**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 02:59:57 2011
Jun 24 03:03:09 * PatrickC wanders in
Jun 24 03:03:20 <PatrickC> who installed that TextOne app?
Jun 24 03:04:02 <NuttyBunny> it doesn't work anymore
Jun 24 03:04:07 <PatrickC> huh...
Jun 24 03:04:25 <NuttyBunny> I had to close it and reopen
Jun 24 03:04:32 <PatrickC> weird..
Jun 24 03:04:43 <PatrickC> the app is a great idea
Jun 24 03:06:18 <Tibfib> what app?
Jun 24 03:06:21 <Tibfib> link?
Jun 24 03:06:30 <PatrickC> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.textone.app
Jun 24 03:06:52 <Tibfib> cool
Jun 24 03:07:00 <PatrickC> its really nice
Jun 24 03:07:11 <Tibfib> does anyone use it on android/iPhone?
Jun 24 03:07:15 <PatrickC> you can guess my username :P
Jun 24 03:07:22 <PatrickC> I don't have android/iPhone :/
Jun 24 03:08:11 <LoneStar> i just got it installed on android
Jun 24 03:08:52 <Loudergood> what version does it require?
Jun 24 03:09:00 * Loudergood installs it on his original nook
Jun 24 03:09:09 <PatrickC> singmajesty: I got my payment
Jun 24 03:09:23 <Bradmeister1> If a sprint frankenpre³ were possible...how many of you sprint folks would not hesitate to pay full price for one?
Jun 24 03:09:25 <PatrickC> Loudergood: 2.x iirc
Jun 24 03:09:31 <LoneStar> looks amateur. try to open a conversation with myself, it crashes
Jun 24 03:09:36 <PatrickC> id pay full price
Jun 24 03:10:01 <Bradmeister1> I think I would too
Jun 24 03:10:23 <Loudergood> umm...full price would be the minimum I'd expect to pay for something like that
Jun 24 03:10:39 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 24 03:11:09 <Bradmeister1> well, I meant that you wouldn't wait for developer pricing.
Jun 24 03:11:14 <Loudergood> you can always use your upgrade to get a fancy new android device and sell it for cash, since you're going to be on contract anyway
Jun 24 03:11:17 <PatrickC> I would
Jun 24 03:11:42 <PatrickC> ^^ wait for dev pricing
Jun 24 03:12:17 <Bradmeister1> I would use my upgrade to have a fancy android backup phone
Jun 24 03:12:24 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 03:12:33 <PatrickC> Evo 3D
Jun 24 03:12:42 <Bradmeister1> meh
Jun 24 03:12:51 <PatrickC> 1.2GHz dual-core
Jun 24 03:12:55 <Bradmeister1> I'm unimpressed
Jun 24 03:13:01 <PatrickC> 4.3" screen, 3D
Jun 24 03:13:14 <PatrickC> I, for one, am impressed
Jun 24 03:13:15 <Bradmeister1> 3d is a gimick
Jun 24 03:13:24 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 24 03:13:26 <PatrickC> I used one
Jun 24 03:13:33 <Bradmeister1> really?
Jun 24 03:13:35 <PatrickC> looks just like the theatre
Jun 24 03:13:37 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 03:13:43 <Bradmeister1> hmmmm
Jun 24 03:13:44 <PatrickC> no glasses required
Jun 24 03:13:57 <Bradmeister1> how long did you play with it?
Jun 24 03:14:01 <summatusmentis> I feel like it'd make my eyes hurt
Jun 24 03:14:05 <PatrickC> played with a pre-release at sprint yesterday
Jun 24 03:14:09 <PatrickC> about 5-10 min
Jun 24 03:14:10 <Bradmeister1> I figured you would get sick
Jun 24 03:14:16 <Bradmeister1> after a while
Jun 24 03:14:53 <PatrickC> then my friend (who's a sprint rep) had to take it back :/
Jun 24 03:15:06 <summatusmentis> but even if it is just like in theaters, that doesn't make it less of a gimmick :)
Jun 24 03:15:12 <summatusmentis> what's the purpose of 3d on a phone?
Jun 24 03:15:14 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 03:15:25 <PatrickC> what's the purpose of 3d on a DS?
Jun 24 03:15:28 <summatusmentis> beyond "oooh, shiny"
Jun 24 03:15:49 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: arguably, a video game is similar to a movie in that it makes the experience btter
Jun 24 03:15:52 <summatusmentis> better*
Jun 24 03:15:54 * PatrickC waits for Angry Birds 3D
Jun 24 03:15:55 <Loudergood> with games I can see it kind of making sense
Jun 24 03:15:59 <summatusmentis> but, I'm not completely sold on 3d as a concept
Jun 24 03:16:01 <Loudergood> but with a touch UI?
Jun 24 03:16:27 <PatrickC> I'm thinking its for videos, games, and pictures
Jun 24 03:16:32 <summatusmentis> in movies (and to some extent games) it makes the whole thing more immersive
Jun 24 03:16:40 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 03:16:40 * NuttyBunny eats his torta
Jun 24 03:16:46 <Bradmeister1> I like the 3d camera aspect of the concept
Jun 24 03:16:58 <summatusmentis> on a phone, I don't know that "immersive" is meaningful
Jun 24 03:17:05 <PatrickC> Bradmeister1: you should play with one
Jun 24 03:17:07 <summatusmentis> unless it feels like the cards are all around you, maaaan
Jun 24 03:17:15 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 24 03:17:17 <Tibfib> https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/market/udk.android.reader/f-3-ce730cc4eb5ecb25336f9f6dfcb6818b8a3d6d4b grammar fail
Jun 24 03:18:00 <PatrickC> *on* the market?
Jun 24 03:18:18 <Tibfib> maybe it's not a fail.. but just awkward grammar
Jun 24 03:18:32 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 03:18:34 <Tibfib> PatrickC: I guess
Jun 24 03:18:44 <Tibfib> no, not that
Jun 24 03:18:50 <Tibfib> "most highly"
Jun 24 03:18:58 <PatrickC> I saw that too
Jun 24 03:19:01 <PatrickC> *highest*
Jun 24 03:19:01 <Bradmeister1> we need a 3rd party pdf reader
Jun 24 03:19:14 <PatrickC> we need a 3rd party email client
Jun 24 03:19:15 <PatrickC> and chat client
Jun 24 03:19:16 <Tibfib> I think that's what superlatives are for
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 24 03:20:09 2011
Jun 24 03:20:14 <summatusmentis> I would like to see threading
Jun 24 03:20:21 <PatrickC> that section is not logged
Jun 24 03:20:22 <PatrickC> :P
Jun 24 03:20:24 <summatusmentis> and ideally gpg support (but that's unlikely)
Jun 24 03:20:27 <Bradmeister1> any given update could break any given first party app
Jun 24 03:20:35 <PatrickC> yep
Jun 24 03:20:45 <PatrickC> and any given rwhitby can fix the break :)
Jun 24 03:21:03 <Bradmeister1> true...
Jun 24 03:21:13 * Tibfib got lost
Jun 24 03:21:24 <Bradmeister1> email is buggy on 2.1
Jun 24 03:21:38 <summatusmentis> buggy? how so?
Jun 24 03:21:38 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 03:21:47 <PatrickC> it acts up on me
Jun 24 03:21:54 <summatusmentis> I haven't noticed any issues
Jun 24 03:21:54 <Bradmeister1> pdf viewer was unusable on 1.4.5
Jun 24 03:21:59 <PatrickC> sometimes requires a full-reboot to make it do anything
Jun 24 03:22:15 <Loudergood> it's become my primary email client
Jun 24 03:22:24 <PatrickC> the phones?
Jun 24 03:22:29 <Bradmeister1> sometimes accounts won't sync for sometime
Jun 24 03:22:34 <PatrickC> same here, and I noticed its buggy lol
Jun 24 03:22:35 <summatusmentis> if I open too many email cards it makes my OG pre cry
Jun 24 03:22:39 <summatusmentis> but I don't find it buggy
Jun 24 03:22:58 <Loudergood> yeah I've got a pre2 and pop accounts
Jun 24 03:23:12 <Bradmeister1> I can't send anything from one of my gmail accounts
Jun 24 03:23:13 <PatrickC> I use imap
Jun 24 03:23:20 <PatrickC> huh? weird
Jun 24 03:23:28 <PatrickC> disable email and re-enable it
Jun 24 03:23:40 <Bradmeister1> tried everything
Jun 24 03:23:45 <PatrickC> weird
Jun 24 03:23:50 <Bradmeister1> I just use other accounts
Jun 24 03:23:54 <PatrickC> http://gmail.com :)
Jun 24 03:23:57 <summatusmentis> I also use imap, big fan of imap
Jun 24 03:24:12 <Bradmeister1> manually configured imap?
Jun 24 03:24:33 <PatrickC> I didnt
Jun 24 03:24:51 <PatrickC> hrmm.. the Text One app has no cookie support for the preferences scene
Jun 24 03:24:55 <NuttyBunny> I just use gmail and exchange and they seem to work fine
Jun 24 03:25:11 <PatrickC> another wircer :)
Jun 24 03:25:37 <summatusmentis> Bradmeister1: nah, gmail
Jun 24 03:26:14 <Bradmeister1> I've seen hours pass without any emails coming in on any gmail accounts or exchange.
Jun 24 03:26:16 * PatrickC yawwwwns.. I'm tired..
Jun 24 03:26:26 * Tibfib hasn't had major issues in email
Jun 24 03:26:27 <Tibfib> in 2.1
Jun 24 03:26:35 <PatrickC> I'm going to bed early.. night all
Jun 24 03:26:38 * NuttyBunny is beat :S
Jun 24 03:26:42 <Bradmeister1> later
Jun 24 03:26:44 <NuttyBunny> night PatrickC
Jun 24 03:27:09 * summatusmentis installs new version of chrome
Jun 24 03:27:24 * halfhalo has ie9.  win
Jun 24 03:27:34 <NuttyBunny> summatusmentis' chrome crashes ;)
Jun 24 03:27:45 <PatrickC> chromium FTW!
Jun 24 03:27:49 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: you meant "windows", right? :D
Jun 24 03:28:14 <NuttyBunny> Yep, Chromium FTW :D
Jun 24 03:29:11 <Tibfib> halfhalo: lol. you lose
Jun 24 03:29:35 <summatusmentis> what does chromium get you that chrome doesn't have?
Jun 24 03:29:39 * halfhalo slaps Tibfib with a win95 install cd
Jun 24 03:29:47 <Tibfib> haha
Jun 24 03:30:10 * Tibfib slaps halfhalo with a chromebook
Jun 24 03:30:15 * PatrickC thinks.. "Before my time"
Jun 24 03:30:18 <Tibfib> all it's good for
Jun 24 03:30:33 <Bradmeister1> the chromebook breaks
Jun 24 03:30:40 <Bradmeister1> because it is junk
Jun 24 03:30:42 <PatrickC> what's win95? :D
Jun 24 03:30:47 * halfhalo sticks win7 install usb into chromebook
Jun 24 03:30:52 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 03:31:00 <NuttyBunny> summatusmentis: I have it in my Software Manager, I would have to download Chrome manually ;)
Jun 24 03:31:06 <PatrickC> stick a osx install usb into it
Jun 24 03:31:07 <Tibfib> Bradmeister1: you still can get a solid thwap before it breaks
Jun 24 03:31:38 <Bradmeister1> haha
Jun 24 03:33:14 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: ah
Jun 24 03:34:34 <NuttyBunny> I just love how Ubuntu has reached the point in which I no longer need to use custom repositories for apps :D
Jun 24 03:34:52 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 24 03:35:04 * PatrickC says "Msg me on Text One... PatrickC"
Jun 24 03:59:56 <dwc-> how is textone any mor ecompelling than say, a jabber server
Jun 24 04:02:52 <dohtem> http://moconews.net/article/419-look-out-shazam-hundreds-of-rivals-are-about-to-bloom/ -- app idea!
Jun 24 04:03:30 <LoneStar_fGizM> it doesn't have the online/offline, presence and so on
Jun 24 04:08:23 <LoneStar99> back
Jun 24 04:09:32 <LoneStar99> hello LoneStar
Jun 24 04:09:51 <LoneStar> hello LoneStar99
Jun 24 04:11:15 <dohtem> I N C E P T I O N
Jun 24 04:12:25 <LoneStar99> weird two lonestars
Jun 24 04:16:07 <LoneStar> lol, √
Jun 24 04:16:13 <LoneStar> yes
Jun 24 04:17:02 <twbbas> haha
Jun 24 04:24:09 <LoneStar99> right on
Jun 24 05:11:51 <dwc-> dohtem: which one works on webos! I went looking for a shazam, but did'nt find one
Jun 24 05:13:26 <dwc-> and lack of online/offline presence seems like a downside, not a feature :p
Jun 24 05:41:06 <LoneStar> dwc-: so that you don't have to keep the client running, new incoming message can still get pushed into
Jun 24 06:02:55 <lcdata1701> anyone available for an app catalog question?
Jun 24 06:03:27 <hotdp> Good morning
Jun 24 06:14:52 <lcdata1701> morning
Jun 24 09:53:07 <simef> hi
Jun 24 09:53:58 <errade> :)
Jun 24 09:54:09 <hotdp> hi
Jun 24 09:54:17 <simef> in a JS Service, how can I access/define multiple parameters in a call function?
Jun 24 09:54:22 <simef> ;)
Jun 24 09:56:25 <simef> I think this is wrong i.e. myfunctionAssistant.prototype.run = function (future) {} ------> myfunctionAssistant.prototype.run = function (future, myParamter1, myParameter2) {}
Jun 24 10:45:16 <phoque_uni> simef, this.controller.args.name I think
Jun 24 10:45:55 <phoque_uni> simef, for example https://gist.github.com/1014188
Jun 24 10:48:45 <simef> ok i see, thank you very much i will try it this way...
Jun 24 10:57:33 <simef> ah yes it works fine!
Jun 24 11:19:54 <LoneStar99> MOrning folksa
Jun 24 11:22:50 <errade> Good morning
Jun 24 11:24:42 <LoneStar99> morning errade
Jun 24 11:24:58 <errade> :)
Jun 24 11:37:57 <hotdp> yo LoneStar99
Jun 24 12:10:24 <LoneStar99> yo hotdp
Jun 24 12:14:58 <Boopop> Hi
Jun 24 12:15:09 <Boopop> I has 2:1 Computer Science degree
Jun 24 12:15:10 <Boopop> =D
Jun 24 12:19:59 <Vyker> battery life is really poor on my pre2, any guides/articles or sugguestions to improve it?
Jun 24 12:23:14 <hotdp> Go to ebay and buy a new one?
Jun 24 12:23:28 <Vyker> its brand new :/
Jun 24 12:23:36 <hotdp> Hmm is it getting hot?
Jun 24 12:23:48 <Vyker> when in use, a little, not so when idle
Jun 24 12:23:53 <rwhitby> poor is a relative term
Jun 24 12:24:00 <hotdp> hehe
Jun 24 12:24:08 <hotdp> good point
Jun 24 12:24:18 <Vyker> off charge since 10am, now 1pm, and i'm at 44%
Jun 24 12:24:25 <Vyker> i dont think it will last the day
Jun 24 12:24:32 <hotdp> i would say 1 day is fine
Jun 24 12:24:36 <hotdp> i charge every day
Jun 24 12:24:38 <Vyker> have made no calls [cant] but browsed the preware archive for 20mins
Jun 24 12:28:39 <summatusmentis> d'you have gps on? is your screen at full brightness? are you receiving a lot of email/things-that-sync?
Jun 24 12:28:48 <summatusmentis> are you roaming?
Jun 24 12:28:56 <hotdp> bluetooth?
Jun 24 12:29:10 <hotdp> poor gprs signal?
Jun 24 12:30:41 <Vyker> bluetooth off, gps off, brightness 55% email sync is on for 2 accounts, not roaming, full 3g signal.
Jun 24 12:30:57 <Vyker> 43% now.
Jun 24 12:31:05 <hotdp> instant email`?
Jun 24 12:31:22 <summatusmentis> what types of accounts?
Jun 24 12:31:31 <Vyker> hotdp, yes instant..
Jun 24 12:31:35 <Vyker> summatusmentis, one gmail one exchange
Jun 24 12:31:48 <summatusmentis> are they imap?
Jun 24 12:32:23 <Vyker> dont think so.
Jun 24 12:32:27 <Vyker> how do I check?
Jun 24 12:32:49 <summatusmentis> I think you have to set gmail to be imap still
Jun 24 12:32:55 <summatusmentis> not sure about exchange
Jun 24 12:33:57 <Vyker> i see, i'll get reading on it now, thanks summatusmentis
Jun 24 12:34:25 <summatusmentis> that may not actually be the issue, but that's all I can come up with
Jun 24 12:34:27 <hotdp> It saves power to let it check with interval
Jun 24 12:34:46 <Vyker> its a start :)
Jun 24 12:35:06 <summatusmentis> also, if you have access to wifi, keeping it on wifi when you can helps battery life significantly
Jun 24 12:35:27 <Vyker> on? or off?
Jun 24 12:35:59 <summatusmentis> keep the device connected to wifi, if it's available
Jun 24 12:36:05 <summatusmentis> otherwise, keep the wifi off
Jun 24 12:36:45 <anoopamagarwal> I am new to webos, is there a support on webos to store files in our application
Jun 24 12:38:26 <hotdp> Yer
Jun 24 12:38:42 <hotdp> plug it to your PC and you can use it as drive
Jun 24 12:39:21 <anoopamagarwal> i mean i am working on an application which needs to store a file in the device
Jun 24 12:39:52 <hotdp> what kind?
Jun 24 12:39:59 <anoopamagarwal> text file
Jun 24 12:40:04 <hotdp> use db?
Jun 24 12:40:15 <anoopamagarwal> yeah i tried using sqlite
Jun 24 12:40:22 <hotdp> thats the way
Jun 24 12:41:03 <anoopamagarwal> but i want to be able to view my files and send them back and forth
Jun 24 12:41:11 <anoopamagarwal> on my pc
Jun 24 13:07:08 <LoneStar99> anyone know what time it is in poland?
Jun 24 13:07:39 <LoneStar99> 3:05 PM
Jun 24 13:08:53 <hotdp> LoneStar99 going?
Jun 24 13:09:23 <wircer_enyo_6449> I'm alive
Jun 24 13:09:52 <hotdp> wircer_enyo_6449: cool :D
Jun 24 13:13:32 <LoneStar99> hotdp: needed to email an article to some folks in poland
Jun 24 13:13:41 <LoneStar99> bsdmag
Jun 24 13:41:38 <Vyker> the app notification bar at the bottom, its offical name is?
Jun 24 13:41:57 <NuttyBunny> Dashboard?
Jun 24 13:42:26 <Vyker> Dashboard, ok cool...
Jun 24 13:42:32 <Vyker> do you know how to minimise it?
Jun 24 13:42:37 <Vyker> i have neato forcing it up all the time.
Jun 24 13:42:44 <JayCanuck> Any DevRel or HP Palm employees available for a quick question I have?
Jun 24 13:42:54 <NuttyBunny> weird.... make a back gesture
Jun 24 13:43:20 <Vyker> i thought that closes it completely?
Jun 24 13:43:22 <NuttyBunny> JayCanuck: It's the first time I see you around here :P
Jun 24 13:43:46 <JayCanuck> I'm on IRC occationally, but not often; I prefer GTalk and twitter :p
Jun 24 13:44:28 <NuttyBunny> Vyker: Well, no... if you have the icons and tap on them, they open, if you slide them out, they go, but if you just make a back gesture on the gesture area, they return to being just icons
Jun 24 13:44:38 <JayCanuck> but I'm in a bit of a predicament; well not really, but I wanna to make sure I don't cause any problems if I go ahead with a plan in mind
Jun 24 13:45:45 <Vyker> i see, thanks NuttyBunny
Jun 24 13:45:49 <Vyker> what is your questions JayCanuck?
Jun 24 13:45:51 <NuttyBunny> Ah, those predicaments.. hehehe  Adora is here
Jun 24 13:46:16 <JayCanuck> pinged Adora, but she seems away at the moment
Jun 24 13:46:24 <NuttyBunny> (well, she's "connected", but I think she answers faster on Twitter)
Jun 24 13:47:08 <JayCanuck> basically, webos-internals changed their git format and inadvertently broke .patch applying in WOSQI and internalz Pro
Jun 24 13:48:08 <JayCanuck> so I've got a solution, but it requires updating the apps. But that's where issues come into play, since I've got updates for those apps already near-done
Jun 24 13:48:34 <JayCanuck> Internalz Pro 1.5 I can release fine, but I'm worried about WOSQI v4.2.0
Jun 24 13:49:00 <NuttyBunny> does it have some "NDA" code in it?
Jun 24 13:49:09 <JayCanuck> WOSQI 4.2.0 included a special feature I'm pretty sure is NDA'd
Jun 24 13:49:36 <NuttyBunny> argh... I think they'll ask you to either remove it or delay the release
Jun 24 13:49:40 <JayCanuck> however, I've seen unwiredben talk about it publicly; and in fact his public post is what I based the feature from
Jun 24 13:50:10 <JayCanuck> specifically https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=15230
Jun 24 13:51:21 <JayCanuck> I don't want to get him into trouble if I go ahead with the release if he wasn't suppose to publicly talk about it, but on the other hand, the info is already out in the public and only affects certain TouchPad owners anyway
Jun 24 13:52:02 <NuttyBunny> I say you leave the code, just hide the option to use that for the time being
Jun 24 13:52:07 <NuttyBunny> at least until July 1
Jun 24 13:53:00 <JayCanuck> well as you could guess from the forum thread bI linked, all it is is password support, so if you don't need a password for your device, then you won't even be prompted about it
Jun 24 13:53:45 <JayCanuck> so I guess that should be fine, eh?
Jun 24 13:54:07 <NuttyBunny> Should be :)  just let them know, just in case
Jun 24 13:54:25 <JayCanuck> will do
Jun 24 13:54:34 <NuttyBunny> you said it right, nobody wants to jeopardize the relationships :)
Jun 24 13:55:46 <JayCanuck> originally I was planning on leaving 4.2.0 until after the 1st, as 4.1.1 already supported non-passworded touchpads just fine, but the who git change threw me for a loop
Jun 24 13:56:55 <JayCanuck> though the Verizon 2.1 update was perfect timing. I wanted to wait till Verizon eventually got the 2.1 update before releasing my Internalz and Internalz Pro updates
Jun 24 13:58:11 <NuttyBunny> brb
Jun 24 13:59:43 <Jake_M> is there anywhere i can go to get help with enyo besides PDC?
Jun 24 14:15:40 <NuttyBunny> Jake_M: You could look around and privately talk with someone who has access too (the way I understand it is that you don't talk about it in public)
Jun 24 14:20:33 <Jake_M> well yeah it's NDA
Jun 24 14:20:49 <Jake_M> just didn't know if there was some super secret room
Jun 24 14:21:03 <Jake_M> i'm gonna try running through the documentation tutorial again and see if i can figure it out on my own
Jun 24 14:22:34 <PatrickC> the touchpad looks amazing!
Jun 24 14:22:36 <PatrickC> and fast
Jun 24 14:23:13 <hotdp> where is it shown irl where its fast?
Jun 24 14:23:24 <PatrickC> let me get the link
Jun 24 14:24:01 <PatrickC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHr7-zs4lzk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Jun 24 14:24:10 <PatrickC> that *should* be the right vid
Jun 24 14:24:29 <PatrickC> yep
Jun 24 14:24:34 <PatrickC> that's the right one
Jun 24 14:25:27 <hotdp> it seems ok
Jun 24 14:25:47 <PatrickC> it seems decently quick
Jun 24 14:25:49 <PatrickC> for a demo
Jun 24 14:25:55 <PatrickC> and not OC'ed yet :)
Jun 24 14:26:55 <Jake_M> i wish the photo app uploader had many more options
Jun 24 14:27:03 <Jake_M> and i wish the photobucket uploader didn't distort the quality
Jun 24 14:28:04 <PatrickC> Jake_M: I used to use photobucket, but I use GoAruna now
Jun 24 14:28:21 <PatrickC> use this like -» http://goaruna.com/r/OOfMFue2oxZ2eA to get 250MB extra storage
Jun 24 14:28:42 <PatrickC> they have an awesome webOS app as well.
Jun 24 14:28:47 <Jake_M> i used goaruna for a while
Jun 24 14:28:55 <Jake_M> it was okay i guess
Jun 24 14:28:58 <Jake_M> i liked zumodrive too
Jun 24 14:29:49 <PatrickC> how much space does zumodrive give?
Jun 24 14:29:54 <Jake_M> 2 i think
Jun 24 14:30:03 <PatrickC> and what's your referral code/link?
Jun 24 14:30:07 <Jake_M> umm hold
Jun 24 14:30:09 <Jake_M> also
Jun 24 14:30:15 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 24 14:30:20 <Jake_M> this morning i wanted to install the 10 year sync google patch so i removed my facebook and google accounts just because i felt like they needed a clean sync for whatever reason. anyway i lost a bunch of numbers cuz for some reason some of the accounts weren't on either the palm profile or google so i lost them :( luckily i just had to ask them but i lost like 50% of my battery in an hour
Jun 24 14:30:23 <PatrickC> wirc_enyo! :D
Jun 24 14:30:24 <Jake_M> save early save often
Jun 24 14:30:53 <Jake_M> http://zumo.cc/dr/dir/170yNjExZG
Jun 24 14:30:56 <Jake_M> zumo
Jun 24 14:30:58 <PatrickC> that stinks :/
Jun 24 14:31:01 <Jake_M> http://db.tt/ft7eonN
Jun 24 14:31:03 <Jake_M> dropbox
Jun 24 14:31:07 <Jake_M> i love dropbox so much
Jun 24 14:32:18 <PatrickC> I already have 2 dropbox accounts.. :/
Jun 24 14:32:47 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 24 14:33:07 <PatrickC> what's ZumoDojo? haha
Jun 24 14:33:38 <Jake_M> dojo is like the "how to use zumodrive" thing
Jun 24 14:33:55 <Jake_M> like when you sign up for zumodrive it gives you 1GB, you do the dojo which takes like 2 minutes and it gives you the other GB
Jun 24 14:35:03 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 24 14:39:23 <PatrickC> Jake_M: I assume you are jakeeeeeee (or however many "e"s) on the blastgroup?
Jun 24 14:39:29 <Jake_M> its 5 e's
Jun 24 14:39:30 <Jake_M> and yes
Jun 24 14:39:35 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 24 14:39:42 <Jake_M> did you ever actually send an ipk?
Jun 24 14:40:00 <PatrickC> not yet
Jun 24 14:40:04 <PatrickC> still working on it
Jun 24 14:40:38 <PatrickC> I'm not gonna share one till I get shoutcast/icecast integrated probably
Jun 24 14:40:42 <PatrickC> cwayne: ping
Jun 24 14:40:51 <Jake_M> quote jason robitaille: "theres something about him that rubs me the wrong way" O.o
Jun 24 14:41:07 <PatrickC> who, cwayne? lol
Jun 24 14:41:17 <Jake_M> oh no haha
Jun 24 14:41:21 <Jake_M> its just something jason said to mw
Jun 24 14:41:22 <Jake_M> lol
Jun 24 14:41:30 <Jake_M> someone completed unrelated
Jun 24 14:41:39 <PatrickC> oh hahaha
Jun 24 14:43:07 <PatrickC> Jake_M what do you think of winamp integration?
Jun 24 14:43:52 <Jake_M> i think i haven't used winamp since i was 15 when i wanted to make my own radio station and i used to record my voice and have it on a playlist and i had like 3 listeners, one of which was myself on a different computer
Jun 24 14:44:20 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 24 14:44:45 <Jake_M> okay but that was 3 years ago...so what does winamp do now?
Jun 24 14:44:59 <oil> it really whips the llamas ass
Jun 24 14:45:10 <Jake_M> if you know what oil means
Jun 24 14:45:12 <Jake_M> ;)
Jun 24 14:45:23 <summatusmentis> oh, I _know_ what oil means
Jun 24 14:45:30 <oil> heh
Jun 24 14:45:33 <Jake_M> damn its getting hot in here
Jun 24 14:45:37 <Jake_M> :P
Jun 24 14:45:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 14:46:08 <PatrickC> stupid branding requirements... :/
Jun 24 14:46:48 <Jake_M> simfa is our 100th chat room member
Jun 24 14:47:09 <PatrickC> congradulations simfa!
Jun 24 14:47:22 <Jake_M> i blame oil
Jun 24 14:47:26 <simfa> yeah :) thanks
Jun 24 14:49:30 <PatrickC> ok.. now to get a dev id..
Jun 24 14:55:45 * PatrickC yawns...
Jun 24 14:55:50 <PatrickC> stupid agreement... :/
Jun 24 14:56:54 <PatrickC> there he is
Jun 24 14:56:58 <PatrickC> cwayne: PM?
Jun 24 15:01:37 <Jake_M> i give up on enyo
Jun 24 15:01:40 <Jake_M> skufbksdnfjm
Jun 24 15:03:02 <haeffb> way to stick it out for 40 minutes, Jake_M
Jun 24 15:03:15 <summatusmentis> it's hard
Jun 24 15:03:55 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 15:04:18 <hotdp> lol
Jun 24 15:04:27 <PatrickC> meanwhile... I'm having to read an entire license agreement.. :/
Jun 24 15:06:19 <PatrickC> haeffb is soo helpful :P
Jun 24 15:09:07 <PatrickC> "You may not charge users a separate fee for the specific use of an Application."
Jun 24 15:09:17 <PatrickC> does this mean i cant charge for my app?
Jun 24 15:10:17 <summatusmentis> are you reading an API license?
Jun 24 15:10:33 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 24 15:10:37 <PatrickC> for shoutcast
Jun 24 15:10:43 <summatusmentis> that's certainly what it sounds like then
Jun 24 15:10:59 <PatrickC> grr... then I probably won't integrate shoutcast.. :/
Jun 24 15:11:01 <summatusmentis> how do they define Application?
Jun 24 15:11:18 <PatrickC> “Application(s)” means the developer applications, code (in object or source code form, and instructions) provided by us, such as, APIs, SDKs (Software Development Kits) and related documentation, data, content and services.
Jun 24 15:12:06 <summatusmentis> oh... so maybe that means you can't charge users a fee for providing access to shoutcast?
Jun 24 15:12:36 <PatrickC> well.. my app would provide them access to shoutcast (among many other things
Jun 24 15:12:38 <PatrickC> )
Jun 24 15:12:44 <summatusmentis> as in "we provide access to shoutcast, pay us $50 a year for that service"
Jun 24 15:12:47 <PatrickC> DocLee needs to be here..
Jun 24 15:13:09 <PatrickC> its a $1.99 app.. :/
Jun 24 15:14:21 <summatusmentis> well, right, what I'm saying is you might not be able to charge users for the "right to use shoutcast" on top of whatever service you provide
Jun 24 15:14:47 <summatusmentis> you might be able to sell your app, so long as they get shoutcast, not buy the app, and buy shoutcast access on top of that
Jun 24 15:14:55 <summatusmentis> you should contact shoutcast if youre unsure
Jun 24 15:15:12 <PatrickC> I'm on their forums now
Jun 24 15:15:54 <RichT23> oh summatusmentis are you making a streaming radio app for Webos?
Jun 24 15:16:06 <summatusmentis> not me
Jun 24 15:16:15 <summatusmentis> PatrickC is, or something similar
Jun 24 15:16:25 <RichT23> arr
Jun 24 15:16:32 <PatrickC> I am
Jun 24 15:16:40 <PatrickC> PM if interested in beta'ing
Jun 24 15:16:46 * RichT23 eyes blur =)
Jun 24 15:16:57 <RichT23> PatrickC: will it do RA?
Jun 24 15:17:08 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 24 15:17:32 <RichT23> Real Audio...
Jun 24 15:18:05 <PatrickC> it might.
Jun 24 15:18:17 <RichT23> i havent got my Pixi sorted out yet after it died,
Jun 24 15:18:42 <RichT23> Its back from palm working i just havent sorted it out
Jun 24 15:18:53 <RichT23> hopefully soon though =)
Jun 24 15:18:56 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 24 15:19:03 <summatusmentis> I hope someone make an ampache touchpad app
Jun 24 15:19:42 <PatrickC> summatumentis: PM
Jun 24 15:19:54 <PatrickC> man.. I emailed them, and it rejected it.. :'(
Jun 24 15:20:21 <PatrickC> summatusmentis*
Jun 24 15:27:49 <scoinvPre> what a frustrating day. Twitter is blowing up saying Verizon update is here and it ain't. :(
Jun 24 15:28:44 <anooamagarwal> is there any support to save files on webos3.0
Jun 24 15:29:46 <Loudergood> woo..that's not going to go over well
Jun 24 15:29:46 <PatrickC> or not...
Jun 24 15:36:49 <simfa> next question ;)
Jun 24 15:36:52 <simfa> in a js service getting the error: "Mojo is not defined", how can i solve this?
Jun 24 15:36:55 <PatrickC> anyone here run a Linux server?
Jun 24 15:38:02 <simfa> or just a way to write a log/error message on console i.e. would help me too
Jun 24 15:38:07 <PatrickC> is Mojo defined in the index.html ?
Jun 24 15:38:20 <PatrickC> palm-log com.yourdomain.yourapp
Jun 24 15:38:42 <PatrickC> or Lumberjack
Jun 24 15:39:00 <simfa> thought in a service i don't need a index.html ?
Jun 24 15:39:21 <PatrickC> hmm.. halfhalo?
Jun 24 15:39:52 <PatrickC> how did you make the app?
Jun 24 15:39:55 <PatrickC> palm-generate?
Jun 24 15:40:31 <cwayne> PatrickC: i run a linux server
Jun 24 15:40:44 <PatrickC> cwayne: you run ampache too?
Jun 24 15:40:59 <cwayne> simfa: my favorite logging is just ssh-ing in and tail -f on /var/log/messages
Jun 24 15:41:17 <summatusmentis> I don't think running ampache is that common :)
Jun 24 15:41:21 <cwayne> PatrickC: nope
Jun 24 15:41:52 <simfa> cwayne: so i use console.log ("error"); to write a log message?
Jun 24 15:42:10 <cwayne> simfa: Mojo.Log.info("what is this");
Jun 24 15:42:18 <simfa> ok
Jun 24 15:42:22 <cwayne> or Mojo.Log.error("error");
Jun 24 15:42:55 <PatrickC> cwayne: shoutcast might be a no-go for my app
Jun 24 15:43:39 <simfa> so now I get the error with undefined...so I need a index.html were i define Mojo, although i dont want an application? (service only)
Jun 24 15:46:11 <cwayne> simfa: you can have an index.html for a service only
Jun 24 15:46:28 <PatrickC> what's the service do?
Jun 24 15:46:29 <cwayne> just in the stage assistant, don't push a scene
Jun 24 15:47:09 <simfa> service creates bluetooth connection
Jun 24 15:47:29 <simfa> ok i will try it, thanks
Jun 24 15:48:00 <sugardave> simfa: if Mojo doesn't exist, Mojo.log etc. won't either
Jun 24 15:48:03 <sugardave> console.log in that case
Jun 24 16:03:13 <simfa> also thanks to you, sugardave.
Jun 24 16:03:30 <Tibfib> dangit I wish I knew c++
Jun 24 16:03:55 * PatrickC is working on YMP :)
Jun 24 16:04:02 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: why?
Jun 24 16:04:13 <Tibfib> well I have an app idea, but I need to now c++
Jun 24 16:04:26 <summatusmentis> psh, "need"
Jun 24 16:04:32 <summatusmentis> no one needs C++
Jun 24 16:04:34 <Tibfib> no, I need to
Jun 24 16:04:34 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 24 16:04:40 <Tibfib> well a pdk language
Jun 24 16:04:42 <scoinvPre> Tibfib, hit a book store.
Jun 24 16:04:44 <Tibfib> not possible in javascript
Jun 24 16:04:49 <summatusmentis> (I actually really like C, personally)
Jun 24 16:05:06 <summatusmentis> having never really used C++
Jun 24 16:06:33 <Tibfib> it miiiiiiggght be possible in node.js
Jun 24 16:06:39 <Tibfib> but that's be a lot more work
Jun 24 16:07:04 <Loudergood> look at optware, you can install all kinds of languages ;)
Jun 24 16:09:04 <summatusmentis> that won't work if he's trying for an app catalog app
Jun 24 16:15:36 <PatrickC> JayCanuck browses here?
Jun 24 16:17:43 <NuttyBunny> Yean, I asked him the same question: "I'm on IRC occationally, but not often; I prefer GTalk and twitter :p"
Jun 24 16:28:27 * haeffb playing "guess the ip address of my printer"
Jun 24 16:28:34 <haeffb> finally got it right
Jun 24 16:28:40 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 16:30:47 * haeffb adds a DHCP reservation so it stops changing
Jun 24 16:31:39 <dwc-> how low is your dhcp lease time?
Jun 24 16:32:19 <haeffb> ell if i no
Jun 24 16:33:04 * haeffb is no network administrator, I just fork around until stuff works
Jun 24 16:33:05 <dwc-> ipconfig/all or check your dhcpclient log
Jun 24 16:33:32 <dwc-> I figured if you could add dchp reservations, you could also see what the lease times were set to
Jun 24 16:34:50 <haeffb> 1440 minutes
Jun 24 16:35:00 <PatrickC> that's a long time
Jun 24 16:35:05 <dwc-> so a day
Jun 24 16:35:13 * PatrickC is starting *another* beta group.. PM if interested
Jun 24 16:35:56 <dwc-> not too short (most "public" things are 4h or less unless you have a large address pool)
Jun 24 16:36:05 * dwc- sets is at home to a week
Jun 24 16:36:08 <dwc-> *his
Jun 24 16:36:55 <haeffb> even so, I don't want the printer ip to change again
Jun 24 16:37:18 <dwc-> you just needed to print more often ;)
Jun 24 17:56:27 <LoneStar99> conan mocking new final cut pro http://uoid.me/cnet17
Jun 24 17:57:09 <JayCanuck> lol
Jun 24 18:01:50 <NuttyBunny> hehe.. nice :)
Jun 24 18:02:17 <NuttyBunny> I still haven't found a decent (as in good and easy to use) video editor for Linux
Jun 24 18:02:53 <summatusmentis> afaik, they don't exist
Jun 24 18:03:02 <summatusmentis> kde has something that's supposed to be reasonable
Jun 24 18:03:03 <Loudergood> I've heard kdenlive is supposed to be good, I don't have any video to try it on though
Jun 24 18:03:07 <summatusmentis> right, that
Jun 24 18:03:22 <summatusmentis> but even that doesn't compare really, I don't htink
Jun 24 18:03:24 <summatusmentis> think*
Jun 24 18:03:58 <NuttyBunny> ok, for "gnome/gtk" :)  it just feels weird running a QT/KDE app under gnome
Jun 24 18:04:07 * NuttyBunny wants everything
Jun 24 18:05:45 <Loudergood> haha yes
Jun 24 18:05:55 <Loudergood> I'm weird
Jun 24 18:06:02 <Loudergood> almost all my apps are gtk
Jun 24 18:06:07 <Loudergood> and I love to use KDE
Jun 24 18:06:33 <Loudergood> been thinking about trying the latest xfce though..
Jun 24 18:08:55 <summatusmentis> there's some library thing that themes gtk to look like qt
Jun 24 18:09:04 <summatusmentis> gives it more of a consistent UI
Jun 24 18:09:19 <summatusmentis> still not perfect though
Jun 24 18:10:55 <Loudergood> qtcurve
Jun 24 18:11:40 <Loudergood> I'm typing this in a krdc window to a remote windows machine so consistency isn't really a concern to me
Jun 24 18:12:23 <Loudergood> kde doesn't do the elegant thing very well anyway
Jun 24 18:12:43 <summatusmentis> consistency/elegance matter a lot to me, it really bugs me when a UI isn't consisten
Jun 24 18:12:48 <summatusmentis> consistent*
Jun 24 18:12:53 <summatusmentis> (which is why I run a mac, mostly)
Jun 24 18:15:14 <Loudergood> my first home pc was a dos/windows 3.1 environment
Jun 24 18:15:22 <Loudergood> nothing was consistent back then..
Jun 24 18:15:51 <NuttyBunny> summatusmentis: I need a library that makes QT apps look like GTK :P
Jun 24 18:16:03 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: there might be something similar
Jun 24 18:16:45 <NuttyBunny> I'll try this kdenlive. I'm used to Adobe Premiere, anything harder than that I'm not learning, I just don't need it :)
Jun 24 18:21:06 * sugardave just learned something awesome.
Jun 24 18:21:19 <sugardave> but I can't tell anybody :(
Jun 24 18:21:35 <summatusmentis> well, then don't mention it publicly, duh
Jun 24 18:21:49 <sugardave> fail
Jun 24 18:22:14 <summatusmentis> will you be able to tell people in a week?
Jun 24 18:22:38 <sugardave> maybe
Jun 24 18:22:53 <summatusmentis> bah
Jun 24 18:22:54 <LoneStar99> sugardave: what awesome thing did you learn?
Jun 24 18:22:56 <sugardave> that all depends on chuqui
Jun 24 18:23:17 <chuqui> WHO CALLS OUT THE NAME OF THE CHUQUI?
Jun 24 18:23:28 <summatusmentis> sugardave needs your permission to tell us something awesome
Jun 24 18:23:29 <destinal> lol
Jun 24 18:23:44 <scoinvPre> I hate to ask but... has anyone received the Verizon OTA Pre2 update???
Jun 24 18:24:31 <Flashpass> i didn't even realize they hadn't been bumped yet
Jun 24 18:24:40 <summatusmentis> scoinvPre: nope.
Jun 24 18:24:49 <summatusmentis> but then again, I'm on a Pre- on Sprint :-P
Jun 24 18:25:05 <scoinvPre> Twitter is buzzing about it but it's just retweets of the same article.
Jun 24 18:25:13 <LoneStar99> what ever happened to the HP slate?
Jun 24 18:25:28 <rwatkins> b<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://code.jquery.com/mobile/1.0b1/jquery.mobile-1.0b1.min.css" />
Jun 24 18:25:31 <rwatkins> <script src="http://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.6.1.min.js"></script>
Jun 24 18:25:33 <rwatkins> whoops!
Jun 24 18:25:56 <Popple3> chuqui: Any chance you could take a look at the PM I sent you on the forum about changing email address? Waiting for Gmail to pull in my emails from my old account is quite annoying
Jun 24 18:26:09 <scoinvPre> LoneStar99, webOS TouchPad is on the way. HP Slate probably comes a few months after.
Jun 24 18:26:12 <rwatkins> remember kids, always know where your mouse focus is.
Jun 24 18:26:25 <chuqui> don't pm me about that, send an email to pdc. I'll take care of it, maybe this weekend (but it may slip to next week)
Jun 24 18:26:43 <Popple3> chuqui: Ok, perfect. I just stumbled across a thread where you said to PM
Jun 24 18:27:08 <chuqui> sugardave:  for mentioning that which can not be mentioned, three whacks with the rancid salmon of contrition.
Jun 24 18:27:35 <chuqui> Popple3:  just easier if I get it in email, so I can put it in the right folder without losing it.
Jun 24 18:27:42 <LoneStar99> the slate will run windows?
Jun 24 18:27:56 <chuqui> Popple3:  the php PM system is -- awkward.
Jun 24 18:28:32 <Popple3> chuqui: Grand, I'll fire off an email when I get a chance. There's no major rush on it anyway
Jun 24 18:28:38 * rwatkins just got delivered something awesome.  But cant tell anybody.
Jun 24 18:29:05 * Popple3 just got something awesome, and can tell people, but chooses not to
Jun 24 18:29:09 <Popple3> :P
Jun 24 18:29:11 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 24 18:29:20 <Popple3> ok, it was a pizza
Jun 24 18:29:26 <chuqui> I just answered an email. I am awesome.
Jun 24 18:29:38 <summatusmentis> was it mine?
Jun 24 18:29:44 * summatusmentis checks
Jun 24 18:29:52 <summatusmentis> hrm, nope
Jun 24 18:29:53 <rwatkins> did see the other day at the NYC webOS dev meetup that Richard Kerris has a nice phone too.
Jun 24 18:30:40 <sugardave> chuqui: but I didn't mention anything :D  I'm just teasing the rabble, getting them excited
Jun 24 18:33:29 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: you'll get another three wacks just for making chuqui whack you before ;)
Jun 24 18:33:36 <chuqui> sugardave: okay, one whack with the rancid salmon of contrition, just because.
Jun 24 18:33:45 <NuttyBunny> see?
Jun 24 18:33:46 <NuttyBunny> :D
Jun 24 18:34:03 <rwatkins> your too busy, make him whack himself.
Jun 24 18:34:13 <sugardave> :/
Jun 24 18:34:17 <chuqui> NuttyBunny: THE CHUQUI DEMANDS... A SHRUBBERY!
Jun 24 18:34:51 <chuqui> rwatkins: boy, I could get myself in trouble right around now. but I won't.
Jun 24 18:34:51 <Popple3> rwatkins: I don't event want to begin to tell what I inferred from that... -__-
Jun 24 18:34:58 <rwatkins> :)
Jun 24 18:36:08 <sugardave> rwatkins: are you advising my wife?
Jun 24 18:36:18 <sugardave> (hope HR doesn't read these logs)
Jun 24 18:36:41 <Flashpass> way too much whacking goin on
Jun 24 18:36:54 <rwatkins> all up there archived on the web and searchable.
Jun 24 18:36:54 <summatusmentis> never enough whacking goig on
Jun 24 18:37:01 <Flashpass> touche
Jun 24 18:42:03 * NuttyBunny never saw Monty Python ... I might as well :D
Jun 24 18:42:16 <sugardave> oh man, you should
Jun 24 18:42:18 <NuttyBunny> But I'll say.. Ni!!!
Jun 24 18:42:23 <rwatkins> heresy!
Jun 24 18:42:40 <summatusmentis> hear-say
Jun 24 18:43:55 <Popple3> hear say? http://www.djspook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Hearsay-Pure-And-Simple-354284.jpg
Jun 24 18:44:11 <summatusmentis> I... what? that's a band?
Jun 24 18:44:25 <NuttyBunny> Cut down a tree with a herring?? hahahahaha
Jun 24 18:44:39 <Popple3> unfortunately
Jun 24 18:44:47 <Popple3> well, more a group, not a band :P
Jun 24 18:44:51 <summatusmentis> well, ok
Jun 24 18:45:48 <summatusmentis> bahaha, "Hear'Say were a British manufactured pop group created in February 2001 from the winners of Popstars"
Jun 24 18:46:01 <summatusmentis> "The group split eighteen months after their formation."
Jun 24 18:46:04 <summatusmentis> awesome
Jun 24 18:46:12 * summatusmentis buys the entire discography
Jun 24 18:46:23 <Popple3> manufactured pop FTW
Jun 24 18:48:16 <Popple3> damn Mac App Store crashing on me :(
Jun 24 18:48:44 * NuttyBunny fires up Transmission ;)
Jun 24 18:48:44 <NuttyBunny> (and goes back to work)
Jun 24 18:49:00 <summatusmentis> hah, according to wiki, the 5 people who lost the show Popstars formed a group, and put out more albums than Hear'Say
Jun 24 18:49:21 <summatusmentis> and also lasted longer
Jun 24 18:54:39 <NuttyBunny> I love talking dogs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Jun 24 18:57:10 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: Best talking dog vid ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw :P
Jun 24 19:03:37 <torchie> touchpad walmart demos!
Jun 24 19:08:01 <twbbas> Breaking news: New TouchPad tablet rooted well before launch!
Jun 24 19:08:09 <twbbas> inspired from: https://twitter.com/#!/droid_life/status/84335986317864960
Jun 24 19:08:45 <destinal> twbbas: lol
Jun 24 19:09:20 <summatusmentis> maybe this is a stupid question, the TP still has dev mode right?
Jun 24 19:09:30 <twbbas> I'm sure it does
Jun 24 19:09:49 <destinal> I bet we'd have heard reports by the devs at the events held so far if not
Jun 24 19:10:02 <destinal> that would be a hard thing to keep quiet
Jun 24 19:10:37 <summatusmentis> except they haven't let anyone touch one, right?
Jun 24 19:10:50 <twbbas> Go to your local walmart and see :D
Jun 24 19:10:53 <destinal> I thought they had
Jun 24 19:11:08 <twbbas> While you're at it, bring a netbook and load Preware on it
Jun 24 19:11:36 <destinal> hmm, wonder if we can load preware without usb...
Jun 24 19:11:55 <summatusmentis> I've been wondering the same thing, it'd be neat to be able to do it directly from the device
Jun 24 19:12:05 <twbbas> destinal: Do you mean without plugging it into a computer? No.
Jun 24 19:12:21 <twbbas> I doubt it ever will be possible, really.
Jun 24 19:12:24 <summatusmentis> how come?
Jun 24 19:12:25 <destinal> twbbas: I didn't mean have we done it yet,  I mean could we..
Jun 24 19:12:37 <destinal> I know we haven't done it yet :)
Jun 24 19:12:41 <twbbas> You'd need to be able to install an app from inside another app that comes either from the app catalog or installed on the device at stock
Jun 24 19:12:57 <destinal> twbbas: or the browser
Jun 24 19:13:17 <PatrickC> what'd I miss?
Jun 24 19:13:19 <twbbas> destinal: True. But if that any of that happens, it'd be a major security flaw and would be patched quickly
Jun 24 19:13:20 <summatusmentis> yeh, couldn't you in theory just download the ipk?
Jun 24 19:13:31 <Bradmeister1> do the apple folks still jailbreak from the browser?
Jun 24 19:13:33 <twbbas> summatusmentis: You'd need to download and instal the ipk
Jun 24 19:13:34 <destinal> twbbas: yes, that's true.  I imagine it will:)
Jun 24 19:13:49 <summatusmentis> twbbas: and you can't do that from the webos browser?
Jun 24 19:14:00 <PatrickC> Bradmeister1: I don't think jailbreakme is working for newer builds
Jun 24 19:14:01 <summatusmentis> Bradmeister1: I don't know if jailbreakme still works
Jun 24 19:14:13 <PatrickC> last I checked it didn't
Jun 24 19:14:26 <Bradmeister1> hmmm...
Jun 24 19:14:34 <twbbas> summatusmentis: You can't install an ipk from the browser
Jun 24 19:14:39 <PatrickC> I'm looking for beta testers for yet another app. PM me if interested
Jun 24 19:14:43 <destinal> would you still consider it a huge security flaw if dev mode had to be enabled for it to work?
Jun 24 19:14:56 <PatrickC> destinal: nope
Jun 24 19:15:00 <twbbas> destinal: Depends
Jun 24 19:15:01 <summatusmentis> can you run .sh scripts directly from the device?
Jun 24 19:15:07 <summatusmentis> (without a terminal)
Jun 24 19:15:13 <PatrickC> it would be *almost* the same as installing it with a computer
Jun 24 19:15:15 <twbbas> destinal: I'd consider it a major security flaw if there was no confirmation from the user to do it
Jun 24 19:15:44 <PatrickC> twbbas: I think that doing it from the browser would be amazing
Jun 24 19:15:54 <sugardave> in case you're wondering, yes there is dev mode on TouchPads
Jun 24 19:16:07 <PatrickC> yes!
Jun 24 19:16:12 <summatusmentis> I wasn't really worried, but good to know
Jun 24 19:16:39 <destinal> sugardave: nice.  I'm glad HP isn't giving up on that  (though I know in enterprises you can disable dev mode for your people, probably via activesync profiles)
Jun 24 19:16:52 <Bradmeister1> has anyone tried to open a script from an email?
Jun 24 19:17:08 <Bradmeister1> without internal installed
Jun 24 19:17:20 <destinal> Bradmeister1: it shouldn't work
Jun 24 19:17:35 <destinal> no association etc
Jun 24 19:17:37 <sugardave> destinal: yeah, I'm not privvy to the security plans, so not sure how they're going to accomplish it
Jun 24 19:18:13 <destinal> and of course people will find a way to still get root despite their enterprise configuration (evil hax0rs)
Jun 24 19:18:23 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:18:24 <sugardave> bastiges!
Jun 24 19:18:54 <anoopamagarwal> I am new to webos how do we store files in an application
Jun 24 19:19:00 <summatusmentis> just tried to download bit.ly/preware-bootstrap on my pre, browser didn't know what to do with it
Jun 24 19:19:19 <sugardave> anoopamagarwal: you just put them somewhere in your app root
Jun 24 19:19:19 <PatrickC> anoopamagarwal: mojo.cookie
Jun 24 19:19:47 <sugardave> anoopamagarwal: actual files your app needs or "files" you want to create?
Jun 24 19:20:10 <anoopamagarwal> files that are creted in the app
Jun 24 19:20:34 <sugardave> anoopamagarwal: so that's a little more difficult
Jun 24 19:21:02 <anoopamagarwal> like they are essentially text files
Jun 24 19:21:05 <sugardave> you will either need a node.js service to write the file for you, or a PDK app (or hybrid PDK/SDK app)
Jun 24 19:22:04 <anoopamagarwal> I havent used node.js
Jun 24 19:23:06 <sugardave> anoopamagarwal: the SDK should have a basic service sample
Jun 24 19:23:10 <sugardave> it's pretty basic however
Jun 24 19:23:36 <anoopamagarwal> ok ill check it out thanks
Jun 24 19:23:52 <PatrickC> time to work on YMP
Jun 24 19:24:10 <torchie> so does touchpad pretty much not have rear camera :(
Jun 24 19:24:31 <sugardave> anoopamagarwal: you can also go the long way around the barn and if you have a server, you can use downloadManager to upload it, then download it again to the location you want
Jun 24 19:24:39 <twbbas> torchie: It doesn't and I have no problem with it not having one
Jun 24 19:24:46 <sugardave> but that eats battery/network resources
Jun 24 19:25:02 <torchie> i have problem
Jun 24 19:25:22 <anoopamagarwal> hmm thats true and also I need to work offline as well
Jun 24 19:25:34 <sugardave> yeah, so that's not a good solution
Jun 24 19:25:54 <torchie> the only use for a tablet rear camera isn't holding a 10 inch slate in the air to look dumb as everyone likes to use in apologist arguments
Jun 24 19:26:00 <PatrickC> sugardave: does the touchpad have a rear camera?
Jun 24 19:26:54 <sugardave> haven't made it to Wal-Mart yet? :D
Jun 24 19:27:08 <PatrickC> not yet :)
Jun 24 19:27:11 <summatusmentis> some of us live 45 minutes away from a walmart
Jun 24 19:27:31 * PatrickC just hasn't gone yet
Jun 24 19:27:37 <dohtem> there are 4 within 20 miles of me
Jun 24 19:27:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:27:58 <halfhalo> some people, like me, refuse to shop at wallmart
Jun 24 19:28:11 <twbbas> The best times to shop at Walmart is at 3am
Jun 24 19:28:14 <summatusmentis> it's not shopping if you go in and look :)
Jun 24 19:28:20 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:28:23 <sugardave> hahaha
Jun 24 19:28:32 <sugardave> but, no, no rear camera on the TouchPad
Jun 24 19:28:37 <torchie> shopping at walmart at 3AM just sounds like the fastest way to die
Jun 24 19:28:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:28:45 <twbbas> by laughing yourself to death
Jun 24 19:28:52 <torchie> on a side note
Jun 24 19:28:56 <torchie> i hear there are like
Jun 24 19:28:58 <torchie> no walmarts in NYC
Jun 24 19:29:03 <twbbas> Wow, really?
Jun 24 19:29:08 <torchie> yeah
Jun 24 19:29:09 <PatrickC> what?!
Jun 24 19:29:12 <NuttyBunny> I checked my local Walmart
Jun 24 19:29:12 <NuttyBunny> nothing yet
Jun 24 19:29:30 <twbbas> Has anyone seen that Walmart music video by Mr. Ghetto?
Jun 24 19:29:36 <halfhalo> do i want to...
Jun 24 19:29:39 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: don't expect it for a while :)
Jun 24 19:29:45 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Jun 24 19:29:46 <twbbas> It's pretty funny
Jun 24 19:29:48 <PatrickC> halfhalo: probably not
Jun 24 19:30:10 <summatusmentis> halfhalo: so, are you getting a launch day TP?
Jun 24 19:30:16 <torchie> gonna chalk quality of life in an area up to three things
Jun 24 19:30:34 <halfhalo> i dunno yet.  either i will, or wait until the three gees are out
Jun 24 19:30:35 <torchie> walkability, proximity to water, lack of walmarts
Jun 24 19:30:48 <dohtem> is anyone prepping a book on Enyo?
Jun 24 19:31:17 <PatrickC> I will be
Jun 24 19:31:27 <twbbas> "We going to Wally Wally Wally Wally-World!"
Jun 24 19:31:29 <PatrickC> it'll be on http://simpletutorials.org once its done
Jun 24 19:31:34 <sugardave> I expect I'll NEED to have a 3G one, as well...you know, for testing
Jun 24 19:31:46 <dohtem> glutton!
Jun 24 19:31:51 <summatusmentis> sugardave: uh huh, testing
Jun 24 19:31:53 * PatrickC kicks sugardave
Jun 24 19:32:21 <halfhalo> PatrickC: don't you _not_ know javascript? how the hell are you going to write a book without knowing the language that the framework is in
Jun 24 19:32:47 <PatrickC> Enyo is much easier for me
Jun 24 19:33:08 <PatrickC> and, its a series of tutorials, not a book
Jun 24 19:33:37 <dohtem> this doesn't sound promising...
Jun 24 19:33:38 <summatusmentis> look, just because you don't know something doesn't mean you can't write about it
Jun 24 19:33:53 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:34:24 <summatusmentis> (this is the part where I'd normally make a political comment, but I'm refraining for all of you)
Jun 24 19:35:38 <sugardave> I totally wrote the Mojo DB wiki shit without "knowing" much about anything js/mojo-related at that point
Jun 24 19:35:41 <sugardave> ymmv
Jun 24 19:36:10 <oil> lol
Jun 24 19:36:23 <dohtem> he admits this after they hire him!
Jun 24 19:36:31 <oil> haha
Jun 24 19:36:34 <sugardave> it was 2 years ago!
Jun 24 19:36:38 <dohtem> heh
Jun 24 19:37:00 <sugardave> it's pretty good, though ;)
Jun 24 19:37:02 <dohtem> sugardave is my hero
Jun 24 19:37:42 <sugardave> aww, thanks!
Jun 24 19:38:38 <summatusmentis> sugardaveis my own personal brand of heroin
Jun 24 19:39:00 <summatusmentis> sugardave is*
Jun 24 19:39:18 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/touchpad-dummies-book-already-works
Jun 24 19:40:48 <oil> PatrickC adds to card?
Jun 24 19:40:58 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:41:56 <sugardave> somadave
Jun 24 19:42:04 <twbbas> Who needs TouchPad for dummies when we have Precentral Tip of the Day?
Jun 24 19:42:36 <summatusmentis> people who still think the For Dummies books are worth the cost
Jun 24 19:42:38 * oil just waits for sugardave to teach him enyo
Jun 24 19:43:50 <phoque_uni> oil, teach yourself. it's dead-easy
Jun 24 19:43:58 <oil> but but but
Jun 24 19:44:10 <summatusmentis> I've been having trouble wrapping my brain around it, completely
Jun 24 19:44:11 <sugardave> oil: stop making work for me, I have plenty :P
Jun 24 19:44:15 <summatusmentis> but I haven't put a lot fo time into it
Jun 24 19:44:27 <oil> eaching me IS your job!
Jun 24 19:44:33 <oil> teaching*
Jun 24 19:44:35 <dohtem> eatinig*
Jun 24 19:44:40 <dohtem> damn, not quick enough
Jun 24 19:44:52 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 24 19:44:55 <sugardave> summatusmentis: step 1, forget all the Mojo
Jun 24 19:45:11 <twbbas> +1
Jun 24 19:45:17 <PatrickC> step 2: call sugardave daily
Jun 24 19:45:30 * oil has him on speeddial
Jun 24 19:45:33 <twbbas> step 1.5: Bribe sugardave for his phone number
Jun 24 19:45:35 <oil> #2
Jun 24 19:45:35 <summatusmentis> sugardave: the major issue I think is I keep bouncing between the C code that I'm writing for work, and the weird declaration model of enyo components
Jun 24 19:45:40 <oil> #1 is momma
Jun 24 19:45:45 <dohtem> step 2, disregard you users' begging for updates on current mojo apps
Jun 24 19:45:51 <sugardave> summatusmentis: it's JSON :D
Jun 24 19:45:56 <summatusmentis> it's weird
Jun 24 19:45:57 <sugardave> that's it :D
Jun 24 19:46:01 <twbbas> I don't use speed dial. I Just Type :D
Jun 24 19:46:06 <summatusmentis> we don't have JSON in C :)
Jun 24 19:46:07 <oil> mojo works fine on the touchpad
Jun 24 19:46:09 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 19:46:16 <oil> see the next releases of preware/wirc
Jun 24 19:46:25 <PatrickC> how big is the touchpad's screen?
Jun 24 19:46:28 <PatrickC> 9.7" ?
Jun 24 19:46:30 <twbbas> 9.7"
Jun 24 19:46:42 <sugardave> sure, it does great...preware can install .ipks on my TouchPad and it is awesome :D
Jun 24 19:46:43 <summatusmentis> sugardave: they other issue is that I'm sorta learning the web dev stuff alongside the enyo stuff
Jun 24 19:46:48 <hotdp_pre> how much does enyo compare to sencha touch
Jun 24 19:46:51 <hotdp_pre> ?
Jun 24 19:47:17 <dohtem> http://consumerist.com/2011/06/fedex-delivers-my-packages-to-the-garbage-can-trash-collectors-deliver-packages-to-back-of-garbage-t.html -- FedEx ftw
Jun 24 19:47:27 <sugardave> I can't say, really...I've never used Sencha
Jun 24 19:48:20 <sugardave> summatusmentis: yeah, I learned my web dev from Mojo, too...I still have a lot of catching up to do for things outside webOS
Jun 24 19:48:36 <PatrickC> sugardave: same here
Jun 24 19:48:45 <anoopamagarwal> is sencha another framework?
Jun 24 19:48:56 <phoque_uni> Mojo isn't anything like "the real web"
Jun 24 19:48:59 <oil> sugardave doesn't know? i was told sugardave knows all!
Jun 24 19:49:00 <phoque_uni> nor is Enyo
Jun 24 19:49:12 <phoque_uni> they use the same technology but in a completely different way
Jun 24 19:49:21 <summatusmentis> sugardave: but the biggest issue for me is transitioning between this weird... what did you call it? JSON?... thing and C code :-P
Jun 24 19:49:42 <twbbas> http://www.precentral.net/touchpad-emulator-beta-5-leak-reveals-mojo-compatibility-mode-exclusive
Jun 24 19:49:43 <sugardave> phoque_uni: you are right, but things I didn't know forced me to look up how you would do it on the "real web" and try to apply those techniques to my Mojo apps
Jun 24 19:49:51 <twbbas> Does anyone else think that screenshot looks like a new phone design?
Jun 24 19:50:20 <dohtem> dude, an hour + google and you'll know all the json you need most of the time
Jun 24 19:50:21 <summatusmentis> twbbas: it looks like a design
Jun 24 19:50:26 <oil> awesome
Jun 24 19:50:27 <oil> haha
Jun 24 19:50:28 <summatusmentis> if that's a phone, I'm scared
Jun 24 19:50:39 <summatusmentis> dohtem: I know, json isn't that hard, I'm trolling
Jun 24 19:50:48 <dohtem> ah
Jun 24 19:50:51 <twbbas> Well, I mean a phone could have a bigger screen but keep that design
Jun 24 19:51:04 <summatusmentis> seems really square
Jun 24 19:51:10 <twbbas> I mean, it doesn't look anything like a Pre 3
Jun 24 19:51:12 <summatusmentis> I like the "pebble" design
Jun 24 19:51:49 * summatusmentis &
Jun 24 19:52:17 * oil too
Jun 24 19:52:20 <oil> GTFO SLABPHONE
Jun 24 19:52:42 <torchie> when can we get a 3.5-3.7 slate :(
Jun 24 19:52:43 <dohtem> someone get this man a soapbox!
Jun 24 19:52:49 <sugardave> oil: re: me knowing all....someone sold you a bill of goods, didn't they?
Jun 24 19:53:21 <torchie> that way there can be a durable-by-design phone and HP would be forced to design phone webOS to use software keyboard
Jun 24 19:53:46 <oil> GTFO SOFTWAREKEYBOARD
Jun 24 19:53:47 <torchie> instead of that mess of hardware keyboard + gesture area shortcuts
Jun 24 19:54:12 <oil> if by mess you mean awesomeness, i agree
Jun 24 19:54:27 <dohtem> http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/06/microsoft-is-helping-joyent-po.php - Node.js is coming to Windows
Jun 24 19:54:30 <torchie> lets get real here
Jun 24 19:54:54 <torchie> iphone never had a hardware keyboard and its copy paste implementation wrecks the shit of every competitor
Jun 24 19:54:55 <PatrickC> is this real life?
Jun 24 19:54:59 <torchie> is this just fantasy?
Jun 24 19:55:07 <oil> caught in a landslide?
Jun 24 19:55:12 <torchie> an escape from reality.
Jun 24 19:55:20 <oil> open your eyes!
Jun 24 19:55:30 <phoque_uni> torchie, everything else regarding iOS UX is crap though
Jun 24 19:55:38 <oil> awwwwww
Jun 24 19:55:44 <torchie> which parts of the iOS ux?
Jun 24 19:55:55 <torchie> the fluid hardware accelerated animations in every part of the phone?
Jun 24 19:56:19 <torchie> the notification system that wrecks android's shit?
Jun 24 19:56:22 <phoque_uni> multitasking, modal dialogs, the new notification center
Jun 24 19:56:24 <oil> how is gesture+a then c to select all and copy
Jun 24 19:56:30 <torchie> the multitasking system that never slows down the phone?
Jun 24 19:56:33 <oil> then gesture+v to paste not awesome?
Jun 24 19:56:53 <PatrickC> torchie: it slows down my friends itouch all the time
Jun 24 19:56:54 <torchie> the orientation lock built-in?
Jun 24 19:57:20 <phoque_uni> torchie, you're trying to counter the items on my list by completely unrelated items on your list
Jun 24 19:57:28 <torchie> what are the items on your list
Jun 24 19:57:28 * oil didn't know torchie was such a apple fan  :)
Jun 24 19:57:38 <phoque_uni> multitasking and notifications
Jun 24 19:57:47 <torchie> the notifications have been fixed in iOS5
Jun 24 19:57:52 <phoque_uni> no they havent
Jun 24 19:57:54 <sugardave> 5
Jun 24 19:57:57 <PatrickC> by stealing android
Jun 24 19:57:58 <phoque_uni> not if you're used to WebOS
Jun 24 19:57:59 <PatrickC> 's idea
Jun 24 19:58:02 <oil> is it fixed if its not released?
Jun 24 19:58:07 <sugardave> we don't even have 3 yet
Jun 24 19:58:11 <PatrickC> oil: exactly
Jun 24 19:58:13 <sugardave> we win
Jun 24 19:58:19 <PatrickC> sugardave: YES!
Jun 24 19:58:55 <torchie> i'm at a point where I'm beginning to doubt how awesome stacks and cards really are
Jun 24 19:59:10 <twbbas> http://www.precentral.net/another-touchpad-gets-demo-treatment-wal-mart
Jun 24 19:59:12 <phoque_uni> what made you think that?
Jun 24 19:59:14 <torchie> when a pre- takes longer to start things and stutters compared to a similarly specced 3GS
Jun 24 19:59:17 <twbbas> Hmm, box.net offering 50GB free for TouchPad?
Jun 24 19:59:21 <twbbas> (From that video)
Jun 24 19:59:32 <twbbas> about 4:45
Jun 24 19:59:35 <torchie> and a touchpad lags in the photo viewer compared to a first gen ipad
Jun 24 19:59:58 <twbbas> torchie: Where have you seen the lag at?
Jun 24 20:00:03 <torchie> walmart demo video
Jun 24 20:00:31 <PatrickC> torchie: this is the *1st GEN TouchPad*
Jun 24 20:00:43 <PatrickC> of course its going to be slower then the next gen
Jun 24 20:00:55 <torchie> i said first gen ipad
Jun 24 20:01:01 <torchie> the one from 2010
Jun 24 20:01:03 <halfhalo> your a fist gen
Jun 24 20:01:27 <PatrickC> torchie: you seem to expect it to be better then the iPad2 at launch
Jun 24 20:01:31 <torchie> i said
Jun 24 20:01:32 <torchie> ipad 1
Jun 24 20:01:41 <PatrickC> I saw
Jun 24 20:02:04 <PatrickC> but you seem to assume it should be totally untouchable at launch (and it pretty much is)
Jun 24 20:02:18 <oil> when it comes down to it, i prefer the company that embraces homebrew
Jun 24 20:02:25 <torchie> as do i
Jun 24 20:02:28 <oil> and doesn't call me a terrorist for hacking at the device i payed for
Jun 24 20:02:34 <torchie> but sometimes I wonder.
Jun 24 20:02:36 <halfhalo> oil: you terrorist
Jun 24 20:02:48 <sugardave> as the os matures, I would hope to see some speed increases, but there will always be a slightly longer delay for any of the non-compiled apps versus compiled apps
Jun 24 20:03:15 <torchie> maybe they should go with compiled apps then
Jun 24 20:03:22 <oil> you can
Jun 24 20:03:23 <oil> PDK
Jun 24 20:03:40 <twbbas> ^
Jun 24 20:03:51 <sugardave> developer choice ftw
Jun 24 20:04:14 <oil> and they dont care which computer you use to develop on
Jun 24 20:04:21 <oil> computer/os
Jun 24 20:04:28 <phoque_uni> torchie, that changes with Enyo
Jun 24 20:04:32 <phoque_uni> not the speed
Jun 24 20:04:35 <twbbas> You'll most likely even be able to develop on the TouchPad
Jun 24 20:04:47 <torchie> develop for touchpad on touchpad would be awesome
Jun 24 20:04:47 <phoque_uni> but the advantage of using it on any WebKit browser is just immense
Jun 24 20:04:49 <twbbas> I know they're thinking/working on it
Jun 24 20:05:19 <sugardave> I wonder if Ares gets updated for Enyo if you can just use Ares on the TouchPad...that would be pretty bad-ass
Jun 24 20:05:27 <torchie> well if they ever dump all the java stuff
Jun 24 20:05:43 <oil> they did dump java in 2.x
Jun 24 20:05:44 <sugardave> Java is gone as of 2.x, I thought
Jun 24 20:05:49 <torchie> for ares?
Jun 24 20:05:53 <oil> oh
Jun 24 20:05:54 <sugardave> oh no
Jun 24 20:05:57 <oil> the java there is just the bridge to device
Jun 24 20:05:59 <torchie> last I used the ares environment you still needed java
Jun 24 20:06:08 <sugardave> that's true, good point
Jun 24 20:06:22 <torchie> so in theory since you don't need to bridge to the device, on the device, you can rock ares mobile on a touchpad
Jun 24 20:06:22 <phoque_uni> just for services, right?
Jun 24 20:06:24 <oil> its just so it can talk to and push your app to the device hooked up to your computer
Jun 24 20:06:51 <twbbas> All you need is internalz and you can theoretically develop on device already but an enyo app made by HP strictly for developing would be amazing
Jun 24 20:06:58 <twbbas> Then you wouldn't need an internet connection for Ares
Jun 24 20:07:07 <sugardave> even better :D
Jun 24 20:07:19 <torchie> would dig
Jun 24 20:07:19 <phoque_uni> I wouldn'T want to develop on a TouchPad
Jun 24 20:07:26 * oil either
Jun 24 20:07:29 <twbbas> I wouldn't want to use it as my main source
Jun 24 20:07:33 <twbbas> but like in the car... or something
Jun 24 20:07:36 <torchie> commit to git
Jun 24 20:07:36 <torchie> done
Jun 24 20:07:37 <twbbas> road trips?
Jun 24 20:07:41 <oil> laptop
Jun 24 20:07:45 <twbbas> heh
Jun 24 20:07:58 <twbbas> Long road trips where laptop dies :D
Jun 24 20:08:12 <torchie> my main issue with long typing on tablet would be picking up the complete keyboard-device solution
Jun 24 20:08:19 <twbbas> I'd just like to have the option to develop on device
Jun 24 20:08:19 <oil> cigarette lighter adaptor
Jun 24 20:08:32 <torchie> yeah it would be great to develop on device for device
Jun 24 20:08:46 <PatrickC> ^^ +1
Jun 24 20:08:48 <oil> while cool, i dont think i would ever use it
Jun 24 20:08:56 <twbbas> I'd use it but not that often
Jun 24 20:08:56 <torchie> is a 1.2ghz next gen snapdragon not enough to compile some arm code or what?
Jun 24 20:08:58 * oil prefers his keyboard and multimonitor setup
Jun 24 20:09:06 <sugardave> no, but I'd like to be able to modify source quickly if I'm hit with a stroke of genius and I'm away from my house or something
Jun 24 20:09:20 <torchie> i'd like to keep going if my laptop dies
Jun 24 20:09:20 <NuttyBunny> Well, Ares *might* run on-device, it only uses java for emulator communication and file uploading
Jun 24 20:09:27 <twbbas> I can think of lots of times where I don't want to bring my laptop around campus yet have a few hours to spare. Having my TouchPad to be able to work on apps would be great
Jun 24 20:09:35 <torchie> and the battery life!
Jun 24 20:09:43 <oil> you carry a manpurse for your tp?
Jun 24 20:09:49 <twbbas> Backpack
Jun 24 20:09:51 <NuttyBunny> Internalz can edit text files :)
Jun 24 20:09:52 <oil> heh
Jun 24 20:09:57 <twbbas> Laptop doesn't fit at easily in my backpack
Jun 24 20:10:01 <twbbas> + it's heavy
Jun 24 20:10:01 <torchie> when you're coding it's just rocking a text editor
Jun 24 20:10:06 <phoque_uni> wow, the iPhone 3GS has the same processor as the Pre-?
Jun 24 20:10:11 <phoque_uni> I'm shocked
Jun 24 20:10:12 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: I mentioned Internalz earlier
Jun 24 20:10:26 <phoque_uni> torchie, that IS quite a speed-difference for the same processor
Jun 24 20:10:46 <torchie> and these tablet devices tend to last 10 hours at PEAK operation
Jun 24 20:11:07 <torchie> on a text editor you could just code forever
Jun 24 20:11:27 <torchie> phoque_uni: what's crazier is considering how smooth the iphone was in its first generation with that no-name 400mhz processor it had
Jun 24 20:11:40 <phoque_uni> torchie, agreed
Jun 24 20:11:45 <torchie> compared to snapdragon and omap 36xx android devices
Jun 24 20:12:14 <torchie> droid x homescreen made me want to gag
Jun 24 20:12:22 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: meh.. sorry, backlog's too big ;)
Jun 24 20:12:27 <PatrickC> Evo 3D made me drool
Jun 24 20:12:40 <torchie> yeah that thing's got a p nice screen
Jun 24 20:13:02 <oil> 3d, meh
Jun 24 20:13:07 <oil> no gimmicks for me thanks
Jun 24 20:13:08 <torchie> too much gimmick and HTC and not enough battery life and stock android and onboard memory for me though
Jun 24 20:13:15 <torchie> just gonna stick to nexus 4g
Jun 24 20:13:29 <PatrickC> oil: its not a gimmick.. its got real 3D
Jun 24 20:13:37 <PatrickC> played with one a few days ago
Jun 24 20:13:41 <torchie> 3D is a gimmick no matter how real or fake it is
Jun 24 20:13:42 <oil> just because its "real 3d" doesn't mean its not a gimmick
Jun 24 20:14:29 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 24 20:14:33 <Epyon22> noun /ˈgimik/ 
Jun 24 20:14:33 <Epyon22> gimmicks, plural
Jun 24 20:14:33 <Epyon22>     A trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business
Jun 24 20:14:45 <Epyon22> i'd say it is
Jun 24 20:14:59 <torchie> it's a waste of resources, battery life, R&D, software polishing, eye strain for a minority of users and dissatisfaction for those who were expecting 3D _everywhere_ but for which there are no ground-up solutions for it in software besides nintendo's
Jun 24 20:15:02 <torchie> which
Jun 24 20:15:02 <torchie> is failing
Jun 24 20:15:37 <torchie> similar to the dual screen tomfoolery on the kyocera echo
Jun 24 20:16:04 <oil> lol, tomfoolery is such a great word
Jun 24 20:16:04 <torchie> well maybe not that similar
Jun 24 20:16:09 <sugardave> tomfoolery?  why, the nerve of those rapscallions!
Jun 24 20:16:17 <torchie> since the evo 3D still works
Jun 24 20:16:36 <torchie> and so does the 3DS...
Jun 24 20:18:34 <Epyon22> ugh i hate exchange emails
Jun 24 20:18:54 <Epyon22> *ms exchange
Jun 24 20:19:01 * oil goes back to work
Jun 24 20:19:44 <PatrickC> Rumored Sprint Q3 Product Roadmap Does NOT Include webOS @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/rumored-sprint-q3-product-roadmap-does-not-include-webos/
Jun 24 20:20:53 <Epyon22> :_(
Jun 24 20:21:04 <PatrickC> _rumor_ though
Jun 24 20:21:09 <PatrickC> still could be fake..
Jun 24 20:22:29 <Epyon22> if that is true nexus s here i come
Jun 24 20:22:32 <sugardave> I still have to decide if I'm going to hold on to my Sprint account or not :/  I have until there's definitive news about the Pre 3 and where it's going
Jun 24 20:22:37 <torchie> already coming
Jun 24 20:22:49 <torchie> does anybody at all have the pre 3 on their roadmap
Jun 24 20:22:51 <torchie> i guess at&t might
Jun 24 20:22:57 <PatrickC> vzw will
Jun 24 20:22:58 <Epyon22> at&t and vz
Jun 24 20:23:12 <PatrickC> sprint BETTER
Jun 24 20:23:17 <Epyon22> both either rumored or confimred mid july
Jun 24 20:23:31 <torchie> maybe a webos slate phone on sprint someday
Jun 24 20:23:32 <Epyon22> i cant remember which
Jun 24 20:23:35 <torchie> someday like 2013
Jun 24 20:25:06 <PatrickC> torchie: don't jinx it
Jun 24 20:25:11 <PatrickC> Adora: hey
Jun 24 20:25:24 * torchie fingercross
Jun 24 20:25:30 <halfhalo> notgonnahappen
Jun 24 20:25:39 <nyc_n1t3_rid3r_3> i'm ready to switch
Jun 24 20:25:46 <torchie> webos on sprint by 2013 not gonna happen?
Jun 24 20:25:48 <torchie> huh dayumn
Jun 24 20:26:27 <torchie> how about a webos phone with every band ever so carriers can stop influencing phone decisions eh
Jun 24 20:27:21 <PatrickC> torchie: +1
Jun 24 20:27:57 <Epyon22> vz pre3 should do it for sprint just no 4g
Jun 24 20:28:21 <torchie> eh 4g ain't shit
Jun 24 20:28:31 <Epyon22> but hoes and tricks?
Jun 24 20:28:39 <torchie> but how many reports of vzw smartphones going to spritn and vice versa have there been
Jun 24 20:29:15 <Epyon22> as long as you can unlock them they are cdma
Jun 24 20:29:48 <Epyon22> its just most vz ppl have a stick up there and wont even aknowlege sprint as a real carrier
Jun 24 20:30:00 <torchie> in theory
Jun 24 20:31:26 <torchie> well that's how it is for everyone on every tier
Jun 24 20:31:45 <torchie> sprint people have a stick up their ass and wont even acknowledge metroPCS and US cellular as real carriers
Jun 24 20:32:30 <torchie> i'm not sure yet if I should just move to europe over something like cellphone service
Jun 24 20:32:31 <PatrickC> cause they aren't?
Jun 24 20:32:36 <torchie> see what I mean?
Jun 24 20:32:44 <torchie> metro people are people too!
Jun 24 20:32:49 <PatrickC> they are pay-as-u-go only
Jun 24 20:33:01 <PatrickC> no real-cell buisness
Jun 24 20:33:12 <torchie> see?
Jun 24 20:34:01 <PatrickC> so Vergin Mobile and Straight Talk are real cell companies?
Jun 24 20:34:01 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 24 20:34:17 <torchie> yeah
Jun 24 20:34:20 <torchie> don't forget gophone
Jun 24 20:34:20 <Epyon22> virgin mobile is sprint pay as you go
Jun 24 20:34:24 <torchie> and verizon prepaid
Jun 24 20:34:31 <torchie> a carrier's a carrier, no matter how small
Jun 24 20:34:33 <PatrickC> Boost is sprint pay as you go
Jun 24 20:34:43 <torchie> boost is more like nextel pay as you go
Jun 24 20:34:46 <Epyon22> both you can pay for aat sprint
Jun 24 20:34:55 <torchie> though sprint owns nextel
Jun 24 20:34:56 <torchie> and virgin
Jun 24 20:35:20 <torchie> all in all a lesson is to be learned here
Jun 24 20:35:28 <torchie> cellphone service sucks in america
Jun 24 20:36:08 <PatrickC> yes
Jun 24 20:36:17 <PatrickC> well, service is good, companies are bad
Jun 24 20:36:28 <torchie> depends on definition of service
Jun 24 20:36:39 <PatrickC> signal :)
Jun 24 20:36:41 <torchie> oh sure i get reception
Jun 24 20:37:07 <torchie> but I live in orlando
Jun 24 20:37:40 <torchie> and america's combination of constantly conflicting wireless technologies combined with the huge inland mass is partially to blame for this debacle
Jun 24 20:38:04 <Epyon22> man montanna cell service sucks
Jun 24 20:39:54 <PatrickC> so does Tennessee unless you are in a major city
Jun 24 20:40:04 <torchie> major city is best city
Jun 24 20:42:08 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 24 20:42:14 <PatrickC> little cities are the best
Jun 24 20:42:24 <PatrickC> with Airave's of course :)
Jun 24 20:42:25 <torchie> eh well screw it as long as they're actual cities
Jun 24 20:42:44 <torchie> and not masses of suburban sprawl surrounded on all sides by artery roads
Jun 24 20:43:02 <Epyon22> man airaves were so smart
Jun 24 20:43:33 <Epyon22> they gave em out...ish then when the registered their gps locations sprint knew to fix cell service in that area
Jun 24 20:43:50 <Epyon22> which they did its much better at my house now
Jun 24 20:44:06 <torchie> im
Jun 24 20:44:10 <torchie> gonna attempt to grocery shop
Jun 24 20:47:14 <leiru> re
Jun 24 20:57:40 * PatrickC is 1 step closer to launch!
Jun 24 20:58:33 <rwatkins> first gen iphone only ran apple applications.
Jun 24 20:58:47 <rwatkins> congrats
Jun 24 21:01:50 <leiru> i just submitted my frist touchpad app today
Jun 24 21:02:42 <leiru> still building the rails backend for second one. mmmh :|
Jun 24 21:07:41 <Vyker> anyone use widgets on thier homescreen?
Jun 24 21:21:37 * oilsworkn hears crickets 
Jun 24 21:21:46 <halfhalo> moo
Jun 24 21:21:59 * oilsworkn also hears cows
Jun 24 21:23:35 <halfhalo> silly cows
Jun 24 21:23:53 <oilsworkn> you're not people, what are you doing on webis?
Jun 24 21:23:56 <oilsworkn> #webos*
Jun 24 21:24:56 <Loudergood> all good OS' have cows
Jun 24 21:25:08 <oilsworkn> supercowpower?
Jun 24 21:25:20 <Loudergood> indeed
Jun 24 21:25:22 <oilsworkn> w/mustaches
Jun 24 21:25:53 * oilsworkn wonders if any news sites are going to review wirc now that its in catalog
Jun 24 21:27:09 <oilsworkn> gotta make enough money to buy a boat so rwhitby and i can go boating xD
Jun 24 21:27:21 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 24 21:27:38 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 21:29:54 <oilsworkn> everyone must be too busy working on apps to talk to oil
Jun 24 21:30:01 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 24 21:30:18 <oilsworkn> get back to work
Jun 24 21:30:34 <halfhalo> when have you ever seen me actually do work
Jun 24 21:31:12 <oilsworkn> lol, never
Jun 24 21:31:18 <halfhalo> EXACTLY
Jun 24 21:33:44 <twbbas> http://www.webosroundup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sprintyunolikewebos1.png
Jun 24 21:34:18 <oilsworkn> that article made me lol @ the image
Jun 24 21:34:39 <leiru> nite.
Jun 24 21:34:42 <oilsworkn> the "preview" image was better though
Jun 24 21:34:57 <oilsworkn> made the y u no guy look like he had a mohawk
Jun 24 21:36:13 <dohtem> they can't even spell TouchPad - http://www.webosroundup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/flyer1a.jpg
Jun 24 21:44:17 <Flashpass_> oilsworkn: i imagine you're working on a tp version as well?
Jun 24 21:45:00 <oilsworkn> of wirc?
Jun 24 21:45:21 <Flashpass_> yeah
Jun 24 21:45:27 <oilsworkn> not yet
Jun 24 21:45:44 <oilsworkn> got a bunch of other apps in the queue ahead of it
Jun 24 21:45:47 <oilsworkn> like preware enyo rewrite
Jun 24 21:45:57 <Flashpass_> ah yeah, probably higher priority
Jun 24 21:46:19 <oilsworkn> but that just means ill get a lot of enyo experience before tackling wirc
Jun 24 21:46:25 <oilsworkn> which is way more complicated then any of my other apps
Jun 24 21:46:57 <Flashpass_> yeah thats good, where is preware at right now? close to being done?
Jun 24 21:47:05 <oilsworkn> no
Jun 24 21:47:06 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 24 21:47:30 <oilsworkn> but mojo preware and wirc work perfectly at tp res
Jun 24 21:47:52 <Flashpass_> oh yeah, thats cool
Jun 24 21:48:04 <Flashpass_> i'm sure all the patches and what not wouldn't quite work
Jun 24 21:49:03 <oilsworkn> it will probably be worse then the 1x to 2x jump
Jun 24 21:49:15 <oilsworkn> still a lot haven't been updated for 2.x
Jun 24 21:50:31 <Flashpass_> good point
Jun 24 22:06:58 <LoneStar99> has anyone submitted a mojo app for the TP?
Jun 24 22:07:43 * oilsworkn will soon :)
Jun 24 22:15:38 <oilsworkn> _pre2 :)
Jun 24 22:16:35 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> yup, the laptop is playing a U2 concert, streaming from BBC 2
Jun 24 22:16:48 <oilsworkn> ah
Jun 24 22:22:05 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> http://www.magictv.co/stream5/ for anyone interested
Jun 24 22:51:36 <Tibfib> Anyone use ads?
Jun 24 23:08:19 <twbbas> NuttyBunny_Pre2: You're watching a U2 Concert?
Jun 24 23:09:14 <twbbas> I'm going to their concert on Sunday here in Michigan
Jun 24 23:51:01 <dawm_> i'm just gonna randomly add my friends friends on facebook and see what ends up happening
Jun 24 23:52:45 <Tibfib> The one time I need patrickC he's not here
Jun 24 23:53:56 <CTLAdvance> Good evening
Jun 25 00:00:10 <NuttyBunny_Pre2> twbbas: Was watching, their concert in Glastonbury Festival :)
Jun 25 00:08:54 <dawm_> i hate people that use old photos for profile pictures.. yah you used to look like that.. but you dont anymore.
Jun 25 00:26:04 <dawm_> cant stop listening to this..
Jun 25 00:26:04 <dawm_> http://www.purevolume.com/new/loveautomatic
Jun 25 00:48:18 <PatrickC> what's goin on?
Jun 25 00:52:20 <rwatkins> said Marvin Gaye
Jun 25 00:53:01 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jun 25 00:53:22 <rwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Going_On_%28song%29
Jun 25 00:54:43 <PatrickC> wow haha
Jun 25 00:55:28 <rwatkins> back when music came on .. physical media.
Jun 25 00:55:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 25 00:55:43 <PatrickC> side B
Jun 25 00:55:53 <oil> physical media you could share with friends :)
Jun 25 00:56:13 <PatrickC> I have physical media I share with friends, its a thumb drive :)
Jun 25 00:56:57 <oil> pirate
Jun 25 00:56:59 <oil> heh
Jun 25 00:57:03 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 25 00:57:19 <oil> http://gizmodo.com/5677377/theres-a-usb-stick-in-my-brick-wall
Jun 25 00:59:50 <PatrickC> oil: haha
Jun 25 00:59:53 <Tibfib> PatrickC: I finally fixed that koto bug
Jun 25 00:59:57 <Tibfib> did you figure it out on your end?
Jun 25 01:00:10 <PatrickC> I just launched it from just type
Jun 25 01:00:23 <Tibfib> ah, yeah that'll fix it
Jun 25 01:00:24 <PatrickC> and then it gave me an error about my api_keys not defined :P
Jun 25 01:00:31 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 25 01:00:55 <PatrickC> so I can only see the "now playing" scene :/
Jun 25 01:01:02 <PatrickC> not the main anymore
Jun 25 01:03:44 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 25 02:07:31 <bartholemew> hmm touchpad offer no longer on the HP website - did the limited supplies already run out?
Jun 25 02:37:41 <Tibfib> is there a media capture sample in the sdk?
Jun 25 02:37:49 <Tibfib> yes there is
Jun 25 02:38:00 <rwhitby> for those who haven't seen it: http://bit.ly/homebrew-support-fox-business
Jun 25 02:41:29 <bartholemew> any takers on question from 90min ago (are the "limited supplies" of touchpads all spoken for at this point)?
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