**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 27 02:59:57 2011 Jul 27 03:06:05 BACK!! Jul 27 03:07:28 webOSNewbie: what's the app? Jul 27 03:07:39 what app? Jul 27 03:07:51 whatever you are working on Jul 27 03:08:00 I'm just learning Jul 27 03:08:07 and turning webpages to Mojo Jul 27 03:08:35 how's it comin? Jul 27 03:08:41 Great Jul 27 03:08:48 Just my Mom yells at me Jul 27 03:09:01 haha Jul 27 03:09:15 * PatrickC is 15.. he knows all about that Jul 27 03:10:02 * webOSNewbie loves TrackMania Sunrise Jul 27 03:10:25 huh? Jul 27 03:10:45 nm Jul 27 03:10:48 googled Jul 27 03:11:12 I got it for 5 bucks at a Scholastic Book Fair Jul 27 03:11:42 Now they have Forever Jul 27 03:11:52 free: nations paid:united Jul 27 03:12:08 So, TrackMania Nations Forever Jul 27 03:12:17 or TrackMania United Forever Jul 27 03:12:32 changed host? Jul 27 03:12:39 * PatrickC goes to finish UI Jul 27 03:12:45 and possibly add Villo Jul 27 03:14:09 Villo? Jul 27 03:14:23 http://villo.me Jul 27 03:14:58 * webOSNewbie looks it up Jul 27 03:17:10 I don't see the advantage Jul 27 03:17:41 it gives you the ability to have push chat, leader boards, profiles, etc. Jul 27 03:17:49 Oh. Jul 27 03:17:53 Cool! Jul 27 03:18:20 yeah Jul 27 03:18:46 * PatrickC thinks he found a decent host... Jul 27 03:19:15 what is it? Jul 27 03:19:28 webhost? Jul 27 03:19:37 no, what did you find Jul 27 03:20:29 oh, its a freehost Jul 27 03:20:33 7GB free.. Jul 27 03:20:50 I use 1&1 Home Jul 27 03:21:04 1000 email addresses Jul 27 03:21:06 2 domains Jul 27 03:21:13 5 ftp Jul 27 03:21:18 150gb Jul 27 03:21:21 pretty good Jul 27 03:21:26 price? Jul 27 03:21:33 I forgot Jul 27 03:21:38 6 months free Jul 27 03:21:44 6.99 month Jul 27 03:21:45 cool Jul 27 03:21:52 paid every 6 months Jul 27 03:23:34 http://tinyurl.com/3lzv2su Jul 27 03:24:22 * PatrickC prefers free Jul 27 03:24:35 oh. Jul 27 03:24:43 I like better control Jul 27 03:24:52 what's your host? Jul 27 03:25:18 http://zoka.cc Jul 27 03:25:25 I'm trying them out Jul 27 03:26:53 I would rather like unlimited monthly transfer, like I'm used to Jul 27 03:27:04 I do like 100 domains Jul 27 03:27:06 yeah Jul 27 03:27:11 are they subdomains? Jul 27 03:27:16 most people who have unlimited for free are junk Jul 27 03:27:23 yeah, I use subdomains Jul 27 03:27:27 I have 1 domain Jul 27 03:27:29 oh. Jul 27 03:27:34 I get 100 subs to Jul 27 03:28:10 I think I get something like that Jul 27 03:28:14 but I'm using a sub Jul 27 03:28:19 awesomeapps.zoka.cc Jul 27 03:29:45 * webOSNewbie 's mom yelled at him Jul 27 03:29:52 * webOSNewbie needs to go Jul 27 03:34:27 Adora: hey Jul 27 03:34:31 hi Jul 27 03:35:11 dev rel is super busy? Jul 27 03:35:39 umm, busy as usual...? Jul 27 03:36:11 just wonderin.. cause tomorrow is business day 15 :) Jul 27 03:36:59 lol Jul 27 03:37:23 argg.. the script installer doesn't work on *this* host either Jul 27 03:37:29 Jul 27 03:39:39 haha Jul 27 03:39:46 (what am I laughing at?) Jul 27 03:41:12 me.. lol Jul 27 03:42:50 thats a given, but what specifically Jul 27 03:44:19 me using a freehost still? Jul 27 03:44:44 HAH Jul 27 03:45:26 laugh all you want.. lol Jul 27 03:45:34 I'll eventually get a real host Jul 27 03:53:16 hmmm, how to use a button for three states Jul 27 03:58:24 colors? Jul 27 03:58:41 nobody uses colors nowadays! Jul 27 03:58:59 appsotutely: a good idea Jul 27 03:59:05 but I realized I can use two buttons Jul 27 04:08:22 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD: ping Jul 27 04:08:26 pong Jul 27 04:08:30 I'm drunk Jul 27 04:08:36 hah. Jul 27 04:09:54 new ipk sent Jul 27 04:10:33 rwhitby: ping Jul 27 04:10:48 summatusmentis: ping Jul 27 04:11:15 got it Jul 27 04:11:19 will install tomorrow Jul 27 04:12:06 sweeet, thanks Jul 27 04:15:29 I'm off to bed.. no coding done tonight :/ Jul 27 04:15:30 night al Jul 27 04:15:58 Tibfib: pong Jul 27 04:16:17 summatusmentis: if you pm me your email, I'll send you nomnomnom Jul 27 04:16:32 pm sent Jul 27 04:17:41 sent Jul 27 04:27:30 Tibfib: pong Jul 27 04:27:47 rwhitby: want NomNomNom? Jul 27 04:27:51 sure Jul 27 04:28:04 okay, I think I have your email Jul 27 04:28:40 sent Jul 27 04:28:57 there may or may not be issues when you login, just restart it. Jul 27 04:29:12 I'll test and fix it once I get a touchpad Jul 27 04:33:28 anyone having the case cracking issues that webosroundup is reporting? Jul 27 04:34:04 I hadn't even noticed, but now that they mention it, my TP definitely has cracking occurring near the speakers Jul 27 04:35:43 Tibfib: I love this Jul 27 04:35:47 hands down Jul 27 04:36:07 :) Jul 27 04:37:38 I'll compile a list of "buggy" type things that I find, and shoot you an email? Jul 27 04:37:54 unless you've got a preferred method Jul 27 04:38:55 summatusmentis: email is best Jul 27 04:39:12 I'm sure there's quite a bit of stuff Jul 27 04:40:02 it seems pretty polished, given the version #, but email it is Jul 27 04:43:34 thanks Jul 27 04:49:28 Tibfib: you should know, this is replacing Mosaic as my RSS reader Jul 27 04:49:38 :) Jul 27 04:50:12 * rwhitby never tried mosaic. there can be no reason for webOSroundup to require me to have an account for RSS feed reading Jul 27 04:50:50 hah. localStorage is tricky Jul 27 04:50:57 mosaic had sort of a shiny interface (think FB app grid-view) Jul 27 04:50:59 setting localStorage['key'] = null Jul 27 04:51:10 sets localStorage['key'] === "null" Jul 27 04:51:13 and same with undefined Jul 27 04:52:33 and I thought, at the time, that mosaic would actually provide syncing Jul 27 04:52:41 turns out, all they provide is google reader import Jul 27 04:54:40 which is, you know, not what I want Jul 27 05:13:28 oh dang Jul 27 05:13:30 it's midnight Jul 27 05:13:42 only in the non-important time zones Jul 27 05:13:50 very true Jul 27 05:14:15 amazon needs the 1.8GHz macbook air. now. Jul 27 05:14:54 nomnomnom Jul 27 05:23:11 * rwhitby submits oscon slides for tomorrow Jul 27 06:15:05 is there a enyo command to go from a charCode to string? Jul 27 06:16:18 String.fromCharCode(code) ? Jul 27 06:16:29 JS native, nothing to do with Enyo though :) Jul 27 06:16:33 ya im using that but i thought it wasnt working right Jul 27 06:16:42 but i now think im wrong Jul 27 06:16:52 Yeah unless there's a bug in the JS engine it should work quite correctly Jul 27 06:18:44 is there a way to disable auto caps on all widgets in my app Jul 27 06:19:00 im using a non enyo text entry area Jul 27 06:19:10 and it seems to be inheriting Sentence caps Jul 27 06:20:16 If you use text-transform: lowercase it should prevent uppercase Jul 27 06:21:00 Well, it actually won't prevent uppercase, but everything will show as lowercase =) Jul 27 06:21:13 thats not useful Jul 27 06:21:19 Yeah I realized that maybe it wasn't what you wanted :D Jul 27 06:22:13 actually, assuming you read it out and converted to lowercase Jul 27 06:22:18 that actually might work? Jul 27 06:22:33 read it out? Jul 27 06:22:56 i need the text area to obey proper shifts, i cant have enyo magically setting some value here Jul 27 07:43:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIRQf0S3oD0&playnext=1&list=PLE5EA60463D34592D Jul 27 09:07:01 hello peeps Jul 27 09:07:21 yoyo Jul 27 09:09:07 sup i added you on g+ Jul 27 09:16:08 me2 :) Jul 27 09:16:23 have not been back on lol Jul 27 09:18:26 been slacking off for like 4 days no coding Jul 27 09:21:28 will begin coding again tommorrow, or the next day Jul 27 09:33:12 what else are you doing? :D Jul 27 09:33:56 been chilling Jul 27 09:34:12 I could use some of that! Jul 27 09:35:54 building an app and the back end, was intense for some weeks Jul 27 09:36:47 can been trying to build things up with a girl Jul 27 09:40:00 the back of the app has been the main issue Jul 27 09:40:11 but will be complete soon Jul 27 09:40:50 just going for something that not sure if i can get, but will just try Jul 27 09:41:55 not scared, in the app and the girl, but both are complicated in there ways Jul 27 09:43:21 how is the girl thing going? Jul 27 09:45:53 well not sure, cuss I am not in cali right on, but have not been banned for all the stuff I have told her. Jul 27 09:46:09 right now. Jul 27 09:48:15 it is just not your average girl. Jul 27 13:33:52 http://www.meetup.com/HPwebOS/Franklin-TN/310181/ Jul 27 13:35:04 http://meetup.com/hpwebos Jul 27 13:47:33 http://www.meetup.com/HPwebOS/Toronto/ Jul 27 13:47:35 wee Jul 27 13:51:05 hi Jul 27 13:51:16 hmm Jul 27 13:51:48 anyone know any good tutorials where i can get an in-depth info of enyo framework Jul 27 13:52:01 Have you looked at google? Jul 27 13:52:18 lmgtfy Jul 27 13:52:23 com Jul 27 13:52:26 Dot. Jul 27 13:52:37 not necessarily in that order Jul 27 13:52:59 tried it they all give just overview i need something with examples and text explation Jul 27 13:53:02 jjhhff: check out the extended feedreader tutorial Jul 27 13:54:07 i did i didnt get it Jul 27 13:54:27 i am new programing Jul 27 13:54:42 never done any sort of web programing Jul 27 13:54:47 So you have never codded before? Jul 27 13:55:03 i have but just base stuff Jul 27 13:55:06 Maybe you will be best off with some general codding bokes Jul 27 13:55:20 codding bokes Jul 27 13:55:22 bahaha Jul 27 13:55:40 *coding books Jul 27 13:55:48 web programming is barely even programming :P Jul 27 13:56:06 * hotdp gives up Jul 27 13:56:27 then w3schools is for you Jul 27 13:57:23 i need enyo tutorials where they tell what each thing is like inSender , inLang etc Jul 27 13:57:48 what pre defined functions are there like that stuff Jul 27 13:58:00 look at the API ? Jul 27 13:58:16 i did Jul 27 13:58:27 it's to brief Jul 27 13:58:35 i need depth Jul 27 13:59:19 RTFM Jul 27 13:59:34 UTSL Jul 27 14:01:17 tell me link other than this one:developer.palm.com/ Jul 27 14:01:50 jjhhff: the SDK installs enyo; int he framework directory is a section of examples Jul 27 14:01:53 that's your best bet atm. Jul 27 14:02:11 more extensive tutorials are not available AFAIK. Jul 27 14:02:22 failing that, Use The Source, Luke. Jul 27 14:04:18 Open The Source, Luke Jul 27 14:04:22 and I bet you get a lot more docs. Jul 27 14:04:36 yep Jul 27 14:04:40 but… Jul 27 14:04:45 *shrug* Jul 27 14:07:24 thanks i'll try that Jul 27 14:09:27 np Jul 27 14:09:34 WAY TO HELP OUT GUYS Jul 27 14:11:30 matbee: is node.js web programming? Jul 27 14:14:42 yeah Jul 27 14:14:47 haha Jul 27 14:14:58 well, it's javascript Jul 27 14:15:05 but my web programming comment was just a joke Jul 27 14:15:24 heh Jul 27 14:17:43 nodejs is the hottest thing since... something Jul 27 14:18:03 nodejs + couchdb, goodness gracious. Jul 27 14:19:55 there he go Jul 27 14:21:36 watched Tim write a node.js game yesterday which uses SDL bindings. no sign of a web server anywhere. Jul 27 14:23:49 nice Jul 27 14:23:58 yeah, it is possible to do other things with nodejs Jul 27 14:24:16 you can use C libraries with it as well Jul 27 14:26:12 But for the most part, people would consider it 'web programming' as its main purpose uses javascript. Jul 27 14:29:41 programming is programming Jul 27 14:30:02 so you also call something for C# programming and vb.net programming Jul 27 14:30:10 and they are not both programming Jul 27 14:30:19 matbee: i don't get your point.. Jul 27 14:30:41 hotdp, People would consider node.js as web programming as its javascript. Jul 27 14:30:59 my comment that 'web programming is barely programming' was a joke Jul 27 14:31:49 Ive been doing java/c# development for a few years, and javascript is just way too damn flexible to ignore Jul 27 14:32:38 well, "people" say a lot of obviously wrong things, but sure Jul 27 14:33:07 web programming is synonymous with javascript Jul 27 14:34:12 again. lots of people say "nucular" too, but that doesn't make it correct 8) Jul 27 14:37:19 matbee: what about php? Jul 27 14:37:28 html? css? Jul 27 14:37:40 the list goes on and on Jul 27 14:39:24 do our apps share the same cache as the browser? Jul 27 14:39:58 Tibfib, I'm not saying it's not programming Jul 27 14:39:59 haha Jul 27 14:40:09 "web programming is synonymous with javascript" Jul 27 14:40:22 matbee: no, just "barely programming" Jul 27 14:40:23 PHP is web server programming Jul 27 14:40:31 rwhitby, read up Jul 27 14:40:53 I would say web server programming is part of web programming Jul 27 14:41:02 matbee: yep, jokes usually have a ring of truth from the teller's preconceptions Jul 27 14:41:11 rwhitby, nope Jul 27 14:41:24 JOKES ARE ALWAYS FALSE Jul 27 14:42:00 * rwhitby thinks programming is programming, and you can be good or bad at it no matter what domain you are applying it to. Jul 27 14:42:20 ^+1 Jul 27 14:43:17 you're all nuts, but I like it Jul 27 14:45:23 My only complaint is palm's webkit isn't as feature-filled as I'd like it to be Jul 27 14:45:34 Where's the shadows, dawg? Jul 27 14:46:07 well, since it's only web progamming, webkit doesn't really need features, right ;) Jul 27 14:46:27 s/progamming/programming/ Jul 27 14:49:04 that makes no sense Jul 27 14:49:27 well, there's web programming ala 17 year old kid writes his school's computer room scheduling app, and then there's web programming ala, we need to develop a scalable, highly concurrent, highly available application to service 17 million users Jul 27 14:49:29 because we're unable to create the features ourselves --- so web programming is very much dependant on the features of webkit Jul 27 14:49:41 the latter having way more in common with the people who work on supercomputing clusters than it does with the former Jul 27 14:57:36 with mozilla's B2G being created Jul 27 14:57:37 I'm excited Jul 27 14:58:56 pfft Jul 27 14:59:02 decent browser first, pls Jul 27 14:59:35 basically they're creating webos on android Jul 27 14:59:46 how could wee not be excited? Jul 27 15:00:33 oh, and its community driven, we can commit changes to their repo and they'll review it and merge to the branch Jul 27 15:00:48 so we don't have to wait for mozilla to do everything Jul 27 15:01:18 that's their mobile OS thing? Jul 27 15:01:22 yeah Jul 27 15:01:46 I'm curious as to the success they'll have getting it into any devices Jul 27 15:01:56 the thing that worries me most about that project, and projects like it, is security. Jul 27 15:02:11 but I haven't read that much about it, so I don't know the logistics Jul 27 15:02:37 esser, you think open source is more prone to security faults? Jul 27 15:02:53 esser, how do you explain chrome being the most powerful/secure browser around? --- open source... Jul 27 15:02:54 matbee: no i think exposing more hardware to foreign code is more prone to security faults Jul 27 15:02:57 ah Jul 27 15:03:00 ...hold your horses. Jul 27 15:03:02 i see Jul 27 15:03:05 held :) Jul 27 15:03:40 well, mozilla is reviewing all code, and they've got some serious brain power Jul 27 15:03:56 i mean, we always have plenty of examples of mobile devices that can basically be rooted with a non-execution exploit Jul 27 15:04:03 sure, these things get patched, but that is all a timing issue Jul 27 15:04:17 the problem with this category of device is that once it's rooted, it stays rooted Jul 27 15:04:23 it's not like you just pop in your boot disk and start over Jul 27 15:05:39 matbee: in the contest between brain power and complexity, complexity rarely loses Jul 27 15:17:06 wtf is a "video scrubber"? is this some term techie people use to make "control overlay" sound more hip or what? Jul 27 15:19:52 "scrubber" is the timeline bar that allows you to move back and forth between points in time on the video/audio Jul 27 15:20:01 I'm not sure where it comes from Jul 27 15:20:04 ah, okay Jul 27 15:20:06 thanks! Jul 27 15:21:03 of course Jul 27 15:21:18 it's sort of a weird word for that mechanism, but yeah Jul 27 15:21:28 I assume it comes from old analogue recording stuff Jul 27 15:23:38 * PatrickC waits for email Jul 27 15:28:51 hey halfhalo-work Jul 27 15:29:07 BURN Jul 27 15:29:14 Adora!! Jul 27 15:30:07 * halfhalo-work laughs evily Jul 27 15:38:38 ah.. just thought of a new feature... Jul 27 15:40:05 lies Jul 27 15:41:30 nope.. truth Jul 27 15:41:39 my app will be da bomb.. :) Jul 27 15:41:51 psh Jul 27 15:41:58 * halfhalo-work has _.each chain from hell Jul 27 15:42:43 what? lol Jul 27 15:43:00 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/the-dallas-webos-events-were-a-great-success/dal-8/ Jul 27 15:43:09 think javascript for loop but for objects. Jul 27 15:43:13 that guy in the middle brought a 19 inch monitor? Jul 27 15:44:06 recursion ftw! (esp with callbacks. and many, many, many for loops) Jul 27 15:44:08 haha Jul 27 15:44:30 oil: :) certainly looks like it Jul 27 15:44:34 * PatrickC would totally do that Jul 27 15:44:52 im going to assume its hooked up to a laptop Jul 27 15:44:58 and he doesnt have a tower under the desk Jul 27 15:45:21 isn't that the tower to his right? Jul 27 15:45:22 at least it wasn't a crt Jul 27 15:45:29 on it's side? Jul 27 15:45:32 lol Jul 27 15:45:35 could be Jul 27 15:46:05 yeah, he brought his full rig and didn't have a wireless NIC :/ Jul 27 15:46:14 HAHA Jul 27 15:46:25 lolol Jul 27 15:46:50 oil: I downloaded wIRC last night but it will never connect to freenode....fix it, thanks Jul 27 15:46:53 :P Jul 27 15:46:55 who is it? would i know them? Jul 27 15:47:00 can i make fun of them to their face? Jul 27 15:47:20 * PatrickC wonders if dropbox has a web api Jul 27 15:48:17 oil: I don't remember his name, but I think he was a webOS n00b, so you likely don't know him, either Jul 27 15:48:28 ok Jul 27 15:48:53 clearly not only a webos noob, if he expects conferences to provide him wired lan access Jul 27 15:49:02 ha, yeah Jul 27 15:49:12 loll Jul 27 15:49:25 * oil brings his full tower and 3 monitors to next event Jul 27 15:49:27 I shouldn't be so condescending Jul 27 15:49:35 but I'm going to continue to be so Jul 27 15:49:39 at first I thought "LAN party!" Jul 27 15:49:41 oil: Show up with a fancy swivel desk chair too Jul 27 15:49:54 twbbas: well i'll need that to roll all this gear in Jul 27 15:50:00 there are a lot of balding men in that room Jul 27 15:50:07 summatusmentis: omg so true Jul 27 15:50:08 heh Jul 27 15:50:21 * oil is looking into the future? Jul 27 15:50:47 me too, my mom mentioned that my hairline was receding, which makes me sad because I have dreads Jul 27 15:50:57 I feel like balding and having dreads would look very weird Jul 27 15:51:05 if my hair starts to go im going to win the battle by shaving my head from then on Jul 27 15:51:23 oh no, you'll look like the bad guys from Battlefield Earth (yes, I watched it to see how truly horrible it is) Jul 27 15:51:33 lol Jul 27 15:51:34 haha Jul 27 15:51:58 I've never seen BE Jul 27 15:52:02 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/the-dallas-webos-events-were-a-great-success/img_0804/ Jul 27 15:52:07 "everyone open webos roundup" Jul 27 15:52:15 summatusmentis: don't bother, trust me Jul 27 15:52:16 * oil would have go to webosinternals Jul 27 15:52:46 oil: aren't they all WR people? Jul 27 15:52:50 idk Jul 27 15:53:03 the guy on the right is Jul 27 15:53:15 and the guy on the left is wearing a WR shirt Jul 27 15:53:52 The kid in the back is Arthur Thornton, an intern at HP Jul 27 15:54:23 https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/5967/app-for-the-hp-touchpad Jul 27 15:54:36 voted Jul 27 15:54:47 haha, I voted 6 times and it locked me out Jul 27 15:54:53 lol Jul 27 15:55:14 ugg.. dropbox doesn't seem to have a web api Jul 27 15:55:16 :/ Jul 27 15:56:58 the guy on the left is awfully touchy Jul 27 15:57:48 lol you're still analyzing that pic Jul 27 15:58:02 haha Jul 27 15:59:23 * twbbas has to minimize IRC to get work done Jul 27 15:59:26 cya Jul 27 15:59:35 cya Jul 27 15:59:36 lol Jul 27 15:59:43 and by "get work done" he means "more looking at awkward photos" Jul 27 16:00:19 no, I just went back to it Jul 27 16:00:24 but yes Jul 27 16:02:21 PatrickC: dropbox absolutely does have web api Jul 27 16:02:34 funkatron: I didn't see it on their dev portal Jul 27 16:02:41 twbbas: check yo email :) Jul 27 16:03:05 its not here https://www.dropbox.com/developers/releases Jul 27 16:03:30 https://www.dropbox.com/developers Jul 27 16:03:40 https://www.dropbox.com/developers/docs#api-specification Jul 27 16:03:49 reading Jul 27 16:05:13 "Web applications using the Dropbox API are currently not supported. There are a number of issues we still have to iron out before we formally release the API for web applications. If you're anxious to get started, head over to the web API documentation." Jul 27 16:07:39 to read about all the cool things you can't do, or what? Jul 27 16:07:50 somehow, that paragraph does not make sense Jul 27 16:08:16 "not supported" usually means "if it's broken, don't come whining to us" Jul 27 16:08:46 sort of a beta API, I assume Jul 27 16:08:50 yeah Jul 27 16:09:03 they have a web api.. https://www.dropbox.com/developers/web_docs Jul 27 16:09:14 but its not "officially supported" I guess Jul 27 16:09:47 and....? Jul 27 16:09:54 which probably means "we're gonna change this out from under you, and you have no right to bitch and moan about it" Jul 27 16:10:22 summatusmentis: huh? "change this out from under you" Jul 27 16:10:23 ? Jul 27 16:10:43 really? Jul 27 16:11:03 PatrickC: if you build something on top of it, and they change the API... Jul 27 16:11:09 like pulling a rug out from under you? Jul 27 16:11:09 ah Jul 27 16:11:20 * PatrickC gets it now Jul 27 16:11:25 it's a saying Jul 27 16:11:30 I guess you might be too young :-P Jul 27 16:11:36 hrmm.. do I continue trying to do it.. lol Jul 27 16:13:39 looks like I will be learning to do Just Type integration today Jul 27 16:14:05 sugardave: cool Jul 27 16:14:12 * PatrickC adds that to feature list Jul 27 16:15:46 man, I'm ready to go home except that it was 105 there yesterday and 70 here :/ Jul 27 16:16:38 cwayne: ping Jul 27 16:32:42 sugardave: it'll be that hot again today :) Jul 27 16:43:09 Tibfib: does Koto have facebook share? Jul 27 16:43:15 nope Jul 27 16:43:24 only twitter? Jul 27 16:43:43 yepp Jul 27 16:43:57 what about dropbox? Jul 27 16:44:11 don't you have the app installed? Jul 27 16:44:21 yeah.. I think Jul 27 16:44:27 but I think only the lite Jul 27 16:44:29 then why are you asking me questions? Jul 27 16:44:42 does the lite have all the features? Jul 27 16:44:46 yep Jul 27 16:44:51 ah cool Jul 27 16:48:24 man.. phone vibrated, thought it was dev discount people.. it was a weather email :/ Jul 27 16:48:32 lol Jul 27 16:48:50 urggh, when is that email going to come Jul 27 16:49:05 idk Jul 27 16:49:12 today is business day 15 Jul 27 16:49:15 for me Jul 27 16:49:25 Adora: poke some people :) Jul 27 16:49:40 PatrickC: business day 15 means nothing Jul 27 16:49:50 it's an estimate, not a guarantee Jul 27 16:50:03 they said within 15 business days.. Jul 27 16:50:13 * PatrickC hopes they ment that Jul 27 16:51:10 it's an estimate, not a guarantee Jul 27 16:51:38 aww.. Jul 27 16:51:46 I highly doubt they'll say, "Oh crap! It's XXXXX's 15th day. Better get that out" Jul 27 16:52:24 well, I was hoping to hear back.. I emailed under 1 hour after the program started Jul 27 16:52:44 you and 100+ others unfortunately Jul 27 16:53:11 you hear back yet? Jul 27 16:53:55 kind of Jul 27 16:54:08 howso? Jul 27 16:54:21 I don't remember what they said Jul 27 16:54:26 they're working on it or something Jul 27 16:54:31 ah Jul 27 16:54:41 last thing I got was the 15 day email Jul 27 16:55:04 oh yeah, I got something within 15 days Jul 27 16:55:32 I think Jul 27 16:55:55 * PatrickC hasn't yet.. sadly Jul 27 16:55:59 what belt are you? Jul 27 16:56:14 I was told 5-10 days about 15 days ago Jul 27 16:56:19 green of course Jul 27 16:56:30 I didn't know if you were brown.. Jul 27 16:56:45 doubt it. I have 2 apps in teh catalog Jul 27 16:56:50 never been to a conference Jul 27 16:58:28 i've got 6 in the catalog (probably only 1 or 2 count) and 3 more in active development Jul 27 17:02:53 Tibfib: you know they have those "you must be this tall to enter" signs at conferences ;) Jul 27 17:03:13 oh, do they? Jul 27 17:03:20 I'm not thaaat short Jul 27 17:03:26 heh Jul 27 17:03:52 lol Jul 27 17:05:18 Tibfib: what's spaz HD's appid? Jul 27 17:05:30 dunno Jul 27 17:06:10 funkatron: what's spaz HD's appid? Jul 27 17:06:12 http://www.webos101.com/Cross-App_Launching#Spaz Jul 27 17:06:46 com.funkatron.app.spaz-hd Jul 27 17:06:52 also: source code, google. Jul 27 17:06:52 funkatron: thanks Jul 27 17:08:47 spaz hd now running on my pre2 Jul 27 17:08:53 *clapclap* Jul 27 17:10:40 works best in landscape Jul 27 17:11:43 PatrickC: pong Jul 27 17:12:02 cwayne: hows the ubuntu 1 app comin? Jul 27 17:12:12 PatrickC: blech Jul 27 17:12:24 that good? Jul 27 17:32:17 whatup Jul 27 17:43:24 hey matbee Jul 27 17:43:39 heyo Jul 27 17:43:49 what's up? Jul 27 17:43:53 i was just given some ridiculous project.... Jul 27 17:43:56 and nearly no time to do it Jul 27 17:43:57 ha Jul 27 17:44:07 funn.. lol Jul 27 17:44:20 yeah, they require "LIVE" updates Jul 27 17:44:28 ouch Jul 27 17:44:44 so we're looking into websockets, xmpp and long polling Jul 27 17:45:03 irc can give live updates ;) Jul 27 17:45:04 socket.io Jul 27 17:45:10 yeah thats if we use nodejs Jul 27 17:45:37 halfhalo will do the nodejs for you :) Jul 27 17:45:45 haha, i do nodejs anyway Jul 27 17:45:46 tell him I said it was ok ;) Jul 27 17:45:52 lol Jul 27 17:46:04 i could work out some sort of pub/sub system Jul 27 17:46:06 * PatrickC barely knows JS Jul 27 17:46:06 yup, but it will make your life so much easier. one server implementation, and websockets, flash sockets, long polling, and whatever else it does is working Jul 27 17:46:22 the only problem is we could have 1,000 - 60,000 concurrent connections Jul 27 17:46:39 and a node instance will handle 1-10,000 connections Jul 27 17:46:44 socket.io + redis Jul 27 17:47:10 if you do it right, it will scale pretty nice horizontally. Jul 27 17:47:11 so we'll have to use nodejs on about 5 different amazon instances Jul 27 17:48:09 its not too crazy to get more servers, we just need the best and solid route Jul 27 17:50:17 maybe we could use nodejs + faye Jul 27 17:51:11 can you test exhibiton mode in the browser? Jul 27 17:58:51 hey Adora, wanna check out my google reader app? Jul 27 17:59:01 Tibfib: I dooooooo Jul 27 17:59:09 okay, I think I have your email Jul 27 17:59:11 email - lisa.brewster@palm.com Jul 27 17:59:30 Tibfib: I'll get you my first round of comments tonight on that Jul 27 17:59:40 summatusmentis: thanks! Jul 27 18:00:00 Adora: sent Jul 27 18:04:57 nope Jul 27 18:07:44 Hmm, my progress bar is acting funny Jul 27 18:08:12 It goes from 0 -> 20 fine but then freezes and then shoots to 100 once I give it the 100 parameter Jul 27 18:11:26 so it's like most progress bars I've ever seen? Jul 27 18:12:34 well the problem is that I'm passing parameters at pretty much equal 12 intervals but it doesn't seem to pick them up until 100 Jul 27 18:12:50 I guess the TP just freezes while it's running the stuff I'm showing progress for? Jul 27 18:13:12 Welp. Jul 27 18:13:14 or it's asynchronously checkingthe parameters? Jul 27 18:14:23 * twbbas goes to try using a spinner but the spinner won't show up Jul 27 18:15:39 twbbas: I think by default the spinner doesn't show Jul 27 18:16:07 I'm calling the .show() function Jul 27 18:16:17 my html shows it's there but something's covering it up... hmm Jul 27 18:20:35 twbbas: spinner is hidden by default Jul 27 18:21:15 azakus: Yes but I'm calling this.$.spinner.show(); and the html says that it's there and spinning Jul 27 18:21:25 is it's container hidden? Jul 27 18:21:30 no Jul 27 18:21:34 interesting Jul 27 18:24:19 g.afternoon peeps Jul 27 18:30:43 is there no way to programmatically turn on the camera led? Jul 27 18:30:45 pre2 Jul 27 18:31:13 no official way Jul 27 18:31:24 jason robitaille has an api for it Jul 27 18:31:43 I've got a nice patch that adds that to the device menu Jul 27 18:31:57 so is there a preware app for it? Jul 27 18:32:05 I think so Jul 27 18:32:11 yeah you will be able to find it in there Jul 27 18:32:15 k I'll check Jul 27 18:33:25 Loudergood, your patch is available in preware? Jul 27 18:33:47 it's not mine, I meant I have one installed from there Jul 27 18:34:07 ah yeah Jul 27 18:34:20 I think it's one of the advanced patches Jul 27 18:40:22 there's a half dozen patches for camera/flashlight Jul 27 18:41:03 funkatron: I noticed a bitcoin exchange rate app in the catalog, someone might beat you to making a bitcoin miner Jul 27 18:41:13 damn Jul 27 18:41:24 better hurry Jul 27 18:41:27 bmidgley: I have a "led flashlight" in my menu. Was a patch IIRC. Pre 2. Jul 27 18:41:41 yes its a patch Jul 27 18:41:50 pre2/2.1.0 I've got "Flashlight in Device Menu" (Jason Robitaille) Jul 27 18:42:23 bbl Jul 27 18:42:50 which works great, except when the device menu stops working Jul 27 18:43:46 I installed the patch and rebooted... now where do I find that menu Jul 27 18:44:32 that's the upper right menu Jul 27 18:45:05 (you know, the one that randomly just decides to stop working) Jul 27 18:46:19 yep it works, nice Jul 27 19:04:21 dwc-: I have the same problem sometimes too Jul 27 19:05:39 haeffb: ping Jul 27 19:20:09 So which of you think it's possible to hack a 25-char long Gmail password that is alphanumeric and contains symbols? Jul 27 19:21:53 how can one report a broken app, scamming people, does *not work, no more support page, or contact via app/help... Jul 27 19:21:56 technically, you could still brute force it. It will just take a while Jul 27 19:22:13 IGNTNUNLMTD: define "hack" Jul 27 19:22:31 my account was breached and some of my mail deleted, then the password changed Jul 27 19:22:45 and the password was as I described Jul 27 19:22:52 keyloggers Jul 27 19:22:58 stolen session cookies Jul 27 19:23:00 etc Jul 27 19:23:06 no way Jul 27 19:23:09 saved credentials stolen, etc Jul 27 19:23:11 not from this computer Jul 27 19:23:20 that's what they all say ;) Jul 27 19:23:26 ehheeh Jul 27 19:23:34 and you never login to your gmail from another computer? Jul 27 19:23:36 password reuse Jul 27 19:23:38 lots of ways Jul 27 19:23:38 never Jul 27 19:23:42 the "forgot your password" tool? Jul 27 19:24:04 yea, everyone's favorite Jul 27 19:24:15 the answers there are often easier to figure out than passwords Jul 27 19:24:18 "what year did you graduate high school" Jul 27 19:24:26 My question is "Access Code"? Jul 27 19:24:32 no, no, "what's your pet's name" Jul 27 19:24:33 my answer is 50 characters long Jul 27 19:24:39 random Jul 27 19:24:59 something's fishy here Jul 27 19:25:02 and now I'm paranoid Jul 27 19:25:03 lol Jul 27 19:25:22 well, talk to google Jul 27 19:25:39 maybe they can shed some light on it Jul 27 19:26:10 I will Jul 27 19:26:14 best part was Jul 27 19:26:31 I whois'd the IPs that did the breach Jul 27 19:26:48 IGNTNUNLMTD: have you looked at the "account activity" Jul 27 19:26:50 all of them resolved to a company in Amsterdam Jul 27 19:26:56 akanster: first thing I did Jul 27 19:27:04 oh Jul 27 19:27:04 proxies are great, aren't they Jul 27 19:27:12 indeed Jul 27 19:27:20 damn pot smoking dutchmen! Jul 27 19:27:24 :) Jul 27 19:27:29 they had a Serbia, a Brazil, a Mexico and a Denmark Jul 27 19:27:30 anarchists Jul 27 19:27:40 in terms of proxies Jul 27 19:27:51 all belonged to a company in Amsterdam Jul 27 19:27:56 IGNTNUNLMTD: do you use your gmail password for any other account? Jul 27 19:28:01 nope Jul 27 19:28:04 don't forget the netherlands! Jul 27 19:28:06 all individual Jul 27 19:28:30 I try to be as close to perfect as possible when it comes to security Jul 27 19:28:35 so I can't believe that happened Jul 27 19:29:06 makes me feel unclean that other people were in my gmail account Jul 27 19:29:10 * IGNTNUNLMTD needs to shower now Jul 27 19:29:12 whew.. all my entries are US. Jul 27 19:29:13 so, what multinational company Jul 27 19:29:45 no, just a proxy host Jul 27 19:29:50 my account activity is pretty useless. thanks to google deciding to report all the non-user-initiated-activity Jul 27 19:30:04 yeah all of mine are "POP3" Jul 27 19:30:13 so mine only goes back a couple of hours Jul 27 19:30:32 as it goes between web on work computer and imap from phone Jul 27 19:31:07 well, you said they have proxies in all these places, no such thing really as just a company of proxy hosts.... Jul 27 19:31:55 just telling you what I saw in whois Jul 27 19:32:07 Google said "Serbia", who-is said amsterdam Jul 27 19:32:16 same with the mexico one Jul 27 19:32:25 They are Legion Jul 27 19:32:33 what company? PM me if you don't want to publicly accuse Jul 27 19:33:16 or, an IP is fine and I'll look myself Jul 27 19:34:16 or, can I just venture a guess? (RIPE) ? Jul 27 19:35:19 yeah, RIPE Jul 27 19:35:27 how'd you know? Jul 27 19:35:33 OMFG dwc- is the HAXXOR Jul 27 19:35:37 lol Jul 27 19:35:47 because RIPE is a regional registry Jul 27 19:35:52 yeah Jul 27 19:35:59 and they're in amsterdam Jul 27 19:36:08 so whoever it was, was going through them and using proxies in all those places Jul 27 19:36:36 IPs go from the internet's space to one of 5(?) registries... ARIN, RIPE, LACNIC, APNIC Jul 27 19:36:59 right Jul 27 19:36:59 and are assigned from there to actual customers/users Jul 27 19:37:19 they're not a company, and certainly not a proxy host Jul 27 19:37:23 they just manage IP space Jul 27 19:37:38 they are 100% blameless Jul 27 19:38:01 oh I know that Jul 27 19:38:24 your whois tool doesn't know how to look at the actual companies that control the activity on the IPs your pals proxied through Jul 27 19:38:33 yeah Jul 27 19:38:40 12:20 < IGNTNUNLMTD> I whois'd the IPs that did the breach Jul 27 19:38:41 12:20 < IGNTNUNLMTD> all of them resolved to a company in Amsterdam Jul 27 19:38:45 12:20 < IGNTNUNLMTD> they had a Serbia, a Brazil, a Mexico and a Denmark Jul 27 19:38:47 12:21 < IGNTNUNLMTD> in terms of proxies Jul 27 19:38:47 12:21 < IGNTNUNLMTD> all belonged to a company in Amsterdam Jul 27 19:39:02 "belonged" was the wrong term to use Jul 27 19:39:04 but yes Jul 27 19:39:28 google, and whois can tell you what company/country they're registered to, but stopping at RIPE is not the right answer Jul 27 19:40:06 well you can't go further and you can't blame RIPE, so that is a stopping point Jul 27 19:40:10 you can go further Jul 27 19:40:13 how? Jul 27 19:40:17 query RIPE's whois server, for example Jul 27 19:40:20 hey all Jul 27 19:40:51 picking a random netblock... you'll see stuff like Jul 27 19:40:58 NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC Jul 27 19:40:59 Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in Jul 27 19:40:59 Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in Jul 27 19:40:59 Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois Jul 27 19:41:02 dwc-: Done. And I got a domain and email address Jul 27 19:41:10 or you can whois -h whois.ripe.net Jul 27 19:41:41 for a Serbian ISP Jul 27 19:42:22 yea, and that's similar to the data google used to tell you countries Jul 27 19:43:38 and that's where it ends Jul 27 19:43:47 because within an ISP network, you can't find anyone Jul 27 19:44:04 most of the time, anyways ;) Jul 27 19:44:31 (depends on the isp) Jul 27 19:45:58 yeah, we've only got about 24 hours of logs on that front Jul 27 19:46:03 if you're the RIAA, sure Jul 27 19:46:05 lol Jul 27 19:46:07 because of the crazy nat-ing Jul 27 19:46:28 Loudergood: you work for an ISP? Jul 27 19:46:33 * Loudergood works for a really really small ISP Jul 27 19:47:17 it helps if I include needed files to call on... Jul 27 19:47:18 yea, nat will make that a lot harder... Jul 27 19:47:38 harder than just keeping track of your pppoe/static ip users Jul 27 19:48:03 bah, why doesnt webos support websockets Jul 27 19:48:04 :@ Jul 27 19:48:05 yeah, we're moving to that slowly Jul 27 19:49:41 man.. I love being able to look at others *working* code Jul 27 19:51:03 ok.. I have an if else statement that tell my app to push a scene if "x" is "1" (and it is) but its just an infinite loop Jul 27 19:52:13 http://pastie.org/private/ucazjm0qnipczrucizspw Jul 27 19:52:35 you should be able to see the if/else statement (only one in the scene) Jul 27 19:52:51 you are swapping the scene with itself indefinitely Jul 27 19:53:00 how? Jul 27 19:53:28 villo: if(1 === 1){ swap villo } Jul 27 19:53:35 which runs villo: if(1 === 1){ swap villo } Jul 27 19:53:36 again Jul 27 19:53:39 and over and over and over Jul 27 19:53:41 Has anyone ever noticed if socket.io eats up battery life on webos? Jul 27 19:53:50 the client code Jul 27 19:53:57 as it only uses xhr, not websockets Jul 27 19:54:01 PatrickC: just do if !=== 1, swap to the main scene Jul 27 19:54:05 hrmm.. I'll ask the dev.. I got it from his code.. Jul 27 19:54:30 Tibfib_: I want it to push the villo scene if the user is not logged in, and the main if he is (for the time being) Jul 27 19:54:40 instead of 1 === 1, why not 1 && swap villo Jul 27 19:55:28 matbee: I used the exact code he used (tailored to me) Jul 27 19:55:40 PatrickC: but the villo scene is already there Jul 27 19:55:47 why would you want to push villo again? Jul 27 19:55:51 Tibfib_: ah.. true Jul 27 19:56:53 that fixed it Jul 27 19:57:12 took out the else part, and made it if == 0 (which 0 is logged in) Jul 27 19:57:37 magic Jul 27 19:57:53 yep :) Jul 27 19:57:55 thanks all! Jul 27 19:58:29 now to see if the login button works.. Jul 27 19:58:54 nope Jul 27 19:59:00 lol Jul 27 19:59:06 trying to use villo eh Jul 27 19:59:23 yeah.. lol Jul 27 20:00:16 it doesn't like me Jul 27 20:00:38 PatrickC: Do you dev on your phone? Jul 27 20:00:47 meaning? Jul 27 20:00:57 like use internalz or something to write code? Jul 27 20:01:13 nope Jul 27 20:01:25 ok just wondering because you're on your phone in this IRC ;) Jul 27 20:01:32 yep :) Jul 27 20:01:39 I was gonna be like... that's hardcore man Jul 27 20:01:42 I use an *old* laptop to do most of my coding Jul 27 20:01:44 lol Jul 27 20:02:03 argg.. why won't this work.. Jul 27 20:02:12 twbbas: get the email 'bout dropbox? Jul 27 20:03:02 PatrickC: Yeah I wasn't really sure what you're gonna use it for. Care to expand on that? Jul 27 20:03:11 over PM, sure Jul 27 20:03:20 sounds good Jul 27 20:04:03 COME AT ME BRO Jul 27 20:04:56 dangit, there's a max length Jul 27 20:05:01 funkatron is about to throw down Jul 27 20:05:25 with Palm for not licensing Enyo yet Jul 27 20:05:36 http://gim.ie/hHC Jul 27 20:06:31 lol Jul 27 20:06:59 that kid is so awesome Jul 27 20:08:43 haeffb: nevermind, got it Jul 27 20:18:06 sugardave: did you ever get GA to work successfully in Enyo apps? Jul 27 20:18:50 for a while...then they changed their library again Jul 27 20:19:06 I couldn't ever get it to do custom events or whatever it is called Jul 27 20:19:07 :( Jul 27 20:19:29 * PatrickC will be working with OAuth.. :/ Jul 27 20:19:36 I have a plan for making it future-proof, but it's all because they don't allow sending GA stats if you are loading from file:// URIs Jul 27 20:19:41 which is ALL webOS does Jul 27 20:20:56 bbl Jul 27 20:25:56 GA? Jul 27 20:26:05 google analytics Jul 27 20:26:12 oh right Jul 27 20:38:00 moo? Jul 27 20:40:35 http://twitter.com/#!/whitehouse/status/96291538044329985 - some guy got rickrolled by the White House Jul 27 20:42:20 akanster: that's awesome Jul 27 21:13:35 danggit, ctrl + q is sooo close to ctrl + 2 Jul 27 21:13:47 s/ctrl + 2/ctrl + w/ Jul 27 21:25:41 Tibfib: what's ctrl + w do? Jul 27 21:25:48 close the tab Jul 27 21:26:44 why is it bad? Jul 27 21:26:48 oh.. nvm Jul 27 21:27:19 How do I get into recovery mode if my volume rocker is busted? Jul 27 21:28:09 I bust it trying to fix something else on my pre 2 after HP didn't fix it despite HP telling me they had =/ Jul 27 21:28:36 Boopop: hold "x" when powering up Jul 27 21:28:44 Ah good Jul 27 21:28:53 Will I be missing out on much without my volume rocker? Jul 27 21:28:54 >.< Jul 27 21:28:55 I believe Jul 27 21:28:59 I feel somewhat deflated with its absence Jul 27 21:29:09 I fixed the original problem mined Jul 27 21:29:09 yeah, you can't turn up the volume easily Jul 27 21:29:20 how do I turn the volume up for specific apps? Jul 27 21:29:30 as in I can find ringtones and system sounds Jul 27 21:29:33 but that's it :S Jul 27 21:30:37 you're going to want a device menu patch that lets you control ringtone AND media volume Jul 27 21:30:53 Such a patch exists? Jul 27 21:30:56 ah excellent :) Jul 27 21:31:02 I believe so Jul 27 21:31:08 that's reassuring Jul 27 21:31:26 if I manage to get a nice job soon I think I'll just decide to get a Pre 3 and touchpad instead xD Jul 27 21:44:52 Boopop: Advanced device menu has both I believe Jul 27 21:45:13 Thanks :) Jul 27 22:07:18 LoneStar99: whatsup? Jul 27 22:07:41 ugh. This pane is killing me Jul 27 22:07:54 get it? ;) Jul 27 22:07:57 they are a pain :) Jul 27 22:08:32 Any tips for oauth on Enyo? Haven't found a good guide or lib yet. Jul 27 22:08:58 funkatron: does spaz hd use OAuth? Jul 27 22:09:03 yes. Jul 27 22:09:11 ..... Jul 27 22:09:14 jmhobbs: funkatron probably knows Jul 27 22:09:28 use the jsOAuth lib Jul 27 22:09:42 It shouldn't be any different than using oauth without enyo Jul 27 22:09:48 js is js Jul 27 22:09:52 yep. Jul 27 22:10:17 k, never done any oauth in js before Jul 27 22:10:31 twbbas: I'm having pane issues here too Jul 27 22:10:41 found the spaz-enyo repo on github, I'll read that source. Thanks! Jul 27 22:11:09 I think it would be more in spazcore Jul 27 22:11:30 k Jul 27 22:12:48 you can look at spaz-enyo if you want, for sure, but you can just use the jsoauth library and look at the examples that are online for it Jul 27 22:12:58 that's what we use. Jul 27 22:14:13 funkatron, can you do requests without going through a WebService then? Or do you take a WebService and modify it? Jul 27 22:14:23 we don't use webservices at all Jul 27 22:14:35 they're just an enyo construct that abstracts the XHR calls Jul 27 22:14:38 Oh, cool. I thought you _had_ to use WebService for XHR Jul 27 22:14:40 afaik Jul 27 22:14:42 oh god no. Jul 27 22:14:43 Sweet! Jul 27 22:15:07 That's awesome. I found some nasty oauth example that used a webservice. Completely unreadable. Jul 27 22:15:16 This should be much easier now. Thanks. Jul 27 22:15:25 you can write your whole app as custom HTML and JS if you want. it's not magic. Enyo is just a framework you *can* use if you want Jul 27 22:15:30 np Jul 27 22:15:51 mapping libraries all .. suck. Jul 27 22:16:05 mmm yeah mostly Jul 27 22:16:24 one thing I'm sorta not 100% into is how Enyo mixes together UI and non-UI components Jul 27 22:16:52 like, a webservice component is really a model, but it's existing in the same space as your UI components Jul 27 22:17:03 ya i agree thats odd Jul 27 22:17:34 maybe it's a holdover from visual building tools where you drag and drop a non-visual component onto a window Jul 27 22:17:48 my brain doesn't like that Jul 27 22:17:56 What would cause a dynamically created component to be "undefined" when I use getComponents() but exist in the html source? Jul 27 22:18:17 funkatron: yeah same here Jul 27 22:18:42 twbbas: if the kind doesn't have ownership, it won't show up Jul 27 22:18:45 you could try getControls() Jul 27 22:19:19 undefined there too Jul 27 22:19:26 THEN IT DOESN"T EXIST Jul 27 22:19:35 but it's in the html source :( Jul 27 22:19:37 possibly the HTML was generated, but he component object was destroyed at some point Jul 27 22:19:52 yeah, I bet if render hasn't been called, it is still there Jul 27 22:19:55 just guessing tho Jul 27 22:20:03 RENDER Jul 27 22:20:05 let me try that Jul 27 22:20:52 oh wait, that's in the case that's opposite of mine Jul 27 22:21:12 I have code to create this component directly before I'm using getComponents() and getControls() Jul 27 22:21:51 then you need to render before getComponents Jul 27 22:22:39 I've tried that too Jul 27 22:22:57 this.render() renders all components of the childs too, yes? Jul 27 22:23:00 are you stepping through your code to test when it does actually show up? Jul 27 22:24:14 funkatron: What do you mean? I'm calling the getControls() directly after I create the component Jul 27 22:24:28 twbbas: I mean using a step debugger, like the one built into chrome Jul 27 22:24:57 funkatron: Where is that exactly? Jul 27 22:25:11 it's part of the webkit inspector Jul 27 22:25:28 if you're not familiar with it, you should become. it's extremely useful Jul 27 22:25:37 I'm in the inspector already. I don't see it Jul 27 22:25:48 twbbas: in the scripts section Jul 27 22:25:56 tap on the line number Jul 27 22:26:00 that'll set a breakpoint Jul 27 22:26:08 oh that's great Jul 27 22:26:12 didn't know that existed Jul 27 22:26:20 thanks Jul 27 22:26:22 know how to use it? Jul 27 22:26:32 yeah, I think so Jul 27 22:26:41 cool, just ask if you don't Jul 27 22:26:47 funkatron explained it to me a while ago Jul 27 22:26:48 :) Jul 27 22:33:06 NomNomNom: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/feedIconList.png Jul 27 22:35:19 which update is that, Tibfib? Jul 27 22:35:24 what version? Jul 27 22:35:32 umm, dunno if it has been emailed Jul 27 22:35:38 but THAT is the most recent Jul 27 22:35:42 I'll email it out soon ish Jul 27 22:35:45 I don't think it has been emailed Jul 27 22:35:55 oh, no it hasn't. It has starred/shared stuff Jul 27 22:39:25 that looks real good Jul 27 22:39:41 Tibfib! that looks great Jul 27 22:39:51 thanks! :) Jul 27 22:40:01 I may change the background, but we'll see Jul 27 22:40:06 editable background, perhaps? Jul 27 22:40:07 haha Jul 27 22:40:14 * akanster is about to make outrageous suggestions :) Jul 27 22:40:51 IGNTNUNLMTD: probably not Jul 27 22:40:55 perhaps larger icons? I'm assuming you are using the url's favicon Jul 27 22:40:57 people will make it look ugly Jul 27 22:41:04 akanster: yeah I want bigger ones Jul 27 22:41:06 background color choices? Jul 27 22:41:07 but they are favicons Jul 27 22:41:15 I'll have to work on it more Jul 27 22:41:20 IGNTNUNLMTD: that's possible Jul 27 22:41:33 I'd use a dark red or a dark grey, personally Jul 27 22:42:01 yeah, background colors will definitely come Jul 27 22:43:51 Tibfib: Here's my code. Am I using this.$["..."] wrong? http://pastebin.com/8FUTjd02 Jul 27 22:44:15 you should probably use this.$.VFlex10 Jul 27 22:44:17 but it should still work Jul 27 22:44:32 well that's just a placeholder for a variable to be used later Jul 27 22:44:34 is "com" defined? Jul 27 22:44:39 I'll try this.$.VFlex10 Jul 27 22:44:44 Yes, it is and is being created successfully Jul 27 22:44:59 do this.$[com].render() Jul 27 22:45:14 so what's exactly the issue? Jul 27 22:45:26 it does (not?) show up in html? Jul 27 22:45:32 still undefined with this.$.VFlex10, and this.$[com].render() didn't fix it Jul 27 22:45:34 it does (not?) show up in the logging? Jul 27 22:46:00 The com component shows up in html and is created fine but when I go to create a component of VFlex10, it says undefined Jul 27 22:46:15 twbbas: can you paste the entire kind? Jul 27 22:46:19 pm and private if you want Jul 27 22:46:25 oh man Jul 27 22:46:28 there's so much code Jul 27 22:46:36 haha Jul 27 22:46:58 536 lines :S Jul 27 22:47:02 I can do it still if you want Jul 27 22:47:28 * PatrickC emailed for a status update Jul 27 22:47:59 twbbas: go for it Jul 27 22:48:06 alrighty, lol Jul 27 22:48:17 then give me a line number Jul 27 22:48:52 twbbas: hope you get it fixed Jul 27 22:49:07 Tibfib: how's koto enyo comin? Jul 27 22:49:13 it's not Jul 27 22:49:14 will NomNomNom be free? Jul 27 22:49:16 I need a Touchpad Jul 27 22:49:24 akanster: nope Jul 27 22:49:31 you capitalist pig! Jul 27 22:49:35 j/k :) Jul 27 22:49:36 hah Jul 27 22:49:48 I've spent so much time on app development without getting paid Jul 27 22:50:16 lol Jul 27 22:50:22 koto not turn out big? Jul 27 22:50:32 I guess I should share screenshots of my app in progress Jul 27 22:50:55 you would cry if I shared screenshots of mine lol Jul 27 22:51:02 * twbbas cried Jul 27 22:51:09 PatrickC: well only 2.x users can buy koto Jul 27 22:51:14 and that is only pre2 users Jul 27 22:51:18 Veer! Jul 27 22:51:24 which is a very small portion of the very small webos users Jul 27 22:51:26 true Jul 27 22:51:27 veer now Jul 27 22:51:34 which is a very small portion of the very small webos users Jul 27 22:51:38 Does it work on the TouchPad too? Jul 27 22:51:40 twbbas: yeah, sorry for the emotional distress :) Jul 27 22:51:43 koto? Jul 27 22:51:44 (in the window) Jul 27 22:51:46 yeah Jul 27 22:51:47 I don't think so Jul 27 22:51:52 I need a Touchpad to fix it Jul 27 22:51:55 why wouldn't it? Jul 27 22:51:58 can't test it in the emu Jul 27 22:52:01 it doesn't. Jul 27 22:52:09 There are some bugs with the mojo emulation window Jul 27 22:52:17 oh.. :/ Jul 27 22:52:23 cya Tibfib_ Jul 27 22:52:49 He left pretty quick. I hope nothing's wrong :( Jul 27 22:53:23 He was in the middle of looking through my code then sent a quick pm saying he had to go Jul 27 22:54:12 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6574940/Dribbble/Dribbble10.png - its a dribbble client Jul 27 22:54:23 Welp. I'm gonna take a food break and then be back. Jul 27 22:54:53 akanster: Wow! Looks amazing. What exactly is Dribble? Jul 27 22:55:16 ^^ was thinking that too Jul 27 22:55:19 it's a website for designers/artists to showcase their work in progress Jul 27 22:55:31 interesting Jul 27 22:55:33 well, brb Jul 27 22:55:52 other designers comment, they offer suggestions Jul 27 22:55:57 great community Jul 27 22:56:03 www.dribbble.com Jul 27 22:57:54 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6574940/Dribbble/Dribbble9.png - here's another Jul 27 23:01:58 akanster: pm? Jul 27 23:02:04 sure Jul 27 23:09:17 dribble app looks nice Jul 27 23:11:32 thanks Jul 27 23:12:07 heh, only sugardave had seen it before today :) Jul 27 23:21:18 akanster: ping Jul 27 23:21:53 yeah very cool akanster congrats! Jul 27 23:22:53 thanks Jul 27 23:22:55 hey PatrickC Jul 27 23:23:15 akanster: have you thought about Villo integration in your app? Jul 27 23:24:08 tbh, I haven't looked at Villo. Dunno what it is Jul 27 23:24:21 it is awesome Jul 27 23:24:33 you can do chats, leaderboards, profiles, gifts, etc. Jul 27 23:24:38 Villo! is a public bicycle rental programme in Brussels-Capital Region, Belgium. Jul 27 23:24:40 sounds good to me ;) Jul 27 23:24:46 http://dev.villo.me and http://villo.me Jul 27 23:24:47 heh Jul 27 23:24:51 dwc-: haha Jul 27 23:26:03 i want a bike Jul 27 23:26:19 http://twitter.com/#!/akanster/status/96358429345587201 - 'tis public now Jul 27 23:29:18 akanster: already rt'd ;) Jul 27 23:57:44 sugardave: pong but never mind Jul 27 23:59:02 haeffb: was going to ask you about Just Type, but I figured it out...I forgot you have to go into the prefs to add the app Jul 27 23:59:19 nerds Jul 27 23:59:24 where? Jul 27 23:59:24 NERDS! Jul 27 23:59:29 WHERE? Jul 27 23:59:48 how's the sugary daveing going? Jul 28 00:00:16 pretty well, making some good progress here Jul 28 00:00:31 heading back home tomorrow Jul 28 00:00:37 * haeffb starting my new job Jul 28 00:00:45 sweet! Jul 28 00:00:46 doing both for a bit Jul 28 00:01:03 * haeffb going to be spending a LOT of time on the road Jul 28 00:01:16 good thing I like to listen to sports talk radio Jul 28 00:01:38 er...I mean listen to self-help audio books Jul 28 00:01:45 that's worse Jul 28 00:01:48 :) Jul 28 00:05:47 wtf.. finally get a spotify invite and my usernames are taken.. Jul 28 00:07:42 grr Jul 28 00:09:56 * haeffb still pissed at the printer thing. Jul 28 00:10:16 and the "can't update your uiRevision: 2" app thing Jul 28 00:10:41 and the "trust us, we'll get your purchase numbers right. sometime. thing Jul 28 00:11:06 * haeffb blames sugardave - this all started about the same time he did Jul 28 00:13:08 back soon nerds Jul 28 00:13:34 * oil agrees, gotta be sugardaves fault Jul 28 00:13:40 anyone get in on the loaner program yet? Jul 28 00:14:45 dawm: realize that there are entire continents who had access before you Jul 28 00:14:52 yeah but its my shit Jul 28 00:15:11 just ask google, im the first hits ;p Jul 28 00:15:23 obviously you just need to change your username to laksjdlfkajsde Jul 28 00:15:36 Ha. Jul 28 00:15:40 no i used my alternative one :( Jul 28 00:15:42 dawmd Jul 28 00:16:33 sorry, I have a blame-free clause Jul 28 00:17:17 ppl always stealing my shit Jul 28 00:18:30 Throw cats at them then. Jul 28 00:19:24 (before I even attempt it, ) can I make a list scroll horizontally instead? Jul 28 00:19:51 Enyo Jul 28 00:22:57 wow, so Exhibition mode is super-easy to implement...nice Jul 28 00:23:38 akanster: no Jul 28 00:23:48 :( Jul 28 00:23:50 you'll have to roll your own horizontal scrolling list Jul 28 00:24:24 there's one that somebody did and put in the forum, but you'll have to search for it Jul 28 00:24:36 I'll look. Thanks Jul 28 00:25:20 so if you dont have spotify and you want an invite let me know Jul 28 00:26:04 * akanster used http://www.spotify.com/us/coca-cola/ and got in within a day Jul 28 00:26:17 i found one thats almost instant Jul 28 00:26:28 neat Jul 28 00:26:32 http://www.skrillex.com/spotify/ Jul 28 00:26:41 now for Google+ Jul 28 00:26:47 you need? Jul 28 00:26:48 can't believe I missed that Jul 28 00:26:51 yeah Jul 28 00:27:06 pm your email Jul 28 00:27:13 I thought they stopped allowing invites Jul 28 00:27:18 lemme look Jul 28 00:27:34 you could turn on rotation lock and turn the TouchPad sideways Jul 28 00:27:43 hahaha Jul 28 00:27:52 * haeffb is lazy like that Jul 28 00:28:35 sugardave: in enyo or mojo or both? Jul 28 00:28:55 My cousin microwaved my touchpad. :| Jul 28 00:29:27 Corn_man: common mistake. It looks like a TV dinner Jul 28 00:29:42 Ha Jul 28 00:29:54 especially with the "fried chicken" wallpaper Jul 28 00:30:04 I dislike fried chicken. Jul 28 00:30:17 haeffb: Enyo for sure, the first docs I read were for Mojo and it looks pretty easy there, too Jul 28 00:31:20 pre2 reboots faster than pre- .. i chipped a corner off my pre- the other day Jul 28 00:31:20 PSA: if I don't mention a framework, it's 99.999999999999% likely I'm talking about Enyo Jul 28 00:31:24 i really need to frankenpre Jul 28 01:23:39 hola Jul 28 01:24:02 in case you didn't see my tweet, here's webos world's review of wildn video poker http://webosworld.com/2011/07/27/wildn-video-poker-review/ Jul 28 01:30:28 fxspec06: How bout them haters tonight, huh? Jul 28 01:32:28 hater's gonna hate Jul 28 01:32:33 lovers gonna lave Jul 28 01:32:36 I guess haters Jul 28 01:32:42 god that's embarassing. Jul 28 01:33:09 great review Jul 28 01:35:15 lol hater's gonna hate Jul 28 01:35:27 thanks funkatron =) Jul 28 01:38:19 how are your sales, fxspec06? Jul 28 01:39:36 eh i don't really have anything to compare to Jul 28 01:39:48 is that a PDK app? Jul 28 01:39:49 they're not like phenominal, but they're decent Jul 28 01:39:56 nope Jul 28 01:40:02 I imagine poker is a good seller Jul 28 01:40:06 wide appeal Jul 28 01:40:11 i'm hoping to break the $100 by first month Jul 28 01:40:34 yeah i'm hoping! we shall see. Jul 28 01:42:00 nice review Jul 28 01:42:33 thanks =) yeah i need to relax Jul 28 01:42:56 out running yesterday playn wiffleball and basketball, just ate and my stomach hurts Jul 28 01:43:17 Drink some ginger ale. Jul 28 01:43:25 whiffleball is awesome Jul 28 01:43:39 there's this teeball field by my university that's perfect for whiffle Jul 28 01:43:48 it has dugouts and everything Jul 28 01:43:54 100 ft center field Jul 28 01:44:04 yeah we play on this astroturf field Jul 28 01:44:04 nice Jul 28 01:44:25 I throw crazy curveballs Jul 28 01:44:40 i can't pitch wiffleball, but i can hit and i'm a dirty fielder Jul 28 01:44:43 and i'm fast Jul 28 01:44:47 nice Jul 28 01:45:03 * fxspec06 got cut from high school JV team Jul 28 01:45:06 I remember in elem school I wanted this one type of ball so bad. It like does these crazy curves Jul 28 01:45:20 I stopped playing baseball after middle school Jul 28 01:45:26 same with soccer Jul 28 01:45:33 twbbas: get it figured out? Jul 28 01:45:34 Welcome back Tibfib Jul 28 01:45:42 Nope. I took a dinner break after you left and just got back Jul 28 01:45:46 had to do some errands too Jul 28 01:46:09 want to look at it again? :D Jul 28 01:46:39 I think I still have the tab open Jul 28 01:46:51 I can send you the link again if you don't Jul 28 01:47:25 i was a catcher. i made freshmen team, but it was rigged. the coach was this other fat catcher's dad, and he made the team before there were tryouts. the only two games our team won that year was the games i caught the whole game Jul 28 01:47:45 i threw out four out of four kids in those two games Jul 28 01:47:49 lol @ fat catcher and nice! Jul 28 01:47:52 and this one game i pinch hit and broke up this kid Jul 28 01:47:55 s no hitter Jul 28 01:47:57 and scored Jul 28 01:48:10 I was never a catcher. I pitched and played 2nd base, ss, and 3rd. Jul 28 01:48:17 wow nice Jul 28 01:48:51 w.e. holy name sucks at sports anyways. i had my private league, and i have my championship trophies =D Jul 28 01:49:23 lol Jul 28 01:49:33 I wasn't a heavy hitter but I barely struckout and was a good bunter. The coach always put me at lead off or 2nd since I usually hit the ball. Jul 28 01:49:39 twbbas: I have no idea why it doesn't work Jul 28 01:49:48 Tibfib: Well, thanks for looking at it Jul 28 01:49:57 It seems like it should work, heh Jul 28 01:49:58 it looks fine Jul 28 01:50:23 I'll let you know what the problem was when I figure it out Jul 28 01:54:33 http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/job-fails-nerdiest-protester-ever.jpg Jul 28 02:02:29 twbbas, IGNTNUNLMTD, have you guys had any issues with viewing specific feeds? Jul 28 02:02:34 nope Jul 28 02:02:46 nope Jul 28 02:02:52 mmkay, thanks! Jul 28 02:03:25 Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? :( http://pastebin.com/D6hxtiyX Jul 28 02:03:34 [ENYO] ^ Jul 28 02:06:05 a nice way to do enyo prefs: http://pastebin.com/HXSrRhj7 Jul 28 02:06:21 with encapsulation Jul 28 02:08:11 that is nice Jul 28 02:09:22 yeah, I took a bit from underscore Jul 28 02:09:33 or, I modeled it after underscore Jul 28 02:09:51 * Tibfib adds it to webos101 Jul 28 02:09:59 good one Jul 28 02:12:04 Tibfib: Have you seen this method - http://blog.technisode.com/post/7873407120/enyo-daily-1-preferences Jul 28 02:12:30 interesting Jul 28 02:12:35 system prefs? Jul 28 02:14:18 looks like it Jul 28 02:40:52 finally allowed Jul 28 02:44:02 lies Jul 28 02:44:14 who's dkirker? Jul 28 02:44:28 palm employee Jul 28 02:44:38 oh. Jul 28 02:46:08 contractor still? Jul 28 02:46:26 Not sure, don't think so though. Jul 28 02:46:44 * webOSNewbie wouldn't know anyway Jul 28 02:46:59 a liar filled with lying Jul 28 02:47:10 What? Jul 28 02:47:16 EXACTLY Jul 28 02:47:44 * webOSNewbie is confused: I'm confused. Jul 28 02:48:04 assuming hp hasn't changed things, you can tell from the color his badge Jul 28 02:48:30 How would you find that? Jul 28 02:48:41 I think their all the same badges now. Jul 28 02:48:54 halfhalo would see it when he sees people around the buildings Jul 28 02:49:01 :cmon: Jul 28 02:49:07 How do you see badges? Jul 28 02:49:21 this isn't xbox live, son, they wear them ;) Jul 28 02:49:31 webOSNewbie: we are talking about physical badges... Jul 28 02:49:33 What's XBox Live? Jul 28 02:49:50 * halfhalo-work gets the fire Jul 28 02:49:58 Never had a video game console Jul 28 02:50:14 Execept for plug-n-plays Jul 28 02:50:38 ... Jul 28 02:50:44 .... Jul 28 02:53:08 is that rwatkins ? Jul 28 02:53:22 ? Jul 28 02:54:06 >.< Jul 28 02:54:08 http://pastebin.com/D6hxtiyX <--- Enyo Troubles Jul 28 02:54:33 Tibfib: just verifying you got my email Jul 28 02:54:34 twbbas: try a name withhout numbers Jul 28 02:54:36 the "technisodes" ? Jul 28 02:54:57 summatusmentis: not yet Jul 28 02:55:09 oh, I sent it a couple of hours ago Jul 28 02:55:12 weird Jul 28 02:55:14 hmmmm Jul 28 02:55:17 to tibfib1? Jul 28 02:55:24 Tibfib: Same error Jul 28 02:55:31 * Tibfib throws hands up Jul 28 02:55:37 Heyyyyy oh! Jul 28 02:55:46 throw your hands up in the air! Jul 28 02:56:03 are there any domains that have more than one extra .xx? .co.uk ? Jul 28 02:56:06 well, quoting a song won't help me fix my problem Jul 28 02:56:09 Tibfib: yar Jul 28 02:56:35 8:51 pm, EST Jul 28 02:56:39 hrm Jul 28 02:56:50 google.com.tw Jul 28 02:57:01 any that have two Jul 28 02:57:06 Tibfib: thats a sorta vague question .. there are lots depending on what you count as a second level Jul 28 02:57:07 .com.tw.blah Jul 28 02:57:22 rwatkins: I'm bad at explaining when I don't know technical names Jul 28 02:57:25 east.us.com Jul 28 02:57:28 well I'm just bad at explaining Jul 28 02:57:45 depends on what you mean by "extra" Jul 28 02:57:52 foo.bar.baz.ryanwatkins.net - thats lots. Jul 28 02:57:59 You could register com.net.hi at .com Jul 28 02:58:01 I think he means anything after the .com part Jul 28 02:58:06 YES Jul 28 02:58:08 that I do Jul 28 02:58:13 google.com.blah1.blah2.blah3 Jul 28 02:58:14 like that Jul 28 02:58:15 I know about subdomains Jul 28 02:58:17 yeah Jul 28 02:58:21 register good.com.fart at .im Jul 28 02:58:21 well I could have tibfib.com.sucks.my.balls.com ;) Jul 28 02:58:22 thanks twbbas :) Jul 28 02:58:28 hello? Jul 28 02:58:29 the owner of "blah3" can put any subdomains they feel like. Jul 28 02:58:29 I'm 12 Jul 28 02:58:32 is the first com "extra" or not? Jul 28 02:58:33 dwc-: that's cheating Jul 28 02:58:41 can I have a if/else statement do 3 things? Jul 28 02:58:43 dwc-: do you have balls.com Jul 28 02:58:48 ? Jul 28 02:58:49 I'm only 12 Jul 28 02:58:55 if { } else if { } else { } Jul 28 02:58:59 PatrickC: Like If () Else if () else () Jul 28 02:59:04 Tibfib: nope Jul 28 02:59:07 yes Jul 28 02:59:10 Togo decides they want to have a nice 5 level deep organizaion of subdomains, the ycan do it. Jul 28 02:59:18 And Or XOR Nand Nor Not NXOR Jul 28 02:59:49 * PatrickC might (probably will) be a contributor on WOW **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 02:59:57 2011