**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 02:59:58 2011 Jul 10 03:00:04 yeah Jul 10 03:00:08 i know Jul 10 03:00:09 but Jul 10 03:00:10 i'm waiting Jul 10 03:00:14 til it's actually in Jul 10 03:00:17 lol Jul 10 03:00:23 ok.. Jul 10 03:00:29 which Jul 10 03:00:30 let me know when it starts ;) Jul 10 03:00:31 it will be Jul 10 03:00:34 very soon Jul 10 03:00:39 there's already Jul 10 03:00:48 440 ppl w/ the app Jul 10 03:00:55 wow Jul 10 03:01:04 fxspec06: once again, I say: "it's not a crime to post more than 6 words per line" Jul 10 03:01:15 lol Jul 10 03:01:17 brb Jul 10 03:01:32 * fxspec06 has issues Jul 10 03:01:37 lol Jul 10 03:01:43 it's Jul 10 03:01:44 okay Jul 10 03:01:46 we all Jul 10 03:01:47 have Jul 10 03:01:48 them. Jul 10 03:02:00 OKAY I GET IT NOW =) Jul 10 03:02:33 fxspec06: hah, it was a joke, not an insult :) Jul 10 03:03:25 lol Jul 10 03:03:37 well it's true. i do hijack the channel sometimes Jul 10 03:03:56 no worries mate Jul 10 03:04:00 night everyone Jul 10 03:04:13 night tib Jul 10 03:05:57 night Tibfib_ Jul 10 03:10:33 haeffb: sure Jul 10 03:10:55 haeffb: now that i have the emulator working i may even play with your source code Jul 10 03:10:55 http://smallpondapps.com/wp-content/uploads/ipk/ Jul 10 03:10:59 heh Jul 10 03:11:40 play with it to your heart's content, but be forwarned, the code is a cobbled-together convoluted mess Jul 10 03:11:48 lol Jul 10 03:11:53 i assume you mean the notes Jul 10 03:12:01 i already have a "1.1" you gave me last week Jul 10 03:12:03 is this one different? Jul 10 03:12:25 ah yes it is Jul 10 03:14:06 hrm. anyone got an ssh client for 3.0/ Jul 10 03:14:27 ssh client yet Jul 10 03:14:28 terminal no Jul 10 03:14:49 makes it hard to use from the UI :) Jul 10 03:15:44 incredible Jul 10 03:27:09 it includes the ability to display markdown Jul 10 03:27:27 oh...but be careful - it auto-syncs every minute!!!! Jul 10 03:27:40 let me put a new version out there... :) Jul 10 03:28:51 cxreg: there, try again. Jul 10 03:31:02 yeah, why hasn't someone created an awesome SSH client which can do full vt102 terminal emulation and can do full key-based authentication, as an enyo app with a node.js service backend! Jul 10 03:34:10 rwhitby: only if it includes poniez.js Jul 10 03:36:33 every other platform has one of those, why not webOS ? Jul 10 03:37:04 verizon had a booth at the "dragon festival" street fair in seattle today Jul 10 03:37:09 not a single sign of webos Jul 10 03:37:14 i cried Jul 10 03:47:41 haeffb: Showdown eh? Jul 10 03:47:47 yep Jul 10 03:48:15 good deal Jul 10 03:48:18 installing Jul 10 03:48:39 it works for the stuff I've tried: headers, ul, ol, bold, em Jul 10 03:49:56 * haeffb has seen Russel Brand and Manny Pacquiao commercials tonight Jul 10 03:54:44 anybody know how to make a set a virtuallist to move back to the top of its scroller? Jul 10 04:01:01 .punt() ? Jul 10 04:01:22 new inkscape-based logo vs old gimp-based logo: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/screenshot2cn.png/ Jul 10 04:02:16 yeah. tried that it also resets the size. i'm looking for something that just does the scroller if possible Jul 10 04:06:26 @haeffb tried out your toodledo app on a touchpad. works pretty good. don't know if it's your app or enyo but the date selector just keeps scrolling if you start it scrolling Jul 10 04:06:55 Done! ? Jul 10 04:07:03 yeah Jul 10 04:07:15 interesting. Jul 10 04:08:14 yep, sure does. Jul 10 04:08:56 otherwise I liked it. (except for the fact that on that screen size - that's one huge list :) Jul 10 04:09:01 * haeffb watches to see how far back it goes Jul 10 04:09:11 do more stuff...makes your list shorter Jul 10 04:09:24 lol Jul 10 04:09:51 that looks like an HP error. It's just a standard date picker control. Jul 10 04:09:59 but in a dialog... ? Jul 10 04:10:25 that's what I figured... Jul 10 04:11:44 though I have some in my apps in popups that don't do that Jul 10 04:12:09 I'll have a look Jul 10 04:13:42 I have a listener on the propertyChange event on the date picker. May be interfering with some default action Jul 10 04:13:52 sugardave! how was vacation? Jul 10 04:14:10 oh god the horror! Jul 10 04:14:32 and did you hear HP went bankrupt while you were gone? Jul 10 04:16:02 haeffb: vacation was awesome...and I know better because only good things happen while I'm gone Jul 10 04:16:37 howdy folks Jul 10 04:17:04 rode ATVs over Cumberland Pass a couple of times, Wuanita Pass to Black Sage Pass Jul 10 04:17:08 awesome temperatures Jul 10 04:17:23 now it's back to the oppressinve heat Jul 10 04:17:37 sugardave awesome, did you bring us all gifts? Jul 10 04:17:50 like key chains? Jul 10 04:18:01 I tried to bring back some cool air, but I lost that in Raton, NM Jul 10 04:18:10 lol Jul 10 04:18:12 haeffb: well, the db filename screwup happened again Jul 10 04:18:17 0000000000000005.db -> 0000000000000006.db Jul 10 04:18:23 fantastic! Jul 10 04:18:44 sugardave: please fix SQLite databases in webOS 3.0. Thanks! Jul 10 04:19:12 you see, I don't think that's written in javascript Jul 10 04:19:27 much less Enyo or Mojo :D Jul 10 04:19:29 ah, a specialist, eh? Jul 10 04:19:29 sugardave: i do not dislike enyo anymore, everyone here has helped me greatly! Jul 10 04:19:32 how do i enable markdown? Jul 10 04:19:43 hit the "i" icon Jul 10 04:19:51 hm Jul 10 04:19:54 there will be instructions later Jul 10 04:19:56 LoneStar99: awesome, it is fun Jul 10 04:19:58 maybe i didnt successfully install the new version Jul 10 04:20:11 no "i" icon in the note toolbar? Jul 10 04:20:13 no Jul 10 04:20:15 trying again Jul 10 04:21:15 could be that it wouldn't install since it was the same version Jul 10 04:21:18 ill remove/install Jul 10 04:21:24 sugardave: without the hlep I would be lost Jul 10 04:22:02 oh, weird Jul 10 04:22:18 i go to do the uninstall in the ui and it says i still have 0.1.0 Jul 10 04:22:37 odd Jul 10 04:22:41 is wosqi lying to me? Jul 10 04:22:57 use palm-install ? Jul 10 04:23:05 what's up? Jul 10 04:23:42 now it seems stuck in an infinite pkill loop Jul 10 04:23:50 er, pgrep Jul 10 04:24:33 annoying Jul 10 04:24:36 ill try palm-install Jul 10 04:24:44 what happened cxreg Jul 10 04:24:48 * PatrickC reads backlog Jul 10 04:25:15 PatrickC: just trying to install pondnotes using wosqi Jul 10 04:25:18 palm-install worked Jul 10 04:25:23 lol Jul 10 04:25:49 can you not use that to install app catalog packages? Jul 10 04:26:15 * haeffb should rename the beta so it doesn't overwrite your app cat version. Jul 10 04:28:03 cxreg: you can also use Preware to install app catalog packages from email, web link or USB partition Jul 10 04:28:07 donno if you can control this but i hate fields that initial-capitalize emails Jul 10 04:28:45 and too many apps dont use the model that has the @ and the .com buttons Jul 10 04:28:49 yours does though Jul 10 04:28:54 hi patrick Jul 10 04:28:58 hey Jul 10 04:29:05 whats happenin Jul 10 04:29:12 haeffb: i dont seem to have the sync latency anymore Jul 10 04:29:16 did you fix it? Jul 10 04:29:24 what I miss? I was at couples wine night Jul 10 04:29:40 couples whine? Jul 10 04:30:01 cxreg: the email field was capitalized? Jul 10 04:30:12 in the account-add screen yah Jul 10 04:30:19 fxspec06: nm Jul 10 04:30:25 I have made some improvements in the sync routines... Jul 10 04:30:39 "fixed" may be too strong a term, though. Jul 10 04:30:45 haeffb: well, it was way faster getting started but now it's hanging during the actual download Jul 10 04:30:53 ill try the screen trick Jul 10 04:30:56 no wait Jul 10 04:30:59 its done Jul 10 04:31:00 no no. wine. like as in fancy people stuff. Lol Jul 10 04:31:02 took a while though Jul 10 04:31:33 cxreg: it has to pull each note from the server, one at a time. There's no other way to handle it with Simplenote. Jul 10 04:31:39 cxreg: oh, how do you do the @ and .com thing? Jul 10 04:31:46 haeffb: it took like 3 minutes to get 24 notes Jul 10 04:31:47 nice Jul 10 04:31:47 is that normal? Jul 10 04:31:52 hows the app coming PatrickC Jul 10 04:31:57 I'd say no, unless you are on dialup Jul 10 04:31:58 fixing it now :) Jul 10 04:32:11 fxspec06: what's the appid? Jul 10 04:32:32 rwhitby: {name: "emailInput", kind: "Input", inputType: "email", Jul 10 04:32:37 com.fxspec06 Jul 10 04:32:48 or just com.fxspec Jul 10 04:33:13 haeffb: ah, sorry, I was wondering how to do it in Mojo (for Impostah) Jul 10 04:34:48 oh, good question Jul 10 04:35:44 whatfield: removing the listener on the datepicker does not change the behavior... :( Jul 10 04:36:19 haeffb: !!!!!! Jul 10 04:36:22 haeffb++ Jul 10 04:36:26 it looks fabulous Jul 10 04:36:39 nice, eh? Jul 10 04:37:02 hrm. i donno if the actually work though Jul 10 04:37:13 @haeffb hmmm... maybe a mojo emulation issue? Jul 10 04:37:14 they're blue and underlined, but ineffectual Jul 10 04:37:21 yeah, that's a problem still Jul 10 04:37:34 any idea? Jul 10 04:37:44 is that an enyo issue? Jul 10 04:37:45 not yet, haven't gotten that far down the list yet Jul 10 04:37:52 hm ok Jul 10 04:37:53 com.fxspec Jul 10 04:37:57 Patrick Jul 10 04:38:05 yo Jul 10 04:38:08 oh ok Jul 10 04:38:10 it was com.fxspec06, but i had to change because it was the beta Jul 10 04:38:12 it'll be fixed before release though Jul 10 04:38:55 cxreg: I've actually had sporadic success with them, if I keep tap/hold/tap tap tap/hold... Jul 10 04:39:05 ...sometimes they work. :( Jul 10 04:39:48 you could have made it -beta at the end :) Jul 10 04:40:10 haeffb: lol, sporadic? Jul 10 04:40:14 not working for me Jul 10 04:40:40 may have been the ones in the non-markdown notes Jul 10 04:40:47 put a link in a regular note and hit View Jul 10 04:41:07 yeah but that was wayyy before i even thought it would be anything more than nothing. Jul 10 04:41:08 oh hey Jul 10 04:41:11 is that a copy button? Jul 10 04:41:12 or don't, you'll just get frustrated Jul 10 04:41:20 no, it's a timestamp Jul 10 04:41:24 hm Jul 10 04:41:29 omg touchpad Jul 10 04:41:29 well it appeared to make a copy Jul 10 04:41:31 rofl Jul 10 04:42:07 fxspec06: I fixed the file Jul 10 04:42:38 I just have to luna-boot to make it stick ;) Jul 10 04:42:51 lol Jul 10 04:42:52 okay Jul 10 04:43:24 actually Jul 10 04:43:25 sorry i didnt send fixed one. really working hard on getting this chat thing done. which i've got sort of kind of working but not really yet. like 68% there Jul 10 04:43:30 doesn't look like I have to Jul 10 04:44:00 nope Jul 10 04:44:09 nice app :) all js or c++? Jul 10 04:44:37 all js Jul 10 04:44:55 haeffb: now that the notes are installed and im using it, the sync thing is happening again :( Jul 10 04:44:57 ty =) Jul 10 04:44:57 wow!! Jul 10 04:45:04 same behavior, i turn the screen off and it works Jul 10 04:45:13 fxspec06: umm.. this is pretty good for all js ;) Jul 10 04:45:18 tyvm Jul 10 04:45:26 * PatrickC thinks it should get a *much* bigger beta group Jul 10 04:45:32 this is goin places :) Jul 10 04:45:36 what did you make? Jul 10 04:45:39 * fxspec06 thinks it will sell a bajillion copies at .99c Jul 10 04:45:52 fxspec06: make a lite version. and a .99 version Jul 10 04:45:58 cxreg: Wild'n Poker Jul 10 04:46:06 Video Poker* Jul 10 04:46:09 cxreg: that's not good Jul 10 04:46:41 but your experience seems unusual. I can't explain why it would take 3 minutes for 24 notes. Jul 10 04:46:48 k gtg make chat work Jul 10 04:46:50 bb in a bit Jul 10 04:46:51 PatrickC: nice Jul 10 04:46:53 I can do 200 in about a minute Jul 10 04:48:28 * haeffb hates having to reboot every time I go to USB mode Jul 10 04:49:34 current screenshot of pondNotes: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/tiger-country-software/58592d1310272799-noted-pondnotes_2011-09-07_233528.png Jul 10 04:50:00 cxreg: what do you think of using the radio buttons for View/Edit ? Jul 10 04:50:10 a big X? Jul 10 04:50:16 that's what it shows me Jul 10 04:50:54 the link seems to be broke.. Jul 10 04:51:13 try this: http://forums.precentral.net/tiger-country-software/258273-noted-9.html#post3014939 Jul 10 04:51:44 it's the second thumbnail Jul 10 04:52:32 * haeffb logs in to personal Simplenote account... Jul 10 04:52:41 hits "sync" Jul 10 04:52:42 nice Jul 10 04:52:50 retrieving 200 notes... Jul 10 04:53:29 the blue bar is reluctantly marching across the screen... Jul 10 04:53:31 finished. Jul 10 04:54:29 * PatrickC needs to learn how to make login stuff Jul 10 04:55:31 haeffb: did you make simplenote? Jul 10 04:55:39 no, I did not Jul 10 04:55:47 I just use their API Jul 10 04:56:10 ah Jul 10 04:57:12 morning all Jul 10 04:58:03 morning Jul 10 05:00:30 ssh into the pad is VERY laggy Jul 10 05:00:39 novaterm is totally responsive Jul 10 05:03:15 i wonder if that's related to the weird latency i get in pondnotes too Jul 10 05:03:52 morning thehodge Jul 10 05:03:54 3.0.2?? \o/ Jul 10 05:04:18 every time SoftwareManager tells me I have an app update, I hope it's Kindle Jul 10 05:04:24 cxreg: umm.. what? Jul 10 05:04:35 or the MovieStore Jul 10 05:05:35 everyone I get an email, I hope its palm with my coupon Jul 10 05:05:54 man.. ##javascript is busy lol Jul 10 05:06:09 haeffb: oh and the tag-width fix is working, thanks for that too Jul 10 05:06:20 turning into quite a nice app Jul 10 05:06:49 it is kinda funny how javascript was dead, but now it is more important than C++ Jul 10 05:06:52 I'm off to bed.. Jul 10 05:06:59 night all Jul 10 05:07:00 Gn PatrickC Jul 10 05:07:17 I'll find out how to give my users the ability to create a user, and have a profile that saves their stuff Jul 10 05:07:21 LoneStar99: that was all google Jul 10 05:07:22 tomorrow :) Jul 10 05:07:37 later patrick Jul 10 05:07:37 cxreg: thanks Jul 10 05:07:41 cya Jul 10 05:07:54 i find it hilarious that the most-used html engine is from khtml Jul 10 05:07:55 cxreg: I think it was all WebOS Jul 10 05:08:10 never saw that coming Jul 10 05:08:50 apple were dicks about that whole thing, but it turned out ok i guess Jul 10 05:08:51 google was java Jul 10 05:08:55 LoneStar99: what? Jul 10 05:08:57 no Jul 10 05:09:08 chrome was the thing that made js go fast Jul 10 05:09:11 then everyone copie dthem Jul 10 05:09:44 they were the first ones with tracing, jit, etc Jul 10 05:10:09 cxreg: yes on a browser, but they did not see the potential of a operating system Jul 10 05:10:31 ehm, netscape people saw that in 1997 Jul 10 05:10:37 they just couldnt make it work Jul 10 05:10:38 :) Jul 10 05:11:07 and one might say that webos ripped off mozilla (xul) Jul 10 05:11:11 but that's ok, it's a good idea Jul 10 05:11:27 i disagree Jul 10 05:11:58 ok? xul was the first system to use web technology as a generic app platform, and they did it 10 years ago Jul 10 05:12:00 javascript grew on its own, and now everyone wants to own it Jul 10 05:12:19 you're precious :p Jul 10 05:12:23 i need to put the kid to bed Jul 10 05:12:24 brb Jul 10 05:12:30 k Jul 10 05:13:01 most-used html engine is from khtml? not triton? Jul 10 05:13:24 javascript was a product of netscape, but today javascript is very strong Jul 10 05:14:21 haeffb: just watched the 8 ball tutorial Jul 10 05:14:24 seems easy Jul 10 05:14:35 I made my wife do it earlier Jul 10 05:14:44 lol Jul 10 05:15:08 did it look good? Jul 10 05:15:15 make the 8 ball, that is. Jul 10 05:15:22 yea, she did great. Jul 10 05:15:26 awesome Jul 10 05:15:31 I'll try it tomorrow Jul 10 05:15:38 and then try and make my icon.. Jul 10 05:15:44 * haeffb trying to get her to quit wasting time on Farmville and do something productive Jul 10 05:15:48 shouldn't be too hard.. Jul 10 05:15:52 haha Jul 10 05:16:04 although, making pool balls probably isn't much more productive than Farmville Jul 10 05:16:08 well. now I'm really off to bed Jul 10 05:16:17 she's learning something :) Jul 10 05:20:35 i thought you went to bed patrick Jul 10 05:20:41 I did Jul 10 05:20:46 I'm sleep irc'ing Jul 10 05:20:47 :P Jul 10 05:20:56 fxspec06: check the forum plz ;) Jul 10 05:21:05 now I'm really off to bed :P Jul 10 05:21:07 lol Jul 10 05:21:08 phone is dead Jul 10 05:21:14 ahh i almost got chat working too Jul 10 05:21:18 kbye Jul 10 05:21:25 awesome! Jul 10 05:21:28 cyq Jul 10 05:21:32 cya* Jul 10 05:22:14 i did it Jul 10 05:22:16 chat's working Jul 10 05:22:18 bye patrick Jul 10 05:22:20 lol Jul 10 05:22:23 yeah! Jul 10 05:22:27 send me the ipk ;) Jul 10 05:23:00 actually i lied Jul 10 05:23:16 what's the palm equivalent of an iOS webview? - HtmlContent? Jul 10 05:23:33 fxspec06: LIER! Jul 10 05:23:54 * PatrickC goes to bed Jul 10 05:23:54 (in an enyo app that is) Jul 10 05:24:02 enyo.review iirc Jul 10 05:24:08 ta Jul 10 05:27:16 all I know is that i found something in canvas that is not a drawing Jul 10 05:27:45 it can be used for something else Jul 10 05:28:30 something simple Jul 10 05:29:05 but not so simple unless u know Jul 10 05:29:23 ace, enyo.BasicWebView doesn't scroll. Just what I need. Jul 10 05:32:09 sometimes things happen by accident, it will work for sure Jul 10 05:48:20 i think the increase-touch-sensitivity-and-smoothness patch made tapping harder Jul 10 05:48:39 a noticable percentage of taps seem to be misread as scrolls now Jul 10 05:48:49 i have to do a much more deliberate tapping motion Jul 10 06:06:02 [reading the forums] what is "the sqlite bug"? Jul 10 06:09:07 hello Jul 10 06:11:20 hellooo Jul 10 06:12:27 using wirc. wow Jul 10 06:14:26 crazy Jul 10 06:14:54 yup Jul 10 06:34:02 * fxspec06 gottssa da chat worken mon Jul 10 06:49:35 played with the contacts app today quite a bit, got rather annoyed at it Jul 10 06:50:12 on the pad, that is Jul 10 06:51:17 a few random annoyances: if you hit the [n profile] select it frequently does nothing until you hit it 2 more times. if a contact has no name but an email address, the email is what shows up in the contact list but you can not search for it Jul 10 06:51:34 made merging contacts take about 4x longer than it should have :p Jul 10 06:54:07 ah, let me clarify. the drop-down issue only happens when you open a contact using search Jul 10 06:54:11 not if you browse to it Jul 10 06:55:31 is there somewhere to report this kind of thing? Jul 10 07:16:55 i know you can allow a click to propagate up, but is there a way to pass another variable along with it? Jul 10 07:17:15 (use a published property?) Jul 10 10:03:01 does webOS 3 expose any API to install printers, for example for creating PDFs? Jul 10 10:04:48 oO. on webos 2.1 emu nested exception handlers don't work (-> terminate, SIGABRT)... Jul 10 10:13:03 morning Jul 10 11:23:10 swisstomcat, here's something for your hackathon: a PDF printer for the TouchPad Jul 10 11:23:11 :-D Jul 10 11:27:50 hmm? Jul 10 11:33:48 you're on a hackathon, right? Jul 10 11:40:30 swisstomcat, you here? Jul 10 12:32:41 draecos: yeah Jul 10 12:42:13 sorry for going off on one Jul 10 12:48:37 hey, swisstomcat, how's the whole being swiss and a tomcat thing going? Jul 10 12:50:29 * PatrickC yawns Jul 10 12:50:48 morning Jul 10 12:51:18 haeffb: pretty good still :) Jul 10 12:51:34 nice. Jul 10 13:05:08 ahh.. ##javascript is Much more helpful this morning Jul 10 13:12:39 * PatrickC wishes concrete5 was a 1 click install.. Jul 10 13:33:49 If I've got a service with an assistant, how can I load additional JS files to have their contents available to the assistant? Jul 10 13:33:58 shoving them in sources.json doesn't seem to do the tric Jul 10 13:33:59 *trick Jul 10 13:34:55 Caius, Mojo? Jul 10 13:35:13 it's an enyo app, service is using node Jul 10 13:35:31 ah, a service Jul 10 13:35:43 Ah, if I put the assistant last in sources.json it does the trick by the looks of it Jul 10 13:35:53 yeah, that could be it Jul 10 13:43:54 morning Jul 10 13:47:40 * Caius feels things dropping into place Jul 10 14:58:35 okay so quick question Jul 10 14:58:44 who here knows how to open a scene in a new card. in mojo. Jul 10 15:00:22 you need a new stage Jul 10 15:00:35 for which you need a multi-stage app Jul 10 15:00:42 hmm.. Jul 10 15:00:50 with app-assistant and all that comes with it. Jul 10 15:01:04 so, it's a quick question, but not a quick solution Jul 10 15:01:18 that's fine though Jul 10 15:01:27 because that sounds like it's just what i want Jul 10 15:01:58 b/c i got chat working last night. so i'll have one card that will be open w/ like 'online portal' Jul 10 15:01:59 there's a multi-stage example (using dashboards) on http://webos101.com Jul 10 15:02:10 and the other can be the game itself. Jul 10 15:02:11 thanks Jul 10 15:38:55 my HtmlContent control doesn't like me. Jul 10 15:50:16 my stage assistant doesn't like me Jul 10 15:53:41 i guess it has to be 'AppAssistant' and not 'XXXAssistant'.. Jul 10 15:57:51 new beta of pondNotes is available here: http://smallpondapps.com/wp-content/uploads/ipk/ Seems pretty f'in awesome, but then everyone thinks their own baby is cute. Jul 10 16:05:04 * fxspec06 crosses fingers Jul 10 16:09:18 where is that new "available in the app catalog" icon that I saw a few days ago...? Jul 10 16:14:23 hmm idk but it's so cool Jul 10 16:15:00 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/made-for-hp-webos-icon-emerges/ Jul 10 16:15:23 there's the WOR story, but has HP made it available? Jul 10 16:15:32 how do i recieve the aruments from the app assistant in my first scene... or... how do i push the first scene from app assistant setup Jul 10 16:15:43