**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 23 02:59:57 2011
Jul 23 03:06:21 <rwatkins> Flashpass: appears to be the case - cross launch w/ FB app closed and status update doesnt work.
Jul 23 03:07:44 <Flashpass> rwatkins: sorry missed your I'm, what were you saying?
Jul 23 03:07:57 <Flashpass> IM*
Jul 23 03:08:18 <rwatkins> repro'ed the bug - if FB app is closed the cross launch for status update doesnt populate
Jul 23 03:08:30 <Flashpass> aw seriously
Jul 23 03:08:44 <Flashpass> on 1.0.2?
Jul 23 03:09:15 <rwatkins> on the plus side i did learn how very easy it is to suck off the contents of the app folder and package and install things on a second device that doesnt have access to the prod app catalog ...
Jul 23 03:10:09 <rwatkins> Flashpass: on a "version newer than the 3.0.0 production release"
Jul 23 03:10:23 <Flashpass> that is good to know, did you ftp the files off and repackage?
Jul 23 03:10:30 <Flashpass> ah gotcha hehe
Jul 23 03:10:37 <rwatkins> ya
Jul 23 03:11:13 <Flashpass> nice, thanks for info even though its not what I wanted haha
Jul 23 03:11:34 <Flashpass> could it potentially be part of the FB app though?
Jul 23 03:11:35 <rwatkins> didnt really check the code but only supports status updates and launching to specific pages.  likley just needs to also get handled in create() as well.
Jul 23 03:11:57 <Flashpass> right
Jul 23 03:12:00 <rwatkins> yea, probalby a fairly trivial fix to the app, not the os.
Jul 23 03:12:25 <Flashpass> yeah, alright thanks again
Jul 23 03:13:00 <rwatkins> think I'm going to shove it in anyway and assume it gets fixed soon.
Jul 23 03:13:08 <Flashpass> same here
Jul 23 03:13:29 <Flashpass> could try setting it twice lol
Jul 23 03:13:35 <rwatkins> for the few that actually post to FB all the time, they likey ahve the app running anyway .. if not, its an easy customer support answer.
Jul 23 03:13:43 <rwatkins> ha
Jul 23 03:13:49 <Flashpass> yeah
Jul 23 03:14:20 <rwatkins> so .. woot!  second cross launch app supported.  too bad it appears neither of the Tumblr apps do.
Jul 23 03:34:35 <PatrickC> madnificent: ping
Jul 23 03:35:15 <twbbas> Yo PatrickC
Jul 23 03:35:22 <twbbas> I got TextOne HD on my TouchPad
Jul 23 03:36:36 <twbbas-tp> Pretty sweet
Jul 23 03:37:48 <PatrickC> awesome
Jul 23 03:38:06 <PatrickC> I took apart my pre+ and put it back together successfully :D
Jul 23 03:38:10 <PatrickC> hey IGNTNUNLMTD
Jul 23 03:39:25 <twbbas-tp> Nice
Jul 23 03:39:44 <twbbas-tp> Prepping for Pre 2 Sprint conversion?
Jul 23 03:39:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hey PatrickC
Jul 23 03:39:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hey fxspec06_pre2
Jul 23 03:40:15 <fxspec06_pre2> hey ignt hey pat
Jul 23 03:40:16 <PatrickC> twbbas-tp: yep
Jul 23 03:40:21 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: hey!
Jul 23 03:40:31 <fxspec06_pre2> so I take it a ton of ppl are pissed
Jul 23 03:40:38 <fxspec06_pre2> from sales reports
Jul 23 03:40:44 <PatrickC> what happened?
Jul 23 03:40:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> luckily I don't have anything in the cat (yet)
Jul 23 03:41:15 <fxspec06_pre2> you dont follow the rite ppl I guess
Jul 23 03:41:37 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: like who?
Jul 23 03:41:43 <fxspec06_pre2> @hedami, @mynamesconnor, @ozetadev
Jul 23 03:41:49 <akanster> the dev center is all fucked up
Jul 23 03:42:03 <fxspec06_pre2> jason robataille
Jul 23 03:42:28 <fxspec06_pre2> all made less than $5 in june
Jul 23 03:42:29 <akanster> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=16084&start=100
Jul 23 03:42:46 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 23 03:42:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06_pre2: what song is it that RIM uses?
Jul 23 03:43:21 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 23 03:44:24 <rwhitby> I made a total of $8.71 according to the portal.
Jul 23 03:44:48 <fxspec06_pre2> I have no clue what song it is. its a good one though
Jul 23 03:45:42 <fxspec06_pre2> none of those figures sound correct to me -_-
Jul 23 03:45:48 <twbbas-tp> I made $2.71
Jul 23 03:49:49 <fxspec06_pre2> thats not even possible
Jul 23 03:50:19 <fxspec06_pre2> unless your app is like 97c and you sold 4 copies
Jul 23 03:51:04 <fxspec06_pre2> even then it averages to $2.72
Jul 23 03:51:41 <twbbas-tp> 1.99 and sold 2 I think it says
Jul 23 03:51:51 <twbbas-tp> But it's completely wrong
Jul 23 03:52:56 <fxspec06_pre2> thats 2.79
Jul 23 03:54:13 <twbbas-tp> Maybe it said 2.79 then. Idk
Jul 23 03:54:45 <fxspec06_pre2> lol even still thats bogus
Jul 23 03:55:03 <twbbas-tp> I checked a few days earlier and it was MUCH higher
Jul 23 04:09:20 <PatrickC> chuq is on the case
Jul 23 04:09:37 <PatrickC> twbbas-tp: you done the sprint pre2 conversion?
Jul 23 04:09:50 <twbbas-tp> No
Jul 23 04:09:53 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: ping
Jul 23 04:10:03 <PatrickC> you gonna? or are you not on sprint?
Jul 23 04:10:56 <twbbas-tp> I'm stuck on Sprint with a Pre-. If the Pre 3 doesn't come to Sprint then I'll do it if I can find a Pre 2 for under $150
Jul 23 04:11:06 <rwhitby> the Pre 3 is not coming to sprint
Jul 23 04:11:12 <rwhitby> there's no "if" about it
Jul 23 04:11:15 <PatrickC> hey rwhitby
Jul 23 04:11:18 <fxspec06_pre2> ping
Jul 23 04:11:25 <PatrickC> man. the pictoral guide is nice
Jul 23 04:11:27 <fxspec06_pre2> pong*
Jul 23 04:11:51 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: the app cat doesn't like it when you have the IPK installed, and then an update is pushed :P
Jul 23 04:12:37 <fxspec06_pre2> what do you mean
Jul 23 04:12:55 <PatrickC> I have 0.7.7 installed, and you pushed an update to the App catalog
Jul 23 04:13:03 <PatrickC> it tried to update and it failed lol
Jul 23 04:13:14 <fxspec06_pre2> did you buy the game?
Jul 23 04:13:32 <PatrickC> nope.. parents don't like me buying apps :/
Jul 23 04:13:43 <PatrickC> they think its a waste of money.. :/
Jul 23 04:13:51 <fxspec06_pre2> well then that would explain why wouldnt it
Jul 23 04:14:02 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 23 04:14:03 <twbbas-tp> Lol
Jul 23 04:14:14 <PatrickC> important things in the update?
Jul 23 04:14:44 <fxspec06_pre2> nothing imprtant that a pirate should worry about
Jul 23 04:14:51 <twbbas-tp> ^
Jul 23 04:14:59 <PatrickC> me? a pirate? lol
Jul 23 04:15:04 <halfhalo> pirate!!!
Jul 23 04:15:09 <PatrickC> you gave me the ipk lol
Jul 23 04:15:14 <fxspec06_pre2> lol
Jul 23 04:15:16 <twbbas-tp> Walk the plank!
Jul 23 04:15:45 <fxspec06_pre2> nah it only affected fresh installs
Jul 23 04:15:46 * PatrickC wonders how he's the pirate when the dev gave him the app..
Jul 23 04:15:50 <PatrickC> hrmm.. :P
Jul 23 04:15:54 <PatrickC> ah ok
Jul 23 04:16:11 <halfhalo> pirate
Jul 23 04:16:16 <halfhalo> !
Jul 23 04:16:21 <PatrickC> arg!
Jul 23 04:16:37 <fxspec06_pre2> arrrrrrrrrrr!
Jul 23 04:16:58 * twbbas-tp goes to sleep
Jul 23 04:17:05 * PatrickC gots nothin... me hartys
Jul 23 04:17:19 <PatrickC> night twbbas-tp
Jul 23 04:17:58 <fxspec06_pre2> nigt
Jul 23 04:18:26 <PatrickC> fxspec06_pre2: you frankenpre?
Jul 23 04:19:09 <fxspec06_pre2> nope. I verizonpre
Jul 23 04:19:39 <fxspec06_pre2> but I imagine a commboard swap wouldnt be difficult
Jul 23 04:19:44 <PatrickC> meanie.. you'll get the pre2
Jul 23 04:19:48 <PatrickC> pre3*
Jul 23 04:20:00 <fxspec06_pre2> yes I will
Jul 23 04:20:03 <PatrickC> I just took my vzw pre+ apart and put it back together tonight
Jul 23 04:20:08 <fxspec06_pre2> I got an upgrade in septembet
Jul 23 04:20:20 <PatrickC> my upgrade is in feb.
Jul 23 04:20:28 <PatrickC> evo 3D, here I come
Jul 23 04:20:42 <fxspec06_pre2> I took apart my p7811fx and put it bak together earlier today
Jul 23 04:20:54 <fxspec06_pre2> cpu cooled 10 deg
Jul 23 04:21:00 <fxspec06_pre2> and gpu cooled 4 deg
Jul 23 04:21:09 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 23 04:21:13 <PatrickC> C or F?
Jul 23 04:21:40 <fxspec06_pre2> and cpu is more stable coz I tighened the heatsink clamps... something I havent done since I installed in december.
Jul 23 04:21:46 <fxspec06_pre2> C
Jul 23 04:22:30 <fxspec06_pre2> thats also rough estimate. actual results may vary. but it was a huge difference
Jul 23 04:22:43 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 23 04:22:59 <PatrickC> my cpu is fairly cool on my lappy :)
Jul 23 04:23:03 <fxspec06_pre2> lots of dust gone. lotssss of dust gone. and lots of screws tightened. lol
Jul 23 04:24:06 <fxspec06_pre2> well I like to overclock mine to the max. and its been crapping at 12x
Jul 23 04:24:21 <fxspec06_pre2> and its ran stable before at 13.5x
Jul 23 04:24:30 <fxspec06_pre2> which is 3.59GHz
Jul 23 04:25:02 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 23 04:25:04 <fxspec06_pre2> (stable as in, 2 hrs b4 crashing)
Jul 23 04:25:32 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 23 04:25:38 <PatrickC> I wish I could oc my laptop
Jul 23 04:27:10 <fxspec06_pre2> so today after I cleaned it I was able to run gtaiv w/ a mild CPU OC and a light GPU OC and maxd at 85*cpu and 75*gpu
Jul 23 04:27:12 <PatrickC> my pixi was faster then my laptop
Jul 23 04:28:07 <fxspec06_pre2> lol you needanew laptop
Jul 23 04:28:13 <PatrickC> I know haha
Jul 23 04:28:20 <fxspec06_pre2> I told you I have that socket p processor
Jul 23 04:28:48 <PatrickC> will it work in my laptop that I have now?
Jul 23 04:28:53 <PatrickC> it currently has a P3
Jul 23 04:31:29 <fxspec06_pre2> look it up
Jul 23 04:31:31 <fxspec06_pre2> google it
Jul 23 04:31:47 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 23 04:31:52 <PatrickC> I'm too tired to google
Jul 23 04:31:53 <PatrickC> :P
Jul 23 04:32:01 <PatrickC> infact.. I'm off to bed
Jul 23 04:32:37 <fxspec06_pre2> wait
Jul 23 04:32:54 <PatrickC> ok..
Jul 23 04:33:00 <PatrickC> stupid TextOne
Jul 23 04:33:27 <fxspec06_pre2> socket p is 479
Jul 23 04:33:48 <PatrickC> no clue what mine is
Jul 23 04:34:08 <fxspec06_pre2> mobile p3 is 495
Jul 23 04:34:17 <fxspec06_pre2> so no
Jul 23 04:34:17 <fxspec06_pre2> gnite
Jul 23 04:35:00 <PatrickC> night
Jul 23 11:36:08 <phoque_uni> hmm... how can I use selections and ranges to modify the string returned by a RichText without modifying the content of that element itself?
Jul 23 11:38:16 <zomg> Am I understanding it correctly that Mojo.Depot is just a wrapper around the HTML5 database?
Jul 23 11:38:35 <zomg> Eg. opening a depot foo and opening a database foo would actually open exactly the same database?
Jul 23 11:40:15 <rwatkins> zomg: yes
Jul 23 11:40:55 <zomg> Okay, thanks
Jul 23 12:27:51 <astro__> hey in enyo app..what i have to write in the src tag in index.html file?
Jul 23 12:32:17 <haeffb> depends
Jul 23 12:32:24 <haeffb> 	<script src="../../../../opt/PalmSDK/Current/share/refcode/framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js" type="text/javascript" launch="nobridge">
Jul 23 12:32:27 <astro__> on what?
Jul 23 12:32:42 <haeffb> are you wanting to run in browser?
Jul 23 12:32:51 <astro__> on emulator
Jul 23 12:32:53 <haeffb> where is your SDK installed?
Jul 23 12:33:01 <haeffb> where is your app working directory?
Jul 23 12:33:07 <astro__> let me check..
Jul 23 12:33:23 <astro__> "C:\Program Files\Palm\SDK\bin\palm-emulator.bat"
Jul 23 12:33:40 <haeffb> no, the enyo directory
Jul 23 12:34:01 <astro__> what is it?
Jul 23 12:34:32 <astro__> i guess i dont have the 1
Jul 23 12:34:37 <haeffb> you just need to give a relative path from your app working directory to the enyo.js file
Jul 23 12:34:51 <haeffb> and that's only if you want to run in a browser (which you do..)
Jul 23 12:35:16 <astro__> how to create enyo directory?
Jul 23 12:35:45 <haeffb> if you just want to run in the emu and on device, you can probably just put /framework/enyo/1.0/framework/enyo.js
Jul 23 12:35:55 <haeffb> it was created when you installed the SDK
Jul 23 12:36:26 <astro__> am using sdk 3.0 but dont have it..
Jul 23 12:36:39 <astro__> is enyo.js file also supposed to install
Jul 23 12:36:40 <astro__> ?
Jul 23 12:36:47 <haeffb> it's on there somewhere...
Jul 23 12:37:21 <haeffb> but I don't know the location in Windows
Jul 23 12:37:27 <haeffb> do a search for enyo.js
Jul 23 12:38:00 <astro__> in search it is not there...
Jul 23 12:38:19 <astro__> does that means that i dont havi it?
Jul 23 12:39:32 <astro__> in sdk 3.0 kit we have sample in enyo framework?
Jul 23 12:39:43 <astro__> sample code* like the 1 in mojo
Jul 23 12:39:51 <haeffb> yes, if you can find it
Jul 23 12:40:15 <astro__> that means i have sum prob with my sdk kit
Jul 23 12:40:27 <astro__> i think i should reinstall it..
Jul 23 12:40:58 <astro__> coz i dont have enyo.js file nywhere
Jul 23 12:43:52 <astro__> jst 1 last thing..if i have sdk 3.0 den  should i also have enyo.js file sumwrer?
Jul 23 12:56:46 <haeffb> yes, you should
Jul 23 13:30:15 <haeffb> dumb: enyo.string.applyFilterHilight only hilights the first occurrence of the search string.
Jul 23 14:30:16 <dwc-> sounds like a bug, based on the docs
Jul 23 14:44:49 <Guest99999999> Hi!
Jul 23 14:45:21 * dwc- waves
Jul 23 14:46:24 <Guest99999999> What's the topic?
Jul 23 14:51:38 <dwc-> /topic
Jul 23 14:52:02 <Guest99999999> Thanks
Jul 23 14:52:07 <Guest99999999> I'm new to IRC
Jul 23 14:54:53 <haeffb> dwc-: it's an easy fix, they just forgot to include the "g" in the regexp
Jul 23 14:55:50 <haeffb> "Unofficial discussion"
Jul 23 14:55:52 <haeffb> of what?
Jul 23 14:56:04 <Guest99999999> what's regexp?
Jul 23 14:56:07 <haeffb> apparently, anything, based on the logs
Jul 23 14:56:14 <haeffb> regular expression
Jul 23 14:57:48 <Guest99999999> Of what?
Jul 23 15:14:29 <dwc-> haeffb: kinda sounded like it
Jul 23 15:28:17 <Guest99999999> WHat sounded like it?
Jul 23 15:35:07 <Guest99999999> dwc?
Jul 23 15:44:04 <LoneStar99> morning peeps
Jul 23 15:49:42 <Guest99999999> Morning
Jul 23 15:56:20 <Guest99999999> What is the PDK for?
Jul 23 15:56:51 <stbuehler> only for people who know what it is for :)
Jul 23 15:57:49 <Guest99999999> So what is it for?
Jul 23 15:58:32 <Loudergood> C
Jul 23 15:59:00 <Guest99999999> That's it?
Jul 23 15:59:17 <stbuehler> somehow i'm sure you're just trolling
Jul 23 16:00:18 <Guest99999999> What's trolling?
Jul 23 16:02:01 * Guest99999999 is away: I need to go, but I'll be back
Jul 23 16:45:13 <zomg> Bah, might need to do a datafile -> sqlite run on the first launch of my app
Jul 23 16:45:29 <zomg> Starting to get maybe a bit inefficient in places to have the entire list of 6500'ish or so items in memory
Jul 23 16:46:11 <zomg> Would be convenient if the DB api allowed you to just open a DB from a file, could just bundle the entire db with the app
Jul 23 16:46:22 <haeffb> that would be convenient
Jul 23 16:51:37 <twbbas> Reading from a DB is faster than reading from a text file, right?
Jul 23 16:52:31 <zomg> Dunno, but I don't need to have all of the data in memory all the time, and having them in the DB will allow some more efficient ways of querying the data too
Jul 23 16:52:57 <zomg> Now finding things is basically loop over 6500 rows
Jul 23 16:53:08 <zomg> The DB is probably a bit more efficient at that, esp if I use indexes
Jul 23 16:53:26 <twbbas> I'm trying to optimize my app and right now I have it reading line by line of a text file everytime it loads  a pane
Jul 23 16:53:57 <twbbas> I bet storing that text file in a DB would be better
Jul 23 16:54:21 <zomg> So you have a file and you load it using XMLHttpRequest or something like that?
Jul 23 16:54:43 <twbbas> yeah
Jul 23 16:55:33 <zomg> Have you thought about using JSON instead of just plain text?
Jul 23 16:55:48 <zomg> It might be a bit faster to process, and more convenient to access in code too
Jul 23 17:01:02 <twbbas> hmm, not I haven't. I haven't done much javascript until recently
Jul 23 17:01:04 <twbbas> thanks!
Jul 23 17:02:03 <zomg> I've done a whole lot of JS but next to no webOS stuff myself :)
Jul 23 17:04:49 <twbbas> I didn't start javascript until I started doing apps. Still learning new stuff :D
Jul 23 17:23:56 <zomg> Aaaand boom
Jul 23 17:24:09 <zomg> Just hit the limit of what I can sanely do with my current sorta hacky data storage approach :D
Jul 23 17:24:18 <zomg> (storing some in SQL, some in memory)
Jul 23 17:24:44 <zomg> Apparently having 1207 items in a IN(...) clause is too many :P
Jul 23 17:24:58 <twbbas> lol
Jul 23 17:25:24 <zomg> Time to move the data to the DB so I can do more sane queries...
Jul 23 17:27:46 * Guest99999999 is back (gone 01:25:45)
Jul 23 17:29:04 <Guest99999999> What's sqlite?
Jul 23 17:29:42 <zomg> sqlite is the database engine used by the HTML5 database thingy
Jul 23 17:30:43 <Guest99999999> Cool
Jul 23 17:30:50 <Guest99999999> What's with the db?
Jul 23 17:32:13 <zomg> Oh, nothing. I'm just abusing it a bit too much =)
Jul 23 17:32:30 <zomg> I knew there might be a limit to what I was doing, but I had to try :D
Jul 23 17:32:43 <Guest99999999> Why are you thinking of a DB instead of sqlite?
Jul 23 17:32:56 <zomg> Huh?
Jul 23 17:33:28 <Guest99999999> You were talking about dbs and plain text and sqlite
Jul 23 17:34:43 <zomg> Uhm, sqlite is a database engine
Jul 23 17:34:56 <Guest99999999> I know
Jul 23 17:34:58 <zomg> He was just wondering whether it would be more efficient to use a DB instead of plaintext
Jul 23 17:35:11 <zomg> What I'm doing is not related to his issue
Jul 23 17:35:13 <Guest99999999> Wouldn't it be better to use plain text?
Jul 23 17:35:25 <Guest99999999> Less code
Jul 23 17:35:30 <zomg> I suppose it depends on what you're doing
Jul 23 17:35:45 <Guest99999999> Please elaborate
Jul 23 17:35:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD|Pre2> Greetings.
Jul 23 17:36:16 <zomg> Well let's say you have a lot of data (like I do at the moment) and you need to find certain things amongst that dataset
Jul 23 17:36:32 <zomg> In this case it's more efficient to use the database, because it's more suited to querying large amounts of data
Jul 23 17:36:41 <Newbie> Would that require plain text
Jul 23 17:37:49 <Guest11809> Why is the db more efficient?
Jul 23 17:37:52 <Guest11809> Oops
Jul 23 17:37:54 <Guest11809> DUh
Jul 23 17:38:13 <Guest11809> What makes DBs more suited for large data?
Jul 23 17:38:41 <dkirker> organized structure, that has been put to the test
Jul 23 17:38:53 <Guest11809> THanks
Jul 23 17:39:43 <webOSNewbie> I'm new to everything
Jul 23 17:39:50 <webOSNewbie> I started IRC a few days ago
Jul 23 17:41:49 <dkirker> It's ok. We are all new to something
Jul 23 17:42:04 <webOSNewbie> I know
Jul 23 17:42:08 <webOSNewbie> I'm only 13
Jul 23 17:42:09 <webOSNewbie> 12
Jul 23 17:42:10 <dkirker> My secret: I actually have not learned Enyo yet.... Doing that this weekend. :|
Jul 23 17:42:18 <webOSNewbie> 13 next moth
Jul 23 17:42:20 <twbbas> You'll love Enyo
Jul 23 17:42:20 <webOSNewbie> month
Jul 23 17:42:21 <dkirker> 13 is a good age to start at
Jul 23 17:42:44 <webOSNewbie> It means I get my PayPal account for my birthday
Jul 23 17:42:46 <dkirker> twbbas: It scares me... I am an web browser guy and love having the DOM around.
Jul 23 17:45:17 <zomg> I started maybe around 11 or 12 I think
Jul 23 17:45:17 <twbbas> hmm, I'm going to try to make dynamically loaded panes so I can just swap between panes instead of having to parse my data text file to load each component everytime. This should reduce the lag by a ton
Jul 23 17:45:38 <webOSNewbie> @zomg
Jul 23 17:45:38 <zomg> Although back then we didn't really have anything that was both easy to work with and easy to get results quickly like nowadays :)
Jul 23 17:45:49 <webOSNewbie> @zomg start webOS?
Jul 23 17:45:53 <dkirker> I think that I was... hmmm... 15? It was my Freshman year of high school
Jul 23 17:45:55 <dkirker> 9 years ago
Jul 23 17:45:58 <zomg> webOSNewbie: Oh I meant programming in general
Jul 23 17:45:59 <dkirker> uh, 14
Jul 23 17:46:01 <webOSNewbie> Oh
Jul 23 17:46:04 <webOSNewbie> I started at 9
Jul 23 17:46:09 <zomg> Heh
Jul 23 17:46:10 <zomg> you nerd
Jul 23 17:46:11 <zomg> ;>
Jul 23 17:46:19 <webOSNewbie> I got laptop at 18 months
Jul 23 17:46:24 <dkirker> this was back in the day of PalmOS
Jul 23 17:46:26 <twbbas> I started "programming" in mIRC around 13ish. Then switched to PHP about 16, and then starting making webOS apps when I was 17.
Jul 23 17:46:32 <webOSNewbie> In computers ever since
Jul 23 17:46:50 <dkirker> my first language: C (maybe basic if you count the TI calculators).
Jul 23 17:46:57 <twbbas> oh yeah, TI!
Jul 23 17:47:03 <webOSNewbie> I did QBASIC
Jul 23 17:47:06 <zomg> C was my first language too
Jul 23 17:47:09 <webOSNewbie> Then TI-83+
Jul 23 17:47:14 <twbbas> I used to make programs that held all my math formulas lol. I'd distribute it to all my friends before class
Jul 23 17:47:15 <webOSNewbie> Then webOS and PHP
Jul 23 17:47:36 <webOSNewbie> PHP doesn't count i guess
Jul 23 17:47:46 <twbbas> (my teacher was fine with us using formulas, btw... it was just a pain to store them as a program)
Jul 23 17:47:53 <zomg> Why wouldn't it count? :P
Jul 23 17:47:55 <webOSNewbie> Lucky
Jul 23 17:47:58 <twbbas> we had to store them on our calculator in order to use them
Jul 23 17:47:59 <webOSNewbie> I had to memorize
Jul 23 17:48:04 <twbbas> no notecards
Jul 23 17:48:12 <webOSNewbie> PHP is scripting, not programming
Jul 23 17:48:26 <twbbas> I'd call PHP programming
Jul 23 17:48:33 <webOSNewbie> Oh well
Jul 23 17:48:35 <zomg> Scripting? Then is webOS =)
Jul 23 17:48:38 <dkirker> it is getting there now
Jul 23 17:48:41 <zomg> as is QBasic
Jul 23 17:48:47 <zomg> since it's an interpreted language
Jul 23 17:48:52 <webOSNewbie> QBASIC was compiled
Jul 23 17:49:02 <webOSNewbie> I used FreeBASIC
Jul 23 17:49:10 <zomg> Oh that isn't qbasic then
Jul 23 17:49:19 <zomg> Not the qbasic I know of at least :D
Jul 23 17:49:25 <webOSNewbie> It's just used not as intended
Jul 23 17:49:43 <webOSNewbie> FreeBASIC is really a QuickBASIC compiler
Jul 23 17:49:49 <webOSNewbie> But it worked
Jul 23 17:50:03 <webOSNewbie> I just had to modify some code
Jul 23 17:50:19 <webOSNewbie> So I guess I did QuickBASIC, not QBASIC
Jul 23 17:50:26 <webOSNewbie> OOps
Jul 23 17:50:58 <zomg> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/QBasic_Opening_Screen.png
Jul 23 17:51:02 <zomg> That's QBasic :D
Jul 23 17:51:24 <webOSNewbie> I know
Jul 23 17:51:28 <zomg> Ok =)
Jul 23 17:51:33 <webOSNewbie> I always
Jul 23 17:51:35 <webOSNewbie> have
Jul 23 17:51:45 <webOSNewbie> I have it on PortableApps.com
Jul 23 17:51:50 <webOSNewbie> On my flash drive
Jul 23 17:56:48 <webOSNewbie> There was a thread on Ubuntu forums about somebody wondering whether he was a programmer or not
Jul 23 17:56:54 <webOSNewbie> He did HTML
Jul 23 17:58:07 <zomg> If it was just HTML then I don't think it counts
Jul 23 17:58:08 <webOSNewbie> webOS is probably programming, since it needs to be compiled into a .ipk
Jul 23 17:58:21 <webOSNewbie> It's Markup, not programming
Jul 23 17:58:26 <zomg> What defines programming in my opinion is that you actually have things like conditionals, loops, functions and stuff like that
Jul 23 17:58:48 <zomg> It doesn't really matter whether it ends up being a compiled executable or not in my opinion :)
Jul 23 17:59:01 <webOSNewbie> For me it needs to be compiled and not interpreted
Jul 23 17:59:08 <webOSNewbie> That kicks JavaScript
Jul 23 17:59:14 <webOSNewbie> Unless compiled
Jul 23 17:59:18 <webOSNewbie> In webOS
Jul 23 17:59:32 <zomg> ipk is a packaging format, it doesn't actually change the code in any way as far as I know
Jul 23 17:59:55 <webOSNewbie> oh.
Jul 23 17:59:58 <webOSNewbie> That's
Jul 23 18:00:00 <webOSNewbie> cool
Jul 23 18:00:03 <zomg> The scripting vs programming debate is a bit pointless in my opinion
Jul 23 18:00:06 <webOSNewbie> webOS scripted?
Jul 23 18:00:19 <webOSNewbie> The first OS based on  scripting.
Jul 23 18:00:19 <zomg> Especially considering that many fast scripting languages get compiled into bytecode or some intermediate format
Jul 23 18:00:21 <webOSNewbie> Cool
Jul 23 18:00:38 <webOSNewbie> What's bytecode?
Jul 23 18:00:45 <hotdp> 101110101011
Jul 23 18:00:54 <zomg> bytecode is "machine code", what the processor actually executes
Jul 23 18:00:57 <webOSNewbie> Oh.
Jul 23 18:01:06 <webOSNewbie> I know machine code
Jul 23 18:01:08 <webOSNewbie> Definition
Jul 23 18:01:22 <zomg> My Pre 2 just told me I have too many cards open
Jul 23 18:01:28 <zomg> I have very very many cards yes
Jul 23 18:01:31 <zomg> ...zero
Jul 23 18:01:34 <zomg> >_>
Jul 23 18:01:36 <webOSNewbie> How many open?
Jul 23 18:01:37 <hotdp> restart:P
Jul 23 18:01:49 <webOSNewbie> Reboot
Jul 23 18:01:52 <zomg> Yeah
Jul 23 18:01:56 <webOSNewbie> [kick out window]
Jul 23 18:01:57 <zomg> It's a bit annoying that it does this :P
Jul 23 18:02:06 <webOSNewbie> :Palm
Jul 23 18:02:24 <webOSNewbie> Why is it still Palm.com?
Jul 23 18:02:30 <webOSNewbie> It's HP branded
Jul 23 18:02:48 <zomg> No idea
Jul 23 18:03:01 <zomg> The Pre 2 has "Palm" on the back but when it boots it says "HP"
Jul 23 18:03:19 <webOSNewbie> webOS update for Veer
Jul 23 18:03:38 <webOSNewbie> Pre 2 shipped with Palm-branded webOS
Jul 23 18:03:49 <webOSNewbie> Veer has HP
Jul 23 18:03:51 <zomg> No idea, never updated anything in mine :)
Jul 23 18:04:00 <zomg> I have 2.1.0 on it, was so out of the box
Jul 23 18:04:02 <webOSNewbie> It's automated
Jul 23 18:04:30 <zomg> I don't think it had any time to do automatic updates because on the very first boot it said HP
Jul 23 18:04:43 <webOSNewbie> Oh.
Jul 23 18:04:51 <webOSNewbie> Where'd you get it?
Jul 23 18:05:00 <zomg> I suspect it's just a newer model so they've installed the newer software to it in the factory
Jul 23 18:05:12 <zomg> From a seller in UK
Jul 23 18:05:20 <zomg> Brand new boxed
Jul 23 18:05:26 <webOSNewbie> They probably did it for you
Jul 23 18:05:32 <zomg> Nah it wasn't opened
Jul 23 18:05:39 <webOSNewbie> Factory
Jul 23 18:05:42 <webOSNewbie> Like you said
Jul 23 18:05:46 <zomg> Yep, most likely
Jul 23 18:05:57 <webOSNewbie> I wish I had one
Jul 23 18:06:03 <webOSNewbie> My dad just got one
Jul 23 18:06:07 <webOSNewbie> He works for HP
Jul 23 18:06:17 <webOSNewbie> But got a hand-me-down lame phone
Jul 23 18:06:21 <zomg> Heh
Jul 23 18:06:22 <webOSNewbie> With Sprint
Jul 23 18:06:32 <zomg> You in the US then?
Jul 23 18:06:33 <webOSNewbie> In our area,m it drops calls with five bars
Jul 23 18:06:40 <webOSNewbie> Colorado
Jul 23 18:06:53 <zomg> I heard they have Pre 2's on ebay for 150-200 USD
Jul 23 18:07:01 <zomg> or something around that anyway
Jul 23 18:07:01 <webOSNewbie> Let me finish
Jul 23 18:07:17 <webOSNewbie> They had a promo to upgrade all non-Pre service
Jul 23 18:07:30 <webOSNewbie> (most employees had them)
Jul 23 18:07:35 <webOSNewbie> But he was too late
Jul 23 18:07:40 <webOSNewbie> He called his boss
Jul 23 18:07:44 <webOSNewbie> Then it dropped
Jul 23 18:07:47 <webOSNewbie> the call
Jul 23 18:07:59 <webOSNewbie> So his boss ordered an AT&T one
Jul 23 18:08:08 <webOSNewbie> He got the phone a few days ago
Jul 23 18:08:12 <webOSNewbie> Won't open the box
Jul 23 18:08:22 <webOSNewbie> He dopesn't have the SIM card yet
Jul 23 18:08:26 <webOSNewbie> It's sad.
Jul 23 18:08:30 <webOSNewbie> I'm done
Jul 23 18:08:42 <zomg> Well since you have bday coming you oughta ask for 200 dollars so you can buy one off ebay ;)
Jul 23 18:08:56 <webOSNewbie> I wish that could happen
Jul 23 18:09:00 <zomg> Hehe
Jul 23 18:09:22 <webOSNewbie> All I know I'm getting is a PayPal Student Account
Jul 23 18:09:47 <zomg> Seems... uh... useful? :P
Jul 23 18:10:00 <webOSNewbie> I need it for payment
Jul 23 18:10:08 <webOSNewbie> For webOS
Jul 23 18:10:12 <zomg> Ah
Jul 23 18:10:38 <zomg> I need some silly IRS papers because I'm not a US resident :x
Jul 23 18:10:49 <hotdp> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2096168/hp-touchpad-review
Jul 23 18:10:52 <webOSNewbie> I know
Jul 23 18:10:53 <zomg> At least they told me I don't need to apply for a US tax ID
Jul 23 18:11:01 <zomg> so that makes it a lot easier hopefully
Jul 23 18:11:02 <webOSNewbie> I have SSN
Jul 23 18:12:14 <webOSNewbie> I'm just learning webOS
Jul 23 18:12:31 <webOSNewbie> Not even completed "First App" tutorial
Jul 23 18:13:01 <zomg> Oh wtf... This sqlite support in webOS is totally fucked...
Jul 23 18:13:08 <zomg> Supposedly it can take a database version number
Jul 23 18:13:14 <zomg> but all it actually accepts is just '1'
Jul 23 18:13:19 <zomg> Anything else and it explodes
Jul 23 18:13:21 <zomg> How fun
Jul 23 18:13:31 <webOSNewbie> I'm only twelve you know
Jul 23 18:13:33 <webOSNewbie> No language\
Jul 23 18:13:42 <zomg> I'm sure you know "fuck" already ;)
Jul 23 18:13:53 <webOSNewbie> Um...
Jul 23 18:13:55 <webOSNewbie> No
Jul 23 18:14:17 <zomg> If you're not kidding then for a US kid you sure have been sheltered :P
Jul 23 18:14:34 <webOSNewbie> Yeah.
Jul 23 18:14:43 <webOSNewbie> Social misfit
Jul 23 18:14:45 <zomg> Guess I shall refrain to only curse in finnish then =)
Jul 23 18:14:59 <webOSNewbie> Or in head
Jul 23 18:15:06 <webOSNewbie> Or at your house
Jul 23 18:15:41 <zomg> Well nobody will have any idea what I'm saying if it's in finnish so it doesn't matter
Jul 23 18:15:45 <webOSNewbie> I wish the emulator was faster
Jul 23 18:15:53 <zomg> I could say "pink ponies" and people might think I'm cursing
Jul 23 18:16:14 <webOSNewbie> Ignorant people
Jul 23 18:16:33 <zomg> Well I don't think understanding finnish is a particularily common requirement for being non-ignorant
Jul 23 18:16:48 <webOSNewbie> Just jumping to conclusions
Jul 23 18:16:52 <zomg> Hehe
Jul 23 18:17:02 <webOSNewbie> Like Japanes and Chinese
Jul 23 18:17:09 <webOSNewbie> I'm half Chinese
Jul 23 18:17:33 <zomg> I speak japanese somewhat
Jul 23 18:17:44 <webOSNewbie> I do karate, so I know some
Jul 23 18:17:51 <webOSNewbie> Mostly attacks
Jul 23 18:17:58 <zomg> Hadouken? =)
Jul 23 18:17:59 <webOSNewbie> Like strike, punch, and knee
Jul 23 18:18:04 <webOSNewbie> hehe
Jul 23 18:18:41 <webOSNewbie> My screen is only 1024x768
Jul 23 18:18:52 <webOSNewbie> I need to go while I run emulator
Jul 23 18:18:58 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back
Jul 23 18:24:09 <twbbas> omg my TouchPad just scared me again >.> The loud noise when it gets to 100% charge is freaky
Jul 23 18:25:13 <zomg> That's actually a thing in a lot of mobile phones
Jul 23 18:25:21 <zomg> The sounds are really sort of.. distracting
Jul 23 18:25:54 <zomg> Like ringtones, the alarm tone, they're often loud and sort of "edgy" and not very nice sounding
Jul 23 18:26:16 <zomg> Nokia actually had proper sound design on their devices. Didn't have that problem
Jul 23 18:27:00 <twbbas> well it's mainly that I was not expecting sound from my TP
Jul 23 18:27:07 <twbbas> I don't have any ringers or anything
Jul 23 18:27:12 <haeffb> zomg: I have used numbers other than 1
Jul 23 18:27:21 <zomg> haeffb: yeah I figured it out
Jul 23 18:27:35 <zomg> It's in the spec.. if the DB exists, but with a different version than you try to use it, bam.
Jul 23 18:27:50 <zomg> twbbas: Although if it wasn't such a loud jumpy sound it wouldn't have made you do that
Jul 23 18:28:12 <haeffb> you can open db without version, then check the version number
Jul 23 18:28:27 <zomg> Yeah that's probably what I'll do
Jul 23 18:30:10 <webOSNewbie> Cool
Jul 23 18:49:23 <webOSNewbie> Cool
Jul 23 18:49:34 <webOSNewbie> WOw
Jul 23 18:49:37 <webOSNewbie> Nothing,
Jul 23 18:58:52 <webOSNewbie> Anyone home?
Jul 23 18:59:14 <zomg> Possibly
Jul 23 19:00:01 <webOSNewbie> dOES ANYONE HERE USE THE OTHER vmdkS for emulator
Jul 23 19:00:23 <zomg> I'm using the nova-cust-image-sdk2120
Jul 23 19:00:35 <zomg> Or the Pre image or whatever you'd call it
Jul 23 19:00:41 <webOSNewbie> I'm trying 117
Jul 23 19:05:58 <twbbas> What am I doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/Fv9fXU0Y
Jul 23 19:16:16 <fxspec06> this.$[com] is not defined
Jul 23 19:16:39 <fxspec06> this.$.[com].createComponent(...
Jul 23 19:23:33 <twbbas> fxspec06: That isn't right. When using a variable you're supposed to do this.$[com]
Jul 23 19:23:45 <twbbas> When I do that, I get this error: "
Jul 23 19:23:52 <twbbas> "Syntax Error: unexpected identifier"
Jul 23 19:24:35 <fxspec06> oh hmm well then
Jul 23 19:25:29 <fxspec06> try using a name other than Stage1
Jul 23 19:26:43 <fxspec06> maybe it's conflicting with something else.
Jul 23 19:26:52 <fxspec06> also try using a different name for "pane"
Jul 23 19:28:37 <webOSNewbie> Hi
Jul 23 19:28:40 <fxspec06> that error is telling me that it's looking for 'createComponent' somewhere it shouldn't be
Jul 23 19:28:41 <webOSNewbie> Had to reboot
Jul 23 19:28:49 <fxspec06> hi Newb
Jul 23 19:29:33 <webOSNewbie> I'm 12, so I thought it was appropriate
Jul 23 19:29:40 <fxspec06> mayb someone w/ some enyo knowledge can chime in (haeffb)
Jul 23 19:29:57 <fxspec06> sweet! i'm the opposite plus one
Jul 23 19:30:02 <webOSNewbie> All I know is that it runs on TouchPad
Jul 23 19:30:11 <fxspec06> and i need food so BRB
Jul 23 19:43:15 <zylogz80> do you have to do anything special to get a webview to show a file that is in the ipk rather than on the web?  for example I have an html file called welcome.html in an html directory in my app. I've tried pointing the webview to ../html/welcome.html html/welcome.html etc - can't it doesn't display it
Jul 23 19:48:05 <webOSNewbie> You could host it
Jul 23 19:50:47 <zylogz80> whateveryournameis, yes I was hoping to avoid a trip out to a remote server for what essentially amounts to a welcome screen
Jul 23 19:51:08 <webOSNewbie> Sorry for the name change
Jul 23 19:51:15 <zylogz80> webOSNewbie, :)
Jul 23 19:51:19 <webOSNewbie> I do think the webView should work
Jul 23 19:51:26 <zylogz80> me too
Jul 23 19:51:46 <zylogz80> but at this point I've tried every iteration of a path to the local file I can think of
Jul 23 19:52:09 <dwc-> you could take a look at how universe does it
Jul 23 19:52:15 <webOSNewbie> I might make a dummy app in Ares with a webView widget
Jul 23 19:52:20 <webOSNewbie> Going to the page
Jul 23 19:52:21 <zylogz80> file://html/welcome.html file:///html/welcome.html ../html/welcome.html /html/welcome.html html/welcome.html
Jul 23 19:52:26 <zylogz80> dwc-, universe?
Jul 23 19:52:35 <webOSNewbie> Just see what path it uses
Jul 23 19:53:23 <zylogz80> I've tried all of the paths above and none of them worked
Jul 23 19:53:26 * zylogz80 keeps trying
Jul 23 19:53:40 <webOSNewbie> How do you test it?
Jul 23 19:54:12 <zylogz80> webOSNewbie, just by running the app. it's been loading a place holder website on launch forever - I want it to load a local welcome html file
Jul 23 19:54:14 <dwc-> http://www.openmobl.com/universe/
Jul 23 19:54:18 * zylogz80 looks
Jul 23 19:54:30 <webOSNewbie> No, do you use emulator or device?
Jul 23 19:54:59 <zylogz80> webOSNewbie, device
Jul 23 19:56:05 <webOSNewbie> Do you delete and reinstall each time?
Jul 23 19:56:32 <webOSNewbie> Otherwise it might not change code
Jul 23 19:56:34 <zylogz80> webOSNewbie, yes - and I've pulled open the ipk and verified the file makes it into the ipk
Jul 23 19:56:58 <webOSNewbie> Hmm...
Jul 23 19:57:05 * zylogz80 thinks that if it loads quickly from the web it may not be so bad as it would allow him to change the welcome message from time to time without an app update
Jul 23 19:58:55 <dwc->         this.loadingURL = Mojo.appPath + "html/" + this.getSupportedLanguage() + "/" + file;
Jul 23 19:59:07 <dwc->     this.addressBar.setURL(this.loadingURL);
Jul 23 19:59:16 <zylogz80> sorry - should have specified - enyo
Jul 23 19:59:25 <dwc->     this.webView.mojo.openURL(this.loadingURL);
Jul 23 19:59:39 <dwc-> well, maybe there's an analogue to mojo.apppath
Jul 23 20:00:21 <zylogz80> dwc-, good thinking - I'll look into it. thanks.
Jul 23 20:01:34 <webOSNewbie> Who's the channel operator?
Jul 23 20:03:01 <dwc-> dkirker, cdm, geist, lemketron, rwhitby, adora, chuqui
Jul 23 20:03:28 <dwc-> and the always-watching chanserv
Jul 23 20:03:33 <webOSNewbie> How did they get the honors?
Jul 23 20:04:34 <dwc-> I suspect the initial ones chose the remainder
Jul 23 20:04:54 <webOSNewbie> How did the originals come?
Jul 23 20:05:02 <webOSNewbie> Go to go
Jul 23 20:05:37 <dwc-> /join #webos?
Jul 23 20:05:48 * dwc- doesn't know how else :p
Jul 23 20:06:52 <webOSNewbie> They were the lucky first?
Jul 23 20:07:06 <twbbas> They rose up and defeated the evil green robots and red fruits to claim victory
Jul 23 20:07:13 <webOSNewbie> Umm...
Jul 23 20:07:39 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 23 20:07:40 <twbbas> (It's more exciting than them just being Palm employees)
Jul 23 20:07:46 <webOSNewbie> Oh.
Jul 23 20:09:20 <dwc-> well, from the looks of it, the first wasn't even a contractor at the time
Jul 23 20:09:31 <dwc-> (or maybe he was)
Jul 23 20:09:37 <webOSNewbie> I wouldn't know
Jul 23 20:09:55 <webOSNewbie> I found out about webOS by trying to find the SDK for Palm OS
Jul 23 20:09:59 <twbbas> dwc-: Do you know much about enyo?
Jul 23 20:10:19 <dwc-> zilch
Jul 23 20:10:23 <twbbas> :(
Jul 23 20:10:54 <twbbas> I don't know what I'm doing wrong: http://pastebin.com/Fv9fXU0Y
Jul 23 20:10:55 <webOSNewbie> Neither do I
Jul 23 20:11:54 <webOSNewbie> Mom yelled at me for being on the computer
Jul 23 20:11:59 <zylogz80> twbbas, what's it doing? or not doing?
Jul 23 20:11:59 <webOSNewbie> Got to go
Jul 23 20:12:15 <zylogz80> oh I see
Jul 23 20:12:19 <twbbas> :)
Jul 23 20:12:28 <zylogz80> this.$[com].createComponent
Jul 23 20:12:32 <zylogz80> that should just be
Jul 23 20:12:38 <zylogz80> this.$.createComponent
Jul 23 20:12:44 <zylogz80> this.$.createComponent(arg, arg);
Jul 23 20:13:01 <twbbas> I want to create it as a component of whatever is in the variable com
Jul 23 20:13:16 <twbbas> this.$.createComponent just creates it as a component of "this"
Jul 23 20:13:20 <zylogz80> oh - I haven't seen anything like that in enyo
Jul 23 20:13:29 <twbbas> I've used it before so I know that style works
Jul 23 20:13:34 <twbbas> I just don't know what I'm doing wrong this time
Jul 23 20:13:46 <zylogz80> yeah I haven't used anything like that in my code
Jul 23 20:13:48 <zylogz80> couldn't tell you
Jul 23 20:14:30 <twbbas> thanks, anyways
Jul 23 20:28:31 <haeffb> twbbas: you can set an owner on a created component
Jul 23 20:29:37 <haeffb> this.createComponent({name: "another"}, {owner: other});
Jul 23 20:29:57 <twbbas> hmm I hadn't thought of that, thanks
Jul 23 20:30:16 <haeffb> not sure how it works in practice, but...
Jul 23 20:31:11 <twbbas> if I create a component with owner: "Stage1", all the components of that component will be under "Stage1" as well, right?
Jul 23 20:32:02 <haeffb> got to dual boot to windows to do some kindle stuff....bbl
Jul 23 20:32:36 <twbbas> man what's going on, when I do this.$.createComponent(....), I get this error now: Uncaught TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'createComponent
Jul 23 20:32:45 <twbbas> oh wait
Jul 23 20:33:11 <twbbas> nvm
Jul 23 20:44:07 <zomg> Damnit Chrome, stop on my breakpoints ffs :|
Jul 23 21:18:35 <twbbas> haeffb: I tried using owner: "Stage1" but it said that Stage1 didn't have like "addComponent" or something like that.
Jul 23 21:18:52 <twbbas> I feel like something's wrong with the way I set up the panes but I just don't see it
Jul 23 21:23:14 <haeffb> this.$.header.createComponents([{name: "moreInfo"}]);
Jul 23 21:23:49 <haeffb> so, you can create a component owned by another component, but use createComponents rather than createComponent
Jul 23 21:24:41 <haeffb> look in the docs for Advanced Topics under Developing Enyo Apps
Jul 23 21:24:53 <haeffb> twbbas: ^^^^^^^
Jul 23 21:26:28 <twbbas> "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'createComponents' of undefined"
Jul 23 21:26:29 <twbbas> :(
Jul 23 21:27:02 <twbbas> haeffb: ^^ ;)
Jul 23 21:28:02 <haeffb> does this.$.Stage1.createComponent work?
Jul 23 21:28:06 <twbbas> No
Jul 23 21:28:27 <twbbas> says can't create component of undefined
Jul 23 21:28:30 <haeffb> what if you change Stage1 & 2 to kind: "Component"
Jul 23 21:29:00 <twbbas> same error
Jul 23 21:29:26 <haeffb> yeah, shouldn't matter
Jul 23 21:29:44 <twbbas> I threw up a post on the forums about it and have only had 1 response so far
Jul 23 21:30:04 <twbbas> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16709&p=84055#p84055
Jul 23 21:32:23 <haeffb> this.$.pane.createComponent... ?
Jul 23 21:33:08 <twbbas> same undefined error
Jul 23 21:33:16 <twbbas> I feel like it's such a small thing that I'm missing
Jul 23 21:33:25 <twbbas> and I'm gonna feel REALLY stupid when I realize what it is
Jul 23 21:33:37 <twbbas> Been trying to figure this out all day
Jul 23 21:40:16 <haeffb> I'm no help, don't see anything obviously wrong
Jul 23 21:41:08 <haeffb> anyone here have netflix streaming...? I can't get Iron Man 2 to play.
Jul 23 21:41:39 <akanster> lemme try it
Jul 23 21:43:21 <akanster> that's wierd
Jul 23 21:44:19 <akanster> haeffb: audio comes through ok, video is just a green horizontal static bar across the screen
Jul 23 21:45:16 <haeffb> it won't even load for me, on a vizio blu-ray player
Jul 23 21:45:25 <akanster> xbox 360 here
Jul 23 21:45:29 <haeffb> other movies play fine
Jul 23 21:46:23 <akanster> yeah you broke Netflix!
Jul 23 21:46:46 <haeffb> and if they don't send me $1M, I'll do it again.
Jul 23 21:47:12 <haeffb> or at least free movies for life
Jul 23 21:47:40 <PatrickC> Sprint practically offered me  JOB!!!
Jul 23 21:47:53 <haeffb> testing the new Pre3 ?
Jul 23 21:48:01 <PatrickC> no, at a store
Jul 23 21:48:01 <akanster> you can take "practically" to the bank!
Jul 23 21:48:06 <PatrickC> that they will be opening
Jul 23 21:48:16 <PatrickC> they said that if they *can* hire me they will
Jul 23 21:48:21 <PatrickC> they need to check the age
Jul 23 21:48:29 <akanster> that's good
Jul 23 21:48:36 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 23 21:48:46 <PatrickC> at 15.. working for sprint.. :D
Jul 23 21:48:48 <twbbas> Congratulations, PatrickC
Jul 23 21:48:55 <twbbas> A great opportunity
Jul 23 21:48:59 <PatrickC> twbbas: thanks
Jul 23 21:49:00 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 23 21:49:08 <twbbas> Now get us some inside info on the Pre 3
Jul 23 21:49:10 <PatrickC> I'll be testing the webos slate phone
Jul 23 21:49:13 <twbbas> or that
Jul 23 21:49:22 <PatrickC> oops... shouldn't have said that...
Jul 23 21:49:24 <PatrickC> :P
Jul 23 21:49:53 <PatrickC> one of the techs said "He knows more then me"
Jul 23 21:50:02 <twbbas> nice
Jul 23 21:50:09 <twbbas> about webOS-only or about other phones too?
Jul 23 21:52:38 <twbbas> I want an internship at Palm lol
Jul 23 21:59:01 <PatrickC> idk
Jul 23 21:59:08 <PatrickC> oh.  wait
Jul 23 21:59:10 <PatrickC> all phones :P
Jul 23 21:59:57 <PatrickC> twbbas: I do too.. but I'll settle for sprint ;)
Jul 23 22:04:15 <PatrickC> fxspec06: ping!!
Jul 23 22:06:23 <dwc-> oops, "practically" violated his nda already. that's practically fired
Jul 23 22:06:29 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 23 22:06:36 <PatrickC> never was hired (yet) :)
Jul 23 22:07:04 <PatrickC> the person just said she'll talk with her boss and see if they can hire at 15
Jul 23 22:07:13 <PatrickC> and if they /can/ they will
Jul 23 22:08:09 <dwc-> man, haven't had to think about the child labor laws in awhile
Jul 23 22:08:18 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 23 22:08:19 * dwc- vaguely recalls a work permit of some sort
Jul 23 22:08:29 <PatrickC> in the summer, I can work 40 hrs a week
Jul 23 22:09:20 <twbbas> PatrickC: When Dan Hesse interviews you, ask him about the Pre 3. kthx
Jul 23 22:09:34 <PatrickC> lol ok
Jul 23 22:09:44 * PatrickC wonders who Dan Hesse is..
Jul 23 22:09:50 <twbbas> :O
Jul 23 22:10:02 <twbbas> You're gonna work for Sprint and don't know who Dan Hesse is?!?!
Jul 23 22:10:25 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 23 22:10:33 <PatrickC> I didn't even apply for the job
Jul 23 22:10:42 <PatrickC> they asked me if I was interested xD
Jul 23 22:11:01 <dwc-> yea, you can tell the customers all about the phones they won't be selling?
Jul 23 22:11:27 <twbbas> "Only Sprint gives you true unlimited calling, texting, and data. Why limit yourself?"
Jul 23 22:11:29 <twbbas> ring any bells, PatrickC?
Jul 23 22:12:04 <dwc-> he's so young, was he born then? :D
Jul 23 22:13:37 <PatrickC> haha
Jul 23 22:13:43 <PatrickC> twbbas: never heard of him
Jul 23 22:13:51 <PatrickC> oh, is he dan@sprint.com ?
Jul 23 22:14:39 <twbbas> Yup, and CEO
Jul 23 22:14:49 <PatrickC> ooo
Jul 23 22:14:51 <twbbas> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlkT7gRM0xo
Jul 23 22:15:00 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 23 22:15:12 * PatrickC sets up a meeting
Jul 23 22:15:51 <PatrickC> ok. just got off the phone w/ corporate. meeting tomorrow @ 1PM
Jul 23 22:20:31 <PatrickC> the veer is SOOOOOOOOO tiny!!!!
Jul 23 22:20:50 <twbbas> yeah man
Jul 23 22:20:56 <twbbas> I went to best buy a few weeks ago
Jul 23 22:20:59 <twbbas> a lot smaller than I expected
Jul 23 22:21:15 <PatrickC> yeah same here
Jul 23 22:21:20 <PatrickC> it was super small
Jul 23 22:21:48 <PatrickC> my bust buy had 2 touchpads on display
Jul 23 22:21:51 <PatrickC> and 3 veer displays
Jul 23 22:26:14 * halfhalo laughs at sprint
Jul 23 22:26:24 <PatrickC> why?
Jul 23 22:26:41 <halfhalo> oh so many reasons
Jul 23 22:28:12 <twbbas> I'll laugh once they let me buy a Pre 3
Jul 23 22:28:21 <twbbas> I can't exactly switch to Verizon or AT&T
Jul 23 22:53:18 <twbbas> I think I convinced my friend over skype that his iPad 2 isn't as good as the TouchPad
Jul 23 22:53:28 <twbbas> I think he's going to go out and buy a touchpad soon
Jul 23 22:53:47 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone have a good example of how to use the dbservice
Jul 23 22:53:55 <twbbas> he may get the 4G version though
Jul 23 22:54:04 <PuffTheMagic> besides what is on the palm/enyo site
Jul 23 22:54:11 <zylogz80> twbbas, haven't you read the blogs? the first rule of being a webOS user is you must put the touchpad down at all times :P
Jul 23 22:54:33 <twbbas> lolol
Jul 23 22:54:46 <twbbas> I showed him the advantages of the touchpad over the ipad 2
Jul 23 22:54:50 <twbbas> also, disadvantages
Jul 23 22:54:51 <zylogz80> PuffTheMagic, I was never able to get dbservice working well - I ended up using a cookie to store persistent data; but my data needs are very light, a few fields.
Jul 23 22:55:13 <twbbas> zylogz80: There's a nasty bug in 3.0 right now that deletes cookies when the user restarts their device
Jul 23 22:55:22 <twbbas> It will hopefully be fixed with the OTA
Jul 23 22:56:12 <zylogz80> twbbas, I don't think it's cookies, I think it is localdbs and I think they only get deleted if you delete an app. My app uses cookies for persistant storage and I've rebooted it dozens of times with no data loss.
Jul 23 22:56:37 <zylogz80> https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=82172
Jul 23 22:56:45 <zylogz80> yeah I think it is SQLLite databases, not cookies
Jul 23 22:57:23 * zylogz80 is sure the OTA will be out before his app either way
Jul 23 22:58:21 <twbbas> zylogz80: there's another bug involving cookies
Jul 23 22:58:26 <twbbas> it affects my app
Jul 23 22:58:38 <twbbas> I notified unwiredben about it and he said he was working on it
Jul 23 22:59:24 <zylogz80> weird, I've definitely never lost my app cookies post reboot
Jul 23 22:59:36 <zylogz80> It must have some other context dependency
Jul 23 22:59:36 <twbbas> it happens every reboot for my app
Jul 23 22:59:42 <twbbas> I'm not storing the cookies any weird way
Jul 23 22:59:43 <PuffTheMagic> zylogz80: im using a cookie now but i have a feeling my app could exceed the 5 or 10 mb limit
Jul 23 23:00:09 <zylogz80> PuffTheMagic, ah - yeah if you need to store more than a few basic structs/arrays/whatever then you'll want a db
Jul 23 23:00:19 <zylogz80> PuffTheMagic, I'm only storing maybe 5 variables so cookie wfm
Jul 23 23:00:23 <PuffTheMagic> yup ;)
Jul 23 23:02:11 <twbbas> Anyone know why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/Fv9fXU0Y
Jul 23 23:10:44 <zylogz80> anyone know how to scroll back to the top of a enyo.VirtualList? Looking in the API guide VirtualList doesn't appear to inherit from Scroller or BasicScroller and doesn't inherit any of the methods like scrollTo
Jul 23 23:11:30 <zylogz80> but afaict VirtualList *contains* a scroller - however trying like this.$.myVirtualScroller.$.scoller.scrollTo(0,0); didn't work
Jul 23 23:12:56 <rwatkins> zylogz80: its either punt() or reset() - I dont recall
Jul 23 23:13:07 <zylogz80> rwatkins, I'll give em both a shot. thanks!
Jul 23 23:13:29 <rwatkins> because the list is virtual, you can just scroll it - the top items have likely been removed
Jul 23 23:14:42 <zylogz80> rwatkins++
Jul 23 23:14:47 <zylogz80> rwatkins, it was the punt method
Jul 23 23:14:49 <zylogz80> thanks
Jul 23 23:14:55 <zylogz80> that's been driving me **nuts**
Jul 23 23:18:45 <rwhitby> morning
Jul 23 23:19:40 <PuffTheMagic> so can anyone point me to an example of creating db tables/records
Jul 23 23:19:41 <PuffTheMagic> the dev site just shows how to do a request
Jul 23 23:21:01 <rwatkins> PuffTheMagic: its fairly standard websql - you dont need palm docs for that.
Jul 23 23:21:24 <PuffTheMagic> i've done 0 *sql*
Jul 23 23:21:25 <rwatkins> or abandon doing it directly and use something like LawnChair or persistence.js to abstract all that nonsense.
Jul 23 23:21:57 <rwatkins> So .. look at one of many websql intros on the web - its not palm specific for 99.8% of it.
Jul 23 23:23:30 <rwatkins> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/ http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/
Jul 23 23:23:44 <rwatkins> http://diveintohtml5.org/storage.html#future
Jul 23 23:24:33 <rwatkins> http://html5doctor.com/introducing-web-sql-databases/
Jul 23 23:24:40 <rwatkins> and on and on .. google.
Jul 23 23:35:30 <zylogz80> hmmm.... so enyo.Menu seems a little tricky. If you, say, have a button in a toolbar you want to open a menu you use the onclick of the button to open the menu. that's no problem. but how do you position the menu over the button? the only way I can think of to do it is with really hackish setStyle() on the menu and that may not even work right if the button that opens the menu is in a toolbar in a sliding pane
Jul 23 23:37:21 <rwatkins> zylogz80: openAtControl() or openAtEvent() depending on what your trying to accomplish
Jul 23 23:37:46 * zylogz80 looks into those
Jul 23 23:38:04 <rwatkins> see docs for enyo.Popup
Jul 23 23:38:10 <zylogz80> oh that is from popup and menu inherits from popup
Jul 23 23:38:15 <zylogz80> duh - should have looked at that
Jul 23 23:38:25 <zylogz80> rwatkins-afk, thanks
Jul 23 23:53:35 <zylogz80> rwatkins-afk, thanks
Jul 23 23:53:49 <zylogz80> oops, pressed-up-in-the-wrong-window-fail
Jul 24 00:00:52 <PuffTheMagic> do i need to put something special in my appinfo to use db8 service?
Jul 24 00:10:26 <zylogz80> is ApplicationManager available in enyo? The examples here appear to be Mojo https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/application-manager.html
Jul 24 00:11:39 <fxspec06> rawr i'm so bored -.-
Jul 24 00:11:45 <rwatkins> zylogz80: yes, the same services are there in enyo.
Jul 24 00:12:03 <fxspec06> from what i understand all service requests in mojo are available in enyo.
Jul 24 00:12:19 <fxspec06> otherwise it would not be 100% backwards compatibility
Jul 24 00:12:32 <zylogz80> thanks
Jul 24 00:12:37 <zylogz80> this is what I need to do https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/application-apis/email.html
Jul 24 00:12:48 <zylogz80> but having never touched Mojo it looks completely foreign to me
Jul 24 00:13:10 <fxspec06> i can pull up my example in mojo
Jul 24 00:13:12 <rwatkins> its all javascript, so they're just different wrappers for the same things exposed to the webkit window.
Jul 24 00:13:13 <zylogz80> oh - wait
Jul 24 00:13:22 <zylogz80> further down they have an example that looks like enyo
Jul 24 00:13:25 <zylogz80> I think I can use that
Jul 24 00:14:12 <zylogz80> "Enyo example using "mailto"" yup - kickass
Jul 24 00:14:23 <fxspec06> http://pastebin.com/w23jgAnT
Jul 24 00:14:32 <fxspec06> there's my mojo example in case it helps at all lol.
Jul 24 00:15:02 <zylogz80> fxspec06, thanks
Jul 24 00:15:27 <fxspec06> NP =)
Jul 24 00:24:07 <zylogz80> wow. that was *really* easy to implement
Jul 24 00:24:17 <zylogz80> enyo makes me feel like such a badass some times
Jul 24 00:26:14 <fxspec06> that's because you are a badass.
Jul 24 00:26:25 <zylogz80> hahah
Jul 24 00:26:37 <fxspec06> you make chuck norris look like a midget ant
Jul 24 00:27:11 <fxspec06> lol yeah everyone says enyo is easy
Jul 24 00:28:53 * fxspec06 Chuck Norris once saved the world from nuclear disaster, and as he was walking away, he threw me his sweaty shirt and said: "zylogz80 is the biggest badass I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot of badasses."
Jul 24 00:29:17 <zylogz80> so far it has been pretty darn easy. I started the day I got my touchpad and this I'm pretty close to done with an app that is much better than I ever thought I could write
Jul 24 00:29:27 <zylogz80> I couldn't even get past hello world on iOS and Android
Jul 24 00:29:55 <fxspec06> that's cool. hopefully i'll have a TP by first week of september
Jul 24 00:30:10 <zylogz80> fxspec06, thing is awesome. you'll love it.
Jul 24 00:30:41 <fxspec06> i know. waiting may have its advantages though. that 1.5ghz 64gb one looks MIGHTY tasty to me
Jul 24 00:30:43 * fxspec06 drools
Jul 24 00:34:18 <haeffb> webOS is badass until you push up against the limits
Jul 24 00:34:49 * zylogz80 hasn't hit any limits yet
Jul 24 00:35:09 * fxspec06 has hit a couple
Jul 24 00:35:17 <zylogz80> but I'm just writing an interface for a web service -
Jul 24 00:35:55 <rwatkins> that described most of the apps out there
Jul 24 00:35:57 <zylogz80> I couldn't do PDK or hybrid development
Jul 24 00:36:28 <fxspec06> rwatkins: lol
Jul 24 00:37:03 <rwatkins> what i really love are the apps that use some api to a content feed - but dont bother caching the content
Jul 24 00:37:56 <rwatkins> like i really need another UI to some newspaper or forum that just loads each request on demand.
Jul 24 00:38:03 <rwatkins> woo
Jul 24 00:38:31 <haeffb> rwatkins: are you using a service in papermache?
Jul 24 00:38:48 <rwatkins> haeffb: ya, Instapaper provides an API.
Jul 24 00:38:59 <haeffb> no, i mean a node.js service in webos
Jul 24 00:39:03 <rwatkins> ah, no.
Jul 24 00:39:52 <rwatkins> would like to write some node, but no need for it yet, and would really rather it be updated to atleast v0.4+
Jul 24 00:44:09 <rwatkins> are synergy connectors implemented in node?  IE the api calls to the remote service - native code or something like node?
Jul 24 00:50:01 <fxspec06> http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/60-days-in-webos-land-an-android-users-perspective-20110722/
Jul 24 00:51:53 <zylogz80> hmmm - sending an email was easy but sending a message is harder. I can get it to open the messaging app but I can't get it to create a pre-populated message
Jul 24 00:52:02 <zylogz80> can anyone see what I may be missing here? http://pastebin.com/f8AaAeFa
Jul 24 00:52:21 <zylogz80> the messaging app opens but it doesn't create a pre-populated message; email on the other hand works perfectly
Jul 24 00:52:32 <zylogz80> I am referencing this https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/application-apis/messaging.html
Jul 24 00:52:36 <zylogz80> but it has no enyo example
Jul 24 00:52:44 <rwatkins> zylogz80: the params changed with enyo - search the forums. unwiredben commented on it
Jul 24 00:53:04 <zylogz80> rwatkins, awesome thanks
Jul 24 00:53:31 <rwatkins> unfortunately it may be in the private forums during hte NDA period.
Jul 24 00:55:07 <zylogz80> hmm
Jul 24 00:56:04 <zylogz80> alright have to go out and be around people. not nearly as fun as code.
Jul 24 00:56:06 <zylogz80> realLife--
Jul 24 01:04:01 <twbbas> http://t.co/uQvOiI0
Jul 24 01:04:05 <twbbas> Android user trys webOS
Jul 24 01:04:10 <twbbas> tries*
Jul 24 01:08:23 * fxspec06 just found the *downloads* tab in 'my apps'
Jul 24 01:19:36 <halfhalo> lol
Jul 24 01:21:12 <fxspec06> well the downloads number under published apps doesn't reflect the downloads drop down box when you click on the app name itself
Jul 24 01:21:42 <twbbas> download counts are messed up on the portal
Jul 24 01:22:17 <fxspec06> i have 19 total downloads in 3 days in the catalog, which is 16 fresh installs. in the 'my apps' homepage it shows 0. which i KNOW is incorrect.
Jul 24 01:22:35 <twbbas> well sometimes it takes a few days for the sales numbers to come through
Jul 24 01:22:39 <twbbas> for credit card processing reasons
Jul 24 01:22:48 <fxspec06> yeah that's what i'm understanding
Jul 24 01:22:54 <twbbas> so the sales # will be different from the downloads #
Jul 24 01:23:42 <fxspec06> i just looked at my -beta- that has been suspended for at least a week, right
Jul 24 01:24:00 <fxspec06> the downloads have been like 16+ every day for the last week
Jul 24 01:24:07 <fxspec06> and it's unavailable to download.
Jul 24 01:24:15 <twbbas> they are messed up
Jul 24 01:24:32 <haeffb> not only that, but also, they are messed up
Jul 24 01:24:34 <fxspec06> no kidding!
Jul 24 01:24:40 <rwatkins> only for paid apps, or also for free apps?
Jul 24 01:24:50 <twbbas> I think only for paid
Jul 24 01:24:59 <haeffb> not sure, but paid apps are currently completely unreliable
Jul 24 01:25:04 <haeffb> if not downright lazy
Jul 24 01:25:20 <fxspec06> that's for the free beta. i have no idea how close my paid app stats are.
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