**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 19 02:59:56 2011
Jul 19 03:01:37 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 03:01:49 <fxspec06> look at my comments on that engadget article.
Jul 19 03:02:31 <dwc-> is that halfhalo's new internship schwag
Jul 19 03:02:37 <Flashpass> haeffb: mind if I bug you a bit more about the alarm stuff?
Jul 19 03:02:40 <halfhalo> i wish
Jul 19 03:02:53 <haeffb> sure
Jul 19 03:14:46 <PatrickC> night
Jul 19 03:17:34 <haeffb> stupid HP requiring me to boot to Windows to install this printer.
Jul 19 03:20:27 <fxspec06> bye pat
Jul 19 03:20:34 <haeffb> guess I will do it tomorrow.
Jul 19 03:40:51 <bmidgley> is there a way to get a javascript console when the sim is running something I wrote (either through phonegap or natively)?
Jul 19 03:44:33 <bmidgley> I've read about palminspector but I don't see this anywhere in sdk3
Jul 19 03:48:29 <bmidgley> fwiw, I can ssh -p 5522 root@localhost
Jul 19 03:48:35 <bmidgley> then run debug, not sure what next
Jul 19 04:05:15 <halfhalo> hola roy-pre101! good first day?
Jul 19 04:05:45 <roy-pre101> yep!
Jul 19 04:06:01 <halfhalo> heh.  same here
Jul 19 04:06:03 <LoneStar99> moring folks
Jul 19 04:06:10 <roy-pre101> I don't think I'm disclosing any proprietary secrets to say that I tried out the massage chair.
Jul 19 04:06:32 <LoneStar99> lol nice
Jul 19 04:06:35 <halfhalo> hah
Jul 19 04:07:25 <halfhalo> i managed to get lost about 8 times today.  less than i thought
Jul 19 04:08:21 <CTLAdvance> evening
Jul 19 04:08:36 <halfhalo> evnn.
Jul 19 04:09:38 <roy-pre101> halfhalo: hah
Jul 19 04:09:55 <roy-pre101> I got the grand tour from Arthur.  I never did get to meet up with Matt. :(
Jul 19 04:10:53 <halfhalo> roy-pre101: hah.  yeah, didn't see arthur today, but i'm near steve lemke.  when do you fly out?
Jul 19 04:11:27 <roy-pre101> Friday.
Jul 19 04:11:36 <roy-pre101> You're right by my spot, too.  I'm near Steve for now.
Jul 19 04:12:08 <halfhalo> oh? building 3? (i think he is in there.  99% sure)
Jul 19 04:12:53 <dwc-> who's roy
Jul 19 04:14:55 <dwc-> another intern?
Jul 19 04:15:07 <roy-pre101> pfft.
Jul 19 04:15:16 <halfhalo> he's not that cool
Jul 19 04:15:39 <roy-pre101> I can see my fame's not universal.
Jul 19 04:15:54 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 19 04:16:00 <dwc-> nope. not many famous people here under my rock
Jul 19 04:29:03 <oil> now roy is working for palm?
Jul 19 04:30:34 <halfhalo> heh
Jul 19 04:30:34 <halfhalo> everyone is at palm now
Jul 19 04:31:01 <oil> yeah
Jul 19 04:31:16 <halfhalo> EXCEPT YOU!!!
Jul 19 04:31:22 <oil> yep
Jul 19 04:31:54 * oil expects you all to put in awesome easter eggs
Jul 19 04:32:01 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 19 04:32:38 <oil> and sugardave, the wheel o blame is not acceptable
Jul 19 04:33:00 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 19 04:35:51 * dwc- spins the wheel of blame
Jul 19 04:36:11 <dwc-> wheel of blame, turn turn turn, tell us the person we should burn
Jul 19 04:36:26 <dwc-> it says, "oil"
Jul 19 04:37:00 <Xuzz> well, if you want to burn them, oil would be a good choice, no?
Jul 19 04:37:09 <dwc-> yup
Jul 19 04:38:32 <oil> :/
Jul 19 04:43:48 <LoneStar99> uploading enyo app for 2nd revsion...
Jul 19 04:52:46 <CTLAdvance> And the price drops begin!
Jul 19 04:52:49 <LoneStar99> line break in app description anyone?
Jul 19 04:56:41 <LoneStar99> nm
Jul 19 05:58:20 <dkirker> 'evening everyone!
Jul 19 05:59:05 <LoneStar99> evening
Jul 19 06:11:22 <cxreg> omg kindle
Jul 19 06:14:42 <dkirker> <3 Kindle
Jul 19 06:16:52 <cxreg> hm, would be nice if the page turns were animated like on android
Jul 19 06:16:57 <cxreg> oh well, it works
Jul 19 06:19:33 <cxreg> ah, it's a setting.  but the animation really is not very smooth.  heh.
Jul 19 06:41:04 * Hendikins unpacks his second Veer
Jul 19 06:52:14 <rwhitby> Hendikins: nice
Jul 19 06:52:48 <Hendikins> I wonder if I'll break this one so quickly.
Jul 19 06:54:01 <hotdp> what did you do ?
Jul 19 06:54:28 * hotdp thinks that he's Pre2 has been very solid
Jul 19 06:54:41 <Hendikins> I was the one who managed to get his Veer in to QDL mode without even trying to hack it.
Jul 19 06:58:20 <hotdp> :D
Jul 19 06:58:47 <Hendikins> A situation that really does require a battery pull.
Jul 19 07:03:34 <Hendikins> hotdp: I've got a Pre+ and Pre2 as well, and I've already had somebody say "dibs on the Pre+ once you've got a stable Veer"
Jul 19 07:03:52 <hotdp> dibs?
Jul 19 07:04:04 <Hendikins> He's reserving it for himself.
Jul 19 07:04:09 <hotdp> i see :)
Jul 19 07:04:31 <Hendikins> Which is fine by me, particularly given his Pre+ is scratched to buggery.
Jul 19 08:00:47 <hotdp> Can someone explain me the Kindle restrictions
Jul 19 08:01:01 <hotdp> will it mean that i can not buy books if i live outside USA?
Jul 19 08:01:09 <hotdp> Or if i choose another country then USA?
Jul 19 08:03:19 <rwhitby> hotdp: if you have chosen a country other than US for the app catalog, you will not be able to see the Kindle app
Jul 19 08:03:47 <hotdp> So is i choose US i can see AND buy books?
Jul 19 08:20:36 <rwhitby> I presume so, if you have a US credit card
Jul 19 09:23:16 * hotdp hates geo restrictions
Jul 19 09:30:41 <quad_damage> hi there
Jul 19 09:30:45 <hotdp> hi
Jul 19 09:31:00 <quad_damage> I have a query regarding object creation in enyo
Jul 19 09:32:24 <quad_damage> I am creating an object using the createComponent() method, the component that I am trying to create is a canvas kind... however, when these objects are created, the rendered() method of the canvases is not called...
Jul 19 09:33:14 <quad_damage> Is the rendered() method called automatically when canvas objects are created?
Jul 19 10:47:56 <bnceo> wow. the USB connection on the TouchPad is pretty slow
Jul 19 10:49:19 <bnceo> didn't like when I try to transfer a bunch of SVU episodes
Jul 19 11:37:38 <Hendikins> This is nice, I didn't realise MiniDM actually works on the Veer.
Jul 19 11:43:17 <thomaschaaf> Hey guys! I am planing a rewrite of reviewtomail.com
Jul 19 11:43:30 <thomaschaaf> would love your feedback at http://bit.ly/reviewtomail
Jul 19 12:03:39 * Hendikins prods Veer, would be nice if it would connect to his Google account.
Jul 19 12:14:51 <Loudergood> you must have one moody veer..has it had its morning coffee yet?
Jul 19 12:18:01 <Hendikins> Actually the moody Veer is sitting in a desk drawer.
Jul 19 12:33:55 <Loudergood> before I last doctored it, my pre2 would do that occasionally
Jul 19 12:34:29 <Swindlehurst> anyone know a good preware app for windows live?
Jul 19 12:35:47 <hotdp> messenger?
Jul 19 12:35:56 <Swindlehurst> yes
Jul 19 12:36:02 <hotdp> wonna pay?
Jul 19 12:36:15 <Swindlehurst> depends, why?
Jul 19 12:36:29 <Hendikins> Loudergood: Given I only unboxed this device earlier this evening... I'd hate to think it was in a state to require doctoring already.
Jul 19 12:38:11 <Swindlehurst> ??
Jul 19 12:41:42 <Loudergood> that is peculiar
Jul 19 13:04:43 <hotdp> omg he was strange
Jul 19 14:46:31 <hotdp> PatrickC your forum!!
Jul 19 14:46:56 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 19 14:47:05 <hotdp> saw email :P
Jul 19 14:47:05 <PatrickC> I was trying out a CMS
Jul 19 14:47:17 <hotdp> make your own :P
Jul 19 14:47:22 <PatrickC> and when I deleted it, it deleted the ENTIRE CONTENTS OF public_html
Jul 19 14:47:30 <hotdp> :S
Jul 19 14:47:34 <PatrickC> yeah...
Jul 19 14:47:49 <PatrickC> I emailed my hosting company.. I think they have a backup
Jul 19 14:47:52 <PatrickC> and can restore it
Jul 19 14:49:20 <fxspec06> so
Jul 19 14:49:24 <PatrickC> the MySQL DB is still there
Jul 19 14:49:31 <PatrickC> so.. I'm hoping its all good
Jul 19 14:49:38 <fxspec06> i think i'm going to be meta-doctoring to 2.1 today. because. verizon isn't releasing any updates. ever.
Jul 19 14:49:45 <PatrickC> good idea
Jul 19 14:50:19 <fxspec06> even though i don't want to lose my poker games. i think i'll just take a screencap and hardcode my stats into a temp IPK
Jul 19 14:50:29 <fxspec06> =D
Jul 19 14:50:30 <hotdp> lol
Jul 19 14:50:38 <hotdp> and give them some extra ;)
Jul 19 14:50:43 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 14:51:22 <matbee> you know... i can't wait for the touchpad to not sell so good, that means i can buy it for cheaper, amirite?
Jul 19 14:52:23 <PatrickC> fxspec06: you use cookies in it?
Jul 19 14:52:30 <PatrickC> right?
Jul 19 14:52:36 <fxspec06> not for the stats. uses an SQL db
Jul 19 14:52:41 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 19 14:53:35 <fxspec06> i'm so scared i'm gonna lose some data i don't want to lose. but. i'm sick of being limited to 2.0
Jul 19 14:56:11 <fxspec06> what's the best way to export contacts
Jul 19 14:59:34 <PatrickC> follow the instructions
Jul 19 14:59:41 <PatrickC> there should be a link on the wiki
Jul 19 15:00:51 <fxspec06> what wiki
Jul 19 15:02:41 <PatrickC> the 2.1 wiki
Jul 19 15:03:05 <fxspec06> lol on what website patrick.
Jul 19 15:03:21 <PatrickC> webos-internals.org
Jul 19 15:03:22 <fxspec06> i have the meta doctor like. ready to go pretty much.
Jul 19 15:03:30 * halfhalo-work yawns
Jul 19 15:03:36 <PatrickC> hey halfhalo
Jul 19 15:05:02 * halfhalo-work really needs to find a way to get backonto his irc bouncer
Jul 19 15:05:05 <fxspec06> ok i didnt know if that would work for non sprint devicve
Jul 19 15:05:13 <fxspec06> because of this article i read that was misleading
Jul 19 15:05:17 <PatrickC> it does
Jul 19 15:05:21 <PatrickC> link?
Jul 19 15:05:33 <fxspec06> h.o
Jul 19 15:05:45 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 19 15:06:43 <fxspec06> but wait this only allows you to export via .csv
Jul 19 15:06:49 <fxspec06> can you import them back -.-
Jul 19 15:07:19 <fxspec06> i guess i could just manually add the ones i need. good enough
Jul 19 15:07:37 <halfhalo-work> there is a fatal flaw in me coming in early to print stuff
Jul 19 15:07:43 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/how-to-export-and-move-your-contacts-patch
Jul 19 15:07:44 <PatrickC> fxspec06: you export to a .csv
Jul 19 15:07:54 <PatrickC> then input them into your gmail/etc.
Jul 19 15:08:19 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/how-to-export-your-webos-contacts-csv  that was it
Jul 19 15:08:27 <halfhalo-work> mainly, I don't know where any printers are.
Jul 19 15:09:23 * fxspec06 is ready to empty his recycle bin again. 109GB to start........ *closes eyes and presses empty*
Jul 19 15:09:23 <PatrickC> fxspec06: yes. export the contacts
Jul 19 15:09:38 <PatrickC> import them to gmail
Jul 19 15:09:42 <PatrickC> sync gmail with phone
Jul 19 15:09:46 <PatrickC> I did it many times
Jul 19 15:10:34 * PatrickC hopes to hear back from people with mac soon
Jul 19 15:12:15 <fxspec06> okay that sounds reasonable
Jul 19 15:12:33 <fxspec06> if i didn't have a gmail that wouldn't work out but
Jul 19 15:12:33 <PatrickC> reasonable and easy :)
Jul 19 15:12:41 <fxspec06> i guess.
Jul 19 15:12:49 <PatrickC> you can create a gmail in like 5 seconds...
Jul 19 15:12:56 <PatrickC> and use it -only- for contacts
Jul 19 15:13:05 <fxspec06> i have one that i use now
Jul 19 15:13:16 <fxspec06> ANDDDDDDDDD
Jul 19 15:13:18 * PatrickC mainly uses gmail
Jul 19 15:13:25 <PatrickC> or some form of Google Mail
Jul 19 15:13:30 <halfhalo-work> mmmm..... gmail.....
Jul 19 15:13:30 <fxspec06> because i'm upgrading to 2.1. i can NOW FINALLY FREAKING UNLINK MY CHARTER EMAIL FROM IT.
Jul 19 15:13:35 <fxspec06> and have REAL FREAKING GMAIL
Jul 19 15:13:41 <fxspec06> excuse my yelling
Jul 19 15:14:04 * fxspec06 hates the pop email bug in 2.0.1
Jul 19 15:16:49 <PatrickC> aaaaand
Jul 19 15:16:54 <PatrickC> the mac is sold..
Jul 19 15:17:15 <halfhalo-work> heh
Jul 19 15:17:15 <hotdp> sold?
Jul 19 15:17:24 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 19 15:17:29 <PatrickC> it was a good deal
Jul 19 15:17:35 <hotdp> you sold or?
Jul 19 15:17:49 <PatrickC> listing was on craigslist for 5 days, figured was still available, but it was sold
Jul 19 15:17:56 <PatrickC> was trying to buy one
Jul 19 15:18:23 <fxspec06> i used to have a macbook.
Jul 19 15:18:27 <fxspec06> 2006
Jul 19 15:18:35 <fxspec06> like, the original
Jul 19 15:18:36 <PatrickC> intel proc?
Jul 19 15:18:41 * halfhalo-work has shiny new MBP to use for work stuff
Jul 19 15:18:41 <fxspec06> yeh
Jul 19 15:18:49 <halfhalo-work> macbooks are only intel.
Jul 19 15:18:54 <PatrickC> hmm.. just emailed on a mb a
Jul 19 15:18:55 <fxspec06> ^^^ yep
Jul 19 15:19:08 <PatrickC> halfhalo-work: G4, G3, powerPC
Jul 19 15:19:09 <PatrickC> etc.
Jul 19 15:19:14 <PatrickC> mb air*
Jul 19 15:19:15 <fxspec06> not macbooks
Jul 19 15:19:22 <halfhalo-work> there were no macbooks with PPC proccessors in them
Jul 19 15:19:28 <halfhalo-work> those were the iBooks and Powerbooks
Jul 19 15:19:29 <PatrickC> really? huh...
Jul 19 15:19:46 * halfhalo-work had a G3 iBook and a G4 Powerbook
Jul 19 15:20:12 * PatrickC needs an Intel
Jul 19 15:21:22 * halfhalo-work has intel mac mini in a bag in his car
Jul 19 15:22:50 <fxspec06> okay
Jul 19 15:23:19 <fxspec06> i think i'm ready to do this doctor thing. i hope palm backed up all my crap.
Jul 19 15:23:37 <halfhalo-work> ok, why is vmware not wanting to place nice....
Jul 19 15:24:03 <fxspec06> also how much of an ubuntu upgrade is 9.10 to 11
Jul 19 15:24:23 * halfhalo-work reboots for the greater good
Jul 19 15:25:40 <PatrickC> fxspec06: major
Jul 19 15:25:48 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 15:25:52 <fxspec06> ok well i will do after
Jul 19 15:26:16 <cwayne> fxspec06: 11 what?
Jul 19 15:26:21 <cwayne> 11.04 or 11.10?
Jul 19 15:26:32 <fxspec06> any of them. haha. my VM is 9.1.0
Jul 19 15:26:47 <cwayne> fxspec06: just upgrade to 10.04.2 then 10.10
Jul 19 15:27:05 <fxspec06> okie
Jul 19 15:27:21 * fxspec06 is surprised he still remembers the vbox mount command after 2.5 months
Jul 19 15:27:46 <cwayne> so its 6 month cycles, so 9.10 just means it came out in october of 09, 10.04 is april of 2010, and 10.10 is october 2010
Jul 19 15:27:58 <Swindlehurst> i can seem to get the palm SDK and virtual box to recognise my palm?
Jul 19 15:28:56 <Swindlehurst> im new to webOS so.
Jul 19 15:30:17 <PatrickC> Swindlehurst: are you in developer mode?
Jul 19 15:30:41 <Swindlehurst> i am since i used quick install yesterday
Jul 19 15:30:51 <fxspec06> ok so what that command i needa do after a git pull?
Jul 19 15:31:01 <PatrickC> ok.. can you use the palm-commandline tools?
Jul 19 15:31:11 <PatrickC> fxspec06: follow the wiki :)
Jul 19 15:31:23 <fxspec06> aha clobber
Jul 19 15:31:29 <fxspec06> psh i don't need no wiki
Jul 19 15:31:52 <fxspec06> i remember. like elephants
Jul 19 15:32:39 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jul 19 15:33:25 <fxspec06> voiala
Jul 19 15:33:29 <fxspec06> morning lonelystar
Jul 19 15:33:44 <LoneStar99> que onda
Jul 19 15:34:01 <fxspec06> no se onda
Jul 19 15:34:26 <LoneStar99> "what
Jul 19 15:34:39 <fxspec06> i don't know onda
Jul 19 15:34:45 <LoneStar99> "que onda" --> "what's up"
Jul 19 15:35:03 <fxspec06> i thought tha was que pasa
Jul 19 15:35:44 <fxspec06> lol meta-dr.ing my pre2
Jul 19 15:36:24 <LoneStar99> that also
Jul 19 15:36:49 <LoneStar99> these days you here more "que onda"
Jul 19 15:36:59 <fxspec06> good to know
Jul 19 15:37:10 <LoneStar99> especially chicks
Jul 19 15:37:21 <LoneStar99> hot ones at that =)
Jul 19 15:37:40 <fxspec06> loll okay so i see a hot spanish chik and i say que onda
Jul 19 15:38:23 <summatusmentis> LoneStar: what does the word onda mean?
Jul 19 15:40:50 <PatrickC> fxspec06: vzw released 2.1 on the pre2
Jul 19 15:41:06 <fxspec06> nope they haven't.
Jul 19 15:41:15 <PatrickC> I thought they did
Jul 19 15:41:16 <fxspec06> i've been on top of it
Jul 19 15:41:18 <fxspec06> nope
Jul 19 15:41:36 <fxspec06> it's a phoney! a big, fat, phoney!
Jul 19 15:41:59 <PatrickC> fxspec06: http://community.vzw.com/t5/HP-Palm-Discussions/Verizon-Finally-Releases-webOS-2-1-to-Pre-2-users/td-p/568638 ?
Jul 19 15:42:17 <fxspec06> i know i've read all the threads
Jul 19 15:42:38 <fxspec06> please explain why there is no update on my phone right now
Jul 19 15:42:54 <fxspec06> and also please explain why none of my fellow vzw pre 2 members have recieved an update
Jul 19 15:43:03 <PatrickC> weird
Jul 19 15:43:08 <fxspec06> NOTICE THE DATE on that post: 6/234
Jul 19 15:43:12 <fxspec06> 6/24**
Jul 19 15:43:13 <PatrickC> I'm on a UMTS pre2
Jul 19 15:43:23 <fxspec06> i'm not taking this BS anymore. i've waited long enough
Jul 19 15:43:54 <PatrickC> then update
Jul 19 15:44:06 <fxspec06> i'm waiting for the damn thing to compile.
Jul 19 15:44:20 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 15:44:48 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 15:45:57 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  "onda" means like "whats in"   so "que onda" means --> "whats up" or "whats going on"
Jul 19 15:46:09 <fxspec06> weheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Jul 19 15:46:43 <LoneStar99> que pasa is more --> "whats going on, when something may be going wrong"
Jul 19 15:47:08 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: does it have a root word? or is it slang?
Jul 19 15:47:29 <PatrickC> aaaannnnddddd
Jul 19 15:47:38 <PatrickC> deleting *another* file from ftp server
Jul 19 15:49:18 <hotdp> I just read a Danish preview of the TP. omg it was crappy
Jul 19 15:49:32 <fxspec06> okie me is diving right in and installing
Jul 19 15:49:36 <hotdp> "It will be for proffesionals IF it arraves to Denmark"
Jul 19 15:49:51 <fxspec06> hotdp: did you read andandtech review?
Jul 19 15:49:55 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  slang
Jul 19 15:51:28 <summatusmentis> LoneStar99: ah, ok, that's what I was asking, thans :)
Jul 19 15:52:15 <fxspec06> patrickc: where did those contacts back up to
Jul 19 15:52:18 <hotdp> fxspec06: yer, i liked it. you?
Jul 19 15:52:38 <fxspec06> yeah i thought it aws most in depth aside from P|C's review
Jul 19 15:52:45 <fxspec06> probably more indepth
Jul 19 15:52:46 <LoneStar99> it is slang, but widely used like 99.9% perhphaps you would not use it in a business meeting
Jul 19 15:53:47 <fxspec06> nvm i found it. vcf. heh
Jul 19 15:54:28 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 15:55:03 <fxspec06> okie time to CLEAN my gmail account. and. remove my automatic emailer. i've been waiting for this day. /screwyouverizon
Jul 19 16:02:35 <PatrickC> chuqui: ping
Jul 19 16:03:24 <Swindlehurst> :/
Jul 19 16:08:33 <PatrickC> hey sugardave
Jul 19 16:09:23 <fxspec06> how to delete entire gmail trash?
Jul 19 16:09:52 <PatrickC> go to the trash
Jul 19 16:09:55 <PatrickC> click delete :P
Jul 19 16:10:32 <fxspec06> all i see is delete forever
Jul 19 16:10:50 <fxspec06> i have over 9000 messages in trash
Jul 19 16:10:55 <PatrickC> that empies the reash
Jul 19 16:11:08 <fxspec06> no it says no messages selected
Jul 19 16:11:15 <fxspec06> i can't select 9000 messages
Jul 19 16:11:24 <fxspec06> i'm not doing that 9000/25 times
Jul 19 16:11:42 <LoneStar99> saab 9000 turbo
Jul 19 16:13:12 <sugardave> fxspec06: how about the "Empty trash now" link?
Jul 19 16:16:16 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  how about getting rid of your gmail account and opening an "excite" account, "everyone is doing it"
Jul 19 16:17:00 <fxspec06> ahaaaaaa
Jul 19 16:17:17 <fxspec06> empty trash now. nice.
Jul 19 16:19:36 <PatrickC> hahahaha
Jul 19 16:19:47 <PatrickC> I entered my address as "123 Not Telling"
Jul 19 16:19:53 <PatrickC> and Zip as "12345" :P
Jul 19 16:19:57 <PatrickC> and it took it :D
Jul 19 16:20:07 <LoneStar99> planet earth!
Jul 19 16:20:34 <fxspec06> that's nothing
Jul 19 16:20:54 <fxspec06> i entered my email address as your@moms.vagina
Jul 19 16:21:03 <fxspec06> sorry tat was crude
Jul 19 16:21:17 * fxspec06 is 12 years old
Jul 19 16:21:54 <PatrickC> hahaha
Jul 19 16:22:12 <fxspec06> 'yo momma's so wide she recieves ALL my email!'
Jul 19 16:22:29 <PatrickC> (crickets)
Jul 19 16:22:30 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 16:22:33 * PatrickC hides
Jul 19 16:23:10 <zomg> fxspec06: yo momma's so wide she is the catch-all address on my domain
Jul 19 16:23:11 <zomg> :P
Jul 19 16:23:52 <fxspec06> ahahaha
Jul 19 16:25:09 <fxspec06> yo momma's so wide, she works as a firewall for the pentagon'
Jul 19 16:27:24 <zomg> Gives a whole new meaning to "cracking the firewall"
Jul 19 16:27:25 <zomg> *cough*
Jul 19 16:27:49 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 16:27:55 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 16:29:48 <fxspec06> wow that imported all my ocntacts. jeez
Jul 19 16:30:00 <fxspec06> including all the chat.facebook.coms i didnt want
Jul 19 16:30:34 <fxspec06> thank goodness for merge duplicates
Jul 19 16:30:50 <LoneStar99> on some google account have like 3,000 contacts, not sure what google was thinking with that feature...
Jul 19 16:31:10 <LoneStar99> correction "the google"
Jul 19 16:31:13 <fxspec06> but merge duplicates still dont work
Jul 19 16:31:33 <fxspec06> meta dr. complete
Jul 19 16:33:07 <hotdp> you can manage the google contacts? o have cleaned mine and use it alot
Jul 19 16:34:19 <LoneStar99> like i send out an email to a random craigslist person, soliciting tricks and it gets added to my gmail contacts... tricks in every area code
Jul 19 16:34:21 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 19 16:36:17 <fxspec06> yeah it seems pretty sweet. i needa clean the CRAP outta mine
Jul 19 16:36:46 <fxspec06> i've never made a real contacts list because i never liked any of them. but this seems nice.
Jul 19 16:37:02 <fxspec06> k gotta go make food bbs
Jul 19 16:42:44 <fxspec06> my pre 2 is stuck on the 'restoring your backed up data' screen
Jul 19 16:51:00 <Swindlehurst> any reason why my silent loud switch would keep the notification up?
Jul 19 16:51:16 <pishposh> I have a verizon pixi plus not on a plan and patched into devoloper mode. is it possible to get any app cataloge apps?
Jul 19 16:52:35 <fxspec06> yes
Jul 19 16:52:46 <fxspec06> download the bypass activation tool
Jul 19 16:52:57 <Swindlehurst> what about my silent loud switch
Jul 19 16:53:10 <Swindlehurst> the notification won't go away
Jul 19 16:53:28 <fxspec06> run the doctor, install the tool, turn on wifi, and run gesture tutorial.. long process but it will work. if anyone has a better way feel free to chime in
Jul 19 16:54:00 <Swindlehurst> that for my notification problem?
Jul 19 16:54:28 <pishposh> I did the bypass activation to get it working, but how do I actually go about activating the palm?
Jul 19 16:54:39 <fxspec06> you gotta turn on wifi
Jul 19 16:54:44 <fxspec06> and then run the gesture tutorial
Jul 19 16:54:52 <fxspec06> that will take you to the account sign in screen
Jul 19 16:55:04 <pishposh> gesture tutorial?
Jul 19 16:55:07 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 19 16:55:08 <Swindlehurst> can someone help me?
Jul 19 16:55:15 <fxspec06> on the third app screen.
Jul 19 16:55:36 <fxspec06> swindlehurst - i'm not sure
Jul 19 16:56:06 <fxspec06> you tried swiping it away? which notification is it? which app?
Jul 19 16:56:18 <pishposh> no gesture tutorial..should dev mode be on?
Jul 19 16:57:04 <fxspec06> every webos phone has gesture tutorial. it's an app in the launcher
Jul 19 16:59:09 <pishposh> idk what to tell you..its not here.
Jul 19 17:03:13 <fxspec06> it might be called 'first use app'
Jul 19 17:03:19 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/269972-patch-enable-profile-creation-activation-bypassed-device-1-4-5-a.html
Jul 19 17:05:10 <pishposh> that link is perfect thanks
Jul 19 17:09:12 <fxspec06> np!
Jul 19 17:10:42 <PatrickC> fxspec06: visit http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/home
Jul 19 17:14:15 <fxspec06> weeee my memos were backed up. now to find my MPR promo code
Jul 19 17:16:45 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 19 17:16:52 <PatrickC> my site really doesn't like mobile phones
Jul 19 17:17:21 <Loudergood> lol
Jul 19 17:17:43 <PatrickC> Loudergood: care to take a look? :)
Jul 19 17:17:49 <PatrickC> Concrete5 is nice though
Jul 19 17:17:59 <Loudergood> I'm at work right now so no
Jul 19 17:18:02 <Loudergood> but yes it is
Jul 19 17:19:11 <PatrickC> lol ok
Jul 19 17:19:55 <summatusmentis> why is it nice?
Jul 19 17:20:06 <summatusmentis> I don't understand the purpose of pay-for CMS systems
Jul 19 17:20:22 <PatrickC> Concrete5 is free and open source
Jul 19 17:20:35 <summatusmentis> wait, wut?
Jul 19 17:20:37 <summatusmentis> rly?
Jul 19 17:20:46 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 19 17:20:59 <summatusmentis> oh, hrm, I don't know why I thought it was pay-for
Jul 19 17:25:04 <PatrickC> fixed :D
Jul 19 17:25:08 <PatrickC> ^^ re mobile
Jul 19 17:39:52 <PatrickC> site now optimized for mobile
Jul 19 17:44:53 <hotdp> omg enyo is faster to dev then mojo :o
Jul 19 17:45:06 <fxspec06> patrick i'll check out in a bit
Jul 19 17:45:16 <fxspec06> so many things to do after a doctor
Jul 19 17:45:21 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 17:45:23 <PatrickC> hotdp: yep
Jul 19 17:47:54 <hotdp> Looks like the Virtual list is working like the sencha should work but don't
Jul 19 17:47:58 <hotdp> render when needed only
Jul 19 18:35:41 <fxspec06> damnit! i freaking found a bug. already. dsalgk
Jul 19 18:36:08 <hotdp> ?
Jul 19 18:36:43 <fxspec06> on fresh install. on my stats screen. the freaking period for the % doesn't show.
Jul 19 18:36:54 <fxspec06> on the version i submitted to palm on sunday
Jul 19 18:37:19 <fxspec06> like 2.4% , it looks like 2 4%
Jul 19 18:37:24 <hotdp> :o
Jul 19 18:37:39 <fxspec06> i know. =O
Jul 19 18:37:43 * hotdp got many 0 stars for ONE spelling mistake
Jul 19 18:38:13 <fxspec06> crrrrrrrap.
Jul 19 18:38:21 <fxspec06> what should i do
Jul 19 18:38:36 <fxspec06> i don't want to pull it
Jul 19 18:38:48 <fxspec06> it's not even IN the catalog yet
Jul 19 18:39:09 <hotdp> Fix it and commit a new version
Jul 19 18:39:13 <hotdp> no problem
Jul 19 18:39:22 <hotdp> just remember to increment the version number
Jul 19 18:39:30 <fxspec06> yeah
Jul 19 18:39:34 <fxspec06> alright that sounds good
Jul 19 18:41:49 <PatrickC> fxspec06: does that over here too
Jul 19 18:41:52 <PatrickC> just noticed
Jul 19 18:42:40 <fxspec06> it clearly does. because i noticed first lol
Jul 19 18:43:17 <hotdp> Enyo Q. How do you set a value to the virtualList item?
Jul 19 18:43:24 <fxspec06> i got all my stats imported!! yay
Jul 19 18:51:32 <hotdp> showing:false  i guess
Jul 19 18:54:21 <fxspec06> ph god. freaking. p.png != P.png
Jul 19 18:54:27 <fxspec06> >.<
Jul 19 18:54:36 <hotdp> more bugs?
Jul 19 18:54:56 <fxspec06> no same thing. just not really a bug i just named the .png wrong
Jul 19 18:55:35 <zomg> The manual talks about being able to define the transition type to use when pushing scenes
Jul 19 18:55:36 <fxspec06> lol. the only other bug that Jake found was that you can scroll the page. should be background fixed not absolute.
Jul 19 18:55:43 <zomg> However, I wasn't able to find out how this actually works
Jul 19 18:55:45 <zomg> Any ideas?
Jul 19 18:55:59 <zomg> Or whether this is just a myth (seems so based on how the source code for pushScene looked like)
Jul 19 18:59:09 <zomg> Oh right. Figures I'd solve it after asking
Jul 19 18:59:38 <zomg> I had tried using transition: 'crossFade' when I should've used transition: Mojo.Transition.crossFade :P
Jul 19 19:10:08 <fxspec06> oh also who knows what about voice dial icon not moving
Jul 19 19:35:49 <LoneStar99> Adora: got app issue sorted out... cancelled upgrade, then miraculously both "meta" and complete buttons appeared, thanks
Jul 19 19:37:17 <LoneStar99> so hopefully my app does not get rejected again =)
Jul 19 19:54:55 <twbbas> I just transferred 1 of 7 stations from Pandora -
Jul 19 19:54:58 <twbbas> -> Spotify
Jul 19 19:55:19 <twbbas> Tomorrow I do station #2
Jul 19 19:57:33 <dawm> whats the app/patch to edit the autocorrect
Jul 19 19:57:42 <dawm> really getting sick of some corrections
Jul 19 19:58:31 <Loudergood> just open text assist
Jul 19 19:58:46 <dawm> 1.4.5
Jul 19 19:58:53 <dawm> dont assume 2.x+
Jul 19 19:59:07 <Loudergood> there's autocorrect in 1.4.5?
Jul 19 19:59:10 <Loudergood> damn.
Jul 19 19:59:16 <dawm> LOL
Jul 19 19:59:27 <Loudergood> I don't recall seeing it.
Jul 19 19:59:34 <twbbas> You couldn't edit it or anything
Jul 19 19:59:38 <twbbas> (without patch)
Jul 19 19:59:46 <dawm> there was a homebrew but i cant find it in preware
Jul 19 19:59:48 <twbbas> and it was pretty limited
Jul 19 20:03:24 <fxspec06> yay voice dial is gone
Jul 19 20:27:56 <twbbas> Hmm... my {kind:"Spacer"} isn't working as a vertical spacer in a VFlexBox
Jul 19 20:29:31 <PatrickC> hey all
Jul 19 20:30:12 <twbbas> Hello
Jul 19 20:31:22 <PatrickC> how goes it twbbas?
Jul 19 20:31:34 <PatrickC> I'll (hopefully) be doing my phone today
Jul 19 20:31:48 <twbbas> Can't get my spacer to work as a vertical spacer in a vflexbox
Jul 19 20:31:54 <twbbas> Sprintifying it?
Jul 19 20:32:00 <PatrickC> yeppers
Jul 19 20:32:06 <PatrickC> been waiting a week
Jul 19 20:32:24 <twbbas> nice
Jul 19 20:32:27 * twbbas is jealous
Jul 19 20:32:37 <PatrickC> why?
Jul 19 20:32:44 <twbbas> I'm stuck with a Pre- on Sprint
Jul 19 20:32:55 <PatrickC> Sprint a pre2?
Jul 19 20:33:04 <PatrickC> twbbas: you noticed the forums were down?
Jul 19 20:33:26 <twbbas> While I do have a Pre 2, it's not available for me to sprintify it. I also don't want to pay $300+ for a Pre 2
Jul 19 20:33:45 <fxspec06> herro patrick
Jul 19 20:33:50 <PatrickC> j/w... why can't you sprintify it?
Jul 19 20:33:51 <twbbas> Yeah, I got your email about the forums
Jul 19 20:33:54 <zomg> "Sprintifying"?
Jul 19 20:33:55 <PatrickC> hey fxspec06
Jul 19 20:34:05 <PatrickC> why'd you break the forums fxspec06?!
Jul 19 20:34:16 <PatrickC> its always your fault :P
Jul 19 20:34:16 <twbbas> We got it for free from HP a while back and we're using it strictly for dev'ing
Jul 19 20:34:23 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 19 20:34:26 <twbbas> It's not "mine"
Jul 19 20:34:32 <fxspec06> Sprintify [verb]: 1. To make Sprint. 2. To convert to Sprint.
Jul 19 20:34:34 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 20:34:45 <PatrickC> fxspec06: hahaha
Jul 19 20:34:48 <zomg> Hehe
Jul 19 20:34:53 <fxspec06> why what'd i do to the forums
Jul 19 20:34:58 <zomg> You americans and your operator-führers
Jul 19 20:35:02 <PatrickC> you broke 'em
Jul 19 20:35:07 <twbbas> Plus, my brother's Pre- is in worse shape than mine. So if anyone were to use it to Sprintfy their Pre, it'd be him.
Jul 19 20:35:08 <PatrickC> try and visit them
Jul 19 20:35:08 <fxspec06> did not!
Jul 19 20:35:09 <zomg> Over here you just stick another sim in it and done
Jul 19 20:35:11 <zomg> =)
Jul 19 20:35:23 <fxspec06> what your forums or precentral forums?
Jul 19 20:35:23 <twbbas> zomg: I'm jealous
Jul 19 20:35:42 <fxspec06> i get a 404 on your forums. they're useless
Jul 19 20:35:43 <PatrickC> my forums
Jul 19 20:35:58 <PatrickC> fxspec06: see, you broke it :P
Jul 19 20:35:59 <zomg> twbbas: as a side effect of such, my Pre 2 thinks I'm roaming, and apparently also in Moscow
Jul 19 20:36:08 <PatrickC> zomg: man... I wish I could do that
Jul 19 20:36:14 <twbbas> lol
Jul 19 20:36:38 <zomg> This morning it had switched to the Moscow timezone causing the clock to be off one hour
Jul 19 20:36:43 * PatrickC has 2 pre2's that he could do that to
Jul 19 20:36:50 <PatrickC> but *no sim*
Jul 19 20:36:53 <zomg> Even though I had network timezone on, and I'm relatively sure my finnish operator would not be using russian timezones
Jul 19 20:37:04 <fxspec06> TWO!?@@
Jul 19 20:37:08 <fxspec06> how'd you get two
Jul 19 20:37:28 <twbbas> well, fxspec06... when a man and a woman...
Jul 19 20:37:33 * PatrickC is just that good
Jul 19 20:37:39 <PatrickC> hahahahaa
Jul 19 20:38:08 <dawm> why did the doctors let you live at birth?
Jul 19 20:38:14 <dawm> oops
Jul 19 20:38:25 <twbbas> lol
Jul 19 20:38:43 <PatrickC> dawm: that's offensive to fxspec06! be nice =P
Jul 19 20:38:56 <fxspec06> alskhkagheruigh
Jul 19 20:38:59 <twbbas> student discount on TouchPad, 5% 16gig, 7% 32gig plus 40% off first accesory
Jul 19 20:39:12 <fxspec06> i have smart friends you guys
Jul 19 20:39:22 <fxspec06> they just can't find numbers on their android phones very fast
Jul 19 20:39:38 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 20:39:46 * PatrickC finds 5 numbers in 2 seconds
Jul 19 20:39:51 <fxspec06> i know
Jul 19 20:40:09 <twbbas> You can get $92 off a 32GB TouchPad if you're a student
Jul 19 20:40:14 <PatrickC> twbbas: dev discount - 25-60% off
Jul 19 20:40:14 <twbbas> and a previous webOS user
Jul 19 20:40:31 <PatrickC> 100% off if you are lucky
Jul 19 20:40:32 <fxspec06> i tried to make that a point in an argument on precentral, but this jerkoffhole says i need to find smarter friends. implying that android is awesome. which it is not
Jul 19 20:40:54 * PatrickC kicks android
Jul 19 20:41:08 <fxspec06> i really need to like back off from making any arguments / points in forums
Jul 19 20:41:17 <PatrickC> "Go back to your mother! The one with the stone-cold heart!"
Jul 19 20:41:22 <dawm> Have you ever thought about a world without clocks?
Jul 19 20:41:30 <PatrickC> no? lol
Jul 19 20:41:43 <fxspec06> have you ever thought about a world without cheese?
Jul 19 20:41:51 <twbbas> or a world without webOS
Jul 19 20:41:55 * twbbas is scared
Jul 19 20:42:01 <PatrickC> have you ever thought about a world without dawm?
Jul 19 20:42:02 <fxspec06> or a world without Tibfib
Jul 19 20:42:15 <Tibfib> fxspec06: that would be a wonderful place
Jul 19 20:42:16 <twbbas> PatrickC: Who's dawm? ;)
Jul 19 20:42:17 <PatrickC> ^ would be horror !
Jul 19 20:42:27 <fxspec06> lollllllllllll
Jul 19 20:42:29 <PatrickC> ^ refered to fxspec06
Jul 19 20:42:36 <PatrickC> twbbas: dawn? who?
Jul 19 20:43:02 <PatrickC> don't recognise the name.. haven't hear it since... Ailium...
Jul 19 20:43:06 <dawm> pfft
Jul 19 20:43:08 <PatrickC> that was *forever* ago..
Jul 19 20:43:29 <dawm> dawm was the first to win an app contest for webos (games category)
Jul 19 20:43:39 <PatrickC> not sure people know he still exists
Jul 19 20:43:45 * twbbas wishes he made apps when that contest was going on
Jul 19 20:43:53 * twbbas submitted his first app a month after first contest ended
Jul 19 20:43:55 <PatrickC> man.. whoever this dawm guy is must be pretty good
Jul 19 20:44:02 <dawm> twbbas, what was the first contest :P
Jul 19 20:44:08 * PatrickC just wasn't good enough to win
Jul 19 20:44:14 <twbbas> I'd assume you're talking about the SDK Hot Apps
Jul 19 20:44:17 <dawm> nope
Jul 19 20:44:22 <twbbas> There was one before?
Jul 19 20:44:25 <dawm> yeah
Jul 19 20:44:29 <dawm> preDevCamp
Jul 19 20:44:36 <twbbas> never heard of it
Jul 19 20:44:45 <dawm> i think its dead
Jul 19 20:44:53 <twbbas> Was it developer day type thing?
Jul 19 20:45:04 * twbbas wants to go to a dev day
Jul 19 20:45:13 * PatrickC TOO!!!!!
Jul 19 20:45:22 <twbbas> Let's carpool
Jul 19 20:45:23 <dawm> it was before that
Jul 19 20:45:29 <dawm> it was way way before anything really
Jul 19 20:45:35 <PatrickC> twbbas: pick me up in Nashvile, TN
Jul 19 20:45:42 <PatrickC> Nashville*
Jul 19 20:45:45 <twbbas> only if it's on the way to the dev day
Jul 19 20:45:52 * fxspec06 is going to a meetup in boston
Jul 19 20:46:07 * PatrickC isn't 
Jul 19 20:46:10 <dawm> yeah the domain doesnt even work anymore
Jul 19 20:46:32 <PatrickC> domain?
Jul 19 20:46:38 <PatrickC> oh.. predevcamp?
Jul 19 20:46:42 <dawm> predevcamp.org
Jul 19 20:46:47 <dawm> this was back in 8/2009
Jul 19 20:47:25 <PatrickC> ugg.. I wish Kindle worked
Jul 19 20:47:58 <summatusmentis> it... does?
Jul 19 20:48:05 <dawm> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/176324-predevcamp-free-community-development-event-palm-pre.html
Jul 19 20:48:06 <PatrickC> on my pre2
Jul 19 20:48:10 <dawm> i guess thats it
Jul 19 20:48:14 <twbbas> his enyo'ed pre 2
Jul 19 20:48:51 <summatusmentis> meh, I don't think you get to complain about things that don't work on something you've hacked together :)
Jul 19 20:49:06 <twbbas> ^ the truth
Jul 19 20:49:14 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 19 20:49:38 <fxspec06> you can if they should exist right now
Jul 19 20:49:52 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: makes a decent dev environment.. for one who can't run the emu
Jul 19 20:50:39 <summatusmentis> I guess so
Jul 19 20:50:47 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: except, they don't exist right now?
Jul 19 20:51:14 <PatrickC> they /should/ exist
Jul 19 20:52:54 <dawm> does anyone know what movie the line 'soooo.. buttons' comes from?
Jul 19 20:53:08 <summatusmentis> who gets to decide should? I say they shouldn't exist!
Jul 19 20:53:34 <summatusmentis> besides, should is a stupid metric by which to gauge something
Jul 19 20:55:24 <dawm> PatrickC, chrome works if you cannot run the emu ..
Jul 19 20:55:47 <PatrickC> dawm: not for everything
Jul 19 21:08:56 <dawm> lol
Jul 19 21:09:06 <dawm> What three things would you take with you to a deserted island?
Jul 19 21:09:27 <fxspec06> whew i finally leveled up. now at 198k
Jul 19 21:10:14 <fxspec06> uhm i'd take... a bitch, a ho, and a pretty woman to make babies with
Jul 19 21:10:27 <dawm> lol fail
Jul 19 21:10:31 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 21:10:39 <dawm> try.. A way off said island, a picnic basket, a significant other.
Jul 19 21:10:47 <dawm> and make it a vacation
Jul 19 21:10:51 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 21:10:57 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 19 21:11:09 <fxspec06> well i don't wanna get off. i'll be happy with my dog and my rake
Jul 19 21:19:17 <thomaschaaf> Hey guys,
Jul 19 21:19:34 <thomaschaaf> what are you guys missing from My Apps section? Would be pleased if you filled out: http://t.co/a6rxso9
Jul 19 21:19:54 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf!!!
Jul 19 21:20:23 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: hey
Jul 19 21:20:27 <thomaschaaf> long time no see
Jul 19 21:20:34 <thomaschaaf> have you checked out suplify?
Jul 19 21:20:44 <thomaschaaf> we just launched public beta
Jul 19 21:21:02 <PatrickC> I'm still on the private beta?
Jul 19 21:21:04 <thomaschaaf> currently trying to get the website to be awesome
Jul 19 21:21:06 <PatrickC> or did you upgrade me?
Jul 19 21:21:32 <thomaschaaf> all the same just a new website and faster architecture underneath.. we're planing some major changes though
Jul 19 21:21:49 <thomaschaaf> contact view will be a lot more useful soon
Jul 19 21:21:54 <thomaschaaf> ar you using it?
Jul 19 21:23:09 <summatusmentis> thomaschaaf: was's supplify?
Jul 19 21:23:12 <summatusmentis> what's*
Jul 19 21:23:57 <thomaschaaf> summatusmentis: a universal inbox for companies.. email, facebook, twitter etc, in app messages all go to one place
Jul 19 21:24:03 <thomaschaaf> and can be answered from there aswell
Jul 19 21:24:26 <thomaschaaf> http://suplify.me but for webOS do you know reviewtomail.com?
Jul 19 21:24:42 <thomaschaaf> I am currently planing a rewrite and need lots of info
Jul 19 21:24:49 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: yep. I'm using it :)
Jul 19 21:24:51 <thomaschaaf> also I want to support Touchpad apps
Jul 19 21:25:09 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: you can always send us feedback on the site :)
Jul 19 21:25:13 <thomaschaaf> everything helps
Jul 19 21:25:22 <PatrickC> ok :)
Jul 19 21:25:25 <thomaschaaf> even if you just say hi the team greatly appreciates it
Jul 19 21:26:34 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 19 21:26:53 <thomaschaaf> So if anything is currently bothering you in My Apps or about reviewtomail or something you always wanted please write that to http://bit.ly/reviewtomail
Jul 19 21:27:19 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: do you have a touchpad?
Jul 19 21:27:27 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: not yet
Jul 19 21:27:40 <PatrickC> waiting for a dev coupon
Jul 19 21:27:53 <thomaschaaf> is that 25%?
Jul 19 21:28:04 <thomaschaaf> I am thinking about writing a cool game
Jul 19 21:28:49 <thomaschaaf> using the touchpad/iPad as the game tray and a webos/android/iOS device or even laptop as the controller
Jul 19 21:32:21 <thomaschaaf> hmm richardkerris is following me now :) thanks PatrickC
Jul 19 21:32:28 <PatrickC> cool :D
Jul 19 21:32:54 <thomaschaaf> but I think he doesn't know what I mean :P
Jul 19 21:33:20 <thomaschaaf> I need to reverse engineer the stupid protocol and the app is not in the emulator
Jul 19 21:33:48 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: would you think people would give me their "logins"? So I can do even cooler stuff?
Jul 19 21:34:19 <thomaschaaf> I can see on the oneside, that it is to "fragile" information
Jul 19 21:34:29 <thomaschaaf> but on the otherside I could do AWESOME stuff
Jul 19 21:34:39 <twbbas> I wouldn't
Jul 19 21:35:13 <thomaschaaf> twbbas: are you using reviewtomail?
Jul 19 21:35:22 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: not sure...
Jul 19 21:35:27 <twbbas> For the few apps that work with it, yes ;) thanks for making that
Jul 19 21:35:38 <thomaschaaf> why few apps?
Jul 19 21:35:47 <thomaschaaf> every telephone app should work
Jul 19 21:35:53 <twbbas> Don't they have to be in the French catalog or something?
Jul 19 21:35:57 <thomaschaaf> german, american and french catalog
Jul 19 21:36:06 <twbbas> So it's been updated
Jul 19 21:36:07 <thomaschaaf> it was changed a while back
Jul 19 21:36:12 <thomaschaaf> yep
Jul 19 21:36:13 * twbbas goes to add his other apps
Jul 19 21:36:16 <thomaschaaf> every now and then
Jul 19 21:36:42 <thomaschaaf> Do tell me if you are having trouble though
Jul 19 21:39:03 <thomaschaaf> Hmm not getting as much feedback as I wanted :(
Jul 19 21:39:38 <twbbas> It works fine for me
Jul 19 21:39:42 <twbbas> no problems
Jul 19 21:39:48 <thomaschaaf> hello risc are you using reviewtomail.com yet?
Jul 19 21:40:06 <thomaschaaf> who changes their nickname from a good one to a crappy one?!
Jul 19 21:40:45 <twbbas> Probably did it automatically after 30 seconds
Jul 19 21:41:07 <thomaschaaf> twbbas what apps do you have out??
Jul 19 21:41:36 <twbbas> http://zone303.com/ <-- Those
Jul 19 21:43:09 <thomaschaaf> I like differences
Jul 19 21:43:15 <twbbas> You've played it?
Jul 19 21:43:49 <gaurav_> anyone know how to resolve this guys TouchPad movie issue? http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RKIYKJN7EYWEZ/ref=cm_cr_dp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0054689MQ&nodeID=340831031&tag=&linkCode=
Jul 19 21:43:50 <thomaschaaf> I am currently holding my phone in my hand to download it :D
Jul 19 21:43:58 <gaurav_> would be cool if someone from the webOS community helped him out
Jul 19 21:44:03 <twbbas> It's a TouchPad-only app, unfortunately
Jul 19 21:44:47 <thomaschaaf> gaurav_: can you repro it?
Jul 19 21:45:04 <gaurav_> thomaschaaf: unfortunately I don't have a TouchPad
Jul 19 21:45:20 <gaurav_> I only came across his problem because I was thinking of buying one
Jul 19 21:45:23 <thomaschaaf> who does then.. I thought 17th was some special day
Jul 19 21:45:27 <gaurav_> it's either a Pre 3 or TouchPad
Jul 19 21:45:30 <sugardave> you got to get one of those
Jul 19 21:45:32 <sugardave> they're awesome
Jul 19 21:45:34 <CLU> anyone running rTorrent on a pre?
Jul 19 21:45:41 <gaurav_> wait
Jul 19 21:45:45 <thomaschaaf> why would you want that :/
Jul 19 21:45:47 <gaurav_> you can run rTorrent on a Pre?
Jul 19 21:46:02 <twbbas> Pre 3 or TouchPad... that's a tough decision there
Jul 19 21:46:08 <thomaschaaf> pre 3
Jul 19 21:46:10 <sugardave> I vote both
Jul 19 21:46:11 <CLU> yeah jusy read it on precentral
Jul 19 21:46:14 <twbbas> Yeah, I'd probably go for the Pre 3
Jul 19 21:46:14 <gaurav_> Pre 3 personally
Jul 19 21:46:15 <thomaschaaf> finally a camera one can work wit
Jul 19 21:46:21 <Loudergood> it's in optware, along with sabnzbd
Jul 19 21:46:27 <gaurav_> I'm sick and tired of my iPhone 3GS
Jul 19 21:46:30 <gaurav_> iOS can lick my balls
Jul 19 21:46:37 <CLU> get a pre :)
Jul 19 21:46:42 <twbbas> I'm tired of my life-support using Pre-
Jul 19 21:46:45 <gaurav_> I'm waiting for a Pre 3
Jul 19 21:46:48 <CLU> iOS will die
Jul 19 21:46:54 <summatusmentis> CLU: in theory you can run whatever you want, but your carrier will hate you
Jul 19 21:46:59 <thomaschaaf> well pre1, pre plus and pre2 all suck balls - I want to take apicture not a blurry something
Jul 19 21:47:00 <CLU> i want a pre3 to
Jul 19 21:47:02 <summatusmentis> hah, iOS will die, that's funny
Jul 19 21:47:14 <CLU> ahh tesco won't mind. i have unlimited data
Jul 19 21:47:18 <twbbas> Pre 2 is nice
Jul 19 21:47:24 <gaurav_> if everything major in iOS 5 was announced in WWDC, I feel sorry for their users
Jul 19 21:47:26 <twbbas> I wouldn't mind using a Pre 2 on Sprint for the next year
Jul 19 21:47:27 <CLU> webOS is the way forward
Jul 19 21:47:40 <CLU> microsoft and mac will scream
Jul 19 21:47:41 <summatusmentis> CLU: usually even unlimited data has caps
Jul 19 21:47:44 <thomaschaaf> twbbas: still sometimes feels like an oreo
Jul 19 21:47:53 <summatusmentis> twbbas: that's probably my plan
Jul 19 21:48:01 <gaurav_> I'm on O2 and they definitely wont have the Pre 3 :/
Jul 19 21:48:02 <CLU> yeah 1GB
Jul 19 21:48:02 <dwc-> wish the pre2 would get some minor os updates to fix all those bugs I keep running into :P
Jul 19 21:48:05 <twbbas> thomaschaaf: I have no experience with Pre 2 oreo but I also hardly use my Pre 2. Only for dev'ing
Jul 19 21:48:08 <gaurav_> I'll have to buy the Pre 3 unlocked
Jul 19 21:48:20 <dwc-> then it'd be nicer to use
Jul 19 21:48:20 <fxspec06> hey guys. is there anyway to like, update a submission request? my app was submitted on sunday.. and i need to edit it before it goes live.. like one file needs to be changed from 'p.png' to 'P.png' ..... where would i go to do this? i don't want to lose my place in the 'first come, first review' list
Jul 19 21:48:21 <CLU> no because palm pulled out of o2
Jul 19 21:48:31 <gaurav_> Palm pulled out of O2?!
Jul 19 21:48:36 <CLU> yep
Jul 19 21:48:41 <summatusmentis> pulling out is the only sure way
Jul 19 21:48:42 <twbbas> fxspec06: Nope. You have to request rejection and then re-submit
Jul 19 21:48:44 <thomaschaaf> yep they should just bring out little updates ever so often
Jul 19 21:48:45 <gaurav_> first I've heard of that, CLU
Jul 19 21:48:50 <CLU> just before pre 2 was released in uk
Jul 19 21:48:51 <fxspec06> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrerrr.
Jul 19 21:48:51 <thomaschaaf> not one major every 5 years
Jul 19 21:49:03 <thomaschaaf> just update maps week 1 then facebook week 2 etc..
Jul 19 21:49:10 <CLU> i work for telecoms in the UK i know alot
Jul 19 21:49:11 <gaurav_> I thought O2 said no to the Pre 2 because the Pre was such a bomb
Jul 19 21:49:13 <fxspec06> oh well, IT'S GOING THROUGH.
Jul 19 21:49:29 <CLU> no palm pulled out.
Jul 19 21:49:34 <gaurav_> where do you live CLU
Jul 19 21:49:35 <thomaschaaf> I did a questionaire for o2
Jul 19 21:49:45 <thomaschaaf> if I wanted to see the pre2 on it
Jul 19 21:49:49 <CLU> south west of england
Jul 19 21:49:49 <halfhalo-work> heh
Jul 19 21:49:55 <gaurav_> near London?
Jul 19 21:50:08 <CLU> yeah 65 miles south of london
Jul 19 21:50:09 <gaurav_> any Londoners here for that matter?
Jul 19 21:50:14 <thomaschaaf> germany
Jul 19 21:50:17 <thomaschaaf> guy later told me the people said it was shitty compared to an iphone
Jul 19 21:50:25 <thomaschaaf> at least thats what people said
Jul 19 21:50:29 <thomaschaaf> and even android
Jul 19 21:50:39 <gaurav_> CLU: we're hosting a regular webOS meetup, you should make it if you can
Jul 19 21:50:45 <thomaschaaf> and because they knew the people that really wanted them wil find a way
Jul 19 21:50:46 <gaurav_> "webOS London"
Jul 19 21:50:57 <gaurav_> http://meetup.com/webos-london
Jul 19 21:51:07 <thomaschaaf> I'm in london from 3rd of oct to 5th
Jul 19 21:51:34 <gaurav_> hopefully our Oct meetup will fall in those dates, thomaschaaf
Jul 19 21:51:40 <gaurav_> we haven't set a date for our first event
Jul 19 21:51:45 <thomaschaaf> is anyone here running chrome dev build?
Jul 19 21:51:46 <gaurav_> but it will be the same day every month
Jul 19 21:51:53 <thomaschaaf> what is that in the upper left corner?!
Jul 19 21:52:06 <thomaschaaf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-07-19_2346.png
Jul 19 21:52:24 <twbbas> chrome profiles, neat
Jul 19 21:52:36 <twbbas> I'd guess something similar to ChromeOS but for the browser Chrome
Jul 19 21:52:51 <twbbas> booksmarks, extensions, etc
Jul 19 21:53:15 <thomaschaaf> But why not have two computer accounts...
Jul 19 21:53:30 <summatusmentis> profiles are for chumps, everything you do should be accessible by everyone else, ever
Jul 19 21:54:26 <thomaschaaf> I love/hate how bad the search in the app catalog is..
Jul 19 21:54:45 <twbbas> thomaschaaf: For public computers or when you borrow someone else's comp
Jul 19 21:55:06 <twbbas> I could go to the library and log into my chrome profile
Jul 19 21:55:07 <thomaschaaf> twbbas: I can see that
Jul 19 21:55:20 <thomaschaaf> fair enough
Jul 19 21:55:23 <twbbas> That's the only main advantage I see of ChromeOS too
Jul 19 21:55:25 <gaurav_> lol summatusmentis
Jul 19 21:55:36 <twbbas> I think it'd be a great public computer
Jul 19 21:55:44 <gaurav_> thomaschaaf: what's bad about App Catalog search?
Jul 19 21:56:04 <thomaschaaf> gaurav_: SEO or misoptimization
Jul 19 21:56:17 <twbbas> I want to be able to put tags on my apps without having to say those tags in the description
Jul 19 21:56:17 <thomaschaaf> just put stuff people will search for in the description
Jul 19 21:56:38 <thomaschaaf> I have stuff like doodle jump etc. in mine I get tons of traffic that way..
Jul 19 21:56:46 <twbbas> lol
Jul 19 21:57:11 <thomaschaaf> people have had an iphone in their hand and ask their friends
Jul 19 21:57:24 <thomaschaaf> it takes a while for them to understand that not every app will be available
Jul 19 21:57:32 <thomaschaaf> and then their face goes :(
Jul 19 21:58:12 <thomaschaaf> how many of you have pi master installed?!
Jul 19 21:58:44 <twbbas> I've found a lot of people don't understand that apps aren't specific to the carrier
Jul 19 21:59:01 <twbbas> That's what they assume. Instead of the apps being specific to the OS.
Jul 19 21:59:47 <thomaschaaf> wounder when imessage or what ever is called is coming to webos and android in a way that works just like it
Jul 19 22:00:09 <thomaschaaf> if both people have a data connection it uses that else it actually sends a text message
Jul 19 22:00:29 <thomaschaaf> but not os specific
Jul 19 22:00:35 <thomaschaaf> and not in a seperate app
Jul 19 22:01:35 <twbbas> Yeah that's pretty nifty
Jul 19 22:01:53 <twbbas> I assume we'd have to get push notifications first, though
Jul 19 22:03:17 <thomaschaaf> twbbas: just use now.js
Jul 19 22:03:41 <bluen__> Wondering if anyone here tried ubuntu on the TouchPad. I get  apt-get not found. Any suggestions?
Jul 19 22:03:46 <thomaschaaf> or http://www.pusher.com/ which is now.js without the need to use it
Jul 19 22:03:56 <thomaschaaf> bluen__: aptitude
Jul 19 22:04:05 <twbbas> bluen__: I haven't tried it because I don't want to meta-doctor
Jul 19 22:04:06 <thomaschaaf> bluen__: aptitude search blabla
Jul 19 22:04:15 <thomaschaaf> and aptitude update
Jul 19 22:06:47 <Loudergood> that's weird, apt-get worked for me
Jul 19 22:06:56 <bluen__> doesn't work for me.
Jul 19 22:07:09 <thomaschaaf> hm
Jul 19 22:07:13 <thomaschaaf> bluen__: sudo?
Jul 19 22:07:42 <bluen__> Open Xectuah, then start Xserver start Xterm Start Ubuntu is that right?
Jul 19 22:08:17 <Loudergood> don't start xterm
Jul 19 22:10:58 <thomaschaaf> currently trying to decide on a ssd for my laptop
Jul 19 22:11:45 <Tibfib> get THAT one
Jul 19 22:11:52 <Tibfib> no, not that one
Jul 19 22:11:53 <Tibfib> THAT one.
Jul 19 22:12:03 <thomaschaaf> hehe
Jul 19 22:12:07 <Loudergood> it's worth it
Jul 19 22:12:13 <thomaschaaf> my laptops drive said goodbye
Jul 19 22:12:25 <thomaschaaf> now I am trying to figure out how much I need..
Jul 19 22:12:27 <Loudergood> no longer having to worry about moving while the drive is spinning is nice
Jul 19 22:12:39 <thomaschaaf> 32 GB is a bit to little
Jul 19 22:12:43 <Loudergood> 60 is tight for a dual boot environment
Jul 19 22:12:44 <thomaschaaf> 40 aswell
Jul 19 22:12:50 <thomaschaaf> just windows
Jul 19 22:13:04 <Loudergood> 60 will probably be good then
Jul 19 22:13:05 <thomaschaaf> + 15 GB dropbox
Jul 19 22:13:09 <Loudergood> ooh
Jul 19 22:13:19 <Loudergood> that's big
Jul 19 22:14:10 <thomaschaaf> and after effects, google chrome, audacity, mockups, webos, thunderbird, firefox, photoshop, office
Jul 19 22:14:32 <thomaschaaf> looking at the specs at what they are saying they need
Jul 19 22:14:51 <thomaschaaf> so many great apps
Jul 19 22:15:04 <thomaschaaf> do you guys know synergy?
Jul 19 22:15:28 <thomaschaaf> or jing?
Jul 19 22:17:27 <thomaschaaf> hmm what site do I look at to find a ssd for ~60 GB and ones that don't break instantly?
Jul 19 22:19:00 <Loudergood> good luck
Jul 19 22:19:12 <Loudergood> I've had an OCZ vertex 2 for almost a year now
Jul 19 22:20:17 <thomaschaaf> Loudergood: do you know if this is good: http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Agility-OCZSSD2-2AGTE60G-Solid-Festplatte/dp/B003MX0VJM/ref=sr_1_19?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1311113435&sr=1-19
Jul 19 22:20:29 <Loudergood> wait, nevermind
Jul 19 22:20:33 <Loudergood> that's the one I have
Jul 19 22:20:43 <bluen__> hmmn, I uninstalled all the packages and re-installed. I ran just Xecutah, then started X-Server and Ubuntu, a bunch of text flashed and then the screen turned checkered. I'm using bluetooth keyboard so did not install 3.0 developer.
Jul 19 22:20:47 <Loudergood> just make sure you update the firmware
Jul 19 22:22:05 <Loudergood> thomaschaaf: it is old though, get the next generation if you can
Jul 19 22:22:12 <Loudergood> http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Agility-State-AGT3-25SAT3-60G/dp/B004Z0S6RU/ref=pd_cp_e_3
Jul 19 22:25:56 <thomaschaaf> was looking at spending 60€ at the beginning now at 102€ .,.
Jul 19 22:26:18 <Loudergood> hate it when that happens
Jul 19 22:26:42 <Loudergood> only reason I mentioned that was that they are within $5 of each other here
Jul 19 22:26:46 <thomaschaaf> Loudergood: what is the difference between agility and vertex?
Jul 19 22:27:02 <Loudergood> vertex are the top speed version
Jul 19 22:27:11 <Loudergood> but that's all I really know
Jul 19 22:27:35 <Loudergood> my laptop only supports 1st gen sata so it didn't really matter to me
Jul 19 22:28:50 <thomaschaaf> Loudergood: does that degrade?
Jul 19 22:29:22 <thomaschaaf> how do I find out if my stupid laptop can do sata2 or 3 -.-
Jul 19 22:30:28 <Loudergood> yeah it's backwards compatible
Jul 19 22:30:38 <Loudergood> what do you have for a laptop?
Jul 19 22:30:56 <thomaschaaf> lenovo edge nud2ege
Jul 19 22:31:01 <Loudergood> wow this e17 ui isn't bad at all on the pre2
Jul 19 22:32:17 <thomaschaaf> 01962EG
Jul 19 22:33:06 <Loudergood> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Hardware_Specifications
Jul 19 22:34:18 <thomaschaaf> Loudergood: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Edge_13%22 says nothing
Jul 19 22:35:59 <dwc-> nud2ege? never heard of that model
Jul 19 22:36:27 <thomaschaaf> don't buy it
Jul 19 22:36:34 <thomaschaaf> breaks after half a year
Jul 19 22:36:46 <thomaschaaf> and lenovo is telling me it's my fault
Jul 19 22:37:07 <dwc-> but
Jul 19 22:37:08 <dwc-> Ready to buy? ThinkPad Edge 14"
Jul 19 22:37:08 <dwc-> Price:  $0.00
Jul 19 22:37:08 <dwc-> 14'' models
Jul 19 22:38:02 <thomaschaaf> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lyahag6ajh641t
Jul 19 22:38:11 <thomaschaaf> fucking retarded computer makes me angry
Jul 19 22:38:24 <dwc-> what broke exactly?
Jul 19 22:38:25 <thomaschaaf> most picture from october
Jul 19 22:39:12 <thomaschaaf> harddrive -> BSOD, Keyboard and the device is getting to hot or something so the paint is falling of the bottom
Jul 19 22:39:30 <dwc-> I see what looks like possibly heat damage to the paint on the bottom...
Jul 19 22:39:47 <dwc-> what's wrong with the keyboard?
Jul 19 22:40:07 <dwc-> all I see is what looks like dust and crumbs (at least that's what I have on mine)
Jul 19 22:40:13 <thomaschaaf> just popped out on one side
Jul 19 22:40:21 <thomaschaaf> now it wobbles
Jul 19 22:42:23 <dwc-> that sucks
Jul 19 22:42:51 <thomaschaaf> and the old specs don't say anything about sata 2 or 3
Jul 19 22:42:52 <thomaschaaf> http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/pdf/notebooks/ThinkPad/Edge-Series/ThinkPad%20Edge%20jan2010.pdf
Jul 19 22:43:04 <thomaschaaf> the new ones have sata 3..
Jul 19 22:43:15 <dwc-> does lspci give you mfr:prod pci ids?
Jul 19 22:43:47 <thomaschaaf> I have windows on this machine
Jul 19 22:44:06 <edektor> Anybody been able to get the SDK install in OSX lion?
Jul 19 22:44:21 <dwc-> in the device manager, you can get the pci ids out of the device properties
Jul 19 22:44:39 <dwc-> that might give enough of a hint as to what the chipset/product is to search for sata2 v 3
Jul 19 22:45:56 <thomaschaaf> It's a ICH9M-E/M but google search is full of crap
Jul 19 22:52:29 <edektor> anybody?
Jul 19 22:53:12 <dwc-> I think ich9 is too old for sata3
Jul 19 22:54:11 <thomaschaaf> edektor: what do you need?
Jul 19 22:54:15 <thomaschaaf> dwc-: I guess
Jul 19 22:54:25 <thomaschaaf> but it is up and downwards compatibel so 60GB OCZ Agility 3
Jul 19 22:54:31 <thomaschaaf> is the drive I am gettng
Jul 19 22:54:46 <dwc-> my guess is it's sata2
Jul 19 22:54:48 <edektor> I was trying to get the sdk up and running
Jul 19 22:54:55 <edektor> I have lion os x installed though
Jul 19 22:54:55 <thomaschaaf> 100€ for 60 GB :/
Jul 19 22:54:56 <dwc-> intel usually has decent docs on their chipsets though
Jul 19 22:55:00 <edektor> and the installation fails
Jul 19 22:55:12 <thomaschaaf> edektor: is java installed?
Jul 19 22:55:23 <thomaschaaf> did you skip an instruction?
Jul 19 22:55:39 <edektor> java version "1.6.0_26"
Jul 19 22:55:40 <thomaschaaf> can you start the install from terminal so we can see the output?
Jul 19 22:56:02 <edektor> yeah one sec
Jul 19 22:56:35 <dwc-> the SDK install on a mac isn't just double click?
Jul 19 22:57:03 <thomaschaaf> should be but I need logs
Jul 19 22:57:32 <dwc-> I don't even know how to launch those things on a mac other than 'open ...' which is the same as double clicking
Jul 19 22:57:35 <dwc-> <-- mac noob
Jul 19 22:57:42 <edektor> http://pastie.org/2239807
Jul 19 22:57:45 <edektor> that is the error
Jul 19 22:58:06 <thomaschaaf> dwc-: I can't use macs
Jul 19 22:58:15 <thomaschaaf> since my password has a @ in it
Jul 19 22:58:31 <dwc-> what does that do?
Jul 19 22:58:47 <thomaschaaf> and on german macs you have to press press command k or some shit
Jul 19 23:00:55 <edektor> did you take a look at that pastie?
Jul 19 23:01:29 <thomaschaaf> edektor: wow
Jul 19 23:01:35 <thomaschaaf> I have no idea
Jul 19 23:01:44 <edektor> Okay
Jul 19 23:01:46 <edektor> thanks anyways
Jul 19 23:01:46 <thomaschaaf> is there another version installed?
Jul 19 23:01:54 <thomaschaaf> like 2.*?
Jul 19 23:01:54 <edektor> umm there might be
Jul 19 23:01:58 <thomaschaaf> maybe try uninstalling it
Jul 19 23:02:01 <edektor> shoudl I unistall it first
Jul 19 23:02:03 <edektor> Okay I will
Jul 19 23:02:05 <edektor> thanks
Jul 19 23:02:12 <thomaschaaf> I think some things are eating themselves
Jul 19 23:02:19 <thomaschaaf> but I have no idea to be honest :(
Jul 19 23:02:26 <edektor> Okay I'll try that and let you know
Jul 19 23:02:31 <edektor> thank you
Jul 19 23:02:32 <thomaschaaf> maybe try restarting - lots of driver stuff there
Jul 19 23:02:41 <thomaschaaf> yes macs too
Jul 19 23:03:44 <thomaschaaf> one more TED talk then bed
Jul 19 23:04:29 <dwc-> I started with the bottom one in the TED app
Jul 19 23:04:40 <dwc-> I've been keeping up with them as they're deleted, but hardly catching up
Jul 19 23:04:47 <haeffb> so, anyone who's been following my "losing my job" saga....
Jul 19 23:04:58 <thomaschaaf> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/itvu5/my_ted_talk_has_just_been_published_ama/ that one
Jul 19 23:05:05 <haeffb> ... I now have a new job, same location
Jul 19 23:05:11 <haeffb> so, that's good.
Jul 19 23:05:20 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: what are you now?
Jul 19 23:05:41 <haeffb> Area Engineer for state transportation department
Jul 19 23:06:00 <dwc-> nice
Jul 19 23:06:00 <thomaschaaf> I don't know what you do from that title :(
Jul 19 23:06:03 <haeffb> working with cities, counties, residents to solve their transportation problems
Jul 19 23:06:10 <thomaschaaf> k
Jul 19 23:06:21 <haeffb> "Hi, I'm with the government and I'm here to help..."
Jul 19 23:06:52 <dwc-> I got a transportation problem... my car is broke
Jul 19 23:06:53 <thomaschaaf> put wifi in buses -> make gas even more expensive -> people will ride it
Jul 19 23:08:20 <dwc-> make gas more expensive -> "people" get upset -> politicians lose their jobs
Jul 19 23:08:27 <dwc-> so guess what doesn't happen!
Jul 19 23:08:42 <thomaschaaf> well just wait it will happen automatically :)
Jul 19 23:08:59 <dwc-> well, it sorta has
Jul 19 23:09:16 <dwc-> I remember back in the late 1980s gasoline was ~1/4 the cost it is now
Jul 19 23:09:32 <thomaschaaf> in germany it was 1/8th
Jul 19 23:10:02 <dwc-> ($0.89 USD / US gallon)
Jul 19 23:10:28 <dwc-> right now here, it's just under $4
Jul 19 23:10:55 <haeffb> US populations are just too spread out to make mass transit solutions workable
Jul 19 23:11:18 <haeffb> they're fine on the east cost, and larger cities.
Jul 19 23:11:26 <thomaschaaf> right now I am paying 8.34 USD per Gallon at the cheapest station in germany
Jul 19 23:11:35 <haeffb> $3.49 here
Jul 19 23:11:56 <dwc-> euro gas has lots of taxes to support the transit and road maintenance
Jul 19 23:12:16 <haeffb> ours is $0.35 per gallon.
Jul 19 23:12:26 <thomaschaaf> WTF?
Jul 19 23:12:32 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: UAE?
Jul 19 23:12:32 <haeffb> No kidding.
Jul 19 23:12:38 <dwc-> what's that including haeffb? state+local+sales taxes?
Jul 19 23:12:52 <thomaschaaf> oh I the tax
Jul 19 23:13:00 <thomaschaaf> I thought your price per gallon
Jul 19 23:13:07 <thomaschaaf> ours is about 30%
Jul 19 23:13:10 <haeffb> That's in Missouri - includes $0.17 state tax, and $0.18 federal tax
Jul 19 23:13:36 <haeffb> neither of which have increased in a decade or more
Jul 19 23:13:49 <haeffb> and politicians will be fired if they try to raise taxes
Jul 19 23:13:59 <dwc-> they need to index a lot of these things to inflation
Jul 19 23:14:20 <haeffb> My job would be a heck of a lot easier if we had a reasonable fuel tax to support transportation infrastructure
Jul 19 23:14:38 <haeffb> dwc- definitely so. But they don't.
Jul 19 23:14:39 <dwc-> CA's is somewhere around 45c
Jul 19 23:15:02 <dwc-> if it's going to keep the roads from being filled with potholes
Jul 19 23:15:09 <dwc-> it needs to go up as the cost of filling the potholes goes up....
Jul 19 23:15:49 <haeffb> seems like common sense, doesn't it?  Instead, MoDOT is cutting 1200 jobs (from 6300), closing 100+ buildings, selling fleet...
Jul 19 23:15:59 <dwc-> this is being exacerbated as vehicle mileage goes up... a toyota prius pays half the gas taxes per mile as a similar car that gets 25mpg
Jul 19 23:16:05 <haeffb> our roads are going to go to hell.
Jul 19 23:16:40 <haeffb> while our politicians argue whether we should raise the "debt ceiling"
Jul 19 23:16:58 <dwc-> honestly, I wish instead of giving the investment bankers more money to "stimulate" the economy, we should have hired a bunch of (legal first, undocumented next) immigrants to fill the potholes and repair infrastructure
Jul 19 23:17:17 <haeffb> meh. Enough politics. (This is all related to #webos because my day job keeps me from writing wonderful apps...!)
Jul 19 23:17:43 <dwc-> well, you had to go and get another job, didn't you!
Jul 19 23:19:44 <haeffb> yeah...turns out I did. Enyo app sales don't feed the family :)
Jul 19 23:20:43 <haeffb> according to the portal, I have a grand total of 2 downloads.
Jul 19 23:20:56 <thomaschaaf> LOL
Jul 19 23:21:17 <thomaschaaf> I have 100000+ and all of them were written in 5 hours or less
Jul 19 23:21:20 <dwc-> if someone gives me a touchpad, I promise to buy their app ;)
Jul 19 23:21:32 <dwc-> (as long as it's less than $200)
Jul 19 23:21:39 <thomaschaaf> haha
Jul 19 23:21:50 <thomaschaaf> just wanted to create an app for 2grand
Jul 19 23:21:54 <thomaschaaf> and then make you buy it
Jul 19 23:26:25 <thomaschaaf> I should sleep
Jul 19 23:41:25 <haeffb> dual booting to windows to set up this printer....
Jul 19 23:41:27 <haeffb> bbl
Jul 20 00:29:16 <fxspec06> lalalalala
Jul 20 00:29:23 <fxspec06> i'm bored
Jul 20 00:30:49 <haeffb> my printer don't werk
Jul 20 00:32:00 <haeffb> and, the TouchPad says "This printer is currently not supported" WTF?????
Jul 20 00:32:30 <rrix> why??????
Jul 20 00:32:51 <fxspec06> and it's an HP printer i take it
Jul 20 00:33:06 <haeffb> HP Laserjet Professional p1102w
Jul 20 00:33:24 * haeffb pissed
Jul 20 00:33:39 * haeffb blames oil 
Jul 20 00:33:42 <fxspec06> it even has similar model # to the pre
Jul 20 00:34:08 <oil> :/
Jul 20 00:34:24 * haeffb blames oil and everyone at HP
Jul 20 00:34:33 * fxspec06 blames oil too
Jul 20 00:35:04 <funkatron> what I don't get is why I can't print to every printer from the touchpad. CUPS anyone?
Jul 20 00:35:33 <funkatron> BUELLER
Jul 20 00:35:34 <oil> lol
Jul 20 00:35:37 * haeffb specifically bought this printer to test printing from TP
Jul 20 00:35:45 <funkatron> :ughh:
Jul 20 00:35:49 <haeffb> and IT DOESN'T F'ING WORK!
Jul 20 00:35:49 <oil> you're forgetting the 300mb of hp drivers!
Jul 20 00:35:58 <funkatron> have people tried out the new emoticons in Spaz HD 0.3.x?
Jul 20 00:36:02 <haeffb> TP doesn't have drivers
Jul 20 00:36:19 <haeffb> it's supposed to "work like nothing else"
Jul 20 00:36:21 <funkatron> it definitely lacks GPU drivers.
Jul 20 00:36:23 <oil> lol
Jul 20 00:36:25 <funkatron> :rimshot:
Jul 20 00:36:37 <funkatron> take my wife, please
Jul 20 00:36:57 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 00:37:36 <fxspec06> guess they're new 'everybody, print' campaign had to be scratched
Jul 20 00:37:40 <fxspec06> their*
Jul 20 00:37:50 <haeffb> THIS IS BULLSHIT!
Jul 20 00:38:09 <haeffb> Adora: Send me a new printer.
Jul 20 00:38:16 <haeffb> sugardave: you, too.
Jul 20 00:38:19 * funkatron throws ink
Jul 20 00:38:38 <oil> its cause your printer isnt running webos yet
Jul 20 00:38:55 <fxspec06> haeffb: i'll trade you my hp inkjet printer for your touchpad =)
Jul 20 00:39:17 <haeffb> The webOS print solution will support all network-capable HP printers that support PCL page description language in the local LAN. These printers include new HP ePrint-capable printers—Photosmart, Officejet, and LaserJet—as well as legacy printers approximately 5 years old or newer. ePrint requires an Internet connection to the printer. Feature works with any Internet- and email-capable device and will require a firmware upgrade. Print times may vary. For
Jul 20 00:39:17 <haeffb>  a list of supported documents and image types, see www.hp.com/go/ePrintCenter.
Jul 20 00:39:38 <funkatron> "feature will require document editing support"
Jul 20 00:39:41 <funkatron> okay I made that up
Jul 20 00:41:07 <fxspec06> i guess when they said all these will be supported, they really chose their words carefully and meant that eventually all these will be supported.
Jul 20 00:41:35 <haeffb> "will support"
Jul 20 00:41:47 <funkatron> "will"
Jul 20 00:41:55 <haeffb> "in the coming months"
Jul 20 00:42:03 <fxspec06> you can't just 'will' your printer into working
Jul 20 00:42:06 * haeffb goes to amazon to order a f'ing iPad2
Jul 20 00:42:16 <funkatron> I like my iPad2
Jul 20 00:42:30 * haeffb takes the TP back to Sam's Club.
Jul 20 00:42:45 <fxspec06> apple's gonna take a dump on everyone in september
Jul 20 00:42:46 * haeffb deletes all webOS app code from my computer
Jul 20 00:43:48 * fxspec06 wonders if steve jobs has cloned himself yet
Jul 20 00:44:04 <funkatron> I'm sure the clone is growing in an artificial uterus as we speak
Jul 20 00:44:12 <haeffb> too bad I couldn't have PRINTED A F'ING BACKUP FIRST
Jul 20 00:58:08 <halfhalo-work> weeeee
Jul 20 00:59:29 <fxspec06> wooooooo
Jul 20 01:09:08 <dwc-> halfhalo: yume ya is good stuff
Jul 20 01:12:10 <bluen_> hi guys. got libre office working. also installed chromium browser and icewm
Jul 20 01:12:46 <halfhalo> dwc-: what type of food is it?
Jul 20 01:12:55 * halfhalo totally just got into his temp place 30 minutes ago
Jul 20 01:13:31 <bluen_> wondering how I get these programs back once I toss the card?
Jul 20 01:56:02 <dwc-> sushi
Jul 20 01:56:18 <dwc-> you should go, esp if you can get one of them to pay for it ;)
Jul 20 01:56:28 <dwc-> well, japanese and sushi
Jul 20 01:56:32 <dwc-> not just sushi
Jul 20 02:01:56 <sugardave> haeffb: oh no :(  I didn't have any trouble with my printer at all
Jul 20 02:02:39 <haeffb> sigh
Jul 20 02:02:51 <haeffb> this new iPad2 is pretty nice, though.
Jul 20 02:04:46 <funkatron> I am fatigued by webOS
Jul 20 02:05:41 <Tibfib> funkatron: +1
Jul 20 02:05:47 <haeffb> funkatron: I was suffering from zero motivation for a long time. The TP and enyo helped to get me excited again.
Jul 20 02:06:03 <haeffb> but I've run into soo many problems that I'm not sure it's worth it
Jul 20 02:06:12 <funkatron> yeah
Jul 20 02:06:31 <Tibfib> I think if palm decides not to license enyo, and webOS continues doing how it's been doing, I'm jumping.
Jul 20 02:06:35 <funkatron> Enyo not being FOSS – still – has killed a lot of my motivation
Jul 20 02:06:36 <funkatron> yeah
Jul 20 02:06:43 <funkatron> I basically feel the same way as you, Tibfib
Jul 20 02:07:11 <haeffb> damn. adora missed it by literally seconds.
Jul 20 02:07:15 <cxreg> is there _any_ way to take a photo on the pad right now?
Jul 20 02:07:23 <cxreg> i cant find a damn thing
Jul 20 02:07:29 <funkatron> so that's why Spaz HD will only be available on BlackBerry now
Jul 20 02:07:40 <Tibfib> haha
Jul 20 02:07:57 <funkatron> 8)
Jul 20 02:08:01 <Tibfib> I'm considering taking my touchpad money to either a iPod touch or iPad or a wp7 device
Jul 20 02:08:34 <Tibfib> the discount is helping me keep wanting a touchpad though.
Jul 20 02:08:50 <appsotutely> Anyone have experience getting Quick Launch to do an action and then quit or open up only a dashboard stage?
Jul 20 02:08:53 <funkatron> yeah no doubt
Jul 20 02:08:54 * rwhitby goes to buy a BlackBerry to continue using Spaz HD
Jul 20 02:09:13 <funkatron> rwhitby: if you wait a few months I bet you'll be able to get them REAL cheap
Jul 20 02:10:27 <rwhitby> I love it when a tool I wrote over a year ago (Save/Restore) saves me time again and again when I doctor my phone.
Jul 20 02:11:07 <rwhitby> drPodder feeds back instantly, including the positions of any episodes I was half-way through.
Jul 20 02:25:43 <bnceo> so question: on the TouchPad, are we still getting media index issues?
Jul 20 02:25:56 <bnceo> Cause I put in mp4 files and they dont' show up in the Photos and Videos app
Jul 20 02:28:36 <dwc-> reboot?
Jul 20 02:28:58 <bnceo> tried that. no go
Jul 20 02:29:10 <bnceo> tho If I used Internalz, I can watch the video just fine
Jul 20 02:31:02 <appsotutely> I still was having the occasional media indexer issue. I'd have to plug it into USB mode, add something, then pull the plug to kick back into indexing. Not that this is a particularly good solution ...
Jul 20 02:31:35 <bnceo> you mean get the "OUCH..." message?
Jul 20 02:32:08 <appsotutely> sounds about right.  I had to return by TP.  Waiting for the dev discounted one.
Jul 20 02:33:29 <bnceo> what belt color are you? If you can say that is
Jul 20 02:34:02 <appsotutely> haven't found out yet, but even if my apps are all counted, I can't get to 10 just yet.
Jul 20 02:34:19 <bnceo> hah. it worked
Jul 20 02:34:26 <bnceo> tho love how it doesn't tell you the name of it
Jul 20 02:34:47 <bnceo> wow. I think Imma use Internalz
Jul 20 02:34:48 <appsotutely> the mp4?
Jul 20 02:34:53 <bnceo> ya
Jul 20 02:35:09 <bnceo> just says Videos at the top. And no name to indicate what I want to watch
Jul 20 02:35:53 <appsotutely> useful, right? It's like chat roulette with your own videos.
Jul 20 02:36:56 <dwc-> pretty sure my videos all have less male genitalia
Jul 20 02:37:38 <bnceo> appsotutely: so true. I know the SVU episodes at 40 min
Jul 20 02:37:48 <bnceo> but I can't count on it to be in alpha order
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