**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 28 02:59:58 2011
Jun 28 03:06:13 <dohtem> Helvetica, why are you so sexy?!
Jun 28 03:10:57 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 28 03:12:57 <cwayne> wooooooooo
Jun 28 03:13:06 * cwayne finally bought a new car
Jun 28 03:13:43 <summatusmentis> bah, cars
Jun 28 03:14:07 * rwatkins has owned no car in 10+ yrs now.
Jun 28 03:14:26 * cwayne has to
Jun 28 03:19:32 * CTLAdvance is working to pay his off... 10 months or less
Jun 28 03:22:01 * oil drives 87 honda accord
Jun 28 03:24:37 <discombobulate> stylin
Jun 28 03:32:45 * halfhalo wants a new car....
Jun 28 03:43:20 <dohtem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99bNIJeosjU -- how to drive an entire restaurant insane
Jun 28 04:14:06 <dwc-> I'd ditch the car too if I lived in NYC
Jun 28 04:14:47 <Epyon22> northern va not friendly if you dont have a car
Jun 28 04:15:23 <dwc-> most anything but the densist metros not friendly without a car
Jun 28 04:17:05 <dwc-> *densest
Jun 28 04:18:06 <Epyon22> they are building a new line right out side my work though
Jun 28 04:18:23 <Epyon22> all the way to dulles
Jun 28 04:19:00 <dwc-> which part of dc are you in
Jun 28 04:19:34 <Epyon22> i work around tysons corner
Jun 28 04:19:52 <Epyon22> live in centreville area...gotta drive no matter what i do
Jun 28 04:20:35 * dwc- pulls up a map
Jun 28 04:23:03 <Epyon22> well im off to bed gnight everyone
Jun 28 04:23:09 <uncola> good night
Jun 28 04:23:15 <dwc-> I like how google maps from centreville to dulles takes you all the way into arlington
Jun 28 04:23:22 <uncola> I'll miss you, like the desert misses the rain
Jun 28 04:23:27 <Epyon22_sleep> lol
Jun 28 04:23:36 <dwc-> and then basically says ... or you could just drive/taxi straight to iad
Jun 28 04:23:43 <Epyon22_sleep> what? why does it take you to arlinton?
Jun 28 04:23:54 <dwc-> I mean via transit
Jun 28 04:24:01 <Epyon22_sleep> oh lol yeah
Jun 28 04:24:15 <Epyon22_sleep> you should just ask someon for a ride lol
Jun 28 04:24:36 <dwc-> 2:42 including 0:14 of driving to a station... vs 16 min just to go straight there
Jun 28 04:24:44 <dwc-> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Centreville,+VA&daddr=Washington+Dulles+International+Airport,+Sterling,+VA&geocode=FUeoUAIdc4di-ynznkp6gUS2iTEs2skWESuTCQ%3BFQJfUgIddD1i-yFUkDGRJ71SzA&hl=en&mra=ltm&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=06%2F27%2F11&time=9:18pm&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&sll=38.900652,-77.332764&sspn=0.169395,0.294571&ie=UTF8&z=10&start=0
Jun 28 04:32:49 <CTLAdvance> multi tasking in android 3.1 really is garbage
Jun 28 04:33:03 <CTLAdvance> you cant clear stuff out of the multi tasking pane as far as I can tell
Jun 28 04:33:25 <CTLAdvance> at least in IOS you can hold the app down then hit the x, in webOS swipe away....
Jun 28 04:33:54 <CTLAdvance> even using task manager doesnt clear them out of 3.1 interesting
Jun 28 04:33:58 <dwc-> and pray
Jun 28 04:34:03 <uncola> heh it's supposed to be automatic
Jun 28 04:34:11 <dwc-> I sometimes have to go into jstop and kill the wirc plugin
Jun 28 04:34:17 <CTLAdvance> thats the problem
Jun 28 04:34:19 <uncola> but generally honeycomb tablets with 1gb of ram don't need to close programs because the ram is so ample
Jun 28 04:34:22 <CTLAdvance> it keeps the last 18
Jun 28 04:34:36 <CTLAdvance> there is no organization and its driving me INSANE...
Jun 28 04:34:37 <CTLAdvance> :)
Jun 28 05:07:44 <uncola> do you think there will be a giant influx on friday?
Jun 28 05:07:55 <uncola> or will webos adoption be slow but steady?
Jun 28 05:16:38 <torchie> honeycomb multitasking is disgusting
Jun 28 05:16:54 <torchie> I doubt duarte had any reasonable amount of influence on the interface design
Jun 28 05:17:53 <torchie> webos adoption's gonna start really slow with the touchpad
Jun 28 05:18:13 <torchie> I feel personally that they made the right decision on the price
Jun 28 05:18:49 <rwhitby> I doubt duarte is as much of a sole influence on webOS or Android as everyone seems to assume
Jun 28 05:18:56 <torchie> that too
Jun 28 05:19:22 <torchie> touchpad's still thicker than the ipad and has less apps and inferior build and no rear camera (it matters, deal with it) BUT
Jun 28 05:19:35 <torchie> it will be the best competing product
Jun 28 05:19:35 <torchie> and HP is running a marathon
Jun 28 05:19:45 <rwhitby> I suspect is his name was John Smith, there would be far less articles associating him with the UI design ;)
Jun 28 05:19:49 <rwhitby> s/is/if/
Jun 28 05:20:06 <chpwn> lol
Jun 28 05:20:12 <uncola> I don't think anyone uses the rear camera on a 10" tablet anyway
Jun 28 05:20:17 <uncola> hp were right to omit it
Jun 28 05:20:21 <torchie> they were wrong to
Jun 28 05:20:58 <uncola> the ipad2 cameras are really awful, both of them :/
Jun 28 05:21:04 <torchie> cameras do things besides take pictures, of course people aren't going to spend ten hours straight using their ipad to snap professional photography
Jun 28 05:21:07 <uncola> my playbook cameras are the best I've seen on a phone/tablet
Jun 28 05:21:25 <uncola> but even then I don't use the rear one
Jun 28 05:21:26 <dohtem> uncola: Spike Lee does - http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5640477343/in/set-72157626421975237
Jun 28 05:21:28 <dohtem> :)
Jun 28 05:21:31 <uncola> heh I've seen that
Jun 28 05:22:00 <torchie> on the HP marathon: if the world's largest trashy commodity race-to-the-bottom PC maker is saying that they're ditching AMD and Intel and forgoing both windows and android
Jun 28 05:22:15 <torchie> they are damn well in it for the long run
Jun 28 05:25:27 <torchie> meanwhile google hasn't said anything since I/O, samsung is volume and material constrained, motorola has been bleeding money since the original droid, HTC has no 10" tablet yet
Jun 28 05:25:43 <torchie> but hey, the eee pad transformer is apparently successful
Jun 28 05:26:01 <uncola> I traded my transformer this week for a samsung chromebook
Jun 28 05:26:05 <uncola> the chromebook still hasn't arrived
Jun 28 05:26:07 <torchie> why
Jun 28 05:26:19 <uncola> I have lots of tablets but no laptop
Jun 28 05:26:21 <summatusmentis> the transformer form-factor is compelling
Jun 28 05:26:36 <torchie> a transformer with keyboard dock would be more useful than a chromebook i imagine
Jun 28 05:26:50 <torchie> android has a browser... and other things!
Jun 28 05:26:58 <uncola> the keyboard is a 10" netbook size one.. wasn't comfortable for me to type on
Jun 28 05:27:06 <uncola> yeah in some ways android has more functionality than chrome os
Jun 28 05:27:07 <torchie> ah i see
Jun 28 05:27:25 <uncola> for instance, how the hell am I going to irc on the chromebook?
Jun 28 05:27:30 <torchie> there are websites
Jun 28 05:27:31 <torchie> but
Jun 28 05:27:33 <uncola> I have to use a mibbit webapp
Jun 28 05:27:34 <torchie> freenode blocks theme
Jun 28 05:27:36 <torchie> them*
Jun 28 05:27:37 <uncola> terrible experience
Jun 28 05:27:41 <torchie> last I checked freenode blocked mibbit
Jun 28 05:27:46 <torchie> which is just bull
Jun 28 05:27:51 <uncola> I hope someone hacks an irc client into chrome os
Jun 28 05:27:58 <uncola> or extends gtalk to do irc or something
Jun 28 05:28:00 <torchie> meanwhile android has like 5 different pretty OK clients
Jun 28 05:28:04 <torchie> ooh that would be interesting
Jun 28 05:30:59 <torchie> wow
Jun 28 05:31:01 <torchie> I need a kettle
Jun 28 05:36:25 <sugardave> how do you decide between doing:  function() {...}();  and (function() {...})();
Jun 28 05:36:28 <sugardave> ?
Jun 28 05:37:00 <dwc-> doesn't freenode have its own webchat?
Jun 28 05:39:12 <uncola> I'm on multiple networks/channels
Jun 28 05:42:13 <oil> wIRC :)
Jun 28 05:43:30 <dwc-> hmm, copying over usb is about as fast (slow) for me as hozing my $20 dd-wrt router struggling to wpa2
Jun 28 05:45:16 <uncola> hmm
Jun 28 05:45:41 <uncola> ok I think I know what I have to do to irc on the chromebook.. I guess I need to get a shell account and then SSH to it
Jun 28 05:45:54 <uncola> I've been resisting non gui irc clients for a while but I guess now is the time
Jun 28 05:46:11 <chpwn> uncola: actually.
Jun 28 05:46:48 <chpwn> uncola: there's a very good web IRC client
Jun 28 05:46:53 <chpwn> that I completely forget the name of.
Jun 28 05:47:43 <uncola> is it the irccloud service?  it's closed beta, and will have a monthly fee
Jun 28 05:47:58 <chpwn> oh, yeah, that.
Jun 28 05:48:06 <chpwn> Closed beta… didn't even know that.
Jun 28 05:48:19 <chpwn> (but wouldn't a shell account have a fee too?)
Jun 28 05:48:29 <uncola> yeah I guess it would
Jun 28 05:48:40 <dwc-> irc cloud?
Jun 28 05:48:44 <dwc-> depends on the shell
Jun 28 05:49:05 <uncola> my server runs windows too so I can't run it myself
Jun 28 05:49:15 <dwc-> you can run cygwin sshd on windows :)
Jun 28 05:49:43 <uncola> maybe I can hax0r the chromebook to run a command line irc client
Jun 28 05:49:47 <uncola> it's sort of linux isn't it?
Jun 28 05:50:00 <chpwn> Yes, Chrome OS :p
Jun 28 05:51:26 <dawm|laptop> http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/05/computer-algorithm-depixelizes-your-8-bit-games/
Jun 28 05:55:05 <PatrickC_School> 'ello all
Jun 28 06:01:09 * Patrick_C mumbles at his phone, and wal*marr
Jun 28 06:01:12 <Patrick_C> mart*
Jun 28 06:08:14 <Patrick_C> night
Jun 28 06:10:44 <torchie> that algorithm
Jun 28 06:10:48 <torchie> is basically supereagle
Jun 28 06:10:56 <torchie> from every snes emulator ever
Jun 28 06:11:04 <torchie> and visualboyadvance!
Jun 28 06:11:17 <Patrick_C> huh?
Jun 28 06:13:37 <dawm|laptop> whoa
Jun 28 06:13:41 <dawm|laptop> google voice search
Jun 28 06:13:50 <dawm|laptop> works pretty good
Jun 28 06:14:00 <Patrick_C> on webos???
Jun 28 06:14:07 <dawm|laptop> no on my mac in chrome
Jun 28 06:14:17 <dawm|laptop> just noticed a microphone icon in the search box in google
Jun 28 06:14:22 <dawm|laptop> clicked it and it said speak
Jun 28 06:14:28 <Patrick_C> awesome!
Jun 28 06:14:31 <dawm|laptop> so i spoke and it understood ;p
Jun 28 06:14:48 <Patrick_C> now, if only code was like that hehe.. I would be so much more productive :P
Jun 28 06:14:55 <dawm|laptop> yah
Jun 28 06:15:09 <dawm|laptop> 'make a sweet ass game like angry birds'
Jun 28 06:15:14 <Patrick_C> how's my favorite game? :)
Jun 28 06:15:15 <dawm|laptop> ...bing
Jun 28 06:15:25 <dawm|laptop> meh
Jun 28 06:15:26 <Patrick_C> no, ...google ;)
Jun 28 06:15:36 <dawm|laptop> really wishing it worked as a canvas game
Jun 28 06:15:42 <Patrick_C> ...bing is for microsoft lol
Jun 28 06:15:44 <dawm|laptop> lots to do in the pdk version =/
Jun 28 06:15:53 <Patrick_C> it worked before, didn't it?
Jun 28 06:15:58 <dawm|laptop> audio lag
Jun 28 06:16:03 <Patrick_C> ah
Jun 28 06:16:03 <dawm|laptop> crap framerate
Jun 28 06:16:07 <dawm|laptop> too much overhead as a SDK
Jun 28 06:16:14 <Patrick_C> framerate seemed fine to me
Jun 28 06:16:22 <Patrick_C> how far is it along?
Jun 28 06:16:25 <dawm|laptop> it was 1/3rd the speed
Jun 28 06:16:28 <dawm|laptop> same as before
Jun 28 06:16:32 <dawm|laptop> havent done anything
Jun 28 06:16:41 <Patrick_C> PDK loads quicker then SDK, so that's a plus :)
Jun 28 06:16:43 <Patrick_C> ah
Jun 28 06:16:46 <dawm|laptop> heh
Jun 28 06:16:54 <dawm|laptop> but the sdk was practically done
Jun 28 06:17:00 <Patrick_C> yeah :/
Jun 28 06:17:08 <Patrick_C> you using C or C++ ?
Jun 28 06:17:15 <dawm|laptop> c++ and learning
Jun 28 06:17:21 <Patrick_C> heh
Jun 28 06:17:27 <Patrick_C> I need to learn it too..
Jun 28 06:17:35 <Patrick_C> online tutorial or book?
Jun 28 06:17:47 * halfhalo-mobile needs to refresh his asm carp.
Jun 28 06:17:50 <dawm|laptop> i have a book for c reference
Jun 28 06:18:00 <dawm|laptop> but pretty much just winging it
Jun 28 06:18:06 * dwc- has the K&R book
Jun 28 06:18:38 * Patrick_C has no books
Jun 28 06:18:49 <dawm|laptop> i can finish it as pdk, but its not gonna have everything i had planned that i can do easily as an sdk app
Jun 28 06:18:54 * halfhalo-mobile has shelves full of books.
Jun 28 06:18:56 <Patrick_C> that will change once I get my Kindle app for my TP :)
Jun 28 06:21:22 <halfhalo-mobile> bah
Jun 28 06:22:04 * halfhalo-mobile only buys physical books for computer language stuff.  make its oh so much easier.
Jun 28 06:22:26 <Patrick_C> local walmart doesn't have the tp :/
Jun 28 06:24:20 <Patrick_C> umm.. my app is no longer compatible with the Pre for some reason
Jun 28 06:24:35 <halfhalo-mobile> ruhroh
Jun 28 06:24:37 <uncola> out of tp, huh?  I know what that's like
Jun 28 06:24:40 <Patrick_C> or so it says in My Apps.. people, check the My Apps section and your apps
Jun 28 06:24:43 <uncola> you'll use anything to get clean
Jun 28 06:24:56 <halfhalo-mobile> like 100 dollar bills.
Jun 28 06:25:14 <Patrick_C> uncola: haha
Jun 28 06:25:24 <uncola> or hp computer catalogs
Jun 28 06:25:30 <Patrick_C> no!
Jun 28 06:25:31 <uncola> stop trying to sell me an elitebook hp
Jun 28 06:25:39 <Patrick_C> Apple Computer Catalogs, yes
Jun 28 06:25:45 <Patrick_C> android catalogs, yes
Jun 28 06:25:47 <Patrick_C> HP, no
Jun 28 06:25:54 <torchie> they should play on the whole "catalog" theme for the app catalog
Jun 28 06:26:03 <torchie> Oh my, look at the new...
Jun 28 06:26:06 <torchie> ...wIRC!
Jun 28 06:26:19 <Patrick_C> torchie: see it in the catalog?
Jun 28 06:26:29 <torchie> talk to friends and friendly strangers alike with this time-tested internet relay chat protocol in a beautiful application
Jun 28 06:26:41 <Patrick_C> oh lol
Jun 28 06:26:46 <oil> yeah, in testing
Jun 28 06:26:51 <torchie> only 3.99, order now
Jun 28 06:27:27 <Patrick_C> oil: Lumberjack gonna be ready on launch?
Jun 28 06:27:35 <oil> who knows
Jun 28 06:27:38 <oil> lol
Jun 28 06:27:43 <Patrick_C> haha
Jun 28 06:27:46 <oil> possibly?
Jun 28 06:27:49 <Patrick_C> what about Preware?
Jun 28 06:27:54 <Patrick_C> or is that more rod?
Jun 28 06:27:55 <oil> no
Jun 28 06:28:00 <oil> mojo version works fine though
Jun 28 06:28:04 <Patrick_C> oh good
Jun 28 06:28:29 <Patrick_C> how about wirc? :)
Jun 28 06:28:37 <oil> works at tp res also
Jun 28 06:28:42 <Patrick_C> awesome
Jun 28 06:28:50 <Patrick_C> how about not having a gesture bar?
Jun 28 06:28:57 <Patrick_C> does that affect it?
Jun 28 06:29:22 <oil> they've all been outfitted with back buttons and search buttons
Jun 28 06:29:51 <Patrick_C> touchpad only versions? I don't see that version in preware.. afaik
Jun 28 06:30:18 <oil> no
Jun 28 06:30:26 <oil> it just senses if its on a tp and adds the buttons
Jun 28 06:30:36 <Patrick_C> ah, awesome!
Jun 28 06:30:49 <Patrick_C> I know preware has the "tap on header" thing...
Jun 28 06:31:20 <oil> eh, im not a fan of that being there on devices with a back gesture, but meh
Jun 28 06:31:26 <rwhitby> Patrick_C: actually it has back buttons
Jun 28 06:31:40 <rwhitby> but only on devices without gestures
Jun 28 06:31:45 <Patrick_C> ah
Jun 28 06:32:06 <Patrick_C> I haven't tried it on a device without gestures, so I wouldn't know.. cool
Jun 28 06:32:19 <rwhitby> and doing touchpad-only versions of things makes no sense
Jun 28 06:32:39 <rwhitby> so all updates will be either full-screen mojo or universal packaged
Jun 28 06:32:48 <Patrick_C> ah
Jun 28 06:32:57 <Patrick_C> sounds cool
Jun 28 06:33:12 <Patrick_C> what about fat-packaging it? with mojo+enyo in the same IPK?
Jun 28 06:33:44 <rwhitby> universal packaging
Jun 28 06:33:57 <Patrick_C> I thought that's what that ment
Jun 28 06:34:02 <Patrick_C> but I didn't know for sure
Jun 28 06:34:43 <Patrick_C> ok.. its 1:30 am.. I'm off to bed
Jun 28 06:34:46 <Patrick_C> night all
Jun 28 06:36:15 <torchie> can you have an app that is both enyyo and mojo?
Jun 28 06:36:18 <torchie> OH
Jun 28 06:36:20 <torchie> whoops
Jun 28 06:36:47 <rwhitby> Hello! is such an app
Jun 28 06:37:15 <rwhitby> works on every webOS device in existence, including C service, PDK plugin and Node.JS service
Jun 28 06:37:31 <rwhitby> single package, runs anywhere.
Jun 28 06:40:44 <torchie> hott
Jun 28 06:41:03 <hotdp> Goodmorning
Jun 28 06:43:50 <dawm|laptop> awesome
Jun 28 06:43:51 <dawm|laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFYMppaMFQ
Jun 28 06:52:32 <dawm|laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI
Jun 28 07:00:56 <hotdp> dawm|laptop: maybe you should listen to di.fm ChipTunes http://listen.di.fm/public3/chiptunes.pls
Jun 28 07:11:14 <trial> Hi all.. I am stuck with  webos html+mojo  usage. I need to call pushScene from a function which i have called from html button onClick attribute.
Jun 28 07:11:38 <trial> I get the error saying stagecontroller object is not found..plz help.
Jun 28 07:13:06 <trial> Help plz:-(
Jun 28 07:18:15 <hotdp> are you calling the stagecontroller?
Jun 28 07:18:24 <trial> yeah...
Jun 28 07:18:55 <hotdp> but it can't find it it says :D
Jun 28 07:21:21 <trial> Cannot read property 'stageController' of object --> this is the error
Jun 28 07:21:49 <trial> 	pushred=function() 	{ 	this.controller.stageController.pushScene("red"); 	}
Jun 28 07:21:55 <trial> this is the function i used
Jun 28 07:22:35 <torchie> T minus 3 days
Jun 28 07:23:25 <trial> this function is called from the html content button tag
Jun 28 07:23:38 <hotdp> Yer but the error says it all
Jun 28 07:23:47 <hotdp> this.controller.stageController <-- is not found
Jun 28 07:23:57 <trial> what else can i use
Jun 28 07:24:06 <trial> i tried Mojo.controller.stageController too..
Jun 28 08:17:32 <Jake_M> if anyones up who knows enyo/events i need a little help please :)
Jun 28 08:26:06 <Jake_M> i need sconix
Jun 28 08:36:23 <Jake_M> oh wow i just figured out my problem
Jun 28 08:36:29 <Jake_M> i'll thank sconix anyway
Jun 28 13:57:59 <PatrickC> morning all
Jun 28 14:21:20 <ddluk> Hi all :)
Jun 28 14:21:59 <ddluk> Do you know any Pre-Paid or virtual Visa or Mastercard card for payment in App Catalog for USA ?
Jun 28 14:32:43 <rwhitby> yes. www.simon.com
Jun 28 14:33:06 <rwhitby> there are at least 10 threads on PreCentral on this subject.
Jun 28 14:41:54 <ddluk> prabably there are, but I'm asking here for something which is working :)
Jun 28 14:41:59 <ddluk> I will check that simon.com
Jun 28 14:42:54 <ddluk> but as I see simon have only American Express card which will not work
Jun 28 14:46:38 <dwc-> paypal?
Jun 28 14:58:55 <dawm_> hrm
Jun 28 14:59:11 <dawm_> 7 minutes used, 700 texts sent, 170,777KB used ..
Jun 28 14:59:20 <dwc-> needs more 7s
Jun 28 14:59:30 <dawm_> $7 Insurance
Jun 28 15:00:07 <PatrickC> ddluk: paypal student accounts give out Master Card Debit Cards
Jun 28 15:00:08 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 28 15:00:28 <ddluk> I'm from Poland :)
Jun 28 15:01:03 <PatrickC_Away> then I don't know :)
Jun 28 15:01:07 <PatrickC_Away> I'm from the US
Jun 28 15:01:23 <dawm_> hrm i didnt know you could block txts and calls by adding em to the sprint website
Jun 28 15:02:17 <dawm_> ok soo.. sprint has a phone
Jun 28 15:02:22 <dawm_> Sanyo Taho by Kyocera
Jun 28 15:02:31 <dawm_> who makes it? Sanyo or Kyocera?
Jun 28 15:06:26 <matbee> Kyocer
Jun 28 15:06:28 <matbee> Kyocera
Jun 28 15:06:31 <matbee> obviously :P
Jun 28 15:06:41 <dawm_> people that have facebook accounts for their new born that cant even walk, and then post stuff thru that account should die..
Jun 28 15:06:48 <dawm_> but it says Sanyo on the front
Jun 28 15:06:55 <matbee> maybe its the name
Jun 28 15:07:02 <dawm_> its the sanyo logo
Jun 28 15:07:19 <oil> dawm_: you mean my baby isn't the most awesome thing you've ever seen?
Jun 28 15:07:21 <matbee> maybe its a partnership
Jun 28 15:07:32 <oil> here, check out more pictures of it laughing
Jun 28 15:10:06 <haeffb-pre> app catalog wirc works much better than the preware version...
Jun 28 15:10:48 <dohtem> the writing on webosroundup could use some work
Jun 28 15:10:58 <haeffb-pre> for those who haven't yet purchased
Jun 28 15:11:41 <oil> haeffb-pre: :)
Jun 28 15:11:48 <oil> its the exact same code xD
Jun 28 15:11:49 <oil> wll
Jun 28 15:11:53 <oil> mostly
Jun 28 15:12:04 <oil> new version in testing works at touchpad res :)
Jun 28 15:12:08 * oil goes to work
Jun 28 15:12:56 <haeffb-pre> oil: the code works harder when it knows its getting paid
Jun 28 15:13:25 <oil> lol
Jun 28 15:16:35 * haeffb-pre is testing wirc colors
Jun 28 15:17:24 * haeffb-pre tsestin
Jun 28 15:17:27 <haeffb-pre> nice
Jun 28 15:20:21 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 28 15:20:41 <dawm_> ugh
Jun 28 15:20:46 <rwhitby> ddluk: wow, looks like www.simon.com have changed from Visa/Mastercard to American Express.
Jun 28 15:21:34 <rwhitby> ddluk: in that case, I know of *NO* online prepaid US credit/debit cards that do not require you to already have a US bank account or social security number.
Jun 28 15:21:53 <dawm_> 500 points short of getting $25 cash from my banks rewards program.. which apparently ends July 1st.. meh
Jun 28 15:21:53 <rwhitby> (since www.simon.com was the only such before they changed to American Express)
Jun 28 15:44:58 <hotdp> evning
Jun 28 15:45:49 <LoneStar99> good evening hotdp
Jun 28 15:47:25 <chuqui> morning
Jun 28 15:47:50 <rwatkins> morning.  congrats on beating the ipad to a native facebook client.  :)
Jun 28 15:48:16 <haeffb-pre> hi chuqui
Jun 28 15:48:49 <simfa> looking for an easy way to start a self written js service from an other app...i can use palmservice call right?
Jun 28 15:52:48 <Hendikins> rwhitby: https://www.simon.com/giftcard/order_build.aspx?package=198
Jun 28 15:52:58 <Hendikins> Looks like there is still a method of getting a Visa card.
Jun 28 15:53:20 <Hendikins> https://www.simon.com/giftcard/order_build.aspx?package=199 too
Jun 28 15:53:52 <ddluk> yes, but I'm from Poland so I can't order it :)
Jun 28 15:53:57 <Hendikins> They bury it right at the end of the "select a card image" list, have to scroll.
Jun 28 15:54:33 <Hendikins> They're pushing the AMEX pretty hard though.
Jun 28 15:54:57 <Hendikins> ddluk: I'm in AU so I can't buy it either, but it is an option for people who know somebody in the US (get them to buy the card)
Jun 28 15:55:30 <ddluk> I'm looking for way how to buys apps from App Catalog
Jun 28 16:00:50 <Hendikins> I haven't even looked at any appcat stuff since HP canned the open access feeds.
Jun 28 16:02:56 <dcousineau> hokai
Jun 28 16:05:07 <dcousineau> no word on dev coupons?
Jun 28 16:05:17 <summatusmentis> I expect we'll hear more July 1
Jun 28 16:05:24 <dcousineau> :(
Jun 28 16:05:28 <dcousineau> but that's the day I want my touchpad :(
Jun 28 16:05:34 <summatusmentis> yeah, me too
Jun 28 16:05:37 * dcousineau is impatient and needs to stfu
Jun 28 16:08:45 <phoque> dcousineau, selftrolling, how novel ;-)
Jun 28 16:09:02 <halfhalo-mobile> dcousineau is weird like that.
Jun 28 16:09:31 <dcousineau> flagellation in the 21st century
Jun 28 16:39:51 <simfa> question: is it only possible for a db8 datastorage to be used from a app and service at the same time?
Jun 28 16:42:42 <oilsworkn> what
Jun 28 16:43:15 <oilsworkn> db8 makes me :(
Jun 28 16:48:02 <simfa> oh ;) read something about db8 can be used from two apps at the same time
Jun 28 16:48:19 <simfa> is it so difficult?
Jun 28 16:52:57 <rwatkins> db8 any faster than websql?  because from what I see at the moment sql perf really sux .. sometimes.
Jun 28 16:53:22 <oilsworkn> never tested the speed
Jun 28 16:53:34 <oilsworkn> my experience with db8 is that its for just type
Jun 28 16:53:35 <oilsworkn> and not much else
Jun 28 16:54:13 <oilsworkn> 20mb shared between all apps is not enough for much else
Jun 28 16:55:59 <simfa> mhh k what would u use for a simple data storage on the device?
Jun 28 16:56:28 <summatusmentis> cookies, iirc?
Jun 28 16:56:49 <summatusmentis> or, at least, that's what there was in mojo
Jun 28 16:56:59 <summatusmentis> no idea about enyo
Jun 28 16:57:04 <oilsworkn> depends on how simple
Jun 28 16:57:18 <oilsworkn> in 2.x they introduced localStorage
Jun 28 16:57:22 <oilsworkn> which is better then cookies :)
Jun 28 16:59:23 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: lol
Jun 28 16:59:29 <PatrickC> easier then cookies?
Jun 28 17:00:14 <oilsworkn> yep
Jun 28 17:00:33 <rwatkins> ya, Ive gone w/ localStorage, but not quite big enough either.
Jun 28 17:00:52 <oilsworkn> then your only option is sqlite
Jun 28 17:01:16 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: official documented on dev site or is that HTML5?
Jun 28 17:01:46 * oilsworkn resists urge to lmgtfy patrick
Jun 28 17:02:40 <PatrickC> lol.. I get it.. :)
Jun 28 17:03:03 <rwatkins> wonder how bad gzipping before localStorage would be ...
Jun 28 17:03:08 <rwatkins> hm.
Jun 28 17:03:08 <PatrickC> HP TouchPad Gets First "Unofficial Unboxing" at WalMart [VIDEO] @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/hp-touchpad-gets-first-unofficial-unboxing-at-walmart-video/
Jun 28 17:03:23 <oilsworkn> meh, heh
Jun 28 17:03:43 * rwatkins unboxed already.
Jun 28 17:04:00 * PatrickC wanted to.. but couldnt
Jun 28 17:04:04 <PatrickC> rwatkins: how?!
Jun 28 17:04:14 <rwatkins> pull tape, open box!
Jun 28 17:04:40 <PatrickC> how'd you get one lol
Jun 28 17:04:49 <rwatkins> huh, what you say?
Jun 28 17:05:10 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 28 17:05:42 <rwatkins> :)
Jun 28 17:05:43 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 28 17:06:02 <PatrickC> has anyone does the terminus fix on 2.x?
Jun 28 17:06:28 <oilsworkn> worst sentence ever
Jun 28 17:06:40 <hotdp> lol
Jun 28 17:06:54 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: I've got terminus working on 2.1
Jun 28 17:07:06 <PatrickC> done*
Jun 28 17:07:11 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: PM?
Jun 28 17:07:18 <summatusmentis> sure
Jun 28 17:08:00 <oilsworkn> ohh secret conversation
Jun 28 17:08:46 <summatusmentis> meh, not seekrit
Jun 28 17:09:16 * PatrickC looks around suspiciously...
Jun 28 17:09:24 * oilsworkn has to go install this crazy fingerprint-using timeclock anyways
Jun 28 17:09:32 <PatrickC> what? lol
Jun 28 17:09:42 <oilsworkn> i dont care about your secret conversation
Jun 28 17:11:01 * oilsworkn takes pic of it
Jun 28 17:13:17 <oilsworkn> http://i52.tinypic.com/118m36g.jpg
Jun 28 17:16:06 <Loudergood> fingerprint AND a card?
Jun 28 17:16:13 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: who is the head dev for Terminal??
Jun 28 17:16:23 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: nice what is that a terminal of some sort?
Jun 28 17:16:52 <Loudergood> if you need two factor auth for the timeclock then maybe you should consider hiring employees you can trust O_o
Jun 28 17:17:10 <Loudergood> if it has a print only mode then that's kind of cool
Jun 28 17:21:03 <simfa> thanks everyone for help!
Jun 28 17:21:04 <simfa> bye
Jun 28 17:21:18 <oilsworkn> we just use the fingerprint reader, not the card
Jun 28 17:21:46 <oilsworkn> there used to be a problem with "buddy-punching" before we switched to these
Jun 28 17:21:58 <oilsworkn> LoneStar99: timeclock
Jun 28 17:22:06 <oilsworkn> PatrickC: destinal?
Jun 28 17:22:09 <oilsworkn> brb
Jun 28 17:22:15 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn:  oh ok
Jun 28 17:22:27 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: thanks
Jun 28 17:24:13 <haeffb-pre> rwatkins: agree on the site performance
Jun 28 17:25:21 <rwatkins> haeffb-pre: site performance?  getting old, have bad memory.  :)
Jun 28 17:25:39 <haeffb-pre> sqlite
Jun 28 17:25:45 <rwatkins> ah
Jun 28 17:25:49 <haeffb-pre> auto-incorrect
Jun 28 17:26:05 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 28 17:26:47 <haeffb-pre> sometimes its atrocious
Jun 28 17:33:07 <LoneStar99> anyone know of a pre media kit, just need to demo the hardware buttons on an app
Jun 28 17:37:22 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: what do you mean?
Jun 28 17:38:45 <LoneStar99> like a screenshot of actual phone
Jun 28 17:39:39 <PatrickC> a regular camera?
Jun 28 17:39:59 <LoneStar99> no, like professional shot...
Jun 28 17:40:16 <PatrickC> not that I know.
Jun 28 17:40:19 <LoneStar99> ok just anwsweed my question will go to HP page...
Jun 28 17:47:50 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 28 17:49:41 <PatrickC> yeah, hrm
Jun 28 18:01:21 <LoneStar99> is aurora around?
Jun 28 18:15:45 <oilsworkn> aurora?
Jun 28 18:20:17 <haeffb-pre> borealis
Jun 28 18:33:58 <leiru> madnificent: !
Jun 28 18:36:14 <leiru> we now support node with uglifyJS for builds which makes compressing a lot faster -> would assume 3 times.
Jun 28 18:36:37 <leiru> next step woould be a node-jslint integration into the script :)
Jun 28 18:42:55 <leiru> hm, or maybe porting it as whole to node
Jun 28 18:43:13 <LoneStar99> ripped the image from hp and modified it http://bobc.in/im/help/img/dr100_paint_menu.jpg
Jun 28 18:44:18 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 28 18:45:18 <dohtem> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6450253/webos-3-0-enyo-button-onclick-event  -- ack!
Jun 28 18:45:39 <LoneStar99> http://bobc.in/im/drop/cc/
Jun 28 18:46:02 <oilsworkn> "Enyo is still under NDA, this question should be asked on the developer forums. – Ben Combee yesterday"
Jun 28 18:46:22 <oilsworkn> & lol @ palmPAD
Jun 28 18:46:24 <halfhalo-mobile> also: palmpad
Jun 28 18:46:35 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 28 18:47:15 <dohtem> I wish the webOS tag on stackoverflow saw more activity
Jun 28 18:47:16 <oilsworkn> http://stackoverflow.com/users/716492/ajay-patel
Jun 28 18:48:02 <oilsworkn> why does the android tag get a fancy image?
Jun 28 18:48:41 <rwatkins> looks like a sweet CRT there in the bg  http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/2eb5e231c8f559e595bfc3783a7e15e2?s=256&d=identicon&r=PG
Jun 28 18:49:05 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 28 18:49:42 <rwatkins> cuz stackoverflow is essentially an 'official' android support forum
Jun 28 18:49:49 <dohtem> really?
Jun 28 18:49:52 <oilsworkn> gay
Jun 28 18:50:22 <torchie> official like
Jun 28 18:50:28 <torchie> stackoverflow is like
Jun 28 18:50:33 <torchie> the actual android support team?
Jun 28 18:50:43 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 28 18:50:53 <oilsworkn> all we get is sugardave
Jun 28 18:50:54 <rwatkins> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/stackoverflow-android-support.php
Jun 28 18:51:03 <discombobulate> it's pretty helpful
Jun 28 18:51:09 <oilsworkn> sugardave?
Jun 28 18:51:15 <discombobulate> yeah him too
Jun 28 18:51:26 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 28 18:52:13 <LoneStar99> daniweb.com is also very helpful
Jun 28 18:52:38 * oilsworkn votes webos icon should be small picture of rwhitbys face
Jun 28 18:52:46 <discombobulate> heh
Jun 28 18:52:50 <dohtem> haha
Jun 28 18:52:52 <rwatkins> "Android rep Roman Nurik wrote in a blog post, "We're working with StackOverflow to improve developer support, especially for developers new to Android. In essence, the Android tag on Stack Overflow will become an official Android app development Q&A medium."
Jun 28 18:53:27 <oilsworkn> eh, it would probably be a hp logo
Jun 28 18:53:30 <dohtem> I want my palmPAD
Jun 28 18:54:00 <oilsworkn> palmpad is so much better then touchpad
Jun 28 18:54:01 <LoneStar99> IWantAPalmPad.net
Jun 28 18:54:04 <oilsworkn> as far as names go
Jun 28 18:54:17 <oilsworkn> imo
Jun 28 18:54:44 <discombobulate> yeah agreed
Jun 28 18:54:56 <torchie> neither's good but I prefer touchpad
Jun 28 18:55:21 <LoneStar99> i like touchpad better also
Jun 28 18:55:27 * oilsworkn wants to check out the rumored 7incher
Jun 28 18:55:27 <torchie> there are going to be a lot of "oh there's the HP ipad" situations though :(
Jun 28 18:55:27 <dohtem> Depends Palmpad.  Protection you can trust!
Jun 28 18:55:35 <dohtem> ^^
Jun 28 18:55:42 <oilsworkn> no
Jun 28 18:55:46 * rwatkins dislikes the term 'pad' generally.
Jun 28 18:55:51 <discombobulate> i like the palm branding part
Jun 28 18:55:52 <torchie> I'm sad that RIM didn't go with BlackBoard
Jun 28 18:55:53 <torchie> or make a 10" tablet
Jun 28 18:55:54 <oilsworkn> the question you get is "what kind of ipad is that?"
Jun 28 18:55:55 <torchie> or a good tablet
Jun 28 18:55:56 <LoneStar99> torchie: i agree
Jun 28 18:55:56 <discombobulate> palmtab
Jun 28 18:56:00 <torchie> well who knows maybe it's good
Jun 28 18:56:08 <torchie> kid sees my nook color
Jun 28 18:56:10 <maik> i'm sad Sprint are fucking over webOS lovers :(
Jun 28 18:56:13 <LoneStar99> "That new HP IPad is sweet"
Jun 28 18:56:15 <torchie> WHOA YOU HAVE AN IPAD
Jun 28 18:56:16 <torchie> yeah sure
Jun 28 18:56:31 <torchie> sprint webos lovers are now evo 3D lovers :(
Jun 28 18:56:33 <summatusmentis> fucking over is a little strong
Jun 28 18:56:35 * oilsworkn puts apple sticker on the back of his touchpad to throw people off
Jun 28 18:56:36 <torchie> it was a sabotage
Jun 28 18:56:42 <discombobulate> oilsworkn: hah
Jun 28 18:56:43 <torchie> let's just embrace it
Jun 28 18:56:43 <rwatkins> ha nice
Jun 28 18:56:45 <maik> i'm going for the Galaxy S II
Jun 28 18:56:45 <torchie> yes this is the HP ipad
Jun 28 18:56:49 <torchie> it is better than the apple ipad
Jun 28 18:56:53 <torchie> this is the sony gameboy
Jun 28 18:57:06 <torchie> it is better than the nintendo gameboy
Jun 28 18:57:06 <oilsworkn> actually, i want a webosinternals sticker to put on there
Jun 28 18:57:10 <discombobulate> the sony gameboy is badass
Jun 28 18:57:13 <oilsworkn> but apparently everyone has one but me :/
Jun 28 18:57:18 <halfhalo-mobile> hp ipad to go along with my old hp ipod!
Jun 28 18:57:21 <torchie> I'm gonna go nexus S
Jun 28 18:57:27 <torchie> and if the nexus S pisses me off, sprint within
Jun 28 18:57:32 <torchie> and if android pisses me off, HTC arrive
Jun 28 18:57:47 <torchie> no gyro or ffc :(
Jun 28 18:57:51 * oilsworkn would switch carriers before jumping off webos
Jun 28 18:58:01 <discombobulate> devoted
Jun 28 18:58:04 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: I'm alsmost there too
Jun 28 18:58:06 <torchie> well if I switch carriers I'm just going to call it a day and get an iphone
Jun 28 18:58:14 * halfhalo-mobile took a slight detour between his pre plus and veer.
Jun 28 18:58:15 <oilsworkn> my 2 years are up
Jun 28 18:58:18 <oilsworkn> im prime switching time
Jun 28 18:58:23 <discombobulate> torchie: thats crazy talk
Jun 28 18:58:28 <dohtem> OG pre still?
Jun 28 18:58:46 <LoneStar99> "Where can I find the HP iPad"...   "Does the HP iPad run Apple Games?"
Jun 28 18:59:01 <oilsworkn> even if i have to pay more for crappier service i want to go where webos goes
Jun 28 18:59:19 <summatusmentis> see, if I had the resources for that, I'd agree
Jun 28 18:59:27 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: sprint is dropping webos devices?
Jun 28 18:59:30 <summatusmentis> but I do like to be able to use my phone
Jun 28 18:59:32 <oilsworkn> well
Jun 28 18:59:35 <oilsworkn> they havent announced anything
Jun 28 18:59:39 <dohtem> heh, like the PlayBook commercials.. they only thing they can say is, "Flash! It runs Flash! Look, Flash! Unlike that other tablet, we have Flash!"
Jun 28 18:59:39 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: there's no direct evidence to support that
Jun 28 18:59:42 <summatusmentis> just conjecture
Jun 28 18:59:50 <discombobulate> hah yeah.. yay flash
Jun 28 18:59:52 <maik> there's no evidence to support that they are getting either though
Jun 28 18:59:56 <summatusmentis> clearly
Jun 28 19:00:01 <oilsworkn> i mean, if they announce they're getting the pre3 im not going anywhere
Jun 28 19:00:04 <summatusmentis> hence, the conjecture that they aren't
Jun 28 19:00:18 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  oh ok cool
Jun 28 19:00:26 <maik> i kinda want a phone with NFC though
Jun 28 19:00:31 <oilsworkn> i got this "happy anniversary" letter from sprint a few weeks ago
Jun 28 19:00:32 <summatusmentis> I asked some sprint rep on chat, they said "we're working to get webos devices"
Jun 28 19:00:35 <summatusmentis> which doesn't mean anything
Jun 28 19:00:35 <maik> HDMI i can do without
Jun 28 19:00:59 <oilsworkn> its all "do you want $5 off your bill or 30 minutes credit to your next 3 bills?"
Jun 28 19:01:10 <oilsworkn> so i go to their site to redeem my $5
Jun 28 19:01:13 <oilsworkn> and the website is broken
Jun 28 19:01:17 <dohtem> haha
Jun 28 19:01:17 <discombobulate> $5?
Jun 28 19:01:21 <discombobulate> big spenders
Jun 28 19:01:25 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 28 19:01:31 <maik> ya, i got that letter
Jun 28 19:01:31 <oilsworkn> at first i thought it was a joke
Jun 28 19:01:34 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Have you checked Twitter in the past hour?
Jun 28 19:01:34 <maik> i trashed it
Jun 28 19:01:48 <oilsworkn> maik THATS 5 DOLLARS YOU THREW AWAY!
Jun 28 19:01:49 <dohtem> one time $5 discount, or a monthly thing?
Jun 28 19:01:52 <summatusmentis> twbbas: yes, why do you ask?
Jun 28 19:01:53 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 28 19:01:54 <oilsworkn> one time
Jun 28 19:01:59 <maik> it's insulting
Jun 28 19:02:01 <discombobulate> your time and effort to go and redeem is worth more than $5 i bet
Jun 28 19:02:01 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Because I'm jealous you won
Jun 28 19:02:05 <twbbas> ;)
Jun 28 19:02:08 <oilsworkn> or 30 mins for the next three months
Jun 28 19:02:10 <maik> here's 5 bucks, kiddo.  don't spend it all in one place
Jun 28 19:02:10 <oilsworkn> which ill never use
Jun 28 19:02:14 <summatusmentis> twbbas: heh, I was not expecting to at all :)
Jun 28 19:02:20 <dohtem> meh, $5 is $5 but damn Sprint
Jun 28 19:02:33 <discombobulate> shoulda sent you a $5 bill
Jun 28 19:02:36 <summatusmentis> twbbas: I'm kinda hoping I can use it on a dev-priced TP :)
Jun 28 19:02:43 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 28 19:02:44 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Oh yeah. That'd be awesome
Jun 28 19:02:44 <maik> how much am i paying your company per month?  thanks for having a reliable network around here, but you don't do anything else for me
Jun 28 19:03:12 <summatusmentis> twbbas: otherwise, I have no idea what I'm gonna do with it :)
Jun 28 19:03:24 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Hold a contest if you're not going to use it!
Jun 28 19:03:39 <oilsworkn> lol
Jun 28 19:03:41 <discombobulate> what'd ya win?
Jun 28 19:03:41 <summatusmentis> twbbas: I didn't say I wasn't going to use it :-P just that I don't know how
Jun 28 19:03:47 <twbbas> heh
Jun 28 19:04:04 <summatusmentis> discombobulate: a $20 HP giftcard in the @HPAcademy drawing
Jun 28 19:04:06 <oilsworkn> oh, lunchtime
Jun 28 19:04:15 <discombobulate> oh slick
Jun 28 19:04:18 <summatusmentis> indeed
Jun 28 19:04:26 <twbbas> Is it for anything on HP.com
Jun 28 19:04:27 <twbbas> ?
Jun 28 19:04:33 <summatusmentis> I don't know the details
Jun 28 19:04:35 <summatusmentis> details*
Jun 28 19:09:24 <torchie> huh.
Jun 28 19:09:31 <torchie> I think I hate cooking large pieces of chicken
Jun 28 19:10:29 <dohtem> twbbas: Quick! How much longer?
Jun 28 19:10:35 <twbbas> There are 2days 8hrs 52mins 28secs until the HP TouchPad launches in Walmart
Jun 28 19:10:36 <summatusmentis> the latent militant vegetarian in me would tell you not to cook chicken :)
Jun 28 19:10:40 <dohtem> I love when he does that :)
Jun 28 19:10:40 <twbbas> 8 secs too slow
Jun 28 19:10:55 <summatusmentis> but you know, I'm too ambivanlent
Jun 28 19:11:29 <torchie> but chicken is delicious
Jun 28 19:52:33 <Tibfib> chpwn: howdy!
Jun 28 19:52:41 <Tibfib> I didn't realize how famous you were last time you were in the room
Jun 28 19:57:06 <oil> heh
Jun 28 19:57:32 <Tibfib> :D
Jun 28 20:01:21 <codeslaw> whatup
Jun 28 20:02:56 <Tibfib> codeslaw: did you ever update the drum machine app?
Jun 28 20:04:28 <Tibfib> because that was a cool app
Jun 28 20:05:01 <maik> is there a good way to get the current interface's IP address on the device?
Jun 28 20:05:09 <codeslaw> Tibfib:  no =(
Jun 28 20:05:16 <Tibfib> :(
Jun 28 20:05:38 <codeslaw> i need to learn a c++ framework of sorts
Jun 28 20:30:57 <halfhalo_> :/ i murdered myself off of irc.
Jun 28 20:40:15 <LoneStar99> mojo compatibilty mode in sdk 3.0 ai't that compatible, just got a long list from HP of bugs with mojo in 3.0
Jun 28 20:41:14 <Vyker> whats the likleyhood of webos 3.0 making it to the likes of pre2 devices?
Jun 28 20:41:23 <rwatkins> pretty good
Jun 28 20:41:28 <discombobulate> yeah.. i got some webview issues with the mojo in 3.0..
Jun 28 20:43:13 <Vyker> cool, thanks
Jun 28 20:45:57 <LoneStar99> discombobulate:  that was one of the bugs mentioned
Jun 28 20:46:21 <LoneStar99> " WebView widgets are not currently working properly in Mojo compatibility mode."
Jun 28 20:50:30 <twbbas> http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/06/early-adopters-your-new-touchpad-just-got-50-closer.html
Jun 28 20:50:41 <twbbas> I hope that's not what their "make it right" plan is
Jun 28 20:51:41 <summatusmentis> yeah, that's pretty... meh
Jun 28 20:51:55 <summatusmentis> I bought my pre- second-hand
Jun 28 20:52:04 <summatusmentis> and I don't want a 32GB TP
Jun 28 20:52:08 <summatusmentis> as an example :)
Jun 28 20:52:51 <dkirker> $50 isn't too bad
Jun 28 20:53:23 <rwatkins> those details better be emailed by Thursday night
Jun 28 20:53:27 <dkirker> actually, I am pretty tight on cash at the moment, so... this will help me a bit. Means I can feel better about getting a touchpad and an accessory
Jun 28 20:53:39 <summatusmentis> no, the amount is reasonable
Jun 28 20:53:42 <summatusmentis> it's just not complete
Jun 28 20:53:52 <summatusmentis> and it requires that you buy the more expensive model
Jun 28 20:54:04 <dkirker> ugh... ok, just saw that
Jun 28 20:54:09 <dkirker> well then...
Jun 28 20:54:19 <dkirker> I won't comment anymore. :(
Jun 28 20:54:21 <rwhitby-tp> Lessee ... 10 old webOS devices x $50 = ...
Jun 28 20:54:36 * rwatkins now goes rummaging about for an ancient receipt for a phone he hasnt used in months ...
Jun 28 20:55:05 <dkirker> well, if it was per device owned, I could get a 32GB TP for the price of a 16GB. I'd do it. :D
Jun 28 20:56:13 <rwatkins> rwhitby-tp: you purchased 10 devices?
Jun 28 20:56:20 <summatusmentis> although, I suppose second-hand purchasers aren't early adopters
Jun 28 20:56:50 <summatusmentis> wait, how is proof-of-purchase defined?
Jun 28 20:57:32 <dcousineau> My pre- is in pieces
Jun 28 20:57:33 <rwatkins> thats in the " watch your email inbox for details".
Jun 28 20:57:35 <dcousineau> but I have the original box
Jun 28 20:57:38 <rwatkins> could be UPC.
Jun 28 20:57:38 <dcousineau> that's where the pieces are stored
Jun 28 20:58:08 <dohtem> if you ordered it online from sprint, there should be an email confirmation somewhere
Jun 28 20:58:19 <dkirker> or maybe a receipt
Jun 28 20:58:20 <rwatkins> but if thats the case i'll be sure to cut out the UPC from my dev days Pre2 as well.  :)
Jun 28 20:58:42 <dkirker> not sure that the Pre2 qualifies?
Jun 28 20:58:50 <rwatkins> ah true
Jun 28 20:58:50 <rwhitby-tp> rwatkins: I have at least 10 webOS serial numbers ...
Jun 28 20:58:52 <summatusmentis> I have email confirmation of a purchase made on ebay, I wonder if that qualifies :)
Jun 28 20:59:03 <rwatkins> serial # maybe not so much proof of purchase I would imagine.
Jun 28 20:59:27 <rwhitby-tp> the only practical one
Jun 28 20:59:30 <rwatkins> receipt also likely not as well, as you can return for refund.
Jun 28 20:59:36 <rwatkins> so .. ya, likely the UPC on the box.
Jun 28 20:59:48 <summatusmentis> I have no boxes
Jun 28 21:00:00 <rwatkins> likely u lose.
Jun 28 21:00:00 <summatusmentis> I'm w/ rwhitby-tp, I'd like to see it done on serial numbers
Jun 28 21:00:09 <summatusmentis> rwatkins: I agree :-/
Jun 28 21:00:25 <rwhitby-tp> palm profile device record would do too
Jun 28 21:00:27 <summatusmentis> I suppose I'm technically not an early adopter either, given second-hand purchases
Jun 28 21:01:42 <rwatkins> i'm sure its whatever keeps the lawyers and finance people happy.
Jun 28 21:02:40 <rwhitby-tp> I suspect they will just email a coupon to palm profile addresses which have a legacy device registered.
Jun 28 21:03:22 <rwhitby-tp> That's how I would do it for minimum overhead and maximum accuracy.
Jun 28 21:04:11 <dawm_> wow.. i really hope the $50 rebate isnt the 'make things right' use pre- users were promised
Jun 28 21:06:29 <rwhitby-tp> sure it is - how much did you pay for the Pre?
Jun 28 21:06:47 <rwhitby-tp> what % of that is $50
Jun 28 21:07:39 <dohtem> also, $50 is more than any other manufacturer has done
Jun 28 21:08:21 <LoneStar99> anyone know what is goung on with trollface?
Jun 28 21:08:51 <LoneStar99> just heard of troll face today
Jun 28 21:09:26 <summatusmentis> rwhitby-tp: if you're right, and it's a coupon, I wonder if that goes on top of any dev pricing model
Jun 28 21:13:12 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 28 21:14:39 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Man, I hope so. That'd really impress me.
Jun 28 21:14:48 <summatusmentis> twbbas: agreed
Jun 28 21:17:39 <dawm_> hrm
Jun 28 21:17:44 <dawm_> moved up to spot 189 pretty quickly..
Jun 28 21:17:52 <dawm_> and ive got nothign to do tonight or tomorrow morning
Jun 28 21:18:40 <dawm_> 4000points to go
Jun 28 21:20:20 <dohtem> http://stoicjesterstudios.com/2011/06/iphone-app-marketing-mistakes/ -- hilarious account of one indie dev trying to promote his mobile game
Jun 28 21:26:57 <dawm_> bull crap
Jun 28 21:27:02 <dawm_> only let me answer 165 questions..
Jun 28 21:27:09 <dawm_> cmon im almost to #100
Jun 28 21:28:13 <dcousineau> ;)
Jun 28 21:28:22 <dcousineau> was sitting at like #72
Jun 28 21:29:11 <dcousineau> it's all about adding friends.... :(
Jun 28 21:29:57 <dawm_> yah
Jun 28 21:30:11 <dawm_> im at 94 now :)
Jun 28 21:30:27 <dawm_> for some reason i thought it said 17hr not days.. so i was liek fuckn aye
Jun 28 21:33:32 <dawm_> #1 has like 4000 points
Jun 28 21:34:08 <dawm_> er 6000
Jun 28 21:35:00 <leiru> madnificent: ?
Jun 28 21:35:33 <dcousineau> :P
Jun 28 21:39:41 <dawm_> there
Jun 28 21:39:49 <dawm_> spammed my entire facebook friends w/ invites
Jun 28 21:40:29 <dcousineau> good lord
Jun 28 21:40:42 <dcousineau> i at least sent it out to 1 or 2 people :P
Jun 28 21:40:42 <dawm_> its not that many :P
Jun 28 21:40:53 <dcousineau> yeah I think I have lik eover 600
Jun 28 21:41:03 <dawm_> only 158
Jun 28 21:41:52 <dawm_> nothing else to do today. slowly losing my spot tho
Jun 28 21:41:57 <dawm_> best was 85, now im 97
Jun 28 21:42:02 <dawm_> er 87
Jun 28 21:42:25 <dcousineau> haven't checked mine in a while
Jun 28 21:42:40 <dcousineau> probably won't ever make it to the top 100 by the last day
Jun 28 21:42:42 <dcousineau> but fukkit
Jun 28 21:42:54 <dawm_> i answered almost all the ?s before i sent out any invites.. so i could have easily doubled my score
Jun 28 21:43:18 <dcousineau> yeah the friend i brought in
Jun 28 21:43:24 <dcousineau> hit #50 cause he did x2 the whole time
Jun 28 21:43:25 <dcousineau> fscer
Jun 28 21:43:35 <dawm_> ive got 1500 points
Jun 28 21:43:43 <dawm_> last i checked the #1 spot was like 5960
Jun 28 21:44:06 <dcousineau> yeah at #70 w/ 1910
Jun 28 21:58:58 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: you were right, device serial number
Jun 28 21:59:15 <rwhitby> oh, there's an email?
Jun 28 21:59:30 <summatusmentis> I just got it
Jun 28 22:02:13 <dawm_> ugh losing ground, but gaining friends.. tomorrow is gonna be a good points day
Jun 28 22:04:45 <maik> oh this better not be the god damned "something special" for Pre owners
Jun 28 22:05:00 <halfhalo> it may be
Jun 28 22:05:12 * halfhalo just got said email
Jun 28 22:05:16 <summatusmentis> me too
Jun 28 22:05:18 <maik> >:/
Jun 28 22:05:30 <dawm_> money off the touchpad aint gonna upgrade my phone
Jun 28 22:05:35 <maik> ^
Jun 28 22:05:52 <summatusmentis> true, but rwhitby has a good point
Jun 28 22:06:08 <PatrickC> what email?!?!
Jun 28 22:06:12 <summatusmentis> $50 is a pretty decent percentage of the original price of a pre
Jun 28 22:06:20 <codeslaw> anyone doing any file io with enyo?
Jun 28 22:06:25 <Vyker> pre is £99 here.
Jun 28 22:06:29 <Vyker> or about $150
Jun 28 22:06:34 <PatrickC> there was an email???
Jun 28 22:06:35 <Vyker> which i think is pretty cool
Jun 28 22:06:43 <Vyker> pre2* i should say
Jun 28 22:06:44 <summatusmentis> right, that's a 33% "reimbursement"
Jun 28 22:06:46 <torchie> yeah I was wondering if this is the something special
Jun 28 22:06:47 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 28 22:07:06 <PatrickC> 33% reimbursement on what?
Jun 28 22:07:20 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: email sent about the details of the TP $50 off thing
Jun 28 22:07:30 <summatusmentis> the 33% is wrong if that's the price of the pre2
Jun 28 22:07:38 <summatusmentis> iirc, the OG Pre was $200?
Jun 28 22:08:39 <PatrickC> yeah, $199 on-contract iirc
Jun 28 22:08:41 <dawm_> i got my pre for 99 (bestbuy price mistake, was supposed to be 199)
Jun 28 22:09:04 <PatrickC> pre2 was $449?
Jun 28 22:09:06 <Vyker> here it is...
Jun 28 22:09:07 <Vyker> http://h40059.www4.hp.com/uk/smartphones/simfree/palmpre2/?experience=direct&p=1508&jumpid=em_r1508_uk/en/hho/psg/ukintpalm-em-edm-pu_chev/ukintpalm/20110526
Jun 28 22:09:09 <dawm_> but buying the touchpad doenst magically upgrade my abandoned phone
Jun 28 22:09:19 <summatusmentis> dawm_: clearly that's true
Jun 28 22:09:24 <PatrickC> dawm_: exactly
Jun 28 22:09:41 <summatusmentis> but it's money towards a new one
Jun 28 22:09:48 <Error454> $50 > $0
Jun 28 22:10:02 <summatusmentis> (assuming you're already buying a TP)
Jun 28 22:11:09 <dawm_> i know they cant make sprint carry the pre3 but totally saying we're not gonna give you 2.0 was bs
Jun 28 22:11:39 <Vyker> ooh i get £100 off a touchpad :D
Jun 28 22:12:35 <summatusmentis> the other thing is, what's the monetary value of a 2.0 upgrade on an OG pre?
Jun 28 22:12:50 <summatusmentis> because that's all they're "making right", yes?
Jun 28 22:13:30 <dawm_> a 2.0 upgrade = frankenpre
Jun 28 22:13:43 <dawm_> so pre2+labor of swapping radio's and doctoring
Jun 28 22:14:03 <summatusmentis> except that if it were an official HP upgrade, that's not what they'd do
Jun 28 22:14:11 <summatusmentis> you'd just get an OTA upgrade on your OG pre
Jun 28 22:15:02 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: going by donations and number of people who have done it, the monetary value of a 2.0 upgrade tends towards zero
Jun 28 22:15:27 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: sure, and if it were an official HP one, they wouldn't charge you for it
Jun 28 22:15:34 <rwhitby> the market price, however, is at webosworld.com
Jun 28 22:17:39 <summatusmentis> so, even at the webosworld $25 price, this $50 coupon still comes out ahead
Jun 28 22:18:13 <PatrickC> eh
Jun 28 22:18:52 <summatusmentis> so yes, clearly this isn't going to upgrade your old device, but it seems reasonable to me
Jun 28 22:19:29 <Vyker> what you guys talking about?
Jun 28 22:19:55 <summatusmentis> the $50 TP coupon for "early adopter" owners
Jun 28 22:20:22 <Vyker> got a link?
Jun 28 22:20:26 <summatusmentis> and whether or not it's a fair "make it right" outcome
Jun 28 22:20:49 <summatusmentis> http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/06/early-adopters-your-new-touchpad-just-got-50-closer.html
Jun 28 22:21:53 <Vyker> USA only?
Jun 28 22:22:17 <summatusmentis> no idea
Jun 28 22:22:45 <rwhitby> initially, yes.
Jun 28 22:23:25 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: how do you know?
Jun 28 22:23:45 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: it says so in the palm blog post
Jun 28 22:24:12 <rwhitby> "(initially in the US or Canada)"
Jun 28 22:24:20 <summatusmentis> oh, I should learn to read
Jun 28 22:25:29 <Vyker> likewise. thanks rwhitby
Jun 28 22:25:59 <summatusmentis> it's safe to assume that only one serial number will be honored right? or at least one per TP purchase?
Jun 28 22:26:27 <rwhitby> yes, I'd say that's safe to assume
Jun 28 22:26:45 <rwhitby> or maybe one rebate per person
Jun 28 22:27:04 <summatusmentis> oh, yeah, I suppose per person makes sense
Jun 28 22:27:07 <dawm_> i wonder if i can even find the reciept from bestbuy.. proof of purchase is gonna be hard for some of us that got it way way back when
Jun 28 22:27:20 <rwhitby> but if it's a mail-in rebate they won't be able to police that
Jun 28 22:27:31 <rwhitby> (other than making sure the same serial number is not used twice)
Jun 28 22:28:08 <summatusmentis> dawm_: email says device serial number is what's required
Jun 28 22:28:16 <leiru> nite
Jun 28 22:28:19 <dawm_> ahh ok i havent gotten my email yet
Jun 28 22:28:20 <rwhitby> since you could genuinely have multiple people in the one household purchasing touchpads and having old webOS devices
Jun 28 22:28:32 <rwhitby> dawm_: I tweeted the email earlier
Jun 28 22:29:05 <summatusmentis> well, so #2 and #3 in the email suggest that it's one rebate per touchpad
Jun 28 22:29:35 <summatusmentis> mostly what I'm wondering about was your 10x $50 comment from earlier :)
Jun 28 22:30:16 <gokr> Wohoo! 101 people.
Jun 28 22:30:18 <gokr> :)
Jun 28 22:30:42 <dawm_> lol
Jun 28 22:30:50 <gokr> Just attended a WebOS meetup here in Stockholm.
Jun 28 22:30:54 <gokr> Managed to get a Pre 2 :)
Jun 28 22:31:04 <dawm_> nice
Jun 28 22:31:14 <dawm_> im eatting pizza
Jun 28 22:31:21 <gokr> I have a Galaxy since about 6 months but hey, this Pre 2 is much nicer - despite the small screen.
Jun 28 22:31:37 <gokr> Pizza is nice too.
Jun 28 22:32:53 <torchie> really eh
Jun 28 22:33:10 <gokr> I think I have written the first Smalltalk app that actually runs fine using Enyo in both Pre 2 and emulator :)
Jun 28 22:33:43 <gokr> Now wondering slightly about the NDA, perhaps I should read the fine print.
Jun 28 22:33:47 <summatusmentis> smalltalk? why?
Jun 28 22:34:04 <gokr> Because I am a Smalltalker since like 16 years :)
Jun 28 22:34:16 <summatusmentis> hah, I guess that's fair
Jun 28 22:34:23 <gokr> And because it is a really nice language that just happens to compile quite easily into js.
Jun 28 22:34:28 <gokr> http://jtalk-project.org
Jun 28 22:34:46 <summatusmentis> one of my profs tried to give me a brief tutorial on smalltalk
Jun 28 22:34:58 <gokr> I am working on Jtalk with Nicolas (the author) and I really want to use it on WebOS.
Jun 28 22:35:16 <summatusmentis> oh, interesting
Jun 28 22:35:19 <summatusmentis> that's sorta neat
Jun 28 22:35:24 <Vyker> whats smalltalk?
Jun 28 22:35:38 <summatusmentis> it's a programming language
Jun 28 22:35:42 <gokr> Smalltalk is the original OO language from like 1980.
Jun 28 22:35:54 <gokr> It still beats the pants of most everything IMHO.
Jun 28 22:36:10 <Vyker> :)
Jun 28 22:36:22 <summatusmentis> it sort of came out of HCI stuff right?
Jun 28 22:36:34 <Vyker> node.js coming to webos?
Jun 28 22:36:46 <halfhalo> node.js is already on webos
Jun 28 22:36:49 <codeslaw> Vyker: it's already here
Jun 28 22:36:59 <gokr> Well... Smalltalk is the first windowing env - it is the stuff that Steve was shown at PARC.
Jun 28 22:37:05 <Vyker> oh. ok
Jun 28 22:37:18 <codeslaw> i forget which node version we are at though
Jun 28 22:37:21 <gokr> So Smalltalk is both a language and the first GUI so to speak.
Jun 28 22:37:21 <codeslaw> not the latest for sure
Jun 28 22:37:26 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: you don't think there will be a market in old webOS serial numbers?
Jun 28 22:37:39 <torchie> i still dont like
Jun 28 22:37:40 <torchie> get node.js
Jun 28 22:37:56 <gokr> As in "understand" or?
Jun 28 22:37:57 <codeslaw> what' don't you get
Jun 28 22:38:10 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: you're suggesting selling 9 of those 10? :)
Jun 28 22:38:17 <torchie> i don't understand
Jun 28 22:38:23 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: you're assuming I'll only have one touchpad too
Jun 28 22:38:31 <torchie> "evented i/o for v8 javascript"
Jun 28 22:38:32 <torchie> and then what
Jun 28 22:38:35 <Vyker> rwhitby, you wrote preware?
Jun 28 22:38:47 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: fair enough :D
Jun 28 22:38:49 <rwhitby> Vyker: oil, myself and others
Jun 28 22:39:08 <Vyker> wow, i've never spoken to a developer of an app i use...
Jun 28 22:39:12 <rwhitby> Vyker: I architected the homebrew ecosystem. oil wrote most of the front-end UI.
Jun 28 22:39:21 <gokr> torchie: It is basically a single threaded js runtime with all APIs designed to be asynchronous using js functions as callbacks.
Jun 28 22:39:29 <rwhitby> Vyker: other folks helped out along the way too
Jun 28 22:39:35 * Vyker slowly moves closer to rwhitby
Jun 28 22:39:39 <Vyker> hi :)
Jun 28 22:39:44 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: were you a part of the original ipkg development?
Jun 28 22:40:36 <gokr> torchie: Result is amazing scalability on network and i/o etc. While still on only one core though (but I guess that will change).
Jun 28 22:42:48 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: no, but I was around for opkg
Jun 28 22:43:29 <summatusmentis> opkg was openmoko, right?
Jun 28 22:44:06 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 28 22:44:16 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 28 22:44:22 <gokr> Is anyone here up to speed on what the NDA actually prevents me from?
Jun 28 22:44:37 <summatusmentis> don't talk about it, don't talk about anything in it
Jun 28 22:44:43 <summatusmentis> as I understand it
Jun 28 22:44:55 <summatusmentis> technically, I think you're not even supposed to say you're a part of the EA program
Jun 28 22:44:59 <gokr> Ok, but can I push code using Enyo (but not Enyo itself of course) onto github?
Jun 28 22:45:13 <summatusmentis> only if it's not public, iirc
Jun 28 22:45:20 <summatusmentis> maybe check on that
Jun 28 22:45:47 <gokr> Hmmm, and WebOS 3 is not on github I guess? :)
Jun 28 22:45:59 <summatusmentis> what do you mean?
Jun 28 22:46:47 <gokr> Well, I mean, lots of sample apps for Enyo are up there. Or am I mistaken?
Jun 28 22:46:59 <dawm_> no
Jun 28 22:47:04 <summatusmentis> no, definitely not
Jun 28 22:47:05 <gokr> Ah, that is Mojo stuff.
Jun 28 22:47:12 <summatusmentis> there's no public enyo samples
Jun 28 22:47:15 <dawm_> i wonder if uncharted3 beta is done downloading
Jun 28 22:47:18 <summatusmentis> no public enyo anything
Jun 28 22:47:53 <gokr> Right, I see now that all those projects up on github.com/palm seem to be old stuff.
Jun 28 22:48:07 <summatusmentis> well, "old"
Jun 28 22:48:17 <gokr> ;)
Jun 28 22:48:18 <summatusmentis> I'm sure some of them are still in active development
Jun 28 22:48:46 <gokr> They do seem a bit abandoned. Except for node.
Jun 28 22:50:15 <Vyker> why didnt they put a gyro into the pre2?
Jun 28 22:52:51 <gokr> Hmmm, silly question - how do I create my Palm Profile?
Jun 28 22:53:10 <gokr> I never got this questionnaire when I fired up the phone.
Jun 28 22:53:30 * gokr googling...
Jun 28 22:54:52 <Loudergood>  gokr, what phone?
Jun 28 22:55:00 <gokr> Pre 2.
Jun 28 22:55:16 <gokr> I got it tonight, but possibly someone else had "messed with it" before.
Jun 28 22:55:25 <Loudergood> gesture tutorial
Jun 28 22:55:33 <gokr> Ok.
Jun 28 22:55:35 <dohtem> palm-launch
Jun 28 22:58:45 <haeffb> rwhitby: I donated immediately upon booting my frankenPre2
Jun 28 22:59:02 <haeffb> so it's not all bad
Jun 28 22:59:46 <gokr> Loudergood: The gesture tutorial was nice, but it didn't lead me to any kind of setup.
Jun 28 23:00:22 <Loudergood> then you must already be signed in to one..
Jun 28 23:00:29 <haeffb> someones
Jun 28 23:00:40 <gokr> Loudergood: Probably.
Jun 28 23:00:40 <haeffb> you could do a factory reset on the phone and start over
Jun 28 23:00:45 <gokr> Ouch.
Jun 28 23:01:21 <haeffb> s/could/should/
Jun 28 23:01:32 <gokr> Ok, any pointer?
Jun 28 23:01:53 <haeffb> either webos doctor, or just use the Reset Options in Device Info
Jun 28 23:02:10 <haeffb> what carrier?
Jun 28 23:02:21 <Loudergood> device info, reset options, full erase
Jun 28 23:02:42 <gokr> Carrier? My SIM?
Jun 28 23:03:08 * PatrickC finally got the email
Jun 28 23:03:18 <PatrickC> 32GB only stupidity :/
Jun 28 23:05:03 <haeffb> makes it only $50 for an extra 16 geebees
Jun 28 23:05:42 <gokr> Funny, the current profile email address is ".".
Jun 28 23:05:51 <PatrickC> haeffb: true
Jun 28 23:05:57 <gokr> Doing a full erase.
Jun 28 23:27:58 <PatrickC> who's handled a touchpad??
Jun 28 23:36:20 <gokr> I toyed with one today.
Jun 28 23:36:45 <Popple3> No store has even come out saying they're stocking it in Ireland
Jun 28 23:36:46 <Popple3> lol
Jun 28 23:47:33 <Popple3> Better get some promo codes set up for Friday :D
Jun 28 23:49:14 <Popple3> Derp, HP really need to sort out promo codes
Jun 28 23:49:23 <dohtem> ?
Jun 28 23:49:32 <Popple3> sucks that I still have to create multiple codes for each country
Jun 28 23:51:18 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/touchpad-phone-functions-work-1-4-5-devices
Jun 28 23:52:12 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/first-hp-touchpad-unboxing-pictures-come-germany
Jun 28 23:53:07 <PatrickC> Get Your TouchPad TOMORROW via Walmart Pre-order?  @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/get-your-touchpad-tomorrow-via-walmart-pre-order/
Jun 28 23:53:12 <PatrickC> tons of god news!!!
Jun 28 23:53:16 <gokr> PatrickC: I did play with a touchpad today a bit btw.
Jun 28 23:53:29 <PatrickC> gokr: how's the weight?
Jun 28 23:53:34 <PatrickC> close to the iPad?
Jun 28 23:53:46 * halfhalo played with one at a *shudders* walmart today.
Jun 28 23:53:59 <gokr> Well, I am not the best to ask - I am not used to any of these. But it felt kinda heavy, but I think Ipads do too.
Jun 28 23:54:11 <gokr> It multitasked multiple films etc with ease.
Jun 28 23:54:32 <PatrickC> halfhalo: weight comparison?
Jun 28 23:54:34 <PatrickC> Word on the Street: Hulu WORKS on the HP TouchPad! (For now...) @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/word-on-the-street-hulu-works-on-the-hp-touchpad/
Jun 28 23:54:36 <gokr> I was impressed - but well, perhaps an Ipad owner wouldn't be, not sure.
Jun 28 23:54:45 <gokr> But the price is important too.
Jun 28 23:55:19 <Popple3> When's the TouchPad launching in Canada again?
Jun 28 23:55:22 <Popple3> 15th, was it?
Jun 28 23:55:30 <PatrickC> HP TouchPad Tethers to Palm Pre Minus... and Answers Its Phone Calls [VIDEO] @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/hp-touchpad-tethers-to-palm-pre-minus-and-answers-its-calls/
Jun 28 23:55:41 * PatrickC bombards the Channel with links :P
Jun 28 23:55:54 * oil gest dkirker to kick PatrickC 
Jun 28 23:56:06 * PatrickC runs
Jun 28 23:56:17 <oil> dont worry
Jun 28 23:56:19 <dkirker> huh?
Jun 28 23:56:22 <oil> he has never kicked anyone i asked him to before
Jun 28 23:56:25 <oil> :)
Jun 28 23:56:38 <PatrickC> whew
Jun 28 23:56:48 <dohtem> What if I ask?
Jun 28 23:56:58 <dohtem> dkirker:  Please kick PatrickC
Jun 28 23:57:06 <dkirker> nope
Jun 28 23:57:09 <dohtem> damn
Jun 28 23:57:30 <oil> lets go to #webos-internals, ill kick you from there :)
Jun 28 23:57:35 <dohtem> heh
Jun 28 23:57:35 <PatrickC> dkirker: please kick dohtem
Jun 28 23:57:41 <PatrickC> I'm in #webos-internals :P
Jun 28 23:57:48 <oil> ooooo
Jun 28 23:57:56 <dkirker> somebody please feed me
Jun 28 23:58:15 * PatrickC gives dkirker a samich
Jun 28 23:58:49 <dkirker> is it healthy and < 300 calories?
Jun 28 23:58:59 <PatrickC> yes?
Jun 28 23:59:06 * dkirker eats it
Jun 28 23:59:11 <dohtem> lies </halfhalo>
Jun 28 23:59:11 * oil doesnt know how to make healthy sandwiches
Jun 28 23:59:28 <PatrickC> dkirker: kick dohtem and oil now?
Jun 28 23:59:45 <Popple3> bacon sandwiches are healthy, right?
Jun 28 23:59:48 <dkirker> only if someone will deliver me a sandwich :D
Jun 28 23:59:57 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 00:00:09 <PatrickC> do you live in nashville?
Jun 29 00:00:14 <dkirker> haha, nope
Jun 29 00:00:17 <dkirker> way far away :P
Jun 29 00:00:25 <PatrickC> then you are too far haha
Jun 29 00:01:01 <PatrickC> dkirker: how's universe coming?
Jun 29 00:01:12 <dkirker> ummm.. uh....
Jun 29 00:01:12 <PatrickC> enyo gonna be ready at launch?
Jun 29 00:01:16 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 29 00:01:24 <dkirker> I have been soooooooooo busy, that I actually have not had much time....
Jun 29 00:01:33 <dkirker> there are some great things planned for it
Jun 29 00:01:54 <PatrickC> firefox sync? :)
Jun 29 00:01:55 <halfhalo> like free kitties!
Jun 29 00:02:03 <PatrickC> halfhalo likes kitties?!
Jun 29 00:02:11 <halfhalo> no, but other people do
Jun 29 00:02:16 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 00:02:26 <summatusmentis> oh man, firefox sync
Jun 29 00:02:30 <summatusmentis> I forgot that existed
Jun 29 00:04:17 <dkirker> this whole trying to loose weight thing and eat healthier is going to kill me...
Jun 29 00:04:33 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 29 00:04:40 <dkirker> well, maybe not IRL, but it feels like it
Jun 29 00:05:03 <Popple3> dkirker: You and me both. I mean, exercising with no purpose other than exercising? What's the deal with that? :P
Jun 29 00:05:13 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 00:05:24 <dkirker> The "bike ride" on the stationary this morning felt good, though.
Jun 29 00:05:33 <dkirker> nothing like dripping in sweat :P
Jun 29 00:05:39 <halfhalo> chicks dig it.
Jun 29 00:05:52 * dohtem did Insanity
Jun 29 00:05:58 <dohtem> now, that's a workout!
Jun 29 00:06:04 <Popple3> halfhalo: Chicks dig sweaty fat guys? (not implying dkirker is, but I am :P )
Jun 29 00:06:05 * PatrickC codes
Jun 29 00:06:08 <dohtem> only did 6 weeks though
Jun 29 00:06:31 <halfhalo> Popple3: semantics.
Jun 29 00:06:56 <dkirker> meh
Jun 29 00:07:28 <Popple3> halfhalo: You know, that's one word my web lecturer constantly spewed, but my first though has always been "What the hell does that actually mean?"... I never did care enough to look it up
Jun 29 00:07:39 <dohtem> haha
Jun 29 00:07:39 <Popple3> ............... Until now! :o
Jun 29 00:08:25 <Popple3> ah, that makes sense
Jun 29 00:08:25 <dohtem> you ever had that semantics vs syntax lecture?
Jun 29 00:08:36 <dohtem> assuming it was a CS class
Jun 29 00:08:53 <Popple3> this particular class was just html/css/js
Jun 29 00:09:04 <Popple3> oh, and xml/xsl/xsd
Jun 29 00:11:01 <Loudergood> dkirker: I know exactly how you feel, between running and not drinking soda I feel deprived and worn out
Jun 29 00:11:13 <dkirker> giving up soda was easy :)
Jun 29 00:11:25 <Popple3> and my lecturer often asked me for confirmation on what he was saying... -__-
Jun 29 00:11:27 <dkirker> I hate running, plus that did not give me the pay off that I wanted
Jun 29 00:11:39 <Popple3> everyone seems to have more will power than me... :(
Jun 29 00:11:52 <Loudergood> I'm in way too much of a habit of picking one up on the way to work and on the way home
Jun 29 00:11:55 * rwhitby kicks PatrickC for asking to have other people kicked without justification
Jun 29 00:11:55 <Popple3> good thing I never took up smoking
Jun 29 00:11:59 <PatrickC> wow.. I've never seen someone op-up on here
Jun 29 00:12:05 <dkirker> lol
Jun 29 00:12:12 <PatrickC> rwhitby: they kicked me first :P
Jun 29 00:12:28 <PatrickC> oil started it haha
Jun 29 00:12:48 <rwhitby> I can't kick oil - then I'd have no Enyo code to copy.
Jun 29 00:12:53 <Loudergood> as for running, I was very good at that in HS...12 years ago..so I feel that loss
Jun 29 00:12:55 <oil> HAHA
Jun 29 00:12:57 * halfhalo is addicted to cocacola.  
Jun 29 00:13:11 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 00:13:28 <Loudergood> I dislike coffee so I've brought a bunch of tea bags to work
Jun 29 00:13:32 <Popple3> halfhalo: You and me both. Cans in particular, which of course end up costing more per ml :(
Jun 29 00:13:33 <Loudergood> seems to help
Jun 29 00:14:00 <dohtem> +1 for tea
Jun 29 00:14:17 <dohtem> but i gotta stop using so much sugar
Jun 29 00:16:18 <Loudergood> luckily for me I started drinking it with nothing in it years ago
Jun 29 00:16:27 <PatrickC> ewwwww
Jun 29 00:16:43 <PatrickC> must..... have...... sugar......
Jun 29 00:17:04 <Popple3> oh god no, sugar in tea is just... yuck...
Jun 29 00:17:15 <Loudergood> careful PatrickC, sugar is what I blame for going from 120lbs when I graduated hs to 225 now
Jun 29 00:17:16 <PatrickC> no, its amazing
Jun 29 00:17:31 <PatrickC> I'm 190lbs in 10th grade hehe
Jun 29 00:17:32 <Loudergood> yeah I know
Jun 29 00:17:36 <PatrickC> but I'm also 6'
Jun 29 00:17:43 <Loudergood> I was skinny, but I'm 5'11
Jun 29 00:17:53 <PatrickC> I'm from the south, sweat tea is a staple food group hehe
Jun 29 00:18:15 <Popple3> sweat tea? Ewwwwwwwww who would make tea with sweat?
Jun 29 00:18:27 <Loudergood> lol
Jun 29 00:18:30 <PatrickC> sweet... stupid auto-correct haha
Jun 29 00:20:00 <Popple3> Google really needs to sort out profiles for Google Apps users... -__-
Jun 29 00:21:22 <PatrickC> id sign up for google apps.. but I don't feel like giving out my address haha
Jun 29 00:21:55 <cwayne1> wat
Jun 29 00:22:13 <Popple3> PatrickC: Huh..?
Jun 29 00:27:34 <PatrickC> you have to give out your street address.. I'm not doin that :/
Jun 29 00:29:35 <uncola> afraid the mossad will find you and make you stand trial for your war crimes?
Jun 29 00:29:52 <oil> no trial for PatrickC
Jun 29 00:29:59 <Flashpass> lol
Jun 29 00:30:12 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 29 00:35:20 <rwhitby> PatrickC: google already knows your street address, phone number, and probably what you did last summer.
Jun 29 00:37:16 <Flashpass> yeah, google is out to get you personally I think
Jun 29 00:42:10 <cwayne1> google knows when you poop.
Jun 29 00:42:41 <Popple3> cwayne1: Yeah, they probably see my increase in mobile internet usage
Jun 29 00:42:44 <Popple3> I mean uh.....
Jun 29 00:42:52 <Popple3> Decrease.... >.>
Jun 29 00:43:02 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 29 00:43:18 <cwayne1> Popple3: seriously, how did we poop before smartphones?
Jun 29 00:43:26 <cwayne1> READERS DIGEST ISNT GOOD ENOUGH!
Jun 29 00:43:38 <Popple3> cwayne1: As quickly as possible I guess? Just get it over and done with
Jun 29 00:47:08 <cwayne1> lol
Jun 29 00:59:12 <Epyon22> lol readers digest
Jun 29 00:59:29 <Epyon22> the internet is so similar
Jun 29 01:44:59 <LoneStar99> is a drawing on canvas suppose to have more resolution on the TP compared to Phones?
Jun 29 01:49:50 <Tibfib> for localization in mojo, you can just have a folder names "de" for german, right?
Jun 29 01:49:56 <Tibfib> not, "de_de" ?
Jun 29 01:52:21 <LoneStar99> tibfib
Jun 29 01:52:25 <LoneStar99> let me look
Jun 29 01:52:29 <Tibfib> thanks
Jun 29 01:53:31 <LoneStar99> resources/ca/ resources/gb/  resources/ie/ etc....
Jun 29 01:58:51 <Tibfib> does the resources folder just sit in the root app directory?
Jun 29 01:58:55 <Tibfib> or does it sit in the app folder?
Jun 29 01:59:26 <Tibfib> better way to ask: /app/resources/... or /resources/... ?
Jun 29 01:59:30 <CTLAdvance> Does anyone know if the wifi touchpad has GPS built in?
Jun 29 02:00:00 <PatrickC> it doesnt
Jun 29 02:00:16 * PatrickC is gonna get some real hosting.. finally
Jun 29 02:01:09 <PatrickC> true unlimited hosting
Jun 29 02:01:48 <halfhalo> shared hosts don't count as unlimited
Jun 29 02:02:43 <PatrickC> its a paid, $50 host
Jun 29 02:02:50 <PatrickC> floathost.com
Jun 29 02:02:58 <PatrickC> I know the owner, and can get a discount
Jun 29 02:03:36 <CTLAdvance> hmm that would have been a cool feature, but I dont think webOS has any standalone GPS apps
Jun 29 02:03:42 <CTLAdvance> ah well
Jun 29 02:03:57 * CTLAdvance likes go daddy for hosting
Jun 29 02:04:22 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: nDrive?
Jun 29 02:04:34 <CTLAdvance> nDrive?
Jun 29 02:04:45 <PatrickC> and my hosting is going to be extremely cheap.. so I'm happy
Jun 29 02:04:56 <CTLAdvance> lol nice
Jun 29 02:05:01 <PatrickC> nDrive is a standalone GPS app? isn't it?
Jun 29 02:05:21 <PatrickC> it will be tons better the x10hosting who I'm with now...
Jun 29 02:05:29 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jun 29 02:05:52 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 29 02:07:56 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  sorry root --> "your_app_folder/" --> "resources/en/"
Jun 29 02:08:04 <Tibfib> thank you!
Jun 29 02:09:18 <CTLAdvance> eh, I hope that we can get developer devices soon...
Jun 29 02:10:04 <CTLAdvance> need to convert old apps to work on the tp/3.0
Jun 29 02:12:12 <Tibfib> any german speakers?
Jun 29 02:12:16 <Tibfib> "Now Playing" ?
Jun 29 02:15:06 <PatrickC> Tibfib: working on Koto?
Jun 29 02:15:23 <Tibfib> yep
Jun 29 02:15:29 <PatrickC> CTLAdvance: Palm emailed me today saying my app wasn't compatible with 3.0
Jun 29 02:15:35 <PatrickC> Enyo version?
Jun 29 02:16:28 <Tibfib> yeah emailed me too
Jun 29 02:16:32 <Tibfib> PatrickC: nope
Jun 29 02:16:51 <Tibfib> but I just need to know something from palm, then I'm probably going to make an enyo version
Jun 29 02:20:50 <CTLAdvance> same here, I kind of figured they werent
Jun 29 02:21:07 <CTLAdvance> but I also stopped supporting them in march due to lack of new hardware
Jun 29 02:21:17 <CTLAdvance> so will be picking back up as soon as I get a new device
Jun 29 02:22:15 <CTLAdvance> and will be converting them to enyo, and removing ones that dont add value to the platform
Jun 29 02:22:18 <dwc-> PatrickC: floathost.com doesn't appear to resolve
Jun 29 02:22:21 <dwc-> sounds like a quality webhost
Jun 29 02:22:48 <CTLAdvance> its probably his friend running it on a machine in his parents basement ;-)
Jun 29 02:22:57 <CTLAdvance> had to go to bed and shut it down
Jun 29 02:23:12 <Epyon22_> lol
Jun 29 02:23:38 <CTLAdvance> hey he said it was his friend and they would give him an discount
Jun 29 02:24:26 <CTLAdvance> anyone have Richards email
Jun 29 02:29:29 <bnceo> So I have to buy it in July or rebate has to be sent out in July?
Jun 29 02:30:01 <CTLAdvance> rebate on what
Jun 29 02:33:24 <CTLAdvance> ah I see it
Jun 29 02:36:02 <torchie>  Gundotra said that to date identifying people has been “the most epic failure of Google…. Because we were focusing on organizing the world’s information, the search company failed to do the most important search of all.”
Jun 29 02:36:04 <torchie> deep, man.
Jun 29 02:36:56 <Epyon22_> so google has a new theme
Jun 29 02:37:47 <CTLAdvance> google is trying to hard
Jun 29 02:37:55 <bubby323> Agreed.
Jun 29 02:37:57 <CTLAdvance> bing bots are among them...
Jun 29 02:38:06 <Epyon22_> lol
Jun 29 02:38:15 <torchie> I dunno man
Jun 29 02:38:15 <torchie> I'm reading this wired article on how it all went down
Jun 29 02:38:15 <torchie> like this is apparently a big ass deal
Jun 29 02:38:25 <torchie> there's drama, there's conviction, there's ambition
Jun 29 02:38:33 <Epyon22_> what that google is changing their theme
Jun 29 02:38:34 <torchie> Gundotra's Ambition
Jun 29 02:38:40 <Epyon22_> or bing using google results
Jun 29 02:38:41 <torchie> not the theme
Jun 29 02:38:43 <torchie> google+
Jun 29 02:38:46 <CTLAdvance> yeah its another invasion of privacy that may be good or bad depending on if you like your pic up on google search
Jun 29 02:38:57 <CTLAdvance> for content you posted
Jun 29 02:39:00 <torchie> what's an invasion of privacy?
Jun 29 02:39:12 <torchie> when someone has information about you that you don't want them to have?
Jun 29 02:39:12 <CTLAdvance> ah sorry thought this was the picture on search results
Jun 29 02:39:13 <Loudergood> what's privacy?
Jun 29 02:39:22 <bubby323> Anybody here good with enyo?
Jun 29 02:39:22 <torchie> people already have that information
Jun 29 02:39:24 <CTLAdvance> its what I did to your mom last night
Jun 29 02:39:28 <torchie> SHAZAM
Jun 29 02:39:33 <Tibfib> HRMM I dont' have that email from palm for legacy users
Jun 29 02:39:41 <Tibfib> got my pre- june 6th
Jun 29 02:39:43 <torchie> what's privacy
Jun 29 02:39:45 <torchie> what are human rights
Jun 29 02:39:52 <torchie> and why do people deem privacy to be a human right
Jun 29 02:39:57 <bubby323> Anybody good with Enyo lists?
Jun 29 02:39:59 <CTLAdvance> google+ could be a big deal if they get adaptation
Jun 29 02:40:02 <Tibfib> although, my current device is a pre2
Jun 29 02:40:06 <Tibfib> bubby323: there's an nda here
Jun 29 02:40:11 <summatusmentis> bubby323: if you need enyo help, ask in the forums
Jun 29 02:40:15 <bubby323> Sorry
Jun 29 02:40:17 <CTLAdvance> but not sure who is gonna use it... I dont think anyone I know will outside of IT
Jun 29 02:40:17 <bubby323> Okay
Jun 29 02:40:32 <torchie> yeah google+ looks a bit complicated
Jun 29 02:40:46 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: I wonder if it's for currectly activated devices
Jun 29 02:40:48 <torchie> but if it works better than skype at what we do with skype, my epic bros and I are all up ON that switch
Jun 29 02:40:53 <CTLAdvance> well the thing is, why move away from facebook, whats the real catch there
Jun 29 02:40:56 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: yeah could be
Jun 29 02:41:01 <CTLAdvance> you can see me hanging out with my pants off?
Jun 29 02:41:02 <torchie> given that there are no system integrated notifications, that might be a bit hard
Jun 29 02:41:03 <Tibfib> I still expect my $50 rebate though
Jun 29 02:41:26 <torchie> I hope so CTL, because your legs are majestic
Jun 29 02:41:28 <summatusmentis> CTLAdvance: at least for me, the Google export your data stuff is a reason to move away
Jun 29 02:41:30 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jun 29 02:41:37 <CTLAdvance> I just fell off my chair laughing
Jun 29 02:41:55 <torchie> FOMCL
Jun 29 02:41:58 <torchie> fell off my chair laughing
Jun 29 02:42:08 <CTLAdvance> ROFL
Jun 29 02:42:20 <CTLAdvance> ROTFLMAOSFHIHMS
Jun 29 02:42:42 <torchie> wat
Jun 29 02:42:43 <torchie> wot
Jun 29 02:42:43 <torchie> wut
Jun 29 02:43:03 <CTLAdvance> Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off so hard it hurts my stomach
Jun 29 02:43:33 <CTLAdvance> there is an f word in there as well
Jun 29 02:43:49 <CTLAdvance> ok time to hang
Jun 29 02:44:00 <CTLAdvance> google+ get ready to index mah magestic legs
Jun 29 02:44:07 <CTLAdvance> as torchie says
Jun 29 02:44:24 <PatrickC> dwc-: they are down for maintenance
Jun 29 02:44:24 <torchie> :D
Jun 29 02:44:50 <PatrickC> they resell from godaddy iirc
Jun 29 02:45:06 <halfhalo> PatrickC: thats even worse.
Jun 29 02:45:08 <CTLAdvance> lol, like I said go daddy was good ;
Jun 29 02:46:26 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 29 02:47:04 <CTLAdvance> ugh this 10.1 is supposed to get 14 hours of battery life
Jun 29 02:47:11 <CTLAdvance> interesting
Jun 29 02:47:27 <PatrickC> 10.1?
Jun 29 02:47:48 <torchie> you got a 10.1?
Jun 29 02:47:56 <PatrickC> halfhalo: who do you suggest that's as cheap as them for me?
Jun 29 02:49:45 <torchie> ...wait.
Jun 29 02:49:53 <PatrickC> huh?
Jun 29 02:51:56 <MOSF> Hi
Jun 29 02:52:33 <MOSF> anybody is chatting from Veer?
Jun 29 02:52:39 <PatrickC> MOSF: hi
Jun 29 02:52:51 * PatrickC isn't :/
Jun 29 02:53:19 <PatrickC> wIRC FTW!! go oil!!!!
Jun 29 02:53:33 <CTLAdvance> yep samsung
Jun 29 02:53:40 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jun 29 02:54:12 <CTLAdvance> I like my tablet screen just as big as my... better to nag out with on google+
Jun 29 02:54:16 <CTLAdvance> hang*
Jun 29 02:54:35 <PatrickC> google+
Jun 29 02:54:40 <CTLAdvance> google++
Jun 29 02:54:46 <PatrickC> what's that haha
Jun 29 02:54:48 <CTLAdvance> then they will just have google#
Jun 29 02:55:03 <CTLAdvance> then G# (or g sharp similar to c sharp)
Jun 29 02:55:37 <torchie> hmm
Jun 29 02:55:43 <CTLAdvance> google++ is what they launch next year as their google+ hovers around 20mil users if that
Jun 29 02:55:52 <torchie> google+ is starting to sound confusing
Jun 29 02:56:06 <PatrickC> I'm already confused lol
Jun 29 02:56:08 <CTLAdvance> google+ put your mom in a circle...
Jun 29 02:56:15 <CTLAdvance> oy
Jun 29 02:56:39 <CTLAdvance> but sadly, google+ will fail, just like multitasking on honeycomb 3.1....
Jun 29 02:56:43 <MOSF> Hi PatrickC
Jun 29 02:56:47 <CTLAdvance> :)
Jun 29 02:57:03 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 29 02:57:22 <PatrickC> I played with a PlayBook... total copy!!!!
Jun 29 02:57:30 <torchie> lolplaybook
Jun 29 02:57:33 <torchie> lolblackberry
Jun 29 02:57:34 <torchie> lolrim
Jun 29 02:57:35 <CTLAdvance> this samsung tablet would destroy the hp tablet if it run webOS
Jun 29 02:57:46 <torchie> and was 4:3
Jun 29 02:57:51 <torchie> and verticle
Jun 29 02:57:54 <torchie> vertical*
Jun 29 02:57:57 <PatrickC> the Evo 3D would destroy the Pre³ if it ran webOS
Jun 29 02:58:10 <torchie> verticles are what happens when someone pulls your balls upward too hard
Jun 29 02:58:10 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jun 29 02:58:22 <torchie> screw the evo 3d
Jun 29 02:58:23 <CTLAdvance> oo wtf
Jun 29 02:58:26 <torchie> galaxy S 2!
Jun 29 02:58:35 <PatrickC> evo 3D
Jun 29 02:58:36 <CTLAdvance> cbt much torchie?
Jun 29 02:58:51 <torchie> cbt? cognitive behavioral therapy?
Jun 29 02:58:55 <PatrickC> ok.. fine. Evo Shift!
Jun 29 02:59:15 <torchie> hell no
Jun 29 02:59:27 <torchie> isn't that the one that doesn't even have a front facing camera?
Jun 29 02:59:33 <torchie> and is like
Jun 29 02:59:36 <torchie> less good than the original evo
Jun 29 02:59:45 <CTLAdvance> yes you sir are correct
Jun 29 02:59:49 <CTLAdvance> and it lags
Jun 29 02:59:53 <torchie> well that's just android
Jun 29 02:59:55 <CTLAdvance> 800mhz for the win
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