**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 02 02:59:57 2011
Jul 02 03:00:24 <cxreg> ok then
Jul 02 03:01:04 <cxreg> hrm, apparently i need a new novacomd
Jul 02 03:01:33 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 02 03:04:34 <Deihmos> i thought the pad kindle
Jul 02 03:04:45 <Deihmos> had
Jul 02 03:05:50 <uncola> pad kindle?
Jul 02 03:06:02 <PuffTheMagic> { <- open stash } <- close stash
Jul 02 03:06:03 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Jul 02 03:06:48 <cxreg> hm, maybe things dont work like they used to.  do you still need novacomd?
Jul 02 03:07:38 <cxreg> guess you do
Jul 02 03:09:19 <cxreg> ah there we go, nice happy root shell
Jul 02 03:09:29 <Deihmos> I thought the tablet had kindle app
Jul 02 03:09:44 <cxreg> doesnt seem to be ready yet
Jul 02 03:10:24 <cxreg> whoa, 239 mounts.  these tmpfs jail mounts are weird.
Jul 02 03:10:44 <Deihmos> that seems to always be the story
Jul 02 03:11:17 <rwhitby> cxreg: yeah, there's about 15 mounts per PDK app. it's a mess.
Jul 02 03:18:38 <mattsmcnulty> happy touchpad launch day
Jul 02 03:18:46 <halfhalo> heh
Jul 02 03:19:00 <summatusmentis> I played with one today, shiny
Jul 02 03:19:22 <haeffb> mattsmcnulty: same to you. the touchpad is awesome!
Jul 02 03:19:33 <mattsmcnulty> thanks!
Jul 02 03:20:04 <haeffb> just waiting for netflix, kindle, etc... :)
Jul 02 03:20:33 <Tibfib> hah
Jul 02 03:20:46 * Tibfib is just waiting for his dev coupon
Jul 02 03:21:02 <uncola> do you think that if amazon makes a tablet, it might run webos?
Jul 02 03:21:11 <uncola> instead of android as widely speculated?
Jul 02 03:21:12 <Tibfib> I was thinking about amazon earlier
Jul 02 03:21:21 <Tibfib> amazon and hp should partner and become best friends
Jul 02 03:21:32 <uncola> that does seem like a good fit to me
Jul 02 03:21:36 <Tibfib> too late now.
Jul 02 03:21:36 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: the  dev coupon % varies from dev to dev right?
Jul 02 03:21:42 <fxspec06> i saw one in a picture today, looked shiny
Jul 02 03:21:44 <mattsmcnulty> personally I think amazon is an amazing company. have thought that for years - before I was at palm
Jul 02 03:21:44 <Tibfib> but amazon has movies, music
Jul 02 03:21:48 * haeffb is seriously going to have to re-write this weather channel app for my personal use
Jul 02 03:21:52 <Tibfib> LoneStar: yep
Jul 02 03:21:57 <LoneStar99> i like amazon
Jul 02 03:21:59 <PatrickC> LoneStar99: yes
Jul 02 03:22:02 <haeffb> unless we get a good weather app soon
Jul 02 03:22:09 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: hey!!
Jul 02 03:22:12 <Tibfib> yeah, amazon would be a great content partner
Jul 02 03:22:15 <PatrickC> haeffb: haha
Jul 02 03:22:17 <mattsmcnulty> they have a strategy, to be the infrastructure for absolutely everything, that no one is even close to
Jul 02 03:22:27 <LoneStar99> so we will receive the coupns automatically via email?
Jul 02 03:22:31 * haeffb loves amazon
Jul 02 03:22:42 <uncola> yeah I order from them whenever possible.. even over newegg
Jul 02 03:22:49 <mattsmcnulty> met some architects there like 3 years ago, all were awesome too
Jul 02 03:22:54 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: sooooo, are you guys planning on adding threaded messaging or true gmail support to the email app?
Jul 02 03:23:15 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: how will the discount be applied for tuchpads?
Jul 02 03:23:15 <mattsmcnulty> you suddenly think I am going to start throwing future plans out there? you know me better than that
Jul 02 03:23:21 <PatrickC> touchpads*
Jul 02 03:23:26 <halfhalo> chaos monkey.  wait, thats netflix
Jul 02 03:23:30 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: No, I don't expect you too
Jul 02 03:23:33 <Tibfib> to*
Jul 02 03:23:34 <mattsmcnulty> hee
Jul 02 03:23:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 03:23:39 <Tibfib> might as well ask
Jul 02 03:23:41 <Tibfib> it's needed.
Jul 02 03:23:43 <LoneStar99> i used to buy tons of books from amazon, will again soon, but for the kindle... once i get the kindle...
Jul 02 03:23:45 <mattsmcnulty> yup, points for trying
Jul 02 03:24:04 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: fix kindle please
Jul 02 03:24:06 <haeffb> the facebook app icon is too big
Jul 02 03:24:10 <fxspec06> matt - is it possible to use dev & student discount
Jul 02 03:24:12 <mattsmcnulty> working on it
Jul 02 03:24:14 <mattsmcnulty> no idae
Jul 02 03:24:16 <mattsmcnulty> idea
Jul 02 03:24:23 <fxspec06> that's the hot question
Jul 02 03:24:27 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 02 03:24:28 * haeffb trying hard to find things to complain about
Jul 02 03:24:33 <mattsmcnulty> I'm not in marketing, so I don't really know anything about that stuff
Jul 02 03:24:35 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&start=0
Jul 02 03:24:51 <mattsmcnulty> adora or someone would be better able to those kinds of questions
Jul 02 03:25:15 <cxreg> is netflix a confirmed one, or just a hopeful?
Jul 02 03:25:26 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: also, just a random thought I had. (I know this isn't your area): http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/86955180599410688
Jul 02 03:25:58 <Tibfib> I'm done pestering you :)
Jul 02 03:26:00 <Tibfib> for now.
Jul 02 03:26:04 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 03:26:09 <mattsmcnulty> rearranging stacks based on focus would be possibly confusing
Jul 02 03:26:20 <PatrickC> make it a preference
Jul 02 03:26:28 <Tibfib> possibly, but I think most users expect the last focused thing to be on top
Jul 02 03:26:29 <PatrickC> or at least make it patchable :)
Jul 02 03:26:29 <mattsmcnulty> that's a cop-out
Jul 02 03:26:30 <Tibfib> I know I do
Jul 02 03:26:38 <mattsmcnulty> make everything a preference and pretty soon it is windows
Jul 02 03:26:50 <Tibfib> 50% I zoom out of a card to close it.
Jul 02 03:26:54 <halfhalo> what, have to reboot every half an hour?
Jul 02 03:26:55 <haeffb> make it right the first time
Jul 02 03:26:56 <Tibfib> 50% of those times I close the wrong card.
Jul 02 03:27:15 <mattsmcnulty> so 50% of the time you are right
Jul 02 03:27:18 <haeffb> cxreg: I am hopeful
Jul 02 03:27:19 <mattsmcnulty> common, think positive
Jul 02 03:27:19 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: make it patchable :)
Jul 02 03:27:25 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 03:27:36 <mattsmcnulty> your cards are half full
Jul 02 03:27:42 <haeffb> I'm going to assume it's coming until it doesn't
Jul 02 03:27:43 <Tibfib> hah
Jul 02 03:27:59 * PatrickC wants a touchpad!
Jul 02 03:28:06 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: just a thought I had. :)
Jul 02 03:28:28 <PatrickC> </vent>
Jul 02 03:28:42 <fxspec06> how about split screen two card view?
Jul 02 03:28:48 <fxspec06> unlike windows 8
Jul 02 03:29:00 <mattsmcnulty> so we are actually designing by committee now?
Jul 02 03:29:00 <PatrickC> how about we let them work on getting the dev discounts out :)
Jul 02 03:29:06 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 02 03:29:09 <mattsmcnulty> lol
Jul 02 03:29:10 <PatrickC> yes we are
Jul 02 03:29:15 <fxspec06> yes!
Jul 02 03:29:17 <Tibfib> fxspec06: that'd work with mojo apps
Jul 02 03:29:25 <mattsmcnulty> with what apps? what's this mojo?
Jul 02 03:29:25 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 02 03:29:41 <cxreg> woot, updated preware, lookin good
Jul 02 03:29:42 <Tibfib> the old crufty stuff
Jul 02 03:29:43 <summatusmentis> guh, this is not going well
Jul 02 03:29:46 <fxspec06> also how about putting the mojo apps in their own stack in their own card
Jul 02 03:29:56 <fxspec06> like you have 'mojo cards'
Jul 02 03:29:59 <summatusmentis> I guess I'll look this weekend
Jul 02 03:30:04 <summatusmentis> enyou is hard :(
Jul 02 03:30:06 <fxspec06> dunno how that would work though
Jul 02 03:30:07 <summatusmentis> enyo*
Jul 02 03:30:14 <halfhalo> its all havascript
Jul 02 03:30:21 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: something that may interest you: https://github.com/Tibfib/EKL
Jul 02 03:30:22 <summatusmentis> ok, javascript is hard
Jul 02 03:30:28 <fxspec06> havascript!!! i've been learning the wrong thing this whole time
Jul 02 03:30:34 <halfhalo> callback hell
Jul 02 03:30:38 <Tibfib> it started with Spaz, and is being built on
Jul 02 03:30:46 <fxspec06> you just have to trace your steps
Jul 02 03:30:49 <mattsmcnulty> tibfib: yeah, we all saw that right away - Scott was checking it out as soon as it went live - was pretty stunned/happy someone got it up that fast
Jul 02 03:30:51 <fxspec06> everything happens in order
Jul 02 03:31:01 <fxspec06> everything is connected
Jul 02 03:31:02 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: good to hear
Jul 02 03:31:33 <LoneStar99> anyone have a working enyo slider in there app?
Jul 02 03:31:35 <mattsmcnulty> wow I am dehydrated
Jul 02 03:31:50 <Tibfib> LoneStar: I think so in Spaz
Jul 02 03:31:52 <Tibfib> lemme check
Jul 02 03:31:52 <fxspec06> i could make one tomorrow
Jul 02 03:32:02 <halfhalo> someone think of something cool to do with this thing.
Jul 02 03:32:04 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: I mean, yeah, I know, I'm sure I'll figure it out, but I can't make this happen tonight
Jul 02 03:32:14 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: yeah we have a sliding pane
Jul 02 03:32:23 <PatrickC> halfhalo: what thing?
Jul 02 03:32:29 <LoneStar99> is the spaz code opensource?
Jul 02 03:32:41 <halfhalo> TP.  Its sitting here with a blank x server mocking me.
Jul 02 03:32:43 <mattsmcnulty> my mom went and bought a touchpad today
Jul 02 03:32:43 <Tibfib> YESS
Jul 02 03:33:02 <PatrickC> halfhalo: install OOO
Jul 02 03:33:02 <mattsmcnulty> made the local clueless bestbuy go find them in back
Jul 02 03:33:16 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 02 03:33:24 <summatusmentis> when I went to best buy, the TP was hiding
Jul 02 03:33:29 <rwhitby> cxreg: transfer files to touchpad over wifi using openssh sftp server in preware
Jul 02 03:33:34 <halfhalo> PatrickC: done that
Jul 02 03:33:38 * PatrickC hasn't made it to bestbuy yet
Jul 02 03:33:46 <cxreg> i take that back, it's hanging while trying to update prepare :(
Jul 02 03:33:49 <fxspec06> they were supposed to put it out front
Jul 02 03:33:53 <PatrickC> halfhalo: install Java and run Ares?
Jul 02 03:33:59 <cxreg> rwhitby: yeah, that's my plan
Jul 02 03:34:04 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  is there a link to the code, have stripped my app of all code except slider code and it does not seem to render
Jul 02 03:34:18 <halfhalo> when I was in a BB about a week back there was a spot for the TP's right in the middle of the computer section
Jul 02 03:34:20 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: http://github.com/Funkatron/Spaz-Enyo/
Jul 02 03:34:29 <halfhalo> PatrickC: once again, done that
Jul 02 03:34:33 <cxreg> btw the speakers are as awesome as advertised
Jul 02 03:34:42 <PatrickC> halfhalo: OC it!
Jul 02 03:34:52 <Tibfib> is the kernel source even released?
Jul 02 03:34:55 <mattsmcnulty> I'll go to the best buy by my house tomorrow and harass them if I don't see them doing it right
Jul 02 03:34:56 <PatrickC> idk lol
Jul 02 03:35:04 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: thnaks
Jul 02 03:35:09 <PatrickC> mattsmcnulty: hahaha
Jul 02 03:35:18 <rwhitby> Tibfib: no, usually takes a couple of weeks to a month after doctor
Jul 02 03:35:32 <Tibfib> ah
Jul 02 03:36:54 * halfhalo goes off to search npm for something to play with
Jul 02 03:37:21 <PatrickC> halfhalo: install Ubuntu Network edition
Jul 02 03:37:41 <halfhalo> you mean netbook?
Jul 02 03:37:46 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  what is the file called with the slider code?
Jul 02 03:37:51 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 02 03:37:53 <Tibfib> Spaz.js
Jul 02 03:38:00 <PatrickC> stupid auto correct
Jul 02 03:38:13 <PatrickC> make it a dualboot touchpad
Jul 02 03:38:20 <LoneStar99> ok thanks
Jul 02 03:38:21 <halfhalo> I have a full ubuntu chroot setup.  Gnome/KDE/XFCE all need dbus though
Jul 02 03:38:40 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 02 03:38:45 <PatrickC> you went full force
Jul 02 03:39:20 <PatrickC> halfhalo: make an app
Jul 02 03:39:45 <summatusmentis> yeah, just whip one up, it's so easy :-/
Jul 02 03:40:41 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: yeah, I know! :D
Jul 02 03:41:03 * halfhalo has project! getting a node ffmpeg to flash module all nice and tidy for use on device
Jul 02 03:41:47 <akanster> lol summatusmentis
Jul 02 03:42:01 <halfhalo> then I'll stick an app in front of it to launch it
Jul 02 03:42:14 <fxspec06> so how do i change my profile info on the forums
Jul 02 03:43:03 <PatrickC> I forget
Jul 02 03:43:35 <fxspec06> well remember!
Jul 02 03:43:43 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 03:43:56 <PatrickC> click on your username at the top (by the logout button)
Jul 02 03:44:04 <PuffTheMagic> funkatron, ping
Jul 02 03:44:05 <PatrickC> then click board preferences (iirc)
Jul 02 03:44:13 <funkatron> mmmm jes?
Jul 02 03:44:17 <PatrickC> and click * avatar
Jul 02 03:44:31 <PuffTheMagic> you are using oauth2 for spaz right?
Jul 02 03:44:45 <funkatron> I think you mean oAuth v2?
Jul 02 03:44:57 <Loudergood> he's having lots of fun with it
Jul 02 03:45:00 <PatrickC> funkatron: I keep getting 401 errors in spaz.. normal?
Jul 02 03:45:17 <Tibfib> PatrickC: use the app better.
Jul 02 03:45:26 <funkatron> One at a time, people.
Jul 02 03:45:36 <funkatron> PuffTheMagic: and no, I am not. If you mean to connect with Twitter: it uses oAuth v1
Jul 02 03:45:39 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  this is the code I am using from the examples but does not render a slider... http://pastebin.com/euDkReC7
Jul 02 03:45:44 <PatrickC> Tibfib: lol what causes those? it keeps complaining about oauth
Jul 02 03:45:52 <Tibfib> PatrickC: dunno
Jul 02 03:46:14 <funkatron> PatrickC: 401 errors? no. 403 errors? yes. Read the numerous messages I've posted on the @spaz account on Twitter about it, or http://j.mp/spaz403
Jul 02 03:46:21 <PuffTheMagic> funkatron, i've never used oauth before and this am im making will require it, just trying to figure out where to start
Jul 02 03:46:24 <fxspec06> aha
Jul 02 03:46:34 <PatrickC> funkatron: they aren't 403 errors
Jul 02 03:46:36 <funkatron> PuffTheMagic: you will need a library that does it for you
Jul 02 03:46:44 <PatrickC> those went away.. now I get 401 errors about OAuth
Jul 02 03:46:52 <funkatron> PatrickC: file at help.getspaz.com please. I am wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too burned out to deal with it.
Jul 02 03:47:00 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 02 03:47:00 <funkatron> but check the time on your device to make sure it's right
Jul 02 03:47:07 <PatrickC> it is
Jul 02 03:47:07 <Tibfib> yeah, do that
Jul 02 03:47:16 <PatrickC> I have clocksync fix it every 6 hrs
Jul 02 03:47:51 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: I don't think you are ever setting up a sliding pane
Jul 02 03:48:50 <LoneStar99> Tibfib:  oh no it is for enyo.slider
Jul 02 03:49:01 <Tibfib> LoneStar99: dunno how that works
Jul 02 03:49:12 <LoneStar99> oh ok,
Jul 02 03:49:30 <LoneStar99> must be something stupid I am overlooking
Jul 02 03:49:38 * halfhalo scratches that plan since he does not want to sit around while node compiles.
Jul 02 03:49:51 <cxreg> lol, BootupAnimation uses like 20% cpu
Jul 02 03:50:33 <PatrickC> cxreg: haha
Jul 02 03:50:48 <halfhalo> ok, enyo playing time it is.
Jul 02 03:50:48 <cxreg> so no patches yet, huh
Jul 02 03:51:03 <PatrickC> cxreg: fix that :)
Jul 02 03:51:08 <cxreg> heh :)
Jul 02 03:51:20 <PatrickC> I would.. but I don't have a touchpad filesystem to play with.. :)
Jul 02 03:51:24 <cxreg> i should ... ive managed to stay pretty ignorant on the whole making/publishing patches thing
Jul 02 03:51:34 <cxreg> i understand the principle though
Jul 02 03:51:35 <PatrickC> or a touchpad to test 'em on
Jul 02 03:51:44 <PatrickC> I've made some
Jul 02 03:51:48 <PatrickC> published 1
Jul 02 03:51:51 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 03:52:15 <cxreg> ok, so i dork around with a file, find something that works, then what?
Jul 02 03:52:21 <fxspec06> any way to do signiture align-right?
Jul 02 03:53:35 <PatrickC> cxreg: lets talk more in #webos-internals
Jul 02 03:57:57 <LoneStar99> tibfib got it just scraped all sorts of shit out
Jul 02 03:58:03 <Tibfib> nice
Jul 02 03:58:20 <LoneStar99> well have not tested, yet it only appears for now
Jul 02 04:03:39 <fxspec06> that's it, time for a new avatar for everywhere
Jul 02 04:04:20 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 04:07:49 <PatrickC> Tibfib, funkatron: help.getspaz.com doesn't seem to be letting me post a discussion
Jul 02 04:08:08 <cxreg> app catalog just updated
Jul 02 04:08:24 <funkatron> PatrickC: no way I can help you if you don't give me details 8)
Jul 02 04:08:46 <PatrickC> funkatron: it just said "Something went wrong, we have been notified"
Jul 02 04:08:52 <PatrickC> no 404, 500, etc. error
Jul 02 04:09:11 <funkatron> PatrickC: imagine you're me, and you told me that. I wouldn't know where this is happening, what you did, etc.
Jul 02 04:09:15 <PatrickC> "We're sorry, but something went wrong
Jul 02 04:09:27 <PatrickC> I tried to create a discussion
Jul 02 04:09:30 <oil> "Tibfib: maybe you can tell me why "blaming oil" is such a running gag?" really
Jul 02 04:09:32 <funkatron> ah, I bet you posted this from your phone?
Jul 02 04:09:37 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 02 04:09:37 <funkatron> it works, it just throws an error.
Jul 02 04:09:41 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 02 04:09:42 <Tibfib> oil: lol
Jul 02 04:09:46 <halfhalo> yay passenger!
Jul 02 04:09:50 <funkatron> see, details like that are important for people who work on software 8)
Jul 02 04:09:52 <PatrickC> so, now the discussion has been made 3 times lol
Jul 02 04:10:11 * halfhalo knows that error message by heart
Jul 02 04:10:58 <funkatron> I only got one
Jul 02 04:17:51 <fxspec06> yayyy new avatar, time to go from forum to forum changing it
Jul 02 04:18:09 <PatrickC> awesome
Jul 02 04:18:26 <fxspec06> oh yeah
Jul 02 04:18:28 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 04:19:25 <PatrickC> its the same as your twitter avatar, or did you already change twitters?
Jul 02 04:20:48 <fxspec06> yeah i changed twitters
Jul 02 04:20:54 <fxspec06> it's not the same
Jul 02 04:20:56 <fxspec06> look closer
Jul 02 04:20:57 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 04:21:50 <funkatron> so I was really excited about reading kindle books on my touchpad
Jul 02 04:22:10 <oil> yep
Jul 02 04:22:23 * oil was also disappoint
Jul 02 04:22:45 <funkatron> http://sadtrombone.com/
Jul 02 04:23:07 <oil> that works though xD
Jul 02 04:24:15 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 04:24:28 <LoneStar99> funkatron:  and what happened with kindle books?
Jul 02 04:25:13 <funkatron> LoneStar99: http://twitter.com/funkatron/status/86900155630092288
Jul 02 04:25:16 <PatrickC> funkatron: still broke
Jul 02 04:25:19 <oil> "thank you for downloading this app thats in the catalog but apparently does nothing right now, we're working hard to make it right"
Jul 02 04:25:25 <funkatron> PatrickC: *shrug*
Jul 02 04:25:40 <PatrickC> ok.. weird
Jul 02 04:25:47 <PatrickC> I wonder if I'm the only one..
Jul 02 04:25:47 <funkatron> then something very odd is up. I dunno!
Jul 02 04:25:54 <oil> i bet if i submitted an app which was just a placeholder i'd get REJECTED
Jul 02 04:26:04 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 02 04:26:13 <cxreg> well, playing movies on the pad is a great experience
Jul 02 04:26:15 <PatrickC> or if other people are experiencing it and don't feel like asking
Jul 02 04:26:18 <summatusmentis> oil: not if you were a multi-national company with oodles of sway :)
Jul 02 04:26:20 <rwhitby> oil: Adora probably just hit the wrong button on the kindle app
Jul 02 04:26:23 <cxreg> playing some MPEG v4
Jul 02 04:26:24 <PatrickC> cxreg: really? nice
Jul 02 04:26:28 <oil> :/
Jul 02 04:26:41 <oil> hey, wi is multinational!
Jul 02 04:26:47 <cxreg> PatrickC: yeah, it's really smooth and the sound is phenominal
Jul 02 04:26:53 <PatrickC> awesome
Jul 02 04:27:01 <PatrickC> can't wait to get mine!
Jul 02 04:27:09 <summatusmentis> oil: _company_
Jul 02 04:27:18 * cxreg puts some Miyazaki movies on it
Jul 02 04:27:23 <oil> we're non profit?
Jul 02 04:27:40 <summatusmentis> prove it
Jul 02 04:27:47 <oil> im not sure how
Jul 02 04:27:47 <oil> heh
Jul 02 04:28:13 <rwhitby> wi is a dictatorship. all profits go to boats for oil and myself
Jul 02 04:28:20 <oil> haha
Jul 02 04:28:27 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 04:28:29 <summatusmentis> good luck making the non-profit case then :)
Jul 02 04:28:38 * halfhalo shall sink boats
Jul 02 04:28:50 * oil wont let halfhalo anywhere near his boat
Jul 02 04:29:53 <cxreg> haha, that's cute.  in the Pivot thing, on this one page there's a girl standing, and if you turn to landscape she's sitting in a chair
Jul 02 04:29:57 <funkatron> PatrickC: you're the only person to report that particular error recently.
Jul 02 04:29:57 <cxreg> nic etrick
Jul 02 04:30:03 * halfhalo managed to break wirc just now... fun times.  but he also thinks he got stacking working properly again
Jul 02 04:30:31 <oil> it was always working as best as the api allows
Jul 02 04:30:58 <oil> which is crappy
Jul 02 04:31:20 <halfhalo> no, i had it where it would properly stack 9 times out of 10, but had some other issue with it.
Jul 02 04:32:33 * oil goes to get sustenance
Jul 02 04:41:58 <LoneStar99> if i submitted 2 meta updates for 2 differerent apps on the 29 and have not been pushed through whom do i contact?
Jul 02 04:44:37 <funkatron> people
Jul 02 04:44:44 <funkatron> I dunno, I usually yell at adora
Jul 02 04:45:35 <cxreg> the clearchannel app didnt have the station i wanted so now im listening to it with flash
Jul 02 04:45:40 <cxreg> working better than i guessed it would
Jul 02 04:46:00 <LoneStar99> have done it before but forgot whom what email address at palm i used
Jul 02 04:46:55 * fxspec06 hungry
Jul 02 04:50:22 <LoneStar99> my stomach is upset...
Jul 02 04:53:04 <akanster> does palm-package package all files in the directory or just does referenced in depends.js?
Jul 02 04:53:13 <akanster> those*
Jul 02 04:53:53 <funkatron> pretty sure it grabs everything
Jul 02 04:54:08 <funkatron> it is not dependent on a particular framework
Jul 02 04:55:08 <akanster`> thanks
Jul 02 04:55:23 <cxreg> you know what we really need is some kind of vlc client or maybe sling
Jul 02 04:56:33 <cxreg> a myth frontend would be cool too
Jul 02 04:56:41 <halfhalo> hmm
Jul 02 04:56:50 <halfhalo> that may be possible with a chroot
Jul 02 04:58:53 <fxspec06> vlc would be sweet
Jul 02 04:59:02 <halfhalo> did that
Jul 02 04:59:16 <akanster`> funkatron: Is it still possible to have different .css themes like you did with Spaz on Mojo?
Jul 02 04:59:28 <Tibfib> akanster`: anything is possible
Jul 02 04:59:34 <funkatron> akanster`: Possible, yes
Jul 02 04:59:39 <Tibfib> akanster`: but seriously, it's just .css :)
Jul 02 04:59:40 <funkatron> Implemented, no
Jul 02 05:00:04 <oil> aw, LCARS THEME!
Jul 02 05:00:06 <funkatron> but yeah, it's a matter of building a CSS switcher, the UI prefs, and then making the themes
Jul 02 05:00:13 <funkatron> LCARS UP IN YA
Jul 02 05:00:17 <Tibfib> making the theme is the awful part
Jul 02 05:00:39 <funkatron> basically
Jul 02 05:00:49 <akanster`> thanks
Jul 02 05:01:00 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 02 05:01:07 <fxspec06> i agree tib lol
Jul 02 05:02:13 <rwatkins> does anyone know if they're selling the TP touchstone or cover in stores yet?
Jul 02 05:02:26 <rwatkins> they didnt have them at Best Buy last night.
Jul 02 05:02:55 <halfhalo> rwatkins: some places.  i got my ts from amazon today
Jul 02 05:03:25 <rwatkins> halfhalo: hm will have to call around, see if I can get one by Sunday morn.
Jul 02 05:03:27 <rwatkins> thx
Jul 02 05:04:01 <funkatron> did they have keyboards yet?
Jul 02 05:04:10 <rwatkins> TP should be great on a desk w/ a touchstone and exhibition mode.
Jul 02 05:04:17 <halfhalo> it is
Jul 02 05:04:31 <LoneStar99> emailed PDN-
Jul 02 05:08:32 <oil> so i showed my mom the touchpad, and later was asked "what kind of ipad did you get again?"
Jul 02 05:08:56 <funkatron> BURN
Jul 02 05:09:09 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 02 05:09:23 <oil> yeah :/
Jul 02 05:09:29 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 05:09:29 <rwatkins> "what kind of legos are those?" "what kinda xerox is that?" "what kind of iphone did you get?"
Jul 02 05:09:35 <halfhalo> I'm still rocking an iPad case
Jul 02 05:09:39 <oil> she does want my veer though
Jul 02 05:09:45 <oil> but they're on vzw
Jul 02 05:10:39 <funkatron> I'm afraid I'd swallow that phone
Jul 02 05:10:47 <oil> it is really small
Jul 02 05:10:55 <halfhalo> yup
Jul 02 05:11:01 <oil> i nearly dropped it a couple times the first minute i hield it
Jul 02 05:11:20 <halfhalo> i have dropped it like 3 times since i got mine
Jul 02 05:11:25 <fxspec06> omg
Jul 02 05:11:43 <funkatron> slips through the fingers?
Jul 02 05:11:55 <fxspec06> does it have a slot for the bracelet
Jul 02 05:12:15 <oil> it just feels like its too small for my hand
Jul 02 05:12:16 <halfhalo> no, keep dropping it while trying to slide it open
Jul 02 05:12:28 <oil> its a solid awesome phone
Jul 02 05:12:28 <funkatron> bracelet?
Jul 02 05:12:31 <oil> id use it if i was on att
Jul 02 05:12:33 <funkatron> oh like a lanyard?
Jul 02 05:12:35 <fxspec06> like digital cameras
Jul 02 05:12:35 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 02 05:12:42 <oil> yeah, its got hte little spot to connect it
Jul 02 05:12:52 <funkatron> I thought you were like "THAT PHONE IS FOR CHICKS"
Jul 02 05:12:54 <fxspec06> i would use that
Jul 02 05:12:55 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 05:13:02 <oil> to hang your charms on
Jul 02 05:14:31 <oil> all it really does is make me want a pre3 even more :/
Jul 02 05:14:40 <halfhalo> yup
Jul 02 05:15:17 <funkatron> I need to put out some more crappy apps so I can be a brownhole
Jul 02 05:15:19 <funkatron> or whatever
Jul 02 05:15:44 <fxspec06> brownhole
Jul 02 05:15:48 <fxspec06> that sounds naaaaaaaaaaasty
Jul 02 05:16:03 <cxreg> hm, there was a vlc client for ipaq?
Jul 02 05:16:10 <funkatron> ;)
Jul 02 05:16:16 <funkatron> for the ipaq?
Jul 02 05:16:19 <rwatkins> hp
Jul 02 05:16:33 <fxspec06> the hp ipaq
Jul 02 05:16:35 <funkatron> yeah
Jul 02 05:16:39 <funkatron> I remember
Jul 02 05:16:44 <funkatron> sorta.
Jul 02 05:16:44 <akanster`> Compaq iPaq
Jul 02 05:16:55 <halfhalo> i had one of those
Jul 02 05:16:56 <funkatron> IIRC they used that iPaq name on a bunch of stuff
Jul 02 05:17:20 <halfhalo> managed to fry it by tapping something in winmo
Jul 02 05:17:27 <fxspec06> i have a '01 presario downstairs, thinking about upgrading to dual core
Jul 02 05:17:34 <funkatron> yeah what the hell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPAQ_(desktop_computer)
Jul 02 05:18:02 <fxspec06> wow
Jul 02 05:18:04 * funkatron gets out his Palm Pilot Pro
Jul 02 05:18:39 <halfhalo> m130. boom
Jul 02 05:18:51 <cxreg> yeah, it was a linux-based handheld with promise that HP bought and then it went nowhere
Jul 02 05:18:53 <fxspec06> that's bamf
Jul 02 05:18:54 <cxreg> ...
Jul 02 05:18:56 <cxreg> pay no attention :)
Jul 02 05:19:37 <fxspec06> 4-bit gray scale display
Jul 02 05:20:36 <funkatron> cxreg: let's not talk about that
Jul 02 05:22:31 <saidmichael> evening gentlemen
Jul 02 05:22:37 <LoneStar99> howdy
Jul 02 05:24:43 <cxreg> can someone give me a rundown of what a enyo + pdk app looks like?
Jul 02 05:25:05 <oil> a hybrid?
Jul 02 05:25:08 <cxreg> do you make a shared library that links against SDL or something?
Jul 02 05:25:48 <rwhitby> cxreg: have you looked at the PDK tutorial or example apps ?
Jul 02 05:26:26 <cxreg> not yet, i was just hoping for a quick description of the architecture
Jul 02 05:26:38 <cxreg> ill rtfm
Jul 02 05:27:47 <LoneStar99> rwhitby: have u used the enyo.slider widget yet?
Jul 02 05:29:00 <cxreg> "Currently, the PDK supports development on two platforms" # meh, i dont believe it
Jul 02 05:33:58 <oil> oh, there goes a wircer
Jul 02 05:40:02 <LoneStar99> wow iPAQ
Jul 02 05:44:13 <uncola> ipad 3 coming out later this year
Jul 02 05:44:15 <uncola> pretty insane
Jul 02 05:44:48 <cxreg-pre> trying out wirc on the pad
Jul 02 05:45:36 <cxreg-pre> not loving mojo mode
Jul 02 05:47:15 <fxspec06> i sure hope mojo mode gets better
Jul 02 05:48:02 <rwatkins> dont count on it
Jul 02 05:51:35 <fxspec06> that's unfortunate
Jul 02 05:51:45 <fxspec06> oh well. can't waste time getting worked up on it
Jul 02 05:51:58 <fxspec06> at least it's there, right?
Jul 02 05:52:03 * cxreg clones git://github.com/kayahr/linux-webos-pdk.git
Jul 02 05:56:04 <rwatkins> webOS 3 is kinda like a "do over" for Palm.  The past is likely to get dropped pretty quick.
Jul 02 05:56:17 <chpwn> hey, my first app is in the catalog
Jul 02 05:56:22 <rwatkins> woot!
Jul 02 05:56:36 <chpwn> still just as pointless as the mojo app
Jul 02 05:56:37 <chpwn> but, yay
Jul 02 05:57:19 <LoneStar99> rwatkins:  have a slider widget working, now need to know how to pass values to anything...
Jul 02 05:57:34 <LoneStar99> rwatkins: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15844
Jul 02 05:58:36 <rwatkins> onChange: "sliderHandler" ... sliderHandler: function(inSender, inValue) { ...
Jul 02 06:00:08 <rwatkins> then party on with the value
Jul 02 06:01:23 <rwatkins> ok, time to unplug the TP from the usb connection, bets on whether it freaks out and restarts the ui?
Jul 02 06:01:56 * rwatkins is glad the NDA is over and can now publically bitch about software and hardware issues.
Jul 02 06:02:01 <LoneStar99> what about --> this.$.slider.setPositionImmediate(inValue);  ??
Jul 02 06:02:50 <LoneStar99> rwatkins:  ok got it
Jul 02 06:03:14 <LoneStar99> one last guestion how do I limit the size in width? using CSS?
Jul 02 06:03:24 <rwatkins> I used onChange and setPosition for my slider, not changing and immediate, so cant verify tht.
Jul 02 06:03:53 <rwatkins> I think it grows to fit the container?
Jul 02 06:04:01 <LoneStar99> oh ok
Jul 02 06:04:08 <rwatkins> again, would need to check
Jul 02 06:04:20 <LoneStar99> thnaks
Jul 02 06:04:56 <rwatkins> maybe the set a max width, but that would seem ... dumb.
Jul 02 06:06:34 <rwatkins> getting tired of rebooting my TouchPads each time I come out of USB drive mode.
Jul 02 06:07:11 <LoneStar99> yeah it might be according to container width. how many TPs do u have?
Jul 02 06:07:33 <rwatkins> two.  my desk is currently littered with hardware
Jul 02 06:08:13 <LoneStar99> rwatkins: u work at HP?
Jul 02 06:08:17 <rwatkins> 2 touchpads, xoom, a pre2, pre-, nexus s and iphone 3gs.  and then the win7 pc and macbook pro.
Jul 02 06:08:31 <LoneStar99> darn
Jul 02 06:08:50 <rwatkins> LoneStar99: no, just had a dev device to work on my app, bought my own last night.
Jul 02 06:09:09 <rwatkins> comes with working at a mobile company.  have to make crap work on all this stuff.
Jul 02 06:09:41 <fxspec06> chpwn: nice goin!!
Jul 02 06:09:49 <rwatkins> chpwn: link?
Jul 02 06:09:59 <LoneStar99> rwhitby:  right on, cool
Jul 02 06:10:29 <chpwn> um
Jul 02 06:11:09 <chpwn> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.xuzzproductions.paste-webos
Jul 02 06:11:22 <chpwn> mojo/enyo multi-app
Jul 02 06:11:59 <rwatkins> nice
Jul 02 06:12:13 <rwatkins> ya, those screenshots didnt look like a 2.0 app .. built a fat one.  cool.
Jul 02 06:13:16 <LoneStar99> nice
Jul 02 06:13:23 <rwatkins> i wanna have my app on my pre2, but I dont think I can bring myself to go write mojo again.
Jul 02 06:14:04 <cxreg-pre> not fun, vbox is crashing my laptop
Jul 02 06:14:36 <fxspec06> it's pretty slow on my laptop.
Jul 02 06:14:40 <fxspec06> and it's not a slouch
Jul 02 06:14:42 <cxreg-pre> linux on a sandy bridge, had a number of issues :(
Jul 02 06:15:01 <fxspec06> core2xtreme @ 3.35 you would think would smoke it
Jul 02 06:15:10 <LoneStar99> rwatkins:  i will still use mojo for existing phone apps, enyo for all TP apps
Jul 02 06:18:07 <rwatkins> chpwn: too bad they dont identify them as 'For TouchPad" when they're packaged for both.
Jul 02 06:18:14 <chpwn> rwatkins: yeah, that's annoying :(
Jul 02 06:18:32 <azakus> rwatkins: chpwn that sounds like a bug
Jul 02 06:18:35 <rwatkins> I do like how the float those to the top of the list though, despite rhwhitby's annoyance.
Jul 02 06:19:28 <rwatkins> chpwn: well you now have one more download.  :)
Jul 02 06:19:32 <chpwn> :)
Jul 02 06:21:11 <rwatkins> chpwn: did you not implement an app menu?
Jul 02 06:21:41 <chpwn> rwatkins: nope.
Jul 02 06:21:57 <rwatkins> that little down arrow for the app menu ... when there is no app menu ... is annoying.
Jul 02 06:22:04 <chpwn> (those should be optional, with the little arrow not showing when there isn't one)
Jul 02 06:25:35 * rwatkins wants to know what the ordering is for "Top" in the catalog.  Clearly not stars or reviews. Downloads?
Jul 02 06:28:05 <rwhitby> rwatkins: arbitrary developer relations decisions for that one
Jul 02 06:28:17 <rwhitby> it's basically the "featured" apps of before
Jul 02 06:28:53 <rwatkins> rwhitby: ah, so a fixed order?  even for the "Free" and "Paid" cols?
Jul 02 06:30:10 <rwatkins> the order they picked on the "News" category just seems .. odd.
Jul 02 06:33:29 <LoneStar99> if i have the slider and want to place it into a div how would i do that with enyo?
Jul 02 06:36:03 <akanster> do you just want to style it?
Jul 02 06:37:01 <akanster> you can place it in an HFlexBox or a VFlexBox
Jul 02 06:37:21 <akanster> or an empty no name kind, and flex: 1
Jul 02 06:37:48 <LoneStar99> akanster: have it in a flx box now
Jul 02 06:39:19 <akanster> what are you trying to do?3.
Jul 02 06:39:50 <LoneStar99> akanster: trying to do what is in screenshot 2 of http://urloid.com/palm18
Jul 02 06:41:48 <LoneStar99> on some sort of movement: color picker and slider appear | disappear.  it would be easiest if some how i could encapsulate  both in one div... but not sure how to do it programatically with enyo
Jul 02 06:43:35 <LoneStar99> eg.  <div id="container"><div>slider widget</div><div>color picker</div></div>
Jul 02 06:44:42 <rwatkins> { kind: "Control" components: [ {kind: "Slider" ...} ] }
Jul 02 06:45:22 <rwatkins> then use the generated enyo id to target, or add your own classname if you prefer.
Jul 02 06:47:30 <LoneStar99> ok cool, how do I lookup the generated enyo id?
Jul 02 06:48:01 <rwatkins> I usually load it up in chome and use inspect element and see, but eventually you see the pattern and know what the generated id will be.
Jul 02 06:48:28 <rwatkins> if its just for css, would likely be better to just put your own custom classname: "my-class" property on it and target that instead.
Jul 02 06:48:34 <akanster> ^
Jul 02 06:49:10 <LoneStar99> yeah just gonna mess with class stuff on this release of app, then will perfect it next release
Jul 02 06:49:31 <rwatkins> ah and thats "className" not "classname"
Jul 02 06:53:03 <LoneStar99> yeah thanks
Jul 02 07:03:58 <LoneStar99> just need to tackle down enyo ajax calls, a help menu and enyo app out the door
Jul 02 07:04:05 <LoneStar99> ok chat laters
Jul 02 07:04:11 <LoneStar99> GN
Jul 02 07:05:12 <rwatkins> l8r
Jul 02 07:06:56 <fxspec06> i'm going to bed too.
Jul 02 07:07:12 <fxspec06> l8er every1
Jul 02 08:32:19 <hotdp> 10% loyalty discount >2 years in AC
Jul 02 08:32:23 <hotdp> What does AC mean?
Jul 02 08:33:15 <uncola> good question
Jul 02 08:33:18 <uncola> it is a mystery
Jul 02 08:34:55 <hotdp> serius?
Jul 02 08:41:34 <oil> App Catalog
Jul 02 08:46:01 <hotdp> Hmm so 10% of on the apps you buy? How is it registered what kind of belt you have? I would like my brown belt D:
Jul 02 08:53:02 <Jack87> any tips for saying on TP via pre2?
Jul 02 09:19:55 <Toaster_> Hey guys!
Jul 02 09:20:04 <hotdp> yo
Jul 02 09:20:55 <Toaster_> Anyone else here have problems with the touchpad? I cant seem to get the music app to see my music and the browser wont stop auto loading flash :P
Jul 02 09:38:10 <madnificent> leiru: pong?
Jul 02 11:19:33 <ddluk> Do you have any info about Kindle? It's available on USA App Catalog?
Jul 02 11:19:45 <ddluk> Because it's not visible in UK Catalog
Jul 02 12:39:34 <uncola> ddluk, not available yet
Jul 02 12:45:47 <PatrickC> good morning all
Jul 02 12:51:19 <Vyker> if someone gets your neato code, they could start flooding your phone with requests....
Jul 02 12:51:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 12:52:10 <Vyker> thats correct isnt it?
Jul 02 12:52:33 <PatrickC> idk
Jul 02 12:52:38 <PatrickC> I don't use neato
Jul 02 12:52:48 * PatrickC wants tomorrow to be tuesday.
Jul 02 13:21:34 <Loudergood> hmm.so my phone doesn't agree with my router at home anymore...interesting
Jul 02 13:24:54 <fxspec06> restart novacom service?
Jul 02 13:24:57 <fxspec06> oh router.
Jul 02 13:25:01 <fxspec06> sorry just woke up
Jul 02 13:25:13 <fxspec06> start router?
Jul 02 13:25:17 <fxspec06> re*
Jul 02 13:25:47 <Loudergood> yeah i'll try that when i get home
Jul 02 13:26:47 <fxspec06> wireless networking is odd sometimes
Jul 02 13:35:10 <Loudergood> the fun part is about a half hour after I gave up on it last night, my gf was streaming netflix over the same wifi
Jul 02 13:35:48 <Loudergood> phone works great here at work though
Jul 02 13:37:22 <fxspec06> my friend came over with a droid once, and as soon as he connected my pre was denied
Jul 02 13:37:45 <fxspec06> restarting the router worked. probably an ip conflict
Jul 02 13:39:44 <fxspec06> but i'm no networking guru so don't take my word for it
Jul 02 13:52:58 <fxspec06> i hate how the colours are diff on the phone than your computer
Jul 02 13:53:12 <LoneStar99> morning webos-ers
Jul 02 13:53:26 <fxspec06> morning lonestar
Jul 02 13:53:46 <LoneStar99> moring, u from the UK?
Jul 02 13:55:07 <fxspec06> nope, i'm just west of Boston
Jul 02 13:55:13 <fxspec06> MA
Jul 02 13:55:32 <fxspec06> w/b you ?
Jul 02 13:55:35 <fxspec06> texas?
Jul 02 13:56:07 <LoneStar99> originally, cali now
Jul 02 13:56:25 <LoneStar99> but not in cali right now in MX
Jul 02 13:56:51 <fxspec06> mexico ?
Jul 02 13:57:52 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jul 02 13:58:20 <fxspec06> oh sweeet i've never been there
Jul 02 14:00:34 <LoneStar99> nice here, in guadalajara, large city
Jul 02 14:11:39 <LoneStar99> will be back in the so.cal soon
Jul 02 14:24:22 <Loudergood> quiet morning
Jul 02 14:26:03 <fxspec06> i'm working in photoshop. i hate it but it needs to be done
Jul 02 14:26:41 <LoneStar99> yep, peeps are hungover from TP overindulgence
Jul 02 14:27:24 <fxspec06> i think i FINALLY made a good layer style
Jul 02 14:33:17 <Loudergood> yeah, I'm at work and it's just dead here today
Jul 02 14:38:02 <fxspec06> someone give me a cookie?
Jul 02 14:38:29 <fxspec06> was up til 4 last night trying to do this one thing, sure enough in the morning i get it done
Jul 02 14:38:41 <LoneStar99> since i am not in the states right now is monday a holiday since the 4th is on sunday??
Jul 02 14:39:00 <fxspec06> i dunno about MX
Jul 02 14:39:38 <ianbeck> LoneStar99: the 4th is Monday, which is indeed a holiday
Jul 02 14:40:48 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  how about them finding Bulger in Cali...
Jul 02 14:42:55 <fxspec06> hang 'em
Jul 02 14:42:59 <fxspec06> that bastard
Jul 02 14:43:05 <LoneStar99> i will have some pints on sunday, to celebrate the 4th!  "in absentia"
Jul 02 14:43:34 <LoneStar99> santa monica...
Jul 02 14:43:50 <fxspec06> he's a pig.
Jul 02 14:44:37 <Loudergood> LoneStar99,the 4th is on Monday ;)
Jul 02 14:45:55 <LoneStar99> oh shit, have my days off ... lol
Jul 02 14:46:05 <LoneStar99> to much enyo
Jul 02 14:46:19 <Loudergood> I know, I work saturdays and have mondays off, it gets to me at times
Jul 02 14:51:29 <LoneStar99> my little buildasearch app sure is useful, to bad it never really caught on.... =(
Jul 02 14:53:13 <fxspec06> i'm sure it is, lonestar.
Jul 02 14:53:48 <fxspec06> i haven't bought but one app because no money. but when i start making some, i will be sure to buy a few from people i know who have one
Jul 02 14:54:11 <fxspec06> it's crazy the amount of work that goes into making one
Jul 02 14:56:06 <fxspec06> if you're doing it right
Jul 02 14:56:46 <LoneStar99> yeah for sure... back in its day buildasearch was selling like 25+ per week @ $2.50 each...  then rating went from 5 to 4.8 and everything died after that
Jul 02 14:57:21 <LoneStar99> maybe like 10 or more a day... can't remeber
Jul 02 14:58:56 <fxspec06> that's good
Jul 02 14:59:00 <ianbeck> Yeah it is
Jul 02 14:59:24 <LoneStar99> well not anymore =(
Jul 02 14:59:36 <LoneStar99> anyways will revamp it soon
Jul 02 15:02:07 <Tibfib_> heyyyyyyy everyone
Jul 02 15:02:54 <LoneStar99> hello Tibfib
Jul 02 15:03:30 <Tibfib> howdy!
Jul 02 15:06:32 <fxspec06> hola
Jul 02 15:08:00 <LoneStar99> watched southpark "it's a jersey thing" last night freaking funny!
Jul 02 15:08:12 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 15:08:15 <fxspec06> i <3 south park
Jul 02 15:08:34 <fxspec06> i was up all night trying to make http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/gtunit/photos-temp-1jpg-10.jpg steel card backs
Jul 02 15:10:42 <fxspec06> is not easy.
Jul 02 15:10:42 <LoneStar99> very nice
Jul 02 15:11:31 <fxspec06> ty
Jul 02 15:22:25 <LoneStar99> anyone have successful ajax requests via enyo?
Jul 02 15:23:43 <PuffTheMagic> i did
Jul 02 15:24:05 <Tibfib> yep
Jul 02 15:24:22 <LoneStar99> not sut if i am missing something gonna post my code...
Jul 02 15:27:40 <LoneStar99> well pastebin is down, gonna conduct another test.
Jul 02 15:31:39 <Tibfib> HMM. got a dilemna
Jul 02 15:31:51 <Tibfib> dilemmma
Jul 02 15:31:56 <Tibfib> with 2 m's.
Jul 02 15:32:10 <fxspec06> dhilemma?
Jul 02 15:32:11 <Tibfib> Anyway, I need to snap my scroller when a user drags something to the edge
Jul 02 15:32:19 <Tibfib> in enyo
Jul 02 15:32:24 <Tibfib> there is the "drag Event'
Jul 02 15:32:30 <Tibfib> which fires A LOT
Jul 02 15:32:33 <Tibfib> (it should)
Jul 02 15:32:46 <Tibfib> but I can't use this.$.snapScroller.next() EVERY time
Jul 02 15:32:50 <Tibfib> enyo.job can throttle it
Jul 02 15:32:56 <Tibfib> but it doesn't quite work how I want it to
Jul 02 15:33:03 <Tibfib> anyone have a good idea on the best approach?
Jul 02 15:33:28 <LoneStar99> Tibfib: i am a newbie at enyo =(
Jul 02 15:33:41 <fxspec06> i'd have to see it
Jul 02 15:33:41 <Tibfib> this isn't exactly enyo-specific
Jul 02 15:33:43 <Tibfib> kind of.
Jul 02 15:33:44 <fxspec06> idk
Jul 02 15:33:51 <fxspec06> i don't really understand what you're trying to ask
Jul 02 15:33:52 <Tibfib> it's on github.
Jul 02 15:34:04 <Tibfib> so in the next version of spaz, you can drag and drop columns
Jul 02 15:34:12 <fxspec06> yep
Jul 02 15:34:19 <Tibfib> BUT the issue is, the snapScroller doesn't auto scroll when you reach the edge
Jul 02 15:34:24 <Tibfib> so you can't re-order outside of the view
Jul 02 15:34:41 <Tibfib> I need to force it to scroll (this.$.snapScroller.next() or .previous())
Jul 02 15:34:48 <Tibfib> but I'm trying to figure out the best time to do so
Jul 02 15:36:11 <fxspec06> can you take a video?
Jul 02 15:36:11 <MikeEcho> I feel really dumb asking this, but here it goes: How do you simply display an image in a mojo app? I've looked at canvas and imageView, but they both seem a little overblown.
Jul 02 15:36:31 <fxspec06> <div id="imTheBest"></div>
Jul 02 15:36:34 <fxspec06> then in CSS:
Jul 02 15:36:55 <Tibfib> I may have a solution
Jul 02 15:37:07 <Tibfib> MikeEcho: <img src='path/to/image.jpg'/>
Jul 02 15:37:31 <fxspec06> #imTheBest{background: url("../images/imTheBest.png"); width: 40px; height: 30px; top: 250px; left:40px; position:absolute;}
Jul 02 15:37:46 <fxspec06> or that works too
Jul 02 15:38:00 <Tibfib> or use that
Jul 02 15:38:24 <Tibfib> MikeEcho: the canvas and imageViews are for more advanced uses
Jul 02 15:38:24 <MikeEcho> Cheers, I'll look at those two now, I thought I'd tried the HTML tag, but we'll see.
Jul 02 15:38:31 <Tibfib> if you just want an image, go with what we posted
Jul 02 15:38:37 <Tibfib> imageView is nice for pinch to zoom and so forth
Jul 02 15:38:38 <MikeEcho> Thanks :)
Jul 02 15:38:46 <fxspec06> np
Jul 02 15:39:19 <fxspec06> what file is it in tib
Jul 02 15:39:25 <Tibfib> container.js
Jul 02 15:39:47 <Tibfib> Don't worry about it too much. it is pretty specific. it's probably a hard thing to help if you don't know the spaz source
Jul 02 15:40:12 <fxspec06> yeah mayb
Jul 02 15:41:01 <fxspec06> how about you save the current scroll position
Jul 02 15:41:18 <fxspec06> and once it reaches a certain x axis # scroll up or down
Jul 02 15:41:28 <Tibfib> that's kind of what I'm trying to do
Jul 02 15:41:29 <fxspec06> and then if it gets dragged the other way scroll back
Jul 02 15:44:02 <fxspec06> you could set up a timer that checks the x position, set it up in the columnMousehold
Jul 02 15:44:13 <fxspec06> then check every 10 or 100ms
Jul 02 15:44:24 <fxspec06> or is that what trackColumn does
Jul 02 15:44:31 * NuttyBunny arrives
Jul 02 15:44:45 * fxspec06 waves at NuttyBunny
Jul 02 15:45:00 <Tibfib> that's what trackColumn is for
Jul 02 15:45:08 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06: hey!  how's enyo treating you?
Jul 02 15:45:29 <fxspec06> pretty good! i understand it 100 times more than yesterday
Jul 02 15:45:45 <fxspec06> gotta work on my mojo app first though.
Jul 02 15:46:14 <fxspec06> then i can go full on enyo
Jul 02 15:48:25 <LoneStar99> Enyo Party!
Jul 02 15:57:25 <rwatkins> call staples - "looking for accessories for the HP TouchPad" "Huh, you mean the Slate" "No.  TouchPad"  "No Staples carriers it yet"
Jul 02 15:58:00 <rwatkins> HPs retail shelf space not so much good if the sales people have no clue.
Jul 02 16:01:37 <PuffTheMagic> is there a way to get the width of a enyo component before its shown, im having a problem centering a popup with openAt
Jul 02 16:01:46 <NuttyBunny> Well, while you guys have fun with your PalmPads, I've just received my 9 cell battery for my netbook, and I won't share it with you :P
Jul 02 16:02:15 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: Doesn't the width property work?
Jul 02 16:02:19 * NuttyBunny checks his code
Jul 02 16:03:39 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: {name: "glassesPopup", kind: "Popup", scrim: true, width: "450px", height: "450px", components: []}
Jul 02 16:04:01 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes, use px, if you don't specify "px", it works sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't
Jul 02 16:04:33 <rwatkins> NuttyBunny: I assume he wants to measure it, not set it.
Jul 02 16:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> correct
Jul 02 16:05:02 <PuffTheMagic> i need to take half the screenwidth minus half the popup width
Jul 02 16:05:13 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic: havent looked to see if it correctly calculates while showing is set to false.  But you could toggle visibility rather than display
Jul 02 16:05:32 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok, I think I have that as well ;)
Jul 02 16:05:49 <PuffTheMagic> then how do i move the display after its visible?
Jul 02 16:06:00 <cxreg> so there's no "clock" app on the pad, and i cant find a single alarm clock in the catalog
Jul 02 16:06:16 <rwatkins> though I assume openAtCenter just .. does all that.
Jul 02 16:06:22 <cxreg> exhibition has a clock, but no alarm
Jul 02 16:06:24 <PuffTheMagic> rwatkins, i need it at the top center
Jul 02 16:06:27 <PuffTheMagic> not the dead center
Jul 02 16:06:41 <rwatkins> Give it a margin-bottom outside the actual rendered area?
Jul 02 16:07:00 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Jul 02 16:07:38 <rwatkins> Add margin to your dialog at the bottom.  Will make the likely make enyo calculate based on the full size w/ the margin.  In effect moving it up.
Jul 02 16:07:54 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: Have you tried with the create/rendered predefined functions? you could change them, I didn't do that part :(
Jul 02 16:08:09 <PuffTheMagic> {left: enyo.fetchDeviceInfo().screenWidth/2-this.$.newAccount.width/2, top: 0}
Jul 02 16:08:15 <PuffTheMagic> that should work
Jul 02 16:08:20 <PuffTheMagic> but its not quite centered
Jul 02 16:08:27 <PuffTheMagic> its off to the right a little
Jul 02 16:08:56 <rwatkins> I'd suggest openAtCenter and then pad the bottom of my dialog with margin to push it up.
Jul 02 16:09:12 <PuffTheMagic> what happens with the keyboard shows up
Jul 02 16:09:22 <PuffTheMagic> will that move the dialog?
Jul 02 16:09:33 <rwatkins> optional per your app settigns - it can overlay the app or resize the app.
Jul 02 16:09:34 <PuffTheMagic> when the keyboard shows up
Jul 02 16:09:47 <rwatkins> by default it resizes the app.
Jul 02 16:10:06 <rwatkins_away> AFK
Jul 02 16:14:49 <PuffTheMagic> :/ margin-bottom didnt do antything
Jul 02 16:15:03 <ianbeck> As it wouldn't, if the dialog is absolutely positioned
Jul 02 16:15:33 <Hendikins> For some reason I really feel like taking a photo of my Veer sitting on top of a credit card.
Jul 02 16:16:33 <ianbeck> Odds are good you'll need to do openAt
Jul 02 16:16:46 <ianbeck> Or else write a custom kind that allows adding an offset to openAtCenter
Jul 02 16:20:07 <NuttyBunny> those custom kinds are great :)
Jul 02 16:21:30 <bpadalino> anyone know what the "eris" github repository is? https://github.com/palm
Jul 02 16:21:33 <Tibfib> PuffTheMagic: openAtTopCenter
Jul 02 16:21:52 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib: Really? does that exist??
Jul 02 16:21:57 <Tibfib> try it
Jul 02 16:22:17 <Tibfib> you can also use the property: showKeyboardWhenOpening
Jul 02 16:22:23 <Tibfib> if you always want a keyboard
Jul 02 16:24:12 <NuttyBunny> I found this: openAt: function(inRect) - Open at the location specified by a location relative to the viewport - inRect {Object} rectangle specifying where to open the popup. May contain left, top or right, bottom properties. If both are specified left,top is used.
Jul 02 16:24:45 <Tibfib> pretty sure openAtTopCenter exists
Jul 02 16:24:46 <Tibfib> we use it in spaz
Jul 02 16:24:48 <Tibfib> twice.
Jul 02 16:25:12 <NuttyBunny> cool, I really feel those API docs are fairly incomplete ;)
Jul 02 16:25:27 <PuffTheMagic> I was using openAtControl
Jul 02 16:25:59 <cxreg> hm, can you change the default audio on the phone?  when i dial it switches to the pad because it assumes thats a headset, lol
Jul 02 16:26:57 <cxreg> i wonder if i patched that
Jul 02 16:26:59 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: If there is space, the popup's top, left corner will be displayed at the top, left position of the control. Otherwise, the popup's bottom, right will be displayed at the bottom, right of the control.... I should assume there's no space and it goes to the right? dunno really ;)
Jul 02 16:27:34 <NuttyBunny> all this enyo-control talk is new to me, I played mostly with gestures and image manipulations .. hehehe
Jul 02 16:28:33 <fxspec06> NuttyBunny: I agree about the docs being incomplete
Jul 02 16:28:54 <fxspec06> there's no pictures of the buttons, either
Jul 02 16:30:59 <Tibfib> oh wait
Jul 02 16:31:06 <Tibfib> openAtTopCenter is a custom function for us
Jul 02 16:31:26 <Tibfib> here you go: https://github.com/funkatron/Spaz-Enyo/blob/master/source/javascript/SpazPopup.js
Jul 02 16:31:35 <NuttyBunny> :P
Jul 02 16:32:02 <Tibfib> the documentation is perfect
Jul 02 16:32:05 <Tibfib> for public methods
Jul 02 16:32:11 <Tibfib> pretty sure it uses the source itself
Jul 02 16:32:25 <Tibfib> maybe lemme test
Jul 02 16:33:39 <PuffTheMagic> Tibfib, i was trying to recreate that with out looking at his code
Jul 02 16:33:42 <PuffTheMagic> i had to give up
Jul 02 16:35:04 <Tibfib> YEP. the docs use the enyo source itself
Jul 02 16:36:27 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib: Look for the docs of "BasicPopup.js"
Jul 02 16:36:31 <NuttyBunny> that's not the only one
Jul 02 16:37:06 <NuttyBunny> I had a hard time with loadfile.js, I had to peek into the code as well :P
Jul 02 16:38:26 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: I think it's not referenced or something
Jul 02 16:38:36 <Tibfib> I dunno
Jul 02 16:38:41 <Tibfib> but the docs do come from the source
Jul 02 16:39:01 <Tibfib> copy and paste a property with the comments and then view it in the docs
Jul 02 16:39:04 <Tibfib> it will be there
Jul 02 16:41:20 <NuttyBunny> It's just that it's a bit hard to think "ah, now I want to to this, there must be something"... and go and see "loadfile" (great!!!) ... it's empty? argh....
Jul 02 16:41:36 * NuttyBunny should stick to doing standard "web" apps :S
Jul 02 16:42:59 * fxspec06 should stick to not using HP's designs
Jul 02 16:44:22 <Tibfib> arggg. once again I ask, anyone have a touchpad out right now with spaz hd installed?
Jul 02 16:44:30 <Tibfib> the emu takes SOOOO long to boot
Jul 02 16:46:12 * fxspec06 thinks tibfib needs a new computer
Jul 02 16:46:24 <Tibfib> I just need patience.
Jul 02 16:46:33 * fxspec06 thinks tibfib needs patience
Jul 02 16:46:50 <Tibfib> I just need to test stuff on device
Jul 02 16:47:01 <Tibfib> and I usually do this on my actual device
Jul 02 16:47:06 * fxspec06 thinks tibfib needs to test stuff on his device
Jul 02 16:47:09 <Tibfib> since I don't always have the emu open
Jul 02 16:47:17 <Tibfib> but I don't have a touchpad.
Jul 02 16:47:20 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib: Save the state instead of booting it every time
Jul 02 16:47:29 <Tibfib> good pont
Jul 02 16:47:32 <Tibfib> point*
Jul 02 16:47:43 <fxspec06> i know what you mean
Jul 02 16:47:50 <fxspec06> and Nutty i forgot you could do that
Jul 02 16:48:06 <NuttyBunny> I have to do it that way, I only have 1.5G of RAM on my dev machines :)
Jul 02 16:49:12 <PuffTheMagic> emu takes 3 seconds to boot here
Jul 02 16:49:19 <PuffTheMagic> but i have spaz hd and tp
Jul 02 16:50:09 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: die :P   emu takes more than a minute here...
Jul 02 16:50:20 <NuttyBunny> but my Pre 2 still holds the record, more than 6 minutes
Jul 02 16:50:34 <PuffTheMagic> ive got 8 cores at 3.5ghz :D
Jul 02 16:50:45 <PuffTheMagic> and 12 gig ram :D
Jul 02 16:51:03 <akanster> also, change VirtualBox settings to let the emu use 2 cores + 1 gb of ram
Jul 02 16:51:12 * fxspec06 goes to see how fast his emu boots
Jul 02 16:51:57 <Tibfib> haah. I forgot why I needed the emu.
Jul 02 16:52:01 <Tibfib> hmmmm
Jul 02 16:52:28 <akanster> 53 secs here
Jul 02 16:52:31 <fxspec06> 45 sec here
Jul 02 16:52:38 <Tibfib> got distracted by a bugg
Jul 02 16:52:48 <Tibfib> ~2+ mins here.
Jul 02 16:52:59 <Tibfib> I do have a cheap laptop.
Jul 02 16:53:05 <fxspec06> and that's with photoshop eclipse WOSQI ipk packager pidgin mozilla WLM
Jul 02 16:53:17 <fxspec06> and explorer windows everywhere.
Jul 02 16:53:17 <akanster> oh, on my laptop it's waay longer :)
Jul 02 16:53:27 <fxspec06> and this is my laptop =)
Jul 02 16:54:42 <fxspec06> but, i've probably put about 2500 into it
Jul 02 16:55:11 <NuttyBunny> My netbook is a $350 one :P
Jul 02 16:56:12 <fxspec06> i need to get 8gb ram
Jul 02 16:56:20 <fxspec06> 4 is really holding me back
Jul 02 16:58:32 <fxspec06> omg this guy in gladiator is the voice of bubba fett in the phantom menace!
Jul 02 16:59:25 <NuttyBunny> Bobba
Jul 02 17:12:07 <cxreg> hell i think even my old razr let me change the default to not go automatically to bluetooth
Jul 02 17:12:15 <cxreg> its gotta be in there somewhere
Jul 02 17:23:15 <NuttyBunny> Ok, now off to work with the stupid download manager ;)
Jul 02 17:28:54 * fxspec06 slaps PatrickC
Jul 02 17:29:07 <fxspec06> j/k
Jul 02 17:29:15 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 02 17:29:32 <LoneStar99> i then take PatrickC's BMX bike and pawn it
Jul 02 17:29:33 * NuttyBunny grins
Jul 02 17:30:57 <LoneStar99> stitching a duck tape wallet.. fun!
Jul 02 17:31:08 <PuffTheMagic> how does one read a file in enyo/js?
Jul 02 17:31:43 <LoneStar99> PuffTheMagic: i saw it in the private forum
Jul 02 17:32:22 <LoneStar99> PuffTheMagic: something about local json file or something similar
Jul 02 17:33:01 <fxspec06> very carefully
Jul 02 17:34:22 * PatrickC is lost
Jul 02 17:34:54 * fxspec06 hands PatrickC a map of Middle Earth
Jul 02 17:35:39 <PatrickC> thanks fxspec06
Jul 02 17:35:42 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 02 17:35:44 <PatrickC> bbl lunch time
Jul 02 17:36:15 <LoneStar99> have a good lunch!
Jul 02 17:36:55 <PatrickC> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&p=79755#p79755
Jul 02 17:36:55 <NuttyBunny> Anyone knows if the download manager overwrites files?
Jul 02 17:36:57 <PatrickC> thanks haha
Jul 02 17:56:28 <leiru> hm
Jul 02 17:59:08 <SimpsonTP> is there a seen bot here ?
Jul 02 18:04:11 <leiru> hmpf
Jul 02 18:04:32 <leiru> just 4 apps for me, as i disabled a seasonal one
Jul 02 18:04:38 <leiru> :((
Jul 02 18:05:25 <leiru> i dont't like the new system.
Jul 02 18:12:23 <leiru> and do free/lite versions of apps count?
Jul 02 18:16:18 <fxspec06> if they don't they should
Jul 02 18:16:34 <fxspec06> because they are seperate releases
Jul 02 18:26:27 * PatrickC wanders back in from lunch
Jul 02 18:26:50 * PatrickC slaps fxspec06 
Jul 02 18:27:25 <PatrickC> anyone get the box.net offer yet?
Jul 02 18:31:51 * fxspec06 can't be slapped because he's in a bubble
Jul 02 18:32:12 * PatrickC pops bubble
Jul 02 18:34:38 * fxspec06 facepalm
Jul 02 18:34:47 <fxspec06> i can't stand all these beats audio nutz
Jul 02 18:34:59 <fxspec06> there's three types of them
Jul 02 18:35:21 <ddluk> PatrickC: I've got box.net offer. Account type:  Personal +50GB (monthly)
Jul 02 18:35:50 <PatrickC> ddluk: did you have to do it thru the box.net official app?
Jul 02 18:35:55 <ddluk> Yes
Jul 02 18:36:02 <PatrickC> or can you do it thru the accounts app?
Jul 02 18:36:23 <ddluk> I log into my exsisting account and I get message about upgrade.
Jul 02 18:36:37 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 02 18:36:40 <ddluk> I've used the box.net officiall application
Jul 02 18:36:53 <fxspec06> one type who defend what -i- have to say about them, who thinks they're killer, and then goes on to talk about the software part, another type who argues against it saying its pointless other tablets have and doesnt matter because mp3s are crap anyways and then there's the audio guy, who just understands it and appreciates it, and can't ever explain it to anyone because they're not an audio guy.
Jul 02 18:37:18 <fxspec06> btw-- i would never ever ever use software part of beats
Jul 02 18:37:29 <fxspec06> and also: it has nothing to do with the speakers on the device
Jul 02 18:37:52 * fxspec06 sighs
Jul 02 18:38:17 <fxspec06> rant -->
Jul 02 18:38:39 <rwatkins_away> Full sized epub reader for TP?
Jul 02 18:44:25 <fxspec06> anyone?
Jul 02 19:08:25 <PatrickC> new knife! http://goaruna.com/s/oTZ8ik0T
Jul 02 19:09:12 <fxspec06> OMG
Jul 02 19:09:24 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 19:09:28 <PatrickC> what? :P
Jul 02 19:09:45 <summatusmentis> I'm frightened by the prospect of you with a knife
Jul 02 19:09:55 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 02 19:12:09 <fxspec06> summatusmentis: I understand
Jul 02 19:12:20 <PatrickC> dear ftp, I love you. thanks!
Jul 02 19:12:38 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: its very dull (for now)
Jul 02 19:14:49 <fxspec06> anyone know how to anti-alias an area in photoshop
Jul 02 19:15:38 * PatrickC doesn't have photoshop :'(
Jul 02 19:16:38 <PatrickC> fxspec06: wanna buy photoshop for me?
Jul 02 19:17:19 <fxspec06> hmm let  me get back to you on that
Jul 02 19:17:46 * Loudergood bought a used mac that has the full suite installed
Jul 02 19:18:16 <fxspec06> i'm just gonna go ahead and emboss my icon like 50 times
Jul 02 19:18:17 <Loudergood> the guy was like "no discs bro" so I've got my doubts about how legit it is
Jul 02 19:18:35 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 19:21:28 <halfhalo> oh photoshop.. how I miss you...
Jul 02 19:21:50 <fxspec06> "i got it from a friend whoooo.... gotttt it from a friend whooooooo.... got it from another friendddddd"
Jul 02 19:22:11 <PatrickC> halfhalo: I thought you would have it lol
Jul 02 19:24:31 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: "my friends.... on the internet.... all pitched in and got it for me"
Jul 02 19:24:52 <summatusmentis> "who? no, I mean... I don't know any of their names"
Jul 02 19:25:05 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 02 19:25:09 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 19:25:42 * PatrickC wants to work on ymp.. but needs to do school
Jul 02 19:27:46 <halfhalo> I have it somewhere
Jul 02 19:36:24 <PatrickC> enyo documentation up yet?
Jul 02 19:38:10 <PatrickC> looks like they are all offline docs now..
Jul 02 19:58:46 <Popple3> Wooooo! Just got a retweet from @Palm about my Posterous app :D
Jul 02 20:01:16 <fxspec06> whewww!!! WTG!!
Jul 02 20:01:27 <fxspec06> i just figured out a huge PS secret =p
Jul 02 20:06:07 <leiru> hmmm cookies
Jul 02 20:06:57 <leiru> maybe the cookies make me feeling happy again
Jul 02 20:07:07 <jbowden> hi I have a question
Jul 02 20:07:19 <leiru> "may the force of the cookies be with you" :)
Jul 02 20:07:34 <jbowden> I cant get an app to launch on the touchpad I am getting a novacom err
Jul 02 20:08:00 <leiru> and what's the error?
Jul 02 20:08:08 <jbowden> err -99
Jul 02 20:08:47 <leiru> when you want to install it?
Jul 02 20:09:23 <jbowden> it is an app I have been working on and I just got touchpad today
Jul 02 20:09:32 <jbowden> nothing I try works
Jul 02 20:09:42 <jbowden> although my pre 2 works
Jul 02 20:10:43 <jbowden> and emulator
Jul 02 20:11:19 <leiru> when does the error happen?
Jul 02 20:11:27 <leiru> is the touchpad in dev mode?
Jul 02 20:11:41 <jbowden> yep
Jul 02 20:12:42 <jbowden> is there by chance another very of novacom
Jul 02 20:13:19 <PatrickC> what is the easiest storage option in enyo?
Jul 02 20:13:27 <jbowden> it also says reply:req:auth
Jul 02 20:16:12 <fxspec06> cookies
Jul 02 20:16:15 <fxspec06> always
Jul 02 20:16:38 <PatrickC> mojo.cookie no longer exists.. is there an enyo.cookie ?
Jul 02 20:16:42 <PatrickC> I didn't see one...
Jul 02 20:16:56 <fxspec06> hmm idk
Jul 02 20:17:03 <fxspec06> mayb there is no more cookies
Jul 02 20:17:07 <fxspec06> but i very much so doubt it.
Jul 02 20:17:37 <jbowden> I am going nuts
Jul 02 20:19:05 <fxspec06> i prefer to go bananas
Jul 02 20:20:45 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 02 20:23:25 <leiru> .o( )
Jul 02 20:24:09 <PatrickC> huh? lol
Jul 02 20:24:30 <leiru> just an empty thinking bubble.
Jul 02 20:24:42 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 02 20:24:45 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 02 20:31:45 <dawm> hrm
Jul 02 20:31:53 <dawm> sprint pre, bad charging port, cracked corner.. $5.
Jul 02 20:32:02 <dawm> might be a worth candidate for frankenpre
Jul 02 20:36:00 <jbowden> can anyone help me w my touchpad problem
Jul 02 20:36:54 <bpadalino> heh, amusing
Jul 02 20:37:03 <bpadalino> "can i get help? /quit"
Jul 02 20:39:33 <Jesse_> hi
Jul 02 20:39:46 <Jesse_>  I am having problems developing on my touchpad can anyone help?
Jul 02 20:39:48 <error454> I'm having issues with a Picker, when I select an entry it says it can't read property 'value' of undefined.  The array I'm setting it with is the form [{caption: "a", value: "a"}]
Jul 02 20:40:15 <Jesse_> I can launch app on my pre2 but not on my touchpad
Jul 02 20:40:22 <Jesse_> I keep getting err -99
Jul 02 20:40:30 <Jesse_> novacom error
Jul 02 20:41:22 <Jesse_> novacom error: err -99 "Command: run file:///bin/mkdir -p /media/internal/.developer  Reply:req:auth"
Jul 02 20:41:31 <Jesse_> thats exactly what it says
Jul 02 20:41:50 <Jesse_> I have tired everything I can think of and i cant get it to work
Jul 02 20:46:42 <error454> Jesse_: Did you set a novacom password?
Jul 02 20:47:00 <error454> Jesse_: When you enabled dev mode?
Jul 02 20:47:15 <Jesse_> no
Jul 02 20:47:28 <Jesse_> oh I set password on touchpad
Jul 02 20:47:45 <Jesse_> I tried to remove it but couldn't
Jul 02 20:47:46 <error454> novacom -c login -r mypassword
Jul 02 20:47:53 <Jesse_> cool thanx
Jul 02 20:47:58 <error454> sure
Jul 02 20:48:40 <Jesse_> is there a way to get rid of the password or to have the computer remember it
Jul 02 20:48:43 <Jesse_> or novacom
Jul 02 20:49:34 <error454> Jesse_: not that I'm aware of
Jul 02 20:49:55 <error454> Jesse_: just make a batch/shell script
Jul 02 20:50:10 <Jesse_> ok thank you
Jul 02 21:16:22 * fxspec06 sneaks into the room
Jul 02 21:16:40 <dkirker> So, how are peeps enjoying the TouchPad?
Jul 02 21:17:13 * madnificent notices fxspec06 
Jul 02 21:19:25 <dawm> fail
Jul 02 21:19:34 <dawm> > and # apparently are special characters for this one site..
Jul 02 21:19:38 <dawm> idiots
Jul 02 21:20:00 <fxspec06> damnit!
Jul 02 21:25:17 <fxspec06> so what's up everyone
Jul 02 21:27:01 <plem> everything that should be
Jul 02 21:27:32 <plem> trying to get a couple of things to work on my touchpad
Jul 02 21:28:08 <fxspec06> nice
Jul 02 21:28:10 <leiru> dkirker: im not enjoying it. i have no use for any tablet.
Jul 02 21:28:27 <leiru> i find it boring, but interesting to develop for (as more screen space)
Jul 02 21:28:40 <dkirker> o.O
Jul 02 21:28:56 <fxspec06> i'm trying to get an update ready for my mojo app that hasn't been reviewed yet
Jul 02 21:32:35 <leiru> dkirker: and in my opinion the price is far too high for that enclosure quality and juddering elements in the UI
Jul 02 21:33:10 <leiru> i liked every palm/hp release, but this time i am really disappointed.
Jul 02 21:34:22 <leiru> (maybe because such an hype was produced, that let me expected much more)
Jul 02 21:37:21 <leiru> and i feel not very happy that i do not count as certified webOS developer - as i have just 4 apps ('cause i deactivated some)
Jul 02 21:40:42 <bpadalino> you're a green belt ..
Jul 02 21:41:02 <LoneStar99> pastebin is semidown but anyways not sure if this ajax request is correct... http://www.pastie.org/private/mamgjlcrmdzwu2dr9uhb1q
Jul 02 21:41:17 <leiru> the one commercial app that isn't open source sold 2 times - i can not effort further hardware, needless to talk about the time i invested
Jul 02 21:41:29 <leiru> bpadalino: yep, and no certiefied developer
Jul 02 21:42:22 <leiru> https://developer.palm.com/content/community/hp_webos_certified_developers.html
Jul 02 21:43:45 <bpadalino> ah
Jul 02 21:44:06 <LoneStar99> i guess i fall into a certified webos developer =) almost gold ...
Jul 02 21:44:16 <dkirker> leiru: What apps do you publish?
Jul 02 21:45:40 <leiru> dkirker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbr_NZ3gdlE
Jul 02 21:45:48 <leiru> that for example
Jul 02 21:46:09 <dkirker> leiru: nice app :)
Jul 02 21:46:34 <summatusmentis> there seem to a fair amount of people unhappy with the "arbitrary" limits set for these categorizations (not that they #s were actually arbitrary, but that they're artificial cutoffs in some ways)
Jul 02 21:47:51 <leiru> dkirker: even that app makes me not qualified. or my free open source apps.
Jul 02 21:48:39 <leiru> it feels like a kick in my face, after spending one year my whole spare time, and then i do not count as qualified.
Jul 02 21:50:54 <LoneStar99> the way i look at it been developing webos since sept 99, and never have had a big selling app, so atleast now  I  have gained something from all this a potential WebOS certification.
Jul 02 21:51:34 <LoneStar99> it sucked when some pretty shitty apps won $1000 bucks and i got shit with some very good apps
Jul 02 21:52:35 <LoneStar99> so all in all nothing is fair, it is like 75% luck and 25% hardwork
Jul 02 21:52:46 <summatusmentis> well, so, the thing is, when setting up cateogires for things, at some level, there's always someone who's not going to hit the categories
Jul 02 21:53:32 <dawm> i wish i had MCR thought of, i woulda got another $1000
Jul 02 21:54:28 <summatusmentis> and that's more an issue with categorizations as a concept, and not being a perfect system
Jul 02 21:55:34 <LoneStar99> dawm:  =(
Jul 02 22:03:19 <fxspec06> my app is amazing =D
Jul 02 22:05:53 <fxspec06> it's got 407 downloads in one month in the beta feed.
Jul 02 22:07:54 <fxspec06> and it keeps getting better
Jul 02 22:09:40 <dawm> i had 570 the first month in the catalog
Jul 02 22:10:11 <fxspec06> yayyyy 1st try new feature & menu option! love it when that happens
Jul 02 22:10:20 <dawm> then averaged 250-300 for a few months after that
Jul 02 22:10:39 <fxspec06> that's pretty much what i'm hoping for
Jul 02 22:11:12 <dawm> 34k downloads of the trial
Jul 02 22:11:16 <dawm> 3k of the paid version
Jul 02 22:11:25 <dawm> 22k for another free app
Jul 02 22:11:29 <fxspec06> yeah i'm gonna put out a trial
Jul 02 22:11:44 <fxspec06> a free version won't let them experience everything
Jul 02 22:12:02 <dawm> need to get off my ass and continue working on my pdk app, just no real motivation
Jul 02 22:14:31 <fxspec06> i need to work on a crapload of images and sounds.
Jul 02 22:14:49 <fxspec06> the not-so-fun part, but also the not-as-hard part
Jul 02 22:20:07 <LoneStar99> dawm:  get back to work on the PDK!
Jul 02 22:20:08 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 02 22:21:43 <fxspec06> damn straight! you tell him, lonestar!
Jul 02 22:25:15 <LoneStar99> why are headphones called headphones not headspeakers....
Jul 02 22:25:34 <Tibfib_> #realquestions
Jul 02 22:26:22 <LoneStar99> need a new pair again, about my 6th pair in less than a year =(
Jul 02 22:26:26 <dkirker> well "phone" (φωνή, phōnē) is Greek for voice...
Jul 02 22:26:27 <fxspec06> why not headsounds
Jul 02 22:26:52 <Tibfib> look at dkirker getting all smart
Jul 02 22:27:03 <dkirker> I'd say it is an old term that has probably long outlived and evolved its original meaning.
Jul 02 22:27:06 <LoneStar99> or need a pair of "headtunes"
Jul 02 22:27:08 <fxspec06> best damn pair i ever had, i stepped on one day. $99 pair of sony MCR's i think, massive over the ear cans bought in '06
Jul 02 22:27:41 <LoneStar99> damn, i just buy 10.00 ones, they do not last me obviously
Jul 02 22:27:43 <fxspec06> i've owned shure ec3's (?), didn't like 'em
Jul 02 22:27:53 <fxspec06> i've owned various senn's, didn't like 'em
Jul 02 22:27:54 * Tibfib finally bought a nice pair of headphones
Jul 02 22:27:59 <Tibfib> klispch s4i's
Jul 02 22:28:11 <fxspec06> i got a pair of sennheiser HD70's, and i don't like 'em
Jul 02 22:28:18 <uncola> are those the type that go inside your ears?  I canh't use those
Jul 02 22:28:23 <dkirker> I need to get another Timbuk2 bag...
Jul 02 22:28:30 <fxspec06> the ones i use now i got at a casino. sharper image
Jul 02 22:28:35 <Tibfib> uncola: yep
Jul 02 22:28:39 <Tibfib> I like earbuds
Jul 02 22:28:39 <fxspec06> the shure ones are. the rest aren't
Jul 02 22:28:47 <Tibfib> don't like over the ear headphones
Jul 02 22:29:05 <fxspec06> tib: i do too, but i can't stand in ear unless they're at least $250+
Jul 02 22:29:06 <uncola> the ones that go in your ear are called In Ear Monitors I think
Jul 02 22:29:13 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 02 22:29:15 <uncola> earbuds kind of rest just outside the hole.. I can use earbuds
Jul 02 22:29:22 <uncola> but the ones that go inside cause me problems
Jul 02 22:29:27 <fxspec06> you gotta get 'em fitted
Jul 02 22:29:31 <dkirker> as far as headphones go, I am using a pair of Plantronics BackBeat 903+. They're not too bad...
Jul 02 22:29:32 <fxspec06> like baseball caps
Jul 02 22:29:57 <uncola> I use logitech clearchat comfort usb headphones.. they have a mic.. I use them for work at my call center.. it's work from home
Jul 02 22:30:00 <LoneStar99> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Earpiece.jpg
Jul 02 22:30:09 <uncola> the sound is pretty bad for music
Jul 02 22:30:27 <fxspec06> i got tired of trying to find the perfect set of headphones, so i went the home theater route instead
Jul 02 22:30:33 <uncola> I have sennheiser hd595 headphones for music but I usually don't bother to plug them in
Jul 02 22:30:40 <LoneStar99> ok laters going to the mall to shop for some new "earsounds"
Jul 02 22:31:19 <Tibfib> headspeakers or earspeakers makes more sense to me.
Jul 02 22:31:40 <LoneStar99> you boys do get jealous of my $10 earspeakers
Jul 02 22:31:47 <fxspec06> ear monitors makes the most sense to me
Jul 02 22:32:23 * oil just hung out with phil_bw for a couple hours
Jul 02 22:32:27 <fxspec06> you should be jealous of mine. they do like 2,000 milliwatt
Jul 02 22:35:51 * fxspec06 wonders why webos doesn't use IMGUR instead of photobucket
Jul 02 22:36:07 <Tibfib> oil: oh?
Jul 02 22:36:09 <Tibfib> cool!
Jul 02 22:36:11 <oil> yeah
Jul 02 22:36:25 * oil is always down to meet webos folk :)
Jul 02 22:36:51 <Tibfib> heh, hit me up if you are ever in manhattan/topeka/kc
Jul 02 22:37:05 <fxspec06> hit me up if you're ever in central MA
Jul 02 22:37:19 <rwatkins> thats a odd trio
Jul 02 22:37:27 <rwatkins> manhattan, topeka, kansas city?
Jul 02 22:37:29 <Tibfib> rwatkins: manhattan. ks.
Jul 02 22:37:34 <RagingMind> I've seen other people in my area with a pre or pixi... but none that go on irc
Jul 02 22:37:39 <Tibfib> not an odd trio
Jul 02 22:37:55 <rwatkins> ah.  thats right there are some of those places between the coasts ;)
Jul 02 22:38:05 <fxspec06> booooooooooooooooo
Jul 02 22:38:09 <oil> heh
Jul 02 22:38:13 <Tibfib> hah
Jul 02 22:38:24 * oil is going to make trip around the country crashing on webosers couches
Jul 02 22:38:36 <Tibfib> oil: eh. you can set up a tent in my back yard.
Jul 02 22:38:50 <oil> what, im not good enough for your couch?
Jul 02 22:38:51 <RagingMind> couch access denied... ouch
Jul 02 22:39:00 <oil> i see how it is
Jul 02 22:39:05 <Tibfib> oil: you can bring a couch into the tent
Jul 02 22:39:10 * rwatkins is insearch of something that can read epubs but not in a tiny mojo window.
Jul 02 22:39:25 <rwatkins> may need to swipe the source and repackage one of the existing ones ...
Jul 02 22:39:44 <RagingMind> rwatkins, pReader... but I'm guessing it's stuck in a tiny window for now
Jul 02 22:39:55 <rwatkins> RagingMind: yes, unfortunately
Jul 02 22:40:11 <rwatkins> a lil silly to sit there with a TP reading in a tiny emulator window when i also have a Pre2
Jul 02 22:40:16 <RagingMind> pReader native I think does epub, but the normal version doesn't?  *shrugs*
Jul 02 22:40:44 <rwatkins> off hunting ..
Jul 02 22:41:04 * oil skips tibfibs house on his trip
Jul 02 22:41:16 <fxspec06> have fun hunting
Jul 02 22:43:16 <RagingMind> I have a couch as long as you're not a serial killer and you don't mind cats
Jul 02 22:43:24 <Tibfib> oil: your trip got a lot lamer.
Jul 02 22:44:03 <oil> if by lamer you mean less time spent in a tent in your back yard then you're right
Jul 02 22:44:06 <Tibfib> okay, okay. I give. You can bring a couch onto our back patio.
Jul 02 22:44:18 <Tibfib> there's even an umbrella for you.
Jul 02 22:44:22 <Tibfib> and a grill
Jul 02 22:44:27 <Tibfib> but you'll have to bring supplies
Jul 02 22:44:48 <oil> i was only going to bring webos devices and a laptop
Jul 02 22:44:58 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 02 22:45:01 <RagingMind> and clothes...
Jul 02 22:45:07 <Tibfib> NO CLOTHES
Jul 02 22:45:08 <oil> not important
Jul 02 22:45:13 <Tibfib> right
Jul 02 22:45:23 <halfhalo> those can be stolen on the fly
Jul 02 22:45:30 <oil> especially if im on the couch
Jul 02 22:45:39 <Tibfib> or from tent canvas.
Jul 02 22:45:57 <RagingMind> and suddenly his trip is limited to other webos peeps that are of a similar size
Jul 02 22:46:05 <Tibfib> hahah
Jul 02 22:46:23 <oil> not important
Jul 02 22:46:29 <oil> ill make it fit
Jul 02 22:46:41 <oil> sew two of tibfibs shirts together, perfect
Jul 02 22:47:08 <halfhalo> see, my couch is my dogs bed.  he would murder you if you tried to sleep on it
Jul 02 22:47:23 <oil> we'll become fast friends
Jul 02 22:47:41 <Tibfib> or die trying.
Jul 02 22:47:49 <Tibfib> okay. gotta go
Jul 02 22:47:58 <Tibfib> this is a delightful conversation that I am sad to leave
Jul 02 22:48:04 <Tibfib> bubye
Jul 02 22:48:07 <oil> ill pick up some doggy treats on the way
Jul 02 22:48:16 <Tibfib_> or die trying.
Jul 02 22:49:11 <halfhalo> he will eat you
Jul 02 22:49:22 <oil> not if i eat him first
Jul 02 22:49:34 <oil> scare him off with the jursey shore soundboard!
Jul 02 22:49:42 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 02 22:49:51 <halfhalo> that just makes him angry
Jul 02 22:51:53 <oil> there has got to be some way to appease this monster
Jul 02 22:52:06 <halfhalo> yeah, stay off his couch
Jul 02 22:52:07 <oil> rub his tummy?
Jul 02 22:53:13 <oil> bring a hot lady dog?
Jul 02 22:53:39 <fxspec06> wheeeeeeeeeeeewww
Jul 02 22:54:54 <oil> halfhalo probably cut those important bits off his dog
Jul 02 22:55:01 <halfhalo> yup
Jul 02 22:55:11 <halfhalo> he's been fixed alright
Jul 02 22:55:20 <oil> what a cruel bastard
Jul 02 22:56:57 <oil> no wonder he is so mean
Jul 02 22:59:01 <halfhalo> he's the cousin of the dog in Click.  and a crazy little bastard
Jul 02 22:59:14 <oil> that means nothing to me
Jul 02 22:59:20 <oil> whats click?
Jul 02 22:59:30 <halfhalo> adam sandler movie
Jul 02 22:59:38 <oil> well if he's little there should be more then enough room for me on the couch with him!
Jul 02 23:02:08 <halfhalo> he's a full grown golden retriever
Jul 02 23:07:05 <Popple3> blah, when Postie was approved, it was set to be incompatible with Pixi/Veer, even though it isn't, and I can't change it myself because the submission portal forces it to 3.0.0 min webOS version :(
Jul 02 23:07:23 <oil> halfhalo, me and scruffy, we'll be best friends real fast
Jul 02 23:08:19 <Popple3> who'd be best to email about that..?
Jul 02 23:08:29 <halfhalo> you can try, but your signing a waiver beforehand
Jul 02 23:09:01 <oil> waiver schmaiver
Jul 02 23:10:28 <fxspec06> Popple3: I would email PDC
Jul 02 23:10:58 <Popple3> fxspec06: Yeah, I suppose that'd be best, rather than directing it at one particular person
Jul 02 23:11:15 <fxspec06> someone will get back to you
Jul 02 23:11:40 <fxspec06> it doesn't take very long, but their still swamped right now
Jul 02 23:11:45 <fxspec06> they're*
Jul 02 23:12:48 * fxspec06 hopes his app gets approved and not denied
Jul 02 23:13:43 <Popple3> although according to the new belt system, I don't qualify for email support.... lol
Jul 02 23:15:33 <fxspec06> really?
Jul 02 23:16:01 <fxspec06> they filter email support? ugh
Jul 02 23:16:13 <Popple3> green belt don't get email support according to the breakdown of benefits
Jul 02 23:16:32 <Popple3> I'm sure they'll still answer emails from green belts though, seems ridiculous if they don't
Jul 02 23:16:48 <fxspec06> well i'm a green belt and i got an answer two days ago
Jul 02 23:16:49 <Popple3> it's probably a matter of brown/black belts getting higher priority
Jul 02 23:16:54 <fxspec06> but that was before the chart was out
Jul 02 23:16:56 <fxspec06> =p
Jul 02 23:16:57 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 02 23:17:19 <fxspec06> rod whitby is a green belt!
Jul 02 23:17:29 <fxspec06> and he's proud of it
Jul 02 23:17:38 * halfhalo is a nobelt
Jul 02 23:17:59 * dkirker is a secret ninja
Jul 02 23:18:24 <Popple3> I don't have a belt, damn trousers keep falling down
Jul 02 23:18:25 <Popple3> -__-
Jul 02 23:19:04 <fxspec06> get some suspenders.
Jul 02 23:19:12 <dkirker> no pants!
Jul 02 23:19:27 <Popple3> fxspec06: or I could just get a belt :P
Jul 02 23:19:28 <dkirker> then we start going by the color of your undies
Jul 02 23:19:52 <fxspec06> no undies!
Jul 02 23:19:53 <Popple3> dkirker: unfortunately, the public frown upon that kinda thing
Jul 02 23:20:02 <dkirker> Popple3: haha
Jul 02 23:20:05 <Popple3> also, check's color... Black! awesome
Jul 02 23:20:07 <fxspec06> then we start going by the colour of your socks
Jul 02 23:22:26 <PuffTheMagic> has anyone messed with enyo toolbars, i've added a button to my toolbar packed end, and when i press the button i get this fun glitch http://ompldr.org/vOWJ6ag
Jul 02 23:23:19 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic: used toolbar, did not see that glitch
Jul 02 23:23:43 <rwatkins> I also put mine in a toolbar group though
Jul 02 23:23:54 <PuffTheMagic> :/ forgot about that
Jul 02 23:25:54 <akanster> packed?
Jul 02 23:26:48 <PuffTheMagic> rwatkins, but the group would cause the buttons to be packed togther
Jul 02 23:27:58 <PuffTheMagic> akanster, ya pack: 'end' alights it on the right
Jul 02 23:28:49 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic: you're trying to space them out across the toolbar?
Jul 02 23:29:49 <PuffTheMagic> no i just have 1 button right now and i want it on the far right of hte toolbar
Jul 02 23:30:02 <PuffTheMagic> which i can do
Jul 02 23:30:05 <PuffTheMagic> but when  click the button
Jul 02 23:30:14 <PuffTheMagic> it shifts over to the right a little
Jul 02 23:30:36 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic: using a ToolButton?
Jul 02 23:31:21 <PuffTheMagic> happens with both button and toolbutton
Jul 02 23:32:35 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic: not sure then - havent seen it. would suggest looking thru other HP apps and see how they've structured their toolbars.
Jul 02 23:32:55 <rwatkins> I have Toolbar -> ToolButtonGroup -> ToolButton and all is good, but they also only have icons.
Jul 02 23:35:36 <akanster> PuffTheMagic: in the components that holds your button have {flex: 1} and {kind: "Button"}
Jul 02 23:36:59 <akanster> PuffTheMagic: http://pastebin.com/ds9sWQnP
Jul 02 23:39:35 <PuffTheMagic> same thing happens
Jul 02 23:40:07 * rwatkins suspects user error.
Jul 02 23:40:55 <PuffTheMagic> ya, user error tapping a button
Jul 02 23:41:20 <rwatkins> tear it all back down into a simple app and see if there is not some other odd interaction going on.
Jul 02 23:41:59 <akanster> and nothing funky happening in the onclick ?
Jul 02 23:42:15 <PuffTheMagic> i dont have an onclick handler yet
Jul 02 23:42:47 <rwatkins> App, single pane, single toolbar, single button.  Then see if it repros.
Jul 02 23:43:08 <rwatkins> I suspect you have something odd there, not that enyo just cant draw a button correctly in the toolbar.
Jul 02 23:44:27 <akanster> yeah, I have that in my code and it works as expected
Jul 02 23:54:05 <Deihmos> i read HP os giving away touch pads if you buy a veer
Jul 02 23:55:27 <haeffb> so, BestBuy had TouchPads, but no accessories (except Invisible Shield)
Jul 02 23:55:41 <haeffb> Wal-Mart had TouchPads, but only the power charger.
Jul 02 23:55:55 <haeffb> another Wal-Mart had nothing
Jul 02 23:58:20 <ddluk> I get few seconds ago message from one of users of my application that he get update to my application. The problem is that I see that this version is awaiting review in portal.
Jul 02 23:59:18 <ddluk> Could you check in App Catalog Children's Piano application version. It will help me report problem. On my touchpad I see still 1.2.0
Jul 02 23:59:37 <ddluk> my client see 1.2.1
Jul 03 00:06:58 <haeffb> i see 1.2.0
Jul 03 00:07:22 <ddluk> hmmm
Jul 03 00:13:31 <Popple3> Just wondering, has anyone else had 0 downloads on their apps for the last while?
Jul 03 00:14:35 <Popple3> Oh no wait, I'm looking at my stats wrong, that's today, as in the last hour and 10 mins
Jul 03 00:14:37 <Popple3> derp
Jul 03 00:14:40 <Popple3> never mind
Jul 03 00:15:47 <AndrewX192> Hello, Is it possible to activate/create a new WebOS account on a Palm Pixi without activating it on a carrier? (Not sure if WebOS Meta-Doctor is capable of doing this)
Jul 03 00:17:04 <fxspec06> that's weird. how can two diff touchpads show two diff versions ?
Jul 03 00:17:21 <fxspec06> Andrew - it is possible
Jul 03 00:17:47 <fxspec06> need to find the webos activation tool and install
Jul 03 00:18:01 <fxspec06> that will bypass the first use app
Jul 03 00:18:08 <fxspec06> then when you're in the phone set up your wifi network
Jul 03 00:18:22 <fxspec06> and run the gesture tutorial. that will take you to account creation screen
Jul 03 00:18:45 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html
Jul 03 00:19:13 <Popple3> Has anyone with a TouchPad tried an mkv file..? I'm guessing it won't work, but no harm asking
Jul 03 00:21:48 <PuffTheMagic> rwatkins, figured it out
Jul 03 00:21:55 <PuffTheMagic> guess you can have a toolbar in a pane
Jul 03 00:22:09 <PuffTheMagic> and expect it to behave
Jul 03 00:31:54 <haeffb> anyone heard what PreCentral plans to do (if anything) regarding a homebrew repository for webOS 3.0 apps?
Jul 03 00:33:17 <CTLAdvance> good evenin
Jul 03 00:33:18 <CTLAdvance> g
Jul 03 00:33:25 <haeffb> oh, I handled a Veer today. They're small.
Jul 03 00:34:27 <CTLAdvance> Yeah I was looking at the veer today way to small
Jul 03 00:34:42 <CTLAdvance> they had 3 reps for HP today at our local bestbuy
Jul 03 00:34:58 <CTLAdvance> I was talking to them about the touchpad launch
Jul 03 00:37:25 <AndrewX192> fxspec06: I get "Profile Creation Failed" when trying to activate with Meta-Doctor
Jul 03 00:41:21 <CTLAdvance> I have to say, one of the HP reps was decked out for webOS, nice white shirt, huge HP WebOS badge, but, he had his personal pre-, and an HP Veer, and touchpad
Jul 03 00:41:32 <CTLAdvance> I would have expected them to have Pre3's
Jul 03 00:42:00 <CTLAdvance> but I guess since they arent for sale, you cant set expectations...
Jul 03 00:45:32 <AndrewX192> I started following http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Bypassing_Activation, but I get "Invalid ROMToken build variant" on the luna-send command.
Jul 03 00:53:48 <akanster> Anyone here use {kind: "HelpMenu"} in their AppMenu?
Jul 03 01:01:30 <fxspec06> PRE 3 FOR PREORDER
Jul 03 01:01:53 <fxspec06> http://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secMddUrAURXZo/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB437AA-ABU
Jul 03 01:02:05 <fxspec06> expected to ship: MID JULY
Jul 03 01:02:41 <akanster> whoa
Jul 03 01:04:12 <oil> though, the touchpad also says mid july on that site haha
Jul 03 01:05:43 <fxspec06> well in all fairness that is the euro site
Jul 03 01:05:58 <fxspec06> and the TP is shipping in mid july in europe, amirite? =p
Jul 03 01:06:07 <oil> no clue
Jul 03 01:06:18 <fxspec06> maybe europe gets pre 3 first then
Jul 03 01:06:20 <fxspec06> and later in US
Jul 03 01:06:51 <CTLAdvance> or maybe thats just a goal
Jul 03 01:08:39 <CTLAdvance> I hope that they launch it soon, they really need a good device in the market
Jul 03 01:08:53 * oil really hopes it comes to sprinit :/
Jul 03 01:09:03 * CTLAdvance left sprint in march for ATT
Jul 03 01:09:09 * CTLAdvance says forget sprint
Jul 03 01:09:11 <CTLAdvance> :/
Jul 03 01:09:16 <oil> well my contract is up
Jul 03 01:09:19 <oil> no reason to switch right now
Jul 03 01:09:25 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jul 03 01:09:31 <oil> just floating to see what happens
Jul 03 01:10:18 <CTLAdvance> I got sick of pre2 performance lags on unofficial software so jumped over to ATT
Jul 03 01:10:22 <CTLAdvance> also ATT was cheaper for me
Jul 03 01:10:28 <summatusmentis> oil: where are you going if it's not on sprint?
Jul 03 01:10:51 <oil> my work has verizon, and apparently i can get a discount if i switch to them
Jul 03 01:11:01 <oil> and why make cdma pre3 if its not going to one of those two
Jul 03 01:11:12 <summatusmentis> granted
Jul 03 01:11:24 <summatusmentis> I guess I was curious if you would stick w/ cdma, or go gsm
Jul 03 01:11:30 <oil> idk
Jul 03 01:11:37 <oil> doesn't really matter
Jul 03 01:11:37 <CTLAdvance> yeah I thought about Verizon, but they do something funny where the discount is only allowed on one line where ATT and Sprint allow it for all
Jul 03 01:11:45 <oil> vzw gets better service then att at my work
Jul 03 01:11:56 <CTLAdvance> yeah, I think vzw is pretty good
Jul 03 01:11:58 <oil> att doesnt have 3g out there
Jul 03 01:12:03 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jul 03 01:12:10 <CTLAdvance> ATT has 3G?
Jul 03 01:12:11 <discombobulate> i always got multi discounts on my lines with vzw
Jul 03 01:12:17 <summatusmentis> I'm really intrigued by the ability of having a sim card
Jul 03 01:12:23 <oil> yeah
Jul 03 01:12:24 <discombobulate> in fact they owe me 3 still
Jul 03 01:12:26 <CTLAdvance> must be based on business
Jul 03 01:12:34 <oil> being able to switch with just a card is awesome
Jul 03 01:12:37 <oil> im sure
Jul 03 01:12:46 <PuffTheMagic> oil, pre3 will def be on vzw
Jul 03 01:12:54 <oil> but like with sprint, you can just go on the net and be like "switch my line to this device"
Jul 03 01:12:55 <PuffTheMagic> i am still hoping for sprint though
Jul 03 01:12:56 <summatusmentis> guys, this 50gb box.net stuff... backing for HPs music/movie synergy thing?
Jul 03 01:12:59 <oil> and it sends you an email when its done
Jul 03 01:13:20 <PuffTheMagic> oil, not to mention unlimited data on sprint
Jul 03 01:13:23 <summatusmentis> oil: that's true, doesn't give you the ability to walk away and take your phone with you though
Jul 03 01:13:25 <oil> yeah
Jul 03 01:14:02 <oil> but really, i've got a device on my desk that will work on any of the big 3 in the us haha
Jul 03 01:14:05 <CTLAdvance> yeah if you push over 5gb, sprint is the way to go
Jul 03 01:14:27 <discombobulate> does sprint still have unlimited plans?
Jul 03 01:14:31 <PuffTheMagic> CTLAdvance, i do that in pandora alone
Jul 03 01:14:31 <summatusmentis> VZW is gonna start charging more for anything > 2GB
Jul 03 01:14:31 <discombobulate> vzw killed unlimited :/
Jul 03 01:14:40 <oil> :(
Jul 03 01:14:55 <discombobulate> i'm locked in because of my prior contract, at least
Jul 03 01:14:55 <summatusmentis> discombobulate: they do, for now, I don't see them keeping that though, long tem
Jul 03 01:14:57 <CTLAdvance> I looked at our usage and since we always have a wifi spot, were below 250mb/person a month
Jul 03 01:15:06 <CTLAdvance> so I have 2gb plans on each line
Jul 03 01:15:09 <oil> PuffTheMagic: freetetherenyo will need tts to automatically connect tablet :)
Jul 03 01:15:24 <halfhalo> oil: YES
Jul 03 01:15:25 <PuffTheMagic> lol right
Jul 03 01:15:29 <halfhalo> OH GOD YES
Jul 03 01:15:47 <PuffTheMagic> i need to get webos2webos bt PAN working
Jul 03 01:15:49 <PuffTheMagic> that is more important
Jul 03 01:15:56 <oil> i used it for the first time today
Jul 03 01:16:01 <PuffTheMagic> FT?
Jul 03 01:16:04 <halfhalo> I have the 4GB tethering plan right now
Jul 03 01:16:07 <PuffTheMagic> what a turd
Jul 03 01:16:08 <halfhalo> works well enough
Jul 03 01:16:11 <oil> haha
Jul 03 01:16:16 <oil> well, id used it to test before
Jul 03 01:16:18 <oil> but never in the wild
Jul 03 01:16:24 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Jul 03 01:16:34 <PuffTheMagic> i hardly used it before  i came out here to Dayton
Jul 03 01:16:35 <CTLAdvance> there is alot of wifi around now
Jul 03 01:16:40 <PuffTheMagic> but i havent passed the security check yet
Jul 03 01:16:43 <CTLAdvance> but good to have in a pinch
Jul 03 01:16:47 <PuffTheMagic> so i dont have computer access
Jul 03 01:16:50 * halfhalo has used FT twice before
Jul 03 01:16:52 <PuffTheMagic> so i have to tether at work all day long
Jul 03 01:17:12 <CTLAdvance> I have used it 3 times, mostly because airports were to cheap to provide public wifi
Jul 03 01:17:16 <halfhalo> but i hardly ever tethered before.
Jul 03 01:17:36 <oil> but seriously, tap to share the connection
Jul 03 01:17:38 <oil> and it just works
Jul 03 01:17:39 <CTLAdvance> infact I think I used wirc to get it installed one day when I needed it
Jul 03 01:17:40 <oil> ++
Jul 03 01:17:44 <CTLAdvance> I was in atlanta for 5 hours
Jul 03 01:17:52 <CTLAdvance> oil may have helped me with that
Jul 03 01:18:04 <oil> lol
Jul 03 01:18:06 <conradev> Does anyone know if the Enyo update for the Eclipse plugin have been pushed out?
Jul 03 01:18:06 <CTLAdvance> and for that, I thanks you
Jul 03 01:18:11 <conradev> *has
Jul 03 01:18:14 * oil doesnt remember
Jul 03 01:18:17 <halfhalo> oil: look at the browser appinfo.  theres a tts flag in it.  should be possible to do stuff with that
Jul 03 01:18:34 <oil> PuffTheMagic: ^^
Jul 03 01:18:48 <PuffTheMagic> I DONT CARE YET
Jul 03 01:18:51 <oil> haha
Jul 03 01:18:53 <PuffTheMagic> i dont have a veer or pre3
Jul 03 01:18:59 <oil> not yet
Jul 03 01:19:05 <PuffTheMagic> probably ever
Jul 03 01:19:15 <fxspec06> my contract is thru september
Jul 03 01:19:25 <fxspec06> i should make it til then with pre 2
Jul 03 01:19:30 <PuffTheMagic> oil, my next webos device is gonna be a samsung phone
Jul 03 01:19:38 <CTLAdvance> They are pushing hard this quality apps vs quantity... especially the reps selling the TP
Jul 03 01:19:41 <CTLAdvance> HP Reps*
Jul 03 01:20:00 <PuffTheMagic> CTLAdvance, lol
Jul 03 01:20:05 <PuffTheMagic> the Facebook app still sucks
Jul 03 01:20:15 <CTLAdvance> then as I got into discussion they asked me what I thought of this
Jul 03 01:20:33 <oil> should have been like "oh, its got kindle reader?"
Jul 03 01:20:37 <oil> "can we check it out?"
Jul 03 01:20:40 <PuffTheMagic> i love apps that make you tap a 8px font link with a 40px finger
Jul 03 01:20:41 <CTLAdvance> and I had to inform them for example, on IOS, its quantity is huge, but there is a much bigger selection of quality...
Jul 03 01:21:08 <CTLAdvance> android, the jury is still out...
Jul 03 01:22:39 <akanster> is there a Box.net windows client?
Jul 03 01:24:10 <CTLAdvance> veer is really tiny
Jul 03 01:24:20 <CTLAdvance> its even smaller in person
Jul 03 01:24:56 <PuffTheMagic> i when i saw it in BB the other day lauched
Jul 03 01:25:12 <PuffTheMagic> reminds me of that SNL skit back in the day with Will Ferrel
Jul 03 01:25:41 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTaS-GaBmA
Jul 03 01:25:47 <PuffTheMagic> this one ^^
Jul 03 01:29:43 * haeffb really likes the facebook app
Jul 03 01:29:51 <haeffb> and I haven't been using facebook for months
Jul 03 01:30:09 <PuffTheMagic> it has the same usability issues as the first version did
Jul 03 01:32:07 <LoneStar99> got me self a $5 dollar pair of head-speakers
Jul 03 01:32:13 <haeffb> I guess that depends what you want to use it for
Jul 03 01:32:42 <PuffTheMagic> there are too many small links close together
Jul 03 01:35:47 <PuffTheMagic> the pixi feels so damn small after using a TP
Jul 03 01:37:14 <AndrewX192> So, anyone have suggestions on activating a Palm Pixi Plus that has never been on a carrier and will never be to access the application calatog?
Jul 03 01:43:43 <fxspec06> no wayyy
Jul 03 01:43:52 <fxspec06> wat kind @lonestar
Jul 03 01:52:06 <LoneStar99> some cheap philips
Jul 03 01:52:16 * fxspec06 waves arms frantically
Jul 03 01:52:21 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 03 01:52:30 <LoneStar99> they only last me 2 months max, so cheap as they come
Jul 03 01:52:42 <fxspec06> are they the kind that go behind the head and around the ear
Jul 03 01:53:04 <fxspec06> those were my fav, but i can never find them
Jul 03 01:53:59 <SineOt> The adhesives they use on the undersides of a touchstone are killer :F
Jul 03 01:54:48 <fxspec06> good! they better be =) how can you tell?
Jul 03 01:55:09 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  neah "in ear - headphones" it states on the box
Jul 03 01:55:36 <fxspec06> should be: in head-earphones
Jul 03 01:55:47 <fxspec06> earspeakers
Jul 03 01:56:06 <SineOt> How can I tell? I'm trying to take it off :F
Jul 03 01:56:22 * halfhalo cries.  he cracked his panda
Jul 03 01:56:49 <CTLAdvance> break your veer
Jul 03 01:56:51 <CTLAdvance> ?
Jul 03 01:56:57 <halfhalo> yes
Jul 03 01:57:03 <fxspec06> ='(
Jul 03 01:57:04 <CTLAdvance> screen
Jul 03 01:57:05 <CTLAdvance> ?
Jul 03 01:57:10 <halfhalo> the white casing is cracked in two places
Jul 03 01:57:15 <CTLAdvance> figures
Jul 03 01:57:16 <LoneStar99> yeah -"in-head ear speakers"
Jul 03 01:58:25 <haeffb> "enyo head"
Jul 03 01:58:55 * haeffb thinking about signing up for Amazon Prime to get some streaming video on the TouchPad
Jul 03 02:00:36 <LoneStar99> so far everything enyo has taking me hours to get working...
Jul 03 02:00:37 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 03 02:00:49 <LoneStar99> taking / taken
Jul 03 02:02:58 <fxspec06> so far i've tried to get things done today, but end up getting sidetracked every step of the way
Jul 03 02:03:17 * fxspec06 's enlgish sucks.
Jul 03 02:03:48 <SineOt> nonnative speaker?
Jul 03 02:04:58 <fxspec06> nope, just was always horrible at english class
Jul 03 02:05:11 <SineOt> ahaha
Jul 03 02:05:23 <fxspec06> math science straight a's
Jul 03 02:05:24 <SineOt> well you do better than some of the people I've seen who want to be English Majors :T
Jul 03 02:05:33 <fxspec06> english lucky to be a d
Jul 03 02:05:52 <fxspec06> lol thanks =p
Jul 03 02:06:11 <LoneStar99> i sucked at english class also, if i remember correctly...
Jul 03 02:08:09 <haeffb> LoneStar: how long did it take you to get up to speed on mojo?
Jul 03 02:08:32 <haeffb> LoneStar99:
Jul 03 02:09:43 <CTLAdvance> mojo was easy so long as you knew how to webdev
Jul 03 02:11:02 <fxspec06> take a look at this icon i made today
Jul 03 02:11:07 <fxspec06> not sure how i did it
Jul 03 02:11:07 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/avTxs.png
Jul 03 02:11:52 <CTLAdvance> we need a visual studio plugin
Jul 03 02:12:29 <SineOt> fxspec06: I can tell how you did it :U
Jul 03 02:12:40 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 03 02:12:59 <fxspec06> i did it the very long convoluted way
Jul 03 02:13:07 <fxspec06> =D
Jul 03 02:13:19 <LoneStar99> haeffb: like a few days
Jul 03 02:13:20 <oil> that is not an icon
Jul 03 02:13:23 <oil> its way too big
Jul 03 02:13:37 <SineOt> oil: stock OSX icons are 512x512 lol
Jul 03 02:13:38 <fxspec06> i know it's the icon-huge
Jul 03 02:13:51 <fxspec06> icon-large is 64
Jul 03 02:13:52 <oil> thats ridiculous
Jul 03 02:13:56 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 03 02:13:59 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  kinda started the same way, trial and error
Jul 03 02:14:19 <chpwn> Can Node.js services open sockets on webOS?
Jul 03 02:14:23 <haeffb> yeah, I'm just saying, you can't expect to be an expert in enyo in an hour or two
Jul 03 02:14:53 <halfhalo> chpwn: tcp/udp yes.   dunno about unix via services
Jul 03 02:15:02 <chpwn> okay, cool.
Jul 03 02:15:30 <CTLAdvance> my plan is to skip enyo as I want this stuff to stay as consistent as possible across multiple platforms
Jul 03 02:15:39 <CTLAdvance> so I am hoping to deploy without need much of it
Jul 03 02:15:48 <CTLAdvance> if any is needed at all
Jul 03 02:15:53 <LoneStar99> haeffb: lol true that, almost have everything i need for this app, just can't get ajax requests to display anything
Jul 03 02:16:25 <oil> http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/02/google-bids-pi-for-nortels-wireless-patent-stash-brings-comedy/
Jul 03 02:16:28 <oil> is why i like google
Jul 03 02:16:38 <haeffb> are you using Prototype in your app?
Jul 03 02:17:56 <CTLAdvance> google is mentally disabled, ever since 2005
Jul 03 02:18:14 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance: you just using plain ole javascript?
Jul 03 02:18:19 <CTLAdvance> they lack clear leadership
Jul 03 02:18:35 <CTLAdvance> ah sorry wasnt sure if that was directed at me
Jul 03 02:18:52 <LoneStar99> i think google wants to be everywhere, and it is impossible to be
Jul 03 02:18:52 <CTLAdvance> using javascript classes and html5/webkit
Jul 03 02:19:06 <CTLAdvance> plan is to be consistent across IOS, Android, and WebOS.
Jul 03 02:19:23 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance: yeah that makes alot of sense
Jul 03 02:19:43 <CTLAdvance> plan is to be mostly drag and drop except for api calls provided by phonegap on IOS/Android and WebOS
Jul 03 02:20:20 <CTLAdvance> I am using prototypes as I define JS classes, but I am not using prototype.JS
Jul 03 02:20:44 <haeffb> sorry, was asking LoneStar99
Jul 03 02:20:55 <haeffb> because Ajax.Request is Prototype.js
Jul 03 02:20:59 <CTLAdvance> in other words none of this crap... $$?ALSHILHE:H#$$$$$'
Jul 03 02:21:00 <CTLAdvance> err
Jul 03 02:21:02 <CTLAdvance> $
Jul 03 02:21:02 <CTLAdvance> $$
Jul 03 02:21:46 <LoneStar99> google: browser, mobile, energy, tablet, laptop, auto, search, advertisement, games, social network, email, enterprise, cloud services, voicemail, and not sure what is next...
Jul 03 02:22:01 <haeffb> so I was wondering if by "ajax request" he meant he was using Prototype in his enyo app
Jul 03 02:22:17 <LoneStar99> haeffb: using this as refernce --> file:///C:/Users/dango-mango/Documents/_WebOS/docs-sdk-3.0b5_v2/docs/docs.html#dev-guide/enyo/web-service.html
Jul 03 02:22:34 <LoneStar99> haeffb: this is my code --> http://www.pastie.org/private/mamgjlcrmdzwu2dr9uhb1q
Jul 03 02:23:50 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance: $$ kind $$ kind $$ kind, LOL
Jul 03 02:24:58 <haeffb> LoneStar99: gotResultsSuccess: should be a separate method of your containing kind (hope I said that correctly...!)
Jul 03 02:25:15 <haeffb> not a function inside the DaHandle() function
Jul 03 02:25:21 <CTLAdvance> yeah google will start to fail as they continue to expand, or products will remain in beta
Jul 03 02:25:38 <CTLAdvance> they need to focus on its core
Jul 03 02:25:58 <oil> oh, fireworks goin off
Jul 03 02:26:15 <LoneStar99> CTLAdvance: i agree "google that"
Jul 03 02:26:57 <LoneStar99> haeffb:  did i setup the ajax kind stuff correctly though?
Jul 03 02:27:27 <haeffb> near as I can tell, yes
Jul 03 02:27:33 <fxspec06> i like mojo
Jul 03 02:27:38 * fxspec06 likes mojo
Jul 03 02:28:22 * oil <3 mojo
Jul 03 02:28:31 * haeffb used to like mojo
Jul 03 02:28:50 * haeffb is a dirty dog chasing the latest skirt...
Jul 03 02:29:04 <Grabber> :)
Jul 03 02:29:10 * haeffb fails at using 1950's lingo
Jul 03 02:29:21 <oil> been a long time?
Jul 03 02:29:36 <haeffb> it
Jul 03 02:29:47 <haeffb> 's hard to find anyone left to practice on
Jul 03 02:29:58 <haeffb> you whippersnappers don't recognize it
Jul 03 02:30:07 * oil walks through haeffbs lawn
Jul 03 02:30:17 <LoneStar99> mojo is #1
Jul 03 02:30:18 * haeffb shakes fist and yells at oil
Jul 03 02:30:19 <Grabber> I don't understand :D
Jul 03 02:30:31 <LoneStar99> enyo is #2 for now
Jul 03 02:31:13 <Grabber> I'm used to hacking html elements in mojo... going to be a pain in enyo I think
Jul 03 02:31:33 * oil leaves burning sack of crap on haeffbs doorstep and rings the doorbell
Jul 03 02:31:54 <haeffb> "damn kids!"
Jul 03 02:31:57 <Grabber> :D
Jul 03 02:45:03 * haeffb blames oil for scaring Grabber away
Jul 03 02:45:12 <oil> :(
Jul 03 02:46:48 * oil tries to think of more old man jokes to throw at haeffb 
Jul 03 02:47:13 * CTLAdvance sprays dispersant on oil
Jul 03 02:47:19 <oil> psh
Jul 03 02:47:54 * CTLAdvance gets out his thanksgiving turkey flavor injector to use with dispersant
Jul 03 02:48:01 * CTLAdvance pokes himself by mistake
Jul 03 02:48:05 * CTLAdvance oushes
Jul 03 02:48:18 * PuffTheMagic wishes there was a SpinnerLarger
Jul 03 02:48:39 <oil> heh
Jul 03 02:49:47 <CTLAdvance> the webos rep at bestbuy had an oily screen
Jul 03 02:49:54 <CTLAdvance> even he blames oil
Jul 03 02:50:07 <PuffTheMagic> im going to BB tomorrow to put preware on the demo units
Jul 03 02:50:23 <CTLAdvance> ugh
Jul 03 02:50:35 <CTLAdvance> isnt the point to give them a device they dont need to patch
Jul 03 02:50:42 <CTLAdvance> you may confuse them
Jul 03 02:50:56 <PuffTheMagic> preware isnt just for patches
Jul 03 02:51:10 <CTLAdvance> oh what is this for? to make improvements? they arent built in? etc etc etc ipad sold!
Jul 03 02:51:13 <CTLAdvance> so be careful
Jul 03 02:51:15 <CTLAdvance> I know
Jul 03 02:51:29 <CTLAdvance> make sure the webOS rep (if youi have one) understands :)
Jul 03 02:53:50 <CTLAdvance> my bb was supposed to have 6 demo's they had 2, and 2 coming soon signs
Jul 03 02:54:03 <CTLAdvance> I told them to change the signs
Jul 03 02:57:13 <PuffTheMagic> mine had 6
Jul 03 02:57:19 <PuffTheMagic> if u mean a dual sides display
Jul 03 02:57:25 <PuffTheMagic> with 2 veers and 1 tp on each side
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