**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 03 02:59:57 2011 Jul 03 03:01:29 mine had a tp and 2 non-functional veers Jul 03 03:01:34 and no tp accessories Jul 03 03:01:40 i just finished "Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said" - philip k. dick Jul 03 03:01:47 amid a bunch of iShit Jul 03 03:01:49 haeffb: do i need a list to view json results? Jul 03 03:01:53 hm 5 in the morning Jul 03 03:01:56 flow my beers, the brewmaster said Jul 03 03:02:27 no, try this.log(myResults); Jul 03 03:02:38 uncola: pass me a cold one! Jul 03 03:03:05 * uncola hurls a bottle at LoneStar99's head with titanic force Jul 03 03:03:23 * CTLAdvance intercepts Jul 03 03:03:29 the titanic didn't even dent the iceberg, for what that's worth Jul 03 03:03:49 LoneStar99: are you devleoping in Chrome/Safari/etc? Jul 03 03:04:21 man looked all over today, couldn't find the case for the touchpad Jul 03 03:05:41 got the keyboard and touchstone though, woo hoo Jul 03 03:06:34 haeffb: sfair Jul 03 03:06:38 safari Jul 03 03:06:53 uncola thanks! Jul 03 03:08:03 so, then you should be able to see the results using this.log() or console.log() Jul 03 03:08:58 maybe this.log(enyo.json.parse(myResults)); Jul 03 03:09:56 haeffb: does safari have a browser menu option to view logs? Jul 03 03:10:53 look at either the develop menu or the inspector Jul 03 03:11:23 oh ok... Jul 03 03:11:40 i think there is a problem with "gotResultsSuccess: function(inSender, inResponse) { }" Jul 03 03:13:04 checking out safari developer extensions Jul 03 03:13:34 and.... LoneStar99 is distracted by another shiny toy... Jul 03 03:14:02 LoneStar99: right click, "inspect element" Jul 03 03:14:35 you've got a script debugger, a speed profiler, timing reports, etc Jul 03 03:17:59 hmm... not an avid user of safari... Jul 03 03:20:14 ok will code later, time for brews in ole mexico Jul 03 03:20:32 thanks for the help, will figure out my enyo ajax issue later Jul 03 03:22:32 I am so happy with the 50gb of box.net Jul 03 03:22:45 Totally using box.net for all my cloud stuff from now on. Jul 03 03:27:21 I hope the box.net stuff ends up being the backing for "Music synergy" or whatever Jul 03 03:27:41 50GB of free music storage in the cloud, with streaming to webos devices? golden Jul 03 03:27:42 a could be Jul 03 03:27:57 s/a/ahh/ Jul 03 03:28:18 cool Jul 03 03:28:42 I'd rather it be separate! Jul 03 03:28:49 50GB for my stuff, then a bonus 50GB for music :p Jul 03 03:28:56 box.net is a synergy provider Jul 03 03:29:02 SineOt: if they make that happen, even better :) Jul 03 03:29:08 which means any webos app can use it Jul 03 03:29:16 many already use it Jul 03 03:29:20 or work with it Jul 03 03:29:39 really? I didn't know that, that's neat Jul 03 03:29:46 I don't have a TP yet Jul 03 03:30:16 what other providers are there? Jul 03 03:30:23 mojo wirc scales nicely Jul 03 03:30:27 dropbox Jul 03 03:30:32 I know that the editor thing on 2.x does Dropbox and Box.net Jul 03 03:30:46 editor? Jul 03 03:30:47 or viewer Jul 03 03:31:00 dropbox is insecure >:( Jul 03 03:31:16 50gb is a LOTTTTTT Jul 03 03:31:25 viewer, soon to be editor (I hope) Jul 03 03:31:53 SineOt: so you get 50 / music 50 / anything else?!!! Jul 03 03:31:58 summatusmentis: not like I store anything of actual value on there, OH NOES THEY GOT MY SCHOOL PAPERS ;_; Jul 03 03:32:36 SineOt: and names of your teachers, and rough times you would have been in class, and relative interests of yours Jul 03 03:33:06 summatusmentis: you're assuming a pretty big assumption there though Jul 03 03:33:27 that someone would care enough to go through all of that trouble to get at the files, go through all of them, and then act on it Jul 03 03:33:33 SineOt: security/privacy isn't about having something to hide Jul 03 03:33:54 twbbas-touchpad: I only was able to get wirc in emulated mode, how do you get it scaled? Jul 03 03:33:58 there's things worth protecting, like passwords and actual sensitive materials, but really :I Jul 03 03:34:02 SineOt: some people may, who knows, maybe they look you up on facebook and decide you're foxy :) Jul 03 03:34:22 summatusmentis: sounds like a win win for me in the end :3 Jul 03 03:34:29 Flashpass: I enabled testing feeds. maybe that did it. Jul 03 03:34:39 ah will do Jul 03 03:34:40 SineOt: frankly, I agree with you, mostly. The larger issue here is supporting cloud providers with insecure infrastructure, which gets dangerous quickly Jul 03 03:36:10 * PuffTheMagic watched IP Man 2 while working on secret ap Jul 03 03:36:26 twbbas-touchpad: do you have to add the testing feed manually? Jul 03 03:36:32 summatusmentis: what have I missed, other than the directed password skip thing from a few days/weeks ago, and the whole store one copy of a file thing? Jul 03 03:38:03 SineOt: directed password skip? I saw something about being able to completely decrypt files with the proper access in their infrastructure Jul 03 03:38:26 summatusmentis: there was some "bug" that allowed people to log into accounts with just the email address of the account Jul 03 03:38:28 Flashpass: yes. I did it through command line from the webos-internals wiki Jul 03 03:38:58 SineOt: ah, I was talking more about what I mentioned above Jul 03 03:39:00 but after investigating it they weren't sure wtf happened because it was only like 100 accounts accessed all from the same IP and only a few actually had files accessed Jul 03 03:39:25 that's super weird Jul 03 03:39:29 I hadn't heard that Jul 03 03:39:39 huge security problem, sure, but it comes across more like someone knowing the infrastructure inside and out, knowing who had files they wanted, and went from there Jul 03 03:40:33 summatusmentis: http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=821 Jul 03 03:40:40 granted. "Cloud" just means a lot of data in centrally located places, and if cloud providers are setting a low standard of precedence, it scares me Jul 03 03:41:50 I will say that it's nice that Dropbox has been telling people that if they are worried about the security of their files that they can use Truecrypt to secure them prior to uploading to Dropbox and that everything will work just hunky dory and the only person who has the encryption keys at that point would be you Jul 03 03:42:29 (super double bonus points for OSX's built in handling of AES-256 encrypted Disk Images that can be mounted on boot) Jul 03 03:42:44 twbbas-touchpad: got it, thanks Jul 03 03:43:02 that's true, an extra layer of security clearly alleviates many of the issues Jul 03 03:43:35 I really should look into doing that sometime, now that I think about it. Use Dropbox to house an encrypted DMG that gets mounted on login Jul 03 03:43:39 Flashpass: no problem. How does tab complete work in wIRC? I could never figure it out. Jul 03 03:43:41 i'm just bummed I already chose dropbox a while back and they partnered with box haha Jul 03 03:44:09 b'awwwww http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/future-webos-devices-will-no-longer-have-gesture-area/ Jul 03 03:44:14 twbbas-touchpad: I'm not using wirc, i'm on the online freenode java client lol Jul 03 03:44:53 Flashpass: Was just curious. Have you used it before? Jul 03 03:45:47 twbbas-touchpad: yeah on my Pre2 however, no tab button that I knew of :/ Jul 03 03:46:18 Flashpass: It's stuffed away in preferences. Jul 03 03:50:02 twbbas-touchpad: what secion are the testing feed instructions under? Jul 03 03:51:42 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 03 03:52:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jul 03 03:52:55 Flashpass ^ Jul 03 03:53:13 thanks! Jul 03 03:53:22 np Jul 03 03:53:45 umm... http://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secMddUrAURXZo/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB437AA-ABU Jul 03 03:54:25 yeah I saw that. looks like it's coming soon! Jul 03 03:55:42 oooo Angry Birds HD is free on TouchPad. Win! Jul 03 03:56:29 yeah :P Jul 03 03:57:42 Future webOS Devices Will No Longer Have Gesture Area [UPDATE: *SOME* Won't!] @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/future-webos-devices-will-no-longer-have-gesture-area/ Jul 03 03:57:44 hola seniorita PatrickC Jul 03 03:57:52 lol.. Jul 03 03:58:03 =p Jul 03 03:58:10 séníor :P Jul 03 03:58:11 some won't Jul 03 03:58:14 (I think?) Jul 03 03:58:14 man. what I don't get is why HP didn't review my in-app-item the same time as my app. Now it won't get reviewed until Tuesday while my app was out yesterday. :( Jul 03 03:58:27 i can't do the thingies over the 'i' Jul 03 03:58:39 back in the day alt + some combo did it Jul 03 03:58:43 but not any more Jul 03 03:58:51 I'm on my pre2 Jul 03 03:58:51 í touchpad keyboard ftw Jul 03 03:58:53 it does it Jul 03 03:58:56 twbbas-touchpad: what app did you work on? Jul 03 03:59:08 some future phones not having gesture areas? Jul 03 03:59:12 slate phone :Q Jul 03 03:59:16 ¶ this TouchPad™ Rox! Jul 03 03:59:20 haha Jul 03 03:59:21 Flashpass: Differences. It's a spot-the-difference gamd Jul 03 03:59:24 if it's a qwerty device, gesture area, slate, none? Jul 03 03:59:24 not on my computer. =( Jul 03 03:59:53 slate phone should have gesture area!!!!!!! Jul 03 03:59:57 Popple3: ping Jul 03 04:00:01 fxspec06: YES!!! Jul 03 04:00:02 they're KILLING all mojo support Jul 03 04:00:08 :'( Jul 03 04:00:15 BACK & FORWARD SWIPE FTW Jul 03 04:00:22 ADVANCED SWIPE FTW Jul 03 04:00:27 twbbas-touchpad: awesome, I love those Jul 03 04:00:29 YES!! Jul 03 04:00:32 no gesture area FTL ='( Jul 03 04:00:43 meta-tap ftw Jul 03 04:00:49 YES Jul 03 04:00:54 twbbas-touchpad: great for the TP, plus if I get frustrated I can cheat and cross my eyes hahah Jul 03 04:00:57 grr.. no palm employees that I know Nick of are on Jul 03 04:01:00 yeah, but see like a qwerty device, you really have one "right" way to use it Jul 03 04:01:02 twbbas-touchpad: YES! Jul 03 04:01:12 a slate/touchpad you can just do whatever you want and hold it however Jul 03 04:01:16 Flashpass: Lol? Jul 03 04:01:22 SineOt: true Jul 03 04:01:23 Has anyone figured out anything about the Launcher? Jul 03 04:01:29 I want MOAR PAGES Jul 03 04:01:30 so from that usability aspect dropping gesture areas on keyboard less devices makes some sense Jul 03 04:01:31 what about it? Jul 03 04:01:43 what use would a gesture area be if you could just as easily hold your phone upside down? Jul 03 04:01:45 twbbas-touchpad: haha, i'll definitely try it Jul 03 04:01:47 IGNTNUNLMTD: talk to palm? tweet them Jul 03 04:01:51 lol Jul 03 04:02:00 IGNT: looks like your S O L right now Jul 03 04:02:08 SineOt: full bezzel gesture area Jul 03 04:02:19 PatrickC: gross Jul 03 04:02:23 lol Jul 03 04:02:33 virtual gesture area? Jul 03 04:02:34 if you were going to do something like that just clone the 1px gutter the Playbook does Jul 03 04:02:35 idk Jul 03 04:02:37 Flashpass: sweet! thanks. It has a few bugs that are fixed. They are all in the paid section of the app that HP hasn't reviewed yet so.... Jul 03 04:02:55 fixed by now on my version, I should say Jul 03 04:03:07 twbbas-touchpad: and if you get a chance, check out my app Groupon Mobile - would love any feedback :) Jul 03 04:03:17 maybe they've picked up on that Apple technology that can tell if you're swiping anything in the room by putting stethescope microphones inside the device Jul 03 04:03:30 Flashpass: oooo I already downloaded that! haven't looked at it yet though Jul 03 04:04:45 twbbas-touchpad: awesome good to hear - what was the name of yours? Jul 03 04:05:09 Flashpass: Differences. our company name is Zone303. Jul 03 04:05:37 Flashpass: Groups is looking good! I like g Jul 03 04:05:50 oops pressed enter ;-) Jul 03 04:06:01 I like the different panels Jul 03 04:06:04 I need a 2.x compatible email list app.. someone make one :) Jul 03 04:06:41 and I guess it corrected Groupon to Groups Jul 03 04:06:48 PatrickC: I can give you this super cool RSS app where you type in the feed URL and it shows you a list, then you tap the list and it brings you to this uber cool page. i made it all myself Jul 03 04:06:50 lol Jul 03 04:07:00 fxspec06: haha Jul 03 04:07:01 nice Jul 03 04:07:02 lol Jul 03 04:07:20 Does it have preferences?! Jul 03 04:07:25 twbbas-touchpad: haha does that for me too, downloading yours now Jul 03 04:07:26 nope not yet Jul 03 04:07:29 lol Jul 03 04:07:30 and multi-panes? Jul 03 04:07:35 that's coming "in the coming months" Jul 03 04:07:39 hahaha Jul 03 04:07:43 Flashpass: sweet! thanks Jul 03 04:07:47 haha Jul 03 04:07:49 fxspec06: does it solve my email list problem? :) Jul 03 04:08:18 PatrickC: Not sure, but it'll keep you occupied for a bit Jul 03 04:08:26 twbbas-touchpad: doesn't show up in my catalog.. Pre2 2.1 Jul 03 04:08:29 fxspec06: lol Jul 03 04:08:36 SineOt: I don't know, I think there's a use case for a gesture area even on one of the short sides on a slate phone Jul 03 04:08:53 Patrick: TouchPad only :'( Jul 03 04:08:59 :/ Jul 03 04:09:00 twbbas-touchpad: and thanks for the comments, if you like it please rate..it always helps especially with competition nipping at your heals ;) Jul 03 04:09:05 free? open source? Jul 03 04:09:06 clearly it becomes less usable if you flip your phone upside down, but even 90 degree rotation lets you do browser scrolling and things Jul 03 04:09:12 ugh autocorrect Jul 03 04:09:27 Flashpass: Yup. Will do! Jul 03 04:09:51 twbbas-touchpad: I run Enyo on my pre2. I can check the scaling for u Jul 03 04:09:51 PatrickC: It's free but not open source Jul 03 04:10:09 PatrickC: oh it won't scale at all Jul 03 04:10:28 why wouldn't it? enyo is suppose to scale :) Jul 03 04:10:47 yeah but the pictures in the game are a specific size Jul 03 04:10:56 where you find the differences between Jul 03 04:11:15 ah Jul 03 04:13:17 man.. I need to get coding again.. I finished 1 enyo app.. but have 2 more I need to work on :/ Jul 03 04:13:31 the 2 more will make some $$$$ though :) Jul 03 04:14:19 ;-) Jul 03 04:14:30 ok well, bedtime Jul 03 04:14:34 night Jul 03 04:14:36 bye Jul 03 04:14:42 I'll be getting to bed here soon Jul 03 04:15:00 3 hours trying to fix a gas blower... turns out.. Jul 03 04:15:04 broken fuel line :/ Jul 03 04:21:22 summatusmentis: ping Jul 03 04:22:41 hhhhhahahahahaaaa Jul 03 04:23:02 i'm so tired Jul 03 04:23:03 w/e hahaha Jul 03 04:23:05 lol Jul 03 04:23:13 i could sleep til like 9 Jul 03 04:23:15 same here. what time zone you in? Jul 03 04:23:21 east coast Jul 03 04:23:27 -5 Jul 03 04:23:30 lol its 1220 there Jul 03 04:23:36 yeah Jul 03 04:23:37 :P its 1120 here ;) Jul 03 04:23:42 central Jul 03 04:23:52 north or south Jul 03 04:24:04 mid.. tennessee.. nashville area Jul 03 04:24:19 oh jeez you're a country boy Jul 03 04:24:24 lol Jul 03 04:24:32 lived in Fl for 14 years Jul 03 04:24:41 say hi to allan jackson for me Jul 03 04:25:00 oh so you just moved there? Jul 03 04:25:27 couple years ago Jul 03 04:26:50 I moved to tn last year Jul 03 04:26:51 yeah Jul 03 04:28:37 tuesday can't get here quick enough lol Jul 03 04:30:32 anyone with a touchpad: ping Jul 03 04:30:44 pong Jul 03 04:30:48 ding Jul 03 04:31:01 Jul 03 04:31:06 I think a bunch of us are waiting for the dev program Jul 03 04:31:19 any good *touchpad only* or *touchpad designed* Bible apps Jul 03 04:31:21 CTLAdvance: I am Jul 03 04:31:35 what's a bible app Jul 03 04:31:37 seriously Jul 03 04:31:41 * oil has a tp, but isn't interested in a bible app Jul 03 04:31:43 like Jul 03 04:31:48 does it have the whole bible Jul 03 04:31:51 lol Jul 03 04:31:52 yeah Jul 03 04:31:55 lol Jul 03 04:32:11 the whole freakin thing Jul 03 04:32:18 that's like, huge Jul 03 04:32:19 heh Jul 03 04:32:34 I thought about buying one today, then I decided that I need to get the discount or loaner for now. Jul 03 04:32:40 does it have like favorite verses and things Jul 03 04:32:48 not really.. in .html files its like 10MB Jul 03 04:32:56 fxspec06: take a look for yourself :) Jul 03 04:33:00 by huge i mean Jul 03 04:33:03 http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/14/128841886535602840.jpg Jul 03 04:33:08 i have bibles in my closet Jul 03 04:33:12 the KJV (King James Version) Jul 03 04:33:19 and it would take me 40 years to read just one Jul 03 04:33:50 fxspec06: the average reader would only take something like 26 hrs to read it all non-stop Jul 03 04:34:10 lol is that a fact Jul 03 04:34:14 of all of the ones to read, KJV is probably the worst :Q Jul 03 04:34:16 from the bottom of your ass Jul 03 04:34:27 SineOt: umm.. no Jul 03 04:34:42 66 chapters fx Jul 03 04:34:46 fxspec06 * Jul 03 04:34:50 i should probably get one of those Jul 03 04:34:54 but i'm too poor =( Jul 03 04:35:03 maybe god will send me a promo code Jul 03 04:35:08 the apps are free :) Jul 03 04:35:09 in a vision Jul 03 04:35:43 * fxspec06 starts praying for a new touchpad Jul 03 04:35:52 why a new one lol Jul 03 04:35:59 they have them for the old one :) Jul 03 04:36:04 and the phones aswell Jul 03 04:36:07 PatrickC: what, is the KJV the only official one? :U Jul 03 04:36:45 SineOt: I believe its the one closest to the original manuscripts.. but I'm not in the mood for a big discussion atm ;) Jul 03 04:37:13 oil: NOOOOOOO!! Jul 03 04:37:19 in the beginning was the pre and the pre was with palm and the pre was palm. all things came to be through pre and without pre nothing came to be Jul 03 04:37:44 akanster: lol Jul 03 04:38:52 that ruined my harry potter book Jul 03 04:38:57 the last book Jul 03 04:39:00 because a bunch of Church of England scholars in 1611 can do better than a modern group of interfaith scholars? ;o Jul 03 04:39:02 Personal Best for dead runner? Jul 03 04:39:02 i read all but the seventh Jul 03 04:39:42 SineOt: I'm not in the mood for a big discussion. I believe that the best one is the KJV, believe what you want :) Jul 03 04:39:49 its up to you what you believe Jul 03 04:40:07 I believe it's more you were raised/told to hold the KJV as the best, so you did :p Jul 03 04:40:11 fxspec06: I don't read HP.. seems... stupid (no offence) Jul 03 04:40:26 that was years ago Jul 03 04:40:34 like from when i was before your age Jul 03 04:40:41 probably a decade ago Jul 03 04:40:43 lol Jul 03 04:40:47 SineOt: that has some to do with it, but I've also done studies on my own. if I'm gonna be a pastor.. I need to know my basis :) Jul 03 04:41:23 if i were gonna do anything like that i would be a priest Jul 03 04:41:33 i wouldn't do anything in between Jul 03 04:41:35 all in or all out Jul 03 04:42:16 a Pastor is the modern day equivalent to a priest.. they do the same thing lol (practically) Jul 03 04:42:19 anyone who went to catholic high school raise your hand Jul 03 04:42:21 * fxspec06 raises hand Jul 03 04:42:34 * PatrickC is an Independent Baptist Jul 03 04:43:08 whoever went to Christian school raise your hand Jul 03 04:43:13 * PatrickC raises hand Jul 03 04:43:15 you baptize people Jul 03 04:43:35 yes.. and? Jul 03 04:44:06 holy name of jesus central catholic regional high school Jul 03 04:44:11 that's the name of my high school Jul 03 04:44:13 all that Jul 03 04:44:15 lol Jul 03 04:44:27 lol Jul 03 04:44:36 lol Jul 03 04:44:49 HNJCCRHS Jul 03 04:45:41 * oil prays to the Flying Spaghetti Monster Jul 03 04:46:14 ^ this Jul 03 04:46:23 oops i forgot to throw in junior senior Jul 03 04:46:27 so it's Jul 03 04:46:41 holy name of jesus central catholic regional junior senior high school Jul 03 04:46:45 i knew there was more. Jul 03 04:47:01 thats just too long Jul 03 04:47:03 lol Jul 03 04:47:09 we call it holy name Jul 03 04:47:11 HNJCCRJSHS Jul 03 04:47:15 lol Jul 03 04:47:20 * SineOt is just like, buddhist or something, man. :I Jul 03 04:47:41 * oil went to "A.C. Davis High School" aka "davis" Jul 03 04:47:41 i would like to try mormanism Jul 03 04:48:04 no, no you wouldn't Jul 03 04:48:07 truuuuust me on this Jul 03 04:48:10 lol Jul 03 04:48:20 go live in the mountains Jul 03 04:48:37 learn how to harvest my thoughts Jul 03 04:48:45 you can do that regardless of everything else Jul 03 04:48:51 lol Jul 03 04:49:14 I have a Massonic Lodge down the street from me.. anyone want to go? :P Jul 03 04:49:44 one thing i would never want to be Jul 03 04:49:50 and no offense to anyone here who is Jul 03 04:49:54 but is a jew Jul 03 04:50:14 lol.... Jul 03 04:50:19 you just blew my mind Jul 03 04:50:31 wow Jul 03 04:50:52 * oil waits for fxspec06 to /nick hitler Jul 03 04:51:02 lol Jul 03 04:51:11 you... wait, you'd rather be a mormon than jewish? Jul 03 04:51:24 hmmm Jul 03 04:51:35 idk that's a toss up Jul 03 04:51:38 yes Jul 03 04:51:41 do you know anything about mormons? they're way out there Jul 03 04:51:47 i know Jul 03 04:51:52 so are jews man Jul 03 04:51:52 i wish i could find that comic Jul 03 04:51:59 i dated this jew once Jul 03 04:52:03 were jesus gets killed by the jews, so his second coming was as hitler Jul 03 04:52:18 it made me lol Jul 03 04:52:22 i swear she carried a gold pouch wherever she went Jul 03 04:52:45 she didn't care about anything other than her jew gold Jul 03 04:53:16 summatusmentis: what's your twitter handle? Jul 03 04:53:21 same as this Jul 03 04:53:35 or @wreference for my app Jul 03 04:53:49 there are nice jews though. Jul 03 04:53:52 i met a crazy one Jul 03 04:54:16 sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Jul 03 04:54:17 http://i.imgur.com/MzipB.jpg Jul 03 04:54:18 that one Jul 03 04:54:19 haha Jul 03 04:54:51 I wonder who @smartwatermellon is Jul 03 04:55:07 oil: LOL Jul 03 04:55:21 L.O.L. Jul 03 04:55:25 @smartwatermelon * Jul 03 04:55:34 * fxspec06 rofl Jul 03 04:55:54 wow Jul 03 04:55:58 i've never seen that Jul 03 04:57:21 I like being able to deal with Google+ notifications from gmail Jul 03 04:57:22 sup homies Jul 03 04:57:55 hey Jake_M Jul 03 04:58:06 summatusmentis: I haven't tried google+, is it good? Jul 03 04:58:13 anyone know how to launch a compose email in enyo? :S Jul 03 04:59:47 PatrickC: I mean, define good. It's a lot like FB, but more intuitive Jul 03 04:59:51 also, not FB Jul 03 05:00:10 what is it? lol Jul 03 05:00:23 http://xkcd.com/918/ this is really accurate Jul 03 05:00:24 Jake_M: window.open("mailto:foo@bar.com"); Jul 03 05:00:29 its not what I thought it was.. a coding language? Jul 03 05:00:34 wel i was going to do the whole like Jul 03 05:00:36 parameters thing Jul 03 05:00:39 that's super eaazzy wow Jul 03 05:00:46 PatrickC: oh, no, social network Jul 03 05:01:03 summatusmentis: oh lol Jul 03 05:01:08 the alt text on that one is great Jul 03 05:01:12 assuming you just want to populate the To:. if you want to fill the body with html or something, you want the big parameterized mumbo jumbo Jul 03 05:01:13 I don't need another one of those :P Jul 03 05:01:19 oil: :) Jul 03 05:01:28 PatrickC: I'm considering it as a replacement to FB Jul 03 05:01:30 the parameterized jumbo doesn't work :S Jul 03 05:01:31 oil: what is it? lol Jul 03 05:01:37 Jake_M: works for me. Jul 03 05:01:40 * oil is not retyping it Jul 03 05:01:41 what the hell is google plus Jul 03 05:01:44 * oil goes to get dinner Jul 03 05:01:52 i saw that XKCD Jul 03 05:01:53 fxspec06: look at link haha Jul 03 05:02:05 i know Jul 03 05:02:07 google plus is like google but with social networking Jul 03 05:02:08 it's a social network Jul 03 05:02:16 it's like facebook Jul 03 05:02:21 but it's not facebook Jul 03 05:02:22 its sort of like, mcdonalds+, mcdonalds but with social networking Jul 03 05:02:23 it's more like social networking, but with google Jul 03 05:02:25 >.> Jul 03 05:02:31 * PatrickC goes to bed Jul 03 05:02:32 so like Jul 03 05:02:36 I'm tired.. night all Jul 03 05:02:37 fxspec06: it works very similarly to FB Jul 03 05:02:41 if kmart had a social network Jul 03 05:02:45 and it was like facebook Jul 03 05:02:50 it would be kmart+ Jul 03 05:02:54 ? Jul 03 05:02:55 its more like, your life indexed by google to sell you ads tailored to you in every google app you use Jul 03 05:03:02 ohhhhh okay Jul 03 05:03:06 that makes sense Jul 03 05:03:20 so they now know your most intimate details Jul 03 05:03:22 but hey Jul 03 05:03:29 who cares about privacy right Jul 03 05:03:36 i gave up on privacy Jul 03 05:03:41 Though all systems hit this wall Jul 03 05:03:41 there's no point in trying Jul 03 05:03:48 there is a point Jul 03 05:03:54 CTLAdvance: right, because, you know, FB doesn't do the same thing Jul 03 05:03:57 but if you dont care the point is less Jul 03 05:04:08 it's effing social networking, that's the whole premise Jul 03 05:04:11 thats what I said they all hit the same wall Jul 03 05:04:12 i just try to make a name for myself Jul 03 05:04:15 everywhere i go Jul 03 05:04:24 i can't prevent it Jul 03 05:04:53 i can masq myself the best i can i guess idk Jul 03 05:05:22 well the thing is Jul 03 05:05:29 but being a geek means you're gonna b everywhere Jul 03 05:05:41 why should you have to mask your self when the software should be built to provide provacy Jul 03 05:05:53 true Jul 03 05:06:05 being a geek also means designing and using smart software, not horing out your details :) Jul 03 05:06:11 or whoring Jul 03 05:06:12 loll Jul 03 05:06:16 or holing? Jul 03 05:06:22 google hole? Jul 03 05:06:26 anyways Jul 03 05:06:40 anyways Jul 03 05:06:45 i think i'm off Jul 03 05:06:50 gnite all Jul 03 05:52:18 Fallout New Vegas for $10. woot! Jul 03 05:53:37 ^ I heard that was buggy as hell Jul 03 05:53:44 even after patching Jul 03 05:54:03 really? Jul 03 05:54:32 this is for the X360 tho Jul 03 06:01:40 ever played Fallout 3? Jul 03 06:03:44 no but I've fallen out of things 3 times Jul 03 06:13:14 anyone with a touchpad want to do me a shady favor? :) Jul 03 06:14:23 depends whether you can state the shady favour publicly Jul 03 06:15:20 looking for the app catalog ipk and/or possible the box.net ipk for the emulator Jul 03 06:15:26 i don't even know if that's shady Jul 03 06:15:30 just curious Jul 03 06:16:23 50GB ... for LIFE! Jul 03 06:16:34 you know that the emulator needs different binaries than the device, right? Jul 03 06:16:39 that's cool Jul 03 06:16:59 i didn't realize either were PDK apps Jul 03 06:17:13 well, you can run Impostah to get apps from the app catalog that are freely available Jul 03 06:17:38 I doubt that either of them have a license that allows for third-party redistribution. Jul 03 06:18:00 interesting Jul 03 06:23:10 "Not permitted to send to org.webosinternals.impostah" Jul 03 06:23:23 rwhitby: Have you explored the code behind the TouchPad's launcher at all yet? Jul 03 06:26:12 nope, it's binary Jul 03 06:31:31 meaning there's no hope for creating, deleting and modifying pages unless HP makes that happen? Jul 03 06:33:22 depends how configurable the binary is Jul 03 06:40:56 rwhitby: any idea what caused the above error with impostah ? Jul 03 06:41:22 not without a proper problem report with all context Jul 03 06:42:12 is there a readme or something for impostah, perhaps maybe i missed something Jul 03 06:43:01 after launching impostah, if i click any of the buttons in the app it says "Service Error (getDeviceProfile): Not permitted to send to org.webosinternals.impostah." Jul 03 06:44:00 i'm trying to use git to let me go to an earlier commit, but i'm quite new to git and while it looks like i've switched to an earlier tag, the files don't seem to change Jul 03 06:45:01 did you install it using Preware ? Jul 03 06:45:09 no, just palm-install Jul 03 06:45:25 where did you get the ipk from? Jul 03 06:45:25 er, grabbed the git source...heh Jul 03 06:45:49 and you've assumed you've built it correctly. Jul 03 06:45:59 yessir Jul 03 06:46:03 on the assuming part Jul 03 06:46:12 those pieces of the context might have been sensible to state first ... Jul 03 06:46:34 there's a Makefile there which you may find enlightening Jul 03 06:46:37 i wasn't aware there was anything special about it Jul 03 06:47:39 yeah, nothing special about Impostah .... Jul 03 06:48:39 you mentioned it so i figured i'd check it out. didn't realize there was so much to it. this was the first i'd heard about it and you didn't say otherwise Jul 03 06:49:33 In general, if you could just palm-package something and expect it to work, you'll probably find it in the app catalog, not in a webos-internals git repo. Jul 03 06:49:45 i will keep that in mind Jul 03 06:50:05 I would advise installing homebrew using Preware Jul 03 06:55:11 rwhitby: thank you Jul 03 07:56:40 huh, the mail app on my pre does not purge imap messages but the one on the pad does Jul 03 07:57:50 maik: if you need help with git, #git is awesome Jul 03 07:58:04 thanks Jul 03 07:59:02 not sure how i feel about that imap purge thing Jul 03 07:59:11 sometimes the display on the pre is slow to update and i delete the wrong message Jul 03 07:59:22 but i'm able to undo that by unmarking it Jul 03 07:59:30 maik: if anything, you can do that yourself... pull from the doctor Jul 03 08:00:00 ah, it's putting them in Trash Jul 03 08:00:41 you know what i'd love, a "view new messages" filter :p Jul 03 09:42:07 is the smallpond dev in here? Jul 03 09:45:08 looks like maybe haeffb? Jul 03 09:45:25 haeffb: i reviewed your app, its nice but it needs work :) Jul 03 09:51:32 howdy folks Jul 03 09:57:00 hey, anyone know how to scroll the cursor on the pad? Jul 03 09:57:09 there's no "orange" button ;) Jul 03 10:00:33 cxreg: not sure Jul 03 10:33:21 haeffb: i have 4 or 5 issues/enhancements if you'd like to hear them Jul 03 10:39:04 biggest thing is that sync is extremely broken Jul 03 10:39:17 it takes 10 minutes to sync up, and about 3 seconds using Noted! on the pre Jul 03 11:29:40 hello Jul 03 11:44:36 i'm having crap luck patching stuff on the pad :( Jul 03 11:44:58 cxreg: best to test patches on the emulator first Jul 03 11:45:14 emulator crashes my laptop, remember Jul 03 11:45:18 sigh Jul 03 11:46:39 rwhitby: have you had patches working on 3.0? Jul 03 11:46:51 i'm messing with the pin entry and it's not working at all, even cosmetic text changes Jul 03 11:47:10 even after a device restart Jul 03 11:47:58 hm, maybe i'm misunderstanding the localization Jul 03 11:51:56 yeah i got nothing. blah. Jul 03 11:56:30 good morning Jul 03 11:56:37 this is my only active channel out of like 8 Jul 03 11:57:49 thats because im crazy Jul 03 11:58:52 listen to these two guys do michael caine impersonations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFIQIpC5_wY Jul 03 12:01:04 cxreg: yes, I'd love to hear them. Jul 03 12:03:27 Or maybe I did hear them by reading the review... :) Jul 03 12:03:48 Heh, my Veer is getting noticed at work. Jul 03 12:04:22 Simply because it is small. Never mind anything else, it is the size that draws the attention. Jul 03 12:06:56 Either my download stats are broken, or nobody has bought Postie yet... :( Jul 03 12:08:02 no downloads? Or no purchases? Jul 03 12:08:10 none of either Jul 03 12:08:21 just a big fat 0 Jul 03 12:08:25 :( Jul 03 12:09:19 oh wait, I see 2 downloads today, but no sales or promos O.o Jul 03 12:10:00 strange... Jul 03 12:12:07 they won't post them as sales until the credit card transactions are cleared...takes a few days Jul 03 12:12:47 ah, ok. My first paid app, so didn't realise. That makes 3 in total... Jul 03 12:12:48 lol Jul 03 12:15:50 * Hendikins has a look to see what that app is anyway, being the curious type. Jul 03 12:16:29 Hendikins: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=ie.danielbrierton.postie Jul 03 12:17:13 I suppose it doesn't help that Pixi and Veer users have been locked out because it was marked as incompatible with them :( Jul 03 12:17:31 Yeah, I only have paid app access on my Veer, and it doesn't show. Jul 03 12:18:24 Hendikins: It's a multi-app package (phones and TouchPad), so it had to be manually pushed through by HP, and whoever did it, only marked it as compatible with Pre and TouchPad :( Jul 03 12:21:24 I don't really have a use for such an app myself. Jul 03 12:26:35 The other thing is that I've pretty much stopped looking at appcat stuff since the feeds were pulled. Too much effort. Jul 03 12:27:16 haeffb: you using any services? i wonder if node would help Jul 03 12:29:49 something is really wrong with sync, in any case Jul 03 12:30:21 for example, i just hit the button and it quickly got to "token retrieved" but it will sit there for a while now Jul 03 12:41:17 Hey, if I'm getting dates from json like this "2011-07-03T01:35:00+01:00", is there an obvious way to convert that to 01:35:00 before displaying it in a list? Or is the easiest way using JQuery.grep or something? Jul 03 12:54:09 cxreg: no, not using services yet Jul 03 12:54:19 it's just WebService and SQLite Jul 03 12:58:35 and I'm finding SQLite performance to vary from poor to atrocious on the TouchPad Jul 03 12:59:03 MikeEcho: will Javascript Date object accept that format? Jul 03 13:00:32 haeffb: that sucks Jul 03 13:00:39 doing what kind of operations? Jul 03 13:01:12 oh, something like SELECT * FROM table Jul 03 13:01:22 you know, complicated crap Jul 03 13:01:26 heh Jul 03 13:01:27 haeffb: It looks like it just might. Jul 03 13:01:34 big tables? Jul 03 13:01:42 how many notes you got? Jul 03 13:01:46 no not big Jul 03 13:01:57 MikeEcho: are you doing mojo or enyo? Jul 03 13:01:57 hm. maybe you're having locking issues. Jul 03 13:02:47 Mojo, this is just the last thing stopping me from releasing my first app :) Jul 03 13:04:04 I'd use the Date object, then Mojo.Format.formatDate(theDate, {time: "short"}); Jul 03 13:04:12 or something close to that Jul 03 13:04:42 Thanks, I'll give that a go. Jul 03 13:04:50 cxreg: can you expand on that thought? Jul 03 13:05:15 haeffb: sqlite's locking is extremely course-grained Jul 03 13:05:27 im only guessing but it may be a factor Jul 03 13:06:21 presumably WebService is doing the actual sqlite bits? Jul 03 13:06:37 i havent looked at the api yet Jul 03 13:07:56 oh, is that DbService? Jul 03 13:08:54 no, the WebService it enyo's version of Ajax.Request Jul 03 13:09:12 for SQLite, I'm still using the same methods as my mojo apps Jul 03 13:09:22 ah Jul 03 13:10:10 for instance: http://pastebin.com/m55Wp3w9 Jul 03 13:10:58 you can resort SQL db's? Jul 03 13:11:09 i apologize for my ignorance i haven't done much research on them Jul 03 13:11:50 fxspec06: you can specify the sort order in a SELECT statement Jul 03 13:12:12 that's handy Jul 03 13:12:36 i'll have to do that for my app Jul 03 13:13:06 heh Jul 03 13:13:15 hooray for order by Jul 03 13:13:55 i didn't know about select * from or any other statements. i wanted to get working so i used WOS101's code Jul 03 13:13:58 haeffb: you dont think its an indexing issue? Jul 03 13:14:03 if the table is small Jul 03 13:14:53 is there any way to sort a way you want i.e. out of order? if you have an array with a list of values Jul 03 13:15:15 to compare to Jul 03 13:15:19 cxreg: frankly, I'm a novice when it comes to SQLite Jul 03 13:15:20 haeffb: i'm not sure you should be running a select in a transaction Jul 03 13:15:22 that could be the issue Jul 03 13:15:58 that's going to add extra locks Jul 03 13:16:01 how else do you run a select? Jul 03 13:16:34 hm, lemme check the api Jul 03 13:17:04 ok maybe i'm wrong, that may just be the only provided semantics Jul 03 13:17:16 and that's exactly how I did it in Noted Jul 03 13:17:31 ah, i didnt realize that was yours too Jul 03 13:18:10 well, not exactly since I rewrote everything for enyo, but the database stuff is very similar Jul 03 13:18:56 "don't stop here, this is tiger country" Jul 03 13:20:38 are you in bellevue? Jul 03 13:22:05 no, missouri Jul 03 13:22:34 MU Tigers, Macon Tigers, all the sports mascots around here are Tigers Jul 03 13:22:52 "and the Tigers are up by 3 over the Tigers" Jul 03 13:23:04 lol Jul 03 13:24:58 i live just a few miles from the "Whois Privacy Protection Service" mailbox Jul 03 13:25:21 i should go take detective photos of the shady guy who shows up to pick up the mail Jul 03 13:46:53 haeffb: i'm reading the w3c spec for this Jul 03 13:47:00 try "readtransaction" Jul 03 13:47:16 that is, this.db.readtransaction Jul 03 13:48:54 sounds like it was implemented in webos 1.4 Jul 03 13:48:58 so you should have it Jul 03 13:49:08 Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'readtransaction' Jul 03 13:49:19 h Jul 03 13:49:26 try capitol t, readTransaction Jul 03 13:49:56 oh, yes, it has one of those Jul 03 13:50:00 sweet Jul 03 13:50:05 that might help you for read queries Jul 03 14:05:19 cxreg: your comment on the tags being cut off... that's just the behavior of the standard ListSelector control Jul 03 14:05:30 sure Jul 03 14:05:35 it's still a usability issue Jul 03 14:06:01 wonder if there's a way to affect that behavior Jul 03 14:06:57 seems to be related to the width of the item its attached to Jul 03 14:08:06 could probably set a min-width CSS property Jul 03 14:08:41 or make a custom control Jul 03 14:09:08 hmm Jul 03 14:09:20 it's just funny, if i select my 'todo' tag, all the others show 2 or 3 characters :) Jul 03 14:09:44 because of the width of the ellipsis Jul 03 14:10:33 first 3.0 patches are up! \m/ (not mine, sadly) Jul 03 14:10:51 min-width works.... mostly Jul 03 14:14:56 oh hey you know what could be handy ... "copy note", maybe for making templates Jul 03 14:15:29 like maybe if you hold-down on a note's title Jul 03 14:15:32 it could pop up a menu Jul 03 14:15:47 yep. Jul 03 14:15:53 have a "templates" tag Jul 03 14:18:12 weird...I don't see that behavior in StyleMatters ListSelectors Jul 03 14:19:12 is that in a flex layout? Jul 03 14:24:36 theirs is Jul 03 14:24:58 but the control is using a Popup, so the layout shouldn't matter. Jul 03 14:25:10 the control source is pretty simple Jul 03 15:13:58 hm, so the only code i can find for the pin unlock screen is in /usr/palm/sysmgr/uiComponents/UnlockPanel/UnlockPanel.qml Jul 03 15:14:21 and it doesnt seem to stop the pin pad from coming up, and you can't bypass it because you have to actually pass the pin to Qt Jul 03 15:14:31 but you could memoize it... i still cant skip the ui tho Jul 03 15:16:51 i did manage to set the hint text to "your mom" though :p Jul 03 15:30:27 touchpad? Jul 03 15:39:09 cxreg: how many notes did you sync ? Jul 03 15:47:04 novack joke-a-vitch just won wimbeldon Jul 03 15:47:10 i can't spell his last name Jul 03 15:48:22 djokovic Jul 03 15:48:34 * fxspec06 hears crickets Jul 03 16:23:05 hi all! Jul 03 16:26:40 JenP!!! Jul 03 16:26:50 haeffb!!! Jul 03 16:26:56 good morning! Jul 03 16:27:27 cxreg: for comparison purposes, a sync with no changes runs in 0.8 seconds in Chrome and 7.91 seconds on device Jul 03 16:27:33 Do you know if anyone had any luck with the developer loaner program? Jul 03 16:27:54 * haeffb glances left, glances right Jul 03 16:27:59 uh... Jul 03 16:28:06 smiles.... Jul 03 16:28:16 ...some people did Jul 03 16:28:31 I sent an email on Friday Jul 03 16:29:33 I think if you can show them a serious app that is in some later stage of development that needs device testing... Jul 03 16:30:10 makes sense Jul 03 16:30:52 cxreg: and I'm pretty sure my laptop CPU isn't 10 times faster than the TP Jul 03 16:32:59 hi Templarian! Jul 03 16:33:24 Hi Jul 03 16:34:07 are you updaing komoto for webos3? Jul 03 16:38:10 Nope. Jul 03 16:38:30 darn Jul 03 16:39:15 I am constructing the theme that will be built into the official release of Komodo 7.0 for windows users though. :P Jul 03 16:39:33 cool! Jul 03 16:43:26 JenP: what are you up to...? Jul 03 16:43:46 I'm moving to chicago soon for a new job. I guess I could have worked for Palm and talked them into letting me develop a full IDE package for Komodo. :P Jul 03 16:44:18 trying to get my workspace set up for eclipse and get my mind back into developing webOS stuff Jul 03 16:44:33 i've been waiting for a Sprint phone, but I'm just about to give up that dream Jul 03 16:44:56 Get the HTC Arrive. I love it :D Jul 03 16:46:53 yeah i've been thinking it will have to be one of the HTC phones Jul 03 16:46:58 haeffb: did you get in the loaner prog. before launch? Jul 03 16:47:00 what do you like best about it? Jul 03 16:48:10 akanster: Not sure if I can say whether I did or not Jul 03 16:48:17 ah Jul 03 17:01:21 does anyone have the touchpad case by chance? Jul 03 17:03:30 this.$.r.applyStyle("display: none;"); <- is that the only way to hide a component? Jul 03 17:06:00 akanster: is it a control? you should be able to use setShowing() Jul 03 17:08:13 ah, thanks! Jul 03 17:26:43 hey guys, I need a little assistance with the Enyo tutorial, I must be missing something obvious Jul 03 17:27:26 in the index.html file, where it tells you to type: new MyApps.FeedReader().renderInto(document.body); Jul 03 17:27:41 chrome gives me an error that MyApps is not defined Jul 03 17:28:10 is MyApps listed in the depends file? Jul 03 17:28:19 but in FeedReader.js, I have name: "MyApps.FeedReader" Jul 03 17:28:51 in depends.js, I have "source/FeedReader.js" Jul 03 17:31:30 I've followed the tutorial exactly, launched chrome with the command line options, but no dice Jul 03 17:31:55 ok, one sec Jul 03 17:32:07 is this raffa btw? Jul 03 17:32:20 raffa?? Jul 03 17:32:57 determine, know someone with that nick, same name/initials Jul 03 17:33:03 sorry* Jul 03 17:33:18 oh, ha I knew it was something obvious Jul 03 17:33:24 I had the filepath to enyo wrong Jul 03 17:33:26 :/ Jul 03 17:34:00 ah yeah, I thought it would give an error about enyo in that case Jul 03 17:34:02 thanks Jul 03 17:34:08 glad you got it Jul 03 17:34:25 yeah, but it didn't give an error about enyo Jul 03 17:34:26 weird Jul 03 17:34:30 oh well Jul 03 17:35:26 I do have one other question Jul 03 17:36:31 in the tutorial, does it make a difference if you use "MyApps.FeedReader" or just "FeedReader"? it works using just "FeedReader", but I'm just wondering why it is what it is in the tutorial Jul 03 17:36:51 anyone here use or plan on using villo services in their app(s) ? Jul 03 17:37:30 does villo allow you to send arbitrary data between clients yet, instead of just chat? Jul 03 17:37:45 rsanchez: you can change feedreader to whatever you want Jul 03 17:37:56 uhm Jul 03 17:38:11 you can send gifts to other users Jul 03 17:38:11 I like the concept of realtime communication between clients, but I want to do games instead of chat Jul 03 17:38:19 yeah i have a game Jul 03 17:38:23 and it's PERFECT for it Jul 03 17:38:31 i gotta start implimenting it this week Jul 03 17:38:38 oh, so you can send game data between clients? Jul 03 17:38:45 i'm not sure how everything works yet Jul 03 17:38:47 like json encoded data Jul 03 17:38:54 i don't know the details Jul 03 17:39:02 i'll know more later Jul 03 17:39:08 cool Jul 03 17:39:12 just got into it last night Jul 03 17:39:20 http://webosworld.com/2011/06/01/villo-services-announcement/ Jul 03 17:39:25 I definitely like the idea of villo, but I'm waiting for more features Jul 03 17:39:40 gifts is great Jul 03 17:39:53 the ability to buy items from the portal is great also Jul 03 17:40:03 i'm gonna do those two, and leaderboards Jul 03 17:40:12 so it gives you in-app purchases for all devices, right? Jul 03 17:40:16 call of duty like Jul 03 17:40:19 yeah Jul 03 17:40:35 each villo user gets 10 credits a day for using a villo app, 10 credits max Jul 03 17:40:39 lol, and HP touts in-app purchases as new in webOS 3.0 Jul 03 17:40:48 lol Jul 03 17:40:57 i'm doing this for MOJO Jul 03 17:40:59 hello, HP, we have villo, and they didn't abandon "legacy" devices like you did Jul 03 17:41:04 lol Jul 03 17:41:20 and in game chat rooms Jul 03 17:41:26 push Jul 03 17:41:36 i wanna do this NOW Jul 03 17:41:37 lol Jul 03 17:42:06 i'm gonna have to say no to enyo for a while Jul 03 17:42:18 I don't just want to use chat though, I want villo to deliver app state through push Jul 03 17:42:48 it does that now too Jul 03 17:42:55 I have a pretty good mojo app right now, but because I don't like what HP did to "legacy" devices, I'll keep it mojo only Jul 03 17:43:18 BUT, there is a good opportunity to make money in Enyo if you're the first to make an app Jul 03 17:43:25 yeah i know Jul 03 17:43:33 but i made a mojo app and it's killer now Jul 03 17:43:36 it just keeps getting better Jul 03 17:43:38 so that's why I'm doing Enyo Jul 03 17:44:11 villo settings are synced when the app is launched Jul 03 17:44:17 app states Jul 03 17:44:31 leave on one pick up on another Jul 03 17:44:41 i'm gonna have to port to enyo eventually. *sigh* Jul 03 17:45:39 yeah, the mojo app I have right now already has a lot of people using it, and I don't think I will pick up a lot of customers with the Touchpad just yet Jul 03 17:46:29 so I'm developing another app, to learn Enyo and to get an idea of how many people would download an Enyo app Jul 03 17:46:56 that's cool Jul 03 17:46:56 which mojo app is yours? Jul 03 17:47:31 well, I don't want to say which one it is ;) Jul 03 17:47:47 superflashlight9000+ Jul 03 17:47:51 j/k ; ) Jul 03 17:47:59 darn, you got me Jul 03 17:48:02 haha Jul 03 17:49:54 I can see why some people would like developing in Enyo, but, and you can call me old-fashioned, I like the more fine-grained control you needed with Mojo Jul 03 17:50:09 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ me too Jul 03 17:50:36 it's more natural for someone coming from a web development backgrund Jul 03 17:51:12 I started with enyo - and it was great for me, makes for a really quick development cycle Jul 03 17:51:32 i never did javascript until mojo so i'm probably bias Jul 03 17:51:45 but i love prototype, and mojo Jul 03 17:51:56 it's brilliant and easy to me Jul 03 17:52:26 different strokes I guess ;) Jul 03 17:53:07 yes, agree with fxspec06 Jul 03 17:53:28 after using prototype, I can't go back to jquery anymore Jul 03 17:53:53 prototype is so nice Jul 03 17:54:04 it's easy to read Jul 03 17:54:10 you can do whatever you want Jul 03 17:54:30 here is an example of how enyo isn't as natural as mojo: the docs say"it's important to remember that enyo.kind isn't magic" Jul 03 17:54:52 implying that since it's not immediately obvious, it has a magical quality to it Jul 03 17:55:40 lol Jul 03 17:55:56 admittedly I haven't had a lot of mojo experience, but coming from an android/ios/winmo background, enyo was quite easy to get up and running Jul 03 17:56:17 and maybe that was the intention Jul 03 17:56:29 in mojo, in my menu, i have a menuStatus variable... then when i change advance or go back i change menuStatus and mojo.swapScene(menu) for everything Jul 03 17:56:35 coolest animation Jul 03 17:56:39 can't do it in enyo Jul 03 17:56:39 good afternoon folks Jul 03 17:56:54 afaik Jul 03 17:56:55 +1 Flashpass. after the 3rd page of the feedreader tutorial, I had more than enough to get started Jul 03 17:56:56 that's because enyo doesn't do scenes anymore Jul 03 17:57:00 it's all panels Jul 03 17:57:20 * akanster is using a view with panes. Jul 03 17:57:29 feels like scenes kinda Jul 03 17:57:51 in the sense that each pane defines a different view, yes Jul 03 17:57:52 i'd rather not set up a hundred components for everything Jul 03 17:57:54 err, a pane with views* Jul 03 17:58:00 but I'm partial to the scene stack Jul 03 17:58:15 scene stack is great Jul 03 17:58:42 I think with the panes, more enyo apps are starting to look alike, more standardized in a way Jul 03 17:58:53 ^^^ that was the goal Jul 03 17:59:00 i'm glad they kept mojo as well Jul 03 17:59:10 each developer's implementation of the scene stack gave each app it's own style and feel Jul 03 17:59:19 but enyo is more standardized Jul 03 17:59:29 heh, they barely kept mojo Jul 03 17:59:38 i know =| Jul 03 17:59:38 mojo emulation is riddled with bugs Jul 03 17:59:53 my css transition is crap in emu Jul 03 17:59:56 and it will probably stay that way until they decide to remove mojo emulation Jul 03 18:00:03 they shouldn't Jul 03 18:00:09 they will Jul 03 18:00:15 their loss Jul 03 18:00:23 or mine. Jul 03 18:00:30 lol Jul 03 18:00:42 ask anyone from developer relations, and, as if they were trained to say so, they will immediately put down mojo and sing the praises of enyo Jul 03 18:01:02 does anyone spot anything wrong with they way the enyo.kind is setup everything works except the AJAX CALLING http://pastie.org/private/gfvx2yaz3g5dlhyciv1a Jul 03 18:01:24 in forum threads, people ask "should I learn mojo or enyo", and some developer relations rep will put down mojo Jul 03 18:01:46 yeah rsanchez pretty much bogus Jul 03 18:02:40 they fired so many palm people it seems and now HP trying to melt what is still gold because they believe they have diamonds Jul 03 18:03:55 yep, I'm very disappointed in them Jul 03 18:04:03 anyone know where the face book app resides on the TP Jul 03 18:04:17 pretty much the only good thing they have done with webOS is the whole Pivot thing Jul 03 18:05:07 lonestar: is it calling the function? Jul 03 18:05:14 at all Jul 03 18:05:17 either one Jul 03 18:09:59 pasted more code --> http://pastie.org/2159330 Jul 03 18:14:50 what's bas_tp Jul 03 18:15:01 you sure that's a real url Jul 03 18:15:18 yeah Jul 03 18:17:14 if you remove the /* on failure does the error dialog ever show Jul 03 18:19:20 i take it you see chicken but no hello Jul 03 18:19:42 fxspec06: everything works until line 61 Jul 03 18:19:53 yeap exactly Jul 03 18:20:16 even when commented out? Jul 03 18:20:18 lol Jul 03 18:21:39 you're setting this.results twice Jul 03 18:24:55 LoneStar99: how are you calling it? Jul 03 18:26:05 windowActivatedHandler i presume Jul 03 18:26:13 is that an enyo specific function? Jul 03 18:26:51 similar to MyAssistant.prototype.activate Jul 03 18:28:04 LoneStar99: your gotResultsSuccess is STILL note a method of your enyo.kind Jul 03 18:28:18 s/note/not Jul 03 18:28:47 LoneStar99: i would do it like this: http://pastie.org/private/hfmwuqyqggcgnkpyg0qha Jul 03 18:30:06 cxreg: ping!!!! Jul 03 18:30:19 isn't it a global function Jul 03 18:30:22 haeffb: yeah this what i think it is, sorry was cussing out my bank Jul 03 18:31:07 fxspec06: yes, but the enyo.kind expects it to be a local function Jul 03 18:31:25 oh that would make sense Jul 03 18:31:41 i learned something new about enyo today Jul 03 18:32:38 encapsulation? Jul 03 18:32:43 so everything inside enyo.kind should be pretty much strictly enyo.kind specific elements Jul 03 18:33:07 and all function references in specific kinds are local only Jul 03 18:33:34 what about a function inside enyo.kind calling a global function Jul 03 18:34:04 haeffb: so I should not call it from DaHandle right? Jul 03 18:34:27 like {kind:"webservice", onsuccess: "woohoo"}, woohoo: function(){globalFunction();} Jul 03 18:34:47 is that possible Jul 03 18:35:44 LoneStar: you could try the method i just proposed Jul 03 18:36:17 in your enyo.kind make two functions: gotAjax and failAjax Jul 03 18:36:24 fxspec06: that works just fine Jul 03 18:36:37 and call your handle from those functions Jul 03 18:36:52 and change the sendcans onsuccess to gotAjax /etc Jul 03 18:37:28 LoneStar99: is DaHandle() in a separate .js file? Jul 03 18:38:01 yes it's in handle.js Jul 03 18:38:26 well, I know that his comments say that...but is it really? Jul 03 18:38:29 haeffb: yeah but have it in depends.js Jul 03 18:38:32 lol Jul 03 18:39:06 seprate but referenced in depends Jul 03 18:39:08 LoneStar99: Answer this question: What is this.$.SendCans in your handle.js ? Jul 03 18:39:44 this.$ references the components hash of an enyo.kind Jul 03 18:39:50 haeffb: from --> {name: "SendCans", kind: "WebService", onSuccess: "gotResultsSuccess", onFailure: "gotResultsFailure"} Jul 03 18:40:00 no, that's what it is inside your kind. Jul 03 18:40:03 yeah Jul 03 18:40:05 there Jul 03 18:40:08 what he said Jul 03 18:40:27 so no you can't do it the way i suggested Jul 03 18:40:41 not exactly, no Jul 03 18:40:42 unless you pass a global variable Jul 03 18:40:50 or pass a variable somehow Jul 03 18:42:13 * fxspec06 has a headache =( Jul 03 18:43:50 fxspec06: you can call globalFunction()'s from within a kind, but Javascript has function scope. Jul 03 18:44:19 so if you just call globalFunction(), then this inside globalFunction does not refer to the enyo.kind Jul 03 18:44:53 you could maybe do gf = enyo.bind(this, globalFunction) Jul 03 18:44:57 gf(); Jul 03 18:45:23 hmm interestinggg Jul 03 18:45:35 enyo.bind Jul 03 18:45:40 bind enyo to whatever you like Jul 03 18:45:45 * fxspec06 binds enyo to his forehead Jul 03 18:45:51 no, it's not binding enyo. Jul 03 18:45:55 damnit! Jul 03 18:45:56 lol Jul 03 18:46:09 it's an enyo implemtation of bind Jul 03 18:46:11 wow... i am hungover Jul 03 18:46:25 like in mojo, myFunction.bind(this) uses Prototype's bind Jul 03 18:46:27 so it binds the specific name Jul 03 18:46:33 is all ? Jul 03 18:46:40 enyo doesn't have Prototype, so they created enyo.bind Jul 03 18:47:15 in mojo: myFunction.bind(this, argument1, argument2); Jul 03 18:47:36 in enyo: enyo.bind(this, myFunction, argument1, argument2); Jul 03 18:47:46 ohhh neat Jul 03 18:47:54 good to know Jul 03 18:48:08 lonestar you catching all this? Jul 03 18:48:23 * fxspec06 splashes water at lonestar Jul 03 18:50:05 yeah i am reading it, will brb gonna draw a trucker cap in illustrator then enyo it is Jul 03 18:57:19 * haeffb going to get coffee Jul 03 19:18:00 haeffb: sorry Jul 03 19:18:16 haeffb: very few notes, like 10, with 1 or 0 changed Jul 03 19:43:28 haeffb: this is interesting Jul 03 19:43:39 i can pretty reliably have it go faster by turning off the screen Jul 03 19:44:57 ill bring the website up, add a new note on the pad, sync, and wait wait wait wait wait, and then i hit the "power" button and boom it shows up on the website Jul 03 19:45:47 i saw some interesting stuff in strace Jul 03 19:50:00 as an aside, strace is unreliable on the device Jul 03 19:50:00 cxreg: on the TP? Jul 03 19:50:03 yes Jul 03 19:50:06 what did you see in strace? Jul 03 19:50:18 those random pauses really drive me crazy Jul 03 19:50:19 i dont know specifically, just the pattern of calls Jul 03 19:50:22 i want to reproduce it Jul 03 19:50:23 right Jul 03 19:50:33 but strace keeps doing this Jul 03 19:50:36 Process 22856 attached - interrupt to quit Jul 03 19:50:37 ????( Jul 03 19:51:11 i did a strace on strace and it said ptrace(PTRACE_PEEKTEXT, 22856, 0xffff051c, [0x1]) = -1 EIO (Input/output error) Jul 03 19:51:19 sigh Jul 03 19:51:24 i think that comes from the kernel Jul 03 19:52:44 funkatron: where are you seeing pauses? Jul 03 19:52:47 just in the general ui? Jul 03 19:52:50 yeah Jul 03 19:52:58 it hasn't been very predictable for me Jul 03 19:53:06 yeah i think there's something funky in Luna Jul 03 19:53:22 it's maddening as a dev, because it's hard to tell if I'm triggering it, but I see it in the mail app too, for ex Jul 03 19:53:27 and elsewherr Jul 03 19:53:29 +e Jul 03 19:53:45 smells like i/o wait Jul 03 19:54:27 yeah; spaz could def use some cleanup there (we do more work than necessary sometimes) but it feels like the thread is being blocked Jul 03 19:54:54 (like I know what I'm talking about) Jul 03 19:55:21 next time i strace successfully i should add a -tt and log it Jul 03 19:55:30 see if anything obvious shows up in that Jul 03 19:55:54 its LunaSysMgr im tracing Jul 03 19:57:21 i dont understand this, ps says pid 22856 is LunaSysMgr but top says its WebAppMgr Jul 03 19:57:36 root 22817 0.9 8.6 274104 81860 ? S root 22856 2.9 21.9 6406324 206792 ? S child process that changed its argv[0], thread, or what Jul 03 19:58:19 whoa, is that a 6 gig vm size? Jul 03 19:59:04 sure looks that way Jul 03 19:59:33 ok back to get some enyo working Jul 03 20:03:39 cxreg: speak English, please... Jul 03 20:04:28 did you see where i was actually addressing you? Jul 03 20:04:31 I have a new .ipk if you'd like to test it Jul 03 20:04:33 "turn screen off, it goes faster" Jul 03 20:04:34 yes Jul 03 20:04:34 sure Jul 03 20:04:45 and i can 100% reproduce that btw Jul 03 20:04:46 every time Jul 03 20:05:06 so, HP is making the TP more responsive by delaying other stuff... ? Jul 03 20:05:24 send me email <---- at google Jul 03 20:05:43 im not sure yet Jul 03 20:25:07 haha, wtf Jul 03 20:25:14 openss from preware got all jacked up Jul 03 20:25:17 openssh Jul 03 20:25:33 /opt/bin/scp: error while loading shared libraries: /opt/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot read file data: Error 21 Jul 03 20:25:43 /opt/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 is a symlink to a _directory_ Jul 03 20:28:12 removed all of optware, trying again Jul 03 20:28:30 ok much better Jul 03 20:37:20 wow, fascinating Jul 03 20:37:35 the whole time the screen was on and it was going so slow, it had a stream of this Jul 03 20:37:38 13:09:25.117832 ioctl(116, 0xc0140910, 0x7ee07504) = 0 Jul 03 20:37:55 when i turn the screen off, 1) those disappear and 2) the sync occurs Jul 03 20:38:06 fd 116 is /dev/kgsl-3d0 Jul 03 20:38:20 which is the qualcomm graphics device Jul 03 20:39:34 i wish strace looked up /proc/fd/... for you so you knew what was what Jul 03 20:42:49 funkatron: you missed that Jul 03 20:43:13 i missed it? Jul 03 20:43:51 http://nopaste.snit.ch/57058 Jul 03 20:44:48 i'd love to know what 0xc0140910 is Jul 03 20:45:27 very interesting Jul 03 20:45:59 it's 100% reliable Jul 03 20:46:30 (im debugging pondnotes btw if you werent sure) Jul 03 20:47:22 meanwhile, I'm rebugging pondnotes Jul 03 20:47:31 i guess this should go to the forums where actual palm/hp devs might read it Jul 03 20:47:38 haeffb: :) Jul 03 20:47:48 that would be interesting Jul 03 20:47:55 i wonder what forum.. Jul 03 20:47:58 that's some 3d driver stuff I'm thinking Jul 03 20:48:17 could be Jul 03 20:48:37 how much do you guys know about ioctl? Jul 03 20:48:40 quick google of it brings up a wiki on meego dev Jul 03 20:48:47 i have 3 kgsl devices, kgsl-2d0 kgsl-2d1 and kgsl-3d0 Jul 03 20:49:09 summatusmentis: enough to know that you have to know what that instruction means on this hardware :) Jul 03 20:49:19 and i dont ... Jul 03 20:49:30 yeah, I would think those are drivers for the video hardware Jul 03 20:49:30 cxreg: are you using a retail device? Jul 03 20:49:34 yep Jul 03 20:49:52 retail 32gb Jul 03 20:49:55 based on what ioctl does (afact) Jul 03 20:49:57 +i Jul 03 20:50:33 i'd still love to know what code that represents Jul 03 20:50:44 no luck in google Jul 03 20:51:07 well, so ioctl passes data between userspace and kernel space Jul 03 20:51:37 the second argument indicates "in" or "out" as well as the size of the following argument Jul 03 20:52:29 oh.. so i'd have to shift some bits to really know then? Jul 03 20:52:32 yes Jul 03 20:52:34 any idea which ones? Jul 03 20:52:35 it's a binary interface Jul 03 20:52:52 that'll be defined in sys/ioctl.h Jul 03 20:52:56 ok Jul 03 20:53:27 the third argument will actually be the data that's being passed Jul 03 20:54:36 bah, no headers on the device Jul 03 20:54:39 maybe in the sdk Jul 03 20:55:00 maybe, otherwise, it's probably safe to assume you could look elsewhere Jul 03 20:55:02 dont see it there either Jul 03 20:55:10 elsewhere ... ? Jul 03 20:55:16 for the same architecture? Jul 03 20:55:39 oh, architecture issues... those shouldn't affect ioctl I wouldn't think, but I'm not 100% sure Jul 03 20:55:53 could wait until they release the source Jul 03 20:56:05 hm Jul 03 20:56:15 i may post this to the forum anyway Jul 03 20:56:44 yeah, palm employees will likely be able to tell you more than reversing it would :) Jul 03 21:04:34 posted Jul 03 21:04:39 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=15909 Jul 03 21:06:04 haeffb: im happy to try a new version Jul 03 21:09:21 <---- at gmail Jul 03 21:11:20 * haeffb trying to use xchat to send an ipk Jul 03 21:11:24 never done this before... Jul 03 21:17:25 do you have dropbox? Jul 03 21:18:06 * fx_isNapping stumbles into the room Jul 03 21:19:36 http://jdsawyer.net/2011/07/02/put-it-in-the-cloud-are-you-nuts/ Jul 03 21:19:40 yay dropbox Jul 03 21:20:28 summatusmentis: btw Jul 03 21:20:44 summatusmentis: that's completely wrong: they legally *need* those permissions to (for example) resize an image Jul 03 21:20:48 otherwise you could sue them Jul 03 21:20:54 for making a derivative work Jul 03 21:21:00 I think following up on Dropbox's blog post, with more explanations, is useful and informative Jul 03 21:22:11 chpwn: the language is awfully broad, if nothing else Jul 03 21:22:16 http://blog.agilebits.com/2011/07/dropbox-terms/ << summatusmentis: that's a good explanation Jul 03 21:22:27 damn summatusmentis Jul 03 21:22:30 nice catch Jul 03 21:22:35 summatusmentis: it's seriously about the minimum necessary; most services just have even "worse" terms Jul 03 21:22:38 fxspec06: Read this: http://blog.agilebits.com/2011/07/dropbox-terms/ Jul 03 21:23:00 yes, it is broad. and in the litigious environment of the USA, it's probably necessary protection. And yes, it could be abused too. It sucks. Jul 03 21:23:02 summatusmentis: fxspec06: (and most services don't format their ToS in an easy-to-read format, and I'm sure Dropbox won't because it's just led to people reading it) Jul 03 21:23:42 but just as anyone would suspect another overreacting sensationalist blog Jul 03 21:23:48 post Jul 03 21:24:00 By submitting your stuff to the Services, you grant us (and those we work with to provide the Services) worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable rights to use, copy, distribute, prepare derivative works (such as translations or format conversions) of, perform, or publicly display that stuff to the extent reasonably necessary for the Service. Jul 03 21:24:07 worldwide <- we can do this on our servers Jul 03 21:24:15 non-exclusive <- you can license it to other people Jul 03 21:24:21 royalty-free <- we don't need to pay you Jul 03 21:24:23 funkatron: that's the issue I have, primarly. In using broad terminology, the risk is run that it gets to be abused Jul 03 21:24:28 sub licensable <- we can do this on Amazon's servers too Jul 03 21:24:29 yes Jul 03 21:24:35 rights to use <- host it Jul 03 21:24:41 copy <- move around on our servers Jul 03 21:24:44 distribute <- share public files Jul 03 21:24:47 and in using broad terminology, they are probably protecting themselves from lawsuits Jul 03 21:24:55 prepare derivative works <- resize images Jul 03 21:24:56 yes, I get that Jul 03 21:24:56 etc Jul 03 21:25:03 the only solution I know: run your own datacenter. Jul 03 21:25:22 I agree that it sucks: but it's not just Dropbox, and if stuff like that is really an issue to you, do NOT use any web service EVER. Jul 03 21:25:37 chpwn: clearly Jul 03 21:25:49 but yeah. it sucks. Jul 03 21:26:13 I find cloud services scary, in a lot of ways Jul 03 21:26:26 that's understandable Jul 03 21:26:52 me too.. but there needs to me more litigation on this subject Jul 03 21:26:57 I'm clearly not a lawyer, but it seems their language could be much more specified, with directly what they're going to be using those rights for Jul 03 21:27:02 there is, of course, a certain irony in this discussion happening in the webos channel Jul 03 21:27:06 we need smart people in senate and house Jul 03 21:27:08 probably the most cloud-connected OS out there Jul 03 21:27:15 funkatron: indeed :) Jul 03 21:27:15 congress Jul 03 21:27:17 **** Jul 03 21:27:17 ;) Jul 03 21:27:38 RIAA lobbyists are smart, they seem to get what they want at least. Jul 03 21:27:55 depends on how you define smart Jul 03 21:27:56 riaa has support of everyone but the artists. Jul 03 21:28:43 summatusmentis: yeah, s/smart/successful/ i guess Jul 03 21:28:45 more laws protecting artists and individuals Jul 03 21:29:01 chpwn: that's certainly true, they're very adept at their jobs Jul 03 21:29:53 chpwn: I don't use dropbox, but as an example, why do they need to resize your images? Jul 03 21:36:19 summatusmentis: uploading a photo from your phone (And video) they have size options Jul 03 21:36:20 iirc Jul 03 21:36:45 cxreg: http://smallpondapps.com/pondnotes/ Jul 03 21:36:56 link to .ipk at the bottom of the page Jul 03 21:37:54 ah, interesting Jul 03 21:52:16 * PatrickC got another knife today :) Jul 03 21:54:10 hey mattsmcnulty Jul 03 21:54:36 hi Jul 03 21:55:23 patrick why you keep buying knifes Jul 03 21:55:28 knives Jul 03 21:55:44 don't you live in a rock under the sea Jul 03 21:55:53 fxspec06: it was a $30 smith and wesson camo beast knife for $10 :P Jul 03 21:56:13 fxspec06: I live in TN, you are measured by how many weapons you have haha Jul 03 21:56:38 I thought only guns counted Jul 03 21:56:58 knives are weapons too Jul 03 21:57:21 yeah, but haven't you see raiders of the lost ark? Jul 03 21:57:36 not recently.. lol Jul 03 21:57:37 i couldn't get past the snakes Jul 03 21:57:50 i used to play that on atari Jul 03 21:57:52 I think the gun/knife scene is before that? it's been a while Jul 03 21:57:54 hardest. game. ever. Jul 03 21:58:09 oh maybe Jul 03 21:58:36 any plans for the 4th ? Jul 03 21:58:56 fireworks and transformers 3 Jul 03 21:59:00 just the usual flag burning, etc Jul 03 21:59:09 i'm not doing anything. Jul 03 21:59:11 oh wait, I mean fireworks Jul 03 21:59:26 * PatrickC kicks mattsmcnulty Jul 03 21:59:28 lol Jul 03 21:59:33 when i click on a enyo item and listen for onclick i get 2 events, and if I listen to onmouseup i get 3 events Jul 03 21:59:34 * fxspec06 gets to spend all weekend and the 4th doing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary Jul 03 21:59:37 I will probably go harass a best buy employee or two Jul 03 21:59:38 anyone know how to get just 1? Jul 03 21:59:43 * PatrickC whispers "The government is watching this chat" Jul 03 21:59:59 ZMG NO WAY Jul 03 22:00:18 lol Jul 03 22:00:21 * fxspec06 puts his bomb in the closet Jul 03 22:00:31 mattsmcnulty: people around here were playing with the tp when i went into bb .. no huge lines, but seemed like there was interest Jul 03 22:00:33 * PatrickC puts his .50 cal away Jul 03 22:00:41 mattsmcnulty: my best buy had a demo TP, and a few in stock, but no accessories! Jul 03 22:00:48 :/ Jul 03 22:00:58 my sams club has a demo, but none to sell Jul 03 22:01:09 * crazy_arab did somebody say 'bomb'? Jul 03 22:01:10 haeffb: none in stock, or none on the floor? Jul 03 22:01:10 so the demo is in lockup.. mattsmcnulty, fix that! :D Jul 03 22:01:17 dkirker: none anywhere Jul 03 22:01:18 yes Jul 03 22:01:26 bpadalino: that's good to hear Jul 03 22:01:29 I have one right here crazy_arab Jul 03 22:01:30 PatrickC: hardware reset Jul 03 22:01:35 they had space for them under the display, but didn't have any Jul 03 22:01:39 dkirker: huh? Jul 03 22:01:49 PatrickC: wait... "locakup"? define lockup... Jul 03 22:02:07 dkirker: don't ask details - I expect a "touchpad selling out across country" story asap Jul 03 22:02:15 a cage that they keep the valuable items in, e.g. laptops, tablets, ipods, etc. Jul 03 22:02:20 mattsmcnulty: I do too. Jul 03 22:02:28 mattsmcnulty: I hope so Jul 03 22:02:32 PatrickC: well that is dumb... Jul 03 22:02:41 the wal-mart had only the power charger, no other accessories Jul 03 22:02:46 me too. I need to eat. ok, well not really. but flying lessons are not cheap Jul 03 22:02:52 lol mattsmcnulty: i predicted that a LONG time ago Jul 03 22:03:00 you can eat when you die... errr Jul 03 22:03:01 they said that they won't put it on the floor till they get stock in dkirker Jul 03 22:03:02 =p Jul 03 22:03:14 lol Jul 03 22:03:28 PatrickC: I suppose at least they have an "explanation"... But no stock?... grrr Jul 03 22:03:50 dkirker: they say that stock *should* be in by the 7th :/ Jul 03 22:04:00 hmmm Jul 03 22:04:00 I won't be buyin one though.. dev discount :) Jul 03 22:04:11 * haeffb was going to buy a keyboard, touchstand and case. Jul 03 22:04:14 PatrickC: no, but other people better be buying them! Jul 03 22:04:15 dkirker: but he made no promises :/ Jul 03 22:04:19 but HP didn't want my $$ Jul 03 22:04:24 dkirker: yeah, I know!! Jul 03 22:04:37 haeffb: that's like $150 in accessories? Jul 03 22:04:47 inorite? Jul 03 22:04:49 we don't even have many cases and touchstones internally Jul 03 22:05:08 touchstones are the most rare, IIRC Jul 03 22:05:09 mattsmcnulty: really? surprising.. Jul 03 22:05:23 patrickc: accessories are always harder to come by Jul 03 22:05:27 dkirker: amazon had them iirc Jul 03 22:05:28 PatrickC: they all go to customers. Jul 03 22:05:35 ah Jul 03 22:05:41 I'd really like to have a case - I always feel like the black plastic is going to slip from my hands crossing the parking lot Jul 03 22:05:51 seems strange to not have a lot of touchstones - they're not that difficult to manufacture, are they ? Jul 03 22:05:52 what's iirc Jul 03 22:05:57 haeffb: iPad 1 case Jul 03 22:05:57 I need to go harass my local Fry's this afternoon Jul 03 22:06:05 fxspec06: if I remember correctly Jul 03 22:06:06 If I Recall Correctly, xcomp Jul 03 22:06:11 or remember Jul 03 22:06:18 oh got, not xcomp Jul 03 22:06:21 sweet Jul 03 22:06:25 fxspec06* Jul 03 22:06:26 now i'm up to speed on acronyms Jul 03 22:06:40 bpadalino: they should all be in retail chains. Jul 03 22:06:48 btouchpadalino: there is fairy dust in each touchstone Jul 03 22:06:57 that too Jul 03 22:07:26 mattsmcnulty: dkirker , amazon had touchstones iirc Jul 03 22:07:38 I need an excuse to go to best buy besides harassing employees Jul 03 22:07:41 PatrickC: right. As they should. Jul 03 22:07:49 any good games out? I am bored with portal 2 Jul 03 22:08:00 mattsmcnulty: harass the manager Jul 03 22:08:04 Pokemon? I don't know... Jul 03 22:08:11 Angry Birds... Jul 03 22:08:13 mattsmcnulty: preorder black ops 2 Jul 03 22:08:21 there's this new game out called "Making Enyo Even Better" Jul 03 22:08:25 hide!! its twbbas-touchpad! Jul 03 22:08:26 mattsmcnulty: so on the old touchstone, you killed geckos for their feet .. and this time you've got a genocide against fairies? Jul 03 22:08:30 Lol, hi Jul 03 22:08:43 haeffb: f--k you (might be the mets just beating the yanks talking) Jul 03 22:08:46 * PatrickC laughs Jul 03 22:08:47 freeze dried fairies :( Jul 03 22:08:50 :-) Jul 03 22:08:51 ok, I have crap I need to do today. This is the first time in 3 months that I actually have time. Jul 03 22:08:54 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/282217-windows-95-palm-pre-7.html#post3016130 <<<<<<<<<<< windows 95 palm pre Jul 03 22:09:01 dkirker: I've sooooo got that beat Jul 03 22:09:03 now released && ready for download Jul 03 22:09:25 * PatrickC <3 's his new knife :) Jul 03 22:09:27 mattsmcnulty: Ok, then take a few hours off if you must... Jul 03 22:09:32 mattsmcnulty: Angry Birds? I heard it too many times around he office. I am almost tired of it... Jul 03 22:09:32 finally a real, *sharp* one Jul 03 22:09:50 dkirker: haha, with the new easter egg :P Jul 03 22:09:58 PatrickC: you can sharpen knives yourself, you know Jul 03 22:10:06 oh, when that easter egg went in, for a while a LOT more common than just upside down, every 2.5 minutes in the office you'd hear it, then people laughing Jul 03 22:10:08 PatrickC: that too... That was a fun little surprise to stumble upon... Jul 03 22:10:13 fxspec06: only if you have the right tools Jul 03 22:10:19 I swear that single-handedly increased morale for like 3 weeks Jul 03 22:10:27 mattsmcnulty: I remember when it worked in ALL directions... OH GOD... Jul 03 22:10:43 dkirker: hahahahaha Jul 03 22:11:04 i don't know i ahven't played that much Jul 03 22:11:10 eventually people were getting really sick of it, and making sure we were only doing it for the one direction Jul 03 22:11:21 upside down, of course Jul 03 22:11:43 oh god, all directions? that sounds awful Jul 03 22:11:52 it was amusing Jul 03 22:11:53 it was funny. originally was just a joke Jul 03 22:12:36 * fxspec06 is about to install windows 95 on his pre 2 Jul 03 22:12:43 alright, shit to do. I'll be back online later guys. Jul 03 22:13:53 laterrr Jul 03 22:14:19 later Jul 03 22:14:47 mattsmcnulty: Enjoy the rest of your weekend. :) Jul 03 22:14:59 dkirker: will do. shouldn't you be working? ;-) Jul 03 22:15:10 heh Jul 03 22:15:22 mattsmcnulty: Haha. NO! Not this weekend I'm not. Jul 03 22:15:25 Actually, yes. Jul 03 22:15:33 I should be finding alcohol. Jul 03 22:15:47 dkirker: if it isn't within 10 paces, you're doing something wrong Jul 03 22:16:04 there's some. I need to stock back up, though. Jul 03 22:16:09 bevmo Jul 03 22:16:14 Exactly! Jul 03 22:16:22 There's one 4 blocks away. <3 Jul 03 22:16:32 There's a reason that I live where I live. Jul 03 22:16:43 I have to drive like a mile and a half. sf hates chains Jul 03 22:16:52 haha Jul 03 22:18:07 http://m.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/top-5-free-apps-for-the-hp-touchpad-easter-eggs-bonus/3146 Jul 03 22:18:12 taking a screenshot is an easteregg? Jul 03 22:18:44 "The audio system on the TouchPad is impressive with the Beats Audio technology HP has stuffed in the slate" Jul 03 22:18:53 heh Jul 03 22:19:15 granted, better speakers than ipad. I have no clue why ipad 2's speaker faces away from you at all times Jul 03 22:19:55 yeah, screenshot is not exactly an easter egg. Jul 03 22:19:55 its like walking down the street with a boom-box on your shoulder? Jul 03 22:20:13 oil: I sense a commercial coming up Jul 03 22:20:18 heh Jul 03 22:20:20 someone needs to make a boombox-looking app Jul 03 22:20:29 someone call russell brand! Jul 03 22:20:53 when using the touchpad sitting, the speakers are pointing at my stomache Jul 03 22:21:08 gut punching bass Jul 03 22:21:11 heh Jul 03 22:21:13 that's at least 90 degrees towards you Jul 03 22:21:21 the vibrations aimed at your junk Jul 03 22:22:23 my biggest fear is dropping it Jul 03 22:22:31 the case is quite paddy Jul 03 22:22:36 the hp case? Jul 03 22:22:40 yeah Jul 03 22:22:43 protects it from like a waist high drop? Jul 03 22:22:57 it seems pretty thick and paddy to me Jul 03 22:23:23 ill have to see if our bestbuy has one i can look at Jul 03 22:36:23 All the best buys in my area are sold out of accessories Jul 03 22:36:42 And my walmart doesn't even have the TouchPad Jul 03 22:36:50 i haven't looked Jul 03 22:40:01 bl Jul 03 22:41:03 how do I dump all the items in my virtual repeater? Jul 03 22:41:51 Nice! http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+TouchPad+Tablet+with+32GB+Memory+-+Black/2842092.p?id=1218358272750&skuId=2842092&st=touchpad&cp=1&lp=2 Jul 03 22:41:56 reviews looking good! Jul 03 22:43:05 I went to 2 bestbuys today, at one the Touchpad was working perfect; at the other, one was crashed and the other was very laggy (and not on the network) Jul 03 22:45:17 i'll leave a review even though i don't have one =) Jul 03 22:46:16 my rewards account isn't the same .. ? Jul 03 22:46:20 -.- Jul 03 22:47:18 fxspec06: have you tried one? that's all that matters :) Jul 03 22:47:37 does the emulator count? =p Jul 03 22:47:58 fxspec06: hmmm :) Jul 03 22:49:13 I wish the emulator supported sound Jul 03 22:49:30 IT DOES FOR ME!!! Jul 03 22:49:37 =D Jul 03 22:49:49 fxspec06: what? it supports sound for you? Jul 03 22:49:53 yep Jul 03 22:49:56 works just fine Jul 03 22:50:02 why is that not normal? Jul 03 22:50:25 fxspec06: hmm... were you running the more-examples/Media example? Jul 03 22:50:40 lol no Jul 03 22:50:43 sup guys Jul 03 22:50:53 quick question if there isn't another issue being discussed Jul 03 22:50:58 i was running the emulator Jul 03 22:51:01 on win764bit Jul 03 22:51:06 bnceo: hi Jul 03 22:51:12 sup pakl Jul 03 22:51:15 transferred my poker IPK through WOSQI Jul 03 22:51:21 sounds working just fine Jul 03 22:51:35 get the menu transition sound Jul 03 22:51:46 the notification previews don't work Jul 03 22:51:55 Just wondering why my 2.1 Pre Minus can't do the SMS over Touchpad, but can accept phone calls Jul 03 22:52:33 do you need specific OS version Jul 03 22:52:36 for that Jul 03 22:52:53 shrug Jul 03 22:58:49 fxspec06: the emulator makes sound (user interface sounds) but it seems that using audio objects is not supported in the emulator... :/ Jul 03 23:04:42 * fxspec06 is booting win95 on his palm pre right now Jul 03 23:05:13 o_O Jul 03 23:09:45 * fxspec06 can see win 95 desktop =D Jul 03 23:13:21 hi all! giving enyo development a shot on my touchpad and am trying to figure out how I can most effectively communicate between views in sliding panes. I know that within a view you can access any control or function by it's name with this.$.controlName or this.$.functionName - you can also do that to any views that your view owns so like this.$.childView.$.someFunction - but how can you "go up a level" to, say, call a function in the vi Jul 03 23:13:21 ew that owns the view you are working in - something like this.$.parent.$.sibling.$.someFunction Jul 03 23:13:28 sorry if that was gibberish :) Jul 03 23:15:36 this doc has you do it by raising events but it is so clunky and round-about I want to avoid it https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial5.html i'd just like to call what I need directly rather than pepper the code with event handlers Jul 03 23:17:12 ARG. Jul 03 23:17:19 SnapScroller's are buggy. Jul 03 23:19:15 is the arm7 testing feed the right one for the tp? Jul 03 23:22:03 woot, fullscreen wirc Jul 03 23:24:01 oh man this tweaks thing is nice Jul 03 23:28:32 yeah. I wish that's how patches worked. Jul 03 23:32:38 zylogz80: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=73252#p73252 Jul 03 23:32:54 * zylogz80 reads Jul 03 23:33:19 "You are not authorised to read this forum." :( Jul 03 23:36:57 zylogz80: http://pastebin.com/7uHKKM3u Jul 03 23:37:51 Tibfib_, thanks Jul 03 23:38:32 danke Tibfib_ Jul 03 23:39:15 zylogz80: you *can* do this.$.parent.$.sibling.$.someFunction, but you *shouldnt* Jul 03 23:39:41 that works? Jul 03 23:39:48 anyone working on a terminal yet? Jul 03 23:39:50 haeffb, why shouldn't you? I think it's much easier to read that rasing events and having the parent handle the event. that seems so round about Jul 03 23:40:03 breaks encapsulation Jul 03 23:40:23 your kinds should not know/need to know what kind owns/contains them Jul 03 23:41:06 actually this.$.parent.$.sibling.$.someFunction probably won't work, but you can call methods of parent kinds in some fashion like that Jul 03 23:41:17 but you shouldn't Jul 03 23:41:46 haeffb: I don't think you can use siblings. Jul 03 23:41:58 oh, I see what you did there. Jul 03 23:42:17 the events system is actually pretty nice once you get used to it Jul 03 23:42:18 this.owner.$.siblingName.function() Jul 03 23:42:35 the events system does work well for most things Jul 03 23:42:40 yeah, that would *really* breka encapsulation Jul 03 23:42:47 or break it Jul 03 23:42:54 haeffb, I can see why you "shouldn't" if code reuse is a development requirement of your app but I'd take the trade off of breaking encapsilation for more readable code if I'm just writing some little on-off app to learn Jul 03 23:43:01 in Spaz HD we broke down and have a namespace for global references to functions owned by kinds Jul 03 23:43:08 like viewEntry(obj) Jul 03 23:43:12 search(string) Jul 03 23:43:13 etc. Jul 03 23:43:45 since we use them all over the place Jul 03 23:43:56 I have events working on my app now but it just seems so silly. to raise an event in the child so the parent can handle it to trigger an event in the sibling and so on. why not just call what you want directly? :) Jul 03 23:44:00 and linking events several levels done would be a pain. Jul 03 23:44:35 zylogz80: nobody's going to stop you. We'll just recommend against it Jul 03 23:44:47 haeffb, some APIs would stop me :P Jul 03 23:44:54 haeffb, cool, thanks *very* much Jul 03 23:45:07 Tibfib, and akanster too - thanks :) Jul 03 23:45:08 so someone needs to port the syngergy plugins to enyo apparently Jul 03 23:45:17 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-homebrew-apps/278796-synergy-messaging-plugins-webos-2-x-24.html Jul 03 23:45:52 zylogz80: that's the only thing I dislike about events Jul 03 23:46:03 it does seem weird to pass an event to call a sibling function Jul 03 23:46:08 Tibfib, reminds me of goto Jul 03 23:46:11 perhaps there was a better way to do it in enyo Jul 03 23:46:21 but I can't think of any, and the devs probably couldn't either. Jul 03 23:46:23 :) Jul 03 23:47:27 if sugardave was here, he could tell you how not to do things... :) Jul 03 23:47:32 I have to say though - I've written for android and iOS and I've never built something as rapidly and as easily as I am with enyo. it's insanely easy. Jul 03 23:47:43 ssshhh... don't tell anybody Jul 03 23:47:46 mindblowingly awesome really Jul 03 23:48:27 cxreg: did you find the .ipk? Jul 03 23:48:47 zylogz80: yeah it is pretty awesome Jul 03 23:48:58 you can build applications a lot faster with enyo. Jul 03 23:49:05 zylogz80: +1 easy and quick Jul 03 23:49:07 it takes out all the crap. Jul 03 23:49:21 * fxspec06 lalalalalala Jul 03 23:49:31 I only push to the emulator only when I *really* need to see how it looks Jul 03 23:50:07 yeah me too Jul 03 23:50:13 * Tibfib LOVES using chrome for development Jul 03 23:50:17 SOOOO much easier to debug Jul 03 23:50:22 best part of enyo. Jul 03 23:52:46 * fxspec06 agrees but still loves his mojo Jul 03 23:53:27 * Tibfib used to love mojo Jul 03 23:53:51 but I have abandoned it and found a new love. Jul 03 23:54:34 except for index.html, there's no HTML to deal with Jul 03 23:54:38 * akanster likes Jul 04 00:16:38 omg real internet!!! Jul 04 00:16:52 as opposed to fake internet? Jul 04 00:17:02 * jaf0 curses sprint loudly. Jul 04 00:17:17 90kbps vs 1mbps. Jul 04 00:19:42 God, HP Play is horrible... Jul 04 00:20:14 lol Jul 04 00:20:22 I've been staring at "Mounting Device..." for the last few mins Jul 04 00:20:38 I just want to see if it'll sync playlists properly to my Pre 2 Jul 04 00:20:46 doubleTwist failed miserably at that Jul 04 00:23:09 j river media center worked fine on 1.4.5 Jul 04 00:23:16 but HP crippled that with 2.0 Jul 04 00:23:45 it works if i use that and then open notepad++ and search in files for / and change to \ Jul 04 00:29:59 well, HP Play is failing miserably at the moment. It's not even syncing my music, never mind my playlists Jul 04 00:31:43 Apparently it couldn't sync my music because the actual files were unexpected...? Jul 04 00:31:45 What the derp? Jul 04 00:32:16 back for more enyo ajax part 9 Jul 04 00:32:59 is is possible to create a copy of a view? I want to make copies of my view kind as I need them. Jul 04 00:33:51 hmmmmm Jul 04 00:33:56 if not that would be fail Jul 04 00:34:12 anyone have any issues where the audio on their touchpad stopped working, even after a reboot? Jul 04 00:39:16 fxspec06: it seems like that shoud be possible but I havent seen anything Jul 04 00:41:33 time to scrap all code except for ajax code... Jul 04 00:42:53 amusing .. looks like michael lohan uses a pre .. saw some celebrity rehab clip Jul 04 00:43:01 * fxspec06 turns on silence of the lambs Jul 04 00:43:11 hello clarice Jul 04 00:43:12 * fxspec06 in 1080! Jul 04 00:43:57 michael lohan Jul 04 00:44:01 celebrity rehab Jul 04 00:47:48 any ideas on the audio - i'm like totally out of ideas Jul 04 00:48:49 hmm Jul 04 00:49:30 who is michael lohan? Jul 04 00:49:38 i would say battery pull Jul 04 00:49:48 how would i do that haha Jul 04 00:50:03 first you get a chisel.. Jul 04 00:50:14 lol Jul 04 00:50:22 this sucks, I have no idea what it could be Jul 04 00:50:34 oh jeez silence is a creepy movie. i don't think i've seen it Jul 04 00:50:42 * fxspec06 "it rubs the lotion on its skin" Jul 04 00:50:42 i was messing with the ssh/sftp stuff from the wiki and got that working - just noticed the sounds isn't playing at all Jul 04 00:50:53 all of them not even .MP3's? Jul 04 00:51:11 or notifications Jul 04 00:51:22 or card closes Jul 04 00:52:17 no sounds whatsoever, not on games or "swooshes", etc Jul 04 00:52:34 i've turned the settings off and on multiple times, also rebooted Jul 04 00:53:18 hard reboot? Jul 04 00:53:25 how? Jul 04 00:53:28 just a shutdown? Jul 04 00:53:31 hold the power and hit the card button 10 - 15 times Jul 04 00:53:41 hm ok Jul 04 00:53:46 i read it's the equivilent of hard reset Jul 04 00:54:14 ok trying.. Jul 04 00:54:43 wierd it like tries to take a bunch of screenshots haha - almost seems like a bug instead of an actual thing Jul 04 00:54:50 lol Jul 04 00:54:57 yeah i'm not sure where i read that Jul 04 00:55:02 or how official it is Jul 04 00:55:04 forums i think i might ahve seen it Jul 04 00:55:17 yeah Jul 04 00:56:33 didn't work Jul 04 00:56:36 sigh Jul 04 00:56:43 am i actually going to have to doctor haha Jul 04 00:56:55 lol Jul 04 00:58:42 Flashpass: and you're sure it's not muted? Jul 04 00:58:56 very Jul 04 00:58:58 haha Jul 04 00:59:04 i've turned it on and off many times Jul 04 00:59:30 ugh...sucks Jul 04 00:59:31 lol, had to ask :) Jul 04 01:00:00 but with my current palm profile, it will save all my accounts and downloaded apps right...i can't think of anything i'd lose Jul 04 01:00:04 by doctoring that is Jul 04 01:05:06 So what cool Enyo apps are people making? Jul 04 01:05:35 Tibfib_: When can I expect to see Enyo Koto? :P Jul 04 01:05:55 Tibfib_: When can I expect to see Koto 0.8? Jul 04 01:07:28 instant share painting app Jul 04 01:12:47 does the TP let you paint on the edges of the screen Jul 04 01:13:50 gotta say, the TouchPad looks lovely with some of the wallpapers from the HP Windows 7 Theme Jul 04 01:14:14 oh yeah, where did you grab the wallpapers from? Jul 04 01:14:28 fxspec06: not sure have not tested in TP emulator yet Jul 04 01:14:33 oh man this guy is insane.. Jul 04 01:14:42 O.O Jul 04 01:15:08 google Windows 7 HP Theme Jul 04 01:15:12 it's somewhere in the HP forums Jul 04 01:15:18 cool Jul 04 01:15:40 Once you activate the theme, it will put the wallpapers in your user app data local microsoft theme folder Jul 04 01:18:42 it's oil_pre :o Jul 04 01:19:12 yep Jul 04 01:19:57 phew, I think the audio issue was software related - doctor fixed it Jul 04 01:20:23 doctor on a TouchPad already? or phone? Jul 04 01:20:47 touchpad, i was messing around with it a lot and the audio completely cut out Jul 04 01:20:55 i was worried it was hardware Jul 04 01:21:03 oh phew. glad it's ok Jul 04 01:21:21 btw, asking for wifi signal at the first use app is so awesome Jul 04 01:21:27 I know they had to do it for the TouchPad Jul 04 01:21:31 but they need to do this for phones Jul 04 01:21:40 do they not? Jul 04 01:21:48 i thought you needed it to sign into your profile? Jul 04 01:22:10 on phones, you use carrier data to sign into palm profile Jul 04 01:22:23 but DLing all your apps, it's a pain on carrier 3G Jul 04 01:22:31 especially with these bandwith limits now. Jul 04 01:22:36 hm, i remmeber doing it on a pixi I had with no cell service Jul 04 01:23:12 i was doing wierd stuff there too. i may have bypassed it to be wifi only at the time Jul 04 01:23:21 prolly Jul 04 01:24:08 anyhow - i'm actually really growing to like this touchpad, but I can't say i'm not looking for to the upcoming OTA Jul 04 01:25:06 me dude. I really do love it Jul 04 01:25:20 I impressed my cousint his weekend, my gf thinks I'm loco for a tablet, but she loves her Pre Jul 04 01:25:29 wowed the Best Buy rep on Thursday. Jul 04 01:25:44 And after a solid weekend of this device, pure awesome. Want more apps, but they will be coming Jul 04 01:25:55 oh yeah Jul 04 01:26:02 Spaz is nice, but looking forward to Graphite from the Carbon dude Jul 04 01:26:18 yeah agree with you there Jul 04 01:26:30 however, my one pet peeve was the lack of accessories at launch. I want the TouchStone badly. wires aren't my thing =\ Jul 04 01:26:49 by the way if you get a chance, would love any feedback on my app Groupon Mobile :) Jul 04 01:26:50 amazon is saying mid july. Jul 04 01:27:01 I messed around with a bit Jul 04 01:27:05 let me see it again. gimme a few Jul 04 01:27:10 sure Jul 04 01:27:12 thanks Jul 04 01:27:41 if anything, off the top of my head, I want to select my favorites and have them be on top of all the other markets Jul 04 01:27:56 but love that it remembers my location. Jul 04 01:28:08 your favorites meaning multiple locations? Jul 04 01:28:14 yes Jul 04 01:28:23 baltimore, New York City, and DC would be mine Jul 04 01:28:30 good suggestion, maybe the list will have a favorites in the top section Jul 04 01:29:05 I live in bmore, go to DC and have fam in NYC area. that's my only reason Jul 04 01:29:22 yeah it makes sense, I think we may have multiple areas here too Jul 04 01:29:38 right now we just auto select the nearest one based on lat/lon Jul 04 01:30:19 also, maybe a share via twitter or facebook options. I know you got text and email. But I love to turn my buddies onto good deals Jul 04 01:30:39 other than that, pretty smooth app. does the job perfectly Jul 04 01:31:01 oh yeah, another good suggestion - especially if I could hookup into the touchpad apps Jul 04 01:31:19 yup. wonder if you can hook onto the FB one now. Jul 04 01:31:39 ok now i am pissed have scrapped all code the f-cking enyo ajax does not work... http://pastie.org/private/ddbcicklljbkstbgpf6g Jul 04 01:31:42 sorry i meant touchpad accounts Jul 04 01:33:34 gonna review this app right now via catalog Jul 04 01:34:31 oh that would be great, it makes a big difference especially if you always have to fight with the competition hehe Jul 04 01:35:11 especially when a search for Groupon doesn't turn up your app first Jul 04 01:35:46 oh yes, there are some old pre ones Jul 04 01:35:55 the only good one for pre I've seen really is the GRPN one Jul 04 01:36:13 oh snap. grupo is there. competition! Jul 04 01:36:30 guys i got DOOM running on my pre Jul 04 01:36:35 in windows 95 Jul 04 01:36:42 haha nice Jul 04 01:36:50 it's soooooooo slow Jul 04 01:36:57 bnceo: grupo? Jul 04 01:37:02 like .8 FPS Jul 04 01:37:05 yup. in the catalog Jul 04 01:37:13 Grupo, your ultimate Groupon App Jul 04 01:37:20 by Prenewbie. TouchPad Jul 04 01:38:52 uh oh haha Jul 04 01:39:35 btw, love Pivot Jul 04 01:39:42 especially how it knows what apps you downloaded already Jul 04 01:39:59 very clever. Should be a weekly or biweekly thing, especially if the amount of apps pick up Jul 04 01:40:43 enyo is on my shit list right now... f-ck! Jul 04 01:40:48 yeah greta idea Jul 04 01:42:17 sorry LoneStar99 that you feel that way =( Jul 04 01:42:19 wow... TouchPad TouchStone is amazing! Jul 04 01:42:49 there is about 3mm of space between the back of my TouchStone and the TouchPad, and it is STILL charging. :) I also have the case on and the back folded around. Jul 04 01:42:52 yeah its super nice Jul 04 01:43:07 bnceo: yeah have nothing but copy and pasted code from working samples and nothing... Jul 04 01:43:17 gotta take off, nice talkin with ya bnceo Jul 04 01:43:23 lataz Jul 04 01:43:26 lates Jul 04 01:47:23 holy shit she's gonna die Jul 04 01:47:34 whatchu watchin? Jul 04 01:47:42 * fxspec06 is watching silence of the lambs Jul 04 01:47:52 great film. really great Jul 04 01:49:05 really .. err.. messed up... but yeah we can go with great also Jul 04 01:49:24 pretty awesome actually Jul 04 01:49:47 hmm. PDK apps from Mojo don't do bad on the Tablet Jul 04 01:49:56 I means from Pre Jul 04 01:51:01 can someone please pastebin the simplest enyo ajax code, that is has been tested and works, the example code is not getting me anywhere Jul 04 01:52:04 lonestar: did you do what we told you Jul 04 01:52:17 show me your updated code Jul 04 01:53:51 fxspec06: i think it is freaking safari.... Jul 04 01:55:00 i dunno that doesn't sound right Jul 04 01:55:30 yeah Jul 04 01:55:30 Canceled opening the page... Jul 04 01:55:56 is what i get from safari when loading ajax... it cancels the results... Jul 04 01:56:58 OMG SHE GOT HIM Jul 04 01:57:20 lol Jul 04 01:57:22 !!!!!! f yeah Jul 04 01:57:34 hmm cancelled.. Jul 04 01:58:56 things that would make a browser stop loading a webpage Jul 04 02:00:23 1. bad code Jul 04 02:00:31 2. lonestar99 is the author Jul 04 02:00:36 3. apple made the browser Jul 04 02:00:40 that's all i can think of Jul 04 02:01:10 =| Jul 04 02:01:21 ok doing something i did not want to but downloading chrome Jul 04 02:01:29 or is chromium better? Jul 04 02:01:35 i don't know Jul 04 02:01:38 chrome is nice Jul 04 02:01:53 i don't use it as main browser, and didn't want to d/l it but its got its uses Jul 04 02:02:09 ctrl + shift + i brings up dev mode Jul 04 02:02:21 you can inspect elements and view the console Jul 04 02:02:27 while its running Jul 04 02:02:31 and see what went wrong Jul 04 02:02:35 what line Jul 04 02:02:41 it's extrememly cool Jul 04 02:03:04 ok cool downloading, but opera will stay my default browser =) Jul 04 02:05:24 when you launch use CMD Jul 04 02:06:00 users/lonestar/appdata/google/applications/chrome.exe --allow-file-access-from-files --enable-file-cookies -disable-web-security Jul 04 02:06:46 wow it downloaded a spanish version... oh well Jul 04 02:06:56 lol Jul 04 02:07:03 you are in mexico Jul 04 02:07:09 .. creeeepy Jul 04 02:07:57 yeah Jul 04 02:09:03 ok opened my app and example and pages are blank... Jul 04 02:09:08 no buttons nothing Jul 04 02:09:14 yeah you gotta open w/ cmd Jul 04 02:09:19 close chrome completely Jul 04 02:09:25 and launch using the three commands Jul 04 02:09:27 --allow-file-access-from-files --enable-file-cookies -disable-web-security Jul 04 02:09:35 oh lol right on Jul 04 02:09:54 so, enyo apps can run on normal browsers? Jul 04 02:10:18 webkit enabled browsers Jul 04 02:10:29 like chrome & safari Jul 04 02:10:39 not sure why FF doesn't have Jul 04 02:10:49 kinda making me want to switch Jul 04 02:11:10 but i'm not a massive fan of chrome Jul 04 02:11:17 safari would be more of an option for me Jul 04 02:11:59 but yeah enyo apps can run in normal web browsers Jul 04 02:14:42 did the following and still empty --> Jul 04 02:14:43 C:\Users\dango-mango>C:\Users\dango-mango\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Applicatio Jul 04 02:14:43 n\chrome.exe --allow-file-access-from-files --enable-file-cookies -disable-web-s Jul 04 02:14:43 ecurity Jul 04 02:15:50 did you close chrome completely before doing that Jul 04 02:15:52 all windows Jul 04 02:16:10 btw you can press up arrow in cmd to do last command Jul 04 02:16:38 yeap Jul 04 02:16:53 might be the stupid spanish version Jul 04 02:17:08 maybe Jul 04 02:17:23 not sure why that would make a difference Jul 04 02:17:49 ran cmd command mutiple times and works now Jul 04 02:17:57 sweeeeeeeet Jul 04 02:17:59 there you go Jul 04 02:18:52 all this time hours and hours and more hours, it was stupid safari cancelling ajax rquests... Jul 04 02:19:01 thank you very much! Jul 04 02:19:05 yeeeeee Jul 04 02:19:09 someone get on that Jul 04 02:19:19 make that sheeeyat known to everyone Jul 04 02:19:36 lol Jul 04 02:19:58 ok brb in 20 gonna walk to burger-shite "burger-king" Jul 04 02:20:21 lol k Jul 04 02:56:34 princealbert! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:57 2011