**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 20 02:59:57 2011
Jul 20 03:06:57 <PatrickC> fxspec06: you love P|C don't you :)
Jul 20 03:12:27 * DougReeder waves hello
Jul 20 03:12:35 <PatrickC> hey DougReeder!
Jul 20 03:14:12 <DougReeder> I just totalled it up, and my apps have been stuck in "ready for review" for a week. Anyone elese having similar problems?
Jul 20 03:14:44 <PatrickC> I haven't submitted any lately
Jul 20 03:15:02 <haeffb> hi DougReeder
Jul 20 03:15:10 <PatrickC> ask chuqui or Adora
Jul 20 03:15:28 <haeffb> no, I had apps approved on Monday that I submitted late last week
Jul 20 03:15:35 <haeffb> like Thurs evening
Jul 20 03:15:36 <DougReeder> On June 27, updates went through in one business day.
Jul 20 03:15:55 <haeffb> too much champagne in early July?
Jul 20 03:16:10 <DougReeder> [nods] just sent mail to pdc
Jul 20 03:16:10 <bpadalino> maybe they are too busy with the OTA update?
Jul 20 03:16:36 <DougReeder> Not the same people I think.
Jul 20 03:17:48 <PatrickC> wonderful lol http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/files/3_2011-19-07_220957.png
Jul 20 03:18:24 <DougReeder> Hopefully it can be resolved soon - I have another update almost ready to roll.  Auto backup, should help on the TP
Jul 20 03:19:13 <PatrickC> everyone download "3 in a row"
Jul 20 03:19:53 <DougReeder> I'm currently using the TP web SQL db bug to reset my app. :-)
Jul 20 03:21:04 <DougReeder> Ah, Bejeweled clone?
Jul 20 03:21:15 <PatrickC> download it and see :)
Jul 20 03:23:38 <haeffb> DougReeder: are you using SQLite db's ?
Jul 20 03:24:07 <DougReeder> [nods] Oh, yes.
Jul 20 03:24:12 <haeffb> nice.
Jul 20 03:24:30 <haeffb> sigh.
Jul 20 03:25:49 <DougReeder> I'm surprised "3 in a row" got into the app catalog.
Jul 20 03:26:19 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 20 03:26:23 <PatrickC> see what I mean
Jul 20 03:28:50 <DougReeder> There's a thread where a dev complains the reviewer failed to tap any buttons in his app.
Jul 20 03:30:09 <haeffb> but it had an app menu with Edit & Help.
Jul 20 03:30:21 <haeffb> you know, the important stuff
Jul 20 03:30:48 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 03:30:55 <DougReeder> [snorts]
Jul 20 03:33:20 <haeffb> anyone know if a db8 "merge" will create a new record if it doesn't already exist?
Jul 20 03:33:26 <Tibfib> haeffb: it will not
Jul 20 03:33:37 <haeffb> meh
Jul 20 03:33:41 <Tibfib> yep. meh.
Jul 20 03:34:36 <Tibfib> I had to suffer my way thru db8 back in the 2.0 sdk days. It sucked
Jul 20 03:34:41 <Tibfib> not a lot of documentation
Jul 20 03:34:43 <DougReeder> depends on what's in the object
Jul 20 03:34:49 <haeffb> will it index on a field that contains an array ?
Jul 20 03:35:05 <Tibfib> haeffb: dunno there
Jul 20 03:35:07 <haeffb> like tags: [tag1, tag2, tag3]
Jul 20 03:35:07 <DougReeder> I doubt it.
Jul 20 03:35:16 <Tibfib> yeah, probably not
Jul 20 03:35:28 <Tibfib> that'd be impressive
Jul 20 03:35:34 <DougReeder> But, it can tokenize text.
Jul 20 03:35:47 <DougReeder> ... abit slowly.
Jul 20 03:36:14 <haeffb> DougReeder: do you find SQLite performance on the TP to be painfully slow?
Jul 20 03:36:57 <DougReeder> Slow, but not painful, in very limited tests.
Jul 20 03:37:09 <Tibfib> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/hp-movie-store-hits-app-catalog/
Jul 20 03:37:24 * haeffb loads app catalog
Jul 20 03:37:36 * Tibfib wants
Jul 20 03:37:49 * Tibfib might get Lost
Jul 20 03:37:53 <PatrickC> Tibfib: Impostah
Jul 20 03:38:03 <Tibfib> PatrickC: huh?
Jul 20 03:38:12 <PatrickC> download it with Impostah?
Jul 20 03:38:20 <Tibfib> why?
Jul 20 03:38:31 <PatrickC> or do you have a tp?
Jul 20 03:38:39 * haeffb still waits for Netflix app
Jul 20 03:38:42 * Tibfib doesn't have one yet
Jul 20 03:38:58 <Tibfib> but why are you suggesting I use Impostah, even if I had a touchpad?
Jul 20 03:39:47 <PatrickC> if you don't have the tp, you can install I with Impostah
Jul 20 03:39:53 <PatrickC> (not sure how it'll look though)
Jul 20 03:40:01 <PatrickC> I did it with Kindle on my pre2
Jul 20 03:40:09 <DougReeder> merge w/o a query can create new DB8 records.
Jul 20 03:40:24 <haeffb> cool.
Jul 20 03:40:56 <haeffb> funny that the Movie Store has 23 5-star ratings and 15 1-star ratings
Jul 20 03:41:02 <haeffb> for the placeholder app
Jul 20 03:41:46 <haeffb> it's stuck in "Installing" mode
Jul 20 03:46:49 * haeffb debating whether to delete it (and lose my SQLite data) and reinstall 
Jul 20 03:47:08 <DougReeder> Ouch.
Jul 20 03:48:28 <haeffb> hmm... deleted it. And it's still there in the launcher
Jul 20 03:48:55 <haeffb> reboot
Jul 20 03:51:39 <dwc-> we'll let patrick tell us whether it works on the phone
Jul 20 03:51:49 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 03:52:36 <DougReeder> Is it known to use WebSQL databases?
Jul 20 03:53:44 <dwc-> we're waiting to see if patrick tells us it doesn't work
Jul 20 03:53:57 <PatrickC> what am I testing?
Jul 20 03:54:20 <dwc-> the movie store
Jul 20 03:55:09 <PatrickC> I need an appid
Jul 20 03:56:14 <rwhitby> com.google.plus <- there's one
Jul 20 03:56:14 * dwc- assumed the placeholder app had the same appid
Jul 20 03:56:54 <dwc-> (perhaps incorrectly)
Jul 20 03:57:11 <rwhitby> PatrickC: I presume you're looking for com.palm.app.moviestore ?
Jul 20 03:57:33 <PatrickC> rwhitby: figured
Jul 20 03:57:51 <PatrickC> I'm trying to download some helpdesk sw atm, so.. :)
Jul 20 03:58:08 <PatrickC> trying to do 3 things at once.. only on HP webOS
Jul 20 03:59:35 <haeffb> spinning circle of death
Jul 20 03:59:53 <PatrickC> browser?
Jul 20 04:00:22 <DougReeder> rwhitby, any new X goodies?
Jul 20 04:02:26 <PatrickC> dwc-: works here :)
Jul 20 04:03:14 <haeffb> $1.99 per TV episode ?
Jul 20 04:03:17 <dwc-> fancy
Jul 20 04:04:10 <PatrickC> doesn't display properly
Jul 20 04:04:12 <PatrickC> but works fine
Jul 20 04:05:45 <dwc-> what does that mean?
Jul 20 04:05:55 <DougReeder> Hey, does the webOS SDK work under Lion?  There were still some bugs, last I heard.
Jul 20 04:06:17 <PatrickC> dwc-: things don't fit on my pre2's screen
Jul 20 04:06:34 * rwhitby-pre intends to wait at least a month before installing Lion, to let things settle down first
Jul 20 04:06:59 <dwc-> important UI elements? the video stream?
Jul 20 04:08:53 <PatrickC> didn't try the video stream
Jul 20 04:08:59 <PatrickC> and yeah, kinda important ui
Jul 20 04:09:31 <DougReeder> I'll almost certainly wait a while anyway.
Jul 20 04:12:42 <DougReeder> [waving goodnight] Take care, all.
Jul 20 04:14:32 <PatrickC> night
Jul 20 06:01:20 <nohorse> veery interesting...
Jul 20 06:02:33 <dwc-> is it now
Jul 20 06:13:20 <nohorse> I turned on my Pre2 Del phone today on ATT and it's way better that the sprint pre i'd been using from 2009
Jul 20 06:22:41 <Ajay> hi all
Jul 20 06:23:06 <hotdp> hi
Jul 20 06:24:29 <Ajay> hotdp: i want to display dynamic data in virtual list data like slite , how can i ?
Jul 20 06:24:42 <Ajay> a simple code or link ?
Jul 20 06:24:57 <dkirker> hi Ajay
Jul 20 06:25:13 <Ajay> hi dkirker
Jul 20 06:26:20 <Ajay> any one pls help me ? i stuck in this prob from last tow days
Jul 20 06:26:48 <hotdp> I guess you mean enyo
Jul 20 06:26:59 <hotdp> That is no problem
Jul 20 06:27:09 <hotdp> Have you looked at the examples?
Jul 20 06:27:09 <Ajay> yes in enyo , i forget clear it :(
Jul 20 06:27:20 <Ajay> yes but those are static
Jul 20 06:27:24 <hotdp> No
Jul 20 06:27:34 <hotdp> There is like 4 different with af "Load" button
Jul 20 06:27:57 <hotdp> What kind of data is it?
Jul 20 06:28:25 <Ajay> sqlite db
Jul 20 06:28:49 <hotdp> So is the "problem" to get data or how to refresh/add the content to the list?
Jul 20 06:29:07 <Ajay> probleam how to display data
Jul 20 06:29:17 <hotdp> Oki
Jul 20 06:29:18 <Ajay> i know how to insert
Jul 20 06:29:30 <Ajay> ----
Jul 20 06:29:32 <Ajay>    setupRow: function(inSender, inIndex) {
Jul 20 06:29:41 <Ajay> var sql = 'SELECT * FROM `user_publication` WHERE `idUser` = '+idUser+' AND `id`='+(inIndex);
Jul 20 06:29:45 <Ajay> now ??
Jul 20 06:30:01 <hotdp> Just to be sure
Jul 20 06:30:43 <Ajay> ?
Jul 20 06:30:52 <hotdp> You can display a list with items but only hardcodded once?
Jul 20 06:31:37 <Ajay> yes like in arry ... data[] array example but it is for static data
Jul 20 06:31:48 <hotdp> oki
Jul 20 06:32:03 <hotdp> Do you have a button to update the data or how is it triggered?
Jul 20 06:32:33 <Ajay> yes button i have
Jul 20 06:32:35 <Ajay> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16467
Jul 20 06:32:57 <Ajay> check this my post on forum may you will more clear what i want
Jul 20 06:33:35 <hotdp> :)
Jul 20 06:34:18 <hotdp> i dont see a button?
Jul 20 06:34:45 <hotdp> But you just have to set this.data
Jul 20 06:34:52 <hotdp> and the refresh the list
Jul 20 06:34:57 <hotdp> then setup will be run
Jul 20 06:35:11 <Ajay> ohh sorry ...
Jul 20 06:35:26 <Ajay> ok .. so what i want is data [] is static
Jul 20 06:35:41 <Ajay> now i have table with 3 coloumn
Jul 20 06:35:48 <Ajay> and i want to display it
Jul 20 06:37:39 <hotdp> so
Jul 20 06:37:50 <hotdp> the data:[] is not shown
Jul 20 06:37:54 <hotdp> is that the q?
Jul 20 06:38:28 <Ajay> no dear this exaple is static data
Jul 20 06:38:44 <Ajay> i want to display my sqlite data in virtual list
Jul 20 06:38:56 <hotdp> i see
Jul 20 06:39:10 <Ajay> hmm now i think u got it ..
Jul 20 06:39:12 <hotdp> Can you output your sql data in the console
Jul 20 06:39:39 <Ajay> yes in novaterm
Jul 20 06:40:00 <hotdp> You don't use chrome for debug?
Jul 20 06:40:09 <Ajay> yes also
Jul 20 06:40:25 <Ajay> i can able to show my db in that
Jul 20 06:40:33 <hotdp> oki
Jul 20 06:41:11 <hotdp> I am sorry but i really don't see the problem then
Jul 20 06:41:16 <hotdp> do you update this. data
Jul 20 06:41:21 <hotdp> and refresh the list ?
Jul 20 06:42:17 <Ajay> no see i want to know how to set a dynamic array data[] is
Jul 20 06:42:51 <hotdp> what do you mean by dynamic?
Jul 20 06:43:12 <Ajay> dynamic mean my sqlite data
Jul 20 06:43:19 <hotdp> yes i understand
Jul 20 06:43:34 <hotdp> but i don't see the problem
Jul 20 06:43:47 <Ajay> would you like to be on IM
Jul 20 06:43:51 <hotdp> you have var data; (data = sql data)
Jul 20 06:43:55 <Ajay> so i can clear it more ?
Jul 20 06:44:14 <hotdp> then you set the list data to data = data
Jul 20 06:44:18 <hotdp> and refresh the list ? :D
Jul 20 06:44:49 <Ajay> hmm i see , let me try
Jul 20 06:45:18 <hotdp> But
Jul 20 06:45:30 <Ajay> what ?
Jul 20 06:46:01 <hotdp> go to enyo\1.0\support\examples\List
Jul 20 06:46:16 <hotdp> there are 8 list examples
Jul 20 06:46:21 <Ajay> ok
Jul 20 06:46:25 <hotdp> and they do load data on button
Jul 20 06:46:29 <Ajay> but all use json data
Jul 20 06:46:33 <hotdp> yer
Jul 20 06:46:49 <hotdp> so the only thing you should change is the datasource
Jul 20 06:46:51 <Ajay> so should i need to parse my sqlite db in json ?
Jul 20 06:47:03 <hotdp> hehe no i don't think so :)
Jul 20 06:47:09 <Ajay> ya me too
Jul 20 06:47:21 <hotdp> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16342&start=0 looked?
Jul 20 06:47:31 <Ajay> no 1 min
Jul 20 06:49:07 <Ajay> ok
Jul 20 06:50:41 <Ajay> so, but i am using virtual list
Jul 20 06:53:59 <Ajay> hi hotdp?
Jul 20 06:54:22 <hotdp> sry was away
Jul 20 06:56:32 <hotdp> Når man nu går til kurven
Jul 20 06:56:37 <hotdp> sorry wrong window
Jul 20 06:58:02 <Ajay119> hi
Jul 20 08:05:04 <gaurav_> savs :)
Jul 20 08:05:18 <savs> hey hey
Jul 20 08:05:35 <savs> irc seems wrong when not on a green screen ...
Jul 20 08:06:21 <gaurav_> I'm that way for Terminal.app
Jul 20 08:06:47 <savs> you'll be wanting http://iterm2.com/ then
Jul 20 08:07:24 <savs> and http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized
Jul 20 08:08:00 <savs> btw, website for #webosldn should be up and running tomorrow -- been running around like mad this week :-/
Jul 20 08:08:27 <gaurav_> nice
Jul 20 08:08:45 <gaurav_> I should probably get working on at least a design mockup then
Jul 20 08:08:50 <gaurav_> busy busy busy
Jul 20 08:21:24 <cxreg> savs: you mean like this?
Jul 20 08:21:25 <cxreg> http://www.greentuan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Green-Screen.jpg
Jul 20 08:29:11 <cxreg> hey, QC is in Comics HD now
Jul 20 08:29:14 <cxreg> did that just get added?
Jul 20 08:42:41 <guest1212> hey.
Jul 20 08:43:05 <guest1212> what this service actually does...https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/alarms.html#set-calendar-based-time
Jul 20 08:43:20 <guest1212> ?
Jul 20 08:54:29 <savs> cxreg: I was thinking more http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajmexico/3281139507/lightbox/ ... back when I was using IRC it was blue screen for chroma keying ;-)
Jul 20 08:54:59 <hotdp> lol
Jul 20 08:55:06 <hotdp> can that computer run irc :P
Jul 20 09:44:10 <savs> nah, the irc channel will be overlayed as a digital effect in post production ;-)
Jul 20 11:39:50 <Ajay007427> any one working on Enyo ? Need  a simple help
Jul 20 11:55:16 <Ajay007427> results.rows.item(i).col2
Jul 20 12:55:33 <CLU> Test
Jul 20 12:56:23 <Workenhaven> Tests run: 1, Failures: 1, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0
Jul 20 12:57:53 <CLU> lol
Jul 20 12:59:27 <CLU> Explain: Failures: 1.
Jul 20 13:01:18 <hotdp> CLU maybe try console.log ?
Jul 20 13:29:51 <PatrickC> morning all
Jul 20 13:31:15 <hotdp> yo PatrickC
Jul 20 13:31:38 <PatrickC> what's up?
Jul 20 13:40:31 <PatrickC> does webos not support php?
Jul 20 13:50:26 <nohorse> no php on the phone or tablet that i've heard of.  node.js is the service platform.
Jul 20 14:03:39 <funkatron> I guess it depends on what you mean by "support"
Jul 20 14:06:34 <PatrickC> I need to install something
Jul 20 14:06:39 <PatrickC> and its written in php
Jul 20 14:06:49 <PatrickC> index.php is what I need to view
Jul 20 14:07:16 <funkatron> what do you need to install?
Jul 20 14:07:34 <funkatron> most likely the answer is: no, it will not work
Jul 20 14:07:48 <PatrickC> HESK
Jul 20 14:07:54 <funkatron> no idea what that is
Jul 20 14:07:58 <PatrickC> http://www.hesk.com/
Jul 20 14:08:05 <funkatron> ah
Jul 20 14:08:17 <funkatron> so typically you would install that on a web server
Jul 20 14:08:49 <funkatron> the web server software would likely have a PHP interpreter that works with it
Jul 20 14:08:54 <funkatron> your phone does not have that
Jul 20 14:09:22 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 20 14:09:23 <funkatron> theoretically you *could* install a web server and a PHP interpreter on your device
Jul 20 14:09:26 <PatrickC> thx funkatron
Jul 20 14:09:37 <PatrickC> how?
Jul 20 14:09:55 <funkatron> that's an extended topic
Jul 20 14:10:12 <funkatron> start with the internals wiki I'd say
Jul 20 14:10:21 <funkatron> but it would be non-trivial.
Jul 20 14:10:37 <funkatron> and would very likely not work as you expect anyway for your purposes.
Jul 20 14:10:39 <PatrickC> ok..
Jul 20 14:10:51 <PatrickC> thx anyway
Jul 20 14:11:15 <funkatron> something like Hesk is intended to be installed on a web server. you could purchase web server space in a system like Dreamhost, etc
Jul 20 14:11:57 <PatrickC> I have a server..
Jul 20 14:12:04 <PatrickC> or does it need something special?
Jul 20 14:16:41 <LoneStar99> morning folks
Jul 20 14:16:45 <twbbas> morning
Jul 20 14:20:03 <twbbas> PatrickC: Did the HP Movie Store work on your Pre 2?
Jul 20 14:21:49 <funkatron> PatrickC: it needs to have PHP installed on the server. I don't know enough about your setup to comment in any way about it, though.
Jul 20 14:29:15 <hotdp> rwhitby must be happy now :)
Jul 20 14:29:19 <hotdp> after so many years
Jul 20 14:30:34 <funkatron> why for?
Jul 20 14:32:08 <PatrickC> ugg... that macbook was already sold too :'(
Jul 20 14:32:58 <twbbas> funkatron: TouchPad coming to Australia
Jul 20 14:33:02 <funkatron> ohhhhhh right
Jul 20 14:33:51 <twbbas> why does my background-image display when set as a class but not display when set as applyStyle("background-image....
Jul 20 14:34:16 <twbbas> the html says the image is there but it's being hidden only when set as "applystyle"
Jul 20 14:43:32 <rwhitby> funkatron, hotdp: Ironically, HP is flying me from AU to US to give a webOS homebrew presentation at OSCON in the same week that they are reportedly releasing the TouchPad in Australia.
Jul 20 14:43:39 <funkatron> hah
Jul 20 14:43:44 <funkatron> delightful
Jul 20 14:43:54 <funkatron> I wish I was able to go to OSCON; would have been nice to chat
Jul 20 14:44:00 <funkatron> too busy this year tho
Jul 20 14:44:05 <rwhitby> Maybe they didn't want me in the country when they released it.
Jul 20 14:46:45 <rwhitby> HP Execs: "Quick, release the TouchPad in Australia while that Whitby bloke is out of the country!"
Jul 20 14:51:42 <funkatron> BLOKE
Jul 20 14:58:40 <twbbas> lol
Jul 20 15:02:30 <LoneStar99> sweet lets go to australia while rwhitby is away!
Jul 20 15:02:33 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 20 15:03:07 <cwayne> LoneStar99: and buy ALL THE TOUCHPADS
Jul 20 15:03:13 <LoneStar99> what other countries is it being released?
Jul 20 15:03:39 <LoneStar99> cwayne:  yeah!
Jul 20 15:04:00 <cwayne> that'll learn him
Jul 20 15:04:35 <twbbas> LoneStar99: Precentral thinks New Zealand will be bundled with the Australian announcement
Jul 20 15:04:44 * halfhalo yawns
Jul 20 15:04:57 <LoneStar99> "All your Touchpad are Belong to Us!" --> you got that rwhitby!
Jul 20 15:05:06 <twbbas> "Still to go: Italy, Spain, Hong Kong, Singapore, and New Zealand (which we suspect will get wrapped in with the Australia launch). And, you know, the rest of the world."
Jul 20 15:05:16 <LoneStar99> anyone use promotions yet?
Jul 20 15:05:24 <twbbas> What promotions?
Jul 20 15:05:34 <LoneStar99> sorry promo codes
Jul 20 15:05:39 <twbbas> oj, nope
Jul 20 15:05:41 * halfhalo debates purchasing new MBA.... it seems great for webos/webdev
Jul 20 15:05:42 <twbbas> oh
Jul 20 15:05:55 <twbbas> I wish there were promo codes for in-app items
Jul 20 15:08:02 <LoneStar99> screw it gonna release 100 for my none selling mojo app!
Jul 20 15:08:10 <twbbas> Which app?
Jul 20 15:08:41 <LoneStar99> http://urloid.com/palm18
Jul 20 15:10:12 <twbbas> Looks cool
Jul 20 15:10:36 <LoneStar99> twbbas: will give u a code in abit, starts tommorrow
Jul 20 15:10:45 <twbbas> sounds good
Jul 20 15:12:40 <LoneStar99> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?promocode=00f371a7-93fc-41c6-8dec-28c78177669a
Jul 20 15:13:05 <twbbas> Hmm I can get a touchpad bluetooth keyboard for $40 with student discount
Jul 20 15:13:13 <LoneStar99> nice
Jul 20 15:13:28 <twbbas> saved the link
Jul 20 15:13:46 <twbbas> I don't really think I need a bluetooth keyboard though
Jul 20 15:14:05 <twbbas> I can't think of anytime I'd use it besides playing flash games
Jul 20 15:14:18 <LoneStar99> need to figure an efficient way to disperse all the codes....
Jul 20 15:14:33 <twbbas> Send the codes to Precentral and webosroundup
Jul 20 15:14:40 <twbbas> They'll announce them in an article
Jul 20 15:14:54 <LoneStar99> oh really... will do that right now
Jul 20 15:15:04 <twbbas> Look for like "promoroundup" on Webosroundup
Jul 20 15:17:04 <LoneStar99> found it thanks!
Jul 20 15:24:26 <twbbas> LoneStar99: I also think that Precentral has a promo code section in their forums
Jul 20 15:26:32 <LoneStar99> twbbas-lunch: oh ok cool just emailed webosroundup will check out precentral now
Jul 20 15:26:36 <LoneStar99> thanks
Jul 20 15:32:29 * cwayne is starting to regret upgrading to ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2
Jul 20 15:49:36 <jmhobbs> Hello all! I'm new to webOS looking for how to upload my app onto my TouchPad.  I've gotten devmode enabled, but palm-install hangs.  Any hints?
Jul 20 15:50:36 <akanster> http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/are-you-listening-steve-jobs/ -- wow, Fake entire Apple stores
Jul 20 16:06:55 <jmhobbs> Nevermind! I restarted the device and it's fine now.
Jul 20 16:24:22 <fxspec06> MY GAME is in the CATALOG!
Jul 20 16:24:29 <fxspec06> w0000000000000000000000000000000t
Jul 20 16:26:04 <hotdp> link?
Jul 20 16:27:21 <hotdp> and is it the one with the % bug :D
Jul 20 16:30:24 <fxspec06> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.fxspec.wildnpoker
Jul 20 16:30:26 <fxspec06> k i gotta go
Jul 20 16:30:28 <fxspec06> yeah it is
Jul 20 16:30:38 <fxspec06> i submitted 0.7.8 just now
Jul 20 16:30:45 <fxspec06> hopefully it's in tonight lol. probs not.
Jul 20 16:31:03 <fxspec06> k bbl
Jul 20 16:36:03 <zomg> fxspec06: neat
Jul 20 16:36:12 <zomg> too bad I don't see any paid apps in my catalog :x
Jul 20 16:37:13 <dawm> i wonder how many txts im at this month
Jul 20 16:37:19 <zomg> Well, hopefully that gets solved. Planning on putting my flashcard app on catalog for a dollar or few :)
Jul 20 16:43:40 <dawm> April 564, May 1253, June 918, July 2892
Jul 20 16:43:52 <dawm> yeah for unlimited texting
Jul 20 16:43:55 <dawm> er yay
Jul 20 16:48:23 <dwc-> bah, deceptive advertising
Jul 20 16:48:45 <dwc-> "$100 off any Tablet" ... turns out the exclusions include the touchpad, kindle and nook
Jul 20 16:49:06 <zomg> dwc-: aren't kindle and nook pretty close to 0 if you take 100 off?
Jul 20 16:49:07 <zomg> :D
Jul 20 16:49:15 <zomg> Or maybe I remember the price wrong
Jul 20 16:49:27 <dwc-> ~$30 at the low end, I think
Jul 20 16:50:08 <zomg> Yeah... =)
Jul 20 16:50:22 <dwc-> so... what's your point? :D
Jul 20 16:50:28 <Loudergood> yup, that would be nice
Jul 20 16:50:31 <zomg> Oh I dunno :D
Jul 20 16:50:49 <Loudergood> especially the new touchscreen eink nook
Jul 20 16:51:16 <dwc-> but I mean, the nook color isn't that cheap... the touchpad definitely isn't
Jul 20 16:51:18 <zomg> dwc-: btw you speak japanese?
Jul 20 16:51:56 <dwc-> that's a little out of left field, isn't it?
Jul 20 16:52:00 <zomg> Oh just wondering because of your maru / batsu comment :P
Jul 20 16:52:08 <dwc-> but... I do, a little
Jul 20 16:52:12 <dwc-> oh
Jul 20 16:52:17 * dwc- forgot about that
Jul 20 16:52:42 <zomg> Yeah I was just thinking who am I going to get to test my flashcard app... since I would probably need someone who understands at least some japanese and has a webOS device or emulator =)
Jul 20 16:53:21 <zomg> Shown it to a few friends so far but since none of them ever tried studying the language they were rather lost to what its purpose was
Jul 20 16:53:34 <dwc-> flashcards are flashcards?
Jul 20 16:53:58 <dwc-> they can learn from flashcards, right? (or just guess wildly)
Jul 20 16:54:05 <zomg> I don't actually recall having ever heard of anyone use them for anything else besides learning kanji =)
Jul 20 16:54:32 <zomg> So at least here they're not really a common tool of learning
Jul 20 16:54:54 <dwc-> ahhh... well, they're decent tools for memorization
Jul 20 16:55:19 <dwc-> depending on whether that counts as "learning" depends on the subject matter
Jul 20 16:55:27 <zomg> heh
Jul 20 16:56:09 <zomg> Well, if you wanna give the app a shot, let me know. It has kanji listings and reading/meaning tests in it right now but I'm still working on adding a spaced repetition type feature to it
Jul 20 16:57:41 <zomg> Just need someone to give it a spin to see if it makes any sense to anyone besides myself =)
Jul 20 17:00:53 <dwc-> sure
Jul 20 17:01:13 <dwc-> I may not have time to give you immediate feedback though
Jul 20 17:01:27 <dwc-> ... ask fxspec06 (not that he asked for any)
Jul 20 17:01:40 <zomg> hehe
Jul 20 17:01:53 <zomg> no prob, it's probably gonna take me a while before I get accepted into the dev program anyway
Jul 20 17:02:09 <zomg> since I may need to file some papers to the IRS for god knows why
Jul 20 17:02:15 <zomg> which is probably going to take forever
Jul 20 17:02:40 <zomg> Sent an email to palm asking if I really have to do that or if it's just some business type of thing, but they haven't replied yet
Jul 20 17:02:49 <pigsflew> I wish an app for helping to remember stroke order in Chinese
Jul 20 17:03:02 <dwc-> oh, for non-free apps? yea, there's something about tax laws and such
Jul 20 17:03:09 <pigsflew> never took Japanese, but in Chinese that was the hardest thing
Jul 20 17:03:15 <dwc-> start in the upper left? and go across and down :p
Jul 20 17:03:17 <pigsflew> i always felt like I was drawing, not writing
Jul 20 17:03:21 <zomg> dwc-: it's weird 'cause why do they care what I do with my money in Finland... :D
Jul 20 17:03:37 <pigsflew> dwc-, yeah :) but tell that to me during a test
Jul 20 17:03:39 <dwc-> the IRS? IRS loves to take people's money =]
Jul 20 17:03:49 <zomg> Apparently so
Jul 20 17:04:00 <dwc-> bbiab, time to donate blood
Jul 20 17:04:02 <zomg> Didn't have to deal with this when I registered as an Apple dev for some work-related stuff
Jul 20 17:04:11 <zomg> Nor when I worked as a freelancer for american clients
Jul 20 17:04:12 <zomg> so I dunno :P
Jul 20 17:05:31 <pigsflew> what i was actually thinking was like, the app would present a character, but all the strokes are simply outlines, and the user taps or swipes each stroke in order
Jul 20 17:05:47 <zomg> there's actually an app like that but for kanji for the iphone
Jul 20 17:05:53 <zomg> Called iKanji
Jul 20 17:05:54 <pigsflew> swipe would be even better because then you get stroke direction
Jul 20 17:05:55 <pigsflew> really
Jul 20 17:05:56 <pigsflew> wow
Jul 20 17:06:05 <pigsflew> actually i suppose i'm not surprised :)
Jul 20 17:06:22 <zomg> Not entirely sure how they do it, it seems the graphics they use for the letters are same as when you search for kanji in www.jisho.org
Jul 20 17:06:30 <zomg> but jisho's graphics aren't animated like iKanji's are
Jul 20 17:07:00 <zomg> And it would seem to me a major pain in the ass to create animations and all that stuff for oh what, some 2 400 or what there are in the JLPT tests..
Jul 20 17:07:04 <zomg> :D
Jul 20 17:07:59 <pigsflew> ::nods::
Jul 20 17:08:18 <zomg> tbh I never bothered learning the stroke order... =)
Jul 20 17:08:48 <zomg> I mainly just want to be able to read it, I can learn that later if I need to
Jul 20 17:09:39 <zomg> (the stroke order)
Jul 20 17:09:48 <pigsflew> ::nods::
Jul 20 17:10:00 <pigsflew> it's just that was always the part I struggled with
Jul 20 17:10:29 <zomg> I was actually told that it mostly follows the same pattern
Jul 20 17:10:36 <pigsflew> It does
Jul 20 17:10:55 <zomg> Yeah so wouldn't it be easy to just learn that pattern and then just go with it
Jul 20 17:11:19 <pigsflew> It should, the point of the flash cards app would be to learn the pattern until it's reflex
Jul 20 17:11:39 <pigsflew> shows you characters you don't know, you take a stab at the stroke order using the pattern, it tells you how close you are
Jul 20 17:11:49 <zomg> Perhaps :)
Jul 20 17:12:20 <pigsflew> anyway, it's a bit much in terms of work, because each character would almost certainly have to be set up manually
Jul 20 17:12:53 <pigsflew> and even if one did, say, 50 or so, that's still an awful lot to do
Jul 20 17:13:00 <zomg> Yeah
Jul 20 17:13:36 <zomg> http://www.jisho.org/static/images/stroke_diagrams/26085_frames.png
Jul 20 17:13:48 <zomg> Jisho has pics like that, dunno if they've used some sw to render them or what exactly
Jul 20 17:14:16 <zomg> I suppose you could write an app that processes the images and then generates the required stroke things from that
Jul 20 17:14:45 <zomg> since they all follow the pattern of having dark lines for the stroke and a red circle in the end of the stroke
Jul 20 17:15:52 <pigsflew> I was thinking that
Jul 20 17:15:54 <pigsflew> http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?cdqchi=%E6%97%A5
Jul 20 17:16:04 <pigsflew> mdbg has a java applet that draws the character for you
Jul 20 17:16:10 <pigsflew> showing stroke order
Jul 20 17:16:23 <pigsflew> that's... probably a little less useful
Jul 20 17:19:01 <zomg> http://kanjivg.tagaini.net/
Jul 20 17:19:05 <zomg> Seems that might be useful
Jul 20 17:19:48 <zomg> Too bad webOS doesn't support SVG... :P
Jul 20 17:20:02 <pigsflew> heh
Jul 20 17:20:48 <zomg> Suppose I could hack it together using canvas or something... shouldn't be too hard based on the data. Might just not look so great
Jul 20 17:22:33 <zomg> Well, that's something for version 2
Jul 20 17:22:42 <pigsflew> :)
Jul 20 17:22:54 <zomg> Along with maybe using a nodejs service for popping up random kanji for memorization
Jul 20 17:24:28 <matbee> so microsoft has released an api for their live services
Jul 20 17:24:45 <matbee> and it seems like theyve got a ton of existing javascript libraries for it
Jul 20 17:26:23 <matbee> http://rww.to/mOXgut
Jul 20 17:27:30 <zomg> Now if they would finally fix the stupid ordering of buttons in Hotmail =)
Jul 20 17:33:12 <matbee> heheh
Jul 20 17:33:23 <matbee> I dont see a way to upload images to livedrive tho.. hmm
Jul 20 17:53:08 <CLU> good evening
Jul 20 18:12:24 <zomg> Shouldn't all the sources defined in sources.json be loaded when you start an app?
Jul 20 18:17:52 <zomg> At least that's what happens when I run this in Chrome... but it fails in the emulator now, because apparently the file isn't loaded (a scene assistant, whose scene isn't shown yet)
Jul 20 18:24:59 <zomg> osxhater: installed lion?
Jul 20 18:25:00 <zomg> :P
Jul 20 18:42:24 <dwc-> oh cool, my notifications bar at the bottom is broken now
Jul 20 18:42:38 <matbee> lol
Jul 20 18:46:17 <fxspec06> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/288944-announcing-wildn-video-poker-webos-now-available-app-catalog-99-a.html
Jul 20 18:46:49 <zomg> Any ideas on how to get my assistants to load without pushing the scene? :P
Jul 20 18:47:09 <summatusmentis> wait, so, is netflix supposed to be coming to webos? or do people just want it?
Jul 20 18:47:16 <zomg> I thought the files were loaded when the app was loaded but guess not... now my beautiful system is broken
Jul 20 18:47:27 <fxspec06> my app is now int he catalog! anyone who wants to check it out can click the link above
Jul 20 18:47:44 <matbee> summatusmentis, I think that's mostly up to Netflix... But they may need access to private API's so they'd have to speak to palm...
Jul 20 18:48:53 <matbee> I don't think its 'supposed' to be coming, but --- it'd be splendid
Jul 20 18:49:04 <summatusmentis> matbee: right, ok, that's what I thought
Jul 20 18:49:32 <zomg> How do you guys keep track of commands in your apps?
Jul 20 18:49:34 <matbee> hp movie store + netflix streaming, would be bad friggin ass
Jul 20 18:49:42 <matbee> What do you mean commands?
Jul 20 18:49:43 <zomg> I was being smart and defining my commands as constants in my assistants
Jul 20 18:49:52 <zomg> matbee: stuff that goes into handleCommand
Jul 20 18:50:06 <zomg> the names of those, so that you know which one you want to handle
Jul 20 18:50:22 <zomg> but as I just found out, the assistant's script file is not loaded until said scene is displayed at least once
Jul 20 18:50:35 <zomg> (unless there's something else wrong with this, which I haven't been able to figure out)
Jul 20 18:50:47 <zomg> Bah, am I back to using magic strings :(
Jul 20 19:11:59 <sugardave> there is a way to load all the files...let me think
Jul 20 19:12:09 <zomg> oh btw is it expected that if you have a list and swipe an item, it either does nothing or offers the delete thing?
Jul 20 19:12:24 <zomg> Or could you put some other options under it as well, besides deleting
Jul 20 19:12:45 <zomg> Just wondering what the established convention with regards to that is
Jul 20 19:13:32 <dwc-> I noticed internalz doesn't put delete under the swiped items
Jul 20 19:13:32 <sugardave> zomg: you just don't include a scene property
Jul 20 19:14:01 <zomg> sugardave: hmm?
Jul 20 19:14:09 <sugardave> in the sources.json
Jul 20 19:14:14 <sugardave> list the assistants you want to load
Jul 20 19:14:20 <sugardave> but don't include the "scenes" property
Jul 20 19:14:34 <zomg> I see.. Is it still capable of figuring out that I want that to be a scene assistant as well?
Jul 20 19:14:36 <sugardave> it will load them all...else if you include the scenes, it will only load when that scene is loaded
Jul 20 19:14:51 <sugardave> that will be handled when you pushScene
Jul 20 19:14:58 <zomg> Okay
Jul 20 19:15:12 <zomg> For now I just got rid of all my constants and replaced them with strings
Jul 20 19:15:23 <zomg> Which works, but it just feels kinda ugly to me =)
Jul 20 19:16:06 <zomg> Mom always told me to wash my teeth and never use magic strings or numbers
Jul 20 19:16:26 <zomg> Oh wait, maybe it wasn't my mom... but in any case
Jul 20 19:16:55 <summatusmentis> wash your teeth? where are you from?
Jul 20 19:18:33 <zomg> lol
Jul 20 19:18:49 <zomg> Sorry, brush my teeth?
Jul 20 19:18:51 <zomg> :P
Jul 20 19:18:52 <summatusmentis> (genuinely curious, not trying to be rude)
Jul 20 19:19:00 <zomg> Finland
Jul 20 19:19:06 <summatusmentis> bursh your teeth is the phrase I've heard
Jul 20 19:19:07 <summatusmentis> ah
Jul 20 19:19:11 <zomg> Yah
Jul 20 19:19:32 <zomg> We generally use the same verb in finnish for both washing (eg. washing your hands) and brushing teeth
Jul 20 19:19:52 <zomg> Guess it sounds funny in english, and I always mix it up =)
Jul 20 19:20:08 <summatusmentis> no worries, I was just curious
Jul 20 19:20:40 <zomg> Yeah am a bit of a languages guy myself =)
Jul 20 19:21:20 <summatusmentis> at least in the US, we say "brush my teeth", not sure about british english
Jul 20 19:21:31 <zomg> Yeah pretty sure that's what they'd use as well
Jul 20 19:25:28 <PatrickC> ugg... broke the mower deck today :/
Jul 20 19:25:48 <PatrickC> its all fxspec06's fault
Jul 20 19:26:00 <summatusmentis> see, if you weren't 15, that wouldn't have happened
Jul 20 19:26:10 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 19:26:20 <PatrickC> some welds broke on the deck
Jul 20 19:29:30 <cwayne> PatrickC: firstworldproblems
Jul 20 19:29:35 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 19:31:53 <halfhalo-work> lol
Jul 20 19:35:37 <PatrickC> fxspec06: congrats
Jul 20 19:35:43 <PatrickC> 5 star review
Jul 20 19:35:51 <fxspec06> I KNOW!
Jul 20 19:35:52 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 19:36:41 <fxspec06> that isn't you right?
Jul 20 19:37:30 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 20 19:37:43 <oil> PatrickC would have given you 0 stars
Jul 20 19:37:53 <PatrickC> yeah... riiiight
Jul 20 19:39:17 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 19:42:03 <fxspec06> patrickC did you get your site back working again
Jul 20 19:42:12 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 20 19:42:23 <fxspec06> and how'd you break the mower deck?!
Jul 20 19:42:27 <fxspec06> and how is it my fault
Jul 20 19:42:29 <PatrickC> starting today
Jul 20 19:42:46 <PatrickC> s/today/again/
Jul 20 19:42:54 <PatrickC> everything is your fault
Jul 20 19:43:01 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 19:43:07 <PatrickC> we need to change the wheel'o'blame
Jul 20 19:43:22 <PatrickC> and the weld broke on the mower deck
Jul 20 19:45:24 <PatrickC> oil: who made the wheel'o'blame?
Jul 20 19:47:50 <cwayne> jesus
Jul 20 19:48:38 <fxspec06> i blame oil
Jul 20 19:48:49 <fxspec06> for my lack of sales
Jul 20 19:49:07 * fxspec06 blames oil
Jul 20 20:02:44 <dwc-> who knows, the british might "warsh" their teeth
Jul 20 20:02:54 <LoneStar99> promo roundup at http://www.webosroundup.com is not very current
Jul 20 20:02:58 <LoneStar99> brb lunchtiem
Jul 20 20:03:12 <Tibfib> yay app payments
Jul 20 20:03:45 <matbee> haha
Jul 20 20:03:46 <LoneStar99> warsh your arse...
Jul 20 20:03:49 <matbee> WASH YOUR  TEETH!
Jul 20 20:03:59 <matbee> warsh yourself after ur wrastling
Jul 20 20:04:00 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 20 20:05:43 <LoneStar99> need to warsh my hands before lunch, brb
Jul 20 20:06:10 <Tibfib> gosh. I need to get my developer coupon before I decide to abandon webOS completely
Jul 20 20:06:19 * funkatron throws things
Jul 20 20:06:51 <dawm> hrm
Jul 20 20:06:56 <dawm> 2.2.0 on ATT Pre3
Jul 20 20:06:57 <Tibfib> this is ridiculous: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=16084&start=50
Jul 20 20:08:19 <PatrickC> Tibfib: same here.. re: coupon
Jul 20 20:10:45 <Tibfib> I'm freezing development on all new apps until palm announces enyo licensing or HP turns things around.
Jul 20 20:11:00 <PatrickC> really?
Jul 20 20:11:05 <summatusmentis> define turns things around?
Jul 20 20:11:09 <oil> PatrickC: sugardave made it
Jul 20 20:11:09 <PatrickC> ^^
Jul 20 20:11:15 <Tibfib> summatusmentis: very good question
Jul 20 20:11:30 <Tibfib> they need to stop making terrible decisions and ACTUALLY communicate with devs, not just pretend to do so
Jul 20 20:11:39 <Tibfib> or say they are going to do it
Jul 20 20:11:41 <dawm> hrm..
Jul 20 20:11:51 <dawm> im thinking i got cheated again on revenue
Jul 20 20:11:59 <Tibfib> dawm: EXACTLY
Jul 20 20:12:01 <Tibfib> me too.
Jul 20 20:12:11 <dawm> its a bit short from my numbers (based on the portal numbers)
Jul 20 20:12:18 <Tibfib> I would put up with the lack of webOS customers if palm didn't mess up with everything else.
Jul 20 20:13:04 <PatrickC> Tibfib: how far did you get on enyo koto?
Jul 20 20:13:57 <dawm> im short 0.01 from march-april
Jul 20 20:14:06 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 20:14:17 <dawm> pfft whatever
Jul 20 20:14:33 <dawm> i guess some is better than none
Jul 20 20:14:59 <Tibfib> yeaaah my app payments are about half of what I expected
Jul 20 20:15:36 <dawm> i know im not getting everything i should, but its pocket change vs real money so im not too concerned
Jul 20 20:16:01 <dawm> i dont like that ive got promo code downloads and no promo codes generated
Jul 20 20:16:20 <Tibfib> And stuff like this makes me cringe: http://twitter.com/#!/backlon/status/93550373675089920
Jul 20 20:16:26 <fxspec06> i need me some downloads. i know i've got at least two right now but i can't see them. =p
Jul 20 20:16:31 <Tibfib> Palm says they get it. but they don't act like they do.
Jul 20 20:16:33 * PatrickC got no app payments
Jul 20 20:16:57 <matbee> dawm, it's probably palm's employee free-app discounts
Jul 20 20:16:57 <hotdp> Tibfib: You sound very pissed, is it the must you have been until now?
Jul 20 20:17:07 <Tibfib> hotdp: hmmmm?
Jul 20 20:17:09 <dawm> yeah but im not getting paid for 28 copies that i didnt give away
Jul 20 20:17:27 <dawm> 28 x $1.99 = $55
Jul 20 20:17:38 <dawm> now im upset
Jul 20 20:17:39 <Tibfib> dawm: I think HP Veer's contained a free promo code
Jul 20 20:17:46 <dawm> yeah thats not my problem
Jul 20 20:17:49 <dawm> HP needs to pay me for it then
Jul 20 20:17:58 <Tibfib> dawm: Yeah. they should.
Jul 20 20:18:06 <Tibfib> Or they should have told us from the beginning?
Jul 20 20:18:11 <matbee> I don't think they do, according to your app catalog submission agreement
Jul 20 20:18:12 <Tibfib> s/?/./
Jul 20 20:18:21 <fxspec06> i wonder how 480x320 apps will look on the pre 3
Jul 20 20:18:38 <matbee> AFAIK, they're allowed to hand out your app to employees or partners for free?
Jul 20 20:18:45 <dawm> looking at the daily stats for my one paid app. i have the same number of HP promo copies as Your Promo copies (which i dont get paid for, which i also didnt generate)
Jul 20 20:18:56 <dawm> so basically they've given my app away for free and not paid me for it
Jul 20 20:19:13 <dawm> and the excuse that the portal is wrong isnt gonna fly anymore
Jul 20 20:19:19 <dawm> since its been like that for way tooo long
Jul 20 20:19:25 <dawm> doesnt sound like its broke to me
Jul 20 20:19:35 <fxspec06> that's b.s.
Jul 20 20:19:37 <matbee> 'broke' as in its displaying information you shouldn't see
Jul 20 20:19:46 <fxspec06> if it's broke then how does it know how much to pay you
Jul 20 20:19:56 <Tibfib> exactly.
Jul 20 20:20:16 <Tibfib> I have no faith in download counts or payments anymore.
Jul 20 20:20:59 <matbee> that's why my apps are going to be free until you unlock features via in-app payment on my own payment system through paypal
Jul 20 20:21:07 <matbee> :p
Jul 20 20:21:08 <PatrickC> ok.. my pre is messed up...
Jul 20 20:21:29 <dawm> Tibfib, thats why i originaly started tracking on my own
Jul 20 20:21:36 <dawm> my numbers never matched what palm reported
Jul 20 20:21:39 <Tibfib> yeah
Jul 20 20:21:41 <Tibfib> piracy
Jul 20 20:21:47 <PatrickC> dawm: how?
Jul 20 20:21:56 <dawm> PatrickC, a call home function
Jul 20 20:22:04 <Tibfib> PatrickC: or metrix.
Jul 20 20:22:06 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 20 20:22:13 <dawm> like i said
Jul 20 20:22:16 <PatrickC> I was thinking metrix
Jul 20 20:22:22 <dawm> ATT Pre3 running 2.2.0 popped up in my logs :)
Jul 20 20:22:31 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 20 20:22:32 <matbee> You need to constantly update your app with minor updates, and not allow apps < a specific version to start, and say they much update
Jul 20 20:22:47 <matbee> much/must
Jul 20 20:22:55 <dawm> yeah ive got a killswitch
Jul 20 20:23:00 <dawm> incase theres a serious bug
Jul 20 20:23:05 <hotdp> 2.2.0 was mojo right?
Jul 20 20:23:10 <matbee> 2.x is mojo
Jul 20 20:23:21 <PatrickC> dawm: I'll switch?
Jul 20 20:23:27 <PatrickC> is that metrix also?
Jul 20 20:23:28 <matbee> kill switch
Jul 20 20:23:30 <dawm> no
Jul 20 20:23:32 <PatrickC> kill*
Jul 20 20:23:35 <matbee> its probably a tiny webservice, if true - exit
Jul 20 20:23:47 <fxspec06> hmmmmmm that's interesting
Jul 20 20:23:48 <dawm> if version < approved version; die w/ a message
Jul 20 20:23:51 <matbee> yeah
Jul 20 20:24:01 <matbee> thats how im going to battle piracy
Jul 20 20:24:03 <zomg> dawm: what kind of super special things does your app do for it to require such things? :D
Jul 20 20:24:08 <matbee> because theyre slow on updating the apps on their websites
Jul 20 20:24:13 <dawm> just an ajax call to my webserver
Jul 20 20:24:31 <zomg> Well I meant why do you need something like that in it :)
Jul 20 20:24:33 <fxspec06> i don't have a webserver. so that's out of the question
Jul 20 20:24:40 <dawm> it checks the server for the latest/approved version, and tells me what version/webos version and etc
Jul 20 20:24:43 * hotdp got 2 downloads for Pre 3
Jul 20 20:24:54 <dawm> zomg because back in the day the portal numbers were way way off
Jul 20 20:24:56 <fxspec06> i could have it ping home. E.T. ping home
Jul 20 20:25:04 <hotdp> 2.2
Jul 20 20:25:08 <PatrickC> fxspec06: get a free server
Jul 20 20:25:08 <zomg> dawm: ah, okay
Jul 20 20:25:14 <dawm> and i dont fully trust someone else to keep track
Jul 20 20:25:18 <zomg> but why the kill switch though?
Jul 20 20:25:21 <fxspec06> lol i will. at some point. still things to do.
Jul 20 20:25:25 <dawm> incase i had a serious flaw in the app
Jul 20 20:25:26 <matbee> well, in your apps, you should check if enyo exists, if true, hit your webservice with metrix stats
Jul 20 20:25:27 <matbee> :P
Jul 20 20:25:35 <zomg> dawm: well that has to be pretty serious then I guess :D
Jul 20 20:25:38 <hotdp> Will any inhere greate a mojo app for Pre 3 (new resolution)
Jul 20 20:25:38 <matbee> that way we can tell if the pre3 has enyo or not
Jul 20 20:25:43 <fxspec06> right after i get loads of food. i need food.
Jul 20 20:25:59 <dawm> zomg well if there was a bug that effected the usage of the app/game. rather than have tons of stupid reviews for support
Jul 20 20:26:10 <dawm> i could prevent the app from continuing and inform the user to wait for a new update
Jul 20 20:26:20 <zomg> Good point
Jul 20 20:26:29 <dawm> say i had a mario clone
Jul 20 20:26:34 <dawm> and i messed up an update and you couldnt jump
Jul 20 20:26:37 <zomg> Perhaps I shall implement something like that in mine
Jul 20 20:26:40 <dawm> and it got approved
Jul 20 20:26:43 <zomg> Heh
Jul 20 20:27:01 <dawm> would be nice to be able to suspend it immediately rather than way for palm to push the update 3 days later
Jul 20 20:27:47 <zomg> I haven't noticed yet but is there any notifications for updates to apps via the catalog?
Jul 20 20:27:53 <dawm> but as far as tracking installs, its not for data mining, just for my personal stats. like i said if someone is supposed to be paying me, how do i know they arent fudging the numbers
Jul 20 20:27:53 <zomg> or would that need to be implemented in the app itself?
Jul 20 20:28:17 <dawm> 2.0/3.0 will notify you of an update i think
Jul 20 20:28:44 <dawm> 1.x you can goto the catalog and the installed apps scene and it will tell you what has an update
Jul 20 20:28:53 <dawm> but most add something on their own
Jul 20 20:29:01 <dawm> a good example is foursquare
Jul 20 20:29:14 <zomg> the foursquare app is really borky...
Jul 20 20:29:15 <zomg> :P
Jul 20 20:29:30 <zomg> half of the time it gives my position as "undefined, some street, undefined"
Jul 20 20:29:47 <zomg> some other issues in it as well
Jul 20 20:29:56 <zomg> but at least I can do checkins :D
Jul 20 20:29:57 <matbee> palm needs to hire 'review' reviewers
Jul 20 20:30:33 <zomg> I wonder if there's any apps for "quick" checkins to 4sq and such
Jul 20 20:30:57 <zomg> I usually just have a bunch of places I visit and it sometimes is annoying to wait for 4square to figure out where I am when I could just fire it up, hit a button and be done with it
Jul 20 20:31:10 <dawm> matbee, or allow developers to flag reviews for moderation
Jul 20 20:31:16 <dawm> either inside the catalog or in the portal
Jul 20 20:31:34 <zomg> Perhaps I should create a "QuickCheckin" app... hmm =)
Jul 20 20:31:38 <dawm> obviously giving devs full control over reviews would be bad, but flagging for review would be nice
Jul 20 20:31:58 <dawm> man.. i love how fast pre2 boots
Jul 20 20:32:05 <dawm> i really need to frankenpre
Jul 20 20:32:23 <dawm> i just use my pre2 to charge my spare batteries
Jul 20 20:32:43 <zomg> All I have is a Pre 2
Jul 20 20:32:44 <zomg> :D
Jul 20 20:33:00 <zomg> Well, also a Nokia 3510i and an iPhone 4... but those don't exactly run webOS
Jul 20 20:33:00 <zomg> =)
Jul 20 20:33:12 <dawm> if my buddy doesnt sell his evo to another guy, i will be picking it up from him no doubt
Jul 20 20:33:23 <dawm> sprint isnt gonna get the pre3
Jul 20 20:33:39 <zomg> I'm actually running my Pre 2 on a microsim
Jul 20 20:33:53 <zomg> I just had to fiddle with it a bit to get it into the correct position for it to read :D
Jul 20 20:34:13 <dwc-> fxspec06: you don't need your own webserver... put something up on google's appspot or something...
Jul 20 20:35:24 <joem_work> :( already had to return 1 touchpad due to broken bezel, now it seems the replacement has a flickering screen?
Jul 20 20:35:55 <joem_work> anybody knows the touchpad RMA process?
Jul 20 20:46:49 <joem_work> " Raymond:  I suggest you restart the touchpad. "
Jul 20 20:46:50 <joem_work> lulz
Jul 20 20:50:50 <akanster> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=16601 - wtf?
Jul 20 20:54:35 <funkatron> that's not so good
Jul 20 20:54:42 <CLU> anyone know of a second life client?
Jul 20 20:55:58 <PatrickC> 70% dev fee?!?!?!?!
Jul 20 20:56:45 <PatrickC> funkatron: fixed my php issue
Jul 20 20:56:51 <funkatron> neato
Jul 20 20:56:51 <PatrickC> forgot to upload a folder.. :O
Jul 20 20:56:58 <funkatron> that'll do it
Jul 20 20:57:04 <PatrickC> so nothing was working correctly
Jul 20 20:58:21 <dwc-> if I had to guess, someone got their 70 and 30 backwards
Jul 20 20:58:23 <funkatron> zoinks
Jul 20 20:58:26 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: you around?
Jul 20 21:05:32 <fxspec06> patrickc
Jul 20 21:05:38 <fxspec06> so now your site is back up?
Jul 20 21:06:28 <ctladvance> Afternoon
Jul 20 21:10:47 <PatrickC> fxspec06: probably won't be fixed for a while
Jul 20 21:11:23 <LoneStar99> june payment is out?
Jul 20 21:12:15 <fxspec06> =( that stinks.
Jul 20 21:12:37 <fxspec06> LoneStar: I think so
Jul 20 21:12:47 <nohorse> anybody on the touchpad loaner program?  seems like a smart way to got while i'm waiting for the GPS edition to ship.
Jul 20 21:13:00 <LoneStar99> damn i guess i do not get hack this month =(
Jul 20 21:14:06 <akanster> nohorse: Did you get in?
Jul 20 21:15:08 <LoneStar99> nohorse:  stilling waiting for a 2nd repaly
Jul 20 21:15:39 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  when where june payments made today?
Jul 20 21:19:34 <ctladvance> I'm in the loaner list but they aren't shipping until coming months due to testing
Jul 20 21:20:19 <ctladvance> They will only say it will ship soon :)
Jul 20 21:21:13 <Kaelic> Anyone noticed significant slowdown when performing rapid touch inputs in the PDK for performance critical apps?
Jul 20 21:22:16 <fxspec06> I have no idea lol. I don't have anything owed, but Tibfib and dawm were talking about it earlier.
Jul 20 21:22:26 <fxspec06> so it's possible
Jul 20 21:23:10 <dawm> yeah usually every month on the 20th payments go out
Jul 20 21:23:32 <LoneStar99> yeah i show $129 in sales but not payment =(
Jul 20 21:24:13 <dwc-> who has performance critical apps?
Jul 20 21:25:04 <dawm> ♫
Jul 20 21:25:13 <dawm> weird
Jul 20 21:25:21 <dawm> found a google search which has no results
Jul 20 21:26:22 <Kaelic> dwc-: Me and presumably anyone doing 3D rendering
Jul 20 21:28:10 <edektor> anybody having trouble install the SDK on OSX Lion?
Jul 20 21:28:16 <edektor> installing*
Jul 20 21:29:19 <LoneStar99> dwc-:  critical in what sense?
Jul 20 21:34:11 <edektor> Because it just failed for me on the retail Lion.
Jul 20 21:34:27 <Kaelic> LoneStar99: I think he was replying to me, not just a broad question
Jul 20 21:34:36 <Kaelic> Lion came out today didn't it?
Jul 20 21:34:43 <edektor> Yeah it did
Jul 20 21:36:37 <LoneStar99> Kaelic:  oh ok, cuss I do have an app that crashes apps, do to calculations and arrays in canvas
Jul 20 21:39:42 <PatrickC> edektor: it'll work probably soon
Jul 20 21:39:59 <edektor> How soon is probably soon?
Jul 20 21:40:06 <PatrickC> no clue
Jul 20 21:40:11 <edektor> Does the beta work on lion?
Jul 20 21:40:44 <PatrickC> no clue
Jul 20 21:40:57 <PatrickC> and if it did, we couldn't talk about it in here
Jul 20 21:41:07 <fxspec06> 2/2 w/ the 5* reviews =D
Jul 20 21:41:18 <PatrickC> awesome!! :D
Jul 20 21:41:28 <fxspec06> lol but the other one was sledge
Jul 20 21:41:37 <edektor> to anal about the NDA
Jul 20 21:42:34 <PatrickC> umm.. I would rather not get sued or my privileges revoked...
Jul 20 21:42:43 <LoneStar99> promo codes for my app available tommorrow --> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-app-promo-codes/288957-drop-1-0-0-drawing-app-promo-code.html#post3038510
Jul 20 21:42:45 <PatrickC> palm people do crawl these channels
Jul 20 21:43:02 <edektor> you really think that would happen if you answered a question as to wether it worked on lion or not?
Jul 20 21:43:17 <PatrickC> I don't know if it does or not
Jul 20 21:43:28 <PatrickC> but even if it did, I wouldn't say, just to be safe
Jul 20 21:43:34 <edektor> and so i say again. To anal
Jul 20 21:43:38 <edektor> about the NDA
Jul 20 21:44:23 <Kaelic> 'too'
Jul 20 21:44:38 <fxspec06> lonestar, why not make 1 code for 20 downloads?
Jul 20 21:44:39 <edektor> Too anal about the NDA
Jul 20 21:44:44 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 21:50:57 <LoneStar99> fxspec06:  i screwed up...
Jul 20 21:51:45 <LoneStar99> chose the wrong promo code option
Jul 20 21:53:10 <LoneStar99> fxspec06 that is what I wanted, but oh well...
Jul 20 21:53:45 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 21:53:57 <fxspec06> oh well. gotta use what you got
Jul 20 21:54:45 <LoneStar99> yeah
Jul 20 21:54:57 <NuttyBunny> fxspec06, congrats on your poker app :)
Jul 20 21:55:10 <fxspec06> hey thanks nutty! =)
Jul 20 21:55:41 <fxspec06> here's to hoping it does well
Jul 20 21:56:24 <LoneStar99> yeah good luck fxspec06
Jul 20 21:56:41 <NuttyBunny> I'm going to release photofun, I promise ;)  just a few tweaks left
Jul 20 21:57:03 <PatrickC> hahahahahahahaha
Jul 20 21:57:07 * PatrickC hides
Jul 20 21:58:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 'Afternoon, people.
Jul 20 21:58:41 <fxspec06> 'Afternoon IGNT
Jul 20 21:58:49 <NuttyBunny> nite IGNTNUNLMTD
Jul 20 21:59:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Jul 20 21:59:33 <LoneStar99> later IGNTNUNLMTD
Jul 20 21:59:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah
Jul 20 21:59:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
Jul 20 22:00:21 * PatrickC likes playing with infobot
Jul 20 22:00:27 <PatrickC> he is stupid :P
Jul 20 22:01:08 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 20 22:01:24 <fxspec06> infobot just told me PatrickC is stupid
Jul 20 22:01:27 <fxspec06> idk who to believe
Jul 20 22:02:03 <PatrickC> ask him about u
Jul 20 22:02:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ?
Jul 20 22:02:33 <PatrickC> infobot
Jul 20 22:02:53 <PatrickC> <infobot> from memory, patrickc is some guy that abuses me
Jul 20 22:03:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Jul 20 22:03:36 <fxspec06> hahaha
Jul 20 22:04:10 <PatrickC> <infobot> i guess igntnunlmtd is some guy who abuses PatrickC
Jul 20 22:04:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what the shit?
Jul 20 22:04:28 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 22:04:43 <fxspec06> where can i speak with this infobot
Jul 20 22:04:50 <fxspec06> i'd like to have a word with him
Jul 20 22:05:00 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/what_the_shit_dog.jpeg
Jul 20 22:05:11 <PatrickC>  /msg infobot
Jul 20 22:05:21 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: he has something to say to you
Jul 20 22:05:30 <Kaelic> damn, seems my input slowdown is a known problem :(
Jul 20 22:05:52 <PatrickC> <infobot> igntnunlmtd is, like, awesome
Jul 20 22:06:58 <fxspec06> idk how to use infobot
Jul 20 22:07:18 <PatrickC> just /msg him
Jul 20 22:07:21 <PatrickC> an ask him stuff
Jul 20 22:07:22 <fxspec06> i did
Jul 20 22:07:24 <fxspec06> but
Jul 20 22:07:25 <PatrickC> like whois PatrickC
Jul 20 22:07:27 <fxspec06> he's not replying
Jul 20 22:07:38 <PatrickC> join #webos-internals and try it
Jul 20 22:07:43 <fxspec06> i asked him a question
Jul 20 22:07:55 <PatrickC> what question?
Jul 20 22:08:01 <akanster> http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/07/20/10/25/1ikvJe.St.4.jpg - this guy is not having a good day
Jul 20 22:08:02 <PatrickC> he can't answer everything :)
Jul 20 22:08:04 <fxspec06> i said
Jul 20 22:08:17 <PatrickC> akanster: oww
Jul 20 22:08:22 <fxspec06> 'who the **** is patrickc and what is he doing on this ******* message board'
Jul 20 22:08:34 <fxspec06> to see what he'd say, but no reply.
Jul 20 22:08:47 <matbee_> lol what
Jul 20 22:08:48 <PatrickC> he won't reply to that
Jul 20 22:08:52 <fxspec06> lol why not
Jul 20 22:08:57 <PatrickC> ask him 'whois PatrickC'
Jul 20 22:08:59 <fxspec06> he's not like that aimbot
Jul 20 22:09:01 <fxspec06> ?
Jul 20 22:09:23 <PatrickC> I never used aimbot's
Jul 20 22:09:35 <fxspec06> still no rply. =|
Jul 20 22:09:39 <matbee_> aimbots are fot leets
Jul 20 22:09:40 <matbee_> for
Jul 20 22:09:47 <fxspec06> he's not in this room i guess ?
Jul 20 22:09:58 <Loudergood> he's not cleverbot that's for sure
Jul 20 22:10:15 <PatrickC> he's in #webos-internals
Jul 20 22:11:17 <fxspec06> WOOOOO i get to talk to him
Jul 20 22:11:26 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 22:11:37 <PatrickC> ask him about u
Jul 20 22:13:03 <fxspec06> <fxspec06> why are you ignoring me
Jul 20 22:13:03 <fxspec06> <infobot> why not?
Jul 20 22:13:09 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 20 22:13:27 <PatrickC> infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. &nbsp;"La, la, la! &nbsp;I can't hear you, fxspec06!"
Jul 20 22:13:33 <fxspec06> <fxspec06> do you eat
Jul 20 22:13:33 <fxspec06> <infobot> yes, I eat.
Jul 20 22:13:43 <PatrickC> tell him 'botsnack'
Jul 20 22:15:42 <fxspec06> <fxspec06> who is fxspec06
Jul 20 22:15:42 <fxspec06> <infobot> you are probably dumb
Jul 20 22:15:57 <PatrickC> :D
Jul 20 22:16:04 * PatrickC actually roftl
Jul 20 22:17:11 <fxspec06> OMFG.
Jul 20 22:17:13 <fxspec06> sex
Jul 20 22:17:18 <fxspec06> =
Jul 20 22:17:19 <fxspec06> infobot
Jul 20 22:17:25 <PatrickC> what?
Jul 20 22:17:46 <fxspec06> type sex
Jul 20 22:17:49 <fxspec06> to infobot
Jul 20 22:18:07 <PatrickC> wow.....
Jul 20 22:18:28 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Jul 20 22:18:33 <PatrickC> only u... only u... lol
Jul 20 22:18:34 <NuttyBunny> epic :)
Jul 20 22:19:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I asked it, "Does a set of all sets contain itself?" lol
Jul 20 22:19:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh fxspec06, congrats on the launch today!
Jul 20 22:20:32 <PatrickC> bbl
Jul 20 22:21:00 <fxspec06> thanks IGNT!
Jul 20 22:21:31 <fxspec06> i managed to get this link out of infobot
Jul 20 22:21:32 <fxspec06> http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=master
Jul 20 22:24:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl @ 'sex'
Jul 20 22:24:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> even more rofl @ 'fsck'
Jul 20 22:24:58 <fxspec06> haha
Jul 20 22:26:13 <fxspec06> even more rofl @ 'windows'
Jul 20 22:31:51 <fxspec06> or type llama
Jul 20 22:31:55 <fxspec06> and get this: http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf
Jul 20 22:32:59 <fxspec06> precentral is down
Jul 20 22:48:05 <haeffb> so, chuqui's having a good day...
Jul 20 22:48:45 <akanster> doesnt seem like it
Jul 20 22:49:26 <akanster> judging by the angry comments on download count & app revenue
Jul 20 22:52:24 <HattCzech_work> akanster: is chuqui around today?
Jul 20 22:52:55 <akanster> he's been putting out fires in the forums.  Dunno about irc
Jul 20 22:53:34 <HattCzech_work> gotcha
Jul 20 22:59:40 * haeffb is building up my Google+ circles. I have literally 10's of Google friends.
Jul 21 00:34:33 <fxspec06> oh how i love chappelle show
Jul 21 00:38:41 <haeffb> so, no way to sideload kindle books on the TP?
Jul 21 00:47:34 <Loudergood> can you sideload with a kindle at all?
Jul 21 00:57:38 <haeffb> on iPad, I think you can...
Jul 21 01:02:40 * Loudergood has an original nook
Jul 21 01:02:50 <Loudergood> that thing is awesome for sideloading
Jul 21 01:08:14 <fxspec06> i totally wouldn't mind one of them. those are like, classic awesomeness
Jul 21 01:09:43 <fxspec06> WOOO
Jul 21 01:09:50 * fxspec06 got another 5 star review
Jul 21 01:09:54 <fxspec06> that's 3/3!
Jul 21 01:11:06 <Loudergood> the worst part about it, is that I can't bring myself to replace it even though I want to play with the newer one
Jul 21 01:11:11 <Loudergood> it does its job too well
Jul 21 01:11:36 <fxspec06> i know. that's like the tablet deal of the year
Jul 21 01:11:58 <fxspec06> and i hear you can get a great overclock out of them too
Jul 21 01:12:03 <Loudergood> the touch e-ink?
Jul 21 01:12:25 <fxspec06> the nook
Jul 21 01:12:36 <Loudergood> there's technically 3 nooks
Jul 21 01:13:02 <fxspec06> i'd want the nook color
Jul 21 01:13:14 <fxspec06> u can easily put android on and dual boot
Jul 21 01:13:18 <Loudergood> I really, really, like e-ink
Jul 21 01:13:28 <fxspec06> but yes. e-ink is incredible.
Jul 21 01:13:50 <Loudergood> you can root and install android apps on all of them
Jul 21 01:14:06 <Loudergood> they're mostly useless on the classic
Jul 21 01:14:30 <Loudergood> because of the weird screen setup and the fact that it runs 1.5
Jul 21 01:14:31 <fxspec06> did you see the demos where they were rolling colour e-ink on pieces of paper?
Jul 21 01:14:41 <Loudergood> yeah
Jul 21 01:14:45 * fxspec06 drools
Jul 21 01:14:46 <Loudergood> and it was playing video
Jul 21 01:14:47 <haeffb> fxspec06: congrats
Jul 21 01:14:53 <fxspec06> thanks!
Jul 21 01:15:07 <fxspec06> hard work pays off
Jul 21 01:15:19 <Loudergood> I have a feeling we're going to see some very interesting clothing in a few years
Jul 21 01:15:34 <fxspec06> oh i know. lol. interesting is the key word
Jul 21 01:19:04 <haeffb> yeah, but it's a nice feeling when other people like your work
Jul 21 01:21:35 <fxspec06> that it is loll. it's very rewarding. =D
Jul 21 01:26:45 <halfhalo> moo.
Jul 21 01:28:07 <haeffb> cow
Jul 21 01:28:12 <halfhalo> pie
Jul 21 01:28:26 <fxspec06> ima
Jul 21 01:28:50 <halfhalo> i want a MBA
Jul 21 01:33:13 <NuttyBunny> Argh... got a new machine from work, had to return the old one, and every time I want to do something I find that I missed something to backup... this time, my enyo libraries, so photofun won't work on chrome :)
Jul 21 01:33:22 <halfhalo> awww
Jul 21 01:34:00 <NuttyBunny> of course, I also forgot my entire /srv/preware directory :S
Jul 21 01:34:28 * NuttyBunny blames rwhitby for putting the widk outside the user's home directory ;)
Jul 21 01:36:09 <fxspec06> i want two more monitors
Jul 21 01:36:12 <fxspec06> and a touchpad
Jul 21 01:36:15 <NuttyBunny> and the pad is too sensitive, and it has less resolution, and, and I can't use my old memory module, and.. I can't use my old high capacity battery :)
Jul 21 01:36:21 <NuttyBunny> I just want a touchpad
Jul 21 01:36:33 <halfhalo> they are nice, i will admit
Jul 21 01:36:44 <dawm> i want atleast a pre2 that isnt a hack on sprint
Jul 21 01:37:35 <NuttyBunny> Anyone knows if PatrickC has created his FrankenPre2? :)
Jul 21 01:40:12 <fxspec06> i heard he ran into a problem and it tried to eat his brain
Jul 21 01:41:06 <CTLAdvance> dawm.... Pre will never come back to sprint... I bet they would launch a 4" slate webOS phone
Jul 21 01:42:26 <halfhalo> i like this brain eating thing
Jul 21 01:52:42 <NuttyBunny> Ok, quick survey: how many of you would you like a Bluetooth keyboard for about $30?
Jul 21 01:52:50 <halfhalo> meh
Jul 21 01:53:28 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo says: "If I don't have quickoffice editing I don't want any" :P
Jul 21 01:54:36 * NuttyBunny feels overwhelmed by the response :P
Jul 21 01:54:45 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 21 01:55:15 * haeffb already has a bluetooth keyboard
Jul 21 01:58:43 <CTLAdvance> what kind of keyboard is it
Jul 21 02:02:51 <NuttyBunny> this one is an apple-like one
Jul 21 02:02:51 <haeffb> bluetooth
Jul 21 02:03:09 <CTLAdvance> 30 bucks for it eh
Jul 21 02:04:39 <NuttyBunny> I'm trying to form a buy group, we may even get a discount on that, free shipping :)
Jul 21 02:19:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> god damn Python
Jul 21 02:22:19 <fxspec06> lol frustrated?
Jul 21 02:25:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> very
Jul 21 02:25:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I have 4 versions installed
Jul 21 02:25:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nothing works
Jul 21 02:25:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's all a mess
Jul 21 02:25:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so I just hosed the folder
Jul 21 02:25:59 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 21 02:26:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> deleted them ALL
Jul 21 02:26:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rm rf ... everything.
Jul 21 02:26:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> everything Python, that is.
Jul 21 02:26:26 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 21 02:26:47 <fxspec06> did you try deleting python before attempting to use it?
Jul 21 02:27:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's that I'm trying to use a certain module
Jul 21 02:27:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> PythonMagickWand
Jul 21 02:27:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for serverside image processing
Jul 21 02:28:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I'm not sure what version of Python it is that Python thinks should be trying to reference it.
Jul 21 02:28:10 <pakl> Python has always struck me as a nightmare
Jul 21 02:29:21 <fxspec06> PythonMagickWand -- now that's something i can trust! (j/p)
Jul 21 02:29:43 <fxspec06> i've never tried it. i'm sure it has it's uses
Jul 21 02:30:31 <nohorse> anyone embed a flash widget in an enyo app?  i'm wanting to test but no Flash on the emulator
Jul 21 02:31:02 <matbee_> You'd think we'd have FLEX by now.
Jul 21 02:31:47 <CTLAdvance> it would be nice if we had silverlight as well... for those .net users.
Jul 21 02:32:34 <nohorse> I think silverlight would help with a netflix app.
Jul 21 02:32:52 <halfhalo> yup
Jul 21 02:33:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Netflix rebuilt into HTML5, no?
Jul 21 02:34:01 <matbee_> no idea
Jul 21 02:34:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> pretty sure they did
Jul 21 02:34:16 <matbee_> even audio?
Jul 21 02:34:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://techblog.netflix.com/2010/12/html5-and-video-streaming.html
Jul 21 02:34:26 <nohorse> moon light on webos?
Jul 21 02:35:31 <halfhalo> moonlight doesn't work for netflix
Jul 21 02:37:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> alright, feels good to be fresh
Jul 21 02:37:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> python is gone; getting the newest release installed now
Jul 21 02:38:25 <nohorse> amazon video and hulu seem to run on more devices for me.  i'll go check webos
Jul 21 02:41:23 <CTLAdvance> but silverlight would help us court some wp7 devs
Jul 21 02:42:41 <CTLAdvance> I just wish they would start shipping developer device loaners...
Jul 21 02:47:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so apparently WP7's growing SO fast... but I couldn't actually name more than three apps on that platform despite reading like 12 tech blogs a day
Jul 21 02:47:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> is it just never discussed outside speciality sites?
Jul 21 02:50:17 <halfhalo> CTLAdvance: Talk to Adora! she wants something from you as well!
Jul 21 02:50:30 <CTLAdvance> oh yeah
Jul 21 02:50:47 <CTLAdvance> is that what I am missing?
Jul 21 02:51:10 <CTLAdvance> I was supposedly entered into the list... but they said they were testing the process
Jul 21 02:51:15 <CTLAdvance> i will look for her tomorrow
Jul 21 02:51:19 <halfhalo> no, she wants something else not related to anything about the dev device stuff
Jul 21 02:51:21 <nohorse> I think win8 and wp8 are moving to html5/js on the front end.  they are moving to more open web standards
Jul 21 02:51:25 <CTLAdvance> oh
Jul 21 02:51:43 <matbee_> anyone here have any experience using couchdb/iriscouch?
Jul 21 02:51:47 <CTLAdvance> Yeah they announced that already
Jul 21 02:52:23 <CTLAdvance> I hope win 8 installer is generic enough where we can install it on any tab, like this 10.1 I have here
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