**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 30 02:59:57 2011
Jun 30 03:34:55 <summatusmentis> I hope the Touch To Share stuff is available to developers
Jun 30 03:36:01 <Hendikins> Hrm, wonder how I can force network selection on the Veer. It seems to be locked to automatic.
Jun 30 03:36:23 <dwc-> I thought it was sim locked already
Jun 30 03:36:55 <rwhitby> forcing network selection != sim locking
Jun 30 03:36:57 <Hendikins> We'll just assume that I've unlocked it to use with the carrier of my choice.
Jun 30 03:37:16 <rwhitby> oil_pre: fixed in 1.7.0
Jun 30 03:37:17 <dwc-> ahh
Jun 30 03:37:17 * Hendikins wants to be able to force it to use Telstra and not connect to 3TELSTRA.
Jun 30 03:37:54 <Hendikins> Which is an issue I've never had with a WebOS phone, because my previous ones were 850/1900 (3TELSTRA is 2100)
Jun 30 03:38:39 <oil_pre> then 170 is probably good to go
Jun 30 03:40:10 <Hendikins> dwc-: The main time one would want to manually select a network would be when roaming with the handset. Of course, this would be quite a novel concept to CDMA users...
Jun 30 03:40:30 <jaf0> we can choose between sprint or verizon ;)
Jun 30 03:40:42 <Hendikins> In my case 3TELSTRA 2100MHz is just crap.
Jun 30 03:41:43 <Loudergood> hey now, I was roaming on us cellular just today ;)
Jun 30 03:43:40 <Hendikins> And finally being able to see paid apps just reminds me why I avoided the App Catalog to begin with.
Jun 30 03:45:52 <dwc-> well, roaming you'd typically end up with whatever you have a sim card for, or your carrier has a roaming agreement with, yes ... I just didn't know that non-automatic network selection was still not available without a sim restriction
Jun 30 03:46:33 <Hendikins> I know my carrier has roaming agreements with multiple carriers in some countries.
Jun 30 03:46:56 <Hendikins> And it seems to be an AT&T firmware thing - my ROW Pre2 can manually select a network.
Jun 30 03:48:39 * Hendikins idly wonders if the GPS bug is fixed on the Veer.
Jun 30 03:48:51 <mattsmcnulty> what's the gps bug?
Jun 30 03:49:37 <Hendikins> Southern hemisphere users get a bogus latitude value from the GPS if Google Services is used. A pure GPS fix doesn't have this issue.
Jun 30 03:49:58 <mattsmcnulty> there's a southern hemisphere?
Jun 30 03:50:01 <mattsmcnulty> ;-) just kidding
Jun 30 03:50:08 <mattsmcnulty> I'll have someone look into it
Jun 30 03:50:11 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: can wifi only tp's get their location from a paired phone with a gps fix?
Jun 30 03:50:35 <Hendikins> mattsmcnulty: This bug is old... people have been bitching about it for years. :P
Jun 30 03:50:36 <rwatkins> much like "there are languages that dont read left to right?"
Jun 30 03:51:34 <mattsmcnulty> bpadalino: I think the only option is the wifi-based location stuff. no gps from paired. I think iPad might have that, if you get some tethering plan
Jun 30 03:51:40 * rwatkins wants to see the mail sliders go in the other direction when you switch to arabic.
Jun 30 03:51:45 <Hendikins> The latitude returned by the device is out by 2^32 / 1e7.
Jun 30 03:51:46 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 30 03:52:27 <Hendikins> ...and it isn't fixed on the Veer.
Jun 30 03:52:43 <rwhitby> Hendikins: indeed.
Jun 30 03:52:48 <mattsmcnulty> that might be a google problem actually
Jun 30 03:52:57 <rwhitby> Hendikins: you have to turn off google assistance to get a good value from the gps
Jun 30 03:53:06 <mattsmcnulty> they are very very interested in fixing our non-android bugs. like maps. don't be evil and all
Jun 30 03:53:13 <Hendikins> mattsmcnulty: Got a mate at Google to look at the code, he reckons it isn't on their end.
Jun 30 03:53:27 <mattsmcnulty> hmm. I passed it onto the right people 2 min ago, so we'll see
Jun 30 03:53:27 <Hendikins> Not that they care about WebOS though.
Jun 30 03:53:40 <torchie> pre- is falling apart so hard
Jun 30 03:53:45 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: I've already bugged many many people. They said fixed in next update.
Jun 30 03:54:02 <mattsmcnulty> rwhitby: we'll see if they tell me the same thing ;-)
Jun 30 03:54:04 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: it's NOV-125660
Jun 30 03:54:08 <mattsmcnulty> lol
Jun 30 03:54:11 <Loudergood> torchie: has it leveled up to full 360 degree spin yet?
Jun 30 03:54:21 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Yeah, already know that. I won't be using the GPS on the Veer anyway, I only looked because I was curious.
Jun 30 03:54:29 <summatusmentis> torchie: mines reaching the end of it's legs too
Jun 30 03:54:55 <Hendikins> And my wireless AP is known to Google, so it is trivially easy to trigger it at home.
Jun 30 03:57:25 <Hendikins> mattsmcnulty: The response I got out of the mate at Google (back in around March) was that "it looks like it is related to packing 32 bit values into a float"
Jun 30 03:57:57 <rwhitby> I fail to see how that could be the case
Jun 30 03:58:20 <Hendikins> I'm only quoting. I'm in no way a dev.
Jun 30 03:58:21 <mattsmcnulty> I added myself as a watcher to the issue, which generally scares people from deferring ;-)
Jun 30 03:58:27 <mattsmcnulty> so we'll see
Jun 30 03:58:54 <rwhitby> pretty soon I will have alerted every Palm employee to this bug personally ;)
Jun 30 03:59:05 <Tibfib> haahah
Jun 30 03:59:12 <Hendikins> On a side note, this is interesting. SimpleGPS reporting 3 metre accuracy on the Veer.
Jun 30 04:01:13 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I've reached the point where I don't think that even alerting every employee in the place would get it fixed. :P
Jun 30 04:01:37 <Hendikins> Although if the touchpad is coming to AU later in the year, they might want to.
Jun 30 04:01:57 <mattsmcnulty> we said it would come out in summer. that is like 4-5 months away in AU
Jun 30 04:02:21 <summatusmentis> how long ago did you say that?
Jun 30 04:02:29 <mattsmcnulty> feb 9
Jun 30 04:02:48 <summatusmentis> oh, so not technically summer in AU
Jun 30 04:02:59 <summatusmentis> would've been shortly after
Jun 30 04:03:09 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, you have a point. that might have meant within days in AU
Jun 30 04:03:10 <summatusmentis> if my midnight math is correct
Jun 30 04:03:10 <rwhitby> no, they said "later in the year" for australia
Jun 30 04:03:32 <rwhitby> so they have until dec 31st ;)
Jun 30 04:03:35 <mattsmcnulty> we dispatched several kangaroos worth a while ago
Jun 30 04:03:54 <rwatkins_pre2> so same thing ... 4 or 5 months
Jun 30 04:04:24 <mattsmcnulty> ot: I was very excited to see kangaroos in AU like 18mo ago when I was there
Jun 30 04:04:55 <mattsmcnulty> I went to the zoo, because I stayed in syd, and they were just standing or laying around panting like it was some roo opium den
Jun 30 04:05:02 <rwatkins_pre2> TP fit good in the pouch?
Jun 30 04:05:18 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, but that shiny plastic back leaves pouch goo all over
Jun 30 04:06:46 <mattsmcnulty> sydney was awesome though
Jun 30 04:06:48 <summatusmentis> speaking of http://i.imgur.com/BDdcj.jpg
Jun 30 04:07:11 <mattsmcnulty> exactly. only more sketchy
Jun 30 04:08:09 <summatusmentis> and much more Lewis Caroll?
Jun 30 04:08:14 <summatusmentis> Carroll*
Jun 30 04:09:54 <rwhitby> roos are pretty laid back in the middle of the day
Jun 30 04:10:11 <rwhitby> they do most active stuff morning or evening
Jun 30 04:10:11 <mattsmcnulty> it was a hot day, too
Jun 30 04:11:00 <rwhitby> dusk is the worst time of the day - they are all active and jumping across roads in front of cars
Jun 30 04:11:13 <mattsmcnulty> roo bar
Jun 30 04:11:29 <Hendikins> Yeah, you don't want to hit them.
Jun 30 04:11:38 <Tibfib> heh
Jun 30 04:11:49 <mattsmcnulty> like deer where I grew up
Jun 30 04:11:49 <Tibfib> it's weird how you are talking about kangaroos how we talk about deer
Jun 30 04:11:52 <Hendikins> They had to reinforce the undercarriage on the Sydney - Broken Hill train because of roo strikes.
Jun 30 04:11:53 <summatusmentis> will they mess up your car pretty badly?
Jun 30 04:12:04 <rwhitby> oh yeah
Jun 30 04:12:04 <Hendikins> summatusmentis: Yep - but wombats are worse.
Jun 30 04:12:53 <Hendikins> I've seen people compare hitting a wombat to hitting a concrete block. And half the time the bastards survive (but your car doesn't).
Jun 30 04:13:11 <mattsmcnulty> I tried to describe the fruit bats in sydney to people several times but they failed to grasp the significance of absurdly large bats (yes I know a wombat isn't a bat, it just made me think of them)
Jun 30 04:13:24 <summatusmentis> oh holy crap, large ones can be 200lb? that'll mess up a car
Jun 30 04:13:28 <chpwn> oh my god the bats in australia
Jun 30 04:13:30 <summatusmentis> I didn't realize they could be that big
Jun 30 04:13:35 <Hendikins> mmm, bats.
Jun 30 04:13:37 <chpwn> i have never seen bats as when i went there
Jun 30 04:13:50 <rwhitby> "flying foxes" is the proper term
Jun 30 04:13:53 <Hendikins> summatusmentis: The thing with roos? If you hit one, don't swerve and hope to hell it goes under not over.
Jun 30 04:13:59 <sugardave> they're giant and scary-looking
Jun 30 04:14:04 <Epyon22> gotta watch out for those toasd
Jun 30 04:14:07 <Epyon22> toads
Jun 30 04:14:09 <mattsmcnulty> flying fox will never be the "proper" term
Jun 30 04:14:14 <mattsmcnulty> haha
Jun 30 04:14:15 <Tibfib_> haha
Jun 30 04:14:24 <summatusmentis> Hendikins: at that size, that thing would go through your windshield pretty easily
Jun 30 04:14:39 <Hendikins> summatusmentis: The smaller ones can go under.
Jun 30 04:14:49 <rwhitby> don't mess with the Koalas though: http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p208/Goldie_Showers/dropbear1.jpg
Jun 30 04:14:58 * Hendikins has been a pax in a vehicle that hit one, it went under.
Jun 30 04:15:13 <Hendikins> Wrote the car off, but it went under.
Jun 30 04:16:12 <summatusmentis> around here, hitting deer is relatively common, and that'll certainly mess up your car
Jun 30 04:16:25 <mattsmcnulty> gizmodo's touchpad review is like 150 words
Jun 30 04:16:29 <summatusmentis> but if you hit a moose, you'd better hope it doesn't fall directly on top of your car
Jun 30 04:16:50 <summatusmentis> I don't even read gizmodo anymore
Jun 30 04:16:56 <halfhalo> no deer around here.  earthquakes, yes.  floods, yes, fire, yes.  deer, no.
Jun 30 04:17:04 <mattsmcnulty> maybe it was their redesign, maybe their utter lack of real gadget news, but I just find myself never going there anymore.
Jun 30 04:17:10 <mattsmcnulty> I used to like them
Jun 30 04:17:18 <summatusmentis> the redesign is what did it for me
Jun 30 04:17:40 <halfhalo> never really read gizmodo.  was an engadget person.
Jun 30 04:17:49 <mattsmcnulty> I think I was fading on it, then the redesign just made me want to shoot someone
Jun 30 04:17:55 <Hendikins> And... the last roo I saw posed for the camera. Bastard. http://photos.hendikins.id.au/albums/fauna/IMG_0110.jpg
Jun 30 04:22:21 <Tibfib_> halfhalo: +1
Jun 30 04:23:17 <Tibfib_> I don't think ANYONE likes the redesign
Jun 30 04:23:51 <mattsmcnulty> I am reading like touchpad review #20 of the evening
Jun 30 04:23:59 <halfhalo> thats it?
Jun 30 04:24:05 <mattsmcnulty> well some are long
Jun 30 04:24:41 <mattsmcnulty> I only just now got to topolsky, who likes mail, browser, and maps. I bet whatever team did that at palm is the best team ever
Jun 30 04:24:57 <Tibfib_> they probably suck
Jun 30 04:25:00 <Tibfib_> but maybe
Jun 30 04:25:13 <Tibfib_> ;)
Jun 30 04:25:15 <Tibfib_> goodnight allllllllll
Jun 30 04:25:16 <halfhalo> lol
Jun 30 04:27:55 <halfhalo> I really only use reviews for the big things.  you know, like if a device has a slight fault that results in you flying backwards after being electrocuted (looking at you corsair).  everything else is determined once I play with it myself.
Jun 30 04:28:16 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: ping!
Jun 30 04:28:24 <mattsmcnulty> only a very small percentage of reviewers were electrocuted using touchpads
Jun 30 04:28:42 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jun 30 04:28:50 <mattsmcnulty> clearly walt
Jun 30 04:28:51 <PatrickC> what's up mattsmcnulty
Jun 30 04:28:56 <rwatkins> ha. nice shot of the pre3 in the Ars review
Jun 30 04:28:56 <PatrickC> ozetadev!
Jun 30 04:29:04 <ozetadev> good evening.
Jun 30 04:29:18 <mattsmcnulty> evening patrick
Jun 30 04:29:52 <halfhalo> mattsmcnulty: I think the ny times guy was.  I mean, what the crap was that?
Jun 30 04:30:15 <PatrickC> so.. Koto is going Enyo?
Jun 30 04:30:23 <mattsmcnulty> definitely wrote with a perspective in the first 1/3 or so, that's for sure
Jun 30 04:31:01 <Clark008> any of you get the touchpad yet?
Jun 30 04:31:10 <mattsmcnulty> I got one like in november
Jun 30 04:31:14 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 30 04:31:18 * PatrickC cries
Jun 30 04:31:25 <PatrickC> can I have one tomorrow? :)
Jun 30 04:31:36 <Clark008> they have a midnight launch
Jun 30 04:31:36 * halfhalo whistles
Jun 30 04:31:47 <rwatkins> so .. no flickr synergy ... any particular problem with implementing that one?
Jun 30 04:31:48 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: dev discount announced today/tomorrow/friday/sometime??
Jun 30 04:31:59 <mattsmcnulty> no idea
Jun 30 04:32:04 <Clark008> probably api thing
Jun 30 04:32:16 <Clark008> there's dev discount?
Jun 30 04:32:17 <halfhalo> mail is a pretty sharp app, I will say.
Jun 30 04:32:21 <mattsmcnulty> thanks
Jun 30 04:32:39 <Clark008> you got a touchpad in nov?
Jun 30 04:32:45 <mattsmcnulty> we did mail, browser, and maps internally on the team
Jun 30 04:32:51 <rwatkins> well given there *is* a flickr api, i wonder why.  wonder if I could hack one myself.
Jun 30 04:33:15 <Clark008> you work for hp?
Jun 30 04:33:17 <ozetadev> those seem like the nicest ones
Jun 30 04:33:18 <rwatkins> no
Jun 30 04:33:41 <Clark008> no, I meant mattsmcnulty
Jun 30 04:33:57 <rwatkins> ha
Jun 30 04:34:05 <rwatkins> just a lil
Jun 30 04:34:25 <mattsmcnulty> there are whole hours in the day, mostly in the middle of the night, where I don't work for hp
Jun 30 04:34:35 * halfhalo waits to play with touchtoshare.  so many possibilities... 
Jun 30 04:34:40 <ozetadev> Hi matt, 'grats again on the great framework. Things must be pretty hectic right about now at Hpalm :)
Jun 30 04:34:52 <rwatkins> oh I'm sure your employment agreement says otherwise.  you dream it, they still own it.
Jun 30 04:35:11 <mattsmcnulty> we finish software 3-4 weeks, min, before hardware comes out. so a while ago was more hectic
Jun 30 04:35:21 <mattsmcnulty> takes a while to manufacture and fill channels, etc
Jun 30 04:35:34 <Clark008> are there dev discounts?
Jun 30 04:35:51 <sugardave> nothing announced so far
Jun 30 04:36:08 <ozetadev> there probably will be, I think kerris said more info will come soon, No idea when though
Jun 30 04:36:47 <Clark008> I thought it'd be available before launch to get more dev involved
Jun 30 04:36:47 <rwhitby> in the coming weeks
Jun 30 04:36:59 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 04:37:06 <Clark008> are they planning on making a 7" version?
Jun 30 04:37:33 <ozetadev> lol I think anyone who could comment on that, can't comment on that...
Jun 30 04:37:47 <Clark008> probably =p
Jun 30 04:38:02 <ozetadev> ah yeah the question was asked: TheSandyWalsh Sandy Walsh™  @richardkerris Any news on developer pricing for tablet?
Jun 30 04:38:05 <PatrickC> sugardave: haha
Jun 30 04:38:13 <ozetadev> and answered: @TheSandyWalsh we said we would announce dev program updates prior to ship, and we're on track to do that.
Jun 30 04:38:14 <mattsmcnulty> it's already on sale here http://www.amazon.com/Android-Touchpad-notebook-Netbook-Internet/dp/B003O0T8KG
Jun 30 04:38:35 <Clark008> lol, you're messing with us right?
Jun 30 04:38:48 <mattsmcnulty> that is, quite possibly, my favorite amazon product title ever
Jun 30 04:38:50 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: ewwww
Jun 30 04:38:52 <ozetadev> No.
Jun 30 04:39:00 <torchie> christ
Jun 30 04:39:03 <mattsmcnulty> it has the netbooks and the internets though!
Jun 30 04:39:03 <torchie> it does everything!
Jun 30 04:39:07 <torchie> I'm gonna totally buy one
Jun 30 04:39:09 <ozetadev> that looks like its worth about 12$.
Jun 30 04:39:20 <mattsmcnulty> with google and touchpad
Jun 30 04:39:21 <torchie> I mean a netbook AND it's an MID and a UMPC and ebook reader?
Jun 30 04:40:01 <halfhalo> 600mhz of pure android goodness
Jun 30 04:40:09 * PatrickC runs
Jun 30 04:40:19 <PatrickC> nothing android can be good
Jun 30 04:40:52 <ozetadev> meh.
Jun 30 04:41:13 <sugardave> my wife's Nook is pretty okay
Jun 30 04:41:13 <torchie> yeah froyo chugs on an 800mhz omap 3621 with 512 ram
Jun 30 04:41:15 <torchie> imagine on this thing
Jun 30 04:41:35 <mattsmcnulty> I want an android phone to mess around with, but I want stock android on ATT so I can swap sims, and that like does not exist
Jun 30 04:41:45 <ozetadev> what the heck is that patrick
Jun 30 04:41:56 <PatrickC> what?
Jun 30 04:42:01 <torchie> mattsmcnulty: white nexus S someday
Jun 30 04:42:05 <torchie> someday bloody someday
Jun 30 04:42:09 <mattsmcnulty> someday
Jun 30 04:42:17 <mattsmcnulty> my android buddies won't tell me
Jun 30 04:42:19 <Epyon22> white's overrated
Jun 30 04:42:27 <halfhalo> winphone7 is waaay better than android
Jun 30 04:42:27 <ozetadev> " [~Patrick_C@unaffiliated/patrick-c/x-9440769] requested CTCP VERSION from ozetadev:"
Jun 30 04:42:30 <torchie> wish every phone just came with every wireless
Jun 30 04:42:33 <torchie> oh hell yeah it is
Jun 30 04:42:43 <PatrickC> philip: I was seeing what client you were using
Jun 30 04:42:51 <ozetadev> I love my focus, and im using the web version.
Jun 30 04:42:55 <torchie> if only there was a winphone7 with gyroscope and front cam on sprint
Jun 30 04:42:56 <torchie> so I can like
Jun 30 04:42:57 <torchie> buy it
Jun 30 04:42:59 <mattsmcnulty> I used win phone 7 for the first time extensively the other day. I expected to like it a lot more
Jun 30 04:43:09 <mattsmcnulty> no idea what nokia is doing. the n9 looks impressive
Jun 30 04:43:31 <rwatkins> i think wp7 looks nice, the ui is pretty and polished.
Jun 30 04:43:33 <torchie> also skype and shazam and nook etc
Jun 30 04:43:38 <torchie> wp7 is beautiful and majestic
Jun 30 04:43:39 <ozetadev> I was promised an n950, but IDK if thats gonna come to fruition
Jun 30 04:43:40 <torchie> and alive
Jun 30 04:43:44 <halfhalo> mattsmcnulty: have to play with mango.  just stuck it on the samsung focus.  tis nice.
Jun 30 04:43:54 <mattsmcnulty> it looks polished, but after using it for an hour I got a bit annoyed with it. skin deep
Jun 30 04:43:54 <rwatkins> course you have no multitasking yet, and have to write in silverlight .. till they yank that rug out.
Jun 30 04:43:55 <torchie> that's the crazy part
Jun 30 04:43:55 <torchie> it's basically single color squares and text flying around but it's just so alive
Jun 30 04:44:11 <mattsmcnulty> they do a good job with fluid animations
Jun 30 04:44:21 <mattsmcnulty> and a unique style
Jun 30 04:44:31 <torchie> I was a bit unimpressed by the n9 personally
Jun 30 04:44:32 <rwatkins> a very good job -- like how overscroll actually squishes the content slightly
Jun 30 04:44:39 <torchie> like the chassis looks nice -- like one of the old ipod nanos
Jun 30 04:44:39 <PatrickC> halfhalo: rooted?
Jun 30 04:44:44 <torchie> but
Jun 30 04:44:54 <mattsmcnulty> I thought the n9 software looked really nice. smooth and unique
Jun 30 04:45:03 <torchie> I still saw framerate drops in the UI
Jun 30 04:45:17 <torchie> and the interface is unintuitive
Jun 30 04:45:27 <torchie> with the whole "no home button" and offscreen swiping business
Jun 30 04:45:29 <halfhalo> PatrickC: no.  I'm a registered winphone dev.  dreamspark ftw.
Jun 30 04:45:37 <torchie> like if i was having a heart attack
Jun 30 04:45:43 <mattsmcnulty> gestures weren't intuitive so I aint throwing stones
Jun 30 04:45:45 <torchie> and the only available phone was the N9
Jun 30 04:45:51 <ozetadev> I got screwed by that dreamspark thing... they ended up charging me 100$ anyway.
Jun 30 04:45:57 <mattsmcnulty> oh, don't get me wrong, it is DOA due to the win decision
Jun 30 04:45:58 <torchie> and someone else that never used it had to use it
Jun 30 04:46:00 <torchie> I'd be dead
Jun 30 04:46:13 <mattsmcnulty> but I was surprised it was as good as it appeared to be, and made me question the win decision
Jun 30 04:46:26 <PatrickC> halfhalo: awesome.. so, what does being a registered dev have to do with anything?
Jun 30 04:46:30 <torchie> every phone should pass this test before being in the hands of millions
Jun 30 04:46:46 <halfhalo-tp> means the phone is unlocked by ms
Jun 30 04:46:56 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 04:46:57 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 30 04:47:09 <torchie> wow after eating a big piece of chicken I have suddenly been overcome with a wave of hunger
Jun 30 04:47:11 <ozetadev> whats the dif between halfhalo and halfhalo-tp
Jun 30 04:47:16 * Hendikins does some contact exporting and whatnot, since he has to use a new profile.
Jun 30 04:47:22 <torchie> which means either A) I am actually ridiculously hungry after an hour
Jun 30 04:47:30 <sugardave> ozetadev: one's got toilet paper stuck to his shoe
Jun 30 04:47:31 <torchie> or B) I am beginning to feel the effects of salmonella poisoning
Jun 30 04:47:34 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 30 04:47:41 <ozetadev> ah, lol.
Jun 30 04:47:43 <halfhalo-tp> tinyphone
Jun 30 04:47:48 <Epyon22> or you ate a raccoon instead
Jun 30 04:47:57 <Epyon22> and have a tape worm
Jun 30 04:48:08 <ozetadev> a la sunny in philadelphia?
Jun 30 04:48:12 <Hendikins> Ah, good old option C - "That wasn't chicken"
Jun 30 04:48:12 <torchie> you know i probably ate a raccoon
Jun 30 04:48:15 <torchie> I don't spend that much time verifying if the meat at the grocery store is actually chicken and pork
Jun 30 04:48:15 <Epyon22> lol
Jun 30 04:48:26 <halfhalo-veer> hmm.
Jun 30 04:48:33 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 04:48:43 <sugardave> Chiken, from the makers of Krab
Jun 30 04:49:02 <torchie> the Crusty Chiken
Jun 30 04:50:06 <PatrickC> its Krusty
Jun 30 04:50:12 <torchie> not when they serve chiken
Jun 30 04:50:32 <mattsmcnulty> ok, I am wiped. fun as usual gents. catch you later this week when we post the sdk and enyo opens to the masses
Jun 30 04:50:40 <torchie> alright
Jun 30 04:50:42 <halfhalo-veer> nightynight!
Jun 30 04:50:43 <torchie> peace
Jun 30 04:50:46 <rwatkins> woot!
Jun 30 04:50:47 <torchie> well as long as I'm overcome with this strange feeling in my stomach
Jun 30 04:50:49 <ozetadev> yay, adios.
Jun 30 04:50:50 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: in the coming days, hey?
Jun 30 04:50:52 <torchie> I might as well eat the rest of the chiken
Jun 30 04:50:58 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: so, enyo comes out this week?! :)
Jun 30 04:51:00 <sugardave> night mattsmcnulty
Jun 30 04:51:14 <mattsmcnulty> :-D
Jun 30 04:51:46 * PatrickC <3 tab-complete!
Jun 30 04:51:52 <PatrickC> thanks oil_pre
Jun 30 04:52:02 <dohtem> Anyone actually read PreCentral's TouchPad review.  Derek is a nut
Jun 30 04:52:10 <halfhalo-veer> tab complete is like it every browser ever
Jun 30 04:52:13 <PatrickC> I didn't
Jun 30 04:52:31 <PatrickC> halfhalo-veer: I didn't know it was on eirc
Jun 30 04:52:33 <PatrickC> wirc*
Jun 30 04:52:40 <ozetadev> Nor did I. I have a feeling I'll be left disappointed by reviews.
Jun 30 04:52:43 <halfhalo-veer> ...
Jun 30 04:52:56 <torchie> derek's a nut?
Jun 30 04:52:58 <torchie> what did he say nutty
Jun 30 04:53:19 <dohtem> he went through *everything*
Jun 30 04:53:28 <PatrickC> and that's bad?
Jun 30 04:53:41 <ozetadev> It was like in two parts, right?
Jun 30 04:53:41 <dohtem> no, good, I guess
Jun 30 04:53:44 <torchie> i thought that's how reviews were supposed to go
Jun 30 04:53:48 <dohtem> it's just so indepth
Jun 30 04:54:07 <dohtem> ozetadev: yup
Jun 30 04:54:08 <torchie> this ain't a harry potter book, it's a tool that you're gonna drop 500bux on
Jun 30 04:54:16 <torchie> better lay out all the excruciating details
Jun 30 04:54:31 <ozetadev> i wonder why WOR didn't have a review
Jun 30 04:54:32 <PatrickC> too many words
Jun 30 04:54:36 <PatrickC> sum it up :)
Jun 30 04:54:42 <PatrickC> they did (iirc?)
Jun 30 04:55:08 <ozetadev> ah theres was just late
Jun 30 04:55:29 <ozetadev> by like an hour
Jun 30 04:55:36 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 04:55:55 <torchie> hmm
Jun 30 04:55:58 <torchie> derek apparently wrote the whole review in memos
Jun 30 04:56:05 * PatrickC is tired.. and off to dreamland where touchpads roam free
Jun 30 04:56:11 <ozetadev> yeah... i heard he wrote it on the tp
Jun 30 04:56:13 <PatrickC> wow.. must be a good app?
Jun 30 04:56:20 <torchie> oh hell no
Jun 30 04:56:24 <halfhalo-veer> lol
Jun 30 04:56:30 <PatrickC> and great hardware/software :)
Jun 30 04:56:46 <torchie> he rags on memos
Jun 30 04:56:47 * PatrickC yawns...
Jun 30 04:56:52 <PatrickC> night
Jun 30 04:57:00 <PatrickC> then why'd he use it?
Jun 30 04:57:23 <torchie> Once you get above around 1,500 words in a memo it starts to bog down in a most quicksand-like manner. The app still knows what’s going on and processes what you’re doing, but it can take seconds for text you’ve typed to actually display, and it may or may not have autocorrect applied.
Jun 30 04:57:44 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 04:57:48 <PatrickC> my pre2 does that
Jun 30 04:57:56 <torchie> yikes
Jun 30 04:58:10 <dohtem> can't wait to get one!
Jun 30 04:58:20 <PatrickC> email me @ patrickappcreator at gmail dot com if interested in beta'ing two awesome apps :)
Jun 30 04:58:53 <PatrickC> my pre2 lags a ton when texting/im'ing
Jun 30 04:59:02 <torchie> even the pre2 does it?
Jun 30 04:59:29 <torchie> my pre- gets its ass kicked by life
Jun 30 04:59:32 <freshrap6> does anyone have a sec to help a noob with a javascript bug?
Jun 30 04:59:33 <torchie> oh i heard you have a couple of cards open and you're receiving a phone call
Jun 30 04:59:35 <torchie> let me just
Jun 30 04:59:47 <torchie> not play anything resembling a ringtone but instead the "battery connected" sound over and over
Jun 30 05:00:09 <torchie> and make it so that no matter what you touch or slide or press I don't respond to answer the call
Jun 30 05:18:56 <LoneStar99> all day with enyo finally got this code working  was missing a stupid "!"  --> !this.owner.dragging
Jun 30 05:22:24 <Hendikins> Is there a limit to the number of contacts that can be exported using the CellBrite export?
Jun 30 05:26:15 <rrix> Does the facederp application use https if it's configured on a user's profile?
Jun 30 05:26:36 * rrix apparently had his password sniffed last night, and trying to figure out the vector of that.
Jun 30 05:27:14 <jaf0> patrickc: email sent.
Jun 30 05:27:23 <rwhitby> rrix: talk to jhojho
Jun 30 05:27:58 <rwhitby> he did an analysis on the fb mojo app
Jun 30 05:28:21 <rrix> jhojho: ping
Jun 30 05:28:25 <jaf0> rwhitby: normal install instructions for preware on the pad?
Jun 30 05:28:33 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 30 05:29:38 <rrix> Nice, facebook has two factor authentication now
Jun 30 05:29:40 <jaf0> rod: hehe. been so long gotta hit the wiki. =)
Jun 30 05:30:11 <jaf0> haha. +1: FAQ div drawer: "None"
Jun 30 05:30:24 <rwhitby> jaf0: install.preware.org
Jun 30 05:32:05 <jaf0> bah. i had it right. just s/_/-/
Jun 30 05:34:14 <jaf0> rod: in the loading scene... it looked like the url got truncated showed blahblah/ar and wrapped to the next line.
Jun 30 05:34:31 <jaf0> disregard.
Jun 30 05:34:48 <jaf0> slow eyes at -0400. :/
Jun 30 05:48:37 <torchie> ooooh
Jun 30 05:48:42 <torchie> touchpad browser 60fps
Jun 30 05:52:11 <torchie> touchpad has a wolfson DAC!
Jun 30 05:55:01 <torchie> browser doesn't lag but Photos gets its ass kicked :(
Jun 30 06:17:27 <hotdp> Good morning
Jun 30 06:25:45 <LoneStar99> morning hotdp
Jun 30 06:30:11 <maik> woo, Emergency Lights bundled and submitted
Jun 30 06:31:07 <maik> i'm longing to see videos of people holding their touchpads up out of their sun roofs, using BT audio of the external PA speaker and driving down the road with reckless abandon
Jun 30 06:31:38 <maik> all the while singing WEEEEEE-OOOOOOO-WEEEEEEE-OOOOOO
Jun 30 06:38:53 <hotdp> Spotify for TP, does anyone know?
Jun 30 06:41:04 <oil> "HP TouchPad: Made like a PC and straightforward to repair" :)
Jun 30 06:41:39 <hotdp> eh?
Jun 30 06:42:58 <oil> from that techrepublic teardown
Jun 30 06:43:20 <hotdp> io see :)
Jun 30 06:58:39 <Hendikins> And... my Veer has gone belly up.
Jun 30 06:58:59 <hotdp> what do you guys think about the reviews?
Jun 30 07:02:18 <LoneStar99> alright guys chat in some hours time to hit the hay
Jun 30 07:10:15 <hotdp> does not sound to good at engadget
Jun 30 07:12:23 <bubby323> they are apple freaks bro
Jun 30 07:13:10 <hotdp> Precentral does also not sound that good
Jun 30 07:13:14 <hotdp> bulky hardware
Jun 30 07:13:57 <Hendikins> So, thoughts on what to do with a dead Veer.
Jun 30 07:14:09 <bubby323> Send to me? Lol
Jun 30 07:15:47 <Hendikins> Practical ideas. I used it for about 6 hours, then it just ceased to be, or able to be, powered on.
Jun 30 07:16:16 <bubby323> Odd.
Jun 30 07:16:23 <bubby323> Did you doctor?
Jun 30 07:16:48 <bubby323> Charge it?
Jun 30 07:17:27 <bubby323> I doubt itx s bulky hotdp I mean come on.
Jun 30 07:17:57 <Hendikins> Fully charged battery. Can't doctor it if it won't power up.
Jun 30 07:18:17 <bubby323> How do younknow the battery is chsrged?
Jun 30 07:19:51 <Hendikins> Because I took it off the charger reading 100%, then 15 minutes later the device carked it?
Jun 30 07:20:02 <rwhitby> Hendikins: have you done the power mute wiggle?
Jun 30 07:20:10 <Hendikins> Yep.
Jun 30 07:20:19 <rwhitby> held power button for 30 secs?
Jun 30 07:20:32 <Hendikins> 30? I'll try that when I've got more than 30 seconds between stations.
Jun 30 07:21:47 <Hendikins> Negative
Jun 30 07:24:01 <rwhitby> Hendikins: dunno then
Jun 30 07:24:20 <rwhitby> Veers don't have a good track record in Australia
Jun 30 07:24:33 <Hendikins> Cactus, 30 seconds with or without a power source plugged in.
Jun 30 07:24:58 <rwhitby> Hendikins: you've seen my disassembly page?
Jun 30 07:26:55 <Hendikins> I was having a brief look at that, not sure I want to crack it open just yet. Could possibly return it as an early life failure.
Jun 30 07:52:48 <rwhitby> Hendikins: you can pull the battery temporarily without breaking the warranty seal
Jun 30 08:28:45 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Looks a bit delicate for me to do when I'm trying to work a train.
Jun 30 08:31:43 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 30 08:33:37 <Hendikins> Plus the whole having 1500-odd lives that are more important than my phone.
Jun 30 09:13:51 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Ended up taking off the back... interestingly my white sticker inside didn't stick. I've got a perfectly clean back cover and a sticker that should be stuck to it but is unbroken.
Jun 30 09:32:47 <joe__> hey..does this command plays sound from system?....
Jun 30 09:32:48 <joe__> does this command also plays the sound..?
Jun 30 09:35:09 <joe___> hey...this command is used for playing sound..?
Jun 30 09:35:16 <joe___> document.all.sound.src = document.clock.alarmSound.value;
Jun 30 09:50:36 <joe___> can anybdy himme the code to retrieve  n play system sound??
Jun 30 10:53:48 <Hendikins> rwhitby: This is interesting. The Veer has started showing up using lsusb, but as Bus 002 Device 044: ID 05c6:9008 Qualcomm, Inc. Gobi Wireless Modem (QDL mode)
Jun 30 11:02:54 <rwhitby> Hendikins: very interesting
Jun 30 11:06:01 <Hendikins> It is. I yanked all removable USB devices from the laptop, and it is definitely the Veer coming up as such.
Jun 30 11:06:26 <Hendikins> Haven't done a battery pull on it, I lack the claws or tools to do it at work.
Jun 30 11:18:45 <rwhitby> yeah, QDL mode makes sense for a Veer
Jun 30 11:18:54 <rwhitby> seems you've got it in some modem passthrough mode
Jun 30 11:19:11 <rwhitby> I don't know how to get it into or out of that mode
Jun 30 11:19:22 <rwhitby> (nor do I know anything about that mode itself)
Jun 30 11:19:33 <rwhitby> lots of info on the net about a QDLTool and the Dell Streak.
Jun 30 11:20:08 <rwhitby> It seems that QDLTool is a proprietary Qualcomm tool that is distributed on Android forums as warez
Jun 30 11:20:08 <Hendikins> Yeah, I'll have a look.
Jun 30 11:20:37 <Hendikins> I seem to have a variety of proprietary Qualcomm tools that I shouldn't already present on this laptop.
Jun 30 11:22:32 <rwhitby> Hendikins: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/86393306392694784
Jun 30 11:24:21 <eurisko> yo
Jun 30 11:24:41 <Hendikins> rwhitby: btw, I'm @hendikins on Twitter.
Jun 30 11:24:55 <Hendikins> And I have NFI how it got in that mode to begin with.
Jun 30 11:37:45 <Hendikins> Hrm, Windows (VM) says QHSUSB_DLOAD
Jun 30 11:42:59 <Hendikins> Googling suggests that the phone is toast.
Jun 30 11:43:09 <rwhitby> yeah, it's probably ready for a modem firmware download
Jun 30 11:46:40 <r9s> hello
Jun 30 11:46:53 <r9s> do you know where (on Pre) I can find files from quick search? I need edit wikipedia search
Jun 30 11:47:04 <r9s> from en.wikipedia.org to pl.wikipedia.org
Jun 30 11:47:28 <rwhitby> have you done a grep on an unpacked doctor rootfs?
Jun 30 11:48:13 <r9s> nope I need to do this directly on Pre
Jun 30 11:48:22 <r9s> because my computer is broken
Jun 30 11:48:48 <rwhitby> good luck then
Jun 30 11:50:16 <r9s> I need only change two letters
Jun 30 11:53:54 <Hendikins> Hrm, QPST can connect to it (using a WinXP VM with the appropriate driver), and yes, it is waiting for an upload.
Jun 30 12:05:14 <RagingMind> Hendikins, not sure it'd be in the right format or in the Veer doctor, but all the older doctors contained a copy of the modem firmware
Jun 30 12:06:17 <rwhitby> RagingMind: no good for this situation
Jun 30 12:07:06 <rwhitby> well, not unless you're 1000% certain that the files are in the correct format for the Qualcomm tools (which are different from the tools Palm uses on-device to update the modem)
Jun 30 12:10:19 <RagingMind> someone skilled with the tools could make a backup of a phone and compare it to what's provided in the doctor I suppose
Jun 30 12:11:41 <Hendikins> Being able to piss off and exit download mode could be nice
Jun 30 12:13:29 <Hendikins> Would a battery pull work for that, or would it just go straight back to download mode when the battery was put back in?
Jun 30 12:13:59 <RagingMind> Hendikins, that depends on what's wrong
Jun 30 12:14:40 <RagingMind> if the firmware that's loaded in the modem is corrupt, it's probably stuck until a successful upload
Jun 30 12:15:10 <Vyker> anyone use neato?
Jun 30 12:15:48 <rwhitby> Hendikins: that's why I suggested a battery pull. either it's corrupt, in which case it can't hurt it further, or some soft error has occurred, in which case it should clear it
Jun 30 12:17:17 <RagingMind> would a veer doctor recognize it in this mode and do the firmware download? or was that already tried after it started showing up in this mode?
Jun 30 12:17:42 <rwhitby> the doctor cannot connect to this mode
Jun 30 12:17:46 <RagingMind> boo
Jun 30 12:18:02 <Hendikins> It isnt' a Veer in this mode.
Jun 30 12:18:21 <Hendikins> It is just some Qualcomm based piece of kit waiting for firmware.
Jun 30 12:19:03 <RagingMind> I know with iPods when the firmware is corrupt you can force a recovery mode that iTunes will recognize, I was hoping for the same sort of thing
Jun 30 12:20:19 <RagingMind> and not just the connect to iTunes mode... a completely blank screen looks dead mode
Jun 30 12:21:12 <Hendikins> I believe that the Qualcomm download mode is about as close to that as you'll get, except we don't have the tools.
Jun 30 12:25:02 <rwhitby> Hendikins: now, if we knew how to get into that mode, and how to download stuff, that would open up all sorts of avenues ...
Jun 30 12:31:22 <Hendikins> You might be able to use QPST itself to put it in that mode - getting it out on the other hand...
Jun 30 12:33:04 <Vyker> i really miss homescreens from android
Jun 30 12:33:09 <Vyker> theres gotta be a way to get it onto webos
Jun 30 12:36:39 <phoque> Vyker, not really because they'd hinder navigating your cards
Jun 30 12:37:06 <phoque> there are no widgets by design, not by lazyness
Jun 30 12:37:13 <Vyker> wouldnt it be better if we could lauch our card naviagtor from the homescreen, instead of it defaulting to it
Jun 30 12:37:35 <phoque> hm?
Jun 30 12:38:27 <summatusmentis> what does widgets get you that having a card open won't?
Jun 30 13:01:31 <matbee> hmm
Jun 30 13:01:43 <matbee> i'd prefer a "card view" and a "widget view"
Jun 30 13:01:51 <summatusmentis> why?
Jun 30 13:01:56 <matbee> open cards are applications
Jun 30 13:02:04 <matbee> period
Jun 30 13:02:13 <matbee> widgets are information at a glance
Jun 30 13:02:14 <summatusmentis> I mean, yes
Jun 30 13:02:44 <summatusmentis> but an open card can provide the same information
Jun 30 13:02:47 <matbee> Let's be honest, most people don't design their apps as "minor data, displayed for quick consumption"
Jun 30 13:03:13 <matbee> i made my weather app, simply because everything else was far too immersive and detailed
Jun 30 13:03:14 <summatusmentis> perhaps not, although I would argue the card metaphor allows that to be done easier than in other areas
Jun 30 13:03:31 <matbee> yes but no apps support this "just use cards like widgets"
Jun 30 13:03:35 <RagingMind> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/hp-touchpad-leapfrogs-rivals-in-productivity/8586
Jun 30 13:03:45 <RagingMind> yay! a positive review!
Jun 30 13:03:49 <RagingMind> mostly
Jun 30 13:03:52 <matbee> gizmodo had a good review
Jun 30 13:04:02 <matbee> i actually think its a very truthful review
Jun 30 13:04:03 <summatusmentis> RagingMind: most of the reviews are generally positive
Jun 30 13:04:11 <summatusmentis> but they do harp on the negatives quite a bit
Jun 30 13:04:25 <RagingMind> I was reading the engadget review and it felt like I was deflating
Jun 30 13:04:26 <matbee> my only problem is the 'hoorah ipad'
Jun 30 13:04:58 <summatusmentis> matbee: part of the issue might be my own lack of understanding why you'd use a widget at all, when the app provides you more information in a better format
Jun 30 13:05:01 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jun 30 13:05:04 <summatusmentis> so, you know, personal preference
Jun 30 13:05:12 <matbee> more information isnt better
Jun 30 13:05:23 <matbee> widgets provide quick, compact information
Jun 30 13:05:32 <matbee> you can see 5 different things at a time
Jun 30 13:05:42 <matbee> cards generally only consume a single type of data
Jun 30 13:06:35 <summatusmentis> well, again, I usually want more than 5 bits of info, and I like keeping my data separate by what it is (but again, just my preferences)
Jun 30 13:06:56 <matbee> if we could swipe down from the top of the screen, and get a widget view
Jun 30 13:07:07 <matbee> that would be cool
Jun 30 13:07:24 <matbee> or the lock screen containing widgets
Jun 30 13:07:51 <RagingMind> there are already 1 or 2 things that come down from the top... not sure another one would be all that usable
Jun 30 13:08:32 <summatusmentis> I do like that notifications sort of act like widgets. Music Player Remix, as an example, puts a control "notification", so you can play/pause/skip songs from the lock screen
Jun 30 13:10:05 <RagingMind> I disable notifications on my lock screen, so that doesn't work so well
Jun 30 13:13:10 <matbee> like
Jun 30 13:13:12 <matbee> on the touchpad
Jun 30 13:13:19 <matbee> if they expand that notification list
Jun 30 13:13:29 <matbee> and show widget data
Jun 30 13:13:30 <matbee> +1
Jun 30 13:27:18 <gaurav_> I don't suppose anyone has a minute to spare for my mod_rewrite/.htaccess questions in PM?
Jun 30 13:27:33 <gaurav_> I warn you: they are rather noobish questions
Jun 30 13:32:16 <LoneStar99> gaurav_ i can try
Jun 30 13:43:23 <epyon22_pre-_> is there anyway to install the eclipse plugin without using the repositories? my work computer has a firewall that I can't change.
Jun 30 13:45:12 <epyon22_pre-_> hello?
Jun 30 13:51:41 <LoneStar99> yeah i think you can manually install the plugin, it is available via download
Jun 30 13:51:48 <LoneStar99> from HP servers
Jun 30 13:56:34 <epyon22_pre-_> do you know where. the instrutions say "below" but I can't seem to find it
Jun 30 13:58:31 <epyon22_pre-_> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/eclipse.html
Jun 30 14:00:44 <PatrickC> any news on dev discount?
Jun 30 14:00:58 <summatusmentis> I doubt it
Jun 30 14:01:01 <summatusmentis> not till tomorrow
Jun 30 14:01:20 <PatrickC> I thought Kerris said we would hear before launch?
Jun 30 14:01:43 <epyon22_pre-_> mornin pat:
Jun 30 14:01:45 <summatusmentis> the article from earlier this week said full details would come out July 1
Jun 30 14:01:52 <PatrickC> epyon22_pre-_: morning
Jun 30 14:02:07 <phoque> so
Jun 30 14:02:15 <phoque> when will HP release a Google+ app
Jun 30 14:02:17 <phoque> :-D
Jun 30 14:02:20 <epyon22_pre-_> hmm how do I work this auto complete in wirc
Jun 30 14:02:39 <summatusmentis> oil said yesterday that it was orange+gesture
Jun 30 14:03:11 <PatrickC> epyon22_pre-_: gesture + orange/silver button
Jun 30 14:03:37 <epyon22_pre-_> sugardave: ahh thx PatrickC
Jun 30 14:04:02 <jaf0> patrickC: present
Jun 30 14:04:12 <PatrickC> jaf0: PM?
Jun 30 14:05:41 <epyon22_pre-_> bit.ly/kdqy7s < good review of the tp :-D
Jun 30 14:06:59 <RagingMind> epyon22_pre-_, link isn't working
Jun 30 14:08:58 <PatrickC> epyon22_pre-_: you have to put http:// before any link to make it clickable
Jun 30 14:09:24 <epyon22_pre-_> woops http://bit.ly/kdqy7S there was a capital s in there
Jun 30 14:10:05 <epyon22_pre-_> I wish my pre- could use a bt keyboard would be super handy
Jun 30 14:10:14 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 14:10:22 <RagingMind> epyon22_pre-_, if you put 2.1 on it I'm pretty sure you can
Jun 30 14:10:48 <g4lt> Epyon22: just wait, maybe Targus will make a foldable keyboard for webos models ;)
Jun 30 14:11:36 <epyon22_pre-_> yeah I would really want one if I get a pre3 :-D
Jun 30 14:15:54 <PatrickC> epyon22_pre-_: why not meta-doctor?
Jun 30 14:17:05 <epyon22_pre-_> I'm waiting just a little bit. I get my sis's pre- july1st I'll practice on that
Jun 30 14:17:27 <PatrickC> practice? ok. :)
Jun 30 14:17:43 <PatrickC> I could help you if needed :) do you have ubuntu installed?
Jun 30 14:18:45 <epyon22_pre-_> yeah run it on the laptop. I don't think I'll have any problems. just don't want to risk a brick and hurt my chances for a pre3
Jun 30 14:19:11 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 14:20:11 <epyon22_pre-_> ooo tethering and wirc work at the same time :-D
Jun 30 14:20:54 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 14:33:49 <Deihmos> I just read that HP will be releasing win 8 tablets and are looking to license Webos. I have a strong feeling that Webos will be on the backburner unless some success which looks unlikely.
Jun 30 14:35:47 <g4lt> why not just plam's Usual suspects, sony, samsung, symbol, etc
Jun 30 14:35:54 <g4lt> Palm's even
Jun 30 14:36:55 <summatusmentis> Deihmos: HP is a huge business, there's no reason they can't have both product lines
Jun 30 14:37:29 <g4lt> summatusmentis: I once thought that that way, until Carly ;P
Jun 30 14:37:49 <summatusmentis> what?
Jun 30 14:37:51 <epyon22_pre-_> Deihmos: the one I'm reading sounds like the are considering the option if webos doesn't do well
Jun 30 14:38:15 <Deihmos> Which at this point looks unlikely.
Jun 30 14:38:30 <g4lt> Carly pretty much abused HP into singleminded focus, typically on the wrong product, such as getting rid of the HP9000s for itanic
Jun 30 14:38:53 <summatusmentis> oh, the CEO from a while ago
Jun 30 14:39:12 <summatusmentis> not Miranda Cosgrove, who is doing some of the veer commercials :)
Jun 30 14:39:19 <summatusmentis> (iCarly)
Jun 30 14:40:14 <g4lt> I wonder who thought hiring a spokesperson named "*carly" wouldn't raise nightmares
Jun 30 14:40:39 <summatusmentis> her name is Miranda Cosgrove
Jun 30 14:40:48 <summatusmentis> she's just from some Disney show
Jun 30 14:42:05 <g4lt> as long as she doesn't run for Cali senate ;P
Jun 30 14:42:25 <summatusmentis> she's like.. 17
Jun 30 14:42:27 <summatusmentis> or something
Jun 30 14:42:29 <summatusmentis> young
Jun 30 14:43:03 <Hendikins> Ah, great way to irritate the punters: Give them a "Good morning passengers..." when you're working the 00:05 out of Central.
Jun 30 15:02:23 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: Nickalodian haha
Jun 30 15:14:37 <LoneStar99> Carly sucked and she failed in California also!
Jun 30 15:15:21 <LoneStar99> only thing carly did not suck at was getting a killer salary etc...
Jun 30 15:23:30 <PatrickC> chuqui: hey
Jun 30 15:23:59 <rwhitby> Hendikins: https://twitter.com/Underzenith85/status/86451829742907393
Jun 30 15:24:33 <chuqui> hey
Jun 30 15:25:31 <PatrickC> dev discount should be announced today?
Jun 30 15:26:14 <dcousineau> :D
Jun 30 15:27:07 <rwatkins> chuqui: poke those oompa-loompas - my app update has been in the queue longer than the inital app submission. :)
Jun 30 15:28:01 <haeffb-pre> rwatkins: they are likely focusing on reviewing new app submissions at this point
Jun 30 15:28:42 <haeffb-pre> MOAR APPS!
Jun 30 15:28:53 <chuqui> rwatkins: email pdc, I'll forward it.
Jun 30 15:28:53 <rwatkins> haeffb-pre: yea, would expect so.  they want to make it to "300" per the recent reviews i imagine.
Jun 30 15:29:29 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 15:29:34 <rwatkins> chuqui: thx.  its only been a day, just has major perf improments that would be good to have for launch.
Jun 30 15:29:49 <maik> are we supposed to know that Derek has a Pre3?
Jun 30 15:29:56 <chuqui> rwatkins: kk. do what we can. it's crazy time, as you might expect.
Jun 30 15:29:59 <PatrickC> rwatkins: what app(s)?
Jun 30 15:30:29 <PatrickC> maik: how do you know? I haven't checked precentral in the past few hours..
Jun 30 15:30:30 <rwatkins> Paper Mache - Instapaper client for webOS - https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache
Jun 30 15:30:50 <maik> PatrickC: screenshots in the TouchPad review show its pared to "Derek Kessler's HP Pre3"
Jun 30 15:30:54 <rwatkins> Free, tho requires an IP subscription to use the IP API.
Jun 30 15:31:00 <maik> of course...what's in a name?
Jun 30 15:31:12 * halfhalo-veer yawns
Jun 30 15:31:41 <PatrickC> rwatkins: not available for my model?
Jun 30 15:31:43 <PatrickC> pre2
Jun 30 15:31:58 <halfhalo-veer> maik: all reviews are showing off the pre3
Jun 30 15:32:05 <maik> k
Jun 30 15:32:30 * PatrickC wants a Pre³ :'(
Jun 30 15:32:47 * maik kicks Sprin
Jun 30 15:32:47 <maik> t
Jun 30 15:32:53 * halfhalo wants a coke.  stupid pepsi
Jun 30 15:33:21 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 15:33:29 * PatrickC wants to be done with school
Jun 30 15:33:45 * dkirker wants a vacation
Jun 30 15:33:48 <PatrickC> maik: we might get one.. we don't know..
Jun 30 15:33:54 * PatrickC wants a universe update
Jun 30 15:33:55 <PatrickC> :)
Jun 30 15:34:00 * PatrickC runs
Jun 30 15:34:00 <maik> i know, i just want them to make an announcement
Jun 30 15:34:02 <dkirker> heh
Jun 30 15:34:07 * halfhalo wants a very particular phone call
Jun 30 15:34:11 <maik> halfhalo: i feel the same way about my school re: coke
Jun 30 15:34:15 * maik wants mtn dew
Jun 30 15:34:23 * PatrickC wants to win the /me war
Jun 30 15:34:34 * maik will win.
Jun 30 15:34:35 <rwatkins> PatrickC: was planning a mojo version but we'll see based on upcoming release dates.
Jun 30 15:34:41 <rwatkins> I have a Pre2 myself.
Jun 30 15:35:39 <PatrickC> same here
Jun 30 15:35:41 * halfhalo will cheat at the /me war
Jun 30 15:35:55 * PatrickC kicks halfhalo for cheating
Jun 30 15:36:04 * maik wins
Jun 30 15:36:17 * PatrickC already won
Jun 30 15:36:24 * maik won before you
Jun 30 15:36:41 * PatrickC claimed victory
Jun 30 15:36:54 * maik used his time machine to win before you
Jun 30 15:36:58 * halfhalo gets the tazer 
Jun 30 15:37:06 * PatrickC runs from halfhalo
Jun 30 15:37:16 <halfhalo> only used for parties and special occasions
Jun 30 15:37:16 <cwayne> PatrickC: lol you got a long way to go buddy
Jun 30 15:37:25 <PatrickC> cwayne: haha
Jun 30 15:37:43 * maik gets his handcuffs
Jun 30 15:37:44 <maik> same ^
Jun 30 15:38:28 * PatrickC runs faster. steals dawm's car
Jun 30 15:38:28 <cwayne> wtf did i miss
Jun 30 15:38:42 <PatrickC> cwayne: we are having a /me war
Jun 30 15:39:12 * cwayne likes turtles
Jun 30 15:39:17 * halfhalo has 07 super snake parked in front of his house.  he wins.
Jun 30 15:39:48 * PatrickC jumps in the Caddy XLR Roadster!
Jun 30 15:40:07 <halfhalo> supersnake wins
Jun 30 15:40:24 <PatrickC> fine.. my friends ferrari wins
Jun 30 15:40:35 <PatrickC> or the lambo
Jun 30 15:40:36 <halfhalo> nope
Jun 30 15:40:40 <PatrickC> pick your poison
Jun 30 15:40:44 <halfhalo> depends on the model
Jun 30 15:40:50 <PatrickC> spyder
Jun 30 15:40:53 <PatrickC> or the viper
Jun 30 15:40:58 <PatrickC> I have rich friends :)
Jun 30 15:41:11 <halfhalo> sure.... lets go with that
Jun 30 15:41:13 <PatrickC> or the '68 Cuda with a 504
Jun 30 15:41:31 * halfhalo points out the ss is pushing 850hp right now.  he wishes it was his
Jun 30 15:41:38 * PatrickC jumps on the Kawasaki Ninja
Jun 30 15:41:45 <halfhalo> done that
Jun 30 15:42:00 <PatrickC> I know someone with a mustang that pushed out <1000 HP
Jun 30 15:42:14 * cwayne just bought a mustang
Jun 30 15:42:23 <PatrickC> what year?
Jun 30 15:42:26 <halfhalo> stock mustangs pushing that much out are useless.
Jun 30 15:42:38 <PatrickC> it wasn't stock
Jun 30 15:42:42 <cwayne> 2010
Jun 30 15:42:45 <PatrickC> had a turbo and tons of upgrades
Jun 30 15:42:54 * halfhalo wants either a 2011+ v8 GT Conv, or a 07+ 335i Conv
Jun 30 15:43:02 <PatrickC> cwayne: eww.. I don't like the '10 models.. the '11 are ok..
Jun 30 15:43:10 <halfhalo> stock as in only engine/powertrain modified
Jun 30 15:43:14 * PatrickC wants a Shelby GT500KR
Jun 30 15:43:20 <cwayne> PatrickC: they look exactly the same.... lol
Jun 30 15:43:20 <halfhalo> driven one
Jun 30 15:43:22 <PatrickC> halfhalo: ah
Jun 30 15:43:31 <PatrickC> cwayne: minor differences :)
Jun 30 15:43:40 <halfhalo> like a 5.0L v8
Jun 30 15:43:49 * rwhitby wonders if any of them run webOS ...
Jun 30 15:43:53 <cwayne> PatrickC: meh, i saved like 15k by getting a '10
Jun 30 15:43:54 <cwayne> lol
Jun 30 15:43:59 <halfhalo> my highlander does!
Jun 30 15:44:02 <PatrickC> rwhitby: they should!
Jun 30 15:44:21 * PatrickC wants a car that runs webOS :)
Jun 30 15:44:27 * halfhalo lost his pixi somewhere in it and it keeps reconnecting to irc when it finds wifi... close enough
Jun 30 15:44:50 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 15:45:19 <haeffb-pre> rwhitby fails at getting the channel back on topic
Jun 30 15:45:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 15:46:11 * PatrickC thinks its funny how off-topic we get sometimes
Jun 30 15:47:42 <PatrickC> HP TouchPad Gets Disassembled @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/hp-touchpad-gets-disassembled/
Jun 30 15:48:09 <PatrickC> rwhitby: done that yet?
Jun 30 15:50:56 <rwhitby> don't have to now.
Jun 30 15:51:23 <rwhitby> I'm interested in how they got permission to disassemble a pre-release review unit though ;)
Jun 30 15:51:25 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 15:51:45 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 30 15:52:07 <summatusmentis> hey, cwayne re: "/me likes turtles" have you seen the "I like turtles" youtube video?
Jun 30 15:52:17 <cwayne> summatusmentis: lol yeah
Jun 30 15:52:20 <PatrickC_Away> haha I have
Jun 30 15:52:27 <summatusmentis> ok, just making sure
Jun 30 15:52:29 <cwayne> i try to interject that into as many conversations as i can
Jun 30 15:52:30 <cwayne> that and
Jun 30 15:52:43 <cwayne> TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE A LEPRECHAUN TO ME
Jun 30 15:52:58 <PatrickC_Away> haha
Jun 30 15:53:45 <summatusmentis> it's one of my favorite YT videos of all time
Jun 30 15:54:36 <cwayne> summatusmentis: its so funny
Jun 30 15:55:00 <summatusmentis> indeed :)
Jun 30 16:00:35 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 30 16:00:52 <Hendikins> rwhitby: ...
Jun 30 16:01:26 <summatusmentis> !!! 3.0 NDA lifted https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=79180#p79180
Jun 30 16:01:39 <halfhalo> sweet
Jun 30 16:02:39 <Vyker> cool
Jun 30 16:02:41 <dcousineau> woot
Jun 30 16:02:51 <dcousineau> time to start flipping switches on github repos
Jun 30 16:03:08 <summatusmentis> I should start you know, writing my app
Jun 30 16:03:12 <Vyker> i wonder how long before we get 3.0 on pre2's
Jun 30 16:03:16 <dcousineau> summatusmentis: :P
Jun 30 16:03:54 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Got home, pulled the battery, I now have a working Veer again.
Jun 30 16:04:45 <sugardave> woo, much less pms now :D
Jun 30 16:05:39 <rwhitby> Hendikins: sweet
Jun 30 16:05:50 <LoneStar99> first after NDA lift --> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15744
Jun 30 16:06:50 <Hendikins> I don't have the claws required, so I just used a flat head jewellers screwdriver. Pop it out, wait 30 seconds... and that was it. I think I'll keep that in my work bag.
Jun 30 16:08:34 <Hendikins> Oh, and I've got the details for the Simon Malls Visa, so I'll be purchasing that homebrew docs package..
Jun 30 16:09:45 <jaf0> NDA Lifted.
Jun 30 16:10:05 <jaf0> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=79180#p79180
Jun 30 16:10:26 <Hendikins> jaf0: summatusmentis beat you to it.
Jun 30 16:11:00 <sugardave> there, now you can all help each other, and I will sit back and chuckle :P
Jun 30 16:11:30 <sugardave> just kidding, I can't keep my mouth shut
Jun 30 16:11:46 <NuttyBunny> EnyooooooooO!
Jun 30 16:11:54 <LoneStar99> lol
Jun 30 16:12:01 <LoneStar99> enyo enyo enyo
Jun 30 16:12:06 <jaf0> enyo face. :)
Jun 30 16:12:44 <rwatkins> yea! so screenshots now fine?
Jun 30 16:13:01 <Hendikins> Sail away, sail away, sail away... oh wait, that's Enya. :P
Jun 30 16:13:30 <NuttyBunny> rwatkins: seems so
Jun 30 16:13:56 <NuttyBunny> I missed todays deadline anyway.. hehehe
Jun 30 16:14:19 <NuttyBunny> btw, nyan fans: http://c0debabe.name/post/7080085944/shimozu-karmajesus-thecolleged-i-love
Jun 30 16:14:36 <sugardave> rwatkins: yes
Jun 30 16:14:42 <rwatkins> uncommenting screenshots from my html on my webpage then. :)
Jun 30 16:16:51 <rwatkins> http://www.ryanwatkins.net/software/papermache/press.html
Jun 30 16:18:32 <sugardave> rwatkins: looks good!
Jun 30 16:18:52 <sugardave> btw, I can't get GA custom vars to work either...but can't seem to pinpoint to anything on my end
Jun 30 16:18:52 <LoneStar99> so stoked about the lift, now sugardave will be bombared with enyo questions... LOL
Jun 30 16:18:55 <sugardave> so who knows?
Jun 30 16:19:15 <haeffb-pre> woot!
Jun 30 16:19:20 <sugardave> LoneStar99: yeah, but at lest they will be in the public and I won't have to keep up with so many damn irssi windows
Jun 30 16:19:36 <LoneStar99> sugardave: lol yeah
Jun 30 16:20:44 <LoneStar99> yesterday was on the same enyo code problem for like 5+ hours the fix was a simple "1"
Jun 30 16:20:51 <LoneStar99> sorry "!"
Jun 30 16:22:51 <haeffb-pre> so, somebody ask something enyo...
Jun 30 16:23:02 <haeffb-pre> .
Jun 30 16:23:03 <haeffb-pre> .
Jun 30 16:23:04 <haeffb-pre> .
Jun 30 16:23:09 <rwhitby> uiRevision:2 !  universal packinging!
Jun 30 16:23:19 <summatusmentis> how do you deal with all the braces in the json stuff when declaring components
Jun 30 16:23:25 <summatusmentis> that stuff is crazy
Jun 30 16:23:32 <rwhitby> js2-mode in emacs
Jun 30 16:23:34 <haeffb-pre> eclipse
Jun 30 16:23:59 <summatusmentis> I just find myself getting lost in it
Jun 30 16:24:06 <sugardave> proper indentation helps :D
Jun 30 16:24:19 <LoneStar99> need cookies for enyo... did not find much info on implementation
Jun 30 16:24:38 <haeffb-pre> cookies are same as mojo
Jun 30 16:24:47 <sugardave> ummm
Jun 30 16:24:52 <sugardave> not really
Jun 30 16:25:11 <haeffb-pre> except that they must be strings
Jun 30 16:25:13 <summatusmentis> sugardave: I've tried that, I've even tried braces on separate lines from the attributes (a la C-style)
Jun 30 16:25:43 <haeffb-pre> so you have to stringify/parse
Jun 30 16:25:46 <LoneStar99> yall have link to enyo cookies info?
Jun 30 16:25:49 <sugardave> that's the difference
Jun 30 16:27:18 <sugardave> LoneStar99: it's documented in the dom section of the API docs
Jun 30 16:27:46 <sugardave> enyo.getCookie(name);  and enyo.setCookie(name, value, props);
Jun 30 16:27:49 <LoneStar99> oh ok
Jun 30 16:27:57 <LoneStar99> looked for it last night
Jun 30 16:28:03 <LoneStar99> under "cookies"
Jun 30 16:29:51 <LoneStar99> thanks found it
Jun 30 16:30:12 <rwatkins> url to api docs?  :)
Jun 30 16:30:29 <LoneStar99> no offense to NDAs but they really do slow down development
Jun 30 16:30:44 <LoneStar99> rwatkins:  HOLD UP
Jun 30 16:30:49 <summatusmentis> well, you're supposed to be a whiz :)
Jun 30 16:31:01 <LoneStar99> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/HP%20webOS/SDK/share/refcode/webos-framework/enyo/1.0/support/docs/api/index.html
Jun 30 16:31:29 <rwatkins> "Program Files" pshaw.
Jun 30 16:32:08 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis: whiz kid... is the one that was 15 and sold his cloud service to activestate a few weeks back
Jun 30 16:32:17 <summatusmentis> heh
Jun 30 16:33:12 <LoneStar99> http://uoid.me/whiz1
Jun 30 16:34:26 <Hendikins> rwhitby: I can't help but be amused at seeing 3 tweets about my Veer so far. :P
Jun 30 16:35:06 <LoneStar99> gonna faint , justin bieber on radio, LOL
Jun 30 16:35:21 <Hendikins> If I can figure out how the hell that happened and reproduce it, I'll let you know.
Jun 30 16:37:01 <PatrickC_Away> summatusmentis: amazing!!!
Jun 30 16:38:14 <summatusmentis> when I did GSoC a couple years ago, there was someone who was already pretty highly active in the drupal community, but was too young to participate in GSoC (you have to be 18), so he was mentoring
Jun 30 16:38:18 <summatusmentis> at age 13
Jun 30 16:39:42 <chuqui> okay, folks, if you haven't heard, NDA on early access with webOS 3.0 is lifted. details here: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=79180#p79180
Jun 30 16:39:51 <rwhitby> chuqui: woohoo!
Jun 30 16:40:16 <PatrickC> chuqui: yeah!!!
Jun 30 16:40:20 <PatrickC> now, give me a dev discount :)
Jun 30 16:40:23 <hotdp> YAY
Jun 30 16:40:26 <dcousineau> 1/3 wishes complete
Jun 30 16:40:33 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 16:40:39 <PatrickC> what's the other 2/3?
Jun 30 16:40:40 * hotdp wants details on dev discount too
Jun 30 16:40:41 <dcousineau> remaining: release enyo && dev discount coupon
Jun 30 16:40:50 <chuqui> rwhitby: yeah, baby! (about damn time)
Jun 30 16:40:55 <hotdp> All the good reviews make me wonna buy?
Jun 30 16:41:24 <PatrickC> gosh.. I need tons of Enyo help.. now People here can help!!! :D
Jun 30 16:41:32 <dcousineau> yaaaaay
Jun 30 16:41:35 <dcousineau> https://github.com/dcousineau/EKL
Jun 30 16:41:38 <dcousineau> I can drop that all over the place
Jun 30 16:41:44 <dcousineau> and hope people fill it up
Jun 30 16:41:50 <PatrickC> dcousineau: I can't yet :/
Jun 30 16:41:59 <dcousineau> *shrug*
Jun 30 16:41:59 <rwhitby> chuqui: dev touchpad pricing, SDK release, universal package ranking to go, hey?
Jun 30 16:42:02 <dcousineau> then steal from it :P
Jun 30 16:42:05 <PatrickC> I need to get git and ssh set up on the pre2
Jun 30 16:42:19 <PatrickC> dev pricing first please chuq :)
Jun 30 16:42:27 <dcousineau> meeeh
Jun 30 16:42:29 <dcousineau> release enyo first
Jun 30 16:42:31 <dcousineau> then dev pricing
Jun 30 16:42:38 <PatrickC> chuqui: the site still says its in NDA ;)
Jun 30 16:42:43 <fxspec06> Hey guys
Jun 30 16:42:44 <dcousineau> also, I want a pony
Jun 30 16:42:47 <dcousineau> chuqui: get me a pony
Jun 30 16:42:47 <PatrickC> dcousineau: no.. dev pricing first :)
Jun 30 16:42:50 <fxspec06> first time i've fired up IRC in years
Jun 30 16:42:55 <rwatkins> rwhitby: so enyo lumberjack .. work?
Jun 30 16:42:57 <sugardave> PatrickC: wth, you still don't have a laptop to use?  isn't your school over, can't your parents see the value in letting you, you know, learn things?
Jun 30 16:42:58 <fxspec06> I need some help here
Jun 30 16:42:58 <PatrickC> fxspec06: NDA on 3.0 lifted
Jun 30 16:42:59 <rwatkins> or will it brick my TP?
Jun 30 16:43:02 <fxspec06> hey ROD
Jun 30 16:43:03 <fxspec06> !!
Jun 30 16:43:11 <chuqui> PatrickC:  we'll be updating the site and moving 3.0 SDK final into public space. probably not today, but that's why we sent out the notes.
Jun 30 16:43:11 <rwhitby> dcousineau: http://git.webos-internals.org/enyo/lumberjack/tree/enyo/wi
Jun 30 16:43:39 <PatrickC> sugardave: I'll be buying a mb soon
Jun 30 16:43:43 <PatrickC> touchpad first :)
Jun 30 16:44:02 <sugardave> so the answers is "no, they don't see the value"
Jun 30 16:44:08 <PatrickC> and sugardave I'm not done with school yet :)
Jun 30 16:44:21 <chuqui> rwhitby: dev pricing is coming; sdk will likely go live tomorrow (probably not today).
Jun 30 16:44:25 <PatrickC> no, I'll have to pay for some of it.. they don't have a spare $1000 to buy me one
Jun 30 16:44:39 <dcousineau> woo
Jun 30 16:44:42 <dcousineau> happy days
Jun 30 16:44:45 <PatrickC> chuqui: can you say what the dev pricing is to the seldom few who are listening ;)
Jun 30 16:45:08 <chuqui> PatrickC:  if I did, I'd have to kill you all. and I like you.
Jun 30 16:45:14 <chuqui> well, most of you.
Jun 30 16:45:18 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 16:45:19 <fxspec06> Alright, so I'm trying to submit my game as a paid app. last night I tried to remove it from beta so I can submit but the only option I could find was 'remove suspension'. I did that about 12 hours ago and nothing yet. Am I doing the right thing? I don't want to change the AppID. plz help! and thanks.
Jun 30 16:45:23 <PatrickC> am I on the like list? :)
Jun 30 16:45:24 <halfhalo> https://twitter.com/#!/halfhalo/status/86474105800503296
Jun 30 16:45:27 * halfhalo whistles
Jun 30 16:46:23 <rwatkins> ha, and that screenshot is not of "Virtua"
Jun 30 16:46:24 <PatrickC> halfhalo: how hard is that to do???????????
Jun 30 16:46:28 <dcousineau> rwhitby: I see you extended flyweight, sweet what hole were you filling in?
Jun 30 16:46:29 <sugardave> halfhalo: will it launch it directly?
Jun 30 16:46:42 <rwhitby> dcousineau: oil did that one for Lumberjack
Jun 30 16:46:51 <dcousineau> ahar
Jun 30 16:47:02 <rwhitby> dcousineau: oil is the enyo expert - I just cut and paste his code to make my enyo apps
Jun 30 16:47:07 <dcousineau> ;)
Jun 30 16:47:10 <PatrickC> rwhitby: apps gonna be updated to Enyo versions for those with it installed? wosi?
Jun 30 16:47:15 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 16:47:35 <dcousineau> rwhitby: enyo is fun, I hadth emost fun tearing it open :P
Jun 30 16:47:37 <halfhalo> sugardave: sorta kinda maybe...
Jun 30 16:47:49 <dcousineau> I still remember the comments at the dev day
Jun 30 16:47:53 <dcousineau> DONT OPEN THAT!
Jun 30 16:47:54 * rwhitby assumes PatrickC's question is rhetorical
Jun 30 16:47:55 <dcousineau> too late man
Jun 30 16:48:25 <PatrickC> hmm.. can Enyo be distributed for people to install it....
Jun 30 16:48:27 * PatrickC wonders..
Jun 30 16:48:51 <fxspec06> can anyone answer my question ? not trying to impose on anyone here.. if i am in the wrong channel plz let me know? not sure where else to go, i tweeted @palm @hp @webosdev and sent email to pdc ....
Jun 30 16:49:00 <rwhitby> PatrickC: only by HP
Jun 30 16:49:08 <PatrickC> rwhitby: ok.. :/
Jun 30 16:49:16 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: ask your question, no need to ask to ask :)
Jun 30 16:49:17 <chuqui> fxspec06:  once it's published as a beta, you can't move it. you have to publish it with a different app ID as a new app.
Jun 30 16:49:28 <summatusmentis> oh, did I miss something?
Jun 30 16:49:29 <fxspec06> alright, thanks
Jun 30 16:49:43 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: oh, sorry, I should read back further
Jun 30 16:49:48 <fxspec06> that's kind of what i was thinking, i just wanted to be positive before i went ahead and did it
Jun 30 16:50:06 <fxspec06> i'm so excited. never made an app for anything other than ti-basic
Jun 30 16:50:20 <NuttyBunny> enyo here, enyo there, now everyone talks enyo :P
Jun 30 16:51:17 <azakus> halfhalo: that can get meta really fast
Jun 30 16:51:22 <dkirker> it's ok, matt mcnulty, would kill me. I am still stuck in mojo land...
Jun 30 16:51:29 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 16:51:39 <sugardave> dkirker: time for a topic change? :D
Jun 30 16:51:42 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: now I can finally get help!! :P
Jun 30 16:51:49 <dkirker> sugardave: a puppy!!
Jun 30 16:51:51 * dkirker hugs it
Jun 30 16:51:53 <sugardave> haha
Jun 30 16:51:56 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: You're not the only one!
Jun 30 16:51:57 <rwhitby> dkirker: well, until July 1, Mojo is the only deployed webOS development language that customers can buy
Jun 30 16:52:06 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 30 16:52:15 <PatrickC> but... tomorrow it won't be :D
Jun 30 16:52:25 <dkirker> rwhitby: they have < 24 hours :)
Jun 30 16:52:30 <Hendikins> I thought it was July 1 here.
Jun 30 16:52:40 <PatrickC> Hendikins: whatever haha
Jun 30 16:52:45 <PatrickC> its June 30th here
Jun 30 16:52:48 <PatrickC> in the US
Jun 30 16:52:50 <rwhitby> dkirker: and even after that, there's still the installed base of customers
Jun 30 16:52:59 <Hendikins> Although we don't exist, everything at HP/Palm runs on some US timezone.
Jun 30 16:53:04 <sugardave> Hendikins: can you buy a TouchPad?  (sorry, I poke ant hills, too)
Jun 30 16:53:10 <azakus> June 30 2011 9:50am PDT
Jun 30 16:53:39 <PatrickC> its 11:50 here.. CDT
Jun 30 16:54:01 <summatusmentis> oh yeah?!? well in EDT it's 12:50, so there
Jun 30 16:54:03 <PatrickC> man so many questions
Jun 30 16:54:11 <PatrickC> I'll be on late tonight :D
Jun 30 16:54:25 <NuttyBunny> I'll wait for dev price
Jun 30 16:54:33 <sugardave> I won't
Jun 30 16:54:34 <NuttyBunny> someone toldme good news about that ;)
Jun 30 16:54:38 * PatrickC wont
Jun 30 16:54:38 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: me too probably
Jun 30 16:55:07 <dcousineau> I have to
Jun 30 16:55:13 <dcousineau> moved 3 months ago
Jun 30 16:55:20 <dcousineau> free cash is not so free atm
Jun 30 16:55:21 <dcousineau> ;)
Jun 30 16:55:32 <summatusmentis> I'm hoping it's enough to justify the wait
Jun 30 16:55:45 <NuttyBunny> yeah, me 2
Jun 30 16:55:54 * rwatkins is not waiting.  Looking to see what time Best Buy opens tomorrow ...
Jun 30 16:56:21 <fxspec06> this is a cool place. i'm gonna have to start using IRC more often
Jun 30 16:56:40 <PatrickC> chuqui: PM?
Jun 30 16:56:51 <PatrickC> fxspec06: wIRC FTW!
Jun 30 16:56:58 * NuttyBunny has to wait anyway, it's gonna be hard to get one from here :P
Jun 30 16:56:58 <summatusmentis> just be careful it doesn't get too addictive, otherwise you'll never get real work done (like me)
Jun 30 16:56:59 <fxspec06> oh i know!
Jun 30 16:57:07 <chuqui> PatrickC:  sure.
Jun 30 16:57:16 <fxspec06> i used to use all the time, wayyyy back when. dunno what happened!!
Jun 30 16:57:36 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: same here haha
Jun 30 16:58:21 <summatusmentis> yeah, it's bad
Jun 30 16:58:45 <PatrickC> irc == no work done ever lol
Jun 30 16:58:58 <PatrickC> unless its coding, then sometimes, you might get a little done :)
Jun 30 17:03:02 <fxspec06> coding is fun. =D
Jun 30 17:03:16 <fxspec06> (when it's not frustrating)
Jun 30 17:03:35 <singmajesty> You guys saw that the NDA has been lifted?
Jun 30 17:03:41 <summatusmentis> we did :)
Jun 30 17:03:44 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 30 17:04:05 <PatrickC> singmajesty: yep! :D
Jun 30 17:04:14 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: now they just need to announce dev pricing :)
Jun 30 17:04:17 <singmajesty> Yeah, my mind randomly went to the end of "Return of the Jedi," where all the ewoks dance, "Jump, jump for joy! Oi Oi!"
Jun 30 17:04:23 <PatrickC> halfhalo: how hard was that to do /re: dev on-device
Jun 30 17:04:37 <singmajesty> Not sure why that comes to mind...
Jun 30 17:04:42 <halfhalo> for someone who knows what they are doing? easy.
Jun 30 17:04:54 <summatusmentis> are you calling us annoying litle bears?
Jun 30 17:04:57 <summatusmentis> I see how it is
Jun 30 17:05:09 <singmajesty> Hey, there were people there too
Jun 30 17:05:11 <PatrickC> halfhalo: what did you do? just remote desktop?
Jun 30 17:05:24 <singmajesty> Just because little chipmunk bear creatures are dancing doesn't mean that people can't, too
Jun 30 17:05:30 <summatusmentis> hah
Jun 30 17:05:33 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 17:05:40 <halfhalo> PatrickC: yup.
Jun 30 17:05:50 <PatrickC> cool.. official app? or what?
Jun 30 17:06:11 <PatrickC> does the tp have a JRE?
Jun 30 17:06:15 <halfhalo> nope.
Jun 30 17:06:41 <singmajesty> Yeah, Java was ousted from webOS with 2.0
Jun 30 17:06:46 <PatrickC> :/
Jun 30 17:06:48 <singmajesty> Replaced with node.js
Jun 30 17:06:56 <singmajesty> You need to run Java?
Jun 30 17:07:01 <PatrickC> singmajesty: fix that, make Ares work on the touchpad! :)
Jun 30 17:07:07 <singmajesty> Ah, I see
Jun 30 17:07:12 * halfhalo has java.  he ran eclipse on the tp via chroot.
Jun 30 17:07:16 <singmajesty> Well I bet it could be written to use node.js instead
Jun 30 17:07:18 <sugardave> you wouldn't need Java for Ares on the TouchPad
Jun 30 17:07:32 <singmajesty> Or maybe make it a hybrid
Jun 30 17:07:35 <PatrickC> sugardave: why?
Jun 30 17:07:44 <phoque> the Java-part of Ares is just to bridge to an emulator or devie
Jun 30 17:07:44 <singmajesty> I think Ares should be an app, but maybe that's just me?
Jun 30 17:07:48 <sugardave> Java is for the bridge to the emulator or device
Jun 30 17:07:53 <phoque> you wouldn't need that when you're ON a device
Jun 30 17:07:54 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 17:07:56 <sugardave> singmajesty: Ares should be an Enyo app
Jun 30 17:08:03 <singmajesty> That's what I'm thinking
Jun 30 17:08:05 <PatrickC> so.. make Ares run without Java then :)
Jun 30 17:08:08 <singmajesty> Or, just an HTML/JS/CSS app
Jun 30 17:08:18 <PatrickC> sugardave, singmajesty: make it happen :)
Jun 30 17:08:28 <singmajesty> I think that on-device development is a sweet idea
Jun 30 17:08:34 <PatrickC> yeah
Jun 30 17:08:39 <halfhalo> yup
Jun 30 17:08:44 <PatrickC> the first device to fully support it, right?
Jun 30 17:08:46 <PatrickC> if it did..
Jun 30 17:08:50 <singmajesty> I picked up an HP Mini this week, but I keep looking at this screen, imagining it were a TouchPad instead
Jun 30 17:08:53 <PatrickC> and halfhalo seemed to make it work :)
Jun 30 17:09:09 <singmajesty> TouchPad + keyboard + touchstone = dev environment
Jun 30 17:09:18 <PatrickC> yes!
Jun 30 17:09:21 <PatrickC> cwayne: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;amp;p=79180#p79180
Jun 30 17:10:55 <PatrickC> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=79180#p79180 *
Jun 30 17:10:56 <NuttyBunny> Ok, I'll go now. C-ya you guys later, gotta move! :D
Jun 30 17:12:07 <sugardave> gotta hop
Jun 30 17:12:13 <discombobulate> the touchstone works on the touchpad?
Jun 30 17:12:22 <sugardave> not mine
Jun 30 17:12:33 <sugardave> but that may be because I don't know where to put it
Jun 30 17:12:38 <summatusmentis> discombobulate: if you buy the touchpad touchstone
Jun 30 17:12:47 <discombobulate> oh it's like that?
Jun 30 17:12:49 <summatusmentis> I'm skeptical the puck ones do
Jun 30 17:12:53 <discombobulate> clever bastards
Jun 30 17:12:58 <sugardave> touchSTAND
Jun 30 17:13:01 <sugardave> :D
Jun 30 17:13:05 <summatusmentis> well, the stand thing is a touchstone
Jun 30 17:13:05 <discombobulate> ah!
Jun 30 17:13:07 <summatusmentis> yeah, that
Jun 30 17:13:38 <summatusmentis> man, I held off for a while buying a ts for my pre, but it's awesome
Jun 30 17:13:46 <LoneStar99> anyone able to ipgk an enyo app from eclipse and send to emulator?
Jun 30 17:14:20 <sugardave> LoneStar99: should work unless it's looking for files to exist before running palm-package
Jun 30 17:14:26 <sugardave> just use the command-line tools
Jun 30 17:15:18 <LoneStar99> yeah the command line tools work fine, but my enyo project does not show a mobile "icon" on it so can't run it...
Jun 30 17:15:20 <singmajesty> Yeah, the original TouchStone doesn't work with the TouchPad
Jun 30 17:15:22 <singmajesty> (tried it)
Jun 30 17:15:28 <singmajesty> But the new kind is nice
Jun 30 17:15:44 <discombobulate> oh ok..
Jun 30 17:15:46 <discombobulate> thanks..
Jun 30 17:16:33 <sugardave> LoneStar99: you have to let the plugin make a new project (Mojo) for you, then you can rip out the stuff you don't need (assistants/views/etc) and then it will work
Jun 30 17:16:43 <sugardave> it's been some months since I switched away from Eclipse
Jun 30 17:17:24 <hotdp> Does enyo have lazy loading list? (paging)
Jun 30 17:17:37 <summatusmentis> it's weird to me that people use eclipse for something that isn't java
Jun 30 17:17:59 <sugardave> hotdp: I think there's a sample of it in the SDK examples, but I haven't done one yet
Jun 30 17:18:00 * rwatkins uses emacs for something that isnt lisp.
Jun 30 17:18:04 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  right on thanks!
Jun 30 17:18:32 <halfhalo> I HAVE WON THE INTERNET
Jun 30 17:18:37 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  yeah i only use eclipse for webos dev. komodo edit for everything else
Jun 30 17:18:37 <discombobulate> i drag random things into eclipse sometimes
Jun 30 17:18:42 <discombobulate> i like the way it formats
Jun 30 17:18:43 * sugardave cheers halfhalo
Jun 30 17:18:52 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: I find that even weirder :)
Jun 30 17:19:02 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  lol
Jun 30 17:19:15 <sugardave> LoneStar99: wth aren't you using Komodo Edit for webOS dev, then? :D
Jun 30 17:19:16 <summatusmentis> I've only ever used eclipse for java dev
Jun 30 17:19:36 <halfhalo> sugardave: it needs work, but it freaking WORKS
Jun 30 17:19:42 <sugardave> a
Jun 30 17:19:43 <sugardave> w
Jun 30 17:19:44 <sugardave> e
Jun 30 17:19:45 <sugardave> sum!
Jun 30 17:20:08 <summatusmentis> huh, what? oh
Jun 30 17:20:25 * summatusmentis should turn off that nick hilight
Jun 30 17:20:31 <sugardave> oh
Jun 30 17:20:33 <sugardave> oops
Jun 30 17:20:42 <LoneStar99> sugardave:  i am weird like that, when i first began webos dev in 09 eclipse was well documented and have since used it for  only webos, tried android did not like it
Jun 30 17:20:55 <sugardave> mine only highlights if my name is the first word of a sentence (full name)
Jun 30 17:21:02 <discombobulate> i use eclipse for android too
Jun 30 17:21:14 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Triggered it again, perhaps ironically by using the power button + ringer switch 3 times after freshly doctoring the device.
Jun 30 17:21:36 <summatusmentis> sugardave: yeh, no big, I setup custom ones because I have a long nick, and people abbrev it sometimes
Jun 30 17:21:37 <sugardave> Hendikins: are you trying to explode a Veer?
Jun 30 17:21:43 <halfhalo> https://twitter.com/#!/halfhalo/status/86483670113861632
Jun 30 17:21:50 <rwhitby> Hendikins: confirmed QDL mode?
Jun 30 17:22:06 <Hendikins> rwhitby: Confirmed QDL mode (plug in, lsusb)
Jun 30 17:22:07 <hotdp> damn you sencha touch damn you. HP Let me use Enyo crossplatform please!
Jun 30 17:22:21 * Hendikins cracks it open and does another battery pull.
Jun 30 17:22:36 <rwhitby> Hendikins: can you confirm the entry sequence?
Jun 30 17:23:20 <singmajesty> I use gedit
Jun 30 17:23:23 <singmajesty> vim
Jun 30 17:23:25 <singmajesty> FlashDevelop
Jun 30 17:23:32 <jaf0> geany on ubuntu
Jun 30 17:23:51 <singmajesty> Ubuntu FTW
Jun 30 17:23:57 <PatrickC> yes!
Jun 30 17:24:05 <sugardave> jaf0: I have geany on my Ubuntu box...it is lightweight and adequate
Jun 30 17:24:20 <sugardave> but now I sit most of my time at the HP laptop, so I'm trying out Sublime 2 and e
Jun 30 17:24:34 * jaf0 ignores sugardave.
Jun 30 17:24:41 <singmajesty> The webOS 3.0 emulator supports VirtualBox 4. We added support specifically for Ubuntu 11.04
Jun 30 17:24:42 <sugardave> fine!
Jun 30 17:24:43 <phoque> sugardave, I used to use e on Windows. Liked it a lot!
Jun 30 17:24:53 <jaf0> :P
Jun 30 17:24:54 <singmajesty> ...and other Linux distributions using the newer kernel
Jun 30 17:25:07 <halfhalo> textmate.
Jun 30 17:25:19 <singmajesty> We also have a Linux PDK coming down the pipeline
Jun 30 17:25:35 * PatrickC uses NP++
Jun 30 17:25:38 <singmajesty> Which is great for me -- sort of hard being a PDK guy on dev relations without a working PDK
Jun 30 17:25:49 <rwhitby> singmajesty: orly?
Jun 30 17:25:53 <singmajesty> Yep
Jun 30 17:26:05 <sugardave> finally
Jun 30 17:26:08 <rwhitby> singmajesty: need a beta tester?
Jun 30 17:26:18 <singmajesty> Couple cool things -- these aren't officially official, so don't take these as promises
Jun 30 17:26:36 <singmajesty> However, these are the things I am pushing for / are slated to come soon, I think
Jun 30 17:26:42 <singmajesty> Working Linux PDK
Jun 30 17:26:45 <singmajesty> arm-gcc included
Jun 30 17:26:57 <singmajesty> arm-gcc included in Windows SDK (hopefully)
Jun 30 17:27:14 <singmajesty> No more lib warnings on compile, so no need for the ignore shlib flag
Jun 30 17:27:29 <summatusmentis> singmajesty: if ou have any sway, I'd love to see an ODDK at some point :)
Jun 30 17:27:39 <singmajesty> Yeah, I think it would rock :)
Jun 30 17:27:59 <singmajesty> rwhitby: Can you send me a message?
Jun 30 17:28:41 <phoque> does the SDK Emulator run on a different Enyo-version than the current tablet firmware?
Jun 30 17:29:00 <phoque> there appears to be a bug on the device that I simply cannot reproduce in my emulator
Jun 30 17:29:10 <singmajesty> I don't think it does
Jun 30 17:29:11 <rwhitby> singmajesty: done
Jun 30 17:29:32 <singmajesty> It is a 686 desktop build, instead of the ARM device build, so a few things are different
Jun 30 17:29:44 <singmajesty> WebKit might be slightly different
Jun 30 17:42:52 <LoneStar99> is the following  enyo correct? http://pastebin.com/DZrJtG6L
Jun 30 17:46:18 <jaf0> lonestar:
Jun 30 17:46:29 <jaf0> how bout just an activate: function() { ?
Jun 30 17:47:34 <singmajesty> Ah.
Jun 30 17:47:45 <singmajesty> Feels nice to see Enyo in a pastebin link
Jun 30 17:47:54 <halfhalo> heh
Jun 30 17:47:55 <LoneStar99> jaf0:  activate: function() {  doMyLoad()//LOAD CPICKER } ??
Jun 30 17:47:55 <singmajesty> rwhitby: Sent
Jun 30 17:48:22 <funkatron> nerds
Jun 30 17:48:23 <jaf0> i tink so? *shrinks away a little*
Jun 30 17:48:29 <halfhalo> funkatron: damn straight.
Jun 30 17:48:39 <funkatron> yerp
Jun 30 17:48:43 <jaf0> nerds with pads. =)
Jun 30 17:49:01 <dohtem> whoo! no more NDA
Jun 30 17:49:13 <oilsworkn> yaaay
Jun 30 17:49:18 <rwhitby> hey funkatron
Jun 30 17:49:24 <funkatron> yerro
Jun 30 17:49:34 <rwhitby> funkatron: spaz hd panel with a list. possible?
Jun 30 17:49:56 <funkatron> I guess define "panel" and "list" in that context
Jun 30 17:50:10 <rwhitby> funkatron: spaz hd has space for three vertical panels
Jun 30 17:50:14 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 30 17:50:16 <rwhitby> funkatron: list is a twitter list
Jun 30 17:50:27 <funkatron> Possible? yes.
Jun 30 17:50:37 <rwhitby> how much coding would I need to do?
Jun 30 17:50:41 <funkatron> I will not write code to add more Twitter-specific features, though.
Jun 30 17:50:53 <funkatron> to just display a list? not a ton.
Jun 30 17:51:09 <funkatron> someone is free to do it and send a pull req tho
Jun 30 17:51:14 <dcousineau> new custom column kind rly
Jun 30 17:52:09 <LoneStar99> does the following work with enyo "  $('Hmodel').innerHTML=z;"  debugging code....
Jun 30 17:52:31 <oilsworkn> not unless you're including prototype
Jun 30 17:52:40 <rwhitby> this.$.foo.setContent("hi") ?
Jun 30 17:52:49 <dohtem> ^
Jun 30 17:52:55 <oilsworkn> yep
Jun 30 17:53:01 * rwhitby is an Enyo expert.
Jun 30 17:53:02 <oilsworkn> assuming foo is the name of your component
Jun 30 17:53:04 <funkatron> rwhitby: what dcousineau said. really not a ton of work
Jun 30 17:53:04 <dohtem> or this.log("");
Jun 30 17:53:09 <oilsworkn> this.log++
Jun 30 17:53:35 <rwhitby> (where "expert" = "able to discern which bits of oil's code are good")
Jun 30 17:53:41 <dcousineau> ;)
Jun 30 17:53:43 <dohtem> haha
Jun 30 17:54:29 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: include prototype in "depends.js" file you mean right?
Jun 30 17:54:55 <funkatron> LoneStar99: yeah. I wouldn't, but yeah
Jun 30 17:55:25 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:   $('Hmodel').innerHTML=z; --> this.$.Hmodel.setContent(z)  ??
Jun 30 17:55:36 <fxspec06> just sent in #wildnpoker for app review. so tell me guys, what do I need to know to port this thing to the TP? :D
Jun 30 17:55:48 <jaf0> lonestar setHtml?
Jun 30 17:55:48 <dcousineau> everything.
Jun 30 17:56:02 <rwhitby> fxspec06: uiRevision:2 is the quickest way :)
Jun 30 17:56:03 <fxspec06> dcousineau: lol
Jun 30 17:56:16 <dohtem> Chrome's console & right click -> inspect element features are lifesavers
Jun 30 17:56:23 <LoneStar99> jaf0:  this.$.Hmodel.setHTML(z) ??
Jun 30 17:56:41 <jaf0> more context?
Jun 30 17:56:49 <jaf0> what kind of kind
Jun 30 17:57:04 <fxspec06> thanks ron (it is ron, right? i don't want to keep calling you rod ;)) i will take a look
Jun 30 17:57:13 <dohtem> lol
Jun 30 17:58:19 <Popple3> hey guys
Jun 30 17:59:49 <Popple3> I know I'm a bit late, but wahey! NDA is lifted! :D
Jun 30 18:00:55 <oilsworkn> LoneStar99: if your component is named Hmodel, then yes
Jun 30 18:03:25 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn: ok thanks
Jun 30 18:03:59 <oilsworkn> fxspec06: rwhitby is definitely ron
Jun 30 18:04:19 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: you mean rob
Jun 30 18:04:31 <PatrickC> Popple3: yeah!!
Jun 30 18:04:35 <oilsworkn> rickey?
Jun 30 18:04:45 <Popple3> rwhitby: I thought it was roy? O_O
Jun 30 18:04:49 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 30 18:04:54 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 18:04:57 <rwhitby> raymond?
Jun 30 18:05:07 <oilsworkn> richard
Jun 30 18:05:08 <fxspec06> lmao.
Jun 30 18:05:13 <oilsworkn> roger
Jun 30 18:05:24 <rwhitby> ralph
Jun 30 18:06:10 <oilsworkn> ive run out of r names
Jun 30 18:06:12 <LoneStar99> robert...
Jun 30 18:06:18 <RagingMind> Raphael
Jun 30 18:06:19 <LoneStar99> reggie
Jun 30 18:06:21 <oilsworkn> oh, randy
Jun 30 18:06:27 <oilsworkn> definitely randy
Jun 30 18:06:28 <Popple3> rocky
Jun 30 18:06:32 <rwhitby> reginald
Jun 30 18:06:46 <Loudergood> red
Jun 30 18:06:47 <Popple3> Jim
Jun 30 18:06:52 <Popple3> no... wait....
Jun 30 18:06:52 <RagingMind> Rupert
Jun 30 18:07:08 <PatrickC> its whitnye
Jun 30 18:07:12 <PatrickC> whitney*
Jun 30 18:07:13 <rwhitby> randolph
Jun 30 18:07:22 <oilsworkn> now people are just confused
Jun 30 18:07:26 <dohtem> Romeo!
Jun 30 18:07:34 <dohtem> Ronaldo!
Jun 30 18:07:35 <Popple3> Roland
Jun 30 18:07:36 <halfhalo> oilsworkn: how is that different than before
Jun 30 18:07:43 <LoneStar99> funkatron:  what would happen if I include prototype?
Jun 30 18:07:56 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Implosion
Jun 30 18:07:59 <fxspec06> i see so the uiRevision makes it fullscreen. that's easy
Jun 30 18:08:00 <RagingMind> Randolph Whitney?
Jun 30 18:08:00 <oilsworkn> halfhalo: its not
Jun 30 18:08:02 <funkatron> LoneStar99: well, nothing in particular, but I'd probably recommend not including things you don't need.
Jun 30 18:08:05 <Popple3> LoneStar99: The whole world
Jun 30 18:08:08 <fxspec06> i want to make HD app
Jun 30 18:08:09 <fxspec06> =)
Jun 30 18:08:12 <LoneStar99> right on
Jun 30 18:08:19 <oilsworkn> hd, psh
Jun 30 18:08:33 <rwhitby> you should make a 1080p app
Jun 30 18:08:33 <fxspec06> hey, at least i'd learn how to do enyo then.
Jun 30 18:08:39 <summatusmentis> the HD moniker is weird to me
Jun 30 18:08:44 <rwhitby> hd apps are so last week
Jun 30 18:08:49 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 30 18:08:59 <fxspec06> alright so you suggest i work on a new project?
Jun 30 18:09:02 <dohtem> can you combine a regular app with exhibition mode for the Touchpad?
Jun 30 18:09:02 <halfhalo> you should make a 3d holographic app.  :p
Jun 30 18:09:08 <Popple3> If TouchPad apps are HD, then desktop apps must be like Super Ultra HD
Jun 30 18:09:08 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: "HD" for apps is a term used by those who are iOS sheep
Jun 30 18:09:14 <funkatron> what's a regular app
Jun 30 18:09:20 <funkatron> rwhitby: I know that's what I am
Jun 30 18:09:23 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 30 18:09:24 <dohtem> funkatron: an app you launch
Jun 30 18:09:27 <funkatron> and adora, when she called it that
Jun 30 18:09:39 <rwhitby> funkatron: well, she uses iOS for a camera
Jun 30 18:09:51 <summatusmentis> she... does?
Jun 30 18:09:54 <funkatron> right, because the camera doesn't suck
Jun 30 18:10:04 <rwhitby> it's HD?
Jun 30 18:10:09 <PuffTheMagic> there will be no wIRC HD
Jun 30 18:10:12 <funkatron> super HD
Jun 30 18:10:21 <rwhitby> wIRC hD
Jun 30 18:10:22 <dohtem> qHD
Jun 30 18:10:29 <PuffTheMagic> but there will be "wIRC 1010p"
Jun 30 18:10:33 <RagingMind> I like Super wIRC
Jun 30 18:10:35 <PuffTheMagic> 1080
Jun 30 18:10:43 <PuffTheMagic> :/ finger fail
Jun 30 18:10:56 * summatusmentis writes a non-touchpad app called wReference LD
Jun 30 18:10:58 <dcousineau> I wanted SpazXVGA
Jun 30 18:10:58 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 18:11:00 <dohtem> wIRC "base are belong to us" edition
Jun 30 18:11:02 <rwhitby> I'm tempted to release PHD HD
Jun 30 18:11:05 <dcousineau> But funkatron just hit me and called me  names
Jun 30 18:11:11 <funkatron> I did!
Jun 30 18:11:15 <Popple3> rwhitby: MOAR MONIES :P
Jun 30 18:11:30 <rwhitby> Popple3: still saving to go boating with oilsworkn
Jun 30 18:11:34 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: every time you call it PHD I get confused
Jun 30 18:11:59 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: you don't need a PhD ...
Jun 30 18:12:07 <dohtem> oilsworkn: here's that PalmPad guy again - https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15641 :)
Jun 30 18:12:09 * oilsworkn only has enough money for "floaties" atm
Jun 30 18:12:28 <LoneStar99> here is code that i am trying to port over to enyo but no go so far --> http://pastebin.com/UKVTMf82
Jun 30 18:12:28 <dohtem> floaties? is that poop that doesnt sink?
Jun 30 18:12:32 <RagingMind> floating oil?
Jun 30 18:12:32 * rwhitby bought a couple of solar panels with PHD monies
Jun 30 18:12:43 <oilsworkn> yeah, i float pretty good
Jun 30 18:12:48 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: well, so, here's a deal. When I finish grad school, can I have a promo code for PHD?
Jun 30 18:13:10 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: if you have a PhD you don't need a promo code for PHD
Jun 30 18:13:11 <oilsworkn> git for floaties worked perfectly:
Jun 30 18:13:12 <oilsworkn> http://www.marshalmaguire.com/images/Floaties.jpg
Jun 30 18:13:15 <RagingMind> oilsworkn, just don't float in the gulf, they might try to disperse you
Jun 30 18:13:16 <oilsworkn> gis*
Jun 30 18:13:39 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: heh, touche, _fine_ :-P
Jun 30 18:13:41 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: that gym membership has paid off
Jun 30 18:13:59 <rwhitby> you're looking much younger
Jun 30 18:14:02 <oilsworkn> 3lol
Jun 30 18:14:09 <oilsworkn> thats not a pic of me
Jun 30 18:14:11 <funkatron> nice
Jun 30 18:14:16 <oilsworkn> thats tibfib
Jun 30 18:14:30 <fxspec06> what is this PHD you guys speak of
Jun 30 18:15:19 <rwhitby> Preware Homebrew Documentation. Top rated app in the webOS app catalog.
Jun 30 18:15:31 <funkatron> hey I gave you $70!
Jun 30 18:15:33 <PatrickC> !! :D
Jun 30 18:15:39 <summatusmentis> Doctor of Philo... oh, yeah, that.
Jun 30 18:15:42 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 30 18:15:53 <fxspec06> oh yeahhh
Jun 30 18:16:00 <rwhitby> funkatron: that went to someone's touchpad, not my solar panels
Jun 30 18:16:06 <funkatron> oh nice
Jun 30 18:16:07 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 30 18:16:27 <fxspec06> i said i was gonna donate when i got some moneys, well i'll have an app in the cat
Jun 30 18:16:40 <fxspec06> so i'll be getting my PHD soon
Jun 30 18:17:47 <fxspec06> maybe i'll get ten PHD's!!!!!!
Jun 30 18:17:55 <dohtem> LoneStar99: This is from memory, I haven't run it yet - http://pastebin.com/DyueXkZp
Jun 30 18:18:25 <dohtem> not sure why you pass v and then return it unmodifed
Jun 30 18:19:17 <Popple3> I have about 5-6 years before I get my PhD
Jun 30 18:19:23 <Popple3> :P
Jun 30 18:19:56 <summatusmentis> Popple3: you're a grad student?
Jun 30 18:20:02 <summatusmentis> I didn't know that
Jun 30 18:20:03 <summatusmentis> neat
Jun 30 18:20:05 <fxspec06> LoneStar99: thanks for that site, remind me to clean up my bookmarks later
Jun 30 18:20:29 <Popple3> Going into my 4th year of an Honours Degree in September
Jun 30 18:20:37 <Popple3> today was my last day of work placement
Jun 30 18:20:38 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  which site?
Jun 30 18:20:47 <fxspec06> i'll be going to community college for CSI in fall
Jun 30 18:20:57 <fxspec06> pastebin
Jun 30 18:21:11 * oilsworkn sees CSI, can only think "YEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH"
Jun 30 18:21:17 <LoneStar99> dohtem:  you using the color picker code in your enyo app?
Jun 30 18:21:32 <dohtem> nope
Jun 30 18:21:47 <dohtem> ah, just saw the first line.  you do use v
Jun 30 18:21:53 <discombobulate> hrm
Jun 30 18:22:05 <LoneStar99> dohtem:  oh ok
Jun 30 18:22:07 <summatusmentis> Popple3: oh, neat
Jun 30 18:22:28 <dohtem> http://www.macworld.com/article/160858/2011/06/hp_touchpad_first_look.html -- Macworld's Review :)
Jun 30 18:22:43 <summatusmentis> oh gee, I wonder how this'll turn out
Jun 30 18:22:55 <Popple3> summatusmentis: Yeah, been working for Ericsson for the last 6 months (and staying for the next 2 as well), final year next year, then onto my Masters and beyond
Jun 30 18:23:59 <summatusmentis> Popple3: I just graduated, I'll start a CS PhD program in the fall
Jun 30 18:24:04 <summatusmentis> which is why I ask
Jun 30 18:25:13 <Popple3> summatusmentis: cool. Good luck with it
Jun 30 18:26:47 <dtzWill> anyone know how to make a bt keyboard work with pdk apps on webos 3.0? :)
Jun 30 18:27:00 <Flashpass> that macworld article is actually realyl fair
Jun 30 18:27:13 <dtzWill> does it send sdl events?
Jun 30 18:27:33 <rwhitby> singmajesty: does the PDL function to request the keyboard actually work?
Jun 30 18:27:50 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: dtzWill needs it to work for our X windows port
Jun 30 18:28:06 <dohtem> Flashpass: yeah
Jun 30 18:29:03 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: I assume that wasn't directed at me
Jun 30 18:29:20 <summatusmentis> Popple3: thanks :)
Jun 30 18:29:43 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: yeah, sorry, tabcomplete fail
Jun 30 18:29:51 <rwhitby> singmajesty: dtzWill needs it to work for our X windows port
Jun 30 18:29:53 <summatusmentis> no worries, just clarifying
Jun 30 18:32:37 <oilsworkn> danget ron, always confusing people
Jun 30 18:36:26 <singmajesty> rwhitby: I believe it should
Jun 30 18:36:31 <singmajesty> PDL_ShowVirtualKeyboard?
Jun 30 18:37:28 <PatrickC> I see tons of iPad 2 commercial, and no TouchPad... :/
Jun 30 18:37:37 <singmajesty> rwhitby: You should be able to use the function to show and hide the virtual keyboard, however, there is a bug on the first production build which may cause some tearing, hiding the top portion of a PDK application and revealing the background behind it
Jun 30 18:37:55 <singmajesty> It's an issue we are aware of that should be resolved in an upcoming OTA, soon
Jun 30 18:37:57 <rwhitby> singmajesty: can you sync up with dtzWill on that? he couldn't get it to work.
Jun 30 18:37:58 <summatusmentis> is Touch To Share accessible through some API? or is that an internal webOS thing right now?
Jun 30 18:37:59 <PatrickC> singmajesty: is there a vkb on the pre3?
Jun 30 18:38:13 <dtzWill> libpdl only has PDL_SetKeyboadState atm? and yes the bug you describe is what i'm seeing.
Jun 30 18:38:26 <singmajesty> PatrickC: I haven't used one on the Pre3, if it is present
Jun 30 18:38:37 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 30 18:38:50 <singmajesty> dtzWill: That's the one. Sorry I remembered the name wrong :)
Jun 30 18:39:02 <singmajesty> dtzWill: So it works, but you are getting that tearing bug?
Jun 30 18:39:08 <oilsworkn> just announce the pre3 is coming to sprint and make everyone happy already :)
Jun 30 18:39:36 <singmajesty> The really tough part of "make things right" is Sprint
Jun 30 18:39:37 <dtzWill> singmajesty: np, if I read the docs right it's been changed to what you said :)
Jun 30 18:39:39 * rwhitby tweets "I just heard @DontBlameOil say that the Pre 3 is coming to Sprint"
Jun 30 18:39:43 <fxspec06> lil wayne and dj whitey have entered the room!
Jun 30 18:40:00 * g4lt just applied to be a sprint csr :/
Jun 30 18:40:02 <oilsworkn> haha cause im an authority on that subject and all
Jun 30 18:40:09 * summatusmentis watches rwhitby's twitter feed, ready to RT
Jun 30 18:40:11 <oilsworkn> ill just call up ruby and tell him to make it happen
Jun 30 18:40:26 <dtzWill> singmajesty: yes gettnig the tearing bug. although it mostly seems like a it moves my app strangely by a fixed offset, not what i'd normally call tearing.
Jun 30 18:40:30 <singmajesty> PDL_SetKeyboardState looks right. Looking at PDL.h right now
Jun 30 18:40:31 <rwhitby> "Ruby, make it so."
Jun 30 18:40:45 <singmajesty> "Engage."
Jun 30 18:41:09 <rwhitby> well, impostah now works on the TouchPad, so I'm off to bed.
Jun 30 18:41:11 <dtzWill> whatever we call it, yes you described exactly what i'm seeing. bummer.
Jun 30 18:41:21 <dtzWill> thanks for the response/information/confirmation :).
Jun 30 18:41:28 <singmajesty> dtzWill: Let me know if there is anything we can do in the PDK to make your work easier
Jun 30 18:41:52 <fxspec06> cool stuff, ron. what time is it in AU ?
Jun 30 18:41:56 <rwhitby> singmajesty: you should send that file to dtzWill too
Jun 30 18:41:59 <oilsworkn> hahaha
Jun 30 18:42:10 <oilsworkn> fxspec06: really, his name is actually rod
Jun 30 18:42:17 <fxspec06> no no no is it
Jun 30 18:42:18 <singmajesty> We probably can't release an official x server (or can we?) but I want to help make the process as easy as possible
Jun 30 18:42:20 <PatrickC> ron haha
Jun 30 18:42:23 <fxspec06> i can't go through this again
Jun 30 18:42:27 <oilsworkn> yeah, it is
Jun 30 18:42:30 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: yes, Rod Whitby
Jun 30 18:42:36 <summatusmentis> they were messing with you earlier
Jun 30 18:42:39 <PatrickC> its rod whitby lol
Jun 30 18:42:41 <dtzWill> singmajesty: a /dev/tty in the jail/giving us a controlling terminal would be very helpful
Jun 30 18:42:50 <oilsworkn> it was good fun too
Jun 30 18:43:07 <rwhitby> fxspec06: 4:10am
Jun 30 18:43:07 <fxspec06> i called him wrong name when they released 2.1 dr. for pre 2
Jun 30 18:43:16 <fxspec06> lol it was
Jun 30 18:43:32 <dtzWill> singmajesty: thank you for the offer, i'll let you know.  I'd imagine the keyboard fix is in the pipes so I won't bother you about that :)
Jun 30 18:43:49 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: you know enyo/3.0 sdk pretty well, is there Touch To Share in there somewhere?
Jun 30 18:43:54 <singmajesty> dtzWill: Could you send me an email at joshua.granick _at_ palm.com?
Jun 30 18:44:02 <fxspec06> i gotta write that down. r o d. so hard to remember
Jun 30 18:44:05 <singmajesty> dtzWill: I'll send you a Linux PDK build
Jun 30 18:44:10 <oilsworkn> summatusmentis: not that ive seen
Jun 30 18:44:23 <dtzWill> singmajesty: yes and yes please! I've just been using modified version of the mac one :)
Jun 30 18:44:31 <summatusmentis> guh, ok
Jun 30 18:44:39 <oilsworkn> haha, singmajesty must have gotten spam from the last time? learned to _at_ it?
Jun 30 18:44:45 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: thanks, I guess I'll look into finding something hacky in my spare time
Jun 30 18:44:55 <summatusmentis> that seems like something that has a lot of potential
Jun 30 18:45:03 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 30 18:45:10 <oilsworkn> but there isn't even any phones out which use it yet
Jun 30 18:45:14 <singmajesty> No, but some people made me nervous :)
Jun 30 18:45:23 <singmajesty> No spam yet, but don't want to bring down the hammer, either
Jun 30 18:45:27 <oilsworkn> (afaik, the veer is getting an update for tts support?)
Jun 30 18:45:34 <summatusmentis> yes, I've heard that
Jun 30 18:45:41 <singmajesty> Of course, any "respectable" spam software probably understands _at_ pretty well
Jun 30 18:45:59 <PatrickC> bye chuqui
Jun 30 18:46:04 <summatusmentis> it'd be nice for an API to open up over that *cough* singmajesty *cough*
Jun 30 18:46:05 <oilsworkn> singmajesty: yeah
Jun 30 18:47:30 <summatusmentis> maybe once I get my hands on a TP, I'll look into how it's done
Jun 30 18:48:20 <rwhitby> if you wait 12h I'll be able to tell you
Jun 30 18:48:23 <oilsworkn> im hoping they allow devs to get their hands on it
Jun 30 18:48:54 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: well, I'm waiting longer than that for a TP, so, if you wanted to document it, that'd be neat
Jun 30 18:49:17 * rwhitby goes to get some sleep
Jun 30 18:49:27 <dtzWill> rwhitby: sleep well :)
Jun 30 18:49:30 <summatusmentis> night night
Jun 30 18:49:40 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: yeah, that'd be neat
Jun 30 18:50:12 <PatrickC> night rod
Jun 30 18:50:32 <summatusmentis> quite frankly, I'd like to see it for much more than just the web browser, I was thinking idly today about being able to transfer your "currently playing" music playlist between devices
Jun 30 18:51:20 <fxspec06> night night
Jun 30 18:51:44 <leiru> oil: ?
Jun 30 18:52:11 <oilsworkn> aye?
Jun 30 18:52:17 <dtzWill> singmajesty: sorry for the direct ping, but do you know if it's possible to use bt keyboard with pdk apps? (some API i'm missing, or maybe the OS just handles it and sends SDL events like the keyboard on other devices?)
Jun 30 18:52:26 <fxspec06> summatusmentis: should be able to do that from phone to tablet to PC to car to phone etc etc...
Jun 30 18:52:46 <fxspec06> automatically if it's playing
Jun 30 18:53:26 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: that's what I was thinking, it'd be neat to be able switch from listening to music over my TP speakers -> tts -> listening on my pre over headphones and walk away
Jun 30 18:53:31 <leiru> oilsworkn: whats the palm-package command for hello app?
Jun 30 18:53:40 <oilsworkn> umm
Jun 30 18:53:54 <oilsworkn> you gotta include all the pieces
Jun 30 18:54:02 <oilsworkn> (i dont have anything to do with hello, so im not entirely sure)
Jun 30 18:54:22 <oilsworkn> so like normally you just do palm-package appfolder
Jun 30 18:54:41 <oilsworkn> for it you gotta do palm-package packageFolder appFolder serviceFolder
Jun 30 18:54:43 <oilsworkn> or something like that
Jun 30 18:54:58 <oilsworkn> im not sure what the names are
Jun 30 18:55:23 <fxspec06> i really needa get me one of them touchpad thingys so i can make apps for it. i don't wanna be limited to just the pre 2
Jun 30 18:55:58 <oilsworkn> browser+emu
Jun 30 18:56:20 <fxspec06> emulator is fine and dandy but just not the same as having in-hand
Jun 30 18:56:30 <oilsworkn> right
Jun 30 18:56:57 <summatusmentis> did you guys see the rumored 16gb->32gb preorder upgrade?
Jun 30 18:57:00 <summatusmentis> for the TP
Jun 30 18:57:29 <fxspec06> yeah i did
Jun 30 18:57:39 <summatusmentis> it'd be neat if that carries over :)
Jun 30 18:57:44 <fxspec06> i wonder if that will include legacy discount & dev discount as well
Jun 30 18:57:45 <summatusmentis> to non-preorder orders
Jun 30 18:57:55 <Loudergood> and I just got an app catalog update on my pre2..
Jun 30 18:57:59 <fxspec06> can you use dev discount & legacy discount together?
Jun 30 18:58:01 <summatusmentis> well, legacy discount only applies to 32gb
Jun 30 18:58:03 <codeslaw> ENYO
Jun 30 18:58:06 <codeslaw> kinds
Jun 30 18:58:16 <codeslaw> stuff
Jun 30 18:58:25 <summatusmentis> on the forums, chuq suggested that you ought to be able to, because all you need for legacy is the UPC/receipt
Jun 30 18:58:59 <fxspec06> because that would make it a hell of a lot easier to afford it
Jun 30 18:59:26 <summatusmentis> indeed, I'm hoping it does
Jun 30 18:59:57 <summatusmentis> I wish they'd announce the dev pricing already
Jun 30 18:59:58 <fxspec06> Loudergood: vzw pre2?
Jun 30 19:00:07 <Loudergood> yup
Jun 30 19:00:17 <LoneStar99> when loading app in emulator it produces the following error --> error: not allowed to load local resource: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/HP%20webOS/SDK/share/refcode/webos-framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Jun 30 19:00:19 <cwayne> summatusmentis: YUP
Jun 30 19:00:22 <fxspec06> i'm still waiting for 2.1 update! arrrr
Jun 30 19:01:03 <PatrickC> fxspec06: meta-doctor?
Jun 30 19:01:39 <fxspec06> i could. i just don't feel like restoring everything
Jun 30 19:02:01 <PatrickC> restoring everything
Jun 30 19:02:02 <PatrickC> ?
Jun 30 19:02:08 <Loudergood> use save/restore and preware saved package list
Jun 30 19:02:26 <PatrickC> and backup your contacts to your email
Jun 30 19:02:37 <PatrickC> boom! everything is ready :)
Jun 30 19:02:49 <fxspec06> lol i know, but the update is around the corner anyways
Jun 30 19:03:01 <fxspec06> i already made a pop workaround by setting up a gmail account
Jun 30 19:03:05 <PatrickC> not for pre+/-
Jun 30 19:03:15 <fxspec06> i only want 2.1 for wifi media sync and MPR promo codes
Jun 30 19:03:36 <fxspec06> that can wait for "the coming months"
Jun 30 19:04:00 <PatrickC> the Pre+/- will never get 2.1 officially
Jun 30 19:04:23 <fxspec06> yeah my pre+ is meta'd to 2.1
Jun 30 19:05:00 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 19:05:53 <PatrickC> then what are you waiting for? a new device?
Jun 30 19:06:09 <fxspec06> no, just want to get my pop email back
Jun 30 19:06:25 <fxspec06> gmail pulls pop accounts every 15 min
Jun 30 19:06:31 <fxspec06> webos does every 5
Jun 30 19:06:47 <PatrickC> webos does instantly for me
Jun 30 19:07:09 <fxspec06> so does anyone know if the 3.0 SDK is going to be released publicly soon? i haven't got yet b/c i wanted to learn mojo and JS, now that my game is done i wanna learn enyo
Jun 30 19:07:38 <PatrickC> it will be out soon
Jun 30 19:07:42 <summatusmentis> I assume tomorrow, or shortly after, but that's not based on anything in particular
Jun 30 19:07:50 <fxspec06> PatrickC: it does for imap accounts, that's push. pop needs to poll on a timer
Jun 30 19:08:47 <PatrickC> arrrrrg
Jun 30 19:08:52 <PatrickC> brb
Jun 30 19:08:52 <fxspec06> and google crippled pop forwarding, i needed to write a script that sends an email to my @gmail in order to get it to check every 15 mins
Jun 30 19:08:54 <PatrickC> reboot
Jun 30 19:09:23 <summatusmentis> can I ask why you're using pop?
Jun 30 19:10:16 <fxspec06> it's an old charter email.
Jun 30 19:10:37 <fxspec06> charter communications - from massachusettes
Jun 30 19:10:53 <summatusmentis> through gmail?
Jun 30 19:11:22 <fxspec06> yeah only because 2.0.1 shows black boxes in text emails unless i tap it at the right moment
Jun 30 19:11:23 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 30 19:11:54 <rwatkins> IMAP FTW!
Jun 30 19:12:00 <fxspec06> once 2.1 comes i'll be fine, and i should be able to use BOTH
Jun 30 19:12:05 <fxspec06> THEN i'll make the transfer.
Jun 30 19:12:27 <fxspec06> that way i'll have pop for stupid stuff, and imap for important stuff
Jun 30 19:12:48 <summatusmentis> doesn't.... 2.0 have imap?
Jun 30 19:13:23 <fxspec06> yeah but my gmail is so cluttered i can't be bothered with it.
Jun 30 19:13:29 <summatusmentis> oh, ok
Jun 30 19:13:46 <fxspec06> strange scenario
Jun 30 19:21:05 <bubby323> Its nice when you dont have to worry about NDA.
Jun 30 19:21:41 <Flashpass> yeah, generally I don't know where the line is drawn with it
Jun 30 19:21:47 <Flashpass> so i'm super cautious
Jun 30 19:21:57 <bubby323> Same here.
Jun 30 19:22:27 <bubby323> I'm just waiting for the update on my touchpad then were set.
Jun 30 19:22:54 <Flashpass> ah, you have a non-prod build then?
Jun 30 19:23:23 <bubby323> Yeah, all the developers that have them do.
Jun 30 19:23:34 <bubby323> I want prod.
Jun 30 19:24:00 <dohtem> bubby323: Do you have to return it?
Jun 30 19:24:32 <bubby323> I dont see them sending a return box to everyone anytime soon.
Jun 30 19:24:46 <PatrickC> oh, dev discount?
Jun 30 19:25:12 <bubby323> No it was free.
Jun 30 19:25:28 <PatrickC> show us what you've got?
Jun 30 19:25:32 <PatrickC> halfhalo broke my browser
Jun 30 19:25:43 <halfhalo> damn straight
Jun 30 19:25:50 <Flashpass> lol
Jun 30 19:25:53 <PatrickC> http://www.zumodrive.com/share/dpk0OGUwYz
Jun 30 19:26:09 <Flashpass> bubby323: have you heard anything about when the prod build will be pushed out?
Jun 30 19:26:20 <rwatkins> I assume they lifted the SDK NDA, not the device NDA.
Jun 30 19:26:28 <bubby323> I would assume today.
Jun 30 19:26:29 <PatrickC> Flashpass: tomorrow probably
Jun 30 19:26:37 <halfhalo> yeah, device nda is still in effect
Jun 30 19:26:40 <bubby323> Chuq posted soon but notnyet.
Jun 30 19:26:49 <PatrickC> chuqui said that it wouldn't be today
Jun 30 19:26:52 <PatrickC> device NDA?
Jun 30 19:26:53 <bubby323> Oh is it? Oopa
Jun 30 19:26:55 <bubby323> oops
Jun 30 19:27:22 <PatrickC> halfhalo: fix my browser
Jun 30 19:27:26 <bubby323> Ll
Jun 30 19:27:30 <Flashpass> haha, shouldn't have prodded him about it
Jun 30 19:27:31 <bubby323> Lol
Jun 30 19:27:32 <rwatkins> I would also assume the device NDA expires on public release of the device.  IE tomorrow.
Jun 30 19:27:45 <bubby323> Thats right I think.
Jun 30 19:27:54 <bubby323> Sorry then.
Jun 30 19:28:05 <bubby323> So who has an app?
Jun 30 19:28:12 * PatrickC does!
Jun 30 19:28:21 <bubby323> Awesome
Jun 30 19:28:27 <bubby323> Whats it called?
Jun 30 19:28:57 <PatrickC> WJGM Radio, Your Radio, and YMP Pro
Jun 30 19:29:07 * rwatkins does.
Jun 30 19:29:20 <rwatkins> Paper Mache - Instapaper for TouchPad - https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=net.ryanwatkins.app.papermache
Jun 30 19:29:23 <bubby323> Radio! Nice
Jun 30 19:29:28 <PatrickC> rwatkins doesn't seem excited :)
Jun 30 19:29:34 <bubby323> Kiss 103.5 by chance?
Jun 30 19:29:38 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 30 19:29:53 <PatrickC> West Jacksonville Gospel Music :)
Jun 30 19:29:56 <PatrickC> Christian
Jun 30 19:30:03 <bubby323> Nice
Jun 30 19:30:18 <bubby323> David crowder is beast with audiophile
Jun 30 19:30:23 <bubby323> Lol
Jun 30 19:30:26 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 19:30:39 <bubby323> Nice rwatkins
Jun 30 19:30:41 <PatrickC> Southern Gospel, not CCM :)
Jun 30 19:30:43 <rwatkins> hm?
Jun 30 19:30:47 <Flashpass> rwatkins: cool app
Jun 30 19:30:59 <rwatkins> I dont really listen to the radio, NYC and its subways ...
Jun 30 19:31:12 <rwatkins> Flashpass, bubby323: thx
Jun 30 19:31:27 <bubby323> Sure thing. :]
Jun 30 19:31:34 <PatrickC> crap.. even Precentral News doesn't load :'(
Jun 30 19:31:43 <rwatkins> but then automated offline sync for Instapaper then does come in handy with those subways.  :)
Jun 30 19:32:23 <fxspec06> i have an app!! not for TP. well
Jun 30 19:32:53 <fxspec06> i will put ui----:2 in so it will scale correctly
Jun 30 19:33:08 <PatrickC> does it look good at full scale?
Jun 30 19:33:22 <fxspec06> yeah, the IMGUR pics look great when i zoom in
Jun 30 19:33:26 <fxspec06> it should
Jun 30 19:33:33 <PatrickC> what app?
Jun 30 19:33:43 <fxspec06> it's not released yet.
Jun 30 19:33:46 <fxspec06> h.o
Jun 30 19:34:23 <bubby323> You still need back buttons
Jun 30 19:34:33 <bubby323> I want wIrc for toucjpad.
Jun 30 19:34:37 <bubby323> touchpad
Jun 30 19:35:23 <PatrickC> its in the works
Jun 30 19:35:50 <fxspec06> http://imgur.com/a/DfN4p#0rB0j
Jun 30 19:36:25 <fxspec06> cardflip css transitions, icons bounce in the menu, looks great but brings the pre+ to its knees
Jun 30 19:36:26 * PatrickC can't see it
Jun 30 19:36:53 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/0rB0j.jpg
Jun 30 19:37:11 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/RflLi.jpg
Jun 30 19:37:14 <rwatkins> I want Lumberjack so I can debug my own apps.  :)
Jun 30 19:37:25 <PatrickC> that worked :)
Jun 30 19:37:28 <PatrickC> browsers broken
Jun 30 19:37:36 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/yVqzI.jpg
Jun 30 19:37:49 <PatrickC> rwatkins: preware?
Jun 30 19:37:51 <sugardave> I have some Lumberjack, looking good
Jun 30 19:37:53 <fxspec06> it tracks tons of stats and stores in SQL db
Jun 30 19:38:01 <fxspec06> sounds, etc
Jun 30 19:38:14 <rwatkins> sugardave: workin on the TP?
Jun 30 19:39:02 <sugardave> rwatkins: yep, it's an early one...I think Rod tweeted the location of their current Enyo projects
Jun 30 19:39:25 <PatrickC> git.webos-internals.org/enyo iirc
Jun 30 19:39:25 * rwatkins is hesitant on installing .. not wanting to possibly mess with a device he cant currently restore.
Jun 30 19:39:46 <rwatkins> sugardave: ya, u built from there and sideloaded?
Jun 30 19:40:06 <sugardave> actually, oil sent me a link to an ipk and I used Mojo Preware to install it :D
Jun 30 19:40:12 <singmajesty> dtzWill: I apologize for the delay
Jun 30 19:40:26 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 30 19:40:44 <singmajesty> dtzWill: I am hoping that the OS handles bluetooth devices, so that it registers normally as a keyboard by the time it hits a PDK application
Jun 30 19:41:03 <singmajesty> dtzWill: I am not entirely sure, however, so I will need to pick up a keyboard soon and test it myself
Jun 30 19:41:04 <rwatkins> i think i might wait till i have a second device or atleast a restore util before really messing w/ it.
Jun 30 19:41:25 <rwatkins> which will hopefully be tomorrow morn. :)
Jun 30 19:41:32 <sugardave> woo!
Jun 30 19:41:52 * PatrickC has to wait for dev discount
Jun 30 19:42:08 * halfhalo will be most likely picking up a 3G model later on.
Jun 30 19:43:05 * PatrickC doesn't want to pay for 3G when he has a 3G hotspot with him all the time
Jun 30 19:43:15 <rwatkins> hm.  maybe a unlocked 3G model .. be able to "borrow" my SIM from my phone as necessary ..
Jun 30 19:43:23 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 30 19:44:07 <fxspec06> *trying to see if he remembers IRC commands
Jun 30 19:44:20 <PatrickC> halfhalo-car: you broked my browser good
Jun 30 19:44:49 <sugardave> I want a world tablet
Jun 30 19:47:15 <dtzWill> singmajesty: tyvm for the response. okay, here's hoping that's how it works. thanks! :)
Jun 30 19:47:38 * PatrickC gets phone ready to visit the doctor
Jun 30 19:47:44 * fxspec06 wants HP to give touchypad
Jun 30 19:48:15 <Flashpass> sugardave: the wifi-only is a world tablet lol
Jun 30 19:48:17 <summatusmentis> yeah, good luck with that :)
Jun 30 19:54:01 <oil> yeah, lumbo enyo partially works
Jun 30 19:57:08 <PatrickC> backing up 270MB of pictures...
Jun 30 19:58:23 <rwatkins> hm, maybe I'll be going out tonight.  http://www.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-launch-party-nick-cannon-tonight-new-york-city
Jun 30 19:58:46 <PatrickC> you live near NYC?
Jun 30 19:59:04 <funkatron> NICK CANNON IS HILARIOUS
Jun 30 19:59:08 <rwatkins> live in Brooklyn, work in Manhattan.  so yes.
Jun 30 19:59:50 <funkatron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xfMgHTMOlY
Jun 30 20:00:56 <PatrickC> HP TouchPad 16GB Delayed, Hello Free 32GB Upgrade? [Rumor] @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/hp-touchpad-16gb-delayed-hello-free-32gb-upgrade-rumor/
Jun 30 20:00:59 <PatrickC> umm.. ok?
Jun 30 20:01:49 <dcousineau> funkatron: you have such mild opinions
Jun 30 20:02:03 <rwatkins> that would suck alot given that the early user discount only applies to the 32GB version.
Jun 30 20:02:04 <funkatron> I was actually thinking of that video
Jun 30 20:02:04 <PatrickC> bbl doctor time
Jun 30 20:02:15 <funkatron> oooh, the doc
Jun 30 20:07:20 * fxspec06 yawn
Jun 30 20:30:01 <codeslaw> is there any word on the developer pricing for the touchpad yet?
Jun 30 20:30:12 <Popple3> codeslaw: Tomorrow
Jun 30 20:31:26 <codeslaw> gah
Jun 30 20:31:52 * halfhalo yawns
Jun 30 20:32:52 * CTLAdvance yells
Jun 30 20:32:59 * CTLAdvance shakes fist
Jun 30 20:33:03 * CTLAdvance yawns
Jun 30 20:33:28 <Popple3> codeslaw: Varied discount based on # of apps on catalog, and time on the platform
Jun 30 20:33:37 <Popple3> but no solid figures yet
Jun 30 20:33:47 <halfhalo> also varied on how many bribes you supplied
Jun 30 20:33:48 <codeslaw> very curious
Jun 30 20:33:57 <codeslaw> i've bribed a lot of people in my day
Jun 30 20:34:06 <Popple3> halfhalo: Doesn't that defeat the purpose? :P
Jun 30 20:34:18 <halfhalo> not if you bribe in puppies
Jun 30 20:34:20 <fxspec06> depends on what you're bribing with.
Jun 30 20:34:30 <Popple3> Touché
Jun 30 20:34:31 <Loudergood> my ups truck full of chocolate and caffeine should be arriving on the palm campus any minute now
Jun 30 20:39:09 <Popple3> Loudergood: That. Sounds. AWESOME! :P
Jun 30 20:39:51 <Loudergood> we should've done a group buy, ;)
Jun 30 20:40:18 <Popple3> gah, the suspense is killing me. Refreshing My Apps waiting for my multi-app package to get approved.
Jun 30 20:40:37 <Popple3> Loudergood: Well, considering I live in Ireland, that probably would've been a bit pointless :P
Jun 30 20:40:50 * Loudergood blew his hardware budget on a used motorcycle anyway
Jun 30 20:41:09 * halfhalo blew his budget on gas
Jun 30 20:41:35 <fxspec06> i'm still waiting for my first app for anything ever to get approved so i can actually have some money instead of not having money.
Jun 30 20:41:47 <Popple3> fxspec06: What's the app?
Jun 30 20:41:52 <fxspec06> then i can start crawling out of debt :D
Jun 30 20:42:03 <fxspec06> wildn video poker!!
Jun 30 20:42:05 <fxspec06> for webos
Jun 30 20:42:21 * halfhalo has almost no debt.  only 200 on his cc's because he is lazy
Jun 30 20:43:21 <fxspec06> i need to make money off of it. that or i've got to start begging for change
Jun 30 20:43:27 <Popple3> lol
Jun 30 20:43:34 <fxspec06> http://fxspec06.imgur.com/46Q38#0rB0j
Jun 30 20:44:39 <dtzWill> anyone play with enyo hybrid apps? any way to make the rendering of a hybrid plugin not so slow and choppy? :(
Jun 30 20:46:16 <fxspec06> wait til the TP gets GPU acceleration?
Jun 30 20:46:21 <summatusmentis> do any of you use Zotero?
Jun 30 20:48:57 <dtzWill> guess slow choppy app with keyboard is better than nothing >.<
Jun 30 20:49:49 <dtzWill> anyone know if that alphablend thing is still enabled by default ( https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=60476#p60476 )?
Jun 30 20:51:20 <dtzWill> (or how that translates to enyo-ness?)
Jun 30 20:51:56 <CTLAdvance> lol weve been waiting for GPU acceleration since Pre.1
Jun 30 20:52:12 <CTLAdvance> are we really still waiting
Jun 30 20:52:14 <CTLAdvance> ?
Jun 30 20:55:15 <fxspec06> pre 2 has gpu acceleration.
Jun 30 20:55:49 <fxspec06> it's easy to tell the difference, my game uses CSS rotation transitions
Jun 30 20:56:29 <fxspec06> and timeouts, on the pre+ they lag ever so slightly, and on the pre 2 it's buttery smooth
Jun 30 20:57:39 <fxspec06> pre plus w/ overclock not as bad, but still not as smooth as pre 2
Jun 30 20:59:11 <codeslaw> fxspec06: does that apply to css scaling as well?
Jun 30 21:00:50 <fxspec06> i would assume so, but we'll never know for certain until we try it out
Jun 30 21:01:17 <codeslaw> indeed
Jun 30 21:01:36 <codeslaw> my app uses scaling quite a bit, hopefully that's working nicely
Jun 30 21:02:14 <fxspec06> i was disappointed to find out that mojo doesn't support many webkit properties
Jun 30 21:02:36 <fxspec06> rumor has it the TP improves on this
Jun 30 21:02:47 <fxspec06> *enyo
Jun 30 21:03:29 <Popple3> no box-shadow on the emulator anyway :(
Jun 30 21:03:55 <fxspec06> damnit!!! that's the specific one I wanted
Jun 30 21:03:55 <fxspec06> along with perspective
Jun 30 21:04:02 <fxspec06> preserve-3d
Jun 30 21:04:11 <Popple3> could be on device, but it's not on the emulator anyway
Jun 30 21:04:23 <Popple3> the builds vary slightly
Jun 30 21:04:57 <fxspec06> it would be smart of them to include it
Jun 30 21:05:34 <fxspec06> codeslaw: what kind of scaling do you have to use a lot?
Jun 30 21:05:48 <codeslaw> one large canvas element that i zoom in and out of
Jun 30 21:05:54 <codeslaw> via css
Jun 30 21:05:59 <Popple3> Yeah, I was there tweaking the box-shadow in in my browser, and then loaded it into the emulator and was like -__-
Jun 30 21:06:31 <fxspec06> lol. i must've tried a hundred times before realizing... ummm >.>
Jun 30 21:07:01 <fxspec06> codeslaw: i haven't read up on canvas yet. i've heard about it though
Jun 30 21:07:12 <Popple3> For the record: Dibs on webOS Google+ client when/if Google launch an API :P
Jun 30 21:08:05 <fxspec06> i have a ton to learn actually. there's so much you can do
Jun 30 21:08:15 <codeslaw> fxspec06: it's cool, thought for my purposes i'm hoping that all the hardware accelerations are applied like any other dom node
Jun 30 21:11:59 <fxspec06> they should happen automatically, any / all visual elements get sent to GPU anything else goes to GPU
Jun 30 21:14:40 <fxspec06> it's amazing the difference though. my game does a cardflip and a sound at the same time when you tap, and you tap five cards in a row, on the pre plus the animation takes priority over the sound.play() and sometimes .play is laggy. w/ GPU acceleration there is literally zero lag ever
Jun 30 21:15:43 <CTLAdvance> Are you sure 2.x had it
Jun 30 21:16:10 <fxspec06> positive the pre 2 has it
Jun 30 21:16:57 <CTLAdvance> ok because last I heard it did not, thats part of why they replaced the launcher with a c service
Jun 30 21:17:03 <CTLAdvance> very good then
Jun 30 21:18:00 <fxspec06> my pre plus is 2.1, i think it is 2.x that has it and pre plus is just weaker.
Jun 30 21:18:01 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=4c9645421b8e81d64af836ab0c8cbe91&lastaction=login&f=91&t=10541
Jun 30 21:22:53 <dohtem> Any know of a really good CSS3 guide/book?
Jun 30 21:23:27 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/266313-webos-2-0-hardware-acceleration.html
Jun 30 21:23:38 <fxspec06> i guess 2.x only supportes hardware accelerated CSS transitions
Jun 30 21:23:52 * fxspec06 leaves for a bit to go NOM NOM
Jun 30 21:24:40 <dtzWill> well i just want the SDL surface scribbled on by the plugin to be rendered usefully
Jun 30 21:24:40 <dtzWill> oh well
Jun 30 21:44:51 <fxspec06> dohtem: don't know about books, i learn by searching and trying
Jun 30 21:48:55 <Popple3> dohtem: I usually just look at examples anywhere and work out what they do
Jun 30 21:49:20 <Popple3> dohtem: You could also take a look at this: http://css3generator.com/ very helpful for understanding CSS3
Jun 30 21:50:15 <rwatkins> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS/
Jun 30 21:51:13 <fxspec06> i'm terrible at reading books. hands-on is the only way i ever learn anything
Jun 30 21:52:24 <rwatkins> this is how you become a great developer - http://twitter.com/#!/wilshipley/status/80807194014134272
Jun 30 21:53:03 <rwatkins> know your foundations backwards and forwards
Jun 30 21:53:20 <dohtem> sounds like a fast track to insanity
Jun 30 21:53:25 <dohtem> :)
Jun 30 21:53:43 <rwatkins> I'm sure it was dull beyond belief.
Jun 30 21:54:21 <dohtem> Popple3: thanks for the css generator link.
Jun 30 21:54:36 <Popple3> dohtem: No worries
Jun 30 21:56:38 <fxspec06> you have to be insane to be a great programmer
Jun 30 21:56:59 <fxspec06> learning to program involves the very basic definition of insanity
Jun 30 21:57:20 <fxspec06> repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Jun 30 21:57:34 <rwatkins> heh
Jun 30 21:57:34 <fxspec06> and we've all done that until 4am
Jun 30 21:58:21 <dohtem> FlexBoxes are my friends!
Jun 30 21:58:46 <fxspec06> dohtem: i saw that in the video a while back and got super excited
Jun 30 21:58:53 * PatrickC finally got a twitter
Jun 30 21:58:59 <PatrickC> is phnx open source?
Jun 30 21:59:08 <fxspec06> not sure
Jun 30 21:59:17 <fxspec06> don't think so
Jun 30 21:59:46 <fxspec06> ask him: _at_ phnxapp
Jun 30 21:59:57 <PatrickC> hrmm.. I'm using Spaz right now..
Jun 30 22:00:07 <PatrickC> yea.. I need to get used to twitter hehe..
Jun 30 22:00:11 <fxspec06> i have the phnx beta still.
Jun 30 22:00:21 <fxspec06> it took me a while to get used to
Jun 30 22:00:28 <fxspec06> made one earlier this year
Jun 30 22:00:35 <fxspec06> it's soooo worth it though
Jun 30 22:01:07 <rwatkins> liked the beta of phnx better than the release
Jun 30 22:01:26 <PatrickC> is the beta still out?
Jun 30 22:01:32 <PatrickC> oh.. @awesomeapps_
Jun 30 22:01:39 <rwatkins> simple, metro ui.  but i think it leaked memory like a sieve
Jun 30 22:01:49 <fxspec06> nah it expired a month ago or so
Jun 30 22:01:52 <dohtem> time to make #enyo trend
Jun 30 22:02:16 <PatrickC> dohtem: username?
Jun 30 22:02:23 <dohtem> akanster
Jun 30 22:02:25 <PatrickC> trying to follow all the good people :)
Jun 30 22:02:39 * dohtem is one of the chosen ones!
Jun 30 22:02:43 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 22:02:51 <fxspec06> go ahead look at who i'm following, there's a ton and i keep finding more.
Jun 30 22:02:53 <PatrickC> I'll follow anyone who has to do with webos :P
Jun 30 22:02:59 <fxspec06> lol me too
Jun 30 22:03:10 <PatrickC> @akanster shows nothing in spaz..
Jun 30 22:04:16 <rwatkins> hm.  "palm created repository eris about 20 hours ago" github.com
Jun 30 22:04:35 <PatrickC> eris???
Jun 30 22:04:59 <sugardave> Hail Eris!
Jun 30 22:05:02 <sugardave> er
Jun 30 22:05:16 <Popple3> Enyo for Ares perhaps?
Jun 30 22:05:34 <dohtem> torture sugardave! He knows something!
Jun 30 22:05:45 <fxspec06> @fxspec06 <<<
Jun 30 22:05:50 <PatrickC> sugardave! what's your twitter username?
Jun 30 22:06:02 <rwatkins> ya, would think so .. "Eris is named after the Greek goddess Eris (Greek Ἔρις), a personification of strife and discord."
Jun 30 22:06:11 <dohtem> oh dear
Jun 30 22:06:31 <PatrickC> dohtem: what? lol
Jun 30 22:06:43 <dohtem> gotcha fxspec06
Jun 30 22:06:48 <PatrickC> same here
Jun 30 22:07:45 <PatrickC> my first follower! lol
Jun 30 22:08:17 <fxspec06> sweeeeet =)
Jun 30 22:08:34 <fxspec06> i'm up to 48 now
Jun 30 22:08:36 <Popple3> I need to come up with some sort of dev studio name....
Jun 30 22:08:51 * PatrickC is Awesome Apps
Jun 30 22:09:06 <Popple3> PatrickC: That name is a lot to live up to ;)
Jun 30 22:09:12 <PatrickC> possibly will change to Top Dog Publications.. thinking about it.. :)
Jun 30 22:09:16 <PatrickC> Popple3: I know ;)
Jun 30 22:09:20 <Popple3> Publications? O.o
Jun 30 22:09:26 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 22:09:31 <Popple3> that suggests books or magazines
Jun 30 22:09:35 <Popple3> imo
Jun 30 22:09:35 <fxspec06> i think i should reboot my computer. i'll bb
Jun 30 22:10:02 <PatrickC> eh.. Top Dog ....
Jun 30 22:10:14 <PatrickC> I'll figure it out soon enough.. or stick with AA :)
Jun 30 22:10:20 <PatrickC> Popple3: I'm following you :P
Jun 30 22:10:23 <cwayne> lol aa
Jun 30 22:10:57 <Popple3> PatrickC: Suppose I better follow you back :P
Jun 30 22:10:59 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 22:11:05 <PatrickC> cwayne: twitter?
Jun 30 22:11:15 <PatrickC> I'm getting all the usernames I can hehe
Jun 30 22:11:42 <LoneStar99> have the simpliest thing causing error --> activate: function() {  doMyLoad()//LOAD CPICKER }   --> function doMyLoad() {}
Jun 30 22:12:21 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Why not just do activate: doMyLoad?
Jun 30 22:12:27 <Tibfib_> ENY
Jun 30 22:12:41 <Tibfib_> O
Jun 30 22:12:50 <Popple3> A
Jun 30 22:12:53 <Popple3> ENYA :D
Jun 30 22:12:53 <PatrickC> tibfib: I thought you went making enyo koto?
Jun 30 22:12:54 <Popple3> :P
Jun 30 22:13:05 <Tibfib_> PatrickC: I changed my mind
Jun 30 22:13:07 <LoneStar99> Poople: what do you mean?  activate: doMyLoad() ??
Jun 30 22:13:10 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 22:13:10 <Popple3> Yeah, feck sake Tibfib_, get back to work! :P
Jun 30 22:13:12 <Tibfib_> I was going to tell you, but you haven't been online
Jun 30 22:13:16 <PatrickC> need any help?
Jun 30 22:13:20 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Without the brackets
Jun 30 22:13:29 <Tibfib_> PatrickC: maybe
Jun 30 22:13:36 <Tibfib_> I'm still deciding exactly how I'm going to do it
Jun 30 22:13:38 <PatrickC> ok. I'll follow you on twitter
Jun 30 22:13:53 <PatrickC> DM me (or whatever its called)
Jun 30 22:14:01 <PatrickC> I'm still getting used to it lol
Jun 30 22:14:03 <fxspec06> oh hey there tibfib
Jun 30 22:14:10 <Tibfib> fxspec06: howdy
Jun 30 22:14:14 <fxspec06> when's 0.8 gonna be released?
Jun 30 22:14:16 <fxspec06> =p
Jun 30 22:14:21 <Tibfib> as soon as palm approves it
Jun 30 22:14:26 <Tibfib> which is going to be like a month
Jun 30 22:14:32 <Tibfib> considering they only care about touchpad apps right now
Jun 30 22:14:33 <fxspec06> "in the coming months"
Jun 30 22:14:45 <Tibfib> yep
Jun 30 22:14:52 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 22:15:09 * PatrickC never got far on YMP Pro
Jun 30 22:15:10 <LoneStar99> Popple3:  wow that was easy enough
Jun 30 22:15:58 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Simplest solutions are always the best
Jun 30 22:16:35 <PatrickC> Spaz the best webos twitter app?
Jun 30 22:17:01 <Popple3> PatrickC: Best free one I'd say
Jun 30 22:17:05 <Tibfib> PatrickC: best doesn't work for opinions
Jun 30 22:17:07 <PatrickC> cool
Jun 30 22:17:23 <Popple3> personally I use phnx though
Jun 30 22:17:26 * oilsworkn opinion is always the best
Jun 30 22:17:28 <fxspec06> the best one is carbon, because i have it
Jun 30 22:17:33 <fxspec06> =D
Jun 30 22:17:33 <Tibfib> carbon is good
Jun 30 22:17:37 <Tibfib> phnx isn't bad either
Jun 30 22:17:40 <Tibfib> I still use spaz
Jun 30 22:17:41 * oilsworkn uses twitter.com in the browser!
Jun 30 22:17:44 <PatrickC> id try phnx.. but don't feel like buying.. cause idk if I'll like it
Jun 30 22:17:52 <Tibfib> unified timeline is what keeps me at spaz
Jun 30 22:18:04 <oilsworkn> you should just like ron
Jun 30 22:18:04 <fxspec06> i'd like to try phnx full version. the beta was sooooo nice
Jun 30 22:18:10 <cwayne> PatrickC: pddotnet
Jun 30 22:18:13 <cwayne> hahaha
Jun 30 22:18:24 <oilsworkn> s/should/sound/
Jun 30 22:18:59 <PatrickC> id like to try phnx and carbon.. but idk if I'll like them.. so I'll pass and stick with Spaz :)
Jun 30 22:20:06 <oilsworkn> PatrickC: 99 cents is tooo much?
Jun 30 22:20:12 <Popple3> The lack of list support made me stop using spaz
Jun 30 22:20:29 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: I just don't feel like wasting money lol
Jun 30 22:20:31 * oilsworkn never finished his spaz theme
Jun 30 22:20:44 * Tibfib never uses lists
Jun 30 22:20:45 <oilsworkn> one spaz theme to rule them all
Jun 30 22:20:48 <PatrickC> why buy when you can get something that does the same thing cheaper/free?
Jun 30 22:20:48 <Tibfib> they are FOR STUPIDS
Jun 30 22:20:57 <Tibfib> </jk>
Jun 30 22:21:06 <fxspec06> oh god how do you make font size bigger in mIRC
Jun 30 22:21:07 * oilsworkn doesnt follow enough people to need a list :/
Jun 30 22:21:08 <Popple3> shame on you oilsworkn :P
Jun 30 22:21:09 <Tibfib> Popple3: spaz is open source
Jun 30 22:21:19 <oilsworkn> Popple3: my theme was freakin awesome
Jun 30 22:21:20 <Popple3> Tibfib: I know, but I have little time :(
Jun 30 22:21:24 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: lord of the rings?
Jun 30 22:21:30 <oilsworkn> no
Jun 30 22:21:30 <Tibfib> or was it the star trek one?
Jun 30 22:21:34 <oilsworkn> LCARS
Jun 30 22:21:56 <Popple3> I have a webOS list and iDroid list that I check up on every now and then
Jun 30 22:22:06 <Tibfib> SOoooo who's all waiting for dev discounts for touchpads and who's buying one tomorrow?
Jun 30 22:22:23 * Tibfib is doing former
Jun 30 22:22:23 <Popple3> Tibfib: Waiting for dev discounts
Jun 30 22:22:38 <fxspec06> Tibfib: waiting for money
Jun 30 22:22:45 <fxspec06> && dev discounts
Jun 30 22:22:46 <Popple3> ^that too
Jun 30 22:22:49 <Popple3> lol
Jun 30 22:22:51 * oilsworkn tries to decide if he needs a second one
Jun 30 22:22:55 <PatrickC> Tibfib: me! me! me!
Jun 30 22:23:03 <Tibfib> oil: :P
Jun 30 22:23:04 <PatrickC> I'm waiting
Jun 30 22:23:13 <PatrickC> oil: buy me one! lol
Jun 30 22:23:42 <Popple3> Everyone buy postie when it's accepted so I can get a TouchPad asap, kthx
Jun 30 22:24:00 <Popple3> :P
Jun 30 22:24:04 <LoneStar99> have the following color picker code that was modified for mojo, and now needs to be modified for enyo --> http://pastebin.com/KLUipd8M
Jun 30 22:24:09 <Popple3> I'll probably get one anyway
Jun 30 22:24:16 <fxspec06> Anyone who wants to buy me one I will gladly reimburse when I can pay you back =D
Jun 30 22:25:20 <oilsworkn> haha, the screenshot still works: http://i55.tinypic.com/rhvmsx.png
Jun 30 22:25:25 <LoneStar99> yeah everyone buy drop also, so i can buy a TP also
Jun 30 22:25:26 <oilsworkn> best. theme. ever.
Jun 30 22:25:57 <LoneStar99> nice
Jun 30 22:26:32 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: haha
Jun 30 22:26:33 <fxspec06> hmm is spaz in beta ?
Jun 30 22:26:47 <PatrickC> nope
Jun 30 22:26:49 <PatrickC> it was
Jun 30 22:27:06 <fxspec06> poopies i missed it
Jun 30 22:27:10 <Loudergood> there's usually a beta release
Jun 30 22:27:25 * oilsworkn thinks lcars should be default spaz theme
Jun 30 22:27:28 <Tibfib> fxspec06: that's a broad question
Jun 30 22:27:32 <Tibfib> can you be more specific?
Jun 30 22:27:40 <Tibfib> spaz mojo? spaz enyo?
Jun 30 22:27:41 <fxspec06> for... the pre 2
Jun 30 22:27:42 <fxspec06> mojo
Jun 30 22:27:56 <oilsworkn> spaz "HD" support themes?>
Jun 30 22:27:59 <Tibfib> There has been a stable release since june 6th 2009
Jun 30 22:28:00 <Tibfib> Hah
Jun 30 22:28:03 <Tibfib> something like that
Jun 30 22:28:07 * PatrickC wishes Spaz HD ran on his pre2
Jun 30 22:28:10 <Tibfib> there is a beta for new stuff though
Jun 30 22:28:13 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: no
Jun 30 22:28:13 <fxspec06> lol no way
Jun 30 22:28:14 <Tibfib> not yet
Jun 30 22:28:20 <oilsworkn> GET ON IT TIBFIB
Jun 30 22:28:27 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: GET ME A TOUCHPAD
Jun 30 22:28:38 <oilsworkn> dont need touchpad to add themes
Jun 30 22:28:43 <Tibfib> I'm waiting to get one and see what parts of the app suck and so forth to improve it
Jun 30 22:28:44 <halfhalo> lies
Jun 30 22:28:44 <oilsworkn> look at how much you did without it
Jun 30 22:28:55 <PatrickC> ohman.. Pre2 is soooooo slow when its not OCed
Jun 30 22:29:01 <Tibfib> no it's not
Jun 30 22:29:10 <Tibfib> Pre2 has no need to be overclocked
Jun 30 22:29:12 <PatrickC> mine is..
Jun 30 22:29:15 <fxspec06> Tibfib: most of it is nice, but it did suck horribly when it was released
Jun 30 22:29:17 * oilsworkn doesnt oc his pre-
Jun 30 22:29:17 <fxspec06> :p
Jun 30 22:29:21 <PatrickC> I Oc to 1.4GHz :)
Jun 30 22:29:30 <Tibfib> fxspec06: heh, ed didn't have a pre- to test it on
Jun 30 22:29:31 * fxspec06 overclocks as far as it can go
Jun 30 22:29:52 <fxspec06> i can't. pre+ can go to 1.1, pre 2 can go to 1.1
Jun 30 22:29:57 <PatrickC> same here fxspec06
Jun 30 22:30:01 <fxspec06> i think it's CDMA
Jun 30 22:30:04 <fxspec06> >.>
Jun 30 22:30:17 <PatrickC> my pre2 runs at 1.4Screenstate
Jun 30 22:30:19 <fxspec06> cdma makes your phone a big baby
Jun 30 22:30:29 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 22:30:35 <fxspec06> mine won't even boot at 1.4
Jun 30 22:30:39 <PatrickC> my dads pre- runs at 1.2GHz
Jun 30 22:30:40 * NergalJAF wonders how fxspec06's battery & temperature are 
Jun 30 22:30:43 <fxspec06> it boots SR71 just fine
Jun 30 22:31:04 * fxspec06 has a bigger battery than anyone here
Jun 30 22:31:14 <PatrickC> my pre2 needs to be plugged in to boot the first time.. then its fine after that
Jun 30 22:31:28 <fxspec06> hmm. maybe we will try again
Jun 30 22:31:46 <fxspec06> sr71 is slow as molasses though.
Jun 30 22:31:57 <oilsworkn> that doesnt sound like a sr71
Jun 30 22:32:18 <fxspec06> yeah it wasn't lol f104a only one that proven to work
Jun 30 22:32:21 <fxspec06> will try f14 again
Jun 30 22:33:41 <fxspec06> btw my pre plus at 1.1 is crazy hot w/ stock battery. like 48 degrees after 2 sec of use
Jun 30 22:33:53 <PatrickC> wow! screenstate?
Jun 30 22:34:05 <fxspec06> well like 5 mins of use.
Jun 30 22:34:13 <fxspec06> yeah
Jun 30 22:34:20 <fxspec06> i use ondemand its not so bad
Jun 30 22:34:23 <fxspec06> 2.1
Jun 30 22:34:23 <PatrickC> my pre- at 1.1 stays around 35
Jun 30 22:34:41 <Vyker> a 57 yr woman, found it easier to use webos than android.
Jun 30 22:34:50 <fxspec06> i do bad things to my pre though
Jun 30 22:34:51 <PatrickC> 2.1 as well
Jun 30 22:34:56 <PatrickC> same here
Jun 30 22:35:02 <PatrickC> my pre gets abused daily haha
Jun 30 22:35:15 <fxspec06> stupid data transfers.. the pre doesn't like them very much
Jun 30 22:35:26 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 22:35:43 <PatrickC> the pre (daily phone) gets more abuse then the pre2
Jun 30 22:35:45 <LoneStar99> another simple function ain't doing jack -->  function doMyLoad() { this.$.plugin.applyStyle("display:none"); }  does not do anything....
Jun 30 22:35:45 <LoneStar99> }
Jun 30 22:36:27 <fxspec06> enyo ?
Jun 30 22:36:32 <PatrickC> ipkg-opt is amazing.. fyi
Jun 30 22:36:41 <halfhalo> duh
Jun 30 22:36:47 <PatrickC> enyo is out of nda lol
Jun 30 22:37:01 <LoneStar99> yeah enyo
Jun 30 22:37:06 <fxspec06> i haven't seen enyooo code yet.
Jun 30 22:37:15 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Are you binding your function call to this?
Jun 30 22:37:18 <oilsworkn> enyooooo
Jun 30 22:37:54 * PatrickC is following halfhalo 
Jun 30 22:38:00 <Tibfib> LoneStar: you aren't doing it right
Jun 30 22:38:00 <fxspec06> i just got a 'submit multiple apps in one package' email from HP
Jun 30 22:38:05 <PatrickC> scary stuff
Jun 30 22:38:07 <halfhalo> horrible idea
Jun 30 22:38:12 <Tibfib> this.$.plugin.applyStyle("display", "none")
Jun 30 22:38:41 <Tibfib> why aren't all the early access topics out of the early access forums?
Jun 30 22:38:41 <Popple3> LoneStar99: enyo.bind(this, this.doMyLoad) might be what you need?
Jun 30 22:38:54 <fxspec06> i was wondering that also, tibfib
Jun 30 22:38:57 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: noooo, see what I posted
Jun 30 22:39:03 <Popple3> also, what Tibfib just saw
Jun 30 22:39:04 <fxspec06> did a search earlier hoping to read up on it and saw nothing
Jun 30 22:39:05 <Popple3> *said
Jun 30 22:39:07 <Tibfib> binding may help, but that depends on the context
Jun 30 22:39:08 <Popple3> lol
Jun 30 22:39:24 <Popple3> Tibfib: yeah, was about to just say that, then i saw your message
Jun 30 22:39:35 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: what did u post?
Jun 30 22:39:39 <Tibfib> this.$.plugin.applyStyle("display", "none")
Jun 30 22:39:58 <Tibfib> ...
Jun 30 22:40:33 <oilsworkn> yeah
Jun 30 22:40:33 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: negative , might need to bind
Jun 30 22:40:49 * oilsworkn hasn't had any scope problems in enyo as of yet
Jun 30 22:40:52 <Tibfib> you need to post more than what you did
Jun 30 22:41:04 <Tibfib> give us context
Jun 30 22:41:12 <oilsworkn> let the tibfib help
Jun 30 22:41:27 <Popple3> oilsworkn: Really? Happened to me a few times :(
Jun 30 22:41:31 <Popple3> damn annoying
Jun 30 22:41:36 * Tibfib changes twitter name to "thetibfib"
Jun 30 22:41:38 * fxspec06 pre2 wears pink underwear =(
Jun 30 22:41:46 <Popple3> fxspec06: wut?
Jun 30 22:41:50 <LoneStar99> ok will post it all
Jun 30 22:41:58 <oilsworkn> or change it to "IDontLookLikeKevinFromTheOffice"
Jun 30 22:42:09 <fxspec06> f14 stuck in boot loop. need to memboot
Jun 30 22:42:13 <oilsworkn> because i still think that
Jun 30 22:42:37 <oilsworkn> even after seeing that picture of you in a field or something
Jun 30 22:42:41 <Tibfib> hahaahah
Jun 30 22:42:55 <Tibfib> facebook.com/Tibfib
Jun 30 22:42:58 <fxspec06> so that really is you tibfib?
Jun 30 22:43:02 <Tibfib> should be me
Jun 30 22:43:04 * oilsworkn has no facebook
Jun 30 22:43:18 <PatrickC> fxspec06: turn off phone
Jun 30 22:43:19 <Tibfib> bah
Jun 30 22:43:21 <PatrickC> plug into wall
Jun 30 22:43:23 <PatrickC> boot again
Jun 30 22:43:37 <Tibfib> http://en.gravatar.com/Tibfib
Jun 30 22:43:40 <Tibfib> BIG version
Jun 30 22:43:57 <oilsworkn> oh god
Jun 30 22:44:06 * oilsworkn wasn't expecting
Jun 30 22:44:09 <PatrickC> is that you?
Jun 30 22:44:14 <Tibfib> yepp
Jun 30 22:44:19 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: what were you expecting?
Jun 30 22:44:26 <PatrickC> wow.. not what I was expecting lol
Jun 30 22:44:32 <oilsworkn> http://en.gravatar.com/brandonvb
Jun 30 22:44:32 <oilsworkn> heh
Jun 30 22:44:34 <Tibfib> hahaha
Jun 30 22:44:43 <fxspec06> alright we'll try again. just tried from an extension cord, maybe the wall is better
Jun 30 22:44:43 <Popple3> http://en.gravatar.com/dbrierton
Jun 30 22:44:43 <Tibfib> DOHHH
Jun 30 22:44:53 * Tibfib thought he might find out what oil looks like
Jun 30 22:45:05 <oilsworkn> like a troll under the bridge
Jun 30 22:45:09 <Popple3> oilsworkn: I knew it! You look just like I imagined
Jun 30 22:45:19 <PatrickC> facebook.com/patrickcampanale
Jun 30 22:45:29 <PatrickC> I don't remember my gravitar link
Jun 30 22:45:37 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  this is the exact code I am using --> http://pastebin.com/m4ptFeD7
Jun 30 22:45:42 <Tibfib> PatrickC: with a truck profile picutre
Jun 30 22:45:44 <Tibfib> picture*
Jun 30 22:45:46 <Tibfib> sigh
Jun 30 22:45:46 <Popple3> holy crap, PatrickC is a truck!
Jun 30 22:45:48 * oilsworkn peeks at code
Jun 30 22:45:54 <PatrickC> haha
Jun 30 22:46:06 <fxspec06> oh tib i thought you were that guy from your P|C avatar
Jun 30 22:46:28 <Tibfib> LoneStar: why are you using an anonymous function in enyo?
Jun 30 22:46:29 <oilsworkn> what activate: doMyLoad
Jun 30 22:46:30 <Tibfib> or are you?
Jun 30 22:46:30 <NergalJAF> fxspec06 yup fatpackages are the new thing.
Jun 30 22:46:41 <Tibfib> fxspec06: hahah no
Jun 30 22:46:44 <Tibfib> watch the office?
Jun 30 22:46:47 <dohtem> LoneStar99: Please select syntax highlighting when you paste your code :)
Jun 30 22:47:07 <PatrickC> fxspec06: work?
Jun 30 22:47:14 <NergalJAF> the reason the private is still private because it may still contain private information
Jun 30 22:47:16 <fxspec06> sometimes
Jun 30 22:47:18 <fxspec06> h.o
Jun 30 22:47:25 <Tibfib> NergalJAF: like?
Jun 30 22:47:34 <Tibfib> there's not an nda anymore.
Jun 30 22:47:40 <LoneStar99> dohtem:  oopps forgot
Jun 30 22:47:57 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: that's EXACTLY how the code is in your enyo app?
Jun 30 22:48:06 <NergalJAF> don't know but it was part of Chuq's post
Jun 30 22:48:23 <fxspec06> PatrickC: starts flashing about 5 sec after plugging it in
Jun 30 22:48:32 <PatrickC> NergalJAF: what was part of chuq's post?
Jun 30 22:48:36 <Popple3> shouldn't you be defining the function using doMyLoad: function() {} instead?
Jun 30 22:48:37 <fxspec06> took battery out and let cool for a few minutes also
Jun 30 22:48:38 <NergalJAF> doMyLoad sounds dirty (just sayin)
Jun 30 22:48:45 <PatrickC> fxspec06: does it finish booting?
Jun 30 22:48:46 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 30 22:48:46 <fxspec06> LOL
Jun 30 22:48:47 <Popple3> NergalJAF: lulz
Jun 30 22:48:50 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  yeah
Jun 30 22:48:56 <LoneStar99> http://pastebin.com/j8hfVsXR highlighted
Jun 30 22:49:12 <fxspec06> PatrickC: dunno, probably not. i'll let it go for a couple minutes but it doesn't look good
Jun 30 22:49:22 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: there's no reason to use a function like that in enyo
Jun 30 22:49:32 <oilsworkn> and wtf activate: doMyLoad
Jun 30 22:49:33 <Tibfib> the function should be part of an enyo kind or something
Jun 30 22:49:34 <oilsworkn> looks broken
Jun 30 22:49:37 <NergalJAF> patrickc tibfib the reason why private is still private is in chuq's post
Jun 30 22:49:45 <Tibfib> activate: enyo.bind(this, doMyLoad)
Jun 30 22:49:55 <PatrickC> NergalJAF: link to post?
Jun 30 22:49:55 <Tibfib> is what it would be, if that was the correct method
Jun 30 22:50:01 <Tibfib> yeah link?
Jun 30 22:50:02 <NergalJAF> HA the word chuq is in the webOS dictionary
Jun 30 22:50:05 <oilsworkn> is activate even valid?
Jun 30 22:50:12 <PatrickC> if its a private post, only those with access can look
Jun 30 22:50:18 <oilsworkn> i thought that had to be done through some applicationwindow kind or whatever it was
Jun 30 22:50:42 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: I'm not sure
Jun 30 22:50:51 <fxspec06> nope no boot. oh well
Jun 30 22:51:02 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: why can't you do activate: function(){ ..... } ?
Jun 30 22:51:06 * NergalJAF is on wIRC not able to dev forum
Jun 30 22:51:17 <Popple3> Anyone know around what time I should start panicking that my fat app hasn't been accepted? :P
Jun 30 22:51:18 <Tibfib> ah no worries
Jun 30 22:51:24 <Tibfib> heheh fat app
Jun 30 22:51:37 <oilsworkn> wIRC ftw
Jun 30 22:51:45 <fxspec06> Popple3: right after you get drunk but before you start crying
Jun 30 22:51:48 <oilsworkn> which theme?!
Jun 30 22:51:54 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  have not tried it that way
Jun 30 22:51:56 <Popple3> fxspec06: I don't drink alcohol :P
Jun 30 22:51:56 <PatrickC> NergalJAF: why not? dev forums work with me
Jun 30 22:52:21 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: that's the proper way
Jun 30 22:52:27 <NergalJAF> Popple3 did you put in the submission note that it has a minimum Os of 1.x
Jun 30 22:52:38 <Popple3> NergalJAF: Yup
Jun 30 22:52:41 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: can you do a private post of the WHOLE WHOLE thing and I can help you out?
Jun 30 22:52:50 <Popple3> NergalJAF: and got it in before 10am Pacific
Jun 30 22:52:58 <oilsworkn> tbifib just wants to steal your codes!
Jun 30 22:53:07 <LoneStar99> oilsworkn:  LOL
Jun 30 22:53:08 <NergalJAF> PatrickC because my password is 148bits of random characters
Jun 30 22:53:16 <fxspec06> Popple3: good. alcohol is BAD!
Jun 30 22:53:18 <Popple3> so, _should_ be fine, but can't help but be anxious
Jun 30 22:53:23 <PatrickC> NergalJAF: oh haha
Jun 30 22:53:30 <dohtem> fxspec06: Lies.  Alcohol is tasty
Jun 30 22:53:38 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: SHUT UP
Jun 30 22:53:42 <fxspec06> dohtem: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jun 30 22:54:02 <NergalJAF> oilsworkn palm dark but only b/c I want all my apps to look similar when possible
Jun 30 22:54:17 <oilsworkn> flat is so awesome though :)
Jun 30 22:54:25 <PatrickC> flat?
Jun 30 22:54:27 <dohtem> flat?
Jun 30 22:54:33 <oilsworkn> awesome wirc theme!
Jun 30 22:54:33 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  the actual code for the function is the following --> http://pastebin.com/KLUipd8M
Jun 30 22:54:39 <sugardave> FLAT!
Jun 30 22:54:50 <oilsworkn> srsly
Jun 30 22:54:54 <oilsworkn> its my default now
Jun 30 22:54:56 <fxspec06> FLAT WTF
Jun 30 22:54:59 <oilsworkn> but, im partial
Jun 30 22:55:06 <NergalJAF> maybe Adora & the rest of the staff are out drinking to the release :P
Jun 30 22:55:11 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  and this is a test http://pastebin.com/j8hfVsXR to see if something simple works
Jun 30 22:55:16 <PatrickC> oh, I hate that theme.. no offence haha
Jun 30 22:55:39 <dohtem> LoneStar99: dude, your variable names!
Jun 30 22:55:43 <Tibfib> LoneStar: your this is off
Jun 30 22:55:47 <Tibfib> you need to do scope stuff
Jun 30 22:55:52 * NergalJAF is now using flat just for the LULZ
Jun 30 22:55:53 <oilsworkn> PatrickC just moved to the jerk list
Jun 30 22:56:01 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 22:56:08 <PatrickC> its too.. bright
Jun 30 22:56:17 <fxspec06> which theme is this?
Jun 30 22:56:17 <PatrickC> make a dark theme like that and id be all over it
Jun 30 22:56:20 * NergalJAF needs to change my font colors now though :'(
Jun 30 22:56:22 <PatrickC> I hate white themes
Jun 30 22:56:30 <PatrickC> flat fxspec06
Jun 30 22:56:30 <fxspec06> PatrickC: me too
Jun 30 22:56:37 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: lost with scope stuff...
Jun 30 22:56:43 <fxspec06> dark is the way to go
Jun 30 22:56:55 <fxspec06> dark & 3D
Jun 30 22:56:57 <fxspec06> and HD
Jun 30 22:56:59 <fxspec06> and 1080
Jun 30 22:57:02 <PatrickC> yes!
Jun 30 22:57:03 * oilsworkn did plan on flat dark
Jun 30 22:57:09 <Popple3> fxspec06: no 3D kthx
Jun 30 22:57:14 <oilsworkn> but it may not happen now with 200 other things going on at once
Jun 30 22:57:14 <PatrickC> oilsworkn: do it! :P
Jun 30 22:57:33 <oilsworkn> if i do go back to it, its to hit it with a lcars theme
Jun 30 22:57:42 <oilsworkn> cause im a big nerd :/
Jun 30 22:57:50 <PatrickC> do flat dark firsy
Jun 30 22:57:52 <PatrickC> first*
Jun 30 22:57:55 <PatrickC> then lcars lol
Jun 30 22:58:06 <oilsworkn> no, no, no, you're on the jerk list, you dont get to suggest features for my apps ;)
Jun 30 22:58:13 <PatrickC> hehe
Jun 30 22:58:18 <Popple3> oilsworkn: Do I?
Jun 30 22:58:21 <oilsworkn> maybe
Jun 30 22:58:22 <Popple3> coz I'd like a Nyan Cat theme
Jun 30 22:58:27 <PatrickC> I've helped troubleshoot wirc :)
Jun 30 22:58:34 <oilsworkn> its a crapshoot on weather or not i actually listen
Jun 30 22:58:36 <PatrickC> and spend hours trying to fix it :P
Jun 30 22:58:47 <NergalJAF> oil where is message color in list all is white & I can't read anything except Nick names & highlighted
Jun 30 22:59:02 <oilsworkn> hm?
Jun 30 22:59:12 <fxspec06> so Oil, you assisted wirc i take it?
Jun 30 22:59:21 <oilsworkn> it should have changed when you went from dark to light
Jun 30 22:59:28 <oilsworkn> assuming you're running a current version
Jun 30 22:59:31 <sugardave> if I'm on AT&T, which is better to see in my status bar E or 3G?
Jun 30 22:59:32 <oilsworkn> fxspec06: among others
Jun 30 22:59:38 <oilsworkn> sugardave: 3g
Jun 30 22:59:39 <NergalJAF> never mind, it's just history that was unreadable
Jun 30 22:59:39 <Tibfib> wIRC is oil's baby
Jun 30 22:59:45 <sugardave> oilsworkn: thanks, what's E?
Jun 30 22:59:49 <oilsworkn> NergalJAF: yeah, it doesn't change
Jun 30 22:59:55 <oilsworkn> change previous entries*
Jun 30 22:59:59 <oilsworkn> sugardave: i would guess edge
Jun 30 23:00:04 <Popple3> quick question about promo codes, I submitted a minor update to an app, will all my codes created for the original work fine, or will I have to redo all the campaigns?
Jun 30 23:00:13 <Flashpass> sugardave: EDGE network, slower
Jun 30 23:00:23 <sugardave> k
Jun 30 23:00:28 <PatrickC> sugardave: edge?
Jun 30 23:00:48 <Popple3> sugardave: Of course, with a patch you can have U and H instead of 3G
Jun 30 23:00:50 <Popple3> H > U
Jun 30 23:01:15 <sugardave> U and H
Jun 30 23:01:21 <Popple3> UMTS and HSPA
Jun 30 23:01:32 <oilsworkn> <3 Ev
Jun 30 23:01:48 <sugardave> damn, I am so behind in my phreaking....not since red boxes still worked!
Jun 30 23:01:49 <Popple3> one of my must have patches really, I like to know if I'm on H or not
Jun 30 23:02:03 <NergalJAF> flat is win I feel like i'm on a sissy-phone like WinMO (sorry that was insensitive I'm sorry sissies you are nowhere near as weak as winMO)
Jun 30 23:02:05 <dohtem> sugardave == capn crunch
Jun 30 23:02:10 <sugardave> haha
Jun 30 23:02:15 <sugardave> not that old :P
Jun 30 23:02:22 <oilsworkn> but close!
Jun 30 23:02:22 <dohtem> lol
Jun 30 23:02:32 <oilsworkn> a couple years away from a walker
Jun 30 23:02:37 <sugardave> heh
Jun 30 23:02:40 <oilsworkn> and using the little motorized cart at the supermarket
Jun 30 23:02:40 <dohtem> sugardave: sounds like you used to read 2600
Jun 30 23:02:46 <fxspec06> what else is there besides flat? i was late to the game
Jun 30 23:02:53 <sugardave> dohtem: STOP STALKING ME
Jun 30 23:02:58 <dohtem> haha
Jun 30 23:03:14 <oilsworkn> back in his day there was no such thing as reading
Jun 30 23:03:20 <sugardave> I always kicked myself for not being able to come up with $260 for a lifetime subscription back when they offered it
Jun 30 23:03:38 <sugardave> plus all the back issues
Jun 30 23:03:41 <sugardave> sweet deal
Jun 30 23:03:53 <dohtem> and the infamous page 33
Jun 30 23:04:05 <NergalJAF> oilsworkn yes definitely multi-room panels I keep missing convos in other places
Jun 30 23:04:06 <dohtem> always flipped right to it when I got a new issue
Jun 30 23:04:31 <oilsworkn> NergalJAF: eh
Jun 30 23:04:35 <oilsworkn> enyo rewrite will work both ways
Jun 30 23:04:56 <oilsworkn> but i've got a number of apps on the list before it
Jun 30 23:04:59 <sugardave> see?  too many brain cells lost...which one was page 33?
Jun 30 23:05:08 <oilsworkn> sugardave: the one after 32
Jun 30 23:05:22 <dohtem> right before 34
Jun 30 23:05:24 <sugardave> I thought it was the one before 34
Jun 30 23:05:24 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 23:05:25 <NergalJAF> & after that was 34
Jun 30 23:05:25 <sugardave> yeah
Jun 30 23:05:27 <sugardave> :P
Jun 30 23:05:41 <oilsworkn> then 36 just to confuse people
Jun 30 23:05:49 <oilsworkn> or, thats what i would do anyways
Jun 30 23:05:53 <NergalJAF> Ah Rebecca black you are awesome for ever :P
Jun 30 23:05:58 <dohtem> heh, page 33 always had some oddity.  Like the page printed backwards, or the page number missing or something
Jun 30 23:07:27 <PatrickC> Tibfib: I don't see koto in preware
Jun 30 23:07:34 <PatrickC> isn't it suppose to be in there?
Jun 30 23:07:45 <Tibfib> it's in a private feed
Jun 30 23:07:55 <sugardave> ah, right.  I thought you were going to say the classifieds page(s) with the A-team guerilla warriors for hire ads
Jun 30 23:08:18 <fxspec06> which magazine was this?
Jun 30 23:08:21 <PatrickC> Tibfib: ok.. how does one get access? :)
Jun 30 23:08:25 <sugardave> 2600
Jun 30 23:08:39 <Tibfib> It's just for ipks of the latest github
Jun 30 23:08:45 <PatrickC> ah
Jun 30 23:08:53 <PatrickC> so its nothing special?
Jun 30 23:09:30 <Tibfib> nope
Jun 30 23:10:07 <LoneStar99> tibfib all i need help with is how to call an external function in enyo and have it do something... need a simple working example and will figure out the rest
Jun 30 23:10:21 <Tibfib> well if it's a global function
Jun 30 23:10:23 <Tibfib> just call the name
Jun 30 23:10:23 <fxspec06> like one from app-assistant
Jun 30 23:10:33 <fxspec06> don't declare it as prototype
Jun 30 23:10:36 <fxspec06> call the name
Jun 30 23:10:59 <sugardave> var myGlobalFunction = function() {...};       myGlobalFunction();
Jun 30 23:11:00 <fxspec06> call thy name, master function!
Jun 30 23:12:18 <PatrickC> fxspec06: had to memboot?
Jun 30 23:12:46 <fxspec06> yeah done already
Jun 30 23:13:02 <fxspec06> put f104a back on, when i get 2.1 i'll just have to uninstall
Jun 30 23:13:18 <fxspec06> http://perfectionkills.com/javascript-quiz/ <<<<< i got 4 / 15 right. =( does this mean i suck at life?
Jun 30 23:13:34 <dohtem> sugardave: wanna test an ipk for me? :)
Jun 30 23:14:14 <PatrickC> I want to test an IPK :)
Jun 30 23:14:18 <Tibfib> it means you suck at javascript
Jun 30 23:14:24 <Tibfib> fxspec06: I kid, I kid :)
Jun 30 23:14:30 <fxspec06> thanks, mr. fibby
Jun 30 23:14:31 * PatrickC doesnt want to take the test
Jun 30 23:14:32 <sugardave> dohtem: sure, what's it do?
Jun 30 23:14:44 <LoneStar99> sugardave does 'activate:' exist in enyo?
Jun 30 23:14:53 * fxspec06 weeps in the corner
Jun 30 23:15:05 <Tibfib> no
Jun 30 23:15:14 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: you need to UNLEARN mojo
Jun 30 23:15:14 <sugardave> LoneStar99: an ApplicationEvents object can get onWindowActivated events
Jun 30 23:15:15 <dohtem> create
Jun 30 23:15:22 <dohtem> lol Tibfib
Jun 30 23:15:41 <sugardave> s/object/kind/
Jun 30 23:15:49 <dohtem> LoneStar99: override the inherited create() function
Jun 30 23:16:19 <sugardave> dohtem: sugardave @ moc.liamg
Jun 30 23:16:35 <dohtem> packaging... one min
Jun 30 23:16:39 <fxspec06> Tibfib: what exactly about Mojo do you have to unlearn? i tried not to focus on any mojo specific things in my game, tried to write it in pure JS
Jun 30 23:16:42 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: yeah exactly build to many darn apps with mojo and it is killing me with enyo
Jun 30 23:16:52 <Tibfib> fxspec06: EVERYTHING
Jun 30 23:16:56 <LoneStar99> build|| built
Jun 30 23:16:58 <Tibfib> fxspec06: hard to say
Jun 30 23:17:00 <fxspec06> the whole prototype
Jun 30 23:17:02 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 30 23:17:13 <Tibfib> there needs to be a doc about mojo replacements in enyo
Jun 30 23:17:22 <fxspec06> soon!
Jun 30 23:17:23 <Tibfib> make sure you read the conceptual docs in enyo
Jun 30 23:17:42 <Tibfib> and don't expect something to be the same or exist because it did in mojo
Jun 30 23:17:53 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  yeah exactly for people like me  "Mojo to Enyo for Dummies"
Jun 30 23:17:56 <sugardave> it's going to be very hard to try to map things exactly from Mojo to Enyo
Jun 30 23:18:02 <fxspec06> but like, basic javascript will still be the same, right?
Jun 30 23:18:06 <sugardave> yes
Jun 30 23:18:09 <Tibfib> sugardave: not exactly
Jun 30 23:18:12 <dohtem> sugardave: was that an email address?
Jun 30 23:18:14 <Tibfib> but some stuff
Jun 30 23:18:17 <fxspec06> because that's what i love
Jun 30 23:18:28 <sugardave> dohtem: yeah, it's been page 33'd
Jun 30 23:19:11 <fxspec06> but the whole
Jun 30 23:19:13 <fxspec06> swapscene
Jun 30 23:19:31 <fxspec06> mojo.event.listen
Jun 30 23:19:35 <dohtem> sugardave: you had me scratching my head for a min
Jun 30 23:19:38 <fxspec06> activate / deactivate
Jun 30 23:19:48 <fxspec06> that's all gone?
Jun 30 23:20:04 <fxspec06> or is it just different
Jun 30 23:20:36 <Tibfib> all gone
Jun 30 23:20:49 <Tibfib> there's no more scenes
Jun 30 23:20:56 <fxspec06> goodie
Jun 30 23:21:02 <fxspec06> hated them.
Jun 30 23:21:07 <fxspec06> shouldn't even exist
Jun 30 23:21:22 <fxspec06> w/b buttons
Jun 30 23:21:24 <edude03> Hey guys :)
Jun 30 23:21:30 <fxspec06> lets say i set up a div
Jun 30 23:21:36 <fxspec06> nothing more than an image
Jun 30 23:21:39 <fxspec06> how do i listen in enyo
Jun 30 23:21:48 <edude03> Can I enable IMAP PUSH on my Gmail account on webos 2.1?
Jun 30 23:22:01 <sugardave> the Mojo service calls are very similar, for instance, to PalmService kinds
Jun 30 23:22:58 <fxspec06> edude03: go into email prefs, add gmail, go to gmail prefs and set to get email "as items arrive"
Jun 30 23:23:57 <dohtem> sugardave: sent
Jun 30 23:24:30 <edude03> fxspec06: Well I added mail as part of my "Google" account
Jun 30 23:24:40 <sugardave> cool, I'll go have a smoke and check it out
Jun 30 23:24:50 <edude03> But when I click the header in mail it says "Checking every 15 minutes, next check in xx minutes"
Jun 30 23:24:50 <dohtem> thanks
Jun 30 23:25:04 <fxspec06> edude03: i had this problem too.
Jun 30 23:25:20 <fxspec06> pop forwarding on gmail is rigged
Jun 30 23:25:33 <edude03> Oh nevermind :P I see what you mean
Jun 30 23:25:35 <edude03> haha!
Jun 30 23:25:35 <fxspec06> if you get a lot of emails, the MOST it will check is every 15 mins
Jun 30 23:25:55 <fxspec06> if you get slow emails, good luck getting them when it's time to read them
Jun 30 23:26:42 <edude03> Hell yeah!
Jun 30 23:26:49 <edude03> 2/3 of my webos issues solved
Jun 30 23:27:31 <edude03> OK is there a place to change the notification settings other than Sounds and Ringtones?
Jun 30 23:27:48 <fxspec06> i set up a script to send an email to my pop account every 10 mins and have gmail delete it when it fetches it, not elegant but gets the job done
Jun 30 23:27:48 <edude03> I hate that new messages makes the phone vibrate once quickly
Jun 30 23:28:22 <Popple3> edude03: There's a patch to sort that, but it's not great... Still vibrates even when you turn vibration off
Jun 30 23:28:30 <edude03> ouch
Jun 30 23:28:33 <PatrickC> edude03: patch
Jun 30 23:28:33 <edude03> I like the vibrate
Jun 30 23:28:52 <edude03> But I'd like to change the intensity and duration
Jun 30 23:29:03 <edude03> and vibration count for that matter
Jun 30 23:29:49 <edude03> fuuu
Jun 30 23:29:51 <edude03> Phone died
Jun 30 23:30:29 <fxspec06> oh here's a question i've been wanting an answer for
Jun 30 23:30:46 <fxspec06> how long until my beta expires if i requested suspension last night
Jun 30 23:35:27 <fxspec06> anyone have a rough idea?
Jun 30 23:38:42 <LoneStar99> i think i need to go to Enyo University
Jun 30 23:39:30 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 30 23:40:12 <LoneStar99> feel like I am coding in cyrillic
Jun 30 23:40:29 <Popple3> Google's mobile home page looks quite strange in webOS now O.o
Jun 30 23:40:56 <Popple3> ah, there's icons, they weren't there a second ago
Jun 30 23:42:19 <fxspec06> lollllll
Jun 30 23:47:40 <Epyon22> lol webos has got some quite weird code
Jun 30 23:50:26 <LoneStar99> can i have multple of the following setup in index.html  --> new enyo.Draw().renderInto(document.body);  new enyo.Picker().renderInto(document.body); ??
Jun 30 23:51:01 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Never tried it, but I doubt it
Jun 30 23:51:08 <Popple3> why would you want to anyway?
Jun 30 23:51:23 <fxspec06> why would you want that
Jun 30 23:51:37 <LoneStar99> Popple3:  not sure just trying to get a feel for Enyo
Jun 30 23:52:37 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Fair enough
Jun 30 23:54:17 <fxspec06> here's a great page i saw on twitter the other day >>>>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2628672/what-should-every-javascript-programmer-know
Jun 30 23:54:35 <Popple3> I saw that too... Who tweeted that?
Jun 30 23:54:36 <Popple3> lol
Jun 30 23:54:49 <fxspec06> not sure.
Jun 30 23:54:53 <fxspec06> it was in my retweet timeline
Jun 30 23:54:57 <fxspec06> ; )
Jun 30 23:55:28 <dohtem> fxspec06: congrats, you got me to sign up for a stackoverflow account.
Jun 30 23:55:38 <fxspec06> yeah that's not a bad idea
Jun 30 23:55:52 <dohtem> :) I usually lurk
Jun 30 23:56:09 <fxspec06> every time i run into a problem, i seem to keep searching until i end up on stackoverflow, then i find the answer
Jun 30 23:56:17 <Popple3> same, only ever asked one question, and it resulted in pretty much nothing
Jun 30 23:56:17 <Popple3> lol
Jun 30 23:59:40 <LoneStar99> laters
Jun 30 23:59:55 <Popple3> LoneStar99: adiós
Jul 01 00:00:06 <LoneStar99> bye
Jul 01 00:07:31 <dwc-> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ialgepocjcijbnlliojljnijmeciibha
Jul 01 00:07:35 <dwc-> great chrome extension
Jul 01 00:08:01 <dohtem> haha
Jul 01 00:08:07 <Popple3> lol
Jul 01 00:08:09 <Popple3> awesome :P
Jul 01 00:09:59 <Flashpass> haha
Jul 01 00:15:46 <dohtem> ENYO!  Y U NO HAS TEXT-SHADOW!?
Jul 01 00:15:53 <oil> thats a webos thing
Jul 01 00:20:24 <dohtem> is there a way to get all links in a string object?
Jul 01 00:20:29 <fxspec06> who here would want a DIGG app in enyo?
Jul 01 00:20:44 <Popple3> People still use Digg? :P
Jul 01 00:20:48 <dohtem> fxspec06: someone made a really good looking one
Jul 01 00:20:55 <fxspec06> damn.
Jul 01 00:20:57 <Flashpass> dohtem: I've just used a regex found on the net in the past
Jul 01 00:21:02 <fxspec06> well that's a good thing i guess
Jul 01 00:21:03 <Popple3> dohtem: Some cunning regular expression
Jul 01 00:21:08 <fxspec06> trying to think of my next project
Jul 01 00:21:23 <fxspec06> digg's still pretty sweet
Jul 01 00:21:23 <Popple3> I know what my next project is :D
Jul 01 00:21:26 <PatrickC> fxspec06: make ur app official? :)
Jul 01 00:21:36 <dohtem> Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems.
Jul 01 00:21:41 <fxspec06> oh man. i'd have to get a job at digg
Jul 01 00:21:48 <fxspec06> or ask their head guy
Jul 01 00:21:52 <Flashpass> there are crazy amounts of web link regex's online
Jul 01 00:21:54 <PatrickC> eww..
Jul 01 00:21:56 <Popple3> dohtem: Yeah, I've been there
Jul 01 00:22:01 <fxspec06> i forget his name, kevin rose switched a while back
Jul 01 00:22:11 * dohtem loves that quote
Jul 01 00:22:47 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 01 00:22:52 <fxspec06> good one dohtem
Jul 01 00:23:02 <dohtem> fxspec06: From the early access forums - http://nexapps.net/temp/tp/
Jul 01 00:23:24 <oil> excavate... nice
Jul 01 00:23:39 <oil> oh its otterpants
Jul 01 00:23:46 <Popple3> Huh... I thought UK availability was supposed to be just a few days after the US :/
Jul 01 00:23:52 <Popple3> 15th now apparently
Jul 01 00:23:57 <fxspec06> that's not bad... i would make it a lot nicer though =)
Jul 01 00:24:08 <Flashpass> dohtem: want the block of code I use?
Jul 01 00:24:20 <dohtem> Flashpass: to grep string for links?
Jul 01 00:25:03 <Flashpass> yeah I used it for a chrome plugin I made for a friend who won't stop spamming me with funny links haha
Jul 01 00:25:12 <fxspec06> no my news, no searches, no submitting, no profile viewing, no comments... is that a digg app?
Jul 01 00:25:24 <fxspec06> =p no offense to whoever made it
Jul 01 00:25:37 <dohtem> Flashpass: sure,
Jul 01 00:25:55 <PatrickC> SineOt!!
Jul 01 00:26:28 <SineOt> Me!
Jul 01 00:26:41 <SineOt> hi
Jul 01 00:27:15 <Flashpass> dohtem: http://pastebin.com/P5bbzdiE
Jul 01 00:29:25 <dohtem> Hello SineOt.  Would you like to play a game?
Jul 01 00:29:33 <PatrickC> ohno
Jul 01 00:29:37 <fxspec06> touchpad to get GPU acceleration update: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/286452-gpu-acceleration-w-tp-richard-kerris.html
Jul 01 00:30:54 <fxspec06> we all know that's old news but just thought i'd post anyways
Jul 01 00:31:14 <SineOt> dohtem: you know I love playing games :Q
Jul 01 00:31:24 <dohtem> Flashpass: thanks, I'll try it out
Jul 01 00:31:41 <Popple3> fxspec06: I didn't know about it, so not completely old news yet
Jul 01 00:31:59 <PatrickC> sineot: @awesomeapps_ ;)
Jul 01 00:32:31 <fxspec06> ; ) well now you know and you can pay it forward
Jul 01 00:32:55 <haeffb> Flashpass: I can't figure what's going wrong
Jul 01 00:33:58 <Flashpass> haeffb: oh in your app, yeah i'm not sure - i counted to make sure that the number was not just wrong, but was correct
Jul 01 00:34:55 <fxspec06> so i realized today that the cooler for my laptop has been running at low speed for last 3 weeks or so. that would explain the ~85* temps
Jul 01 00:35:04 <haeffb> when you click the x, it's using the same SQL query as when it initially loads notes.
Jul 01 00:36:17 <Flashpass> hmm
Jul 01 00:37:04 <dohtem> fxspec06: SpeedFan
Jul 01 00:37:33 <haeffb> I've made a couple of small changes...I'll send you a new .ipk
Jul 01 00:38:00 <Flashpass> alright i'll check it out when I get home tonight
Jul 01 00:38:20 <sosborn> How do I do a banner notification in Enyo?
Jul 01 00:38:33 <fxspec06> dohtem: got the nzxt cryo lx on a custom shelf. probs turned it down on accident one night
Jul 01 00:40:03 <haeffb> 			enyo.windows.addBannerMessage($L("Failed to create note in Simplenote!"), "{}", "smallicon");
Jul 01 00:40:07 <PatrickC> haeffb: what's the app?
Jul 01 00:40:12 <haeffb> pondNotes
Jul 01 00:40:16 <PatrickC> of.. wait.. Done/Noted?
Jul 01 00:40:19 <PatrickC> pondnotes?
Jul 01 00:40:24 <PatrickC> oh*
Jul 01 00:40:25 <haeffb> enyo version of noted
Jul 01 00:40:31 <PatrickC> awesome!
Jul 01 00:40:44 <PatrickC> haeffb: username on twitter?
Jul 01 00:40:52 <haeffb> it's sekrit
Jul 01 00:41:11 <haeffb> <-------
Jul 01 00:41:28 <PatrickC> Belgium?
Jul 01 00:41:33 <sosborn> haeffb: thanks
Jul 01 00:42:15 <PatrickC> most the status' are in a foreign language haha
Jul 01 00:42:24 <SineOt> One of these days I'll get to an Enyo rewrite of Squish Remote.
Jul 01 00:42:48 <PatrickC> SineOt: soon? lol
Jul 01 00:42:57 <SineOt> Maybe?
Jul 01 00:43:12 <fxspec06> someone think of an app they want
Jul 01 00:43:12 <haeffb> "in the coming...<insert unit of time>"
Jul 01 00:43:25 <fxspec06> i'll pick one and make it
Jul 01 00:43:27 <SineOt> I've been in that hell hole of MAJOR DEPRESSION :Q
Jul 01 00:43:29 <PatrickC> fxspec06: netflix/hulu
Jul 01 00:43:35 <haeffb> ha, Popple3 is faster than PatrickC
Jul 01 00:43:40 <fxspec06> not_happening
Jul 01 00:43:41 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jul 01 00:43:46 <SineOt> fxspec06: freaking google reader client
Jul 01 00:43:52 <Popple3> haeffb: damn straight!
Jul 01 00:44:11 <PatrickC> fxspec06: NinJump!!!!!
Jul 01 00:44:20 <fxspec06> it can't be an official app already on another platform!
Jul 01 00:44:25 <Popple3> lol
Jul 01 00:44:36 <fxspec06> what's ninjump?
Jul 01 00:44:49 <SineOt> fxspec06: gooooogle reader client :C
Jul 01 00:45:00 <fxspec06> what's google reader do
Jul 01 00:45:08 <Popple3> fxspec06: It's a game where you're a ninja running up two buildings jumping between them to dodge things
Jul 01 00:45:08 <fxspec06> reads google>?
Jul 01 00:45:13 <Popple3> fxspec06: RSS reader
Jul 01 00:45:25 <Popple3> fxspec06: Google Reader = RSS Reader that is
Jul 01 00:45:39 <fxspec06> that's all it is, is an RSS reader?
Jul 01 00:45:44 <PatrickC> Popple3: exactly!! lol
Jul 01 00:45:46 <SineOt> http://www.google.com/reader/ < it's nice, cross platform, syncs in the background
Jul 01 00:45:57 <SineOt> and all but maybe like, 1 RSS reader on webOS supports it :I
Jul 01 00:46:20 <PatrickC> :/
Jul 01 00:46:25 <PatrickC> SineOt: fix that :P
Jul 01 00:46:40 <SineOt> what that doesn't makes sense. There's like maybe 1 that supports it the rest don't
Jul 01 00:46:56 <Popple3> SineOt: And what RSS reader is that? I need it :P
Jul 01 00:47:01 <PatrickC> make an official google reader client :P
Jul 01 00:47:07 <SineOt> I dunno, I saw it ages ago
Jul 01 00:47:12 <Popple3> PatrickC: You can't just go and make official apps -__-
Jul 01 00:47:14 <SineOt> the UI was awful though so I was like… pass
Jul 01 00:47:15 <fxspec06> i need real ideas.
Jul 01 00:47:26 <fxspec06> i could make my own RSS reader
Jul 01 00:47:27 <Popple3> fxspec06: Google Reader Enyo app is a real idea
Jul 01 00:47:34 <fxspec06> and it would be super dee duper
Jul 01 00:47:38 <Popple3> I'd buy it for sure
Jul 01 00:47:38 <Popple3> :P
Jul 01 00:47:50 <SineOt> yeah for real
Jul 01 00:48:05 <Popple3> if fxspec06 doesn't wanna do it, I call dibs!
Jul 01 00:48:06 <Popple3> lol
Jul 01 00:48:08 <rwatkins> make it set an alarm to auto sync and work offline!
Jul 01 00:48:12 <SineOt> I can have my RSS stuff sync between my desktop and laptop, but you toss a tablet/phone into the mix? BARF
Jul 01 00:48:19 <fxspec06> alright, leme go sign up for that 3.0 sdk
Jul 01 00:48:33 <SineOt> the one that you can't sign up for right now? :U
Jul 01 00:48:41 <fxspec06> awwwh crap!
Jul 01 00:48:46 <Popple3> lol
Jul 01 00:48:53 <fxspec06> well if they would release it SOON i can start working on it SOON
Jul 01 00:48:58 <Popple3> SDK will probably be out soon
Jul 01 00:49:03 <Popple3> like, tomorrow, or the next day
Jul 01 00:49:05 <Popple3> hopefully
Jul 01 00:49:15 <PatrickC> RT: I would love to have #ninjump on my @HP #webos device!!
Jul 01 00:49:22 <SineOt> yeah, shouldn't be too long if they've stopped adding people to EAP
Jul 01 00:49:31 <Popple3> PatrickC: meh
Jul 01 00:49:33 <haeffb> PatrickC: http://smallpondapps.com/pondnotes/
Jul 01 00:49:34 <fxspec06> well ninjump is out of the question
Jul 01 00:49:34 <PatrickC> chuq said tomorrow probably
Jul 01 00:49:40 <fxspec06> can't copy apps
Jul 01 00:49:50 <fxspec06> i'd have to call it, croutching tiger hidden jump
Jul 01 00:50:07 <SineOt> I'd rather have a new phone option than Ninjump
Jul 01 00:50:22 <PatrickC> id rather have both :)
Jul 01 00:50:28 <PatrickC> or Fruit Ninja
Jul 01 00:50:34 <fxspec06> i can make a official 'we want sprint on pre 3' app!
Jul 01 00:50:40 <fxspec06> i bet i could sell a million copies
Jul 01 00:50:41 <dohtem> haeffb: those icons on the bottom, are they part of Enyo?
Jul 01 00:51:12 <dohtem> on the toolbar*
Jul 01 00:51:27 <haeffb> no, they're modified versions of glyphish
Jul 01 00:51:38 <PatrickC> fxspec06: lets make a trend on twitter :)
Jul 01 00:51:52 <SineOt> Glyphish is nice
Jul 01 00:51:56 <fxspec06> for what, fruit ninja?
Jul 01 00:52:05 <dohtem> looks awesome
Jul 01 00:52:06 <PatrickC> for pre3 on sprint
Jul 01 00:52:13 <haeffb> er, actually, all four are from different sources
Jul 01 00:52:16 <Popple3> PatrickC: Good luck with that :P
Jul 01 00:52:16 <edude03> Thanks fxspec06 btw 
Jul 01 00:52:17 <bubby323> hello good sirs
Jul 01 00:52:25 <bubby323> can i have some help with something?
Jul 01 00:52:32 <haeffb> the + is from... ? one of the example apps?
Jul 01 00:52:33 <Popple3> bubby323: sure, we can try
Jul 01 00:52:50 <haeffb> the clock & envelope from glyphish, I think
Jul 01 00:52:51 <bubby323> i need to tar the a dir on a pre and grab it and push it to the media/internal to patch something
Jul 01 00:52:51 <Popple3> Well, here's my first Enyo app: http://danielbrierton.ie/images/postie_screen_1.png
Jul 01 00:52:57 <bubby323> i have novaterm access
Jul 01 00:53:01 <haeffb> the trashcan from mojo?
Jul 01 00:53:02 <bubby323> how should i go about this?
Jul 01 00:53:03 <fxspec06> i'll see what i can do about RSS reader app
Jul 01 00:53:10 <fxspec06> that sounds plausible
Jul 01 00:53:15 <Popple3> And it's Mojo counterpart: http://danielbrierton.ie/images/postie_mojo_1.png
Jul 01 00:53:34 <bubby323> nice popple3 i like it
Jul 01 00:53:43 <Popple3> bubby323: Thanks
Jul 01 00:53:46 <dohtem> Popple3: Didn't you just picked up Mojo?
Jul 01 00:53:47 <rwatkins_> everbody loves them some SlidingViews
Jul 01 00:53:48 <fxspec06> that looks sweeeeeeeeeet popple
Jul 01 00:54:06 <bubby323> How do I tar a directory on a Pre and push it to the internal storage to look at it?
Jul 01 00:54:10 <bubby323> Popple3
Jul 01 00:54:12 <dohtem> Popple3: Looks great
Jul 01 00:54:23 <Popple3> bubby323: I remember reading about taring through novaterm, but can't remember :/
Jul 01 00:54:43 <fxspec06> how long did it take you to make it?
Jul 01 00:55:08 <Popple3> dohtem: I picked up Mojo at the start of April
Jul 01 00:55:08 <PatrickC> bubby323: tar -C /dir/to/tar -cvzf /place/to/put/dir.tgz .
Jul 01 00:55:15 <PatrickC> make sure to add the last period
Jul 01 00:55:32 <Popple3> also, thanks guys :D
Jul 01 00:55:51 <bubby323> Thanks Patrick C
Jul 01 00:55:54 <fxspec06> i picked up Mojo in february... along with javascript
Jul 01 00:55:55 <PatrickC> np
Jul 01 00:56:15 <SineOt> Oh, hey. Has anyone come across some decent Node.js webOS Service Tutorials, or examples that would be a good place to start off on?
Jul 01 00:57:28 <fxspec06> anyone who wants to get the last beta of my mojo app before it's suspended can get it here: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.fxspec06.wildnpoker
Jul 01 00:58:27 <bubby323> Is it /media/internal?
Jul 01 00:58:32 <haeffb> SineOt: http://fahhem.com/blog/2011/06/creating-an-enyo-app-service-from-scratch/ (not sure if this is still protected)
Jul 01 00:58:53 <haeffb> bubby323: yes
Jul 01 00:58:58 <bubby323> Thanks
Jul 01 00:59:09 <SineOt> haeffb: says protected, so I assume that means "yes"
Jul 01 00:59:13 <PatrickC> SineOt: RT @appcelerator: Titanium Desktop – Node.js Prototype http://appcel.us/mBiwP0 /via @appcelerator
Jul 01 00:59:18 <fxspec06> protected.
Jul 01 00:59:20 <fxspec06> damnit!!!
Jul 01 00:59:21 <PatrickC> Node.js stuff :)
Jul 01 00:59:30 <fxspec06> i want to start reading that stuff
Jul 01 00:59:35 <haeffb> the login credentials are in the EA forum
Jul 01 00:59:54 <Popple3> fxspec06: Whoops, missed your question about how long. I'd say I put about 70-80 hours into it between the Enyo and Mojo versions, but that's just a guess really
Jul 01 01:00:17 <fxspec06> oh yeah, you already had it written
Jul 01 01:00:18 <haeffb> er...if there is such a thing as an EA forum...
Jul 01 01:00:28 * SineOt just kind of… puts PatrickC in a box again
Jul 01 01:00:41 <bubby323> PatrickC would this work? tar -C / -cvzf /media/internal/dump.tgz .
Jul 01 01:00:45 <fxspec06> oh wait nvm..
Jul 01 01:00:54 <bubby323> Or is there a better way to dump the whole system
Jul 01 01:01:06 * fxspec06 facepalms over inability to read
Jul 01 01:01:26 <fxspec06> that's not bad at all.
Jul 01 01:02:08 <fxspec06> i take it an app like that or a reader app would take less time to make than a game ?
Jul 01 01:02:21 <bubby323> Way easier
Jul 01 01:02:28 <Popple3> yeah, definitely
Jul 01 01:02:39 <fxspec06> phew
Jul 01 01:02:47 <fxspec06> i worked for 3 months on that game.
Jul 01 01:02:53 <rwhitby> bubby323: the meta-doctor Makefile has a "backup" target which does what you want.
Jul 01 01:03:06 <PatrickC> bubby323: I would do tar -C dump -cvzf dump.tgz .
Jul 01 01:03:13 <bubby323> Can that be ran on a mac?
Jul 01 01:03:21 <rwhitby> bubby323: it's developed on a mac
Jul 01 01:03:21 <bubby323> *run
Jul 01 01:03:24 <PatrickC> oh, you want to tar the entire media/internal?
Jul 01 01:03:36 <bubby323> I want to tar the whole webos system
Jul 01 01:03:45 <bubby323> and push it to the media/internal
Jul 01 01:03:48 <PatrickC> tar the root?
Jul 01 01:03:49 <SineOt> haeffb: you don't happen to have say, a hint for what thread would have the password for that do you?
Jul 01 01:03:52 <bubby323> Yeah
Jul 01 01:04:00 <PatrickC> hrmm.. I have no idea..
Jul 01 01:04:08 <Popple3> PatrickC: there's no need, he can just use meta-doctor as rwhitby just said
Jul 01 01:04:13 * rwhitby has already given the solution
Jul 01 01:04:16 <haeffb> SineOt: go to the EA forum and in the search box at the bottom type "fahhem blog"
Jul 01 01:04:32 <bubby323> I will look into rwhitby's meta-doctor solution :D thanks everyone
Jul 01 01:04:37 <bubby323> i love this community
Jul 01 01:04:47 <Popple3> it's an awesome community :)
Jul 01 01:04:53 <bubby323> Sure is :3
Jul 01 01:04:58 <fxspec06> damn straight
Jul 01 01:05:09 <bubby323> Better than iOS (snobs) and Android where only some are nice
Jul 01 01:05:13 <sugardave> meh, you guys are alright
Jul 01 01:05:22 <haeffb> except for oil
Jul 01 01:05:24 <Popple3> wahey, PHD 2.0.0 is live
Jul 01 01:05:26 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jul 01 01:05:27 * Popple3 updates
Jul 01 01:05:30 <haeffb> it's all his fault
Jul 01 01:05:42 <rwhitby> some of the people are jerks though - like that webos internals australian guy
Jul 01 01:05:49 <bubby323> Lol
Jul 01 01:05:52 <haeffb> ron whatsisname?
Jul 01 01:05:52 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 01 01:05:56 <SineOt> haeffb: thank you~
Jul 01 01:05:56 <bubby323> No he's cool.
Jul 01 01:05:56 <oil> :(
Jul 01 01:06:01 <PatrickC> its Ron Wheesley
Jul 01 01:06:07 <bubby323> Lmao
Jul 01 01:06:14 <bubby323> you know it ;)
Jul 01 01:06:31 <bubby323> Switching to linux
Jul 01 01:06:49 <fxspec06> his name is rob, right?
Jul 01 01:06:54 <haeffb> sugardave: why don't you have the netflix app done yet?
Jul 01 01:06:57 <fxspec06> rob weasle
Jul 01 01:07:00 <sugardave> Rob Wheatly?
Jul 01 01:07:05 <dohtem> Romeo?
Jul 01 01:07:05 <sugardave> that guys is horrible
Jul 01 01:07:27 <sugardave> haeffb: who says I don't? >_>
Jul 01 01:07:28 <PatrickC> no, its definitely Ron Wheelsey
Jul 01 01:07:29 <fxspec06> his name is robert paulson
Jul 01 01:07:31 <haeffb> (and don't say because you've spent the last three weeks helping me...)
Jul 01 01:07:40 <PatrickC> sugardave: work!!
Jul 01 01:07:55 * rwatkins wants to see a Netflix app so he can take it apart and see how they did the DRM.
Jul 01 01:07:59 <haeffb> sugardave: engadget, mossberg, topolosky, precentral, BGR, ....
Jul 01 01:08:01 <sugardave> PatrickC: vacation!! packing!!
Jul 01 01:08:05 <dohtem> sugardave: Do you dream in javascript yet?
Jul 01 01:08:16 <dohtem> with all this Enyo coding you're doing
Jul 01 01:08:27 <fxspec06> dohtem: i wake up in the morning with the answer to the problem i went to bed with.
Jul 01 01:08:37 <fxspec06> then i immediately rush to the computer and it always works.
Jul 01 01:08:39 <dohtem> You should seek medical help
Jul 01 01:08:39 <fxspec06> it's scary
Jul 01 01:08:39 <haeffb> sugardave: enjoy the time off.
Jul 01 01:08:41 <sugardave> all I see are kinds...kinds everywhere!
Jul 01 01:09:12 <SineOt> rwatkins: pretty sure you won't really get to see a Netflix app until there's a way that you can't take it apart :p
Jul 01 01:09:13 <sugardave> haeffb: oh yes, indeed
Jul 01 01:09:15 <rwatkins> dream in indented braces
Jul 01 01:09:53 <fxspec06> i married a comma once, but she wouldn't give me a break
Jul 01 01:10:00 <sugardave> rimshot.wav
Jul 01 01:10:11 <rwatkins> SineOt: I'm pretty sure how they'd build it anyway -- hybrid app, all the drm in a plugin.  But still wanna see how they do it.
Jul 01 01:10:41 <haeffb> man, how awesome is it to be able to discuss [redacted] out in the open?
Jul 01 01:11:08 <Popple3> so, roughly what time in what time zone will the TouchPad first be available?
Jul 01 01:11:23 <rwatkins> i think at midnight in nyc at the union sq event.
Jul 01 01:11:26 <SineOt> Gremany, yesterday? P:
Jul 01 01:11:31 <SineOt> Germany even.
Jul 01 01:11:52 <rwatkins> so .. 3 hrs?
Jul 01 01:11:58 <fxspec06> germany yesterday is really three days from now
Jul 01 01:12:13 <SineOt> Midnight in NYC is 6 hours from now.
Jul 01 01:12:21 <fxspec06> if you fly over the bermuda triangle
Jul 01 01:12:28 <rwatkins> uh. no it isnt.  I'm in NYC.
Jul 01 01:12:30 <sugardave> 3
Jul 01 01:12:30 <SineOt> or 5 hours 51 minutes
Jul 01 01:12:35 <Popple3> rwatkins: :/ I don't like the sound of that... Postie update needs to go through in that time or else it won't actually work... :/ Stupid Posterous API change....
Jul 01 01:12:38 <sugardave> 3 hours
Jul 01 01:12:41 <SineOt> oh derp :<
Jul 01 01:12:42 <sugardave> 2:51
Jul 01 01:12:44 <fxspec06> it's really 3 hours
Jul 01 01:12:50 <fxspec06> TP available?
Jul 01 01:12:51 <SineOt> man I am so off my rocker the last few weeks
Jul 01 01:12:58 <sugardave> SineOt: FAIL
Jul 01 01:13:36 <rwatkins> Popple3: understand.  My 1.0.0 version is in the catalog, but my 1.0.1 with massive perf improvements is "waiting review".
Jul 01 01:13:47 <rwatkins> and I have another fixed up 1.0.2 waiting in the wings.
Jul 01 01:14:04 <fxspec06> don't you love that
Jul 01 01:14:06 <rwatkins> my guess?  they're a bit busy.
Jul 01 01:14:26 <dohtem> only a bit :)
Jul 01 01:14:29 <SineOt> sugardave: I've been fail for like a month now
Jul 01 01:14:31 <fxspec06> that's why i'm taking a break. i need a weekend off.
Jul 01 01:14:41 <rwatkins> so .. anyone with first hand experience - do users actually update their apps
Jul 01 01:14:43 <SineOt> at least I haven't thrown myself under a moving vehicle, off a bridge, or through a window yet
Jul 01 01:14:44 <rwatkins> ?
Jul 01 01:14:48 <Popple3> rwatkins: My app is completely useless in the current version. I coded and coded last night to get the Mojo version done to package it as a fat app and get it in before 10am pacific so it would be approved on time
Jul 01 01:14:53 <bubby323> so how do i use the make file to do it?
Jul 01 01:15:07 <bubby323> i have it git cloned now
Jul 01 01:15:10 <fxspec06> i update all the time. my pre2 shows updates available every time i reboot
Jul 01 01:15:13 <bubby323> but i read the makefile and nothing
Jul 01 01:15:30 <rwhitby> bubby323: search for "backup:"
Jul 01 01:15:36 <rwatkins> i'm sure *we* all update.  buy you know .. moms at home.  do they?  anyone look at thier stats on this?
Jul 01 01:15:39 <bubby323> ok :]
Jul 01 01:15:43 <rwhitby> bubby323: you'll see the tar commands there
Jul 01 01:16:21 <haeffb> rwatkins: with webOS 2.x +, it notifies the user of update availability
Jul 01 01:16:30 <fxspec06> good point -- i guess that depends on a multitude of factors
Jul 01 01:17:27 <bubby323> http://pastie.org/2147815 these rwhitby?
Jul 01 01:17:38 <rwatkins> haeffb: that helps, but wonder if many users on teh street just .. ignore.  they do with windows all the time.
Jul 01 01:17:44 <fxspec06> is there any way to distinguish new downloads from upgrades? i.e. my beta app had 396 downloads, is that 396 new downloads or 200 downloads and 196 updates?
Jul 01 01:17:45 <rwhitby> bubby323: yes
Jul 01 01:17:48 <Popple3> would it be out of line to email someone to request a quicker approval...? Or would it actually be too late now anyway...? :/
Jul 01 01:18:00 <bubby323> Now can I run them in that form, or what is the variable?
Jul 01 01:18:13 <rwatkins> chuq said "email pdc" earlier today but .. that went nowhere.
Jul 01 01:18:14 <rwhitby> bubby323: that is for you to determine
Jul 01 01:18:20 <bubby323> Ok
Jul 01 01:18:29 <rwatkins> I'm sure they're trying to get the number of "apps available at launch" as high as possible.
Jul 01 01:18:32 <fxspec06> Popple3: I tried to email people, I tweeted a bunch of WebOS heads, they're ALL wayyyyyyyyy too busy right now to be bothered.
Jul 01 01:18:36 <rwatkins> so its all about approving new apps, not updates.
Jul 01 01:19:16 <Popple3> rwatkins: Yeah, and they don't realise the significance of this update :(
Jul 01 01:19:43 <rwatkins> Popple3: its not whether they work, its whether they have a bigger number in that news article tomorrow.
Jul 01 01:19:46 <rwhitby> Popple3: I'd say they may have a different perspective on the significance
Jul 01 01:20:26 <rwatkins> they dont want it too be too close to the number of "tablet specific android apps"
Jul 01 01:20:28 <haeffb> "300 apps" not "300 apps that work"
Jul 01 01:20:33 <Popple3> rwhitby: Well, they won't know that the current version won't actually work until they get around to looking at the update :/
Jul 01 01:20:41 <rwatkins> which is rumored to be 250ish android and 300 webOS 3.0
Jul 01 01:20:57 <rwhitby> Popple3: as I said, I'd say they may have a different perspective on the significance of that
Jul 01 01:20:58 <fxspec06> well in all honesty I wouldn't mind setting the flag so TP owners can run my mojo app full screen.. but I'll have to put that in the description since there's no way to tell on the TP app catalog that it will run FS... <<<<< is this correct?
Jul 01 01:21:20 <rwhitby> fxspec06: your screenshots would show that
Jul 01 01:21:43 <rwatkins> so its clearly all hands on deck to make that 300 number, or more.  so the articles are "more apps than android tablets" not "about as many apps as android tablets"
Jul 01 01:22:17 <rwhitby> seriously, and dev who didn't have their updates in a week ago really needs to look at their own scheduling ability, not blame Palm for not being able to do an update the day before a flagship product launch.
Jul 01 01:22:42 <bubby323> ^
Jul 01 01:22:51 <bubby323> Thats how I see it.
Jul 01 01:22:58 <bubby323> But I see both sides too.
Jul 01 01:23:00 <fxspec06> good point.
Jul 01 01:23:14 <Popple3> rwhitby: I agree. But my issue was beyond my control. The API I'm using changed suddenly, and broke my app
Jul 01 01:23:19 <rwhitby> Popple3: but an email to pdc can't hurt
Jul 01 01:23:26 <rwatkins> rwhitby: you could say the same about HP and lack of a basic camera app on the tablet too
Jul 01 01:23:33 <rwatkins> its not that clear a line
Jul 01 01:23:46 <rwhitby> rwatkins: you sure can say that - it's very true.
Jul 01 01:24:05 <rwatkins> HP clearly dropped the ball on a number of items for the release.  and they set the date!
Jul 01 01:24:22 <fxspec06> you would think though that they would be taking apps and app submissions very seriously, especially *right now*
Jul 01 01:24:40 <rwhitby> I'm sure HP has app developers internally saying "I just need this one update to the Email client" and they are getting the same answer the day before launch.
Jul 01 01:24:55 <rwhitby> fxspec06: you think they are not?
Jul 01 01:25:10 <fxspec06> no, they do.
Jul 01 01:25:15 <rwhitby> fxspec06: do you have any comprehension of what they would be doing right now?
Jul 01 01:25:23 <rwhitby> how many apps they are processing?
Jul 01 01:25:26 <fxspec06> no i really don't
Jul 01 01:25:30 <halfhalo> many
Jul 01 01:25:34 <rwhitby> what other issues they are dealing with?
Jul 01 01:25:50 <fxspec06> i don't know what it's like in the corporate world
Jul 01 01:26:00 <haeffb> rwhitby: no more than 6300ish
Jul 01 01:26:03 <rwhitby> complaining about response time hours before product launch is frankly a bit precious.
Jul 01 01:26:56 <rwatkins> hey, you got 2 hrs and 37 minutes to go .. so maybe! :)
Jul 01 01:27:25 <fxspec06> this is all a huge learning experience for me
Jul 01 01:27:27 <rwhitby> Popple3: but you should continue to bombard every communication avenue you have available to you, since it's the #1 priority for you
Jul 01 01:28:03 <rwhitby> it's at this time that a squeaky wheel approach is most effective
Jul 01 01:29:16 * rwatkins hates the squeeky wheel and tends to later just tune them out.  So be careful.
Jul 01 01:29:21 <rwhitby> just don't get upset when you're ignored :)
Jul 01 01:29:28 <rwhitby> rwatkins: snap
Jul 01 01:29:47 <fxspec06> it's so much fun to feel involved in this.
Jul 01 01:30:01 <fxspec06> especially after working so hard for the last two months
Jul 01 01:30:08 <fxspec06> scrambling to meet my goal of july 1st
Jul 01 01:30:59 <rwatkins> rwhitby: you were pretty close to the *plonk* kill file yourself for the app catalog geo restrictions yourself, on my list.
Jul 01 01:31:23 * Popple3 crosses fingers
Jul 01 01:31:33 <rwhitby> rwatkins: yep, I know.
Jul 01 01:33:12 <fxspec06> i have another question: do i have to mark my app as "Compatible with : Palm Pre, Palm Pre2" && touchpad for the TP users to see it? or will they see it anyways?
Jul 01 01:33:37 <rwhitby> your app is seen on those devices for which you have marked it compatible
Jul 01 01:33:44 <rwhitby> and no others
Jul 01 01:33:44 <fxspec06> makes sense
Jul 01 01:35:49 <rwatkins> nice.  plug in usb.  click "usb drive".  reboot!  *sigh*
Jul 01 01:36:02 <haeffb> rwatkins: yep
Jul 01 01:38:32 <Popple3> "We’re on this, the multi-app package is scheduled to go out tonight" Awesome :D <3 Adora
Jul 01 01:38:43 <roy-pre101> woo
Jul 01 01:39:07 <rwatkins> heh
Jul 01 01:40:08 <fxspec06> from email? Popple3
Jul 01 01:40:15 <Popple3> fxspec06: Yup
Jul 01 01:40:43 <fxspec06> niceeee.
Jul 01 01:44:35 <Popple3> I can sleep now
Jul 01 01:44:39 <Popple3> lol
Jul 01 01:44:42 <Popple3> night guys!
Jul 01 01:47:47 <fxspec06> night Popple!
Jul 01 01:52:26 <rwatkins> so apparently the app review team is just working all thru the night
Jul 01 01:53:34 <fxspec06> wow, so i reorganized my workspace, and had to re-load my project into eclipse..... i just found the outline column =O would have loved to know this earlier!
Jul 01 01:54:13 <haeffb> outline column =0 ?
Jul 01 01:55:15 <fxspec06> it's called a 'view'
Jul 01 01:55:30 <fxspec06> shows all your functions and variables
Jul 01 01:55:43 <fxspec06> in a neat little list
Jul 01 01:55:49 <PatrickC> sdk out?
Jul 01 01:55:51 <fxspec06> you can click on it and it takes you to it
Jul 01 02:00:13 <haeffb> fxspec06: oh, yeah.
Jul 01 02:00:29 <haeffb> except that it doesn't work for enyo kinds :(
Jul 01 02:00:35 * PatrickC wanders in
Jul 01 02:00:51 <haeffb> fxspec06: also, if you haven't already, look into the "Validator" window
Jul 01 02:00:59 <fxspec06> hi patrick! you been hiding under a rock lately?
Jul 01 02:01:16 <haeffb> s/Validator/Validation
Jul 01 02:02:45 <PatrickC> fxspec06: watching TV hehe
Jul 01 02:02:47 <fxspec06> honestly there's so many features of eclips that I haven't looked at... i'll have to take a day and probably go through the help file.
Jul 01 02:02:47 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 01 02:02:57 <PatrickC> gotta change the pool filter
Jul 01 02:03:08 <fxspec06> i'm watching futurama, but i saw this one wednesday
Jul 01 02:03:29 <fxspec06> i can't find the validator
Jul 01 02:05:18 <fxspec06> ohhh under window/show view/other/apanta/validation?
Jul 01 02:05:59 <haeffb> yep
Jul 01 02:06:07 <fxspec06> DAMNN.
Jul 01 02:06:14 <haeffb> and then it will show you where you went wrong... :)
Jul 01 02:06:16 <fxspec06> omg, that would have been so useful
Jul 01 02:06:22 <fxspec06> >.<
Jul 01 02:06:30 <fxspec06> good thing theres no errors NOW
Jul 01 02:06:33 <fxspec06> after it's DONE
Jul 01 02:06:34 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 01 02:06:44 <fxspec06> (done for now, anyways)
Jul 01 02:06:57 <haeffb> that's the main reason I can't leave eclipse
Jul 01 02:07:30 <fxspec06> that's awesome. one million billion thanks to you
Jul 01 02:07:33 <rwatkins> emacs js2mode FTW.  built to be a js interpreter so can really validate your code.
Jul 01 02:08:49 <rwhitby> rwatkins: I wish there was a setting to say "forget about warning me about hanging commas"
Jul 01 02:09:09 <rwhitby> but other than that is is indeed awesome
Jul 01 02:09:48 <fxspec06> that is an extra step better.
Jul 01 02:10:13 <rwatkins> rwhitby: ah, i usually dont leave the trailing comma, having done alot of webdev and dealing with the IE JS parser.
Jul 01 02:10:56 <rwatkins> do find the warning about "return inconsistent" or however the put it annoying, but learned to tune it out.
Jul 01 02:11:24 <rwatkins> now off to a party to get some food, drink and entertainment at HPs expense.
Jul 01 02:11:37 <rwatkins> then buy me a TP and download my own app from the production app catalog!  :)
Jul 01 02:11:52 <rwatkins> < 2 hrs.  woot.
Jul 01 02:11:52 * fxspec06 is about as jealous as one can get of rwatkins
Jul 01 02:11:55 <halfhalo> good man!
Jul 01 02:12:42 <rwatkins> jealous will be the other waiting till midnight and seeing my dev TP already?  >:)
Jul 01 02:13:13 <rwatkins> later all .. enjoy the launch and your apps going out into the public.
Jul 01 02:17:02 <haeffb> emacs 22 or 23 ?
Jul 01 02:19:27 * PatrickC wanders back in from the dark
Jul 01 02:22:11 * haeffb thinks emacs not for me
Jul 01 02:24:18 * fxspec06 is loving every second of every american dad episode, ever
Jul 01 02:27:06 <funkatron> so.
Jul 01 02:27:26 <fxspec06> buttons.
Jul 01 02:27:42 <funkatron> yep
Jul 01 02:28:55 * CTLAdvance is loving every second of every king of the hill episode, ever
Jul 01 02:30:07 * fxspec06 thinks king of the hill is for rednecks
Jul 01 02:30:36 * CTLAdvance thinks that fxspec06 misses the oint of king of the hill
Jul 01 02:30:44 * CTLAdvance point*
Jul 01 02:31:00 * CTLAdvance ill tell you hwut
Jul 01 02:31:08 * fxspec06 wut
Jul 01 02:31:21 * fxspec06 i've seen it a few times. just never really got into it
Jul 01 02:32:06 * CTLAdvance yeah it was an aquired taste to watch
Jul 01 02:32:26 * fxspec06 why are we talking like this
Jul 01 02:32:41 * CTLAdvance I also like american data but havent gotten there yet, 66/259 koth episodes... then will pick whats next
Jul 01 02:32:55 * CTLAdvance s/data/dad
Jul 01 02:33:02 * CTLAdvance I am not sure
Jul 01 02:33:16 <dohtem> mattsmcnulty!
Jul 01 02:33:21 <mattsmcnulty> shouldn't you all be waiting in line overnight?
Jul 01 02:33:24 * fxspec06 american data is also acquired taste. hated it at first
Jul 01 02:33:32 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jul 01 02:33:34 <dohtem> nope :)
Jul 01 02:33:41 <dohtem> it's available everywhere!
Jul 01 02:33:43 <bubby323> rwhitby i got everything pulled but some of them came up empty with nothing inside
Jul 01 02:33:48 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: already got one :)
Jul 01 02:33:50 <bubby323> is that normal?
Jul 01 02:33:55 <CTLAdvance> lol wait in line for a touchpad, that would require a free touchpadstone
Jul 01 02:33:57 <bubby323> like the boot tar
Jul 01 02:34:14 <mattsmcnulty> well rwhitby if we are playing the who's on the inside game...
Jul 01 02:34:19 <mattsmcnulty> :-P
Jul 01 02:34:25 <rwhitby> ;)
Jul 01 02:34:46 <halfhalo> hah
Jul 01 02:34:49 <rwhitby> just installed Quake from the webos-internals feed on the touchpad
Jul 01 02:35:06 <fxspec06> i would wait in line, but i have zero money, and even if i did, there would not be a line at walmart today. i would easily be able to make it there by the time they open, since it's like 3 mins away
Jul 01 02:35:24 <rwhitby> the demo runs nicely, but with no way to bring up the keyboard I can't start the real game :)
Jul 01 02:35:42 <mattsmcnulty> lines at walmart are only for $99 blu ray players at thanksgiving
Jul 01 02:35:43 <CTLAdvance> yeah there prob wont be a line tonight
Jul 01 02:35:51 <CTLAdvance> maybe we will see one in coming weeks?
Jul 01 02:35:58 <fxspec06> in the coming months.
Jul 01 02:36:06 <CTLAdvance> I was being optimistic
Jul 01 02:36:17 <fxspec06> haven't you learned yet? =p
Jul 01 02:36:35 <roy-pre101> oh, the webOSradio live Q&A is going on now, btw.
Jul 01 02:36:37 <CTLAdvance> I was a big detractor for a while, now I am back to being optimistic
Jul 01 02:36:43 <CTLAdvance> :)
Jul 01 02:37:22 <fxspec06> i'm usually optimistic. i'm cranky and dumb after i've been up for a while though
Jul 01 02:37:56 <fxspec06> which is why i watch cartoons and who's line
Jul 01 02:38:31 <rwhitby> awesome. BT keyboard can be used to control Quake
Jul 01 02:39:05 <fxspec06> that is awesome !!
Jul 01 02:40:25 <mattsmcnulty> thoughts on the russell brand ad?
Jul 01 02:41:38 <CTLAdvance> I get cranky when I have to cob job a phone to work on sprint :)
Jul 01 02:41:58 <CTLAdvance> then ask myself why I did that
Jul 01 02:42:02 <CTLAdvance> :)
Jul 01 02:42:37 <CTLAdvance> russell brand...
Jul 01 02:42:40 <CTLAdvance> let me watch
Jul 01 02:43:01 <mattsmcnulty> it's no creepy girl, but it will have to do
Jul 01 02:43:04 <funkatron> so how do I make my dev touchpad get the real app cat?
Jul 01 02:43:27 <fxspec06> russell brand........
Jul 01 02:43:28 <dohtem> lol @ creepy girl
Jul 01 02:43:30 <mattsmcnulty> webos doctor it in a couple days
Jul 01 02:43:35 <mattsmcnulty> when those are released
Jul 01 02:43:44 <bubby323> @funkatron update
Jul 01 02:44:06 <funkatron> bubby323: erm
Jul 01 02:44:15 <funkatron> well I did try that a couple hours ago
Jul 01 02:44:19 <CTLAdvance> umm
Jul 01 02:44:38 <bubby323> Chuq says there will be an update sometime 'soon' which I take as the middle of next week.
Jul 01 02:44:41 <CTLAdvance> maybe creepy girl would have been better?
Jul 01 02:44:55 <CTLAdvance> yeah he told me that today as well
Jul 01 02:44:55 * funkatron smashes device
Jul 01 02:44:59 <bubby323> I like russell.
Jul 01 02:45:01 <mattsmcnulty> I think they should do a companion viral ad that is russell brand, in the original creepy girl ad
Jul 01 02:45:03 * Tibfib smashes funkatron
Jul 01 02:45:04 * bubby323 dislikes waiting
Jul 01 02:45:09 <Tibfib> :)
Jul 01 02:45:12 <CTLAdvance> that would be epic
Jul 01 02:45:20 <Tibfib> heheh
Jul 01 02:45:25 <CTLAdvance> funkatron can you send me your pieces
Jul 01 02:45:34 <bubby323> +1
Jul 01 02:45:36 <bubby323> Lol
Jul 01 02:45:54 <funkatron> "will it blend"
Jul 01 02:45:55 * CTLAdvance is taking touchpad donations
Jul 01 02:46:00 <fxspec06> russell's pretty cool dude
Jul 01 02:46:01 <Tibfib> WE CAN TALK ABOUT ENYO YAYAYAY
Jul 01 02:46:07 <CTLAdvance> I just found 20+ computers I didnt realize I had today
Jul 01 02:46:09 <Tibfib> but now I have no questions or anything for everyone
Jul 01 02:46:11 <Tibfib> :(
Jul 01 02:46:16 <CTLAdvance> one of them has a turbo button
Jul 01 02:46:22 <CTLAdvance> works like nothing else
Jul 01 02:46:30 <fxspec06> i have like four xbox's in my closet
Jul 01 02:46:34 <bubby323> Lol so the precentral forums are now the mobile ones for computer too? I guess that means they are working on fixing it. http://forums.precentral.net/
Jul 01 02:46:34 <fxspec06> all broken
Jul 01 02:46:38 <fxspec06> works like nothing else
Jul 01 02:47:10 <roy-pre101> mattsmcnulty: Hey man.  You getting some breathing room now?
Jul 01 02:47:12 <funkatron> is it bad that I don't read the p|c forums because I just think they're super ugly?
Jul 01 02:47:22 <fxspec06> p|c forums work fine for me.
Jul 01 02:47:23 <funkatron> mattsmcnulty: no he's not, I'm up in his grill
Jul 01 02:47:30 <CTLAdvance> I had 8 towers and about 12 laptops
Jul 01 02:47:40 <fxspec06> funkatron: everyone has their preference.
Jul 01 02:47:41 <CTLAdvance> 13 if you count my 1993 thinkpad
Jul 01 02:47:51 <funkatron> fxspec06: indeed
Jul 01 02:48:02 <mattsmcnulty> roy-pre101: breathing room for me is always short-lived, but came early in the month
Jul 01 02:48:04 <fxspec06> i haven't looked anywhere else, i just happened to start on precentral
Jul 01 02:48:20 <roy-pre101> mattsmcnulty: Maybe we can actually get together next time I'm in Sunnyvale.
Jul 01 02:48:22 <mattsmcnulty> funkatron is always up in my grill, but it's all for a good cause
Jul 01 02:48:29 <fxspec06> i have an extra dual-core p8400 processor, does that count for an extra computer?
Jul 01 02:48:35 <Tibfib> funkatron keeps people hones
Jul 01 02:48:36 <CTLAdvance> mattsmcnulty - so any info on dev devices?
Jul 01 02:48:36 <Tibfib> t
Jul 01 02:48:44 <CTLAdvance> other then get one at walmart tonight?
Jul 01 02:48:47 <mattsmcnulty> I'm not in the loop on dev devices, sorry
Jul 01 02:48:48 <CTLAdvance> :)
Jul 01 02:48:57 * Tibfib reaaaallly hopes that dev discounts are handed out quickly and promptly
Jul 01 02:49:04 * CTLAdvance agrees
Jul 01 02:49:05 <Tibfib> not the weeks that it took for the pre2
Jul 01 02:49:06 * fxspec06 is taking free touchpads
Jul 01 02:49:16 * bubby323 who wants one?
Jul 01 02:49:29 * bubby323 me!
Jul 01 02:49:34 <fxspec06> hey, i'm surprised they even sent me a pre2!!
Jul 01 02:49:40 <funkatron> I'm totally sticking it to Tibfib
Jul 01 02:49:41 <bubby323> Same here.
Jul 01 02:49:42 <fxspec06> i didn't even have an app in the cat then
Jul 01 02:49:44 <roy-pre101> mattsmcnulty: Should be in Sunnyvale the week of the 18th.
Jul 01 02:49:58 <mattsmcnulty> I'll start offering touchpads to people who make the apps I need now
Jul 01 02:50:10 <Tibfib> Spaz HD
Jul 01 02:50:16 <bubby323> Already made :P
Jul 01 02:50:19 <mattsmcnulty> roy-pre101: around the beginning of that week, then to NYC for a while
Jul 01 02:50:20 <bubby323> and he has one.
Jul 01 02:50:21 <roy-pre101> I could use one to finish up webOSroundup 2 go and Lopan. :)
Jul 01 02:50:23 * halfhalo got vlc working, does that count for a free device?
Jul 01 02:50:27 <fxspec06> i'd begin, butttttttttttt waiting for that SDK
Jul 01 02:50:32 <mattsmcnulty> spas, the star of many reviews
Jul 01 02:50:39 <mattsmcnulty> sdk is tomorrow
Jul 01 02:50:46 <fxspec06> yippeeee
Jul 01 02:50:49 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: that's funkatron, mine, and a few others' babies
Jul 01 02:50:53 <Tibfib> baby*
Jul 01 02:50:58 <mattsmcnulty> Tibfib: (I know)
Jul 01 02:51:05 <Tibfib> YOU BETTTER
Jul 01 02:51:12 <mattsmcnulty> I was twitter DMing Ed last night about it
Jul 01 02:51:22 <funkatron> he was!
Jul 01 02:51:23 <Tibfib> oh yeah
Jul 01 02:51:28 <Tibfib> did you say "Spaz Sucks" ?
Jul 01 02:51:38 <mattsmcnulty> nope, just congratulated on the press
Jul 01 02:51:47 <Tibfib> cool cool
Jul 01 02:52:11 <Tibfib> I'm excited to get a touchpad so I can tune the ux
Jul 01 02:52:20 <sugardave> vroom vroom
Jul 01 02:52:32 <mattsmcnulty> someone from your team was at one of the dev days in sunnyvale
Jul 01 02:52:38 <Tibfib> yep!
Jul 01 02:52:41 <Tibfib> daniel
Jul 01 02:52:44 <Tibfib> he's often in irc
Jul 01 02:52:54 <Tibfib> I was hoping to go, but couldn't
Jul 01 02:52:54 <mattsmcnulty> I stopped into that session for like 5 minutes
Jul 01 02:52:58 <Tibfib> being a minor sucks
Jul 01 02:53:13 * halfhalo was in that session
Jul 01 02:53:22 <fxspec06> anyone here from boston area?
Jul 01 02:53:34 <mattsmcnulty> my brother is at the party in NYC at best buy union sq
Jul 01 02:53:55 <mattsmcnulty> I think he brought his foleo, too
Jul 01 02:54:18 <Loudergood> fxspec06: I'm about 10 miles from the end of I-93...problem is..it's the north end of I-93
Jul 01 02:54:47 <Tibfib> ughhh, I'm not a fan of the new gmail theme
Jul 01 02:55:08 <mattsmcnulty> looks like they just deleted a stylesheet
Jul 01 02:55:13 <Tibfib> seriously
Jul 01 02:55:18 <fxspec06> lol i-93.. isn't that right next to the opening to the cape
Jul 01 02:55:21 <mattsmcnulty> whoops, we forgot to stye it
Jul 01 02:55:33 <halfhalo> call it a feature!
Jul 01 02:55:41 <roy-pre101> Surprising you can't use the arrows to move between apps when in card view with the BT keyboard.
Jul 01 02:56:09 <mattsmcnulty> I've never used the bt keyboard
Jul 01 02:56:10 <fxspec06> i'm just south of worcester
Jul 01 02:56:23 <mattsmcnulty> we had two on the team, but the engineers doing most of the keyboard interaction had em
Jul 01 02:56:23 <fxspec06> there's a meetup in sept
Jul 01 02:56:38 <mattsmcnulty> BC alum here
Jul 01 02:57:58 <Loudergood> fxspec06: I mean the north end of 93..up in Vermont...but still...something in boston at the right time could draw me down
Jul 01 02:58:12 <haeffb> mattsmcnulty: reorderable lists ???
Jul 01 02:58:16 <fxspec06> ohhhhhh vermont.
Jul 01 02:58:30 <mattsmcnulty> haeffb: you can't talk about that. oh wait, shit
Jul 01 02:58:31 <fxspec06> yeah it's the 17th, saturday
Jul 01 02:58:32 <haeffb> mattsmcnulty: oh, and congrats!
Jul 01 02:58:37 <fxspec06> there's a sign-up form if you want
Jul 01 02:58:42 <haeffb> lol
Jul 01 02:58:54 <mattsmcnulty> reorderable drag and drop infinite lists - turns out are kind of hard
Jul 01 02:59:13 <fxspec06> http://bit.ly/webos-boston-signup
Jul 01 02:59:13 <haeffb> that's why we pay you to do it...
Jul 01 02:59:22 <haeffb> duh
Jul 01 02:59:30 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, it fell off the list pretty late in the game, will be there at some point soonish
Jul 01 02:59:46 <fxspec06> a ton of things that you just assume will be easy... turn out to be kind of hard
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