**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 25 02:59:57 2011 Jun 25 03:35:01 multi-dimensional arrays ftw! Jun 25 03:41:03 point = space3d[0][1][2]; // ! Jun 25 03:46:24 that looks evil! Jun 25 03:48:47 oh you can get alot more evil Jun 25 03:49:26 point = space3d["1.2"]["2.2"]["3.9"] Jun 25 03:49:53 point = {1, 2, 3} Jun 25 03:51:10 * PatrickC wanders in looking to see who's home. . . Jun 25 03:52:08 syntax error Jun 25 03:52:27 I hate those Jun 25 03:52:38 I'm home Jun 25 03:52:42 nah, the syntax is fine, you're just using it with the wrong language! Jun 25 03:52:51 aaah Jun 25 03:53:31 * PatrickC needs to decide what language to take next year... Jun 25 03:53:41 what are your options? Jun 25 03:53:42 C or C++... decisions decisions.. Jun 25 03:53:42 danish Jun 25 03:54:01 PatrickC: I'd advocate C Jun 25 03:54:02 DigitalKiwi: any programming language basicaly Jun 25 03:54:04 norwegian? Jun 25 03:54:05 but I've never done C++ Jun 25 03:54:06 basically* Jun 25 03:54:15 <3 C Jun 25 03:54:29 I'd say C++ so you can make PDK apps Jun 25 03:54:33 I took 3 quarters of C++ classes and it made me hate programming for a year before I found other languages that were actually nice Jun 25 03:54:41 twbbas: you can write PDK apps in C Jun 25 03:54:52 You can? Jun 25 03:54:56 I thought it was only C++ Jun 25 03:55:00 summatusmentis: is C easy enough that online tutorials would suffice? Jun 25 03:55:01 why anybody would torture themselves with C and C++ in the modern age of programming ... Jun 25 03:55:11 well, technically, C is a subset of C++ Jun 25 03:55:13 Is C# close to C? I want to make PDK stuff Jun 25 03:55:22 C# is a completely different animal Jun 25 03:55:23 uh, no Jun 25 03:55:24 summatusmentis: no Jun 25 03:55:27 heh Jun 25 03:55:31 well, "subset" is the wrong word Jun 25 03:55:46 My university only teaches C# in their beginning computer science courses Jun 25 03:55:52 good. Jun 25 03:55:58 I took course 1 last semester and course 2 this fall Jun 25 03:56:05 "C++ done right by the wrong people" Jun 25 03:56:13 I know that C isn't officially a subset, but I'm not sure how to explain it otherwise Jun 25 03:56:17 learn a decent high level language. something with modern garbage collection. Jun 25 03:56:28 I love C# :D Jun 25 03:56:37 Javascript more though Jun 25 03:56:38 you can put C code into C++ code, and it'll work, afaik Jun 25 03:56:43 no Jun 25 03:56:49 it's not that simple Jun 25 03:56:54 sometimes it'll work Jun 25 03:57:09 in what scenarios won't it? Jun 25 03:57:21 * PatrickC knows JS, CSS, and HTML.. nothing else Jun 25 03:57:30 like I said, I've nver done C++ Jun 25 03:58:15 i will find you a real example of that i saw recently Jun 25 03:58:51 I thought they were pretty compatible, at least going from C->C++ Jun 25 03:59:04 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=917017#p917017 Jun 25 03:59:46 well given that C++ is the kitchen sink approach to which language features to include ... Jun 25 04:00:21 DigitalKiwi: huh, interesting Jun 25 04:00:44 so.. should I take a C derivative or Java....? Jun 25 04:01:07 I like C Jun 25 04:01:08 Java, C# or some version there of. Jun 25 04:01:22 I like the mem management control I get with C Jun 25 04:01:45 * DigitalKiwi likes C as well Jun 25 04:01:56 and objective-c is kind of growing on me Jun 25 04:01:59 helps yo keep a good reign in on that 8GB of ram you have to work with? Jun 25 04:02:04 still not fond of java :( Jun 25 04:02:26 bah, interpreted languages kthxby Jun 25 04:03:04 rwatkins: 4 gig, and it's all used, because everyone seems to have the mentality that their app is the only one i run so they don't care to make their programs not 800 lb gorillas... Jun 25 04:03:29 they used to say that about emacs, yet today it runs like a banshee on my PC. Jun 25 04:04:03 optimizing for todays hardware is a losing game. Jun 25 04:04:53 I don't have much of a choice, what I work on for money uses C Jun 25 04:05:01 so I use C Jun 25 04:05:07 more ram is always good Jun 25 04:05:46 I used to do project euler programs with a friend, he was using python, me lua, mine consistently ran in 1/4th the time of his :D Jun 25 04:05:59 halfhalo has more RAM then my laptop has HDD space :P Jun 25 04:06:34 what, 256mb? Jun 25 04:06:42 PatrickC: free space? or total space? Jun 25 04:06:51 * summatusmentis only has 9.8GB free Jun 25 04:07:29 summatusmentis: total space :P Jun 25 04:07:31 * halfhalo has 2.8tb free on his desktop Jun 25 04:07:50 halfhalo has too much money :P Jun 25 04:07:52 not counting the drives on my desk Jun 25 04:08:19 summatusmentis: 15.6GB total space Jun 25 04:08:49 (or 15.9, can't remember) Jun 25 04:09:06 * halfhalo has microsd cards bigger than that Jun 25 04:09:36 are they 11 years old? :) Jun 25 04:10:03 halfhalo: 3G TouchPad Clears the FCC? @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/3g-touchpad-clears-the-fcc/ Jun 25 04:10:19 mebe Jun 25 04:13:54 argg.. so many choices... Jun 25 04:14:20 I have to learn C#, C++, Obj. C, Java, and XML. . . . . :/ Jun 25 04:14:22 which to learn first... Jun 25 04:14:45 xml isnt a language. its a circle of hell Jun 25 04:15:00 then I'm doomed.. lol Jun 25 04:15:01 indeed. skip xml Jun 25 04:15:08 Android requires XML iirc Jun 25 04:15:39 by the time youre out XML will be to JSON and SOAP is to REST. Jun 25 04:15:43 android also requires java Jun 25 04:15:47 s/and/as/ Jun 25 04:16:16 android also requires selling your soul Jun 25 04:16:25 I... how? Jun 25 04:16:27 summatusmentis: I know, so I need both those languages Jun 25 04:16:48 I've already told someone I'll have their app on android eventually.. Jun 25 04:16:56 google checkout. theres an option for souls Jun 25 04:17:10 heh, quit commiting to things you can't do :) Jun 25 04:17:28 I *can* do it.. its just a matter of when :) Jun 25 04:17:29 thats what she said Jun 25 04:17:57 Of those I'd say C# first, unless you have an aversion to windows. Jun 25 04:18:06 mono Jun 25 04:18:21 vb Jun 25 04:18:39 mono, because you always want to spend time mucking around with the non-standard dev enviornment when learning a language? Jun 25 04:18:53 that's half the fun Jun 25 04:19:13 rwatkins: I only have windows machines (except the dualboot ubuntu one) Jun 25 04:19:34 thats like deciding to learn Obj C and doing it under GnuStep instead of iOS. Jun 25 04:20:10 I'll wait till I get a mac before I dive into obj. c Jun 25 04:20:21 is C# windows compatible? Jun 25 04:20:29 given its written by MSFT, yes. Jun 25 04:20:49 rwatkins: guess what I did before I had a mac :) Jun 25 04:21:03 DigitalKiwi: your a glutton for pain Jun 25 04:21:19 I follow too many indie bands. things in all caps and without vowels my brain just automatically assumes is a dubstep band Jun 25 04:21:22 this is not good Jun 25 04:21:27 C# was MSFT's 'we want to do Java, but better'. Jun 25 04:21:30 it actually wasn't too bad after i figured out what i needed to do to get stuff to compile Jun 25 04:25:56 but yeah I don't tend to do stuff the easy way, started doing android dev a few months ago, but did it in scala, at the time I started I knew neither scala nor java...before that I started doing web dev with django, didn't know python or any web development prior, then there's the iOS fiasco of starting in lua via wax (at least i knew lua though >.>) eventually just bit the bullet and did it in obj-c Jun 25 04:26:51 sure was a lot of fun though! Jun 25 04:27:13 oh, lisp! PatrickC should learn that! Jun 25 04:27:20 no! Jun 25 04:27:48 better choice than C++ Jun 25 04:28:04 and java Jun 25 04:28:07 and xml Jun 25 04:28:07 which lisp? Jun 25 04:29:06 all of them Jun 25 04:29:28 all ... two? Jun 25 04:29:40 yes Jun 25 04:29:59 emacs lisp. program what you write with. Jun 25 04:30:30 onl 945 times slower than C! Jun 25 04:31:03 but then you might also learn a thing or two. and not constantly slice your foot off in in the process. Jun 25 04:31:42 I guess I did forget about emacs lisp when I said 2 :( Jun 25 04:32:13 scheme, common lisp, emacs lisp, any other big ones? Jun 25 04:32:32 persons lisps Jun 25 04:32:34 :P Jun 25 04:33:03 email paul graham and ask Jun 25 04:33:51 Dialects Common Lisp, Scheme, Emacs Lisp, AutoLISP, Logo, Clojure, ISLISP, Newlisp, Arc, SKILL, Racket Jun 25 04:33:58 wikipedia to the rescue! Jun 25 04:34:40 * halfhalo did some stuff with scheme. never again Jun 25 04:35:32 and you can run it on one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Symbolics3640_Modified.JPG Jun 25 04:40:58 tibfib: did you submit koto to http://build.last.fm/ Jun 25 04:41:15 rwatkins: Now THAT'S a standing desk! Jun 25 04:41:19 Nope, I never did Jun 25 04:41:59 just did Jun 25 04:41:59 I'll submit mine once its done Jun 25 04:42:17 cool Jun 25 04:42:22 well, I'm off to bed Jun 25 04:42:24 night all Jun 25 04:42:29 night Jun 25 04:43:30 what's up peeps Jun 25 04:44:10 just doing some late night coding Jun 25 04:44:12 You? Jun 25 04:44:46 atm trying to decide what I'm going to do. not sure which of my projects I wanna work on. Jun 25 04:45:09 I'm rushing to get this game ready for launch day Jun 25 04:45:30 lol I'm not that tallented xD Jun 25 04:46:10 this is my only app lol http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.connexcoding.savepalm if your on your phone. Jun 25 04:46:38 heh Jun 25 04:46:42 Whatcha working on? Jun 25 04:47:11 right now a soundboard cause while it's not toooo too difficult it's somewhat difficult for me. Jun 25 04:47:27 I understand Jun 25 04:47:36 Starting out is the hardest part Jun 25 04:48:11 yeah I'm a basic at coding. I understand visual basic and the first 10 chapters of my 25 chapter java book Jun 25 04:48:38 basically I know html and Css at a basic level with a tiny bit of java sprinkled in Jun 25 04:49:09 what game you working on? Jun 25 04:49:24 If I told ya then I'd have to kill ya :p Jun 25 04:49:37 Ask me in 1 week and I'll tell you :D Jun 25 04:49:48 There are 5days 23hrs 12mins 53secs until the HP TouchPad launches in Walmart Jun 25 04:50:24 lol xD I know. I've been trying super hard to get a job to pay for one with no luck :/ Jun 25 04:51:08 done 50ish online apps (making sure to apply everywhere selling it) and done about 60 walk in and paper apps. Jun 25 04:51:23 oh wow Jun 25 04:51:26 that's a lot Jun 25 04:51:35 Good luck with interviews Jun 25 04:51:54 HP will also offer developer pricing for the TouchPad if that helps at all Jun 25 04:52:05 They're supposed to be announcing it next week Jun 25 04:52:38 (Richard Kerris said that they'd announce it before launch, about a week ago) Jun 25 04:53:00 thanks. Lol yeah but how do you qualify? My only app is in the beta feed only cause palm and HP's names are mentioned so it's copyright problems Jun 25 04:53:34 I think it'll be open to anyone who has an app published Jun 25 04:53:54 That's what their requirements are for the other dev devices (I think) Jun 25 04:53:55 hmmm. that motivates me lol Jun 25 04:55:43 any idea what developer pricing may be? Jun 25 04:56:46 Well, the Veer costs $450 off-contract from AT&T and HP sells it for $279 for developers Jun 25 04:56:57 number one feature of enyo? develop in chrome on your pc. Jun 25 04:57:05 So, the TouchPad is $500... maybe $300 for developers? $350? Jun 25 04:57:11 amen to that. Jun 25 04:57:19 rwatkins: for sure Jun 25 04:57:21 @rwatkins Jun 25 04:57:25 i hope something like that Jun 25 04:57:33 $300 would be great Jun 25 04:57:43 I'd be happy with 400. Jun 25 04:57:51 100 off shoooottt Jun 25 04:57:53 I'd be happy with any discount Jun 25 04:58:16 As long as I can get 3 with the discount, I'll take any discount Jun 25 04:58:27 I doubt they'll let us get anymore than 1 though Jun 25 04:58:28 lol xD why you need 3 Jun 25 04:58:37 Our app company consists of me and my 2 brothers Jun 25 04:58:40 so 1 for each of us :D Jun 25 04:59:21 ah haha Jun 25 04:59:24 "that'd be funny if that show my three sons was called my one dad" Jun 25 05:02:46 this soundboard is kicking my butt Jun 25 10:07:03 yes! both my apps have been reviewed over night Jun 25 10:07:53 ready for the catalog? Jun 25 10:15:25 yup Jun 25 10:17:48 phoque_uni: pm? Jun 25 10:18:26 I don't know, why? :-) Jun 25 12:23:53 Hrm, my contact at Google is surprised to hear HP is pushing WebOS in any meaningful way. Jun 25 12:25:15 Yep, the GoogleSphere is almost as impenetrable as the Jobs Reality Distortion Field. Jun 25 12:26:41 Said contact has nothing to do with Android and had some interesting stuff to say about it. Jun 25 12:26:55 And actually likes how polished WebOS is. Jun 25 12:27:36 I think it is more the current niche status of it that makes him surprised that they're doing the push. Jun 25 12:31:34 wife's Pre touchscreen stopped responding yesterday Jun 25 12:32:39 * Hendikins also got told he should finally have a Veer on Wednesday. Jun 25 12:32:41 haeffb: it'll come back - it was just doing garbage collection Jun 25 12:33:10 surely she doesn't have that much garbage Jun 25 12:35:09 although she does have 2045 unread hotmail emails... Jun 25 12:45:55 lol Jun 25 12:46:11 haeffb: thats kind of many unread mails? try to unsubcribe? Jun 25 12:50:55 submitted a claim with Asurion at 9:01 pm last night, replacement Pre to be here by 1:30 pm today. Jun 25 12:51:14 we live in a strange and wonderful world Jun 25 12:51:26 thats good news Jun 25 12:51:44 I was surprised they still have Pre's Jun 25 12:52:06 expected to get some sort of android thingy Jun 25 12:53:46 dont they have to check it first to see if it is brooken or do they just trust you? Jun 25 13:02:05 you have to send it back in. Jun 25 13:03:55 protip: never go to Amazon MP3 store after drinking. Every song sounds like one you have to purchase... Jun 25 13:04:53 LOL! Jun 25 13:30:50 Oh God, I see a new addiction crawling up Jun 25 13:31:03 checking the "Downloads" numbers in "My Apps" Jun 25 14:11:26 phoque_uni: you get over it when the count slows to 1 every other day or so... Jun 25 14:17:05 I got 2 downloads even though the device isn't out yet :-) Jun 25 14:18:02 Palm people testing? Jun 25 14:18:09 probably Jun 25 14:22:17 are there PR shots of the TouchPad with alpha transparent background and screen? Jun 25 14:22:48 ? Jun 25 14:23:08 I want to make a picture of my app on a device Jun 25 14:23:12 to show it on a homepage Jun 25 14:23:33 why not just photoshop over the screen with your screenshot? Jun 25 14:24:12 yes, that's possible Jun 25 14:24:20 i mean obviously its easier Jun 25 14:24:33 but I guess lots of people will have to do it Jun 25 14:25:49 you could probably easily request one from palm Jun 25 15:03:50 any germans online able to help with a quick translation? Jun 25 15:04:08 ja ja Jun 25 15:29:29 Amazing Fact: Transferring files to my Pre 2 is A LOT FASTER over Wifi with sftp than via the USB cable (novacom or standard usb transfer) :S Jun 25 15:30:22 i 100% agree Jun 25 15:30:44 i wish more people did that, because ever since i did i haven't plugged my pre in Jun 25 15:31:10 I'm sick of it transferring incomplete files, anyone knows why is it that it transfers files on 300Mb chunks over usb? :@ Jun 25 15:31:16 errors, errors, argh Jun 25 15:31:40 2 hours to copy a 604Mb movie, rebooted twice, and it keeps getting incomplete Jun 25 15:31:48 then, in 6 minutes, I copy it over Wifi Jun 25 15:32:02 oh Jun 25 15:32:08 probably because its FAT and not NTFS Jun 25 15:32:18 or something Jun 25 15:32:33 but every reboot it does a fsck, and everytime you unmount it from the usb drive Jun 25 15:32:50 then use wifi :P Jun 25 15:32:51 huh. IR WIFI>H OR SOMETHING> I never tried copying over wifi.h or something. I never tried copying over wifi. Jun 25 15:32:56 something is breaking in the middle, and it's a "palm cable", connected directly to the usb port Jun 25 15:33:04 err Jun 25 15:33:16 well.. at least I managed to do it, I can continue my day now :) Jun 25 15:33:32 yeah i've permanently switched to transferring everything to and from my pre via SFTP Jun 25 15:33:41 let's try that again. Jun 25 15:33:59 "huh. I always thought it was slow flash or something. I never tried copying over wifi." Jun 25 15:34:09 lol thats what you meant Jun 25 15:34:12 Hah! It's already in the Videos App!!! :D Jun 25 15:34:24 dwc do you know how to do SFTP transferring? Jun 25 15:34:47 its much much faster than finding the cable, plugging it in, waiting for it to go over the micro usb cable blah blah Jun 25 15:36:57 I do have ssh on, but I do have one question re: the firewall Jun 25 15:37:05 http://webosworld.com/2011/06/05/how-to-manage-files-on-your-phone-from-your-computer-tutorial/ Jun 25 15:37:15 i wrote that a few weeks ago based off the webos internals tutorial Jun 25 15:37:20 it seems like when I move from one wifi network to another (home-work) Jun 25 15:37:21 i don't have any firewall issues Jun 25 15:37:48 I get the pre dropping packets (host unreachable for ping and tcp/22) Jun 25 15:37:53 your work wifi may prevent any transfer due to their specific regulations Jun 25 15:38:09 but if I log into the pre via novacom, and restart the ssh daemon, it works again Jun 25 15:38:35 Ah, I transferred the file with sftp ON the Pre :) Jun 25 15:39:02 via? Jun 25 15:39:12 with Jun 25 15:39:16 using? Jun 25 15:39:19 yes Jun 25 15:39:25 utilizing? Jun 25 15:39:28 yes Jun 25 15:39:41 (though not quite grammatically correct with utilizing) Jun 25 15:40:01 utilizing which tool to do so? Jun 25 15:40:14 novacom Jun 25 15:40:25 no we were asking nuttybutty Jun 25 15:40:43 presumably a terminal and ssh/scp/sftp to the other host Jun 25 15:40:49 thats what i was thinking Jun 25 15:40:56 we can keep making up words until he official answers Jun 25 15:41:14 what's up?w Jun 25 15:41:25 what do we need NuttyBunny for? Jun 25 15:41:37 everything Jun 25 15:41:41 haha Jun 25 15:41:41 the entire future of weboS Jun 25 15:41:58 NuttyBunny and rwhitby FTW :D Jun 25 15:42:12 rod? rod's gone man Jun 25 15:42:14 * PatrickC wants to go to walmart today Jun 25 15:42:17 nuttybutty took over webosinternals week ago Jun 25 15:42:22 sure.. Jun 25 15:42:23 lol Jun 25 15:42:35 he fired everyone else Jun 25 15:42:41 took over doing most of the apps and patches Jun 25 15:42:45 then one of my good friends now runs webos internals Jun 25 15:42:47 :P Jun 25 15:43:03 he actually bought palm Jun 25 15:43:05 Preware is changing to NuttyBunnyWare Jun 25 15:43:11 HAHAHAHA Jun 25 15:43:27 hahaha Jun 25 15:43:28 i could never convince my friends to download an app called that Jun 25 15:43:47 yeah you're gonna wanna download NuttyButtyWare? no its the one with penguin on it...it's not weird just download it! Jun 25 15:43:50 NuttyWare Jun 25 15:44:05 BunnyWare Jun 25 15:44:10 I wish I had friends... with webOS phones :p Jun 25 15:44:11 KIK Jun 25 15:44:15 i have a few Jun 25 15:44:19 LOL I mean Jun 25 15:44:20 ;) Jun 25 15:44:31 my roommate has a pre, my best friend has a pixi, my friends girlfriend has a pixi Jun 25 15:44:32 I have a few of those Jun 25 15:44:39 its hard to explain that the pixi is the worst phone ever Jun 25 15:44:39 lol Jun 25 15:44:45 The only people I know that own webOS devices are in my family Jun 25 15:44:45 I went to two walmarts yesterday... neither had the item I was looking for Jun 25 15:44:50 hey, the new owner has arrived! :P Jun 25 15:45:06 dwc-: :/ Jun 25 15:45:17 I wonder if Sam's club has live units.... Jun 25 15:45:43 i wanna go to the walmart but i highly doubt they have it because i live in a slow ass hick place who only knows of "THE ANDROID AND THE IPHONE" in their southern accents while i facepalm Jun 25 15:45:45 They don't. But they do have free samples of the TouchPad. Take home an app today! Jun 25 15:45:53 like if i asked someone in walmart they'd just be like what Jun 25 15:46:14 twbbas: huh? Jun 25 15:46:39 http://samsclub.com/hptouchpad Jun 25 15:46:40 * twbbas failed at making a joke about Sam's Club's free samples Jun 25 15:47:05 oh lol Jun 25 15:48:17 isn't the 16GB $599 normally? Jun 25 15:48:22 $499 Jun 25 15:48:23 no no no Jun 25 15:48:25 lol Jun 25 15:48:26 jesus Jun 25 15:48:32 Sam's has it listed for $498 Jun 25 15:48:41 oooo 1 dollar off Jun 25 15:48:47 you could buy a snickers bar Jun 25 15:48:53 haha Jun 25 15:49:35 or preorder from Costco and get a free case Jun 25 15:49:40 but in Sam's you can't just buy "A" snicker bar Jun 25 15:49:53 I'll buy from Sam's if I don't get it from HP Jun 25 15:50:14 NuttyBunny: True that! Jun 25 15:50:17 i was telling a few guys in the textone app yesterday, honestly i'd get a touchpad if it had quickoffice full on it Jun 25 15:50:31 so i'd actually have a "point" in getting it Jun 25 15:50:39 It probably will soon Jun 25 15:50:45 It's a shame it doesn't have it at launch Jun 25 15:50:45 umm.. $478 is the actual Sam's club price! Jun 25 15:50:51 thats what they said when webOS 2.x came out with quickoffice Jun 25 15:50:53 NuttyBunny: you don't want a 20 pack of snickers? Jun 25 15:51:20 HP TouchPad webOS 3.0, 16GB, 9.7" - Wi-Fi Quantity:  1      $478.00 Jun 25 15:51:27 How about 20 packs of 20 pack snickers? Jun 25 15:51:29 yeah! Jun 25 15:51:37 discount already!! :D Jun 25 15:53:10 preorder away! :P Jun 25 15:53:26 A woman mistakenly thought to be dead, has actually died after waking up at the shock of being at her own funeral Jun 25 15:53:28 Wait, what? Jun 25 15:53:32 http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/fagilyu-mukhametzyanov-wakes-at-own-funeral-and-dies/story-e6freuy9-1226081843890 Jun 25 15:53:42 huh? Jun 25 15:53:56 " was rushed back to the hospital where she was declared dead -- this time for real." Jun 25 15:54:07 best thing about eclipse is being able to click a parentheses, bracket, brace, whatever and it shows you the closing one way down Jun 25 15:54:11 ooo Jun 25 15:54:20 if sam's has a touchpad, the touchpad is on wifi Jun 25 15:54:30 my sams has wifi in-store :) Jun 25 15:54:45 Jake_M: NP++ does that too Jun 25 15:55:13 yeah but i like eclipse :) Jun 25 15:55:36 I dont.. well.. eclipse doesn't like me lol Jun 25 15:55:47 i learned how to use it in computer science Jun 25 15:55:52 granted this is the javascript version Jun 25 15:55:58 even though the palm plugin still only does mojo :| Jun 25 15:56:05 the keyboard shortcuts make it the best Jun 25 15:56:25 HP TouchPad webOS 3.0, 32GB, 9.7" - Wi-Fi Quantity:  1      $578.00 Jun 25 15:56:53 another discount :P Jun 25 15:57:06 https://twitter.com/#!/singmajesty/status/84587169200611328 Jun 25 15:57:08 twbbas quick! how long till the touchpad drops? Jun 25 15:57:12 There are 5days 12hrs 5mins 34secs until the HP TouchPad launches in Walmart Jun 25 15:57:16 :) Jun 25 15:57:21 ^^ Jun 25 15:57:31 hehehehe Jun 25 15:58:04 twbbas: awesome Jun 25 15:58:27 singmajesty: I'll take 1 HP webOS SDK TouchPad version to go please Jun 25 15:58:48 grr.. no palm employees are on :/ Jun 25 15:59:11 I'll take 3 TouchPads to go please Jun 25 15:59:30 64GB, White, and with free 3G Jun 25 15:59:45 free 4G tyvm Jun 25 15:59:50 Oh man, even better! Jun 25 16:00:35 and 1TB.. go big or go home :P Jun 25 16:00:45 hahaha Jun 25 16:00:50 and a 30" flexible display Jun 25 16:00:51 idk Jun 25 16:00:56 that 50 GB box.net thing is ridiculous Jun 25 16:01:00 I know! Jun 25 16:01:04 yeah! Jun 25 16:01:09 I doubt it's permanent though Jun 25 16:01:11 hopefully the touchpad has multiuploader. i was told enyo does Jun 25 16:01:19 i'm not going file by file for 50 GB Jun 25 16:01:44 https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-1 Jun 25 16:01:56 hahaha Jun 25 16:01:57 haha seen that Jun 25 16:02:48 love the first and second comments Jun 25 16:02:54 Great Success!! Jun 25 16:02:59 epic fail Jun 25 16:03:11 * PatrickC mumbles about slow internet connection :/ Jun 25 16:04:02 200K download when I'm suppose to have 3MBp/s Jun 25 16:04:52 JayCanuck: no! Jun 25 16:04:53 mab i feel dymb stixkingwith weboa all this time Jun 25 16:04:58 so it just deletes /usr/ Jun 25 16:05:26 yeah hahaha Jun 25 16:05:28 collinw2: umm.. why? Jun 25 16:05:32 what happen Jun 25 16:05:36 someone set you up the bomb Jun 25 16:05:44 mab Jun 25 16:06:02 dymb f0n3 Jun 25 16:06:27 torchie: https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-1 Jun 25 16:06:52 Demo units are at best buy Jun 25 16:06:58 https://twitter.com/#!/veitia/status/84649661977198592 Jun 25 16:07:24 ah i remember reading the comments on this diff Jun 25 16:07:26 i think that once they finally release eprint Jun 25 16:07:31 it'll be exciting Jun 25 16:07:32 didn't know github could get so lively Jun 25 16:07:46 especially if quickoffice is actually there Jun 25 16:08:10 got an android phone yesterday. this thing is badass. Jun 25 16:08:26 which one? Jun 25 16:08:31 collinw2: traitor :P Jun 25 16:08:48 personally going android for now, but having reservations about going with it instead of iOS Jun 25 16:09:16 I would go to iOS5 over android, and android over BB Jun 25 16:09:43 the problem is Jun 25 16:09:47 BBs are expensive featurephones Jun 25 16:09:50 all people give a fuck about on mobile platforms is games Jun 25 16:10:01 because theyre important Jun 25 16:10:12 yes they are Jun 25 16:10:15 i wanna write papers and do other things Jun 25 16:10:24 like goddamn iOS has katamari, lumines, phoenix wright, final fantasy tactics, sonic 4... Jun 25 16:10:32 i don't care if angry birds is on 30 android phones Jun 25 16:10:42 FB hit 750 million users Jun 25 16:10:49 that is a lot of users Jun 25 16:10:53 That is Jun 25 16:10:57 thats it? Jun 25 16:11:02 I wonder how many are spammers Jun 25 16:11:04 yeah Jun 25 16:11:10 or dead or don't use it Jun 25 16:11:12 theres so many spam accounts Jun 25 16:11:18 guys you gotta do this: Jun 25 16:11:20 get Jun 25 16:11:22 a carafe Jun 25 16:11:28 brew some coffee into it Jun 25 16:11:34 don't sweeten it Jun 25 16:11:36 add no milk Jun 25 16:11:41 just put it in the fridge overnight Jun 25 16:11:47 and you have a glorious drink Jun 25 16:11:51 and then throw it at someone? Jun 25 16:11:51 i don't even know what that is Jun 25 16:11:56 BLACK ICE Jun 25 16:12:06 keep trying Jun 25 16:12:07 coffee as BLACK AS YOUR HEART and COLD AS YOUR SOUL Jun 25 16:12:07 * twbbas doesn't drink coffee Jun 25 16:12:15 i drink pepsi Jun 25 16:12:24 water for me Jun 25 16:12:25 * twbbas drinks water Jun 25 16:12:28 tea Jun 25 16:12:33 DigitalKiwi: High five! Jun 25 16:12:34 sometimes tea Jun 25 16:12:38 I drink sweet tea Jun 25 16:12:39 ^5 Jun 25 16:12:56 straight up sweetened black tea I can't stand anymore for some reason Jun 25 16:13:07 stash makes excellent teas, orange spice and irish breakfast, mmm Jun 25 16:13:14 like usually I do milk and sugar or lemon and sugar, or black Jun 25 16:13:16 I live in Tennessee... sweet tea is a staple :P Jun 25 16:13:25 add that lemon! Jun 25 16:13:35 water is digusting unless its like Jun 25 16:13:35 sometimes.. Jun 25 16:13:38 pure water Jun 25 16:13:43 yes Jun 25 16:13:51 REAL water is amazing Jun 25 16:13:54 or spring water.. Jun 25 16:13:59 ive been getting tea from the asian shops in viet town etc around here lol Jun 25 16:13:59 YES!! Jun 25 16:14:12 little canisters of loose leaf Jun 25 16:14:19 * twbbas drinks any water Jun 25 16:14:25 oh so anyway, i'm new to this scene...it looks like previous palm devices you could develop in either C or C++, maybe javascript too? Jun 25 16:14:34 previous? Jun 25 16:14:35 twbbas: sea water? :) Jun 25 16:14:45 nah Jun 25 16:14:56 DigitakKiwi: JS is the main dev language Jun 25 16:14:57 I just mean I drink tap water, filtered water... anything Jun 25 16:15:01 drinkable Jun 25 16:15:01 whatever there was before webos, like the devices you get emulators for with the sdk 2 Jun 25 16:15:11 oh we don't talk about those times Jun 25 16:15:14 those were dark times Jun 25 16:15:15 when I was living in north lauderdale a 5 minute walk away from the water treatment plant I didn't know what bad water was Jun 25 16:15:21 and then i moved to orlando. Jun 25 16:15:22 those are too far away Jun 25 16:15:37 north lauderdale? haha Jun 25 16:15:39 ft. lauderdale ftw Jun 25 16:15:52 yo man north lauderdale was just north of fort lauderdale! Jun 25 16:15:58 i remember when the palm pilot came out like forever ago. i was like...5 or something and my cousins were like omg new palm pilot so cool i was like WHATS THAT Jun 25 16:15:59 actually it was a little east too but eh Jun 25 16:16:06 torchie: hehe Jun 25 16:16:06 so i guess my question really is, on webOS is it primarily/exclusively javascript or how's it work? also, to get into the EAP does that take a while? Jun 25 16:16:20 but whenever I say north lauderdale people are like "fort lauderdale?" Jun 25 16:16:21 I have fam that live there.. and West Palm Beach too Jun 25 16:16:27 fort lauderdale: the iPad of lauderdales Jun 25 16:16:32 i don't know anything about EAP really Jun 25 16:16:42 woo west palm Jun 25 16:16:43 however, webOS is now composed of 2 frameworks Jun 25 16:16:47 mojo and enyo Jun 25 16:16:48 DigitalKiwi: email pdc@palm.com and request Jun 25 16:16:54 enyo is for next gen devices like the touchpad Jun 25 16:16:57 EAP takes a week tops to get in, sometimes less Jun 25 16:17:13 DigitalKiwi: JS is the main language, C/C++ is the pdk language Jun 25 16:17:18 but currently on mojo, you have HTML that makes widgets, which are like buttons, toggle buttons, text fields Jun 25 16:17:29 yup did that last night, so maybe by the end of the week i'll be in? Jun 25 16:17:31 then you have Javascript in the "background" that power those widgets, just like any webpage Jun 25 16:17:36 and then in Enyo, the JS does it all Jun 25 16:17:40 oh early accesss program Jun 25 16:17:46 bbl Jun 25 16:17:52 i thought you meant extensible authetican protocol Jun 25 16:17:55 time for lunch :) Jun 25 16:18:01 yeah in Enyo, javascript does everything Jun 25 16:18:05 Jake_M: oh >.> Jun 25 16:18:11 no you're fine trust me Jun 25 16:18:15 i don't get a DAMN thing about javascript Jun 25 16:18:21 and i'm already halfway done with the WebOS World HD app Jun 25 16:18:40 I'm rebooting my js knowledge, just started reading the good parts book Jun 25 16:18:44 enyo is the newer one? Jun 25 16:18:46 yes Jun 25 16:18:49 i can help you if you want Jun 25 16:18:56 enyo's where the magic happens Jun 25 16:19:11 huh here's the scary part about drinking from a carafe of black ice Jun 25 16:19:11 when to stop Jun 25 16:19:20 in the middle of drinking a liter of coffee Jun 25 16:19:22 now because it sounds disgusting Jun 25 16:19:34 it's delicious and you're mad Jun 25 16:19:36 i guess i'll learn javascript this week :D Jun 25 16:19:56 digitalkiwi PM me on here if you want help Jun 25 16:20:18 thanks :) Jun 25 16:22:35 who's pdm@palm.com Jun 25 16:22:42 pdc Jun 25 16:22:49 palm developer center Jun 25 16:22:51 no.. Jun 25 16:22:54 oh Jun 25 16:22:57 I know about pdc Jun 25 16:22:58 palm developer manager Jun 25 16:23:02 pdn@palm.com Jun 25 16:23:03 palm developer man Jun 25 16:23:04 oh Jun 25 16:23:09 is who paid me.. Jun 25 16:23:19 well, their contact email Jun 25 16:23:54 palm developer money ;) Jun 25 16:23:56 oh probably just developers relations with an n Jun 25 16:24:13 they're probably all different facets of Chuqi's personality Jun 25 16:24:16 palm developer network? Jun 25 16:24:18 yes Jun 25 16:24:19 thats it Jun 25 16:24:33 chuqui is the man Jun 25 16:25:18 wtf Jun 25 16:25:28 i hate enyo Jun 25 16:25:31 actually i love it Jun 25 16:25:33 but ugh Jun 25 16:26:01 hahahaha Jun 25 16:26:07 oh i found my error i think Jun 25 16:26:11 no i din't Jun 25 16:26:40 what browser do you use? Jun 25 16:27:04 Chromium has amazing dev tools Jun 25 16:27:20 i have chrome its just Jun 25 16:27:23 my Jun 25 16:27:35 I need an index of all Git repositories on my machine Jun 25 16:27:37 like what i originally had is showing up Jun 25 16:27:44 but i added a list Jun 25 16:27:48 no errors, but its not showing up Jun 25 16:27:48 I'm always unsure if I've really committed and pushed everything Jun 25 16:28:11 which i usually have this problem with HTML, and its just closing brackets and braces in order Jun 25 16:28:22 I need to get myself working with a git system Jun 25 16:28:46 Loudergood: on-device (webos) ipkg-opt install git Jun 25 16:28:48 :D Jun 25 16:30:26 Loudergood, once you've fully integrated it into your workflow it makes things sooooo mcuh easier Jun 25 16:32:17 yeah I've gotten that impression...it's one more barrier between me and having a workflow though ;) Jun 25 16:33:15 i'm not gonna lie Jun 25 16:33:18 the touchstone backs are annoying Jun 25 16:33:29 they become loose after a while and while i'm texting they like..move Jun 25 16:33:38 the regular back feels great when i text Jun 25 16:33:46 uhm, really? Jun 25 16:33:50 I love mine Jun 25 16:33:53 its happened to 2 of mine Jun 25 16:33:58 and i think its because of the heat Jun 25 16:34:07 it's not THAT HOT Jun 25 16:34:12 just warm Jun 25 16:34:14 my pre gets up to like 52 celcius when i play VBA Jun 25 16:34:33 125 degrees Jun 25 16:34:34 pretty hot Jun 25 16:34:55 Jake_M: emacs and vim will do that too ... Jun 25 16:35:06 heat up or ? Jun 25 16:35:41 wait emacs is a text editor Jun 25 16:36:03 mini pizza ftw! Jun 25 16:36:03 ack. irc client stuck in scrollback Jun 25 16:36:11 that was re: eclipse and parens matching Jun 25 16:36:25 ohh Jun 25 16:36:36 so eclipse can't do that? Jun 25 16:36:41 cuz i've never seen it Jun 25 16:36:58 is it possible that i can like delete the entire second half of my code that consists of just braces closing and it'll do it for me? Jun 25 16:37:16 not that i'm that lazy but just curious Jun 25 16:37:16 lol Jun 25 16:38:01 what? I said the best part is it shows the closing brace/paren/etc Jun 25 16:38:07 errr you said Jun 25 16:38:18 does anyone have a good doc what the "palm-*" css classes are supposed to do or how one is supposed to use them? Jun 25 16:38:27 oh! Jun 25 16:38:37 i thought you meant emacs will automatically reorder the braces correctly for you Jun 25 16:38:37 using ares wasn#t exactly helpful for list templates Jun 25 16:38:53 stbuehler webos101.com Jun 25 16:38:56 pretty sure Jun 25 16:40:32 Jake_M: maybe i am just too stupid for that, but i can't find any docs. tutorials don't count, they only cover what they need :) Jun 25 16:40:49 I FOUND MY ERROR Jun 25 16:40:53 oh sorry Jun 25 16:40:55 stbuehler PM me Jun 25 17:06:39 this touchstone ringing thing is like getting on my last nerves Jun 25 17:08:01 http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Hardware/Pre-has-a-high-pitched-ringing-noise-while-on-touchstone/td-p/256008 Jun 25 17:21:32 yeah i was hearing that too Jun 25 17:27:41 it keeps me up at night Jun 25 17:27:48 i have to sometimes take my phone off the charger Jun 25 17:44:27 hello #webos Jun 25 17:44:31 hello Jun 25 17:44:45 hello Jun 25 17:45:27 HEY THERE Jun 25 17:45:50 tibfib did you see my tweet Jun 25 17:45:57 yeah! Jun 25 17:46:00 pretty ba Jun 25 17:46:01 that's awesome Jun 25 17:46:09 I noticed richard uses it and jaaksi does Jun 25 17:46:17 jaaski does?!? Jun 25 17:46:19 pretty cool Jun 25 17:46:20 i thought he was gone Jun 25 17:46:20 yep Jun 25 17:46:27 no ? Jun 25 17:46:32 He came from nokia to palm Jun 25 17:46:38 oh wait Jun 25 17:46:41 duh sorry Jun 25 17:46:44 i forget these people sometimes Jun 25 17:49:29 heh Jun 25 17:50:26 sorry i forget but what were the classes in mojo for buttons Jun 25 17:50:29 like the green one Jun 25 17:50:38 affirmative Jun 25 17:50:40 um Jun 25 17:50:40 got it thanks guys Jun 25 17:50:40 yeah Jun 25 17:50:41 thats it Jun 25 17:50:42 heh Jun 25 17:50:51 oilsworkn: how's wirc doin? Jun 25 17:50:59 ok? Jun 25 17:51:05 I always liked the white one....status, I think? Jun 25 17:51:16 secondary Jun 25 17:51:20 that one Jun 25 17:51:31 i'm trying to figure out how to get those pretty buttons in enyo Jun 25 17:51:35 but i can't :( Jun 25 17:51:44 in Mojo? Jun 25 17:51:47 enyo Jun 25 17:51:50 for all who weren't on earlier.. Sam's Club has the touchpad for $478 & $578 Jun 25 17:51:54 which pretty buttons? Jun 25 17:51:55 i just "figured" they'd be the same Jun 25 17:51:57 umm hold Jun 25 17:52:25 gotta find an "approved" screenshot Jun 25 17:53:06 you can get an enyo-looking button in mojo by using the small-button class Jun 25 17:53:26 no no no i'm uh Jun 25 17:53:28 working with enyo per se Jun 25 17:53:38 I can't imagine you want a Mojo button in Enyo Jun 25 17:53:39 and i was trying to see if the button class names in mojo carried over in enyo Jun 25 17:53:47 oh, I see Jun 25 17:53:50 no but like for example, the green button in enyo Jun 25 17:53:51 looks sexy Jun 25 17:53:54 and i want that Jun 25 17:54:11 I haven't even messed with styles yet :/ Jun 25 17:54:24 still digging in code Jun 25 17:54:28 i like the regular buttons Jun 25 17:54:33 and i'm able to make my own Jun 25 17:55:46 I wonder if you can just include the Mojo css and keep classnames...probably will break a lot of things, though :D Jun 25 17:56:03 well, maybe not Jun 25 17:56:05 hmm Jun 25 17:56:09 definitely not Jun 25 17:56:10 lol Jun 25 17:56:12 i tried Jun 25 17:56:14 broke everythign Jun 25 17:56:16 oh Jun 25 17:56:18 bummer Jun 25 17:58:22 i'm sayin' Jun 25 17:58:28 whoa Jun 25 17:58:38 google calendar has a natural language event addition thingy Jun 25 17:58:44 glorious Jun 25 17:59:38 finally Jun 25 17:59:46 ive been using quick event Jun 25 18:06:13 torchie: like "mark me down for 2 weeks of vacation starting on the 3rd sunday in april of next year"? Jun 25 18:06:21 yeah Jun 25 18:06:25 cool Jun 25 18:07:20 like i just quick added in googcal and haphazardly/confusedly typed "c programming help at business administration every tuesday at 10:30 AM" Jun 25 18:07:31 and boom Jun 25 18:07:38 it was all Jun 25 18:07:45 [v] Repeat Weekly Jun 25 18:07:50 every tuesday Jun 25 18:08:00 and I was like whoa. Jun 25 18:08:04 serious? Jun 25 18:08:06 thats awesome Jun 25 18:08:21 i mean i know it does like time and stuff Jun 25 18:08:39 lets try to screw it up Jun 25 18:08:42 is this in enyo? Jun 25 18:08:50 google calendar Jun 25 18:08:56 calendar.google.com Jun 25 18:09:03 ohhh Jun 25 18:09:08 sweet Jun 25 18:09:41 lol Jun 25 18:09:44 "Dawn of the 10:30PM gang's new band The Tomorrows at on for to every wednesday" Jun 25 18:09:45 i thought that did work. cause they even have an algorithm that will recognize when you have an event in gmail Jun 25 18:10:06 lol Jun 25 18:10:11 ..."with johnny" Jun 25 18:10:15 im even confused by that statement Jun 25 18:10:26 go to the mall every third tuesday in november for 4 years Jun 25 18:10:26 do it Jun 25 18:10:38 torchie: it parsed THAT? Jun 25 18:10:53 lets see Jun 25 18:10:57 first we'll start with jake's Jun 25 18:11:04 hahaha i hope that works Jun 25 18:11:07 go to the mall in november for 4 years Jun 25 18:11:07 Tue, July 12, 12am – Wed, July 13, 12am Jun 25 18:11:07 Repeat: Every 3 weeks on Tuesday Jun 25 18:11:24 ? Jun 25 18:11:36 i meant in quick add Jun 25 18:11:36 lol Jun 25 18:11:41 unless thats what came out Jun 25 18:11:42 yeah that's the result Jun 25 18:11:53 well it tried Jun 25 18:12:03 right now there is a guy in the basement reading it, figuring it out, and typing the result back Jun 25 18:12:07 heh Jun 25 18:12:11 and then mine: Jun 25 18:12:18 "gah what the fuck is this guy talking about...whatever we'll just say july" Jun 25 18:12:21 there is a relevant video for that comment but i dont know where it is Jun 25 18:12:22 Dawn of the 10:30PM gang's new band The Tomorrows at on for to with johnny Jun 25 18:12:22 Wed, June 29, 12am – Thu, June 30, 12am Jun 25 18:12:22 Repeat: Weekly on Wednesday Jun 25 18:12:44 oh whoops Jun 25 18:13:10 Dawn of the 10:30PM gang's new band The Tomorrows at on for to with johnny Jun 25 18:13:10 Wed, June 29, 12am – Thu, June 30, 12am Jun 25 18:13:10 Repeat: Weekly on WednesdayEdit Jun 25 18:13:33 on one note, it knew that when I said 10:30 PM i didn't mean the time? Jun 25 18:14:03 lol Jun 25 18:17:42 i like stylematters, i don't know about you guys Jun 25 18:17:59 its a good reference Jun 25 18:19:40 * PatrickC wanders in Jun 25 18:20:40 oil Jun 25 18:20:43 whats the n for in your name Jun 25 18:20:51 unless its oils working Jun 25 18:21:46 sugardave i found the buttons Jun 25 18:21:49 they're in the stylematters app Jun 25 18:21:58 theres like 50 of them Jun 25 18:22:07 the butons are in the documentation Jun 25 18:22:11 buttons* Jun 25 18:22:25 aren't they? Jun 25 18:22:32 kind of Jun 25 18:22:36 i mean like Jun 25 18:22:41 affirmative, negative, secondary Jun 25 18:22:52 all the ones I needed were in there Jun 25 18:23:08 man, [redacted] looks amazing Jun 25 18:23:17 the one i'm looking at Jun 25 18:23:22 it just says Jun 25 18:23:28 this is a button Jun 25 18:23:30 this is a styled button Jun 25 18:23:33 i was like great Jun 25 18:23:41 lol Jun 25 18:24:13 sugardave: is the video player on the touchpad good? Jun 25 18:24:24 Jake_M: its like " workin' " Jun 25 18:24:52 oh workin goti t Jun 25 18:24:56 oilsworkn is showing his southern rebel side :P Jun 25 18:24:59 oil's work n Jun 25 18:25:03 i was like alright Jun 25 18:25:36 oilsworkn: how do you like your touchpad? Jun 25 18:25:53 you got one!???!/11/ Jun 25 18:26:03 so did rod Jun 25 18:26:05 well of course you got one but Jun 25 18:26:07 you got one!?1/ Jun 25 18:26:13 they sent 'em to wosi lol Jun 25 18:26:38 * oilsworkn is from/in the north Jun 25 18:26:44 not a southern bone in my body Jun 25 18:26:55 haha Jun 25 18:27:11 too hot Jun 25 18:27:40 socal ftw Jun 25 18:28:24 I love the south Jun 25 18:28:29 its too cold in the north Jun 25 18:28:30 socar ftw! Jun 25 18:28:38 i hate this state Jun 25 18:28:49 i'm going to canada or washington or something Jun 25 18:29:26 not to give anything away, but its like Jun 25 18:29:30 200 times easier to make custom buttons in enyo Jun 25 18:29:41 than that webkit border crap in mojo Jun 25 18:30:16 * oilsworkn is in washington Jun 25 18:30:29 Washington State or DC? Jun 25 18:30:32 maybe the next dev event will by in seattle Jun 25 18:30:34 state Jun 25 18:30:35 Jake_M what app? Jun 25 18:30:37 * halfhalo votes we just get rid of the east coast Jun 25 18:30:39 if i was from dc, i would have said dc Jun 25 18:30:47 either, i hate the south Jun 25 18:30:53 what do you mean what app Jun 25 18:30:57 we're washington, they're washington dc Jun 25 18:31:01 halfhalo: umm? why Jun 25 18:31:12 Jake_M what app are you working o?? Jun 25 18:31:15 on* Jun 25 18:31:16 i just call it district of columbia mostly Jun 25 18:31:21 east coast is useless Jun 25 18:31:23 lol Jun 25 18:31:23 the webos world app for enyo Jun 25 18:31:30 east coat is amazing Jun 25 18:31:55 it was fun to visit nyc, but wouldnt want to live over there Jun 25 18:32:10 oh, nyc is stupidly buisy Jun 25 18:32:16 FL's where its at! Jun 25 18:32:27 eh, it was ok Jun 25 18:32:36 * oilsworkn has been north, mid, and south on the east coast Jun 25 18:32:42 west coast still wins Jun 25 18:32:48 nope Jun 25 18:32:51 http://www.endofworld.net/ Jun 25 18:33:13 lolol so old Jun 25 18:33:15 jersey shore. need i say more? Jun 25 18:33:32 lol Jun 25 18:33:52 dont make fun of PatrickC's idols Jun 25 18:34:11 never watched that lol Jun 25 18:34:21 as he hides his dvd collection Jun 25 18:34:33 To anybody that knows Enyo; how do you scale a Mojo app to the Touchpad resolution? Jun 25 18:34:34 lol.. South FTW! Jun 25 18:34:49 bubby323: use enyo Jun 25 18:34:52 mojo works pretty good at tp res Jun 25 18:34:52 I heard it was in the appinfo.json Jun 25 18:35:03 I'm testing something Jun 25 18:35:07 Not coding anything Jun 25 18:35:17 I just don't know how to up the res. Jun 25 18:35:17 bubby323: "uiRevision":2 Jun 25 18:35:20 k Jun 25 18:35:21 thx Jun 25 18:35:22 :) Jun 25 18:35:40 bubby don't do it it's a virus Jun 25 18:35:51 heh Jun 25 18:35:59 in appinfo.json worked with mojo, so should do the same with enyo Jun 25 18:37:11 * halfhalo notes california is the worlds 6th largest economy. and ends the argument in favor of the west. Jun 25 18:37:46 hey webos internals people, is the enyo code going to be on github july 1st? Jun 25 18:38:01 if july 1st is when the NDA is lifted Jun 25 18:38:02 YES Jun 25 18:38:09 wait Jun 25 18:38:12 not on github though Jun 25 18:38:14 we got our own host Jun 25 18:38:28 http://git.webos-internals.org/ Jun 25 18:38:43 right so it'll be there? Jun 25 18:38:47 yeah Jun 25 18:38:49 word Jun 25 18:38:53 when the NDA is lifted Jun 25 18:39:00 i needed help with something and i know for a fact that a certain app already does it Jun 25 18:39:07 but i might just look at some of the enyo examples Jun 25 18:39:11 which if the past is any indication, wont be when the tp is released Jun 25 18:39:21 it will be 6 months after Jun 25 18:39:22 alright guys, the touchpad is out Jun 25 18:39:25 but you can't look at it Jun 25 18:39:30 lol Jun 25 18:39:50 hey sugardave make sure this doesn't happen! Jun 25 18:40:05 oh the touchpad is out? you can't develop for it Jun 25 18:40:07 enyo is nda Jun 25 18:40:12 no apps Jun 25 18:40:12 oilsworkn, does that mean that I can't post screenshots of my app on the web until the NDA is being lifted in months from now? Jun 25 18:40:13 heh Jun 25 18:40:23 actually thats exactly what happened with 2.1 Jun 25 18:40:26 or 2 Jun 25 18:40:47 * oilsworkn is NOT a lawyer Jun 25 18:40:49 * oilsworkn is a programmer Jun 25 18:40:49 that was so awkward. it was like...okay we can't access the emulator without EAP...okay...then they randomly lift the NDA one day and we're like oh... Jun 25 18:40:56 * bubby323 hates NDA Jun 25 18:41:01 oil can you come to court with me? Jun 25 18:41:08 lol] Jun 25 18:41:22 * oilsworkn spent 3 weeks in court a couple weeks ago :/ Jun 25 18:41:24 jury duty Jun 25 18:41:33 for a long case? Jun 25 18:41:56 the last day of my 2 week summonse i ended up on a cast lasting another week Jun 25 18:41:58 case* Jun 25 18:42:19 and we ended up going not-guilty Jun 25 18:42:28 what'd they do? Jun 25 18:42:30 they didn't prove that it was that dude who set fire to the apartment Jun 25 18:42:46 all they had is that he threatened to burn it down when he was drunk and pissed off about being evicted Jun 25 18:43:22 lol Jun 25 18:43:32 wow lol Jun 25 18:43:41 missing work/getting paid slave wages sucks Jun 25 18:43:41 great case :rollseyes: Jun 25 18:43:48 but actually being on the jury was awesome Jun 25 18:44:03 true Jun 25 18:44:29 that was my 3rd time being summoned but my first time getting selected from the pool Jun 25 18:45:21 well Jun 25 18:45:27 i mean, the first time the case went on Jun 25 18:45:40 i got selected before, but they always settled/plead out before it actually started Jun 25 18:46:13 can you touch the appinfo.json with a patch? Jun 25 18:46:15 hmm Jun 25 18:46:20 wait! Jun 25 18:46:24 patches can do anythings Jun 25 18:46:28 bubby what do you need? Jun 25 18:46:29 luckily :D Jun 25 18:46:34 nothing i got it :) Jun 25 18:46:39 there are a number of hide/show apps which modify the appinfos Jun 25 18:46:47 hode/show app patches* Jun 25 18:46:55 * oilsworkn gives up on that Jun 25 18:46:58 :| Jun 25 18:47:14 "patches can do anything" Jun 25 18:47:16 yeah right Jun 25 18:47:20 well Jun 25 18:47:24 anything to flat files :) Jun 25 18:47:32 patches need to make my phone a palm pre 3 Jun 25 18:47:40 * oilsworkn gets on it Jun 25 18:47:49 pre 2 = pre 3 please Jun 25 18:47:51 i need more overclock! Jun 25 18:48:19 all of a sudden a front facing camera appears Jun 25 18:48:29 with a 'woooop" wound Jun 25 18:48:31 it grows Jun 25 18:48:35 sound Jun 25 18:48:35 shit Jun 25 18:48:37 this kb sucks Jun 25 18:48:55 lol Jun 25 18:48:57 woooOOOOOP Jun 25 18:48:58 lol Jun 25 18:49:04 the core navi button disappears Jun 25 18:49:14 hp logo appears on back Jun 25 18:49:21 you upgraded the number of megapixels on the camera... Jun 25 18:49:25 added autofocus Jun 25 18:49:33 all the orange color drains from the kb Jun 25 18:49:34 somehow changed the color of my keyboard from orange to grey Jun 25 18:49:57 all you had to do was delete /usr/ Jun 25 18:50:10 so install bumblebee or whatever that app was? Jun 25 18:50:16 lol Jun 25 18:51:36 GDI Jun 25 18:51:41 every time i accidentally hit the period in eclipse Jun 25 18:51:46 an error comes up saying UNREACHABLE CODE Jun 25 18:51:53 Jake_M you ever made patches? Jun 25 18:52:01 i modify all my own files Jun 25 18:52:20 bites me in the ass in the long run but i get a more personalized experience Jun 25 18:52:23 GDI? the opposite of NOD? Jun 25 18:52:36 as in Jun 25 18:52:42 i don't want to offend any religious people Jun 25 18:52:43 lol Jun 25 18:52:51 * oilsworkn installs command and conquer Jun 25 18:52:59 dude Red Alert on the Playstation 1 Jun 25 18:53:04 best thing ever Jun 25 18:53:15 wha Jun 25 18:53:25 i've never played a good console RTS Jun 25 18:53:34 its never as good Jun 25 18:54:08 i have Jun 25 18:54:17 and red alert isn't GDI/NOD Jun 25 18:54:36 no no no Jun 25 18:54:37 lol Jun 25 18:54:40 i mean god dammit Jun 25 18:54:50 heh Jun 25 18:54:53 i have supreme commander Jun 25 18:54:55 but it was really.. Jun 25 18:54:57 i don't know Jun 25 18:54:59 big Jun 25 18:55:45 isnt that the voice control one? Jun 25 18:56:12 tom clancys end war is voice controlled on xbox Jun 25 18:56:17 but i had supreme commander for PC Jun 25 18:56:21 thats the one iwas thinking of Jun 25 18:56:36 * oilsworkn felt retarded attempting to play it with his voice Jun 25 18:57:22 lol Jun 25 18:57:26 hey you pickachu! Jun 25 18:57:28 best thing EVER Jun 25 18:58:46 endwar was the jam! Jun 25 18:59:58 i hated the camera angles Jun 25 19:00:09 * oilsworkn already has the best console game ever created and released Jun 25 19:00:28 STEEL BATTALION for the og xbox Jun 25 19:00:44 no no no Jun 25 19:00:50 Rainbow Six 3 Jun 25 19:01:08 does rainbow six 3 come with anything as awesome as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steel_Battalion_controllers.jpg Jun 25 19:01:10 that game was crack Jun 25 19:01:13 didn't think so Jun 25 19:01:26 lol Jun 25 19:01:46 i loved R6V2 Jun 25 19:02:22 tony hawk pro skater 3 Jun 25 19:02:27 END OF DISCUSSION Jun 25 19:02:46 heh, i remember the first tony hawk on the PSOne Jun 25 19:02:58 3 was still ps1 Jun 25 19:03:10 and none of the fancy newness with the crazy accessories Jun 25 19:03:18 before everyone could do 1080 double twist flip whatever Jun 25 19:03:26 just crazy impossible tricks with a ps1 controller Jun 25 19:03:27 the tricks were more realistic Jun 25 19:03:33 and an awesome soundtrack Jun 25 19:03:34 1080 for n64 was impossible to do a 1080 Jun 25 19:03:59 but no matter what game you're playing, when you look at the controller, its not as awesome as steel battalion Jun 25 19:04:10 its not possible for it to win Jun 25 19:04:11 and I loved the name of the developers... Neversoft :) Jun 25 19:04:14 anyone able to give a Y/N answer on whether or not webOS 2.X or 3.X 's default video players can handle mkv files? Jun 25 19:04:38 * oilsworkn has never tried to play a mkv on his pre2 Jun 25 19:04:43 plxotl: No would be a save assumption Jun 25 19:04:50 safe* Jun 25 19:04:51 knowing webos, guessing no Jun 25 19:05:12 what about that mplayer homebrew stuff? Jun 25 19:06:22 yeah, that is my guess b/c the touchpad site doesn't mention it Jun 25 19:06:40 oh interesting Jun 25 19:08:25 guys Jun 25 19:08:38 if you were to copy the youtube app and repackage it do you think it'd work? Jun 25 19:10:30 hm? Jun 25 19:10:36 why.... Jun 25 19:11:10 well i'm collaborating and i was wondering if it'd possible to try a uiRevision 2 on the outube app in the touchpad emu Jun 25 19:11:14 but we'd need the one from the pre Jun 25 19:11:31 but i didn't know if something like that would have weird dependencies outside its packaging Jun 25 19:13:11 snowball's chance in hell on webos supporting mkv out of the box Jun 25 19:13:16 lol Jun 25 19:13:17 yeah, i found the mplayer port, though i'm a bit skeptical (would doubt it's using whatever specialized decoding hardware is available) Jun 25 19:13:38 mornin adora Jun 25 19:13:44 hey Adora Jun 25 19:13:45 :D Jun 25 19:14:02 in day job work with video on iOS, lol, so i am not blaming anyone for that Jun 25 19:14:18 sup homies? Jun 25 19:14:23 not much homette Jun 25 19:14:24 not much, G Jun 25 19:14:30 or shawty or whatever Jun 25 19:14:31 I'm setting backlon at my computer to install an LTE stick, be nice Jun 25 19:14:43 heh Jun 25 19:14:49 Adora, thanks for your very flattering Tweet :-) Jun 25 19:15:00 oh yeah adora thank you for the villo tweet Jun 25 19:15:02 but Apple's video player has issues with subtitles when there's too much dialogue, and for recreational use that + hassle of converting from mkv -> whatever it can play is an annoying combo Jun 25 19:15:24 phoque_uni/Jake_M = webosworld? Jun 25 19:15:31 idk about phoque Jun 25 19:15:35 ...so native mkv support makes a touchpad a preorder item, otherwise i'll probably get one in a month or two, sigh Jun 25 19:15:39 oh Jun 25 19:15:42 me and noah run webos world Jun 25 19:15:44 I don't know Jake_M :-) Jun 25 19:15:48 heh Jun 25 19:15:54 i do the webos world app and i write al ot of the articles Jun 25 19:15:59 * oilsworkn thinks we met in NYC? Jun 25 19:16:07 me? Jun 25 19:16:18 idk, i met a couple dudes from webosworld Jun 25 19:16:21 you met noah Jun 25 19:16:25 oh Jun 25 19:16:27 maybe we should start distributing anime in .avi with hard subtitles instead Jun 25 19:16:27 and you met sirataxero probably too Jun 25 19:16:34 yeah Jun 25 19:16:36 i wanted to go but i'm too young Jun 25 19:16:45 aw Jun 25 19:17:26 * halfhalo almost went.. oh well Jun 25 19:17:39 * oilsworkn points and laughs at halfhalo Jun 25 19:17:39 oil wheres the govnah enyo Jun 25 19:17:53 is it cool? :) Jun 25 19:18:00 probably Jun 25 19:18:03 it doesnt exist yet Jun 25 19:18:06 lololol Jun 25 19:18:08 lol Jun 25 19:18:21 not exactly at the top of my massive list of apps to rewrite Jun 25 19:18:38 true that Jun 25 19:18:40 since its not very useful until there are kernels, which wont happen until there is source for 3.x Jun 25 19:19:04 lies Jun 25 19:19:05 torchie: good guess and anime is the worst offender, but i've had issue with some chinese dramas, on iOS subs go into a queue and have a minimum display duratoin, so they can get backed up for minutes at a time if they come in fast and furious Jun 25 19:20:13 byeee Jun 25 19:20:17 lol Jun 25 19:20:40 but the last few days have been spent making the mojo versions of our apps work at tp res Jun 25 19:20:53 they scale pretty good Jun 25 19:21:08 everyone knows that by launch there will be a super awesome kernel that unlocks a third core Jun 25 19:21:14 heh Jun 25 19:21:17 :-) Jun 25 19:21:20 can somebody help me with palm-package? Jun 25 19:21:28 palm-package folder Jun 25 19:21:36 :-D Jun 25 19:21:40 or if you ship a service Jun 25 19:21:46 ugh i need enyo helpppp Jun 25 19:21:51 palm-package folderofapp folderofservice folderofpackage Jun 25 19:21:52 :-D Jun 25 19:21:57 right Jun 25 19:21:57 I want palm-make-me-a-samich Jun 25 19:22:03 it's mindbogglingly easy to ship a service Jun 25 19:22:27 I was so afraid by it until I first tried Jun 25 19:22:36 * oilsworkn wants halfhalo-make-me-a-samich Jun 25 19:23:03 that could be accomplished with a large cash donation Jun 25 19:23:11 you didn't say sudo Jun 25 19:23:35 cat "can of tuna" Jun 25 19:23:35 the wii-u looks amazing Jun 25 19:23:53 meta-x make-me-a-samich Jun 25 19:24:06 meh wiiu is meh Jun 25 19:24:08 PatrickC: If you're into 1 player games Jun 25 19:24:18 or jario Jun 25 19:24:26 mario* Jun 25 19:24:31 twbbas: its 5 player Jun 25 19:24:42 But only first player gets tablet controller Jun 25 19:24:55 yeah so? Jun 25 19:25:04 can you pull an ipk from a phone? Jun 25 19:25:27 bubby323: kinda/sorta Jun 25 19:25:28 My point is that the big deal of the WiiU is the tablet controller Jun 25 19:25:32 bubby323, no, but you can pull the extracted files Jun 25 19:25:36 and they are only allowing 1 player to do it Jun 25 19:26:45 bubby323: you can tar the application source dir on the phone, move it to /media/internal, copy to host, un-tar, palm-package -> an ipk Jun 25 19:27:08 that sounds like to much work Jun 25 19:27:24 it's like 3 commands and a couple of mouse clicks Jun 25 19:27:31 hahaha Jun 25 19:27:36 exactly! Jun 25 19:27:36 you're a couple of mouse clicks! Jun 25 19:27:46 tar it and move it in the same command Jun 25 19:27:57 there's no palm-borrow command Jun 25 19:28:09 pre-placement up and running Jun 25 19:28:40 17 hours from making claim Jun 25 19:28:56 claim? Jun 25 19:28:59 haeffb: what are you talking about? Jun 25 19:29:07 drunk again? Jun 25 19:29:09 oh, I totally have a way to remember tar xzf thanks to the french Jun 25 19:29:09 or still? Jun 25 19:29:26 wifes pre touchscreen stopped working last night Jun 25 19:29:41 filed a claim with asurion, replacement up and running now Jun 25 19:29:44 tar zcf /media/internal/ima_dirty_thief.tar.gz [app source dir] Jun 25 19:29:54 and, still Jun 25 19:30:11 eXtract Ze Files! Jun 25 19:30:17 lol Jun 25 19:30:23 haeffb: they still replace Pres? Jun 25 19:30:26 yep Jun 25 19:30:30 cool Jun 25 19:30:35 and, they sent it with a TS back Jun 25 19:30:41 nice Jun 25 19:30:42 http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/1/4/6/giant-nes-controller4.jpg - haha! Jun 25 19:31:01 so, should I write a node.js service for background syncing? Jun 25 19:31:14 why not Jun 25 19:31:29 let me count the reasons: 1) I don't know node.js Jun 25 19:31:31 haeffb: do it, then write a wiki page :D Jun 25 19:31:39 node.js...sounds like javascript Jun 25 19:31:44 it is Jun 25 19:31:59 with fancy functions Jun 25 19:32:10 I would help, but I'm busy doing the impossible Jun 25 19:32:19 the seemingly impossible, anyway Jun 25 19:33:20 what, hulu AND netflix at the same time? Jun 25 19:33:29 dohtem: HAHAHAHAH Jun 25 19:33:46 does the app catalog let you drop prices for temporarily? Jun 25 19:33:55 it should Jun 25 19:34:10 you just do a meta-update with the new prices Jun 25 19:34:11 may be a little off topic, but i put my verizon branded meid on my verizon account, but cant get past the activation screen on the phone. is there a non-hack way to activate the phone? Jun 25 19:34:21 oops, on my palm pre plus Jun 25 19:34:44 while i'm here: any rumblings about hp putting out like a, 12-14", ~ 1600x1200 TouchPad Pro? Jun 25 19:35:08 thanks sugardave Jun 25 19:35:10 erhm mumblings? Jun 25 19:35:48 TouchPad as a Wii U remote! Jun 25 19:35:48 longcat: I know embarrassingly little about cell phones and activating them :/ Jun 25 19:36:35 i think i need to dial *228 to complete activation, but i need to complete activation before i can do that Jun 25 19:37:01 it won't let you go to the "sos call" screen or whatever it's called? Jun 25 19:37:06 I don't think you have to Jun 25 19:37:18 I think you can call customer service anytime Jun 25 19:37:38 i can call cust service, which tells me to dial *228 to activate a phone. maybe a person can do something manually for me Jun 25 19:38:10 yeah, you may have to call them and give them the meid again Jun 25 19:40:10 I want a Touchpad OnLive client Jun 25 19:40:13 <3 Jun 25 19:41:07 any reports of netflix or hulu plus on touchpad Jun 25 19:41:15 so do i... but mostly because get onlive free Jun 25 19:43:59 i want everything Jun 25 19:45:26 ok, so now why is this printer not working? Jun 25 19:45:42 its not an HP printer Jun 25 19:45:50 True Jun 25 19:52:37 howdy :) Jun 25 19:53:28 shit Jun 25 19:53:46 thats what happens when you click Ctrl-W too fast on a tabbed browser Jun 25 19:53:47 lol Jun 25 19:54:43 last i heard netflix is coming and nothing on hulu Jun 25 19:55:13 i wish they would give developers access to the new catalog, i wonder what they give reviewers Jun 25 19:56:46 howdy why would "Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene();" not close current scene? Jun 25 20:02:21 whats your fav webOS app? Jun 25 20:03:18 you Jun 25 20:03:25 stock or downloaded? Jun 25 20:04:55 both. Jun 25 20:05:36 yeah i'm wondering how many apps are in that there catalog Jun 25 20:05:53 more than 25 i bet ;) Jun 25 20:07:04 LoneStar99, maybe there are no more on the stack Jun 25 20:07:17 or maybe you want to close a stage and not just pop a scene Jun 25 20:15:53 stock: messaging, downloaded: phnx Jun 25 20:17:14 my messaging has custom colors though Jun 25 20:25:20 why do windows updates take forever to install when you shut down your computer? Jun 25 20:25:44 I'm using wirc until this thing finishes Jun 25 20:26:13 twbbas, accidentally hit "shutdown" instead of "reboot" when trying to switch back to OSX or Linux? Jun 25 20:27:22 haha. I'm a windows-only person Jun 25 20:27:29 ewww Jun 25 20:27:30 :-P Jun 25 20:27:53 wind is pretty nice Jun 25 20:27:59 win7* Jun 25 20:28:06 anybody working on something like teamviewer for touchpad? Jun 25 20:28:07 that's true Jun 25 20:28:10 this autocorrect, haha Jun 25 20:28:11 except for its shell Jun 25 20:28:18 and Git Jun 25 20:28:25 that was enough to make me switch Jun 25 20:28:26 :-D Jun 25 20:29:50 (smile your on camera) Jun 25 20:29:51 :P Jun 25 20:30:01 apparently there's no LTE-coverage in Adoras area Jun 25 20:30:02 :- Jun 25 20:31:08 You know that how? xDd Jun 25 20:31:25 she tried to install an LTE stick, then disconnected and hasn't been back since Jun 25 20:31:43 weird Jun 25 20:31:54 That why she left.. Jun 25 20:32:03 * twbbas has been stuck on "installing update 2 of 4" for over an hour Jun 25 20:32:45 on preware? Jun 25 20:32:50 or on win7 Jun 25 20:34:24 win7 Jun 25 20:34:46 kick it or something Jun 25 20:35:00 tried Jun 25 20:35:06 i got stuck this morning on that too just wait it out it took like 30 mins Jun 25 20:35:07 nothing Jun 25 20:35:56 oh well. talk to you guys later Jun 25 20:36:02 k Jun 25 20:54:24 Hulu is working :D Jun 25 20:57:09 ? Jun 25 20:57:52 In the emulator Jun 25 20:57:58 Hulu is working. Jun 25 20:58:23 Pretty well, if you take out all the debugging crap then it's golden. Jun 25 21:01:24 phoque_uni: it is a help menu... instead of pop how can i go back to previous scene? Jun 25 21:01:39 yeah. pop should do that Jun 25 21:02:26 yeah weird, it always works but it is having problems with TP version of app Jun 25 21:07:33 LoneStar99: if your code is inside the scene you want to pop, just use this.controller.stageController.popScene(); Jun 25 21:11:54 so HP are supporting homebrew, is this "new" news? Jun 25 21:15:08 so im looking for cloud based tools for webOS. backup stuff esp. any recommendations? Jun 25 21:18:13 sugardave: ok thanks will try that in abit. Jun 25 21:26:27 turns out, you can select 'emergency number' erase 911 and dial *228 Jun 25 21:28:02 what does *228 do? Jun 25 21:28:10 activates a phone Jun 25 21:28:26 carrier activates the phone so you can palm activate a phone Jun 25 21:28:38 that's what I was saying about the 'sos call' thingie Jun 25 21:28:53 oh damn Jun 25 21:29:22 oh right, so i can use it without a sim card then? Jun 25 21:29:51 no, *228 is basically the same as putting in a sim card Jun 25 21:29:51 to call 911, yeah Jun 25 21:30:02 but for customer service on a carrier you need a sim Jun 25 21:30:22 611 (cust service) doesnt require activation... dialed it from my unactivated phone to troubleshoot Jun 25 21:30:42 oh, I see Jun 25 21:30:45 ok, so i dont have a working sim card, so i have to just put up with a "dead" phone as i cant do anything... if i *228 the phone i can use apps on it etc? play around, over wifi? Jun 25 21:31:22 *228 is the cdma equiv of putting in an activated sim card... i think you'll need that special version of palm doctor to hack your way around the activation screen Jun 25 21:32:25 I THINK in webOS 2.x you can create a palm profile without carrier activation, but I may be wrong about that Jun 25 21:33:35 hrm Jun 25 21:42:28 is webos 1.4 the latest for pre+? Jun 25 21:43:09 1.4.5.1 for Verizon, 1.4.5 for AT&T, 2.1 for O2 Germany Jun 25 21:43:43 2.x... will that come for verizon on the pre+? Jun 25 21:43:56 wouldn't hold your breath! Jun 25 21:44:05 that would be murder Jun 25 21:44:51 Yeah, probably never. Jun 25 21:45:05 You can do it with MetaDoctor. Jun 25 22:19:40 weird, stupid scene will not pop... Jun 25 22:20:51 are you getting any errors when/before you call popScene? Jun 25 22:24:27 how did you load the scene? Jun 25 22:24:34 did you push it or did you swap it? Jun 25 22:25:35 u cant pop it unless you inflate it Jun 25 22:30:12 sugardave: will not believe it but the listener was not even in setup... "yes i am an idiot" Jun 25 22:30:50 i will drive away in my benz kit car Jun 25 22:31:44 ooops :D Jun 25 22:31:55 benz made out of a la baron Jun 25 22:32:08 ghetto Jun 25 22:33:32 ok works now, will submit TP app for 4th time Jun 25 22:33:35 This TextOne app is awesome Jun 25 22:36:19 hey guys, i have exchange mail sync to my phone, but its imported all contacts over and above what is just in my exchange contacts.... i have only about 100 contacts, yet its imported about 300. how can i tell it to import only _actual_ contacts and nothing more? Jun 25 22:41:37 this is my problem.. http://forums.palm.com/t5/ActiveSync/Exchange-contact-syncing-in-2-1/td-p/333050 Jun 25 22:41:46 has anyone been able to solve this? or is suffering with it? Jun 25 22:47:34 no idea Jun 25 22:50:45 4th time is the charm Jun 25 23:36:50 http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-3d/97060-support-group-palm-webos-users.html -- :( Jun 25 23:40:34 huh=? Jun 25 23:41:56 pfft... Jun 25 23:42:14 what the hell are thoes red " [Only registered and activated users can see links." looks like shit Jun 25 23:43:11 yeah, but the replies are more interesting. former webOS users Jun 25 23:45:19 LoneStar99: you "have" to register... it's the way to tease you Jun 25 23:45:20 ;) Jun 25 23:45:32 bugmenot.com Jun 25 23:45:56 how do you all not have that firefox extension? Jun 25 23:47:21 dohtem: yeah the replies are lame "click here to register" designer(s) should "click here to register" go back to UI school "click here to register" Jun 25 23:47:36 lol Jun 25 23:47:49 heh Jun 25 23:48:03 the entire point of it is to be as annoying as it can possibly be to get you to register Jun 25 23:48:12 not to be a nice to use UI lol Jun 25 23:48:26 true Jun 25 23:48:37 does precentral do that too? Jun 25 23:48:40 yeah but principal allow being so ugly i will never visit site again Jun 25 23:48:45 yeah Jun 25 23:48:47 they belong to the same family Jun 25 23:48:52 but it's not as bad on Precentral Jun 25 23:49:05 principal alone Jun 25 23:50:20 have visited precentral "click here to register" plenty of times and have never seen "click here to register" the red text Jun 25 23:54:50 Android Central probably gets a lot more hits than Precentral does, hence the more annoying ploys to get you to register ;P Jun 25 23:57:34 yeah probably for now.... Jun 26 00:16:22 sugardave: you there? Jun 26 00:16:48 I am for a few...about to chow down on some brisket and sausages...mmmm Jun 26 00:17:25 pm please :) Jun 26 00:17:56 how hard do you think it would be to write an app that would send every SMS that is recieved and sent to a GMail account under a label "SMS"? Jun 26 00:20:55 Probably harder than just porting your number to Google Voice and getting the same thing Jun 26 00:22:24 no Google Voice in UK. Jun 26 00:22:37 and no Backup of SMS on webos [that I can find] Jun 26 00:22:46 Well, it's there-just as voicemail only I think Jun 26 00:22:47 so i think that could be my first app, once i work out how! Jun 26 00:22:50 no SMS support, etc Jun 26 00:34:11 the labeling part is easy Jun 26 00:38:31 man, I really hate having to re-login to the dev forums Jun 26 00:46:39 ok laters time to watch US vs. Mex for Gold Cup! Jun 26 00:49:38 not being able to get calls while syncing music is so... wtf Jun 26 00:50:02 is there a way to override this? Jun 26 00:51:05 not that I'm aware of Jun 26 00:57:18 Has HP announced anything on phonegap support Jun 26 00:58:59 wouldn't that be a phonegap announcement? Jun 26 01:13:09 Yeah, pretty sure that's all on Phonegap Jun 26 01:33:57 the Mexican arrives ranting about the match Jun 26 01:33:59 :@ Jun 26 01:34:11 lol Jun 26 01:34:25 2-0! Jun 26 01:34:28 USA USA USA! Jun 26 01:34:39 Silence!!! I kill you!!! Jun 26 01:35:15 what happened? we're not THAT good Jun 26 01:35:41 2-0. oh yeah Jun 26 01:36:01 dwc-: Is there a live stream? Jun 26 01:36:57 if I were going to look for a stream, I'd try espn3 first Jun 26 01:37:25 nope. right now it's just lacrosse Jun 26 01:37:33 or try Univision Jun 26 01:37:42 equalizer! Jun 26 01:37:46 well 2-1 Jun 26 01:37:48 Tooooomenla!!!!!! 2-1!! :D Jun 26 01:37:59 (take it!) ;) Jun 26 01:38:12 NuttyBunny: Jorge Campos for life! Jun 26 01:38:23 the commentary on univision/telemundo fútbol is way better than the soccer commentary on espn/nbc anyways Jun 26 01:39:06 I don't even know where I'm looking the match at, a friend sent me a link and I'm looking at it on my Pre 2 :D Jun 26 01:39:17 well you should share Jun 26 01:39:20 yup Jun 26 01:39:25 (and we'll hope it's not geo-restricted) Jun 26 01:39:38 PAAAAAALLLLMMMMMM!! This is what I wanted in the world cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jun 26 01:40:29 This one works fine: http://www.rojadirecta.es/goto/firpotv.blogspot.com/2010/08/futbol-de-el-salvador.html Jun 26 01:40:44 ah, it's in spanish btw Jun 26 01:41:03 don't need to know much spanish to watch soccer Jun 26 01:41:52 fsc on directv ftw Jun 26 01:42:15 in 1080p Jun 26 01:42:19 on mah tv Jun 26 01:42:26 *jealous* Jun 26 01:42:41 Nice :D Jun 26 01:42:49 I still live on SD world :( Jun 26 01:43:02 I don't even have cable at home Jun 26 01:43:14 no digital HD OTA? Jun 26 01:44:32 yes, but not required yet Jun 26 01:45:04 * dwc- wants replay Jun 26 01:45:05 booo score! Jun 26 01:45:24 2-2!!!! Jun 26 01:45:27 YEAHH!!!!! Jun 26 01:45:31 Chicharito FTW!!! :D Jun 26 01:47:31 Ah, no, it was Guardado.. whatever, a goal is a goal :) Jun 26 01:52:08 4 goals in one half... this is crazy Jun 26 01:52:09 si quiere escuchar en ingles, va a http://www.concacaftv.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Home... es gratis. Jun 26 01:54:02 twbbas: click link, concacaftv@mailinator.com / bugmenot Jun 26 01:55:19 oh man, thanks! Jun 26 01:56:53 Ok, first half, 2-2.. nice :D Jun 26 02:01:28 anybody know how to change the user agent? Jun 26 02:02:11 context? Jun 26 02:04:05 i messaged you Jake_M Jun 26 02:13:43 bubby323: i think hex editing the binary or patching the code may be the only way to change it Jun 26 02:14:06 what code or binary? Jun 26 02:16:33 there's a thread about it on PreCentral somewhere Jun 26 02:16:46 probably a wiki page too Jun 26 02:18:32 3-2? nice Jun 26 02:18:56 not nice :( USA! Jun 26 02:21:04 theres that gleaming moment where i think my codes going to work Jun 26 02:21:05 then it doesn't Jun 26 02:21:49 Jake_M: Happens every time :) Jun 26 02:21:52 aren't those times great? story of my life Jun 26 02:21:56 kick it Jun 26 02:22:03 kicking things always makes 'em work Jun 26 02:22:11 the logic is all there Jun 26 02:22:14 it just...doesn't work Jun 26 02:22:44 On another news: http://twitpic.com/5gx2oe Used just velcro, works fine :D Jun 26 02:23:07 you velcroed your palm pre 2 Jun 26 02:23:10 to your car Jun 26 02:23:42 that takes balls Jun 26 02:23:42 xD Jun 26 02:24:09 nope, it's a touchstone Jun 26 02:24:24 :) Jun 26 02:24:27 not really, did you see the thing about velcro w/ the ipad Jun 26 02:26:11 I read on some page: "Apple's EULA will not permit you to attach velcro or any other similar hook and loop fastener to the iPad unless it has been purchased from Apple at an Apple store." Jun 26 02:26:20 wtf with that?? Jun 26 02:26:24 oh man Jun 26 02:26:24 Lulwhat? Jun 26 02:26:28 off the crossbar, NuttyBunny Jun 26 02:26:29 they'll sue you Jun 26 02:26:34 not permitted Jun 26 02:26:42 did you read the fine print?! Jun 26 02:28:32 they also own your sole Jun 26 02:28:35 *soul Jun 26 02:28:46 quite possibly Jun 26 02:28:48 :3 Jun 26 02:29:40 * NuttyBunny does not own nor use any apple product Jun 26 02:30:08 from Microsoft, just hardware. (and Office, but that's for work, I'd prefer LibreOffice) Jun 26 02:44:48 4-2 :( Jun 26 02:44:59 4-2 :) Jun 26 02:45:06 our defender didn't have that good of hops Jun 26 02:45:16 needed to jump higher Jun 26 02:45:51 Mexico's gonna win Jun 26 02:46:44 oh, that guy Jun 26 02:46:48 it's the other dude's fault Jun 26 02:46:56 that was a terrible centering Jun 26 02:49:35 fuck i just deleted my entire project Jun 26 02:49:44 too bad it was getting absolutely nowhere Jun 26 02:49:51 and i have the code from the only scene i wrote Jun 26 02:49:53 so we're good Jun 26 02:51:16 you... what'd you do? Jun 26 02:51:29 how does that happen? lol Jun 26 02:51:41 well Jun 26 02:51:49 i Jun 26 02:52:08 rm -rf * Jun 26 02:52:09 ;) Jun 26 02:52:31 NuttyBunny: one time I messed up my OS so much that I decided to reformat, so I ran rm -rf / Jun 26 02:52:34 and watched it Jun 26 02:52:41 it was sorta neat, until rm deleted itself Jun 26 02:52:43 O_o Jun 26 02:52:44 then it was boring Jun 26 02:52:50 rm can delete itself just fine Jun 26 02:52:56 it's already running Jun 26 02:53:26 what's more fun is untarring a system backup on a running system Jun 26 02:53:29 well, it got angry when I did it Jun 26 02:53:35 tar is dynamically linked, so when libc starts to get rewritten Jun 26 02:53:42 BOOM Jun 26 02:53:46 then you cant do SHIT Jun 26 02:54:24 rewriting yea, unlinking shouldn't be a problem Jun 26 02:54:36 longcat: that's also what kills rm -rf / generally, .so Jun 26 02:54:38 files Jun 26 02:54:40 all those so libs get linked at runtime Jun 26 02:54:57 sigh Jun 26 02:55:13 #mexicocampeon top worldwide twitter trending topic :D Jun 26 02:55:52 camepeon = game in spanish, right? Jun 26 02:55:57 campeon* Jun 26 02:56:08 champion Jun 26 02:56:14 ah Jun 26 02:56:21 game is juego Jun 26 02:56:35 Isn't game also like camp-something? Jun 26 02:56:43 or am I thinking of field? Jun 26 02:56:58 campo is field Jun 26 02:57:06 Ah. I might of been thinking of that Jun 26 02:57:12 #MexicoField :D Jun 26 02:57:19 dunno, I forgot most of my spanish :p Jun 26 02:57:34 heh, it's only been a year since I stopped taking Spanish. I'm getting rusty! Jun 26 02:58:01 I last took a spanish class in high school more than a decade ago Jun 26 02:58:21 I finished my spanish senior sem last semester >_> Jun 26 02:58:37 I finished my spanish senior sem a year ago Jun 26 02:59:50 I wish I could take it in college but I just have soooo many classes to take with engineering major **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 26 02:59:57 2011