**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 22 02:59:57 2011 Jul 22 03:23:50 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 22 03:24:17 11" MBA with 1.8GHz cpu… or 13" with 1.7… or 13" MBP with 2.7…. Jul 22 03:30:12 MBP Jul 22 03:30:19 MBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBP Jul 22 03:30:54 that's a no-brainer. Jul 22 03:31:45 MBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBPMBP ...... +10000000000000000000000000 Jul 22 03:33:53 but of course, patrick's getting the ones that are $300 on craigslist ;P Jul 22 03:34:17 I almost did :P Jul 22 03:34:22 and they aren't the new ones Jul 22 03:39:11 hey sugardave, when are you heading to Dallas? Jul 22 03:48:34 anyone use metrix in their enyo app? Jul 22 03:59:11 nope Jul 22 04:00:32 hey CTLAdvance Jul 22 04:00:40 Hey Patrick Jul 22 04:00:56 hey PatrickC Jul 22 04:00:58 hey CTLAdvance Jul 22 04:01:04 * PatrickC hides Jul 22 04:01:08 hey fx Jul 22 04:01:24 * fxspec06 throws coconuts at PatrickC Jul 22 04:01:37 * CTLAdvance steals one Jul 22 04:01:40 * CTLAdvance adds rum Jul 22 04:01:47 ow! Jul 22 04:02:00 man.. I'm really out of the swing for mojo... Jul 22 04:03:13 its this.controller.stageController.pushScene("sceneName"): Jul 22 04:03:17 s/:/;/ Jul 22 04:03:20 correct? Jul 22 04:04:00 yes Jul 22 04:04:17 this.controller.stageController.pushScene(); Jul 22 04:04:18 or Jul 22 04:04:26 Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene(); Jul 22 04:04:46 hey i found a fix for contacts photos bug not too long ago Jul 22 04:04:49 and now i can't find it Jul 22 04:04:50 does mojo do popups? Jul 22 04:05:47 Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("POPUP MESSAGE IS LAME"); Jul 22 04:06:06 oh idk about the ones your thinking about Jul 22 04:06:45 * halfhalo has decided macbookair Jul 22 04:07:10 for one reason only. Jul 22 04:07:30 cheaper? Jul 22 04:07:36 halfhalo, I thought about it as well, but glossy screen ruins it for me Jul 22 04:07:44 nope, not cheaper Jul 22 04:07:56 HattCzech_pre: Its the resolution thats got me. Jul 22 04:08:04 because... you like having less expansion ports? Jul 22 04:08:30 oh yeah Jul 22 04:08:38 it's more than 1024x768 now, right? Jul 22 04:08:38 i remember reading resolution for 13"mbp Jul 22 04:09:01 u really needa step up to the next model of mbp >.> Jul 22 04:09:06 and that's like another 200 Jul 22 04:09:42 13" pro is 1280x800, the 11" air is 1344x756, and the 13" us 1440x900 Jul 22 04:09:57 I'd like a 13" mbp or air, but glossy for the lose Jul 22 04:10:17 1440x900 is good Jul 22 04:10:45 1280x800 is alright. if you're blind like me Jul 22 04:10:54 but you want it to be at least 1366x768 Jul 22 04:11:03 at minimum Jul 22 04:12:10 Yeah, can't really go for 1280x800. I think I'm stuck with 1440x900 Jul 22 04:12:31 1440x900 is perfect for in-your-lap Jul 22 04:12:39 at that size Jul 22 04:12:55 meh, 14" can net you 1680x1050, which i much prefer Jul 22 04:13:04 yeah i know Jul 22 04:13:16 my 17" is 1920 x 1200 Jul 22 04:13:19 =DDDDD Jul 22 04:13:26 lol Jul 22 04:13:54 I don't do large laptops anymore Jul 22 04:13:54 but it also requires six men to carry Jul 22 04:14:22 this will be my first, and my last Jul 22 04:14:24 anything bigger than 13 is a nogo Jul 22 04:14:41 i agree. this thing is just too big Jul 22 04:14:47 i can't take it anywhere Jul 22 04:14:53 like i can. but i can't Jul 22 04:14:57 I like 15" Jul 22 04:16:32 1700 monies for my air I want... Jul 22 04:16:43 * PatrickC has $300 ... Jul 22 04:16:58 *sigh* done with mojo dev for tonight Jul 22 04:17:03 * PatrickC hates mojo Jul 22 04:17:06 PatrickC frustrated much? Jul 22 04:17:10 mojo is awesome Jul 22 04:17:19 no, enyo is awesome Jul 22 04:17:20 shoulda learned it while you had the chance Jul 22 04:17:30 1 file for visual *and* functions Jul 22 04:17:34 I did learn mojo Jul 22 04:17:42 but haven't touched it in a few months Jul 22 04:18:02 * fxspec06 turns on freedom by jimi hendrix Jul 22 04:18:45 * PatrickC gives app to fxspec06 to finish mojo Jul 22 04:19:49 thx fxspec06! you are a lifesaver! Jul 22 04:20:39 uhm Jul 22 04:20:41 no Jul 22 04:20:44 =D Jul 22 04:21:12 * fxspec06 throws wiffleball at PatrickC and hits him in the ass, so hard it stings and he screams and quits wiffleball Jul 22 04:21:27 that happend to me tonight. my teammate quit on me Jul 22 04:21:32 * PatrickC never played whiffleball.. Jul 22 04:21:35 :P Jul 22 04:21:59 * fxspec06 played baseball Jul 22 04:22:13 13" air with 256GB ssd, 4GB ram and 1.8GHz i7 Jul 22 04:22:35 * PatrickC played football, softball, baseball, soccer, basketball, etc. Jul 22 04:23:15 * halfhalo played baseball, then better games Jul 22 04:23:15 wow Jul 22 04:23:21 that sounds awesome. Jul 22 04:23:24 ssd<3 Jul 22 04:23:36 i want to get dual ssd in raid Jul 22 04:23:44 would be pointless. but would be awesome Jul 22 04:23:49 meh, not worth it. Jul 22 04:23:50 * rwhitby has 15" MBP, 512GB SSD, 8GB RAM :) Jul 22 04:23:59 psh Jul 22 04:24:02 i just want one ssd Jul 22 04:24:03 hey rwhitby! Jul 22 04:24:09 wait… thats what this is save for the ssd Jul 22 04:24:10 * PatrickC wants any macbook Jul 22 04:24:39 yeah that's all i need really. that along with the 8gb ram would max out my laptop Jul 22 04:24:53 why i have an almost maxed out pro for webos stuff? I have no idea Jul 22 04:25:20 buuuuuttttttt i love it! Jul 22 04:25:46 also: airdrop is weird Jul 22 04:26:28 airdrop? Jul 22 04:26:40 i have an almost maxed out P7811FX Jul 22 04:26:51 read up on it.. best laptop of 2008 Jul 22 04:26:58 * PatrickC doesn't have thing to max out.. yet :) Jul 22 04:27:08 P78…. gateway? Jul 22 04:27:27 yepp Jul 22 04:27:33 HAH Jul 22 04:27:39 * halfhalo has melted one of those Jul 22 04:27:43 lol Jul 22 04:27:56 * fxspec06 would have melted it, had he not set up this crazy amazing air flow control dock Jul 22 04:28:04 it works very well actually Jul 22 04:28:18 along w/ a nzxt cryo lx Jul 22 04:28:19 * dwc- has a 11.6" thinkpad, 5gb of ram, and a spinning metal platter Jul 22 04:28:43 w/o it tho, it would have melted by now Jul 22 04:29:33 * dwc- only paid ~$500 for it ... they're under $400 now Jul 22 04:29:40 * halfhalo has a 14" thinkpad, 11" acer, 15" asus, 15" mbp Jul 22 04:29:58 http://www.overclock.net/laptops-netbooks/293505-gateway-fx-laptop-series-thread-mods.html Jul 22 04:30:16 http://www.overclock.net/laptops-netbooks/378163-gateway-p-7811fx-thread.html Jul 22 04:30:25 my laptop gets in the 1100's in 3dmark06 Jul 22 04:30:49 halfhalo: I'll take that mbp when you get your air :) Jul 22 04:30:59 psh Jul 22 04:31:00 no Jul 22 04:31:03 lol Jul 22 04:31:03 the mbp is palms Jul 22 04:31:34 man.. Jul 22 04:32:05 sugardave will let me have it ;) Jul 22 04:32:24 PatrickC: you can have my laptop, for about ~$2000 Jul 22 04:32:38 umm.. pass Jul 22 04:32:39 lol Jul 22 04:32:52 lol Jul 22 04:32:53 not worth 2k. Jul 22 04:33:01 i know Jul 22 04:33:24 prob ~$500. but to me. it's worth 2k Jul 22 04:33:31 which is why i'm keeping it til it dies Jul 22 04:34:12 core2extreme x9100 alone is worth $200+ Jul 22 04:34:49 so it prob worth ~$600-$700 w/ the raid setup i've got. Jul 22 04:38:38 PatrickC: you can get a cheap laptop w/ socket p processor, get one w/o the processor, and i'll sell you my core2duo p8400 @2.26ghz Jul 22 04:38:52 for cheaps Jul 22 04:38:54 I need a mac Jul 22 04:38:59 it will work in a mac Jul 22 04:39:08 I need to get a mac first :P Jul 22 04:39:22 it'll probably be faster than anything you get in the mac Jul 22 04:39:31 for the price you're looking for Jul 22 04:39:31 what happened to your mbp? :P Jul 22 04:39:50 * PatrickC doesn't want to talk about it Jul 22 04:39:52 lol Jul 22 04:39:55 * halfhalo has p84000… but with a slightly different clock speed Jul 22 04:40:14 hows that Jul 22 04:40:22 hehehe... someone beat you to it? Jul 22 04:40:23 mine is an es Jul 22 04:40:27 ohhhh i see. Jul 22 04:40:38 it's a damn quick little bugger Jul 22 04:40:43 * halfhalo works for notebookreview Jul 22 04:40:44 NuttyBunny_Pre2: yep Jul 22 04:40:49 not good for gaming, but good for everything else Jul 22 04:40:49 http://www.tipb.com/2011/07/20/starts-fine-people-texting-walking-city-streets/ Jul 22 04:40:51 hahahahaha Jul 22 04:41:03 halfhalo: that's sweet! Jul 22 04:41:39 PatrickC: WTF. Jul 22 04:41:45 hahaha Jul 22 04:41:56 * PatrickC actually lol'd :D Jul 22 04:42:04 sdfk;ads;flgafh we can't text in our cars. now WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE DRIVING THEIR CARS Jul 22 04:42:14 and we can't freaking TEXT Jul 22 04:42:24 that's a violation of our rights Jul 22 04:42:29 haha Jul 22 04:42:32 and our freedom Jul 22 04:42:38 NuttyBunny_Pre2 will never face that Jul 22 04:42:39 the supreme court needs to stomp on that Jul 22 04:43:16 NuttyBunny_Pre2 is special Jul 22 04:43:48 Well, it's illegal here as well (driving and using the phone) ;) Jul 22 04:44:07 but is walking and texting? Jul 22 04:44:09 http://www.tipb.com/2011/07/20/starts-fine-people-texting-walking-city-streets/ Jul 22 04:44:26 ah, no, we're immune to that ;) Jul 22 04:44:32 yeah walking and texting. that's. so. fasefasdofioghaihgigaig Jul 22 04:44:40 k i can't think about that anymore. i'm going to bed Jul 22 04:44:46 hahaha Jul 22 04:44:47 * fxspec06 angry Jul 22 04:44:49 k night Jul 22 04:44:53 later Jul 22 04:45:00 * PatrickC watches fxspec06 turn green Jul 22 04:45:02 l8r Jul 22 04:45:08 * fxspec06_ green Jul 22 04:45:18 fxspec06_ ..... ANGRY!! Jul 22 04:45:22 k nite lol Jul 22 04:45:29 haha you are green Jul 22 04:45:37 your nick is actually green :D Jul 22 04:46:10 stupid cards Jul 22 04:46:12 * PatrickC mumbles Jul 22 04:47:22 fxspec06_: http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/files/wirc_2011-21-07_234004.png Jul 22 05:03:45 g. evening nApp9 coders! Jul 22 05:05:01 not again.. lol Jul 22 05:05:06 lol Jul 22 05:05:14 you really had him going Jul 22 05:05:47 you think Jul 22 05:06:08 lol Jul 22 05:07:05 * PatrickC 's mind hurts Jul 22 05:07:09 no more math! Jul 22 05:07:28 night all Jul 22 05:07:32 i need to figure out some array loop shit Jul 22 05:07:34 night Jul 22 05:07:46 dkirker: I'm making a mojo version now Jul 22 05:08:19 * PatrickC wants to code Jul 22 05:08:59 PatrickC: why not code Jul 22 05:10:40 cause Jul 22 05:10:45 I need docs I don't have.. Jul 22 05:10:55 and I really don't want to do mojo while sleepy.. Jul 22 05:10:56 lol Jul 22 05:11:05 who knows what it'll contain when I wake up haha Jul 22 05:11:24 * halfhalo did vbasic in a mojo app once Jul 22 05:11:53 I'll probably put {kind: "Button", onclick: "buttonTap"} and wonder why it doesn't work Jul 22 05:12:36 lastnight fixed a mayor bug at 3.39am Jul 22 05:13:48 have another mayor bug to fix... Jul 22 05:13:59 enyo or mojo? and is it a language you have been using often? Jul 22 05:14:15 I haven't done mojo in like.. months Jul 22 05:14:41 php Jul 22 05:14:51 but it is kinda complex code Jul 22 05:15:21 not complex simply alot of trial and error Jul 22 05:15:37 the backend to a new app Jul 22 05:15:49 cloud end Jul 22 05:16:02 mmm php Jul 22 05:16:03 ah Jul 22 05:16:07 hey oil Jul 22 05:17:22 hey Jul 22 05:17:45 LoneStar99: you have competition Jul 22 05:17:57 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.dreamdesign.scribblemp&applicationid=9891 Jul 22 05:18:35 wow Jul 22 05:18:40 iphone much Jul 22 05:19:51 PatrickC: sweet =) Jul 22 05:20:30 I left 'em a nice lil review ;) Jul 22 05:20:37 2* Jul 22 05:21:20 "Seems ok.. But to iPhone'esq... It doesn't remind me that I'm using a Pre, it feels like an iPhone too much.. Sorry.. Fix that, and you have more stars" Jul 22 05:21:27 looks kinda cool, have some similar functionality in my app but had to disable it cuss it was crashing everything: desktop browsers, emulators, actual webos pres etc... Jul 22 05:22:12 they took an iphone app, compiled it with the webos pdk Jul 22 05:22:18 and submitted it Jul 22 05:22:35 may release the functionalty next release, but working on another app now Jul 22 05:23:29 cool Jul 22 05:23:56 webos can always use more apps Jul 22 05:24:29 yeah Jul 22 05:24:39 but not ones that are total iphone ones Jul 22 05:24:42 with iphone ui Jul 22 05:25:08 PatrickC: Oh? I haven't tried the app yet. Been busy. Jul 22 05:25:18 that's fine Jul 22 05:25:28 but I started on the mojo version tonight Jul 22 05:25:32 iApp1 released Jul 22 05:25:40 figure I'll make more money if its on more devices :) Jul 22 05:26:25 i need to come up with a very simple app that makes money, all may apps take alot of time and are kinda poor sellers... Jul 22 05:27:39 I'm hoping this app will make money Jul 22 05:28:58 yeah hope it does also, so you can buy us devs some TPs Jul 22 05:30:10 haha Jul 22 05:33:49 where is everybody? Jul 22 05:34:10 sleeping Jul 22 05:34:23 sleeping is lame Jul 22 05:34:47 lol Jul 22 05:34:54 meh Jul 22 05:34:54 what time zone you in? Jul 22 05:35:48 central, but from pacific time zone Jul 22 05:36:00 12.30 here, but 10.30 cali Jul 22 05:36:14 in mexico right now Jul 22 05:36:37 I'm in central too lol Jul 22 05:36:52 por que no estas dormiendo? Jul 22 05:37:25 tengo buscar un error en mi codigo Jul 22 05:37:34 tengo que ... Jul 22 05:38:22 dwc-: en donde eres? Jul 22 05:38:30 de Jul 22 05:38:38 ee uu Jul 22 05:39:01 pstftw Jul 22 05:39:15 yea, everyone can be sleeping and you're the last ones up Jul 22 05:39:33 and you can say good morning to the euros before you go to sleep Jul 22 05:39:45 yeap Jul 22 05:40:17 lol Jul 22 05:40:58 whenever im working on things closely with rwhitby my sleep schedule gets all messed up Jul 22 05:42:12 yeah i bet, "fosters for beer" Jul 22 05:43:01 http://imgur.com/Ldpr3 Jul 22 05:43:03 this is uncanny Jul 22 05:43:37 ah Jul 22 05:43:47 just beat 50 lvls of a game Jul 22 05:43:55 that's the entire game.. lol Jul 22 05:43:56 wow crazy cool Jul 22 05:44:02 beat it in like.. 15 min? Jul 22 05:44:09 Plasma Cannon Jul 22 05:44:28 get the weirdos across the river? Jul 22 05:45:11 nope Jul 22 05:45:14 gave up lol Jul 22 05:47:14 ah Jul 22 05:47:18 off to bed. night all Jul 22 05:47:54 laters PatrickC Jul 22 05:48:32 cya LoneStar Jul 22 06:48:19 morning Jul 22 06:52:00 HI swisstomcat!! Jul 22 06:52:26 Morning Jul 22 06:52:49 * hotdp fells its the second day in a raw with the same three people saying morning Jul 22 06:52:58 hehe Jul 22 06:53:00 hi dkirker Jul 22 06:53:01 and hotdp Jul 22 06:53:12 what's new in webos-land? Jul 22 06:53:41 people are pissed on the payment problem Jul 22 06:55:53 howdy all Jul 22 06:55:56 yeah, i can understand Jul 22 06:55:57 hi lonestar Jul 22 06:56:03 hotdp, what is the payment problem? Jul 22 06:56:23 There have been alot of unhappy people here the last to nights (my time) Jul 22 06:56:30 something with the count being wrong Jul 22 06:56:38 people not getting the correct amount of money Jul 22 06:56:58 dev's not getting payed when palm give promos to people and they buy your app Jul 22 06:57:00 everyone can contact pdc@palm.com if they think the numbers are wrong Jul 22 06:59:55 yeah did not get paid yesterday my june sales where $129 Jul 22 07:05:29 swisstomcat: I know :) I just saying whats new Jul 22 07:08:27 * hotdp have stopped looked at the numbers long time ago Jul 22 07:08:35 *looking Jul 22 07:08:54 i received 4 euros this month in app payments :) Jul 22 07:09:06 hehe Jul 22 07:09:16 can you get a beer in swiss from that? Jul 22 07:09:28 lol Jul 22 07:11:47 a small one Jul 22 07:11:55 wuhu Jul 22 07:12:11 Then you have to drink it slowly :) Jul 22 07:56:34 You know, looking at all the Sprint Pre 3 discussion, I can't help but say "GSM FTW" Jul 22 07:57:01 GSM is ftw Jul 22 07:57:24 And i am not looking at the discussion :P Jul 22 07:57:40 Well yes, I'd say that without the discussion, but it just proves the point. Jul 22 07:59:45 There is just something nice about switching carriers being as simple as dropping in to say, 7 Eleven, grabbing a $2 SIM and sticking it in the phone. Jul 22 08:00:27 And not being tied to devices my carrier chooses to offer, and not having my devices tied to the carrier they were purchased from (at worst, unlock required). Jul 22 08:00:52 <3 GSM Jul 22 08:02:16 Indeed. Jul 22 08:03:31 Speaking of, I'm curious. What does it take to trigger display of the H+ icon on a Veer that isn't on AT&T? Jul 22 08:03:48 I dunno... Jul 22 08:03:58 My Veer, which is on AT&T only displays 3G. Jul 22 08:04:04 I think that I need a new SIM card... Jul 22 08:04:32 http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/browser_2011-22-07_052918.png <- My AT&T Veer, running on Telstra, only displays 3G - but clearly it is able to use HSPA+ Jul 22 08:05:35 So I'm just wondering how exactly the icon is triggered. Jul 22 08:21:50 haeffb: updated my review for pondnotes. thanks for the improvements :) Jul 22 10:00:21 hello.. Jul 22 10:01:14 i was jst trying to run my app on emulator but am getting jst a screen with the icon appearing on it Jul 22 10:01:21 its a simple helloworld app. Jul 22 10:02:47 it should display helloworld Jul 22 10:03:20 Like its loading? Jul 22 10:03:23 but it isnt doin..can anybdy tellme wat da prob. is? Jul 22 10:03:31 ya Jul 22 10:03:37 is it mojo? Jul 22 10:03:45 enyo.. Jul 22 10:04:38 i have installed n when i launch it.. Jul 22 10:04:59 a screen pop up displaying jst the icon Jul 22 10:06:41 any idea wat cud be da problem? Jul 22 10:07:00 With Mojo it happend if there where a coding error Jul 22 10:07:08 have you loged at the error log? Jul 22 10:07:13 *looked Jul 22 10:07:31 * hotdp bbl going to eat Jul 22 10:07:37 can u tell me how to do the same.. Jul 22 10:07:47 hi, i want to try to create an app for enyo ... the interface like preware ...but i haven't seen a code for enyo someone have a link to help me to understand how enyo work??? and how i have to write for it??? Jul 22 10:42:16 aster did you solve it? Jul 22 10:42:38 Darkmagister have you downloaded the sdk? Jul 22 10:42:47 yes Jul 22 10:44:05 hotdp...it is givin error saying errori in index:9 Jul 22 10:44:40 and my 9th line is ...new enyo.Canon.HelloWorld().renderInto(document.body); Jul 22 10:44:59 i did not see the first? Jul 22 10:45:39 its givin error in index file Jul 22 10:45:43 in this line Jul 22 10:46:00 i see Jul 22 10:46:12 its hard to solve wheni dont have the code Jul 22 10:46:41 i have one more prob.. Jul 22 10:46:49 like in mojo we use Jul 22 10:46:55 palm-generate Jul 22 10:47:08 what to use in enyo? Jul 22 10:47:20 coz the files created are different Jul 22 10:47:22 have you looked in the documentation? Jul 22 10:47:27 there is a guide on how to do it Jul 22 10:47:43 can u give me the link pls Jul 22 10:49:59 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/getting-started-with-the-emulator.html Jul 22 10:52:09 okay..i think i have gone thru it before... Jul 22 10:52:47 but as in mojo we have first assistant like files..we dont have it in enyo.. Jul 22 10:53:12 so upon generating new app name.. i get those in mojo. Jul 22 10:55:22 appinfo.json, depends.js, myapp.js, myapp.css , index.html, icon.png ...are these files alredy included wen i generate new app.? Jul 22 11:49:53 aster: there is no palm-generate for enyo apps. You'll have to do it manually Jul 22 13:24:29 morning all Jul 22 13:28:56 morning Jul 22 13:32:59 howdy swisstomcat Jul 22 13:33:32 :cop: Jul 22 13:38:58 morning Jul 22 13:39:13 hey funkatron Jul 22 13:39:17 hi hattczech Jul 22 13:39:19 hola amigo Jul 22 13:39:26 hello funkatron Jul 22 13:39:27 no worries, i'm a good cop ;) Jul 22 13:39:30 excellent Jul 22 13:39:48 swisstomcat: no bribes? Jul 22 13:39:59 nope Jul 22 13:41:55 boo Jul 22 13:43:31 swisstomcat: you are really a swiss cop? Jul 22 13:44:00 yep :) Jul 22 13:44:23 really since when? Jul 22 13:44:33 early may Jul 22 13:45:25 hp cop .. making sure you all behave here :) Jul 22 13:45:31 wow cool did no know, congrats, Jul 22 13:45:49 european developer relations Jul 22 13:46:00 oh right on Jul 22 13:46:13 cool Jul 22 13:47:29 must... find... sugardave... Jul 22 13:48:03 push the "superdave" button Jul 22 13:48:25 nice Jul 22 13:48:26 :cop: Jul 22 13:48:32 sugardave is a cop too :) Jul 22 13:48:38 so is pre101 Jul 22 13:48:54 * hotdp is not Jul 22 13:49:23 not here Jul 22 13:52:44 you guys should get that new Spaz HD build and put :cop: into it Jul 22 13:53:25 * swisstomcat uses Spaz HD a lot Jul 22 13:53:33 boom Jul 22 14:02:08 goes the dynamite Jul 22 14:05:01 http://gim.ie/bkN Jul 22 14:39:59 anyone else here live in austin? Jul 22 14:40:05 and heading to dallas for the webos thing? Jul 22 14:42:34 sugardave, I think Jul 22 14:48:53 yeah, i'm trying to get a hold of him Jul 22 14:49:01 but it might be a bit late at this point :/ Jul 22 15:08:52 anyone here attend the workshop yesterday? Jul 22 15:09:50 anyone with a touchpad that has Internalz on it? Jul 22 15:10:26 let me check Jul 22 15:10:45 hey swisstomcat! Jul 22 15:10:56 I'm just wondering the appid of lastfm and facebook Jul 22 15:11:59 hey patrickc Jul 22 15:12:09 i have filemgr installed but not internalz Jul 22 15:12:21 will it show you the appid of apps? Jul 22 15:12:33 (you can probably see those w/o internalz :) Jul 22 15:12:47 I'm checking to see if they run on my pre2 Jul 22 15:12:58 com.palm.app.enyo-facebook Jul 22 15:13:20 thx Jul 22 15:13:35 webos.lastfm Jul 22 15:15:21 thanks Jul 22 15:15:33 facebook remotely works.. Jul 22 15:15:56 lastfm hardly works Jul 22 15:17:03 ? Jul 22 15:17:12 what does that even look like? Jul 22 15:17:16 enyo facebook and lastfm on pre2 Jul 22 15:17:25 uploading facebook screenshot Jul 22 15:17:32 http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/files/enyo-facebook_2011-22-07_100922.png Jul 22 15:17:43 and lastfm in 1 second Jul 22 15:21:33 HattCzech_work: yeah, I got here last night...you better leave by now :D Jul 22 15:21:53 here's lastfm http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/files/lastfm_2011-22-07_101205.png Jul 22 15:22:58 hey sugardave Jul 22 15:23:23 here's a list of installed enyo apps. most don't work perfectly, but they do work http://awesomeapps.8tar.com/files/wirc_2011-22-07_101210.png Jul 22 15:24:39 hi swisstomcat Jul 22 15:25:01 hey sugardave Jul 22 15:25:51 interesting Jul 22 15:26:40 yep.. very easy to install enyo apps.. thanks to Impostah ;) Jul 22 15:27:40 any other enyo apps people want me to test out? Jul 22 15:29:43 * PatrickC now have facebook exhibition on his pre2 Jul 22 15:32:35 hey summatusmentis Jul 22 15:37:22 hey roy Jul 22 15:37:25 3 cops .. wow Jul 22 15:37:38 3 cops? Jul 22 15:37:38 cops? good times.... Jul 22 15:38:14 lol Jul 22 15:38:22 :cop: Jul 22 15:38:49 * halfhalo-work needs to go on an adora finding mission today Jul 22 15:39:00 lol Jul 22 15:39:21 already have chuq show you his collection of flame suits? Jul 22 15:39:25 good luck :P Jul 22 15:39:35 no, but then again, not on devrel Jul 22 15:39:44 don't have to deal with all that :p Jul 22 15:39:50 engineering? Jul 22 15:39:54 yup Jul 22 15:40:00 sdk? Jul 22 15:40:06 right, 4 cops then :o Jul 22 15:40:07 or just everything :P Jul 22 15:40:16 btw: congrats halfhalo Jul 22 15:40:21 no, but I sit right next to the sdk guy Jul 22 15:40:26 * PatrickC is lost on the whole cop thing Jul 22 15:40:27 cool Jul 22 15:40:32 swisstomcat: thanks. just wish it was for longer :/ Jul 22 15:40:51 halfhalo: you never know! Jul 22 15:41:09 it could be like dkirker's :) Jul 22 15:41:12 no, no, I do. I start school up again 2 days after this ends. Jul 22 15:41:25 bah.. who needs school :P Jul 22 15:43:17 me. Jul 22 15:48:13 halfhalo-work: what does notebookreview use for forums? Jul 22 15:49:19 vb Jul 22 15:49:26 and an ooooolllldddd version at that Jul 22 15:49:41 ah.. I tried Jul 22 15:49:43 vb* Jul 22 15:49:49 its a pay-for Jul 22 15:50:19 I'm gonna try quicksilver Jul 22 15:50:38 yes, it is payfor. Jul 22 15:50:44 as is most good things in life Jul 22 15:51:14 well, I don't have the $$$ to use payfor atm lol Jul 22 15:52:29 I'm actually goin with YABB Jul 22 15:55:25 YABBa YABBa Do! Jul 22 15:55:56 yABB Beta 1 released Jul 22 15:59:31 what? Jul 22 15:59:34 hey chuqui Jul 22 16:00:36 Looks like the app portal got tweak Jul 22 16:00:41 hey Jul 22 16:00:43 really? Jul 22 16:01:18 people stop messing w/ your fb account? lol Jul 22 16:12:06 hey chuqui Jul 22 16:12:13 6 cops! :O Jul 22 16:12:37 swisstomcat: howdee ho Jul 22 16:15:16 raid Jul 22 16:15:29 call the swat team Jul 22 16:18:46 i'm the swat team :) Jul 22 16:18:49 so is sugardave Jul 22 16:19:14 and roy101 Jul 22 16:23:13 do they carry guns?! Jul 22 16:23:55 yes Jul 22 16:24:04 phone guns Jul 22 16:24:09 haha Jul 22 16:24:39 "You have the right to use webOS!" Jul 22 16:25:29 :D Jul 22 16:25:59 hey, has anyone used AdMob in an Enyo app? Jul 22 16:28:45 akanster: negative. Jul 22 16:28:55 nope Jul 22 16:28:57 not yet Jul 22 16:31:54 I've found it more profitable to advertise my paid apps than use a service like AdMob Jul 22 16:33:11 hey twbbas Jul 22 16:33:19 PatrickC: too bad last.fm etc don't render that great on the pre2 Jul 22 16:33:27 yeah Jul 22 16:33:33 facebook looks decent Jul 22 16:33:37 if it would actually work Jul 22 16:34:01 hi Jul 22 16:36:41 * PatrickC hates geometry Jul 22 16:47:57 computer stripped, gutted, and cleaned Jul 22 17:11:20 LoneStar99: http://twitter.com/#!/dkdsgn/status/94451489061355520 Jul 22 17:12:35 woah now…. kense was at the webos workshop yesterday?!? Jul 22 17:14:01 Yeah, I'm jealous Jul 22 17:14:06 yeah he was Jul 22 17:14:22 * halfhalo-work didn't know that… else he would have hunted him down Jul 22 17:46:56 hey..i am not able to run my app on emulator its a simple helloworld app in enyo... Jul 22 17:47:21 palm-log is giving err Jul 22 17:47:37 palm-log is giving error in index.html file:9 Jul 22 17:48:01 heres my index .html file...http://pastie.org/2255210 Jul 22 17:48:46 running my app jst giving me a window with icon on it. Jul 22 17:49:42 look at your depends.js file and the references to your other source files Jul 22 17:50:40 depends .js is suppose to include the source code files that i have done Jul 22 17:51:05 i dont know y am not able to run it? Jul 22 17:51:44 you likely reference Canon.HelloWorld incorrectly Jul 22 17:52:12 in which file? Jul 22 17:52:44 check exactl which files depends loads, and then how you;ve defined your custom Canon.HelloWorld kind Jul 22 17:54:17 hmm...i exactly did not get u.. Jul 22 17:55:13 your error is likley not in index.html, its likley which files you've included via depends.js and how those files define Canon.HelloWorld() Jul 22 17:55:36 you may also do better by running your test app in Chrome to debug, rather than the emulator. Jul 22 17:57:48 i have included helloworld.js in depend.js n heres the code of helloworld.js...http://pastie.org/2255252 Jul 22 17:59:24 run your app in Chrome to debug, you get better details. Jul 22 18:00:31 okay...how to run it in chrome i have never dun it before Jul 22 18:02:04 I think thats in the SDK docs or atleast in teh forums. You referece the SDK copy of enyo.js on your PC and then launch chrome with parameters to allow cross domain ajax, etc. Jul 22 18:02:36 i know this is heresy and all but it sure would be nice to get a g+ app Jul 22 18:03:07 especially huddle Jul 22 18:03:28 plus.google.com Jul 22 18:03:34 ta da! Jul 22 18:04:23 yeah no Jul 22 18:04:44 maybe once the api is public i'll hack something up Jul 22 18:05:19 cxreg: I will love you forever if you do Jul 22 18:05:52 nice. patch on webos -> 'patch --dry-run -p1 foo.patch' Jul 22 18:06:12 patch: unrecognized option '--dry-run' Jul 22 18:06:25 is it even gnu patch? Jul 22 18:06:25 Usage: patch [OPTIONS] ..... Jul 22 18:06:32 it's probably busybox Jul 22 18:06:38 "--dry-run Dont actually change files" Jul 22 18:06:49 no, its busy box but thats a great error message. Jul 22 18:06:54 haha Jul 22 18:06:59 "dont use that, here's help, help says use that". Jul 22 18:07:04 nice Jul 22 18:07:46 does the pre's browser support the html5 location stuff? Jul 22 18:09:01 trying on html5demos.com, looks like no Jul 22 18:13:14 busybox sucks Jul 22 18:16:12 hi all Jul 22 18:20:07 wow, my cpu is like 10 degrees cooler and my gpu is like 4 degrees cooler today Jul 22 18:20:36 i took it apart and tightened the cpu heatsink clamp, and cleaned all the dust out of both fans Jul 22 18:20:40 you clearly dont live in new york. Jul 22 18:20:53 lol i live in boston and it's 101 outside Jul 22 18:24:47 it's 89 here and I'm miserable Jul 22 18:25:11 of course the A/C in the office is broken Jul 22 18:25:57 i'm pretty miserable here too. even w/ a/c Jul 22 18:29:18 I'm out in 35 minutes though Jul 22 18:31:19 i'm impressed tho from my CPU. at 3.325 and an hour of GTAIV it maxed at 87* Jul 22 18:31:39 this morning at 3.06 it was maxing at 93 Jul 22 18:32:05 i can prob go back up to 3.5 Jul 22 18:41:05 fixed a one pixel bug after about 24+ hours in 3 days Jul 22 18:41:13 1 freaking pixel................... Jul 22 18:41:34 so don't ever say 1 pixel ain't shit Jul 22 18:42:33 1 pixel ain't shit Jul 22 18:42:59 lol Jul 22 18:43:35 1 pixel aint shit. Jul 22 18:43:50 sucked... i turned code inside and out, and was 1 black pixel killing the loops... Jul 22 18:44:05 damn nigger pixel Jul 22 18:44:17 hate those ones Jul 22 18:44:24 "One" "Black" "Pixel" Jul 22 18:44:28 yeah Jul 22 18:44:36 jungle bunny pixel Jul 22 18:44:50 lol Jul 22 18:44:51 j/k Jul 22 18:44:54 code have been green but chose "black" as in johnny walker black =) Jul 22 18:44:57 what the hell is wrong with you guys? Jul 22 18:44:58 lol Jul 22 18:45:13 akanster: everything Jul 22 18:45:43 akanster: 1 Pixel was the Prob. Jul 22 18:45:50 i suppose it wouldn't have made a difference if it was a white pixel Jul 22 18:46:31 funny enough the fix was a white pixel Jul 22 18:46:36 make it a transparent pixel - problem solved. Jul 22 18:46:36 ahhaha Jul 22 18:46:47 make it a purple pixel Jul 22 18:47:11 or, you could make it change colour on a interval Jul 22 18:47:29 that would only be fair to all the other pixels Jul 22 18:47:54 black vs. white <--> bad vs. good <--> webos vs. aNapp <--> Jul 22 18:47:55 http://pastebin.com/vgTWteNk Jul 22 18:48:52 all this debugging for aNapp10 Jul 22 18:48:59 lol Jul 22 18:50:29 guess i gonna go to mcdonalds here in mexico for a gringo lunch Jul 22 18:50:58 oh god. i'm so hungry right now. and i had pizza bites about an hour ago Jul 22 18:51:09 the heat. it's making me hungry Jul 22 18:51:49 * PatrickC wanders in Jul 22 18:51:58 aNapp.. again? haha Jul 22 18:52:07 * fxspec06 throws raw chicken at PatrickC Jul 22 18:53:07 PatrickC: aNapp is now 1BPixel Jul 22 18:53:27 * PatrickC cooks chicken Jul 22 18:53:31 LoneStar99: wow.. lol Jul 22 18:53:35 it's an app about the segregation between the black and white pixels Jul 22 18:53:44 lol yeah Jul 22 18:53:52 featuring Martin Luther Pixel Jul 22 18:53:57 lol Jul 22 18:54:46 * fxspec06 needs more food Jul 22 18:55:59 alright brb time for mcdonalds in da south Jul 22 18:56:11 * fxspec06 finds double stuf peanut butter oreos! Jul 22 18:56:16 PatrickC how's villo coming Jul 22 18:56:38 fxspec06: haven't worked on it much since last night Jul 22 19:02:37 I'll probably work on the mojo version w/ villo and metrix tonight Jul 22 19:04:09 is it 2012 yet Jul 22 19:04:25 yes Jul 22 19:04:32 its 12/12/12 Jul 22 19:05:01 fxspec06: you should start working on enyo, even if its little bits at a time Jul 22 19:05:45 enyo is fun Jul 22 19:05:55 did you know orion is going to align in the same positions as the planets and the pyramids in both august of 2012 and december of 2012 Jul 22 19:06:04 enyo is ridiculously easy compared to mojo Jul 22 19:06:19 and i don't know if i'm going to be porting my game to enyo. ever Jul 22 19:06:33 then make another app Jul 22 19:06:36 * halfhalo-work only says enyo is fun since he is on the enyo team Jul 22 19:06:43 1 app does bring in the tons of money :) Jul 22 19:06:58 halfhalo-work: I have a fix for scrolling not working on phones Jul 22 19:07:06 anyone know if the author of dr. podder is still around, or left webOS? Jul 22 19:07:07 not sure if you have it (you probably do) Jul 22 19:07:42 the tons of money Jul 22 19:07:49 idk what kind of app i should do Jul 22 19:08:01 i can't start a new project. Jul 22 19:08:01 hmm... Jul 22 19:08:09 Angry Pigs Jul 22 19:08:11 i still haven't finished the current one Jul 22 19:08:15 lol Jul 22 19:08:25 * PatrickC has like 4 projects go on at the same time Jul 22 19:08:26 no way i'd rather do like angry cats Jul 22 19:08:48 Angry Pigs: The Porkers Strike Back Jul 22 19:09:10 i won't do that, but i'd make a bacon app Jul 22 19:09:25 lol Jul 22 19:09:29 with all kinds of bacon recepies and info about bacon Jul 22 19:09:32 hey, make a *good* gun app Jul 22 19:09:46 I would, but I have too many projects as it is Jul 22 19:10:02 i have to do something that i can do. i know next to nothing about pigs, bacon, and guns Jul 22 19:10:19 guns.. they go boom Jul 22 19:10:21 :) Jul 22 19:10:26 who needs a gun app? Jul 22 19:10:29 bacon.. is pigs Jul 22 19:10:32 real funs are better Jul 22 19:10:34 dwc-: uh.. me? Jul 22 19:10:35 gns* Jul 22 19:10:38 guns* Jul 22 19:10:41 * halfhalo-work fails Jul 22 19:10:42 lol Jul 22 19:10:44 you live in the south... don't you have a pile of them? Jul 22 19:10:44 lol Jul 22 19:11:00 i live in the massachusetts Jul 22 19:11:03 dwc-: parents don't really like guns/weapons Jul 22 19:11:13 don't bring a gun app to a gun fight! Jul 22 19:11:35 ok.. Jul 22 19:11:43 I'll bring a bomb app to a gun fight Jul 22 19:11:46 i can make a shotgun app where it shows a picture of a shotgun and you hit the spacebar to shoot Jul 22 19:11:53 then to reload you have to close the slider and reopen Jul 22 19:12:01 DO IT! Jul 22 19:12:03 I really want 'palm-install -d wifi com.foo.app' Jul 22 19:12:05 that would be cool Jul 22 19:12:12 rwatkins: huh? Jul 22 19:12:14 lol Jul 22 19:12:18 -d wifi ? lol Jul 22 19:12:31 hate having a cord to side load :) Jul 22 19:12:40 lol Jul 22 19:12:43 same here Jul 22 19:13:11 but i'd have to make it in mojo Jul 22 19:13:13 fxspec06: I expect that shotgun app to be in the catalog by next friday. that gives you about 4 days to work Jul 22 19:13:24 it doesn't make sense to code for enyo Jul 22 19:13:34 and no way! i'd have to have it done today Jul 22 19:13:39 to submit today Jul 22 19:13:40 yeah it does, if you want it native to the touchpad Jul 22 19:13:49 but there's no slider... Jul 22 19:13:49 and i'm on self-vacation til monday. so no. no way. Jul 22 19:13:55 screw enyo Jul 22 19:13:59 /next/ friday Jul 22 19:14:17 dwc-: in general, it makes sense Jul 22 19:14:21 i'm not coding for enyo yet. it makes NO SENSE Jul 22 19:14:30 yeah it does, if you want it native to the touchpad Jul 22 19:14:31 fxspec06, amen brother Jul 22 19:14:31 or does it.... Jul 22 19:14:39 PatrickC, "native" is javascript Jul 22 19:14:42 "enyo" is a framework Jul 22 19:14:52 and imho, enyo is a useless framework Jul 22 19:14:53 it doesn't look native if its enyo Jul 22 19:14:59 enyo is amazing Jul 22 19:15:04 heh Jul 22 19:15:05 I <3 enyo Jul 22 19:15:07 it only works on the touchpad Jul 22 19:15:13 and my pre2 Jul 22 19:15:15 yes it only works on the touchpad Jul 22 19:15:29 everyone should just stop using palm's useless frameworks, and use a phonegap friendly one Jul 22 19:15:30 how am i supposed to make money of a pre 2 enyo app if only patrickc can buy it Jul 22 19:15:33 my main dev device for *enyo* is my pre2 Jul 22 19:15:50 clearly you dont use scrollers Jul 22 19:16:02 rwatkins: I have a fix for that Jul 22 19:16:09 oh lawd Jul 22 19:16:14 so many hacks going around Jul 22 19:16:18 I'm thinking of making my website with enyo ;) Jul 22 19:16:20 ENYO ONLY WORKS ON YOUR DEVICE PATRICKC Jul 22 19:16:27 PatrickC, they arent licensing enyo Jul 22 19:16:30 and NuttyBunny's Jul 22 19:16:31 it will only be allowed on a webos device Jul 22 19:16:33 its possible.. Jul 22 19:16:40 possible yes, legal no. Jul 22 19:16:45 * PatrickC begs palm to license enyo Jul 22 19:16:51 they are -not- letting you use it for something non-palm Jul 22 19:16:53 it's not happening Jul 22 19:16:54 I'm talking about the licenseing Jul 22 19:16:56 its not happening Jul 22 19:17:02 it could Jul 22 19:17:04 its not Jul 22 19:17:07 halfhalo: make it hapen Jul 22 19:17:07 it's not Jul 22 19:17:10 happen* Jul 22 19:17:16 pipedream. Jul 22 19:17:26 if palm would do what's right, they'd make it phonegap native Jul 22 19:17:37 yep agreed Jul 22 19:17:42 dont make it happen - having to support tons of browsers is a huge time sink for a team that doesnt have the time for that crap. Jul 22 19:18:10 rwatkins: does it not already support webkit browsers? Jul 22 19:18:21 rwatkins, not all webkit is the same. Jul 22 19:18:27 PatrickC: it supports Palms version of webkit on a TouchPad. Jul 22 19:18:40 Mojo + Enyo = waste of time Jul 22 19:18:44 it maybe supports Chrome. Maybe Safari. maybe maybe maybe. Jul 22 19:18:46 it runs fine in Safari and Chrome in my experience Jul 22 19:18:58 it runs fine in the CURRENT version of chrome Jul 22 19:18:58 lol Jul 22 19:19:02 PatrickC: "in my experience" does not mean "in every case when running in the real world" Jul 22 19:19:12 I use Chromium.. so.. Jul 22 19:19:16 writing your app in enyo is a death sentence Jul 22 19:19:44 rwatkins: show me when it crashed in safari, and I'll believe it doesn't work in regular webkit Jul 22 19:19:47 or chrome Jul 22 19:19:56 it might be awesome, but it's not right. Jul 22 19:20:06 PatrickC: I' Jul 22 19:20:19 If palm wanted more apps, they'd make a kick ass framework for phonegap and suck in developers. Jul 22 19:20:20 l'? Jul 22 19:20:26 PatrickC: I'd bet my left arm there are bugs that appear in Safari or Chrome that work ok on the TouchPad. Jul 22 19:20:35 "regular" webkit? Jul 22 19:20:48 you mean, versus the broken version on the phones? :) Jul 22 19:21:02 probably are, but they are working those out. most devs probably use safari/chrome for most testing Jul 22 19:21:06 I've done web development for 18 years now. There are cross browser bugs in enyo. Jul 22 19:21:41 * dwc- does some math Jul 22 19:21:41 I use my pre2 (which isn't that good w/ enyo) and a browser for *all development* Jul 22 19:21:49 lol Jul 22 19:21:52 "most" "some" making it work for real world use cases in non-Palm-webkit browser is a huge waste of time that would be better spent enhancing the actual framework for thier target platform. Jul 22 19:22:19 2011-18 = ... 1993... so that's.... the early versions of ncsa mosaic then? Jul 22 19:22:24 dwc-: yes Jul 22 19:22:40 I compiled x mosaic for a NeXT cube. Jul 22 19:22:42 rwatkins: if they license, it'll have to be compatible Jul 22 19:22:54 PatrickC, THEY WONT LICENSE IT Jul 22 19:23:10 it's a pipedream Jul 22 19:23:20 someone mentioned it in a speech before, and they shouldn't have Jul 22 19:23:46 dwc-: submitted bug fixes for ncsa httpd. yes, I was doing web dev in 93. when the had a web page updated every few days listing the new sites on the web now. Jul 22 19:23:53 until they outright say, "Hey, write your app in Enyo, have it work on iOS! Android! Blackberry!" Jul 22 19:24:17 PatrickC: you can't develop for what will be or what could be, you should ONLY develop for WHAT IS, and never anything more Jul 22 19:24:52 fxspec06, tell that to meego dev's :P Jul 22 19:25:03 or was it maemo Jul 22 19:25:09 whatever the nokia thing is Jul 22 19:25:11 lol Jul 22 19:25:16 meego, symbian, idk Jul 22 19:25:32 i'd be so pissed Jul 22 19:26:03 yeah, meego preached cross-platform development Jul 22 19:26:09 and then death Jul 22 19:26:29 until its real, and viable, go away Jul 22 19:26:42 that means you, enyo Jul 22 19:27:50 and besides, the touchpad is about $200 overpriced and I don't own it... so, I won't develop for it. Jul 22 19:30:01 and holy hell, jquery mobile sucks Jul 22 19:30:13 don't do everything for me, plsthx Jul 22 19:30:34 Its the cross platform support thats made Objective C so very popular, eh? Jul 22 19:31:41 that is a somewhat crazy statement Jul 22 19:32:28 i like crazy Jul 22 19:32:32 just pointing out that enyo doesnt necessarily need to be cross platform to be worth learning. Jul 22 19:32:58 enyo is just easy.. Jul 22 19:33:29 matbee: there's always a dev coupon Jul 22 19:33:34 so is Visual Basic. Jul 22 19:33:38 easy isn't always best Jul 22 19:33:53 25% off a TouchPad is nice Jul 22 19:34:02 do people still use vb? Jul 22 19:34:09 * PatrickC is hoping for 35% Jul 22 19:34:13 PatrickC: well, its "easy" Jul 22 19:34:26 CSI used visual basic to make a GUI to track down this killer's IP address once Jul 22 19:34:26 but it isn't used hardly at all Jul 22 19:34:35 PatrickC: 35% isn't on the list, is it? Jul 22 19:34:47 PatrickC: It's just 25% and then 60% right? Jul 22 19:34:51 people definitely still use VB Jul 22 19:34:55 if you have an app in for >2 yrs, you get an extra 10% Jul 22 19:35:00 PatrickC: maybe to you, as anything over 2 yrs old is 'ancient' Jul 22 19:35:12 PatrickC: Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. I've only been in the AC for 1 year to this week. Jul 22 19:35:36 my first app was kinda/sorta around this time last year Jul 22 19:35:50 i think i'm gonna go take a nap. it's too hot to be doing anything Jul 22 19:35:52 but I believe chuq said "since the pre- period" Jul 22 19:36:10 fxspec06: make that shotgun app Jul 22 19:36:21 PatrickC: i'm on vacation Jul 22 19:36:22 PatrickC: So it's not 2 years then? It can be 1 year too? Jul 22 19:36:36 not sure Jul 22 19:36:44 I'm just saying what chuq said Jul 22 19:36:57 that shotgun app will take me all of an hour to make Jul 22 19:36:59 well, there was a "possibly" in front of that statement. Jul 22 19:37:06 fxspec06: then do it Jul 22 19:37:19 no i'm takng a nap. on my vacation week Jul 22 19:39:59 shotgun app? Jul 22 19:40:00 wait what Jul 22 19:40:03 a gun noise? Jul 22 19:44:37 i can make a shotgun app where it shows a picture of a shotgun and you hit the spacebar to shoot Jul 22 19:44:40 then to reload you have to close the slider and reopen Jul 22 19:45:41 wow just got an email i qualify for a loaner TP !! Jul 22 19:46:17 oh Jul 22 19:46:23 sell it for $5 Jul 22 19:46:28 lol Jul 22 19:46:35 a loaner tp? Jul 22 19:46:37 f that Jul 22 19:46:56 i dont understand people to develop for a platform they don't own Jul 22 19:47:04 *a device for Jul 22 19:47:15 matbee: maybe they can't afford a tp yet Jul 22 19:47:23 LoneStar99: good for you! Jul 22 19:47:39 but im happy to hear that they actually loan them out Jul 22 19:47:57 I'm waiting for my coupon Jul 22 19:47:58 If I make enough money from my upcoming app, ill definitely buy a touchpad Jul 22 19:48:19 if not, ill just wait for the prices to hella drop Jul 22 19:48:22 I'm watching some friends dogs for a month.. should hopefully make a couple hundred Jul 22 19:48:25 i would rather spend the $599 in a hotel room with a hot chick! drinking some cocktails! Jul 22 19:48:33 hahaha Jul 22 19:48:38 lol Jul 22 19:48:42 drinking cocktails wont get you chicks Jul 22 19:48:44 :P Jul 22 19:48:45 * PatrickC would rather have a touchpad :P Jul 22 19:49:15 LoneStar99: Nice!!!!! Congratulations! Jul 22 19:49:44 LoneStar99: I got one too, I told them to give it to someone else, since I'd gotten one already (didn't have one when I inquired about it) Jul 22 19:50:00 gotten? a touchpad? Jul 22 19:50:03 will buy a veer or pre3 then a touchpad, but for now a loaner TP will do me just fine, do need to actually text one app forsure, cuss it was crashing everything that was running it Jul 22 19:50:03 you bought one? Jul 22 19:50:28 LoneStar99: Did you see the link I posted earlier? http://twitter.com/#!/dkdsgn/status/94451489061355520 Jul 22 19:50:32 PatrickC: my parents helped me get one as a grad gift Jul 22 19:50:41 kool Jul 22 19:50:54 I saw that Jul 22 19:51:21 twbbas: thanks will email them in abit Jul 22 19:51:32 You're welcome Jul 22 19:52:11 but then i want to keep the TP, will be charged a discounted price =) Jul 22 19:53:31 hee Jul 22 19:53:34 hehe* Jul 22 19:53:37 10% :P Jul 22 19:53:58 the 27th is the last day palm should have to get back to me Jul 22 19:54:10 based on what? Jul 22 19:54:12 LoneStar99: You can keep it for a discounted price? Jul 22 19:54:22 Do you know how much? Jul 22 19:54:53 well, they will charge after 60 days of not returning a discounted price for the device according to dev belt Jul 22 19:54:54 summatusmentis: that will be 15 business days since the first email Jul 22 19:55:09 ah, so 25% probably Jul 22 19:55:30 oh Jul 22 19:56:24 yeah, i had a toshiba laptop, that was always getting fixed, so had like 4 or 5 toshiba loaners, i like loaners! Jul 22 19:56:34 lol Jul 22 19:58:03 hmm Jul 22 19:58:15 thats not so bad Jul 22 19:58:19 that makes me like touchpads Jul 22 19:58:54 er loaners Jul 22 19:59:16 hmmm 2 months is plenty of time to get something going.... Jul 22 19:59:22 twbbas: ok emailed derek AT precentral tahnsk Jul 22 19:59:28 yeah forsure Jul 22 19:59:32 who did you inquire about the loaner? Jul 22 19:59:54 60 days is great! Jul 22 20:00:30 i emailed pdcATpalm.com Jul 22 20:00:38 I just dont understand how people develop solely on emulator Jul 22 20:00:41 makes me scratch my head Jul 22 20:00:49 Yeah Jul 22 20:01:05 You also can't test in-app items at all using the emulator Jul 22 20:01:11 oh no way Jul 22 20:01:20 You have to have a device WITH a profile setup Jul 22 20:01:27 :-/ Jul 22 20:01:30 really? Jul 22 20:01:52 theres no developer sandbox Jul 22 20:02:48 palm emulators are awesome, android emulators ran like a turtle so discounted android dev... Jul 22 20:03:03 android emulators are horrid beasts Jul 22 20:03:06 The whole in-app item process seems pretty rushed to me. We submitted our item on June 30th and it was stuck (not being seen by reviewer). After 2 weeks, I emailed them about it and they still haven't fixed it. I decided to just pull it because I have to fix some other things in the app first, anyways. Jul 22 20:03:49 I heard that the Android emulator lets you change code and run the app without having to install the whole app onto the emulator again Jul 22 20:04:03 That's pretty neat Jul 22 20:04:19 matbee: there's an instructions linked on the developer discount page Jul 22 20:04:31 Although, developer in chrome and just simply refreshing the page is neater Jul 22 20:04:34 developing* Jul 22 20:04:38 yeah Jul 22 20:04:40 for sure Jul 22 20:04:44 twbbas: yeah agreed! Jul 22 20:04:55 Plus the whole developer console thing they have going on in there Jul 22 20:05:44 developing using webkit browser is very killer! Jul 22 20:05:45 brb Jul 22 20:06:30 * twbbas can't wait to be able to develop on the TouchPad FOR the TouchPad Jul 22 20:06:38 I could have used it on this car ride a few days ago Jul 22 20:06:57 I ended up having to take both my laptop and my TouchPad Jul 22 20:32:38 oh man, all kinds of nice swag at the Dallas webOS event. Jul 22 20:33:21 http://twitpic.com/5u4buz Jul 22 20:33:48 Yeah, I saw that. I wish I was there but it's on the complete other side of the country :( Jul 22 20:34:07 i cant complain too much, as the NYC event got the Pre2s Jul 22 20:34:26 yeah that was spectacular Jul 22 20:34:33 but kinda sad there is no dev rel rep in the nyc area at all now. Jul 22 20:36:00 I wish I had gotten a bit more rest before I went to that one though Jul 22 20:44:50 lol http://twitpic.com/5u5mkf Jul 22 20:48:59 Oops. Jul 22 20:49:32 twbbas: hahahahaha Jul 22 20:49:59 nice bumper Jul 22 20:52:04 should used the self driving car Jul 22 20:56:59 they didn't need it, they were feeling lucky Jul 22 20:58:37 "the google" car sure was lucky! Jul 22 20:58:48 alright chat laters gonna take off to the beach! Jul 22 21:01:17 jealous Jul 22 21:02:23 will take pics! Jul 22 21:02:31 and have some cold ones =) Jul 22 21:02:36 laters Jul 22 21:03:05 have one for me Jul 22 21:03:09 ahrhg Jul 22 21:03:42 jerk. my cousins went to the beach today w/o me, and it's 105 right now Jul 22 21:10:20 wow Jul 22 21:10:57 wow Jul 22 21:11:22 Hey, PatrickC, we have the same amount of characters in our names! Coincidence? Obviously Jul 22 21:11:36 lol Jul 22 21:12:24 dang.. now I'm stuck as this nick lol Jul 22 21:12:33 i give up Jul 22 21:12:39 lol Jul 22 21:13:11 lol Jul 22 21:13:35 it won't let me change Nick :P Jul 22 21:13:37 holy crap it's so hot. even w/ the a/c running full blash Jul 22 21:13:40 blast* Jul 22 21:14:15 I g2g Jul 22 21:14:15 cya Jul 22 21:14:21 l8er Jul 22 21:14:24 I expect that shotgun app on monday :) Jul 22 21:22:27 woot! cross app launch - Spaz if availble, twitter.com if not. Up next: Facebook app. Jul 22 21:22:39 that's awesome rwatkins Jul 22 21:22:55 :hfive: Jul 22 21:23:37 maybe when there are actually two TP twitter clients I'll search thru several app ids, but good for now. Jul 22 21:23:56 yeah, I was thinking about making a simple lib to handle that sorta thing Jul 22 21:24:00 so people could just drop it in Jul 22 21:24:31 rwatkins: what is this for? Jul 22 21:24:48 AtomicPlayboy: Paper Mache - instapaper client for TP Jul 22 21:24:55 Ah. Jul 22 21:24:56 funkatron: ya, would be handy Jul 22 21:25:56 is it possible to cross app launch a no-window app and .. have it not create a card? Jul 22 21:26:18 I think it's possible yeah, but the app itself would have to support that sorta thing Jul 22 21:26:41 for Spaz I wouldn't do it for posting because I think posting on behalf of the user is just asking for trouble Jul 22 21:26:51 funkatron: yea, I get 'sync' correctly w/ alarm - create a dashboard and close, but cross app launch seems to try and create a visible card. Jul 22 21:27:06 oh you know, I think I saw a wiki article on that Jul 22 21:27:08 lemme find it Jul 22 21:27:14 funkatron: but can you say .. cross app launch spaz to 'sync' but have it never render a window? Jul 22 21:27:27 rwatkins: you can't yet, but I think it's possible Jul 22 21:27:38 maybe I'm crazy tho Jul 22 21:27:57 funkatron: I would think so too .. but doesnt seem to work for me unless I'm just missing something obvious Jul 22 21:28:48 so this is where I would start http://www.webos101.com/Enyo_%22Multi-Card%22_Applications Jul 22 21:29:13 my thinking is that you can make it just not open a window… Jul 22 21:29:23 but I haven't actually tried that Jul 22 21:29:46 funkatron: ya, thats what I do - never open a window. but then it creates a 'starting app' card .. that never starts because I dont create the visible card. Jul 22 21:29:52 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jul 22 21:29:56 well shit. Jul 22 21:30:41 so yeah, at that point I guess I'd turn to the forums Jul 22 21:32:14 yea, so for now I just force creating the card anyway so its not just broken in that case, but would prefer to just create a dashboard, do the work and then let close ... all in the background. Jul 22 21:32:22 right, totally Jul 22 21:32:35 seems like we must be missing somethin Jul 22 21:32:37 +g Jul 22 21:33:51 ya, alarms clearly work that way, but not cross app launch. but may be missing something. cant think of an app at the moment that works that way cross launch. Jul 22 21:34:00 hrm Jul 22 21:34:15 see, it seems like alarms are doing the same thing cross-app lauches do Jul 22 21:34:16 hrm. Jul 22 21:34:24 funkatron: ya, would think so. Jul 22 21:34:37 maybe the launcher service treats an alarm differently Jul 22 21:34:57 well. alas. Jul 22 21:35:11 it's officially well beyond my understanding 8) Jul 22 21:37:14 god i hate the forum software Jul 22 22:00:13 Does anyone have any experience whatsoever serving ads in their TouchPad app? Jul 22 22:04:44 negative Jul 22 22:20:17 Is there documentation on how to test an in-app item with a live app? Jul 22 23:22:11 #3 http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/640/5-best-cell-phones-doomed-to-be-collectible/ Jul 22 23:23:14 Ouch Jul 22 23:23:39 They just said the Pre, not webOS Jul 22 23:23:57 So, I'd say it's a good thing that it's on that list. It means that it was a great phone but just didn't take off. Jul 22 23:24:25 every phone is a Pre Jul 22 23:24:31 (except the Veer) Jul 22 23:24:36 of course... they're talking about 5 phones, not 5 phone platforms Jul 22 23:25:26 well, it beat out the Xperia Play >_> Jul 22 23:25:38 which is a phone I've never understood the concept for Jul 22 23:26:31 That list should go back a few more years. There are some duds that are more deserving Jul 22 23:26:32 the pre is like. what a person who'd never heard of or used a smartphone would expect from a smartphone. Jul 22 23:26:41 like the Apple + Motolora phone Jul 22 23:27:49 apple + motorola? Jul 22 23:27:52 which phone was that? Jul 22 23:28:09 Or the ESPN Phone - http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/06/29/mobile-espn-launches-samsung-ace/ Jul 22 23:28:23 haha I remember that phone Jul 22 23:29:00 summatusmentis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_ROKR_E1 <- Jul 22 23:29:28 oh, I vaguely remember that Jul 22 23:29:35 it was a huge deal too Jul 22 23:30:04 it didn't do that well though Jul 22 23:30:19 I don't remember that phone at all Jul 22 23:31:33 Wow, that Engadget article only had 3 comments on it. Jul 22 23:31:41 3 legit comments Jul 22 23:31:46 no trolls either Jul 22 23:31:50 before the trolls and fanboys :) Jul 22 23:31:53 Yup Jul 22 23:32:22 it's also engadget mobile Jul 22 23:32:28 which is less visited, I believe Jul 22 23:32:39 True Jul 22 23:53:20 Evening everyone Jul 22 23:54:16 'allo! Jul 22 23:54:53 Howdy Jul 22 23:55:25 "How did the hipster burn his mouth? He starting eating his pizza long before it was cool." Jul 23 00:04:36 someone just tweeted that on my feed Jul 23 00:04:45 That was me lol Jul 23 00:04:57 no, it wa before you Jul 23 00:05:07 "just" I guess is inaccurate Jul 23 00:05:25 oh really. I got it from this site http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/21/jokes-from-the-ghole.html?utm_source=pulsenews&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 Jul 23 00:05:33 @natemcintyre tweeted that site about an hr ago Jul 23 00:05:37 I saw it about 2 hours ago Jul 23 00:05:49 lol some of them are hilarious Jul 23 00:05:50 that's likely where the person I saw it from got it also Jul 23 00:18:02 Derp. Jul 23 00:27:26 * halfhalo yawns Jul 23 00:27:48 HOW DO I PUT THE BATTERIES INTO THIS DAMN KEYBOARD Jul 23 01:01:47 What is the PDK? Jul 23 01:03:04 Plugin Development Kit Jul 23 01:03:16 I mean, what does it do? Jul 23 01:03:31 Allows you to write apps in C Jul 23 01:03:48 That's it? Jul 23 01:04:06 Well, a lot of iPhone apps are written in C so it makes it easy for devs to port them Jul 23 01:04:18 Oh. Jul 23 01:04:21 Thanks Jul 23 01:04:22 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/pdk_overview.html Jul 23 01:04:27 You should look over that Jul 23 01:04:39 Okay Jul 23 01:04:51 How do I add devices to the emulator? Jul 23 01:05:11 What do you mean? Jul 23 01:05:46 I go to the SDK download/install page, and at the bottom it lists other devices I can add. Jul 23 01:06:11 Just lost 100 koto player sales. Jul 23 01:06:23 Tibfib_: Ouch… How? Jul 23 01:06:32 Palm is bad at reporting Jul 23 01:06:34 What are you saying? Jul 23 01:06:48 Guest14494: Oh, I see what you mean. You should just be able to download each version and install it. Jul 23 01:07:02 How? I run Ubuntu Jul 23 01:07:30 Vaguely off topic: Anyone know how to properly make an Ext4 partition? I keep trying, but it munches the superblocks alive and leaves me with a drive that doesn't mount… :I Jul 23 01:07:42 Guest14494: To be honest, I've never downloaded emulator images from there. It looks like a virtual machine image so you'd need to get Virtual Box or something similar. Not sure if it works on Ubuntu though Jul 23 01:08:11 I have VirtualBox. It's required for the SDK Jul 23 01:08:34 Guest14494: Ok so maybe you just import the image into Virtual Box somehow? I don't really know Jul 23 01:08:45 Oh. Jul 23 01:08:49 Too bad. Jul 23 01:08:52 Guest14494: I don't even know if there's an installer that gets downloaded too Jul 23 01:08:55 Anyone else know? Jul 23 01:09:57 wait, you mean the different version links? Jul 23 01:09:58 * Guest14494 is away: I need to go, but I'll be back Jul 23 01:10:24 WTF! My June sales reports says I only made $2! Jul 23 01:10:44 What reports? Jul 23 01:10:53 On the My Apps page Jul 23 01:11:03 Oh. Jul 23 01:11:07 that HAS to be wrong Jul 23 01:11:11 Ad campaings? Jul 23 01:12:09 Rubu killed webos. good thing they fired him Jul 23 01:12:55 Can you guys look at this link and either reply to it or PM me the answer? Thanks: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=16689 Jul 23 01:13:48 What's PM? Jul 23 01:13:58 Private Message me on here Jul 23 01:14:29 How do I do that? Jul 23 01:14:40 Type /query twbbas Hi! Jul 23 01:14:48 then a box should appear Jul 23 01:15:20 Okay. Jul 23 01:16:03 I went to the webpage, but it said I was unauthorized Jul 23 01:16:18 Yeah, it's in a *secret* part of the developer forums Jul 23 01:16:36 So, how do I get to it? Jul 23 01:17:25 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/webos_3_0_developer_beta.html?sssdmh=dm13.274312 Jul 23 01:18:35 ok Jul 23 01:34:48 Whyyyy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XayxMPrUP4 Jul 23 01:35:45 Um...okay? Jul 23 01:35:59 herrrro Jul 23 01:40:38 ever try GetGlue? Jul 23 01:42:18 http://www.humorsharing.com/funny-statistics/1005/ Jul 23 01:42:20 hahaahahaahah Jul 23 01:47:20 do webOS application APIs work the same under enyo as they do in mojo? I notice there is only 1 section for them in the api reference Jul 23 01:48:21 ah this looks helpful on that topic Code Jul 23 01:48:32 zylogz80: C3 80 00 Jul 23 01:48:33 cut and paste fail http://www.webos101.com/Enyo_Code_Snippets Jul 23 02:13:58 for a "share on facebook" link in an app, is it preferred to launch the FB app or the website? mainly thinking about if the app isn't installed... Jul 23 02:15:24 Flashpass: try and launch the app and if that fails, revert to the webiste Jul 23 02:16:27 rwatkins: okay, sounds like a good compromise Jul 23 02:17:04 there is also a bug where if you don't have the facebook app open, it won't let you populate the status field automatically Jul 23 02:17:38 I think it's going to be fixed in the next update, but I dont know whether to release my update with the code like that Jul 23 02:18:02 Flashpass: ya, saw tha. and the api is undocumented. and havent looked to see if they ahve anything other than 'status'. Jul 23 02:18:29 working on exactly this right now Jul 23 02:19:27 him, i'm thinking of just putting it in anyway Jul 23 02:19:38 potentially noting it somewhere Jul 23 02:19:40 Howdy Jul 23 02:20:13 i am now as well. about to dig out the source code to see if they support any other actions than "status". Jul 23 02:20:48 and then seeing if I can extract the FB app from 3.0.0 and repackage and install on an .. "upcoming" release for testing. Jul 23 02:21:21 that would be useful, let me know the results of that Jul 23 02:22:28 mainly just weather is properly puts the status in the field when not open hha Jul 23 02:50:46 rwatkins: assembly code? Jul 23 02:50:52 halfhalo: one at a time. Jul 23 02:51:37 haeffb: hm? Jul 23 02:51:47 sorry. rwhitby Jul 23 02:51:58 too many rw nicks in here. Jul 23 02:52:05 ah Jul 23 02:52:06 well, one too many, anyway Jul 23 02:52:44 haeffb: something for the Z80 to execute Jul 23 02:52:56 nice Jul 23 02:53:48 I really wanted a Sinclair Z80 while in high school. Never did get one though. Jul 23 02:54:08 haeffb: Z80 is the device on which I did my first hardware mod Jul 23 02:54:29 C3 being the opcode for jmp absolute Jul 23 02:54:37 old school **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 23 02:59:57 2011