**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 22 02:59:57 2011
Jun 22 03:06:23 <Jake_M> we've all seen it but...webOS in like 2 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38
Jun 22 03:06:24 <Jake_M> yup
Jun 22 03:06:25 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 22 03:07:38 <Epyon22> man i would totally rock webos on my mirror
Jun 22 03:08:17 <Jake_M> the only real "unrealistic" part is when they're video chatting on the counter
Jun 22 03:08:23 <Jake_M> as if theres like a video camera in every part of the counter lol
Jun 22 03:09:04 <Epyon22> was just thinking the same thing
Jun 22 03:10:43 <Epyon22> start investing in glass cleaner companies
Jun 22 03:10:53 <Jake_M> i was talking to jason robitaille about
Jun 22 03:11:06 <Jake_M> in app purchases for like starbucks where you could have a to go order
Jun 22 03:11:19 <Jake_M> and just buy it in advance then just show up at starbucks and just grab your stuff
Jun 22 03:11:45 <Jake_M> would be great if you had a to do list on your refridgerator
Jun 22 03:12:05 <Jake_M> and you just tapped "buy food" and it just ordered you starbucks. and another great example is when you wake up, have a button that makes you toast
Jun 22 03:12:06 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 22 03:12:40 <Epyon22> microsoft surface is probably the closest to alot of this tech at least scale wise
Jun 22 03:12:57 <NuttyBunny> When they're in the counter you can clearly see the camera above the call display.. sheesh ;)
Jun 22 03:14:01 <Jake_M> yeah but they made it seem like you can put the video chat anywhere and you'll show up
Jun 22 03:14:18 <summatusmentis> hey look, it's an updated ubiqutitous computing video
Jun 22 03:14:29 <dwc-> why do they have cars still though
Jun 22 03:14:36 <dwc-> shouldn't they be flying at least
Jun 22 03:15:09 <Jake_M> it'd be badass if your car started when you put your phone on the touchstone in your car
Jun 22 03:15:49 <dwc-> shouldn't it just know that you're there when you sit down and put your hands on the wheel?
Jun 22 03:15:50 <summatusmentis> I was thinking about that recently, my parents have a third-party unlock system that won't let the car turn on unless you hit the unlock button on the key dongle
Jun 22 03:16:05 <summatusmentis> in theory, there's no reason you couldn't plug a different trigger mechanism for that
Jun 22 03:16:22 <dwc-> lots of 1st party systems have that built into the ignition key
Jun 22 03:16:23 <Jake_M> right but start up the way the car in the video does
Jun 22 03:16:28 <Jake_M> where it knows whose phone it is
Jun 22 03:16:48 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: well, you've seen the "iphone app car starter" commercial right?
Jun 22 03:17:00 <summatusmentis> again, not conceptually that different
Jun 22 03:17:01 <Jake_M> which the new touchstones do that, and you could have mode switcher on your phoen for specific touchstones so it starts up like 4 apps simultaneous(GPS, music etc)
Jun 22 03:17:02 <Jake_M> i have not
Jun 22 03:17:20 <summatusmentis> oh, chevy has some app to start up a specific chevy car
Jun 22 03:17:40 <dwc-> GM (onstar, etc) can do that from their call centers
Jun 22 03:17:45 <Epyon22> im sure you can do it short distance radio
Jun 22 03:17:54 <Epyon22> like the one they started including in the nexus s
Jun 22 03:17:58 <Jake_M> well palm IS hiring RFID and NFC
Jun 22 03:18:00 <Jake_M> so
Jun 22 03:18:01 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 22 03:18:19 <Jake_M> http://twitter.com/#!/webosworld/status/83269999107653632
Jun 22 03:18:41 <Epyon22> lexus just uses a radio signal for its keys now to unlock and start the car it probablly wouldnt be hard to integrate it in a phone
Jun 22 03:18:45 <summatusmentis> well, yeah, but how much of that is catch up to google's "omg cell phone payment" nfc?
Jun 22 03:18:56 <summatusmentis> Epyon22: exactly
Jun 22 03:19:45 <Epyon22> i should steal my gf's nexus for a day and see how that radio works
Jun 22 03:20:06 <Jake_M> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KwbM9YVW3Y
Jun 22 03:21:23 <Epyon22> business venture. nfc car starter
Jun 22 03:23:18 <dwc-> I'd be curious as to how secure those things are
Jun 22 03:23:27 <Jake_M> well as long as its read only
Jun 22 03:23:31 <Jake_M> and theres not writing allowed
Jun 22 03:23:34 <dwc-> be interesting to see what sorts of security papers come out after they start to gain adoption
Jun 22 03:23:50 <phoque_uni> chuqui, are you "the chuq by HP"? If so, can you process the "request for rejection" for my app? :-)
Jun 22 03:24:42 <Epyon22> it seems like you have to be at extremely close proximity for it to work
Jun 22 03:24:49 <NuttyBunny> irc's chuqui is Chuq's mini-me ;)
Jun 22 03:24:57 <dwc-> they say that about rfid too ;)
Jun 22 03:25:11 <Jake_M> what is RFID exactly
Jun 22 03:25:12 <Jake_M> i forget
Jun 22 03:25:15 <dwc-> the ones in passports, e.g.
Jun 22 03:25:19 <dwc-> radio frequency id
Jun 22 03:25:22 <dwc-> entification
Jun 22 03:25:27 <Jake_M> so like a FAB kind of?
Jun 22 03:26:02 <dwc-> it's a typically a loop of wire for an antenna, plus some circuitry, and optionally a power source
Jun 22 03:27:29 <dwc-> but yet you can clone rfid badge/cardkeys, passports, etc
Jun 22 03:27:35 <Jake_M> got you
Jun 22 03:29:36 <Jake_M> twbbas lol
Jun 22 03:37:32 <summatusmentis> even if it's read-only, there's nothing suggesting you can't spoof it
Jun 22 03:37:48 <summatusmentis> presumably they've guarded against that, if they've got mobile payment figured out
Jun 22 03:37:51 <summatusmentis> but who knows
Jun 22 03:38:29 <Epyon22> you might have to register your phonses unique id to the credit card company or somthing
Jun 22 03:41:07 <dwc-> heh. <cynic> since when does not having all the major issues worked out stop people from marketing and selling a technology </cynic>
Jun 22 03:41:11 <Epyon22> great....palm's tutorial doesnt work
Jun 22 03:43:32 <summatusmentis> dwc-: well clearly, but banking/payment stuff is highly regulated
Jun 22 03:44:01 <dwc-> do you think physical checks are secure?
Jun 22 03:44:13 <dwc-> do you think EFT via routing number and account number is secure?
Jun 22 03:45:28 <PatrickC> Epyon22: howso?
Jun 22 03:45:41 <dwc-> have you heard of patco v. people's united bank?
Jun 22 03:45:58 <Epyon22> PatrickC: im getting weird html errors in eclipse
Jun 22 03:46:06 <dwc-> the gist of it is the bank's shitty security helped a customer lose hundreds of thousands of dollars
Jun 22 03:46:19 <PatrickC> hmm.. I don't use Eclipse..
Jun 22 03:46:22 <PatrickC> hello world app?
Jun 22 03:49:20 <chuqui> phoque_uni: I can't, but send an email to pdc@palm.com and ask, I'll get it to the folks who can.
Jun 22 03:51:21 <PatrickC> hey chuqui
Jun 22 03:51:33 <chuqui> PatrickC:  hey
Jun 22 03:52:15 <PatrickC> how's it goin?
Jun 22 03:52:51 <chuqui> goin' okay. just checking mail in a break. still have some email to work through, but I'll do that in a bit after the famnily crashes.
Jun 22 03:53:26 * Tibfib got to inbox zero today
Jun 22 03:53:33 <Tibfib> "mark all" > "archive"
Jun 22 03:53:36 <Tibfib> it felt great
Jun 22 03:54:06 * dwc- hits the "undo" link for tibfib
Jun 22 03:54:12 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 22 03:54:25 <PatrickC> chuqui: sounds like fun
Jun 22 03:54:26 * PatrickC hits the delete all permanently button 
Jun 22 03:54:27 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 22 03:54:28 <Epyon22> the patch that adds delete all and read all = life saver
Jun 22 03:54:38 <Tibfib> yes
Jun 22 03:54:56 <PatrickC> AdoraSuxOilRoolz: new nick time again.. that's too long to type ;)
Jun 22 03:54:57 <Tibfib> if only I had archive in the webOS app
Jun 22 03:55:05 <dwc-> I just use the keyboard shortcuts
Jun 22 03:55:12 <Tibfib> yeah most do
Jun 22 03:55:24 <AdoraSuxOilRoolz> PatrickC: tab for auto complete
Jun 22 03:55:29 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 03:56:16 <PatrickC> AdoraRox is much better
Jun 22 03:56:17 <Tibfib> so is wIRC finally approved?
Jun 22 03:56:28 <PatrickC> shh... don't curse it
Jun 22 03:56:31 * dwc- checks ... hell, not frozen yet
Jun 22 03:56:58 <Tibfib> PatrickC: it's cursed enough, I can't do anything
Jun 22 03:57:04 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 03:57:50 <PatrickC> hmm.. AdoraSuxOilRoolz is in #spaz, #webos, #webos-internals, but not #wirc ..
Jun 22 04:03:46 <PatrickC> can someone try to download the Flap Clock 3000 app please?
Jun 22 04:03:49 <PatrickC> the dl is failing for me
Jun 22 04:05:29 <Epyon22> lol first glance i saw fap clock 300
Jun 22 04:07:19 <Epyon22> do you want the ipk or just somone to tell you it can be dl'ed
Jun 22 04:07:52 <PatrickC> it worked
Jun 22 04:08:04 <PatrickC> I was trying to dl it from the catalog and it was failing
Jun 22 04:08:11 <PatrickC> I fixed it
Jun 22 04:17:11 <LoneStar99> is there an equivelent php "sleep();" in javascript?
Jun 22 04:17:56 <LoneStar99> ok i think i just answered my own question, sugardave had already helped with... oopsss.
Jun 22 04:18:42 <PatrickC> grr.. now the backlog is gone
Jun 22 04:18:53 <PatrickC> ohwell.
Jun 22 04:19:05 <LoneStar99> setTimeout(),
Jun 22 04:19:18 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: what's goin on?
Jun 22 04:20:16 <LoneStar99> jsut alot of reworking of code
Jun 22 04:22:30 <PatrickC> FF5 already?!
Jun 22 04:22:53 <Epyon22> lol i just said the same thing
Jun 22 04:22:57 <Epyon22> like 10 min ago
Jun 22 04:23:16 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 04:23:25 <LoneStar99> yeah they are changing to new release schedule every 6 weeks new release
Jun 22 04:23:42 <Epyon22> what a new version?
Jun 22 04:23:50 <Epyon22> or just a release
Jun 22 04:24:10 <PatrickC> heh.. I can buy the Evo 3D if I want.. I'm a Premiere customer..
Jun 22 04:24:10 <Epyon22> cause we will be to firefox like 20.0.0 in no time
Jun 22 04:24:19 <LoneStar99> version, gonna try to keep up with chrome releases
Jun 22 04:24:20 <PatrickC> will I? no.. can I, yeah.. sadly
Jun 22 04:24:45 <PatrickC> now.. what I want to see. "Pre³ available for Sprint Premier customers!"
Jun 22 04:25:04 <Epyon22> yeah i know
Jun 22 04:25:27 <Epyon22> firefox will need to get the silent version update
Jun 22 04:25:32 <Epyon22> i love that in chrome
Jun 22 04:27:44 <PatrickC> I like Minefield (Nightly) and Safari
Jun 22 04:32:17 <PatrickC> I'm off to bed. night all
Jun 22 04:32:25 <LoneStar99> laters PatrickC
Jun 22 04:32:34 <Epyon22> night PatrickC
Jun 22 04:32:59 <PatrickC> cya, and Epyon22: good luck :)
Jun 22 04:33:15 <PatrickC> I wouldn't learn Mojo if I were you though, I would wait for access to Enyo
Jun 22 04:36:39 <Epyon22> PatrickC: just gettin a feel for it..waitin for the email back
Jun 22 04:36:56 <PatrickC> ok have fun
Jun 22 04:36:58 <PatrickC> night
Jun 22 04:57:27 <sugardave> omg ga_debug works but not ga :s
Jun 22 04:57:44 <rwatkins> oof
Jun 22 04:58:37 <sugardave> that's sort of good news, I guess
Jun 22 04:58:46 <rwatkins> sort of
Jun 22 05:05:47 <halfhalo> ok, there not be enough power around here
Jun 22 05:06:16 <sugardave> at least it's sending events, before I was getting nothing
Jun 22 05:06:24 <sugardave> tempted to leave the sample at that :D
Jun 22 05:06:58 <sugardave> though now I want to know wth is different between them besides "just debugging information"
Jun 22 05:10:18 <rwatkins> debug and log lines mostly stripped - time to rev the version number closer to 1.
Jun 22 05:12:04 <sugardave> woo!
Jun 22 05:12:37 <rwatkins> will likely submit to the catalog tomorrow.  first submission - hope it goes better than wirc
Jun 22 05:12:44 <sugardave> haha
Jun 22 05:12:51 <rwhitby> rwatkins: what's the app?
Jun 22 05:12:54 <rwatkins> gotta make the deadline!
Jun 22 05:13:07 <rwatkins> PaperMache - a webOS Instapaper client
Jun 22 05:13:33 <rwatkins> save articles to read offline, optimized for text reading.
Jun 22 05:13:39 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 22 05:16:27 <rwatkins> wrote a good 90% of a streaming music subscription service app for 1.0 but never saw the light of day when I left the company.
Jun 22 05:17:18 <Epyon22> couldnt you claim that its yours? if you didnt sign any thing saying that every thing you wrote there was theirs of course
Jun 22 05:17:51 <rwatkins> no, the legal was very clear.  i was an employee with proper contracts over who owned what while i worked there.
Jun 22 05:18:14 <Epyon22> ouch that sucks
Jun 22 05:18:29 <rwhitby> Epyon22: in most cases, the default is that your employer owns everything you do
Jun 22 05:18:59 <rwatkins> in the US thats not the case, unless you sign explicity employment agreement saying so.  but most software companies know to do that.
Jun 22 05:19:38 <rwhitby> rwatkins: interesting, I thought it was the case in the US - "work for hire" copyright
Jun 22 05:20:08 <Epyon22> yeah if the contract didnt say any thing about it im sure it would be ez for rwatkins to claim it as his
Jun 22 05:20:47 <sugardave> damn I like this new stuff
Jun 22 05:20:57 <sugardave> it's much better than the old stuff
Jun 22 05:21:17 <rwatkins> there was a good article on it by Joel Spolsky if I can find it
Jun 22 05:21:21 <halfhalo> sugardave: snapple?
Jun 22 05:21:34 <sugardave> so close
Jun 22 05:22:31 <rwatkins> http://answers.onstartups.com/questions/19422/if-im-working-at-a-company-do-they-have-intellectual-property-rights-to-the-stu
Jun 22 05:23:27 <rwatkins> so most companies require it be "work for hire" but its not the default in the US
Jun 22 05:23:49 <rwatkins> you write it you own the copyright, unless some agreement says otherwise.
Jun 22 05:24:03 <dkirker> I am so glad that I am in California. There is a law that prevents companies from "owning", or even asking you to hand over, your previous work, and I think other side work.
Jun 22 05:24:11 <dkirker> If you are a contractor, that is (sorry).
Jun 22 05:27:22 <Epyon22> wow never thought of the 5pm - 9 am problem
Jun 22 05:27:27 <Epyon22> thats interesting
Jun 22 05:27:54 <rwhitby> rwatkins: thanks - that's a good link.
Jun 22 05:28:06 <rwatkins> ya, it the ex-employee that didnt sign in the case of an acquisition thats the real problem.
Jun 22 05:29:18 <rwatkins> which is why you also never sign additional documents when you quit.
Jun 22 05:29:24 <Epyon22> so just started looking at webos stuff today and this site is amazing http://www.weboshelp.net/
Jun 22 05:30:56 <Epyon22> ugh but seems to be rarely updated
Jun 22 05:33:22 <sugardave> Epyon22: http://www.webos101.com is also good
Jun 22 05:34:09 <Epyon22> thx sugardave
Jun 22 05:34:14 <sugardave> np
Jun 22 05:35:20 <dkirker> rwatkins: wow, that is a very interesting link that you posted. It has some interesting discussion going on.
Jun 22 05:37:44 <rwatkins> had an employment agreement once with a bunch of non-compete stuff, etc.  but was prefaced with "upon termination".
Jun 22 05:37:47 <rwatkins> so I quit.
Jun 22 05:37:48 <rwatkins> didnt apply.
Jun 22 05:38:02 <dkirker> That's what I would have done.
Jun 22 05:39:01 <dkirker> I was handed a notice in my employment agreement that actually stated that I had received a part of the California Labor Code regarding contractors.
Jun 22 05:39:51 <dkirker> I want to say that it was for section 2870
Jun 22 05:40:43 <swisstomcat> morning
Jun 22 05:41:37 <LoneStar99> morning
Jun 22 05:41:49 <rwatkins> morning, late night, afternoon ....
Jun 22 05:43:17 <rwatkins> next step in submit prep - verified: no dos line endings
Jun 22 05:57:11 <Epyon22> omg its 2am already i think 5hrs of webos is good for now
Jun 22 05:57:42 <Epyon22> night everyone thx for all the help
Jun 22 07:06:20 <NuttyBunny_ZZZZZ> oil: Damn, I think it worked when I was using palm namespace (the capture thing)... sh*t.. well, I'll look into it tomorrow!
Jun 22 07:06:47 <oil> ok
Jun 22 08:48:57 <dohtem> APPS!
Jun 22 08:49:10 <hotdp> no thanks
Jun 22 08:50:14 <dohtem> ENYO... Y U NO HAVE GRID!
Jun 22 08:50:36 <hotdp> dohtem: your caps lock is stock
Jun 22 08:51:16 <dohtem> I am aware
Jun 22 08:52:40 <dohtem> enough coding
Jun 22 08:52:43 * dohtem is going to bed..
Jun 22 08:53:17 <hotdp> night
Jun 22 08:58:56 <phoque_uni> oh noes
Jun 22 08:59:06 <phoque_uni> I can't update my app in the app catalog
Jun 22 08:59:07 <hotdp> still not rejected?
Jun 22 08:59:12 <phoque_uni> yes, it got rejected
Jun 22 08:59:19 <phoque_uni> but I can't upload the fixed ipk
Jun 22 09:02:16 <phoque_uni> It says the ID is, when compared to all other ipks, not unique.
Jun 22 09:02:28 <phoque_uni> Even though I clicked on "Update"
Jun 22 09:11:08 <hotdp> strange
Jun 22 09:12:58 <phoque_uni> I've sent an email to pdc
Jun 22 09:33:43 <rwhitby> phoque_uni: you need to change the version and filename for the new upload
Jun 22 09:33:55 <rwhitby> the old file is not removed from the system, so you need to submit a file with a different name
Jun 22 10:15:54 <Guest76713> hey... pls. ny1 tell me the concept of dashboard app.?
Jun 22 10:16:32 <Guest76713> do i have to make a seperate scene for dashboard
Jun 22 10:35:15 <hotdp> dashboard?
Jun 22 10:37:20 <Guest76713> yes dashboard app.
Jun 22 10:37:29 <Guest76713> i need for my alarm clock app.
Jun 22 10:38:12 <Guest76713> hav seen in developer.palm website but nt able to get it...
Jun 22 10:41:22 <hotdp> Are you talking about  exihibition?
Jun 22 10:42:31 <Guest76713> actually i need thi for a app to run even after irs killed
Jun 22 10:44:00 <Guest76713> say a type of a background app
Jun 22 10:45:21 <Loudergood> a service?
Jun 22 10:45:37 <Guest76713> k...say how can i make my alarm active when set time matches actuall time...
Jun 22 10:45:41 <Guest76713> ya ..
Jun 22 10:48:27 <Guest76713> how can i do this..?
Jun 22 10:51:20 <Guest76713> and no i dont need for an exhibition...
Jun 22 10:54:11 <Guest76713> help pls....???
Jun 22 12:05:52 <phoque_uni> AHA!
Jun 22 12:05:57 <phoque_uni> I can upload the same appid
Jun 22 12:06:08 <phoque_uni> but not the same version, even if the app has been rejected before
Jun 22 12:11:00 <rwhitby> correct
Jun 22 12:18:48 <summatusmentis> so I just saw the Pacquiao TP commercial, and got really confused when he said "they said I couldn't be elected to congress, but I did"
Jun 22 12:18:56 <summatusmentis> turns out, he meant in the Phillipines
Jun 22 12:44:46 <nuttybunny> *YAAAAAAAAAWN*
Jun 22 12:44:50 <nuttybunny> Mornin' all
Jun 22 12:45:19 <summatusmentis> dude, I've been up for 2 hours
Jun 22 12:45:24 <summatusmentis> :D
Jun 22 12:46:43 <nuttybunny> Ah, 1:30 hours here, but I only slept about 3 hours.. estupido enyo ;)
Jun 22 12:47:11 <summatusmentis> where is here?
Jun 22 12:47:23 <summatusmentis> I didn't know you spoke spanish
Jun 22 12:47:39 <rwhitby> I hear it comes in handy when you live in Mexico
Jun 22 12:47:49 <nuttybunny> no, I meant I've been awake for 1:30 hours
Jun 22 12:47:50 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 22 12:48:05 <nuttybunny> yep, most people uses spanish...
Jun 22 12:48:14 <summatusmentis> right, right, I was curious where you were located, but rwhitby answered :)
Jun 22 12:48:16 <rwatkins> so do you speak backwards down there in Australia?
Jun 22 12:48:17 <summatusmentis> what part of Mexico?
Jun 22 12:48:24 <nuttybunny> in Mexico city we talk "chilango" ;)
Jun 22 12:48:35 <summatusmentis> heh
Jun 22 12:48:40 <rwhitby> rwatkins: yes, but it's reversed as it crosses the equator, so you can understand me.
Jun 22 12:48:49 <summatusmentis> :-D
Jun 22 12:48:58 <rwatkins> sweet!
Jun 22 12:49:59 <nuttybunny> you know, FreeNode plugins, translating from reversed Australian to American to British English, to Mexican ;)
Jun 22 12:50:06 <summatusmentis> nuttybunny: I don't mean to be all nosy, went to spanish immersion elementary school, and was a spanish major in undergrad, so I just get excited when I meet native speakers
Jun 22 12:51:56 <nuttybunny> summatusmentis: no, it's cool ;)   I feel the same talking in english and spanish, but it's always nice to know spanish speakers
Jun 22 13:05:52 * summatusmentis ponders building out interface for his app first
Jun 22 13:28:49 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 22 13:29:11 <hotdp> Good morning LoneStar99
Jun 22 13:31:50 <PatrickC> morning all
Jun 22 13:32:55 <LoneStar99> howdy peeps
Jun 22 13:33:21 <LoneStar99> the best site for storm tracking --> http://www.stormpulse.com/
Jun 22 13:33:49 <PatrickC> morning
Jun 22 13:47:59 <PatrickC> FF7 is nice
Jun 22 13:59:38 <LoneStar99> ff7? or u mean ff5?
Jun 22 14:01:46 <dwc-> to me, ff7 is a video game
Jun 22 14:01:54 <dwc-> but... ff5 was yesterday's news, they're up to 7 now ;)
Jun 22 14:03:52 <cwayne> chromes on like 45459
Jun 22 14:04:44 <LoneStar99> dwc - nice ff10 will be out next week i assume
Jun 22 14:06:50 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: FF7 is their alpha
Jun 22 14:07:04 <PatrickC> I run the alpha version (designed for x64)
Jun 22 14:07:08 <LoneStar99> oh really?
Jun 22 14:07:18 <LoneStar99> is the UI alot different?
Jun 22 14:07:19 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 22 14:07:28 <PatrickC> FF6 is beta, FF7 is alpha
Jun 22 14:07:33 <PatrickC> kinda, but not much
Jun 22 14:07:45 <PatrickC> I had app tabs before official FF did
Jun 22 14:07:50 <PatrickC> and stuff like that
Jun 22 14:12:55 <LoneStar99> PatrickC: oh ok cool, back in the day i was running the first alphas of firefox before people even knew what firefox was, peeps where running mozilla
Jun 22 14:13:08 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 14:15:00 <LoneStar99> this app has been nothing but a string of problems....
Jun 22 14:15:13 <PatrickC> they are all like that lol
Jun 22 14:23:20 <cwayne> PatrickC: lol why would you run alpha
Jun 22 14:23:49 <PatrickC> cause its x64, and its what my dad installed :)
Jun 22 14:23:50 <summatusmentis> holy crap, pre2s on ebay are pricy
Jun 22 14:24:16 <PatrickC> and I like running the beta/alpha versions of things
Jun 22 14:26:12 <cwayne> run beta, not alpha
Jun 22 14:26:44 <LoneStar99> PatrickC:  in this app even the obvious is fails... for example: query string says c=#000, but results show c= nothing
Jun 22 14:27:11 <LoneStar99> correction --> obvious fails
Jun 22 14:27:30 <PatrickC> cwayne: there is no x64 beta
Jun 22 14:27:32 <PatrickC> only alph
Jun 22 14:27:35 <PatrickC> alpha*
Jun 22 14:28:14 <RagingMind> x64... so you have itanium? :P
Jun 22 14:29:04 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 22 14:29:06 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 14:30:15 <RagingMind> PatrickC, x86_64 and x64 are different things
Jun 22 14:30:31 <PatrickC> well.. he installed w7 x64
Jun 22 14:30:37 <PatrickC> on the computer
Jun 22 14:31:23 <RagingMind> I *hate* how people confuse the two... even companies
Jun 22 14:32:03 <PatrickC> hmm.. I've never heard of that..
Jun 22 14:32:27 * haeffb going to try to string some problems together today.
Jun 22 14:32:44 <RagingMind> PatrickC, we've had this exact discussion before ;)
Jun 22 14:32:48 <RagingMind> google Itanium
Jun 22 14:34:30 <Lazar_Dobrescu> note that Microsoft and Oracle use x64 for x86-64, and i64 for x64.. so that can get confusing quick
Jun 22 14:34:55 <PatrickC> 1.73GHz max speed...
Jun 22 14:36:10 <PatrickC> Itanium was made by HP :)
Jun 22 14:36:45 <Lazar_Dobrescu> I think using x64 for the amd64 architecture is fine really
Jun 22 14:36:56 <Lazar_Dobrescu> I've never seen it used for itanium.. always i64 or ia-64
Jun 22 14:37:11 <Lazar_Dobrescu> even wikipedia redirects x64 to their x86-64 page
Jun 22 14:38:56 <PatrickC> it redirects ia-64 to itanium iirc
Jun 22 14:39:30 <Lazar_Dobrescu> yes, and so it should
Jun 22 14:41:41 <Lazar_Dobrescu> heh some quick research found out that x64 is Microsoft's designation for both amd64 and em64T(Intel's implementation of amd64)
Jun 22 14:41:54 <Lazar_Dobrescu> and afaict there is no other thing that x64 means
Jun 22 14:41:56 <Lazar_Dobrescu> never itanium
Jun 22 14:44:48 <HattCzech_work> i was under the same impression as Lazar_Dobrescu is... x64 is amd/intel, where i64 was itanium
Jun 22 14:45:05 <cwayne> i always heard of it as amd64
Jun 22 14:45:38 <summatusmentis> amd64 == x86_64
Jun 22 14:45:42 <cwayne> x64 doesnt really make sense
Jun 22 14:45:45 <cwayne> summatusmentis: yeah
Jun 22 14:45:52 <summatusmentis> I've never seen x64
Jun 22 14:46:13 <cwayne> i hadnt til just now
Jun 22 14:46:20 <cwayne> maybe its mostly a stupid windows thing
Jun 22 14:46:31 <summatusmentis> I've alwasy seen i64 for Itanium
Jun 22 14:49:56 <cwayne> besides, im more of a fan of n64
Jun 22 14:49:59 <cwayne> :P
Jun 22 14:50:07 <summatusmentis> hah
Jun 22 14:50:41 <oil> mario world 64!
Jun 22 14:51:08 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 14:51:13 <HattCzech_work> heheh
Jun 22 14:51:18 <dohtem> GoldenEye!
Jun 22 14:51:19 <cwayne> all about starfox64 man
Jun 22 14:51:24 * oil will be oddjob
Jun 22 14:51:31 <HattCzech_work> goldeneye for the win!
Jun 22 14:51:31 * cwayne is pumped theres an n64 emulator in the ubuntu repos
Jun 22 14:51:32 <oil> haha
Jun 22 14:51:53 <dohtem> goldeneye and mario kart ftw
Jun 22 14:51:59 * halfhalo grumbles.  his power has been out since 11 last night
Jun 22 14:52:07 <dohtem> i miss the N64
Jun 22 14:52:14 * oil has one in a box somewhere
Jun 22 14:52:18 <halfhalo> yes goldeneye ftw. (whats going on here?)
Jun 22 14:52:34 <dcousineau> goldeneye on a tiny 14" tv, 4 player
Jun 22 14:52:36 <dcousineau> nothing better
Jun 22 14:52:36 <oil> halfhalo: reminiscing of the "good ol days"
Jun 22 14:52:40 <dcousineau> "STOP SCREEN WATCHING"
Jun 22 14:52:43 <dohtem> haha
Jun 22 14:52:45 <dcousineau> "How can I not?"
Jun 22 14:53:00 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 14:53:04 <dohtem> or 4 player FIFA 98
Jun 22 14:53:05 <oil> oh, screen peeker
Jun 22 14:53:16 <PatrickC> grr.. I want Chromium, but don't want to compile...
Jun 22 14:53:29 <cwayne> starfoxxxxxxxxxxxx64
Jun 22 14:53:33 <halfhalo> PatrickC: haha.
Jun 22 14:53:35 <cwayne> TRY A SOMERSAULT
Jun 22 14:53:38 <dcousineau> there was one game I played on my friends n64
Jun 22 14:53:44 <dcousineau> Spheretris or something like that
Jun 22 14:53:44 <halfhalo> DO A BARREL ROLL
Jun 22 14:53:49 <dcousineau> was badass fun
Jun 22 14:54:27 <halfhalo> nothing beats the mario kart mode with the ballons
Jun 22 14:54:38 <cwayne> battle mode?
Jun 22 14:54:43 <cwayne> then you die and your a bomb
Jun 22 14:54:48 <cwayne> youre
Jun 22 14:55:00 <dcousineau> all my mario kart time went into the SNES
Jun 22 14:55:11 <cwayne> i need to play ocarina of time.
Jun 22 14:55:13 <cwayne> right now.
Jun 22 14:55:14 <halfhalo> thats what it is! battle mode
Jun 22 14:55:43 <cwayne> http://www.bustedtees.com/songofstomszelda
Jun 22 14:55:48 <oil> do a barrel roll!
Jun 22 14:56:02 <cwayne> NEVER GIVE UP, TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS
Jun 22 14:56:26 <oil> wow, now i really want to play zelda
Jun 22 14:56:38 * cwayne is downloading n64 roms as we speak
Jun 22 14:56:42 <cwayne> goodbye productive workday
Jun 22 14:56:42 <dcousineau> I want to go out and get a 3ds
Jun 22 14:56:43 <dcousineau> get the ocarina remake
Jun 22 14:56:45 <cwayne> helllllllo zelda
Jun 22 14:56:55 <cwayne> dcousineau: i may buy it JUST for that
Jun 22 14:56:57 <halfhalo> i want the vita more than the 3ds
Jun 22 14:56:58 <dohtem> cwayne: Score!
Jun 22 14:57:05 <halfhalo> QUAD CORE BABY
Jun 22 14:57:15 <dcousineau> cwayne: I will buy just for that
Jun 22 14:57:19 <dcousineau> cwayne: and the starfox remake
Jun 22 14:57:30 <dcousineau> already have the goldeneye remake on mah wii
Jun 22 14:57:33 <cwayne> dcousineau: yeah i need that now.
Jun 22 14:57:40 <cwayne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82NjJjhsHag
Jun 22 14:57:43 <dcousineau> which one? :P
Jun 22 14:57:48 <cwayne> dcousineau: ALL
Jun 22 14:57:52 * oil has perfect dark remake on his 360
Jun 22 14:58:00 <dohtem> look at those graphics!
Jun 22 14:58:02 * halfhalo likes perfect dark zero
Jun 22 14:58:09 <halfhalo> stupid loading movie
Jun 22 14:58:18 <dohtem> I never liked perfect dark zero
Jun 22 14:59:07 <dcousineau> never played it myself
Jun 22 14:59:18 <halfhalo> oh, oh, oh, infamous 2 gets here today
Jun 22 14:59:46 * dohtem got LA Noire yesterday!
Jun 22 14:59:54 <oil> lol
Jun 22 15:00:05 <cwayne> dohtem: any good?
Jun 22 15:00:18 <dcousineau> dohtem: I want it..........
Jun 22 15:00:22 <dcousineau> that and the new alice
Jun 22 15:00:25 <oil> its very dumbed down
Jun 22 15:00:28 <dohtem> havent gotten to it yet.  [redacted] is taking up my time
Jun 22 15:00:29 <dcousineau> AND SKYRIM
Jun 22 15:00:32 <oil> but its still pretty awesome
Jun 22 15:00:45 <oil> i mean, like controll wise vs gta
Jun 22 15:00:54 <dcousineau> come 11 11 11 i'll be taking all my vacation time
Jun 22 15:01:26 <dcousineau> http://youtu.be/c9eGtyqz4gY <-- is totally m
Jun 22 15:01:27 <dcousineau> *me
Jun 22 15:02:02 <PatrickC> hotfile ftw
Jun 22 15:02:55 <halfhalo> nonono, uncharted 3
Jun 22 15:02:59 <halfhalo> and battlefield 3
Jun 22 15:03:05 <halfhalo> and.. well, thats all I got
Jun 22 15:03:17 <dcousineau> yeah eventualy a ps3 will be had
Jun 22 15:03:23 <dcousineau> and the uncharted series will be the first purchases
Jun 22 15:03:26 <halfhalo> i heart mine
Jun 22 15:03:33 <halfhalo> ps3mediaserver makes it all worth it
Jun 22 15:03:39 <PatrickC> modern warfare 1 2 and 3 rock
Jun 22 15:03:40 <dcousineau> BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO, I'm waiting on dev coupon word for the touchpad
Jun 22 15:04:04 <dcousineau> PatrickC: meh. I've read too much clancy to care anymore about them and battlefield *shrug*
Jun 22 15:04:39 <LoneStar99> dcousineau:  no TP coupons, devs will have to pay double =)
Jun 22 15:04:45 * PatrickC got to drive about 2 hours yesterday...
Jun 22 15:04:54 <PatrickC> hopefully will get to drive today :)
Jun 22 15:04:55 <dcousineau> LoneStar99: this after I helped you yesterday?
Jun 22 15:05:02 <dcousineau> LoneStar99: cold, bro. cold.
Jun 22 15:05:08 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: if that happens, we come after you :P
Jun 22 15:05:26 <LoneStar99> you want to develop for webos you need to pay HP for apps, even free apps... LOL
Jun 22 15:05:34 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 22 15:05:39 <PatrickC> yeah, right...
Jun 22 15:05:44 <dcousineau> PatrickC: wanted to make a joke about  you being 16, but with Tibfib_ I can't be sure you aren't...
Jun 22 15:06:02 * PatrickC doesn't want to go to the dentist today..
Jun 22 15:06:06 <PatrickC> I'm not 16 :)
Jun 22 15:06:08 <PatrickC> I'm 15
Jun 22 15:06:23 <dcousineau> ;)
Jun 22 15:06:25 <dcousineau> knew it
Jun 22 15:06:35 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 22 15:06:44 <cwayne> yoiu can tell cus he didnt join in on the n64 nostalgia
Jun 22 15:06:51 <dohtem> haha
Jun 22 15:06:55 <PatrickC> oh, I love n64
Jun 22 15:07:09 <PatrickC> its one of my faves, goldeneye and starfox ftw!
Jun 22 15:07:17 <PatrickC> I played it all the time when I was younger
Jun 22 15:07:23 <dohtem> kids these days... remember when the only way you saw game credits was when you finally beat the game?
Jun 22 15:07:25 <LoneStar99> ok back to my troublesome app
Jun 22 15:07:38 <dohtem> now you can launch the credits from the menu
Jun 22 15:07:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 15:08:06 <dcousineau> shit best game ever: Megaman 2
Jun 22 15:08:07 <PatrickC> back when if you had 15 games, you were lucky.. now its 50 games and that's too few :P
Jun 22 15:09:44 <cwayne> http://imgur.com/OwVsh
Jun 22 15:12:17 * cwayne also wants to play donkey kong country on snes now
Jun 22 15:12:48 <dcousineau> shit come on over
Jun 22 15:12:49 <PatrickC> sugardave: ping
Jun 22 15:12:53 <dcousineau> have my original SNES and all three
Jun 22 15:14:05 <cwayne> dcousineau: i've got all three at my parents house somewhere
Jun 22 15:17:29 <LoneStar99> i had an atari 2600 left it with my ex girlfriend =(
Jun 22 15:17:39 <LoneStar99> or not sure where
Jun 22 15:18:20 <PatrickC> is there a way I can have a button do 1 thing when on EV/WiFi and have it do another thing when on 1X?
Jun 22 15:20:21 <haeffb> PatrickC: you can check on the connection status
Jun 22 15:20:42 <PatrickC> can I make the button act different based on the connection status?
Jun 22 15:20:59 <haeffb> you can make the button do whatever you want
Jun 22 15:21:24 <haeffb> excuse me. you MAY make the button do whatever you want. Whether you can or not is up to you.
Jun 22 15:21:45 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 15:21:48 <PatrickC> sounds good..
Jun 22 15:21:52 <haeffb> rwhitby-tp: ME WANT!
Jun 22 15:23:11 <haeffb> PatrickC: you need to look at Services, and specifically palm://com.palm.connectionmanager
Jun 22 15:23:22 <PatrickC> thanks
Jun 22 15:24:40 <PatrickC> now.. I need to figure out how to pass the contents of a textfield to my button and do something with it...
Jun 22 15:28:30 <cwayne> lolwut
Jun 22 15:29:04 <PatrickC> In my app, a user puts something into a textfield, and hits a button
Jun 22 15:29:21 <PatrickC> I need to get the contents of the textfield and pass it to my button
Jun 22 15:30:13 <PatrickC> singmajesty: hey
Jun 22 15:30:29 <singmajesty> yo
Jun 22 15:30:58 <PatrickC> how goes it?
Jun 22 15:32:16 <singmajesty> Swimmingly, I think
Jun 22 15:32:35 <singmajesty> Trying to decide if I should pre-order the case, keyboard and touchstone, or wait for us to get it internally
Jun 22 15:32:41 <singmajesty> (not sure which is faster)
Jun 22 15:32:49 <PatrickC> wait, its cheaper :)
Jun 22 15:33:11 <singmajesty> Yeah, but I think my wife really wants to have one, too
Jun 22 15:33:33 <singmajesty> So if I did purchase it, I could share it with her if I get the same, internally
Jun 22 15:33:35 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 22 15:34:19 <singmajesty> I'm also happy because I think an outstanding bug has just been fixed, so I'm updating and I'm going to test it
Jun 22 15:34:25 <destinal-home> has anyone played with the new touchpad keyboard, comparing it to the mac bt keyboard and common ipad bt keyboards?  how does it compare?
Jun 22 15:34:51 <singmajesty> I have seen one TouchStone up close, and one case from far away, and no keyboard
Jun 22 15:35:04 <singmajesty> You need to be special to get accessories early, I think
Jun 22 15:35:08 <singmajesty> :)
Jun 22 15:35:29 <destinal-home> hmm, was hoping someone here had been at the demos
Jun 22 15:35:30 <singmajesty> I can tell you that it *looks* cool to me. I'm interested
Jun 22 15:35:42 <singmajesty> Maybe someone has
Jun 22 15:35:59 * haeffb has seen pictures
Jun 22 15:36:07 <PatrickC> chuqui gets everything early :)
Jun 22 15:36:53 <singmajesty> I think they only had the on-screen keyboard at the demos
Jun 22 15:37:06 <singmajesty> I had a TouchPad three weeks before chuqui
Jun 22 15:37:22 <singmajesty> He had to "tough it out" with a competing device until then
Jun 22 15:38:22 <PatrickC> "competing" device huh? :)
Jun 22 15:38:28 <PatrickC> I'll take either ;)
Jun 22 15:40:16 <destinal-home> singmajesty: what I wonder, is whether we can make bluetooth controllers like this zeemote: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/z/9422332.p?id=1218102738511   work with pre*/touchpad
Jun 22 15:41:51 <destinal-home> with a touchpad and stand maybe wiimote and nunchuk would be good too, but this, I was thinking would be handy for phones since you can hold the device in one hand and controller in the other
Jun 22 15:41:54 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: "competing" here probably means iPad
Jun 22 15:42:40 <PatrickC> Chromium tocks
Jun 22 15:43:12 <singmajesty> Opera rocks ;)
Jun 22 15:43:33 <summatusmentis> I used Opera for a while
Jun 22 15:43:43 <PatrickC> I haven't used Opera yet..
Jun 22 15:44:04 <PatrickC> Chromium has good debuging tools
Jun 22 15:44:47 <singmajesty> The only "downside" to Opera is that it isn't WebKit
Jun 22 15:45:07 <PatrickC> see.. I need webkit..
Jun 22 15:45:08 <singmajesty> So something like Enyo, which is written specifically for WebKit's quirks, doesn't perfectly work as it is
Jun 22 15:45:18 <PatrickC> ^^ :)
Jun 22 15:45:37 <halfhalo> opera bugs me
Jun 22 15:45:59 <singmajesty> However, I love the debugging tools, the built-in email, IRC, bittorrent, mouse gestures, voice command, text to speech, data compression for slow connections, file music and photo sharing, etc.
Jun 22 15:46:22 <singmajesty> ...and it runs fast and doesn't feel like it has features spilling out everywhere, like Eclipse
Jun 22 15:46:30 <Lazar_Dobrescu> not to mention that all the cool features in every single browser for the last 10 years have been copied from opera
Jun 22 15:46:33 <halfhalo> it has to many little quirks that I don't like, and same with firefox nowadays
Jun 22 15:48:19 <halfhalo> I use chrome because its fast
Jun 22 15:48:30 <halfhalo> fast like a kid on sugar
Jun 22 15:49:01 <singmajesty> I have never used a faster mail client
Jun 22 15:49:06 <PatrickC> git is picky...
Jun 22 15:49:16 <halfhalo> oh, I would kill its mail client
Jun 22 15:49:22 <singmajesty> I think I have 50,000+ mail messages in here right now
Jun 22 15:49:40 <singmajesty> Chews through it like nothing. Much faster than Thunderbird or especially Outlook or Evolution
Jun 22 15:49:48 <singmajesty> ...and supports push mail
Jun 22 15:49:56 <halfhalo> singmajesty: add a zero to that and you have my message count
Jun 22 15:50:38 <Lazar_Dobrescu> that being said benchmarks tend to say the jury's still out on whether chrome is faster or opera is faster...
Jun 22 15:50:45 <Lazar_Dobrescu> I dont like the mail interface in opera though :(
Jun 22 15:51:16 <halfhalo> I am pretty much restricted to mac mail with an ssd.  without an ssd it takes about 10 minutes to start up
Jun 22 15:52:29 <halfhalo> sooo... time to go ups shopping!
Jun 22 15:54:43 <halfhalo> its amazing how long a little 330VA ups will go with only a mac mini on it.  hint: hours
Jun 22 15:56:12 * PatrickC wishes his lappy was win7 or ubuntu...
Jun 22 15:56:25 <PatrickC> it will be in a few months.. well.. Ubuntu and OSX
Jun 22 15:56:25 <singmajesty> PatrickC: What are you using?
Jun 22 15:56:58 <PatrickC> an old Compaq Presario
Jun 22 15:57:04 <chuqui> ol morning-o
Jun 22 15:57:17 <singmajesty> Hey howdy hey
Jun 22 15:57:43 <PatrickC> chuqui: hey
Jun 22 16:11:14 <singmajesty> By the way, I just ran Peacekeeper
Jun 22 16:11:38 <singmajesty> Chromium got 9165, Opera got 9910
Jun 22 16:12:58 <LoneStar99> singmajesty:  what are those numbers speed tests?
Jun 22 16:13:47 <singmajesty> Benchmark
Jun 22 16:14:23 <singmajesty> From here, Chrome got twice the score in "Data", but Opera definitely got a better "Complex Graphics" score, which I think is Canvas
Jun 22 16:14:45 <PatrickC> webos does canvas? right?
Jun 22 16:15:09 <singmajesty> Opera was faster at "social networking" and "rendering", but Chrome had comparable text manipulation
Jun 22 16:15:18 <singmajesty> From here, Opera was faster at DOM manipulation
Jun 22 16:15:47 <singmajesty> Yep. webOS does support canvas, but there still may be types of use that won't work perfectly
Jun 22 16:16:11 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 22 16:16:12 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 22 16:25:22 <haeffb> hi chuqui
Jun 22 16:29:46 <haeffb> chuqui: it would be really cool to have webos developer docs readable on the TP
Jun 22 16:31:38 <chuqui> haeffb:  yeah. that's on the roadmap.
Jun 22 16:32:09 <chuqui> haeffb:  sad to say, we have lots of things we want to do, but we don't get infinite resources, and so we're still trying to get some of them done...
Jun 22 16:33:02 * haeffb though HP meant "infinite resources"... :)
Jun 22 16:33:46 <chuqui> haeffb:  no, just "lots more than we had" resources.
Jun 22 16:33:59 <chuqui> haeffb: and "this means my paycheck won't bounce" resources.
Jun 22 16:34:28 <haeffb> oooh. those are good resources!
Jun 22 16:34:29 <halfhalo> that last one is the best one
Jun 22 16:34:44 <chuqui> halfhalo:  oh, yeah. definite.y
Jun 22 16:34:57 <chuqui> love you folks, but still, paying the rent is a good thing.
Jun 22 16:35:12 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 22 16:35:13 <haeffb> we'd probably chip in for a month or two if necessary...
Jun 22 16:35:49 <haeffb> but after that, you're on your own
Jun 22 16:36:02 <adora-phone> OIL OIL
Jun 22 16:36:07 <halfhalo> oh god
Jun 22 16:36:07 <oil> ?
Jun 22 16:36:08 <chuqui> I'm just glad I dn't need to make that choice.
Jun 22 16:36:13 <adora-phone> can I do it?  =D
Jun 22 16:36:27 <chuqui> adora-phone: hey girl, happy birthday awesome lady!
Jun 22 16:36:42 <oil> approve away?
Jun 22 16:36:45 <haeffb> adora-phone: what he said.
Jun 22 16:36:54 <halfhalo> yup, what they said
Jun 22 16:37:11 <adora-phone> thx guys =]
Jun 22 16:42:00 <mickdouglas> hi. I'm trying to do a little hack project with my pre-.  Is there an API that allows me to querry wifi or bt signal strength?
Jun 22 16:44:09 <haeffb> mickdouglas: look at the connectionmanager service
Jun 22 16:44:40 <haeffb> not sure if it gives signal strength, but...
Jun 22 16:51:23 <simeonf> good bye!
Jun 22 17:10:35 <tyranir> is css query functionality provided or something that you'd have to add a third party js lib for?
Jun 22 17:14:05 <hotdp> css query?
Jun 22 17:15:46 <oil> like with prototype you can do $$('.myClassName') and get an array of every element with the class myClassName
Jun 22 17:15:50 <tyranir> querying the dom by using a css selector, ('.container .item)
Jun 22 17:16:00 <tyranir> cool thx
Jun 22 17:16:02 <tyranir> that'll work :)
Jun 22 17:16:19 <oil> i think mojo has its own multistage-safe version
Jun 22 17:18:03 <hotdp> Ahh i get it
Jun 22 17:18:08 <hotdp> like jquery :P
Jun 22 17:25:36 * PatrickC wanders in
Jun 22 17:33:17 <oil> http://i54.tinypic.com/21lsygz.png !
Jun 22 17:33:26 <hotdp> wooooooooot
Jun 22 17:33:31 <Tibfib_> RAPTURE IS COMING
Jun 22 17:33:33 <Tibfib_> HIDE HIDE HIDE
Jun 22 17:33:34 <halfhalo> its the apocalypse!
Jun 22 17:33:36 <oil> lol
Jun 22 17:33:39 <dcousineau> lolwut?
Jun 22 17:33:50 <oil> wircocalypse?
Jun 22 17:34:03 <dcousineau> is wirc in the main app catalog now?
Jun 22 17:34:10 <oil> whenever it updates
Jun 22 17:34:15 <Tibfib_> whoa.
Jun 22 17:34:18 <Tibfib_> crazy
Jun 22 17:34:18 <dcousineau> jawesome
Jun 22 17:34:23 <Tibfib_> how much is it?
Jun 22 17:34:39 <oil> a hundred million dollars!
Jun 22 17:34:59 <dcousineau> only that little?
Jun 22 17:35:03 <oil> no, 4.29
Jun 22 17:35:03 <dcousineau> i'da paid twice as much
Jun 22 17:35:22 <Tibfib_> aww, that's like 14 cents more than I was willing to pay
Jun 22 17:35:30 <oil> lol
Jun 22 17:35:49 * hotdp wonders if Adora have waiting until she where 30
Jun 22 17:36:02 <oil> totally what happened!
Jun 22 17:36:13 <Tibfib_> haha!
Jun 22 17:36:54 <oil> "my birthdays a few days away but its ready, oh i'll *accidentally* hit reject"
Jun 22 17:37:10 <hotdp> :D
Jun 22 17:38:01 <summatusmentis> 4.29? dang
Jun 22 17:38:26 <Tibfib_> I know. 4.15 is way more reasonable
Jun 22 17:39:01 <oil> not like its not worth it
Jun 22 17:39:16 * Tibfib_ pirates wIRC
Jun 22 17:39:37 <oil> its still free in preware
Jun 22 17:39:50 * Tibfib_ pirates wIRC in preware*
Jun 22 17:40:20 <summatusmentis> I'm not saying it's not worth it, just not the # I was expecting
Jun 22 17:40:23 * halfhalo submitted a line of code to wirc, he demands compensation!
Jun 22 17:40:34 <oil> :/
Jun 22 17:41:05 <oil> some of it goes to webos internals
Jun 22 17:41:21 * halfhalo demands cookie!
Jun 22 17:41:27 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: I think that gets you free promo codes fo rlife, at least
Jun 22 17:41:40 <Tibfib_> I feel like I did something to wIRC
Jun 22 17:41:45 <oil> lol
Jun 22 17:41:47 * Tibfib_ demands a cookie too!
Jun 22 17:42:14 <summatusmentis> it's interesting, it seems like webos apps tend to have a higher quantity of pay-for apps, percentag-wise, than other platforms
Jun 22 17:42:23 <summatusmentis> but I suppose weo don't really have as many ad-driven apps
Jun 22 17:42:38 * Popple3 sighs
Jun 22 17:42:40 <Tibfib_> oh, oil, did I make the screenshot?
Jun 22 17:42:50 <oil> ?
Jun 22 17:42:52 <Popple3> Gonna have to risk wiping all my apps off my phone to buy wIRC now
Jun 22 17:43:05 <Tibfib_> for wIRC in the catalog!
Jun 22 17:43:07 <oil> its 2.x only
Jun 22 17:43:40 * summatusmentis commits to buying wIRC at a later point
Jun 22 17:43:41 <oil> well, in the catalog
Jun 22 17:43:58 <summatusmentis> but only if you buy my app when it comes out :)
Jun 22 17:44:04 <summatusmentis> s/when/if/
Jun 22 17:44:37 <oil> lol
Jun 22 17:45:10 <Popple3> Oh wait, I won't be able to buy it :(
Jun 22 17:46:01 <Popple3> unless, has the bug been fixed where 2.x apps aren't showing up on Pre-/+?
Jun 22 17:52:14 <PatrickC> oil_dev: wirc approval?
Jun 22 17:52:21 <oil> yeah
Jun 22 17:52:35 <PatrickC> awesome!
Jun 22 17:52:52 <PatrickC> how much
Jun 22 17:53:06 <Popple3> 4.29
Jun 22 17:53:31 <PatrickC> Popple3: already in the catalog?
Jun 22 17:53:47 <Popple3> PatrickC: Don't think so, but should be soon
Jun 22 17:53:49 <oil> not yet
Jun 22 17:53:56 <PatrickC> its there
Jun 22 17:54:01 <PatrickC> I'm looking at it now!!!!
Jun 22 17:54:42 <PatrickC> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=org.webosinternals.catalog.wirc&applicationid=9315
Jun 22 17:56:35 <PatrickC> AdoraSuxPullyRoolz: nick change time :)
Jun 22 17:58:00 <singmajesty> So wIRC has been approved?
Jun 22 17:58:09 <summatusmentis> indeed
Jun 22 17:58:11 <oil> yep
Jun 22 17:58:18 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 22 17:58:24 <PatrickC> and congrats!!
Jun 22 17:58:32 <singmajesty> Did you switch to palm-package instead of ipkg, or just take care of the line endings yourself, or did Adora have to push this through by hand?
Jun 22 17:59:13 <Patrick_AtDentis> cya
Jun 22 18:09:40 <RagingMind> yay! wirc in the app cat!  *dances*
Jun 22 18:27:52 <summatusmentis> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/mightytext-pushes-messages-and-incoming-call-alerts-to-your-comp/
Jun 22 18:28:21 <sugardave> yay oil!
Jun 22 18:28:26 <oil> :)
Jun 22 18:30:00 <Tibfib_> YESSSSS I MADE THE SCREENSHOT
Jun 22 18:30:12 <oil> haha
Jun 22 18:30:32 <halfhalo> heh, so am I
Jun 22 18:31:32 * oil will replace that screenshot next update
Jun 22 18:31:37 <halfhalo> awww
Jun 22 18:31:39 <oil> with one of just me saying HAHAHA a bunch
Jun 22 18:31:40 <oil> haha
Jun 22 18:31:52 <oil> and ill throw in some asdfjkl;
Jun 22 18:31:58 <Tibfib_> I'm disappointed you didn't keep my koto player plug
Jun 22 18:32:09 <oil> lol
Jun 22 18:32:57 <Tibfib_> arggg and my app catalog doesn't work
Jun 22 18:33:00 * oil wonders if the ammount of wircer@ joins will go up much
Jun 22 18:34:27 <singmajesty> You guys going to make an Enyo interface?
Jun 22 18:34:38 <singmajesty> Would be great to have wIRC full-screen on a TouchPad
Jun 22 18:34:42 <summatusmentis> there was a preview image posted to twitter of just that
Jun 22 18:34:44 <halfhalo> singmajesty: inorit
Jun 22 18:34:55 <singmajesty> (You can use a fat packaging script to include both versions in the IPK)
Jun 22 18:35:09 <oil> singmajesty: eventually
Jun 22 18:35:19 <Tibfib_> PuffTheMagic has been working on it lately
Jun 22 18:35:19 <singmajesty> Cool
Jun 22 18:35:27 <oil> i've got all wi apps to rewrite into enyo :/
Jun 22 18:35:28 <summatusmentis> but i don't remember where it was located
Jun 22 18:35:41 <halfhalo> oil needs minions
Jun 22 18:35:48 <oil> srsly
Jun 22 18:36:04 <oil> well im starting with lumberjack to cut my teeth on enyo
Jun 22 18:36:15 <oil> ill probably move to preware in a few days
Jun 22 18:36:41 <oil> just put the finishing touches on getting mojo preware working fullscreen on tp though
Jun 22 18:36:49 <Tibfib_> oh yeah
Jun 22 18:36:52 <oil> back buttons everywhere, buttons to intiiate search/etc
Jun 22 18:37:16 <oil> but it looks a little ridiculous at that size haha
Jun 22 18:37:24 <Tibfib_> haha
Jun 22 18:37:27 <Tibfib_> bbiab
Jun 22 18:46:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Does anyone know if the TouchPad will have renameable/additional pages in the launcher like webOS 2?
Jun 22 18:49:03 <NuttyBunny> I don't see options :S
Jun 22 18:50:37 <oil> NDAAA
Jun 22 18:50:58 <NuttyBunny> huh? no, I don't see any options on what to eat today ;)
Jun 22 18:51:14 <oil> heh
Jun 22 18:51:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
Jun 22 18:51:33 <NuttyBunny> argh.. I'm indeed hungry... and I just arrived :S
Jun 22 18:52:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh well, if not, nothing webOS Internals probably won't be able to fix! :-)
Jun 22 18:52:37 <oil> if its anything like the 2.x launcher its unpatchable
Jun 22 18:52:41 <oil> it went native
Jun 22 18:56:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> true
Jun 22 18:56:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ...damn.
Jun 22 19:02:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oil: sell me on buying wIRC... what does it offer over the HB version?
Jun 22 19:03:06 <haeffb> prestige
Jun 22 19:03:13 <NuttyBunny> automatic installation on phone switching
Jun 22 19:03:15 <oil> knowing you're supporting future development?
Jun 22 19:03:21 <haeffb> happiness
Jun 22 19:03:33 <haeffb> eternal love
Jun 22 19:03:34 <oil> lots of women?
Jun 22 19:03:51 <haeffb> money for nothing, chicks for free
Jun 22 19:04:03 <RagingMind> oil, lots of women isn't a draw for everyone :-P
Jun 22 19:04:13 <oil> lots of doods?
Jun 22 19:04:37 <cwayne> oil: NO THANK YOU
Jun 22 19:04:54 <NuttyBunny> mmm... $43? mmm... I usually don't buy apps over $30 :(
Jun 22 19:04:54 <oil> heh
Jun 22 19:07:34 <NuttyBunny> 0 reviews. I need to see reviews to convince me to buy an app
Jun 22 19:07:44 <oil> lol
Jun 22 19:08:33 <haeffb> oil: is a different appid from homebrew?
Jun 22 19:08:42 <oil> yeah
Jun 22 19:08:54 <NuttyBunny> wircappcat
Jun 22 19:09:18 <haeffb> man, who made those awful screenshots?
Jun 22 19:09:29 <NuttyBunny> damn.. I'm falling asleep :S  help !
Jun 22 19:09:36 <oil> awfu?!
Jun 22 19:09:57 <Epyon22> wohoo just got my email to test out enyo
Jun 22 19:10:00 <oil> and im sure we got some reviews, just none have showed up yet
Jun 22 19:10:09 <haeffb> just kidding Tibfib_
Jun 22 19:10:16 <NuttyBunny> The screenshots don't conform to Palm standards
Jun 22 19:10:37 <NuttyBunny> as far as I remember, you should have full battery and full signal :P
Jun 22 19:10:43 <oil> lol
Jun 22 19:10:48 <NuttyBunny> you have no signal :)
Jun 22 19:10:50 <oil> getting rejected for that = HILARIOUS
Jun 22 19:10:55 <oil> dev pre2 no sim
Jun 22 19:11:42 <NuttyBunny> yeah, but it got rejected for soooo many different things :)
Jun 22 19:12:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oil: I can get behind the support one.
Jun 22 19:13:05 <oil> thanks :)
Jun 22 19:13:09 <NuttyBunny> I have to put more money into the account and I'll gladly buy wirc as well
Jun 22 19:13:49 <oil> basically palm takes their cut, then we're sending part of whats left to wi, and puffy and i split whats left
Jun 22 19:14:02 <NuttyBunny> so, $1 for each one
Jun 22 19:14:11 <oil> something like that
Jun 22 19:14:34 <NuttyBunny> I'll wait till the devs release some promo codes
Jun 22 19:14:37 <NuttyBunny> :D
Jun 22 19:15:36 <oil> lol
Jun 22 19:15:49 * haeffb waiting for HP to do a "half-price apps" sale again this summer
Jun 22 19:16:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ would LOVE that
Jun 22 19:16:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> a sale on TouchPad apps would be a GREAT marketing move
Jun 22 19:16:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> encourage people to buy it
Jun 22 19:16:46 <oil> haha
Jun 22 19:16:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and then get cheap apps
Jun 22 19:16:54 <oil> half price with palm covering the other half was aewsome indeed
Jun 22 19:18:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I bought SO much during that last year
Jun 22 19:18:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> probably 40-50 bucks worth
Jun 22 19:18:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> all the big GameLoft titles
Jun 22 19:19:14 <NuttyBunny> Yeah, me 2, and they wouldn't let Mexico to buy stuff... I wasn't the only one wanting to buy :D
Jun 22 19:19:23 <RagingMind> unless you include ndrive there's not $40 worth of apps in the catalog that I'd install even if they were given to me for free
Jun 22 19:19:44 <NuttyBunny> only games?
Jun 22 19:20:13 <RagingMind> I've tried a few games... I don't like gaming on a pre/phone/small device
Jun 22 19:20:43 <NuttyBunny> There a few suitable for touch screens on a small display
Jun 22 19:21:53 <RagingMind> I never liked playing on gameboy either, friends had it and my response was always "meh"
Jun 22 19:22:40 * oil isn't a fan of on screen controls trying to be real buttons
Jun 22 19:22:41 <Epyon22> i think gameboy on the pre is ezier than those with the joysicks
Jun 22 19:23:05 <oil> when i play with a controller in my hand my thumb doesn't hover above the buttons coming down to press them
Jun 22 19:23:15 <oil> it lays on the button
Jun 22 19:23:33 <oil> adora needs to /nick AdoraRox again :)
Jun 22 19:24:00 <Epyon22> did the bluetooth stack ever get anywherr
Jun 22 19:24:07 <oil> idk
Jun 22 19:24:14 <oil> in the 2.x bt app there is a gamepad icon
Jun 22 19:24:22 <oil> but i dont have a bluetooth gamepad to try and pair
Jun 22 19:24:53 <Epyon22> ps3 contoller would be awesoem
Jun 22 19:25:44 <Epyon22> hmm wiimote should be real ez then cause it just pairs with a simple 0000 pin number
Jun 22 19:26:47 <oil> lol
Jun 22 19:26:58 <oil> the only bluetooth device i own that doesnt pair with 0000 is my keyboard
Jun 22 19:27:19 <oil> headsets, mice, all 0000
Jun 22 19:27:26 <Epyon22> ps3 controllers you have to put the mac address of the bt reciver on the controller
Jun 22 19:31:05 <oil> huh
Jun 22 19:31:24 <oil> maybe ill go over to a friends house who has a ps3 and try to pair it with my phone
Jun 22 19:31:45 <Epyon22> they wont pair at all with the computer or device unless you put the mac address on the controller.
Jun 22 19:32:08 <Epyon22> they have cli apps in linux that will do it simply
Jun 22 19:32:49 <oil> oh
Jun 22 19:32:57 <oil> maybe ill just get a non-ps3 bt controller then haha
Jun 22 19:34:09 <Epyon22> might be easier. im gonna try when i get a phone that has 2.1
Jun 22 19:35:46 <Epyon22> http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html
Jun 22 19:36:14 <Epyon22> if you scroll down to sixpair.c explains it a little better
Jun 22 20:01:12 <zamo1> Anyone know how many apps the pad with launch with
Jun 22 20:05:15 <singmajesty> Apps on the device, or apps in the catalog?
Jun 22 20:14:25 <dcousineau> over 9000
Jun 22 20:14:31 <oil> heh
Jun 22 20:14:32 <halfhalo> trillion
Jun 22 20:14:36 <dcousineau> (not intended to be a factual statement)
Jun 22 20:17:00 <singmajesty> Practically every application that already exists for webOS will be available
Jun 22 20:17:13 <singmajesty> However, it is difficult to know how many will be optimized fully for the TouchPad
Jun 22 20:17:26 <singmajesty> I am seeing more every day, so its too soon to know how many we'll have at launch
Jun 22 20:17:59 <singmajesty> ...definitely have support from big name companies as well as independent developers
Jun 22 20:18:33 <singmajesty> (Seen many new big names that haven't done a webOS app before)
Jun 22 20:18:33 * oil takes it singmajesty works for hp/palm?
Jun 22 20:19:00 * singmajesty works in developer relations
Jun 22 20:19:02 <uncola> damn amazons delivery estimate is sooo late
Jun 22 20:19:07 <uncola> july 12-18 for free shipping
Jun 22 20:19:16 <uncola> july 5 for overnight
Jun 22 20:19:19 <oil> nice
Jun 22 20:20:04 <loic_m> hi ! (testing wIRC)
Jun 22 20:20:05 <singmajesty> At the webOS workshop a couple weeks ago, we were talking about the reasons why wIRC wasn't in the App Catalog yet
Jun 22 20:20:13 <oil> haha
Jun 22 20:20:17 <loic_m> :)
Jun 22 20:20:35 <oil> talking to tom and whoever else was there frmo wi?
Jun 22 20:20:48 <oil> loic_m: <3 :)
Jun 22 20:20:53 <singmajesty> That's why I wanted to know if it had required a manual push, or if you guys switched to palm-package instead of ipkg, or took care of the line endings yourself, or ...?
Jun 22 20:21:02 <singmajesty> Tom and Jauder were there
Jun 22 20:21:09 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 22 20:21:16 <oil> ah
Jun 22 20:21:21 <loic_m> and really impressed by the quality
Jun 22 20:21:38 <oil> i just changed my git settings so the line endings would be fixed whenever i push
Jun 22 20:21:43 <singmajesty> Oh, cool
Jun 22 20:21:50 <singmajesty> Is that a Windows vs. Unix thing?
Jun 22 20:21:53 <oil> we're building and packaging the catalog version with our autobuilder
Jun 22 20:22:14 <oil> well, im probably the only wi member who runs windows on his main pc haha
Jun 22 20:22:35 <singmajesty> Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. palm-package probably handles line endings when it runs
Jun 22 20:22:43 <oil> probably
Jun 22 20:23:07 <singmajesty> I wanted to make sure that any reasons why wIRC didn't make it to the App Catalog were valid, and not silly
Jun 22 20:23:14 <singmajesty> You know, so we can improve or adjust the process
Jun 22 20:23:16 <Tibfib_> oil: I had to do that with git
Jun 22 20:23:20 <Tibfib_> we were having issues with spaz hd
Jun 22 20:23:28 <oil> most were just because we were in homebrew without any restrictions for so long
Jun 22 20:23:39 <oil> things like striping the binary
Jun 22 20:23:45 <oil> removing our control scripts
Jun 22 20:23:53 <oil> were needed
Jun 22 20:24:07 <oil> but i didnt know any of that before trying to submit
Jun 22 20:24:30 <singmajesty> That makes sense
Jun 22 20:24:39 <uncola> is wirc able to run in the background?  or does it get paused when you switch apps?
Jun 22 20:24:51 <oil> it runs in the background
Jun 22 20:24:57 <oil> well, in card view
Jun 22 20:24:58 <uncola> is that why it's homebrew only?
Jun 22 20:25:01 <oil> if you toss the main card the app dies
Jun 22 20:25:03 <Tibfib_> http://www.precentral.net/ jason doesn't look anything like I imagined
Jun 22 20:25:05 <singmajesty> I'm specifically in developer relations for the PDK, so I'm keenly interested in the experience you guys have had in webosinternals to help improve our tools and workflow
Jun 22 20:25:37 <oil> it was homebrew originally because there was no PDK and we were a homebrew service
Jun 22 20:25:47 <oil> then the pdk was released and we decided to go plugin hybrid
Jun 22 20:25:58 <oil> but then they werent accepted into the catalog for like a year after the pdk came out
Jun 22 20:26:04 <singmajesty> Obviously a lot of effort and attention goes into the web stack: Mojo, Enyo, etc, but I want to integrate as many of the positive things we should have available in the core platform that might only be in homebrew right now
Jun 22 20:26:06 <oil> because of the hybrid install problem on 145
Jun 22 20:26:18 <singmajesty> Yeah. That's what kept me from using hybrid in my applications
Jun 22 20:26:30 <oil> but we had the homebrew outlet so it wasnt really a big concern
Jun 22 20:26:45 <singmajesty> I used Windows for a long time, but had been using Linux full-time when I started with Palm
Jun 22 20:26:46 <oil> personally i think hybrids are awesome
Jun 22 20:27:08 <singmajesty> I needed VirtualBox 4 support because VirtualBox 3 wasn't built for the newer kernels anymore
Jun 22 20:27:14 <oil> lol
Jun 22 20:27:15 <singmajesty> ...and the lack of a Linux PDK was a big pain :)
Jun 22 20:27:18 <oil> i think im still running 3
Jun 22 20:27:37 <singmajesty> So in early access, the emulator supports VirtualBox 4 now, and internally we have Linux SDK builds that include the PDK now
Jun 22 20:27:48 <singmajesty> I'm hoping that will make it to public release, soon
Jun 22 20:28:00 <oil> people will like that
Jun 22 20:28:13 <singmajesty> ...but the development tools, for example, like novaterm, pdk-device-install, gdb ...
Jun 22 20:28:17 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 22 20:28:32 <singmajesty> If there are other things we should install in addition to ssh and gdb to make it easy to debug and develop on the device, I'd like to know
Jun 22 20:28:53 <singmajesty> Even if it isn't a part of the SDK, I'd love to include it in my talks on the PDK
Jun 22 20:29:03 <oil> well, im not the guy to talk to about that, i just write the js
Jun 22 20:29:04 <halfhalo> lets hope the 3.0 sdk public release wasn't like the pre2's, where the novacom bits were still under nda in february
Jun 22 20:29:07 <singmajesty> ...and "here's how you get started" type of stuff
Jun 22 20:29:23 <oil> yeah
Jun 22 20:29:33 <singmajesty> It's already in release candidate on early access, so I think we'll see a public release near the launch of the TouchPad
Jun 22 20:29:45 <oil> good news
Jun 22 20:29:47 <singmajesty> We all want Enyo to come out of NDA, and launching the SDK is what will do that
Jun 22 20:30:04 * halfhalo hopes for sdk release _before_ the 1st
Jun 22 20:30:09 <Tibfib_> and we all want to know enyo's license
Jun 22 20:30:26 * oil hopes they decide on a license that lets us use enyo not just on the tp
Jun 22 20:30:30 <Tibfib_> YES
Jun 22 20:30:31 <Tibfib_> that
Jun 22 20:30:31 <oil> yeah haha
Jun 22 20:30:38 <singmajesty> So if you guys experience ways that it seems like the platform should be a bit more straightforward, or have tools that other people might not use, I'd love to know
Jun 22 20:30:46 <Tibfib> Spaz HD would be on every major platform
Jun 22 20:30:58 <singmajesty> We also should have that southern-hemisphere GPS bug resolved in an upcoming TouchPad update
Jun 22 20:31:04 <Tibfib> nice
Jun 22 20:31:18 <oil> rwhitby will like that
Jun 22 20:31:19 <oil> haha
Jun 22 20:31:22 <Tibfib> hehe
Jun 22 20:31:28 <oil> anything to shut up the aussie on twitter :)
Jun 22 20:31:32 <halfhalo> silly people on the wrong side of the world
Jun 22 20:31:32 <Tibfib> he is one of the 8 southern-hemisphere users
Jun 22 20:31:35 <singmajesty> Some of the people who have the most influence over the direction of the platform are really big proponents for having an open platform and sharing Enyo cross-platform
Jun 22 20:31:45 <Tibfib> singmajesty: awesome
Jun 22 20:31:51 <oil> yeah, good news
Jun 22 20:31:56 <singmajesty> There are just some obvious hoops that need to be gone through before actually being able to license Enyo cross-platform
Jun 22 20:31:56 <Tibfib> MAYBEW
Jun 22 20:32:03 <oil> http://www.precentral.net/developer-spotlight-jason-robitaille
Jun 22 20:32:04 <singmajesty> ...but we are working on that process internally
Jun 22 20:32:12 <oil> not what i imagined jason looked like
Jun 22 20:32:16 <Tibfib> enyo is cross-platform, but if you make an enyo app, you have to submit it to the webOS catalog
Jun 22 20:32:19 <singmajesty> I also hope that our developer message will be more like this:
Jun 22 20:32:21 <Tibfib> oil: that's what I just said
Jun 22 20:32:40 <singmajesty> "You can develop using the web stack. No framework, jQuery Mobile, PhoneGap, Sencha Touch, Mojo, Enyo... you pick"
Jun 22 20:32:51 <singmajesty> Rather than making it seem as if you always have to use Mojo or Enyo
Jun 22 20:32:59 <Tibfib> shmeh, I don't care as much about that :)
Jun 22 20:33:17 <Tibfib> seriously, the best license I see for enyo is: "enyo is cross-platform, but if you make an enyo app, you have to submit it to the webOS catalog"
Jun 22 20:33:22 <singmajesty> I think that will make it more clear that HTML, Javascript and CSS are native to webOS, not just proprietary frameworks
Jun 22 20:33:32 <oil> yeah
Jun 22 20:33:33 <Tibfib> or if you are going to submit to another platform, it has to be submitted to the webOS catalog as well
Jun 22 20:33:43 <singmajesty> I was thinking about that idea as well
Jun 22 20:33:48 <dcousineau> hell you don't really need to clarify that almost
Jun 22 20:33:56 <dcousineau> if i've invested in enyo, i'd be stupid not to just toss it in anyways
Jun 22 20:34:07 <dcousineau> cause if i'm investing in enyo, i'm investing in multiplatform anyways
Jun 22 20:34:12 <singmajesty> Right
Jun 22 20:34:14 <Tibfib> true
Jun 22 20:34:19 <Tibfib> just good to have in case
Jun 22 20:34:22 <singmajesty> Well, that's one of the thoughts I had when working with haXe
Jun 22 20:34:26 <singmajesty> Do I ...
Jun 22 20:34:38 <singmajesty> A.) Say, "Hey, here's something cool you can do for webOS"
Jun 22 20:34:50 <singmajesty> B.) Say, "Here's something cool for webOS, and yes, it runs on other platforms"
Jun 22 20:35:08 <singmajesty> C.) Say, "Here's something cool that works out of the box for webOS, iOS and Android. Here's how to do all three"
Jun 22 20:35:19 <Tibfib> ask your boss
Jun 22 20:35:20 <singmajesty> If I go with the third, in a sense, it seems like I'm supporting other platforms more...
Jun 22 20:35:23 <dcousineau> meh, might feel restrictive. one just says "you are free to use enyo for commercial and non commercial products as long as you <whatever restrictions you'll have on forking and redistributing enyo fmwrk"
Jun 22 20:35:40 <rsanchez1> hey guys
Jun 22 20:35:51 <oil> oh, another wircer@ :)
Jun 22 20:35:55 <halfhalo> run!
Jun 22 20:35:56 <Tibfib> dcousineau: that's true, people might want to just make a desktop app
Jun 22 20:35:58 <Tibfib> or something..
Jun 22 20:36:03 <Tibfib> poor fellow
Jun 22 20:36:12 <singmajesty> ...but in reality, the third approach draws more interest. If someone isn't interested in webOS, they'll skip over the first, probably second approach. If I go with the third, maybe they only care about other platforms, but the fact that they can sell on an established platform still looms there in mind
Jun 22 20:36:21 <rsanchez1> the wIRC app in the catalog, is it a hybrid like the homebrew one?
Jun 22 20:36:22 * halfhalo votes hp buys appcelerator and ties enyo into that
Jun 22 20:36:26 <dcousineau> HP just has to accept they're coming in on the ass end of hte market
Jun 22 20:36:32 <dcousineau> and the best thing they can do is convert masses of devs
Jun 22 20:36:32 <Tibfib> yeah or titanium
Jun 22 20:36:36 <dcousineau> and ride the wave
Jun 22 20:36:38 <singmajesty> oof
Jun 22 20:36:40 <dcousineau> via cross platform
Jun 22 20:36:47 <singmajesty> I had horrible experiences with Titanium
Jun 22 20:36:51 <singmajesty> Maybe I'm the only one?
Jun 22 20:36:59 * Tibfib hasn't actually used either
Jun 22 20:37:00 <dcousineau> singmajesty: when tyou compare it to AIR
Jun 22 20:37:01 <singmajesty> The thing took 70+ seconds to compile
Jun 22 20:37:10 <dcousineau> singmajesty: it starts to look glorious
Jun 22 20:37:19 <singmajesty> I was compiling haXe in 5 seconds
Jun 22 20:37:41 <Tibfib> not everything can be as fast as haXe
Jun 22 20:37:46 <singmajesty> No, not everything
Jun 22 20:37:47 <Tibfib> which I don't even understand by the way
Jun 22 20:37:53 <Tibfib> maybe I should read the forum post
Jun 22 20:37:53 <oil> heh
Jun 22 20:38:11 <singmajesty> haXe is an ECMA-script language, like Actionscript, Javascript, Java, etc
Jun 22 20:38:15 <rsanchez1> if it's a hybrid, that would make it a 2.1 app, but it's showing up on my Sprint Pre 2, and it's not supposed to like every other 2.1 app
Jun 22 20:38:23 <singmajesty> You can compile it to different languages, like Actionscript, Javascript, PHP, C++
Jun 22 20:38:27 <dcousineau> haxe is jut a haxe langauge  -> compile -> php/javascript/c++ right?
Jun 22 20:38:33 <dcousineau> not really in teh same turf as titanium
Jun 22 20:38:37 <oil> rsanchez1: yeah, its a hybrid
Jun 22 20:38:49 <singmajesty> So using the NME library, you can write a game using the same API as Flash, and it compiles to Windows, Mac, Linux, webOS, iOS, Android
Jun 22 20:39:04 <singmajesty> ...or you can do Canvas stuff with the jeash library, also mirroring Flash's API
Jun 22 20:39:08 <singmajesty> Or do your own thing
Jun 22 20:39:16 <singmajesty> My next Enyo app is written in haXe
Jun 22 20:39:19 <rsanchez1> oil: did you guys pull some strings for it to show up for metadoctored devices?
Jun 22 20:39:26 <oil> no
Jun 22 20:39:28 <singmajesty> So I have classes, code completion, compile time error checking, etc.
Jun 22 20:39:35 <oil> i just selected 2.1 as min version like i was told
Jun 22 20:39:37 <singmajesty> ...but it is generating Javascript for Enyo
Jun 22 20:39:54 <rsanchez1> hmm, then I guess your app is the only 2.1 app showing up for me in the catalog
Jun 22 20:39:59 <singmajesty> Pretty cool to type "new enyo." and have it list all the kinds
Jun 22 20:40:39 * oil wants that for eclipse
Jun 22 20:40:59 <singmajesty> FlashDevelop works great
Jun 22 20:41:02 * Popple3 wants that for Espresso
Jun 22 20:41:13 * Popple3 does not want Eclipse at all :P
Jun 22 20:41:15 <singmajesty> I also have completion in gedit, but not as good as FlashDevelop
Jun 22 20:41:19 <Tibfib> singmajesty: interesting
Jun 22 20:41:35 <singmajesty> So I already have externs all ready for Enyo, I just haven't posted because its still under NDA
Jun 22 20:41:39 <Tibfib> If I knew flash that'd be pretty awesome
Jun 22 20:42:02 <singmajesty> I also need to do some testing with the way Enyo handles events, this.$ syntax, etc.
Jun 22 20:42:14 <singmajesty> Well, the cool thing about the Enyo+haXe project is it doesn't use Flash's API
Jun 22 20:42:25 <singmajesty> So it's practically the same as javascript
Jun 22 20:42:36 <oil> nice
Jun 22 20:42:38 <singmajesty> ...but if you want to, you can do classes, public private, etc.
Jun 22 20:42:50 <ianbeck> Popple3: I've been planning to add Enyo CodeSense to the WebOS.sugar for Espresso; just haven't had time yet
Jun 22 20:43:00 <singmajesty> So if you like the extra structure, cool, otherwise you don't need to
Jun 22 20:43:58 <Popple3> ianbeck: Awesome, I should look into it and have a go myself.
Jun 22 20:44:25 <ianbeck> Popple3: It's pretty easy; just XML
Jun 22 20:44:44 <Popple3> ianbeck: I figured it'd be something like that
Jun 22 20:46:23 <singmajesty> When Enyo comes out of NDA I'll post something on github and let you guys know
Jun 22 20:46:50 <singmajesty> ...and yeah, maybe the definitions I have for haXe will help if someone wants to create syntax files for an editor that supports it for straight Javascript
Jun 22 20:48:00 <singmajesty> But seriously, I want to hear if there are examples, libraries, project templates, or anything you think would make development better or more straightforward
Jun 22 20:48:07 <singmajesty> You can email me at joshua.granick@palm.com
Jun 22 20:48:17 <oil> ssl whitelisted!
Jun 22 20:48:23 <singmajesty> curl, too
Jun 22 20:48:26 <Tibfib> SPA SPA SPA SPAAAMMM
Jun 22 20:49:30 <oil> heh
Jun 22 20:49:31 <singmajesty> I believe cURL and OpenSSL were added to the whitelist in the last couple weeks
Jun 22 20:49:42 <oil> nice
Jun 22 20:49:45 <singmajesty> (Yeah, I hope a spambot doesn't pick that up from the log files ;)
Jun 22 20:50:01 <oil> then we can bring ssl back to the catalog wirc without having to deal with hte government
Jun 22 20:50:39 <Epyon22> does any one know how to turn off aptana's black background in html and css files?
Jun 22 20:50:46 <oil> "why yes, my email is joshua.granick@, and I would like to receive promotional newsletters, and feel free to share my address with others" :)
Jun 22 20:52:33 <singmajesty> Right. Having to get security clearance seems like a big pain
Jun 22 20:52:39 <singmajesty> ...if it can be avoided
Jun 22 20:53:00 <oil> which is why we just stripped it in the catalog version
Jun 22 20:53:03 <oil> haha
Jun 22 20:53:08 <singmajesty> Yeah
Jun 22 20:53:30 <singmajesty> I'm really happy you guys were able to get it approved
Jun 22 20:53:38 <oil> me too
Jun 22 20:53:48 <singmajesty> I'm excited to see what an Enyo version might look like
Jun 22 20:53:57 <singmajesty> wIRC, TouchStone, bluetooth keyboard ...
Jun 22 20:54:07 <oil> yeah
Jun 22 20:54:09 <singmajesty> It would be fun to have IRC open on a separate screen
Jun 22 20:54:11 <rsanchez1> was that what delayed the release of wIRC, ssl?
Jun 22 20:54:14 <oil> probably wont spawn new cards by default
Jun 22 20:54:24 <singmajesty> Yeah, maybe new panes
Jun 22 20:54:36 <singmajesty> Or tabs?
Jun 22 20:54:46 <singmajesty> Tabs would be better, I guess
Jun 22 20:54:51 <Tibfib> yessss
Jun 22 20:54:53 <Tibfib> pleaseeeee
Jun 22 20:54:56 <oil> probably a bunch of options
Jun 22 20:54:58 <singmajesty> The user list and the conversation could be separate panes
Jun 22 20:55:05 <oil> i mean, look at the list of options in the mojo wirc
Jun 22 20:55:09 <Tibfib> and have the titles change colors based on new messages/new flagged messages
Jun 22 20:55:13 <oil> we couldnt agree on anything so everything became an option haha
Jun 22 20:55:26 <singmajesty> I think it might make sense to start simple, get something working
Jun 22 20:55:31 <singmajesty> Then you can build up from there
Jun 22 20:55:35 <oil> yeah
Jun 22 20:55:41 <Tibfib> oil: FORK FORK FORK
Jun 22 20:55:54 <singmajesty> I like Spaz HD, except I wish it didn't have the toolbar
Jun 22 20:55:57 * Tibfib has been on a caps streak
Jun 22 20:56:01 <Tibfib> singmajesty: oh?
Jun 22 20:56:05 <Tibfib> what would you like instead?
Jun 22 20:56:09 <singmajesty> Well, I love simplicity, I guess
Jun 22 20:56:13 <singmajesty> Let me think for a second
Jun 22 20:56:16 <Tibfib> how are you going to tweet?
Jun 22 20:56:39 <singmajesty> Off the top of my head...
Jun 22 20:56:54 <oil> rsanchez1: no
Jun 22 20:56:56 <singmajesty> Maybe I would do tweets, mentions and direct messages as sliding panes, so it would be easy to focus one or hide the others
Jun 22 20:56:59 <Tibfib> singmajesty: I'm the main ui guy for spaz hd, so I'd love to hear your thoughts
Jun 22 20:57:05 <singmajesty> Then I would make the header a bit taller...
Jun 22 20:57:15 <singmajesty> Almost like the Facebook app for Mojo, but not quite
Jun 22 20:57:16 <Tibfib> we are keeping the column model
Jun 22 20:57:17 <oil> once we noticed we would need to get government approval it only too a week or so for me to get puffy to strip it in the catalog version
Jun 22 20:57:33 <singmajesty> ...but have some method of hitting a new tweet button there, and having it expand to reveal a text entry
Jun 22 20:57:40 <singmajesty> Above the other tweets
Jun 22 20:57:56 <Tibfib> we thought about a horizontal toolbar but nixed it
Jun 22 20:58:02 <singmajesty> So you have one row up top, then a row with three columns below
Jun 22 20:58:20 <singmajesty> ...but every application is different, and they don't need to be the same
Jun 22 20:58:22 <Tibfib> there is already a top row with the touchpad stuff
Jun 22 20:59:06 <singmajesty> Or maybe I would do it a little bit like an IRC client
Jun 22 20:59:12 <singmajesty> Have text entry at the bottom
Jun 22 20:59:34 <Tibfib> we are probably going to keep the popups
Jun 22 20:59:41 <singmajesty> Just ideas. I'm not trying to tell you how to make your app, or to say that you've taken a bad approach
Jun 22 21:00:02 <Tibfib> oh I know. I appreciate the feedback
Jun 22 21:00:08 <Tibfib> having the toolbar on the bottom I like better
Jun 22 21:00:13 <Tibfib> than at top
Jun 22 21:00:18 <Tibfib> dunno if I like it better than side :)
Jun 22 21:00:34 <singmajesty> If you use sliding panes, you can also put buttons on the pane's toolbar
Jun 22 21:00:49 <singmajesty> So you might integrate a message button in one of the panes, like the main feed
Jun 22 21:01:01 <singmajesty> That's sort of how the email application works
Jun 22 21:01:26 <dcousineau> we use sliding panes only for the detail slide out
Jun 22 21:01:29 <Tibfib> singmajesty: the columns are all seperate and delete-able
Jun 22 21:01:30 <dcousineau> because toasters won't push content over
Jun 22 21:01:35 <haeffb> ianbeck: thanks for the input on forums
Jun 22 21:01:47 <dcousineau> hacked those too
Jun 22 21:01:51 <singmajesty> I found myself wanting to use the app in portrait
Jun 22 21:02:02 <dcousineau> to prevent you from sliding the rightmost pain
Jun 22 21:02:12 <dcousineau> *pane
Jun 22 21:02:13 <dcousineau> dammit
Jun 22 21:02:14 <singmajesty> ...but since the columns wouldn't size or collapse, it made me feel like I had to use it in landscape
Jun 22 21:02:18 <dcousineau> had the hardest time refactoring
Jun 22 21:02:18 <haeffb> rwatkins: ping
Jun 22 21:02:20 <dcousineau> kept typing pain
Jun 22 21:02:27 <Tibfib> singmajesty: well once we get touchpads we can change stuff
Jun 22 21:02:42 <Tibfib> dcousineau: I hate when that happens
Jun 22 21:02:46 <singmajesty> Yeah. Once I had one to use it really affected my perception of my own applications
Jun 22 21:02:56 <Tibfib> singmajesty: it's hard to judge what works best when using chrome :)
Jun 22 21:03:11 <singmajesty> For example, I thought Mojo would work
Jun 22 21:03:16 <singmajesty> No... :)
Jun 22 21:03:17 <dcousineau> ;)
Jun 22 21:03:22 <dcousineau> yah waiting on devices
Jun 22 21:03:26 <singmajesty> The email application is my favorite
Jun 22 21:03:27 <dcousineau> and or a device coupon program
Jun 22 21:03:47 <dcousineau> and or word on when the device coupon program will be announced
Jun 22 21:04:25 <ianbeck> haeffb: an opportunity to write overly long, opinionated posts? Sign me up :-)
Jun 22 21:04:28 <haeffb> Tibfib: why is it hard in chrome
Jun 22 21:04:31 <haeffb> ?
Jun 22 21:04:47 <dcousineau> seeing and touching are 2 differen things
Jun 22 21:04:52 <singmajesty> Sliding panes, for example
Jun 22 21:04:53 <Tibfib> haeffb: a touch experience is much different than a mouse
Jun 22 21:05:00 <singmajesty> Or flicks
Jun 22 21:05:03 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 22 21:05:15 <singmajesty> Can feel uncomfortable when using a mouse, but natural on a device using your fingers
Jun 22 21:05:24 <dcousineau> having used the device i really wanted to push the sliding panes in
Jun 22 21:05:30 <dcousineau> flicking the deatil view off screen feel smore natural
Jun 22 21:05:56 <Tibfib> dcousineau: Oh wow, I didn't even realize we supported that now
Jun 22 21:06:24 <dcousineau> yeah
Jun 22 21:06:28 <Tibfib> that's awesome
Jun 22 21:06:30 <dcousineau> i didn't put grippies on the toolbar
Jun 22 21:06:32 <Tibfib> and much better for touch
Jun 22 21:06:32 <dcousineau> but yeah
Jun 22 21:06:35 <dcousineau> mhmm
Jun 22 21:06:44 <dcousineau> left the x in for backwards compat
Jun 22 21:06:55 <Tibfib> yeah, I think we should keep it
Jun 22 21:07:02 <Tibfib> it might not be obvious for some users
Jun 22 21:07:15 <dcousineau> exactly
Jun 22 21:07:22 <dcousineau> until we throw grippies in, but even then
Jun 22 21:07:23 <dcousineau> *shrug*
Jun 22 21:07:34 <oil> you're both working on spazhd?
Jun 22 21:07:41 <Tibfib> dcousineau just pretends
Jun 22 21:07:45 <oil> lol
Jun 22 21:08:00 <oil> oh, there is a new build in there
Jun 22 21:08:06 * oil downloads
Jun 22 21:08:24 <dcousineau> Tibfib: HAR
Jun 22 21:08:34 <Tibfib> I kid I kid
Jun 22 21:08:43 <Tibfib> dcousineau is a classy spaz hd contributor
Jun 22 21:08:52 <dcousineau> contributor works :P
Jun 22 21:08:59 <Tibfib> we are all contributors :)
Jun 22 21:08:59 <dcousineau> dear god dude though your commit logs
Jun 22 21:09:01 <dcousineau> ridiculous
Jun 22 21:09:07 <Tibfib> mine?
Jun 22 21:09:08 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 22 21:10:26 <Tibfib> I guess I'll never know
Jun 22 21:12:27 <oil> ridiculous eh?
Jun 22 21:12:46 <Tibfib> half the time I forgot exactly what I did so I just say something like "Make sure this works right"
Jun 22 21:12:56 <oil> lol
Jun 22 21:13:05 <Tibfib> "Fixed this bug"
Jun 22 21:14:22 <b0bben> well, that's enough enyo for a night…GN all
Jun 22 21:15:53 <Tibfib> well I would have said goodnight
Jun 22 21:16:00 <Flashpass> haha
Jun 22 21:16:07 <Tibfib> but he wasn't very nice
Jun 22 21:16:15 <oil> NOT FAST ENOUGH
Jun 22 21:16:27 <Flashpass> yeah GN FAIL
Jun 22 21:17:10 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib: "Make sure this works right" sounds like HP/Palm ;)
Jun 22 21:17:13 <Flashpass> oil: btw congrats on wirc!
Jun 22 21:17:19 <oil> thanks :)
Jun 22 21:17:28 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: ouch!
Jun 22 21:17:34 <Tibfib> to @palm
Jun 22 21:17:48 <oil> ive pushed stuff with "test this before releasing" comments
Jun 22 21:19:17 <Tibfib> "ummm, improved stuff"
Jun 22 21:20:07 <Flashpass> oil: where can one get the "emergency fstab fixer", and is it necessary for everyone?
Jun 22 21:20:36 <oil> thats only necessary if you OTA upgraded to 145
Jun 22 21:20:48 <oil> but the catalog version is 2.1+ only
Jun 22 21:21:17 <Flashpass> ah ok, I did the sprint pre 2 thing so I should be ok
Jun 22 21:21:59 <Tibfib> I want a webOS update on my phoneee
Jun 22 21:22:09 <Tibfib> it makes things exciting again
Jun 22 21:22:24 <Tibfib> it almost takes the fun out of being a user being in early access
Jun 22 21:22:40 <oil> haha
Jun 22 21:24:33 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib: You could install the REDACTED libs on it and toy around ;)
Jun 22 21:25:03 <Tibfib> heh, I coulddd
Jun 22 21:38:03 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: I can see wIRC in the catalog..
Jun 22 21:38:46 <tyranir> any tips on implementing a splash screen?
Jun 22 21:39:13 <Tibfib> tyranir: need more details
Jun 22 21:39:16 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, ya
Jun 22 21:39:19 <Tibfib> mojo, enyo
Jun 22 21:39:19 <PuffTheMagic> its in there now
Jun 22 21:39:24 <PuffTheMagic> mojo
Jun 22 21:39:36 <Tibfib> talking to tyranir for that one
Jun 22 21:39:56 <tyranir> Tibfib: throw up an image for a second then transition to an app screen on enyo
Jun 22 21:40:05 <Tibfib> tyranir: see the forums
Jun 22 21:40:10 <Tibfib> we can't talk here
Jun 22 21:40:11 <tyranir> k thx
Jun 22 21:40:56 <tyranir> the search doesn't seem to pick up the private forum posts
Jun 22 21:42:26 <Tibfib> you have to pick it
Jun 22 21:42:31 <Tibfib> go to /search.php
Jun 22 21:42:33 <Tibfib> and use that
Jun 22 21:42:45 <sugardave> Google Analytics, I am closing in on you
Jun 22 21:42:49 <singmajesty> Hey, I just saw this:
Jun 22 21:42:49 <singmajesty> http://www.precentral.net/screenshots-touchpad-s-wirc-client-approved
Jun 22 21:42:51 <singmajesty> I want it
Jun 22 21:43:03 <singmajesty> Where do I get the Enyo version of wIRC? :)
Jun 22 21:43:06 <sugardave> just won't do _trackPageview for some reason
Jun 22 21:43:19 <tyranir> Tibfib: thx
Jun 22 21:43:38 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, you cant
Jun 22 21:44:02 <PuffTheMagic> that would be a breach of the NDA
Jun 22 21:44:23 <Tibfib> he works at palm
Jun 22 21:44:46 <Tibfib> and it's not a breach of NDA, if the tester is under nda too
Jun 22 21:44:46 <singmajesty> You can share/discuss Enyo with people who are under NDA as well
Jun 22 21:45:05 <haeffb> tyranir, Tibfib use the search box at the bottom of a forum to limit to that specific forum.
Jun 22 21:45:15 <singmajesty> I haven't posted my Enyo+haXe thing because I want to use github, and I'm too lazy to use a different form of distribution before then :)
Jun 22 21:45:27 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, i can confirm you have signed the NDA
Jun 22 21:45:35 <PuffTheMagic> s'can'cant
Jun 22 21:45:43 <singmajesty> I can send you an email from palm.com
Jun 22 21:45:45 <singmajesty> Or hp.com
Jun 22 21:45:49 <singmajesty> Your choice :)
Jun 22 21:46:08 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 22 21:46:17 <Tibfib> hm.
Jun 22 21:46:33 <singmajesty> ...or I suppose I can wait
Jun 22 21:46:33 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, when I submit a version to show us your enyo/tp app I will CC you in on a build of it
Jun 22 21:46:43 <PuffTheMagic> if u email me first
Jun 22 21:47:12 <PuffTheMagic> which might be tonight
Jun 22 21:47:25 <singmajesty> Okay. Just let me know where to send the email, and what to send
Jun 22 21:47:29 <Flashpass> is the "show us your app" promotion still going on?
Jun 22 21:47:32 <PuffTheMagic> rmh3093@gmail.com
Jun 22 21:48:12 <singmajesty> Yeah, I believe it is. If you have a quality application ready for the launch of the TouchPad, you are eligible to win a free TouchPad when it is released
Jun 22 21:48:31 <sugardave> PuffTheMagic: oh me me me
Jun 22 21:48:34 <Flashpass> Even if your app has been submitted and approved?
Jun 22 21:48:34 <haeffb> define "quality"
Jun 22 21:48:57 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, sugardave the demo version just connects to #wirc atm
Jun 22 21:48:58 <haeffb> "doesn't make the touchpad melt into a pile of goo"
Jun 22 21:49:00 <PuffTheMagic> and allows you to chat
Jun 22 21:49:02 <PuffTheMagic> its nothing fancy
Jun 22 21:49:13 <sugardave> that's cool, I want to watch it evolve
Jun 22 21:49:23 <singmajesty> Email sent
Jun 22 21:49:32 <singmajesty> Ah.
Jun 22 21:49:39 <singmajesty> Couldn't it connect to #webos?
Jun 22 21:49:48 <PuffTheMagic> it could do that instead
Jun 22 21:49:52 <sugardave> email sent
Jun 22 21:49:54 <singmajesty> That would be awesome
Jun 22 21:49:57 <PuffTheMagic> point is, its just 1 channel
Jun 22 21:50:03 <singmajesty> That's okay
Jun 22 21:50:28 <singmajesty> I just want to chat on #webos using a TouchPad. Sounds like a win to me
Jun 22 21:50:35 <Tibfib> wIRC !
Jun 22 21:50:38 <PuffTheMagic> trying to explore which widgets are good for different uses
Jun 22 21:50:52 <PuffTheMagic> sugardave, i will cc you too
Jun 22 21:51:04 <sugardave> thanks!
Jun 22 21:51:13 <thehodge> evening all
Jun 22 21:51:20 <singmajesty> haeffb: If you submit "Darth Vader Breathing HD," I have a pretty strong suspicion that you will *not* be considered for a free TouchPad
Jun 22 21:51:31 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jun 22 21:51:33 <oil_pre> heh
Jun 22 21:51:34 <Tibfib> DANGIT
Jun 22 21:51:38 <sugardave> ARG!
Jun 22 21:51:42 <singmajesty> Yeah, sorry to rain on your parade
Jun 22 21:51:47 <PuffTheMagic> would a 4chan app qualify?
Jun 22 21:51:58 <PuffTheMagic> i've been wanting to make one of them for some time now
Jun 22 21:51:59 <singmajesty> Is that the super toaster flying cat?
Jun 22 21:52:06 <PuffTheMagic> need a big screen to really enjoy /b
Jun 22 21:52:08 <Tibfib> what if we made a Rebecca Black Soundboard HD app?
Jun 22 21:52:08 <singmajesty> No wait, that's Nyan, I think
Jun 22 21:52:27 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, its a flying poptart cat
Jun 22 21:52:33 <PuffTheMagic> Nyan cat that is
Jun 22 21:52:40 <LoneStar99> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/22/hacker-ceo-presentation-porn/
Jun 22 21:52:51 <Tibfib> that looks like a sfw link
Jun 22 21:55:20 <singmajesty> If you make a Rebecca Black Soundboard app, it better be good
Jun 22 21:55:30 <Tibfib> oh
Jun 22 21:55:39 <thehodge> so I'm tryin to think of apps that you could do on the tablet, that you couldn't do on an iPad, I was going to do something with sharing because I really like the  connected devices thing but I've heard that the devices need ot be on the same webos account? is that right
Jun 22 21:56:29 <singmajesty> The Touch-to-Share API isn't available to developers, yet
Jun 22 21:56:32 <Tibfib> thehodge: nothing is clear at this point
Jun 22 21:56:34 <singmajesty> However, let me think
Jun 22 21:56:40 <thehodge> oh
Jun 22 21:56:42 <singmajesty> You can do multiple windows for the same application
Jun 22 21:56:51 * PatrickC got to play with an Evo3D today
Jun 22 21:56:54 <singmajesty> You can do synergy services for messaging, calendar, contacts, etc.
Jun 22 21:56:57 <Tibfib> singmajesty: Did you see twbbas's earlier post?
Jun 22 21:57:12 <singmajesty> You can do background services using node JS
Jun 22 21:57:16 <singmajesty> You can use Flash
Jun 22 21:57:23 <singmajesty> You can use more than 40 MB of RAM
Jun 22 21:57:32 <singmajesty> (I used 682 MB once)
Jun 22 21:57:58 <dawm> singmajesty, did you ever look into that issue i emailed you about?
Jun 22 21:58:14 <PatrickC> dawm: what's up?
Jun 22 21:58:26 <PatrickC> the Evo 3D is amazing hardware....
Jun 22 21:58:27 <dawm> nuttin, just got home from vacation. :( gotta work tomrorow
Jun 22 21:58:45 <thehodge> singmajesty, is the Touch-to-share api likley to be avilable in the next month?
Jun 22 21:58:46 <singmajesty> Was that the promo downloads?
Jun 22 21:58:47 <PatrickC> how's Ailium? :)
Jun 22 21:58:59 <dawm> havent touched it in awhile, hope to soon tho
Jun 22 21:59:02 <dawm> singmajesty, yes
Jun 22 21:59:28 <PatrickC> madnificent: hey buddy
Jun 22 21:59:30 <madnificent> wth, why didn't I autojoin? :(
Jun 22 21:59:38 <madnificent> PatrickC: !!! you're always off when I want to respond!
Jun 22 21:59:40 <madnificent> how are you?
Jun 22 21:59:45 <PatrickC> good
Jun 22 22:00:01 <madnificent> you must be more than good, you're driving!
Jun 22 22:00:03 <PatrickC> finally... back to good 'ol Adora :)
Jun 22 22:00:06 <PatrickC> hehehe
Jun 22 22:00:09 <PatrickC> yeah :D
Jun 22 22:01:25 <madnificent> I have a WebOS 3.x question and I don't see how it could fall under the NDA, yet still.  Don't answer if I'm wrong.  I'm searching for information on how I can install my application on the emulator.  Can someone link me to that information?  I can see the hidden areas.  An even better answer would be: you can search the hidden forums like so
Jun 22 22:01:39 <oil_pre> oh, another wircer@ :)
Jun 22 22:01:44 <singmajesty> dawm: I'm looking at it now on my account
Jun 22 22:01:46 <Tibfib> madnificent: you install applicates the same way
Jun 22 22:01:52 <Tibfib> applications*
Jun 22 22:01:54 <PatrickC> singmajesty: got your email
Jun 22 22:01:59 <Tibfib> palm-package src
Jun 22 22:02:01 <singmajesty> dawm: It looks like "Your Promo" and "Hp Promo" each have the same number on each day
Jun 22 22:02:12 <Tibfib> palm-install com.dbbsdb.fdbgdeb.ipk
Jun 22 22:02:12 <singmajesty> dawm: It seems to be showing both in the total app sales
Jun 22 22:02:13 <madnificent> Tibfib: so if palm-package doesn't work, then I'm doing something wrong :)
Jun 22 22:02:18 <Tibfib> yes
Jun 22 22:02:21 <Tibfib> or there's a bug
Jun 22 22:02:23 <dawm> i have no promos tho
Jun 22 22:02:29 <Tibfib> ask on forums
Jun 22 22:02:35 <dawm> which means i wouldnt be getting paid for those sales
Jun 22 22:03:03 <singmajesty> I think there might be a bug in the portal
Jun 22 22:03:13 <PatrickC> are you kidding?
Jun 22 22:03:13 <dawm> i hope so :)
Jun 22 22:03:15 <singmajesty> May says the same number for credit card, HP promo and my promo
Jun 22 22:03:19 <PatrickC> the portal never has bugs :)
Jun 22 22:03:31 <singmajesty> June shows different numbers for credit card and promo, but HP promo and my promo are identical
Jun 22 22:03:42 <madnificent> Tibfib: no, I must be missing something... now I wonder what :)
Jun 22 22:03:53 <singmajesty> No, nevermind. Same across the board, still
Jun 22 22:03:58 <singmajesty> Is that the same for you?
Jun 22 22:04:10 <Tibfib> madnificent: ask on the forums
Jun 22 22:04:14 <haeffb> madnificent: error in appinfo.json?
Jun 22 22:04:16 <dawm> i dont have any promo codes generated, so 'Your Promo' should be 0
Jun 22 22:04:26 <LoneStar99> question --> when using canvas and a new color eg. "#006699" is picked a drawing is completely colored in "#006699" ??
Jun 22 22:04:41 <haeffb> or some other JSON formatted file?
Jun 22 22:04:42 <LoneStar99> instead of keeping previous color and only painting new lines in "#006699"?
Jun 22 22:05:14 <madnificent> haeffb: want to guess?  you're very close, but it's not the error :D
Jun 22 22:05:48 <Tibfib> madnificent: palm-package should give you the error
Jun 22 22:06:34 <madnificent> Tibfib: it told me there wasn't an application
Jun 22 22:06:46 <Tibfib> then MAKE AN APPLICATION
Jun 22 22:06:49 <haeffb> no appinfo.json?
Jun 22 22:06:49 <madnificent> but basically, i wrote app-info.json for some reason
Jun 22 22:06:54 <haeffb> yep
Jun 22 22:06:55 <Tibfib> madnificent: hmm, sure you are selecting the right folder?
Jun 22 22:06:57 <madnificent> haeffb: you win :)
Jun 22 22:07:06 <haeffb> WOOOO!!!!
Jun 22 22:07:11 <madnificent> Tibfib: wrong filename, but thanks!! :D
Jun 22 22:07:11 <Tibfib> wait I'm confused
Jun 22 22:07:14 <Tibfib> this was  game
Jun 22 22:07:15 * haeffb does a NuttyBunny dance!
Jun 22 22:07:17 <madnificent> Tibfib: it works now
Jun 22 22:07:21 <Tibfib> I LOST :(
Jun 22 22:07:40 * haeffb does a NuttyBunny dace on Tibfib's mangled body
Jun 22 22:07:47 <madnificent> Tibfib: LoL, you helped a lot!
Jun 22 22:08:03 * Tibfib trips haeffb
Jun 22 22:09:32 <singmajesty> I've sent off an email internally about the promo thing
Jun 22 22:09:50 <singmajesty> It looks like the numbers on the site are wrong ... perhaps for users who haven't done a promo?
Jun 22 22:10:02 <singmajesty> I'll see if we can get it figured out or fixed
Jun 22 22:10:29 <dawm> thanks
Jun 22 22:11:22 <singmajesty> I had put some things in before to try and clarify if developers got paid for HP promos, but now I realize this just looks like a bug in the portal
Jun 22 22:11:34 <singmajesty> I'm hoping that I'll still get an answer about HP promo at the end of the day, though
Jun 22 22:11:46 <singmajesty> Everyone has been busy with the launch of the TouchPad, as you might imagine
Jun 22 22:11:48 <madnificent> bah, there's more wrong than what I was hoping for
Jun 22 22:12:04 <Tibfib> ARGG http://www.precentral.net/wirc-now-available-2-1-app-catalog they didn't use the screenshot with me
Jun 22 22:12:07 <Tibfib> :'(
Jun 22 22:12:14 <madnificent> singmajesty: that removes more than a 1% of my user base!
Jun 22 22:12:38 <Tibfib> @ oil
Jun 22 22:12:57 <oil_pre> heh
Jun 22 22:14:44 <oil_pre> that first comment sums it up nicely
Jun 22 22:15:22 <Tibfib> heh yeah
Jun 22 22:18:05 <oil_pre> and the second one haha
Jun 22 22:18:48 <Tibfib> hahaahah
Jun 22 22:18:52 <PuffTheMagic> I thought it was a hybrid app, making it 2.1 only. And since there's a bug preventing 2.1 metadoctored phones from viewing 2.1 apps in the catalog, I thought I would be unable to view it on my Pre+, but I can see it. Why can't I see other 2.1 apps?? HP??
Jun 22 22:18:53 <PuffTheMagic> LOL
Jun 22 22:19:01 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ WOR comment
Jun 22 22:19:14 <oil_pre> cause we're awesome
Jun 22 22:20:44 <PuffTheMagic> wIRC has 24 plugin callbacks
Jun 22 22:20:49 <PuffTheMagic> like to see another app beat that
Jun 22 22:21:03 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 22 22:21:18 <oil_pre> count the scenes, I think there is like 20-something
Jun 22 22:21:43 <singmajesty> Bible Reader Plus is pretty complicated, but not hybrid plugin
Jun 22 22:21:49 <singmajesty> *no
Jun 22 22:22:39 <PuffTheMagic> first use, help, identity, server list, server status, channel, pm, tons of prefs scenes, dcc scenes, chan list, nick list, ....
Jun 22 22:22:42 <PuffTheMagic> goes on forever
Jun 22 22:22:58 <singmajesty> I'm really glad that it was accepted into the App Catalog
Jun 22 22:23:14 * oil_pre too haha
Jun 22 22:23:14 <singmajesty> It seems like a landmark in the growth of the core platform
Jun 22 22:23:20 <PuffTheMagic> ya i just wish hybrids worked properly 8+ months ago
Jun 22 22:23:27 <singmajesty> Yeah, me too
Jun 22 22:23:51 <PuffTheMagic> wirc worked with plugins before plugins were even out of nda :(
Jun 22 22:23:59 <singmajesty> So lets see...
Jun 22 22:24:03 <PuffTheMagic> before they were even in nda too
Jun 22 22:24:05 <singmajesty> wIRC, WordPress...
Jun 22 22:24:15 <singmajesty> I just need FTP and a code editor for my TouchPad
Jun 22 22:24:25 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 22 22:24:41 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, ftp would be a pretty cool and easy app to make :D
Jun 22 22:24:52 * haeffb going to call it a day and start the celebration.
Jun 22 22:24:56 <singmajesty> I'm really happy about the push, lately, around hybrid support in Enyo
Jun 22 22:24:57 <PuffTheMagic> singmajesty, remind me towards the end of summer when my workload is smaller
Jun 22 22:24:59 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: It's not a dance, it's just hop around :D
Jun 22 22:25:07 <Draecos> can the you spoof the agent of the web browser on webos?
Jun 22 22:25:14 <PuffTheMagic> NuttyBunny, have u test 0.4.4 yet?
Jun 22 22:25:24 <PuffTheMagic> the version in preware that is
Jun 22 22:25:38 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, I have 8% battery and no cable :)
Jun 22 22:26:32 <singmajesty> Something like this:
Jun 22 22:26:33 <singmajesty> http://alexgorbatchev.com/SyntaxHighlighter/manual/demo/
Jun 22 22:26:42 <singmajesty> Maybe a code editor?
Jun 22 22:26:48 <singmajesty> Would be fun to code Enyo on the device
Jun 22 22:27:07 <halfhalo> cloud9
Jun 22 22:27:43 <NuttyBunny> There are just some things worth to switch data on even with 8% of battery on a Pre :D
Jun 22 22:30:31 * madnificent grows slightly insane
Jun 22 22:30:59 <oil_pre> slightly? haha
Jun 22 22:31:36 <madnificent> ;_;
Jun 22 22:31:49 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: First run: "Waiting for the Plugin"
Jun 22 22:32:27 <PuffTheMagic> i think it will always do that till 3.x
Jun 22 22:32:28 <NuttyBunny> Ah!  Yeah!  It connected on the first try! :D
Jun 22 22:32:43 <singmajesty> I can't get cloud9 to load on my desktop or TouchPad
Jun 22 22:32:59 <singmajesty> I think an Enyo application for code editing would probably be better
Jun 22 22:33:01 <PuffTheMagic> NuttyBunny, guess we can finally close that bug :D
Jun 22 22:33:03 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 hops around
Jun 22 22:33:06 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> :D
Jun 22 22:33:07 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> Yep
Jun 22 22:33:24 <PuffTheMagic> good think i started doing enyo work
Jun 22 22:33:30 <PuffTheMagic> else i would have never discovered that issue
Jun 22 22:33:41 <PuffTheMagic> not before the catalog release at least
Jun 22 22:34:02 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. cool :)  But.. the catalog version still has it?
Jun 22 22:34:19 <PuffTheMagic> no i backported the ifx
Jun 22 22:34:36 <PuffTheMagic> cat version should work well
Jun 22 22:34:41 <NuttyBunny> ah, nice :D
Jun 22 22:35:21 <NuttyBunny> well, gotta go.  bbl
Jun 22 22:40:29 <twbbas> "cat version should work well" oh my. I read that thinking there was going to be a cat themed version of wirc
Jun 22 22:40:57 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas, there IS gonna be a nyan cat theme for wirc enyo
Jun 22 22:41:05 <twbbas> :D
Jun 22 22:41:05 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 22 22:41:20 <PuffTheMagic> with sound!
Jun 22 22:41:37 <twbbas> You should make the app say "nyan" whenever someone types n-y-a-n
Jun 22 22:42:35 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 22 22:47:11 <PuffTheMagic> how do i format a fucntion in JS such that it takes infinite args
Jun 22 22:47:13 * madnificent grows slightly more insane
Jun 22 22:48:40 <LoneStar99> ok release for my new app tomara --> stripping features until further testing =)
Jun 22 22:52:04 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: function(){ arguments[0], ...}
Jun 22 22:52:25 <Tibfib> arguments isn't a true array, so I can't remember if you can loop through it
Jun 22 22:52:33 <Tibfib> I think you can
Jun 22 22:52:50 <Tibfib> otherwise you could use for(var in arguments) or something like that
Jun 22 22:52:53 <PuffTheMagic> ehh here is my issue
Jun 22 22:53:05 <PuffTheMagic> i have a function that can take infinite args
Jun 22 22:53:11 <PuffTheMagic> and i want to make a wrapper function for it
Jun 22 22:53:29 <PuffTheMagic> but i dont know how i should pass along the infinite args
Jun 22 22:53:50 <Tibfib> oh
Jun 22 22:54:04 <Tibfib> I would pass the arguments array
Jun 22 22:55:09 <PuffTheMagic> so like this
Jun 22 22:55:28 <PuffTheMagic> call: function() {this.something.call(arguments)}
Jun 22 22:55:33 <Tibfib> yeah
Jun 22 22:55:35 <PuffTheMagic> k
Jun 22 22:55:38 <Tibfib> then adapt your this.something function
Jun 22 22:56:04 <PuffTheMagic> i cant change that
Jun 22 22:56:07 <PuffTheMagic> its not my function
Jun 22 22:56:28 <Tibfib> oh, then that solution won't work
Jun 22 22:56:32 <PuffTheMagic> sure doesnt
Jun 22 22:56:46 <PuffTheMagic> i get a 'Cannot call method apply of undefined'
Jun 22 22:57:01 <Tibfib> google it
Jun 22 22:57:04 <PuffTheMagic> seems like i need to use the apply function my self :D
Jun 22 22:57:07 <Tibfib> I'm sure there's something on stackoverflow
Jun 22 22:58:19 <dwc-> it's often called varargs, if that helps with the googling
Jun 22 22:59:57 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: I'd be interested to know the solution, if/when you find it
Jun 22 23:03:35 <bemjb> why can't you do: function () { otherfn.apply(this, arguments); }
Jun 22 23:03:41 <Tibfib> OH THAT"S IT
Jun 22 23:04:02 <PuffTheMagic> that is basically what im trying
Jun 22 23:04:10 <Tibfib> I saw that in javascript: best parts. But I couldn't remember it
Jun 22 23:04:36 <bemjb> PuffTheMagic: and it doesn't work?
Jun 22 23:04:50 <dwc-> it should be working
Jun 22 23:04:59 <bemjb> 06-22 15:54 < PuffTheMagic> i get a 'Cannot call method apply of undefined'
Jun 22 23:05:20 <bemjb> if you're getting that error, then "otherfn" is undefined, and doing otherfn() should also explode...
Jun 22 23:05:33 <bemjb> at least that's how I read it.
Jun 22 23:07:01 <PuffTheMagic> ehh that errors out also
Jun 22 23:10:46 <Tibfib> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://www.giantbomb.com/news/that-new-smash-bros-game-iwata-mentioned-that-doesnt-really-exist-yet/3411/
Jun 22 23:13:41 * madnificent does a happy-dance for Tibfib's help :D
Jun 22 23:14:00 <Tibfib> on haeffb's dead body
Jun 22 23:15:06 <madnificent> moehahahahaha \o/
Jun 22 23:21:20 <haeffb> moe hahahahaha?
Jun 22 23:21:28 <haeffb> like three stooges moe?
Jun 22 23:21:42 <haeffb> hey, look, it's roy-pre101
Jun 22 23:22:41 <Loudergood> party atmosphere in here tonight
Jun 22 23:22:51 <Tibfib> aww.
Jun 22 23:25:09 <madnificent> haeffb: don't laugh at me dancing on your dead body, it's creepy
Jun 22 23:25:36 <haeffb> roy-pre101: either stay or go.
Jun 22 23:25:53 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 22 23:26:26 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: It doesn't run :(
Jun 22 23:26:36 <oil_pre> looks like he's using wirc on vzw
Jun 22 23:26:52 <Tibfib> figures
Jun 22 23:27:18 <haeffb> NuttyBunny: what?!?
Jun 22 23:30:03 <dohtem> oil_pre: sure, blame his network :)
Jun 22 23:30:18 <oil_pre> heh
Jun 22 23:31:26 <haeffb> SPRINT ROOLZ!!!!
Jun 22 23:33:02 <Tibfib> VZW DROOOOOLZ
Jun 22 23:33:13 <madnificent> hehe
Jun 22 23:35:19 <Flashpass> lol
Jun 22 23:37:49 <roy-pre101> Boing!
Jun 22 23:38:09 <Tibfib> hey he stayed!
Jun 22 23:38:11 <Tibfib> and said something!
Jun 22 23:42:37 * NuttyBunny updates his GF Xperia X10 Mini Pro to Android 2.1 (better late than never)
Jun 22 23:42:43 <NuttyBunny> ah, sorry, wrong channel ;)
Jun 22 23:43:00 <dohtem> Android user! Slay him!
Jun 22 23:43:28 <NuttyBunny> its hers, not mine :)
Jun 22 23:43:55 <NuttyBunny> and remember, I wand an android phone to reverse engineer whatsapp!!
Jun 22 23:44:00 <NuttyBunny> want*
Jun 22 23:44:16 <dohtem> lol
Jun 22 23:46:14 <dawm> thank fucking GOD for google email draft auto save
Jun 22 23:46:25 <dawm> i was about to commit suidicde
Jun 22 23:46:26 <NuttyBunny> Besides, even the Pixi (on 1.4.5) is better than an android stock
Jun 22 23:46:46 <dawm> i need mroe achohol
Jun 22 23:47:44 <NuttyBunny> no you don't ;)
Jun 22 23:48:01 <dohtem> Survey says?
Jun 22 23:48:03 <dohtem> More!
Jun 22 23:48:06 <dawm> i do .. i really dreally do
Jun 22 23:48:52 <dawm> facebook needs a breathalizer requirement
Jun 22 23:48:56 <dawm> FUCK
Jun 22 23:51:43 * oil_pre is very interested now
Jun 22 23:55:38 <dohtem> sometimes the internets is awesome - http://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2011/06/sine-yesno.html
Jun 22 23:59:32 <dwc-> ok... what did dawm post on facebook
Jun 23 00:02:42 <Loudergood> dohtem: first picture of the kid is awesome
Jun 23 00:03:04 <dohtem> its like christmas morning
Jun 23 00:05:28 <PuffTheMagic> wow
Jun 23 00:05:36 <PuffTheMagic> precentral censored the word pr0n
Jun 23 00:05:39 <PuffTheMagic> LAME!
Jun 23 00:08:17 <dwc-> pretty sure those verizon.net domains are wired, not wireless
Jun 23 00:20:04 <rwhitby> I think PreCentral needs to do a Developer Spotlight on oil
Jun 23 00:20:44 <oil_pre> I don't have that much to say
Jun 23 00:20:53 <oil_pre> that's long
Jun 23 00:21:12 <oil_pre> jason doesn't look anything like I thought
Jun 23 00:22:10 <haeffb> u could say that
Jun 23 00:22:16 <dohtem> haha
Jun 23 00:22:50 <haeffb> to tell the truth, you don't look all that oily in person, either.
Jun 23 00:24:32 <madnificent> haeffb: <lame>BP spilled him, he looks much cleaner now</lame>
Jun 23 00:25:03 <oil_pre> lol
Jun 23 00:26:10 * dohtem votes for oil
Jun 23 01:31:13 <NuttyBunny> I refuse to continue working on my app for today... my eyes get closed for 3 minutes each time I close my eyelids...
Jun 23 01:31:20 <NuttyBunny> falling asleeeep! :S
Jun 23 01:31:22 <NuttyBunny> zzzzzz
Jun 23 01:33:30 <NuttyBunny> dawm: http://www.rubbishcorp.com/wrist-watch-breathalyzer/
Jun 23 01:44:32 <zamo> You can preorder the touch pad but they barely released any info about it
Jun 23 01:45:16 <uncola> I preordered it but thanks to amazon free shipping I'm not getting it til july 12-18
Jun 23 01:45:26 <uncola> I'm thinking about cancelling and preordering it in person at a best buy store
Jun 23 01:45:28 <uncola> but then I'd have to pay tax
Jun 23 01:45:45 <dohtem> Amazon's estimates are usually conservative
Jun 23 01:46:07 <dohtem> Im guessing it will arrive sooner
Jun 23 01:59:58 <zamo> I don't see the point of preordering it
Jun 23 02:20:15 <twbbas> There is 1wk 1day 8hrs 42mins until the HP TouchPad launches
Jun 23 02:20:18 <twbbas> :D
Jun 23 02:26:23 <haeffb> is there an app for that?
Jun 23 02:27:19 <dwc-> I know I've seen some countdown apps
Jun 23 02:27:28 <dwc-> they might have been in a beta appcat feed though
Jun 23 02:27:42 <twbbas> I just wrote a simple mIRC script that counts down for me
Jun 23 02:27:46 <twbbas> No app :D
Jun 23 02:30:39 <cwayne> lol mirc
Jun 23 02:31:48 <twbbas> Heh. I've been using mIRC for years. Kinda stuck on it since I haven't found a better windows client.
Jun 23 02:31:53 <twbbas> Although I haven't really looked
Jun 23 02:36:43 <cwayne> twbbas: i used it when i had windows too, dont worry
Jun 23 02:36:44 <cwayne> lol
Jun 23 02:37:27 <haeffb> XChat
Jun 23 02:37:30 <twbbas> I actually started my first programming on mIRC back in middle school. If you can call writing mIRC scripts programming...
Jun 23 02:38:31 <haeffb> http://xchat.org/
Jun 23 02:39:27 <cwayne> haeffb: i just use pidgin
Jun 23 02:42:19 <zamo> I wonder how many apps the touchpad will have at lunch and if they worked out the lag
Jun 23 02:42:28 <dwc-> mmm, lunch
Jun 23 02:42:36 <zamo> Launch
Jun 23 02:42:48 <dwc-> pidgin is a reasonable irc client for just talking
Jun 23 02:42:56 <haeffb_ubuntu> mmmm.
Jun 23 02:43:02 <dwc-> it's pretty terrible for doing things like ircop'ing
Jun 23 02:43:49 <Epyon22> ive used pidgin b4 for irc...it works thats about all. nothin fancy at all
Jun 23 02:43:58 <Epyon22> im using quassel right now
Jun 23 02:44:35 <haeffb_ubuntu> whatever this chat client that comes with ubuntu... meh
Jun 23 02:44:39 <PatrickC> Epyson22: looking for a good irc client?
Jun 23 02:44:44 <PatrickC> I use xchat
Jun 23 02:45:13 <Epyon22> PatrickC: quassel is pretty good. someone just mentioned using pidgin which i have used b4
Jun 23 02:45:39 <PatrickC> I've never used/heard of quassel
Jun 23 02:45:47 <PatrickC> irssi is good too
Jun 23 02:46:10 <Epyon22> its what comes with kubuntu
Jun 23 02:46:21 <Epyon22> a qt irc client
Jun 23 02:46:34 <Epyon22> also has a windows port also
Jun 23 02:46:36 <PatrickC> ah. I use ubuntu
Jun 23 02:46:41 <PatrickC> not kubuntu
Jun 23 02:48:17 <PatrickC> man...
Jun 23 02:48:26 * PatrickC wants an Evo 3D now...
Jun 23 02:48:40 <Epyon22> wants a pre3 now
Jun 23 02:48:42 * twbbas doesn't want a 3D phone
Jun 23 02:48:59 <Epyon22> whops whats the cmd for that lol
Jun 23 02:49:06 <PatrickC> twbbas: its amazing hardware...
Jun 23 02:49:13 <twbbas> Epyon22: Type /me wants a pre3 now
Jun 23 02:49:17 <PatrickC> the 3D'ness is amazing
Jun 23 02:49:23 * Epyon22 wants a pre3 now
Jun 23 02:49:36 <twbbas> PatrickC: I agree that the hardware is amazing but I just don't want 3D on my phone... or TV... or computer
Jun 23 02:49:49 <PatrickC> why not?
Jun 23 02:49:57 <twbbas> I want to keep 3D where it belongs: in the movie theaters
Jun 23 02:50:03 <PatrickC> its not forced on you, everything isn't 3D
Jun 23 02:50:05 * Epyon22 thinks 3d is just a gimick the hard ware is awesome on the evo 3d though
Jun 23 02:50:14 <twbbas> I get headaches when I watch too much 3D
Jun 23 02:50:21 <PatrickC> the 3D pictures are amazing
Jun 23 02:50:25 <Epyon22> i cant do it in the theater
Jun 23 02:50:36 <twbbas> I can handle it for a movie
Jun 23 02:50:39 <PatrickC> I played with one in Sprint today, pre-release unit
Jun 23 02:50:39 <twbbas> but not anymore than that
Jun 23 02:50:51 <dwc-> speaking of 3d movies.... www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/06/threat_models_c.html
Jun 23 02:51:22 * PatrickC wants a Pre³ too...
Jun 23 02:51:39 <Epyon22> maybe 3d is just a ploy to encourage more bluray sales
Jun 23 02:51:55 <Epyon22> ive heard that bluray adoption is pretty slow compared to dvd
Jun 23 02:51:56 <PatrickC> anyone want to speculate a price? :) //cc chuqui, singmajesty :)
Jun 23 02:52:09 <rwatkins> $200 with contract
Jun 23 02:52:15 <PatrickC> I love bd players
Jun 23 02:52:18 <Epyon22> id say no more than 250
Jun 23 02:52:31 <PatrickC> I hope its $200 or less..
Jun 23 02:52:32 <twbbas> $0 if you trade in a current webOS device (besides Pre2/Veer)
Jun 23 02:52:42 <twbbas> and buy a contract
Jun 23 02:52:44 <PatrickC> I have $150 in upgrade...
Jun 23 02:52:45 <Epyon22> yes!
Jun 23 02:52:48 <twbbas> I have $75 in upgrade
Jun 23 02:52:51 <twbbas> $150 in octob
Jun 23 02:52:51 <PatrickC> twbbas: YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Jun 23 02:52:57 <PatrickC> I'm a sprint premier...
Jun 23 02:53:00 <twbbas> Same
Jun 23 02:53:00 <PatrickC> ;)
Jun 23 02:53:04 <twbbas> oh wait
Jun 23 02:53:05 <rwatkins> i really dont care, I just want an unlocked one at whatever price.
Jun 23 02:53:06 <PatrickC> really..
Jun 23 02:53:07 <twbbas> Our account is
Jun 23 02:53:08 <Epyon22> twbbas: i want to trade in my pre for a pre3
Jun 23 02:53:13 <twbbas> but my brother gets the 1 yr $150
Jun 23 02:53:20 <twbbas> I get 1 yr $75
Jun 23 02:53:20 <PatrickC> that's what we have
Jun 23 02:53:28 <PatrickC> ^^ 1 yr $150
Jun 23 02:53:45 <twbbas> For me, $75 isn't that big of a deal if I'm buying a phone I'll have for a whole year
Jun 23 02:53:52 <Epyon22> ive had my pre for 2 years in july
Jun 23 02:53:53 <twbbas> or maybe 2 years
Jun 23 02:54:13 <twbbas> I mean using my upgrade at $75 instead of waiting for$150
Jun 23 02:54:17 * PatrickC had a Pixi for over a year before I got a pre
Jun 23 02:54:26 <twbbas> PatrickC: ouch
Jun 23 02:54:29 * Epyon22 feels sorry for PatrickC
Jun 23 02:54:36 <PatrickC> yeah.. Pixi- :'(
Jun 23 02:54:50 <twbbas> My dad has a Sprint Pixi and it is so slow!! Also, the usb door is impossible to open and keep open
Jun 23 02:55:01 <twbbas> It takes like 2-3 tries to open it and keep it open long enough to plug in
Jun 23 02:55:05 <PatrickC> sprint told me that having the pixi fixed 6 times in 5 months was enough :P
Jun 23 02:55:11 <PatrickC> and they gave me a pre haha
Jun 23 02:55:15 <Epyon22> my friend had one and i peeled the rubber off a little trying to get to the usb slot
Jun 23 02:55:16 <twbbas> So, for father's day we bought my dad a touchstone :D
Jun 23 02:55:46 <PatrickC> man.. I love my pre2 soooo much
Jun 23 02:56:01 <PatrickC> twbbas: you should have bought him a pre ;)
Jun 23 02:56:06 <twbbas> PatrickC: Same. It's so fast and sturdy. I wish I had my cell service on that one
Jun 23 02:56:16 <Epyon22> lol probably could have gotten it for the same price
Jun 23 02:56:18 <twbbas> PatrickC: haha. he actually likes his Pixi though
Jun 23 02:56:36 <twbbas> I keep showing him simple tips about once a week
Jun 23 02:56:40 <PatrickC> heh
Jun 23 02:56:41 <twbbas> like Just Type
Jun 23 02:56:48 <twbbas> or that you can open up more than 1 card at a time
Jun 23 02:56:49 <twbbas> ^^
Jun 23 02:56:51 <PatrickC> Universal Search ;)
Jun 23 02:56:56 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 23 02:57:07 <PatrickC> twbbas: comms board swap
Jun 23 02:57:15 <PatrickC> if you are brave :) (unlike me :P )
Jun 23 02:57:18 <twbbas> Yeah but like I said before... that's not an option for us
Jun 23 02:57:19 <Epyon22> i have the dev emu of 2.1 omg i want it so bad on my pre now.
Jun 23 02:57:27 <twbbas> Our Pre 2 is shared as a dev device between my brothers and I
Jun 23 02:57:39 <Epyon22> just type for texts and email :-D
Jun 23 02:57:52 <twbbas> I meta-doctored 2.1 on my Sprint Pre
Jun 23 02:57:55 <PatrickC> epyson22: how bad you want it? ;)
Jun 23 02:58:10 <twbbas> It runs just the same as 1.4.5 did (with overclocking of course)
Jun 23 02:58:24 <PatrickC> ^^ is a must!
Jun 23 02:58:30 <Epyon22> im starting to seriously consider upgrading
Jun 23 02:58:36 <twbbas> Wait for Pre 3!
Jun 23 02:58:36 <PatrickC> Epyson22: http://www.google.com/m/url?channel=iss&client=ms-palm-webOS&ei=RqsCTuDRBKGysQeRid6_AQ&q=http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHvc4RagAT9DNYVBldBejzQDuJSWA
Jun 23 02:58:38 <Epyon22> i already run at 1ghz all the time
Jun 23 02:58:45 <twbbas> Same
Jun 23 02:58:54 <twbbas> Meta-doctor to 2.1 was simple
Jun 23 02:59:03 <twbbas> Took forever to download 3 doctors but worth it
Jun 23 02:59:06 <PatrickC> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade cleaned up link
Jun 23 02:59:07 <Epyon22> only thing im worried about "Be aware that there is no publicly available solution for Sprint Navigation or Sprint PRL"
Jun 23 02:59:18 <twbbas> Yeah, that's the thing that sucks about it
Jun 23 02:59:21 <PatrickC> Epyson22: http://beta.ndrive.com
Jun 23 02:59:30 <PatrickC> free nDrive w/ maps
Jun 23 02:59:39 <twbbas> Does nDrive speak to you?
Jun 23 02:59:44 <PatrickC> yes
Jun 23 02:59:47 <twbbas> cool
Jun 23 02:59:49 <PatrickC> I love nDrive
Jun 23 02:59:52 <twbbas> We need more options for that
Jun 23 02:59:56 <PatrickC> look it up in the catalog
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