**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 16 02:59:57 2011 Jul 16 03:07:07 haeffb: have you seen this? Jul 16 03:07:07 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/288423-warning-plea-help-touchpad-loses-data.html Jul 16 03:17:31 oh dang, xecutah is in testing now? Jul 16 03:18:24 sweet! Jul 16 03:19:50 it is, you need the beta doctor apparently, for a keyboard Jul 16 03:20:08 at least on TP Jul 16 03:20:43 * DougReeder waves hello Jul 16 03:20:47 hi Jul 16 03:21:57 What exciting topics are under discussion tonight? Jul 16 03:22:28 as far as I can tell, nothing? what would you like to talk about? :) Jul 16 03:22:44 DougReeder: we are talking about unicorns and ligers. Jul 16 03:23:27 summatusmentis: hrm, is that 3.0.2? Jul 16 03:23:52 cxreg: it doesn't say Jul 16 03:23:59 i would have to think so Jul 16 03:24:01 I'm assuming it's whatever the OTA is Jul 16 03:24:10 since that's the early access version currently and is the announced ota version Jul 16 03:24:46 well, you'd have to be a part of the EA program to know what that version is Jul 16 03:25:13 lol, irony. i can't sign in to developer.palm.com on the pad's browser Jul 16 03:25:23 the signin form inputs dont bring up the keyboard Jul 16 03:25:26 and rainbows? Jul 16 03:25:32 really? that's irritating Jul 16 03:26:48 hm, working this time Jul 16 03:26:52 maybe js was acting weird Jul 16 03:28:09 All 37signals services are down. The good side is I get to test how well my app responds to "try again later" messages. Jul 16 03:30:18 too bad i dont have my bluetooth kbd currently Jul 16 03:31:00 Tibfib, is a liger the offspring of a male lion and a female tiger, or the other way around? Jul 16 03:31:30 that is what we have been debating Jul 16 03:31:36 what's your opinion on the matter? Jul 16 03:32:08 It's been decades since I read about them. :-S Jul 16 03:32:58 If I had to guess, male lion. Jul 16 03:35:23 You got more milage out of these questions before the WWW. :-( Jul 16 03:35:54 heh Jul 16 03:36:07 I am going to gamble the other way Jul 16 03:36:11 male tiger, female lion Jul 16 03:36:24 i believe i read that PDK apps cannot access the camera, is that right? Jul 16 03:36:53 so is it possible to develop any kind of videoconf software currently? would that be possible with the sdk? Jul 16 03:39:13 all i see in the sdk is "capture" which doesnt help Jul 16 03:41:59 FWIW, I'd find it more useful to show someone video of what I'm looking at, than my face. Jul 16 03:42:34 hm? Jul 16 03:42:40 pad only has one camera Jul 16 03:45:45 I was thinking of phones. Jul 16 03:47:55 Do you need a different binary for the TP vs phones? Jul 16 04:02:45 I'm off to play Glyder 2 again. [waves goodbye] Jul 16 04:08:28 hrrrrrrmmmm Jul 16 04:25:00 Does anyone know if there's a 'pattern unlock' method, kind of like with Android, for webOS? Jul 16 04:28:15 afaik, there's not, but I don't know for sure Jul 16 04:42:09 fxspec06: nice changelog :P Jul 16 04:42:46 thanks Jul 16 04:42:48 lollllllllllll Jul 16 04:42:57 i can't believe tho Jul 16 04:43:03 that i forgot to make jake and noah green. Jul 16 04:43:16 that was the last thing i was gonna do before i sent out and i forgot Jul 16 04:43:35 then send out another? Jul 16 04:43:44 lol Jul 16 04:43:49 i'd be a pain in the ass Jul 16 04:43:53 okay Jul 16 04:43:54 i will Jul 16 04:44:10 tomorrow Jul 16 04:44:36 lol Jul 16 04:44:37 ok Jul 16 04:46:10 wow. i got so much done today Jul 16 05:09:33 hey mattsmcnulty! Jul 16 05:09:37 hey there Jul 16 05:09:59 how's ares/enyo comin? Jul 16 05:10:08 actually quite exciting Jul 16 05:10:15 awesome! Jul 16 05:10:36 I'll be waiting for the ODD to release ;) Jul 16 05:10:44 heh Jul 16 05:17:00 Mike9863: you could make one! Jul 16 05:17:10 what are we making? Jul 16 05:17:23 Pattern unlock rather than pin/password, PatrickC. Jul 16 05:17:34 that's being done iirc Jul 16 05:17:48 I've been looking but unable to find anything Jul 16 05:18:02 cxreg: there's several QR code apps, so it should be possible some way or another Jul 16 05:18:10 devsandfriends did it Jul 16 05:18:24 hola mattsmcnulty Jul 16 05:18:29 dwc-: I haven't done any development yet, though I've considered getting into it. Though a pattern unlock seems pretty difficult, I'm not sure I'd be able to do that :P Jul 16 05:18:41 hey halfhalo Jul 16 05:18:57 I expect a "sir" after that for the rest of the summer ;-) Jul 16 05:19:13 no, no, go for "master" Jul 16 05:19:26 lol Jul 16 05:19:38 Mike9863: if you do it, count me in to help if needed Jul 16 05:19:43 mattsmcnulty: psh Jul 16 05:20:17 PatrickC: Sure. Is developer.palm.com the place to get started with developing? Jul 16 05:20:20 people these days... Jul 16 05:20:24 yes Jul 16 05:20:27 Alright, thanks. Jul 16 05:21:23 well, thats new. luna crashed on the touchpad. Jul 16 05:21:56 luna is the codename for webos. I assume you mean lunasysmgr Jul 16 05:22:15 si senor Jul 16 05:24:33 what did you do that caused that? Jul 16 05:24:50 probably used it, like all the other times it crashes on the phones :p Jul 16 05:25:02 Mike9863: http://you​tu.be/dSUU​ysxsTLQ Jul 16 05:25:25 Mike9863: sorry, bad link Jul 16 05:25:44 that is a good question. only thing open was the brower and I was throwing away random cards from it. meh, first time for everything. Jul 16 05:26:02 fixed* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8G5WXXgJ3E&feature=youtube_gdata_player Jul 16 05:26:43 Mike9863: ^^ unlock pattern already in dev.. Jul 16 05:26:56 Hm, I see Jul 16 05:28:23 * halfhalo goes back to hulu since he now has proper internet but is still lacking tv at home Jul 16 05:29:01 I can't seem to find where to install it though, unfortunately. I suppose I can wait until it's officially released. Hopefully it will be soon. Jul 16 05:32:28 halfhalo should probably be packing? Jul 16 05:32:32 look, a wild dkirker appeared! Jul 16 05:32:59 mattsmcnulty: the important stuff (IE computers) IS packed, thankyouverymuch Jul 16 05:33:17 uh, is that a pokeball you're holding? Jul 16 05:33:17 hello Jul 16 05:33:28 pokeball?... Jul 16 05:33:53 pokeball, painted rock, same difference. Jul 16 05:33:54 mattsmcnulty: great to see you finally hired halfhalo to trawl through all the error messages in /var/log/messages ... Jul 16 05:33:55 was after my time, so I'm not sure, but I think "a wild appeared!" is a pokemon thing Jul 16 05:34:36 ah, oh yes Jul 16 05:36:04 rwhitby: I love how you asked about var/log/messages, so I asked the right person, and was not told the truth Jul 16 05:36:09 weeks ago Jul 16 05:36:12 corrected now Jul 16 05:37:35 that'll be one less patch we need to forward-port then :) Jul 16 05:37:48 still plenty of message left in there for halfhalo though. Jul 16 05:38:09 * halfhalo points logs to /dev/null Jul 16 05:38:10 halfhalo will have much more important stuff to do, like fetch coffee Jul 16 05:38:12 MOVING ON Jul 16 05:38:29 and donuts Jul 16 05:38:33 and learning how to keep his mouth shut! Jul 16 05:38:45 * halfhalo whistles Jul 16 05:39:00 because the world cannot know about our halographic 3d tablet coming out next week Jul 16 05:39:02 oh crap Jul 16 05:39:09 half halographic? Jul 16 05:39:15 lol Jul 16 05:39:27 hah Jul 16 05:39:31 that's why we made him an intern - to get the other half Jul 16 05:39:33 halfhalographic would be e-ink, right? Jul 16 05:40:13 it just keeps saying "Help me, Obi-Wan Keno" and that's it Jul 16 05:40:26 * halfhalo cant find the one working phone he has again.... dammit. Jul 16 05:41:25 this happens way to much to be normal. Jul 16 05:41:44 good thing you will have multiple phones soon Jul 16 05:41:54 3 or 4 sprint pre's. that Jul 16 05:41:58 that's what interns get Jul 16 05:42:04 palm v, palm iii, palm.... Jul 16 05:42:09 haha Jul 16 05:42:24 I _had_ multiple phones. then the veer broke. and i gave the pre2 to my boss to replace his waterlogged iphone. so now I'm down to the winphone for att. Jul 16 05:42:38 giving bosses things is a good instinct Jul 16 05:43:07 i always mark all the equipment i want to keep "broken" Jul 16 05:43:23 maybe you can get that veer RMA'd Jul 16 05:44:18 I cant wait for tomorrow! :D Jul 16 05:44:33 what's tomorrow? Jul 16 05:44:33 the white veer is literally cracked like an egg Jul 16 05:44:47 saturday? Jul 16 05:44:55 mattsmcnulty: ill make a frankenpre2 Jul 16 05:45:07 other than a day I don't have to commute to sunnyvale Jul 16 05:45:34 more important than that is sunday, which is when i drive up. and then after that monday, which is when i start. and then hopefully tuesday, which is when hr will actually have a place for me. Jul 16 05:46:08 followed by your boss going on vacation for like 10 days Jul 16 05:46:18 good man! Jul 16 05:46:29 who's your boss? Jul 16 05:46:34 only 10 days? psh Jul 16 05:47:13 PatrickC: starting monday mattsmcnulty is my boss. Jul 16 05:47:18 better make sure he knows who he should deliver coffee to while you're gone Jul 16 05:47:20 cool Jul 16 05:47:23 tony danza ? Jul 16 05:47:39 just fyi, I know a place 2-3 miles east he could deliver it to Jul 16 05:47:50 psh. Jul 16 05:47:55 I like mine black Jul 16 05:48:53 halfhalo: what will you be doing? working on enyo/ares? Jul 16 05:49:23 what he will be doing is Jul 16 05:49:31 awesome! Jul 16 05:49:39 oh crap, forgot about that Camageddon crap on the 405. I shall be pissed if that causes traffic for me. Jul 16 05:49:41 yeah is awesome Jul 16 05:50:04 I'll look in to see what he's doin Jul 16 05:50:26 may be cool, but [REDACTED] is way better. Jul 16 05:52:39 that's ok, you can say my name instead of [REDACTED] Jul 16 05:53:14 hah Jul 16 05:53:26 Enjo? Jul 16 05:55:27 alright gents, heading to sleep Jul 16 05:55:28 night Jul 16 05:55:38 night. Jul 16 05:56:50 night matter Jul 16 05:56:54 mattsmcnulty* Jul 16 05:57:32 yeah... monday is going to be weird. Jul 16 05:57:41 anyone here heard of Powernet Global? Jul 16 05:58:19 * halfhalo shall continue his tradition od showing up to webos related things with a random phone that is not related to webos at all. Jul 16 06:00:05 my friends dad used to own Powernet Global Jul 16 06:01:33 should we have? Jul 16 06:04:10 its an old company Jul 16 06:04:26 took on AOL, but his dad decided to do other things, and sold it Jul 16 06:10:43 hey guys Jul 16 06:12:56 is everyone asleep Jul 16 06:12:58 lol Jul 16 06:13:16 nope Jul 16 06:13:28 no ? Jul 16 06:13:36 so ur busy playing my game then Jul 16 06:13:45 I'm not asleep Jul 16 06:13:47 lol Jul 16 06:13:56 I'm busy looking at Impostah Jul 16 06:14:02 frankenpre2'ing tomorrow Jul 16 06:16:45 i see Jul 16 06:17:05 and now I'm off to sleep :) Jul 16 06:17:13 gotta be rested for the comms board swap Jul 16 06:17:38 night Jul 16 06:58:34 halfhalo: show up with the old Zack Morris motorola phone Jul 16 12:45:22 Hello.. Is there any established convention for accessing application-wide data in Mojo? Jul 16 12:45:56 I have some data in an array (at least for now just an array), and different scenes in my app display the data in different ways Jul 16 12:46:07 Just putting it into the global namespace feels ugly :) Jul 16 13:21:48 zomg: that's what most peeps do Jul 16 13:22:02 you could put your data in the Mojo namespace, but you have to be careful it isn't overwritten Jul 16 13:30:02 Tibfib_: okay, guess I'll just use my own namespace for it or something then Jul 16 13:30:10 thanks Jul 16 13:30:29 np Jul 16 14:17:56 roy-pre101: ping Jul 16 14:25:20 Tibfib: Poing Jul 16 15:37:26 twbbas: I sorta fixed the clipping issue, it seems that opacity+rotation is buggy in webOS webkit. I made the items blink instead of animating the opacity :( I'll update later to 0.9.9 Jul 16 15:43:08 NuttyBunny: Good to hear Jul 16 15:44:16 Yep... hey, do the rotating popups work fine? on the phone it leaves item traces all over the screen Jul 16 16:14:15 Anyone have issues with a touchpad putting a black box upper right of their screen? Jul 16 16:14:32 I have an email written but can't send due to this blank dialog box over it Jul 16 16:17:08 hey all Jul 16 16:18:06 Lumiere: Can you take a screenshot? Jul 16 16:18:13 Hey PatrickC Jul 16 16:18:14 hey twbbas Jul 16 16:18:25 how do I see how many people I referred? Jul 16 16:18:33 Go to klout and click perks Jul 16 16:18:43 once the page is fully loaded then it should be near the top Jul 16 16:18:57 ok Jul 16 16:19:40 twbbas: too late, I already kicked a reboot Jul 16 16:19:47 twbbas: but I can describe it Jul 16 16:20:49 only 2 :/ Jul 16 16:21:13 it was a about 1/10th of the screen size black partially transparent with rounded corners just under the notification/upper right corner menu and was also present centered in the screen when the device was locked Jul 16 16:21:17 Lumiere: I've never had it but was just curious what it looked like Jul 16 16:21:43 It sounds like the box that pops up when you hold the power button or plug the device into a computer Jul 16 16:22:03 except holding down the power button got me a power dialog (smaller) Jul 16 16:22:13 oh Jul 16 16:22:33 Lumiere: want a Spotify invite? :) Jul 16 16:22:43 what is spotify Jul 16 16:22:56 http://spotify.com Jul 16 16:23:04 are you in the US? Jul 16 16:23:08 yea Jul 16 16:23:18 man, what a pusher Jul 16 16:23:25 dwc-: haha Jul 16 16:23:32 Lumiere: its better then Pandora Jul 16 16:23:34 imho Jul 16 16:24:24 I'll live for now Jul 16 16:24:39 ok, i've got 3 invites left for free accts. Jul 16 16:25:00 obv you should just invite yourself 3 times so you can get 3x the invites Jul 16 16:25:07 lol Jul 16 16:25:32 PatrickC: Just make 3 random twitter accounts Jul 16 16:25:46 eh, I'll give 'em to people who will use them Jul 16 16:26:08 Actually I don't think making random accounts would work Jul 16 16:26:17 I think for it to work you need a specific "influencer" rating on Klout Jul 16 16:26:20 or something like that Jul 16 16:26:35 brb making a sandwich Jul 16 16:33:05 good morning Jul 16 16:33:11 i slept very late today Jul 16 16:34:26 lol Jul 16 16:34:32 * PatrickC was playing WNVP Jul 16 16:34:37 WnVP* Jul 16 16:34:51 u were playing windows media player? Jul 16 16:34:58 that's an awesome game Jul 16 16:35:14 i usually don't win. but sometimes it successfully launches Jul 16 16:35:15 lol Jul 16 16:35:20 W*n*VP Jul 16 16:35:51 fxspec06: I think you just might know what game I'm talking about Jul 16 16:35:54 not sure though Jul 16 16:35:56 bbl Jul 16 16:36:04 wnvp Jul 16 16:36:09 lol hahaha Jul 16 16:36:11 hey fellers Jul 16 16:36:40 hey funkatron Jul 16 16:36:43 fxspec06: ;) Jul 16 16:36:47 any of you written a custom UI component for Enyo? Jul 16 16:36:55 nope Jul 16 16:36:56 I'm trying to do so and having issues Jul 16 16:36:56 not yet Jul 16 16:37:03 funkatron: oh, the textarea one? Jul 16 16:37:07 Tibfib_: yeah Jul 16 16:37:22 hmm, yeah I wondered how to do something like that Jul 16 16:37:23 no clue Jul 16 16:37:28 I am having issues getting to correct value for the component Jul 16 16:37:56 funkatron: best of luck mate, bbl Jul 16 16:37:57 afaict I'm doing everything right, but it just doesn't see what I've typed Jul 16 16:37:59 heh Jul 16 16:38:05 ;) Jul 16 17:40:25 http://www.precentral.net/advanced-browser-bringing-tabs-search-and-more-touchpad Jul 16 17:40:27 find in page ftw. Jul 16 17:44:19 I think someone wrote a patch for that Jul 16 17:44:27 for the stock browser Jul 16 17:48:09 i know i saw that Jul 16 17:48:16 that's awesome Jul 16 17:49:17 Florence and the Vending Machine #fatbands lololol Jul 16 17:49:37 This is one of my favorite twitter trends right now Jul 16 17:49:53 trying to install preware on my touchpad. it's stuck on 'installing org.webosinternals.preware_1.7. dot dot dot. tips? Jul 16 17:50:21 reboot Jul 16 17:50:34 ? Jul 16 17:50:56 reboot the touchpad? Jul 16 17:51:02 ya Jul 16 17:51:16 or even luna reboot Jul 16 17:51:17 okok Jul 16 17:51:35 that's the power and card view button together? Jul 16 17:51:46 yeah for like 6 secs Jul 16 17:51:50 i think Jul 16 17:56:23 alright. well Jul 16 17:57:06 well it won't reboot. Jul 16 17:57:17 holding the power button, for even 20 seconds, simply puts it in sleep mode. Jul 16 17:58:51 then just hold the power button and hit the home button like a bunch of times in a row Jul 16 17:59:00 it'll take like 20 screenshots but it will reboot Jul 16 18:00:03 phew Jul 16 18:00:11 lol Jul 16 18:00:14 lol yeah it took loads of screenshots. Jul 16 18:00:18 haha Jul 16 18:00:37 meanwhle my sprint rep told me my replacement pre- is ready for pickup. Jul 16 18:00:43 at last. Jul 16 18:00:47 nice! Jul 16 18:00:50 I'm surprised they have any of those Jul 16 18:00:53 too bad they don't have anything better. Jul 16 18:00:54 all week it's been gimped. Jul 16 18:00:57 lol yeah me too Jul 16 18:01:05 just as i was leaving on vacation. grr Jul 16 18:02:12 touchpad froze on bootup. uh oh Jul 16 18:03:08 =O Jul 16 18:03:14 do moar screenshots Jul 16 18:03:22 all i have is the hp logo. Jul 16 18:04:25 wehn did you get it? Jul 16 18:04:35 7th Jul 16 18:04:47 preordered. Jul 16 18:05:00 well it's stuck. Jul 16 18:05:08 i guess all i can do is let it run its battery down. Jul 16 18:05:32 it won't reboot when u press power and home Jul 16 18:05:42 oh try Jul 16 18:05:47 holding the volume key Jul 16 18:05:48 power Jul 16 18:05:49 and home Jul 16 18:05:54 or other combinations of such Jul 16 18:06:10 i read somewhere that the volume key also is involved in some hard reboot thing Jul 16 18:07:37 omg Jul 16 18:07:52 * fxspec06 just found the reason something wasn't working in his app Jul 16 18:07:56 like a huge thing too Jul 16 18:08:00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 16 18:08:29 oh? which app? Jul 16 18:09:27 wildn video poker Jul 16 18:09:33 unreleased yet Jul 16 18:09:37 next week Jul 16 18:09:52 i'm planning on submitting in 5 days or less Jul 16 18:11:09 freaking variable scope issue Jul 16 18:11:21 can't define x somewhere Jul 16 18:11:26 when it's already somewhere else Jul 16 18:11:56 yeah Jul 16 18:12:54 same with x, y, and w Jul 16 18:13:16 i hope this is the reason anyways. i've narrowed the problem to a single function Jul 16 18:13:53 OMG........ Jul 16 18:14:00 * fxspec06 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Jul 16 18:16:05 good job Jul 16 18:16:54 lol yay! Jul 16 18:17:06 ever since i added villo. i couldn't figure it out Jul 16 18:17:10 and i had to work around them Jul 16 18:17:19 but NOW IT'S FIXED Jul 16 18:17:24 yayyy Jul 16 18:17:33 they add so much to the menus. Jul 16 18:18:40 yo yo, wut up Jul 16 18:19:50 remind me NEVER to use single character variables in important functions Jul 16 18:20:12 don't use single character variables in important functions. Jul 16 18:20:16 thank you Jul 16 18:20:17 lol Jul 16 18:20:47 so anyway, i'm on the phone with hp butler service. Jul 16 18:20:56 he's conferring with an engineer Jul 16 18:21:04 how did I not know of Date.now() Jul 16 18:21:12 my touchpad is hosed at the moment. Jul 16 18:21:23 what is Date.now() Jul 16 18:21:37 i know of var x = new Date(); Jul 16 18:21:45 samething as new Date().getTime() except not creating a new date object Jul 16 18:21:45 then like Jul 16 18:21:53 mojo format etc Jul 16 18:22:00 oh i see Jul 16 18:22:06 i will look at it Jul 16 18:22:26 not supported in ie8 apparently Jul 16 18:22:30 I think it's supported in webOS Jul 16 18:29:26 man, the butler service reminds me of my days at applecare. Jul 16 18:30:11 not really trained on the products, but rather reliant on a database of solutions. and if it doesn't come up, you confer with the 'engineer' Jul 16 18:31:34 could someone please dcc send me webos doctor for the touchpad? Jul 16 18:42:57 I'm guessing a scene doesn't have a model similar to widgets or Mojo.View.render thingers can have, right? Jul 16 18:43:08 Judging from the fact it's never mentioned anywhere, but just wanna confirm =) Jul 16 18:48:27 zomg: it does iirc Jul 16 18:48:30 you just never see it Jul 16 18:49:19 eh, kind of. Jul 16 18:49:37 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/classes/mojo-controller-stagecontroller.html#mojo.controller.stagecontroller.pushscenescenearguments Jul 16 18:50:34 I did try using #{test} in a template for a scene but didn't seem to get populated from any obvious sources (this.test, this.model.test or anything) Jul 16 18:51:16 Guess I'll just have to create separate templates and use View.render if I want the convenience Jul 16 18:59:58 lol, if all else fails, read the script source and do it yourself. Jul 16 19:00:30 java kept giving me a fatal exception while trying to get the webos doctor. Jul 16 19:12:47 crap. my keydown is firing more than once Jul 16 19:16:26 Is it possible to download a folder full of files instead of that folder zipped up as a single file? Jul 16 19:16:39 (I'm trying to see if I can avoid having to do a node.js service to unzip) Jul 16 19:22:58 what folder Jul 16 19:23:11 just a folder hosted on my server Jul 16 19:23:38 grab a list of files in the folder, then grab each file in the list? Jul 16 19:24:51 eh, I think I'll make another attempt at using node.js with enyo Jul 16 19:25:01 anyone know of any good tutorials on this? or any tutorial? Jul 16 19:25:36 I found: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=15797 but I just don't know how to setup a service Jul 16 19:28:05 how the heck do i stop this key event from screwing up Jul 16 19:29:54 okay folks, feedback needed Jul 16 19:30:03 first, second, or third: http://screencast.com/t/iekiClSi Jul 16 19:30:06 nope i hate it. Jul 16 19:30:08 ignore the top toolbar Jul 16 19:30:16 the TOP TOP toolbar Jul 16 19:30:26 the card headers are what I'm looking at Jul 16 19:31:24 hmmmmm Jul 16 19:31:30 i say third is the best Jul 16 19:31:45 that's what I'm leaning towards too Jul 16 19:31:46 thanks! Jul 16 19:31:48 anyone else? Jul 16 19:33:13 2nd Jul 16 19:33:23 eh 3rd looks good too Jul 16 19:33:36 Can't decide if I like bold the best or note Jul 16 19:33:39 not* Jul 16 19:33:48 yeah Jul 16 19:34:03 It seems too big Jul 16 19:34:08 I'm gonna stick with #2 Jul 16 19:34:52 hmm what if I just decrease the font-size? Jul 16 19:35:02 That might work Jul 16 19:35:04 I like how the bold letters stand out Jul 16 19:35:08 Yeah me too Jul 16 19:35:14 tibfib: how the heck did you solve the keypress event glitch, like for the song ratings in koto Jul 16 19:35:23 fxspec06: say what? Jul 16 19:36:02 i'm having trouble w/ my keydown event. it's like firing a buttload of times Jul 16 19:36:18 idk what's wrong Jul 16 19:36:39 this.iconChange = this.iconChange.bind(this); Jul 16 19:36:40 Mojo.Event.listen(this.controller.document, "keydown", this.iconChange.bind(this)); Jul 16 19:37:10 you are binding the function twice Jul 16 19:37:40 which is probably why you are having the issue Jul 16 19:38:49 NuttyBunny: ping Jul 16 19:40:45 webos butler service is a joke Jul 16 19:43:05 have you experienced it yet? Jul 16 19:43:10 yes Jul 16 19:43:37 I thought they weren't launching it until the 17th? Jul 16 19:44:31 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/na/touchpad/touchpad/wifi/solutions/article/66149_en.html Jul 16 19:44:51 i'm talking with tier 2 Jul 16 19:45:12 i had to explain to both tier 1 and tier 2 that webosdoctor isn't platform specific since it is written in java Jul 16 19:45:32 and that i've been using my launch day pre - and have doctored it a number of occasions. Jul 16 19:45:54 twbbas: found out the default color is not black. Color: black; font-size: 15px looks good Jul 16 19:46:19 cool Jul 16 19:52:07 Bah, why is my app catalog missing so much stuff :( stupid country limitations Jul 16 19:55:22 Hah! Jul 16 19:55:27 Dodged that one, thanks Impostah :D Jul 16 19:55:50 wanted spotify but for whatever reason it wasn't visible... Thankfully Impostah has that neat feature for installing country limited apps =) Jul 16 19:56:41 * haeffb bought a 32GB for the wife Jul 16 20:03:35 Hoot Jul 16 20:03:53 whatta Jul 16 20:07:23 Ya finally sorting my pixi out again Jul 16 20:19:43 * halfhalo yawns Jul 16 20:24:44 * rrix just yawned IRL, thanks :< Jul 16 20:27:00 ugh my node.js service can't be found when I try to call it Jul 16 20:36:24 service not available Jul 16 20:39:11 fourohfour service not found Jul 16 20:39:35 yay my touchpad is bricked Jul 16 20:39:43 :o Jul 16 20:41:56 How do I package an app with a service in it? I think that may be the problem. Jul 16 20:42:11 palm-package applicationFolder serviceFolder packageFolder right? Jul 16 20:43:54 trying to understand how navit is useful in the touchpad with no gps Jul 16 20:44:04 it's not Jul 16 20:51:53 Has anyone get mediacapture working in enyo? Jul 16 20:52:18 NuttyBunny: I'm trying to make a hello world service right now Jul 16 20:52:30 Having some trouble with calling it though. Say it's not available Jul 16 20:53:03 twbbas: the node.js one? yep, I had the same issue... I left it there and moved on to other things :) Jul 16 20:54:09 I don't know of any other way to unzip a file though :( Jul 16 20:54:47 Are you using webosInternals hello app? Jul 16 20:56:42 I downloaded a few examples but I'm also going through the tutorial Jul 16 21:03:14 Woot! Jul 16 21:03:16 Success! Jul 16 21:03:19 (I think) Jul 16 21:04:02 rly? which one? Jul 16 21:04:25 ok so it's calling the success function but it still says service not available in the logs Jul 16 21:04:40 NuttyBunny: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/js-services/creating-hello-world-service.html Jul 16 21:04:47 I'm replacing the mojo stuff with enyo Jul 16 21:05:02 ok, gonna try it again Jul 16 21:05:48 Why is this calling the success function when the service is still not available :S Jul 16 21:08:42 NuttyBunny: I'm gonna throw up a post on the developer forum Jul 16 21:20:31 morning Jul 16 21:22:23 Morning. Jul 16 21:24:16 evening :) Jul 16 21:25:07 rwhitby: Logged in to my Veer profile on my Pre2 using Impostah, paid apps suddenly work. Is there any data you want from the device? Jul 16 21:31:18 afternoon Jul 16 21:32:20 Hendikins: that's pretty much expected now Jul 16 21:34:47 * Hendikins nods, just hasn't seen reports of it working with a profile from another phone yet - just touchpad profiles. Jul 16 21:35:09 ...and found some. Jul 16 21:53:12 NuttyBunny: How's the tutorial going? Jul 16 21:54:55 tutorial? :) gonna try again. Jul 16 21:57:38 I can't get past my problem of the service not being available Jul 16 21:57:58 When I try to call any other third-party service, it says not available too Jul 16 21:58:02 I just don't get it Jul 16 21:58:37 twbbas, does your appid contain minuses? Jul 16 21:58:59 phoque: Nope. com.palmdts.helloworld.app Jul 16 22:01:06 hmm Jul 16 22:03:59 Also, when I novaterm to the services directory and try to run any service, I get invalid service path Jul 16 22:04:29 but I can see the list of services right there in the directory Jul 16 22:04:50 bnceo, twbbas , haeffb, (who else has TP?), could you try and see if you find odd things?: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/photofun/com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta_0.9.9_all.ipk Jul 16 22:05:12 twbbas: I'm waaay behind you Jul 16 22:05:37 NuttyBunny: Is it in Preware too? Jul 16 22:05:49 yup, latest version Jul 16 22:05:53 Alright Jul 16 22:06:13 should no longer clip the items Jul 16 22:06:27 weird it says I already have 0.9.9 installed Jul 16 22:06:34 I'm removing then re-installing Jul 16 22:08:23 weird :) Jul 16 22:09:24 NuttyBunny: After I load my pic and shrink it, I still can't move it. I had to resize it slightly and then I was able to move it Jul 16 22:10:15 close app, open app, load pic, tap on photo and try to move it (don't resize it, just tap) Jul 16 22:10:22 I thought I had fixed that Jul 16 22:10:28 I'll do that in a sec Jul 16 22:10:43 The first time I loaded up the hats menu, there were duplicates of each hat Jul 16 22:11:01 then I loaded it up a second time, and now there's only a duplicate of the partyhat at the end Jul 16 22:11:17 Some hats were missing that first time too. Like they were replaced with duplicates Jul 16 22:11:42 It seems that there are consistently two identical partyhats at the end of the menu each time I load it up Jul 16 22:12:33 uh oh Jul 16 22:12:37 Found that menu bug again Jul 16 22:12:53 where most of it is covered by something blank Jul 16 22:13:40 there are also duplicates of items Jul 16 22:13:43 in that menu Jul 16 22:13:50 really?? I think I'll have to get rid of every opacity bit everywhere :@ Jul 16 22:14:17 Want pics? Jul 16 22:14:45 Woa Jul 16 22:15:02 I rotated to portrait and back and now there are blank lines going through the part of the items that I can see Jul 16 22:15:57 stupid webkit version Palm is using... argh!!! Jul 16 22:17:15 twbbas: help me here, can you edit just the PhotoFun.css file and delete "opacity" from line 22 so it says: -webkit-transition-property: -webkit-transform; ? Jul 16 22:17:55 How do I get to your app directory? I have internalz installed but don't know how to get to it Jul 16 22:18:57 nevermind I randomly found it lol Jul 16 22:19:48 cool Jul 16 22:20:10 hmm Internalz doesn't seem to have a back button in its text editor Jul 16 22:20:28 nvm Jul 16 22:21:10 menu-save, right? :) Jul 16 22:21:24 Yup Jul 16 22:21:30 I think that fixed it Jul 16 22:21:32 haven't run into the problem yet Jul 16 22:22:02 Still duplicates of the partyhat but that may just be in your code Jul 16 22:22:31 haha the glasses and nose image is priceless Jul 16 22:22:42 Yep, that's another issue. Hey, does dragging the items to the trashcan work? Jul 16 22:22:54 It worked here before but I think I broke it somehow :) Jul 16 22:23:25 no, it doesn't Jul 16 22:23:29 trashcan doesn't open either Jul 16 22:23:41 (when dragging) Jul 16 22:24:02 mmm... ok, but it works by selecting item+tapping trashcan Jul 16 22:24:06 yup Jul 16 22:25:03 ok. Well, I think I'll call it. 0.9.9 will be the last "stable" release. Now to create the service and let the baby grow :D Jul 16 22:25:15 nice Jul 16 22:25:21 Let me know if you get anywhere with it Jul 16 22:28:19 Yup. I found the trashcan bug as well. z-index issues, the item was over the can :D Thanks! Jul 16 22:29:45 no problem. Happy to help Jul 16 23:07:15 It seems like my app WILL have camera support as well!!! :D Jul 16 23:19:06 NuttyBunny: How so? I thought enyo didn't have camera apis Jul 16 23:20:03 NuttyBunny: i'd like to see your app. i bet it's amazing Jul 16 23:21:22 NuttyBunny: Oh nvm. I just saw the thing :D Jul 16 23:21:59 twbbas.. *GRIN* Jul 16 23:22:06 fxspec06: you have TouchPad? Jul 16 23:23:10 I think I'm gonna follow that node.js tutorial exactly and make a mojo app that calls the service. Then if that works, migrate it to enyo. Jul 16 23:24:01 twbbas: I'm thinking of the same, I was trying to integrate the tutorial to my app (of course, I seem to be missing some crucial steps, whichever they are) ;) Jul 16 23:26:49 ah nope no touchpad. Jul 16 23:26:54 hopefully next month Jul 16 23:30:35 you may try with a phone with enyo, but it's somewhat buggy. At least it gives you an idea. Jul 16 23:34:58 twbbas: I think my problem is that I'm cramping the service inside the app directory. The tutorial works fine on my phone Jul 16 23:35:18 did you do the tutorial in mojo or enyo Jul 16 23:35:27 twbbas: It says: "one directory for the app, one for the package, one for the service". (Mojo first) Jul 16 23:35:44 Yeah that's what I did but tried to jump it straight to enyo Jul 16 23:35:47 starting a mojo version now Jul 16 23:40:55 Mojo version runs perfectly fine Jul 16 23:41:24 ok. Trying to convert mojo to enyo ;) Jul 16 23:41:43 same Jul 16 23:46:59 ugh Jul 16 23:47:07 still calling the success function but service not found Jul 16 23:47:55 * twbbas hopes NuttyBunny gets it to work Jul 16 23:48:11 * NuttyBunny hope that as well Jul 17 00:27:58 NuttyBunny: Any luck? Jul 17 00:41:03 twbbas: Yep, working, lemme pack it and send it to you Jul 17 00:41:35 just made it work in fact. I used the same same service. Jul 17 00:41:51 Great to hear. Thanks Jul 17 00:41:57 Can't wait to see what you're doing differently Jul 17 00:45:50 * NuttyBunny has earned the power of Enyo to Mojo (services included) :D Jul 17 00:45:56 no... Jul 17 00:46:05 * NuttyBunny has earned the power of Mojo to Enyo (services included) :D Jul 17 00:54:45 * twbbas has too Jul 17 00:54:51 no... Jul 17 00:54:55 * twbbas has too with NuttyBunny's help Jul 17 00:55:31 Man I'm so excited I got this working Jul 17 00:59:39 me 2 :D I'll be able to make a really small ipk and download everything I need, checking if the files already exist with the service, the capture will use it as well :D Jul 17 01:00:28 Are you going to download a zip file with everything? Jul 17 01:00:35 or each file individually Jul 17 01:06:43 The idea is: Thumbnails (10k max), previews(100kmax), and full files. The thumbnails and maybe previews should go with the ipk, and the full files should get downloaded, perhaps on first run (or every run if some failed to download) Jul 17 01:07:37 that way I can control what the users see :D Jul 17 01:08:29 brb Jul 17 01:23:14 yAY! Jul 17 01:23:19 my greader is coming together Jul 17 01:26:40 it's almost usable Jul 17 01:26:43 8D Jul 17 01:33:27 Contrats Tibfib Jul 17 01:33:36 uh, thanks! Jul 17 01:39:23 How do you play a movie file on the TouchPad? Jul 17 01:39:35 I have a mp4 and I can't get it to show up in the Photos and Videos app. :/ Jul 17 01:44:55 oh no... what have I done?! I broke services or something lol Jul 17 01:48:33 hehehe... :D Jul 17 01:48:58 anyone know how to play a move? :p Jul 17 01:49:00 movie Jul 17 01:49:14 Yep, it should appear IF it's in the correct format Jul 17 01:49:23 if it works on an ipod it should work there Jul 17 01:49:36 does it in a specific folder? Jul 17 01:49:43 er, does it have to be? Jul 17 01:54:17 nope. I put them in Videos. Now, there's a media indexing bug in webOS, restart your TouchPad and see if it appears now, also, use usb mode again and see if the file size is correct. Jul 17 01:56:48 ugh I broke my services Jul 17 01:56:51 don't know what I did Jul 17 01:57:02 *all* your services? ;) Jul 17 01:57:13 NuttyBunny: Both your example (that I haven't touched) and my app stopped working with the services Jul 17 01:57:21 no idea if ALL services are broken Jul 17 01:57:34 hmm Jul 17 01:57:43 * twbbas redownloads NuttyBunny's example Jul 17 02:01:07 Well how about that Jul 17 02:01:11 your example works now Jul 17 02:01:16 I must have changed something by accident Jul 17 02:01:30 hehehe Jul 17 02:01:38 mark it as read-only ;) Jul 17 02:02:06 haha good idea Jul 17 02:04:33 hmmmm Jul 17 02:05:02 My unzip code is creating the folder for the unzipped files but isn't actually unzipping anything Jul 17 02:05:20 * twbbas needs to learn node.js instead of just hacking his way through it Jul 17 02:05:53 whattt Jul 17 02:05:59 my unzip code works fine the second time Jul 17 02:06:06 (after folder had already been created) Jul 17 02:06:08 weird Jul 17 02:07:43 race condition? it's unzipping before the folder is created Jul 17 02:08:00 ah probably Jul 17 02:08:21 com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta: PhotoFun.serviceSuccess(): Success Data: "Hello World!" :D Jul 17 02:08:51 Nice! Media capture works now? Jul 17 02:09:22 no, no, media capture comes with webOS 3.0. ;) after the OTA update Jul 17 02:09:55 I'm still waiting for docs on that. The "capture" I was talking about is the canvas image capture for my app Jul 17 02:09:57 wait I thought media capture meant you can save the files now Jul 17 02:10:04 yeah that Jul 17 02:10:08 you got that working? Jul 17 02:10:23 not yet, but it shouldn't take long :D Jul 17 02:11:31 nice Jul 17 02:11:38 well I am proud that my unzip is working now Jul 17 02:11:44 spent most of the day doing it Jul 17 02:11:49 so... off to watch some Netflix and sleep Jul 17 02:11:56 Going to finish up this update tomorrow :D Jul 17 02:12:11 Cya #webos Jul 17 02:12:18 nite, c-ya Jul 17 02:19:05 IGNTNUNLMTD, hey Jul 17 02:19:11 wassup Jul 17 02:28:28 hi Jul 17 02:32:47 * DougReeder waves hello Jul 17 02:42:42 rwhitby: ok bro, i'm here. how do i unbrickify my unbricked touchpad? Jul 17 02:43:38 Thrik: where's the log of running the doctor on the command line? Jul 17 02:43:58 no idea Jul 17 02:44:07 oh, wait Jul 17 02:44:36 while i was out the battery ran out. Jul 17 02:44:42 so i have to let it charge for a bit Jul 17 02:47:14 ok i got the log, i'm going to pastebin it and give the link. wait one Jul 17 02:47:20 ok Jul 17 02:47:49 prefix with my username to get my attention when you paste it Jul 17 02:48:26 http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/na/touchpad/touchpad/wifi/solutions/article/66149_en.html Jul 17 02:48:28 http://pastebin.com/qdBsWxij Jul 17 02:48:31 woops Jul 17 02:48:34 second link Jul 17 02:50:04 java.lang.SecurityException: SHA1 digest error for resources/webOS.tar Jul 17 02:50:17 looks like a corrupted download or a bad USB connection Jul 17 02:50:27 usb probably. Jul 17 02:50:30 probably the former, since that check is done on the host Jul 17 02:50:32 let me use the other cable then Jul 17 02:50:42 still not enough juice. Jul 17 02:50:43 did you check the md5sum of the doctor download against our wiki page? Jul 17 02:50:45 you know. Jul 17 02:50:50 that makes sense now that i think of it Jul 17 02:51:01 i JUST plugged it in and it wouldn't indicate that it was charging. Jul 17 02:51:13 maybe something happened recently that messed the cable. Jul 17 02:51:29 *** probably the former, since that check is done on the host *** Jul 17 02:51:29 no i got the doctor from hp's site. Jul 17 02:51:41 check it's md5sum Jul 17 02:51:45 ok Jul 17 02:51:54 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Jul 17 02:53:46 my version of the doctor isnm't listed Jul 17 02:54:50 i have 569feb4b2aa82fe2bb409235421400f2 webosdoctorp300hstnhwifi.jar Jul 17 02:55:09 listed is webosdoctorp300hstnhwifi-3.0.0.jar Jul 17 02:56:52 rwhitby: is the doctor also on internals' site? Jul 17 02:57:19 Thrik: no-one other than HP has the right to distribute a doctor **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 17 02:59:57 2011