**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 11 02:59:56 2011 Jul 11 03:21:19 Has anyone ever the "Messages can no longer be sent or received in this conversation" message in the Messaging app? How do you get rid of it? Jul 11 03:23:22 nope ... is your message database full? Jul 11 03:23:53 Dunno, i really doubt it , i dont text that much Jul 11 03:25:08 i have a month or more of daily back & forth banter in my sms history w/some of my contacts - hoping to not suddenly see such a message one day Jul 11 03:25:57 but would be nice to archive old sms history to a searchable database and/or export to an archive file Jul 11 03:26:12 because the message history scroller is getting laggy Jul 11 03:27:05 it's to the point where scrolling to the start of the message history to delete the oldest messages first is very painful Jul 11 03:28:17 lol, yeah this sucks ppl texting me, having to call back Jul 11 03:28:23 2 days now Jul 11 03:28:25 getting rediculous Jul 11 03:29:35 I don't think HP Play likes my Pre2 Jul 11 03:30:45 nm. Took an extra long time tho Jul 11 04:22:40 * PatrickC ealks in Jul 11 04:22:43 walks* Jul 11 04:27:36 hi Jul 11 04:32:57 hey fudge_ Jul 11 04:33:02 NuttyBunny: hey!! Jul 11 04:39:38 I said... "hey, what's comm100?" Jul 11 04:39:55 of course, I got disconnected :P Jul 11 04:40:16 lol Jul 11 04:40:24 its free, open source, support software Jul 11 04:57:53 haha Jul 11 04:58:01 one of the facebook contest questions Jul 11 04:58:14 What OS does the TouchPad use? Jul 11 04:58:23 the correct answer was webOS 2.0 ... Jul 11 04:59:15 what? hahaha Jul 11 05:00:34 yah Jul 11 05:00:37 was the only webOS option Jul 11 05:01:52 wow Jul 11 05:02:03 dam: how's Ailium? are you gonna make enyo? Jul 11 05:02:19 its pdk so no enyo Jul 11 05:02:22 sooooooooooooooooooooo Jul 11 05:02:32 and i still aint touched it since over a month ago Jul 11 05:02:33 what/s the difference between virtualcarousel and carousel? Jul 11 05:02:49 lack of real motivation and been busy with other things Jul 11 05:02:49 from an overhead standpoint? Jul 11 05:03:37 * summatusmentis ponders PDK, using C might be easier than trying to learn enyo Jul 11 05:03:52 summatusmentis: Enyo is really easy Jul 11 05:04:10 bah Jul 11 05:04:15 except that I'm learning web dev stuff alongside it Jul 11 05:04:17 enyo would be way easier than c Jul 11 05:04:23 well, I know C Jul 11 05:04:24 :) Jul 11 05:04:40 well js has so much already built in Jul 11 05:04:46 enyo is just js Jul 11 05:05:32 * PatrickC yawns Jul 11 05:05:32 the syntax is foreign enough, and the interactions between components breaks in ways I don't understand easily Jul 11 05:05:37 im off to bed.. night Jul 11 05:05:43 if enyo can promise me that it will never (well, ok, i'll settle for seldom) wonder what the "this" keyword references in any context ... i'm sold. :D Jul 11 05:06:10 bartholemew: only way to know is to try ;) Jul 11 05:06:12 * PatrickC ducks Jul 11 05:06:43 * bartholemew wrinkles one eyebrow ;) Jul 11 05:06:56 lol Jul 11 05:07:09 stupid xchat Jul 11 05:07:19 if you want to take a look at enyo code, look at github or join my beta :) Jul 11 05:07:27 NuttyBunny: indeed, use a real client :) Jul 11 05:07:32 NuttyBunny: knows the beta link.. I'm off to bed Jul 11 05:07:38 NuttyBunny: use wIRC! Jul 11 05:07:45 * bartholemew advises folks not to laugh ... sometimes a wrinkled eyebrow can trigger deadly laser beams ;) Jul 11 05:07:48 enyo version of course ;) Jul 11 05:07:49 summatusmentis: to understand the quirks you can use Chrome and examine the elements at runtime :) Jul 11 05:07:52 or not Jul 11 05:08:20 do chrome dev tools give a log of all events that are being fired btw? Jul 11 05:08:32 hmm.. wIRC should have a desktop client.. oil_ :) Jul 11 05:08:39 night Jul 11 05:09:39 bartholemew: could be, I just use this.log("blah") all the time, and use breakpoints everywhere Jul 11 05:11:00 NuttyBunny: yeah, sort of :) that assumes you know how to understand what chrome is telling you Jul 11 05:11:29 sometimes it's nice to know what are all events being fired ... e.g. 1) are there events i should be responding to ... 2) are there extraneous events going off that i can prevent Jul 11 05:13:17 summatusmentis: true, but you might as well do the tutorials and look around, it's not really that hard. The syntax is standard js, and it's in certain ways similar to C and friends Jul 11 05:13:36 bartholemew: yep, it should be nice .. Jul 11 05:14:44 syntactic similarities to C & Java are seductive "reasons" for folks to not sit down and learn JS properly per Crockford Jul 11 05:15:40 crockford vids on yahoo recommended viewing for C/Java folks not wanting to get bit in the @~~ by JS quirks Jul 11 05:16:33 type coercion oddities, automatic semicolon insertion .. etc .. plenty to be wary of Jul 11 05:17:10 NuttyBunny: oh clearly, and I've been trying Jul 11 05:17:17 arg... anyone know how to change which radio option is the default for an enyo.RadioGroup? Jul 11 05:18:30 i tried passing one of the radio items the 'isDefault: true' property, and also tried passing 'isDefault: 2' (as in index #2, the third button) but neither works Jul 11 05:18:35 'night all Jul 11 05:26:21 examancer: StyleMatters app :P use "value" Jul 11 05:26:29 "value":"2" Jul 11 05:29:09 thanks Jul 11 05:29:23 phanks Jul 11 05:31:08 thanks NB Jul 11 05:55:48 hey there? Jul 11 05:55:59 is there any way i can play a caf file using enyo ? Jul 11 10:15:50 Hi there Jul 11 10:49:12 Hey up, can someone let me know if there is a upper limit for package size on enyo? Jul 11 10:49:40 I cant find anything in the documentation, though am sure I am just missing it! as the emulator appears to have a ~80MB limit Jul 11 13:22:15 hello i have just tried to add info into depot database Jul 11 13:22:24 but gettn error Jul 11 13:22:39 http://pastie.org/2196553 Jul 11 13:22:50 this is the code..any help? Jul 11 13:23:39 i am getting blank white screen.. Jul 11 13:23:55 i think my first scene is not gettin pushed Jul 11 13:25:31 can any1 tellme what is the error coming? Jul 11 13:39:04 morning folks Jul 11 13:39:23 hey there Jul 11 13:40:12 need a lil help playing audio here.. Jul 11 13:41:41 naughty_david: what seems to be the problem? Jul 11 13:43:29 I'm trying to ply some audio simultaneously in enyo, but have some serious timing problems.. Jul 11 13:44:10 when playing multiple files.. Its skipping.. Although I'm using different controls to play it Jul 11 13:46:30 are you using the emulator or testing on actual device? Jul 11 13:48:39 I'm using the device Jul 11 13:50:29 hmm... what type of files are they, are they located on the device or streaming? Jul 11 13:53:06 they are local files.. Jul 11 13:53:10 and of type wav Jul 11 13:59:49 LoneStar99 ? Jul 11 14:00:37 naughty_david: sorry was out doing something, hmm... have you tried an mp3 file? Jul 11 14:00:53 yes Jul 11 14:01:06 its the same situation. Jul 11 14:01:58 i saw a plugin saying it will help .. bt . didnt :( Jul 11 14:02:20 hmmm... trying to think, Jul 11 14:02:34 this one was put to the test http://drpl.it/ZsK Jul 11 14:02:55 LoneStar99 dont try.. please thing :) Jul 11 14:03:50 lol Jul 11 14:07:39 greetings #webos Jul 11 14:08:01 have you tried the audio tag? like embed the following in your html file --> '' Jul 11 14:08:14 and see if you get a good playback Jul 11 14:08:20 howdy haeffb-pre Jul 11 14:08:25 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 11 14:08:46 yes Jul 11 14:09:00 that is what i tried first Jul 11 14:09:12 cos i wanted to make sure the audio was getting loaded. Jul 11 14:09:18 how did that sound? Jul 11 14:09:30 that was even worse.. Jul 11 14:10:48 LoneStar: enyo audio or mojo? Jul 11 14:11:25 enyo audio Jul 11 14:12:42 I have an example if needed Jul 11 14:12:48 I use it in my app Jul 11 14:12:54 ok Jul 11 14:13:01 let me get it Jul 11 14:13:08 right on PatrickC Jul 11 14:13:10 ok Jul 11 14:14:59 i've commented the related lines Jul 11 14:15:01 http://pastebin.com/uWvUgrbn Jul 11 14:15:39 naughty_david: you can join my beta for this, and see how I use the code further if you want Jul 11 14:15:45 I open source the app. Jul 11 14:15:58 Thanks a lot Jul 11 14:16:09 np Jul 11 14:17:46 PatrickC: i had used the same method, Jul 11 14:17:56 and it didn't work? Jul 11 14:18:01 i was trying to make a metronome.. Jul 11 14:18:10 so it has to play the audio on time.. Jul 11 14:18:49 download the audio file. and include it with the app Jul 11 14:18:55 it is.. Jul 11 14:19:06 its part of the app Jul 11 14:19:22 the problem is.. each time i do a play() . there is a delay in playing it.. Jul 11 14:19:29 then make the src link like src: "../audio/soundfile.mp3", Jul 11 14:19:30 ie when the actual time comes out Jul 11 14:19:38 hmm.. Jul 11 14:19:39 yes yes Jul 11 14:19:44 you have the ipk handy? Jul 11 14:20:27 its kinda huge Jul 11 14:20:50 if you could send it to me, that would help me debug it.. Jul 11 14:20:57 it shouldn't delay Jul 11 14:22:01 let me see Jul 11 14:22:17 ok. Jul 11 14:22:19 thx Jul 11 14:24:30 any suggestion on how i can get the ipk to u ? Jul 11 14:24:48 email Jul 11 14:24:58 patrickappcreator -at- gmail Jul 11 14:26:36 sent Jul 11 14:27:50 got it Jul 11 14:28:15 iSpazHD haha Jul 11 14:28:37 I'll have to look at it later Jul 11 14:28:42 ok Jul 11 14:28:51 it won't run on my pre (yes, I have enyo installed on my pre) Jul 11 14:28:59 I'll need to use a browser Jul 11 14:29:03 yes Jul 11 14:29:12 it works well on the browser Jul 11 14:29:17 breaks on the emu and the device Jul 11 14:29:18 ok. Jul 11 14:29:22 hmm.. Jul 11 14:29:28 what do the logs say? Jul 11 14:29:34 nothing Jul 11 14:29:40 really.. Jul 11 14:29:46 that's odd Jul 11 14:29:54 i dont think there is any error Jul 11 14:30:10 its that the audio tags are not responding quickly .. Jul 11 14:30:33 the html5 would respond much faster then launching the audio player.. Jul 11 14:30:47 does the sound play, and keep time *once its playing* ? Jul 11 14:30:59 no Jul 11 14:31:11 some times it doesnt plat at all Jul 11 14:31:23 and it works perfectly on the browser Jul 11 14:31:36 what file? Jul 11 14:31:54 the bell or tick? Jul 11 14:32:48 none Jul 11 14:33:15 it seems that wav files are not working properly for me Jul 11 14:33:34 but mp3 work good.. I would try converting them all to mp3 if needed Jul 11 14:33:43 ok Jul 11 14:33:48 brb Jul 11 14:34:01 ok. same here Jul 11 14:34:04 brr Jul 11 14:34:07 brb* Jul 11 14:38:55 PatrickC: get ready to get slammed with spam... Jul 11 14:39:04 why? lol Jul 11 14:39:20 i have my spambot ready lol, jk Jul 11 14:39:28 hahaha Jul 11 14:39:49 ok im back Jul 11 14:40:06 * PatrickC wishes he lived in FL still Jul 11 14:41:59 where do u live now? Jul 11 14:42:15 tennessee Jul 11 14:42:50 PatrickC: i have to leave now.. reply to that mail if you hit something .. thanks a lot guys.. :) Jul 11 14:42:56 see you later Jul 11 14:43:04 cya Jul 11 14:43:07 and will do Jul 11 14:43:41 someone has a 32gb tp on ebay for $200 Jul 11 14:43:58 free shipping too Jul 11 14:44:07 what is the link... probably a knock off Jul 11 14:44:19 nope. nib from staples Jul 11 14:44:30 but 4 days left.. the price will skyrocket lol Jul 11 14:44:53 so many sketchy sellers on ebay these days... buyers beware.... Jul 11 14:45:14 http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-TouchPad-32Gb-/120746210205 Jul 11 14:45:35 LoneStar99: you act like sketchy ebay sellers are a recent invention Jul 11 14:46:27 lol Jul 11 14:54:08 dcousineau: well it has gotten so much worse, used to buy original computer parts on ebay without a problem, now you need to scour all results to make sure you are not being sold a knock off. Jul 11 14:54:46 alot of sellers state OEM, which is total BS, they are cheap chinese knock off parts Jul 11 14:55:17 ebay == chinabay Jul 11 15:02:13 Anyone here with a TouchPad have lockup/spontaneous reboots? Jul 11 15:05:25 mines been spontaneously restarting luna when I visit some websites Jul 11 15:05:33 haven't spent the time trying to figure out why Jul 11 15:06:15 Mine seems to lock up randomly after several orientation changes Jul 11 15:06:25 I haven't found any other correlations though Jul 11 15:17:00 Anyone from Precentral here? I'm getting a 502. Jul 11 15:22:50 AtomicPlayboy: Same. Jul 11 15:23:14 I take that back: it locks up and spontaneously reboots whenever it feels like it. Jul 11 15:23:56 same Jul 11 15:24:03 I've found mine to restart only after I close a browser tab. Jul 11 15:24:11 Happened 3-4 times so far. Jul 11 15:24:23 Mine's restarted 4 times this morning, since I got to work Jul 11 15:24:28 Oh wow Jul 11 15:24:44 I doctored it last night; I'm not in dev mode nor have any homebrew/patches installed Jul 11 15:24:49 mine doesn't randomly restart at all Jul 11 15:24:50 I get about 1 restart every other day or so Jul 11 15:24:51 ever Jul 11 15:24:59 Think I might have bad hardware? Jul 11 15:25:00 and it's only after I close a browser card Jul 11 15:25:10 I don't know Jul 11 15:25:20 * halfhalo yawns Jul 11 15:25:23 PatrickC: last i knew, you don't have one? Jul 11 15:25:29 halfhalo: news on seekrit? Jul 11 15:25:31 nope, I don't :P Jul 11 15:25:41 so it never randmly reboots :P Jul 11 15:25:46 halfhalo: sekret! Jul 11 15:25:47 Gonna try shutting down and powering it from cold boot Jul 11 15:26:05 meh, still waiting to hear the final outcome, but super sekrit secret is palm internship Jul 11 15:26:10 The good news about the random restarts though is that it only takes like 15 seconds to come back to life Jul 11 15:26:14 halfhalo: neat :) Jul 11 15:26:28 halfhalo: for the rest of the summer? or a semester based on? Jul 11 15:26:29 twbbas: Yeah, it seems like it's only restarting the Luna inteface Jul 11 15:26:30 halfhalo: awesome!! Jul 11 15:26:31 interface Jul 11 15:26:33 It must only be doing a luna restart or something Jul 11 15:26:41 rest of the summer Jul 11 15:26:50 Luna locks up, forces unload and restart of Luna services Jul 11 15:27:00 halfhalo: Nice! Jul 11 15:27:01 AtomicPlayboy: that's what I've noticed too, luna restarts, not a complete rebot Jul 11 15:27:04 reboot* Jul 11 15:27:21 summatusmentis: Does it happen to you after you close a browser card? That's the only time it happens to me. Jul 11 15:27:33 and it rarely happens Jul 11 15:27:48 Alright, just came up from cold boot, gonna give it a while and see what happens Jul 11 15:27:56 twbbas: the only time I've had it happen is on loading certain webpages, it loads partway, then restarts Jul 11 15:28:10 summatusmentis: hmm Jul 11 15:28:23 the dd-wrt optware page, as an example Jul 11 15:28:49 Update on www.precentral.net: Now I'm getting "You don't have access here." Jul 11 15:28:55 That's http://www.precentral.net/ Jul 11 15:29:08 same Jul 11 15:29:13 forums work Jul 11 15:29:16 but not main website Jul 11 15:29:29 Wordpress update? Jul 11 15:29:31 Maybe? Jul 11 15:29:42 Big news about a webOS Toaster?!?!?! Jul 11 15:29:44 :D Jul 11 15:30:01 I want my webOS dishwasher, dammit. Jul 11 15:30:16 I want a webOS house. Swipe cards from wall-to-wall Jul 11 15:30:54 That's easy; couple machines running webOS with multi-display support hooked up to ceiling-mounted projectors Jul 11 15:31:09 and touchscreen walls Jul 11 15:32:49 I want a webOS CAR! Jul 11 15:32:49 Okay, it locked up again, this time I didn't do anything except hit the power button to bring it back :P Jul 11 15:32:54 This is getting a little ridiculous Jul 11 15:32:56 wow Jul 11 15:33:06 yeah, you must have something wrong with yours. Jul 11 15:33:07 I'm gonna try doctoring it again Jul 11 15:33:11 Yeah, probably Jul 11 15:33:13 Luck of the draw Jul 11 15:33:13 Probably a good idea Jul 11 15:33:19 No patches? Jul 11 15:33:35 precentral.net is back Jul 11 15:33:47 No, it's 100% stock as of yesterday Jul 11 15:33:56 I'm going to do a secure wipe and doctor Jul 11 15:34:02 contact palm? Jul 11 15:34:30 Ehhhh... Jul 11 15:35:08 I'd rather reach out to developers than tech support Jul 11 15:37:17 ^ Jul 11 15:37:58 palm? whats that Jul 11 15:38:10 bah Jul 11 15:38:29 lols Jul 11 15:38:32 cwayne: in the center of my hand Jul 11 15:42:00 I need customer support software.. suggestions? Jul 11 15:42:21 don't support! Jul 11 15:42:53 PatrickC: give a home address Jul 11 15:42:59 let them send you mail Jul 11 15:43:01 Tibfib: yeah... lol Jul 11 15:43:06 the mail will work Jul 11 15:43:22 I want something.. a little more professional? Jul 11 15:43:47 nothing is more professional than mail Jul 11 15:43:49 like live chat, forums, newsletters, email support tickets able to be answered by my support staff Jul 11 15:44:05 what spaz uses is nice Jul 11 15:44:09 you're 15, and you have support staff? Jul 11 15:44:19 damn Jul 11 15:44:26 I think as you get older, you lose support staff Jul 11 15:44:48 Loudergood: what do they use Jul 11 15:44:52 * halfhalo always goes redmine, but you have to be able to set it up :p Jul 11 15:44:54 summatusmentis: me and a friend lol Jul 11 15:44:58 I wonder how my parents would react if I referred to them as support staff Jul 11 15:45:00 PatrickC: why don't you try googling? Jul 11 15:45:13 summatusmentis: haha Jul 11 15:45:24 Tibfib: I am googling Jul 11 15:45:27 http://help.getspaz.com/ Jul 11 15:45:31 bottom left corner Jul 11 15:45:42 Powered By Tender (tm) Jul 11 15:45:55 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=spaz+support Jul 11 15:45:58 guys, are any of you using Mosaic on the TP? Jul 11 15:46:06 thx funkatron Jul 11 15:46:11 np! Jul 11 15:46:12 hahaahahahah Jul 11 15:46:27 been a while since i've seen a lmgtfy Jul 11 15:46:58 BTW funkatron, Spaz HD looks awesome. Jul 11 15:47:12 tender is a pay-for program.. don't have the resources to do that yet Jul 11 15:47:15 AtomicPlayboy: thanks! I bet the other guys in here who worked on it will be happy to hear that too Jul 11 15:47:16 dcousineau: almost as good as http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ Jul 11 15:47:39 PatrickC: if you sell shit, you gotta pay for shit. Jul 11 15:47:51 funkatron: my apps currently aren't selling good.. Jul 11 15:48:01 then don't buy anythign good Jul 11 15:48:04 then may I suggest you lower your expectations? Jul 11 15:48:06 ;) Jul 11 15:48:06 my new app hopefully will. but it isn't out of alpha yet Jul 11 15:48:10 lol.. Jul 11 15:48:21 that's why I'm looking for /free/ software :) Jul 11 15:49:01 at this point Jul 11 15:49:03 if you're not selling Jul 11 15:49:05 ther'es noone to support Jul 11 15:49:10 good point. Jul 11 15:49:14 ewww, logic Jul 11 15:49:15 so a free account or some shit on getsatisfaction should suffice Jul 11 15:49:22 or a phpbb forum Jul 11 15:49:27 can beta or alpha apps be sold via app cat? Jul 11 15:49:28 ew Jul 11 15:49:32 * halfhalo still votes redmine Jul 11 15:49:32 yes. GetSatisfaction sucks, but will be usable. Jul 11 15:49:35 funkatron: did I really just suggest a phpbb forum? Jul 11 15:49:42 dcousineau: I heard phpbb3 was okay Jul 11 15:49:50 like, not completely swiss cheese Jul 11 15:50:19 I mean, precentral.net gives away free forum space on there for support, if you're gonna do that Jul 11 15:51:02 funkatron: That's a good point Jul 11 15:51:14 PatrickC: you should go for precentral.net dev forums Jul 11 15:51:31 I for one, would not register at a tiny support forum to ask a simple question Jul 11 15:51:32 Tibfib: I have that, and people email me more then they use those Jul 11 15:51:45 PatrickC: people will always email you Jul 11 15:51:52 yeah dude, I get emailed all the time Jul 11 15:51:53 I want live chat/email support tickets for my staff Jul 11 15:52:03 PatrickC: forward your emails to your "staff" Jul 11 15:52:11 setup a bucket email Jul 11 15:52:13 create a new gmail account Jul 11 15:52:15 hahaha staff? Jul 11 15:52:17 add forwards Jul 11 15:52:20 support@patickchasbigdreams.com Jul 11 15:52:21 listserv ftw Jul 11 15:52:22 me and a friend Jul 11 15:52:23 yeah, just make a support email bro Jul 11 15:52:32 maybe a google groups account Jul 11 15:52:37 get some google apps in that shit and make groups and stuff Jul 11 15:52:37 then your 15yo lackey can respond Jul 11 15:52:40 Google Groups also ftw Jul 11 15:53:11 at this point your putting the cart before the horse Jul 11 15:53:17 counting your chickens before they've hatched Jul 11 15:53:18 funkatron: I think I've decided I really like the refresh indicator in the top bar Jul 11 15:53:27 umm what other phrases can I use here Jul 11 15:53:31 * Tibfib thinks Jul 11 15:53:46 Tibfib: me too. I've found that it's not always firing on all the columns tho Jul 11 15:54:00 funkatron: oh, can you give me specifics? Jul 11 15:54:13 some dude emailed me wanting a refund for some app i did not develop.. how about them apples... Jul 11 15:54:28 Tibfib: basically what i said. I haven't explored enough to replicate or sort out why Jul 11 15:54:35 LoneStar99: send him a picture of a spider and ask if thats enough of a refund Jul 11 15:54:55 I got asked by a palm employee to get access to the private beta of an app I don't make for his pre 3 Jul 11 15:55:08 nice Jul 11 15:55:19 I got a keyboard and a case for my TouchPad Jul 11 15:55:25 somebody called our app 'iSpazHD' Jul 11 15:55:30 funkatron: it was a twitter client too Jul 11 15:55:33 cwayne: yeah, some peeps are idiots Jul 11 15:55:34 sweeeet Jul 11 15:55:34 funkatron: heh, saw that Jul 11 15:56:13 so I emailed him Jul 11 15:56:19 the guy who wrote the article Jul 11 15:56:22 oh Jul 11 15:56:26 and he fixed (sorta) the title Jul 11 15:56:27 Do you guys have a ballpark as to when it will be in release? Jul 11 15:56:28 but not the body Jul 11 15:56:29 http://www.businessinsider.com/best-touchpad-apps-2011-7#spazhd-is-like-tweetdeck-for-touchpad-6 Jul 11 15:56:31 spaz HD taht is Jul 11 15:56:41 AtomicPlayboy: last I checked it was. Jul 11 15:57:03 maybe that depends on how you define "in release" Jul 11 15:57:06 funkatron: did he also test it on the new HP iPad? Jul 11 15:57:07 Well Jul 11 15:57:15 "Not Preview" I guess? Jul 11 15:57:15 LoneStar99: I think so Jul 11 15:57:27 anyone know if the music app on the touchpad requires all the music be at the top level of /media/internal? Jul 11 15:57:31 AtomicPlayboy: we are readying preview 2 Jul 11 15:57:38 Tibfib: gotcha Jul 11 15:57:39 we may or may not have a 3rd one Jul 11 15:57:39 AtomicPlayboy: that was kind of an arbitrary designation anyway Jul 11 15:57:41 summatusmentis: not sure, but I doubt it Jul 11 15:58:01 Will it be a pay app or free? Jul 11 15:58:03 funkatron went for the "longer titles are more impressive" approach to naming spaz hd Jul 11 15:58:07 AtomicPlayboy: free of course Jul 11 15:58:08 sugardave: the music app isn't showing any music files Jul 11 15:58:10 Ah Jul 11 15:58:14 summatusmentis: doh! Jul 11 15:58:17 but there are easily 10GB of music apps Jul 11 15:58:18 Silly question, really, I'd pay for it regardless :P Jul 11 15:58:23 s/apps/files/ Jul 11 15:58:27 AtomicPlayboy: I await your donation! Jul 11 15:58:35 let me get some music together Jul 11 15:58:37 all in a "music" dir in /media/internal Jul 11 15:58:38 Payday is two Fridays away :D Jul 11 15:58:39 +1 Jul 11 15:58:58 I dropped most of last Friday's paycheck on the TouchPad and bills Jul 11 15:59:09 sugardave: so either, something's borked on mine, or I'm doing it wrong Jul 11 15:59:19 Alright, the doctor says surgery was a success, let's see how long it goes between Luna resets now Jul 11 15:59:20 arg Jul 11 15:59:29 AtomicPlayboy: jealous Jul 11 15:59:43 I hate it when you didn't commit what you previously worked on, so you have no idea what changes you have made for the commit message Jul 11 15:59:47 mine are in a subdir of /media/internal and play fine Jul 11 15:59:48 u jelly? Jul 11 15:59:55 haeffb-pre: ugh, really? Jul 11 16:00:04 AtomicPlayboy: lols Jul 11 16:00:21 Argh Jul 11 16:00:25 sugardave: how's the case? Jul 11 16:00:30 Captive Portal networks can't be used for initial setup? Jul 11 16:00:32 Lame. Jul 11 16:01:00 haeffb-pre: it's alright....kind of hard to get it in there at first Jul 11 16:01:19 they keyboard is cool Jul 11 16:01:23 s/they/the/ Jul 11 16:08:22 I'm thinking the case would be useful just as a keyboarding stand Jul 11 16:11:09 summatusmentis: so, I made /media/internal/test and moved my test .mp3 into it. I had to restart the device to make the media indexer notice it had moved, but it is working Jul 11 16:12:41 chuqui: PM? Jul 11 16:13:03 ruhroh, its chuqui! Jul 11 16:13:32 howdee, all. Jul 11 16:13:56 Hey chuqui Jul 11 16:14:12 Quick, everybody spam him! Jul 11 16:14:42 chuqui: quick question about dev discount. PM? Jul 11 16:14:51 chuqui eats spam for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and all the snack times in between Jul 11 16:14:55 PatrickC: k Jul 11 16:15:10 chuqui needs to go poke hr along for me. Jul 11 16:16:22 oh god chuquis here, HIDE Jul 11 16:17:06 BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS I AM YOUR GOD AND YOUR DESTINY Jul 11 16:17:29 you got demoted? Jul 11 16:17:47 BTW chuqui, did my request about the wifi app changes go through? Jul 11 16:17:51 Loudergood: yeah, pretty much. didn't make quota Jul 11 16:18:16 AtomicPlayboy: not sure offhand. I have a bunch of email to go through. Spent much of thursday and friday in app review land. Jul 11 16:18:27 Cool Jul 11 16:18:34 AtomicPlayboy: and spent the weekend far away from HP/Palm email. Jul 11 16:18:38 AtomicPlayboy: mostly. Jul 11 16:18:44 Totally understandable Jul 11 16:18:56 No rush, but it would be REALLY nice to get my TouchPad and Veer on my company's wifi network :\ Jul 11 16:19:44 yeah... webos doesn't like my campus's wifi network either Jul 11 16:19:57 AtomicPlayboy: kk. Jul 11 16:19:58 chuqui: will you poke adam and tell him to respond to my email :) Jul 11 16:20:04 And thanks again for looking into it Jul 11 16:21:12 chuqui: please approve the Kindle and Netflix apps. thanks! Jul 11 16:21:38 Netflix?! Jul 11 16:21:46 * PatrickC wants a touchpad even more now! Jul 11 16:21:47 haeffb-pre: I definitely approve of having apps. Jul 11 16:21:57 * AtomicPlayboy snicker Jul 11 16:22:01 PatrickC: no, no netflix app available right now. he's wishing. Jul 11 16:22:13 aww Jul 11 16:22:26 * PatrickC kicks haeffb-pre for getting my hopes up Jul 11 16:22:39 Well, there is a Kindle app, it just doesn't do anything yet Jul 11 16:22:43 And there's always MyQ Jul 11 16:22:48 ... Jul 11 16:22:56 that doesn't let you watch vids, which is what people care about. Jul 11 16:23:19 yeah Jul 11 16:23:27 can you watch them in the browser? Jul 11 16:23:31 with flash? Jul 11 16:23:52 It's Silverlight, so no Jul 11 16:24:05 no, netfkix requires silverlight Jul 11 16:24:11 darn.. Jul 11 16:24:33 hello ianbeck Jul 11 16:24:36 I hope it's being worked on, but I'm not holding my breath Jul 11 16:25:20 Shalom haeffb-pre Jul 11 16:25:46 ianbeck: hey! Nice job on the mojo to enyo doc by the way Jul 11 16:25:59 * haeffb-pre will put my TouchPad on ebay and get an iPad if no Netflix.... Jul 11 16:26:17 mission-critical app :) Jul 11 16:26:20 Okay, this is getting stupid Jul 11 16:26:23 Tibfib: hope it was useful! Jul 11 16:26:37 I can't finish the TouchPad initial setup without a wifi connection, and I don't have any wifi networks to connect to Jul 11 16:26:56 ianbeck: It would have been more useful for me a few months ago when I was struggling. Alas, nda. Jul 11 16:27:09 ianbeck: would have been really useful two months ago.. :) Jul 11 16:27:10 It won't connect to my work wifi, it can't connect to my work's captive portal wifi, and for some reason even though it's connecting to my phone's hotspot it still isn't going through. Jul 11 16:27:22 Tibfib: Yeah, I wish I'd been able to publish it sooner Jul 11 16:27:26 ianbeck: but it'll be pretty dang helpful for others going forward Jul 11 16:27:40 AtomicPlayboy: freetether! Jul 11 16:27:50 halfhalo: "Initial setup" Jul 11 16:28:08 But anyway Jul 11 16:28:09 freetether on the veer, then connect the TP through that Jul 11 16:28:16 I'm using my Epic Jul 11 16:28:32 I have free unlimited data on my work phone; Veer is 200MB Jul 11 16:29:12 Is anyone else having problems with tethering via bluetooth to the TouchPad using freetether? Jul 11 16:29:15 then.... androidtether or whatever its called. I'm 99% sure that webos phones talk with that (can't remember if I ever made my epic talk to other phones) Jul 11 16:29:28 * haeffb-pre was first to put enyo code on http://webos101.com. Makes the rest of you losers in the "first to put enyo content on 101" contest... Jul 11 16:29:37 halfhalo: I have Sprint Hotspot, paid for by the company. The problem is that it wasn't connecting to the hotspot Jul 11 16:29:45 It's connected now though Jul 11 16:29:56 My Veer WOULD be my work phone if the parent company offered them as an option...the only reason they don't is because of the whole wifi thing. Jul 11 16:30:12 ah Jul 11 16:30:22 yeah, my veer is dead atm Jul 11 16:30:42 The only reason I'm paying for AT&T service at all is because I wanted to be able to use my Veer outside of my house Jul 11 16:30:57 I got it on a lucky break when Amazon had the $50 brainfart Jul 11 16:32:59 AtomicPlayboy: Nice, they followed through on those orders? Wish I'd bought one! Jul 11 16:33:24 Yeah, everyone who ordered one got it Jul 11 16:33:31 they followed through if you managed to order before they stuck up the out of stock message. after that they canceled them Jul 11 16:33:36 Yeah Jul 11 16:36:18 Phew, finally finished setup Jul 11 16:36:24 Now to re-download apps Jul 11 16:36:41 man.. I need to use inkscape today... Jul 11 16:36:56 hi guys, I just installed the webos sdk and virtualbox emualtor under osx. but when I try to start the emulator via "Palm Emulator.app" I get a greyed out start button. any advice? Jul 11 16:37:24 NuttyBunny: hey! Jul 11 16:38:11 chrisknowsbest:You need to click on the emulator you want to start Jul 11 16:38:39 PatrickC: hey! I didn't finish, of course ;) but I got here and nothing bad happened, so, several more hours to finish Jul 11 16:39:14 good :) Jul 11 16:39:31 I have to find some good live chat software.. open source of course ;) Jul 11 16:39:41 ok, that a selection list. a little embarrassing. thanks Jul 11 16:40:37 time to re-calibrate this battery.. Jul 11 16:40:45 does Dr. Battery work on the tp? Jul 11 16:41:09 If it uses the same technology as the veer it's no longer needed Jul 11 16:41:23 awesome Jul 11 16:47:40 And we're back on our feet. Jul 11 16:47:41 Yay. Jul 11 16:48:13 cool Jul 11 16:49:35 chuqui: ping again? Jul 11 16:49:42 When you have a minute Jul 11 16:49:49 AtomicPlayboy: yo Jul 11 16:49:55 PM'ing Jul 11 16:50:06 secret squirrel stuff Jul 11 16:50:09 sekret conversation... Jul 11 16:50:24 secret police! Jul 11 16:50:28 Very sekret Jul 11 16:50:33 Involves NDA stuff Jul 11 16:50:55 you just blew your cover Jul 11 16:50:59 tsk, tsk Jul 11 16:51:25 * PatrickC hides Jul 11 16:57:02 ok, now that I got the emulator running it redraws the screen a lot and uncoordinated. I can click on things but sometimes nothing happens and sometimes something radomly happens. I guess its in issue with the input via trackpad? Jul 11 16:57:39 * haeffb-pre now waiting for up to fifteen days... Jul 11 16:57:54 for what? Jul 11 16:58:00 now it flickers between a lock screen and a preference screen. mhh. a little annoying Jul 11 16:58:32 haeffb: got that email today? Jul 11 16:58:47 * PatrickC thinks sugardave should speed everybody's email up ;) Jul 11 16:59:22 dev discount Jul 11 16:59:27 yep Jul 11 16:59:53 * haeffb-pre is going to start letting auto-incorrect do its thing from now on Jul 11 17:00:01 Bev discount Jul 11 17:00:22 * PatrickC got mine on wednesday Jul 11 17:00:29 lol Jul 11 17:01:13 my auto-correct has dev in it Jul 11 17:01:16 I added it Jul 11 17:01:27 your face is about to have my fist in it Jul 11 17:01:30 I'll be adding it Jul 11 17:01:34 OGs like me don't use auto-correct :P Jul 11 17:02:03 thx dawm Jul 11 17:02:09 anytime Jul 11 17:02:12 lol Jul 11 17:02:36 * PatrickC loves sliding panes Jul 11 17:02:49 used them in the email app on the demo tp at sams.... amazing Jul 11 17:02:54 * dawm loves your mom. Jul 11 17:03:09 I love her too, she's nice Jul 11 17:03:22 hahaha Jul 11 17:03:44 she makes me food, and drives me places, what more an you ask for :P Jul 11 17:04:23 wow, I almost made black belt....wonder if I can use that to buy TouchPads or have to use the HP employee discount instead Jul 11 17:04:31 lol Jul 11 17:04:38 * halfhalo is no belt Jul 11 17:04:50 * PatrickC almost made black belt Jul 11 17:05:02 2 things holding me back.. 1 I *can't* fix Jul 11 17:05:11 lies Jul 11 17:05:41 halfhalo: give me the money to go to a workshop.. then I fix Jul 11 17:06:01 hell. no. Jul 11 17:06:21 https://www.facebook.com/LOST/posts/219562514745663 Jul 11 17:06:45 sugardave: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=15833&start=25 Jul 11 17:06:58 sugardave: Where do you find out what belt you are? Jul 11 17:07:12 ok, anybody know why my emulator constantly flashes between the last to frames? Jul 11 17:07:18 twbbas: I'm just going by the descriptions...I do have less than 10 apps in the catalog Jul 11 17:07:31 but everything else I qualify for (mostly) Jul 11 17:07:44 bbl.. lunch time. and gotta leave the phone on charge Jul 11 17:07:55 sugardave: same here. I'm missing the apps and workshop Jul 11 17:08:00 but i've got everything else Jul 11 17:08:31 I'm just curious as to which of my apps "qualify" Jul 11 17:08:32 even the "active in the forum" . . . . I think Senior Forum Member covers that.. lol Jul 11 17:08:38 same here Jul 11 17:08:42 ok.. srsly.. bbl Jul 11 17:20:28 Alright, no crashes/Luna restarts since the doctor Jul 11 17:20:33 * AtomicPlayboy knocks on wood Jul 11 17:25:19 this is the job I would someday like to have: http://recruit.trovix.com/jobhostmaster/jobhost/ViewJobPostDetails.do?title=SR.+USER+INTERFACE+PROTOTYPING+ENGINEER&jobPostId=bonavwg345fuzoscrlyw5rpq4e&accountId=8c7a6bdda14fca4be3ce19634698d598530b9e78&button=&action=viewDetails&tid=0207-nzmgnydz25bn7f7v4vmqiclbig Jul 11 17:29:02 tinyurl.com Jul 11 17:30:07 TOO LATE SUCKER Jul 11 17:30:26 Jul 11 17:32:18 Can anyone else hit docs.google.com? Jul 11 17:33:12 Never mind Jul 11 17:33:14 It's just slow as hell Jul 11 17:34:01 WORKSFORME Jul 11 17:35:52 No, I found the problem Jul 11 17:36:02 You can only sign into Google Docs from one account at a time Jul 11 17:40:37 that would be typical of most webapps Jul 11 17:41:57 no way! https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=81790#p81790 Jul 11 17:41:58 is that true? Jul 11 17:42:05 Google allows multiple sign-ins for most of their apps Jul 11 17:42:05 "On the TouchPad at least, other users can vote on whether the comment was helpful or not..." Jul 11 17:42:10 how can i manually delete a db8 database? Jul 11 17:42:24 Tibfib: I've seen nothing of the sort, but no idea Jul 11 17:43:11 :/ Jul 11 17:43:43 haven't actually spend time looking Jul 11 17:44:11 guh, after these random luna restarts, it's frightening to see a dark-backgrounded card go full screen and start flashing out of the corner of your eye Jul 11 17:44:52 oh wait, right there Jul 11 17:45:03 "Was this review useful? [Yes] [No]" Jul 11 17:45:07 NICE! Jul 11 17:45:11 why haven't I heard about that? Jul 11 17:45:14 Tibfib: yes that's true Jul 11 17:45:14 that's a huge improvement Jul 11 17:45:41 haeffb-pre: my VPS got shutdown again, d'you know if there were suggestions related to my music issue? Jul 11 17:46:28 eh? Jul 11 17:47:09 weren't you the one that said music was showing up in the music app on the TP even though it was in a Music dir on /media/internal? Jul 11 17:52:42 hrm, remounting as usb drive, ejecting, then a reboot fixed it Jul 11 18:05:41 bleh Jul 11 18:06:15 my pre 2 stopped showing new photos in my photos app until i rebooted, and the photos taken while it wouldnt show new ones--- still wouldn't show, but they'd physically be there Jul 11 18:08:56 By chance does anyone have a copy of webOS for windows? Jul 11 18:09:50 Strider5: The emulator can be downloaded from http://developer.hpwebos.com/. It does run on Windows. Jul 11 18:09:59 ::staredog: Jul 11 18:10:09 ::troutslap: Jul 11 18:10:23 I was just wondering if the windows embedded one was out yet for beta. Jul 11 18:10:45 as far as anyone knows, the one for windows isn't existant Jul 11 18:10:56 existent* Jul 11 18:10:58 the one for windows is probably just the javascript library Jul 11 18:11:01 using chrome Jul 11 18:11:05 lol\ Jul 11 18:11:08 wtf Jul 11 18:11:12 probably, but there's been no announcements at all Jul 11 18:11:13 everything is lagged by atleast 2 minutes Jul 11 18:11:18 pre, ipod, email.. Jul 11 18:11:27 dawm, you near a black hole? Jul 11 18:11:31 There are videos of HP at demonstration showing it off. Jul 11 18:11:37 nah Jul 11 18:11:41 just rain Jul 11 18:11:43 annoying tho Jul 11 18:11:59 ill get an email and a notification on the ipod saying i have a new message on such and such site Jul 11 18:12:10 and ive already read it, and deleted it.. Jul 11 18:12:35 Strider5: really? I hadn't seen that Jul 11 18:13:29 Sigh Jul 11 18:13:33 Nice while it lasted Jul 11 18:13:50 Luna crash/restart, just now Jul 11 18:14:35 summatusmentis: oh. that. Jul 11 18:15:13 haeffb-pre: yeah, but I fixed it Jul 11 18:16:06 AtomicPlayboy: maybe ping someone at plam? I'm wondering what causes it Jul 11 18:16:41 oh,cool. bow? Jul 11 18:16:44 how? Jul 11 18:16:54 and take a bow. Jul 11 18:16:54 PLAM! Jul 11 18:16:59 haeffb-pre: re-connect via USB, eject, restart TP Jul 11 18:23:45 I think I'm just cursed Jul 11 18:23:49 I'll hit up HP later Jul 11 18:44:15 sooo. how would I get the first item in view in a virtual list? Jul 11 18:44:21 I need it by index Jul 11 18:47:06 Tibfib: what are you doing that requires that? Jul 11 18:47:25 I'm in the process of adding a "scrollTo" method in a virtual list Jul 11 18:47:29 I have the scrollTo method working Jul 11 18:47:37 I just need a way to get the current "state" Jul 11 18:48:08 My current state is Michigan Jul 11 18:48:36 ah Jul 11 18:48:51 dawm: I guess I could just have a text field asking users Jul 11 18:49:19 huh? Oh i was making a joke :) Jul 11 18:49:57 I knowl. Jul 11 18:50:53 oh. I may have it Jul 11 18:51:02 Tibfib: you can at least know the first buffer in the list Jul 11 18:51:14 first *visible* buffer Jul 11 18:51:20 hmm Jul 11 18:51:34 tibfib : how did you get it working? i've been trying Jul 11 18:51:47 it'll be on github once it's ready Jul 11 18:52:18 scrollTo is super easy Jul 11 18:52:59 but accessing in a virtual list is harder Jul 11 18:54:08 not really Jul 11 18:54:14 Tibfib: are you talking about scrolling to a specific position in a list? Jul 11 18:54:21 yes. I am Jul 11 18:54:36 would like to see that code if you get it working Jul 11 18:54:41 whatfield: harder, but not impossible Jul 11 18:54:48 you just have to extend the kinds and so forth Jul 11 18:54:50 not too bad Jul 11 18:55:49 apparently that thing my toe was resting on was the switch for the surge protector.. Jul 11 18:56:31 hahaha Jul 11 18:56:37 I saw something in the forums today about doing this.$.virtuallist.$.scroller is that the basic idea? Jul 11 18:56:55 not yet Jul 11 18:56:58 err. no Jul 11 18:57:54 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16227 Jul 11 18:57:59 that's the basic strategy for scrollTo Jul 11 18:59:28 there are probably better ways, but that's an easy one. Jul 11 19:01:42 ah thx Jul 11 19:02:05 http://i.imgur.com/kRkOR.jpg Jul 11 19:02:06 HAHA Jul 11 19:05:06 I think spaz is going to have to wait for palm to give some good virtual list methods before we can save/set scrollStates Jul 11 19:07:32 Anyone in Chicago? http://www.flickr.com/photos/51035597898@N01/5926864816 Jul 11 19:08:15 Tibfib: thanks! Jul 11 19:11:47 Tibfib: since you work on spaz hd maybe you know the answer to this one - i figured out how to set an alarm and launch my app (which i want to do once daily) - but I'm having trouble completely hiding the window when the alarm goes off, I want to perform a download and post a dashboard item - what's the method for doing this? Jul 11 19:17:47 80% battery health :/ Jul 11 19:18:24 whee webos browser hates this :) Jul 11 19:18:29 lol Jul 11 19:18:41 try the acid3 test on the touchpad Jul 11 19:19:03 TDL: use wIRC ;) Jul 11 19:19:26 probably should look into it Jul 11 19:19:46 its $4.29 I believe Jul 11 19:19:52 TDL: what client are you using? Jul 11 19:20:01 and I've just got a pixi the acid3 test would probavly be quite painful Jul 11 19:20:25 I'm using whatever web client was linked off the weob internals wiki Jul 11 19:20:31 Ah Jul 11 19:21:02 matbee: acid3? Jul 11 19:21:19 http://acid3.acidtests.org/ Jul 11 19:21:22 the text entry bar is somewhere in the middle of the screen and status messages overlap text Jul 11 19:21:29 the touchpad fails epic Jul 11 19:21:32 epic failure Jul 11 19:21:57 I don't even care much about acid performance Jul 11 19:22:12 it's reminiscient of webos itself Jul 11 19:22:13 lol Jul 11 19:22:26 92/100 on my pre2 Jul 11 19:22:27 webos has poor standards compliance Jul 11 19:22:38 92/100 while downloading svg maps Jul 11 19:22:39 haha Jul 11 19:22:47 touchpad got like 29% Jul 11 19:22:49 er Jul 11 19:22:50 69 Jul 11 19:22:56 anyway the reason for my popping in here wss because my googlefoo was failing to find out if it is posible to add an aim contact to a buddy list Jul 11 19:23:49 matbee: just ran it on my TP, it's showing 92/100 Jul 11 19:23:58 it sat at 69 for a bit, then increased Jul 11 19:24:08 ahh, i ran it at the webos connect, and it didnt increase Jul 11 19:24:28 maybe it renders the output score incorrectly :) Jul 11 19:24:51 FF5 only gets 97 Jul 11 19:25:09 FF8 is 20% faster Jul 11 19:25:14 ugg.. I really want to win a ebay auction Jul 11 19:25:25 cwayne: you running FF8? Jul 11 19:25:32 bid a million dollas Jul 11 19:25:46 PatrickC: dude, FF8 isn't even in beta yet, I don't think Jul 11 19:25:51 TDL: a little much for a pre-, isn't it :P Jul 11 19:26:00 yeah.. its FF7.. I forgot Jul 11 19:26:40 probably had no idea what you wer bidding on just figured the large number would ensure victory Jul 11 19:26:56 :P Jul 11 19:27:29 so, does anyone know how to add an aim contact in webos? Jul 11 19:29:48 I'm probably just being retarded but can't seem to figure it out Jul 11 19:30:12 I only add new gmail contacts sorry Jul 11 19:30:52 TDL: I think it's in the contacts section Jul 11 19:31:01 yeah the email and chat accounts seem to be differently managed Jul 11 19:31:02 and you setup an aim sn in one of the contact fields Jul 11 19:32:02 so I've done that but the contact only shows as a palm profile contact rather than an AIM contact Jul 11 19:32:31 hrm Jul 11 19:32:38 click the little icon next to their name in the "edit" contact page Jul 11 19:32:48 I need to get that pushed to the aim contact list servers Jul 11 19:33:38 on 2.1, Messaging->Buddies->drop menu from top left->Add Buddy Jul 11 19:34:10 probably simliar for 1.4.x Jul 11 19:34:16 I'm on a pixi Jul 11 19:34:33 ok, well, probably similar Jul 11 19:34:42 I don't have a 1.4.5 device to test on Jul 11 19:34:59 ...i wish synergy services would work Jul 11 19:35:06 i hate having a button on my phone that does nothing Jul 11 19:35:10 what? Jul 11 19:35:19 *Find more* Jul 11 19:35:38 theres never anything there Jul 11 19:35:52 does it click? That's something Jul 11 19:35:55 oh, well, perhaps people should implement more Jul 11 19:36:19 also there's no add buddy from the drop menu under messaging on 1.4x Jul 11 19:36:45 hrm Jul 11 19:37:46 and clicking the contact name icon just pops a dropdown with the only choice being palm profile. Jul 11 19:38:12 imported contacts are similar but the one option is AIM Jul 11 19:39:25 the aim contact is also not "editable" Jul 11 19:39:45 whereas the palm profile contact I created is Jul 11 19:40:26 hmm.. Jul 11 19:40:31 go into the msg'ing app Jul 11 19:40:36 is this 2.1? Jul 11 19:43:26 PatrickC: no, TDL's on a pixi Jul 11 19:43:42 it's on a pixi so 1.4 I think Jul 11 19:43:48 ok.. I believe its the same on older os's Jul 11 19:43:57 go into the msg'ing app Jul 11 19:44:21 TDL: stupid question, do you have your aim account connected to synergy? Jul 11 19:45:04 then click the appmenu, then click "add buddy" Jul 11 19:45:08 this is a dev mode device with no carrier Jul 11 19:45:16 /should/ work Jul 11 19:46:10 I've just got the account added to the messaging application Jul 11 19:46:19 try what I said Jul 11 19:46:52 PatrickC: do you read backlog at all? we just had this conversation Jul 11 19:47:44 summatusmentis: just read it.. Jul 11 19:51:32 stupid browser just reloaded the page and dumped the irc connection Jul 11 19:52:15 only options in the drop down menu are edit show/hide offline and help Jul 11 19:52:40 tried from both buddy and coversation screens Jul 11 19:53:19 oh and the edit prefs/accounts Jul 11 19:53:53 sorry.. idk Jul 11 19:56:34 :( the UK app store only has 1 app on it Jul 11 19:57:14 quick post another and you'll control 50% of the market Jul 11 19:57:20 heh Jul 11 19:57:26 its the facebook app Jul 11 19:57:31 which also comes pre installed Jul 11 19:57:43 you'll become a millionaire over night Jul 11 19:58:01 ell since its not officailly on sale till next week Jul 11 19:59:51 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 11 20:00:49 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 11 20:02:14 2011 Jul 11 20:02:32 i want a new 1.4.x facebook app Jul 11 20:02:44 i can do more with the x.facebook.com than i can with the app Jul 11 20:02:44 man the missing bits of this system are irritaaaating Jul 11 20:03:19 also lots of a's were there Jul 11 20:13:07 feh reload Jul 11 20:13:14 anyhow gonna run Jul 11 20:13:26 thanks for trying to help folks Jul 11 20:13:26 I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. Jul 11 20:13:50 I am people. I do not know you Jul 11 20:14:24 but good luck in your future endevours Jul 11 20:14:58 dawm: I know you Jul 11 20:15:09 man i need a cigarette.. day one of quitting sucks Jul 11 20:15:20 plus my mom and little sister are staying here for the week.. Jul 11 20:15:25 ugh! Jul 11 20:15:25 * PatrickC doesn't smoke Jul 11 20:15:35 thats cause your like 12 Jul 11 20:15:48 now you can spend the time you used to smoke fixing Ailium :) Jul 11 20:15:51 * PatrickC hides Jul 11 20:15:57 and its 15 tyvm! Jul 11 20:16:02 theres only 1 bug that needs fixing Jul 11 20:16:06 what it needs is finishing Jul 11 20:16:08 cool Jul 11 20:16:22 fixing first, beta second, finishing third Jul 11 20:16:52 i like it when they say ' a few extra pounds' Jul 11 20:17:06 when they really should have said 'a whole lot of extra pounds' Jul 11 20:35:48 http://www.businessinsider.com/letterman-studios-vandalized-james-whittemore-2011-7 Jul 11 21:01:29 I just made an awesome looking 8 ball with inkscape thanks to haeffb!! Jul 11 21:08:09 poor haeffb Jul 11 21:08:23 he just told me the program and pointed to a tutorial :P Jul 11 21:08:42 http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/Inkscape/8-ball.png Jul 11 21:09:13 looks orange Jul 11 21:09:37 yeah? Jul 11 21:09:40 jk, looks good :) Jul 11 21:09:47 lol Jul 11 21:10:14 it was really easy.. Inkscape is a *very good* *free* alternative to PS Jul 11 21:11:41 yep, I have it installed Jul 11 21:11:44 now I need to make an icon... Jul 11 21:13:47 first.. algebra.. Jul 11 21:14:28 thats the thing with the letters isn't it Jul 11 21:14:54 lol.. yeah :/ Jul 11 21:15:18 inkscape and photoshop aren't even really the same thing Jul 11 21:15:32 inkscape is more of an adobe illustrator replacement Jul 11 21:15:45 but it sucks at times Jul 11 21:15:47 it works for me.. Jul 11 21:15:48 true. inkscape is good for svd? Jul 11 21:15:49 i use inkscape and illustrator Jul 11 21:15:51 s... Jul 11 21:15:53 what is it called Jul 11 21:15:56 svg Jul 11 21:15:58 svg* Jul 11 21:15:58 yes Jul 11 21:16:00 bingo! Jul 11 21:16:09 yeah, svg's are nice Jul 11 21:16:18 I use paint.net for everything though. Jul 11 21:16:21 photoshop is for..well photos Jul 11 21:16:37 oh shoot http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110711006653/en/HP-Drive-Innovation-Scale-Growth-webOS Jul 11 21:16:41 all the stickers i make are almost always done in inkscape Jul 11 21:16:52 sometimes i have to use illustrator but tahts usually just for file conversion Jul 11 21:17:48 how much is illustrator? adobe's site doesn't like my pre Jul 11 21:18:30 lotsa monies Jul 11 21:18:50 just like.... ps? Jul 11 21:20:09 so I went to my local best buy and played with a touchpad Jul 11 21:20:20 awesome? Jul 11 21:20:22 amazing? Jul 11 21:20:26 life changing? Jul 11 21:20:28 kick ass! Jul 11 21:20:37 it was pretty sweet Jul 11 21:20:44 webos icons are 32x32 correct? Jul 11 21:20:46 I kinda felt like there wasn't much to do Jul 11 21:20:52 I played with it at my sams Jul 11 21:20:52 buttttttt Jul 11 21:21:04 get preware on it and it all changes :) Jul 11 21:21:07 there wasn't any catalog access and I've played with the emu for months Jul 11 21:21:15 yeah.. same here Jul 11 21:21:26 I went into Best Buy on Santana Row. It took me 10 minutes to find the TouchPads that were placed right in the front, along the main walkway... Jul 11 21:21:27 what size are webos icons? I need to know to make mine lol Jul 11 21:21:45 32 x 32 ? Jul 11 21:21:55 PatrickC: why don't you look around? Jul 11 21:22:03 you're bound to have the source to an app or two Jul 11 21:22:08 see developer.palm.com Jul 11 21:22:31 64 x 64? wow.. bigger then I thought Jul 11 21:23:11 32 x32 48x 48 and 64 x 64 Jul 11 21:23:17 wow... Jul 11 21:23:34 u need all three for webos apps Jul 11 21:23:48 no you don't Jul 11 21:23:48 48x48 when uploading app Jul 11 21:24:34 64x64 for sure and yeah, 48x48 when uploading app Jul 11 21:24:42 I dont think the submission process requested a 32x32 Jul 11 21:24:42 but you don't need 32x32 Jul 11 21:24:55 what's thatone used for then? Jul 11 21:25:06 banner/dashboard? Jul 11 21:25:11 I'll make the icon in 64x64 and then shrink it.. Jul 11 21:25:21 it's not needed Jul 11 21:25:37 the 48x48 is Jul 11 21:25:43 I'll shrink it to 48x48 Jul 11 21:25:56 ... I was referring to the 32 Jul 11 21:26:02 oh Jul 11 21:26:17 Tibfib: did you happen to catch my question up above about headless dashboard? Jul 11 21:26:27 I did not Jul 11 21:26:46 Flashpass_work: go ahead and repeat it and I'll answer if I can Jul 11 21:27:14 Tibfib: "since you work on spaz hd maybe you know the answer to this one - i figured out how to set an alarm and launch my app (which i want to do once daily) - but I'm having trouble completely hiding the window when the alarm goes off, I want to perform a download and post a dashboard item - what's the method for doing this?" Jul 11 21:27:45 Flashpass_work: so the app is already closed before the alarm? Jul 11 21:27:55 or you want to hide it at the alarm? Jul 11 21:28:01 Tibfib: yeah that's the scenario i'm working with Jul 11 21:28:09 Tibfib: when the app is closed Jul 11 21:28:13 hmmm Jul 11 21:28:27 Spaz HD doesn't have background notifications so we actually haven't worked with this Jul 11 21:28:44 I'm going to guess you do stuff in index.html Jul 11 21:28:48 ah so it doesn't update the feeds periodicalyl when closed Jul 11 21:29:01 and selectively launch whatever stage you want Jul 11 21:29:20 enyo.windows.activate(undefined, "SearchWindow"); Jul 11 21:29:29 yeah in index.html I can switch between when an alarm launched me versus user click launch - but the main window is always shown Jul 11 21:29:36 hmmm Jul 11 21:29:48 Flashpass_work: I would ask on the forums, I bet it's pretty obvious for a palm employee Jul 11 21:30:14 alright, i'll give that a try - thanks Jul 11 21:30:17 oh yeah 32x32 was for my mojo help menu Jul 11 21:34:08 hmm, I think it's time to resume work on my google reader Jul 11 21:34:09 app Jul 11 21:34:39 I'm gonna resume making my icon Jul 11 21:40:22 icon almost done.. Jul 11 21:45:37 can we submit an enyo for 2.0 phones? Jul 11 21:45:41 no Jul 11 21:45:46 boo... Jul 11 21:45:52 why would we be able to? Jul 11 21:46:08 cuss I do not feel like making 2 versions =) Jul 11 21:46:23 no 2.0 phones run enyo naively Jul 11 21:46:27 native* Jul 11 21:46:33 i am in enyo mode, not mojo mode =( Jul 11 21:47:04 oh forgot I had a mojo version of my app =) Jul 11 21:47:31 lol Jul 11 21:47:36 I need to make one for my app Jul 11 21:47:47 Flashpass_work: did you look at the pondNotes source? Jul 11 21:48:06 haeffb: made the 8 ball. now making my icon! Jul 11 21:49:45 haeffb: yeah, it kinda sorta helped me figure out how to detect between being launched by alarm/click - but wasn't clear about switching the app to run completely headless...maybe i need tor eview it some more Jul 11 21:50:27 PatrickC: the boom box? Jul 11 21:50:38 kinda, yeah Jul 11 21:50:45 I'll post it once its finished Jul 11 21:50:57 its just a simple one right now Jul 11 21:51:05 just so I have an actual icon :) Jul 11 21:51:48 Flashpass_work: look at the relaunch method in applaunch.js Jul 11 21:52:16 haeffb: right but that seems to be called whent he app is open and the alarm occurs Jul 11 21:52:27 haeffb: that was the behavior i saw anyway Jul 11 21:52:39 no, if you don't call "opencard" it shouldn't launch the app Jul 11 21:52:42 PatrickC: this is what u need --> http://www.gifnow.com/uploads/av/2009-04/thumbs/100x100_1240577393_8_ball.gif Jul 11 21:52:59 super modern Jul 11 21:53:02 haeffb: hm, oh i see now that you set noWindow:true Jul 11 21:53:15 yes, that's critical for not showing a window... :) Jul 11 21:53:20 lonestar99: hahaha Jul 11 21:53:24 not for my app :P Jul 11 21:54:35 * haeffb sees someone created an enyowiki Jul 11 21:55:05 and ianbeck slaps them around a bit Jul 11 21:55:54 and someone else complains that webos101 has "outdated" mojo info Jul 11 21:56:55 webos101 needs enyo code. I will write something later today Jul 11 22:00:11 haeffb: there is no point to make a new wiki Jul 11 22:00:50 Tibfib: I agree, as did ianbeck Jul 11 22:00:56 haeffb: right, I dind't know if that could be set dynamically since I wanted to actualyl show the app when launched normally, but when I turned it to true i got a bunch of errors Jul 11 22:01:23 awww... EA is making scrabble for android free Jul 11 22:01:33 * haeffb may try to write an example for webos101 tonight... Jul 11 22:01:38 * dwc- looks at EA $5 scrabble for webos Jul 11 22:02:04 dwc-: in 10 years, when they're recouped the investment in scrabble for webos...it'll be free to. Jul 11 22:02:33 Flashpass_work: pastebin some code? Jul 11 22:02:35 dwc-: oooh, for touchpad? or pre? Jul 11 22:02:44 webos? pre Jul 11 22:02:48 dangit. Jul 11 22:02:50 haeffb: yeah, will you be on for a bit? have a meeting Jul 11 22:02:57 or at least I assume it's only for pre Jul 11 22:02:59 * dwc- has no touchpad Jul 11 22:03:00 I want some nice board games for touchpad Jul 11 22:03:18 I'll be around all night, but will begin having a beer in an hour or so... :o Jul 11 22:03:37 Requires: webOS 1.3.5 Jul 11 22:03:40 Available for: Jul 11 22:03:40 Palm Pre, Palm Pre2, HP TouchPad Jul 11 22:03:48 sooo I think I've decided that my google reader app will have a smiliar UI to newsroom Jul 11 22:03:50 haeffb: ok what area do you live in? my machine witht he code is at home and I wont be there for a few hours Jul 11 22:03:50 so you can play.... it'll just look... different. Jul 11 22:03:51 dwc-: interesting Jul 11 22:04:07 haeffb: 3pm here on the west coast Jul 11 22:04:11 whoops, sorry. $7, not $5 Jul 11 22:04:39 CDT, 5pm Jul 11 22:05:11 haeffb: okay, i'll try to catch you online later tonight - appreciate the help Jul 11 22:05:19 haeffb: go CDT! Jul 11 22:05:21 no problem Jul 11 22:07:03 haeffb: http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/Inkscape/icon-first-gen-edited.PNG Jul 11 22:08:00 or anyone who wants to see the first gen of my icon Jul 11 22:08:36 is that suspenders? Jul 11 22:08:45 no Jul 11 22:08:57 I was trying to put something to make his arms stand out Jul 11 22:09:08 so it didn't look like one massive chest Jul 11 22:09:25 well, he is one massive dude Jul 11 22:09:33 yeah.. Jul 11 22:09:43 as you can see. I'm not too good at this yet :) Jul 11 22:17:22 keep doing it, you'll get better. At least that's what my wife says. Jul 11 22:18:56 hmmmmmmm, looks like I'm going to make a vertical sliding pane Jul 11 22:19:29 haeffb: lol thanks Jul 11 22:19:31 will do Jul 11 22:23:04 So, anyone know the 'enyo' way to set up something to provide notification to multiple subscribers? Jul 11 22:23:44 roy-pre101: mojo example app? Jul 11 22:31:35 vvl Jul 11 22:31:39 bbl* Jul 11 22:32:04 roy-pre101: what kind of subscribers? Jul 11 22:33:49 sorry, got called away. Jul 11 22:33:53 Here's the idea: Jul 11 22:34:22 I don't want to share data between the various views in Mosaic Jul 11 22:35:11 So, I was going to set up a Preferences object and let the views subscribe to a 'changed' event to be notified if something the view is interested in changes. Jul 11 22:35:19 right Jul 11 22:35:31 well, tbh I think DOM events are way easier for that sort of thing Jul 11 22:36:19 explain how DOM events work for this? Jul 11 22:36:40 you trigger "changed" as a custom DOM event on the document object Jul 11 22:37:01 and subscribe various handlers all over to that "changed" custom event on document Jul 11 22:37:16 document object => document element Jul 11 22:37:20 I misspoke Jul 11 22:37:50 anyway, you could use a lightweight thing like bean.js to do it Jul 11 22:38:17 or probably any of these http://microjs.com/#events Jul 11 22:38:52 on palm tech support chat.. Jul 11 22:39:05 like MinPubSub might be perfect too Jul 11 22:39:39 since that just ditches the DOM stuff entirely, I think, so don't even need to worry about that Jul 11 22:42:13 palm tech support know nothing haha Jul 11 22:43:07 "You *must* have a carrier data connection to activate your palm device" Jul 11 22:43:16 you realise you're talking to someone in another country who has never held a webOS phone and is working purely from a script, right? Jul 11 22:43:45 no.. Jul 11 22:44:01 who in fact is not alloed to deviate from that script for fear of losing their job Jul 11 22:44:56 that Jul 11 22:45:43 wow.. didn't know that Jul 11 22:45:51 oh yeah Jul 11 22:45:53 welcome to first level support Jul 11 22:45:56 they *have* to do that. Jul 11 22:47:44 so what needs clarification...? http://www.webos101.com/Enyo_%22Multi-Card%22_Applications Jul 11 22:48:05 LoneStar99: re: making two versions - that's why I'm still writing Mojo code until I get a release date for Enyo on Pre2, Veer and Pre3 from Palm. Jul 11 22:48:05 oh thank you for making this Jul 11 22:49:10 haeffb: does the SDK have an example of this anywhere? I never found it Jul 11 22:49:39 funkatron: there's an appendix page in the doco, but no example I could find. Jul 11 22:50:09 I don't understand why they don't document stuff like this when it's something so many poeple expect Jul 11 22:50:10 haeffb: just what I needed Jul 11 22:50:11 people even Jul 11 22:50:12 anyone here got two touchpads running Preware handy? Jul 11 22:50:19 maybe it's just me Jul 11 22:50:31 funkatron: I stole it from email app Jul 11 22:50:43 haeffb: I looked at that some but my brain broke Jul 11 22:50:59 it's got a lot of other stuff going on...tried to simplify Jul 11 22:51:16 rwhitby: lol Jul 11 22:51:34 haeffb: I want to test my homebrew touch to share code in Hello! Jul 11 22:51:58 sorry, I'm sure there's somebody here that has two TPs with Preware. Just struck me as amusing... Jul 11 22:52:02 I've worked out how to share much more than just URLs between homebrew apps. Jul 11 22:52:08 fantastic! Jul 11 22:52:29 if you can get them to share SQLite databases, that might be a good backup method. Jul 11 22:52:32 rwhitby: like what else can be shared? Jul 11 22:52:40 "losing your data?" "Buy another TouchPad" Jul 11 22:52:57 well, I can share anything that can be uri encoded Jul 11 22:52:59 lol Jul 11 22:53:42 will need to overlay a bt comms protocol on top of that for larger amounts of data Jul 11 22:54:32 * rwhitby bbl Jul 11 22:55:00 cya rwhitby Jul 11 22:57:11 hmm.. they said to contact my dev rep.. Jul 11 22:58:24 yikes Jul 11 22:58:24 the camera can be used with cross-app launch... Jul 11 22:58:30 http://www.svhtml5.com/events/22527161/ Jul 11 22:58:33 or is there a service Jul 11 22:58:56 155 people attending, 55-person waitlist.... Jul 11 22:59:17 Apparently TTS works between 2 TouchPad? Do you have to place them with screens touching for it to work? Kinda awkward if you do.... Jul 11 22:59:35 need a new abbrev for touch to share... tts is already taken by text to speech :P Jul 11 22:59:41 T2S Jul 11 23:03:17 What I want: Jul 11 23:03:36 To be able to slide a card down from my Pre 3 and have it load up on my TouchPad and vice versa Jul 11 23:03:50 (slide down vs sliding up to close) Jul 11 23:03:52 YES! Jul 11 23:04:10 even have it come up from below on the TouchPad... that'd be amazing Jul 11 23:04:21 I'd say that'd be more wow factor than T2S Jul 11 23:05:21 Hmm... I haven't ventured into the world of patching myself but I wonder if that'd be possible with a patch + app? Jul 11 23:05:47 Something like neato for the app Jul 11 23:11:30 erg. The virtual grid example is worthless Jul 11 23:11:35 grr Jul 11 23:13:00 is this correct....? The paths in depends.js are relative to the corresponding index.html. Jul 11 23:13:17 * halfhalo shakes his fist at hp hr Jul 11 23:14:00 haeffb: Yes, that is correct Jul 11 23:14:09 * haeffb joins halfhalo in the revolution! Jul 11 23:14:31 argg.. do I buy a macbook or a touchpad... Jul 11 23:15:13 ok, that's as far as I'm going to get tonight: http://www.webos101.com/Enyo_%22Multi-Card%22_Applications Jul 11 23:16:15 Good choice of topic Jul 11 23:16:19 I haven't seen that pattern before, though Jul 11 23:16:40 It might be easier to use ApplicationEvents in the myAppLaunch kind Jul 11 23:16:44 haeffb: Thanks! Jul 11 23:17:11 A little less code in the index.html file, at least Jul 11 23:19:20 FF8 now available Jul 11 23:22:57 whoa, ruby out? Jul 11 23:23:48 ianbeck: it's a wiki.... :) Jul 11 23:23:51 no way! I'm calling on this craigslist listing Jul 11 23:25:13 haeffb: Indeed; maybe I'll take a closer look later :-) Jul 11 23:33:10 oh dangit Jul 11 23:33:16 anyone still have the example enyo apps? Jul 11 23:33:33 MOJO* Jul 11 23:47:42 eeergggmmm Jul 11 23:59:32 Tibfib: ? Jul 11 23:59:43 At this point I don't remember Jul 11 23:59:53 something about being frustrated at rss feed icons Jul 11 23:59:56 * haeffb about to chow down on grilled shrimp and grilled bell pepper Jul 12 00:06:21 Anyone been successful at getting a terminal to connect to the TouchPad? Jul 12 00:06:58 ? Jul 12 00:09:11 Ok, who of the TP owners did download my beta app? :) Jul 12 00:09:19 (Hi everyone) Jul 12 00:16:02 NuttyBunny: not I ! Jul 12 00:18:29 * haeffb doesn't like the fact that you can't bookmark a purchased app in the TP catalog Jul 12 00:19:08 * Tibfib doesn't like the fact that he doesn't have a touchpad Jul 12 00:23:23 haeffb: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta Jul 12 00:27:08 haeffb: there are lots of things about the touchpad app catalog which are sub-standard. It really needed some usability testing before release. Jul 12 00:29:09 rwhitby: let's just hope that it gets better following the current usability testing... Jul 12 00:35:00 hmm, what would be the proper enyo way to listen to a flick event? Jul 12 00:40:11 um Jul 12 00:40:21 give it some headphoens? Jul 12 00:44:39 oh, the event doesn't work in chrome Jul 12 00:44:40 dangit Jul 12 00:46:35 There's got to be a better way to do this. Jul 12 00:46:54 bnceo: Why didn't you tell me that scaling/rotation was choppy? :) Jul 12 00:47:51 AtomicPlayboy: how do you mean terminal attached? Jul 12 00:48:07 do you mean just novaterm? Jul 12 00:48:24 you need the updated novacom for that, but yes it works Jul 12 00:48:25 I've got my TouchPad hooked up with USB. I've got the official HP SDK x64 installed (Windows 7 if that makes a difference). Jul 12 00:48:59 * Tibfib just about has the basics of the ui for his google reader app done Jul 12 00:49:02 time to eat Jul 12 00:49:07 Whatever the "updated novacom" is, I'm hoping that if it came from HP, it's updated Jul 12 00:49:31 precentral says "HP's move puts Rubinstein in Rahul Sood's old shoes, an operations guy in charge of webOS" and I read "HP's move puts Rubinstein in charge of old shoes" Jul 12 00:50:02 I'm using novaproxy.py and Putty Jul 12 00:50:13 That seems to work now Jul 12 00:50:54 it sounds like novaproxy.py is outdated Jul 12 00:50:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_From_Windows Jul 12 00:51:04 cxreg: heheh Jul 12 00:51:17 AtomicPlayboy: just use novaterm from Palm Jul 12 00:51:31 from the official SDK Jul 12 00:51:48 ALright, if I have the SDK installed, where is novaterm now? Jul 12 00:52:03 if you're on a real OS, just type novaterm. Jul 12 00:52:04 It's not in C:\program files\HP webos\SDK\bin Jul 12 00:52:08 ... Jul 12 00:52:14 Thanks for your help guys. Jul 12 00:52:43 if you're on windows, see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_on_Windows Jul 12 00:53:16 Now, I tried that... Jul 12 00:53:46 it's in a different directory, hang on a second Jul 12 00:54:29 C:\Program Files (x86)\HP webOS\SDK\bin Jul 12 00:55:07 Program Files > Palm, Inc > terminal Jul 12 00:55:13 there's a novaterm.bat file there Jul 12 00:55:18 I don't have that Jul 12 00:55:26 bummer Jul 12 00:55:27 :/ Jul 12 00:55:30 But novacom -t open pty:// is workin gnow Jul 12 00:55:41 Thanks rwhitby Jul 12 00:55:41 $ grep -v '^#' `which novaterm` Jul 12 00:55:41 exec novacom $* -t open tty://0 Jul 12 00:55:47 that doens't look very java-ey Jul 12 00:55:57 WOSQI 4.3 also has that novacom command built-in Jul 12 00:56:29 I seem to recall not being able to find a novaterm on the 2.1/win32 sdk either Jul 12 00:56:46 Now...why is WOSQI prompting me to install novacom drivers when they're installed with the SDK? Jul 12 00:57:01 AtomicPlayboy: what version of WOSQI ? Jul 12 00:57:07 4.2.3 Jul 12 00:57:14 dunno, a question for Jason Jul 12 00:57:15 Newer version I'm guessing? Jul 12 00:57:25 * rwhitby uses novacom and palm-install exclusively Jul 12 00:58:21 Long story short, I was able to get in using cmd.exe and novacom -t open pty:// Jul 12 00:58:33 Err tty:// Jul 12 00:58:57 if you find a way to make ^C not suck in that method, please let me know Jul 12 00:59:49 The only reason I'm using it at all is to get sshd up and running, then I can get in from anywhere Jul 12 01:00:05 Also, is there a terminal for the TouchPad yet? Jul 12 01:00:15 AtomicPlayboy: please update the wiki pages you were following to make it clear for the next person Jul 12 01:00:25 Oi Jul 12 01:00:27 I'll try Jul 12 01:00:27 AtomicPlayboy: we're working on one. Look for Xecutah Jul 12 01:00:39 Is it in Preware yet, or jfgi? Jul 12 01:01:00 you need stuff from Early Access at the moment to make it work. Jul 12 01:01:07 Ah Jul 12 01:01:12 * rwhitby bbl Jul 12 01:01:35 Well I'm in EA, but my TouchPad seems b0rked as it is, I'll probably be RMA'ing it soon anwyay Jul 12 01:04:14 er, hi guys. Jul 12 01:16:56 roy-pre101: what are you announcing, tell us! Jul 12 01:17:31 Have to tune in to webOSradio. Jul 12 01:18:42 are you going to lead with it, or will I have to sit through a bunch of commercials? I hate it when the local news makes me wait :P Jul 12 01:20:05 sugardave: let me know what roy-pre101 announces. Jul 12 01:20:15 :D Jul 12 01:21:00 and, to be fair, let me know what the commercials want me to buy Jul 12 01:21:02 shall I prognosticate? I bet he's got some exclusive information Jul 12 01:22:21 haeffb: my commercial re-listing service is only $1.99 per commercial Jul 12 01:26:35 Alright, new problem Jul 12 01:26:55 "adduser: user 'username' in use" Jul 12 01:27:01 I can't add myself to sudo Jul 12 01:40:49 * rwhitby wonders what wiki page is still telling people to do sudo stuff Jul 12 01:41:41 AtomicPlayboy: which wiki page is saying to use sudo? Our SSH solutions now use the root user directly with secure keys. Jul 12 01:56:20 urg, flex does not like me Jul 12 01:56:34 flex loves everyone Jul 12 01:56:49 not me Jul 12 01:57:26 Is FB on the TP having difficulty connecting for anyone else? Jul 12 01:57:30 sugardave: wanna put in a good word for me? Jul 12 02:02:43 i think i may get an evo :| Jul 12 02:03:56 * NuttyBunny slaps dawm Jul 12 02:03:56 traitor Jul 12 02:04:02 * Tibfib slaps dawm around a bit with a large trout Jul 12 02:04:16 * Tibfib will take back slap if dawm fixes flex issue Jul 12 02:04:22 no Jul 12 02:05:04 ill keeping an eye out for semi broken pre's on CL.. but i know sprint aint gonna give us a pre3 Jul 12 02:05:11 and my plan is too good to leave sprint Jul 12 02:05:51 ill frankenpre first but still Jul 12 02:06:00 dawm: do you have a sero plan too? Jul 12 02:06:05 indeed Jul 12 02:06:08 lost it when i got the pre Jul 12 02:06:17 Yeah, I'm in the same boat Jul 12 02:06:18 was able to get it back when they allowed smartphones in sero Jul 12 02:06:36 Oh, I waited until they allowed smartphones on sero Jul 12 02:06:49 my mogul died the day of the bestbuy price mistake Jul 12 02:06:58 nice Jul 12 02:06:58 it was too good of timing Jul 12 02:07:10 good evening Jul 12 02:07:25 getting back in sero was easier than it was getting it ;p Jul 12 02:07:32 Can you guys tell me where enyo.js lies on my local machine? Jul 12 02:07:50 dawm: I'll probably frankenpre, then I don't know that Jul 12 02:08:18 i dont wanna ruin my pre anymore than it already is, so hoping to snag a broken one cheap Jul 12 02:08:34 there was one for $5 with a broken corner.. but the person hasnt called/texted/emailed me back Jul 12 02:09:29 anyone doing enyo development? Jul 12 02:09:43 nah we're all iOS devs here Jul 12 02:09:47 :| Jul 12 02:09:51 wp7 here Jul 12 02:09:52 android Jul 12 02:10:01 any symbian guys Jul 12 02:10:02 well phonegap Jul 12 02:10:14 :P Jul 12 02:10:14 we kicked out the symbian guys Jul 12 02:10:17 hah Jul 12 02:10:19 palmOS Jul 12 02:10:48 well my name is almost webos Jul 12 02:10:54 Any idea what happened to the prethemer feed? Jul 12 02:10:57 wesbos: Sorry, crystal ball broke :( Jul 12 02:11:16 mm wp7. ... webos needs a silverlight plugin at the os level... Jul 12 02:11:45 same with flash if its not already Jul 12 02:11:58 * Tibfib waits for someone to disagree Jul 12 02:12:01 I'm trying to start some webos dev locally and I'm not sure where enyo.js lies on my local machine / where I can get it. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Jul 12 02:12:03 webos needs minecraft Jul 12 02:12:11 wesbos: what os are you running? Jul 12 02:12:16 osx Jul 12 02:12:28 heh, can't help you there :D Jul 12 02:12:39 someone else should be able to Jul 12 02:12:52 hah, well does the emulator install a local version? Or should I go into the emulator and grab a copy? Jul 12 02:12:55 I code in basic for Commodore 64 ;) Jul 12 02:13:02 did you check your finder Jul 12 02:13:08 wesbos: if you dl'd 3.0, enyo is included Jul 12 02:13:11 in the sdk folder Jul 12 02:13:27 webOS: the installer puts it in /opt Jul 12 02:13:39 Ugh, auto-correct Jul 12 02:13:47 wesbos: ^^ Jul 12 02:13:51 are you ... perhaps ... looking for ... this? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo.html Jul 12 02:14:01 he wants enyo itself Jul 12 02:14:03 the docs are closeby Jul 12 02:14:22 I did that Jul 12 02:14:22 (go into the emu and got it) Jul 12 02:14:22 ah Jul 12 02:14:26 uh ... oh yeah. :D Jul 12 02:15:13 got it! Jul 12 02:15:21 `/opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/enyo/1.0/framework Jul 12 02:15:24 thanks guys :) Jul 12 02:16:36 Ugh, the FB app still hasn't fixed the 'groups link to website' thing? Jul 12 02:16:49 Inkscape is SOOOO awesome. Jul 12 02:16:55 summatus_pre: I think they're pretty busy Jul 12 02:16:56 lol Jul 12 02:16:58 it just crashed on me. Jul 12 02:17:04 get used to it Jul 12 02:17:05 and I hadn't saved my work Jul 12 02:17:08 i crash it all the time Jul 12 02:17:18 but it saved it automagically! Jul 12 02:17:25 oh mines never done that Jul 12 02:17:31 Tibfib: yeah, I guess... Just irritating Jul 12 02:17:46 it has saved with the wrong file extension and seriously given me a heart attack after working on something for 2 hours Jul 12 02:17:55 haeffb: oh, I thought you were serious, then sarcastic, but now I know you're serious. Jul 12 02:17:57 it crashed and said something like "Inkscape is crashing! but we saved your work in /folder/filename.svg" Jul 12 02:18:16 "ABANDON SHIP" Jul 12 02:18:18 Tibfib: it's all about creating a sense of mystery Jul 12 02:18:39 "he's happy, no he's pissed, no he's happy!!!!" Jul 12 02:18:47 heh Jul 12 02:20:38 haeffb: And you just learned about Inkscape? :) Jul 12 02:20:38 reminds me of CorelDraw Jul 12 02:22:20 anyone wanna help a poor soul with a flex issue? Jul 12 02:23:31 anyone wanna help a poor soul with a node.js service? Jul 12 02:23:48 * Tibfib tells NuttyBunny to find his own begging area Jul 12 02:24:18 * halfhalo kicks the beggars to the curb Jul 12 02:25:53 I need dcousineau to come online Jul 12 02:25:57 he fixed this issue in spaz hd Jul 12 02:26:32 Tibfib, halfhalo: http://bit.ly/qYCi1j Jul 12 02:26:52 NuttyBunny: late last week Jul 12 02:26:59 you guyz been holdin' out on me Jul 12 02:27:25 NuttyBunny: I can't figure out how to DL your app... Jul 12 02:29:18 haeffb: Try this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta_latest_all.ipk Jul 12 02:29:55 Does appscoop even work on the tp? Jul 12 02:29:55 I *still* need a TouchPad :@ Jul 12 02:30:13 fortix keeps crashing Jul 12 02:30:16 annoyinhg Jul 12 02:40:16 new pondNotes icon: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/pondnotesicon.png/ Jul 12 02:41:12 nice! Jul 12 02:41:29 still working on creating the brand... :) Jul 12 02:41:35 I neeeeed a touchpad to test Jul 12 02:42:02 I liked the other one :) Jul 12 02:42:11 the other one was "borrowed" Jul 12 02:42:55 that still needs some improvement, but it's the concept Jul 12 02:47:04 I really have to make this app smaller... *sigh* ... it's taking ages to upload :( Jul 12 02:49:48 haeffb, the shadow is cut Jul 12 02:55:01 dawm: under the left wing? Jul 12 02:55:07 yeah Jul 12 02:55:22 well the left wing shadow is cut off **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 12 02:59:57 2011