**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 02:59:57 2011
Jul 28 03:00:00 <webOSNewbie> wow?
Jul 28 03:00:02 <twbbas> the mmo or website?
Jul 28 03:00:05 <PatrickC> webos world
Jul 28 03:00:09 <twbbas> gotcha
Jul 28 03:00:23 <Tibfib> shmeh, I think I'll just keep my regex to check for two: .\w+.*\w*$
Jul 28 03:00:30 <twbbas> PatrickC: Be sure to write good things about me
Jul 28 03:00:31 <Tibfib> (escaping the .'s)
Jul 28 03:00:43 <PatrickC> twbbas: I need good things to write ;)
Jul 28 03:00:44 <haeffb> vudu plays awesomely on the TP
Jul 28 03:01:00 * PatrickC is kidding
Jul 28 03:01:10 <rwatkins> Tibfib: what are you checking for?
Jul 28 03:01:28 <Tibfib> I want to get rid of the .com or .co.uk of a string
Jul 28 03:01:32 * PatrickC sent a status update today...
Jul 28 03:01:51 <halfhalo-work> lulz
Jul 28 03:01:51 <dwc-> Tibfib: why?
Jul 28 03:01:51 <twbbas> Dev Rel people are overworked!
Jul 28 03:02:00 <PatrickC> I was told to! lol
Jul 28 03:02:06 <PatrickC> dkirker told me to
Jul 28 03:02:29 <rwatkins> Tibfib: ya, good luck w/ that ...
Jul 28 03:02:30 <PatrickC> "@awesomeapps_ Please email @webosdev at pdc@palm.com and ask for a status update. /via @dkirker"
Jul 28 03:02:35 * webOSNewbie wishes he new people at Palm/HP
Jul 28 03:02:44 <halfhalo-work> hah
Jul 28 03:02:46 <webOSNewbie> all I know is my Dad
Jul 28 03:02:48 <PatrickC> you know halfhalo-work
Jul 28 03:02:56 * halfhalo-work doesn't exist
Jul 28 03:03:02 <PatrickC> who?
Jul 28 03:03:09 <twbbas> PatrickC: What are the chances you'll get a reply? Less than 10%?
Jul 28 03:03:19 <PatrickC> for what?
Jul 28 03:03:23 <twbbas> to your email
Jul 28 03:03:38 <rwatkins> particularly with utf8 domain names.
Jul 28 03:03:39 <PatrickC> eh, I did as I was told
Jul 28 03:03:42 <dwc-> Tibfib: are you trying to canonicalize amazon.com and amazon.co.uk to the same thing for something?
Jul 28 03:03:44 <twbbas> <--- doesn't get replies except from Adora ;)
Jul 28 03:03:51 <PatrickC> I emailed it directly to chuq, and to pdc
Jul 28 03:03:59 <webOSNewbie> I miss Borders
Jul 28 03:04:04 <webOSNewbie> great bookstore
Jul 28 03:04:06 * PatrickC had 3 or 4 emails for chuq... 3 direct, and pdc
Jul 28 03:04:15 <dwc-> I dno't miss borders spamming my email with their stupid rewards program
Jul 28 03:04:16 * haeffb hates the scrollbars in ubuntu 11.04
Jul 28 03:04:24 <webOSNewbie> I like them
Jul 28 03:04:30 <twbbas> Blockbuster's gonna be the new Borders
Jul 28 03:04:38 <webOSNewbie> In what way?
Jul 28 03:04:48 <PatrickC> haeffb: I like 'em
Jul 28 03:04:56 <PatrickC> Borders? lol
Jul 28 03:05:05 <twbbas> in that they are gonna go out of business too
Jul 28 03:05:08 <haeffb> I might if I used a mouse. Very annoying on a laptop/touchpad
Jul 28 03:05:16 <PatrickC> ah true
Jul 28 03:05:17 <Tibfib> dwc-: because for some reason, google's feed search doesn't show up for precentral.net, but for precentral
Jul 28 03:05:18 <twbbas> I had 5 blockbusters within 20 miles of me. Now, only 1.
Jul 28 03:05:22 <webOSNewbie> oh.
Jul 28 03:05:39 <webOSNewbie> I still have one
Jul 28 03:05:43 <webOSNewbie> Like before
Jul 28 03:05:51 * PatrickC uses Netflix
Jul 28 03:05:58 <webOSNewbie> Even with Redbox at Walgreens across the street
Jul 28 03:06:08 * webOSNewbie likes Hulu
Jul 28 03:06:09 <dwc-> tibfib: you're searching by domain names?
Jul 28 03:06:23 <Tibfib> umm
Jul 28 03:06:23 <rwatkins> DVDs are dead.  streaming FTW.
Jul 28 03:06:37 <Tibfib> dwc-: in nomnomnom, there is a textbox for users to add feeds
Jul 28 03:06:43 <PatrickC> rwatkins: yes!
Jul 28 03:06:45 <Tibfib> you can search for feeds or add a feed by url
Jul 28 03:06:59 <Tibfib> the search doesn't like you adding domain ends
Jul 28 03:07:05 <Tibfib> precentral.net has no results
Jul 28 03:07:09 <Tibfib> precentral has results
Jul 28 03:07:14 <summatusmentis> rwatkins: unfortunately, there are people who still have 256k DSL
Jul 28 03:07:19 <Tibfib> regex: /\.\w{1,3}\.*\w{0,2}$/ig
Jul 28 03:07:22 <haeffb> oh, wait. "Edge scrolling"
Jul 28 03:07:24 <summatusmentis> let alone dial-up
Jul 28 03:07:24 * PatrickC cries
Jul 28 03:07:29 <webOSNewbie> I don't do internet movies often, becuase our internet is so slow, Quest carries it only becuase we renew the price
Jul 28 03:07:31 <rwatkins> summatusmentis: only in backwards countries like rural US.
Jul 28 03:07:39 <summatusmentis> yes
Jul 28 03:07:52 <summatusmentis> but Neftlix only exists in these backwards countries :)
Jul 28 03:08:13 <webOSNewbie> What defines rural?
Jul 28 03:08:14 <rwatkins> Netflix is quickly killing off its own DVD business.
Jul 28 03:08:20 <webOSNewbie> I'm not on a lot of maps
Jul 28 03:08:21 * haeffb lives in rural US
Jul 28 03:08:40 <rwatkins> they very clearly dont give a damn about their DVD business anymore and its all about streaming.
Jul 28 03:08:49 * PatrickC is in rural US
Jul 28 03:08:51 * Tibfib lives in a small-town
Jul 28 03:09:02 <summatusmentis> rwatkins: clearly :-/
Jul 28 03:09:02 <PatrickC> my town has about 2,000
Jul 28 03:09:12 <haeffb> but I have fiber running past my house
Jul 28 03:09:18 <halfhalo-work> my town is in the millions
Jul 28 03:09:20 <dwc-> maybe just search on the domain part from the front then?
Jul 28 03:09:21 <rwatkins> you can also play your old 78 records still too, but .. the future is coming whether you want it or not.
Jul 28 03:09:21 * webOSNewbie lives in a small town, but wonders if it is rural
Jul 28 03:09:53 <PatrickC> brb
Jul 28 03:09:59 <rwatkins> you dont tend to make alot of money on dying businesses.  Netflix knows what its doing.
Jul 28 03:10:23 <rwatkins> see, say Apple vs Nokia.
Jul 28 03:10:27 <dwc-> netflix is monetizing both
Jul 28 03:10:36 <dwc-> there are plenty of people that love each business line still
Jul 28 03:10:40 * haeffb can't find any way to revert to old scrollbars in ubuntu
Jul 28 03:10:49 <webOSNewbie> Revert to old Gnome
Jul 28 03:10:58 <rwatkins> Netflix makes its money on DVDs *today*. in 2-3 years I think its likley all but gone.
Jul 28 03:11:01 <webOSNewbie> oldversion.com i think
Jul 28 03:11:17 <webOSNewbie> We have no Blu-Ray player
Jul 28 03:11:23 <webOSNewbie> Just VCR and DVD
Jul 28 03:11:31 <webOSNewbie> yay.
Jul 28 03:11:45 <halfhalo-work> haha.
Jul 28 03:12:06 <webOSNewbie> I hate active-shutter TVs
Jul 28 03:12:08 * halfhalo-work has amany bluray playing stuff
Jul 28 03:12:12 <webOSNewbie> killer on my eyes
Jul 28 03:12:13 * haeffb has a blu-ray player, but I never play blu-rays
Jul 28 03:12:14 <rwatkins> have no blue ray player, and only DVD is in the xbox.  But then I also dont play DVDs much anymore/  :)
Jul 28 03:12:32 <haeffb> the blu-ray player works great streaming netflix and vudu
Jul 28 03:12:35 <webOSNewbie> I don't do 3D, period
Jul 28 03:12:39 <webOSNewbie> Hurts
Jul 28 03:12:41 <webOSNewbie> eyes
Jul 28 03:12:49 <halfhalo-work> bluray!=3d
Jul 28 03:12:56 * haeffb used to own netflix stock
Jul 28 03:13:38 <Tibfib> halfhalo: don't be a fool
Jul 28 03:14:09 <webOSNewbie> sigh.
Jul 28 03:14:16 <webOSNewbie> no stock.
Jul 28 03:14:21 <haeffb> sold it at $60, now its $260
Jul 28 03:14:40 <Tibfib> sigh
Jul 28 03:14:43 * webOSNewbie thinks he wants to wet himself
Jul 28 03:15:03 * webOSNewbie going to, not want
Jul 28 03:15:13 <halfhalo-work> ...
Jul 28 03:15:13 <Tibfib> those are the kind of posts you keep to yourself.
Jul 28 03:15:31 <webOSNewbie> I didn;t?
Jul 28 03:17:22 <webOSNewbie> Am I the only one from Colorado?
Jul 28 03:17:51 <halfhalo-work> how the hell should we know?
Jul 28 03:18:05 <webOSNewbie> uh...
Jul 28 03:18:07 <webOSNewbie> language
Jul 28 03:18:13 <haeffb> no, there are millions of people from colorado
Jul 28 03:18:21 <webOSNewbie> only one here
Jul 28 03:18:22 <haeffb> like, look around
Jul 28 03:18:24 <Tibfib> hahaahahahahahahahhaahha
Jul 28 03:18:49 <webOSNewbie> Am I the only person in chatroom from Colorado?
Jul 28 03:18:53 <halfhalo-work> wow... just... wow...
Jul 28 03:19:15 <Tibfib> what's the irc funny posts website?
Jul 28 03:19:21 <Tibfib> xhbd or something
Jul 28 03:19:27 <halfhalo-work> bash.org or qdb.us
Jul 28 03:19:30 <Tibfib> oh. yeah
Jul 28 03:19:36 <haeffb> http://bash.org
Jul 28 03:19:48 <webOSNewbie> com.com
Jul 28 03:19:53 <rwatkins> Spotify - "Cell Phone?"  options are "Android, Symbian, Windows Mobile, Apple iPhone, Blackberry, LG, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, and ... Other".
Jul 28 03:20:08 <webOSNewbie> WHAT!!!????
Jul 28 03:20:12 <halfhalo-work> I need a symbian phone.
Jul 28 03:20:16 <rwatkins> like they dont even realize .. THEY HAVE A webOS Version!
Jul 28 03:20:17 <haeffb> nonymous: I once sort-of-stalked a girl like this. It was all going great, she opened up her ThinkPad, loaded up Debian etc. I was seriously considering telling her I love her but then she opened Opera and I walked away disappointed.
Jul 28 03:20:21 <twbbas> It's not the first time webOS wasn't on a list
Jul 28 03:20:33 <twbbas> Google lists webOS next to the dumbphones on their mobile page
Jul 28 03:20:35 <webOSNewbie> Ugh.
Jul 28 03:20:40 <webOSNewbie> dumbos
Jul 28 03:20:43 <rwatkins> sure, but with all those other options.
Jul 28 03:20:50 <twbbas> http://www.google.com/mobile/
Jul 28 03:20:54 <haeffb> damn, you, Tibfib. I will now be on bash.org all night.
Jul 28 03:21:05 <halfhalo-work> qdb is better.  more quotes :p
Jul 28 03:21:07 <Tibfib> hahaahahahahaha
Jul 28 03:21:07 <rwatkins> I'm used to it not being there in a list of 3-5 ... but when you actually have an app for webOS.  my god.
Jul 28 03:21:37 <haeffb> it says QDB right at the top...
Jul 28 03:21:50 <Tibfib> http://bash.org/?99060
Jul 28 03:22:16 <twbbas> Tibfib: lmao
Jul 28 03:22:18 <webOSNewbie> where can I find Mojo CSS?
Jul 28 03:22:19 <twbbas> I love bash
Jul 28 03:22:23 <halfhalo-work> qdb is a different site.
Jul 28 03:22:35 <webOSNewbie> excess flood?
Jul 28 03:22:39 <twbbas> back in the day I had a bash bot on IRC back in the day
Jul 28 03:22:44 <webOSNewbie> where can I find Mojo CSS?
Jul 28 03:22:46 <twbbas> woah, I said back in the day twice
Jul 28 03:23:18 <Tibfib> http://bash.org/?835030
Jul 28 03:23:49 <twbbas> lolol
Jul 28 03:24:29 <Tibfib> http://bash.org/?349567
Jul 28 03:24:39 <Tibfib> arg, I need to stop if I'm going to get anything done
Jul 28 03:25:02 <webOSNewbie> where can I find Mojo CSS?
Jul 28 03:25:19 <halfhalo-work> "You damn kids! get off mah lawn!"
Jul 28 03:25:26 <webOSNewbie> wah.
Jul 28 03:25:29 <webOSNewbie> you saw me.
Jul 28 03:26:39 <webOSNewbie> actually, it's 9:21pm here
Jul 28 03:26:50 <Tibfib> and last one of the day: http://bash.org/?400459
Jul 28 03:27:22 <webOSNewbie> hi sugardave
Jul 28 03:27:23 <halfhalo-work> dammit sugardave, its all your fault.
Jul 28 03:27:28 <webOSNewbie> what is?
Jul 28 03:27:45 <funkatron> HSSSS SSSSS
Jul 28 03:27:53 <webOSNewbie> Um...
Jul 28 03:27:58 <webOSNewbie> nit catching drift
Jul 28 03:27:59 <webOSNewbie> not
Jul 28 03:30:18 <webOSNewbie> Hi sugardave
Jul 28 03:31:34 <haeffb> funkatron: lol
Jul 28 03:31:46 <haeffb> dang, I'm about to die laughing..
Jul 28 03:32:11 * webOSNewbie is going to die of confusedness
Jul 28 03:32:23 <halfhalo-work> two birds!
Jul 28 03:32:49 <funkatron> webOSNewbie: http://bash.org/?400459
Jul 28 03:33:49 <webOSNewbie> oh.
Jul 28 03:33:53 <twbbas> http://bash.org/?416857
Jul 28 03:34:02 <twbbas> it's a long one but hilarious
Jul 28 03:34:16 * webOSNewbie is eating all your links
Jul 28 03:34:38 <halfhalo-work> lol
Jul 28 03:34:39 <webOSNewbie> didn;t read twbbas' link
Jul 28 03:34:43 <webOSNewbie> language
Jul 28 03:34:44 <funkatron> hahah nice
Jul 28 03:34:47 <halfhalo-work> ...
Jul 28 03:34:55 <funkatron> welp
Jul 28 03:34:58 <twbbas> webOSNewbie: You don't speak English?
Jul 28 03:35:07 <twbbas> ;)
Jul 28 03:35:07 <webOSNewbie> crude language
Jul 28 03:35:12 <halfhalo-work> bazing!
Jul 28 03:36:56 <webOSNewbie> lol
Jul 28 03:37:08 <webOSNewbie> little brother fell on 20Q 360
Jul 28 03:37:12 <webOSNewbie> on bed
Jul 28 03:38:01 <Tibfib> twbbas: loll
Jul 28 03:38:36 * twbbas is gonna punch enyo in the face
Jul 28 03:38:43 <webOSNewbie> why?
Jul 28 03:38:49 <halfhalo-work> heh http://bash.org/?154519
Jul 28 03:38:59 <twbbas> because it hates dynamically created kinds
Jul 28 03:39:09 * halfhalo-work is contractually obligated to say enyo is awesome
Jul 28 03:39:22 <twbbas> it's only awesome if it works!
Jul 28 03:39:23 <webOSNewbie> kinds?
Jul 28 03:39:31 <webOSNewbie> read http://bash.org/?154519
Jul 28 03:39:37 <webOSNewbie> no reaction
Jul 28 03:39:46 <twbbas> cool kid
Jul 28 03:40:02 <twbbas> halfhalo-work: Late night at work, eh?
Jul 28 03:40:23 <summatusmentis> webOSNewbie: kinds are (as I understand it), the enyo equivalent of classes
Jul 28 03:40:32 <halfhalo-work> no, but the mbp doesn't run through the bouncer which resets every 3 minutes
Jul 28 03:40:33 <twbbas> are you sleeping there because they couldn't find you a pad?
Jul 28 03:40:38 <halfhalo-work> and.... I'm lazy
Jul 28 03:40:44 <twbbas> lol
Jul 28 03:40:51 <halfhalo-work> no, they found me a place.  with a fireplace.  and pool.
Jul 28 03:40:58 <twbbas> Nice!
Jul 28 03:40:58 <Tibfib> and a hottub
Jul 28 03:41:07 <halfhalo-work> mebe
Jul 28 03:41:16 <summatusmentis> and 50 migrant laborers already living there
Jul 28 03:41:30 <summatusmentis> that was offensive, I apologize
Jul 28 03:42:01 <twbbas> Now we all get say 1 offensive thing to summatusmentis
Jul 28 03:42:03 <webOSNewbie> spaced out
Jul 28 03:42:05 <Tibfib> hahah
Jul 28 03:42:05 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Your name is too long
Jul 28 03:42:06 <sugardave> twbbas: you're doing it wrong
Jul 28 03:42:07 <halfhalo-work> DAMMIT.  My response to that makes fun of socal, and I like socal!
Jul 28 03:42:17 <webOSNewbie> socal?
Jul 28 03:42:18 <sugardave> dynamically created kinds are Awe Sum
Jul 28 03:42:24 <twbbas> sugardave: What am I doing wrong? ;) http://pastebin.com/D6hxtiyX
Jul 28 03:42:29 <webOSNewbie> wouldn't know
Jul 28 03:42:43 <halfhalo-work> there all dynamic, yo.
Jul 28 03:43:09 <summatusmentis> twbbas: you wouldn't! I'm calling the police, that's hate speech
Jul 28 03:43:19 <webOSNewbie> hate speech?
Jul 28 03:43:29 <twbbas> webOSNewbie: Speech that people hate
Jul 28 03:43:29 <sugardave> twbbas: my man, you need an owner: this on that bad boy
Jul 28 03:43:44 <summatusmentis> twbbas: webOSNewbie: more like speech that is hateful
Jul 28 03:43:45 <webOSNewbie> people thought I was racist becuase I didn't like Obama
Jul 28 03:43:57 <twbbas> sugardave: I don't want VFlex10 to be under this, I want it to be under com
Jul 28 03:44:30 <sugardave> twbbas: then you wouldn't be able to access it as this.$.VFlex10
Jul 28 03:44:32 <sugardave> anyway
Jul 28 03:44:40 <twbbas> sugardave: How do I access it then?
Jul 28 03:44:57 <halfhalo-work> BAD NODE SCRIPT!  BAD!  THAT IS NOT THE CORRECT DIRECTORY TO REMOVE
Jul 28 03:45:04 <webOSNewbie> I think you need a dummy variable
Jul 28 03:45:28 <sugardave> twbbas: well, first, WHY don't you want the component where this code resides to own that kind?
Jul 28 03:46:15 <halfhalo-work> aaannndddd there goes my vm
Jul 28 03:46:24 <twbbas> sugardave: I want VFlex10 to be a child of com. Eventually, I'm going to createComponents for HFlex1 + a but I was getting undefined there too
Jul 28 03:46:27 <webOSNewbie> What happened?
Jul 28 03:46:41 <webOSNewbie> to halfhalo
Jul 28 03:46:49 <twbbas> sugardave: It is all because com is the name of the pane for the kinds to be under
Jul 28 03:47:13 <halfhalo-work> rm -fr *.* in vm
Jul 28 03:47:18 <funkatron> he's dead
Jul 28 03:47:19 <funkatron> oh dude
Jul 28 03:47:26 <funkatron> the old *.* mistake
Jul 28 03:47:32 <sugardave> twbbas: to what purpose?  if you want it that way, then keep it as you have, but the kind.js for com is where you access this.$.VFlex10
Jul 28 03:47:32 <funkatron> *shakes head*
Jul 28 03:47:48 <funkatron> this ain't DOS 5 brah
Jul 28 03:47:49 <rwatkins> ha!
Jul 28 03:47:55 <rwatkins> havent seen that one in a while
Jul 28 03:47:58 <halfhalo-work> funkatron: yeah... oh well.  it was a vm only
Jul 28 03:48:12 <sugardave> last time I accidentally the whole thing I lost all my pictures/media on my Pre -
Jul 28 03:48:14 <funkatron> yeah
Jul 28 03:48:15 <sugardave> it was a sad day indeed
Jul 28 03:48:23 <webOSNewbie> happens to me
Jul 28 03:48:26 <twbbas> sugardave: Is there a way to reference VFlex10 and HFlex1 + a when they are childs of com?
Jul 28 03:48:36 <webOSNewbie> computer fails every year
Jul 28 03:48:43 <webOSNewbie> i tinker too much
Jul 28 03:48:45 <sugardave> define methods to access them in com, then call those methods on com
Jul 28 03:48:51 <halfhalo-work> lol
Jul 28 03:48:55 <funkatron> so when I started my first job at Purdue, about 10 years ago, the sysadmin on duty tried to assign me perms for my home dir via `chown coj:blah *.*`
Jul 28 03:49:09 <funkatron> when the senior sysadmin came back from his vacation, I owned half of his home directory
Jul 28 03:49:14 <sugardave> hahaha
Jul 28 03:49:15 <twbbas> sugardave: oh man, I am soooo lost. Is this written up anywhere?
Jul 28 03:49:29 <halfhalo-work> my schools main servers are so crappy they don't HAVE chown
Jul 28 03:49:38 <funkatron> welp 8D\
Jul 28 03:49:42 <sugardave> twbbas: so...look, maybe there is some confusion on children and what you are actually trying to do
Jul 28 03:50:20 <sugardave> we don't really have children/parent relationships...it's more owner/container/manager
Jul 28 03:50:29 <funkatron> I'm your Daddy
Jul 28 03:50:32 <sugardave> so, say you have a main display kind
Jul 28 03:50:39 <halfhalo-work> hmm.  i dunno where i'm going to be tomorrow.  may be going up to shiny SF
Jul 28 03:50:40 <sugardave> and it's just a vflexbox
Jul 28 03:51:02 <sugardave> and it's components have other things defined in the block, they are contained and owned by display
Jul 28 03:51:36 <sugardave> now if one of those kinds has a components block, they are still owned by display, but are contained in the "parent"
Jul 28 03:52:03 <sugardave> so, what that lets you do, is access that 2nd level of kinds with this.$ from display
Jul 28 03:52:29 <twbbas> but not the 3rd level?
Jul 28 03:52:34 <webOSNewbie> how do I make text bold in CSS?
Jul 28 03:52:34 <sugardave> when you use createComponent, you are making the new component be owned and contained by the component you called it on
Jul 28 03:52:37 <webOSNewbie> how do I make text bold in CSS?
Jul 28 03:52:53 <haeffb> font-weight
Jul 28 03:53:11 <sugardave> so, what you PROBABLY want to do is specify owner: this (display, in my example) and you will be able to access it as this.$.newComponent or whatever name
Jul 28 03:53:24 <rwatkins> <b>text</b>
Jul 28 03:53:30 <webOSNewbie> font-weight: bold?
Jul 28 03:53:48 <rwatkins> <font size="5">text</font>
Jul 28 03:53:49 <twbbas> sugardave: Gotcha. and it'll still be "contained" by whatever it's a component of?
Jul 28 03:53:54 <sugardave> right
Jul 28 03:54:00 <twbbas> that makes so... much... sense
Jul 28 03:54:02 <webOSNewbie> rwatkins: too oldschool
Jul 28 03:54:14 * twbbas needs his own personal SWAT team
Jul 28 03:54:18 <sugardave> heh
Jul 28 03:54:28 * halfhalo-work has a swat team
Jul 28 03:54:34 <twbbas> *jealous*
Jul 28 03:54:38 <rwatkins> you want old school then its <center>text</center>
Jul 28 03:54:39 <sugardave> is the swat team ;)
Jul 28 03:54:43 <sugardave> well part anyway
Jul 28 03:54:49 <rwatkins> from before there was even tables.
Jul 28 03:54:54 <sugardave> haha
Jul 28 03:54:58 * webOSNewbie has SWAT equipment
Jul 28 03:55:00 <sugardave> <center> worked in Mojo
Jul 28 03:55:02 <webOSNewbie> squirt gun
Jul 28 03:55:02 <halfhalo-work> http://bash.org/?853345
Jul 28 03:55:05 <sugardave> probably still works
Jul 28 03:55:06 <webOSNewbie> swatter
Jul 28 03:55:10 <webOSNewbie> napkins
Jul 28 03:55:19 <LoneStar99> good evening all
Jul 28 03:55:43 <webOSNewbie> <ceneter> does work
Jul 28 03:55:47 <webOSNewbie> tried before
Jul 28 03:55:57 <sugardave> ooo, try <blink>!
Jul 28 03:55:59 <rwatkins> ha, nice. probably all kinds of old stuff lurking in there I imagine.
Jul 28 03:56:16 <webOSNewbie> <blink> was an awesome Netscape easter egg!
Jul 28 03:56:22 <halfhalo-work> <marquee>!
Jul 28 03:56:24 <twbbas> halfhalo-work: LOL
Jul 28 03:56:25 <webOSNewbie> ie
Jul 28 03:56:34 <webOSNewbie> Internet Exposer
Jul 28 03:56:55 <funkatron> boom
Jul 28 03:56:55 * halfhalo-work is rocking ie10
Jul 28 03:57:06 <webOSNewbie> yuck
Jul 28 03:57:12 <sugardave> okay, time to go outside again...bbl
Jul 28 03:57:12 <webOSNewbie> go firefox
Jul 28 03:57:23 <webOSNewbie> outside...
Jul 28 03:57:25 <halfhalo-work> sugardave: I'm so sorry
Jul 28 03:57:28 <webOSNewbie> what is this new concept?
Jul 28 03:57:40 <webOSNewbie> outside?
Jul 28 03:58:20 <funkatron> hah
Jul 28 03:58:34 <twbbas> sugardave is amazing at enyo. That is all.
Jul 28 03:58:41 <twbbas> that is all I have to say*
Jul 28 03:58:49 <twbbas> not that is all he's amazing at
Jul 28 03:58:49 <webOSNewbie> I wish I was
Jul 28 03:58:57 <webOSNewbie> then I would rock Mojo
Jul 28 03:59:04 <webOSNewbie> which I don't
Jul 28 03:59:07 <webOSNewbie> close
Jul 28 03:59:12 <twbbas> being good at enyo doesn't mean you'd be good at mojo
Jul 28 03:59:22 <webOSNewbie> I'd understand it better
Jul 28 03:59:36 <webOSNewbie> that enyo code made me dizzy
Jul 28 03:59:45 <twbbas> eh, not so much, really. It's pretty much completely different than mojo
Jul 28 03:59:46 <halfhalo-work> lol
Jul 28 03:59:56 <twbbas> I prefer enyo over mojo
Jul 28 04:00:02 * rwatkins is amazed that the new hotness jquery mobile is much like mojo.  Like .. why go that route?
Jul 28 04:00:14 <webOSNewbie> yah
Jul 28 04:02:01 <twbbas> ooo new update from Tibfib! He's really working fast on NomNomNom ;)
Jul 28 04:03:56 <haeffb> http://bash.org/?14207
Jul 28 04:04:02 <haeffb> webOSNewbie: don't read that.
Jul 28 04:04:04 <funkatron> the new hot
Jul 28 04:04:21 <twbbas> haeffb: lol
Jul 28 04:08:21 * webOSNewbie got yelled at agian
Jul 28 04:08:45 <twbbas> He also leaves the same way
Jul 28 04:09:19 <funkatron> welp
Jul 28 04:09:58 <halfhalo-work> yay! hes gone!
Jul 28 04:10:02 <funkatron> hey now
Jul 28 04:10:18 <funkatron> :cmon:
Jul 28 04:10:19 <twbbas> wow I can tell it's late. I didn't notice that I said also instead of always when I read it over like 3 times.
Jul 28 04:10:37 <funkatron> he gets yelled at?
Jul 28 04:11:22 <twbbas> Yep
Jul 28 04:11:40 <funkatron> well
Jul 28 04:11:43 <funkatron> he is 12.
Jul 28 04:11:49 <twbbas> Probably hit his bedtime
Jul 28 04:11:57 <twbbas> 10PM his time
Jul 28 04:12:03 <halfhalo-work> lol
Jul 28 04:12:09 <twbbas> I was going to sleep by 9:30 when I was his age
Jul 28 04:12:17 <funkatron> man, 10p should be MY bedtime
Jul 28 04:12:19 <twbbas> Maybe not so much in the summer I guess
Jul 28 04:12:27 <funkatron> so tired
Jul 28 04:12:28 * PatrickC walks in
Jul 28 04:12:46 <twbbas> PatrickC!
Jul 28 04:12:51 * PatrickC hides
Jul 28 04:12:55 <rwatkins> funny how you go from "i dont wanna sleep" to "wish I could get more sleep".
Jul 28 04:13:03 <PatrickC> twbbas: yes?
Jul 28 04:13:24 <twbbas> PatrickC: sugardave was the master (as always) and taught me about enyo. I now understand what I was doing wrong!!!
Jul 28 04:13:33 <funkatron> yeah. sure does go like that tho
Jul 28 04:13:34 <PatrickC> cool!!
Jul 28 04:13:39 <funkatron> okay I'm out
Jul 28 04:13:43 <funkatron> night fellers
Jul 28 04:13:47 <twbbas> Cya
Jul 28 04:14:23 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 28 04:14:30 <PatrickC> time to work
Jul 28 04:14:32 <twbbas> No more pain with panes!
Jul 28 04:14:40 <twbbas> Yup, same here
Jul 28 04:14:53 <fxspec06> hi patrickc!
Jul 28 04:14:58 <fxspec06> k goodnight everyone
Jul 28 04:15:06 * twbbas loads up Spotify to his coding playlist
Jul 28 04:15:10 <twbbas> Goodnight
Jul 28 04:15:27 <fxspec06> later twbbas
Jul 28 04:16:19 <PatrickC> http://t.co/Qi3JOBS
Jul 28 04:16:20 <PatrickC> wow
Jul 28 04:16:30 <PatrickC> cya fxspec06_
Jul 28 04:16:36 <PatrickC> twbbas: coding playlist? lol
Jul 28 04:16:52 <akanster> yo' momma is so dumb, she uses Mojo!
Jul 28 04:16:58 <summatusmentis> you don't listen to specific music when you code PatrickC?
Jul 28 04:16:59 <akanster> zing!
Jul 28 04:17:15 <PatrickC> summatusmentis: nope
Jul 28 04:17:27 <summatusmentis> huh, interesting
Jul 28 04:17:50 <summatusmentis> I listen to slow/complexe/soundscape type music
Jul 28 04:18:00 <summatusmentis> nothing that'll distract me away, but that has interesting stuff
Jul 28 04:18:04 * twbbas listens to techno
Jul 28 04:18:15 * PatrickC only listens to Christian
Jul 28 04:18:54 <twbbas> PatrickC: You're such a good kid
Jul 28 04:18:55 <PatrickC> akanster: send the ipk?
Jul 28 04:19:03 <PatrickC> twbbas: I know, thanks :)
Jul 28 04:19:06 <PatrickC> hehe
Jul 28 04:19:38 * summatusmentis is listening to The Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble right now
Jul 28 04:20:34 <PatrickC> time to get Villo working
Jul 28 04:22:29 <akanster> PatrickC: one min
Jul 28 04:22:34 <PatrickC> thx
Jul 28 04:23:40 <PatrickC> lets see if this works..
Jul 28 04:24:14 <rwatkins> I saw that in my head about every 30 seconds when coding
Jul 28 04:24:52 <twbbas> and it never works the first time... or second... or third. At least for me
Jul 28 04:28:34 <PatrickC> does this seem right? http://pastie.org/private/tm1f3nmom1es2tc56ehw
Jul 28 04:28:36 * haeffb done reading bash. Off to bed.
Jul 28 04:29:14 <haeffb> is apikey supposed to be a variable?
Jul 28 04:29:57 <PatrickC> I replaced my actual key with apikey
Jul 28 04:30:03 <haeffb> what are the possible return values from villo.init ?
Jul 28 04:30:03 <PatrickC> to keep my key mine ;)
Jul 28 04:30:24 <PatrickC> 0 and 1
Jul 28 04:30:28 <PatrickC> 0 is logged in
Jul 28 04:30:33 <PatrickC> 1 is not logged in
Jul 28 04:32:17 <haeffb> seems backwards, but ok
Jul 28 04:33:02 <summatusmentis> no, a return value of 0 is common for success
Jul 28 04:33:26 <summatusmentis> or, I should stipulate, in some types of coding it's common
Jul 28 04:33:32 <akanster> also, no need to compare with '0'.  0 is falsy, all other numbers are truthy
Jul 28 04:33:59 <haeffb> if (!villo.init(...) { swapScene}
Jul 28 04:34:13 <haeffb> with another ) in there somewhere
Jul 28 04:34:15 <summatusmentis> right, that
Jul 28 04:34:23 <twbbas> Does this page not scroll well when you click on one of the shortcuts? https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/enyo/enyo-api-reference.html
Jul 28 04:34:27 <twbbas> (In Chrome)
Jul 28 04:34:53 <haeffb> summatusmentis: but it would make more sense in JS if the success was truthy
Jul 28 04:35:28 * haeffb realizes he can't make the world conform to his desires.
Jul 28 04:35:32 <summatusmentis> haeffb: I don't follow
Jul 28 04:35:35 <haeffb> but if I could.
Jul 28 04:35:36 <PatrickC> now it doesn't work at all.. :/
Jul 28 04:35:42 <haeffb> much better
Jul 28 04:36:05 <akanster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljb6Mne8Mfc - Kung Fu Volleyball!
Jul 28 04:36:10 <haeffb> if (villo.init) {do something with success} makes more readable code
Jul 28 04:36:12 <PatrickC> http://pastie.org/private/naoxpymdk7wd2fsyafw5a
Jul 28 04:36:36 <haeffb> PatrickC: get rid of == 1
Jul 28 04:36:54 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 28 04:37:09 <haeffb> in a logical comparison, 0, null, "" all evaluate as false
Jul 28 04:37:18 <haeffb> other values evaluate as true
Jul 28 04:37:27 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 28 04:37:31 <PatrickC> doesn't work
Jul 28 04:37:38 <haeffb> so if villo.init returns a 0, it will evaluate as false. !false === true
Jul 28 04:38:00 <haeffb> did it work before?
Jul 28 04:38:20 <PatrickC> it pushed the scene
Jul 28 04:38:23 <PatrickC> didn't login
Jul 28 04:38:31 <PatrickC> now it doesn't even push the scene
Jul 28 04:38:58 <haeffb> can you log the return value from villo.init?
Jul 28 04:39:02 <summatusmentis> 'night all
Jul 28 04:39:26 <PatrickC> haeffb: Mojo.log ?
Jul 28 04:39:41 <akanster> haeffb: agreed.  having init return 0 on success seems off
Jul 28 04:40:13 <akanster> unless other numbers mean something.
Jul 28 04:40:39 <n3rddotnet> anybody good with regular expression?
Jul 28 04:40:48 <summatusmentis> at least in systems programming land, there are often multiple defined return codes
Jul 28 04:41:17 <summatusmentis> 1 means something failed differently than 2, which is different from 3
Jul 28 04:41:20 <summatusmentis> etc.
Jul 28 04:41:30 <PatrickC> http://pastie.org/private/cxe2u29e6a81njsn26tzmq
Jul 28 04:41:31 <summatusmentis> but there's only a single success state
Jul 28 04:41:32 <haeffb> PatrickC: http://pastie.org/2282923
Jul 28 04:41:43 <rwatkins> http://media0.quotabl.es/quotes/16401
Jul 28 04:42:05 <rwatkins> thats for you n3rddotnet
Jul 28 04:42:15 <summatusmentis> ok, now seriously bed
Jul 28 04:42:28 <haeffb> summatusmentis: Ok. That makes sense. But I still prefer my world.
Jul 28 04:42:44 <n3rddotnet> i usually can just google the stuff
Jul 28 04:42:47 <haeffb> PatrickC: did you notice the error message in your log
Jul 28 04:42:49 <n3rddotnet> but it's kinda hard right now -_-
Jul 28 04:42:58 <haeffb> that's what she said.
Jul 28 04:43:05 <PatrickC> haeffb: about Villo not being in the sources? yeah
Jul 28 04:43:10 <PatrickC> but it is. and used to work
Jul 28 04:43:12 <n3rddotnet> lol
Jul 28 04:43:18 <n3rddotnet> anywayz, anybody good with regular expressions?
Jul 28 04:43:40 <haeffb> PatrickC: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token {
Jul 28 04:43:48 <PatrickC> just saw that
Jul 28 04:43:50 <haeffb> you have some braces problems
Jul 28 04:43:52 <n3rddotnet> i just want something simple, matches url (something in front) /blog/ (something after)
Jul 28 04:44:51 * haeffb out.
Jul 28 04:45:39 <PatrickC> cya
Jul 28 04:46:06 <PatrickC> ugg.. now the scene works
Jul 28 04:46:11 <PatrickC> but error logging in
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 04:47:29 2011

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 04:42:14 2011
Jul 28 04:42:46 <Tommy> PatrickC: soup
Jul 28 04:42:53 <PatrickC> coding
Jul 28 04:45:17 <Tommy> PatrickC: coding what
Jul 28 04:45:24 <PatrickC> my app
Jul 28 04:46:05 <PatrickC> haeffb: your http://pastie.org/private/g34ief7i3jyofosub4oq didn't work
Jul 28 04:48:16 <PatrickC> hmm.. what is the thing that people usually put textinput fields in called?
Jul 28 04:48:42 <Tommy> textbox :x
Jul 28 04:49:46 <twbbas> PatrickC: Group?
Jul 28 04:49:54 <PatrickC> twbbas: huh?
Jul 28 04:49:57 <PatrickC> oh.. ok
Jul 28 04:50:53 <PatrickC> forums back up
Jul 28 04:50:58 <PatrickC> now with more features
Jul 28 04:58:56 <Tommy> lol it now includes groups for text? :D
Jul 28 04:59:32 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 28 05:00:15 <twbbas> New favorite coding music. Artist - Slagsmålsklubben http://open.spotify.com/artist/4TzSCfS4LS5SVChh2AB2wH
Jul 28 05:01:06 <twbbas> "The name Slagsmalsklubben is a literal Swedish translation of the title of the novem and film Fight Club"
Jul 28 05:02:07 <twbbas> s/novem/novel/
Jul 28 05:03:45 <PatrickC> twbbas: check email
Jul 28 05:04:25 <twbbas> PatrickC: Got it. Will register later
Jul 28 05:04:30 <PatrickC> thx
Jul 28 05:04:42 <PatrickC> I'm looking for blog writers too :)
Jul 28 05:04:47 <PatrickC> I'll mention that later
Jul 28 05:04:51 <twbbas> What would I write about?
Jul 28 05:04:59 <PatrickC> the app
Jul 28 05:05:05 <PatrickC> etc.
Jul 28 05:05:30 <twbbas> like tips or something?
Jul 28 05:05:50 <PatrickC> tips, what you think, how-to, stuff like that
Jul 28 05:12:38 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 28 05:12:48 <PatrickC> nothing like enyo working on your pre2 :)
Jul 28 05:16:36 <halfhalo-work> lulz
Jul 28 05:19:41 <PatrickC> and running the official wordpress app
Jul 28 05:20:07 <twbbas> Btw, I installed that Yamgo TV app on my TouchPad and it's not worth the hype
Jul 28 05:20:18 <twbbas> a total of like 5 channels?
Jul 28 05:20:22 <PatrickC> Wordpress is :)
Jul 28 05:20:40 <twbbas> 2 of them music, 1 fasion, 1 air sports (skydiving), and 1 other weird sport one.
Jul 28 05:20:58 <twbbas> and the UI is horrible
Jul 28 05:20:59 <PatrickC> if only webos had a vkb.. on phones
Jul 28 05:21:09 <twbbas> there was a patch for that
Jul 28 05:21:25 <PatrickC> *was*
Jul 28 05:21:31 <twbbas> for 1.4.5 or something
Jul 28 05:21:33 <PatrickC> the 2.x one was horrible
Jul 28 05:21:35 <twbbas> I don't think it got updated to 2.x
Jul 28 05:21:41 <PatrickC> I loved the 1.4.5.one
Jul 28 05:21:46 <twbbas> the 2.x patch was using the HP vkb
Jul 28 05:21:52 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 28 05:22:01 <PatrickC> looked better, but performance was terrible
Jul 28 05:22:02 <twbbas> the 1.4.5 one was nice but it did have it's problems. It was definitely better than no vkb
Jul 28 05:22:15 <twbbas> It crashed my Pre- whenever I typed too fast
Jul 28 05:22:19 <twbbas> or when I rotated my phone
Jul 28 05:22:24 <twbbas> the hp vkb ^
Jul 28 05:23:05 <PatrickC> the hp vkb crashed my (any pre) whenever I touched it
Jul 28 05:23:21 <twbbas> I still can't believe that my Dad didn't know he could multi-task on his Pixi until I showed him about a month ago
Jul 28 05:23:28 <PatrickC> it would make using the wordpress app so much easier
Jul 28 05:23:31 <PatrickC> wow.. lol
Jul 28 05:23:48 <twbbas> I also showed him that he could Just Type. I believe it that he didn't know that was there, though.
Jul 28 05:24:02 <halfhalo-work> but.... pixi?
Jul 28 05:24:09 <twbbas> Sprint vers
Jul 28 05:24:15 <twbbas> He loves it
Jul 28 05:24:40 * halfhalo-work has pixi plus floating around here somewhere
Jul 28 05:24:45 <twbbas> Same
Jul 28 05:24:49 <twbbas> so thin!
Jul 28 05:25:44 <akanster> twbbas: you seen this - http://sharemyplaylists.com/
Jul 28 05:25:54 <akanster> Public spotify playlists
Jul 28 05:25:58 <PatrickC> man.. a vkb would help so much with the wp app
Jul 28 05:26:23 <twbbas> akanster: Wow neat! thanks for sharing
Jul 28 05:26:31 <akanster> np
Jul 28 05:27:44 <akanster> Also http://digster.fm/ but they make you register first
Jul 28 05:28:52 <PatrickC> akanster: doesn't run good on the pre2.. re: app
Jul 28 05:30:00 <akanster> meh, figured as much
Jul 28 05:30:24 <PatrickC> looks really big.. nothing scales lol
Jul 28 05:32:36 <PatrickC> REMINDER: Word and Excel Editing Coming to TouchPad "This Summer" @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/word-and-excel-editing-coming-to-the-touchpad/
Jul 28 05:41:28 <halfhalo-work> http://qdb.us/306448.  That is all
Jul 28 05:42:10 <PatrickC> http://webosworld.com/2011/06/29/villo-0-8-5-is-here/
Jul 28 05:42:47 <PatrickC> halfhalo-work: lol
Jul 28 05:43:31 <PatrickC> http://qdb.us/47182 lol
Jul 28 05:46:21 <PatrickC> http://qdb.us/104366
Jul 28 05:53:27 * twbbas is starting to hate panes again
Jul 28 05:55:47 <PatrickC> they are such a pane!
Jul 28 05:55:57 <PatrickC> I'm off to bed, you have fun :)
Jul 28 06:03:19 <twbbas> same, night
Jul 28 06:37:48 <naughty_david> Hey . sup guys?
Jul 28 07:55:04 <rikki_max> Is there anyway to have dependencies for apps? or access another apps files (in essence unjail the dependent app assuming its done by the dependency)?
Jul 28 08:11:10 <rwhitby> rikki_max: for app catalog, there is not.
Jul 28 08:11:26 <rwhitby> rikki_max: and from what I have heard, no plans for there to ever be such.
Jul 28 08:13:08 <rikki_max> hmm, im guessing no way to install some apps to the PATH variable then
Jul 28 08:14:03 <rwhitby> no
Jul 28 08:14:21 <rwhitby> you can do it easy in homebrew, but for app catalog apps the only commonly accessible area between apps is in /media/internal/
Jul 28 08:15:04 <rikki_max> executable?
Jul 28 08:15:52 <rikki_max> as in can you execute binaries in that path?
Jul 28 08:29:42 <dwc-> root@mojo:/var/home/root# cp -p /bin/ls /media/internal
Jul 28 08:29:47 <dwc-> root@mojo:/var/home/root# /media/internal/ls > /dev/null
Jul 28 08:29:47 <dwc-> root@mojo:/var/home/root# echo $?
Jul 28 08:29:47 <dwc-> 0
Jul 28 08:29:51 <dwc-> looks like yes
Jul 28 08:31:57 <rikki_max> hmm this could be interesting thank you both
Jul 28 08:36:39 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> hi everyoneee
Jul 28 08:37:00 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> i have an original sprint palm pre with a broken screen does anyone have any idea how to get contacts off???
Jul 28 08:37:08 <hotdp> bbl
Jul 28 08:37:10 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> and like media as well i suppose
Jul 28 08:37:46 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> anyonnne :(
Jul 28 08:38:14 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> so sad :(
Jul 28 08:38:56 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> :( :(
Jul 28 08:39:13 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> boy i am upset
Jul 28 08:39:32 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> its roooteedddd if that makes any difference
Jul 28 08:39:53 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> and like perfectly functional other than the screen
Jul 28 08:39:53 <dwc-> media is easy... you can copy everything out of /media/internal
Jul 28 08:40:05 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> rlly?? how do i get there?
Jul 28 08:40:10 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> you mean like on a computer
Jul 28 08:40:18 <dwc-> what do you mean by "it's roooteedddd"
Jul 28 08:40:18 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> THANK you dwc- btw
Jul 28 08:40:30 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> oh i mean like the pre is rooted
Jul 28 08:40:44 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> like i have all sorts of apps which require superuser permissions on it
Jul 28 08:40:46 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> and whatnot
Jul 28 08:40:48 <dwc-> if you use novacom, you can cd there and copy files, or use novacom to copy them
Jul 28 08:41:03 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> what do you mean by "use novacom" exactly?
Jul 28 08:41:14 <dwc-> do you have your phone in developer mode?
Jul 28 08:41:55 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> not sure
Jul 28 08:42:05 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> i can do that with keystrokes though i think
Jul 28 08:42:06 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> right??
Jul 28 08:42:19 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> how can i check?
Jul 28 08:42:21 <dwc-> how broken is the screen?
Jul 28 08:42:24 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> thank you SO much for helping me btw
Jul 28 08:42:27 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> totally unresponsive
Jul 28 08:42:35 <dwc-> you see what's on it?
Jul 28 08:42:36 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> which is so annoying bc it doesn't LOOK that broken
Jul 28 08:42:41 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> oh, yeah totally
Jul 28 08:42:46 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> it displays perfectly
Jul 28 08:42:52 <dwc-> and you've tried restarting it?
Jul 28 08:42:58 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> yupp
Jul 28 08:43:25 <dwc-> well, you can justtype in the konami code
Jul 28 08:43:42 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> okay what is that again updownupdownleftrightleftrightbastart
Jul 28 08:43:54 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> i can look it up of course
Jul 28 08:43:55 <dwc-> yea
Jul 28 08:46:26 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> yup developer mode is on already
Jul 28 08:46:32 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> it says so when you open the app
Jul 28 08:46:41 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> i just pressed enter to open it after the code was input
Jul 28 08:47:07 <dwc-> ok, so if you go download the palm SDK, (or if you did already) there's a command called novaterm(?) or novacom
Jul 28 08:47:56 <dwc-> and it'll give you a unix shell over the USB cable where you can copy files, etc.
Jul 28 08:48:34 <dwc-> you can also use luna-send from there to put the pre into usb mode and you can copy files that way too
Jul 28 08:48:38 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send
Jul 28 08:49:01 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> i have not downloaded that
Jul 28 08:49:07 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> should i just google it?
Jul 28 08:49:59 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> and yeah putting it into usb mode definitely seems like the way to go
Jul 28 08:50:09 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> thank you so much
Jul 28 08:50:13 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> what do you think about contacts??
Jul 28 08:50:36 <dwc-> developer.palm.com
Jul 28 08:50:40 <dwc-> has the sdk
Jul 28 08:53:11 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> okay cool ty
Jul 28 08:53:18 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> any idea how to get the contacts off???
Jul 28 08:54:36 <dwc-> I'm afraid not, but it looks like this patch knows how to read them... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Contacts_Send_All_via_Email
Jul 28 08:55:17 <dwc-> so they should be accessible somehow programmatically
Jul 28 08:55:35 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File#Exporting_Contacts_to_Google_CSV_file
Jul 28 08:55:38 <dwc-> maybe that?
Jul 28 08:58:55 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> okay very interesting i will have to take a look
Jul 28 08:59:02 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> i looovvee youuuu
Jul 28 09:04:33 <dwc-> aww, thanks
Jul 28 10:16:21 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> hey dwc- you still there??
Jul 28 10:16:43 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> boy its been so long since ive used IRC do i hafta use a colon to like notify
Jul 28 10:16:47 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> dwc-:
Jul 28 10:17:40 <MrJohnGaltonIRC> anybody know where to get novacom driver X(
Jul 28 10:34:42 <Loudergood> MrJohnGaltonIRC, you can get it with a webos doctor or the sdk
Jul 28 12:26:45 <Boopop> I'm getting a message too long error...what's going on? :(
Jul 28 12:27:23 <Boopop> ah
Jul 28 12:27:25 <Boopop> nevermind
Jul 28 12:46:08 <naughty_david> hey
Jul 28 13:10:36 <naughty_david> hey there
Jul 28 13:22:38 <matbee> sup
Jul 28 13:31:37 <PatrickC> morning
Jul 28 13:36:04 <kgutteridge> Does anyone know a way of increasing the disc space available in the Enyo emulator image
Jul 28 13:36:41 <PatrickC> like the touchpad emu?
Jul 28 13:37:50 <matbee> So, when should the price of the touchpad drop?
Jul 28 13:38:01 <matbee> October?
Jul 28 13:38:02 <PatrickC> next year?
Jul 28 13:38:15 <kgutteridge> PatrickC: yes the touchpad emu
Jul 28 13:38:25 <PatrickC> when the TouchPad2 comes out
Jul 28 13:38:29 <PatrickC> kgutteridge: no clue.
Jul 28 13:38:31 <kgutteridge> I assumed you would be able to do in virtual box, but that doesn't appear to be the case
Jul 28 13:38:32 <PatrickC> sorry
Jul 28 13:39:09 <matbee> you'd probably have to get into the linux terminal and resize the partition
Jul 28 13:41:50 <summatusmentis> you may be able to resize the vbox disk image
Jul 28 13:41:54 <summatusmentis> wherever that's located
Jul 28 13:48:29 <PatrickC> hey again lol
Jul 28 13:49:54 <kgutteridge> summatusmentis: ill try creating a new drive and then cloning the existing drive and replacing
Jul 28 13:50:07 <kgutteridge> summatusmentis: maybe that will work!
Jul 28 14:03:43 <PatrickC> stupid Viber...
Jul 28 14:32:46 <PatrickC> fxspec06: hahaha
Jul 28 14:32:54 <fxspec06> ;)
Jul 28 14:33:02 <PatrickC> who said that?
Jul 28 14:33:07 <PatrickC> re: pre3
Jul 28 14:33:21 <fxspec06> lol like 9,000 ppl
Jul 28 14:33:29 <PatrickC> really? lol
Jul 28 14:33:42 <PatrickC> hey, see my newest tweet and RT plz
Jul 28 14:33:52 <fxspec06> k
Jul 28 14:34:22 <PatrickC> oh, I need tons of help w/ villo.. and the google group is of no help lol
Jul 28 14:34:47 <fxspec06> okay but i need to get some things done. like call the IRS and file a fasfa
Jul 28 14:34:53 <fxspec06> so later
Jul 28 14:34:57 <fxspec06> i can help
Jul 28 14:35:03 <funkatron> sonofaIRS
Jul 28 14:35:16 <PatrickC> ok, I'll ping/tweet ya later
Jul 28 14:35:21 <PatrickC> I can't work on it atm
Jul 28 14:35:38 <fxspec06> ok. yeah i didn't exactly recieve my federal refund... prob got lost in the mail
Jul 28 14:35:47 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: I still haven't gotten your email
Jul 28 14:35:50 <PatrickC> sounds.. fun..
Jul 28 14:36:06 * PatrickC still hasn't heard from pdc/chuq
Jul 28 14:36:08 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: seriously? pm?
Jul 28 14:36:09 <PatrickC> :/
Jul 28 14:36:18 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: can you resend it to tibfib1 and/or tibfib94  at gmail ?
Jul 28 14:37:10 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: yeah, I sent it to tibfib1 at gmail, but yeah, I'll re-send it
Jul 28 14:38:19 <Tibfib_> it may have gotten caught as spam in my tibfib1 account so it didn't forward along to my other one
Jul 28 14:38:41 <Tibfib_> yep
Jul 28 14:38:42 <Tibfib_> found it
Jul 28 14:38:50 <summatusmentis> oh, ok, weird
Jul 28 14:38:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> fxspec06_: If I had my way, PreCentral's annoying, bitching haters would be relegated to a single subforum of P
Jul 28 14:38:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> P|C
Jul 28 14:39:08 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: yes
Jul 28 14:39:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the only one they'd be allowed to post in
Jul 28 14:39:17 <matbee> If I had my way, p|c wouldn't be so god damned ugly
Jul 28 14:39:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
Jul 28 14:39:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> agreed
Jul 28 14:39:25 <PatrickC> lol
Jul 28 14:39:39 <matbee> its a horrible, horrible website
Jul 28 14:39:43 <PatrickC> if I had my way, I would have my dev coupon already
Jul 28 14:39:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> when they were redesigning it I was trying to give pointers, but their designer was like, "No, no, I got it." :-|
Jul 28 14:40:06 <matbee> fire their designer
Jul 28 14:40:06 <PatrickC> wow..
Jul 28 14:40:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I agree
Jul 28 14:40:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'd do it much better and much cheaper
Jul 28 14:40:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ...if I had free time
Jul 28 14:40:30 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 28 14:40:40 <matbee> my gf's boss wants me to make him a website
Jul 28 14:40:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't even have enough time to do Enyo development
Jul 28 14:40:46 <matbee> but im stressing that i'm a developer, not a designer
Jul 28 14:40:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-(
Jul 28 14:40:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha
Jul 28 14:41:05 <matbee> I'll do it, but--- itll take me awhile to do design work
Jul 28 14:41:28 <matbee> and it wont be cheap
Jul 28 14:42:57 <matbee> I think I'm going to rewrite my webos app to get all data from my node nowjs server
Jul 28 14:43:08 <matbee> evil piraters
Jul 28 14:43:23 <matbee> :P
Jul 28 14:43:39 <matbee> write all of my client functions on node
Jul 28 14:43:49 <matbee> lol
Jul 28 14:44:44 <matbee> I just wish webos supported websockets
Jul 28 14:44:50 <matbee> damn this long-polling mess
Jul 28 14:46:31 <funkatron> could you do it in node, matbee?
Jul 28 14:46:40 <matbee> websockets?
Jul 28 14:47:06 <matbee> webos's nodejs is near unusable due to its version
Jul 28 14:48:05 <Tibfib_> Anyone ever used flyweights?
Jul 28 14:48:45 <matbee> hmm, the design pattern?
Jul 28 14:48:55 <Tibfib_> no, the enyo kind
Jul 28 14:49:06 <Tibfib_> "A control designed to be rendered multiple times."
Jul 28 14:49:19 <Tibfib_> virtual lists apparently use them, but I have no idea how to use one
Jul 28 14:49:41 <matbee> ah yes, it is a design pattern
Jul 28 14:50:11 <Tibfib_> oh, then yes. that :)
Jul 28 14:50:46 <funkatron> matbee: you should talk to halfhalo about that
Jul 28 14:51:13 <matbee> meh
Jul 28 14:51:17 <matbee> nothing to talk about
Jul 28 14:51:43 <matbee> ill just do longpolling until palm gets their head out of their assholio
Jul 28 14:52:02 <matbee> ahem
Jul 28 14:53:13 <Tibfib_> perhaps I can use a repeater
Jul 28 14:54:06 <Tibfib_> shmeh, I think it just does what I do manually
Jul 28 14:55:06 <funkatron> I'm sure that's it
Jul 28 14:56:48 <Tibfib_> bbl
Jul 28 15:11:31 * twbbas is consuming his morning feeds using NomNomNom
Jul 28 15:24:43 <akanster> what's the latest firmware version on production devices?
Jul 28 15:41:25 <halfhalo-work> moomoomoo!
Jul 28 15:45:02 <PatrickC> akanster: 3.0.0
Jul 28 15:45:30 <akanster> i thought an update went out a while back?
Jul 28 15:45:37 <PatrickC> nope
Jul 28 15:45:44 <PatrickC> 3.0.2 comes out /soon/
Jul 28 15:48:21 <summatusmentis> they claimed by the end of the month
Jul 28 15:48:28 <summatusmentis> but we're talking about in 2 days
Jul 28 15:49:53 <PatrickC> they also claimed you would hear back about the coupon within 15 days..
Jul 28 15:49:58 <PatrickC> today is 16 for me
Jul 28 15:50:01 <akanster> lol
Jul 28 15:50:13 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: have you followed up with DevRel?
Jul 28 15:50:18 <PatrickC> yes
Jul 28 15:50:33 <PatrickC> yesterday I sent a direct email to chuq, and cc'd PDC
Jul 28 15:50:39 <akanster> business days though, right?
Jul 28 15:50:50 <summatusmentis> isn't pdc chuq? :)
Jul 28 15:50:50 <PatrickC> today is the 16th business day
Jul 28 15:50:58 <PatrickC> PDC is many people
Jul 28 15:51:07 <PatrickC> i've gotten responses from chuq, and sue, and others
Jul 28 15:51:33 <summatusmentis> oh
Jul 28 15:51:56 <PatrickC> yep
Jul 28 15:53:39 <PatrickC> after I watch my friends dogs, I should have enough money..
Jul 28 15:53:53 <halfhalo-work> lol... dogwatching
Jul 28 15:54:01 <PatrickC> yep.. for a month
Jul 28 15:54:59 <PatrickC> has it been said if you can use the "legacy discount" with the dev?
Jul 28 15:55:12 <summatusmentis> oh crap, I need to do that
Jul 28 15:55:25 <PatrickC> legacy discount?
Jul 28 15:55:33 <halfhalo-work> Psh!
Jul 28 15:55:51 <PatrickC> I'm gonna be really mad if I can't use it because I didn't hear back until *after* the promo ended!
Jul 28 15:55:56 <PatrickC> </rant>
Jul 28 16:01:32 <akanster> I was told I'd heard back about the loaner program within 15 business days.  It's been 17.
Jul 28 16:11:36 <Tibfib> hmm, I got the virtual repeater to work with a horizontal scroller
Jul 28 16:11:45 <Tibfib> just can't get it to work with a snap scroller
Jul 28 16:13:19 <Tibfib> and I need a SnapScroller
Jul 28 16:22:57 <HattCzech_work> i hope the legacy discount applies
Jul 28 16:23:31 <HattCzech_work> i would also love it if the loyalty discount applied to preware apps :)
Jul 28 16:24:05 <Tibfib> you pay for preware apps?
Jul 28 16:24:32 <HattCzech_work> no
Jul 28 16:24:50 <HattCzech_work> i have had a preware app available for ~2 years
Jul 28 16:24:54 <Tibfib> hah. just messing wit hyou
Jul 28 16:25:12 <HattCzech_work> heh, i see what you did there
Jul 28 16:34:06 <PatrickC> HattCzech_work: what app?
Jul 28 16:34:13 <HattCzech_work> txt manager
Jul 28 16:34:29 <PatrickC> still in?
Jul 28 16:34:36 <HattCzech_work> txt group is the one i have in the app catalog, but that's only been in there a little over a year
Jul 28 16:34:37 <HattCzech_work> yup
Jul 28 16:34:43 <HattCzech_work> i need to update it, though
Jul 28 16:34:48 <HattCzech_work> it's been a LONG time
Jul 28 16:35:14 <HattCzech_work> real job > webos apps = :(
Jul 28 16:37:51 <PatrickC> you need to make an Email Group app
Jul 28 16:37:59 <PatrickC> that is compatible with 2.x
Jul 28 16:39:56 <PatrickC> should take just a few minor changes?
Jul 28 16:40:22 <halfhalo-work> bah, real jobs
Jul 28 16:54:54 <dwc-> one of these days you'll have to get one too!
Jul 28 16:55:09 <PatrickC> what's a job?
Jul 28 16:55:20 <PatrickC> is that designing apps?
Jul 28 16:56:05 <stri8ed> Hi all
Jul 28 16:56:13 <stri8ed> quick question on enyo
Jul 28 16:56:18 <PatrickC> ok. go
Jul 28 16:56:38 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: that might work with 2.0
Jul 28 16:56:45 <HattCzech_work> didn't work well with 1.4.5
Jul 28 16:56:49 <stri8ed> I have a variable setup in my owner "kind"
Jul 28 16:56:56 <PatrickC> it look like it might work
Jul 28 16:57:03 <stri8ed> and i am trying to refference it from my child "kind"
Jul 28 16:57:06 <PatrickC> but I'm looking for a email group one
Jul 28 16:57:17 <HattCzech_work> i can probably do that
Jul 28 16:57:25 <stri8ed> Like so: this.tasks = this.owner.alltasks;
Jul 28 16:57:29 <PatrickC> that would be cool :)
Jul 28 16:57:31 <HattCzech_work> i'm redoing them for 2.0+ anyway
Jul 28 16:57:35 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 28 16:57:41 <PatrickC> I can help in any way
Jul 28 16:57:41 <stri8ed> Yet it returns undefined
Jul 28 16:57:54 <HattCzech_work> i shall let you know... or you can test :)
Jul 28 16:58:01 <PatrickC> I'll test ;)
Jul 28 16:58:08 <HattCzech_work> heheh, sounds good
Jul 28 16:58:19 * PatrickC loves beta testing
Jul 28 16:58:43 <PatrickC> you can email/tweet/IM/TextOne me
Jul 28 16:59:08 <stri8ed> any thoughts on how I can refference an owner "kind's" variable from a child "kind"?
Jul 28 16:59:19 <stri8ed> I have tried this.owner.varibale
Jul 28 16:59:24 <stri8ed> but does not work
Jul 28 16:59:44 <Tibfib> this.owner should w ork
Jul 28 16:59:48 <Tibfib> it could be this.parent
Jul 28 16:59:58 <stri8ed> Lemme try that
Jul 28 16:59:59 <Tibfib> I'm going to guess it is not actually it's owner
Jul 28 17:00:08 <Tibfib> s/it's/its/
Jul 28 17:00:56 <stri8ed> @ parent does not either work
Jul 28 17:01:04 <Tibfib> open up the app in chrome and check it out
Jul 28 17:01:14 <Tibfib> it should be easy to find the right thing
Jul 28 17:01:19 <stri8ed> I know it is owner since when I eny.log owner it shows me "varable" as one of the components
Jul 28 17:02:18 <Tibfib> that's not what I mean
Jul 28 17:02:34 <Tibfib> I mean, the kind you think is the owner, is probably not actually the owner
Jul 28 17:02:37 <Tibfib> and another kind is the owner
Jul 28 17:08:03 <stri8ed> @Tibfib when I do enyo.log(this.owner) inside the "enyo.instance" I can see "My_variable" with its data, yet when I do enyo.log(this.owner.My_variable) I comes back undefined
Jul 28 17:08:22 <Tibfib> hmmm
Jul 28 17:08:25 <Tibfib> then something is going wrong
Jul 28 17:08:29 <Tibfib> paste your EXACT code
Jul 28 17:12:07 <stri8ed> http://pastebin.com/dMTk57wx
Jul 28 17:14:19 <Tibfib> hrmmmmmmmm that's weird
Jul 28 17:15:13 <Tibfib> stri8ed: line 14 is from the components array right? Not a dynamically created?
Jul 28 17:15:34 <stri8ed> Yes
Jul 28 17:16:29 <stri8ed> It seems refferencing anything else from this.owner works, except the variable, I can do this.owner.domAttributes and it returns fine
Jul 28 17:17:53 <Tibfib> that's really weird
Jul 28 17:18:29 <Tibfib> enyo.log(this.owner) shows alltasks right?
Jul 28 17:19:12 <Tibfib> Perhaps... setup the alltasks array outside of the create function
Jul 28 17:19:17 <Tibfib> alltasks: [],
Jul 28 17:19:24 <Tibfib> create: function() { ... }
Jul 28 17:21:48 <stri8ed> Yes it does show alltasks
Jul 28 17:22:05 <stri8ed> i will try creating it outside function
Jul 28 17:23:23 <stri8ed> where can I setup the array outside a function without breaking the code?
Jul 28 17:25:36 <stri8ed> Ok added it outside the function, butI am still getting the same results as above
Jul 28 17:25:59 <stri8ed> Weird as hell, I guess I will just have to tear this appart untill I find an answer
Jul 28 17:31:57 <Tibfib> stri8ed: it's just an object
Jul 28 17:32:03 <Tibfib> you are setting the property create as a function
Jul 28 17:32:19 <Tibfib> enyo.kind({create: function(){ ... }, alltasks: []})
Jul 28 17:35:40 <stri8ed> I tried just {name: "pop", kind: "Item"}, and than this.owner.pop still returns undefined
Jul 28 17:35:59 <stri8ed> I mean this.owner.$.pop
Jul 28 17:36:30 <Tibfib> somethigns going on
Jul 28 17:38:05 <stri8ed> Im guessing its something specific to my code since this stuff usually just works?
Jul 28 17:38:38 <PatrickC> stri8ed: what's the app do? j/w
Jul 28 17:38:54 <stri8ed> task manager/ todo list
Jul 28 17:39:05 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 28 17:39:09 <stri8ed> I will have to just go through the code peice by peice
Jul 28 17:39:11 <PatrickC> does it have a mojo version?
Jul 28 17:39:16 <Tibfib> stri8ed: I would gues that
Jul 28 17:39:20 <stri8ed> yea its my first webos app
Jul 28 17:39:24 <stri8ed> just bought a tp
Jul 28 17:39:29 <stri8ed> always been webos crazy
Jul 28 17:39:39 <PatrickC> it has a mojo version? or only an enyo?
Jul 28 17:39:50 <stri8ed> only enyo
Jul 28 17:39:55 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 28 17:39:58 <stri8ed> I am basicly learning js as I go along
Jul 28 17:40:04 <stri8ed> so far so good
Jul 28 17:40:09 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 28 17:40:22 <stri8ed> thanks for trying
Jul 28 18:00:14 <stri8ed> @rwhitby I think i know the problem with my .owner stuff
Jul 28 18:01:15 <stri8ed> I was creating the variable as a kind, and than right after creating the child pane I was going to call the variable from, so before the function to fill the variable happened, the pane already loaded
Jul 28 18:02:31 <stri8ed> is there a way I can call a function before the pane kind ls created?
Jul 28 18:25:32 <twbbas> uh oh I broke something
Jul 28 18:29:05 <twbbas> ugh chrome stopped running my app but it runs fine on device -.-
Jul 28 18:29:12 <twbbas> I don't even know what I changed
Jul 28 18:39:54 <twbbas> internet's out :(
Jul 28 18:39:58 <twbbas> using freetether :)
Jul 28 18:46:05 * akanster is updating a 3yr old ASP.NET site :(
Jul 28 18:46:21 <akanster> at least I was the one that wrote it
Jul 28 18:46:42 * PatrickC just got a reply fro, Chuq
Jul 28 18:47:06 <akanster> regarding your dev discount?
Jul 28 18:47:06 <twbbas> I wonder why my enyo.json.parse() randomly stopped working in chrome but still works fine on the device
Jul 28 18:47:17 <PatrickC> akanster: yeah
Jul 28 18:47:25 <PatrickC> he said he's gonna ask for a status update
Jul 28 18:47:35 * twbbas goes to check how many days it's been since he got the 15 day email
Jul 28 18:47:57 <PatrickC> yesterday was day 15 for me
Jul 28 18:48:17 <twbbas> today's the 13th business day for me
Jul 28 18:48:40 <PatrickC> ah
Jul 28 18:48:47 <PatrickC> you still have 2 days ;)
Jul 28 18:48:50 <twbbas> Yep
Jul 28 18:48:51 <PatrickC> Adora: hey!!
Jul 28 18:49:11 <twbbas> but my enyo specific functions just stopped working randomly in chrome
Jul 28 18:49:18 <twbbas> I came back from lunch and it didn't work
Jul 28 18:49:21 <PatrickC> nice.. :/
Jul 28 18:49:25 <twbbas> works fine on the device
Jul 28 18:49:43 <PatrickC> wow..
Jul 28 18:49:49 * twbbas thinks little green robots are sabotaging his computer
Jul 28 18:49:52 <PatrickC> I wish I had a device to test on
Jul 28 18:50:17 <PatrickC> the green one always help.. its the red ones that break thingd
Jul 28 18:50:20 <PatrickC> things*
Jul 28 18:51:15 <twbbas> gonna restart computer. Maybe that'll fix it
Jul 28 18:57:07 <akanster> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/07/the-hp-webos-app-catalog-opening-in-four-new-countries/ - whoo
Jul 28 18:57:26 <ianbeck> Wish it were the paid catalog getting expanded, but I guess free is good, too :-)
Jul 28 18:57:38 <akanster> oh, that's just free?
Jul 28 18:57:47 <ianbeck> According to the blog post, yeah
Jul 28 18:58:02 <ianbeck> Down near the bottom, if I recall
Jul 28 18:58:03 <akanster> sigh, I give up
Jul 28 18:58:43 <PatrickC> "- All free apps marked in the catalog for “rest of the world” will be made available automatically in the App Catalog for these countries, which include TouchPad apps and smartphone apps that have been tested and approved as TouchPad-compatible."
Jul 28 18:59:35 <akanster> btw ianbeck, your webos blog entries are pretty awesome ;)
Jul 28 18:59:55 <ianbeck> akanster: Heh, glad you like them :-)
Jul 28 18:59:57 <PatrickC> what blog?
Jul 28 19:00:11 <ianbeck> http://beckism.com/
Jul 28 19:03:04 <sugardave> I just heard the airport announce lady (seemingly) ask for passenger "Brain Stem" to report to the customer service area
Jul 28 19:03:16 <akanster> heh
Jul 28 19:03:32 <hotdp> haha
Jul 28 19:04:10 <akanster> "Mr. Medula Oblongata, please report to the front desk"
Jul 28 19:05:23 <twbbas> lol
Jul 28 19:07:21 <sugardave> twbbas: I saw your message, glad it worked out :D
Jul 28 19:10:13 <summatusmentis> sugardave: when I was at a Target recently, they made some announcement for somenoe who's name I can only assume was Noah
Jul 28 19:10:34 <summatusmentis> but it sounded like they said "nobody come to the front desk"
Jul 28 19:10:55 <twbbas> sugardave: Yeah, thanks! it saves my many future headaches too since you explained to me why it was happening :)
Jul 28 19:11:52 <sugardave> summatusmentis: hehe
Jul 28 19:12:05 <sugardave> twbbas: no problem, it's what I do...one of the things anyway :D
Jul 28 19:12:37 <twbbas> brb switching back to home internet. it started working again
Jul 28 19:51:09 <sugardave> time to go through security....woo....hoo
Jul 28 19:58:20 <PatrickC> got villo fixed, thanks to fxspec06  :)
Jul 28 19:58:46 <summatusmentis> HP is sending me a replacement TP
Jul 28 19:58:49 <summatusmentis> sweet
Jul 28 19:59:10 <PatrickC> hp hasn't sent me a coupon yet! :'(
Jul 28 20:03:52 <summatusmentis> oooh, I just got an email saying Pre3 is coming soon, and EA will have a new SDK ready for phone dev soon
Jul 28 20:03:56 <summatusmentis> neat
Jul 28 20:05:43 <PatrickC> what?!?!
Jul 28 20:05:46 <PatrickC> awesome!!!!!!!!!
Jul 28 20:06:15 <summatusmentis> it was in the same email as "app catalog coming to 4 new countries"
Jul 28 20:06:55 <fxspec06> The HP webOS App Catalog opening in new countries
Jul 28 20:07:07 <fxspec06> Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong and Singapore
Jul 28 20:07:46 <fxspec06> PatrickC: you're welcome
Jul 28 20:08:00 <PatrickC> lol thc
Jul 28 20:08:02 <PatrickC> thx*
Jul 28 20:08:22 <fxspec06> if u need help jus holla
Jul 28 20:09:29 <PatrickC> I prolly will later lol
Jul 28 20:09:38 <fxspec06> i'm about to sign up for early access program.
Jul 28 20:09:41 <fxspec06> i need to. badly.
Jul 28 20:10:03 <PatrickC> yeah
Jul 28 20:14:07 <djfun> my app doesn't open a main window if it is already running in the background in exhibition mode.. is there a way to solve that problem?
Jul 28 20:15:38 <twbbas> summatusmentis: Pre 3 SDK coming?!?!
Jul 28 20:15:58 <summatusmentis> twbbas: according the the DevRel newsletter email I got
Jul 28 20:16:23 <twbbas> Awesome!!!
Jul 28 20:16:31 <twbbas> My guess is end of August
Jul 28 20:16:53 <summatusmentis> that means I need to get my ducks in a row around switching to a new carrier
Jul 28 20:17:31 * twbbas is still holding out for Pre 3 on Sprint
Jul 28 20:17:36 <twbbas> Not losing hope!
Jul 28 20:17:48 <summatusmentis> I've given up all hope
Jul 28 20:17:58 <summatusmentis> hope is for people who don't have a sense of reality
Jul 28 20:18:01 <summatusmentis> or, something
Jul 28 20:18:04 <twbbas> :(
Jul 28 20:18:09 <summatusmentis> </bitter>
Jul 28 20:18:13 <PatrickC> twbbas: I'm with ya
Jul 28 20:18:16 <twbbas> All the other rumors have been wrong about the Pre 3, so why can't the carrier rumors be wrong too?
Jul 28 20:18:25 <summatusmentis> all what other rumors
Jul 28 20:18:38 <twbbas> July 15th Pre 3 launch, July 20-something launch
Jul 28 20:18:42 <summatusmentis> oh
Jul 28 20:18:43 <twbbas> uhh
Jul 28 20:18:46 <twbbas> a bunch others
Jul 28 20:19:00 <PatrickC> 1.2GHz dual-core
Jul 28 20:19:02 <summatusmentis> clearly rumors can be wrong
Jul 28 20:19:05 <PatrickC> or was it a 1.5GHz
Jul 28 20:19:17 <summatusmentis> it was 1.2 ghz, whatever the touchpad has
Jul 28 20:19:18 <twbbas> the 1.2GHz dual wasn't a rumor, it was a typo on the website
Jul 28 20:19:29 <twbbas> the copied the TP specs
Jul 28 20:19:31 <twbbas> they*
Jul 28 20:19:34 <summatusmentis> that turned into a rumor because people reported it as such
Jul 28 20:19:39 <twbbas> Yup
Jul 28 20:19:51 <summatusmentis> so.... rumor
Jul 28 20:19:54 <twbbas> it had extra html tags next to the processor + it said it had beats audio
Jul 28 20:20:09 <summatusmentis> that'd be pretty neat
Jul 28 20:20:23 <PatrickC> I want a pre3 with beats
Jul 28 20:20:35 <summatusmentis> I want a pre3 on sprint, I don't care about beats
Jul 28 20:20:53 <twbbas> ^
Jul 28 20:20:59 <twbbas> I want my enyo code to stop being dumb
Jul 28 20:21:30 <twbbas> I come back from lunch and my enyo methods stop working
Jul 28 20:22:09 <summatusmentis> I think in order for the enyo code to stop being dumb, the programmer has to stop being dumb
Jul 28 20:22:19 <twbbas> lol
Jul 28 20:22:33 <twbbas> I'm gonna try reinstalling the sdk. It looks like enyo.js file got messed up or something
Jul 28 20:23:29 <PatrickC> ok.. I'm off
Jul 28 20:23:34 <PatrickC> cya. thanks fxspec06 !!
Jul 28 20:23:35 <twbbas> Cya
Jul 28 20:24:05 <fxspec06> oh yeah, you're welcome
Jul 28 20:24:09 <fxspec06> lol
Jul 28 20:33:11 <djfun> does someone have a idea for my exhibition mode problem?
Jul 28 20:33:34 <akanster> Enyo?
Jul 28 20:33:41 <djfun> yes
Jul 28 20:33:59 * akanster just started looking at the Exhibition Mode sample this morning..
Jul 28 20:38:04 <twbbas> I've never used exhibition mode. I haven't really found a good use for it in any of my apps yet
Jul 28 20:47:38 <fxspec06> i know nothing about exhibition, but what's the problem?
Jul 28 20:49:47 <djfun> if my app is running in exhibition mode and I close exhibition mode, then the app keeps running in the background (that is a feature) .. BUT.. I cant launch my app normally if it is already running in the background
Jul 28 20:50:42 <djfun> or I could open the app if I really knew I was at that specific state
Jul 28 20:52:18 <fxspec06> in your app assistant do you have a handleLaunch function
Jul 28 20:53:50 <djfun> I use enyo ;)
Jul 28 20:54:06 <fxspec06> there's always an equivelant..
Jul 28 20:55:00 <djfun> I have a relaunchHandler, windowActivatedHandler, ..
Jul 28 20:55:57 <fxspec06> which one gets called when you attempt to 'relaunch' it after exhibition is closed?
Jul 28 20:57:32 <djfun> relaunchHandler
Jul 28 20:57:43 <djfun> is the first
Jul 28 20:57:54 <fxspec06> okay so
Jul 28 20:58:29 <fxspec06> on first app launch, check for a typeof(didLaunch) boolean
Jul 28 20:58:47 <fxspec06> if === "undefined" then make it true
Jul 28 20:59:04 <fxspec06> then on app close make it false
Jul 28 20:59:28 <fxspec06> then on relaunchHandler check the status of it and if it's false, then do what you want with it
Jul 28 20:59:37 <fxspec06> could that work?
Jul 28 21:00:51 <djfun> but I could also be in a relaunch in exhibition mode if I started the app normally first
Jul 28 21:05:01 <fxspec06> hmm. maybe name it launchStatus. then detect if exhibition mode was last thing running, set value to '2'. then on launch if its value is already '2', set value to '3', and if it doesn't exist, set it to '1'. then, on app close, if launchStatus value is '3' set it to '2', otherwise leave it alone.
Jul 28 21:05:35 <fxspec06> there's got to be some creative way to do it
Jul 28 21:06:49 <twbbas> reinstalling SDK didn't fix it :(
Jul 28 21:07:13 <twbbas> I'm getting "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL" when I try to call enyo.json.parse()
Jul 28 21:07:27 <twbbas> I've never gotten that problem before. I thought it had to do with a bad enyo.js file or something but that can't be it.
Jul 28 21:19:05 <fxspec06> hm that's odd
Jul 28 21:19:10 <fxspec06> twbbas
Jul 28 21:20:11 <twbbas> ?
Jul 28 21:20:26 <twbbas> It seemed to happen randomly
Jul 28 21:20:37 <twbbas> My code works perfect on my device
Jul 28 21:20:38 <Tibfib> twbbas: it is what you are parsing
Jul 28 21:20:45 <Tibfib> oh
Jul 28 21:20:48 <Tibfib> just use JSON.parse
Jul 28 21:21:02 <twbbas> I'll try that but it was working before >.>
Jul 28 21:21:26 <twbbas> hmm still error
Jul 28 21:21:38 <twbbas> oh wait. I think I may have figured it out
Jul 28 21:24:33 <twbbas> Wow, just a stupid mistake.
Jul 28 21:26:31 <twbbas> Anyone know what size picture on a website scales down perfect to fit as a launcher icon (TouchPad)? It's not 64x64
Jul 28 21:36:51 <funkatron> "If you have an existing webOS smartphone app, we encourage you to start preparing your app for the Pre3 by accessing an updated emulator and other supporting documentation that’s planned to be available this week to members in our Early Access program"
Jul 28 21:37:12 <funkatron> I bet you all knew that tho
Jul 28 21:39:46 <PuffTheMagic> so does anyone know what could cause the keyboard to showup with shift enabled?
Jul 28 21:39:46 <twbbas> summatusmentis posted it not too long ago in here
Jul 28 21:43:31 <akanster> funkatron: ewww, mojo
Jul 28 21:46:38 <funkatron> akanster: pretty much
Jul 28 21:46:44 <akanster> Lunch is alive - http://garrysub.posterous.com/dancing-squid-for-lunch
Jul 28 21:48:12 <twbbas> akanster: Haha I saw that. looks soo gross
Jul 28 21:53:57 <LoneStar99> damn
Jul 28 21:54:15 <LoneStar99> i like squid, but that does not look to nice
Jul 28 22:00:34 <LoneStar99> http://autos.yahoo.com/news/million-dollar-fender-bender.html
Jul 28 22:06:39 <twbbas> fail
Jul 28 22:30:35 <twbbas> https://twitter.com/#!/webOSdev/status/96708489258336256 ;)
Jul 28 22:40:06 <matbee_> the only problem with a pre3 and touchpad being released is that there's no money for either :'(
Jul 28 22:40:36 <matbee_> I got a significant raise but the taxes are ridiculous
Jul 28 22:40:44 <halfhalo-work> (function(next) {})(function() {}); I love you....
Jul 28 22:42:31 <twbbas> ESPN3.com doesn't work well on TouchPad
Jul 28 22:43:29 <LoneStar99> wonder there will be loaner pre3 =)....
Jul 28 22:43:48 <twbbas> I'd like one
Jul 28 22:44:35 <LoneStar99> same here
Jul 28 22:45:18 <LoneStar99> can get loaner TPs, but can't have them shipped to MX =( so have to wait till i get back to US
Jul 28 22:48:03 <twbbas> btw, have you guys seen the game Lose/Lose?
Jul 28 22:48:05 <twbbas> http://www.stfj.net/index2.php?project=art%2F2009%2Floselose
Jul 28 22:48:36 <twbbas> Every alien represents a file on your computer. As you kill the aliens, those files get deleted.
Jul 28 22:49:27 * haeffb starting to think that providing support for webOS apps costs more than sales provide.
Jul 28 22:49:38 <Tibfib> there. nomnomnom now can play podcasts in app
Jul 28 22:49:47 <Tibfib> hrmmm
Jul 28 22:49:52 <LoneStar99> twbbas:  it was released for iphone some years back right?
Jul 28 22:50:08 <twbbas> Tibfib: Nice
Jul 28 22:50:10 <Tibfib> although, most users might prefer nomnomnom to launch the media streamer
Jul 28 22:50:16 <twbbas> LoneStar: I never heard of it until a few days ago
Jul 28 22:50:19 <Tibfib> that way you can still listen to it while you look at other feeds
Jul 28 22:50:33 <Tibfib> DANGIT. Lots of work when there was a better/easier solution
Jul 28 22:50:34 <Tibfib> silly.
Jul 28 22:50:42 <twbbas> Tibfib: Make an option :)
Jul 28 22:51:02 <Tibfib> eh
Jul 28 22:51:04 <Tibfib> probably not
Jul 28 22:51:10 <Tibfib> I just want to remove it
Jul 28 22:51:15 <twbbas> Yeah, most people want the media streamer probably
Jul 28 22:51:18 <twbbas> I would
Jul 28 22:51:19 <Tibfib> now how do you launch the media streamer in enyo?
Jul 28 22:51:27 <Tibfib> Yeah, I do too haha.
Jul 28 22:51:47 <twbbas> Have I mentioned I hate panes? >.>
Jul 28 22:52:02 <Tibfib> me too!
Jul 28 22:52:09 <Tibfib> I'm currently running into a bug with them here
Jul 28 22:52:42 <LoneStar99> barely getting back into things, chilled out for some days
Jul 28 22:53:03 <twbbas> I'm creating a component in a pane. It's being successfully created... no errors. getComponents() even lists the components there. BUT they aren't there in the html and are not showing when I switch to that pane
Jul 28 22:53:29 <twbbas> LoneStar99: What app are you working on currently?
Jul 28 22:56:10 * haeffb booting to windows so I can update printer firmware. sigh.
Jul 28 22:59:16 <Tibfib> what's the enyo way to do this: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/audio.html#using-the-webos-streaming-music-player ?
Jul 28 23:01:03 <Tibfib> oh, PalmService
Jul 28 23:10:33 <LoneStar99> twbbas:  a drawing app
Jul 28 23:11:34 <LoneStar99> should have it released by next week at one point
Jul 28 23:12:15 <twbbas> Oh yeah, that's right
Jul 28 23:14:15 <haeffb> my printer saga continues: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=16565
Jul 28 23:14:28 <haeffb> apparently, if I had an iPad I could use the printer.
Jul 28 23:14:31 <haeffb> :(
Jul 28 23:16:21 <twbbas> that's unfortunate
Jul 28 23:18:00 <LoneStar99> twbbas:  but this one is different
Jul 28 23:29:03 <haeffb> added some date/time formatting stuff to http://www.webos101.com/Enyo_Code_Snippets
Jul 28 23:34:49 <LoneStar99> haeffb: sweet, need to add some snippets myself
Jul 28 23:37:40 <webOSNewbie> I'm back
Jul 28 23:37:42 <webOSNewbie> 99
Jul 28 23:38:11 <webOSNewbie> Cut the language, my parents put me somewhere where I can be supervised
Jul 28 23:39:27 <LoneStar99> supervised? you like 8?
Jul 28 23:39:34 <webOSNewbie> 12
Jul 28 23:40:02 <LoneStar99> ok cool, supervised from websites or fom creeps?
Jul 28 23:40:18 <webOSNewbie> supervised on everything I do, now
Jul 28 23:40:28 <webOSNewbie> across from parents
Jul 28 23:41:03 <LoneStar99> ok, where u like some hacker or something?
Jul 28 23:42:16 <webOSNewbie> no, they're just concerned now
Jul 28 23:45:12 <halfhalo-work> this will end in tears.  or laughter.
Jul 28 23:45:12 <LoneStar99> webOSNewbie:  you have a webos mobile device?
Jul 28 23:45:13 <Stoken> hello
Jul 28 23:45:16 * halfhalo-work gets the popcorn
Jul 28 23:45:26 * webOSNewbie wishes he had a device
Jul 28 23:45:51 <LoneStar99> promo codes for my app. 2 days left --> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-app-promo-codes/289035-drop-1-0-0-75-more-promo-codes.html
Jul 28 23:45:59 <Stoken> i need some help, to bring my Europe Palm Pixi Plus in the developer mod.
Jul 28 23:46:20 <Stoken> i want install preware, but iam not known how i came in Dev mod.
Jul 28 23:46:39 <LoneStar99> there is a code you type in
Jul 28 23:46:41 <halfhalo-work> Stoken: type webos20060909 with no cards open
Jul 28 23:46:49 <dwc-> gooooooooooooooooogle
Jul 28 23:46:57 <halfhalo-work> shall burn?
Jul 28 23:47:33 <dwc-> maybe
Jul 28 23:47:40 <halfhalo-work> yay!
Jul 28 23:47:44 <Stoken> yeahh thats failse because, on the "w" button is the same the "+" and ever the device makes the first character the +
Jul 28 23:47:45 * halfhalo-work gets the fire
Jul 28 23:47:52 <LoneStar99> Stoken:  all the way to the bottom --> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/tools/eclipse.html
Jul 28 23:47:55 <Stoken> and with that it doesnt run.
Jul 28 23:48:18 <Stoken> okay thanks for the link.
Jul 28 23:48:41 <halfhalo-work> Stoken:  it will change it for you. once you hit a key that is not mapped to a number
Jul 28 23:50:02 <Flashpass_work> is the F14 kernal the only pre2 overclock option currently?
Jul 28 23:50:17 <webOSNewbie> you can overclock the Pre?
Jul 28 23:50:25 <halfhalo-work> si senor
Jul 28 23:50:30 <webOSNewbie> how?
Jul 28 23:50:33 <webOSNewbie> thats cool
Jul 28 23:50:58 * twbbas 's Sprint pre is running at twice the speed it's supposed to be
Jul 28 23:51:10 * halfhalo-work has an oc'ed pixi somewhere around here
Jul 28 23:51:20 * webOSNewbie needs a device
Jul 28 23:51:24 * halfhalo-work wants an oc'ed veer dammit
Jul 28 23:51:52 * webOSNewbie doesn't care if it's oc'ed or not, he NEEDS A DEVICE!
Jul 28 23:52:04 <webOSNewbie> parents won't pay
Jul 28 23:52:13 <Stoken> how you did mean that?
Jul 28 23:52:29 <webOSNewbie> They aren't willing to get me a phone
Jul 28 23:52:45 <Stoken> if i push w it cames in searching form a +
Jul 28 23:53:14 <twbbas> Stoken: Another code to enter is "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart"
Jul 28 23:53:16 <Stoken> so i have test it with the shift button, nothin runs
Jul 28 23:53:42 <halfhalo-work> Stoken: when you enter a character that is not part of a possible phone number, the phone automatically switches it to letters.  its smart like that.
Jul 28 23:53:47 <Stoken> okay thank, i know that i have seen ever before, but today not found again.
Jul 28 23:53:57 <Stoken> thx man i  test code!
Jul 28 23:54:27 <Stoken> if other code yet will run then it isnt immportant again.
Jul 28 23:54:47 <LoneStar99> webOSNewbie:  just get a jused one on ebay and don't activate it
Jul 28 23:55:00 <webOSNewbie> activate what?
Jul 28 23:55:06 <Flashpass_work> so is that a no one OCing a pre2?
Jul 28 23:55:08 <LoneStar99> the mobile phone
Jul 28 23:55:25 <webOSNewbie> what do you mean by activating?
Jul 28 23:55:26 <halfhalo-work> Flashpass_work: don't have a pre2 atm.
Jul 28 23:55:37 <webOSNewbie> atm?
Jul 28 23:56:02 <halfhalo-work> at the moment.
Jul 28 23:56:22 <LoneStar99> webOSNewbie:  like using the phone just for developing w/o getting a line on it
Jul 28 23:56:28 <Stoken> no doesnt run, same shit like before, its opening the Browser for google searching;/
Jul 28 23:56:34 <webOSNewbie> hello?
Jul 28 23:56:43 <webOSNewbie> parents peeking over my shoulder!
Jul 28 23:56:53 <Stoken> ohhh sorry
Jul 28 23:56:57 <halfhalo-work> Stoken: if you do it right there should be a developer mode icon that pops up for you to tap
Jul 28 23:57:13 <Stoken> SH**** is a bad word with a bad taste ^^
Jul 28 23:57:24 <LoneStar99> Stoken:  have you tried restarting the mobile and trying again?
Jul 28 23:57:39 <Stoken> no it comes no icon, only would be opend the browser
Jul 28 23:57:42 <halfhalo-work> webOSNewbie: This is a PG-13(ish) channel.
Jul 28 23:57:51 <LoneStar99> lol
Jul 28 23:57:54 <Stoken> wait i test after reboot
Jul 28 23:58:02 <webOSNewbie> PG-13?
Jul 28 23:58:04 <webOSNewbie> oh.
Jul 28 23:58:10 <webOSNewbie> Only one I could find
Jul 28 23:58:33 <webOSNewbie> No conferences/dev days/classes on webOS in my state
Jul 28 23:58:47 <halfhalo-work> you just have to be aware that there is a distinct possibility for launguage you/your parents find distasteful
Jul 28 23:58:49 <Stoken> where sould be the dev icon if it should be run?
Jul 28 23:58:53 <webOSNewbie> 12 is a disadvantage to a developer
Jul 28 23:59:04 <LoneStar99> we try really hard to keep profanity out, but we are humans and tend to squeeze out some four letter words here and there
Jul 28 23:59:14 <webOSNewbie> thanks
Jul 29 00:00:21 <webOSNewbie> One peek by my parents could jepardize my ability to develop
Jul 29 00:00:57 <Stoken> device needs really long for reboot
Jul 29 00:01:13 <LoneStar99> this irc channel is cleaner than a mcdonalds =)
Jul 29 00:01:25 <halfhalo-work> and every kfc.  ever.
Jul 29 00:01:49 <Stoken> devices is rebooted
Jul 29 00:01:50 <webOSNewbie> I don't go often
Jul 29 00:02:05 <LoneStar99> lol, halfhalo the kfc here in manzanillo mexico tastes like crap
Jul 29 00:02:16 <Stoken> so i type again in this with upupdown...
Jul 29 00:02:25 <halfhalo-work> LoneStar: thats just like every kfc
Jul 29 00:03:34 <Stoken> yeahhh
Jul 29 00:03:35 <LoneStar99> went the other day, chicken lacks the Coronels ingredients, is bad like 1-10 (1.5)
Jul 29 00:03:58 <Stoken> it runs devmode icon comes what to do yet?
Jul 29 00:03:59 <LoneStar99> but the place is always packed
Jul 29 00:04:10 <webOSNewbie> Never been to KFC
Jul 29 00:04:19 <Stoken> i never too
Jul 29 00:04:23 <halfhalo-work> WHAT IS WITH THIS GENERATION
Jul 29 00:04:25 <Stoken> but i want
Jul 29 00:04:36 <Stoken> i like the american food flavour
Jul 29 00:04:46 <LoneStar99> the cleanest francise here is mcdonalds, BK is dirty
Jul 29 00:04:55 <webOSNewbie> I've seen both
Jul 29 00:05:03 <webOSNewbie> I prefer BK in my town
Jul 29 00:05:06 <webOSNewbie> closer
Jul 29 00:05:08 <webOSNewbie> cleaner
Jul 29 00:05:13 <webOSNewbie> better-tasting
Jul 29 00:05:16 * halfhalo-work shall have wendys for dinner
Jul 29 00:05:24 <webOSNewbie> Ever had McDonald's in Asia?
Jul 29 00:05:27 <webOSNewbie> AWESOME!!!!
Jul 29 00:05:31 <webOSNewbie> shrimp burger
Jul 29 00:05:34 <webOSNewbie> yum
Jul 29 00:05:38 <webOSNewbie> and soups
Jul 29 00:05:40 <LoneStar99> really, not here, DQ blizzards are good here
Jul 29 00:05:42 <webOSNewbie> and healthier
Jul 29 00:05:50 <LoneStar99> shrimp burger where?
Jul 29 00:05:58 <webOSNewbie> McDonald's in ASia
Jul 29 00:06:01 <LoneStar99> i like shrimp burgers
Jul 29 00:06:02 <LoneStar99> nice
Jul 29 00:06:07 <webOSNewbie> I'm hungry
Jul 29 00:06:12 <webOSNewbie> 6:06pm
Jul 29 00:06:24 <halfhalo-work> silly people in the wrong time zone
Jul 29 00:06:25 <webOSNewbie> Never been to Wendy's
Jul 29 00:06:34 <webOSNewbie> not my fault
Jul 29 00:06:37 <LoneStar99> wendys is fine
Jul 29 00:06:38 <webOSNewbie> I'm 12
Jul 29 00:07:09 <LoneStar99> i have a sister that is 11.5 and she is spoiled, her nickname is "princess" lol
Jul 29 00:07:19 <webOSNewbie> LOlZ
Jul 29 00:07:31 <halfhalo-work> my brother is friggin spoiled.
Jul 29 00:07:58 * fxspec06 hacked the P|C site
Jul 29 00:08:16 <fxspec06> http://www.precentral.net/hp-gearing-pre3-apps-early-access-emulator-coming-week <<<<<<<<<< notice the horizontal scroller.........
Jul 29 00:08:50 <halfhalo-work> HP WHY YOU NO SELL PRE3 YET SO I CAN BUY ONE?!?!?
Jul 29 00:09:03 <LoneStar99> my lil sis has: the wii, xbox kinetic, hp laptop, macbook laptop, 2 ds devices and not sure what else
Jul 29 00:09:16 <fxspec06> lol, xbox kinetic
Jul 29 00:10:28 <webOSNewbie> kinetic?
Jul 29 00:10:55 <webOSNewbie> I have 4 PDAs, one laptop, one computer, and two shared computers
Jul 29 00:10:59 <webOSNewbie> all hand-me0downs
Jul 29 00:11:01 <fxspec06> yeah the xbox kinetic. you know, similar to the playstation energy
Jul 29 00:11:09 <webOSNewbie> Oh.
Jul 29 00:11:42 <Stoken> must i the dev mode shut after preware instalation?
Jul 29 00:12:02 <halfhalo-work> my brother has a 360 + kinect, droid 2, ps3, wii, MB, and a quad core desktop.  oh, and a fancy directv dvr in his room.
Jul 29 00:12:40 <LoneStar99> halfhalo-work:  how old is your bro?
Jul 29 00:12:46 <halfhalo-work> 14
Jul 29 00:13:01 <LoneStar99> damn, that is nuts lol
Jul 29 00:13:20 <LoneStar99> at 14 I had a bmx bike and a skateboard
Jul 29 00:13:24 <Stoken> i have to install the preware apps with my desktop?
Jul 29 00:13:47 <halfhalo-work> Stoken: only preware itself.
Jul 29 00:14:13 <fxspec06> when i was 14 i had a psone w/ two games and a brick phone for emergency calls only
Jul 29 00:14:24 <fxspec06> and a bmx bike and a skateboard
Jul 29 00:14:46 <webOSNewbie> when I was 14... nevermind.  Hasn't happened yet.
Jul 29 00:14:54 <LoneStar99> no mobile here until i was like 21 or maybe like 23
Jul 29 00:15:11 <LoneStar99> bbl time to go, office is now closed
Jul 29 00:15:20 <halfhalo-work> I had a nokia brick when I was 14.  I LOVED THAT PHONE
Jul 29 00:15:31 <LoneStar99> Bricks are killer
Jul 29 00:15:51 <webOSNewbie> useful only for houses
Jul 29 00:16:02 <LoneStar99> HP Brick with WebOS would nice
Jul 29 00:16:03 <Stoken> how
Jul 29 00:16:04 <halfhalo-work> and as weapons
Jul 29 00:16:12 <webOSNewbie> what is a brick?
Jul 29 00:16:42 <Stoken> i have on my desktop yet a window with a change of different apps categories, you known what i mean
Jul 29 00:16:43 <Stoken> ?
Jul 29 00:16:49 <LoneStar99> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7432915/
Jul 29 00:21:17 <LoneStar99> laters, my 286 desktop has to be shutdown
Jul 29 00:23:33 <Stoken> okay thanks its run
Jul 29 00:23:52 <Stoken> i wish nice day or night everyone here in german is night attime
Jul 29 00:24:02 <Stoken> okay bye
Jul 29 00:32:14 <webOSNewbie> go Kraftwerk!
Jul 29 00:44:40 * webOSNewbie just caught a housefly with his bare hands
Jul 29 00:47:01 <PuffTheMagic> can anyone describe how a dragscroller is different than a basic scroller?
Jul 29 00:58:13 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back
Jul 29 02:01:42 <PatrickC> people in the early access program: check the forum! //from: Chuq
Jul 29 02:01:43 <PatrickC> :)
Jul 29 02:03:14 <PatrickC> fxspec06: ping
Jul 29 02:07:12 <PatrickC> hey dawm
Jul 29 02:07:19 <dawm> no
Jul 29 02:08:41 <PatrickC> what?
Jul 29 02:09:07 <PatrickC> I wasn't gonna ask.. srsly lol
Jul 29 02:12:55 <dawm> http://www.humblebundle.com/
Jul 29 02:12:57 <dawm> again
Jul 29 02:12:58 <dawm> do it
Jul 29 02:13:56 <PatrickC> what?
Jul 29 02:22:20 <twbbas-away> Hey PatrickC
Jul 29 02:22:31 <PatrickC> twbbas: I got prettier UI
Jul 29 02:22:34 <PatrickC> and villo working
Jul 29 02:22:35 <twbbas> Nice
Jul 29 02:22:40 <twbbas> I got a question about Villo
Jul 29 02:22:56 <twbbas> How does Villo get around this? https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/96767088357670912
Jul 29 02:23:43 <PatrickC> what does villo have to do with that?
Jul 29 02:25:26 <PatrickC> twbbas: you can ask villo yourself if you want, sorry.. idk..
Jul 29 02:25:29 <twbbas> don't they sell in app items?
Jul 29 02:25:33 <PatrickC> @VilloServices iirc
Jul 29 02:25:40 <PatrickC> yes they do I believe
Jul 29 02:25:41 <twbbas> yeah, was just curious if you knew
Jul 29 02:26:05 <PatrickC> @VilloServices
Jul 29 02:56:54 * webOSNewbie is back (gone 01:58:40)
Jul 29 02:57:10 <PatrickC> hey webOSNewbie
Jul 29 02:57:13 <webOSNewbie> hi
Jul 29 02:57:22 <webOSNewbie> parents watching
Jul 29 02:57:26 <PatrickC> how's learning js coming?
Jul 29 02:57:33 <PatrickC> ok
Jul 29 02:57:43 <webOSNewbie> I'm not doing much right now
Jul 29 02:57:54 <webOSNewbie> just working on a scene
Jul 29 02:58:02 <PatrickC> cool
Jul 29 02:58:11 <PatrickC> gl
Jul 29 02:58:18 <PatrickC> lemme know if you need help
Jul 29 02:58:22 <PatrickC> enyo or mojo?
Jul 29 02:59:00 * webOSNewbie is taking a bath: parents yelled at me
Jul 29 02:59:04 * webOSNewbie is away: I need to go, but I'll be back
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