**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 02 02:59:57 2011 Aug 02 03:01:13 it's time to LIVE, son! Aug 02 03:01:24 break in that keyboard of yours Aug 02 03:05:35 guess who just had sugar cookies for dinner?! Aug 02 03:05:55 lemme guess? you? :) Aug 02 03:06:12 :) Aug 02 03:06:20 That's one healthy dinner there Aug 02 03:07:33 guess who is about to make the biggest purchase of his life?! Aug 02 03:07:38 I have a very active edit button when it comes to things that allow me to think about what I write Aug 02 03:07:52 but in IRC, hah, no edit button Aug 02 03:07:57 lol Aug 02 03:08:03 PatrickC: when you were only able to walk for 2/3s of your life, that doesn't really qualify :) Aug 02 03:08:06 lol Aug 02 03:08:45 burned Aug 02 03:09:06 hahaahhahahah Aug 02 03:09:19 Tibfib: don't laugh too hard over there.... Aug 02 03:09:23 ;) Aug 02 03:09:25 Let's hope HP responds: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16284&p=85415#p85415 Aug 02 03:09:29 PatrickC: did you get your coupon then? Aug 02 03:09:37 biggest purchase of life is a dev discounted TP? Aug 02 03:09:44 Tibfib: yes Aug 02 03:09:49 rwatkins: I'm 15.. Aug 02 03:09:50 akanster: I could walk before age 5 Aug 02 03:10:02 how many big purchases have I made? :) Aug 02 03:10:06 I guess at 15 .. yea, mine was likely about the same. Aug 02 03:10:17 now I've got 29 more years on my mortgage. Aug 02 03:10:21 * Tibfib has bout laptop, wii, psp, etc Aug 02 03:10:23 PatrickC: Probably a coke and that's about it, right? Aug 02 03:10:25 s/bout/bought/ Aug 02 03:10:33 haha Aug 02 03:10:38 :p Aug 02 03:11:17 viennachannels.com Aug 02 03:11:50 rwatkins: You should have taken this guy's approach: http://lybio.net/man-claims-300k-house-for-16-dollars-neighbors-are-mad/people/ Aug 02 03:11:58 squat in a house for 3 years and get it for $16 Aug 02 03:12:54 do I get 3 touchpads? :) Aug 02 03:12:56 for $300k you can probably buy half of a walk in closet in Park Slope. Aug 02 03:13:08 rwatkins: Park Slope... where? Aug 02 03:13:13 Brooklyn, NY Aug 02 03:13:19 dang Aug 02 03:13:20 NuttyBunny.. :) Aug 02 03:13:37 PatrickC: I'll bid on one of them. First offer... $5! Aug 02 03:13:51 add 2 0's to that :) Aug 02 03:13:57 $5.00 Aug 02 03:14:07 lol Aug 02 03:14:17 move the decimal 2 places to the right.. Aug 02 03:14:36 No thanks Aug 02 03:14:40 I got outbid Aug 02 03:14:41 lol Aug 02 03:14:50 fine... I'll take $6 Aug 02 03:14:52 That's it, Photofun IS READY, last beta, who has a TP and wants to play? :D Aug 02 03:14:59 NuttyBunny: Me Me! Pick me!!! Aug 02 03:15:04 * PatrickC raises hand!!! Aug 02 03:15:07 in about 2 days Aug 02 03:15:12 slow hand raise, eh? Aug 02 03:15:18 yep Aug 02 03:15:23 waiting for a package Aug 02 03:15:29 special order Aug 02 03:15:40 ah, your 6-pack of Coke is coming? Aug 02 03:15:44 Big money Aug 02 03:15:59 NuttyBunny: You got my email, right? Aug 02 03:16:25 NuttyBunny: check twitter Aug 02 03:16:42 twbbas: nope. my enyo is coming Aug 02 03:17:29 anyone else got a loaner tp? Aug 02 03:17:36 got a question... Aug 02 03:17:40 yes Aug 02 03:17:53 rwatkins: how long was shipping? Aug 02 03:17:57 but I got it pre July-1 so came with a bunch of paperwork as well. Aug 02 03:18:06 ah Aug 02 03:18:19 any of you find a better case option than the official one Aug 02 03:18:21 then is yours really a loaner? Aug 02 03:18:23 the flap is getting on my nerves Aug 02 03:18:36 nmcintyre: I've heard the majority of the iPad 1 cases work well Aug 02 03:18:51 hmm, i am looking for something that is just a sleeve of sorts Aug 02 03:18:54 * PatrickC <3 $386.35 Aug 02 03:19:00 thats what the papers said, but yea, no part of the official dev loaner program I guess. Aug 02 03:19:01 will have to do some checking then Aug 02 03:19:20 been debating cutting the flap off Aug 02 03:19:22 all together Aug 02 03:19:22 rwatkins: ok Aug 02 03:19:25 I made a sleeve out of USPS priority package envelopes. Aug 02 03:19:38 anyone got a touchpad thru the official loaner program? Aug 02 03:20:43 PatrickC: you were a green belt? Aug 02 03:20:53 * Tibfib could do math.... Aug 02 03:21:15 Tibfib: brown with loyalty Aug 02 03:21:15 twbbas: No need for email, I'm on a slow 128k upload link, I upload it to dropbox, you subscribe to my feed via preware, update feeds, install app.. easy ;) Aug 02 03:21:24 :/ Aug 02 03:21:39 why? what are u? Aug 02 03:21:56 no clue Aug 02 03:22:01 man? machine? Aug 02 03:22:08 lemme PM you something you might like.. Aug 02 03:22:10 NuttyBunny: Oh yeah, forgot. Just ping me when it's uploaded. Aug 02 03:22:17 NuttyBunny: Aug 02 03:22:19 oop Aug 02 03:23:58 need a patch to turn off rotation lock when docked in touchstone. Aug 02 03:25:06 NuttyBunny: ETA on upload? I need to sleep soon. Aug 02 03:26:25 twbbas: No idea, 20 minutes maybe. Don't worry, the RC will download everything from the net, all my betas had everything in one package, but now that I can move my things around with node.js, it will be fine Aug 02 03:26:49 * NuttyBunny has earned the power of node.js directory creation and file saving :) Aug 02 03:27:36 NuttyBunny: Did you learn how to make a hidden folder? Aug 02 03:28:20 .folder/files.png ? Aug 02 03:28:24 twbbas: nope, didn't research on that Aug 02 03:28:40 Tibfib: That just hides it from webOS, not from like Windows, for example. Aug 02 03:28:45 Tibfib: but that folder appears under windows in usb mode, don't it? Aug 02 03:28:48 ah, you want to do both Aug 02 03:28:53 Tibfib: Correct. Aug 02 03:30:47 great. fuck. I can't login to dropbox Aug 02 03:35:28 Is there any homebrew to export (not backup) txts? Aug 02 03:35:48 not that I know of Aug 02 03:35:54 I need to find somethinnina text but ive got over 3000 to scroll thru Aug 02 03:36:03 lol Aug 02 03:36:36 dawm-ipod: Have you tried just typing from the main messaging screen? Aug 02 03:36:42 Thats not my longest txt thread either heh thats just one from 20 days ago Aug 02 03:36:51 oh nevermind, it only searches names Aug 02 03:36:53 Ive gt one thats 2 yrs old Aug 02 03:37:06 Yeah i need to find somethinninside a thred Aug 02 03:37:14 Grr stupid ipod Aug 02 03:37:31 dawm-ipod: Surely the convos are saved in a file somewhere? I bet if you can find that file then you may have a chance at reading it. Aug 02 03:38:01 Oh i know the file, palmdatabase.db3 Aug 02 03:38:20 dawm: there are ways to export Aug 02 03:38:26 check out precentral.net Aug 02 03:38:30 But i was hoping by now homebrew would have something to search Aug 02 03:38:33 I'm sure there's a forum search Aug 02 03:38:34 'strings palmdatabase.db3' Aug 02 03:38:55 Tib ive loked its all about just backing up that file and restorig it Aug 02 03:39:21 Nothing about locating specifics inside a txt thread other than manually scrolling for days **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 02 03:41:18 2011 Aug 02 03:41:25 twbbas: sure, np :) it's still uploading :S Aug 02 03:41:55 NuttyBunny: Does it say how much longer? Aug 02 03:41:57 I cannot belieeve there isnt a hack or something Aug 02 03:42:03 dawm-ipod: Same. Aug 02 03:42:16 I guess it's just not that wide of a problem Aug 02 03:42:24 Not many people txt 3k :D Aug 02 03:42:24 dawm-ipod: its likely just a sqlite3 db - extract the file to your PC and use an sqlite tool to browse the db. Aug 02 03:42:32 Its a handy feature Aug 02 03:43:03 twbbas: Im at like 5700~ and i still have 7 days left before i resets Aug 02 03:43:05 reorderable lists in enyo would be a nice feature too, but also does not exist. Aug 02 03:43:10 life is tough sometimes. Aug 02 03:43:11 twbbas: ah! 1 min left... the letters were black in a dark-grey background ;) Aug 02 03:43:24 NuttyBunny: Sweet. I'll wait then. Aug 02 03:43:56 dawm: someone should add a "jump to" patch for sms Aug 02 03:43:59 I _really_ like Pivot as a mechanism for app discovery Aug 02 03:44:00 jump to day Aug 02 03:44:30 summatusmentis: ya, its also much more useful when the apps all exist in the app catalog too. Aug 02 03:44:35 Or a search when inside a txt thread Aug 02 03:44:46 that would be cool too Aug 02 03:44:47 rwatkins: indeed :) Aug 02 03:44:57 I cant believe there isnt one tho Aug 02 03:44:58 but imagine running a search with a 3k length array Aug 02 03:45:18 dawm: I bet if you scroll to the very top, you'll find an array Aug 02 03:45:23 s/array/search bar/ Aug 02 03:45:33 Ive got a thread thats 2yrs old.. Aug 02 03:46:16 Infact i accusentky deleted it once then got a txt from that person and the while thing returned Aug 02 03:46:16 twbbas: I used to text that much Aug 02 03:46:24 I've swapped phones and doctored so many times that's not feasible here. Aug 02 03:46:27 long-distance girlfriend Aug 02 03:46:32 thos are the best Aug 02 03:46:44 for varying definitions of the word best Aug 02 03:46:56 to each their own Aug 02 03:47:05 heh Aug 02 03:47:07 gooooooooooodnight everyone Aug 02 03:47:34 Yah ive been txting a lot more than usual Aug 02 03:47:54 From 1200~ to now 5700~ Aug 02 03:47:59 NuttyBunny: What's the version #? Aug 02 03:48:20 Ive been talking to this one chick almost allday everyday via txts Aug 02 03:48:22 0.9.11, I still have to run the ipk generator.. Aug 02 03:48:38 ipk feed generator Aug 02 03:48:43 dawm-ipod: yep, that's how I generated large amounts of texts Aug 02 03:48:47 women :-P Aug 02 03:49:02 Same reason why i need search! Aug 02 03:49:23 Need to recall some info Aug 02 03:49:41 * NuttyBunny facepalms and disables the upload throttle in dropbox Aug 02 03:50:10 hahahaha Aug 02 03:51:19 nighty night all hope everyone had good day Aug 02 03:51:27 bye bye Aug 02 03:51:41 bye! Aug 02 03:51:49 * fxspec06_ blows kisses Aug 02 03:51:53 lol l8er Aug 02 03:51:56 so tired Aug 02 03:52:54 twbbas: Sorry pal, I don't know what this stupid dropbox just did... now it says it's uploading 1 file, and that it'll take 53 mins :@ Aug 02 03:53:14 and of course, it didn't upload the ipk yet Aug 02 03:53:24 NuttyBunny: Welp. I think I'm gonna try it first thing in the morning Aug 02 03:53:35 I'll send you a quick email before I leave for the day tomorrow Aug 02 03:53:41 ok! Aug 02 03:53:54 g'night #webos Aug 02 03:55:55 * NuttyBunny takes the dog out.. brb Aug 02 03:59:47 eff. yes. Luna doesn't restart when it tries to load websites anymore Aug 02 04:00:08 summatusmentis: sometimes Aug 02 04:01:25 twbbas_, you gone? It has finished :) Aug 02 04:02:21 well, the two that I've tried don't make it crash (known to crash on 3.0.0) Aug 02 04:02:33 For anyone who would like to test: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7157044/beta/photofun/com.nuttybunny.photofunbeta_0.9.11_all.ipk (uninstall previous version if you have it) Aug 02 04:05:53 app update with fixes for stuff that broke in 3.0.2 ... "Ready for Review" *sigh* Aug 02 04:12:33 * PatrickC wanders in Aug 02 04:12:53 * PatrickC installs NuttyBunny's app Aug 02 04:14:47 NuttyBunny: still 11.4MB? Aug 02 04:21:42 PatrickC: Answer Aug 02 04:21:52 how fast was shipping? Aug 02 04:22:00 on the loaner? Aug 02 04:22:06 yep Aug 02 04:22:07 It was ground Aug 02 04:22:09 summatusmentis: ping Aug 02 04:22:14 so 3-5 days? Aug 02 04:22:18 yep Aug 02 04:22:21 ok Aug 02 04:22:32 what's up PatrickC? Aug 02 04:22:40 you use ampache? Aug 02 04:22:46 (or however its spelled) Aug 02 04:23:35 I do Aug 02 04:23:54 ok.. I might have some questions later.. gonna try and set it up Aug 02 04:23:59 or, normally I do, I haven't been recently (because the location where I am currently has really crappy service) Aug 02 04:26:52 PatrickC: This is the last time the app will be that big. The Release candidate (and final) will check if there are new frames to download and ask if you want to get them Aug 02 04:27:02 ah Aug 02 04:27:09 it looks ok on the pre2 Aug 02 04:28:35 seriously.. Aug 02 04:28:47 yes. Aug 02 04:28:49 why in the hell does this always freeze up when im trying to do something simple.. like attaching a file Aug 02 04:28:57 i hate the email app Aug 02 04:29:03 pre2? Aug 02 04:29:34 still waiting for the phone to be responsive.. Aug 02 04:29:46 is there a way to turn off automatically check all accounts then second i open the email app? Aug 02 04:29:52 cant send an email if the damn shit locks up Aug 02 04:32:23 oh now firefox is being stupid Aug 02 04:32:32 wtf is this.. technology no work hour? Aug 02 04:32:42 how can i set the size of something dynamically after it has been resized Aug 02 04:32:50 after it has been rendered i mean Aug 02 04:36:11 set width, height, and call render() again? Aug 02 04:37:15 ya how do i actually set somethings height, eveything i try is not working Aug 02 04:37:52 hmm but im not calling render Aug 02 04:39:16 PuffTheMagic: are you using the RichText control for the editing? Aug 02 04:39:29 no Aug 02 04:39:48 how are you doing it? Aug 02 04:39:54 doing what? Aug 02 04:40:07 aren't you writing an IDE/editor? Aug 02 04:40:15 ya Aug 02 04:40:28 it just uses regular dom elements Aug 02 04:40:34 anyone written any wrapper libraires around enyo? Aug 02 04:40:34 and the editing .. text selection, etc... what control is that being rendered into? Aug 02 04:40:45 custom control Aug 02 04:41:12 so you take keyboard input, but how do you do text selection? Aug 02 04:41:47 i dont do that atm Aug 02 04:41:53 ah. Aug 02 04:41:57 well i did have that Aug 02 04:42:00 but it was messing up scrolling Aug 02 04:42:06 it was just tap and trang Aug 02 04:42:08 drag Aug 02 04:42:11 so no double tap, select, then drag controls to copy/paste? Aug 02 04:42:11 and it would highlight Aug 02 04:42:23 i need to change it so that it tap and hold to enable highlight Aug 02 04:42:25 then drag Aug 02 04:42:48 all this done with custom dom, or the webkit native selection controls? Aug 02 04:43:08 well both Aug 02 04:43:15 IE do you get the selection start/end markers to drag, the cut/paste popup, etc? Aug 02 04:43:37 i havent gotten to cut/paste popup yet Aug 02 04:43:42 i need to do that Aug 02 04:43:49 wtf is this Aug 02 04:43:54 happytesters.com Aug 02 04:44:02 why is it in my database Aug 02 04:44:07 so whats the underlying control? just regular html, or a form input control so that webkit gives you additional selection options? Aug 02 04:44:33 testers with a smile, happytesters.com Aug 02 04:44:43 and now try happytesters+.com Aug 02 04:44:43 i found it in my palmdatabase.db3 ;p Aug 02 04:44:45 does not use input Aug 02 04:44:56 under emailaccountdefinitions Aug 02 04:44:59 just
Aug 02 04:46:26 rwatkins, cant be giving away all me secrets before its even released ;) Aug 02 04:46:34 is it marked "contentEditable"? Aug 02 04:46:45 my largest sms thread is 8849 Aug 02 04:46:55 PuffTheMagic: as soon as it is, the source is browseable. :) Aug 02 04:46:56 which is 2yrs old Aug 02 04:47:06 the one thats 20days old is 4912~ Aug 02 04:47:20 rwatkins, nope Aug 02 04:47:34 no "contentEditable" Aug 02 04:47:53 trying to figure out how to provide content selection w/o form controls or a webview. Aug 02 04:48:50 so how do you do text selection? Aug 02 04:49:35 right now selectstart Aug 02 04:49:37 event Aug 02 04:49:59 and onmousedown Aug 02 04:50:17 and moving the cursor with the touch event Aug 02 04:50:26 normal app ui in webos is not selectable, so how do you get selection events? Aug 02 04:50:56 im not using any enyo widgets for my editor area Aug 02 04:51:11 i turned the editor into a custom control Aug 02 04:51:17 that i wrap in other enyo stuff Aug 02 04:51:41 sure, but I still dont quite get how text selection is enabled? Aug 02 04:52:18 cant you just make your own? Aug 02 04:52:40 There goes PuffTheMagic's patience Aug 02 04:52:58 with css Aug 02 04:53:04 u can make something look selected Aug 02 04:53:39 * NuttyBunny goes to sleep Aug 02 04:53:50 correct. but you get selection start events even in regular application html? Aug 02 04:54:17 ya i guess so Aug 02 04:54:27 hm. Aug 02 04:54:39 event.addListener(editor.container, "selectstart", function(e) { Aug 02 04:54:49 hm Aug 02 04:56:02 I just understood those events to only apply to textareas or inputs Aug 02 04:56:08 not arbitrary divs. Aug 02 04:56:55 the editor probably uses a drag event Aug 02 04:57:15 then changes the background color of the characters accordingly Aug 02 04:57:27 since each character is an element (right PuffTheMagic?) Aug 02 04:57:44 oil: ok, I can see that but then how do you compute which characters got dragged over? Aug 02 04:58:01 right Aug 02 04:58:03 each char wrapped in a span? Aug 02 04:58:06 it knows the width and height of each character Aug 02 04:58:19 im sure its not hard to compute which character was at the start/end Aug 02 04:58:20 each char is its own mini dom element Aug 02 04:58:25 aaah Aug 02 04:58:28 ok. Aug 02 04:58:58 and you have a fixed width font, so fairly easy to compute I guess. Aug 02 04:59:55 So .. my guess is you've ported something Bespin, didnt just write this from scratch yourself? Aug 02 05:01:08 ;) Aug 02 05:01:34 haha Aug 02 05:03:22 but then I guess we'll find out. Aug 02 05:03:23 thx Aug 02 05:05:31 so this is not a webos internals "developers share code with one another, so there's no need to hide things or be afraid of ideas being stolen" kinda project? Aug 02 05:06:15 haha Aug 02 05:07:01 yeah, we hide things so well in our public git repos :) Aug 02 05:07:06 activerecord_id 9895604649987 Aug 02 05:07:21 I'm just asking about Puff's editor and he is being very .. coy. Aug 02 05:07:52 http://git.webos-internals.org/enyo/editah/ Aug 02 05:07:59 activerecord_id 9895604649985 Aug 02 05:08:00 er oops Aug 02 05:08:03 it even says "a native enyo ajax cloud9 editor" Aug 02 05:08:15 there ya go Aug 02 05:08:21 was that so hard? Aug 02 05:08:28 * oil is not developing it Aug 02 05:08:38 * rwhitby neither Aug 02 05:09:53 PuffTheMagic: so you *are* giving away all your secrets before its released, you're just trying to be quite about it. Aug 02 05:10:04 s/quite/quiet/ Aug 02 05:10:37 quite quiet Aug 02 05:11:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik - crocodile alligator! Aug 02 05:11:35 * rwatkins mumbles 'git clone ...' Aug 02 05:12:47 i will hunt people down Aug 02 05:13:22 PuffTheMagic: so open, or not open? Aug 02 05:13:30 gotta pick Aug 02 05:14:23 its opensource, just would suck if someone takes what im working on and ruins things for me Aug 02 05:14:32 before it even makes a release Aug 02 05:15:33 lol Aug 02 05:15:41 I'm not writing any editor, but for christ sake, the point of open source ... Aug 02 05:15:54 careful, PatrickC might try and integrate it into his app :-P Aug 02 05:15:58 * oil still remembers that guy who forked preware and made the only change of naming it "installer" Aug 02 05:16:07 and was like "check this out!" Aug 02 05:16:26 haha Aug 02 05:16:28 it was awesome Aug 02 05:16:32 I remember that too.. :) Aug 02 05:16:42 summatusmentis: what's my next feature? :) Aug 02 05:16:44 was that you? Aug 02 05:17:08 oil: no Aug 02 05:17:09 /me catches up reading this IRC channel Aug 02 05:17:13 lol Aug 02 05:17:19 I would never rip off wOSI apps lol Aug 02 05:17:24 PatrickC: just teasing you, Puff is worried about someone "scooping" his app Aug 02 05:17:53 lol Aug 02 05:17:59 I should really do some actual webOS work at some point Aug 02 05:18:06 now.. to find out why my app isn't displaying HYML Aug 02 05:18:09 what is the webosintenrals preferred license? GPL, or Apache? Aug 02 05:18:10 HTML* Aug 02 05:18:12 Select messageText,timeStamp from com_palm_pim_FolderEntry WHERE fromAddress=### order by timeStamp; Aug 02 05:18:15 doh Aug 02 05:18:16 sorry Aug 02 05:18:24 rwatkins: GPL iirc Aug 02 05:18:25 there are all these things I want, but don't feel like I can do (mostly due to time) Aug 02 05:19:03 * oil feels like dawm is coding his brain over irc Aug 02 05:19:33 xchat is an easy to use textbox for me to paste, but i keep accidently sending Aug 02 05:20:06 you build on others GPL work and then you must release source and leave it open to others to build on yours. Aug 02 05:20:22 trying to figure out a sql query to export sms messages Aug 02 05:28:42 ^ if you distribute it Aug 02 05:33:31 well there Aug 02 05:33:37 ive got a sql query that works Aug 02 05:34:47 pesky semi-colin Aug 02 05:35:44 rwatkins-afk: webos-internals has no preferred license. it's up to each author to choose for themselves Aug 02 05:36:55 rwatkins-afk: we choose MIT for patches so that HP can incorporate them if they choose Aug 02 05:40:16 i'm trying to call a service i wrote and getting not permitted to send to error from app... on a touchpad Aug 02 05:41:38 Did you set your service to be public? Aug 02 05:42:14 i set the commands to be public Aug 02 05:42:29 does the top-level service need a public bit? Aug 02 05:43:37 awesome Aug 02 05:44:09 Maybe not, sorry, I forget the details. Aug 02 05:53:10 magic sql query works perfectly Aug 02 05:54:24 dawm: make a Just Type plugin Aug 02 05:54:40 why? Aug 02 05:54:42 im 1.4.5 Aug 02 05:54:45 screw you 2.0 people Aug 02 05:55:23 summatusmentis, twbbas, fxspec06_, NuttyBunny-zzz: check inbox :) Aug 02 05:55:40 man.. forgot to add one thing to the changelog... Aug 02 05:58:16 haha Aug 02 05:58:54 it was minor.. but still lol Aug 02 05:59:25 I'll just add that feature /officially/ in 0.0.41 Aug 02 06:00:11 * PatrickC had to make do with regular HTML for the changelog... Aug 02 06:00:20 couldn't get Govnah's code to work Aug 02 06:00:50 I bet you didn't look in the app/models directory Aug 02 06:01:04 nope.. didn't Aug 02 06:01:14 probably should have though... Aug 02 06:01:36 the source.json would have been a clue ... Aug 02 06:02:00 Good morning Aug 02 06:02:06 g'day hotdp Aug 02 06:03:01 and I found it... thanks rwhitby Aug 02 06:03:08 I'll try that tomorrow.. Aug 02 06:03:16 PatrickC: did you recieve your discount?= Aug 02 06:03:22 yes Aug 02 06:03:33 :( Aug 02 06:03:35 well, loaner for now. I will buy though Aug 02 06:03:40 %¤¤%%#¤%# Aug 02 06:03:50 you didn't I presume? Aug 02 06:04:42 no he did not answer that question, kind of funny, wrote 3 and he answered the 2 Aug 02 06:06:20 How does it work? Aug 02 06:06:26 is it some kind of codes? Aug 02 06:06:38 yep Aug 02 06:06:55 its a code you put in on a specific site. that isn't even hosted by HP/Palm Aug 02 06:07:48 I see and then you pay and they send it? Aug 02 06:08:12 I got a loaner, so you don't pay, and they send it :) Aug 02 06:08:26 credit card required, in case you don't send it back in time Aug 02 06:08:28 I see, but i would like to buy Aug 02 06:08:50 you can get a loaner (seems faster) and then buy at the end of the 60 days Aug 02 06:08:55 is what my dev rep told me Aug 02 06:09:17 I'm going to buy too Aug 02 06:09:18 But you have recived the codes asswell right? (for buying) Aug 02 06:09:26 nope Aug 02 06:09:42 its the same price if you buy the loaner or just buy it outright Aug 02 06:09:58 lol Aug 02 06:09:58 either way, I get it for $389.35 Aug 02 06:10:07 :) Aug 02 06:10:16 do you have any idea for a eu price? Aug 02 06:10:28 usually double :) Aug 02 06:10:33 haha Aug 02 06:10:38 I only saw US and Canada devices on the portal... Aug 02 06:10:39 true Aug 02 06:10:52 uhh maybe thats why it takes longer Aug 02 06:10:59 not sure if they limited me to that, or if that's all that's available Aug 02 06:11:13 rwhitby: you have a belt yet? Aug 02 06:11:24 rwhitby: have you heard about any dev discount outside us? Aug 02 06:11:55 hotdp: no Aug 02 06:12:13 PatrickC: no, but I'm green by the published requirements Aug 02 06:12:25 really? that stinks.. Aug 02 06:12:43 I don't think so Aug 02 06:12:45 they made me a brown (not sure why) cause I have never attended a workshop Aug 02 06:12:55 how many apps do you have in the app catalog? Aug 02 06:13:00 6 Aug 02 06:13:08 there you go. > 5 Aug 02 06:13:12 rwhitby: you still get alot of stuff for free Aug 02 06:13:22 only 1 maybe 2 I could consider worthy though Aug 02 06:13:33 hotdp: indeed I do. everything webOS device I own in fact. Aug 02 06:13:41 s/everything/every/ Aug 02 06:13:42 well, I'm off to bed. night all Aug 02 06:13:55 so the belt color is not so importent in your case ;) Aug 02 06:14:05 ah, fun discovery, some degree of permission decision making is done by the app id Aug 02 06:14:07 night PatrickC Aug 02 06:14:10 * DougReeder waves goodnight Aug 02 06:14:16 night hotdp and DougReeder Aug 02 06:14:28 so my app id was like a.b.c, package id a.b.c, and service id a.b.c.service Aug 02 06:14:30 hotdp: indeed, anyone has the opportunity to affect their own ability to get free stuff :) Aug 02 06:14:39 changed app id to a.b.c.app, and now i get a service not found error Aug 02 06:15:02 DraX: that is correct Aug 02 06:15:09 Oh, yeah, I posted on the dev forum about naming patterns known to work. Aug 02 06:15:16 DraX: you need a role file Aug 02 06:15:17 I had to play "palm" in my translation app Aug 02 06:15:20 I never tried another, so I didn't encounter that error. Aug 02 06:15:25 rwhitby: i have one in prv and pub Aug 02 06:15:31 rwhitby: also a service.service file Aug 02 06:15:44 DraX: service also needs to be a subdomain of app Aug 02 06:15:51 it states that in the doco Aug 02 06:16:12 there are examples in the wild where that's not true Aug 02 06:16:21 https://github.com/palm/txjs-fortunecookie Aug 02 06:16:25 has the scheme i was trying to use Aug 02 06:16:28 DraX: third-party, or palm ? Aug 02 06:16:42 wait, no, that one has the scheme i switched to Aug 02 06:17:07 nope i'm just crazy Aug 02 06:17:15 the two exmaples i've been looking out do the .app and .service thing Aug 02 06:17:42 anyway, now i get a service not found error, in messages i see a "service not in services file" error Aug 02 06:17:47 but i have not located this mysterious services file Aug 02 06:17:58 services.json Aug 02 06:18:27 you mean service-dir/services.json ? Aug 02 06:18:30 i have one of those Aug 02 06:30:45 * DougReeder waves goodnight. Aug 02 06:51:06 oh good, the solution to the problem was to reboot touchpad :) Aug 02 06:52:20 can i have those hours back please? Aug 02 06:54:43 gotta love caching Aug 02 07:09:13 it's really nice that i can just go look at the enyo source, now i know that AjaxCall won't support non-standard ports and don't have to spend 30 mins trying to make it do it Aug 02 07:10:22 i like how it parses the url to pull out the host, and just ignores the port entirely Aug 02 12:26:02 Hi, I am looking to develop for the webOS platform and I am currently studying Crockford's - JavaScript: the good parts as a start point to learn JScript Aug 02 12:26:48 oki Aug 02 12:27:16 I wanted to know how if the is a major difference between mojo environments and enyo? Aug 02 12:27:51 huge Aug 02 12:28:13 Also, are there any books for enyo dev atm? Aug 02 12:28:31 nope, enyo for dummies is scheduled for november(?) release Aug 02 12:28:37 Or any documentation that I can look at? Aug 02 12:28:40 or october Aug 02 12:29:02 i'm not sure of any docs, but the API is very useful. and the SDK has a tutorial Aug 02 12:29:03 Hmmm, that far away Aug 02 12:29:10 no, not at all Aug 02 12:31:16 Well I currently don't have a TP and ive only just started to do some of the test apps on my Pre+ Aug 02 12:31:26 DreadPhenom: there is alot of getting started and api documentation Aug 02 12:31:37 for enyo Aug 02 12:32:24 i have a mojo app and i'm creating a built in scaler Aug 02 12:32:53 after having a -complete- mojo app, multi stage, it's taken me 3 days so far and this is the 4th day. and it's 80% complete Aug 02 12:33:02 Can some1 highlight just the major changes in enyo? Aug 02 12:33:33 gee that's a touch one Aug 02 12:33:47 Wow dude, ur going too far for my current knowledge of webos dev. Aug 02 12:34:16 1. mojo is based on scenes, you have a html and a js for each 'scene', enyo does this in one file Aug 02 12:34:20 Hopefully soon I can reply with a just response. Aug 02 12:34:33 Kool Aug 02 12:34:55 2. enyo is flexible and someone who doesn't know a lot about developing can pick up on easier Aug 02 12:35:20 3. HP encourages enyo developing, and will be willing to help if you have problems Aug 02 12:35:27 At least this saves time between juggling tabs in notepad++ Aug 02 12:35:38 4. mojo uses prototype framework, enyo does not Aug 02 12:35:49 hmm what else.. Aug 02 12:36:16 something that would require 2 steps in mojo may only take 1 step in enyo Aug 02 12:36:29 Another question. Does anyone use the Eclipse dev envo? Aug 02 12:36:48 i use eclipse. i have completed enyo tutorial w/ it Aug 02 12:37:00 As I started simply using notepad and cmd line Aug 02 12:37:11 Which is better Aug 02 12:37:26 which is better is a touch question to ask Aug 02 12:37:31 answer* Aug 02 12:37:45 it depends on if you've developed applications before, and what your goal is really Aug 02 12:38:00 i think it's important to learn mojo Aug 02 12:38:41 and currently -all- webos devices support mojo Aug 02 12:38:52 only the touchpad supports enyo Aug 02 12:39:09 Well I found notepad++ quite easy to use. I only ran into eclipse after I purchased the webos practicals book which recommended it. Aug 02 12:39:39 Well as mentioned before I only have a pre+ Aug 02 12:39:56 pre 2, pre 3, and veer will all get enyo eventually Aug 02 12:39:56 So mojo will be my main focus Aug 02 12:40:01 pre 3 will have enyo on release Aug 02 12:40:16 i would recommend for a new developer to put main focus on enyo Aug 02 12:40:22 but learn mojo Aug 02 12:40:28 is important Aug 02 12:40:48 then you can make an edumacated decision Aug 02 12:41:49 Hmm Aug 02 12:42:04 like it's really a hard question to answer Aug 02 12:42:04 I am a little confused now. Aug 02 12:42:43 I purchased a lot of books to learn from Aug 02 12:42:58 focus on mojo Aug 02 12:43:36 How does enyo change what you need to learn in terms of JS,CSS and HTML Aug 02 12:43:40 build a solid app in mojo, and release it for pre / pre+ / pre2 / veer / pixi Aug 02 12:43:49 then port it to enyo Aug 02 12:44:08 As I don't want to waste time reading material I don't need to. Aug 02 12:44:13 Kool$ Aug 02 12:44:15 it doesn't relaly. you still need to learn -all- that Aug 02 12:44:38 That was going to be my original route. Aug 02 12:44:44 good choice Aug 02 12:45:13 I only started to question it because of how current mojo apps run on the TP Aug 02 12:45:32 i've got mine running, on both pre and touchpad, in same IPK Aug 02 12:45:41 after 3+ days of hard work Aug 02 12:45:45 so it's possible Aug 02 12:45:46 But as you mentiond b4 support for pre2,veer n pre3 will arrive in due course.$ Aug 02 12:45:55 yes, due course Aug 02 12:46:06 HP just said last week that pre 3 will have enyo support on release Aug 02 12:46:20 but they also said that legacy devices would get 2.1 Aug 02 12:46:43 Lol Aug 02 12:47:08 Well my pre+ is on 2.1 wor Aug 02 12:47:09 and they pretty much lead us all to believe that pre 2 would get 3.0 soon Aug 02 12:47:20 and now it's looking like january Aug 02 12:47:23 nobody really knows Aug 02 12:47:47 i wouldn't dev for something that may or may not happen, i'd go for what's available right now Aug 02 12:47:56 Also my other issue is that here in the UK, O2 arent stocking the pre3 :-( Aug 02 12:48:20 u can prob get one and swap the comm board Aug 02 12:48:24 idk, hey i gotta run Aug 02 12:48:27 got appt to go to Aug 02 12:48:28 bbl Aug 02 12:48:36 webos101.com Aug 02 12:48:46 webosinternals.com Aug 02 12:48:52 developer.palm.com Aug 02 12:48:54 Tanx for the help Aug 02 12:49:01 precentral.net Aug 02 12:49:03 n/p ttyl Aug 02 12:49:09 I know those sites well Aug 02 13:07:57 * PatrickC yawns Aug 02 13:07:59 morning Aug 02 13:22:45 Mornings PatrickC Aug 02 13:23:04 hey hotdp. what's up? Aug 02 13:23:25 still at work :S Aug 02 13:23:32 as when you went to sleep Aug 02 13:24:44 can I sync my Palm-Account data with my computer somehow? On the website, there is only reset and status … Aug 02 13:28:13 not really, webOS is not intended to be tied to a personal computer in that way Aug 02 13:30:19 summatusmentis: that is what I thought. But if I sync my data to a palm account, how can I use them on my computer? Aug 02 13:31:05 what data are you trying to use on a computer? Aug 02 13:31:24 Calendar, Address Book Aug 02 13:31:51 then you really shouldn't be syncing to the palm account, you should be using some other back-end service Aug 02 13:32:00 (gmail/ exchange/etc) Aug 02 13:32:02 so palm account is just a backup in that sense? Aug 02 13:32:43 sort of Aug 02 13:32:56 call me old-school, but I got a severe problem with giving my data to Google (or Facebook, or LinkedIn) Aug 02 13:33:14 exchange might be an option, but there is no great support for Linux Aug 02 13:33:32 wow.. IGNTNUNLMTD got banned from Engadget for asking why they posted the TouchPad update in the middle of the night Aug 02 13:33:47 and I do not really want to spend money on a Exchange account (I know MSN are free Exchange, but do I want to give MS my data either) Aug 02 13:33:48 really? Aug 02 13:34:09 I do not need my data online, I sync my netbook with my desktop via LAN and it works great Aug 02 13:34:13 vanguard: so, the difficulty is, webOS is really cloud centric Aug 02 13:34:29 summatusmentis: which I am not. Okay, the Veer is nice, but not for me I gather Aug 02 13:34:56 and I totally respect that you don't want your data in the cloud, it just means that managing the data is going to be harder if you're not using the cloud Aug 02 13:34:58 IGNTNUNLMTD: ouch.. stupid engadget.. Aug 02 13:35:02 PatrickC: you know what that means? I'm right. Aug 02 13:35:08 yes Aug 02 13:35:21 vanguard: the difficulty, long-term, is that most smartphones are moving that way Aug 02 13:35:24 * PatrickC lost all respect for Engadget Aug 02 13:35:32 if they were so afraid on my comment they had to delete it, then that's pathetic Aug 02 13:35:32 why? Aug 02 13:35:35 linkplz Aug 02 13:35:42 non-existant now Aug 02 13:35:47 they deleted my comment and banned me Aug 02 13:35:53 * hotdp would like to know what happend Aug 02 13:36:03 can you re-create what you posted? Aug 02 13:36:07 for asking why they post webOS news in the dead of night without a "Breaking" tag Aug 02 13:36:16 yeah, I asked the following: Aug 02 13:37:11 "Why is it webOS is constantly given second-rate coverage on this site, and why does this update get coverage in the middle of the night when no-one can see it and furthermore, why does it have no 'Breaking' tag?" Aug 02 13:37:23 summatusmentis: I realize this movement, but I do not really like it at all. Currently, I got a Linux Netbook and a old phone. Aug 02 13:37:43 IGNTNUNLMTD: very good comment Aug 02 13:37:44 no questions asked, the comment was deleted and my Disqus account banned from commenting Aug 02 13:37:44 IGNTNUNLMTD: so it just got deleted without anything? Aug 02 13:37:47 yeah Aug 02 13:37:51 no notification, nothing Aug 02 13:37:55 lol Aug 02 13:38:01 thats kind of funny Aug 02 13:38:01 summatusmentis: maybe I am just to stubborn to open my life up (I do not use facebook either) … Aug 02 13:38:07 but i don't think its josh Aug 02 13:38:10 except "The site has blocked you from submitting comments." Aug 02 13:38:13 Josh is gone Aug 02 13:38:18 * PatrickC deleted Engadget Aug 02 13:38:20 the site went to shit when he left Aug 02 13:38:30 ledt? Aug 02 13:38:31 he's on "This Is My Next..." now Aug 02 13:38:32 left* Aug 02 13:38:37 fired Aug 02 13:38:41 or let go Aug 02 13:38:44 by AOL Aug 02 13:38:45 what are you saying? Aug 02 13:38:50 how long ago is that? Aug 02 13:38:52 ? Aug 02 13:39:03 oh, idk, about 6 months or so? Aug 02 13:39:11 vanguard: I don't mean to sound dismissive, but you might reconsider the ways you store data. I respect the not wanting your data in the cloud Aug 02 13:39:22 vanguard: it's just becoming harder and harder to do so Aug 02 13:39:40 er no, hotdp, he left because AOL's policy was ridiculous Aug 02 13:39:50 and he was sick of the way he was being told to run Engadget Aug 02 13:40:00 the new staff are a bunch of Apple fanboys Aug 02 13:40:01 But isnt he in the engadget show ect? Aug 02 13:40:13 sometimes I think, still, as a guest Aug 02 13:40:24 hmm maybe thats why i thought it was strange Aug 02 13:40:28 yeah Aug 02 13:40:35 understandable Aug 02 13:40:38 summatusmentis: I can definitly see the advantages of the cloud approach, but I have concerns that this "publishing" might backfire some day Aug 02 13:40:55 but what to take away from this is, Engadget does NOT want to see HP or webOS succeed. Aug 02 13:41:06 summatusmentis: and you are right, all new devices use cloud, and people even loose contact with me since they only contact people off facebook :-/ Aug 02 13:41:15 I'm not telling you all to boycott them, but just take what they publish with a grain of salt. Aug 02 13:41:21 vanguard: one way to mitigate that would be to run your own back-end server with exchange or something, and use that as your "cloud" Aug 02 13:42:07 summatusmentis: sure, private cloud is a way, but an exchange server costs a little much. An exchange account (at some hoster) runs at 10€/month. That might be the best option I guess Aug 02 13:42:31 or get a job that has exchange servers already :) Aug 02 13:43:17 so, but, if you really want the ability to interact with your calendar/contacts on your desktop computer, using the Palm Account syncing won't get you what you want Aug 02 13:43:30 that said, it'll clearly sync your calendar\ Aug 02 13:43:32 bbl Aug 02 13:43:34 sorry, cat Aug 02 13:43:53 summatusmentis: okay, I understand that now. I guess I have to find a way that I do not resent … Aug 02 13:43:55 it'll clearly sync your calendar/contacts, it's just not accessible Aug 02 13:44:06 right, that's fair Aug 02 13:46:36 * NuttyBunny raises fist!! Paaalm!! FIX OPACITY+ROTATE BUG!!!! --- argh... I'll go with opacity+scale in the meantime. Not as visually cool, but at least should not fail :( Aug 02 13:56:15 summatusmentis: thanks for the insight, I will review my privacy focused lifestyle ;-) Aug 02 13:56:22 bye Aug 02 13:59:40 morning, all Aug 02 14:02:40 bbl Aug 02 14:10:05 whatup Aug 02 14:11:04 Engadget just killed another comment like mine... the highest rated Aug 02 14:11:13 in that post Aug 02 14:13:05 wow Aug 02 14:13:46 I wonder if authors of the articles get full rights to delete posts on the blog Aug 02 14:20:11 Hello Aug 02 14:20:16 hey Aug 02 14:20:50 What is the best way to have push notification in webos applications ? Aug 02 14:21:04 like for chat? Aug 02 14:21:17 a kind of subscription Aug 02 14:21:31 is there a back-end service? Aug 02 14:21:34 I don't think webOS has push notifications, just the notifications bar Aug 02 14:21:38 my server pushes critical messages, and my webos client should receive that and display dashboard notification Aug 02 14:21:39 (I might be wrong) Aug 02 14:21:54 any other technology that i can use with webos Aug 02 14:22:05 there are a lot of topics on enyo forums about it, but no good solution Aug 02 14:22:27 i've been reading pubsub.js node.js websockets etc etc Aug 02 14:22:53 but dont have any concrete idea on what to be used Aug 02 14:23:47 where can i find enyo forums ? at developer.palm.com site ? Aug 02 14:23:52 yes Aug 02 14:24:02 what's the app for? like the main purpose? Aug 02 14:24:24 i'm writing a OS Installation application for hpux Aug 02 14:24:46 once the installation is complete, my server should communicate me of completion Aug 02 14:25:31 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/w1/en/os/hpux11i-overview.html ? Aug 02 14:27:17 yeah for hpux installation, i've written a webos application Aug 02 14:27:31 currently , i'm polling the server to get the status Aug 02 14:27:43 but i want it the other way Aug 02 14:30:25 help multi-stage apps? Aug 02 14:39:02 I want my app to launch multiple cards. do I use a multi-stage app? and follow this? http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Aug 02 14:39:05 ? Aug 02 14:48:15 Hey everyone. Do you know where I can find the complete source of the latest Enyo FeedReader? Aug 02 14:49:37 SBC: its easy to add notifications Aug 02 14:49:41 on developer.palm.com Aug 02 14:49:53 ^ nickwcccp Aug 02 14:52:43 nickwcccp: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/tutorial.html Aug 02 14:53:43 PuffTheMagic: Can you help me understand it ? Aug 02 14:55:04 thanks! Aug 02 14:55:49 Hi all Aug 02 14:56:22 hey ddluk Aug 02 14:56:37 I've got one question regarding Pivot Magazine Aug 02 14:56:50 anyone know how to make an app launch multiple scenes in multiple cards? do I use multi-stage? Aug 02 14:56:55 how can I download the new issue Aug 02 14:57:19 after restarting Touchpad fifth time still no new issue Aug 02 14:57:46 ddluk: do you have the 3.0.2 update? Aug 02 14:58:04 yes I have summatusmentis Aug 02 14:58:40 hrm, then I have no idea, I wondered if there was a new app cat version in the update Aug 02 14:59:27 I don't want to go to work... Aug 02 14:59:28 damn. Aug 02 14:59:42 my app won't pay the bills.. bbl :) Aug 02 15:00:00 summatusmentis: could you check which App Catalog version you have, I've got 3.0.5300 Aug 02 15:00:37 Wheeee!! an update for the facebook app!!!! Aug 02 15:00:46 ah, it's the enyo one.. grrr Aug 02 15:01:01 lol Aug 02 15:01:38 ddluk: how do I tell? Aug 02 15:01:40 bbl.. gotta work Aug 02 15:03:17 summatusmentis: Go to Software Manager and tap on App Catalog Aug 02 15:03:36 oh, right Aug 02 15:04:02 3.0.53000 Aug 02 15:04:02 SBC: you using enyo or mojo? Aug 02 15:04:08 err, -0 Aug 02 15:04:21 3.0.5300 Aug 02 15:04:29 so the same as my Aug 02 15:05:37 PuffTheMagic: I'm using Mojo Aug 02 15:06:15 I'm using the ARES IDE to do the development Aug 02 15:07:36 ddluk: indeed Aug 02 15:10:42 SBC: that is harder, you need to make a headless app Aug 02 15:11:44 SBC: checkout the wirc app if you want to see how we do it for that Aug 02 15:14:32 PuffTheMagic: I dont have that app.. can you please share that ? Aug 02 15:17:42 SBC: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/wIRC/ Aug 02 15:18:49 you need to convert your app from using app-assistant to stage assistant Aug 02 15:18:49 that is the first step Aug 02 15:18:49 the hello app also uses this i beleive Aug 02 15:18:49 for a simpler example Aug 02 15:22:17 hmm.. wIRC uses multiple cards.. now to figure out /how/ it does it.. Aug 02 15:22:53 PatrickC: stage assistant Aug 02 15:22:57 its no secret Aug 02 15:23:08 I thought it was an app assistant Aug 02 15:23:30 I was looking at this -»http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Aug 02 15:23:44 thinking that's what I needed Aug 02 15:24:06 and PuffTheMagic its an app assistant that's needed for notifications, not stage-assistant Aug 02 15:24:15 no Aug 02 15:24:15 for a err Aug 02 15:24:15 yes u are right Aug 02 15:24:15 i have this backwards Aug 02 15:24:15 it was 2 years ago that i did this ;) Aug 02 15:24:16 sorry my mem is rusty Aug 02 15:24:18 correct Aug 02 15:24:36 lol its fine Aug 02 15:24:42 its still an easy conversion Aug 02 15:24:50 but I need to figure out how to tell my button to launch a new card.. Aug 02 15:25:01 is the Multi-Stage app what I need? Aug 02 15:25:14 yup Aug 02 15:25:24 ok I'll look into it Aug 02 15:25:25 thanks Aug 02 15:25:44 once you go to app-assistant there is a easy function that pops out a new card/stage Aug 02 15:26:01 is the same call you use to make your main stage show up Aug 02 15:26:02 ah cool Aug 02 15:26:14 when u convert to app assitant Aug 02 15:26:20 so once you get the conversion done you will know what to do Aug 02 15:26:25 once I get my app-assistant working, I'll look at wIRC Aug 02 15:26:37 wIRC is GPL? Aug 02 15:26:40 controller.pushScene Aug 02 15:26:46 don't have the source in front of my Aug 02 15:26:47 yup Aug 02 15:26:47 me* Aug 02 15:26:49 ok Aug 02 15:27:29 ewww Aug 02 15:27:33 i dont want to look at mojo any more Aug 02 15:27:37 lol Aug 02 15:27:49 * PatrickC is only using it because it'll bring more money Aug 02 15:27:56 and I don't have a touchpad Aug 02 15:28:32 that's a weak sauce excuse Aug 02 15:28:46 you have an emulator and a webkit browser Aug 02 15:29:14 I don't like doing it in my browser.. laptop has 128MB RAM and a 688MHz P3 Aug 02 15:29:29 I've got an app done as much as can be done in the browser Aug 02 15:29:42 just waiting for my touchpad to arrive this week Aug 02 15:46:37 PatrickC: where did you find such an old pos? Aug 02 15:46:51 I've had it for like 5 years Aug 02 15:47:02 and before that, it was my pastors old laptop Aug 02 15:47:46 it has a 15GB HDD, and originally shipped with windows me Aug 02 15:47:52 :( Aug 02 15:47:59 it runs xp pro now Aug 02 15:48:14 well.. it walks xp pro now lol Aug 02 15:49:01 * fxspec06_ busts open IRC door w/ karate kick Aug 02 15:49:02 WHAT'S UP BITCHES Aug 02 15:49:09 it would be easier if you just set up a page explaining this story...again...so that you can just give people a link to it Aug 02 15:49:21 sugardave: lol Aug 02 15:49:23 fxspec06_: hey! Aug 02 15:49:43 lmao sugardave Aug 02 15:49:53 fxspec06: today. I make my app multi-stage, and incorporate local file playback! :) Aug 02 15:50:01 sweet! Aug 02 15:50:06 follow the tutorial on webos101.com Aug 02 15:50:09 and not in my app Aug 02 15:50:11 =) Aug 02 15:50:13 on a P3 no less! Aug 02 15:50:20 haha Aug 02 15:50:32 I'm getting a new laptop soon Aug 02 15:50:39 it just needs a new hdd Aug 02 15:55:35 I have UTF encoded characters showing up as weird boxes in my app. Any ideas on how to fix? Aug 02 15:56:53 you gettin new lappy? Aug 02 15:58:06 yep Aug 02 15:58:07 akanster: try a different font perhaps? the default font (though possibly they others) are missing several characters. Aug 02 15:58:19 woo child services just called. sending adoption tuition waiver in the mail Aug 02 15:58:19 friend just got a new one, and shes gonna give me her old one Aug 02 15:58:27 only thing left is fafsa to email me and process Aug 02 15:58:30 i should get a grant Aug 02 15:58:36 if not i get at least a loan Aug 02 15:58:49 then escuela is paid for Aug 02 15:58:51 rwatkins: Ooh, didnt think of that! Aug 02 16:00:23 what is it pat Aug 02 16:00:38 idk.. I think Toshiba with win vista Aug 02 16:00:48 it'll get 7 on it as soon as I get it Aug 02 16:01:29 find out what it is Aug 02 16:01:42 I have a 200GB hdd sitting around I don't use Aug 02 16:02:17 I don't are exactly what it is, as long as its newer then mine, and has more RAM/cpu speed :) Aug 02 16:03:47 you hsould still find out what it is. are you paying for it? Aug 02 16:04:05 nope Aug 02 16:04:20 they don't want to pay to fix it, she has a new laptop, I'll take it Aug 02 16:04:38 they said the hdd is /going/ bad Aug 02 16:04:43 what that means, idk Aug 02 16:05:32 find out what it is Aug 02 16:06:07 you're gonna wanna start planning things now Aug 02 16:06:22 planning things? Aug 02 16:06:26 what am I planning? Aug 02 16:06:29 like Aug 02 16:06:45 if you have an external hard drive, download all the apps and drivers u need to install now Aug 02 16:06:50 migrating is a long hard process Aug 02 16:06:55 and can be made super e z Aug 02 16:07:15 I have a 15 gb hdd on my current laptop.. with 5 gb taken up.. Aug 02 16:07:27 i keep all the drivers for my laptop on an external hard drive Aug 02 16:07:27 5GB transfer is not that long or hard Aug 02 16:07:30 w/ backups Aug 02 16:07:41 I don't have any drivers I need Aug 02 16:07:47 you will Aug 02 16:07:49 just the SDK Aug 02 16:08:04 video card drivers, sound card drivers, updates... Aug 02 16:08:11 my laptop is bare.. with like *only* the sdk and chromeium Aug 02 16:08:32 dude what i'm saying is find out what laptop it is. and download all those drivers *now* Aug 02 16:08:33 oh, for upgrading to 7.. gotcha Aug 02 16:08:35 it will save you the time Aug 02 16:08:37 yes Aug 02 16:08:47 download all your applications *now* Aug 02 16:08:50 everything you want Aug 02 16:09:05 all that is already downloaded Aug 02 16:09:08 application* Aug 02 16:09:09 pidgin, mirc, itunes, hp play, windows live... Aug 02 16:09:12 you're gonna want more Aug 02 16:09:18 and you need win 7 x64 bit versions Aug 02 16:09:29 if it will support x64 Aug 02 16:09:33 it might not Aug 02 16:09:34 x64 is diff.. u need all new ones Aug 02 16:09:35 idk yet Aug 02 16:09:43 my 2004 presario supports x64 Aug 02 16:09:46 I'll run the test when I get it Aug 02 16:09:54 hey, I have a presario! Aug 02 16:09:54 lol Aug 02 16:09:58 find out what it is! Aug 02 16:10:02 and you won't need to do all that Aug 02 16:10:07 trust me, it'll make things a lot faster Aug 02 16:10:10 u won't have to wait Aug 02 16:10:11 my current laptop is a presario 1800 Aug 02 16:10:41 I'll find out tomorrow night if I see 'em Aug 02 16:10:51 wen are you getting it? Aug 02 16:11:02 plus, you may be able to overclock it Aug 02 16:11:02 idk.. Aug 02 16:11:13 they said whenever she gets all her stuff migrated Aug 02 16:11:14 won't you want to find that out now? Aug 02 16:11:19 she likes to do pictures Aug 02 16:11:39 PatrickC: SBC http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/headlessapp/ Aug 02 16:11:45 I don't care exactly when I'm getting it, just that I am.. I'll ask about it tomorrow Aug 02 16:12:10 PuffTheMagic: huh? Aug 02 16:12:54 to make a headless app you need a app-assistant Aug 02 16:12:55 so that is a good example of what you need Aug 02 16:13:08 oh cool! it only have the changelog scene! which is what I need! Aug 02 16:13:51 I don't see a license.. what is it? or do you know? Aug 02 16:15:34 jus sayin thinks u should think about Aug 02 16:15:38 im still trying to figure out if you can simply take a picture with the camera on the TP Aug 02 16:15:52 if u can O|C it can take weeks to find out how ; ) Aug 02 16:16:21 cxreg: there are no apps that allow that yet, I don't believe Aug 02 16:16:36 I think NuttyBunny_Pre2 said his app will at some point in the future Aug 02 16:16:59 in the near future :) Aug 02 16:17:09 heh. Aug 02 16:17:27 which is still "at some point" :D Aug 02 16:23:01 no, really, this week :D In fact I'm planning to drop a small camera app as well Aug 02 16:23:03 chuqui!! Aug 02 16:23:13 hey chuqui !! Aug 02 16:23:22 yo yo Aug 02 16:23:42 NuttyBunny_Pre2: small camera app would be neat, I don't care as much about the "funny faces" side (or whatever) Aug 02 16:24:10 today is wifi day! 8.02.11! Aug 02 16:24:24 NuttyBunny_Pre2: make a free version that only allows you to take 30 pix :) Aug 02 16:24:52 my pre shows 8/2 not 8.02 ;) Aug 02 16:25:17 summatusmentis: that's the idea :) Aug 02 16:25:23 Mexico City? I bet I will be there (if enough people register to attend) Aug 02 16:25:47 sugardave: I'm attending ;) Aug 02 16:25:56 honest question. will it be in Spanish or in English? Aug 02 16:26:22 akanster: well, I don't speak Spanish.... Aug 02 16:26:54 but, I probably won't be presenting anything...just helping people and being awesome Aug 02 16:26:56 I wish they'd do something in the midwest Aug 02 16:27:04 like, MSP area Aug 02 16:27:21 chuqui cheese Aug 02 16:27:22 MSP? I have been to your mall/airport! Aug 02 16:27:32 cxreg: yo dog Aug 02 16:27:32 :-D Aug 02 16:27:40 akanster: yep, that's all we have :) Aug 02 16:27:45 (not true) Aug 02 16:27:52 an airport with more stores, restaurants and bars than anyone place ever! Aug 02 16:27:55 Michelle Bachmann comes from MSP area Aug 02 16:27:59 There were some questions, like "do you understand english (written, spoken), can you speak english"... I think we could arrange a translator Aug 02 16:28:13 so ive noticd Aug 02 16:28:20 my TP gets *way* more love than the pre+ ever did Aug 02 16:28:33 when i'm using it Aug 02 16:28:50 wait, define more love? Aug 02 16:28:54 from you? or other people? Aug 02 16:28:58 from random people Aug 02 16:29:07 is that because they think it's an iPad? Aug 02 16:29:08 chuqui: We need HP to sell devices in Mexico again, otherwise there will be just 3 persons: The presenter, a friend of mine and myself :P Aug 02 16:29:10 no Aug 02 16:29:20 only a small number think that Aug 02 16:29:28 NuttyBunny_Pre2: you're mexican? Aug 02 16:29:36 I will say, the public commercial presence seems much higher Aug 02 16:29:52 fxspec06: born and raised :) (living here as well) Aug 02 16:30:02 =O i never knew Aug 02 16:30:49 do you eat tacos? Aug 02 16:31:09 chuqui: Not to be a broken record or anything, but any word when the next batch of fat apps will be approved? Still haven't heard back from Adora_ or other review team folk Aug 02 16:31:31 ianbeck: I haven't heard. Aug 02 16:31:31 ianbeck: I'm still waiting to hear back from engineering Aug 02 16:31:35 Of course!!! REAL tacos, please, not those hard tortillas with cheddar cheese and lettuce :P (as in Taco Bell) Aug 02 16:31:45 Adora_ is here! Aug 02 16:31:48 NuttyBunny_Pre2: +1 Aug 02 16:31:53 lol. what about burritos? Aug 02 16:32:06 NuttyBunny_Pre2: yeah. we haven't announced any new hardware to be sold in mexico yet. well, duh. you know that, but I had to say it. Aug 02 16:32:26 what do you mean I may not ghost adora? Aug 02 16:32:30 that's my name! Aug 02 16:32:38 uh-oh Aug 02 16:32:44 NuttyBunny_Pre2: and I obviously can't announce stuff that isn't announced. I do find it curious (ahem) that we're scheduling a developer meeting in a location where we aren't currently really in the market. I find that really curious. Aug 02 16:32:46 * PatrickC hides Aug 02 16:33:02 09:32:08 AM| Adora has userhost ~Resurrect@99-11-247-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net and realname Amber Aug 02 16:33:02 09:32:09 AM| Adora is connected on holmes.freenode.net (London, UK) Aug 02 16:33:02 09:32:09 AM| Adora signed on at July 30, 2011 5:50:39 AM PDT and has been idle for 3day 3hrs Aug 02 16:33:04 Adora_ sugardave chuqui any of you coming to Boston webos meetup in september? Aug 02 16:33:09 Adora_: Damn. Wish there was something I could do to do light a fire under them :-\ Aug 02 16:33:10 arch nemesis! Aug 02 16:33:24 ianbeck: if only adora were here. she'd know. Aug 02 16:33:39 adora is here! Aug 02 16:33:42 she is in london! Aug 02 16:33:49 chuqui: I didn't hear anything about devices in new markets from you ;) Aug 02 16:33:50 fxspec06: I don't think I am, but not sure Aug 02 16:34:09 fxspec06: I'm probably not; I tend to hide here in virtual land most of the teim. Aug 02 16:34:14 i'll be speaking there! for a half an hour. so bring an ipod so you're not bored =p Aug 02 16:34:33 I wish announcements with carriers would be made, so use sprint users can stop hating ourselves, and just decide to move on or not Aug 02 16:34:41 fxspec06: (my knees have been twitchy enough these days I'm trying to avoid getting into planes..) Aug 02 16:34:56 fxspec06: oh? what are you presenting? Aug 02 16:35:05 summatusmentis: sometimes the lack of a statement is a statement. Aug 02 16:35:07 of course, sometimes not. Aug 02 16:35:08 \o/ Aug 02 16:35:12 woo! Aug 02 16:35:25 Adora: morning, girlio! (hug) Aug 02 16:35:37 gooooooooood mornin Aug 02 16:35:41 chuqui: clearly, unfortunately, lack of statement as a statement becomes much clearer when other statements have been made Aug 02 16:36:14 i'll be mostly talking how i got into developing, and i'll be presenting my game, showing off features, and plans for *cough* future webos devices *cough*, along w/ villo features Aug 02 16:36:24 cool Aug 02 16:36:30 when is Boston? Aug 02 16:36:36 yeahh. w/ a slideshow too Aug 02 16:36:41 sept 17 Aug 02 16:37:50 summatusmentis: man, I'm still trying to parse that statement. What you said. I think. Aug 02 16:37:50 neat Aug 02 16:38:14 yeah i've never spoke to public before. so here's to hoping it goes well Aug 02 16:38:31 chuqui: the context to draw conclusions based on lack of a statement is important, but when no statements have been made, there's no context :) Aug 02 16:38:50 summatusmentis: but the lack of context can be a context. Aug 02 16:38:53 anti0context Aug 02 16:38:56 Are the presenters designed for the Mexico presentations yet? :) If you need translators I can find one!! Aug 02 16:39:08 chuqui: hrm, that's awfully meta :) Aug 02 16:39:19 chuqui: I'm mostly just antsy because I want new hardware Aug 02 16:39:23 NuttyBunny_Pre2: I'm going to pass your name/email along to the folks working on the event as a local contact if they want one. Aug 02 16:39:33 my pre- is looking long in the tooth Aug 02 16:40:18 summatusmentis: I got tired of waiting for new hardware, killed my sprint account, and just merged everything onto my ATT contract. But that's just me being impatient. Aug 02 16:41:07 I'm seriously considering similar courses of action Aug 02 16:41:10 summatusmentis: sometimes the best way to get a message to a vendor is via the wallet. when I needed to move from my pre- to a newer phone, I went to who was selling it. Aug 02 16:42:11 yeah, SERO is hard to give up, but I'm almost there Aug 02 16:42:40 I have Sprint and AT&T currently, but Sprint is probably going to lose us. Or, I still haven't decided yet. Maybe I should stick around for the cheaper family plan and check out a (shudder) android device or two Aug 02 16:42:42 chuqui: Yep, count me in as local contact! :) Aug 02 16:43:33 NuttyBunny_Pre2: thanks. will do so. Aug 02 16:44:00 I had a bigger idea, but homie hasn't responded to me yet :/ Aug 02 16:44:32 sugardave: I just can't feel any love for android. sorry. (like pretty much everyone in the industry, I"m a multi-phone person, but unlike Adora, I only carry two) Aug 02 16:44:53 well, it's android or iphone...and I don't like apple Aug 02 16:45:00 sugardave: thats sorta how I am feeling right now, sprint plans are so much cheaper, 1200+ more a year isnt worth it Aug 02 16:45:02 sugardave: and if you know my history, you know what my other phone is... Aug 02 16:45:21 isnt worth the switch i mean Aug 02 16:45:32 PuffTheMagic: exactly Aug 02 16:45:56 chuqui: a Kin? :P Aug 02 16:46:06 sugardave: um, no.. (grin) Aug 02 16:46:56 sugardave: fortunately, I hooked into google voice a while back, so I give out that number, and just route to whatever phones I have configured in, since I swap stuff out a lot. Aug 02 16:46:58 lolol Aug 02 16:47:56 ah Aug 02 16:48:07 * PatrickC wanders in Aug 02 16:48:09 never used google voice Aug 02 16:48:42 PuffTheMagic: do you know what license headless app is? Aug 02 16:49:00 everything we do is GPL or something like that Aug 02 16:49:12 ok Aug 02 16:49:37 PatrickC: the code is supposed to list it's license Aug 02 16:50:05 rwhitby-tp: we need to push a COPYING file to hello and headlessapp Aug 02 16:50:13 summatusmentis: there is no license in the source Aug 02 16:50:26 PatrickC: maybe rod will make it MIT Aug 02 16:50:26 idk Aug 02 16:50:28 ah, what PuffTheMagic just said would be why Aug 02 16:50:32 * NuttyBunny_Pre2 steals the hello app since it doesn't mention its license ;) Aug 02 16:53:27 i love it when i figure out algorithms i couldn't do yesterday Aug 02 16:55:10 Abbie Hoffman - Steal This Code Aug 02 16:55:57 The icon keeps changing color... I'm still online.... Aug 02 16:57:17 how to set the position of an image after creation? (enyo) Aug 02 16:59:35 havanab: not sure what you're trying to do....but you can get at the actual element that's created with: this.$.imageName.node and then style it up Aug 02 17:01:22 havanab: also enyo.byID(id).applyStyle("left",x-coord) and top for Y Aug 02 17:01:59 the cat...it may be skinned in a variety of methods Aug 02 17:02:52 thanks sugardave, NuttyBunny_Pre2 Aug 02 17:03:27 awwww... i'm trying to upgrade my pre- to a pre2, and the webos-internals page for it is not loading... Aug 02 17:04:16 i get "Error 503 Service Unavailable" Aug 02 17:04:48 oh well, google cache works Aug 02 17:08:54 got app-assistant working Aug 02 17:08:59 and changelog scene Aug 02 17:10:42 nuttycam Aug 02 17:13:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2 does this load for anyone right now? Aug 02 17:14:22 HattCzech_work: works here Aug 02 17:14:23 yep Aug 02 17:14:42 probably my friggin proxy Aug 02 17:14:44 okay, thanks Aug 02 17:15:13 YESSS!!!! I got the changelog scene working perfectly! Aug 02 17:15:14 hmmm, no, now it works :/ Aug 02 17:15:16 ehhh, whatever... thanks Aug 02 17:15:35 go go gadget patrick Aug 02 17:16:32 HattCzech_work: I fixed it, you're welcome Aug 02 17:18:34 hehehe, thanks Aug 02 17:19:01 piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!! ?? Aug 02 17:19:31 64 bytes from 4.2.2.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=7353 ms .. not good... HattCzech_work: no, really, it fixed itself :) Aug 02 17:20:01 i figured, but your help is appreciated :) Aug 02 17:20:25 Exhibition mode on a TP w/ a Touchstone ROX YER SOX! Aug 02 17:20:45 do cookies work the same in an app-assistant as they do in a stage-assistant? Aug 02 17:29:40 this game gna look killer on tab Aug 02 17:30:41 and local file playback is almost done Aug 02 17:32:49 Adora, the Real Adora now? :) Aug 02 17:36:02 there is no such thing Aug 02 17:37:28 almost.. there... Aug 02 17:38:01 almost where? Aug 02 17:38:17 done with this feature Aug 02 17:38:43 super secret? Aug 02 17:39:10 anyone know of a mail app that implements IMAP itself? Aug 02 17:39:26 local file playback Aug 02 17:39:31 DraX: the official webOS mail app ;) Aug 02 17:39:52 NuttyBunny: i thought it used a C service for imap Aug 02 17:39:54 can you use an app-assistant *and* a stage-assistant? Aug 02 17:40:03 NuttyBunny: what i mean is an imap client i can modify Aug 02 17:40:24 DraX: I thought it was node.js :) Aug 02 17:40:44 i'll look again when i get home, but i'm pretty sure it's not Aug 02 17:40:47 i want to add http://code.google.com/apis/gmail/imap/#x-gm-labels support Aug 02 17:41:24 * PatrickC has no clue where to put this in an app-assistant... Aug 02 17:41:31 hey destinal Aug 02 17:41:33 im pretty sure its java in 1.x Aug 02 17:41:36 app-assistant.js Aug 02 17:41:37 PatrickC: hey Aug 02 17:41:39 sources.json Aug 02 17:41:40 hopefully node in 2.x+ Aug 02 17:41:52 fxspec06: lol Aug 02 17:41:52 but i havent looked for sure Aug 02 17:41:54 app assistant is used for handlelaunch Aug 02 17:41:57 it's in /usr/bin on my touchpad Aug 02 17:42:08 I have code that is suppose to be used in a stage-assistant.. Aug 02 17:42:20 's setup() * Aug 02 17:42:20 stage-assistant is defined inside of app-assistant, passed as an argument to createStageWithCallback() Aug 02 17:42:31 which is the main thing that led me to believe it was C Aug 02 17:42:33 optional, of course Aug 02 17:42:43 I need a stage assistant.. Aug 02 17:42:50 mind if I take a peek at yours? Aug 02 17:42:54 arent labels displayed as folders in the mail app Aug 02 17:43:01 i found it online pat Aug 02 17:43:02 google Aug 02 17:43:06 oilsworkn: yes, but each message doesn't display it's labels Aug 02 17:43:08 really? lemme google Aug 02 17:43:20 oilsworkn: and you can't from a message add/remove labels Aug 02 17:43:22 look for an open source app that uses multi-stages Aug 02 17:43:28 i found one on github Aug 02 17:43:34 ah, im not much of a label guy, so i never noticed Aug 02 17:43:46 I know wIRC uses them, right oil? Aug 02 17:44:02 all those apps are technically multi-stage Aug 02 17:44:11 app-assistants only, no stage assistants Aug 02 17:44:13 in general i want the mail app to behave more like the android gmail app and less like a generic mail app :) Aug 02 17:44:17 ah Aug 02 17:45:17 PatrickC: You should really learn, instead of grabbing code snippets from here and there hoping they work with little or no modification :) It took me a while but I know exactly the function of every single line of core in photofun (and subnet calculator btw) Aug 02 17:45:53 listen to nutty! you'll be a better coder that way Aug 02 17:46:10 understanding is 11/10th the battle Aug 02 17:46:16 oh Aug 02 17:46:47 NuttyBunny: I will, once I get more then a Pre2's screen to use to read :) Aug 02 17:47:41 PatrickC: You can use the laptop screen to read, that will be a good use for it ;) Aug 02 17:48:00 how do I get the content to it with no internet ;) Aug 02 17:48:12 tether Aug 02 17:48:31 Universe saves pages? Aug 02 17:48:47 oilsworkn: not allowed Aug 02 17:48:57 tell your mom that i said its ok Aug 02 17:49:06 xD Aug 02 17:49:10 Or you can use wget in your Pre2, then transfer the files over to the lappy :) Aug 02 17:49:14 lol.. not sure that'll go over well Aug 02 17:49:50 Really, use a bigger screen to code, even if it's a 5 year old laptop it has way better view than the phone Aug 02 17:50:09 I do code on the 11 year old laptop Aug 02 17:50:29 PatrickC: you don't code very much if you're always in here asking questions ; ) Aug 02 17:51:10 lol Aug 02 17:52:35 Zacky59 has already passed my patience limits... and it was just with a couple of PM's in PreCentral :@ Aug 02 17:52:49 seriously, no offense Aug 02 17:52:52 heh Aug 02 17:53:07 fxspec06: hahaha Aug 02 17:53:08 and im like "really?" Aug 02 17:53:09 sometimes i get pms on precentral Aug 02 17:53:11 who's zacky? Aug 02 17:53:37 * oilsworkn assumes zach Aug 02 17:54:13 hey chuqui, you got a minute? Aug 02 17:54:27 people use forums? Aug 02 17:54:28 funkatron: are you behind spazz? Aug 02 17:54:34 oh, funkatrons got questions, goin right to the source! Aug 02 17:54:49 hotdp: I think so? Aug 02 17:54:51 fxspec06: long story, a guinea pig for the 2.1 Pixi, but with cheetos instead of brain ;) Aug 02 17:55:16 My spazz is having problems :S can i pm you? Aug 02 17:55:18 lol Aug 02 17:55:20 lol Aug 02 17:55:25 hotdp: http://help.getspaz.com Aug 02 17:55:58 funkatron: hey, dude. yeah. Aug 02 17:56:03 guinea pigs are awesome at finding cheese. and solving super complex mazes the very first time... the fastest way................... Aug 02 17:56:15 * rwatkins is amazed there is only one TP native twitter client still. Aug 02 17:56:23 * Tibfib is not Aug 02 17:56:26 so is moss actually. did you know that moss solves mazes? Aug 02 17:56:31 twitter says DONT MAKE CLIENTS ANYMORE! Aug 02 17:56:36 as it grows. unbelievable Aug 02 17:56:40 rwatkins: everyone gave up when they saw how badly spaz turned out Aug 02 17:56:50 haha Aug 02 17:56:54 yeah Aug 02 17:56:59 they're all over the place on the phones Aug 02 17:57:30 * oilsworkn would blame Tibfib Aug 02 17:57:44 hah, the pot calling the kettle black Aug 02 17:57:59 psh Aug 02 17:58:09 if i made a twitter client it would be awesomeness Aug 02 17:58:24 LCARS Aug 02 17:58:28 heh Aug 02 17:58:45 oilsworkn: contribute to spaz hd Aug 02 17:59:03 contribute what, looks like its all under control Aug 02 17:59:16 make spaz hd be "awesomeness" Aug 02 17:59:35 lol Aug 02 18:00:13 get your lcars up in it Aug 02 18:01:22 yeah Aug 02 18:01:32 it was going good for phone-spaz Aug 02 18:01:37 * PatrickC is trying to use code from Koto... Aug 02 18:01:40 not easy Aug 02 18:01:54 but the html was getting in my way of making it look how i wanted it to look Aug 02 18:03:56 like wanting rows to look like an lcars "button" Aug 02 18:04:02 but then there was button widgets inside the rows Aug 02 18:04:07 which made things look funky Aug 02 18:05:30 * PatrickC goes to find another app to look at Aug 02 18:05:42 PatrickC: what is Koto's license? Aug 02 18:05:49 GPL Aug 02 18:05:54 heh Aug 02 18:06:04 what does that mean? Aug 02 18:06:13 General Public License iirc Aug 02 18:06:30 no, not that Aug 02 18:06:30 and if I use code from a GPL app, my app must also be GPL Aug 02 18:06:37 good man Aug 02 18:07:02 I'm just trying to figure out how to use a stage-assistant *and* an app-assistant Aug 02 18:07:10 you could always ask tibfib nicely :) Aug 02 18:07:13 koto does that I see, but the code is confusing :) Aug 02 18:07:27 * PatrickC was trying to be good and find it himself.. Aug 02 18:07:29 oilsworkn: no. Aug 02 18:07:33 PatrickC: as you should Aug 02 18:07:36 try webos101.com Aug 02 18:07:39 there's some info Aug 02 18:07:40 but if Tibfib would like to help, I'm all for that :) Aug 02 18:07:50 I didn't see it here http://www.webos101.com/Multi-Stage_Applications Aug 02 18:07:50 not yet Aug 02 18:07:56 :ughh: Aug 02 18:08:09 dang internets Aug 02 18:08:18 PatrickC: why don't you look at the actual docs Aug 02 18:08:36 * oilsworkn_ didn't know you could have a appassistant AND stageassistant Aug 02 18:08:41 thought appassistant always took over Aug 02 18:08:45 really? Aug 02 18:09:17 thats what i thought, doesnt mean its correct haha Aug 02 18:09:31 hah Aug 02 18:10:59 hrmmm, I want an iPod Touch Aug 02 18:11:03 * oilsworkn wonders where kotoXL is Aug 02 18:11:12 NOT GONNA HAPPEN BRO Aug 02 18:11:16 Koto HD Aug 02 18:11:18 thought you said you were? Aug 02 18:11:28 I'll make it eventually Aug 02 18:11:34 I can't do anything without a TouchPad Aug 02 18:11:43 oh Aug 02 18:11:53 :? Aug 02 18:11:56 Tibfib: That's the spirit! ;) Aug 02 18:12:57 * NuttyBunny raises his Pitchfork!! Aug 02 18:14:32 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/basics-stages.html I don't see them use both here.. Aug 02 18:14:36 rabble rabble rabble? Aug 02 18:14:41 and that's the only official docs I have found.. Aug 02 18:15:17 PatrickC: there's more Aug 02 18:16:42 tibfib being all cryptic Aug 02 18:16:54 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/classes/mojo-controller-appcontroller.html#mojo.controller.appcontroller.createstagewithcallbackstagearguments-oncreate-optionalstagetype Aug 02 18:17:19 I'm trying to teach PatrickC to learn stuff on his own Aug 02 18:18:06 good luck! Aug 02 18:18:29 yeah it's above my pay grade Aug 02 18:18:36 thanks Tibfib Aug 02 18:19:03 * oilsworkn just tries to confuse PatrickC Aug 02 18:19:05 I think I found it.. :) Aug 02 18:19:14 oilsworkn: it works most the time Aug 02 18:24:17 hmm.. now.. is the name of my stage assistant "stage-assistant" "stageAssistant" "StageAssistant" or what? Aug 02 18:24:27 cause Koto uses StageAssistant.. Aug 02 18:24:38 PatrickC: trial and error Aug 02 18:24:40 sTAGE_aSSISTANT Aug 02 18:24:42 keep trying Aug 02 18:24:51 oilsworkn: yeah.. that's it :P Aug 02 18:25:07 assistant-to-the-stage Aug 02 18:25:19 maybe say less out loud, bro Aug 02 18:27:30 heh Aug 02 18:28:06 StageAss_istant Aug 02 18:28:27 * NuttyBunny deletes Zacky's PMs without reading them Aug 02 18:28:38 aww Aug 02 18:28:38 lol Aug 02 18:30:15 not really, but I really got mad... he's asking all over again how to do the 2.1 Pixi, even when the steps HE did are in the thread and in his Inbox Aug 02 18:30:41 maybe he sent too many pms and had to delete them Aug 02 18:34:18 he probably put one of those read reciepts on the pms Aug 02 18:34:40 ugh... Aug 02 18:37:37 yay.. got my errors to go away Aug 02 18:37:48 now to fiddle with the stage-assistants name Aug 02 18:43:48 hmm.. now to figure out this error.. Aug 02 18:44:22 precentral app review I didnt even know was coming. Aug 02 18:44:58 http://www.precentral.net/app-review-paper-mache-for-touchpad Aug 02 18:46:30 this app hates me lol Aug 02 18:46:58 keep at it, if you get stuck, ask questions Aug 02 18:47:14 or if you are unsure how something works based on the docs, ask questions Aug 02 18:47:22 I got my app assistant to stop throwing errors Aug 02 18:47:30 but can't get it to load my stage assistant Aug 02 18:48:57 doot doot Aug 02 18:49:12 i wish palm would release an "app" that simply showcased everything Aug 02 18:49:13 he matbee Aug 02 18:49:41 and released the source code Aug 02 18:49:51 StyleMatters Aug 02 18:49:56 thats rotten Aug 02 18:50:04 and their example code doesn't always work Aug 02 18:50:21 and stylematters source is all over the place Aug 02 18:50:24 an app tht literally does everything by definition is rotten. Aug 02 18:51:45 stylematters is decent Aug 02 18:51:48 not great, but helpful Aug 02 18:51:55 mojomatters used to be awesome Aug 02 18:51:56 am I doing anything wrong here? http://pastebin.com/d3UKu2B4 Aug 02 18:52:03 PatrickC: probably Aug 02 18:52:17 mojomatters is what i want Aug 02 18:52:18 lol Aug 02 18:52:22 rwatkins: it looks nice Aug 02 18:52:38 PatrickC: why do you do else if(true) ? Aug 02 18:52:57 haha Aug 02 18:53:00 in the current code, you never ever call the code that defines a stage assistant Aug 02 18:53:01 else if true? Aug 02 18:53:02 haha Aug 02 18:53:15 hmm.. that must have been inserted by my text editor.. Aug 02 18:53:18 I never typed that Aug 02 18:53:24 * oilsworkn does if(true) sometimes Aug 02 18:53:24 ssshuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Aug 02 18:53:26 hmm Aug 02 18:53:32 oilsworkn: haha why? Aug 02 18:53:38 why not just execute it? Aug 02 18:53:40 if i want to test something and the normal condidion isn't easy to trigger Aug 02 18:53:47 it I hit tab after else if it inserts the (true) Aug 02 18:53:49 oilsworkn: ya, pretty positive review. nice to see. even better 1.0.3 version currently "Ready for Review" Aug 02 18:53:54 true/*whateverconditiontherewas*/ Aug 02 18:54:04 oilsworkn: I just comment out the if() line Aug 02 18:54:08 that too Aug 02 18:54:11 i have dont if true though Aug 02 18:54:30 shouldn't we be coding if (true == condition) Aug 02 18:54:36 :P Aug 02 18:54:55 if Aug 02 18:54:58 matbee: actually you should be doing if (true === condition) Aug 02 18:55:00 xD Aug 02 18:55:10 well, not really Aug 02 18:55:12 but sure Aug 02 18:55:18 heh Aug 02 18:55:34 ... Aug 02 18:55:41 hmm.. now that (true) is gone.. I get a new error. it says the { at line 17 (for the else if) shouldn't be there http://pastebin.com/QC5J6f4c Aug 02 18:55:52 heh Aug 02 18:55:56 do you have two elses? Aug 02 18:55:57 you can't just have an else if {} Aug 02 18:56:01 yes Aug 02 18:56:02 you can't just delete the (true) part out and expect it to work Aug 02 18:56:10 you still need a dontition Aug 02 18:56:13 ah, else if (condition) Aug 02 18:56:14 condition* Aug 02 18:56:23 PatrickC: will you PLEASE read and PAY ATTENTION to a basic javascript guide Aug 02 18:56:40 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide Aug 02 18:57:03 there is a guide? Aug 02 18:57:06 heh Aug 02 18:57:49 * Tibfib shakes fists angrily Aug 02 18:58:14 fancy Aug 02 18:58:15 haha Aug 02 18:59:00 * oilsworkn goes to lunch Aug 02 19:00:44 hahaha Aug 02 19:00:47 just do, else { } Aug 02 19:01:02 else { } is a shortcut for else if (true) { } Aug 02 19:01:11 I need to else {} Aug 02 19:01:17 two? Aug 02 19:01:24 yes.. Aug 02 19:01:26 lol Aug 02 19:01:29 no, you don't Aug 02 19:01:32 wait Aug 02 19:02:20 you -really- need to listen to them Aug 02 19:02:23 this is very basic programming Aug 02 19:02:42 I am, looking at the mozilla docs now Aug 02 19:03:21 so, if mainstagecontroller exists, it pops scene to change-log Aug 02 19:03:34 if it doesn't, you want to load mainStage Aug 02 19:03:53 I got that part Aug 02 19:04:19 DO YOU??? Aug 02 19:04:29 yes Aug 02 19:04:41 right now, you have --- if mainstagecontroller exists pop scene... IF it DOESN'T createStage mainstage... IF it DOESN'T createStage stageAssistant Aug 02 19:04:42 I've never used an if else if else statement before Aug 02 19:04:44 only if else Aug 02 19:04:54 does that make any sense? Aug 02 19:05:03 actually, no it doesnt.. Aug 02 19:05:08 I see now.. Aug 02 19:05:21 look up how to write pseudocode Aug 02 19:05:28 that'll help you a billion times Aug 02 19:05:58 and, else if { } doesn't work Aug 02 19:06:29 PatrickC: The if error... where's your condition??? Aug 02 19:06:42 working on that Aug 02 19:06:52 if ("etc" === word) { do this; } else if ("bleh" === word) { do that; } else { doThisIfTheyBothReturnFalse; } Aug 02 19:07:20 Do you see? Aug 02 19:07:25 yeah Aug 02 19:07:30 +1 Aug 02 19:07:51 else is what you use if none of the above conditions return true Aug 02 19:08:00 it looks like I've /almost/ got it working Aug 02 19:08:07 PatrickC, you most definitely almost do Aug 02 19:08:16 got rid of the errors Aug 02 19:08:25 but it still won't do my stage-assistant Aug 02 19:08:39 hmm.... Aug 02 19:08:40 write out in english what your logic is doing, like how I did Aug 02 19:08:41 :) Aug 02 19:09:46 if mainStageController exists, popScene - if !mainStageController create, else staheAssistant Aug 02 19:09:50 that make sense? Aug 02 19:09:54 nope Aug 02 19:10:02 because your else will never execute Aug 02 19:10:10 I saw that Aug 02 19:10:21 should my else be the else if? Aug 02 19:10:27 nope, look Aug 02 19:11:22 if (mainStageController) { this; } else if (!mainStageController) { that;} else { // this will never be reached, because mainStageController can only be true or false. } Aug 02 19:11:48 you need another evaluation to determine when you want to create stageAssistant Aug 02 19:13:01 now I get a new error... Aug 02 19:13:57 the docs don't talk about onCreate much... Aug 02 19:14:02 that's what my error is Aug 02 19:18:52 koto to the rescue!! Aug 02 19:18:54 its fixed! Aug 02 19:18:56 where's if (!mainStageController) Aug 02 19:20:02 I see if (object) { do stuff with object } else if create() { stuff if create worked } else { stuff if create failed } Aug 02 19:20:40 I assume create() reports back somehow Aug 02 19:21:43 hmm.. everything works now, except it launches the main scene 2 times now Aug 02 19:22:10 update your pastebin Aug 02 19:22:53 http://pastebin.com/XyUAqgyA Aug 02 19:24:09 AppleCare told me I could do the OptiBay mod without voiding my warranty! \o/ Aug 02 19:24:27 Score one for Apple... too bad they're like a million in debt Aug 02 19:25:30 um Aug 02 19:25:30 http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/debt_equity_ratio Aug 02 19:25:47 wooosh right over his head Aug 02 19:26:02 apple care itself is one of the reasons they're in debt Aug 02 19:26:33 esser: I meant in terms of being a morally sound, acceptable, and desireable company in my eyes Aug 02 19:26:43 there's more to life than money Aug 02 19:27:02 i'm sorry, you do realize it's an american company, right? Aug 02 19:27:21 wnat. Aug 02 19:27:25 err. Aug 02 19:27:48 ugh.. why won't this work :/ Aug 02 19:27:52 oh no, funkatron's head exploded :( Aug 02 19:29:29 esser: You missed my point. Aug 02 19:29:44 esser: IGNTNUNLMTD was saying that in his mind in particular, Apple scored one. However, given Apple's previous record, they'd lost almost a million Aug 02 19:29:52 making them "like a million in debt" Aug 02 19:29:54 THANK you. Aug 02 19:29:57 despite the small win Aug 02 19:30:00 i repeat Aug 02 19:30:05 you realize this is an american company, right? Aug 02 19:30:13 yes, but they used to care Aug 02 19:30:18 at one point, long ago Aug 02 19:30:24 it was about more than money for them Aug 02 19:30:28 the odds of it doing something morally correct are so overwhelmingly low, that it should really be an event of epic proportions Aug 02 19:30:29 long long time ago, in a galaxy far away Aug 02 19:30:35 the day the iPhone was announced, it was ALL gone. Aug 02 19:30:42 Tibfib: got it fixed Aug 02 19:30:53 magic, did you learn something? Aug 02 19:30:58 yes Aug 02 19:31:19 now I need to learn why my media indexer won't work... Aug 02 19:31:29 learned not to ask Tibfib for help Aug 02 19:31:54 oil: shhhhh, don't tell him Aug 02 19:31:59 oil: Tibfib did help though, pointed me to some helpful pages :) Aug 02 19:32:49 ././././././. Aug 02 19:33:11 where does the email client store sent emails? Aug 02 19:33:25 Tibfib: huh? Aug 02 19:41:37 can I tell my Veer that I do not want a Palm backup? all the options are grayed out … Aug 02 19:46:06 in the backups app iirc Aug 02 19:46:45 WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Aug 02 19:46:45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-265&nm_mc=EMCWL-082011&cm_mmc=EMCWL-082011-_-index-_-Item-_-20-231-265 Aug 02 19:46:51 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aug 02 19:48:25 haha Aug 02 19:48:30 you like it, it seems Aug 02 19:48:35 i should get some more memory for my laptop Aug 02 19:48:51 it was on my wishlist Aug 02 19:48:58 i just got an email Aug 02 19:55:04 PatrickC: ah, that looks good. That way, the Veer should not be sending anything to HP/Palm? Aug 02 19:55:29 that I don't know Aug 02 19:55:47 systemclient: I doubt it Aug 02 19:55:57 I'm sure it sends stuff to hp/palm all the time Aug 02 19:56:24 Jason Robitaille made patches for himself that turned off "phoning home". I don't think he ever released them though Aug 02 19:56:46 Tibfib: I guess phone home is a feature in the smartphone age :-/ Aug 02 19:56:57 yeah Aug 02 19:57:03 I now have to find a way to get my contacts on it without using Google or anyone else Aug 02 19:57:05 I personally don't have a problem with it.. but to each their own Aug 02 19:57:06 or at least the "cloud" age Aug 02 19:57:32 is the phone home protected with a device-known certicicate? Aug 02 19:57:48 esser: it would make sense, but I guess not -- too expensive Aug 02 19:58:08 mmm delicious DNS poisoning Aug 02 19:58:13 systemclient: the thing about webOS is that it's very cloud centric, not really designed to be dependent on a PC of some sort Aug 02 19:59:30 summatusmentis: yeah, we talked about that earlier today. The problem is that everything else looks really neat on it Aug 02 20:01:00 oh, you're vanguard, I see :) Aug 02 20:01:22 was gonna say, you're the second person to come in asking about using webOS in a non-cloud way Aug 02 20:01:42 well...perhaps having your own cloud would be a better option Aug 02 20:02:05 summatusmentis: yeah, that is the account on the laptop I used earlier Aug 02 20:02:22 noted Aug 02 20:06:01 I just have to make up my mind: How important is it to me that my data is only in-house compared to the great ease-of-use with a Google Account :-/ Aug 02 20:11:11 I wish there was a way to stuff it into my firefox sync account... Aug 02 20:11:23 mozilla is the only one I really trust... Aug 02 20:11:46 http://vimeo.com/25762560 Aug 02 20:11:50 Ben Combee - The JavaScript Behind HP webOS: Enyo and Node.js Aug 02 20:18:18 in what language are WebOS apps written? Aug 02 20:19:30 javascript/html/css usually Aug 02 20:19:35 although you can write them in C also Aug 02 20:20:13 (using the official SDK, in theory there's nothing stopping you from putting other interpreters on the device) Aug 02 20:22:51 is there some IDE that one has to use? Aug 02 20:23:21 nope Aug 02 20:23:39 there are plugins to eclipse, but you can use whatever editors you want Aug 02 20:24:02 the javascript/html stuff is a framework called enyo Aug 02 20:24:20 the C stuff just has an API Aug 02 20:24:34 then there are command-line tools to package/build it Aug 02 20:24:39 sounds pretty Linux-friendly Aug 02 20:24:44 and you use vbox as the emulator Aug 02 20:24:53 or you can do all the enyo dev work in a browser Aug 02 20:25:07 you actuallly only need novacom to instal packages and the like (with some fiddling) don't need the rest of the sdk tools Aug 02 20:25:14 I would say "very" linux friendly Aug 02 20:25:27 i'm developing on FreeBSD, so no SDK, and am using a reverse engineered version of novacom Aug 02 20:25:30 and not having any serious issues Aug 02 20:26:51 sounds like a plus for webos Aug 02 20:27:29 getting a service installed was a big pain, but with the actual sdk i'm sure it's trivial Aug 02 20:27:50 you just need to create a role and a service file and restart ls-hubd.public Aug 02 20:33:24 if you use emacs, i've actually been experimenting with https://github.com/ivan4th/swank-js Aug 02 20:34:08 with some slight modifications it's easy to get it running against the node binary on the touchpad, i haven't tried forcing socket.io into an enyo app yet though Aug 02 20:34:29 and since the service initialization is actually all wrapped up in the controller thing, I can't figure out how you might plug it into a running service Aug 02 20:34:46 maybe if you rejiggered it to work with the v8 debugger protocol it might be possible Aug 02 20:41:15 my app get some low ratings and I'd like to see the reviews. my touchpad is on the way. is there a way to get to the app reviews on the web? my searchs have been fruitless and I hear the public feeds are down. Is the touchpad app catalog really the only way to read the reviews of my touchpad app? Aug 02 20:42:39 nohorse: there is no other way Aug 02 20:42:49 it's pretty stupid Aug 02 20:43:52 OK, I guess i'll read the reviews when i get my touchpad :( Aug 02 20:45:15 you could ask here for someone to paste them Aug 02 20:45:27 I don't have a TouchPad, so I can't.. but someone probably can Aug 02 20:46:15 Hi , can a webos application link with a private library that is distributed with the application? Aug 02 20:46:32 that would be a lot to ask. I think i'll just wait. I know there are things to fix. Aug 02 20:46:36 nohorse: what app? Aug 02 20:46:55 Astronomy Picture of the Day app for touchpad Aug 02 20:47:26 * rwatkins opens the app catalog waaay to many times a day checking reviews, placement and new apps. Aug 02 20:48:25 that cryket site grabs reviews Aug 02 20:48:32 pepone: if you static link, I suspect nobody'd be the wiser Aug 02 20:48:44 oilsworkn: does it still? Aug 02 20:49:03 my app does not show up on cryket. i think that data is stale Aug 02 20:49:13 APOD - 8 reviews, only real feedback is some want to see description info with pics. and maybe save/set as background/share the images. Aug 02 20:49:21 i dont think it updates often at all Aug 02 20:49:26 maybe saurik will kick it? :) Aug 02 20:50:47 back, from the beach Aug 02 20:51:24 anyone going to webos events in mexico city? Aug 02 20:52:22 I think NuttyBunny_Pre2 said he was Aug 02 20:54:15 oilsworkn: so what app are you working on lately? Aug 02 20:54:25 lol Aug 02 20:54:55 yeah thinking of going to that event, cuss i may still be in mx Aug 02 20:55:04 oilsworkn: FORGET I ASKED JERK Aug 02 20:55:08 would you be surprised if i said nothing? Aug 02 20:55:24 a little Aug 02 20:55:27 lol Aug 02 20:55:46 I found myself the least productive on my apps the more I have to do Aug 02 20:55:49 brb need to wait for the cable co in mexico, they come in hummers Aug 02 20:56:11 well Aug 02 20:56:12 brb in 15 Aug 02 20:56:27 i haven't had hte motivation to go fix whats wrong with lumberjacks list Aug 02 20:56:33 and preware is up to a point where things load Aug 02 20:56:46 but i dont feel like the scenes-to-panels conversion is the best way to go for it Aug 02 20:56:54 so i've been holding off waiting for inspriation Aug 02 20:56:58 oh? Aug 02 20:57:19 oilsworkn: been f-ckin off myself with coding so dont feel bad Aug 02 20:57:25 brb Aug 02 20:57:42 a "okay" idea: have a list of packages Aug 02 20:57:44 with filters Aug 02 20:57:54 "installed", "app", "theme", etc. Aug 02 20:58:13 and then have filterception: "app" --> "books" Aug 02 20:58:18 * rwatkins votes for Lumberjack. Aug 02 20:58:38 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/02/touchpad-update-speed-stability-questions/ Aug 02 20:58:51 rwatkins: it works, and Tibfib it does have working email log option Aug 02 20:58:57 it better Aug 02 20:59:03 but follow everything then flick the list to scroll it Aug 02 20:59:10 and your touchpad will become unusable Aug 02 20:59:20 dwc-: i want to dynamic link bzip2 Aug 02 20:59:46 What march must be used to link for the touch device? Aug 02 20:59:47 oilsworkn: I opted for setting 'uiRevision: 2' on the mojo one to just get more lines. unless you have a compiled enyo version. Aug 02 20:59:52 Has anyone used cufon in their Enyo app? Aug 02 21:00:02 oilsworkn: if it was on github, I would check it out ... Aug 02 21:00:21 Tibfib: lame excuse Aug 02 21:00:30 LoneStar99: I'm going to the Mexico City event! :) Aug 02 21:00:31 rwatkins: clone the enyo/lumberjack repo Aug 02 21:00:43 oilsworkn: I blame you for my lame excuse Aug 02 21:00:46 then copy the bin from the mojo version over Aug 02 21:00:50 (thats what i do) Aug 02 21:01:06 "The keyboard changes may be the most significant here — the onscreen keyboard is not only improved over the previous version, but so accurate that it may just be my favorite tablet keyboard yet. The auto-correction and predictive text input is excellent." -- Josh Topolsky Aug 02 21:01:09 oilsworkn: packaging more than just palm-package tho Aug 02 21:01:17 yeah Aug 02 21:01:29 once the binary is in there its just palm-package palm-install Aug 02 21:02:00 binary from the enyo one, or can I just package and install the enyo one over the non-enyo one? Aug 02 21:02:37 Tibfib: I honestly haven't used the keyboard since I updated enough to notice a difference Aug 02 21:02:41 but I did read that Aug 02 21:03:09 the binary from the mojo version copied into the enyo version Aug 02 21:03:14 the service hasn't changed Aug 02 21:03:20 hmmm, I'm not a huge fan of stuff using gravatar when I don't tell it to Aug 02 21:03:36 Tibfib: kevin? Aug 02 21:03:39 haha Aug 02 21:03:44 no, this one is actually of me Aug 02 21:03:59 but I don't really want to use that on thisismynext Aug 02 21:05:39 villo working on touchpad Aug 02 21:05:42 perfect scaling Aug 02 21:05:47 hmmmm, I hate the new snap scrollers Aug 02 21:06:00 wild'n poker is now pixel for pixel perfect across touchpad and pre 2 Aug 02 21:06:05 same ipk Aug 02 21:06:21 Mojo? Aug 02 21:07:15 mojo Aug 02 21:07:47 NuttyBunny_Pre2: really? i thinking of going forsure if I am still in mx Aug 02 21:08:41 NICE Aug 02 21:08:41 http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/02/touchpad-update-speed-stability-questions/#comment-275139187 Aug 02 21:09:34 no FIRST!? Aug 02 21:09:52 heh, that's sorted by best rating Aug 02 21:10:10 I was technically third Aug 02 21:11:02 all its missing is great apps. jees, like HP cant spend a few million, get the top couple dozen apps built and .. bingo! Aug 02 21:11:28 rwatkins: Yeah honestly Aug 02 21:11:30 hp needs to do this Aug 02 21:11:44 Netflix. Hulu. Aug 02 21:11:48 Im sure its not an original thought, but money really can solve this one. Aug 02 21:11:55 yeah. Aug 02 21:12:05 LoneStar99: Excellent!! I'll see you there!! I intend to go to both the workshop and the Connect event (I hope I get access) Aug 02 21:12:09 MS is doing that with WP7 Aug 02 21:12:28 HP needs good apps, doc editing, and as a photographer, I'd argue something to allow the TP to be used as a portfolio Aug 02 21:12:35 offering to compensate select devs for porting their popular iOS apps to WP7 Aug 02 21:12:35 iPad has a camera connection kit Aug 02 21:12:36 pay for all the dev costs, toss in some co-marketing $ and I'm sure they'd all sign right up. Aug 02 21:12:38 TP needs one Aug 02 21:13:10 they dont need "selected devs" they need Hulu, Neflix, Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, etc. Aug 02 21:13:22 yes Aug 02 21:13:27 not 1 man shops, companies. Aug 02 21:13:32 true Aug 02 21:13:34 game devs would be important Aug 02 21:13:48 get devs commited to the platform, not just a release Aug 02 21:13:58 sure, but go for the big hitters .. EA, etc. Aug 02 21:14:10 yeah that's what I mean Aug 02 21:14:21 there is no way they Aug 02 21:14:24 theyd' Aug 02 21:14:26 now, it's fair to note, iPhone didn't have these things originally either Aug 02 21:14:36 say 'no' if HP footed the bill and tossed in extra $. Aug 02 21:14:37 iPad did, but only because iPhone did Aug 02 21:14:41 but that doesn't matter Aug 02 21:14:51 what matters is that iPhone and iPad has it NOW and webOS does not Aug 02 21:14:57 indeed. Aug 02 21:14:58 summatusmentis: yeah but they created the market Aug 02 21:15:00 no, I agree Aug 02 21:15:07 cant sell a computer today comparing it to a DOS PC. Aug 02 21:15:07 I'm not saying it's not important Aug 02 21:15:08 both times Aug 02 21:15:16 NuttyBunny: what is the connect event? Aug 02 21:15:17 summatusmentis: sure Aug 02 21:15:25 just that it's hard to make these things happen overnight Aug 02 21:15:54 summatusmentis: its really not that hard -- paying for app development is very easy to scale. Aug 02 21:16:08 LoneStar99: There are 2 events, the workshop and later the webOS connect event, I don't know what that is :D Aug 02 21:16:08 pay all you want, you're not gonna get the apps tomorrow Aug 02 21:16:13 you can pay 2 people to build apps for your platform as easily as you can pay 200. Aug 02 21:16:17 we don't know that HP isn't working on these things Aug 02 21:16:27 you pay 200 today, I'm sure you get 198 in 6 months. Aug 02 21:16:33 get a job at hp to find out! Aug 02 21:17:04 there are a lot of situations where to big build apps for services you need partnerships or for the company with the service to write the app Aug 02 21:17:08 which a 1-man shop can't really do Aug 02 21:17:31 NuttyBunny: ok will look into forsure Aug 02 21:17:31 DraX: I'm not saying pay an independent dev to build Netflix, I'm saying you *pay Netflix*. Aug 02 21:17:52 you can, for example, mimic a lot of gmail using imap, but if you want the nice syncing stuff android does, you need to spend a lot of time to reverse engineer the syncing protocol it uses, or just get a partnership with google for docs Aug 02 21:18:11 rwatkins: yeah that's probably the only way Aug 02 21:19:08 brb again damn cable folks Aug 02 21:19:11 "Netfix, why you no port to webOS?" "becaused its not worth the cost" "ok, we pay you $500k to cover your dev costs and some extra." "ok". Aug 02 21:19:40 better be submitted in image form Aug 02 21:19:43 presumebly that was done with android, and yet android support only happened fairly recently Aug 02 21:20:02 actually, I'd love to see tighter integration with Google services Aug 02 21:20:17 for an OS that seems to be about cloud, they seem to be missing a lot of the big names in cloud Aug 02 21:20:22 google doesnt care about webos Aug 02 21:20:37 webos cares about google though Aug 02 21:20:42 no they dont Aug 02 21:20:50 why not? Aug 02 21:20:51 they went bing maps or whatever its called Aug 02 21:20:55 instead of google maps Aug 02 21:20:58 well, ok Aug 02 21:20:59 I would LOVE netflix on my tp Aug 02 21:21:03 none of the google browser detection stuff is updated for touchpad even Aug 02 21:21:06 webos ought to care about google though Aug 02 21:21:21 thats just google saying 'we're already top of the heap, we really dont give a damn who webOS uses' Aug 02 21:21:29 Google is arguably #1 in cloud service providing Aug 02 21:21:35 And Bing trying to steal from Google. Aug 02 21:22:50 * PatrickC wanders in Aug 02 21:23:34 i tried to get gmaps working.. if you put m.google.com/maps?v=palm (i think it's v=palm, might be webos), it'll force the webos version Aug 02 21:23:44 but it depends on some weird Pre stuff that is no longer in the browser Aug 02 21:23:49 and just doesn't work at all Aug 02 21:24:08 * PatrickC like BGFMaps Aug 02 21:24:16 i think maps does some hinting to make back-gesture work, but that doesn't work anymore Aug 02 21:24:16 it should be the stock app Aug 02 21:24:35 DraX: that was called from within the google maps app Aug 02 21:24:46 oilsworkn: ah Aug 02 21:24:56 card:somethingorother i think Aug 02 21:24:58 i can dig it up Aug 02 21:25:19 there was probably some talk between the app with a webview widget and the actual maps website Aug 02 21:25:46 * PatrickC is happy he went with GPL Aug 02 21:31:07 anyone use the media indexer? Aug 02 21:31:31 Tibfib! Aug 02 21:31:45 * Tibfib hid Aug 02 21:31:46 es Aug 02 21:31:52 I can't read Koto's code :P Aug 02 21:31:53 PatrickC: Aug 02 21:31:58 haha Aug 02 21:32:00 doh. I need to stop leaning on the enter button Aug 02 21:32:11 lol Aug 02 21:32:38 Tibfib: I got tried to use the MediaIndexer app to look at for my app, and couldn't get it to work Aug 02 21:32:53 so finally I just copied the app into my app, still doesn't work.. Aug 02 21:32:54 I don't even Aug 02 21:33:08 I included everything that was needed, and updated the sources.json Aug 02 21:33:30 the log shows *nothing* Aug 02 21:33:50 read up on the media indexer on developer.palm.com Aug 02 21:33:55 see how it works Aug 02 21:34:00 ok... Aug 02 21:34:04 THEN look at Koto and incorporate it into your app Aug 02 21:34:12 reading? GOSH can't you just explain it to me?!?! Aug 02 21:34:31 thinking of opening all my code up... Aug 02 21:34:32 I can't look at koto.. tried that for the app assistant and got no where lol Aug 02 21:34:44 PatrickC: okay, then just look at the docs. Aug 02 21:34:50 It would probably help if you knew javascript Aug 02 21:34:59 Aug 02 21:35:14 software development is so hyperspecialized these days. Aug 02 21:35:29 i have oodles of experience, but i am not a webos developer, and i read what scrolls past me here sort of passively Aug 02 21:35:34 and i have no idea what you guys are talking about Aug 02 21:35:54 media indexer is a program that runs on webos devices looking at the usb partition for media files Aug 02 21:35:57 and creates a list Aug 02 21:36:03 it sucks also Aug 02 21:36:03 so music/photo/etc app can get a simple list of files Aug 02 21:36:10 ah so it's job is to ruin your battery life Aug 02 21:36:14 yes Aug 02 21:36:16 gotcha Aug 02 21:36:17 haha Aug 02 21:36:32 its a feature you see Aug 02 21:36:53 the things we wont do to avoid a refresh button Aug 02 21:37:05 no, no Aug 02 21:37:05 well, its more then that Aug 02 21:37:08 it doesn't ruin your battery life Aug 02 21:37:15 it crashes before it can run it down Aug 02 21:37:21 it makes it easier for js devs to get a list of music files and their tags Aug 02 21:37:25 without having to code all that themselves Aug 02 21:37:32 then it reports crappy data Aug 02 21:37:34 and when it starts up next time, it doens't rescan the dir for anything that was added while it was dead Aug 02 21:37:39 and has major bugs and palm won't admit it Aug 02 21:37:45 oh, so it helps other apps ruin your battery life Aug 02 21:37:49 one indexer looking at the usb partition is better then 100 poorly written indexers looking at the drive Aug 02 21:38:15 that reminds me, I need to stick my phone in usb mode so I can get it to reindex Aug 02 21:38:18 "one poorly written indexer looking at the usb partition is better then 100 poorly written indexers looking at the drive" <--- fixed Aug 02 21:39:05 %s/one indexer/one poorly written indexer Aug 02 21:39:07 kids these days. Aug 02 21:39:44 too bad infobot is banned from #webos from misuse :/ Aug 02 21:40:30 how do you misuse an infobot Aug 02 21:40:49 esser: i think you mean (replace-string "one indexer" "one poorly written indexer") Aug 02 21:40:56 DraX: heathen! Aug 02 21:41:13 my elisp machine disagrees Aug 02 21:42:01 * esser agitates the farmers and arms them with pitchforks Aug 02 21:42:07 esser: the channel turned into nothing but telling infobot to remember stuff so they could have infobot repeat it later Aug 02 21:42:25 oilsworkn: oh, so people are morons. Aug 02 21:42:26 obviously, someone should have taught them that they could do that in private message Aug 02 21:42:29 yeah that's new. Aug 02 21:42:34 heh Aug 02 21:42:40 that way less people would know who put in the stupid stuff later Aug 02 21:43:53 and its easier to get rid of a bot then it is to get rid of or fix morons :) Aug 02 21:47:20 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell Aug 02 21:47:28 that comic is so spot on Aug 02 21:53:12 lol Aug 02 21:54:48 yeah I've only ever done one freelance website...that pretty much sums up why Aug 02 21:56:01 gross Aug 02 22:03:35 http://twitter.com/#!/donlemoncnn/status/98387395841495040 - Don Lemon AMA Aug 02 22:06:54 This is the first time I find myseld having so many things open that I actually got lost inside my phone. I really love webOS!!!!! :D Aug 02 22:07:21 I'm waiting for TouchPad demo units to show up at Hardly Normal. Aug 02 22:07:38 See how well Pre2/Veer + TouchPad works. Aug 02 22:08:36 I miss dekan Aug 02 22:08:41 we use to have great conversations Aug 02 22:08:46 I tought him lots of nice phrases Aug 02 22:08:51 and he insulted people Aug 02 22:09:09 i take it dekan was the bot Aug 02 22:10:00 that was a different bot Aug 02 22:10:01 mebe Aug 02 22:10:16 i'm sorry for your loss. Aug 02 22:10:56 * Tibfib nods a "thanks" through his tears Aug 02 22:11:03 * esser gives Tibfib a tissue. Aug 02 22:15:11 * haeffb sniffles at the thought of dekan being lost forever Aug 02 22:15:26 and then the moment passes and he moves on Aug 02 22:15:31 * PatrickC must have came after dekan Aug 02 22:15:32 * Tibfib hands haeffb the tissue Aug 02 22:15:45 ew, gross Aug 02 22:15:51 unused Aug 02 22:16:15 wait, PatrickC === dekan? Aug 02 22:16:18 on further reflection, PatrickC may *be* dekan 2.0 Aug 02 22:16:22 IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW Aug 02 22:16:27 OH MY GOSH Aug 02 22:16:28 lol Aug 02 22:17:03 dekan 2.0 is to dekan 1 as skype 5.0 is to old skype Aug 02 22:17:09 oilsworkn: great minds think alike. and ours. Aug 02 22:17:19 it's mapscmd:cardmode, mapscmd:historyactive Aug 02 22:17:23 heh Aug 02 22:17:45 that the palm mode for maps tries to set window.location too Aug 02 22:17:50 s/too$/to/ Aug 02 22:18:00 oh dang, even with the end line Aug 02 22:18:11 hardcore Aug 02 22:18:42 bbl reboot Aug 02 22:18:42 i guess there was only one too, so meh Aug 02 22:21:31 anybody remember my online banking PIN? Aug 02 22:22:01 1234 Aug 02 22:22:23 it's my cup size followed by your birth year Aug 02 22:24:11 even more importantly, anybody remember why the hell I pay $90 a month for satellite TV? Aug 02 22:24:26 you like the shows Aug 02 22:24:57 you can't bring yourself to cancel Aug 02 22:25:12 haeffb: cut the cord man! Aug 02 22:25:25 eh? It's satellite. There is no cord. Aug 02 22:25:26 netflix++ Aug 02 22:25:27 * akanster has gone all Netflix & Hulu Plus Aug 02 22:25:33 the big dish on your roof is a part of your aesthetic Aug 02 22:25:53 soon as I can get netflix on my TP... Aug 02 22:25:55 * Tibfib could deal with hulu- Aug 02 22:26:04 haeffb: no Xbox or PS3? Aug 02 22:26:20 or a Roku box, even Aug 02 22:26:23 oh, I can do Netflix on my bluray Aug 02 22:26:28 s/can/do/ Aug 02 22:26:35 <-- said "do do" Aug 02 22:26:39 i have a DLNA server, and my TV does DLNA and netflix, so no cable Aug 02 22:26:56 wait, I can get a month free trial of Hulu+ w/ a .edu email address? Aug 02 22:27:10 oh, wait. Sports. That's the reason I pay $90 a month for satellite. Aug 02 22:27:38 summatusmentis: They used to give a free month if you signed up with IE9 Aug 02 22:28:45 yeah, but then I'd have to use IE9 Aug 02 22:29:16 well for the 2 minute signup Aug 02 22:29:26 i didn't know people that used ie9 existed Aug 02 22:29:45 it automatically installs on win7/vista no? Aug 02 22:29:54 (well, if you run updates) Aug 02 22:29:56 i don't actually know any windows users Aug 02 22:30:02 * oilsworkn uses windows Aug 02 22:30:03 HBO GO streaming on my TP Aug 02 22:30:04 now you do! Aug 02 22:30:05 haha Aug 02 22:30:13 windows is banned at work unless you have a special reason Aug 02 22:30:24 and my friends mostly use linux or mac Aug 02 22:30:28 all the machines here are windows Aug 02 22:30:41 DraX: can I ask where "work" is? Aug 02 22:30:41 but our servers are running centos Aug 02 22:30:55 summatusmentis: google Aug 02 22:31:28 oh, yeah :) I briefly wondered if that's where, because that's the only company I'm aware of with a policy like that Aug 02 22:31:37 can you say anything about what you do? Aug 02 22:31:54 (purely curious) Aug 02 22:31:57 anybody else tried Titanium Studio yet? Aug 02 22:31:58 he's the guy who types "did you mean ...?" Aug 02 22:32:00 i work on structured markup extraction (like html5 microdata) Aug 02 22:32:09 lol Aug 02 22:32:11 and that's about all i can say Aug 02 22:32:15 fair enough Aug 02 22:33:02 in 6-10 years, after I start and finish my PhD, I think I'd like to work for Google, maybe Aug 02 22:33:50 make sure you enjoy/can handle writing a lot of c++ or java :) Aug 02 22:34:12 I do a fair amount of C coding now Aug 02 22:34:20 Java was all we did in undergrad Aug 02 22:34:33 (obviously C++ isn't C, but you know) Aug 02 22:34:49 yeah, it's a particular subset of c++, i think the style guide is public Aug 02 22:35:39 now who knows, maybe in 6 years there'll be a different hip, happenin' company that'll be more appealing Aug 02 22:35:58 i actually am here by way of an acquisiton Aug 02 22:36:06 for about a year, like it so far Aug 02 22:36:15 aside from the fact that i went from writing server-side JS to c++ :) Aug 02 22:37:02 what company were you a part of before Google ate you? or can you say? Aug 02 22:37:08 metaweb Aug 02 22:37:15 we do http://www.freebase.com Aug 02 22:37:23 oh yeah, Skud worked there? Aug 02 22:37:26 is that right? Aug 02 22:37:27 yes Aug 02 22:37:37 I read her blog post about that Aug 02 22:38:05 yeah Aug 02 22:38:27 small world? Aug 02 22:38:37 skud is internet famous Aug 02 22:38:39 people I "know" through GSoC are in the same circles as Skud Aug 02 22:38:47 but also internet famous Aug 02 22:38:47 plus she's wrapped up in nymwars, etc right now Aug 02 22:38:52 this Aug 02 22:38:53 anyone know the linux path for battery information? (like health) Aug 02 22:39:06 * oilsworkn has never heard of skud :/ Aug 02 22:39:08 summatusmentis: i actually mentor in gsoc (have for the last 3-4 years) :) Aug 02 22:39:20 DraX: I was a student in 2008 and 2009 Aug 02 22:39:27 i was a student in.. 05 or 06 Aug 02 22:39:29 i forget which Aug 02 22:39:59 what org? Aug 02 22:40:07 xmms2 (both student and mentor) Aug 02 22:40:17 oh neat Aug 02 22:40:26 i hate the word student Aug 02 22:40:35 not like any of us ever stop learning Aug 02 22:40:43 part of my like of webos, is that it has a similar service approach to xmms2 Aug 02 22:41:04 esser: I'm convinced many people do stop the pursuit of knowledge Aug 02 22:41:09 and any learning they do is more passive Aug 02 22:41:26 yeah, but if you put their hands on a hot plate, they'll still remember not to do that anymore Aug 02 22:41:29 esser: further, in GSoC it's an official designation (in that you have to be enrolled in a university) Aug 02 22:41:48 i may be slightly bitter since i never had the benefit of going to a university Aug 02 22:45:10 its been so long since I've run a theme lol Aug 02 22:45:25 lol man Aug 02 22:46:18 esser: but I agree, in some ways, the designation of students being learners is flawed Aug 02 22:46:45 and I'm installing debian too :) Aug 02 22:47:07 found it: /sys/devices/w1_bus_master1 Aug 02 22:47:15 * PatrickC is sad you can't change launcher pages in 2.x and 3.x :/ Aug 02 22:48:34 student !== learner Aug 02 22:49:06 not all students learn things and not all people who learn things are students Aug 02 22:49:44 the accepted role, societally, of students is a learner Aug 02 22:49:49 id put most students as reseachers tbh Aug 02 22:49:57 but as with any grouping, it's not always accurate Aug 02 22:49:57 researchers* Aug 02 22:50:07 i'd put most students as professional alcoholics Aug 02 22:50:13 that too :) Aug 02 22:50:25 hand in hand, hell thats where i want to be :P Aug 02 22:50:47 on the piss whilst researching Aug 02 22:50:48 nice Aug 02 22:51:19 * haeffb has known many "students" who went through four years of undergrad without learning a damn thing. Aug 02 22:51:52 I'm aware of quite a few people with graduate degrees that can't write a complete sentence. Aug 02 22:52:32 geg Aug 02 22:53:11 writing is not really emphasized in many places Aug 02 22:54:40 That may veyr well be the case, but a graduate degree is completely useless if you can't communicate with small or large groups of people effectively. Aug 02 22:55:36 dunno if this is old news but reading in an industry mag here in the UK, Polycom are potentially looking to its UC capabilities to webOS Aug 02 22:55:50 what is UC? Aug 02 22:56:00 unified comms Aug 02 22:56:36 this is June so anything could have changed Aug 02 22:56:49 oh, I vaugely remember hearing about that Aug 02 22:57:25 dunno if the theory in the mag will hold water or not... time will tell Aug 02 22:59:13 debian takes forever to install.. lol Aug 02 22:59:33 lol, really? Aug 02 22:59:47 yep Aug 02 22:59:59 its been installing for about 10-15 min I guess Aug 02 23:00:11 since I first clicked graphical install Aug 02 23:00:11 omg, wow :P Aug 02 23:00:29 hey LarrySteeze Aug 02 23:00:42 fine, you dragged me in here -_- Aug 02 23:00:49 haha Aug 02 23:00:53 I really shouldn't be on irc anyways Aug 02 23:01:05 why? Aug 02 23:01:09 I'm supposed to be working on my app Aug 02 23:01:19 I need to work on mine too Aug 02 23:01:26 I'm always on irc when working Aug 02 23:01:41 especially since a pretty major competitor is starting to get some buzz...and it's described exactly the same way as mine Aug 02 23:01:57 LarrySteeze: I'm having that same problem. Aug 02 23:02:24 yeah...well, apparently they had a 1 year head start on me...and I'm one year in as it is Aug 02 23:02:28 TYLER3_o: really? Aug 02 23:02:40 LarrySteeze: wow Aug 02 23:02:57 PatrickC: Yup. I'm trying to push out this update that adds a lot of new functionality to my game but my competitor was just mentioned in Pivot :( Aug 02 23:03:27 TYLER3_o: I noticed that Aug 02 23:03:32 ouch.. not good Aug 02 23:03:44 * PatrickC doesn't have a tp yet so can't read Pivot Aug 02 23:04:35 anyone got Pivot's appid? Aug 02 23:04:59 PatrickC: It's not an app. It's part of the official app cat. Aug 02 23:05:08 aww.. :/ Aug 02 23:08:21 anyone have the enyo appcat id? Aug 02 23:09:32 PatrickC: you'd still probably have to get it from a doctor Aug 02 23:09:41 ok.. Aug 02 23:09:48 TYLER3_o: fwiw, I liked your app Aug 02 23:09:53 I just don't wanna buy more levels Aug 02 23:10:03 also, I meant to ask you, where are you getting your photos from? Aug 02 23:10:52 summatusmentis: Thanks :) This new update will bring a scored mode, cleaner interface, more game packs, bug fixes, and (possibly) Villo integration. If not Villo, then it's coming next. Aug 02 23:11:24 TYLER3_o: lemme know if you need Villo help Aug 02 23:12:08 My brother does all the graphics work and there is this one website that has a big library of images that you can use for whatever. Other images we bought (to use for screenshots in app cat). I don't know the sites though. Aug 02 23:12:14 PatrickC: Thanks Patrick Aug 02 23:12:17 destinal: I don't see the com.palm.app.findapps anywhere it normally would be Aug 02 23:12:22 TYLER3_o: how is villo useful in that app? Aug 02 23:12:27 PatrickC: "id": "com.palm.app.enyo-findapps", Aug 02 23:12:43 where's that from? Aug 02 23:12:47 PatrickC: in /media/cryptofs Aug 02 23:12:59 I'm looking in /media/cryptofs now Aug 02 23:13:02 don't see it Aug 02 23:13:09 *extracted the doctor Aug 02 23:13:10 summatusmentis: Mainly for leaderboards (Once the scored mode is out and about) and storing your data like levels completed and such. But, I want to add a chatroom, Villo profiles, and leaderboards. Aug 02 23:13:14 Unfortunately, my "competitor" has a headstart on me in development...but only plans to release (at least for now) on iOS. Aug 02 23:13:16 - /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.enyo-findapps Aug 02 23:13:28 whoops said leaderboards twice Aug 02 23:13:38 TYLER3_o: the reason I ask about where you get the photos is I'm an amateur photographer, and if you're looking for content in that way, I'd potentially be interested in getting more exposure Aug 02 23:13:46 destinal: /media/cryptofs is a dead end in the doctor Aug 02 23:14:31 summatusmentis: Alright. I'll keep that in mind when I talk to my brother next. We'll be adding a "credit" page to our app soon because some new photos we're using will need to have the photographer credited. Aug 02 23:15:16 yeah, I'm not saying YOU HAVE TO USE MY PHOTOS, just an idle thought I had while wasting time with your app :) Aug 02 23:15:32 yeah, yeah, I understand Aug 02 23:15:42 PatrickC: yeah, it's a cryptofs mounted from /media/internal/.palm Aug 02 23:16:17 anyway it's odd that palm would store an app there Aug 02 23:16:27 err HP now :) Aug 02 23:16:56 /media/internal is empty too Aug 02 23:17:43 yeah typically: Aug 02 23:17:44 /dev/mapper/store-media on /media/internal type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro) Aug 02 23:18:28 haha it knows I'm on a pre2 Aug 02 23:18:30 so it's another filesystem on another slice of the disk on a touchpad, and I think it starts empty and is populated by the doctor Aug 02 23:18:50 PatrickC: oh you installed the app? Aug 02 23:18:54 yeah Aug 02 23:18:57 and it ran Aug 02 23:19:12 PatrickC: did you already install enyo separately? Aug 02 23:19:16 yep Aug 02 23:19:23 very easy to put enyo on a pre2 Aug 02 23:19:33 and I have some fixes for it too Aug 02 23:20:51 PatrickC: what's the message it gives you, you can probably bypass the check Aug 02 23:21:04 I haven't checked the logs yet Aug 02 23:21:06 1 second Aug 02 23:21:14 * haeffb is annoyed that taskr is in Pivot Aug 02 23:21:38 why? Aug 02 23:21:54 * haeffb didn't realize that the TP wouldn't ship with a basic todo app Aug 02 23:22:14 * haeffb should have been coding a tasks app months ago Aug 02 23:22:36 not annoyed with HP or OMAStudios - annoyed with myself Aug 02 23:22:48 destinal: the enyo one won't show... hmm.. Aug 02 23:23:20 ah there it is Aug 02 23:23:51 haeffb: ah, I see Aug 02 23:24:01 destinal: http://pastebin.com/YL2zU04p Aug 02 23:25:32 PatrickC: there's a service too that may need to be running Aug 02 23:25:39 and may not be happy with 2.x at all Aug 02 23:26:05 yeah.. Aug 02 23:26:10 since you don't need to install stuff you could probably modify the app code not to call the service Aug 02 23:26:58 hmm.. I'll try that in a few Aug 02 23:27:43 Do or Do Not, there is No Try Aug 02 23:27:53 * NuttyBunny enters Jedi Mode Aug 02 23:27:54 destinal: got a doctor and a pre close? Aug 02 23:28:10 touchpad doctor* Aug 02 23:29:15 NuttyBunny: I successfully installed the enyo app cat on my phone Aug 02 23:29:33 PatrickC: yeah Aug 02 23:29:40 PatrickC: lemme guess, com.palm.findapps ? Aug 02 23:29:50 we can put enyo on the pre in a matter of minutes Aug 02 23:29:55 com.palm.app.enyo-findapps Aug 02 23:29:56 and I can send you a fix for phones Aug 02 23:30:14 quite close ;) Aug 02 23:30:23 yep :) Aug 02 23:32:22 Hmm... Is there a way for a service to peek at, say, what's playing in the music app? Aug 02 23:37:40 bbl Aug 02 23:46:38 Oooh, the OTA patch was issued yesterday? Nifty. Aug 02 23:46:50 How do you guys feel about apps that append "shared via XYZ" to the "email this" or "tweet this" feature? Aug 02 23:47:02 yay or nay? Aug 02 23:47:22 * haeffb has never used XYZ Aug 02 23:47:28 well my app Aug 02 23:47:36 haeffb: Sounds like slang for a drug :P Aug 02 23:47:47 akanster: Twitter has a spot for the posting application, no? :) Aug 02 23:48:15 ie http://twitter.com/webOSdev is "... about 5 hours ago via Echofon" Aug 02 23:48:37 You mean like that? Or am I missing the point? :x Aug 02 23:49:17 oh, not that Aug 02 23:49:34 akanster: I think it's no problem in the email, but if the name is kinda long then I wouldn't like it in the tweet this or sms Aug 02 23:49:55 For reference though, I'm going to be doing that in an app that I've been working on for phones Aug 02 23:49:58 Shadyman: In the mesaage body. Aug 02 23:50:03 Oh. Eww. Aug 02 23:50:19 Email, it's an annoyance but tolerable. Tweets it'd be more like spamvertising Aug 02 23:50:42 Maybe only add it in the tweet if it's under 140 chars? Aug 02 23:50:44 of course, the user can always edit the text before sending Aug 02 23:51:03 You don't want to have to make the user edit our the appended stuff to be able to send it Aug 03 00:10:09 akanster: only if I can delete that append on a per-message basis, and turn it off in preferences. You can certainly default it to on. Aug 03 00:11:49 sounds reasonable enough. I know it's blatant advertising but I just dont want it to be frustrating Aug 03 00:12:41 you're allowed to be blatant by default, as long as it can be turned off in preferences. Aug 03 00:13:21 but if you force me to advertise for you, I'll delete the app. Aug 03 00:13:27 :) Aug 03 00:14:17 but yeah, I feel the same way Aug 03 00:14:43 BigBiff_: how the hell are ya? Aug 03 00:21:33 BigBiff_: never mind. Aug 03 00:25:00 back here :) Aug 03 00:55:35 hey NuttyBunny Aug 03 01:00:37 So, it looks like the 3.x cookie bug may be on my end? Aug 03 01:00:54 I'm still trying to figure it out but that's what it's looking like. hmm.. Aug 03 01:01:45 and debian is still installing Aug 03 01:02:11 The cookies are NOT deleted nor altered in any way when the device is shutdown/booted up. I do have my app resetting them on launch but only it detects the cookie isn't there. Aug 03 01:02:35 So I guess it's falsely detecting the cookie isn't there Aug 03 01:05:58 twbbas: why are you doing that? :) Aug 03 01:07:13 NuttyBunny: It's supposed to be for when the user uses the app for the first time and it preloads them into "haven't used the app yet" mode with all the levels not completed and such. Aug 03 01:07:39 twbbas: no, no... I found a better way :) hold on Aug 03 01:07:47 and debian is installed.. I think Aug 03 01:23:48 summatusmentis: ping Aug 03 01:24:27 anyone have a TouchPad that is willing to test something for me? Preferably have Differences already installed. Aug 03 01:26:00 Anyone with a touchpad wanna answer some quick questions? Aug 03 01:26:33 akanster: Hit me Aug 03 01:27:01 in the photos exhibition app, is the background pure black Aug 03 01:27:08 or really dark gray? Aug 03 01:27:53 twbbas: wanna shoot me an email? I can get to it later tonight, I'm in the middle of something right now Aug 03 01:27:57 akanster: It's definitely not the gray from the photos (non-exhibition) app so I think it's just black. Aug 03 01:28:05 summatusmentis: Sure. Want to PM me your email address? Aug 03 01:28:22 akanster: Yeah, it's definitely black. Aug 03 01:28:42 thanks Aug 03 01:31:08 no problem Aug 03 01:31:46 one more twbbas :) Aug 03 01:32:05 actually, nevermind Aug 03 01:33:02 lol Aug 03 01:34:35 dang, I've hardly noticed any speed improvements on my device after 3.0.2 Aug 03 01:34:39 nuttycam Aug 03 01:34:46 I still get some lag when I first switch to some apps with lists Aug 03 01:34:49 NuttyBunny: LOL Aug 03 01:36:23 twbbas: re: your email, I feel like I saw that bug once when I first installed Differences, but that was before 3.0.2, and after I replyaed the levels, I didn't see it again Aug 03 01:38:00 summatusmentis: You rebooted your device and the data stayed? Aug 03 01:38:15 yeah Aug 03 01:38:21 O.o Aug 03 01:38:26 but I haven't checked it since 3.0.2 Aug 03 01:38:33 Hmmmmmmm Aug 03 01:38:36 I'll check it again tonight, and see what I can figure out Aug 03 01:38:42 Yes, please do that. Thanks. Aug 03 01:38:48 of course Aug 03 01:38:59 I had 1 user email me about his data being deleted and my data is deleted upon every reboot. Aug 03 01:41:19 destinal: ping Aug 03 01:51:01 LarrySteeze: hey! Aug 03 01:55:49 who's LarrySteeze ? Aug 03 01:56:39 a cool guy who helped me ysterday Aug 03 01:59:21 who's ready to laugh??!?! Aug 03 01:59:35 ACTION  Aug 03 01:59:38 me! me! Aug 03 01:59:39 * twbbas is Aug 03 02:01:07 /me Aug 03 02:01:11 wEEEE Aug 03 02:01:17 akanster: failme Aug 03 02:03:45 not me. Aug 03 02:03:56 * NuttyBunny thinks funkatron is playing with photofun Aug 03 02:04:07 I just reset my Veer to factory settings, but I cannot seem to be able to shut if off now at the language selection screen. How can I shut it down to retrieve my SIM card? Aug 03 02:05:39 pull the battery out? 8D Aug 03 02:05:43 haha Aug 03 02:05:47 hold down the power button? Aug 03 02:06:02 systemclient, just pull the sim card Aug 03 02:06:35 funkatron: I did and it just went to sleep Aug 03 02:06:45 NuttyBunny: apparently, now it is shut down. Strange … Aug 03 02:06:53 welp Aug 03 02:07:08 being asleep seems like an okay time to pull the battery Aug 03 02:07:48 funkatron: where's our lulz? Aug 03 02:08:36 http://gim.ie/lto Aug 03 02:09:00 lemonade! Aug 03 02:09:19 LOL Aug 03 02:11:32 well, the veer is going to sleep for a long time now ;-) Aug 03 02:11:46 if it is not actually off, it will die sleeping eventually Aug 03 02:11:55 what's the sim card going in? Aug 03 02:12:10 at the top of the bottom part of it Aug 03 02:12:22 or top of the back Aug 03 02:12:44 I meant what's the new phone Aug 03 02:12:56 Sony Ericsson w810i Aug 03 02:13:21 or to be more exact, I go back to my old phone, apparently I do not really need a smartphone Aug 03 02:13:43 I got a slight problem with putting my data into the cloud instead of syncing it with my computer directly Aug 03 02:14:09 and 300€ + 15€/month to just check my email is a little much I think Aug 03 02:14:32 but other than that, the Veer is a damn fine device Aug 03 02:15:41 if you can figure out how to get the data you need on the device, you can make it a wifi-only device if you want (or, I assume it's available on the veer, I know you can do it on the pres) Aug 03 02:16:48 * PatrickC needs to go thru and comment his code Aug 03 02:18:00 * NuttyBunny reboots... Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [enyo.MediaCapture], file:///usr/palm/frameworks/enyo/0.10/framework/build/enyo-build.js:219 ... ideas?? :( Aug 03 02:18:48 NuttyBunny broke it! Aug 03 02:19:00 nah, it hasn't worked yet Aug 03 02:19:33 just plugged the latest enyo on my Pre2, it doesn't work out of the box... similar to the other version... had to patch it ;) Aug 03 02:22:36 hehe Aug 03 02:22:46 send it this way (or just instructions) Aug 03 02:23:21 later, gotta see tv Aug 03 02:23:32 ok Aug 03 02:24:33 NuttyBunny: Checke your depends.js Aug 03 02:24:45 might be missing something Aug 03 02:25:05 oh wait, that's an Enyo kind Aug 03 02:29:36 akanster: yep, not available in the version I had before.. testing after reboot... Aug 03 02:30:09 nope, the same... mmm... gotta look more into it Aug 03 02:31:26 happens in the emu as well... I might have to declare it somewhere Aug 03 02:32:00 I declare Aug 03 02:33:41 how Aug 03 02:34:16 lol Aug 03 02:34:20 I was kidding Aug 03 02:35:08 mmm... No soup for you! Aug 03 02:45:47 I declare... that NazziBunny has to declare it somewhere **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 03 02:59:57 2011