**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 08 02:59:58 2011 Jul 08 03:07:40 PatrickC: webos 2.1 looks pretty sweet and isnt running bad on this pre- im seriously considering it for my every day phone Jul 08 03:09:01 :D Jul 08 03:09:39 its so blazing fast Jul 08 03:10:40 the animation is faster so it feels faster... and I'm guessing a bit of being fresh from a doctor Jul 08 03:11:52 RagingMind: yeah i would assume so. Jul 08 03:12:20 Epyon22: did you just say that 2.1 on a pre- is fast? Jul 08 03:13:12 summatusmentis: after about half hour of playing with it every thing feels faster and responsive Jul 08 03:13:35 fair enough, I guess Jul 08 03:13:49 that wasn't my experience, but I use my phone pretty heavily Jul 08 03:13:57 1.4.5 always had tap lag and such Jul 08 03:14:12 maybe ill change my mind after a day lol Jul 08 03:14:49 I find 2.1 usable at 1ghz overclock + 48mb compcache on my pre- Jul 08 03:14:59 give it a couple weeks... then call someplace that has a touchtone menu Jul 08 03:15:42 though to be fair I don't really remember what using 1.4.5 on my pre+ was like anymore Jul 08 03:16:44 ive got the advantage of side by side right now Jul 08 03:17:09 oooh, HP web store has the case in stock <3 Jul 08 03:28:03 TP case order placed, picking up my TP at BB on Saturday Jul 08 03:28:36 nice Jul 08 03:29:18 case should get here monday, I'm so excited Jul 08 03:29:38 I won some twitter give-away thing, HP payed for most of my case :) Jul 08 03:29:51 sweet Jul 08 03:30:09 sorry, just excited Jul 08 03:34:53 OMFG Jul 08 03:34:58 * fxspec06 got the togglebutton working Jul 08 03:36:44 lol gj Jul 08 03:41:28 lol thanks. Jul 08 03:41:40 i got 3 hrs of sleep at 7am this morning Jul 08 03:41:52 and i've been trying to figure for two days now lol Jul 08 03:43:46 those are the most rewarding moments when programing Jul 08 03:44:03 when you are on the brink of death and you have been up forever and you finally figure it out Jul 08 03:44:10 (make sure you save) lol Jul 08 03:45:55 i'm good lol Jul 08 03:45:56 it's just Jul 08 03:46:12 ares doesn't have any [expliteve] documentation on it Jul 08 03:48:14 ahh ok Jul 08 04:01:31 Hey what happened to Terminal in preware? Its the only term app that would work on my pixi+. now its missing Jul 08 04:01:42 ;( Jul 08 04:02:24 wait - so does scope get all weird when we're in the onSetupRow call of a VirtualRepeater? seems like this.blah would refer to VirtualRepeater.blah rather than the VirtualRepeater's owner.blah Jul 08 04:03:36 no - that doesn't make any sense. I'm doing something wrong. I just don't know what yet. Jul 08 05:35:12 what's roots default password on a pre 2? Jul 08 06:11:10 who in here watches Suits on USA Network? Jul 08 06:11:37 is there a webOS sighting on it? Jul 08 06:11:46 yes Jul 08 06:11:53 a Veer toward the end Jul 08 06:12:08 the episode that aired tonight Jul 08 06:15:02 rwhitby: where do I report that? or are you gonna? Jul 08 06:15:11 I don't care if you do :) Jul 08 06:16:54 PatrickC: why would an Australian report a sighting on USA Network? Jul 08 06:17:24 I didn't know if the network was worlwide and just called USA... Jul 08 06:17:36 they say "World premier" a lot Jul 08 06:17:46 so I assumed it was worldwide.. Jul 08 06:17:56 PatrickC: indeed, Americans do say "World" for a lot of things that mean "American" Jul 08 06:18:53 that is a truer statement than it should be Jul 08 06:19:05 yeah.. Jul 08 06:19:18 also, I finally got to play with a Veer today, although the Best Buy was out of TouchPad-compatible Touchstones :( Jul 08 06:19:31 I don't have the time to report it tonight.. so, anyone on here can :) Jul 08 06:28:10 I'm off to bed. night all Jul 08 08:37:15 phoque: I decided to create some hello world service on enyo but it's not working Jul 08 08:37:31 ddluk, do you have the source somewhere? Jul 08 08:37:54 phoque: give me a second Jul 08 08:45:07 phoque: https://github.com/ddluk/Enyo-test-service Jul 08 08:48:44 ddluk, how are you packaging your app? Jul 08 08:49:09 palm-package package application service Jul 08 08:49:54 ok Jul 08 08:50:02 successFunc: function(successData) { should be Jul 08 08:50:12 successFunc: function(inSender, successData) { Jul 08 08:50:21 I believe the first argument is the sender, the second one the payload Jul 08 08:51:01 put a few console.log()'s in your methods Jul 08 08:51:09 to see wich one are actually being executed Jul 08 08:51:16 ah, there are some Jul 08 08:51:20 well, put one in runserver() Jul 08 08:51:21 :-) Jul 08 08:52:31 when I execute it I always get failure function Jul 08 08:53:38 instantly? Jul 08 08:53:41 or after 10 seconds? Jul 08 08:57:04 after about 4 seconds Jul 08 08:57:38 hmm Jul 08 08:57:58 novaterm to your device Jul 08 08:58:06 and run tail -f /var/log/messages Jul 08 08:58:10 maybe that'll give you mroe Jul 08 08:59:01 ok, I see that I get failure instantly after click runserver Jul 08 09:00:04 look in your service code, u use the wrong variable to get the "World" parameter: console.log("***************Hello "+ future.args.name); ==> console.log("***************Hello "+ this.controller.args.name) Jul 08 09:02:36 ups, you've got the right simfa :) Jul 08 09:05:59 Yeah, it's working now :) phoque simfa Jul 08 09:06:03 great Jul 08 09:06:25 So know I've got another question (as always) phoque Jul 08 09:06:48 *now Jul 08 09:07:32 It's possible to run node.js simple http server using service? I see on http://nodejs.org/ an example Jul 08 09:07:53 I need to put this server example into my HelloCommand assistant? Jul 08 09:08:08 well... Jul 08 09:08:13 keep your current assistant Jul 08 09:08:22 and create a new one Jul 08 09:08:28 but yeah, that should go in there Jul 08 09:08:42 mind you though, you have to disable the timelimit for your service Jul 08 09:08:59 otherwise it will be shut down by the system after 30 seconds Jul 08 09:09:30 I don't know how you can control your server from other assistants though (to manually turn it off again) Jul 08 09:12:01 ok :) Jul 08 09:12:29 maybe define the server in modules.js (if not defined already) Jul 08 09:12:40 so that the variable representing it is available in all assistants Jul 08 09:12:43 hmm... no idea really Jul 08 09:12:44 :-) Jul 08 09:18:01 uh uh, hopefully I'll break the 400 downloads barrier today :-D Jul 08 09:39:17 uuhhh.... can somebody please tell me what I am doing up at this hour?... Jul 08 09:54:43 phoque: I updated the service code but this is not working https://github.com/ddluk/Enyo-test-service/blob/master/service/HelloCommandAssistant.js Jul 08 10:03:44 ddluk, you can't console.log in services Jul 08 10:06:27 ok, so what Can I do ? Jul 08 10:23:39 tail -f /var/log/messages Jul 08 10:23:56 and return values to your application Jul 08 11:05:37 ddluk: u can also try console.error ("bla"); Jul 08 11:05:53 oh he left already Jul 08 12:08:16 hi, is there a command to close a running service which uses subscribtion? Jul 08 13:01:19 morning peeps Jul 08 13:39:36 Is there any plans to allow for self signed cert in activesync accounts? if not where can I submit a request (url) Jul 08 13:42:20 How long does it take to review in-app-purchase items? Jul 08 14:14:31 * twbbas hopes his stuff gets reviewed today *crosses fingers* Jul 08 14:34:57 what is a good, free, alternative to photoshop. and not gimp.. Jul 08 14:36:47 paint.net for windows Jul 08 14:37:27 Hi PatrickC Jul 08 14:37:39 hey twbbas Jul 08 14:37:49 I'm getting my TouchStone and Case today :D Jul 08 14:37:54 haeffb-pre: not sure paint.net will run on my laptop Jul 08 14:38:02 * PatrickC wishes he had his coupon already! Jul 08 14:38:19 Dev Relations is going pretty slow this week Jul 08 14:38:29 twbbas: let me know what you think of the case Jul 08 14:38:50 * CTLAdvance also wishes someone would contact about a coupon Jul 08 14:38:54 PatrickC: paint Jul 08 14:38:59 I submitted my in app purchase item last Thursday. Still hasn't been reviewed. Emailed them on Saturday asking why it wasn't reviewed the same time my app was reviewed and haven't been answered yet. Jul 08 14:39:00 yeah Jul 08 14:39:07 haeffb-pre: will do Jul 08 14:39:08 "Within 15 days" Jul 08 14:39:17 haeffb-pre: doesn't do what I need. Jul 08 14:39:25 I need to be able to make icons, and such Jul 08 14:39:35 catch 22 Jul 08 14:39:37 PatrickC: Isn't there like an online photoshop program? Jul 08 14:39:41 * twbbas goes and looks Jul 08 14:39:51 why not gimp? Jul 08 14:39:54 yeah.. but I need offline for when I don't have internet Jul 08 14:40:02 ms paint Jul 08 14:40:07 CTLAdvance: I tried gimp, but didn't understand it Jul 08 14:40:14 ah yeah Jul 08 14:40:17 ms paint doesn't do everything I need.. Jul 08 14:40:21 i had that issue Jul 08 14:40:38 you need to read the gimp articles on their site Jul 08 14:40:39 http://www.picnik.com/ Jul 08 14:40:42 PatrickC: learn it Jul 08 14:40:46 gimp seems to be the only thing that supports sp2 though.. Jul 08 14:40:50 so I'll have to learn it Jul 08 14:41:01 gimp is the closest to ps you will get Jul 08 14:41:11 also, inkscape Jul 08 14:41:11 Yup Jul 08 14:41:19 though not paying for ps has its drawbacks Jul 08 14:41:21 best way to learn is tutorials or just playing? Jul 08 14:41:29 everything in gimp takes more steps Jul 08 14:41:44 definitely tutorials Jul 08 14:42:24 does inkscape run in windows? Jul 08 14:42:33 haeffb-pre: inkscape is SVG Jul 08 14:42:38 which webos doesn't support Jul 08 14:42:48 it exports png Jul 08 14:42:55 ah Jul 08 14:42:59 I'll take a look at it Jul 08 14:43:29 duh. I'm running it in win right now... Jul 08 14:43:38 stupid question Jul 08 14:44:45 I'm downloading the portable Inkscape now Jul 08 14:46:11 haeffb-pre: which is better? inkscape or gimp? Jul 08 14:46:54 depends what you want to do. I use both. but I would use inkscape to create icons Jul 08 14:47:11 ok. thanks Jul 08 14:47:12 I would too Jul 08 14:47:18 inkscape gives you vector graphics Jul 08 14:47:28 go to youtube and search 'inkscape tutorial tux' Jul 08 14:48:19 morning folks Jul 08 14:48:40 morning LoneStar99 Jul 08 14:49:46 ok. both inkscape and gimp are downloaded Jul 08 14:50:05 and then run through the tutorials included with inkscape Jul 08 14:50:19 will do Jul 08 14:50:23 thanks haeffb-pre Jul 08 14:50:43 anyone here with a YP want to test my app for orientation issues? Jul 08 14:50:59 TP* ? Jul 08 14:52:04 YahooPad Jul 08 14:52:54 LoneStar talking about the next gen touchpad guys Jul 08 14:53:47 yeah sorry Jul 08 14:54:02 * haeffb-pre watching inkscape tuts on the TP Jul 08 14:54:03 it is a simple canvas app, but not sure if orientation shit is 100% Jul 08 14:54:27 LoneStar99: I could check it out for you Jul 08 14:54:43 ok cool I will load it in 2 minutes Jul 08 14:54:43 hey guys Jul 08 14:54:53 hey Jul 08 14:55:01 hi Jul 08 14:55:38 I'm really intrigued by the concept of a Veer, but the headphone jack is a dealbreaker for me Jul 08 14:55:38 is there any multiplayer game lib supported webos ? Jul 08 14:55:58 webos enyo guys around?? Jul 08 14:58:44 there are a lot of people in here who know enyo, I'm not one of them Jul 08 14:58:55 the common practice in IRC is to not answer if you don't know the answer Jul 08 14:59:11 as for multiplayer libs, I don't think so, but I'm not sure Jul 08 14:59:15 funkatron: http://work.lonestarbeer.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/ Jul 08 14:59:42 it is in.bobc.dr.tp ..... app Jul 08 15:04:19 Yeah, IRC, if silence insues --- it means nobody who's here knows Jul 08 15:04:47 ensues Jul 08 15:04:49 ... Jul 08 15:05:12 consider the case of multiplayer games on the device Jul 08 15:06:04 gameengine i saw on web: http://www.stonetrip.com/what-is-shiva-3d.html Jul 08 15:07:13 LoneStar99: seems to be working pretty well for me Jul 08 15:07:37 orientation changes work Jul 08 15:08:12 so all evverything looks centered? Jul 08 15:08:40 if so time to upload to the app cat =) Jul 08 15:08:41 yes, it does Jul 08 15:09:00 awesome thanks, will check out your drawing =) Jul 08 15:09:03 if hilarity ensues, it means PatrickC asked the question Jul 08 15:09:29 haha Jul 08 15:10:26 simfa the engine is not there for webos Jul 08 15:10:31 funkatron: thank you very much! Jul 08 15:11:51 really? but i general i havnt't said that Jul 08 15:16:09 haeffb-pre: lol Jul 08 15:18:45 LoneStar99: no problem Jul 08 15:20:05 is it possible to convert a CDMA pixi into a GSM pixi? Jul 08 15:20:27 oh hey guys Jul 08 15:20:28 what's up Jul 08 15:20:32 hi Jul 08 15:20:39 anyone know Jul 08 15:20:40 conversion Jul 08 15:20:44 flac to appl lossless Jul 08 15:20:59 fudge_: #webos-internals would be better for that Jul 08 15:21:08 ok Jul 08 15:21:14 fxspec06: huh? lol Jul 08 15:21:17 i'm about to try HP play....... getting rid of this junk media center that i've been using ever since i got the pre Jul 08 15:21:27 HP Play seems decent Jul 08 15:21:28 media center? eww Jul 08 15:21:33 fudge_: you can swap the comms boards in the pixi Jul 08 15:21:34 it actually correctly made playlists for me Jul 08 15:21:37 hp play just updated iirc Jul 08 15:21:55 I wonder if plain old Songbird would do as well Jul 08 15:21:55 got my old itunes library back and got *most* of my new music into it Jul 08 15:22:06 i know, but does the comms board contain the SIM slot on it too? Jul 08 15:22:06 but the last step is my new FLAC files Jul 08 15:22:10 fudge_: why would you convert between one lossless format to another? Jul 08 15:22:10 itunes doesn't support them Jul 08 15:22:18 fudge_: oh, good question Jul 08 15:22:30 will webOS play FLAC? Jul 08 15:22:31 SUMMATUS: lossless conversion to lossless does NOT lose *any* quality Jul 08 15:22:44 you can convert as many times from one to another and never lose anything Jul 08 15:22:56 fxspec06: I'm not sure that's accurate Jul 08 15:23:03 webos plays appl lossless Jul 08 15:23:06 i'm sure it's correct Jul 08 15:23:14 yeah, that's correct Jul 08 15:23:16 it wouldn't be lossless if it lost Jul 08 15:23:26 FLAC doesn't remove any audio data Jul 08 15:23:45 nor does alac, if taken directly from the original source Jul 08 15:23:45 when it's decompressed the output is bit-perfect Jul 08 15:23:45 * PatrickC is lost Jul 08 15:23:56 yep Jul 08 15:24:24 webos doesn't handle flac very well Jul 08 15:24:27 hrm, well, whatever. I guess if you need itunes, go for it Jul 08 15:24:30 or whatever Jul 08 15:24:43 it's just my preference Jul 08 15:25:12 yeah, I mean, I was just curious as to the reasoning Jul 08 15:25:16 inkscape is f'n awesome Jul 08 15:25:16 honestly once you break 192kbps quality differences become inauble, at least on consumer grade audio equipment Jul 08 15:25:27 fucking earbuds in a palm pre Jul 08 15:25:30 lol Jul 08 15:25:39 haeffb-pre: I'll try that soon :) Jul 08 15:25:50 yeah but my sound system knows the diff Jul 08 15:25:52 dcousineau: my jbuds are amazing with sound.. Jul 08 15:25:53 in my house Jul 08 15:25:56 every time I hear about people waxing rhetoric about FLAC for anything other than archival storage Jul 08 15:26:19 there is a differencve Jul 08 15:26:20 I think about all the audiophiles who think they can tell the differnece between $200/ft copper wire and a coat hangar Jul 08 15:26:21 trust me Jul 08 15:26:28 >>>>>> there is a difference Jul 08 15:26:30 come to my house Jul 08 15:26:35 and tell me you don't hear a difference Jul 08 15:26:35 fxspec06: because you probably have a quality sound system that can replicate the sound properly Jul 08 15:26:43 though sometimes it's not even that Jul 08 15:26:46 you want to hear a difference Jul 08 15:26:47 so you do Jul 08 15:26:53 T-5 minutes Jul 08 15:27:05 phoque: till?? Jul 08 15:27:07 it's not even that Jul 08 15:27:09 it's more like Jul 08 15:27:17 PatrickC, start of Atlantis Spaceshuttle Jul 08 15:27:25 cool Jul 08 15:27:38 PatrickC, live video http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/135_splash/index.html Jul 08 15:27:49 will it work on the pre2? :) Jul 08 15:27:50 it's just that Jul 08 15:28:08 PatrickC, does it have Flash? Jul 08 15:28:13 yep Jul 08 15:28:23 i'll be listening and everything will sound great. right. and then one song in a playlist will sound kickass. and i'll check, and that will be the lossless song in the playlist. -----i swear Jul 08 15:28:27 atlantis is the last one? Jul 08 15:28:37 haeffb-pre, yes. The very last one Jul 08 15:28:39 try it yourself Jul 08 15:28:41 it's true Jul 08 15:29:11 fxspec06: I've played with professional and consumer grade audio equipment, worked with sound engineers, and experimented with lossless and lossy compression Jul 08 15:29:13 phoque: really..... :/ Jul 08 15:29:46 fxspec06: and i've learned a few things. 1) at close to 320kbps lossy compression, there is very little equipment in this world Jul 08 15:29:58 that can produce different results from lossy Jul 08 15:30:04 for much of the equipmeent that threshlold is lower Jul 08 15:30:12 and mixing has more to do with recording quality than compression Jul 08 15:30:24 i can agree w/ that Jul 08 15:31:03 but also my ear is very trained Jul 08 15:31:17 the difference is like comparing two grains of sand to each other. Jul 08 15:31:24 lol Jul 08 15:31:27 lol Jul 08 15:31:31 ;) Jul 08 15:31:40 "Is this grain of sand bigger or smaller then its brother?" Jul 08 15:31:43 i'm going to call you an audiophile Jul 08 15:31:47 lol Jul 08 15:31:51 and I want you to understand I considder that to be a derogatory term Jul 08 15:32:02 i accept that Jul 08 15:32:10 :) Jul 08 15:32:31 meanwhile I'm going to go home and hug my 1974 ESS loudspeakers Jul 08 15:32:36 * PatrickC used to live near Kenedy Space Center Jul 08 15:33:14 30 secs! Jul 08 15:33:30 won't play good on the pre2 Jul 08 15:33:31 :/ Jul 08 15:33:41 patrick: you got any new betas Jul 08 15:33:46 liftoff Jul 08 15:33:51 fxspec06: check the forum Jul 08 15:34:00 where is this forum Jul 08 15:34:11 http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forum Jul 08 15:34:15 o damn CNN Jul 08 15:34:17 thanks guys Jul 08 15:34:18 anyone can sign up Jul 08 15:35:37 PatrickC: is this like a shoutcast thing? Jul 08 15:35:48 kinda Jul 08 15:35:50 there's only one post in the whole thing Jul 08 15:35:53 read the description Jul 08 15:36:00 fxspec06: you'll see in a second :) Jul 08 15:37:09 dBpoweramp ====> for anyone looking for audio converter Jul 08 15:37:13 * fudge_ wants to try it Jul 08 15:37:21 fxspec06: check now Jul 08 15:37:29 fudge_: then sign up :) Jul 08 15:37:42 anyone can sign up Jul 08 15:37:46 in the process :3 Jul 08 15:37:53 :) Jul 08 15:38:01 aha i see patrick Jul 08 15:38:23 yep :) Jul 08 15:38:42 * fudge_ waits for confirmationm Jul 08 15:39:12 fudge_: check now Jul 08 15:39:35 :D Jul 08 15:40:46 will it work on 1.4.5? Jul 08 15:41:49 umm.. I haven't tried it on 1.4.5 yet.. its enyo Jul 08 15:41:57 PM me and I'll see what I can do :) Jul 08 15:42:30 i wonder how much of this video NASA is editing Jul 08 15:42:43 PatrickC: Is it meant for phones, TouchPad, or both? Jul 08 15:42:57 both Jul 08 15:43:06 alright. I haven't installed it but I will later today. Jul 08 15:44:34 ok Jul 08 15:49:50 twbbas, fxspec06, fudge_: check the forum for a new post Jul 08 15:49:59 alrighty Jul 08 15:50:13 okay Jul 08 15:51:26 post in the thread with *any* questions Jul 08 15:53:56 yay. got an hybrid app running on the emu :D Jul 08 15:57:40 awesome Jul 08 15:57:57 any windsurfers/sailors/kitesurfers here that want to help beta-testing a wind-prediction app? query me! Jul 08 15:59:51 phoque: That app sounds sweet Jul 08 16:00:02 fxspec06: please make [FEATURE] requests for those ;) Jul 08 16:00:17 twbbas, I'll be out for a few minutes. Query me that I don't forget you :-D Jul 08 16:00:19 its easier for me to see what needs to be done, and which needs to be done first Jul 08 16:02:56 phoque: I'm not a windsurfer/sailor/kitesurfer so it wouldn't be of use to me but I'm still interested. Jul 08 16:05:30 ho ok sry patrick Jul 08 16:05:36 lol Jul 08 16:05:37 ho Jul 08 16:05:38 its ok Jul 08 16:05:46 actually, don't post them quite yet Jul 08 16:05:52 I'm changing forum software Jul 08 16:06:03 so i have to sign up again Jul 08 16:06:54 yeah.. sorry lol Jul 08 16:07:09 SMF seemed good at the time Jul 08 16:07:15 but phpBB is better.. Jul 08 16:07:28 I'll post the new link once everything is up and running Jul 08 16:08:05 k Jul 08 16:08:42 hp play jus froze... and its slow Jul 08 16:10:19 hahaha Jul 08 16:10:25 emergency lights update was rejected Jul 08 16:10:28 "In the description of your app you ask the user to put the TouchPad out the sunroof for some “special fun” as well as go to the bar and “Stop some Violators.” This could be construed as suggesting the user impersonate a police officer, which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison, fines of $1000 or more, probation, and a permanent criminal record. Please review your state and local laws for more information." Jul 08 16:10:51 that description hasn't changed since it was first submitted Jul 08 16:11:10 phoque are you still here ?? :) Jul 08 16:11:10 hahaha Jul 08 16:11:20 lol maik! Jul 08 16:11:21 lol Jul 08 16:12:05 so are you changing your description then? Jul 08 16:12:59 i guess so Jul 08 16:13:25 suggestions they gave for improving it were changing the description, changing the colors, or removing the sounds Jul 08 16:13:34 which is bullshit Jul 08 16:13:39 well, the last two are Jul 08 16:14:24 well yeah, if the goal is to impersonate a police officer, what good would doing the last two get you? :-P Jul 08 16:14:44 Any node.js and service guru here ?? Jul 08 16:14:52 I wrote some code but it's not working Jul 08 16:14:53 https://github.com/ddluk/Enyo-test-service Jul 08 16:14:58 halfhalo knows node, I believe Jul 08 16:15:00 lol Jul 08 16:15:49 I never wrote anything in node so probably I missed something. Jul 08 16:16:46 I'm getting this error Jul 08 16:16:46 http://pastie.org/2183565 Jul 08 16:17:00 hmm. is it possible to unzip a file once its on your server? Jul 08 16:20:08 i will murder whomever pinged me while i was sleeping Jul 08 16:23:19 has anyone used webview with enyo? Jul 08 16:27:14 can the 3.0 sdk package mojo apps for 1.4.5 & 2.x? Jul 08 16:27:29 more behavior changes between mojo and enyo back to drawing board to fix a freaking bug Jul 08 16:33:07 akanster: I believe so, yes Jul 08 16:36:27 HP PLAY RULES Jul 08 16:36:43 omfg Jul 08 16:36:47 <3333333333333333333333333 Jul 08 16:37:43 how so? Jul 08 16:39:01 it automagically recognizes your itunes library Jul 08 16:39:07 and syncs w/ it Jul 08 16:39:09 =D Jul 08 16:39:18 what i've been missing from my pre for forever Jul 08 16:39:29 * fxspec06 knows there are alternatives, but they all suck Jul 08 16:40:24 so i manage my library in itunes Jul 08 16:40:30 oh Jul 08 16:40:34 open HP play and let it update its library Jul 08 16:40:39 and then connect pre Jul 08 16:40:40 and sync Jul 08 16:40:47 I moved away from iTunes when I setup ampache (woo streaming!) Jul 08 16:41:30 i have like Jul 08 16:41:37 300 - 400 playlists Jul 08 16:41:50 oh, see, I prefer to listen to full albums straight through Jul 08 16:41:53 in a bunch of itunes playlist folders Jul 08 16:41:59 yeah, makes sense Jul 08 16:42:02 along with nested smart playlists Jul 08 16:42:07 no other player compares Jul 08 16:42:10 for that Jul 08 16:47:57 boom, emails sent Jul 08 16:54:00 Anyone have newsroom? Jul 08 16:55:04 The more I think about it, the more I realize I hate vertical scrollers for reading RSS feeds Jul 08 16:56:27 TIB: nice update. Jul 08 16:56:37 Thanks! Jul 08 16:56:43 I just got an email with 4 bugs :) Jul 08 16:56:43 no thank you Jul 08 16:56:59 i removed my whole library Jul 08 16:57:07 and am now doing HP PLAY Jul 08 16:57:26 so timing was great Jul 08 16:57:30 heh nice Jul 08 16:57:37 what bugs Jul 08 16:57:51 mostly with m3u playlists Jul 08 16:58:00 oh Jul 08 16:58:29 Hrmmm Jul 08 16:58:30 well the mere fact that it's in now is awesome Jul 08 16:58:41 so anyone get a call from the dev team? Jul 08 16:58:43 seriously thinking about replying to this: http://twitter.com/#!/JayCanuck/status/88176233552150528 Jul 08 16:58:52 with "@JayCanuck Since when did making a portion of an app open source remove its ability to compete?" Jul 08 16:59:04 but I don't it to blow up Jul 08 16:59:30 s/it/want it/ Jul 08 17:02:15 ah, found a nicer way to say it Jul 08 17:02:17 "@JayCanuck Why does making a portion of an app open source remove its ability to compete?" Jul 08 17:02:41 because others will us it Jul 08 17:02:45 maybe not at first,.... Jul 08 17:02:48 but eventually Jul 08 17:03:13 maybe not its complete ability, but it means there will be more to compete with Jul 08 17:03:15 CTLAdvance: well then, EVENTUALLY, you should have other differentiators Jul 08 17:03:20 yep Jul 08 17:03:31 CTLAdvance: that's a poor argument Jul 08 17:03:46 not really Jul 08 17:04:00 ergh. I don't want to get into this. Jul 08 17:04:06 Need to go mow some lawns. Jul 08 17:04:19 because I can make additional differentiators whilel no one else is using the other, making the app have even more features Jul 08 17:04:20 etc Jul 08 17:04:21 etc Jul 08 17:04:32 later Jul 08 17:04:35 * Tibfib_ resists urge to reply Jul 08 17:13:40 ah. forum setup is done.. Jul 08 17:14:04 fxspec06, twbbas: ping Jul 08 17:20:57 hey guys, have a quick question: how do you take a screenshot using the 3.0 emulator? Jul 08 17:29:38 new forum link: awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums Jul 08 17:29:53 http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums * sorry Jul 08 17:30:38 hmmm Jul 08 17:30:46 hp play review: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-discussion/287607-hp-play-awesome.html#post3023370 Jul 08 17:32:57 fxspec06: I thought you didn't like it? Jul 08 17:33:49 nooo i do Jul 08 17:33:57 oops, I'm not supposed to be here Jul 08 17:34:01 that's what i was trying to say Jul 08 17:34:02 lol Jul 08 17:34:07 * Tibfib_ got distracted by koto bug Jul 08 17:34:10 Tibfib_: why are you here?! go away! Jul 08 17:34:30 lol Jul 08 17:57:27 oh crap Jul 08 17:57:34 I can't palm-install onto my pre2 Jul 08 17:57:39 monkies! Jul 08 17:58:00 nutz! Jul 08 17:58:20 palm-install: novacom error: err -99 "Command: put file:///media/internal/.developer/com.tibfib.app.koto_0.8.1_all.ipk Reply:file open failed" Jul 08 17:58:26 lol Jul 08 17:58:29 reboot! Jul 08 17:58:50 file:/// Jul 08 17:59:01 * Tibfib_ rebooots Jul 08 18:01:43 man, if I had as many paid downloads as metrix has logged, I'd be rich. Jul 08 18:01:57 you must have a crappy definition of rich Jul 08 18:02:05 :D Jul 08 18:02:05 "if i had a million dollars" Jul 08 18:02:10 ........."i'd be rich" Jul 08 18:02:20 hey 900 of my downloads are zn_ch local Jul 08 18:02:27 zh_cn Jul 08 18:02:34 I'm guessing that is the not paid area. Jul 08 18:02:50 zn_ch what is that Jul 08 18:02:58 china Jul 08 18:03:00 hahahaah Jul 08 18:03:03 LOL Jul 08 18:03:05 600 1.4.5 users Jul 08 18:03:13 Dumbos. Jul 08 18:03:31 must be a nice chinese forum for that Jul 08 18:03:33 I have nearly as many 1.4.5 users as 2.1 users. Jul 08 18:03:42 Loudergood: yeah, I think so Jul 08 18:03:59 my tp app just broke 1k downloads, woo hoo! Jul 08 18:03:59 impressed that the community is that large actually Jul 08 18:05:28 nice job Jul 08 18:05:42 i gotta work work work Jul 08 18:05:45 to release Jul 08 18:05:48 again Jul 08 18:05:52 >.> coz i pulled. Jul 08 18:06:01 yeah, I dont know how good that is relative to others though haha Jul 08 18:06:39 i'm shooting 10k by end of the year Jul 08 18:07:48 that's a good goal Jul 08 18:08:28 grr netflix. its not wanting to launch on my ps3 Jul 08 18:09:13 halfhalo, reboot the ps3. that's what I usually do Jul 08 18:09:19 i did Jul 08 18:09:24 then gave up and fired up the desktop Jul 08 18:16:52 lol google+ Jul 08 18:19:26 yeah I gave up on using anything other than a PC to stream media, I'm just too demanding Jul 08 18:26:36 anyone want a google+ invite Jul 08 18:26:43 sure Jul 08 18:27:35 Got my Touchstone and TouchPad case Jul 08 18:27:43 cwayne: sure Jul 08 18:27:44 Lovin' both of them Jul 08 18:27:49 Anyone have questions about them? Jul 08 18:27:55 * Tibfib_ is still waiting for his dev coupon Jul 08 18:28:24 halfhalo: Tibfib_ gmail addresses? Jul 08 18:28:47 twbbas: the case, is it an issue that the front flap doesn't attach when closed? Jul 08 18:29:03 does anyone think it is a bad idea to make a loading screen on app start to prevent DB data loss Jul 08 18:29:55 i can just make cool animation while it's loading Jul 08 18:30:00 thanks guys Jul 08 18:30:02 Flashpass: I'd say no. When you carry it, your hand will hold the flap in place. Plus, the flap doesn't start to fall away from the front unless you angle it past 90 degrees. Jul 08 18:30:07 * fxspec06 speaking to himself again Jul 08 18:30:43 twbbas: ah ok, and with the case on, is it an issue setting it on the touchstone? Jul 08 18:31:39 Flashpass: It charges fine inside the case. It's kinda weird because you can only charge it in 1 way in landscape and 1 way in portrait. So, you have to line it up that way. Jul 08 18:31:42 twbbas: how does the case close? Jul 08 18:31:57 oh, already talking about that Jul 08 18:32:06 Flashpass: It's funny because when you charge it on the touchstone with the flap pulled back in landscape, the flap is actually in between the touchstone and the touchpad. It charges through the flap + back of case Jul 08 18:32:23 if that makes any sense Jul 08 18:32:34 twbbas: so the flap on the case has no latching mechanism at all? Jul 08 18:32:53 summatusmentis: On the back, it velcros in underneath a flap. On the front, no. Jul 08 18:32:56 efff Jul 08 18:33:18 The case is kind of rubbery. Very easy to hold. Jul 08 18:33:20 I gave my actual age to google+ and it told me I wasn't old enough Jul 08 18:33:29 lol Jul 08 18:33:33 why do you have to be 18 to use google plus? Jul 08 18:33:37 you do? Jul 08 18:33:40 Yep Jul 08 18:33:43 why are you not 18? Jul 08 18:33:46 ^ Jul 08 18:33:49 I'm 17. Jul 08 18:33:54 i setup ssh and am able to ssh in via wifi but not ppp0 i look at ifconfig ppp0 and have a 10. address so i wanted to check my ip on www.whatismyip.com and not my web browser doesn't work could this be a fw issue since the only rules are set for port 222? Jul 08 18:33:56 that's dumb. Jul 08 18:34:01 oh, is it becaues of the video chat stuff? hiding precious virgin eyes from porn potential? Jul 08 18:34:15 Guess I'm not using google+ any time soon Jul 08 18:34:25 lol Jul 08 18:34:34 twbbas: on the front, is it floppy? Jul 08 18:34:49 summatusmentis: Only when you tilt the TouchPad past 90 degrees. Jul 08 18:34:55 sigh. Jul 08 18:34:55 It stays on there pretty good Jul 08 18:35:02 arbitrary age restrictions are so dumb. Jul 08 18:35:27 okay, now that I fixed that koto bug. I'm gone Jul 08 18:35:50 I'm sure it's not arbitrary Jul 08 18:35:55 I'm sure they did it for legal reasons Jul 08 18:36:01 I don't know if anyone's seen the webOSRoundup Touchstone review, but one of the bad things about it is that the cord doesn't detach from the back of the TouchStone Jul 08 18:36:04 so there's porn on google+? Jul 08 18:36:14 summatusmentis: I was not just referring to google_ Jul 08 18:36:17 + Jul 08 18:36:20 I highly doubt it was "hey, you, pick a number that we should cut people off from G+ at" Jul 08 18:36:23 :-P Jul 08 18:36:26 Tibfib_: no, I understand Jul 08 18:36:36 no, they were probably just too lazy to do what it took to make it legal Jul 08 18:36:58 I thought facebook had the same limit for a long time Jul 08 18:37:27 Loudergood: You had to have a .edu email address (be in college) to use Facebook when it first came out. Jul 08 18:37:33 yeah, that Jul 08 18:37:48 yeah that I know Jul 08 18:39:05 btw I wouldn't lie about your age with g+, if there is a contradiction you could have your account suspended Jul 08 18:39:55 twbbas: so with the flap folded around the back of the tp, does it still sit pretty firmly on the touchstone? like the lip on the bottom? Jul 08 18:40:09 besides, Google is all knowing, they will find you Jul 08 18:41:33 Flashpass: Not as firmly as I'd like it to, but I can rock it a little bit and it stays. In landscape when the flap is folded behind the TouchPad, the flap is actually the only thing on the lip. The actual TouchPad is hanging off the edge of the lip. You still just drop it on and it'll stay. Jul 08 18:41:41 any one have a problem with modeswitcher on a meta-doctored pre? Jul 08 18:41:54 mine wont retrive the default settings Jul 08 18:42:19 I have to leave now. I'll be on later if you guys have any more questions about it. Jul 08 18:42:23 twbbas: ah got it, i guess that's good enough haha Jul 08 18:42:55 why do people keep calling it "the webOS" Jul 08 18:45:11 because they're ignorant Jul 08 18:45:39 lol Jul 08 18:47:50 I find it really irritating Jul 08 18:48:35 I don't know, it makes it really easy to tell which writers have actually bothered to do their research Jul 08 18:50:21 http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_18364686?source=rss this article is quoting HP employees using the phrase "the webOS" Jul 08 18:53:24 go figure Jul 08 18:55:55 Tibfib: Great job w/ playlists! All my HP Play playlists show up superb =D Jul 08 18:56:57 * fxspec06 is in love with his phone again Jul 08 19:01:44 wait, guys, does Angry Birds Rio come for free on the TouchPad? or just the original? Jul 08 19:07:53 * PatrickC walks in Jul 08 19:08:35 just the orig, summatusmentis Jul 08 19:08:49 * fxspec06 shoots nails at patrick Jul 08 19:08:53 ok, that's what I thought Jul 08 19:09:17 I saw a photo of a TP with both, and I wasn't sure if the person had bought rio or not Jul 08 19:09:26 * Epyon22 wonders why fxspec06 has a nail gun Jul 08 19:09:56 * PatrickC dodges the nails Jul 08 19:11:35 who wants to join a beta??? :) Jul 08 19:11:47 i bought one just for those times patrick walks in Jul 08 19:12:07 too bad I had my nail-proof vest on Jul 08 19:12:07 he likes to use his knife. Jul 08 19:12:37 too bad i had my nail-proof vest breaking nails Jul 08 19:12:48 PatrickC: what are we testing? Jul 08 19:13:08 Epyon22: http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums Jul 08 19:13:19 read the post in General Discussion and it explains it Jul 08 19:14:55 best. headphones. ever. http://jlabaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=90 Jul 08 19:14:58 for the price Jul 08 19:15:28 oh my god Jul 08 19:15:31 those look awesome Jul 08 19:15:38 for $24.95 + tax Jul 08 19:15:48 amazon is $25 no tax Jul 08 19:15:55 lemme get a link to the best ones :) Jul 08 19:15:56 4~that's a rockin' sale price Jul 08 19:16:10 I use Koss Portapros, and love them Jul 08 19:16:20 apparently == the sennheiser px100s Jul 08 19:16:32 i haven't had earbuds in a long time Jul 08 19:16:32 those on amazon are http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002RWJDB6/ref=mp_s_a_3?qid=1310152322&sr=8-3 Jul 08 19:17:16 these are the ones I want :) http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003CF9UQU/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1310152372&sr=8-1 Jul 08 19:17:42 i like my hf5's Jul 08 19:18:00 * halfhalo is rocking shure se510s Jul 08 19:18:12 reviews are meh for those jbuds Jul 08 19:18:17 mine are under $30 and work great Jul 08 19:18:22 I'm happy Jul 08 19:18:33 Epyon22: I will but JBuds till they don't make them anymore Jul 08 19:18:42 http://www.amazon.com/Shure-SE535-CL-High-Definition-MicroDriver-Detachable/dp/B003NSBKSW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1310152454&sr=1-1 Jul 08 19:18:45 these are the ones i want. Jul 08 19:18:48 i bought a zen xfi and those head phones are amazing Jul 08 19:18:59 DAMN YOU HALFHALO Jul 08 19:18:59 they are the best I've ever used. and they don't cost a fortune Jul 08 19:19:20 :p Jul 08 19:19:38 fxspec06, halfhalo: microphone? Jul 08 19:19:38 that's okay Jul 08 19:19:44 one day i'll rock shure 9000's Jul 08 19:19:46 yup Jul 08 19:20:33 I will get my cookie working today/tonight Jul 08 19:21:06 only reason I have the se5xx's is because whenever I broke a lower model I just bought the next model up. started with the old se115's :p Jul 08 19:22:00 i had the e3's at one point Jul 08 19:22:01 ha! I break so many, I just buy cheapo skullcandy now Jul 08 19:22:13 akanster: that's what happened to me Jul 08 19:22:17 i keep breaking my headphones Jul 08 19:22:29 so i just buy cheap crap. and throw them around Jul 08 19:22:37 and the cheap crap don't break. Jul 08 19:23:02 akanster: with jlab, if they break, they send you a new pair free, no shipping, no anything Jul 08 19:23:11 can't stand cheap buds Jul 08 19:23:11 or they give you a discount on upgrades Jul 08 19:23:13 the only headphones that actually lasted me were the premium Zune headphones with the braided cable Jul 08 19:23:41 Epyon22: what did you think? Jul 08 19:23:46 my old sony MDR's are sturdy Jul 08 19:23:52 PatrickC: really? I might give them a shot next time. Jul 08 19:24:02 I love jlab Jul 08 19:24:03 I ROCK THE SM57 BRO Jul 08 19:24:07 PatrickC: oh yeah i dont use online radios that often so i wouldnt really be able to test it to the ful Jul 08 19:24:12 the did send menew se5xx's when I did warranty repair Jul 08 19:24:12 I just got those cheap ones on Woot.com yesterday too :( Jul 08 19:24:18 oh are we talking about headphones or microphones? Jul 08 19:24:21 they have awesome buds, with great customer service, and great prive Jul 08 19:24:23 price* Jul 08 19:24:43 funkatron: headphones Jul 08 19:24:44 PatrickC: i could take a play around with it though for a couple min see if there is any bugs Jul 08 19:24:54 word Jul 08 19:24:56 akanster: you can probably cancel the order Jul 08 19:24:58 buds Jul 08 19:25:02 Epyon22: sign up :) Jul 08 19:25:11 funkatron: yeah, I like buds Jul 08 19:25:12 PatrickC: it was < $8 for 3. No biggie Jul 08 19:25:17 lol Jul 08 19:25:23 expensive :P Jul 08 19:25:23 great for travel Jul 08 19:25:30 yeah Jul 08 19:25:35 get the J3 M Jul 08 19:25:46 heh, when I get the se3xx's the pair with a Mic was cheaper than without. Jul 08 19:25:51 once you go good headphones its so hard to go back Jul 08 19:26:07 its what I use daily for school, mowing, biking, etc and they work great Jul 08 19:26:42 akanster: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004TDPWXY/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/187-5292709-3282550 that's also something nice to have Jul 08 19:27:39 PatrickC: signed up Jul 08 19:27:49 Epyon22: ok, approving Jul 08 19:28:56 added. you can now view the forum Jul 08 19:32:56 anyone else want to try out a new beta? Jul 08 19:33:06 PatrickC: does this work on 2.1? Jul 08 19:33:12 yep Jul 08 19:33:22 follow the instructions on how to install enyo first Jul 08 19:36:51 * PatrickC *sighs* Jul 08 19:36:56 algebra.. k/ Jul 08 19:37:07 i have no idea what this enyo install is trying to get me to do Jul 08 19:37:07 :/* Jul 08 19:37:31 read the post, I'll include a link to the IPK packager Jul 08 19:37:55 download the file, then follow the instructions Jul 08 19:37:59 PatrickC: i dont understand this line Jul 08 19:38:01 Put your version of Enyo in here from the ZIP included with the SDK (with 0.10, only put the 0.10 directory inside the “enyo” directory, and it must be *0.10*) and remove the “support” directory inside that directory Jul 08 19:38:30 do you know where enyo is stored on your machine? Jul 08 19:39:05 ohh ok Jul 08 19:39:27 ugh lol dont have enyo on the desktop yet Jul 08 19:40:29 you have the sdk installed? Jul 08 19:42:47 brb Jul 08 19:47:19 Yay! I officially have 2 paid downloads of my enyo app Jul 08 19:47:23 nice one Jul 08 19:47:30 cool cool Jul 08 19:48:02 and 22 "failed transactions" Jul 08 19:49:12 * haeffb does not believe HP's sales numbers Jul 08 19:50:36 anyone know where node services are stored on device? Jul 08 19:51:21 nvm, found it Jul 08 19:51:58 22?? Jul 08 19:52:15 that's what the portal says Jul 08 19:52:35 does HP give promo codes to device reviewers? Jul 08 19:53:03 * fxspec06 needs an idea for a splash screen | type animation.. Jul 08 19:53:16 yeah Jul 08 19:53:17 or loading screen. Jul 08 19:53:22 ah, fxspec06 don't rely on splash screen timing Jul 08 19:53:24 maybe I need a promo code for the Kindle app Jul 08 19:53:27 lol Jul 08 19:53:35 i'm trying to do in BG Jul 08 19:53:51 haeffb - there's a column for HP promo, and I have a few non-zeros. I guess they do... Jul 08 19:54:19 i thought the kindle app was free for the tp Jul 08 19:54:25 qillerneu: theres a column for my promo with a non-zero as well. And I know I didn't hand out any codes Jul 08 19:54:25 i have a new scene that loads it on app start into a variable. then i update the DB and the variable everywhere else, so i only have to load the DB once Jul 08 19:54:42 then stats are superfast. Jul 08 19:55:04 ping rwhitby Jul 08 19:55:23 http://pastebin.com/djFjKLGU << if someone can tell me how to 'swapscene' on DB load.. please tell me.. Jul 08 19:55:45 To make things more weird, I have non-zeros in "Your Promo" column. I don't even have a campaign set up Jul 08 19:56:39 haeffb-pre: getting ready to install inkscape! Jul 08 19:57:07 it's very cool Jul 08 19:58:21 I'm installing the portable Jul 08 19:58:52 * PatrickC needs a new flash drive Jul 08 19:59:41 PatrickC: man this enyo framework takes forever to install Jul 08 19:59:54 Epyon22: the sdk or the ipk? Jul 08 20:00:02 * fxspec06 needs an SSD, quad-core, 8gb ram, && three new monitors Jul 08 20:00:03 the ipk Jul 08 20:00:30 Epyon22: it shouldnt.. did you *only* include the "framework" dir? Jul 08 20:01:26 wow... usb 1 is slowwww Jul 08 20:02:08 duh Jul 08 20:02:08 i found a framework dir Jul 08 20:02:28 did you take the support dir out of 0.10 ? Jul 08 20:02:39 there wasnt one in there Jul 08 20:02:48 hrmm.. ok Jul 08 20:02:57 are you packaging it, or installing it? Jul 08 20:03:05 fxspec06: how long did it take you? Jul 08 20:03:32 ohh i think i found what your talking about...should it be 1.0 not .10? Jul 08 20:03:40 how long did what take me Jul 08 20:03:41 oh Jul 08 20:03:43 like 5 mins Jul 08 20:03:53 it needs to be 0.10 Jul 08 20:04:01 yeah what patrick said Jul 08 20:04:05 that is the dir my app links to Jul 08 20:04:53 i have a bin/ and a share/ Jul 08 20:05:37 ok. look in the share? Jul 08 20:05:45 I don't remember exactly.. fxspec06? Jul 08 20:06:04 all this will be added to the instructions :) Jul 08 20:07:03 if i go into share/refcode/framework/enyo/ Jul 08 20:07:06 i have a 1.0/ Jul 08 20:07:17 ok. you need to copy that dir Jul 08 20:07:21 and change it to 0.10 Jul 08 20:07:27 oh ok Jul 08 20:07:28 lol Jul 08 20:07:44 make sure that *only* the framework dir is inside 0.10 Jul 08 20:09:36 hmm now how to i cancel wosqi... Jul 08 20:12:56 can you just pre package enyo? Jul 08 20:13:12 or is that against toa? Jul 08 20:21:29 Epyon22: you get it working? Jul 08 20:21:55 it installed both enyo and your program but it wont start up Jul 08 20:22:09 what does the log say? Jul 08 20:23:07 how do i access the log? Jul 08 20:23:38 palm-log com.awesomeapps.yourradio-enyo Jul 08 20:27:12 http://pastebin.com/uxnpiFH0 Jul 08 20:27:34 i dont think the enyo install worked Jul 08 20:27:53 ok. do you have internalz/novaterm near? Jul 08 20:28:40 yeah Jul 08 20:29:25 find /usr/palm/frameworks Jul 08 20:30:03 and look for enyo Jul 08 20:30:28 nothin there Jul 08 20:30:36 there is no enyo dir Jul 08 20:30:41 nope Jul 08 20:30:42 or there is nothing in the enyo dir? Jul 08 20:30:44 ok Jul 08 20:30:53 try the ipk again. Jul 08 20:30:58 fxspec06: ping Jul 08 20:34:25 still nothing in the framworks folder Jul 08 20:34:29 *frameworks Jul 08 20:34:33 hrmm... Jul 08 20:34:39 I have no clue Jul 08 20:34:46 try re-building the ipk? Jul 08 20:34:59 did that... must be the way i built the ipk Jul 08 20:35:15 weird Jul 08 20:35:20 but it registers with all the names and id's and stuff when i do the packager Jul 08 20:35:44 are you sure i need the folder 0.10 not 1.0? Jul 08 20:35:49 yeah Jul 08 20:36:03 ok.. build it with 1.0 and we'll fix it later Jul 08 20:37:47 same thing Jul 08 20:38:10 brb gonna find me some food Jul 08 20:38:35 ok Jul 08 20:45:47 bye Jul 08 20:46:06 vye Jul 08 20:48:37 PatrickC: back Jul 08 20:48:42 ok Jul 08 20:50:00 are we just waiting for fxspec06 to get back? Jul 08 20:50:12 yeah.. he had trouble yesterday Jul 08 20:50:14 and fixed it Jul 08 20:50:48 ah ok well ill be near my comp ping me when he gets back...gotta put an invsi sheild on my sis's new nexus Jul 08 20:51:07 ok Jul 08 21:04:37 fxspec06: ping! Jul 08 21:16:11 NOOO Jul 08 21:16:13 what's a ping Jul 08 21:16:17 >.> Jul 08 21:16:31 am i supposed to hear something Jul 08 21:16:37 is PatrickC still here? Jul 08 21:16:40 yes! Jul 08 21:16:42 no Jul 08 21:16:42 lol Jul 08 21:16:43 :) Jul 08 21:16:44 i killed him Jul 08 21:16:51 fxspec06: was that a serious question? Jul 08 21:16:52 * PatrickC runs away Jul 08 21:17:02 summatusmentis: I hope not Jul 08 21:17:07 lol i know what a ping is Jul 08 21:17:12 alright Jul 08 21:17:14 kinda Jul 08 21:17:15 just clarifying Jul 08 21:17:15 sorta Jul 08 21:17:21 not sure why Jul 08 21:17:23 patrick Jul 08 21:17:28 do people respond to packets well? Jul 08 21:17:32 well, the idea is someone says ping, you reply with pong when you get it Jul 08 21:17:32 said ping to me though Jul 08 21:17:39 oh Jul 08 21:17:45 lol Jul 08 21:17:49 PatrickC: PONG Jul 08 21:17:50 summatusmentis: ping Jul 08 21:17:50 or, not, but basically it's "I'm looking for you, reply when you can" Jul 08 21:17:57 i see Jul 08 21:18:00 well it worked Jul 08 21:18:02 lol Jul 08 21:18:03 indeed Jul 08 21:18:18 fxspec06: we are having trouble with Epyon22_'s ipk.. you might know how to fix it Jul 08 21:18:21 ipk for enyo Jul 08 21:18:28 hmm Jul 08 21:18:30 okay Jul 08 21:18:58 he says that it completes the installation, but doesn't place the enyo folder in /usr/palm/frameworks Jul 08 21:19:56 does it place it anywhere Jul 08 21:20:20 not that we see Jul 08 21:20:24 Epyon22_: ? Jul 08 21:20:31 is he making the package correctly Jul 08 21:20:45 im installing terminal to do a find on it Jul 08 21:21:08 Epyon22_: terminal doesn't work on 2.1 afaik Jul 08 21:21:18 only XTerm/Terminus Jul 08 21:21:34 Epyon can't you just copy the files to media/internal Jul 08 21:21:37 is the stuff i need to put into the enyo folder at apt/PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/framework/? Jul 08 21:21:45 *opt Jul 08 21:21:46 and use internalz to move Jul 08 21:21:55 ? Jul 08 21:22:22 from my computer to build the ipk Jul 08 21:22:23 fxspec06: I guess that might work.. Jul 08 21:22:32 you wouldn't be able to uninstall it if you wanted Jul 08 21:22:35 but Jul 08 21:22:39 it's the same thing Jul 08 21:22:46 no headaches Jul 08 21:23:06 yeah Jul 08 21:23:20 Epyon22_: copy the "enyo" folder to /media/internal (usb drive) Jul 08 21:24:08 yeah Jul 08 21:24:32 copying Jul 08 21:24:41 let us know when done :) Jul 08 21:25:37 ok done Jul 08 21:25:53 go to novaterm Jul 08 21:26:11 yay for novaterm Jul 08 21:26:28 im making sure my cmd is correct Jul 08 21:26:46 whats the cmd in windows lol i havent used novaterm in a long time Jul 08 21:27:21 novacom -t open tty:// Jul 08 21:27:46 ok cool got it Jul 08 21:28:19 ahh tab doesnt work :-( Jul 08 21:28:36 tab ? Jul 08 21:28:48 tab compleation for filenames Jul 08 21:28:50 galaxy tab Jul 08 21:28:52 ? Jul 08 21:28:58 ohh Jul 08 21:29:24 ok so what am i doing from here Jul 08 21:29:33 cd /media/internal Jul 08 21:29:37 kk Jul 08 21:29:46 uhh you gotta remount as root right Jul 08 21:30:05 fxspec06: nope.. I don't think so Jul 08 21:30:10 I believe you already are root Jul 08 21:30:13 ok Jul 08 21:30:14 then Jul 08 21:30:21 i am root but do i have rw on the sys parts Jul 08 21:30:49 cp enyo ../cryptofs/palm/applications/frameworks/ Jul 08 21:30:51 is that right pat Jul 08 21:31:53 fxspec06: it needs to go in /usr/palm/frameworks Jul 08 21:32:13 oh so root/usr/palm/frameworks Jul 08 21:32:15 so Jul 08 21:32:19 try this Jul 08 21:32:26 cp enyo ../../usr/palm/frameworks/ Jul 08 21:32:37 it'll either work or it won't Jul 08 21:32:41 or cp enyo /usr/palm/frameworks Jul 08 21:33:09 i'm pretty sure he needs ../../ b/c he's in media/internal Jul 08 21:33:19 but if he doesn't have root then i don't think it will work Jul 08 21:33:33 "/" at the beginning automatically means root Jul 08 21:33:40 ohhh sweet. Jul 08 21:33:56 * fxspec06 never used linux as his main computer Jul 08 21:34:06 * fxspec06 or learned a lot about it Jul 08 21:34:23 :) Jul 08 21:34:35 I don't use linux as my main computer Jul 08 21:34:42 but I do use novaterm a lot Jul 08 21:35:01 eh i don't need to anymore Jul 08 21:35:02 weird Jul 08 21:35:15 its saying omitting directory 'enyo' Jul 08 21:35:16 what? Jul 08 21:35:22 hrmm.. Jul 08 21:35:29 ls /media/internal Jul 08 21:35:41 ls -t -r -l /media/internal Jul 08 21:35:42 and see if enyo is in there Jul 08 21:35:45 cp -r Jul 08 21:35:45 wait Jul 08 21:35:47 yeah its in there Jul 08 21:35:53 ls /media/internal/enyo Jul 08 21:35:58 ok.. try Jul 08 21:36:06 cp -r says /user/palm/frameworks/enyo is not a directory? Jul 08 21:36:12 mv enyo /usr/palm/frameworks Jul 08 21:36:15 i know linux and this is funky Jul 08 21:36:28 you need to copy the dir Jul 08 21:36:42 internalz might be easier Jul 08 21:36:55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 08 21:37:15 there we go its in there Jul 08 21:37:35 twbbas: we moved the forum Jul 08 21:37:36 ok Jul 08 21:37:47 now ls /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo Jul 08 21:37:49 i had to do "cp -r enyo/. /usr/palm/frameworks/ Jul 08 21:38:14 that makes sense Jul 08 21:38:35 PatrickC: yeah, I saw the email. Will register soon. Jul 08 21:39:03 maybe not... Jul 08 21:39:10 ok Jul 08 21:39:11 didnt know if it sent the email Jul 08 21:39:12 cand cd to enyo Jul 08 21:39:35 try Jul 08 21:39:42 ls /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo Jul 08 21:41:04 ok now its there Jul 08 21:41:07 i just used internals Jul 08 21:41:27 now it starts up Jul 08 21:41:53 PatrickC: fxspec06 now it works Jul 08 21:42:06 yay Jul 08 21:42:15 so e z Jul 08 21:42:41 haha Jul 08 21:42:42 yeaaah... lol Jul 08 21:42:50 let me see if i can figure out the ipk though Jul 08 21:42:59 cause i think i know what i did wrong Jul 08 21:43:03 WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN PACKAGES Jul 08 21:43:11 lol Jul 08 21:43:24 * PatrickC NEEDS A NEW LAPTOP Jul 08 21:43:33 * CTLAdvance needs a touchpad Jul 08 21:43:34 * fxspec06 TOO Jul 08 21:43:41 * fxspec06 AND THAT Jul 08 21:43:45 THREE! Jul 08 21:43:54 * CTLAdvance four Jul 08 21:44:10 fxspec06: how much ram does your laptop have? Jul 08 21:44:38 5, 6, 7, 8 who do you appreciate Jul 08 21:44:39 my laptop works great :-P Jul 08 21:44:44 mine does too Jul 08 21:44:51 except when i kill it like i do every day Jul 08 21:44:51 mine works good Jul 08 21:44:55 mine doesnt Jul 08 21:44:59 4gb Jul 08 21:45:03 what would you need 8 gigs in a laptop Jul 08 21:45:08 uhm Jul 08 21:45:09 unreal engine Jul 08 21:45:13 mine has less ram them my pixi did Jul 08 21:45:14 VMs Jul 08 21:45:16 for the trillions of apps i have open every day Jul 08 21:45:17 VM's Jul 08 21:45:22 PSDS Jul 08 21:45:24 yeah vm's Jul 08 21:45:26 Workshops Jul 08 21:45:32 Epyon22_: halfhalo does Jul 08 21:45:40 browsers with 50+ tabs Jul 08 21:45:50 ive got 4gigs in my deskop only time i need it is when i use vm's Jul 08 21:46:01 always need more when using vm's lol Jul 08 21:46:05 my laptop has 3GB, and I'm pretty consistently maxed out Jul 08 21:46:11 128MB RAM FTW! lol Jul 08 21:46:17 yeah i'm maxed out at 4 Jul 08 21:46:21 a lot fo the time Jul 08 21:46:32 * CTLAdvance can go to 8, doesnt need more than 6 Jul 08 21:46:46 my desktop can do 16gb i think Jul 08 21:46:49 i reboot the shit out of it every few days though Jul 08 21:47:24 patrickC: want a new processor? Jul 08 21:47:28 p8400 socket p Jul 08 21:47:44 fxspec06: a. I'm gettin a new mb soon Jul 08 21:48:42 fxspec06: what more do I need? isn't 688MHz standard for laptops? Jul 08 21:48:55 lol Jul 08 21:48:59 you're joking Jul 08 21:49:01 right Jul 08 21:49:08 nope Jul 08 21:49:09 P3 Jul 08 21:49:12 omg Jul 08 21:49:18 designed for win me Jul 08 21:49:23 here Jul 08 21:49:28 ouch Jul 08 21:49:30 i was gonna sell it but i'll overnight Jul 08 21:49:35 just coz i feel bad Jul 08 21:49:39 lol Jul 08 21:49:47 win me just hurts to hear still exists Jul 08 21:49:55 from 2000 I believe it was made Jul 08 21:50:14 you should use win 98 Jul 08 21:50:19 i wouldn't run me Jul 08 21:50:32 and win 98 themes and sounds Jul 08 21:50:34 were best ever Jul 08 21:51:07 it runs win xp pro Jul 08 21:51:48 it doesn't run, it crawls Jul 08 21:51:50 * halfhalo votes burn it at the stake Jul 08 21:53:32 * fxspec06 votes use it as a weapon against the japanese Jul 08 21:56:41 huh weird the postinst isnt working Jul 08 21:57:42 ohh i see Jul 08 21:57:50 PatrickC: postinst is wrong Jul 08 21:58:01 it shouldnt be Jul 08 21:58:30 how? Jul 08 21:58:53 http://pastebin.com/dVkHR3TB Jul 08 21:59:15 should be this line 3 apps/files/enyo Jul 08 21:59:22 i found where all the files were Jul 08 21:59:38 let me check to see if it works real quick Jul 08 22:02:08 hmm wtf Jul 08 22:03:15 the api guide says enyo.CheckBox inherits from enyo.Button so caption should be how I label it but I don't seem to be getting any text with caption. is there something else to checkboxes? Jul 08 22:04:12 PatrickC: idk what im doing wrong for the ipk but what ever it works lol Jul 08 22:04:22 * zylogz80 checks stylematters Jul 08 22:05:05 ah,put em in a row group Jul 08 22:22:02 no... I can't even palm-install!! Jul 08 22:31:24 PatrickC: you broke it Jul 08 22:31:32 fixed it Jul 08 22:31:41 but I rebooted my pre2 and all the cookies from apps are gone!! Jul 08 22:31:41 lol Jul 08 22:31:52 thats not cool Jul 08 22:31:55 nope Jul 08 22:31:59 everything gone Jul 08 22:36:45 I am trying to bypass activation for a Palm Pixi Plus. Following this tutorial: https://developer.palm.com/content/index.php?id=4522 When I run java -jar devicetool.jar I get the error, "Error: Connection refused: connection" Jul 08 22:38:04 Mike9863, I have a Pixi+ I've been meaning to try that on. Lemme give it a shot and see what happens for me Jul 08 22:38:17 zylogz80, Alright thanks. Jul 08 22:39:05 I didn't run the webOS Doctor because the installation for that seems to be taking hours to complete, and I don't think it's necessary. Jul 08 22:44:17 anyone get a dev device email today? Jul 08 22:44:34 Mike9863, sorry, worked for me:( do you have the sdk installed? you need the sdk for it to work. Jul 08 22:44:50 What's the sdk? Jul 08 22:45:17 Mike9863, the software development kit. it is what developers install to write software for the platform. it contains the tools required to talk to the device Jul 08 22:45:36 Mike9863, is that your goal, to write software for the device? Jul 08 22:46:03 I can't activate the phone until Monday, and I would just like to try out some of its features now. Jul 08 22:46:53 CTLAdvance: I got mine 2 days ago Jul 08 22:46:59 Mike9863, ah I see. well, what you could do is download and install the SDK. it is farily simple. It is available here https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html Jul 08 22:47:18 saying they will email you in 15 days... i havwe that as well, i mean part 2 Jul 08 22:47:30 Mike9863, however, I suggest you wait until monday unless you are comfortable with the steps. Jul 08 22:47:42 CTLAdvance: ah Jul 08 22:48:05 zylogz80, I see it says that it's available for Ubuntu. That is my primary OS, and I was trying to bypass activation through XP in a VM. Will I be able to bypass activation through Ubuntu? Jul 08 22:48:33 Mike9863, should be able to as long as you have the sun-java installed, not the openjdk Jul 08 22:48:47 Mike9863: comunitcating through vm to my pre has never worked correctly Jul 08 22:48:51 Mike9863, if you are a linux user you are likely not going to find installing the sdk challenging. give it a shot. Jul 08 22:49:28 Mike9863: you should definatly try doing it through the native os Jul 08 22:49:46 So I'll need sun-java and the webOS SDK to bypass activation on Ubuntu? Jul 08 22:50:00 Mike9863, yup, that should do it Jul 08 22:50:06 Alright thanks. I'll tell you how it goes. Jul 08 22:50:39 * zylogz80 now has a random pixi+ Jul 08 22:50:49 Haha Jul 08 22:51:25 Mike9863: verify you are running the sun jre by doing 'java -version' before you do any thing a non sun java could screw it up Jul 08 22:52:33 Yeah I'm currently using open. I'll install sun now. Jul 08 22:55:16 Mike9863: Ensure that sun-java6-jre is set as the default by typing 'sudo update-alternatives --config java', and select '/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java' if it is not already starred as the default Jul 08 22:55:35 Epyon22_, Thanks Jul 08 22:56:00 ive had to deal with the openjdk vs sun-java6-jdk and its a complete bitch Jul 08 23:25:35 well thats great Jul 08 23:26:08 pre- just crashed and has a ! www.palm.com/ROM on it :-( Jul 08 23:26:25 well, crap. This Is My Next is reporting reliable sources saying no webos on sprint Jul 08 23:26:47 what are they saying Jul 08 23:27:19 http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/08/exclusive-pre-3-not-coming-sprint/ Jul 08 23:28:46 is the webosquick install generated on a linux machine bad to use on a windows machine? Jul 08 23:30:39 summatusmentis: man thats a sour taste :-( might be the nexus s for me Jul 08 23:30:54 Epyon22_: I know the feeling, I'm not sure I want to give up webos Jul 08 23:31:34 i know i really almost want to wait it out...but every time i drop my pre- i feel like its gonna be the end Jul 08 23:33:42 haeffb: I got inkscape installed (finally got to play with it) Jul 08 23:34:32 Epyon22_: that articule suggests the source says no future devices are coming Jul 08 23:35:08 what we talkin about? Jul 08 23:35:14 summatusmentis: it feels like that but it may be the writer feeling sad lol Jul 08 23:35:32 PatrickC: look at summatusmentis link ^ Jul 08 23:35:49 Epyon22_: wasn't here for it Jul 08 23:36:36 who uses an irc bouncer in here? Jul 08 23:36:37 http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/08/exclusive-pre-3-not-coming-sprint/ Jul 08 23:36:43 I don't use a bouncer Jul 08 23:36:53 oh yeah PatrickC my pre- that i was testing 2.1 on just crashed and is showing the fix rom symbol Jul 08 23:37:12 Epyon22_: really?! umm.. idk what happened Jul 08 23:38:37 omg - preferences services are easy to use but man are they uuuuugly. following the example from https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial6.html is nont-very-enyo-like in it's weirditude. the keys and the methods should be defined in the component, not in a function call like that Jul 08 23:38:39 PatrickC: idk either it was fine on sec and then was gone... cant have that happen on my phone Jul 08 23:38:42 * zylogz80 shivers Jul 08 23:41:11 can you only use the palm usb cable/power plug to power the touchstone? Jul 08 23:41:33 Vyker: seems that way Jul 08 23:41:39 im using a generic usb charger, plugged into the back of the touchstone, and it doesnt behave normally. Jul 08 23:41:51 how did they do that? Jul 08 23:42:01 whats special about thier cable? Jul 08 23:42:02 yeah i think the palm one can deliver more power Jul 08 23:42:12 maybe to power the magnet Jul 08 23:42:34 i think i read somwhere it will deliver up to 1000ma Jul 08 23:42:51 a little frustrating. Jul 08 23:43:33 when you order one just order the cable and the touchstone at the same tiem when you do Jul 08 23:43:44 get em for under 10 bucks now Jul 08 23:44:13 anyone use znc? Jul 08 23:44:52 under 10 bucks? where? [am in UK] Jul 08 23:45:18 so frustrated :( Jul 08 23:46:14 in the us i would order them on amazon.com Jul 08 23:47:05 oh nvm the pair for 17$ Jul 08 23:47:14 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Touchstone-Charging-Charger-Cable/dp/B003O76EE2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1310168548&sr=8-2 Jul 08 23:49:31 * summatusmentis ponders franken-pre2 Jul 08 23:49:58 summatusmentis: is it just a pre2 with a sprint cdma radio? Jul 08 23:50:13 yeah Jul 08 23:50:25 you have to hack some tokens, I believe Jul 08 23:50:58 Vyker: was on amazon.co.uk doesnt seem like a charger is as ez to fine Jul 08 23:51:25 franken pre3 :-D Jul 08 23:53:20 Epyon22_: not possible, completely different hardware Jul 08 23:53:41 summatusmentis: one can dream :-P Jul 08 23:53:47 is anyone here on t-mobile Jul 09 00:02:49 fuck you sprint Jul 09 00:03:07 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/pre-3-not-sprint-bound/ Jul 09 00:03:16 srsly Jul 09 00:03:31 I'm probably going gsm Jul 09 00:03:33 yeah... Jul 09 00:03:34 maybe prepaid gsm Jul 09 00:04:04 forget this carrier lock-in Jul 09 00:04:05 * halfhalo has the a tee tees Jul 09 00:04:31 halfhalo: did you say you were on t-mobile? Jul 09 00:04:42 no Jul 09 00:04:46 thats it Jul 09 00:04:56 im totally texting for info on that $5 sprint pre on craigslist Jul 09 00:05:07 lol Jul 09 00:05:09 and frankenpre this pre2 Jul 09 00:05:21 atleast that way i keep my current pre Jul 09 00:05:28 how much are pre2's now adays Jul 09 00:06:25 halfhalo: what bouncer do you use? Jul 09 00:06:43 or do you use one? Jul 09 00:07:24 znc Jul 09 00:07:58 I can't get it to set up... Jul 09 00:08:07 I can't get the install-sh to run Jul 09 00:08:16 and #znc is of no help Jul 09 00:08:26 your trying to run it on a shared host aren't you Jul 09 00:08:35 freehost, yeah Jul 09 00:08:42 heh Jul 09 00:08:45 have fun with that Jul 09 00:08:50 I have ssh access though.. isn't that all I need? Jul 09 00:09:43 check out quassel Jul 09 00:10:16 they have clients for linux and windows and if you have ssh access you can run the core on there Jul 09 00:10:40 will quassel work as a bouncer? Jul 09 00:11:46 yeah it seems like the general idea Jul 09 00:11:56 you have to run the client though Jul 09 00:12:15 * halfhalo has his running on an honest to god virtual server. none of that shared hosting malarky Jul 09 00:12:38 no web interface like znc would have Jul 09 00:13:06 its pretty much like a irc program split into a backend and frontend client server config Jul 09 00:13:06 summatusmentis: I'm on tmo Jul 09 00:13:30 halfhalo: I'm looking for free stuff Jul 09 00:15:19 dwc-: is it reasonble service? do you have issues? Jul 09 00:17:51 PatrickC: why not run a server on your computer at home? Jul 09 00:18:09 my parents don't want me to Jul 09 00:18:20 lols Jul 09 00:19:07 ...would they know? do you have computer literate parents? Jul 09 00:19:22 my dads an electrical engineer who build and coded a robot Jul 09 00:19:24 :) Jul 09 00:19:35 lol cool and not cool at the same time Jul 09 00:19:37 my dad is a robot Jul 09 00:19:46 fxspec06: we know... Jul 09 00:19:55 * halfhalo built a robot before. unfortunately, said robot had a hatchett. Jul 09 00:20:18 is that why your only half a halo? Jul 09 00:20:31 lol Jul 09 00:20:38 he likes half life and halo Jul 09 00:21:03 * PatrickC gives up on znc Jul 09 00:21:22 noooo! never give up Jul 09 00:21:27 you could always just use screen Jul 09 00:21:28 never give in Jul 09 00:21:29 oh, I love background check applications. "have you ever been convicted of a crime?" me: "do i have to answer that?" Jul 09 00:21:30 never back down Jul 09 00:21:47 lol Jul 09 00:21:48 Epyon22_: huh? Jul 09 00:21:52 halfhalo: lol Jul 09 00:22:01 most linux boxes have a program called screen Jul 09 00:22:02 it's such BS too Jul 09 00:22:05 coz like Jul 09 00:22:13 if you lie, they know you're lying Jul 09 00:22:16 but if you say yes Jul 09 00:22:21 then they throw you away Jul 09 00:22:26 so you ssh into them start a cmd line irc clinet and it will always be running even if your not connected Jul 09 00:22:32 Epyon22_: does my pre have it? Jul 09 00:22:55 :) Jul 09 00:22:58 summatusmentis: well, I have 2g edge non-smartphone data, so that part is a good value... "issues" ... there are dead spots, like with any carrier. You should check the coverage maps of the places you are Jul 09 00:23:03 ipkg-opt install screen =] Jul 09 00:23:10 PatrickC: wirc would work fine for that Jul 09 00:23:12 * fxspec06 's pre2 is an oreo Jul 09 00:23:16 dwc-: figured :) Jul 09 00:23:16 you just have to have a terminal Jul 09 00:23:23 Epyon22_: I have a terminal Jul 09 00:23:25 * halfhalo is uploading waaaay to much stuff to box.net right now Jul 09 00:23:30 * PatrickC pets XTerm Jul 09 00:23:33 dwc-: can I ask what you pay? Jul 09 00:23:42 halfhalo: got the 50GB free? Jul 09 00:23:47 summatusmentis: it works reasonably fine for me. the places I go for the most part don't have issues. Jul 09 00:23:49 mebe Jul 09 00:24:12 PatrickC: so if you have a place to ssh into see if you can install a cli irc client and see if it has screen Jul 09 00:24:17 dwc-: how'd you manage 2g on a smartphone Jul 09 00:24:29 Epyon22_: like irssi? Jul 09 00:24:36 zylogz80 & Epyon22_, I was able to bypass the activation. Thanks. :) Jul 09 00:24:40 summatusmentis: $49.99 base for a family plan with 1000 anytime/unlimited mm/0nw Jul 09 00:24:55 $5/mo for the data Jul 09 00:24:57 ah, not bad :) Jul 09 00:24:59 that plan is not available now though Jul 09 00:25:03 I think now it's $60 Jul 09 00:25:13 Mike9863: np man Jul 09 00:25:16 PatrickC: yeah Jul 09 00:25:24 Mike9863, cool. Jul 09 00:25:31 have had the plan for oh, 4? years now? Jul 09 00:25:48 added data when I had a non-smartphone Jul 09 00:25:55 * halfhalo is paying somewhere north of 100 right now Jul 09 00:26:22 it was "not guaranteed to work if I change handsets" Jul 09 00:26:26 passive ftp failed Jul 09 00:26:58 dwc-: yeah, grandfathered plans are pretty rockin' Jul 09 00:27:18 :-/ I'm not liking my switch optoins Jul 09 00:27:22 options* Jul 09 00:28:11 * PatrickC points to http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums/ Jul 09 00:28:52 anyone want to play a game of "where's the impossible to find syntx error" with me? http://fpaste.org/ccoQ/ Jul 09 00:29:06 There's something wrong in there but I can't find it to save my life. Jul 09 00:29:15 I would Jul 09 00:29:20 but there's too many words Jul 09 00:29:27 what link is it on? Jul 09 00:30:02 summatusmentis: what are your requirements? Jul 09 00:30:58 PatrickC, was that a question for me? what link is it on? no sure what you mean. the pastebin is http://fpaste.org/ccoQ/ Jul 09 00:31:21 I ment what line is the error on Jul 09 00:31:42 srry lol Jul 09 00:32:05 PatrickC, oh. haha. I don't know. all palm-log tells me is that it can't find the constructor for this kind, meaning there's asumb really dumb syntax error like a missing semi color or something. Jul 09 00:32:22 man I can't type Jul 09 00:32:26 run it thru jslint Jul 09 00:32:33 * Epyon22_out is heading out w/ friends waves bye to every one Jul 09 00:32:42 bye Epyon22_out Jul 09 00:33:06 PatrickC, jslint doesn't scan it all the way through, it dies because I have an inSender that I don't use Jul 09 00:33:15 * zylogz80 realizes he can just omit that for the sake of jslint Jul 09 00:33:16 ah Jul 09 00:33:50 * PatrickC ponders if he's gonna work on his app tonight Jul 09 00:34:08 anyone who wants to be in the beta check out http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/forums/ Jul 09 00:34:27 hmm, it seems line 54 is pissing it off maybe Jul 09 00:34:30 * zylogz80 checks the link Jul 09 00:34:37 dwc-: I currently pay $40 for 500 minutes, unlimited data, unlimited sms Jul 09 00:34:42 anything close to that :) Jul 09 00:34:59 summatusmentis: what carrier? Jul 09 00:35:02 sprint? Jul 09 00:35:04 PatrickC: sprint Jul 09 00:35:05 is that sprint sero? Jul 09 00:35:09 it is Jul 09 00:35:15 + the $10 to use webos Jul 09 00:35:16 sero? Jul 09 00:35:18 heh. good luck finding something to beat all of that then. Jul 09 00:35:23 yeah, I know :( Jul 09 00:35:33 sprint employee something something Jul 09 00:35:34 but anything else for something equivalent is $90 Jul 09 00:35:44 Sprint Employee Referral Offer Jul 09 00:35:45 it was a $30/mo plan a few years back that isn't available now Jul 09 00:36:00 summatusmentis: ah. we have that (I think) Jul 09 00:36:25 and _everyone_ has tiered data now, except sprint Jul 09 00:36:30 :) Jul 09 00:36:37 summatusmentis: funny how they keep telling us we're better off with less competition, and that innovation etc is making things better Jul 09 00:36:44 tmo has it? Jul 09 00:36:45 yeah, forget that Jul 09 00:36:45 but yet the plans just keep getting more expensive.... Jul 09 00:36:50 PatrickC: it does Jul 09 00:36:55 tmo has a tiered data plan Jul 09 00:37:08 a Tier of full "4"/3g speeds, that drops down after you use your tier up Jul 09 00:38:05 according to netstat, while I've had my pre2, I've used 489mb/330mb/189mb and 85mb so far this month Jul 09 00:38:08 arg.. funkatron: ping Jul 09 00:38:13 spaz doesn't like me Jul 09 00:39:36 in May, I used more than 3GB Jul 09 00:40:07 but I stream music, currently Jul 09 00:40:11 * dwc- has unlimited data ... too bad it's EDGE Jul 09 00:40:32 * dwc- bbl Jul 09 00:40:37 PatrickC: yes? Jul 09 00:42:44 funkatron: spaz keeps erroring out and not refreshing Jul 09 00:42:49 okay Jul 09 00:43:06 which version, any error messages, etc Jul 09 00:43:19 2.0.15 Jul 09 00:43:28 and the first actual error msg just came up Jul 09 00:43:30 timestamp Jul 09 00:43:44 that doesn't mean anything to me Jul 09 00:43:48 "timestamp" Jul 09 00:44:01 imagine you're me. Jul 09 00:44:07 timestamp out of date iirc Jul 09 00:44:10 I need to know *exactly* what you are seeing. Jul 09 00:44:31 the time on my device was off by 5x minutes Jul 09 00:44:35 it broke spaz Jul 09 00:44:41 fixed time, fixed spaz Jul 09 00:44:45 yep. Jul 09 00:45:48 oauth v1 signatures are based on a timestamp. if the time between the client and server are too different, the server will invalidate the signature Jul 09 00:48:41 PatrickC, OMG I found the problem and it is ***evil*** Jul 09 00:48:49 OMFG Jul 09 00:48:59 zylogz80: what was it? lol Jul 09 00:49:00 OMGOMG Jul 09 00:49:07 missing : ; , Jul 09 00:51:04 PatrickC, no - waaaaay worse than that. when you are SETTING the keys in the SystemService call method you do it like this.$.myService.call({keys: [ "blah"]}); but when you are GETTING the keys you do it like this this.$.myService.call({keys: {"blah"}}); Jul 09 00:51:20 PatrickC, the square braces need to be turned into curly braces Jul 09 00:51:28 lol Jul 09 00:51:34 whoever designed ^ is getting coal in his or her stocking Jul 09 00:52:19 got get and set mixed up but the syntax is right Jul 09 00:52:25 * PatrickC will probably get a phone from the Evo lineup Jul 09 00:52:57 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial/tutorial6.html <--- had to read that a whole mess of times before I caught it Jul 09 00:53:29 what are you trying to do? Jul 09 00:56:34 “We keep launching new handsets. Currently, Sprint announced these handsets with HP using their webOS® 2.0: Pre3, Veer, TouchPad tablet.” Jul 09 00:57:02 “We keep launching new handsets. Currently, Sprint announced these handsets with HP using their webOS® 2.0: Pre3, Veer, TouchPad tablet.” Jul 09 00:57:02 HP Palm Pre 3 is scheduled to be launched. However, we do not have any specific date that when it is going to be launched. Once it is launched, it will be updated on the website.” Jul 09 00:57:22 those things don't line up Jul 09 00:57:29 “Thank you for contacting Sprint.  I understand that you are interested in buying the HP Pre3 handset. Unfortunately, as of now, this handset model is not on offer. We are in the final stages of launching this phone and hope to introduce it very soon.  On Jul 09 00:57:29 ce it is launched, you will see promotional campaigns related to the launch date and the features of the handset on our Web site and other promotional media.” Jul 09 00:57:33 *final stages* Jul 09 00:57:47 yeah... I'll believe it when I see it Jul 09 00:57:52 yeah... Jul 09 00:57:54 same here Jul 09 00:58:06 http://m.precentral.net/sprint-get-pre-3-after-all-rumor-and-speculation :/ Jul 09 00:58:10 all a lie Jul 09 01:02:07 we don't know that until we know that Jul 09 01:02:24 but at this point, I'm assuming I should start looking at other carriers Jul 09 01:02:35 that's what i'm thinking Jul 09 02:38:42 any debian users in here? Jul 09 02:40:15 zylogz80: ping Jul 09 02:40:37 PatrickC, pong Jul 09 02:41:10 I approved you on the forums Jul 09 02:41:15 oil: ping! Jul 09 02:41:22 PatrickC, cool thx Jul 09 02:41:31 np Jul 09 02:41:38 arg.. stupid wirc Jul 09 02:43:28 PuffTheMagic, oil: http://goaruna.com/s/yWGrqE7N Jul 09 02:52:55 I use debian ... why? Jul 09 02:56:07 dwc-: does the CD image have a gui? Jul 09 02:56:28 the installer cd? the livecd? Jul 09 02:56:39 the cd download Jul 09 02:56:44 that's what it was called Jul 09 02:56:52 *which cd download Jul 09 02:56:55 cd1 cd2 cd3 etc. Jul 09 02:57:16 ... Jul 09 02:57:33 that sounds like the installer media Jul 09 02:57:40 1 second Jul 09 02:57:43 I'll get a link Jul 09 02:57:57 so the question is... do you mean a gui in the installer, or does it install a gui Jul 09 02:58:10 either/or Jul 09 02:58:17 I just want a gui in the end Jul 09 02:58:20 well, it's an important distinction Jul 09 02:58:37 lets go with install a gui Jul 09 02:58:51 I believe so, but I never use the gui installer methods anyways Jul 09 02:58:59 http://www.debian.org/CD/ Jul 09 02:59:15 if you just want a gui at the end, I don't remember whether it's on the first cd or the second Jul 09 02:59:19 PatrickC, when you install make sure you select GNOME or KDE desktop environment Jul 09 02:59:21 because you can install it off the network anyways Jul 09 02:59:29 GNOME is on the first cd Jul 09 02:59:41 thanks all Jul 09 02:59:53 I'm gonna try netinstall **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 09 02:59:57 2011