatrickC> Jake_M: get a Pre³ at launch
Jun 22 02:26:33 <cwayne> lololol
Jun 22 02:26:48 <PatrickC> cwayne! hey man
Jun 22 02:27:02 <cwayne> PatrickC: yoo
Jun 22 02:27:13 <Jake_M> i don't know what i'm going to do. i definitely cannot use this Pre- much longer. i'm burning the fuse on this sucker out. HP needs to say "hey the Pre3 is or isn't coming" i can't wait in limbo forever. I was considering getting a Nexus S but the more i think about it, the more i realize i seriously do hate Android....so I might do the FrankenPre2 thing
Jun 22 02:27:18 <twbbas> I find it funny that the Pre 3 is being branded with a superscript 3 lol. Trying to differentiate themselves from the Pre and Pre 2 I guess
Jun 22 02:27:59 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: it's definitely coming, I just wish they'd give a date
Jun 22 02:28:10 <Epyon22> Jake_M: im in the same boat. my gf just got the nexus its a great phone but i just want to stay with webos
Jun 22 02:28:13 <summatusmentis> if pre3 isn't on sprint, I'll probably also do FrankePre2
Jun 22 02:28:26 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: same here
Jun 22 02:28:31 <Jake_M> sorry i meant coming to sprint
Jun 22 02:28:51 <PatrickC> ok.. we are active atm :)
Jun 22 02:29:03 <dkirker> It beats my situation...
Jun 22 02:29:03 <PatrickC> anyone wanting to beta test a new app PM me
Jun 22 02:29:06 <PatrickC> for more info
Jun 22 02:29:17 <dkirker> I am leaving Verizon because of GPS
Jun 22 02:29:19 <twbbas> If Pre 3 isn't on Sprint, I'll be sad because I don't have the option of doing franken Pre 2
Jun 22 02:29:25 <dkirker> and probably going to T-Mobile
Jun 22 02:29:31 <Jake_M> twbbas why not?
Jun 22 02:30:04 <summatusmentis> dkirker: I'm also contemplating unlocked gsm pre3 on t-mob or at&t
Jun 22 02:30:09 <Epyon22> wonder how hard it will be to unlock a verizon pre3
Jun 22 02:30:11 * PatrickC has 2 pre2's sitting around....
Jun 22 02:30:12 <summatusmentis> t-mob is gonna get eaten by at&t though
Jun 22 02:30:48 <dkirker> summatusmentis: It hasn't been finalized. I'm not holding my breath. It might happen, it might not. I may also go with AT&T. Not 100% sure yet...
Jun 22 02:30:54 <Epyon22> summatusmentis: i doubt that by now sprint is lobbying hard against it
Jun 22 02:31:34 <haeffb> summatusmentis: all my apps are open source, and I charge for them in the catalog
Jun 22 02:31:42 <Tibfib> what an idiot
Jun 22 02:31:46 <Tibfib> oh wait, I do that too
Jun 22 02:31:54 <dkirker> me too!
Jun 22 02:32:02 <summatusmentis> are they pretty successful?
Jun 22 02:32:11 <twbbas> Jake_M: We have a Pre 2 that we got from HP but I'm not going to use the only Pre 2 we have for my personal phone. I'm also not going to pay for a Pre 2 off contract so...
Jun 22 02:32:19 <Tibfib> as successful as any other webOS app
Jun 22 02:32:27 <haeffb> depends on how you define successful.
Jun 22 02:32:38 <haeffb> Noted!, Done!, Myles
Jun 22 02:33:05 <haeffb> all told have sold a couple thousand... ?
Jun 22 02:33:09 <haeffb> maybe
Jun 22 02:33:29 <Epyon22> haeffb: not bad what are you chargin $.99?
Jun 22 02:33:44 <Epyon22> do you also have your apps on preware?
Jun 22 02:33:45 <summatusmentis> well, sure, "successful"
Jun 22 02:33:48 <haeffb> 1.23, 2.23, 3.23
Jun 22 02:34:01 <haeffb> Epyon22: yes, the beta versions are on preware
Jun 22 02:34:04 <haeffb> for free
Jun 22 02:34:07 <Loudergood> I have a tendency to install the open source version and buy it if I like it
Jun 22 02:34:08 <haeffb> obviously
Jun 22 02:34:19 <Loudergood> then keep the preware version installed
Jun 22 02:34:38 <summatusmentis> haeffb: oh, I sorta forgot about beta versions
Jun 22 02:34:42 <summatusmentis> that's a good point
Jun 22 02:34:53 <haeffb> and I always release a beta version that is the same as the app cat version
Jun 22 02:35:14 <haeffb> so, if you want free, don't get the new betas that might break stuff, wait until the next app cat/beta is available
Jun 22 02:35:15 <Epyon22> do you leave it on preware?
Jun 22 02:35:24 <Epyon22> when the paid is one the cat?
Jun 22 02:35:27 <haeffb> yep
Jun 22 02:36:02 <summatusmentis> I like that concept
Jun 22 02:36:02 <haeffb> most people are like Loudergood - if they like it, and want to support development, they'll pay for it.
Jun 22 02:36:08 <Tibfib> haeffb: do you accidentally maliciously break stuff?
Jun 22 02:36:13 <Loudergood> that's also a really good way to discourage piracy ;)
Jun 22 02:36:30 <haeffb> Tibfib: accidentally, yes, maliciously, no
Jun 22 02:36:40 <Tibfib> :/
Jun 22 02:36:57 <Epyon22> i would pay for apps if i had a job right now :( i just use the free stuff. but havent ecountered much stuff i had to pay for yet
Jun 22 02:37:22 <summatusmentis> I bought 2 apps so far, carbon, and angry birds
Jun 22 02:37:26 <Tibfib> I kicked a guy out of my koto beta because I saw his name on warez sites asking for apps
Jun 22 02:37:30 <summatusmentis> can't afford to buy a lot of apps
Jun 22 02:37:39 <Tibfib> I've bought like 20+
Jun 22 02:37:55 <Tibfib> maybe more
Jun 22 02:37:59 <Tibfib> lets do an email search
Jun 22 02:38:08 <Tibfib> oh, but they sometimes have multiple apps listed
Jun 22 02:38:14 <summatusmentis> oh wait, I maybe bought neato! too
Jun 22 02:38:54 <haeffb> I've bought dozens
Jun 22 02:39:11 <Tibfib> well I have 57ish emails
Jun 22 02:39:28 <haeffb> oh, from Palm?
Jun 22 02:39:32 <Tibfib> for app receipts
Jun 22 02:39:44 <Tibfib> - 7 random stuff that came up in the search query
Jun 22 02:39:52 <Tibfib> so atleast 50 apps purchasecd
Jun 22 02:40:18 <PatrickC> Tibfib: wow..
Jun 22 02:40:30 <PatrickC> I've purchased 1 app, and gotten a few with promos
Jun 22 02:40:52 <Tibfib> active card might have been my first purchase
Jun 22 02:40:53 <Tibfib> waste of money
Jun 22 02:40:59 <haeffb> Tibfib wins. I have 45
Jun 22 02:41:45 <Epyon22> man must be fun waiting when you webos doc your phoen
Jun 22 02:42:05 <Tibfib> ohhhh yeah
Jun 22 02:42:14 <Tibfib> especially with the gameloft games I have
Jun 22 02:42:17 <haeffb> wifi ftw
Jun 22 02:42:50 <Tibfib> oh there's my email for chipping in to sugardave's fancy trip
Jun 22 02:42:56 <PatrickC> tibfib: what game loft games?
Jun 22 02:43:03 <Tibfib> many
Jun 22 02:43:23 <PatrickC> nuttybunny
Jun 22 02:43:32 <Tibfib> Sliceit was my last purchase
Jun 22 02:43:55 <NuttyBunny> Hey!
Jun 22 02:44:05 <NuttyBunny> mine was... neato! a week ago ;)
Jun 22 02:44:06 <Jake_M> www.gameloft.com
Jun 22 02:44:13 <Jake_M> check out how many games we're actually missing on webOS
Jun 22 02:44:43 <Loudergood> I only have 8, and 3 of them are angry birds...3 were written by people in here though
Jun 22 02:44:51 <Tibfib> THEY BETTER BE
Jun 22 02:45:10 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 22 02:45:21 <Epyon22> haha
Jun 22 02:45:58 <Loudergood> I see 26 palm pre games by gameloft alone
Jun 22 02:46:24 <Loudergood> wp7 has 5 lol
Jun 22 02:47:06 <Jake_M> wp7 has xbox live games
Jun 22 02:49:14 <Epyon22> ugh my left arrow key is starting to not work. im really noticing it now that im programing :(
Jun 22 02:50:00 <Tibfib> that's not good!
Jun 22 02:50:14 <summatusmentis> dude, just use vim
Jun 22 02:50:16 <dwc-> who needs arrow keys when you have hjkl
Jun 22 02:50:18 <summatusmentis> hjkl :)
Jun 22 02:50:24 <summatusmentis> dwc-: beat me to it
Jun 22 02:50:59 <rwatkins> emacs - remap all keys
Jun 22 02:51:33 <Epyon22> man ive been trying to use vi for a long time. every time i try i get fustrated in 10 min and give up
Jun 22 02:51:57 <summatusmentis> vim is much nicer than vanilla vi
Jun 22 02:52:25 <rwatkins> lipstick on a pig
Jun 22 02:52:34 * haeffb used pencil, paper and and OCR scanner
Jun 22 02:52:51 <Tibfib> heheh
Jun 22 02:52:52 <haeffb> and lots of whiteout
Jun 22 02:53:00 <bpadalino> i have a coworker who loves emacs so much he even browses the web with it
Jun 22 02:53:27 <Epyon22> wtf i didnt even know you could do that
Jun 22 02:53:29 <summatusmentis> my mentor during my first GSoC did that, and checked his email in emacs
Jun 22 02:53:38 <rwatkins> in 93 my image gallery was jwz's test case for inline image support in the emacs webbrowser
Jun 22 02:53:52 <Epyon22> i have a teacher that still uses pine for email checking
Jun 22 02:53:56 <dwc-> emacs is not an editor, it's an environment
Jun 22 02:54:01 <dwc-> pine sucks
Jun 22 02:54:05 <dwc-> elm/mutt > pine
Jun 22 02:54:26 <dwc-> (though elm not so much now, since it lacks things like utf8, has poor handling for mime attachments, etc)
Jun 22 02:54:26 <rwatkins> Pine Is Not Elm
Jun 22 02:54:37 <rwatkins> which is why its called pine
Jun 22 02:54:39 <dwc-> mutt pees on pine
Jun 22 02:54:45 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 22 02:54:55 <dwc-> so what's alpine
Jun 22 02:55:05 * haeffb still uses the US Post Office for mail
Jun 22 02:55:17 <dwc-> Alternatively Licensed Pine Is Not Elm?
Jun 22 02:55:18 <sugardave> I loved pine
Jun 22 02:55:19 <summatusmentis> isn't alpine just the current version of pine?
Jun 22 02:55:25 <Epyon22> someone makes a comment about vi and caueses a linux cl war
Jun 22 02:55:26 <dwc-> no, alpine is a complete rewrite
Jun 22 02:55:26 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 22 02:55:47 <summatusmentis> I thought they forked it and kept maintaining it
Jun 22 02:55:59 <dwc-> http://www.washington.edu/alpine/overview/story.html
Jun 22 02:56:06 <rwatkins> purpose of pine was really IMAP, so its a win anyway.
Jun 22 02:56:53 <summatusmentis> I've considered setting up one of cli email apps, but I like gmail threading too much
Jun 22 02:57:11 <dwc-> mutt threading > gmail <s>threading</s> conversations
Jun 22 02:58:17 <Jake_M> the only good the US Post office is good for is delivering touchpads!
Jun 22 02:59:00 <sugardave> what do the cool kids use to sniff network traffic in windows?
Jun 22 02:59:03 <Epyon22> Jake_M: old tech 3d printer duh! lol
Jun 22 02:59:10 <dwc-> sugardave: a linux box
Jun 22 02:59:15 <Epyon22> haha
Jun 22 02:59:18 <sugardave> lol
Jun 22 02:59:32 <dwc-> I think ethereal works on windows
Jun 22 02:59:35 <sugardave> I just need to look at my local packets coming in/out
Jun 22 02:59:40 <sugardave> okay, cool
Jun 22 02:59:41 <Epyon22> wireshark
Jun 22 02:59:50 <dwc-> yea, whatever they call it these days ;)
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