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Aug 06 03:01:01 <NuttyBunny> 4mb left..
Aug 06 03:01:23 <PatrickC> and.. I have to wait for Box to email back :/
Aug 06 03:01:38 * PuffTheMagic loves using The Pixi ;)
Aug 06 03:02:04 <NuttyBunny> No, The Pixi is mine
Aug 06 03:02:06 <PatrickC> "the Pixi" you have one too? :P
Aug 06 03:02:24 <NuttyBunny> The Pixi ©® NuttyBunny
Aug 06 03:02:34 <NuttyBunny> yours is a generic Pixi ;)
Aug 06 03:02:53 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: what does "The Pixi �� NuttyBunny" mean?
Aug 06 03:03:04 <summatusmentis> >_>
Aug 06 03:03:04 <NuttyBunny> stupic xchar
Aug 06 03:03:07 <NuttyBunny> xchat
Aug 06 03:03:08 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 03:03:27 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: it's not your client, it's PatrickC's
Aug 06 03:03:32 <summatusmentis> I saw the proper symbols
Aug 06 03:03:37 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 03:03:42 <NuttyBunny> ah, excellent :)
Aug 06 03:03:48 <PatrickC> stupid wIRC :P
Aug 06 03:03:58 <NuttyBunny> I didn't say anything
Aug 06 03:06:27 * NuttyBunny leaves. I'm gonna play TORCS :)   c-ya
Aug 06 03:06:43 <PatrickC> cya
Aug 06 03:07:11 <Tibfib> NuttyBunny: came out fine heree
Aug 06 04:00:51 <haeffb_> hmmm...according to july sales reports,  99 copies of pondNotes have been sold
Aug 06 04:02:12 <rwhitby> haeffb: sweet
Aug 06 04:02:31 <rwhitby> haeffb: the Pivot article increased PHD sales for a couple of days, but now they have gone back to normal.
Aug 06 04:04:21 * haeffb doesn't know if the sales report is "right" or not...
Aug 06 04:04:33 <haeffb> but 99 sales is not bad at all
Aug 06 04:05:00 <Tibfib> oohh, that's true
Aug 06 04:05:04 <Tibfib> chuq hasn't given the all clear
Aug 06 04:05:34 <haeffb> but Noted has only sold like 250 copies in the past year.
Aug 06 04:08:27 <Tibfib> ugh. javascript is failing me
Aug 06 04:09:36 <Tibfib> something is failing me
Aug 06 04:10:07 <Tibfib> code that used to work perfectly no longer does
Aug 06 04:10:25 <rwatkins> "i didnt change anything, i swear!"
Aug 06 04:10:31 <Tibfib> heh
Aug 06 04:11:34 <Tibfib> soooo weird
Aug 06 04:13:13 * PatrickC wanders in
Aug 06 04:13:50 <PatrickC> bah! "Now through Sunday, August 7, get $100 instant savings when you buy a 16GB or 32GB TouchPad."
Aug 06 04:14:08 <Tibfib> what's wrong with that?
Aug 06 04:14:28 <Tibfib_> alright, see you alll later
Aug 06 04:15:04 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: the fact that legacy discount was $50 and *only for 32GB*
Aug 06 04:15:15 <PatrickC> Jake_M: hey!
Aug 06 04:15:16 <Tibfib_> oh yeah
Aug 06 04:15:55 <rwatkins> so it would have been better for you if they had not offered the $100 discount this weekend?
Aug 06 04:16:21 <Jake_M> hey guys not sure if anyone knows the answer to this but I googled and surprisingly didn't come up with anything. my phone says my profile is still signed into another profile and wants to wipe *that* phone before signing into the profile. the problem is..i'm on the phone it WAS signed into, but i just doctored...
Aug 06 04:16:32 <rwatkins> or you want things that only happened today to have also happened in the past?
Aug 06 04:16:55 <PatrickC> rwatkins: they just didn't really "make things right"
Aug 06 04:17:16 <rwatkins> PatrickC: very tired phrase.
Aug 06 04:17:18 <PatrickC> Jake_M: sign in anyway?
Aug 06 04:17:26 <PatrickC> rwatkins: but very true
Aug 06 04:17:34 <rwatkins> why do they owe you anything?
Aug 06 04:17:38 <Jake_M> well idk if it's gonna wipe this phones USB drive
Aug 06 04:17:42 <Jake_M> its not a big deal but
Aug 06 04:18:00 <Shadyman> back that thang up
Aug 06 04:18:10 <PatrickC> rwatkins: they don't, but I just would rather see them treat supporters better
Aug 06 04:18:23 <Jake_M> meh theres nothing important that isn't in the cloud
Aug 06 04:18:40 <rwatkins> so ... you dont have any problem with them giving a $100 discount this weekend?
Aug 06 04:18:54 <PatrickC> I don't have a problem with it
Aug 06 04:18:59 <Jake_M> oh...palm.com/profile has a "remove this device from your profile" option
Aug 06 04:19:06 <PatrickC> but would have liked to see them do better before
Aug 06 04:19:23 <rwatkins> i would have loved a free TP.  But well, this is the real world.
Aug 06 04:19:27 <Jake_M> ah hell whatever.
Aug 06 04:19:31 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 04:19:33 <rwhitby> PatrickC: they actually never said that the $50 was "making things right".  Perhaps the $100 this weekend is the real making things right?
Aug 06 04:19:45 <Shadyman> or the $200 from staples ;)
Aug 06 04:19:59 <PatrickC> rwhitby: I thought they did say that the $50 was "making things right"?
Aug 06 04:20:08 <rwhitby> no, PreCentral said that, not HP.
Aug 06 04:20:12 <Jake_M> they never said that
Aug 06 04:20:16 <Jake_M> everyone just assumed that
Aug 06 04:20:21 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 04:20:22 <rwhitby> PreCentral does not speak for HP.
Aug 06 04:20:30 <rwatkins> you buy a device on day one, and there is aways the early adopter tax.  that should never be a suprise.
Aug 06 04:20:44 <Jake_M> they might...if you're on the downlow
Aug 06 04:20:54 <rwhitby> yeah, the day of release is always going to be the absolute most expensive day to purchase an electronic device.
Aug 06 04:21:13 <Jake_M> lol "the touchpad is 100 dollars more today" buy now!
Aug 06 04:21:30 * rwhitby chuckles every time someone mentions the down-low, having read on the urban dictionary what it actually means.
Aug 06 04:21:47 <Jake_M> oh god
Aug 06 04:22:05 * Jake_M goes to www.urbandictionary.com
Aug 06 04:22:05 <rwatkins> and you can whine about how you deserve better pricing than whatever they are offering.  but the fact is the $500 device is now $300 - sounds like good news to me.
Aug 06 04:22:10 * PatrickC shouldn't have googled...
Aug 06 04:22:16 <Jake_M> OH GOD
Aug 06 04:22:38 <PatrickC> rwatkins: I never said it wasn't good news
Aug 06 04:22:50 * rwhitby states categorically that he is not, and never has been, on the down-low with any company.
Aug 06 04:22:51 <SineOt> Wait, people don't know what on the down low is? :I
Aug 06 04:22:59 <Jake_M> MY INNOCENCE
Aug 06 04:23:25 <rwhitby> SineOt: apparently the author of that article doesn't, or else was using that piece to come out of the closet.
Aug 06 04:23:52 <Jake_M> or reveal his true ethnicity..kinda like michael jackson
Aug 06 04:24:43 <rwhitby> heh, my son just got a $100 off touchpad email from HP
Aug 06 04:24:51 <Jake_M> btw rod i just meta doctored again and i still think its a great privelege and i wanna say thanks
Aug 06 04:25:16 <rwhitby> cheers.
Aug 06 04:25:23 <Jake_M> i'm underage
Aug 06 04:25:39 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 04:27:24 <SineOt> BBC Sherlock has quite a few Palm Pres getting used.
Aug 06 04:28:18 <Jake_M> cuz its the PAAALLMM pre
Aug 06 04:31:59 <Shadyman> rwhitby: I want a $100 off email from HP :(
Aug 06 04:31:59 <PatrickC> why does villo need media capture.. why?
Aug 06 04:32:04 <PatrickC> I got one
Aug 06 04:33:23 <Jake_M> shadyman i can forward you the 3 that i got
Aug 06 04:33:25 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 04:33:34 <SineOt> I didn't. :< Not unless Gmail spam binned it.
Aug 06 04:33:41 <Shadyman> lol
Aug 06 04:33:47 <Shadyman> though it's probably US-only.
Aug 06 04:34:59 * Jake_M considers bringing up a sense of nationalism
Aug 06 04:35:21 <rwhitby> Shadyman: indeed, the one I got is not much use to me here in Australia
Aug 06 04:35:41 <SineOt> HP must know that... I may have made use of that recent Best Buy Nexus S deal. :T
Aug 06 04:36:03 <Shadyman> SineOt: Oh they're *on* to you.
Aug 06 04:36:28 <Shadyman> guess I'll just have to wait for regular ol' sales like, y'know, common folk.
Aug 06 04:36:29 <SineOt> Oh nooooooo D:
Aug 06 04:36:34 <Shadyman> (gasp)
Aug 06 04:37:49 <Shadyman> and for those reviewers comparing the touchpad to the blackberry playbook... The touchpad isn't seeing 50-75%+ returns.
Aug 06 04:37:58 <Shadyman> afaik
Aug 06 04:38:04 <Shadyman> unlike a certain book of play
Aug 06 04:38:19 <Shadyman> At least that's how it's been locally.
Aug 06 04:38:24 <PatrickC> and the book of play isn't very fun at all
Aug 06 04:38:28 <PatrickC> dkirker!!
Aug 06 04:38:49 <Shadyman> At Best Buy, they were sealing up a book of play last week, and putting the fourth OpenBox sticker on it.
Aug 06 04:38:51 <SineOt> Touchpad reviews aren't really that interesting, they all kind of suck
Aug 06 04:38:55 <Shadyman> 4th or 5th, i couldn't tell
Aug 06 04:39:35 <SineOt> "Ugh it weighs so much!" *Ignores all the Android tablets that are like insanely dense and heavy*
Aug 06 04:39:45 <Shadyman> SineOt: That's what SHE said?
Aug 06 04:39:55 <SineOt> Haha
Aug 06 04:41:44 <Jake_M> the problem with reviews i think is that they judge it on what the device isn't
Aug 06 04:41:58 <Shadyman> yeah
Aug 06 04:42:07 * PatrickC likes where the Villo Enyo is headed
Aug 06 04:42:34 <SineOt> That's the easy way to write a review, yeah
Aug 06 04:42:43 <Shadyman> so wtf's this about "it takes too long to rotate" and all this crap? I call BS.
Aug 06 04:43:04 <Jake_M> well 3.0.2 fixed any orientation problems
Aug 06 04:43:35 <PatrickC> Jake_M: have you seen the Enyo Villo?
Aug 06 04:43:37 <Jake_M> yes
Aug 06 04:43:39 <Shadyman> even before that, though.. not sure what kind of prerelease verisons these reviewers were playing with
Aug 06 04:43:54 <Jake_M> hmm..tried redoctoring and now its not compatible with this webos version
Aug 06 04:44:04 <Jake_M> would it hurt to redoctor to 1.4.5, then doctor to 2.1?
Aug 06 04:44:11 <Jake_M> sprint pre-
Aug 06 04:44:18 <PatrickC> don't think so
Aug 06 04:44:53 <Shadyman> That's a lot of doctoring.
Aug 06 04:45:37 <Jake_M> Your device isn't compatible with this version
Aug 06 04:45:41 <Jake_M> wait
Aug 06 04:45:43 <Jake_M> WHAT
Aug 06 04:45:50 <Muhb> What device? tablet?
Aug 06 04:46:09 <Jake_M> it said it wasn't compatible, then the phone just switches t o the image of the processor or whatever that is
Aug 06 04:46:14 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 04:46:17 <Jake_M> its doctoring suddenly
Aug 06 04:48:05 * PatrickC suddenly likes Villo even more.. :)
Aug 06 04:48:08 <DraX> so i don't know about release schedules and everything, but i submitted the browser rules update yesterday so the touchpad should start seeing tablet-centric google UIs over the next few weeks
Aug 06 04:49:06 <oil> nice :)
Aug 06 04:49:31 <PatrickC> DraX: who do you work for? Google?
Aug 06 04:49:35 <DraX> yes
Aug 06 04:49:41 <DraX> lets hope they all work in the touchpad browser. :)
Aug 06 04:49:44 <PatrickC> awesome!
Aug 06 04:49:47 <Jake_M> oh wow
Aug 06 04:49:57 <PatrickC> can you update google for webOS? :)
Aug 06 04:50:01 <PatrickC> phones*
Aug 06 04:50:46 <DraX> i'm going to spend a some 20% time trying to make the maps UI work well on the touchpad
Aug 06 04:50:57 <Shadyman> yay
Aug 06 04:51:00 <DraX> but that's the only thing on my radar
Aug 06 04:51:10 <Shadyman> k, g'nite folks
Aug 06 04:51:21 <PatrickC> DraX: that would be cool
Aug 06 04:51:34 <Jake_M> :( hover over Google for your Phone and click other phones
Aug 06 04:51:34 <Jake_M> http://www.google.com/mobile/+/
Aug 06 04:51:52 <Jake_M> look what class of phones we're in lol
Aug 06 04:52:26 <flare576> none? lol
Aug 06 04:52:32 <Jake_M> ?
Aug 06 04:52:50 <Jake_M> when you click Other Phones http://www.google.com/mobile/more/
Aug 06 04:52:56 <Jake_M> nokia flipphone
Aug 06 04:52:57 <DraX> the maps UI the touchpad will be getting soon actually pretty much works on touchpad (whereas the one it gets now doesn't really at all)
Aug 06 04:53:07 <DraX> only thing that doesn't work is no gesture for zooming, you have t ouse the zoom buttons
Aug 06 04:53:32 <DraX> and it seems to lose tiles a lot
Aug 06 04:53:52 <DraX> like it thinks it can cache it, but then when it tries to pull it out of the cache gets nothing
Aug 06 04:55:53 <PatrickC> wow.. kesne was right.. this code is confusing lol
Aug 06 04:56:44 <Jake_M> he hasn't updated it
Aug 06 04:56:50 <Jake_M> which is why the webos world enyo app isn't out yet
Aug 06 04:56:51 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 04:56:58 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 04:57:06 <Jake_M> i'm too lazy to figure out his BS
Aug 06 04:57:07 <PatrickC> I have the pre-release Villo Enyo Demo
Aug 06 04:57:21 <Jake_M> i know
Aug 06 04:57:29 <PatrickC> and its really confusing haha
Aug 06 04:57:56 <PatrickC> and doesn't work on the browser without changing some files
Aug 06 04:58:23 <Jake_M> speaking of webos world i feel like writing an article
Aug 06 04:58:29 <Jake_M> someone give me a topic to write about
Aug 06 04:58:34 <PatrickC> Jake_M: did you do the entire WOW app?
Aug 06 04:58:36 <Jake_M> homebrew how to
Aug 06 04:58:37 <Jake_M> yes
Aug 06 04:58:45 <Jake_M> article on the real meaning of down low
Aug 06 04:58:48 <PatrickC> I might look at the app-assistant
Aug 06 04:58:51 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 06 04:59:08 <Jake_M> anyone have an app they want me to review?
Aug 06 04:59:15 <PatrickC> webOSWiki.com
Aug 06 04:59:34 <PatrickC> I was gonna review webOSWiki.com , but I don't have any means to write the review yet
Aug 06 04:59:44 <Jake_M> what happened to webos101.com
Aug 06 04:59:49 <PatrickC> webOSWiki.com is gonna be mainly 3.0
Aug 06 04:59:51 <Jake_M> or webos-internals.org
Aug 06 04:59:52 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 05:00:03 <PatrickC> webos101 is still around, but webOSWiki.com is a new one for 3.0 that someone made
Aug 06 05:00:12 <PatrickC> I liked the idea, so I was gonna review it
Aug 06 05:00:28 <PatrickC> but I don't have any way to write a review till I get my tp
Aug 06 05:01:00 <Jake_M> ? do you not own a computer
Aug 06 05:01:33 <PatrickC> I do, but its like 11 years old.. hold on, lemme get a pic
Aug 06 05:01:59 <PatrickC> https://www.box.net/shared/4aj7uo72drpohrg2h7fg
Aug 06 05:02:11 <PatrickC> 128MB ram, 688MHz P3 processor
Aug 06 05:02:37 <PatrickC> and I don't use the main computer a lot (don't like sitting in the middle of the living room writing reviews)
Aug 06 05:02:39 <dwc-> 688? that's an interesting overclock
Aug 06 05:02:48 <Jake_M> LOL
Aug 06 05:02:52 <Jake_M> wtfi s that
Aug 06 05:03:08 <PatrickC> dwc-: not an overclock
Aug 06 05:03:13 <PatrickC> lemme make sure that's the speed
Aug 06 05:03:18 <Jake_M> i love http://kera.name/treediag/
Aug 06 05:03:21 <Jake_M> look at the min specs
Aug 06 05:03:21 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 05:03:22 <DraX> probably 667
Aug 06 05:03:59 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 05:04:20 <Jake_M> ????????
Aug 06 05:04:20 <dwc-> given bus speeds of 100 or 133, yea it's pretty interesting
Aug 06 05:04:25 <Jake_M> my phone won't f'in doctor to 1.4.5 or 2.1
Aug 06 05:04:27 <Jake_M> WHY
Aug 06 05:04:35 <Jake_M> it gets to like 56% in 1.4.5
Aug 06 05:04:41 <Jake_M> and its no longer compatible for 2.1
Aug 06 05:04:42 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 05:04:48 <Jake_M> *gun to head*
Aug 06 05:04:56 <dwc-> run the doctor from the command line and see what the output is
Aug 06 05:05:00 <Jake_M> oooohp. "we were unable to reset your phone'
Aug 06 05:05:21 <PatrickC> NOOO! twitter just said my account was suspended!
Aug 06 05:05:33 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Aug 06 05:05:56 <PatrickC> dwc-: 696MHz
Aug 06 05:06:24 <dwc-> that makes more sense from a software measurement perspective
Aug 06 05:07:38 <Jake_M> how do i start it from CMD
Aug 06 05:07:42 <dwc-> java -jar
Aug 06 05:07:45 <Jake_M> got it
Aug 06 05:09:22 <Jake_M> should i run the 2.1?
Aug 06 05:09:47 <dwc-> pick one. or both. maybe there'll be a commonality
Aug 06 05:09:56 <Jake_M> oh god numbers moving so fast
Aug 06 05:10:17 <flare576> So.. anyone know where VirtualBox "auto-mounts" shared folders to?
Aug 06 05:10:41 <Jake_M> err -1 "TOKEN MISMATCH: Failed to find match for Carrier information. Prevent user from flashing"
Aug 06 05:10:59 <PatrickC> uhoh
Aug 06 05:11:15 <Jake_M> okay the 1.4.5 doctor never finished the 4 times i tried it but its booting
Aug 06 05:11:19 <Jake_M> this'll be interesting
Aug 06 05:11:23 <rwhitby> Jake_M: done remove the carrier check
Aug 06 05:11:30 <rwhitby> s/done/don't/
Aug 06 05:11:54 <Jake_M> don't remove it??
Aug 06 05:13:39 <PatrickC> "Twitter does not monitor or send any emails from this address (support@twitter.com).
Aug 06 05:13:46 <PatrickC> whew..
Aug 06 05:13:52 <Jake_M> okay the phone booted with Phone Offline
Aug 06 05:14:01 <Jake_M> so basically the phone is in purgatory on this carrier
Aug 06 05:14:13 <Jake_M> let me see what 1.4.5 returns
Aug 06 05:15:21 <PatrickC> Jake_M: what phone?
Aug 06 05:15:45 <Jake_M> sprint pre-
Aug 06 05:15:50 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 05:16:12 <Jake_M> was running 2.1, tried redocotring, it worked originally but woudln't restore my data..would get like halfway
Aug 06 05:16:26 <Jake_M> so i tried redocotring and wouldn't recognize the 2.1 doctor
Aug 06 05:16:38 <Jake_M> and now here i am
Aug 06 05:17:24 <Jake_M> rod you had a status on trenchcoat once...what is it?
Aug 06 05:19:22 <rwhitby> what do you mean?
Aug 06 05:19:39 <Jake_M> you said something about the Trenchcoat team
Aug 06 05:20:05 <Jake_M> thats all i really remember. it was a few months ago. and when i google it, it comes up with WebOS Internals.org and its on the Bootie screen and i'm seeing it in the Terminal Logs
Aug 06 05:20:12 <rwhitby> trenchcoat is the utility which does the device-end of doctoring
Aug 06 05:20:19 <Jake_M> ohhh i see
Aug 06 05:20:26 <NuttyBunny> reminds me of my gf... "I wanted to tell you something but I don't remember what it was"
Aug 06 05:20:35 <Jake_M> hey it was months ago!
Aug 06 05:20:48 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 06 05:22:57 <Jake_M> its flashing the modem
Aug 06 05:23:48 <Jake_M> ...
Aug 06 05:25:12 <Jake_M> you know i love Preware's approach and i think its much easier than android but i also thought installing mods(cyagonenmod) for android on my friends phone was interesting
Aug 06 05:25:26 <Jake_M> it'd be interesting to make a metadoctor for myself that already has preware installed etc
Aug 06 05:25:55 <Jake_M> ...we could hack Palm.com and put a custom meta doctor with Preware installed
Aug 06 05:26:35 <dkirker> hi PatrickC
Aug 06 05:26:42 <DraX> preware is only possible because palm/hp does more than just use open source as a marketing weasel word
Aug 06 05:27:05 <Jake_M> i know thats why its awesome...its a shame Microsoft charges for people to use Chevron
Aug 06 05:27:17 <Jake_M> if Palm charged people to use Preware...
Aug 06 05:27:18 <Jake_M> lol
Aug 06 05:27:26 <dkirker> the webos-internals metadoctor makefile does all of that for you
Aug 06 05:27:44 <dkirker> ask them in #webos-internals
Aug 06 05:27:51 <DraX> i have an android phone because it's highly useful for work, but i really don't like it, and every time someone calls it open source it offends me, because it's not open source in spirit at all
Aug 06 05:28:13 <Jake_M> hmm..have you read @jperlow's recent article calling Android more open source than WebOS?
Aug 06 05:28:13 <dkirker> bingo!
Aug 06 05:28:21 * dkirker chokes
Aug 06 05:28:34 <PatrickC> hey dkirker
Aug 06 05:28:37 <PatrickC> what?
Aug 06 05:28:41 <Jake_M> hes dead
Aug 06 05:28:41 <DraX> android is some perversion of open source that goes out of its way to only benefit handset makers and carriers
Aug 06 05:28:58 <PatrickC> jperlow no longer exists
Aug 06 05:28:58 <Jake_M> yeah drax i can agree with that
Aug 06 05:29:18 <Lumiere> just a reminder that phone OS can not be entirely OSS
Aug 06 05:29:32 <Lumiere> the carriers would never allow it
Aug 06 05:29:45 <DraX> i'd agree with that
Aug 06 05:29:50 <DraX> i prefer the approach palm took to it though
Aug 06 05:30:00 <DraX> make the part people actually interact with as open source as possible
Aug 06 05:30:24 <DraX> open source not "free"
Aug 06 05:30:41 <Lumiere> the big thing palm did that nobody else did is to make 'developer mode' easy and open
Aug 06 05:30:54 <Jake_M> yeah you just click and bam
Aug 06 05:31:05 <DraX> the fact that most of the app source is ust on the phone is actually pretty huge
Aug 06 05:31:07 <Lumiere> android and iphone you have to go and 'root' the phone and every phone roots differently
Aug 06 05:31:09 <Jake_M> android is like here, go into recovery mode and now you need to
Aug 06 05:31:11 <DraX> it's very easy to figure out how stuff works
Aug 06 05:31:14 <Jake_M> install this update.zip
Aug 06 05:31:39 <dwc-> I think you're confusing "open source" with "ease of use"
Aug 06 05:31:59 <dkirker> I am hearing great things about the latest discounts. :) And seeing a decent number of people buying TouchPads, or considering it. :)
Aug 06 05:32:10 <Jake_M> i heard the Touchpad made it to the top 10 most bought tablets
Aug 06 05:32:12 <Jake_M> like almost top 5
Aug 06 05:32:18 <Jake_M> on amazon
Aug 06 05:33:01 <DraX> it's #2 right now
Aug 06 05:33:14 <DraX> on amazon
Aug 06 05:33:26 <Jake_M> crazy..its too bad the thing costs like 325
Aug 06 05:33:30 <Jake_M> so are they losing money? :S
Aug 06 05:33:40 <DraX> the 16gb is 399 right now
Aug 06 05:33:52 <Jake_M> 299 if you go to staples
Aug 06 05:34:06 <Jake_M> well that deal is over
Aug 06 05:34:11 <DraX> i kind of wish i'd waited to buy one :)
Aug 06 05:34:51 <Jake_M> i mean when Joshua Topolsky..the KING of tech news(imo) says the Pre 3 is his most anticipated phone, and says things like "The Touchpad's virtual keyboard may just be my favorite tablet keyboard yet"
Aug 06 05:35:00 <Jake_M> i feel like people should take more notice
Aug 06 05:35:36 <PatrickC> night all
Aug 06 05:35:44 <dkirker> good night PatrickC_
Aug 06 05:36:14 <Jake_M> okay for some reason
Aug 06 05:36:24 <Jake_M> the 2.1.0 doctor is giving me some carrier mismatch error
Aug 06 05:36:30 <Jake_M> gonna try recompiling the doctor
Aug 06 05:40:08 <Jake_M> THERE we go
Aug 06 05:40:13 <Jake_M> fuck
Aug 06 05:40:20 <Jake_M> PIMA
Aug 06 05:40:37 <Jake_M> if OIL hadn't changd my carriers settings
Aug 06 05:58:01 <Jake_M> ???
Aug 06 05:58:08 <Jake_M> okay Palm Profile restore is stuck at like..
Aug 06 05:58:13 <Jake_M> looks to be like 56%ish
Aug 06 05:58:26 <Jake_M> this is what happened earlier
Aug 06 05:58:29 <Jake_M> i'll just wait
Aug 06 05:59:03 <Jake_M> the Ev icon isn't active
Aug 06 05:59:21 <Jake_M> idea
Aug 06 06:05:03 <Jake_M> nope still doing it. thats so odd
Aug 06 09:24:57 <ArtworkAD> hi
Aug 06 09:25:15 <ArtworkAD> anyone else experiancing very lazy app submission?
Aug 06 09:25:45 <ArtworkAD> I submitted my app 3 weeks ago and it is still waiting for review
Aug 06 09:26:43 <ArtworkAD> is this because the review teams spends more time on enyo now?
Aug 06 09:43:32 <dkirker> ArtworkAD: What is your app name?
Aug 06 09:43:42 <dkirker> I can look into why it has not gotten reviewed.
Aug 06 09:44:19 <dkirker> You are also welcome to email me directly.
Aug 06 09:44:25 <ArtworkAD> its "smsflatrate" and I was in contact with "Adam.Danielski@palm.com" but got no response yet
Aug 06 09:44:44 <dkirker> that did pass through my queue the other day.
Aug 06 09:44:57 <ArtworkAD> its very simple app so dont know why it takes so long
Aug 06 09:45:34 <ArtworkAD> and my client is holding back my payment till the app is in app catalog^^
Aug 06 09:45:42 <dkirker> Well, I am going into work tomorrow afternoon. Can you drop an email to donald.kirker@palm.com and I will take a look.
Aug 06 09:45:50 <ArtworkAD> thank you
Aug 06 09:46:06 <dkirker> If you have any information that Adam sent you (rejections, comments, etc.) please include those.
Aug 06 09:46:20 <dkirker> Also, did you mark "Pre3" compatibility?
Aug 06 09:46:53 <ArtworkAD> yes "Compatible with : 	Palm Pre, HP Veer, Palm Pre2, HP Pre3 "
Aug 06 09:47:13 <dkirker> ok, I'll look at it in the afternoon and get back to you. :)
Aug 06 09:47:22 <ArtworkAD> thank you :)
Aug 06 09:47:24 <dkirker> And thanks for your patience!
Aug 06 09:47:43 <dkirker> (we'll get ya fixed up. :) )
Aug 06 11:11:48 <savs> does anyone have a script that matches the 'palm-generate' functionality? save me the effort of writing it, please!
Aug 06 12:57:47 <twbbas_> who's buying a 16GB tPad for $299 this weekend?
Aug 06 12:57:52 * twbbas raises hand
Aug 06 12:59:19 <Loudergood_> If I weren't moving at the end of the month I'd be all over that
Aug 06 12:59:46 <twbbas> The only reason I'm doing it is because it's cheaper than the dev program
Aug 06 12:59:51 <twbbas> and less of a hassle
Aug 06 13:00:00 * twbbas still hasn't gotten his coupon or belt color
Aug 06 13:00:55 <hotdp> If it was in eu for 299$ i would have bought it..
Aug 06 14:31:49 <PatrickC_> morning
Aug 06 14:42:05 <loonyshuttle> good day, my pixi is up again :D so time for another try and a new question: Can i log my gps position to an textfile?
Aug 06 14:42:37 <loonyshuttle> or log it anyway?
Aug 06 14:45:13 <PatrickC> loonyshuttle: log it how#
Aug 06 14:45:15 <PatrickC> ?*
Aug 06 14:46:29 <loonyshuttle> only the actual gps position at the moment i use an php file but it doesnt work and at preware i only find simplegps
Aug 06 14:47:15 <PatrickC> try Mapping Tool?
Aug 06 14:47:21 <PatrickC> I think that logs it
Aug 06 14:47:33 <PatrickC> or GPS Dashboard Free
Aug 06 14:47:55 <loonyshuttle> at preware? ö.ö
Aug 06 14:48:12 <PatrickC> Mapping tool is free in preware iirc
Aug 06 14:48:24 <PatrickC> GPS Dashboard is official catalog
Aug 06 14:49:03 <loonyshuttle> so my idea is to upload the tracking file or the file with the logs of tracks or something to an ftp so i can find myself and my phone :D
Aug 06 14:49:47 <PatrickC> like for if you lose your phone?
Aug 06 14:50:09 <loonyshuttle> one reason yes
Aug 06 14:50:28 <PatrickC> hmm.. you need a tracker that runs all the time then..
Aug 06 14:51:23 <loonyshuttle> yes so my first idea was the php file with this you can track it by click on the file from everywhere
Aug 06 14:51:51 <loonyshuttle> but it is a kind of nerdy to install apache, php, an make cronjobs and all this
Aug 06 14:52:02 <PatrickC> that's out of me league for now.. sorry :/
Aug 06 14:52:13 <loonyshuttle> :)
Aug 06 14:52:45 <loonyshuttle> mhh cant install maptool
Aug 06 14:52:56 <PatrickC> why not?
Aug 06 14:53:19 <PatrickC> try this: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.familyfonefinder.app.fff&applicationid=951
Aug 06 14:54:00 <PatrickC> that looks like it does what you need
Aug 06 14:54:29 <loonyshuttle> oh okok it runs lets test it
Aug 06 14:54:47 <loonyshuttle> lol geocaching support :)
Aug 06 14:55:23 <PatrickC> loonyshuttle: check that link, it does everything you need. and provides a nice map :)
Aug 06 14:56:43 <loonyshuttle> oh yeah! thanks
Aug 06 14:57:02 <PatrickC> np
Aug 06 14:59:11 <PatrickC> that requires a $1.99/month service though
Aug 06 15:00:50 <loonyshuttle> yes, i just saw it .... -.-
Aug 06 15:01:06 <loonyshuttle> maybe for the login homepage service
Aug 06 15:01:37 <PatrickC> free 1 week trial
Aug 06 15:01:54 <loonyshuttle> but mappingtool create tracking files maybe i can access it while it is running
Aug 06 15:02:34 <PatrickC> you can try
Aug 06 15:02:40 <PatrickC> idk if you can though
Aug 06 15:03:58 <loonyshuttle> me2 but now iknow how to reset the pixi ^^
Aug 06 15:09:59 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 15:10:02 <PatrickC> have to doctor?
Aug 06 15:14:43 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: hey!!
Aug 06 15:15:01 <thomaschaaf> Hey PatrickC are you a gamer?
Aug 06 15:15:07 <PatrickC> ys
Aug 06 15:15:09 <thomaschaaf> Working on a little weekend project
Aug 06 15:15:18 <PatrickC> I'm in :)
Aug 06 15:15:32 <thomaschaaf> Not related to webOS though
Aug 06 15:15:36 <PatrickC> porting Call Of Duty? :)
Aug 06 15:15:41 <PatrickC> what OS?
Aug 06 15:15:46 <thomaschaaf> no on demand game server
Aug 06 15:15:59 <PatrickC> really? for what kind of games?
Aug 06 15:16:06 <PatrickC> sounds interesting
Aug 06 15:16:15 <thomaschaaf> select the game pay 1 Euro (~1.50) per hour and connect with your friends
Aug 06 15:16:30 <thomaschaaf> it's prepaid with paypal
Aug 06 15:16:34 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 06 15:16:47 <thomaschaaf> all the valve games for now
Aug 06 15:17:00 * fxspec06 wipes the sweat and tears off his forehead
Aug 06 15:17:15 <thomaschaaf> left 4 dead and counter strike source etc
Aug 06 15:17:21 <PatrickC> fxspec06: what's up?
Aug 06 15:17:21 <thomaschaaf> fxspec06: what for?
Aug 06 15:17:26 <thomaschaaf> what have you been working on?
Aug 06 15:17:29 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: portal I assume?
Aug 06 15:17:41 <thomaschaaf> portal is not multiplayer as far as I know
Aug 06 15:17:46 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 15:17:49 <PatrickC> I thought it was
Aug 06 15:17:52 <thomaschaaf> at least I can't find a game server I can run
Aug 06 15:18:08 <fxspec06> i worked yesterday on a bunch of things... and i broke a couple things in the process. usually happens. well last night i was pretty upset.. and today i fixed
Aug 06 15:18:30 <PatrickC> you fixed it?
Aug 06 15:18:54 <fxspec06> ya. w/e it was it's fixed
Aug 06 15:19:18 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 06 15:19:31 <thomaschaaf> now I just need a cool name for what I am working on
Aug 06 15:19:34 <fxspec06> touchpad freezing and crashing
Aug 06 15:19:44 <thomaschaaf> almost done.. started friday night :)
Aug 06 15:19:47 <fxspec06> in emulator, not on device, then freezing.... ugh
Aug 06 15:19:56 <thomaschaaf> (it's saturday afternoon here)
Aug 06 15:20:03 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: GameServ
Aug 06 15:20:03 <fxspec06> thomaschaaf: i started this project in february
Aug 06 15:20:05 <fxspec06> ; )
Aug 06 15:20:15 <PatrickC> fxspec06: wild'n????
Aug 06 15:20:49 <fxspec06> what else would i be working on
Aug 06 15:21:02 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 15:21:12 <PatrickC> didn't know you have been working on it for 6 months
Aug 06 15:21:21 <fxspec06> yeah
Aug 06 15:21:55 <PatrickC> it *is* amazing :)
Aug 06 15:21:58 <fxspec06> it is
Aug 06 15:22:03 <fxspec06> but people don't know that
Aug 06 15:22:31 <PatrickC> get PC to review it
Aug 06 15:22:35 <PatrickC> and WOR
Aug 06 15:22:44 <fxspec06> WOOo i totally fixed it
Aug 06 15:22:50 <fxspec06> thank. f*****g god
Aug 06 15:22:58 <fxspec06> that says flipping* btw
Aug 06 15:23:05 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 15:23:22 <fxspec06> and wow! gameplay is truly more amazing than before
Aug 06 15:23:23 <PatrickC> I know some people at WOR, and could probably get a review for you :)
Aug 06 15:23:29 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC: domain is taken :(
Aug 06 15:23:29 <PatrickC> send!! :D
Aug 06 15:23:37 <fxspec06> psh no way
Aug 06 15:23:46 <fxspec06> still not ready
Aug 06 15:23:49 <fxspec06> still things to do
Aug 06 15:23:50 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 15:23:58 <PatrickC> thomaschaaf: GameServer?
Aug 06 15:24:13 <thomaschaaf> that one is obviously taken :D
Aug 06 15:24:37 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 15:24:38 <PatrickC> hmm...
Aug 06 15:24:51 <PatrickC> MultiMassServ? MultiServ?
Aug 06 15:26:47 <thomaschaaf> *remember never to ask PatrickC for names :P*
Aug 06 15:27:04 <PatrickC> haha :)
Aug 06 15:27:14 <thomaschaaf> heavenlygaming.com
Aug 06 15:27:39 <PatrickC> TBGS.com
Aug 06 15:27:49 <PatrickC> The Best Game Server
Aug 06 15:28:06 <thomaschaaf> hehe+
Aug 06 15:28:24 <thomaschaaf> instagameserver.com
Aug 06 15:28:37 <thomaschaaf> like instagram and instant coffee
Aug 06 15:28:40 <thomaschaaf> or something
Aug 06 15:30:30 <PatrickC> instagame.net
Aug 06 15:31:20 <fxspec06> i don't think there's any worse feeling than when your huge project you've been working on for months is crashing
Aug 06 15:43:14 <twbbas> I have 3 touchpads in my house right now
Aug 06 15:43:30 <thomaschaaf> twbbas: getting in my car right now
Aug 06 15:44:09 <twbbas> ok
Aug 06 15:44:12 <twbbas> I just got back from Staples
Aug 06 15:44:21 <twbbas> saved $400 :o
Aug 06 15:45:34 * fxspec06 bombs twbbas's house
Aug 06 15:45:45 <thomaschaaf> anyone know the problem where the pre keeps waking up?
Aug 06 15:45:50 <thomaschaaf> what can I do
Aug 06 15:45:59 <thomaschaaf> my device keeps turning the screen back on
Aug 06 15:45:59 <twbbas> thomaschaaf: Is an app doing it?
Aug 06 15:46:09 <fxspec06> thomaschaaf: sing it a lullaby
Aug 06 15:46:10 <thomaschaaf> it just goes to the lock screen
Aug 06 15:46:31 <twbbas> thomaschaaf: If an app is set to check for notifications or something at an interval then it may keep waking it up
Aug 06 15:46:39 <thomaschaaf> hmm
Aug 06 15:46:40 <thomaschaaf> k
Aug 06 15:46:40 <fxspec06> mode switcher
Aug 06 15:47:21 <thomaschaaf> let me see what a restart does :)
Aug 06 15:47:43 <fxspec06> also could be bad volume port, bad power button etc
Aug 06 15:47:49 <twbbas> Yeah, could be
Aug 06 15:50:10 <fxspec06> my feet are cold
Aug 06 15:50:31 <twbbas> go outside
Aug 06 15:50:34 <twbbas> it's too hot
Aug 06 15:52:40 <fxspec06> noooooooo lol
Aug 06 15:52:55 <fxspec06> my mom's basement is sooooo nice man
Aug 06 15:54:06 <fxspec06> (jp)
Aug 06 15:55:20 <akanster> hey guys, download this - https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.akanster.words
Aug 06 16:00:26 <ArtworkAD> this channel is not for advertising^^
Aug 06 16:00:44 <akanster> this guy must be new here ^^
Aug 06 16:00:55 <ArtworkAD> ^^
Aug 06 16:01:00 <akanster> ^^^
Aug 06 16:01:15 <akanster> win!
Aug 06 16:01:17 <ArtworkAD> however the app seems not very usefull
Aug 06 16:01:25 <akanster> meh, it's pretty basic
Aug 06 16:01:47 <ArtworkAD> but with a bit more graphics, a bit more love in graphics would make it good for fans
Aug 06 16:02:18 <akanster> someone else suggested that :)
Aug 06 16:02:52 <akanster> I'm working on an update.  I also have to change the icon
Aug 06 16:03:51 <ArtworkAD> I am new to webOS, my first app is in review queue, but what I know from iOS that many such apps like you did sell well for some weeks and most of them have simple text content, but some beautiful desing
Aug 06 16:03:53 <ArtworkAD> design
Aug 06 16:04:55 <twbbas> ArtworkAD: What's your app do?
Aug 06 16:05:00 <akanster> yeah my design abilities are piss poor :(
Aug 06 16:05:31 <ArtworkAD> do some photoshop tutorials ^^
Aug 06 16:05:44 <ArtworkAD> well actually its now my app I did it for a client
Aug 06 16:05:53 <ArtworkAD> its an alternative to send sms
Aug 06 16:06:15 <akanster> http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-TouchPad-9.7in-16GB-Wi-Fi-WebOS-Tablet/310336733970 - TouchPad for $350
Aug 06 16:06:16 <ArtworkAD> the client has an sms company and sells sms for 2 eurocent each
Aug 06 16:06:42 <twbbas> akanster: You can get it for $300 this weekend only if you Staples has one in stock
Aug 06 16:07:02 <ArtworkAD> touchpad looks great
Aug 06 16:07:20 <twbbas> ArtworkAD: It definitely is.
Aug 06 16:07:49 <fxspec06> heh. i think it's restart time when installing your new IPK doesn't update it. even though the version number is definitely larger
Aug 06 16:07:58 <twbbas> It could replace my computer completely once the TIDE and Netflix apps come out.
Aug 06 16:08:05 <fxspec06> oh oops. nvm. version number is SO not larger
Aug 06 16:08:13 <fxspec06> 0.1.1 is less than 0.9.9
Aug 06 16:08:17 * fxspec06 facepalm
Aug 06 16:08:26 <twbbas> however, I will still dev on my computer and write papers. That's pretty much all my computer has over the TouchPad.
Aug 06 16:08:39 <twbbas> fxspec06: naise
Aug 06 16:09:00 <fxspec06> chalk one more up for human stupidity
Aug 06 16:09:28 <twbbas> done.
Aug 06 16:12:57 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas, Tide is gonna work with latex
Aug 06 16:13:41 <twbbas> PuffTheMagic: What does that mean?
Aug 06 16:13:59 <PuffTheMagic> u dont know what LaTeX is?
Aug 06 16:14:06 <twbbas> never heard of it
Aug 06 16:14:15 <akanster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
Aug 06 16:14:28 <PuffTheMagic> thats the only thing u should ever write in
Aug 06 16:14:55 <twbbas> What advantage does it have over Word?
Aug 06 16:15:10 * PatrickC wanderd in
Aug 06 16:15:22 <twbbas> Yo PatrickC!
Aug 06 16:15:29 <PatrickC> hey twbbas !
Aug 06 16:15:29 <twbbas> Got your TouchPad yet?
Aug 06 16:15:37 <PatrickC> nope
Aug 06 16:15:40 <twbbas> aww
Aug 06 16:15:42 <twbbas> is it coming today?
Aug 06 16:15:45 <PatrickC> waiting on parents to ok the order
Aug 06 16:15:49 <twbbas> lame
Aug 06 16:15:51 <PuffTheMagic> twbbas, considering notepad is better than word, lots
Aug 06 16:15:52 <PatrickC> I have to use their CC.. :/
Aug 06 16:16:10 <twbbas> PatrickC: Gotcha. Just so you know, it's cheaper at Staples this weekend only vs dev device from HP
Aug 06 16:16:24 <PatrickC> twbbas: its less then 389 for the 32gb?
Aug 06 16:16:52 * fxspec06 kicks PatrickC in the jaw
Aug 06 16:17:04 <PatrickC> ow! what did I do?
Aug 06 16:17:33 <fxspec06> you're PatrickC
Aug 06 16:17:48 <fxspec06> you were being a PatrickC
Aug 06 16:17:51 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 16:17:56 <fxspec06> i won't tolerate that here
Aug 06 16:18:03 <PatrickC> isn't is 399? for the 32gb?
Aug 06 16:18:15 <twbbas> PatrickC: oh you got the loyalty discount
Aug 06 16:18:17 <twbbas> forgot about that
Aug 06 16:18:23 <twbbas> It's $400 @ Staples for the 32GB
Aug 06 16:18:25 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 06 16:18:32 <Ebonwumon> So I just got myself a touchpad and I'm excited to do some development on it, so I'm working through the documentation. On this page though, I don't really understand the example with the randomized timer: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/enyo/enyo-basics-kinds-components-controls.html
Aug 06 16:18:34 <PatrickC> eh, id save $10
Aug 06 16:18:42 <twbbas> Staples is out of stock both in store and online so I couldn't get the 16GB for $300
Aug 06 16:19:09 <Ebonwumon> The line that says "this.doTriggered();" What is it calling?
Aug 06 16:20:04 <fxspec06> LOL, out of stock
Aug 06 16:20:09 <fxspec06> "touchpad sucks!"
Aug 06 16:20:19 <fxspec06> "HP suicide pricing lower.."
Aug 06 16:20:24 <fxspec06> "DOA!"
Aug 06 16:20:26 * PatrickC kicks fxspec06 
Aug 06 16:20:52 <fxspec06> "Sorry, we're all out of HP TouchPad's right now. Would you like to try an iPad instead?"
Aug 06 16:21:06 <ArtworkAD> :D
Aug 06 16:21:18 <PatrickC> eww
Aug 06 16:22:19 <fxspec06> i know, eww. who wants an iPad
Aug 06 16:24:11 <PatrickC> http://patrickc.net/ haha
Aug 06 16:24:55 <ArtworkAD> ^^
Aug 06 16:25:07 <ArtworkAD> mine is worse http://artworkad.de/ :D
Aug 06 16:25:09 <PatrickC> not. my. site.
Aug 06 16:25:10 <PatrickC> :P
Aug 06 16:25:23 <akanster> PatrickC: how many domain names do you have/
Aug 06 16:25:29 <PatrickC> 1
Aug 06 16:25:36 <PatrickC> http://simpletutorials.org
Aug 06 16:26:30 <Ebonwumon> Oh man, if we're talking about badly coded sites we made, mine is http://depotwarehouse.net
Aug 06 16:27:08 <PatrickC> "Children confuse me" hahahah
Aug 06 16:28:13 <Ebonwumon> I remember a couple weeks ago I was working on transitioning it so it has one index page and loads all the different content via PHP ?page= variables.
Aug 06 16:28:18 <Ebonwumon> I only did about half of it though
Aug 06 16:28:32 <Ebonwumon> So randomly you'll be directed back to CSS-less, ugly pages xD
Aug 06 16:28:39 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 16:28:57 <Ebonwumon> And by "ugly" I mean "less painful to look at"
Aug 06 16:29:04 <Ebonwumon> =P
Aug 06 16:29:10 * PatrickC learned about if/elseif/else last night :)
Aug 06 16:30:16 <Ebonwumon> What language?
Aug 06 16:30:22 <fxspec06> if patrickc{pat.kill();} else if !patrickc {pat.find(); pat.kill();} else {pat.create(); pat.find(); pat.kill();};
Aug 06 16:31:03 <PatrickC> Ebonwumon: javascript
Aug 06 16:31:07 <PatrickC> fxspec06: very nice
Aug 06 16:31:19 <fxspec06> lol
Aug 06 16:31:21 <fxspec06> j/k
Aug 06 16:31:27 <PatrickC> lol I know
Aug 06 16:31:53 <PatrickC> twbbas: check twitter
Aug 06 16:31:53 <Ebonwumon> fxspec06, don't you need () around conditional statements?
Aug 06 16:32:01 <fxspec06> yeah but i'm too lazy
Aug 06 16:32:05 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 16:32:08 <fxspec06> i jus wantd to get the point across
Aug 06 16:32:22 <PatrickC> that you want me dead...?
Aug 06 16:32:25 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 16:32:25 <Ebonwumon> Yes, because typing code to get THAT point accross is in no way the antithesis of being lazy.
Aug 06 16:33:25 <fxspec06> no it's lazy
Aug 06 16:34:15 <Ebonwumon> Kay cool
Aug 06 16:34:34 * PatrickC brb
Aug 06 16:37:34 * PatrickC is back. slaps fxspec06 
Aug 06 16:38:58 <fxspec06> omg i think this is finally where i want it
Aug 06 16:39:06 <fxspec06> whewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Aug 06 16:40:25 <fxspec06> so HP hasn't fixed the submission problems yet?
Aug 06 16:44:07 <ArtworkAD> what prolem?
Aug 06 16:44:10 <ArtworkAD> problem
Aug 06 16:44:43 <fxspec06> the one where u have an app that works on 1.4.5, 2.1, and 3.0.2
Aug 06 16:44:59 <fxspec06> and submit and it not only takes weeks, but it only shows up in 3.x catalog
Aug 06 16:45:02 <PatrickC> anyone with a touchpad and box.net app?
Aug 06 16:45:15 <PatrickC> sugardave might know
Aug 06 16:46:21 <fxspec06> i really, really, really, REALLY would like to know.
Aug 06 16:46:36 <fxspec06> actually i would REALLY like it to be fixed
Aug 06 16:46:49 <fxspec06> really.
Aug 06 16:48:13 <PatrickC> I would really like the box.net appid
Aug 06 16:49:31 <fxspec06> twbbas-------- YT?
Aug 06 16:49:41 <PatrickC> YT?
Aug 06 16:50:40 <fxspec06> yt === you there
Aug 06 16:50:50 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 17:02:16 <Spanska> Does anyone recall the command I can use to see logs on a webOS device while they appear in the log files?
Aug 06 17:02:32 <PatrickC> palm-log com.appid
Aug 06 17:02:32 <PatrickC> ?
Aug 06 17:03:40 <Spanska> yes, thanks! :)
Aug 06 17:04:03 <Ebonwumon> Does anyone have a kindle ipk they'd like to give me so I can install in.
Aug 06 17:04:15 <PatrickC> use Impostah
Aug 06 17:04:15 * Ebonwumon is pretty annoyed that being in Canada means he can't read books =\
Aug 06 17:04:49 <ArtworkAD> where is palm inc, espacially the review team. located?
Aug 06 17:05:11 <PatrickC> Sunnyvle CA iirc
Aug 06 17:05:24 <ArtworkAD> k
Aug 06 17:06:35 <Spanska> Ebonwumon: have you seen the Pivot august issue so far?
Aug 06 17:18:32 <akanster> twbbas: did you get in on the staples deal?
Aug 06 17:31:08 <Ebonwumon> Spanska, yes I have, why?
Aug 06 17:37:06 <Spanska> Well, I'm in Canada too and I'm still seeing the July one :(
Aug 06 17:37:22 <Spanska> I don't remember how to see services logs :/
Aug 06 18:28:55 <Spanska> Oh well, I should have written that somewhere, only God knows where it is written in the documentation
Aug 06 18:29:54 <PuffTheMagic> i had to power off my TP
Aug 06 18:29:59 <PuffTheMagic> and then turn it back on to the the aug issue
Aug 06 18:32:50 <Spanska> I tried a restart, I'll try a complete power off then
Aug 06 18:38:41 <Spanska> still the July issue...
Aug 06 18:42:41 <Spanska> PuffTheMagic: would you remember what's the command line tool to see dbus messages? I'm trying to debug a service
Aug 06 18:46:40 <dwc-> dbus-monitor?
Aug 06 18:50:12 <Spanska> dbus-util and dbus-monitor are neither found on the emu or device
Aug 06 18:50:19 <Spanska> I think it's something like this though
Aug 06 19:02:04 * PatrickC wanders in
Aug 06 19:28:05 <dawm> nice
Aug 06 19:28:18 <dawm> got my donor pre- today.. 3days early
Aug 06 19:41:03 <twbbas> Having a 3.0.0 TP and a 3.0.2 TP side-by-side... I can definitely notice the speed difference
Aug 06 19:41:11 <twbbas> I couldn't before
Aug 06 19:47:14 <sugardave> DraX: getting closer...inception frmae doesn't work, but there's a nifty method called .setHTML() for iframes...so I'm trying to grab page soruce via AJAX and run .setHTML(null, response) on it....sort of works
Aug 06 19:52:25 <PatrickC> dawm: started the conversion yet?
Aug 06 19:59:09 <dawm> yeah
Aug 06 19:59:20 <dawm> but i forgot i need to keep the pre- backhalf
Aug 06 19:59:29 <dawm> and its pretty beat up and power switch doesnt move
Aug 06 20:01:14 <dawm> fudge
Aug 06 20:01:18 <PatrickC> is the pre2 a vzw?
Aug 06 20:01:18 <dawm> gps wires broke
Aug 06 20:01:21 <dawm> nah att
Aug 06 20:01:27 <PatrickC> ouch..
Aug 06 20:01:48 <dawm> i wonder if i could cut/solder
Aug 06 20:01:57 <PatrickC> possibly.. idk
Aug 06 20:02:18 * PatrickC <3's his new pre2 that thinks its a touchpad :)
Aug 06 20:04:39 <PatrickC> Tibfib_: ping?
Aug 06 20:05:42 <PatrickC> spaz is popular today!
Aug 06 20:09:56 <dawm> no you cant solder
Aug 06 20:10:00 <dawm> their like little coax ..
Aug 06 20:10:06 <dawm> too late
Aug 06 20:10:33 <dawm> but i found that the gsm wires arent hardwired, they're just longer
Aug 06 20:30:02 <dawm> sok the gps wires are hanging out
Aug 06 20:30:07 <dawm> but i can get the battery on
Aug 06 20:30:09 <dawm> :P
Aug 06 20:30:55 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 20:32:55 <dawm> backcover fits fine with the wires
Aug 06 20:32:57 <dawm> looks good
Aug 06 20:34:00 <dawm> except the very edge where the kb goes to the edge of the screen i cant get to clip
Aug 06 20:34:52 <dawm> lets see if gps works
Aug 06 20:34:55 <dawm> yep
Aug 06 20:37:22 <PatrickC> dawm: works?
Aug 06 20:37:30 <dawm> need to meta to find out
Aug 06 20:38:21 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 06 20:42:45 <HattCzech> dawm: i'm about to do the same with my pre
Aug 06 20:42:55 <HattCzech> i noticed the gsm gps wires were a bit longer
Aug 06 20:43:05 <HattCzech> so i haven't swapped the comm boards yet
Aug 06 20:45:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> SOLD to the man with the silly haircut for $200 off!
Aug 06 20:45:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> WINNAR
Aug 06 20:46:11 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: what'd you sell????
Aug 06 20:46:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bought another 32GB touchpad
Aug 06 20:46:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for $200 off at Staples
Aug 06 20:46:35 <IGNTNUNLMTD> effin' STEAL
Aug 06 20:48:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> time to watch ALMS
Aug 06 20:48:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> woop woop
Aug 06 20:48:48 <PatrickC> I'll take it
Aug 06 20:49:06 <PatrickC> you have 2, twbbas has 3, I HAVE NONE!
Aug 06 20:49:07 <PatrickC> :P
Aug 06 20:49:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this second one is for my Mom's birthday
Aug 06 20:49:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> she's wanted one to go with her Pixi Plus since I got mine
Aug 06 20:49:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :-P
Aug 06 20:50:06 <twbbas> 1 is loaner, 1 is for my brother, and 1 is for me
Aug 06 20:50:09 <twbbas> I got 2 today at Staples
Aug 06 20:50:31 <twbbas> I wanted the 16GB version but it's sold out in EVERY STAPLES in the country. Even online
Aug 06 20:50:41 <twbbas> I was gonna have the store ship it
Aug 06 20:50:50 <twbbas> the dude went down the list of every US store
Aug 06 20:51:31 <PatrickC> twbbas: buy me a 32GB, I'll give you $350, and you ship it for free because you are nice :)
Aug 06 20:51:53 <twbbas> uhhh
Aug 06 20:51:57 <twbbas> it costs $400 at Staples
Aug 06 20:51:58 <twbbas> >.>
Aug 06 20:52:04 <PatrickC> I know :P
Aug 06 20:52:07 <twbbas> So I'd be paying $424 with tax + shipping
Aug 06 20:52:21 <twbbas> want me to throw in a case/touchstone/keyboard or all 3?
Aug 06 20:52:22 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 06 20:52:23 <dwc-> I thnk that's where teh buttering up comes in
Aug 06 20:52:28 <PatrickC> all 3 please
Aug 06 20:52:40 <twbbas> ok
Aug 06 20:52:44 <twbbas> I'll package it up in a little bow
Aug 06 20:52:46 <PatrickC> all because you are awesome! :)
Aug 06 20:52:57 <twbbas> I'll also load up my app on there too
Aug 06 20:53:04 <PatrickC> cool! thanks!
Aug 06 20:53:50 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I still need a good deal on the case/keyboard/stone setup
Aug 06 20:54:05 <twbbas> Staples had 15% off accessories when you buy the touchpad
Aug 06 20:54:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> SERIOUSLY?
Aug 06 20:54:18 <twbbas> I've found Amazon to be the cheapest though
Aug 06 20:54:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh
Aug 06 20:54:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good
Aug 06 20:54:27 <twbbas> yep, your guy didn't tell you though?
Aug 06 20:54:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 06 20:54:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nope
Aug 06 20:54:33 <twbbas> The case was $50 there
Aug 06 20:54:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ...the case is always 50
Aug 06 20:54:40 <twbbas> I got one for my brother... only saved $9.50
Aug 06 20:54:48 <twbbas> Amazon has it for like $35 right?
Aug 06 20:55:10 <twbbas> $41.95
Aug 06 20:55:12 <twbbas> on amazon
Aug 06 20:55:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah well, I have until a few days befoer the 21st to get that stuff
Aug 06 20:56:06 <twbbas> I kinda like the touchpad naked
Aug 06 20:56:10 <twbbas> a lot thinner
Aug 06 20:56:24 <PuffTheMagic> the cover dont make it much thicker
Aug 06 20:56:36 <twbbas> not much
Aug 06 20:56:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> agreed... I like the case
Aug 06 20:56:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and my mom absolutely needs one
Aug 06 20:56:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if she's gonna throw that shit in her purse all the time
Aug 06 20:57:01 <twbbas> oh yeah, I definitely need mine
Aug 06 20:57:06 <twbbas> mine's gonna be in my backpack a lot
Aug 06 20:57:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
Aug 06 20:57:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> replacing my laptop
Aug 06 20:57:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> for class
Aug 06 20:57:23 <twbbas> eh, I'm hoping mine can do that
Aug 06 20:57:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TIDE will ne SO useful for comp sci
Aug 06 20:57:49 <twbbas> ehhhh
Aug 06 20:57:55 <twbbas> I don't know about that for me
Aug 06 20:58:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> are you a CS major?
Aug 06 20:58:04 <twbbas> my comp sci prof likes to use visual studio
Aug 06 20:58:09 <twbbas> CE but I take CS classes
Aug 06 20:58:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, mine is all Python and C this year
Aug 06 20:58:18 <twbbas> going into CS 2 this fall
Aug 06 20:58:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what year are you?
Aug 06 20:58:30 <twbbas> oh my univ only does C# for CS 1 and 2
Aug 06 20:58:34 <twbbas> going into 2nd year
Aug 06 20:58:35 <twbbas> you?
Aug 06 20:58:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 3rd
Aug 06 20:58:54 <twbbas> can you run code from TIDE?
Aug 06 20:59:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no, I meant for taking notes
Aug 06 20:59:11 <twbbas> yeah, thought so
Aug 06 20:59:25 <twbbas> we have computers in my classroom
Aug 06 20:59:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> in CS, my notes are always actual commented pieces of code
Aug 06 20:59:31 <twbbas> I think I may just use that with a flash drive
Aug 06 20:59:37 <twbbas> ah
Aug 06 20:59:40 <dwc-> I wish tablets weren't $2000+ when I was in school
Aug 06 20:59:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 06 20:59:50 <twbbas> I like to handwrite lol
Aug 06 20:59:52 <dwc-> marking up pdf lecture notes would have been great
Aug 06 20:59:55 * twbbas is old-fashioned
Aug 06 21:00:36 <twbbas> but my TP will def replace my laptop when I'm sitting around in between classes
Aug 06 21:00:45 <twbbas> I can code a little or check my email/fb/twitter etc
Aug 06 21:01:12 <twbbas> if I need to do any hardcore writing for papers and such I can just hit the computer lab
Aug 06 21:01:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> my computer is going to stay in my room running OS X Server
Aug 06 21:01:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> laptop, that is
Aug 06 21:01:43 <twbbas> lol
Aug 06 21:02:00 <twbbas> the only disadvantage for me bringing my TP to school is there's no wifi in dorm...
Aug 06 21:02:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> shit, really?
Aug 06 21:02:08 <twbbas> well, not the rooms
Aug 06 21:02:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's harsh
Aug 06 21:02:13 <twbbas> I can go to the common areas
Aug 06 21:02:19 <twbbas> and we're not allowed to set up our own routers
Aug 06 21:02:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> neither are we
Aug 06 21:02:29 <twbbas> I think I'll just tether when I need to use it or something
Aug 06 21:02:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but I'm going to anyway
Aug 06 21:02:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and hide the network
Aug 06 21:02:47 <twbbas> hmm, forgot I could do that
Aug 06 21:02:55 <dwc-> "hide" the network :p
Aug 06 21:02:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, hide it from showing up
Aug 06 21:03:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> make it so you have to type it in to appear
Aug 06 21:03:05 <twbbas> is there any way to detect it?
Aug 06 21:03:07 <twbbas> ya
Aug 06 21:03:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, easily
Aug 06 21:03:12 <dwc-> yes. any wifi card in monitor mode
Aug 06 21:03:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if you know what you're looking for
Aug 06 21:03:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but from the general populace, no
Aug 06 21:03:31 <twbbas> eh
Aug 06 21:03:33 <dwc-> any of those AP sniffers will find it
Aug 06 21:03:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah
Aug 06 21:03:37 <IGNTNUNLMTD> true
Aug 06 21:03:38 <twbbas> idk =\ I don't want to get caught
Aug 06 21:03:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> not worried about that in my dorm
Aug 06 21:03:44 <rrix> generally the people who are setting those rules will have the ability to find the networks
Aug 06 21:03:50 <twbbas> yeah
Aug 06 21:04:03 <dwc-> when you turn off "broadcasts" you're not turning off "broadcasts" ... you're just omitting the SSID from the broadcast
Aug 06 21:04:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, but not in the furthest dorm from the ITS dept
Aug 06 21:04:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> exactly
Aug 06 21:04:15 <twbbas> dwc-: Yep
Aug 06 21:04:41 <twbbas> I like to use my TP before I go to sleep and when I wake up
Aug 06 21:04:44 <twbbas> I may just tether then =\
Aug 06 21:05:06 <twbbas> has anyone got bluetooth tethering working Pre -> TP?
Aug 06 21:05:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wifi sharing from computer could work too!
Aug 06 21:05:44 <twbbas> that's still detectable right?
Aug 06 21:05:52 <twbbas> but I could turn it on/off
Aug 06 21:05:54 <twbbas> hmm
Aug 06 21:05:59 <dwc-> yes it's detectable
Aug 06 21:06:00 <twbbas> good idea
Aug 06 21:06:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah but I'm not sure it counts as "your own network"
Aug 06 21:06:05 <twbbas> yeah
Aug 06 21:06:07 <twbbas> I'll have to read the fine print
Aug 06 21:06:10 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you'd have to check the actual terms
Aug 06 21:06:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> haha yeah
Aug 06 21:06:35 <twbbas> that'd be handy
Aug 06 21:06:35 <PatrickC> what's up?
Aug 06 21:06:40 <twbbas> hey PatrickC
Aug 06 21:07:00 <twbbas> PatrickC: When you get your TouchPad, first thing you need to do is download my app :)
Aug 06 21:07:00 * PatrickC wasn't keeping up, and doesn't want to read the backlog
Aug 06 21:07:06 <PatrickC> SUMMARY TIME! :)
Aug 06 21:07:15 <twbbas> we were just talking about wifi in dorms
Aug 06 21:07:16 <PatrickC> lol, is it free? :)
Aug 06 21:07:18 <twbbas> yep
Aug 06 21:07:20 <twbbas> with IAP
Aug 06 21:07:30 <dwc-> tl;dr patrickc is buying us free stuff
Aug 06 21:07:31 <PatrickC> your app is free?
Aug 06 21:07:47 <twbbas> PatrickC: Yep with IAP
Aug 06 21:07:49 <PatrickC> yep, I'm buying you all the Box.net app for the touchpad!
Aug 06 21:07:51 <PatrickC> IAP?
Aug 06 21:07:58 <twbbas> in-app purchase
Aug 06 21:08:01 <IGNTNUNLMTD> tl;dr PatrickC is buying me my 312th TouchPad
Aug 06 21:08:13 <twbbas> 32 free levels with 80 (currently) available for purchase but soon to be like 200 available
Aug 06 21:08:55 <dawm> so franekpre owners
Aug 06 21:08:56 <PatrickC> twbbas: do I get a free review version? :)
Aug 06 21:09:10 <dawm> which imei do i use?
Aug 06 21:09:16 <dawm> the one from the radio board donor?
Aug 06 21:09:19 <twbbas> PatrickC: I would if I had promo codes for IAPs
Aug 06 21:09:26 <dawm> or the one from the transplantee
Aug 06 21:09:37 <PatrickC> dawm: did you activate the pre *before* you swapped the radio board?
Aug 06 21:09:57 <dawm> no was always doctored
Aug 06 21:10:17 <PatrickC> the comms board has to be activated *before* being placed into the pre2
Aug 06 21:10:27 <dwc-> if there's multiple IMEI, both must be be GSM, so I think it shoulnd't be problemeatic?
Aug 06 21:10:39 <dwc-> (re: activation)
Aug 06 21:11:01 <dawm> the pre i got the radio board from was used, its been activated before but currently doesnt have service
Aug 06 21:11:22 <PatrickC> it needs to be activated on your plan before the swap
Aug 06 21:11:41 <twbbas> :o just T2Sed between 2 TPs
Aug 06 21:11:42 <dawm> dont think you're understanding me
Aug 06 21:12:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> twbbas: ?!?
Aug 06 21:12:14 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: They have to "kiss"
Aug 06 21:12:18 <twbbas> front-to-front
Aug 06 21:12:20 <dawm> i need to know if im to use the imei from the board, or from the phone
Aug 06 21:12:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol, awkward
Aug 06 21:12:30 <twbbas> lol ya
Aug 06 21:12:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> can you actually send stuff though?
Aug 06 21:12:41 <dwc-> missionaries
Aug 06 21:12:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
Aug 06 21:12:48 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hahahah
Aug 06 21:12:54 <twbbas> wow lol
Aug 06 21:13:29 <twbbas> weird, I can't share the same browser page twice in a row
Aug 06 21:13:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> bug or smart?
Aug 06 21:13:44 <twbbas> dunno
Aug 06 21:13:49 <twbbas> T2S is neato!
Aug 06 21:13:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I WANT A PRE 3
Aug 06 21:13:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 06 21:14:00 <twbbas> ME TOO
Aug 06 21:14:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> launch day
Aug 06 21:14:06 <dwc-> neato! without the spam possibility!
Aug 06 21:14:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's mine
Aug 06 21:14:21 * twbbas didn't mean neato! as in the app ;) but I guess it is too!
Aug 06 21:14:38 <IGNTNUNLMTD> spam possibility?
Aug 06 21:14:38 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: when it comes on Sprint, it's mine
Aug 06 21:14:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> don't hold your breath
Aug 06 21:14:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you're probably better of sendin sprint to the grave
Aug 06 21:15:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> off*
Aug 06 21:15:12 <dwc-> IGNTNUNLMTD: anyone can go to the url that neato! gives you to set up your browser with the bookmarklet
Aug 06 21:15:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> right
Aug 06 21:15:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I know
Aug 06 21:15:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it's a pretty big security hole
Aug 06 21:15:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> earlier this summer I sent something REALLY important
Aug 06 21:15:42 <dwc-> well, just spam, really
Aug 06 21:15:51 <IGNTNUNLMTD> without knowing how insecure it was
Aug 06 21:16:08 <dwc-> and someone else read it?
Aug 06 21:16:15 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: how important? :)
Aug 06 21:16:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> OMFG $50 IN APPS TO EARLY ADOPTERS
Aug 06 21:16:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> !!!!!1
Aug 06 21:16:40 <dwc-> it's secure like... email.
Aug 06 21:17:53 <PatrickC> twbbas: you get $150 for apps :D
Aug 06 21:18:20 <twbbas> lol what
Aug 06 21:18:35 <HattCzech> $50 in apps?
Aug 06 21:18:45 <PatrickC> $50 app catalog gift card for early touchpad buyers
Aug 06 21:18:49 <PatrickC> check precentral
Aug 06 21:18:50 <twbbas> where do I get that
Aug 06 21:18:52 <steffen--> are there even enough apps to spend 50$?
Aug 06 21:18:53 <HattCzech> link?
Aug 06 21:19:00 <twbbas> did  that come out today?
Aug 06 21:19:12 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/hp-give-touchpad-early-adopters-50-apps
Aug 06 21:19:18 <PatrickC> ywp
Aug 06 21:19:19 <PatrickC> yep*
Aug 06 21:19:35 <twbbas> I haven't checked my feeds since thursday
Aug 06 21:19:36 <twbbas> been busy
Aug 06 21:19:51 <HattCzech> if you bought it before aug 4th
Aug 06 21:19:58 <twbbas> awwww
Aug 06 21:20:02 <twbbas> I bought 2 TPs today
Aug 06 21:20:05 <twbbas> 6th :(
Aug 06 21:20:30 <javispedro> has anyone tried porting mupen64plus to the webos?
Aug 06 21:20:39 <HattCzech> it's for the people that aren't getting the awesome discount :)
Aug 06 21:20:56 <PatrickC> javispedro: what language is it written in?
Aug 06 21:20:58 <twbbas> I wonder if I'll get the email since I set up my account on my loaner
Aug 06 21:21:36 <javispedro> PatrickC: C++
Aug 06 21:21:48 <dwc-> yea, that's what we should have all done, signed our palm profiles into touchpads at the stores :p
Aug 06 21:21:49 <HattCzech> and just ordered my 16gb touchpad
Aug 06 21:21:52 <PatrickC> javispedro: shouldn't be too hard then
Aug 06 21:21:53 <HattCzech> $350 seems reasonable
Aug 06 21:22:02 <twbbas> HattCzech: Where from?
Aug 06 21:22:17 <PatrickC> javispedro: shouldn't be too hard then
Aug 06 21:22:25 <HattCzech> http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-TouchPad-9.7in-16GB-Wi-Fi-WebOS-Tablet/310336733970?_trksid=p1468660.m2000036
Aug 06 21:22:27 <PatrickC> oops.. sorry, double
Aug 06 21:22:43 <twbbas> HattCzech: Oh. Staples was selling them for $300 this weeked but they are completely sold out
Aug 06 21:22:49 <twbbas> online and in every US store
Aug 06 21:22:51 <HattCzech> exactly
Aug 06 21:22:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> steffen--: Nice try on the troll, but there are more TouchPad apps than Honeycomb apps.
Aug 06 21:23:03 <twbbas> lol
Aug 06 21:23:08 <HattCzech> but the 32gb would still be $425 after tax for me
Aug 06 21:23:11 <javispedro> PatrickC: it is a bit hard, but doable, which is why I wonder if someone had started
Aug 06 21:23:17 <HattCzech> so i figured $350 was fine
Aug 06 21:23:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I got one for $425 today
Aug 06 21:23:32 <twbbas> HattCzech: Yeah. I had to go for the 32GB at staples today
Aug 06 21:23:35 <twbbas> =\
Aug 06 21:23:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no 16s at yours either?
Aug 06 21:23:49 <twbbas> Office Depot had 16's in stock but got an email from corporate telling them not to honor the coupon
Aug 06 21:23:54 <HattCzech> nope, nowhere
Aug 06 21:24:07 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: My sales rep looked in every US store and saw they were all sold out and online
Aug 06 21:24:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
Aug 06 21:24:12 <HattCzech> yeah, office max and depot said they wouldn't honor the staples coupon in my area
Aug 06 21:24:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
Aug 06 21:24:18 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
Aug 06 21:24:25 <twbbas> I was like... you guys honored it yesterday!
Aug 06 21:24:28 <HattCzech> and i can wait a few days
Aug 06 21:24:31 <twbbas> and Staples is honoring it!
Aug 06 21:24:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Best Buy also got a phonecall from corporate
Aug 06 21:24:44 <twbbas> lol
Aug 06 21:24:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> telling them not to match Staples no matter what
Aug 06 21:24:56 <dwc-> if you're getting in on good deals with pricematches and coupons
Aug 06 21:25:00 <dwc-> you gotta get them the first day
Aug 06 21:25:05 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and I was like, "Your loss, bud... I'm driving 10 minutes further to Staples."
Aug 06 21:25:07 <HattCzech> yup
Aug 06 21:25:26 <twbbas> lol
Aug 06 21:25:30 <HattCzech> i tried yesterday, but no 16gb, and i on't really need the 32gb
Aug 06 21:25:34 <HattCzech> don't*
Aug 06 21:25:39 <twbbas> I heard best buy is selling touchpad for $300 with purchase of a Veer for $0 on 2 yr contract
Aug 06 21:26:02 <dwc-> IGNTNUNLMTD: depending on their wholesale cost, they might not be losing
Aug 06 21:26:07 <HattCzech> psssh, but then i'd have to get at&t and pay out the ass
Aug 06 21:26:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> hah, true
Aug 06 21:26:14 * PatrickC shakes fist at google
Aug 06 21:26:35 <dwc-> I assume they'll get paid by HP for the HP part, but they might be eating the staples coupon cost
Aug 06 21:26:51 <dkirker> twbbas: I am pretty mad at OfficeDepot. Their website clearly states that they will honor competitors coupons...
Aug 06 21:26:59 <twbbas> ya I told them that
Aug 06 21:27:00 <twbbas> >.>
Aug 06 21:27:05 <dkirker> The OD in Sunnyvale refused. So I left.
Aug 06 21:27:09 <twbbas> they first thought I was talking about the $100 off one from last week on any tablet
Aug 06 21:27:19 <PuffTheMagic> i screwed OD on really nice glass desk
Aug 06 21:27:20 <twbbas> that one exclude the touchpad
Aug 06 21:27:30 <PuffTheMagic> they didnt want to honor a competitor coupon
Aug 06 21:27:32 <PuffTheMagic> but i got them too
Aug 06 21:27:37 * dwc- makes a note not to sit on puff's desk
Aug 06 21:27:40 <dkirker> Went to the Staples in Campbell. ALMOST got a 16GB TouchPad near 9pm, then the Staples website went down for maintenance ....
Aug 06 21:28:00 <twbbas> lol wow
Aug 06 21:28:29 <dkirker> Then they were sold out before Staples even opened... (Can't choose in-store payment when not on the Staples retail network.)
Aug 06 21:28:48 <twbbas> dang
Aug 06 21:28:58 <dkirker> Ended up at Fry's across the street. Paid $399. :/
Aug 06 21:29:08 <twbbas> shoulda just got the 32 for same price
Aug 06 21:29:22 <dkirker> Yeah, Staples was 100% out.
Aug 06 21:29:26 <twbbas> oh wow
Aug 06 21:29:30 <dkirker> Guy said they sold out in the first 2 hours.
Aug 06 21:29:36 <twbbas> no staples around me are out of 32s
Aug 06 21:29:47 <twbbas> hot seller!
Aug 06 21:29:52 <twbbas> This is GREAT :D
Aug 06 21:29:54 <dkirker> This is Silicon Valley, though. B-)
Aug 06 21:29:58 <twbbas> oh yeah, lol
Aug 06 21:30:03 <twbbas> I'm here in michigan
Aug 06 21:30:08 <dkirker> It's ok, though. Extra TouchPad for the new apartment (when I move).
Aug 06 21:30:14 <twbbas> suburb of the not so thriving city of Detroit
Aug 06 21:31:44 <dkirker> I did get to meet the (new) HP sales rep at Fry's. :)
Aug 06 21:31:55 <dkirker> Demo'ed webOS to him. We talked a while.
Aug 06 21:36:34 <PatrickC> hey dkirker
Aug 06 21:36:41 <dkirker> hi PatrickC
Aug 06 21:36:57 <PatrickC> universe coming ok?
Aug 06 21:37:40 <dkirker> had to take a bit of a break
Aug 06 21:37:44 <dkirker> for various reasons
Aug 06 21:38:08 <dawm> stupid xcode, having to redownload it so i can install macports so i can meta-doctor
Aug 06 21:40:57 <Spanska> stupid service
Aug 06 21:47:26 <Spanska> Is there any way to output text to console with Foundations?
Aug 06 21:48:44 <PatrickC> the box.net app is confusing.. I don't see where it initialized the first scene in index.html...
Aug 06 21:49:18 <dawm> they sure used a lot of glue in a pre
Aug 06 21:49:54 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 22:29:20 <Spanska> What could prevent logs created by console.log from showing up in /var/log/messages?
Aug 06 22:32:05 <PuffTheMagic> patches that muffle logging
Aug 06 22:32:27 <Spanska> I just found a post about console.log not outputting in syslog.. woah
Aug 06 22:34:27 <Spanska> oh yeah, the fix in the post works :D
Aug 06 22:34:34 <Spanska> that should help debugging
Aug 06 22:36:22 <NuttyBunny> There, just found the perfect place to code at gf's place, I just need where to put the mouse... her desktop is... well... full of girl stuff
Aug 06 22:37:10 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 22:37:35 <Shadyman> NuttyBunny: Ffffffuuuuu---
Aug 06 22:37:37 <PatrickC> anyone use ymail?
Aug 06 22:37:53 <NuttyBunny> I use gmail
Aug 06 22:37:59 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: I had my pre2 reporting as a TouchPad with 3.0.2 for a while :)
Aug 06 22:38:14 <PatrickC> I use gmail too, just trying out other email providers
Aug 06 22:38:45 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: ymail/ytalk doesn't like me, always asking me for my password "again" when I switch from 3g to wifi or I lose connection
Aug 06 22:39:27 <PatrickC> ymail seems to hate me too
Aug 06 22:40:35 <PuffTheMagic> scroll bar works in Tide now :D
Aug 06 22:41:06 <PatrickC> cool! :D
Aug 06 22:42:14 * dwc- has no problems with ymail
Aug 06 22:42:22 * dwc- occasionally has google decide to reject auth though
Aug 06 22:42:32 <PatrickC> dwc-: it won't validate my settings for email
Aug 06 22:42:46 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: nice icon btw
Aug 06 22:42:52 <dwc-> I just have the defaults
Aug 06 22:42:58 <Loudergood> yeah google bounces me occasionally
Aug 06 22:43:00 <PatrickC> dwc-: wouldn't work for me
Aug 06 22:43:07 <PatrickC> google bounces me too
Aug 06 22:43:16 <PatrickC> I'm waiting for duckduckgo to get email set up
Aug 06 22:43:36 <dwc-> maybe it's just your setup :)
Aug 06 22:43:45 <PatrickC> probably :)
Aug 06 22:43:46 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: but, in times of cloud9 ide, is there a real market for that (no on develops locally on his touchpad)?
Aug 06 22:44:00 <leiru> *one
Aug 06 22:44:25 <dwc-> so what's duckduckgo's thing going to be? we promise we won't read your email? and we'll delete your email after a week to protect your privacy?
Aug 06 22:45:20 <PatrickC> idk
Aug 06 22:45:36 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, well first off, cloud9 ide doesnt even work on the TP from what i hear
Aug 06 22:45:39 <PatrickC> I'm gonna work with them (along side LoneStar) to make an app for webOS
Aug 06 22:45:53 <PuffTheMagic> 2nd, no one could edit locally on their touchpad with out a tool to do so
Aug 06 22:46:09 <PuffTheMagic> so saying that no one does that because they have no way to is a stupid argument
Aug 06 22:46:24 <leiru> sure.
Aug 06 22:46:27 <NuttyBunny> oh man, I seriously want the neighbor's internet at my home... 5mbps... quite an improvement over the 1mbps I have ;)
Aug 06 22:46:28 <PuffTheMagic> 3rd, why would i pay for storage on cloud9 when i could use dropbox,box.net
Aug 06 22:46:50 <dwc-> you just need xemacs for webos
Aug 06 22:46:51 <leiru> okay, theres a remote integration.
Aug 06 22:47:03 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Aug 06 22:47:07 <dwc-> ... after someone figures out which key should be meta and shift and left alt and control
Aug 06 22:47:24 <leiru> i just thought about writing maybe c# on my touchpad and then have to transfer it to my pc for testing it
Aug 06 22:47:50 <leiru> that would be very unuseful.
Aug 06 22:48:20 <leiru> => by usb calbe
Aug 06 22:48:22 <PuffTheMagic> which is why im gonna tie into what every storage synergy providers exist
Aug 06 22:48:29 <leiru> => by usb cable
Aug 06 22:48:35 <PuffTheMagic> s/what every/whatever/
Aug 06 22:48:39 <leiru> okay.
Aug 06 22:49:27 <leiru> hmmm
Aug 06 22:50:45 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, tide is very young so if you have ideas of how you would like to use a editor on your touchpad i would be interested in hearing them
Aug 06 22:55:24 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: i dream of it as a lightweight editor that is driven by a touchpad keyboard. i think the bottleneck is the integration to other services (servers, pre, tocuhpad) for development&testing
Aug 06 22:55:51 <NuttyBunny> neighbors turned off their ap... well, it was fun :)
Aug 06 22:56:02 <leiru> it would be awesome, if i could write apps on my touchpad, and install test it on the same device with a button
Aug 06 22:56:17 <leiru> (packaging the ipk and installing it on the device where i wrote the code)
Aug 06 22:56:27 <leiru> that would be really really awesome
Aug 06 22:56:29 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, bottleneck how so?
Aug 06 22:56:34 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, thats already on the todo list
Aug 06 22:56:43 <NuttyBunny> leiru: PatrickC  is helping with that
Aug 06 22:56:47 <leiru> but as i know as coder, this dreams are hard to realize often
Aug 06 22:57:12 <PuffTheMagic> NuttyBunny, no he isnt
Aug 06 22:57:15 <PuffTheMagic> he is doing his own thing
Aug 06 22:57:23 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: huh?
Aug 06 22:57:43 <PatrickC> I'm going to (soon, hopefully) write a node.js plugin for it
Aug 06 22:58:04 <PuffTheMagic> you gonna make a plugin before i even make a plugin api?
Aug 06 22:58:18 <PatrickC> its just regular node.js
Aug 06 22:58:25 <PatrickC> why would I need an api
Aug 06 22:58:29 <PuffTheMagic> u said plugin
Aug 06 22:58:33 <PuffTheMagic> plugins need apis
Aug 06 22:58:38 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: "bottleneck" - the side of the editor which is most hardly realised and needs the most attention
Aug 06 22:58:44 <leiru> problematic maybe
Aug 06 22:58:56 * NuttyBunny sits on the couch... popcorn anyone?
Aug 06 22:59:08 <PatrickC> sorry, I'm going to use node.js to make it make a dir, and files
Aug 06 22:59:20 <leiru> NuttyBunny: i'll take the beer.
Aug 06 22:59:22 <PatrickC> and then a button to luna-rescan to make the app install
Aug 06 22:59:33 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, thats not even the important part of the palm-* tools
Aug 06 22:59:37 <NuttyBunny> leiru, serve yourself :)
Aug 06 22:59:39 <PuffTheMagic> you started with the least important one
Aug 06 22:59:45 <leiru> NuttyBunny: i will! :D
Aug 06 22:59:55 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic: the important one is palm-generate, is it not?
Aug 06 23:00:02 <PuffTheMagic> lol no
Aug 06 23:00:10 <PuffTheMagic> i'v never used that
Aug 06 23:00:20 <PuffTheMagic> i use palm-package/palm-install every day
Aug 06 23:00:29 <PatrickC> you don't need palm-package or palm-install
Aug 06 23:00:46 <PatrickC> the files/folder will be generated in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
Aug 06 23:00:47 <dwc-> you don't need either. just use 'make' and copy the files over your old ones :P
Aug 06 23:00:49 <Shadyman> palm-package com.foo && palm-install com.foo.ipk && palm-launch com.foo
Aug 06 23:00:51 <PuffTheMagic> no need for a services that makes a folder and some stub files
Aug 06 23:01:07 <PuffTheMagic> that saves all of 3 seconds
Aug 06 23:01:07 <PatrickC> all you need is to generate the files in said foldera
Aug 06 23:01:13 <PatrickC> nd luna scan
Aug 06 23:01:28 <Shadyman> foldera!
Aug 06 23:01:36 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 06 23:01:38 <PatrickC> foldera
Aug 06 23:01:47 * Shadyman pictures a linux distro named that
Aug 06 23:01:57 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 23:01:59 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: i wanted to say with bottleneck: if the IDE does not sync to services /servers or it isnt useful for developing on the device (let's say it just can edit local files and nothing more) it will not get satisfaction by users.
Aug 06 23:02:00 <PatrickC> Folderah
Aug 06 23:02:09 <Shadyman> actually, I'm totally making a file browser named foldera.
Aug 06 23:02:17 <PatrickC> Folderah!
Aug 06 23:02:23 <PatrickC> you need the "h"
Aug 06 23:02:24 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 06 23:02:28 <Shadyman> but!
Aug 06 23:02:37 <leiru> i think the syncing / integration part is at this app the most important thing.
Aug 06 23:02:41 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, support for box.net/dropobx is easy since ithey are provided by synergy and i can use the pdf/office app as an exampel for that
Aug 06 23:02:45 <PatrickC> no buts, only "h"s :P
Aug 06 23:02:49 <PuffTheMagic> ftp support will be a little harder
Aug 06 23:02:55 <PuffTheMagic> someone should make a synergy provider for ftp
Aug 06 23:03:02 <Shadyman> oo
Aug 06 23:03:18 <PuffTheMagic> and webdav
Aug 06 23:03:19 <Shadyman> but synergy connecting what? contacts?
Aug 06 23:03:25 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: sounds cool. i just wanted to drop my thoughts
Aug 06 23:03:28 <PuffTheMagic> noradtux, not contacts
Aug 06 23:03:35 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, your thoughts are in line with ym vision alredy
Aug 06 23:03:49 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, have u tried Tide yet?
Aug 06 23:04:03 * PatrickC is gonna try Chrome OS
Aug 06 23:04:03 <NuttyBunny> Foldera? Reminded me of Thundera... Thundercats FTW!!!
Aug 06 23:04:08 <PuffTheMagic> Shadyman, synergy is more than just contacts
Aug 06 23:04:27 <Shadyman> contacts, pictures, files in general?
Aug 06 23:04:28 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: Folderah!
Aug 06 23:04:30 <PatrickC> :)
Aug 06 23:04:40 <PuffTheMagic> its a central hub for lots of cloud services that provide "stuff"
Aug 06 23:04:49 <Shadyman> Oo.  I like stuff.
Aug 06 23:04:58 <NuttyBunny> Folderah, sounds like a webOS Internals file manager ;)
Aug 06 23:05:15 <Shadyman> That and I wear an HP shirt while selling these tablet things so I should know this >_<
Aug 06 23:05:19 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: yes, yesterday. but it didn't worked properly. could not make a new file (tried alot) and it crashed often.
Aug 06 23:05:33 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, crashed?
Aug 06 23:05:47 <PuffTheMagic> the version in the feed?
Aug 06 23:06:03 <leiru> didn't respond after i think i had choosed "preferences"
Aug 06 23:06:09 <PuffTheMagic> :/ i have never seen it crash
Aug 06 23:06:09 <leiru> latest, wosi testing
Aug 06 23:06:12 <Shadyman> gogo retail saaaaales
Aug 06 23:06:30 <leiru> (18, the last one yesterday in the list)
Aug 06 23:06:53 <PuffTheMagic> well i pushed a version of 18 that didnt work
Aug 06 23:07:11 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, did the editor show up with the changelog loaded?
Aug 06 23:07:17 <leiru> nope
Aug 06 23:07:19 <PuffTheMagic> or was it gray
Aug 06 23:07:40 <leiru> wether gray or changelog
Aug 06 23:07:46 <leiru> whats the working version?
Aug 06 23:07:51 <PuffTheMagic> 18-3
Aug 06 23:08:05 <leiru> will try it!
Aug 06 23:08:16 <PuffTheMagic> there is probably an update in preware
Aug 06 23:08:39 <Shadyman> Ooh. Does webOS 3.0.x support HTML5 WebSockets?
Aug 06 23:09:02 <Shadyman> one way to find out, I guess.
Aug 06 23:09:07 <Shadyman> Emulator, I choose you!
Aug 06 23:09:45 <leiru> who, that one looks promising!
Aug 06 23:09:59 <leiru> no, i download the ipk manually and install it by myself
Aug 06 23:10:15 <Shadyman> fwiw, /me doesn't actually work *for* HP.. just representing them at the retail store level
Aug 06 23:10:37 <dawm|laptop> i so do not want to take apart my pre
Aug 06 23:10:41 * PatrickC spots a /me fail :)
Aug 06 23:10:50 <Shadyman> PatrickC: Intentional emotefail
Aug 06 23:10:53 <PatrickC> dawm: didn't you already?
Aug 06 23:10:56 <dawm|laptop> im happy i spent $20 on a junker from ebay to practice on
Aug 06 23:10:57 <Shadyman> I totally used /me in a sentence ;)
Aug 06 23:11:05 <PatrickC> international emotefail?
Aug 06 23:11:10 <Shadyman> Seriously.
Aug 06 23:11:15 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: you should set the font to 16 or 18px.
Aug 06 23:11:20 <PatrickC> :) is nationally recognised
Aug 06 23:11:25 <dawm|laptop> anyone using mIRC ?
Aug 06 23:11:29 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, you can change that in the prefs
Aug 06 23:11:31 <PuffTheMagic> mIRC LOL
Aug 06 23:11:53 <Shadyman> can anyone verify on a real touchpad please? I don't trust the emulator farther than I can throw it. http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/order-book ... does it connect and start streaming numbers?
Aug 06 23:13:03 <PatrickC> how far can you the emulator?
Aug 06 23:13:06 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 23:13:09 <Shadyman> Not very far :(
Aug 06 23:13:12 <Shadyman> just across the screen.
Aug 06 23:13:20 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 06 23:13:22 <Shadyman> hence my level of trust for it.
Aug 06 23:13:35 <PatrickC> unless you have multiple screens, then you could throw it pretty far
Aug 06 23:14:18 <Shadyman> assuming windows are weighted
Aug 06 23:14:19 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: wow. the quotes are doubled every time, they shouldn't if there are some (1) at the end of the string. but, great work!
Aug 06 23:14:35 <leiru> wrote my first hello world function in javascript highlightening with TIDE
Aug 06 23:14:46 <dawm|laptop> the detergent?
Aug 06 23:14:50 <dawm|laptop> wow thats skills
Aug 06 23:14:52 <Shadyman> must be some white code.
Aug 06 23:14:56 <PuffTheMagic> quaotes are doubled?
Aug 06 23:15:01 <PuffTheMagic> quotes
Aug 06 23:15:03 <dawm|laptop> "
Aug 06 23:15:17 <leiru> yes, this ones
Aug 06 23:15:17 <leiru> "
Aug 06 23:15:28 <Shadyman> I don't see an enyo call for websockets.. wonder if I can just call plain ol' HTML5
Aug 06 23:15:37 <dawm|laptop> most people refer to them as quotes and ' as single quotes
Aug 06 23:15:54 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, idk what you are talking about
Aug 06 23:16:01 <leiru> hrm
Aug 06 23:16:07 <PuffTheMagic> what are you doing?
Aug 06 23:16:26 <leiru> theres a automagically invoked mechanism. if i write " always two of them spawn
Aug 06 23:16:42 <dawm|laptop> me too
Aug 06 23:16:44 <dawm|laptop> "see"
Aug 06 23:16:50 <dawm|laptop> but i pushed the " button so
Aug 06 23:16:57 <dawm|laptop> what about ``
Aug 06 23:17:11 <PuffTheMagic> dawm|laptop, stfu you are not helping here
Aug 06 23:17:19 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, u using a bt keyboard"
Aug 06 23:17:21 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Aug 06 23:17:27 <leiru> but if i forget them at the beginning of the string. and did make them at the end (where they where doubled too), they are doubled at the beginning even if theres given an ending
Aug 06 23:17:30 <dawm|laptop> start the fan unit?
Aug 06 23:17:44 <leiru> no, screen keyboard
Aug 06 23:17:49 <dawm|laptop> wtf
Aug 06 23:18:07 <dawm|laptop> as much as i like webosinternals.. defaulting to the webosinternals logo for boot upsets me
Aug 06 23:18:21 <PuffTheMagic> dont use our metadoctor then
Aug 06 23:18:50 <Lumiere> or change the boot logo
Aug 06 23:18:52 <dawm|laptop> if i was prompted i might have considered using it
Aug 06 23:19:05 <kesne> How the hell do 141 transactions fail?
Aug 06 23:19:14 <Shadyman> kesne: Very carefully.
Aug 06 23:19:20 <PuffTheMagic> kesne, stop you bitching
Aug 06 23:19:25 <PuffTheMagic> we dont care how many sales u got
Aug 06 23:19:35 <kesne> 141 less than I should have.
Aug 06 23:19:36 <kesne> Haha
Aug 06 23:20:18 <leiru> maybe they are succeeding the next day?
Aug 06 23:20:34 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, dont feed the troll
Aug 06 23:20:45 <kesne> Haha
Aug 06 23:20:48 <kesne> But no, they aren't.
Aug 06 23:20:49 <PuffTheMagic> he only comes in here once a year to brag about his sales
Aug 06 23:20:53 <kesne> Haha
Aug 06 23:20:54 <kesne> I do not!
Aug 06 23:20:57 <kesne> I get help, too
Aug 06 23:21:01 <kesne> And help people
Aug 06 23:21:09 <kesne> Okay, that last one is a stretch.
Aug 06 23:22:14 <NuttyBunny> showoff ;)
Aug 06 23:22:33 * NuttyBunny has ZERO failed transactions!!! :D
Aug 06 23:22:51 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, so when u press " u get "" or when u press ' u get " or press ' and get '' ?
Aug 06 23:22:53 <NuttyBunny> Of course, I also have zero completed transactions, it's hard to make money with free apps ;)
Aug 06 23:23:16 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: sounds like a rap song
Aug 06 23:23:23 <leiru> PuffTheMagic: i just know that if i am pressing " i get always ""
Aug 06 23:23:28 <leiru> but i could test the others
Aug 06 23:25:01 <leiru> single quotes aren't doubled every time (')
Aug 06 23:26:57 <leiru> whew, there seems to happen a party with screaming laughing girls (maybe naked) on the streets
Aug 06 23:27:05 <leiru> should join them with my touchpad!
Aug 06 23:27:35 <leiru> ;)
Aug 06 23:36:08 <PuffTheMagic> leiru, 0.0.19 pushed to feed
Aug 06 23:36:15 <PuffTheMagic> should have an update in preware in 15-30 min
Aug 06 23:40:26 <kesne> Free apps sell like candy
Aug 06 23:40:48 <NuttyBunny> am I really that bad at coding??? Why enyo doesn't like me? :@  I said hidden!!!
Aug 06 23:40:57 <kesne> Haha
Aug 06 23:41:34 <NuttyBunny> this.$.something.hasNode; this.$.something.node.hidden=true; <-- why is it so hard to understand? stupid webkit
Aug 06 23:42:09 <NuttyBunny> yeah, I used hasNode()
Aug 06 23:42:37 <kesne> Just use setShowing(false);
Aug 06 23:43:10 * NuttyBunny tries
Aug 06 23:44:22 <NuttyBunny> ah, genius, thanks :)
Aug 06 23:54:43 * PatrickC walks in
Aug 06 23:56:48 <haeffb> "maybe naked" ?
Aug 06 23:58:39 <NuttyBunny> Ok, seems like I fixed the funky "sometimes it doesn't recognizes the taps" in photofun :D
Aug 06 23:58:40 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 00:00:18 <dawm|laptop> ugh
Aug 07 00:00:21 <dawm|laptop> so im doing it..
Aug 07 00:00:48 <dawm|laptop> my personal pre has no radio
Aug 07 00:02:25 <dawm|laptop> strange
Aug 07 00:02:33 <dawm|laptop> i have voicemail on the pre2?
Aug 07 00:02:38 <dawm|laptop> it has a unknown radio in it
Aug 07 00:02:45 <dawm|laptop> 6 mesages
Aug 07 00:03:44 <PuffTheMagic> my pre2 still gets voicemails alters
Aug 07 00:03:49 <PatrickC> cool?
Aug 07 00:03:53 <PuffTheMagic> and it was only activated for 10 min a year ago
Aug 07 00:05:36 <dawm|laptop> lets see how this goes
Aug 07 00:05:43 <dawm|laptop> shutting down and putting in my radio
Aug 07 00:09:27 <DMThomas> Hi. I just got a TouchPad and have a question. Is the back of it supposed to be kinda flexible? Like if I press on it, it pushes in a little and makes a snappy noise like it's touching some adhesive and then coming back.
Aug 07 00:14:53 <dawm|laptop> back together and booting.. crosses fingers
Aug 07 00:16:44 <dawm|laptop> works for calls
Aug 07 00:19:25 <dawm|laptop> wifi works
Aug 07 00:19:44 <dawm|laptop> i have no Sprint in the corner, cannot get evdo connection
Aug 07 00:20:15 <dawm|laptop> nvm there it goes
Aug 07 00:20:34 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 07 00:20:56 <dawm|laptop> i need to get my profile on here tho
Aug 07 00:21:23 <dawm|laptop> should i doctor again? and enable activation instead of bypass?
Aug 07 00:21:48 <PatrickC> probably?
Aug 07 00:21:50 <PatrickC> not sure
Aug 07 00:24:13 <dawm|laptop> wtf
Aug 07 00:24:15 <dawm|laptop> error
Aug 07 00:24:23 <dawm|laptop> invalid romtoken build variant
Aug 07 00:24:44 <PatrickC> #webos-internals could probably help
Aug 07 00:31:38 <PatrickC> 25 minutes left!
Aug 07 00:32:12 <NuttyBunny> battery?
Aug 07 00:35:17 <fxspec06> lmao
Aug 07 00:35:22 <fxspec06> my game has backdrop support now.
Aug 07 00:35:28 <fxspec06> lol it's funny
Aug 07 00:35:30 <fxspec06> and cool
Aug 07 00:35:35 <PatrickC> cool
Aug 07 00:35:41 <fxspec06> it feels like a super awesome win98 solitare game
Aug 07 00:35:45 <fxspec06> but like, way better
Aug 07 00:35:55 <PatrickC> hah
Aug 07 00:36:10 <fxspec06> only 1 background for now
Aug 07 00:36:13 <fxspec06> right now*
Aug 07 00:38:21 <fxspec06> lol it's soo cool
Aug 07 00:38:33 <fxspec06> i should take a pic of this theme
Aug 07 00:39:45 <dawm|pre> ugh can't text, it locks
Aug 07 00:39:55 <dawm|pre> gotta redoctor
Aug 07 00:44:34 <fxspec06> only problem is, my game size is going to increase the shznit
Aug 07 00:44:35 <PatrickC> fxspec06: screenshot :)
Aug 07 00:45:05 <fxspec06> but i don't see how that's a problem, really.
Aug 07 00:47:06 <PatrickC> hey Jake_M
Aug 07 00:47:09 <Jake_M> yo
Aug 07 00:47:31 <fxspec06> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/gtunit/photos-temp-1jpg-21.jpg
Aug 07 00:47:40 <PatrickC> 15 minutes!
Aug 07 00:47:47 <fxspec06> first of many new backgrounds
Aug 07 00:47:51 <PatrickC> fxspec06: beast!
Aug 07 00:48:03 <fxspec06> u can select them in the new 'themes' option, which replaced cards
Aug 07 00:48:13 <fxspec06> cards selector is now in 'themes', along with 'backdrops'
Aug 07 00:48:27 <fxspec06> and that cardback fits the backdrop perfectly
Aug 07 00:48:56 <fxspec06> i think it's hilariously awesome
Aug 07 00:53:02 <Jake_M> OMG
Aug 07 00:53:21 <fxspec06> omg what
Aug 07 00:53:22 <Jake_M> okay idk if anyone was here last night but i doctored my phone like 7 times because it said that my kernel wasn't in default state even though i installed palm default
Aug 07 00:53:30 <Jake_M> etc
Aug 07 00:53:46 <Jake_M> i tried installing uberkernel last night and it didnt work, nothings changed, no reboots or anything since last night
Aug 07 00:53:46 <fxspec06> it's OIL's fault
Aug 07 00:53:48 <Jake_M> it just installed
Aug 07 00:53:49 <Jake_M> fuckin oil
Aug 07 00:54:18 <oil> :/
Aug 07 00:54:19 <Jake_M> oh yeah and last night a patch wouldn't install even though i hadn't installed any patches..it was only a framework too
Aug 07 00:54:30 <Jake_M> i love oil
Aug 07 00:55:02 <fxspec06> weird phones
Aug 07 01:05:26 <dawm|laptop> ugh now its pretty much locked up because they think its a great idea to downlaod all my apps at once
Aug 07 01:07:28 <PatrickC> dawm|laptop: go into the software manager
Aug 07 01:07:33 <PatrickC> in the appmenu
Aug 07 01:07:40 <PatrickC> there is a "Pause All Downloads"
Aug 07 01:09:11 <dawm|laptop> easier said than done
Aug 07 01:09:18 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 01:17:05 <PatrickC> 6 minutes :)
Aug 07 01:18:50 <dawm|laptop> ....
Aug 07 01:19:19 <PuffTheMagic> oil, you get shit on constantly
Aug 07 01:19:19 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 07 01:20:05 <oil> yeah :/
Aug 07 01:22:14 <rwhitby> yeah, anyone who uses the blame oil thing these days should really take a good hard look at themselves.
Aug 07 01:22:25 <rwhitby> seriously.
Aug 07 01:23:01 * PatrickC remembers to not use that anymore
Aug 07 01:32:17 <dawm|laptop> i dont know..
Aug 07 01:32:21 <dawm|laptop> i keep crashing this shit
Aug 07 01:32:23 <dawm|laptop> fuck
Aug 07 01:33:49 <Deihmos> anyone has a touchpad? how long does it take quickoffice to open?
Aug 07 01:37:22 <twbbas> Deihmos: 4 1/2 flashes
Aug 07 01:37:36 <PatrickC> twbbas: haha
Aug 07 01:37:47 <PatrickC> 4 ½ :)
Aug 07 01:37:56 <Deihmos> i find it took really long. i was messing with it in the store
Aug 07 01:38:24 <twbbas> I had Spaz HD open only
Aug 07 01:39:24 <dawm> ugh
Aug 07 01:39:32 <dawm> im gonna have to piece together my old pre-
Aug 07 01:39:35 <dawm> use it as a charger
Aug 07 01:39:48 <dawm> ive got 3 extra batteries not including the pixi
Aug 07 01:39:54 <dawm> and an extra touchstone back
Aug 07 01:40:12 <dawm> and i found another wall plug/usbcord in the pre2 box
Aug 07 01:40:15 <dawm> AND
Aug 07 01:40:23 <dawm> ive got 2 touchstones in WI
Aug 07 01:41:27 <twbbas> heh
Aug 07 01:41:51 <twbbas> during school when I'm gone most of the day I had to use extra batteries
Aug 07 01:41:58 <twbbas> I'd pack 1 in my wallet
Aug 07 01:42:08 <twbbas> dev devices make great chargers :)
Aug 07 01:42:26 <dawm> with the new gf i need an extra battery
Aug 07 01:42:36 <dawm> im about 6000 txts over my usual average
Aug 07 01:42:43 <twbbas> lol!
Aug 07 01:42:50 <dawm> i thought facebook had exhibition
Aug 07 01:43:04 <twbbas> did you update it?
Aug 07 01:43:09 <dawm> yes
Aug 07 01:43:19 <twbbas> did you add it in settings
Aug 07 01:43:22 <Shadyman1> there's an exhibition mode for facebook photos
Aug 07 01:43:25 <twbbas> exhibition settings
Aug 07 01:44:11 <dawm> nope
Aug 07 01:44:22 <twbbas> there you go
Aug 07 01:44:39 <dawm> same ole shitty fb app
Aug 07 01:45:06 <twbbas> :\
Aug 07 01:47:20 <NuttyBunny> dawm: go to the exhibition app, enable exhibition for fb there :P
Aug 07 01:47:32 <dawm> not there
Aug 07 01:47:37 <dawm> are you blind
Aug 07 01:47:52 <dawm> time, photos, agenda thats it
Aug 07 01:48:19 <Shadyman1> facebook app installed?
Aug 07 01:48:33 <dawm> durr.. no.. of course
Aug 07 01:48:41 <twbbas> mine works =\
Aug 07 01:48:50 <NuttyBunny> mine too
Aug 07 01:48:54 <dawm> 1.5.0 in catalog
Aug 07 01:48:56 <NuttyBunny> uninstall it, reinstall ir
Aug 07 01:49:02 <dawm> 1.5.0 on phone
Aug 07 01:49:16 <NuttyBunny> that's not the latest
Aug 07 01:49:20 <dawm> uhh this phone was empty 20mins ago
Aug 07 01:49:24 <twbbas> I have 1.5.61
Aug 07 01:49:30 <NuttyBunny> 1.5.61
Aug 07 01:49:31 <dawm> then its the appcat
Aug 07 01:49:44 <twbbas> what country?
Aug 07 01:50:02 <dawm> america
Aug 07 01:50:06 <twbbas> same
Aug 07 01:50:20 <dawm> it was pulled
Aug 07 01:51:31 <twbbas> yep
Aug 07 01:51:35 <twbbas> my catalog is showing 1.5.0
Aug 07 01:51:39 <dawm> somethign about 1.4.5 ppl couldnt get it
Aug 07 01:51:46 <dawm> guess they need to make a 2.x version
Aug 07 01:51:56 <twbbas> =\
Aug 07 01:52:03 <twbbas> welp
Aug 07 01:52:08 <twbbas> who's gonna tip the news sites
Aug 07 01:52:59 <twbbas> PuffTheMagic: TIDE is in the testing feeds?!?!
Aug 07 01:53:02 * twbbas gets on that
Aug 07 01:55:57 <PuffTheMagic> ya but wait for 0.0.19-1 to hit the feed
Aug 07 01:56:04 <twbbas> aww why?
Aug 07 01:56:08 <PuffTheMagic> the scroll bar tht i added doesnt do anything :(
Aug 07 01:56:13 <PuffTheMagic> by accident
Aug 07 01:56:18 <twbbas> lol
Aug 07 01:56:37 <PuffTheMagic> this is what happens when you have 4 sub gitmodules/repos in 1 main repo
Aug 07 01:56:42 <PuffTheMagic> hard to keep track of shit
Aug 07 01:56:51 <twbbas> PuffTheMagic: Is it in the webOS-internals testing feed or a separate one?
Aug 07 01:56:58 <PuffTheMagic> yes
Aug 07 01:57:08 <twbbas> hmm and it's called TIDE?
Aug 07 01:57:23 <twbbas> oops found it
Aug 07 01:57:25 <twbbas> TouchPad IDE
Aug 07 01:57:43 <PuffTheMagic> u can install the version that is there
Aug 07 01:57:49 <twbbas> I like the new "Development" category
Aug 07 01:57:50 <PuffTheMagic> but an update will be out in a few min
Aug 07 01:57:54 <twbbas> ok
Aug 07 01:57:56 <twbbas> thanks
Aug 07 01:58:54 <twbbas> this is friggin' sweet
Aug 07 02:00:03 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Aug 07 02:00:32 * PatrickC wishes he could feel the love
Aug 07 02:00:45 <twbbas> Your Radio is friggin' sweet!
Aug 07 02:00:57 <twbbas> all that chatting with Villo!
Aug 07 02:01:27 <PatrickC> you on?
Aug 07 02:01:37 <twbbas> no
Aug 07 02:01:55 <PatrickC> I'm going to work States/Settings/Storage next
Aug 07 02:02:05 <PatrickC> but I need further documentation
Aug 07 02:02:27 <PatrickC> the fat-app is in the box.net folder, you should have gotten an email with the link
Aug 07 02:02:45 <kesne> Villoooooo <3
Aug 07 02:02:55 <PatrickC> kesne!!!!!
Aug 07 02:02:55 * twbbas can't wait to add Villo this his game
Aug 07 02:03:10 <PatrickC> twbbas: kesne is one of the dev of villo ;)
Aug 07 02:03:11 * kesne can't wait for twbbas to add Villo into his game.
Aug 07 02:03:33 <PatrickC> kesne: let me know when the new docs are ready :D
Aug 07 02:03:40 <twbbas> PatrickC: I know ;)
Aug 07 02:03:41 <PatrickC> I can't wait to add app states!
Aug 07 02:03:57 <twbbas> I've been following him on Twitter for like... too long :p
Aug 07 02:04:11 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 07 02:04:11 <kesne> I'm one of the devs of villo, THE dev of villo!
Aug 07 02:04:20 <PatrickC> srsly? cool!
Aug 07 02:04:56 <kesne> twbbas: What's your twitter handle?
Aug 07 02:05:23 <twbbas> kesne: @TheTylerBayne for personal and @Zone303 for my app st00f
Aug 07 02:05:57 <twbbas> wtf my tPad just opened like 10 browser cards
Aug 07 02:06:05 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 02:06:07 <twbbas> I clicked on a link in one of @webosinternals' tweets
Aug 07 02:06:09 <kesne> Oh!
Aug 07 02:06:10 <twbbas> VIRUS
Aug 07 02:06:12 <kesne> Alright
Aug 07 02:06:39 <twbbas> ironically, it was to the Preware Homebrew Docs page on the dev.palm site
Aug 07 02:06:58 <twbbas> interesting how it only stacks 3 browsers together at a time
Aug 07 02:07:37 * PatrickC has had 5 or more
Aug 07 02:08:15 <twbbas> well I mean when I opened 10 at once
Aug 07 02:08:21 <twbbas> like it auto only did 3 at most
Aug 07 02:08:23 <twbbas> or something
Aug 07 02:08:27 <PatrickC> ah
Aug 07 02:08:37 <twbbas> I don't think I tapped 10 times >.>
Aug 07 02:08:51 <PuffTheMagic> ya the card/stack system is pretty stupid
Aug 07 02:08:58 <PuffTheMagic> does not allow you to define a parent stack
Aug 07 02:09:03 <PuffTheMagic> same issue happens in wirc
Aug 07 02:09:22 <twbbas> I can confirm that clicking on @webosinternals' tweet about Gonah being updated opens around 10 browser cards
Aug 07 02:09:28 <twbbas> I just reproduced it with a single tap
Aug 07 02:09:29 <PuffTheMagic> no way to keep them all together unless u switch back to the main card before u spawn each card
Aug 07 02:09:36 <twbbas> weird
Aug 07 02:10:17 <PuffTheMagic> not weird, just lame
Aug 07 02:10:50 <twbbas> that too
Aug 07 02:12:45 <kesne> ./jodoc ../core/*.js ../utils/*.js LICENSE.mdown ABOUT.mdown --output html --toc TOC_SAMPLE.mdown --markdown /Users/jordan/Markdown.pl --template template.html
Aug 07 02:12:47 <kesne> er
Aug 07 02:12:48 <kesne> Damn
Aug 07 02:12:51 <kesne> Wrong window
Aug 07 02:12:54 <kesne> Ignore that
Aug 07 02:13:04 <Muhb> :D
Aug 07 02:14:00 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 02:14:03 <PatrickC> Adora!!!
Aug 07 02:14:20 <twbbas> lol got retweeted by rod
Aug 07 02:16:40 <PatrickC> cool!
Aug 07 02:17:48 <kesne> Adora is here!?!?!?!
Aug 07 02:17:54 <PatrickC> yep
Aug 07 02:17:59 <Adora> no
Aug 07 02:18:10 <Adora> =]
Aug 07 02:18:11 <PatrickC> aww
Aug 07 02:18:16 <PatrickC> we love Adora though
Aug 07 02:18:27 <PatrickC> she gives us special things for free
Aug 07 02:18:58 <twbbas> like what
Aug 07 02:19:10 <Adora> like your mom
Aug 07 02:19:16 <twbbas> oh man
Aug 07 02:19:20 <twbbas> so that makes you my Grandma?
Aug 07 02:19:21 <PatrickC> idk
Aug 07 02:19:22 <PatrickC> hoping to butter her up for a bigger discount :)
Aug 07 02:19:22 <twbbas> O.o
Aug 07 02:19:28 <PatrickC> ewww
Aug 07 02:19:39 <PatrickC> hey grandma Adora
Aug 07 02:19:43 * PatrickC hides
Aug 07 02:19:52 <twbbas> lol
Aug 07 02:19:53 <kesne> <3
Aug 07 02:20:15 <kesne> GrandmaAdora: Did you review my app?
Aug 07 02:20:25 <GrandmaAdora> no
Aug 07 02:20:30 <twbbas> saw that coming
Aug 07 02:20:34 <GrandmaAdora> I think adam did
Aug 07 02:20:44 <twbbas> GrandmaAdora is too busy playing bingo
Aug 07 02:21:56 <twbbas> Hey GrandmaAdora, you'll like my pic :) http://twitpic.com/61xeyp
Aug 07 02:22:34 <PuffTheMagic> thats disturbing
Aug 07 02:22:39 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 02:23:01 <PatrickC> flare576: leave before its too late :P
Aug 07 02:23:11 * twbbas looks at time. "It is too late"
Aug 07 02:23:33 <PatrickC> ohwell
Aug 07 02:23:34 <flare576> ./leave oh god!
Aug 07 02:23:39 <PatrickC> flare576: welcome to the club
Aug 07 02:24:07 <dwc-> I think adora probably has that many, if not more
Aug 07 02:24:14 <dwc-> how is that going to scare her
Aug 07 02:24:24 <IGNTNUNLMTD> <VerucaSalt> twbbas has two! I want another one! </VerucaSalt>
Aug 07 02:24:28 <flare576> I have no idea what I got myself into... story of my life.
Aug 07 02:24:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> er
Aug 07 02:24:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> three
Aug 07 02:24:54 <twbbas> IGNTNUNLMTD: 1 I as loaner, 1 is for my brother, and 1 is mine
Aug 07 02:25:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I know, I'm messin' :-)
Aug 07 02:25:10 <twbbas> Couldn't pass up the $200 off sale today since it's cheaper than dev device from HP
Aug 07 02:25:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> same
Aug 07 02:25:15 <twbbas> =\
Aug 07 02:25:26 <twbbas> I wanted a 16GB
Aug 07 02:25:36 <twbbas> but sold out IN EVERY STAPLES IN THE COUNTRY
Aug 07 02:25:40 <Shadyman1> ^^^
Aug 07 02:25:46 <twbbas> and their warehouses
Aug 07 02:25:49 <twbbas> >.>
Aug 07 02:25:54 <twbbas> couldn't even order online
Aug 07 02:26:30 <Shadyman1> well, that's good for the webos ecosystem in general
Aug 07 02:26:38 <flare576> twbbas: I was actually told in my area Staples just wasn't carrying it
Aug 07 02:26:45 <twbbas> Shadyman1: and good for me as a developer too
Aug 07 02:26:48 * PatrickC wishes his app was already out
Aug 07 02:26:52 <twbbas> flare576: I had 1 or 2 stores not carrying it
Aug 07 02:26:59 <PatrickC> this $50 for early adopters would be nice for me
Aug 07 02:27:14 <twbbas> Does anyone know if that applies to IAPs?
Aug 07 02:27:40 <PatrickC> no clue
Aug 07 02:27:50 * twbbas hopes it does for sake of a few extra bucks
Aug 07 02:28:04 <PatrickC> twbbas: you should make a "lite" version so people can try out the app without buying
Aug 07 02:28:10 <PatrickC> include 1-2 maps
Aug 07 02:28:14 <twbbas> that's what I have :)
Aug 07 02:28:22 <PatrickC> ah cool! :)
Aug 07 02:28:22 <twbbas> 32 free levels available with soon to be 200 paid levels
Aug 07 02:28:27 <PatrickC> wow
Aug 07 02:28:29 <twbbas> and more coming monthly
Aug 07 02:28:41 <twbbas> just gotta figure out this IAP sitch
Aug 07 02:29:12 <flare576> twbbas: sorry to have to ask, what app are you behind?
Aug 07 02:29:25 <PatrickC> Differences
Aug 07 02:29:32 <twbbas> flare576: heh, it's fine. My brothers and I made Differences which is our first TouchPad app
Aug 07 02:29:32 * PatrickC beat twbbas... YES! :P
Aug 07 02:29:52 <twbbas> You can't currently buy the extra levels unfortunately...
Aug 07 02:30:08 <twbbas> there was a glitch on HP's server until the middle of July
Aug 07 02:30:17 <twbbas> and then we decided to just wait until we fix a few bugs in our app
Aug 07 02:30:39 <twbbas> plus add new level packs and other cool stuff
Aug 07 02:30:52 <flare576> zone303?
Aug 07 02:30:55 <twbbas> Yep
Aug 07 02:31:21 <flare576> grabbing it :)
Aug 07 02:31:32 <twbbas> flare576: sweet. Thanks! Do you have any apps in the catalog right now?
Aug 07 02:32:04 <flare576> nope, not a dev, just a nerd ;)
Aug 07 02:32:09 <twbbas> haha
Aug 07 02:32:18 <twbbas> do you plan on dev'ing at some point?
Aug 07 02:32:27 <PatrickC> you should flare576
Aug 07 02:32:36 <twbbas> it's a great hobby
Aug 07 02:32:36 * PatrickC is a 15 yr old dev
Aug 07 02:33:26 <flare576> work keeps my coding brain too occupied :(
Aug 07 02:33:39 <twbbas> eh, that's a shame
Aug 07 02:34:00 <flare576> though, if I get a good idea... I'd likely find time ;)
Aug 07 02:34:12 <twbbas> haha
Aug 07 02:34:25 <twbbas> I find it weird how other people have such a hard time finding ideas for apps
Aug 07 02:34:31 <twbbas> it seems like I have too many ideas =\
Aug 07 02:34:36 <NuttyBunny> share
Aug 07 02:34:37 <NuttyBunny> :P
Aug 07 02:34:37 * PatrickC won't be taking Eloquent tonight...
Aug 07 02:34:42 <PatrickC> twbbas: I know
Aug 07 02:34:43 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: NO! Mine!
Aug 07 02:34:56 <PatrickC> NuttyBunny: go back to your carrot! l
Aug 07 02:35:07 <PatrickC> GrandmaAdora is punishing you!
Aug 07 02:35:09 <twbbas> We have some pretty intense apps planned for later  this year
Aug 07 02:35:15 <NuttyBunny> twbbas, you won't get enhanced photofun :P
Aug 07 02:35:19 <PatrickC> twbbas: let me in? :)
Aug 07 02:35:25 <dwc-> make us a working google voice client
Aug 07 02:35:31 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: aww. What's enhanced do? Make me look less fat :)
Aug 07 02:35:38 <flare576> creativity can be finicky, and self-doubt makes it  rough
Aug 07 02:35:42 <twbbas> PatrickC: shh it's a secret
Aug 07 02:35:45 <dwc-> and a google+ app
Aug 07 02:35:48 * PatrickC shares awesome app idea with NuttyBunny 
Aug 07 02:35:51 <dwc-> and a shazam app
Aug 07 02:35:51 <PatrickC> twbbas: pm :P
Aug 07 02:35:58 <twbbas> flare576: Ah. Gotcha. I guess it's easier to come up with ideas when I know I'll have 2 brothers to back me up
Aug 07 02:36:00 <PatrickC> and a messaging app!
Aug 07 02:36:17 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes, shazam and messaging app..
Aug 07 02:36:23 <twbbas> 1 does all the images and such and the other one helps code
Aug 07 02:36:27 * PatrickC comes up with ideas, gets code from IRC, throws it together, and out comes an app
Aug 07 02:36:36 <NuttyBunny> lol
Aug 07 02:36:40 <flare576> lol
Aug 07 02:36:44 <PatrickC> my only brother is 7.. not much help lol
Aug 07 02:37:00 <NuttyBunny> I just pictured PatrickC eating code and ... "releasing" an app
Aug 07 02:37:09 <PatrickC> bahaha
Aug 07 02:37:10 <twbbas> wow
Aug 07 02:37:13 <twbbas> bad picture in my head
Aug 07 02:37:16 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 07 02:37:16 <twbbas> stop it NuttyBunny
Aug 07 02:37:26 <PatrickC> GrandmaAdora: punish NuttyBunny
Aug 07 02:37:33 <PatrickC> he's being bad
Aug 07 02:37:34 <NuttyBunny> PacPat
Aug 07 02:37:35 <flare576> reddit had a post like that... "make a new account called 'PRETTYGRL' and ask for help on code forums..."
Aug 07 02:37:35 <akanster> Chocolate Apps!
Aug 07 02:37:44 <twbbas> flare576: Haha I saw that!!!
Aug 07 02:37:53 <PatrickC> flare576: haha didn't see that
Aug 07 02:38:44 <twbbas> Hmm, what would be worse... The Pre 3 coming out after end of summer or the T2S Api coming out after the Pre 3 is released?
Aug 07 02:38:50 <twbbas> or both? O.o
Aug 07 02:38:50 <NuttyBunny> GrandmaAdora: PatrickC is lying!
Aug 07 02:39:15 <PatrickC> twbbas: tts is out
Aug 07 02:39:24 <twbbas> not the API?
Aug 07 02:39:26 <NuttyBunny> The T2S API's are out
Aug 07 02:39:31 <twbbas> :o
Aug 07 02:39:34 * twbbas missed that
Aug 07 02:39:42 <twbbas> but no devices to handle it besides 2 TouchPads, right?
Aug 07 02:39:53 <NuttyBunny> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/touch2share.html
Aug 07 02:40:07 <NuttyBunny> ah, nah, just urls between a phone and a tp
Aug 07 02:40:08 <kesne> Veer will support it soon
Aug 07 02:40:12 <twbbas> interesting
Aug 07 02:40:21 <twbbas> kesne: But I mean it doesn't right now
Aug 07 02:40:26 <kesne> NuttyBunny: if you're cool, you can share more.
Aug 07 02:40:30 <kesne> twbbas: Yeah
Aug 07 02:40:40 <twbbas> Hmm, I want to play with that soon
Aug 07 02:40:53 <CTLAdvance> eh who actually uses a veer? ;-)
Aug 07 02:41:02 <twbbas> iCarly
Aug 07 02:41:03 <kesne> CTLAdvance!
Aug 07 02:41:04 <NuttyBunny> kesne: share... ah, yes, you can encode stuff in the url, I know :)
Aug 07 02:41:14 <CTLAdvance> Kesne!
Aug 07 02:41:14 <kesne> I <3 iCarly!
Aug 07 02:41:36 <PatrickC> haha
Aug 07 02:41:36 <twbbas> iCarly is just a wanna-be youtuber
Aug 07 02:41:49 <PatrickC> I get an email every time someone downloads my box.net file :P
Aug 07 02:41:55 <CTLAdvance> Kesne should write an I<3 iCarly song and post his video on youtube
Aug 07 02:41:56 <kesne> NuttyBunny: Have you app use a node service, run the node service on app launch, t2s loads up the http server created by node, you handle it however you want.
Aug 07 02:42:02 <kesne> Haha
Aug 07 02:42:04 <PatrickC> iCarly is awesome
Aug 07 02:42:06 <kesne> I might just have to...
Aug 07 02:42:23 <CTLAdvance> something like I ,# iCarly, I want to get in her pants... er
Aug 07 02:42:23 <dwc-> you say icarly and veer and I have this image of HP's former CEO with a veer
Aug 07 02:42:25 <CTLAdvance> something
Aug 07 02:42:35 <dwc-> but I'm pretty sure that's not the right one
Aug 07 02:42:36 <CTLAdvance> lol dwc
Aug 07 02:42:43 <NuttyBunny> kesne, aaaah! that I didn't see coming! :D  Excellent idea :D
Aug 07 02:42:49 <twbbas> dwc-: LOL
Aug 07 02:42:55 <NuttyBunny> now I just need a Pre3 and a TP to play
Aug 07 02:43:03 <twbbas> or 2 TPs :)
Aug 07 02:43:06 <CTLAdvance> I need a touchpad+
Aug 07 02:43:14 <CTLAdvance> no 3g is killing me
Aug 07 02:43:25 <kesne> NuttyBunny: It's a trick of mine I use in some beta software ;)
Aug 07 02:43:28 <twbbas> I just tether when I need the internetz in public
Aug 07 02:44:23 <twbbas> Remember how the system update required 50% battery charge to install?
Aug 07 02:44:29 <CTLAdvance> I really dont want the hassle of tethering
Aug 07 02:44:33 * twbbas just updated to 3.0.2 and is still at 100%
Aug 07 02:44:43 <kesne> Who here has a touchpad and like to beta test!?
Aug 07 02:44:44 <CTLAdvance> just press the power button and BOOM
Aug 07 02:44:49 <NuttyBunny> now, if we only could enable bluetooth tethering from the TP thru the phones....
Aug 07 02:44:58 <twbbas> NuttyBunny: Yep, currently doesn't work :(
Aug 07 02:45:12 <twbbas> or do you mean like... always tethering
Aug 07 02:45:15 <CTLAdvance> I am interested to see if a patch is made to have the touchpad support SMS from all phones via bluetooth
Aug 07 02:45:23 <CTLAdvance> especially since it works with phone calls
Aug 07 02:45:34 <twbbas> CTLAdvance: I bet once the Pre 3 doctor comes out that someone will make it
Aug 07 02:45:42 <twbbas> assuming Pre 3 has SMS sharing at launch
Aug 07 02:45:53 <CTLAdvance> but its easier then that
Aug 07 02:46:07 <NuttyBunny> twbbas: I (most of us) would like to create a data connection FROM the TP thru the phone via bluetooth, it uses way less battery than Wifi
Aug 07 02:46:16 <CTLAdvance> SMS over bluetooth is a functionality that is standard for bluetooth, similar to ford sync and some high end headsets
Aug 07 02:46:25 <CTLAdvance> I shouldnt say standard
Aug 07 02:46:30 <twbbas> oh really?
Aug 07 02:46:31 <CTLAdvance> but its easily doable
Aug 07 02:46:32 <dwc-> proposed standard?
Aug 07 02:46:36 * twbbas doesn't have a fancy car
Aug 07 02:46:36 <CTLAdvance> Ford Sync does it
Aug 07 02:46:59 <CTLAdvance> neither do I, but my company rented me one to drive to canada with a while ago and it had it, was pretty slick
Aug 07 02:47:13 * PatrickC points to kesne who wants some beta testers
Aug 07 02:47:19 <CTLAdvance> my truck unfortunatly, didnt come with a sync system :/
Aug 07 02:47:26 <dwc-> Message Access Profile (MAP)
Aug 07 02:47:37 <CTLAdvance> though fords really arent that fancy
Aug 07 02:47:52 <CTLAdvance> is that what its called
Aug 07 02:48:01 * CTLAdvance runs to the internet
Aug 07 02:48:33 <CTLAdvance> ah yes
Aug 07 02:48:35 <CTLAdvance> nice
Aug 07 02:48:41 <CTLAdvance> So why not implement this
Aug 07 02:48:45 <CTLAdvance> fully
Aug 07 02:48:52 * flare576 waves
Aug 07 02:49:01 <dwc-> how can it be fully when it's not standardized yet
Aug 07 02:49:38 <dwc-> of course if you implement both sides, you can implement something similar or close but not certifiable
Aug 07 02:49:48 <kesne> Certifiable? Psh
Aug 07 02:49:52 <kesne> Who needs that?
Aug 07 02:50:13 <CTLAdvance> I guess thats true
Aug 07 02:50:15 <dwc-> certainly not 56k modems or rewritable dvds
Aug 07 02:50:25 <dwc-> or 802.11n
Aug 07 02:50:56 <kesne> Goddamnit why does it take so long to do things on the dev portal
Aug 07 02:51:21 <twbbas> like find out your belt color?
Aug 07 02:51:24 * twbbas laughs
Aug 07 02:51:33 <CTLAdvance> was the EA 3.0.2 the same as the released 3.0.2?
Aug 07 02:51:41 <CTLAdvance> sdk
Aug 07 02:51:44 <dwc-> I know what color my belt is :p
Aug 07 02:51:57 <twbbas> dwc-: Just look down
Aug 07 02:51:58 <PatrickC> same here :)
Aug 07 02:52:08 <CTLAdvance> because the palm dev portal sucks
Aug 07 02:52:14 <PatrickC> yes
Aug 07 02:52:23 <PatrickC> GrandmaAdora: fix that. please grandma?
Aug 07 02:52:29 <twbbas_> see you tomorrow
Aug 07 02:52:32 <PatrickC> cya
Aug 07 02:52:47 <CTLAdvance> later
Aug 07 02:53:07 <PatrickC> who wants box.net music streaming?
Aug 07 02:53:11 <PatrickC> PM me if you do :)
Aug 07 02:53:13 <kesne> Not  me!
Aug 07 02:53:15 <kesne> Oh
Aug 07 02:53:18 <kesne> Heh
Aug 07 02:53:22 <PatrickC> lol
Aug 07 02:53:28 <PatrickC> kesne: you already will get it
Aug 07 02:53:30 <CTLAdvance> actually developer.palm.com was down for a short bit
Aug 07 02:53:35 <CTLAdvance> seems to be back up now
Aug 07 02:53:57 <CTLAdvance> anyone here using their box.net account
Aug 07 02:54:06 * PatrickC raises hand
Aug 07 02:54:16 <CTLAdvance> do you like it
Aug 07 02:55:05 <PatrickC> box.net? yes I love it
Aug 07 02:55:19 <PatrickC> I don't have the actual box.net app (no tp yet) but the app I use is awesome
Aug 07 02:57:30 <CTLAdvance> Are you paying for your box.net account
Aug 07 02:57:56 <CTLAdvance> or using the free setup they have now
Aug 07 02:58:35 <PatrickC> free
Aug 07 02:58:44 <PatrickC> and its 5GB for normal accounts
Aug 07 02:58:57 <PatrickC> if you sign in on the touchpad app, you get 50GB
Aug 07 02:59:08 <CTLAdvance> here is a q
Aug 07 02:59:14 <CTLAdvance> whats the interface like for loading files
Aug 07 02:59:20 <CTLAdvance> can you load multiple files?
Aug 07 02:59:24 <CTLAdvance> or a directory
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